March 11, 2025 • 48 mins
Cultural exchange childcare transforms family dynamics while providing flexible, affordable, and enriching care that goes beyond typical nanny arrangements. Anthony and Janoka share their experiences hosting au pairs, explaining how these international caregivers become temporary family members while providing reliable childcare.
• Au pairs are young adults aged 18-26 who provide childcare in exchange for room, board, and a cultural exchange experience
• Cost is approximately $196/week plus program fees, significantly less than traditional nannies who charge $22-32/hour in Dallas
• Flexibility of live-in childcare allows children to attend activities during weekdays rather than being in daycare settings
• Cultural exchange aspect creates opportunities for language immersion - specifically Spanish for their children
• Finding the right match requires extensive interviewing, clear communication of house rules, and personality compatibility
• Living with your childcare provider creates unique dynamics that require strong communication and feedback skills
• Program regulations include maximum 45 work hours per week, educational requirements, and specific benefits
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We had a stranger living in our house and we'll
have another one in two weeksliving in our house, and then we
have another one coming to livein our house for in the next
two weeks, for a year.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right, guys, what's going on?
Welcome to another episode ofthe More Than A Side Hustle
podcast, where we helpnon-to-fibers create more impact
, income and influence outsidetheir jobs.
If you don't know, my name isAnthony.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And I'm Janoka, and we are the CEOs of Cleaning
Business University.
We own a cleaning business downhere in Dallas for the past
seven and a half years and we'rehusband and wife as well.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
All right, let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Jumping in Now.
My legs are on fire.
I'm thinking about that.
I've lifted heavy in the gym,Sorry, Well welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I know that it's been a challenge, but you're back in
the gym now.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Back in the gym consistently for the past seven
weeks, doing at least five daysa week.
So I think I'm here, I'vearrived.
This is your arrival season.
Yes, that's good.
I will continue to go that hard.
Usually before I was doing five, six days a week, so that's
kind of my norm anyway.
But just to get back into itafter having baby number two was
(01:18):
not so easy, but I made thisone a little bit more difficult.
I really don't know, but I knowwhat made me say I I gotta get
to it.
I saw myself in the mirror.
I'm like baby okay.
Gotta get it together.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
What didn't you like?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
My back and my stomach.
I started having rolls and Inever had rolls before.
Nothing against people that dohave rolls, but for me
specifically that's notsomething that I am used to.
So that was alarming to haveback rolls.
And then my stomach has beenbig before, but I just don't
like the way it looks.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Gotta give yourself some grace.
Just had a kid.
I mean, it's been 7 months now.
How long is too long to getback to it?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Every time I told somebody that they're like, oh,
you just had a baby.
I'm like it's been 6 months,listen, and for some people it
takes a lot longer time.
If you have a c-section,there's so many other things
that play into it.
But I knew I was just beinglazy.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Like you have to be real with yourself and
personally, I knew I was justbeing lazy and not doing what I
had to do take a look in themirror and then I'm back in the
gym now, really back in it,after having surgery in october,
yes, and now we're in march, soI'm really back in the gym now.
So that's exciting.
Yeah, you know we've both beenin the fitness game for quite
(02:29):
some time, so being back in thegym five, six days a week feels
absolutely amazing.
But I got to remember I got totake it slowly Because after
having that surgery, I had thesame surgery twice and after I
had the surgery the first time,they tell you to take it slow,
You're like, oh no, I'm good,I'm feeling right.
Right now I'm feeling right.
So this is the time when mostpeople go, and me included.
I went and I started lifting,doing lifts that I shouldn't
(02:51):
have been doing, instead of metaking it slow.
So this time I'm going to takeit slow, ease back into it.
I'm doing a lot of microexercises.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You're older now too, so you have to be mindful.
No, it's nothing to do with age.
I don't believe that you gottaslow down because you're getting
older.
I absolutely don't believe thatit depends on the activity, but
sure, I literally just saw a 70year old man.
He worked up to it, though, buthe worked up to it probably he
ran a sprint with collegeplayers how many 70 year old men
are doing that, though he's theexception.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He's not the norm, he's not the rule.
He's the exception to the rule.
Why not just make that the mate, not just make that the norm?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
okay 70 year old man being able to sprint.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
When you really think about it, you go.
I think I can't even sprint.
I think the quote said I don'tremember what the numbers were,
but they said most people overthe age of 30 35 don't even jump
.
Think about the last time youactually were like why am I
jumping.
So let's remove the people whodo CrossFit and just do normal
workouts, right Jumping Jacksonjumping rope.
No, what's about like jumping?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
How high?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Just jumping.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So jumping Jackson, jumping rope, that's how many
times you've done that.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
No, let's say you're trying to jump over something.
When's the last time you'vedone that?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Playing with your daughter, I did Tic-tac.
Actually, I did tic-tactoe-womb the other day, a week
ago.
What?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
does that?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
mean, you know you draw it on the floor.
No, Not scotch.
That's the way it was before.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Let's talk about all right, let's take the trash can
right here.
When was the last time youjumped over something like that,
but why would I?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Actually I did jump.
I was doing Jumping on theboxes.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I said, outside the gym, outside of people who do
those.
That's the thing.
When you start to have A normal, a quote unquote Sedentary life
, you don't do those Type ofthings.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You don't jump.
Why would you need to, though?
Why would you average?
You just need to be jumping.
Why not?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Like this is part Of your movement, this is part of
your movement, this is part ofyour body.
Most people don't do a full-outsprint and most people don't
jump once they get past acertain age and you're like why
don't you do it?
It's like why not?
Just to test out your limits inyour body.
So now, okay when you do needto do it or you do need to
sprint.
Most of the time you play fromthe zombies.
You, you do a full-on sprint andthe next thing you know you got
a hamstring.
(04:59):
Most of the time we got thatwhen we went to our.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
When I had my bachelor party, we did a race I
want to say it's only whenpeople are trying to measure or
you, you, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And then somebody got hurt.
You get, you get pull ahamstring or something, because
you're doing a sprint that youdidn't normally do.
That's hilarious.
That was a little turn, butwe're talking about today, but
that is hilarious.
We're gonna be told you want toget to the convo?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
yeah today we are going to be talking about an
all-peer and you may be likewhat the hell is that?
And we're going to explainfurther about that, like what it
is and how we got into it andthings like that.
But we're going to be talkingabout having all-peer, which
essentially we had a strangerliving in our house and we'll
have another one in two weeksliving in our house, and then we
(05:43):
have another one coming to livein our house for in the next
two weeks, for a year.
So I'm going to read like theactual definition so that you're
aware of what it is.
So an au pair is a youngforeign person, typically a
woman, who helps with houseworkor childcare in exchange for
room and board and a cultureexchange program Typically a
woman, but they do have men thatdo it as well, and in this
(06:06):
instance it's really forchildcare.
It's not necessarily forhousework.
That's not the capacity that weuse it in, usually for
childcare.
If you didn't, if you haven'tlistened to us before, we did
have a nanny with Alani for twoyears and then she entered into
school and we knew, when we hadour second baby, we will
continue to need help and wedecided to go the route of
getting our all-pair.
(06:26):
Anything you want to add tothat.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So we did it with a program.
We didn't just I mean, thereare under the table ways and
Facebook and stuff that you canfind someone and essentially you
could just find a living nanny,if that's the way you want to
go as well.
But Anthony had a few friendsthat actually used the program
(06:51):
over and over a few times.
They recommended it I think youhad first brought it up when we
were first having our firstchild and I was like, ah,
because they do, they live inthe home with you.
I don't think I said that part,but they oh, room and board,
they live with you.
And I was like I don't think Iwant anybody kind of living in
my house, which I found to beshocking anyway, because you're
kind of less of a people personthan I am.
So I was shocked that you evenwanted somebody living in your
(07:12):
house.
But then we became open to itas we spoke further you know
more to your friends of like thepros, the cons and things like
that and we became open to itand we started the search I want
to say early last year, 2024.
And we had someone come inAugust you know Amaya was about
a month old and then they stayedwith us until about
(07:35):
Thanksgiving, so about closethree to four months they were
with us.
But that one didn't work out.
So we'll continue to speak moreabout just the program.
The benefits why it didn't workout, cost, that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So and the reason we have, what reason we're doing
this discussion, is because alot of people we I don't know a
lot of people.
I didn't know what an all-payerwas.
I'm not gonna say a lot ofpeople, but I didn't know what
an all-payer was, what they did,and normally when I bring it up
in conversation it's the samereaction like what's an au pair?
I heard about this, maybe Idon't know anybody who's done it
, and I want to continue toshare the things where we want
(08:10):
to continue to share the thingswe're learning as we go
throughout the journey so thatwhen it comes up, you know that
this is an option for you.
Yeah, I didn't know that thisis an option for us when, when I
first heard about it andlearned, started learning more
about it and our first kid, umalani, we didn't.
We chose not to go that route.
Now, why did we choose to gothat route the second time
(08:31):
around versus the first timearound?
Because alani had a nanny fortwo years, so why did we choose
to all pair this second timearound?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think you had one.
You had more conversations withyour friends, so we got a
better understanding of what itwas yeah two were like it's
gonna be hella expensive.
It's not, it's no longer one kidand now it's two kids.
And the way that this programworks, they don't charge you
based on how many kids that youhave, which generally nannies do
rightfully so, um, they chargeyou based on how many kids that
(08:58):
you have, and the cost wouldhave been way higher.
So we're like, okay, this is abit more cost effective and the
culture exchange we were makingsure, or we made sure that
whoever we brought on spokeSpanish, which is very important
for us.
As you know, I don't speakSpanish, but all my family does.
Alana is in a Spanish immersionclassroom, so she gets it there
(09:19):
, and we want to make sure thatshe can get it at home as well,
and so that was another part ofit.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So let me ask you this I want to talk about
pricing a little bit Between afull-time nanny and someone
that's doing an all-payerprogram.
So, what's a typical range forsomeone looking for a nanny?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So states matter.
Where you live matters.
I think the average in Dallasis about $22, $23 an hour that a
nanny will get paid.
What I've seen just inconversation because I speak to
many people just when we'relooking for babysitters and
stuff like that People arereally ranging between maybe
like $22 all the way up to like$32.
(10:03):
I've seen $22 to like $32.
I've seen $22 to like $32.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I've seen, depending on experience, per hour Per hour
For a nanny, for a nanny.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, it really depends on their experience.
It depends on how many kids youhave.
For people it also depends on,like, what you want them to do.
Some people include is it justnannying?
Is it housework as well?
It just depends.
Depends, so it can vary so we'retalking about like a thousand
almost a thousand dollars a weekfor a full-time nanny yes, if
you're having a full-time nanny,and so and we do understand
(10:34):
that nannying is, or having ananny is, more of a privilege um
, because it is essentiallycheaper to send your child to a
daycare or home setting or justeven a public daycare.
It is cheaper, uh, but it's justnot something that we wanted to
do at the beginning for ourchildren.
I prefer to just have them home, I, just because of the lives
that we live and the flexibilitythat we have.
(10:55):
I don't feel like theynecessarily needed to be in a,
uh, daycare setting because, youknow, especially when they're
young, they're essentiallywatching them, um, which I feel
like they can do here and getone-on-one interaction, and they
can go to swimming andgymnastics and do all these
other things during the week,versus just being in a, in a
classroom setting, if you willyeah so and that's a big, that's
(11:17):
a big privilege that we, we Idon't want to say we didn't
think about, but I was reallyupset when we were somehow
sending Alani to not Alani,alani to daycare, because really
, daycare is just babysittingyour kid and I'm like she's not
learning anything.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
She's only thing she's doing is just playing with
kids every single day.
But she's learning, alright,she's learning.
But do you think she's learningmore at school with 18 kids in
the classroom, or is shelearning more one on one with a
nanny?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I classroom or is she learning?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
more one-on-one with oh yeah, a nanny.
I would say she's learning morewith a nanny.
And I know the reason why.
Right, you got it.
And if you think about what allthese things were created for,
it's because people go to work.
Yeah, like the school systemwas created so that parents
could go to work.
Like we're gonna keep your kidshere for eight hours.
Do you think your two-year-oldkid needs to be in a classroom
for eight hours to learn?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, they're not learning for eight hours.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's what I'm saying At least in the setting
that she's in.
That's what I'm saying.
So, like all of these systems,I don't want to seem like a
conspiracy theorist.
You could do your own researchon this.
But the more like we have to getunprogrammed for all of this is
it's literally programmed sothat you have to unlearn some of
this stuff and you, when youunlearn it, you can't unsee it.
(12:27):
Yeah, you're like well, schoolsystem was created because
people need to go to work.
And now you're like all right,I'm sending my one-year-old or
six-month-old to school foreight hours in a day because I
have to go to work.
Yeah, that's uh and, like allthese systems were created so
that's where I was at work.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That was baby.
That was that's where I was at.
That's where you go to work.
I was a baby.
That's where I was atbabysitters and daycares, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So when we realized that Alani was going to start
going to school, it was like ohman.
And every morning she was like,oh, I got to go to school, I
got to go to this, and it's justlike heartbreaking, every
single day, oh, my, entered intothe school system, if you will.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Daycare Last year has been a year already and then.
So then we had an all-peer andwe like we said we had someone
here.
That didn't work out, I thinkthere was.
(13:16):
The funny thing is we kind ofknew at the beginning that maybe
it wouldn't work out, but wereally tried.
We're like let's give theperson an opportunity.
We don't want to just cut youoff things like that.
We tried to make it work, um,and they're, and they were fine
with the kids, nothing againstthem with the kids.
It's just it's a huge deal.
It's a huge thing that you'rebringing on um, and I'll walk
through the process of what it'slike to pick someone.
(13:38):
But you really can't really geta sense of somebody until they
come here, right, and I youalways say it's one thing to
know somebody's, another thingto live with somebody, right,
it's a whole different ball game.
Like even if you live with yourfriends, who knows if you will
still be friends it's a wholedifferent ball game and I live
with some of my best friends ofliving in the house with someone
and then think about you'relike working where you live and
(14:01):
living where you work.
so that's even more difficult,for so it's a lot of dynamics
that kind of go into it thateither you don't think about or
just comes with, comes with theprocess.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So yeah, those are no .
Some of those things were iswhen you bring some, when you
hire anybody in any sort ofbusiness, that you have
everybody's going to interview.
Well, everyone's going to lookgood on paper.
Well, what happens when theyhave that first day?
What happens when things don'tgo their way?
What's their reactions?
How do they turn around?
What's the?
What's the emotions they'reshowing?
All these things go into anysort of job when you're hiring
(14:35):
people.
So when you think about thatand you're applying that to
someone living with you, thereis no, you can't walk away at
the end of the day because youlive where you work.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You just got to close the door.
They don't hear you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Depending on your house structure.
So you got to think about that.
You can't really just walk awayfrom your job.
When you leave your 9 to 5 andyou leave that office, you close
that door, you're gone for theday until you go back the next
day.
But in this situation you havethe person living with you, so
there's dynamics that go to playon both parts.
Let's say the person didn'thave a good day and you can't
show your emotions becausethey're they didn't have a good
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day.
You didn't have a good day andnow you're in a house all pissed
off at each other.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So, and then lastly, before the nanny thing, like to
show the difference between thenanny and all up here.
They both take care of the kids, right, but the difference is
the nanny is they're paid acertain amount and all peer is
an integrated family member.
They become like a temporaryfamily member.
So, yes, they're taking care ofthe kids, but they also are
part of the family.
So the expectation is that theywill cook, they will take out
(15:35):
the garbage, they will havedinner with you.
You may go on vacationstogether.
I mean, it's not things you haveto do, but it is someone
becoming part of the family.
And that's another thing.
If you're like I don't want toadd nobody to my family, or I
don't want to do that, and thisprogram probably isn't for you,
and so that that's all part ofthe process.
But I do want to talk about,like, the steps, because you're
(15:56):
probably like, well, how do youeven get one?
How do you even find out?
So they have multiple programsout there.
We use the same one that histwo friends use because you know
they, they recommended it, andso that's the route that we went
.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Do you want to say the name, or you kind of hot in
it or what?
I'm not hiding it.
Alright, if we decide to saythe name, it'll be in the show
notes, if she decides it'sreally up to her.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I'm hiding it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
She's not saying the name for a reason, so she's
trying to get sponsored.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'm not going to get sponsored from this.
One thing you never know.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I'm always thinking about that this is true, but
anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So the first step is one make a decision together
that you hold on.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
There's a few programs that you could go to as
well, so it's not just this oneprogram that we're talking
about here.
All of them essentially do thesame thing, so the only reason
we're doing this one inparticular is because they had
good recommendations from ourfriends you just repeat exactly
what I said.
I said that before, alrightwell, I'm like maybe I had to
reiterate it because we'll talkabout, maybe we'll give a few
(16:57):
inside the show notes that we'reaware of.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You gotta remember that yeah very strong um, so the
first thing is, I guess,agreeing and understanding.
So you do have to.
One thing is they have to havetheir own room.
They don't have to have theirown bathroom, but they do have
to have their own room.
That's definitely important,and a room is considered
something with a window.
I know sometimes, depending onwhere you live, it's like a
(17:20):
makeshift room has to have awindow and you actually get
someone that's kind of like a Iwould say like a case manager,
if you will.
That's assigned to you, and theycome, they interview you as a
family.
They also want to see thechildren.
They also look at the home tomake sure, like, like, whatever
you're saying is true.
They also want to check justwith the kids.
(17:41):
They said sometimes people, ifyou will hide their kids'
disabilities because they feellike it may be hard to find
someone.
So they're just checkingeverything to make sure that
everything that you're saying istrue.
On both sides they do this, soit's really a safe program as
well.
That's why I say going througha program is a little different
from just like finding someoneindependently, um, and I think
(18:03):
that's with anything that kindof reminds me of the cleaning
business, right, so like youcould go with the company or you
could go with a one person bythemselves and just kind of hope
for the best, essentially andit's funny, we actually met
somebody in the nanny space thatdoes exactly what we do in the
cleaning business space too.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
They're like I have a nanny agency and people want a
nanny and I find them, I vetthem and we give them jobs.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yep, and so the steps to getting our appeal you sign
up with the program and theyhave a fee.
Some of them have anapplication fee.
I think the one that we workedwith the application fee was
like waived, but I think itwould have been about like $400
to just get started, put yourapplication on there and get the
process rolling.
Something else is that isimportant is that they provide a
lot of training, so theyprovide a lot of webinars and
(18:48):
meetings that kind of go throughdifferent topics, like your RPR
driving in the USA, what thatlooks like, what do you need to
do?
Or the first days that your RPRarrives, what do you do before
they get here?
All these things.
They have multiple differenttopics and webinars that you can
join before the person evencomes or that they.
I don't remember if it wasmandatory, I think they
(19:09):
suggested, suggested.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Suggested that you sign up for.
And we went to a few of themand a lot of them were
informative.
You just you know if you got aquestion, because you're gonna
have questions as these thingscome up, right, and you're not
gonna know everything, but thegoal is just to have as much
information as possible in casesomething comes up to be able
and you could get an all-pairfrom, I think, almost anywhere
in the world, right yeah, Idon't think it could be for
anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Um, yeah, I don't think there's a limitation.
Yeah, I've seen many differentcountries.
I mean, we have filtered ourcountries to spanish speaking
but I've seen many differentcountries yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So if you got any preference, like we know west
indian families, they're gonnatake care of the family, they're
gonna cook, you know if that'syour preference they're gonna
make that happen, so I just yeahand I've seen parents talk
about like they only look ateuropeans because they drive
really well.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So it just depends on , like I guess, what you're
looking for language, justdifferent things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah so that kind of helps you filter out.
You know the type of personyou're looking for.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, so you sign up with the program.
They may have a fee.
You fill out an applicationabout yourself.
Now, this application is prettyextensive, so you're not you
got to think about it as like,if you will like yourself, if
(20:23):
somebody looks at your profile,you know, do you have enough
information on there for them tomake a decision that they want
to live with, conversation, havea conversation with you, take
care of your kids, be a part ofyour family, right?
So, um, you talk about whatyou're looking for.
You add pictures of, like, yourstate, your area, the house, uh,
the room that they may bestaying in, um your family, and
maybe like a tentative schedule.
That's important because somepeople say like they don't want
to work weekend.
Some people prefer a splitschedule.
(20:44):
It just depends.
So you just put a tentativeschedule there.
It can always change.
You may be like, I don't know,it can always change Like.
We were upfront about that whenwe were looking.
I was currently, I was stillpregnant.
So we're like, as the newborncomes, that will change.
Um, timing will change allthese things.
So you gotta that's part ofyour application that you fill
(21:06):
out.
Um, and, as I said, they havethese available seminars for you
to attend um.
How to interview like?
What questions do you ask?
How many interviews should youhave um can?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
we pause there for a second about the interview
process, because we, if you guysknow, we obviously have if you
listen to this podcast, you knowabout our life a little bit or
maybe a lot, and you know wehave businesses.
So when we're going to thisprocess, we are thinking about
this the same way we think aboutbusiness.
So the application, this is alla funnel.
So if you think about a funnel,it's a upside down triangle.
The first one is awareness.
(21:36):
The second one, you know, youkind of go down to.
You actually have somebody.
So when we're going throughthis interview process, like you
just did an interview withsomebody, we were talking about
that and they didn't have theenergy.
So we're coming to thesemeetings with these people who
are going to be living with usand our goal is not to to not
necessarily find the best person, but to see if you vibe check,
(21:58):
yeah.
So you want to give the personyou know, you want to let them
know who you are, what you dothe energy.
So we're coming on there likenot overly, I want to say you
want to give a little bit moreenergy than you normally would
in a daily basis because youwant them to feel you know who
you are and what you're aboutPersonality and personality.
So you got to be a little bitmore boastful and more energized
so this person can feel exactly, you know what you're talking
(22:21):
about.
Oh yeah, you know what theytalked about was this and this,
and it also stands out in yourmind because some of them may be
interviewing with dozens ofother families.
It's a big decision, yeah, andwe're asking them you know how
many families are youinterviewing with?
And we're also letting themknow that it's okay to interview
with multiple families.
I want you to we want you to wewant you to understand what's
going on, what's out there.
(22:41):
We understand you'reinterviewing, we're interviewing
.
It's a two-way street.
You want to find the rightfamily for you, we want to find
the right all-payer for ourfamily.
So that interview process, wetook it very seriously and we
literally same process we do forour cleaning business same
process we did for our nannysame process we do for
everything else.
We did it throughout this sameprocess we do at our nine to
five jobs.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It's a lot of skills that we have in our nine to five
jobs that are transferable tothese, these personal lives, to
our business lives, and we didthat so our interview process
was pretty extensive, and we hadmore than one interview too
yeah, and so you start to like,you get those seminars about
that and once your profile iscomplete, like, you have to
complete your profile before youcan even start seeing the all
peers or the options that areout there.
(23:21):
So once that's complete, um,you can start seeing their
profile, and their profileconsists of pictures of them as
well a video of them talking.
This helps you to just get anidea of like how their english
is.
If you're not picking someonethat speaks English fluently,
(23:45):
you also get their background oftheir experience.
You also they have referencesin there.
They also do like a personalitytest.
They put their level of driving, how often they drive, just a
range of different things thatyou would need to make a
decision on.
If I even want to speak to thisperson, all of that information
is in their profile and theycan't reach out to anybody.
Only it's called host.
You're called a host family.
(24:06):
Um, only host families canreach out to our peers.
So they just kind of have toput their profile up there, hope
that somebody wants to talk tothem, and then you have to reach
out to them.
Um, they also have a video ofsaying why they want to do it.
Um, experience hobbies just ablurb of them, their excitement.
So we would see people talk andI'm like their energy doesn't
(24:30):
feel like this.
Or you'll see some that arevery edited, cap cut, edited.
I'm like where they put sometime and energy I like those, I
was like yo, they might know,social media.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
We could, we could work something out.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I've seen people on there and it's funny because, um
, their careers can range right.
So some, a lot, almost all ofthem, all of them have
experience with children.
But I've seen people on therethat were lawyers, um,
accountants, engineers.
Their career changes becauseonce again, yes, they're taking
care of kids, but it also is anopportunity for them to come to
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America to have a whole cultureexperience.
So sometimes it's just a quickbreak for them.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And one of my bros that went through the program.
His au pair was actuallygetting her master's or
something like that in math andhis sons were actually going
through an advanced math program.
So he's been in the program.
He's been in this all-pairprogram for nine years or
something like that, so he'sbeen able to get different types
(25:28):
of all-pairs for where hisfamily is.
That's another thing you got tothink about too.
We got little kids, we gotbabies, but as you grow you
might need somebody who has lessexperience with young kids and
more experience with others.
So, he's like this is a perfecttiming for me to have an au pair
who's getting their master's inmath, because my kid is trying
to go to a specialized programin math.
And he's like that worked outamazing because now they're able
to get a pretty much a tutorinside the home for this program
(25:51):
that he's trying to get hiskids through.
Age ranges for au pairs.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You didn't talk about that, did you?
I didn't because I have like asection of just facts but I will
talk about because we'retalking about different to my
masters and phds and to mybabysitters and nannies, and no,
because I'm talking about thesteps right now.
Okay but, oh yeah, go ahead.
So let's keep it.
Let's keep it there, and then Iand then I'll talk about that
after um.
So, once your profile iscomplete, you then start to look
at profiles, you start to matchwith, you reach out to them and
(26:16):
you kind of just send a messageasking hey, you know, would you
like to have a conversation?
Or hey, I think that you wouldbe a good fit for our family,
based on your profile, and theycan make a decision on if they
decide to respond or not.
And the way that they make thatdecision obviously is looking
at your profile.
Now, now that you've reachedout to them, they can now see
your profile and they will sayyay or nay.
(26:39):
And then you go from there, youhave a conversation.
You can have a conversationdirectly in the app or a lot of
times we have a conversation viaWhatsApp.
The program recommends doing atleast three of them before you
make a decision, and that'sexactly what we did.
We did three differentconversations, three different
interviews before making thisdecision.
But once again, you kind ofhave to just, I mean like trust
(27:03):
God and let go.
I don't know what to saybecause it's it's hard to know
someone completely based off ofthose conversations.
But you feel like you are.
You hope you're asking theright questions.
You know those types of thingswhich, like I said, the program
provides you with that, so youdon't have to think of it on
your own.
You can always Google or chatGPT as well, but those are the
(27:23):
things.
You start to interview them.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
We chat.
We did chat GPT for our entirebio too.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
We put some of that in when we had to redo some of
it.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We put some fun facts about us the family, the kids,
the girls, where we live and itwas like give us a profile.
We're filling out anapplication for all pairs.
Fill out a profile that makesus more interesting and then
also use the guidelines thatthey gave us.
And they gave us a pretty goodoutline with emojis and fun
facts, and this ended Thursday.
Oh, this is pretty interesting,so we use most of that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And then, in that process, you also share a house
manual with them.
Now, this varies per family.
Not every family provides thatyou may be like.
What the hell is a house manual?
The rules of your house, therules of engagement?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
how do you function in the household and the?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
household that is.
It's a lot to think about.
To be honest with you, likewhat are the rules that you have
in place?
Because it's a lot to thinkabout things that you're like
I've never written it downbecause you know it's a lot to
think about things that you'relike I've never written it down
because you know it was just youand your spouse or whoever like
you just say it, I don't got totell nobody yet.
But some things like do youhave a curfew?
Like does somebody the personneeds to be in the house at a
(28:27):
certain time, maybe if they'reworking the next day, or if
they're not working?
Do you care Driving rules?
Are you going to have a car forthem to use or are they sharing
the car that you use?
If they do, how many miles canthey drive?
Can they leave the city?
Can they spend a night out withthe car?
These are some things that wehave to think about.
Can they, you know, eat in theroom?
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Can they smoke?
Can they drink?
Can they have a guest over?
If they have a guest, if it's afemale, can they bring a female
over?
Are no males allowed?
Can somebody pick them up fromyour house?
Does it have to be down theblock.
I know you're probably like huh, huh, huh, but you kind of have
to just be specific.
This is a new family member, ifyou will joining, and they have
(29:10):
no idea.
You have to set the rules andset the tone.
Your schedule for the kids,extracurriculum activities, what
is the expectation around thatcommunication?
Your values, responsibilities,rules, while taking care of the
kids?
You're like, yeah, everybodyknows you don't leave the kids
in the car by themselves.
(29:30):
But yeah, you know, maybeyou're just, you know you're
putting that down.
You're communicating,especially in a hot.
You know Texas gets 105 degrees.
Don't ever dare leaving our kidin the car.
You know those type of thingsthat you may.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You can't even leave a dog in a car in Texas without
somebody breaking your window.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I think that's everywhere, but yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't think anybody gonna break your window in New
York.
That's very true.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Not for no pit bull anyway.
Oh yeah, um, homework,financial responsibilities, if
there's any perks that you'reproviding.
Perks could be one that you,they can utilize, the car not
every family has that, you know.
Um, a perk can be that you'reallowing cable in their room.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You're going to pay for cable or you may pay to pay
towards their phone bill um, oneperk was we went to disney
world and if we would have hadour au pair still living with us
, she would have came, she wouldhave got a trip to disney world
you know people who?
Haven't been to disney world intheir entire lives.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, and she was here for three, four months and
would have been on.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
She missed out.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You missed out on a good thing girl yeah, um, so
sometimes people offer kind ofperks as well, and all of that
is mentioned Little bonuses,little raises, if there's
bonuses, if there's raises, andI'll talk about the cost that
they get as well.
But all of that is mentioned inyour house manual, which you go
over with the person duringthese three interviews, because
(30:53):
that helps them to make adecision on eh, you're a little
too strict, I don't really wantto kind of follow your rules, or
this is too much for me, orwhatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And we found that to be the case with a few people
when we started giving out wewere giving out house rules and
our house rules are rules.
It's not rules to be broken,but it's rules to govern the
general consensus of the house.
So it's a pretty thick manualand we were giving this out
because that was the advice,like give it out before they
come so that people can know.
But then we realized that mostfamilies weren't doing that.
(31:28):
So the hardsugs were being toostrict and we had to tell people
.
We had to preface theconversation by letting them
know hey, these are just somegeneral rules so that you
understand how we work, how wefunction.
Some expectations this isn't anend-all be-all.
You have to take our kid toschool at 7.30, right, they have
to be home at 4.
It was like school starts at 7,pick up at 4.
(31:50):
Like, these are the things thatwe're talking about, so we had
to adjust it.
We made a shorter version of it, we took out some of the rules
and regulations and we had moreof a dialogue around it, because
if you've never met us and thefirst thing you get is a, you
got a 11 page manual.
You're like this ain't for me.
So we did lose a few peoplethroughout that process.
Um, so we did understand theinterview process.
(32:11):
It's the same across the boardbefore you start a job and
they're talking about the dudes,and don't you like yo?
We haven't even started datingyet.
So we realized that we had tohave more of an upfront dialogue
.
Hey, we got some rules andregulations.
We could kind of talk about iton the phone and then we'll send
you the document, just becauseit's written out.
So we had to make someadjustments throughout that
process, but our document washeavy at first yeah, definitely
(32:33):
yeah, and us it's also.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I would tell people.
If there's something there thatyou saw that you had a question
about or don't agree with, askus or let us know.
Maybe there's something that wecan change.
I'm open to it.
It's not like this.
Is it the end?
All be all?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
like he said, but the good thing is that your hiring
process weeds people out.
This is what you want, nomatter what business, no matter
if it's family, personal, nineto five, you want your hiring
process that we people out.
So when we're giving it out topeople and like, yeah, it's not
for me, it's like, well, it'sfine at the end of the day,
because you may not have a goodfit.
You may not have been a goodfit because you weren't able to
communicate the way you felt.
(33:08):
Right, it was something thatyou versus like, yeah, we might
not be a good fit because weprobably was a good fit.
You probably saw something youdidn't like and said, you know
what?
It's not for me.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
And I think in the during the interviewing process,
it's also important, you see,like personality as well.
Like we are verystraightforward people, so it's
someone that is very timid.
It's alarming because I feellike you may not be able to.
You may take me beingstraightforward as me being mean
or me being disrespectful orsomething like that.
(33:41):
So those are also things thatwe look for as well.
Like, do we feel like thisperson can mesh with our
personality?
Now, we're not nasty people,but we are really
straightforward.
For some it's too much andthat's okay.
We're not for everyone, and sohaving that understanding is
things that we're looking for aswell when we're interviewing,
because I'm not gonna beuncomfortable in my own house,
(34:04):
so we need to make sure that theperson, that we feel like the
person, makes sense for us asmuch as we can right um, because
you don't know until they gethere and the quote is it's okay
to be kind but not nice.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
When you're giving criticism, you're giving
feedback kind of, but not nice.
So that means that I'm notgoing to disrespect you, I'm not
going to be um nasty, I'm notgoing to call you out your name,
but what I say may not be nice.
And if you can understand thedifference between kind but not
nice, then you're able to acceptcriticism.
So if I'm like, hey, you know,here's me being, here's me being
(34:38):
here's me being kind, it's like, yeah, you know you relate, but
here's me being not nice.
Yeah, you're always late, youralarm never gets you up Like
that's not nice.
So I'm giving you, I'm beingkind of, like nice means that
you're always late, you need anew phone, you need a new alarm,
(34:59):
you need to set new routines,no, so if you could accept that
criticism I'm being okay withsomeone being kind to you, but
not nice then you're a good fitfor us so once you match with
the person so you have theseinterviews you both say like
okay, we agree, you like you,you like me, let's go ahead and
get this rolling.
Make a family, become a family.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
You basically continue the process where you
pay, you have to pay the companya fee, they book their flights.
You stay in communication withthis person.
So the first time that we didthis, we made a decision, we
were in Mexico, so we made adecision in May and she came in
August.
And the second time that wejust did this, we made a
decision in January and she'scoming in March.
So things are different,schedule is different, amaya is
(35:44):
older.
There's so many different thingswe've learned from the first
time as well.
Just some things that likemaybe we wouldn't have waited as
long for.
I think we were like, okay, wewill make a decision quicker
next time, and just differentthings we've.
I would say that's the mainthing that we've learned and how
we communicate.
That type of stuff is reallyimportant for us.
(36:06):
Like what we are looking forwhen the person is living with
us is really communication.
Of course, taking care of thekids I had mentioned, like we
look for the vibe check, becausenot that kids aren't hard, but
there's many things that you canlearn pretty easily.
Alani's in school most of theday.
Amaya is barely, she's justhere.
You know what I mean.
She's existing, she's existing.
(36:27):
There's not much happening andI could train you.
I could tell you the thingsthat I want you to do with them,
if it's letters or that type ofstuff, but like, really, how do
you mesh with the family?
So I'm excited to see we're onthe second person that's coming
in a few weeks.
So I'm really excited to seewhat that turns out to be.
I hope my enthusiasm is thesame if there's another podcast.
(36:48):
But I'm excited to see what thatperson would be like.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And it's just like the cleaning business when it
comes to hiring people, likeeveryone, everyone's like, oh, I
clean, like that's totally fine, right, but how are you when it
comes to showing up?
How are you doing about?
What?
About the intangible thingsthat you can't teach?
I can teach you how to takecare of our kids, we can teach
you how to clean Anybody canteach you how to clean but how
are you with those intangiblethings?
I mean, I can say moreimportant taking care of the
(37:13):
kids.
But if you aren't, if youaren't a great communicator or
you aren't great at gettingfeedback or understanding or
learning, then it probably won'twork.
It probably won't work.
So you don't always wantsomebody that's going to be the
best person at the task.
You want somebody that's an allaround, you know, knowledgeable
, understanding person that iswilling to accept feedback and
criticism, to learn, grow andexpand what they've been doing.
(37:34):
Learn, grow and expand whatthey've been doing.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
And before I get to some of the facts of like
working with the program, I didwant to speak on one thing that
they mentioned when you're justlistening to webinars.
But there's also thingscultural differences that we
don't think about.
That you have to show people.
So, like, pumping gas issomething and the road, the, you
know the driving rules.
So, yeah, stop is stopeverywhere, but if you have a
roundabout, what does yield mean?
(38:00):
What is the highway?
A lot of them they drive, theydon't do miles, they do
kilograms.
Is it Kilometers Kilometers?
Sorry, not kilograms kilometers.
So like that translation forthem, walking the supermarket
the first few days, this is justlike going to the supermarket
for them, like that's a wholedifferent experience.
A lot of american food isprocessed right.
They're used to whole food,maybe just cutting the chicken
(38:22):
and kind of getting the pieces,cleaning it and going, so some
little things that you keep inmind.
It's a cultural experience.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
So things like that you have to kind of show them,
educate them on, let them knowabout, um, you know, maybe the
car seat, those type of thingsyou do have to teach them so
think about you going to livesomewhere else that you've never
been before and you having tolearn exactly their language,
what they do, how they walk, howthey dress not, maybe not
(38:49):
walking dress.
Yeah, actually, walking andwalking might be different over
there too, you might.
All right, texas, we don't walkanywhere.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah in new york you would.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
In new york you would walk.
So yeah, those are the type ofthings that you don't even think
and we were going through like,oh yeah, we didn't think that
oh yeah this yeah, like thesupermarket.
I didn't think about thesupermarket till she came back
and we walked every single aisle.
We walked every single aisle.
Show you know where things areshe's like oh, wow, okay but
it's a cultural exchange program.
you know, to say the least.
(39:18):
Imagine you going to live inColumbia for a year, a year, and
that's what you're doing.
Another thing you didn't thinkabout, that we didn't think
about right now, wheregovernments are, there's
embassies and places that areclosing because they're like,
well, we're not giving out visas, and stuff like that.
So, depending on when youdecide to get into a program
(39:38):
like this, you don't know whatthe rules and regulations may be
, and this is something that wehad to learn because they were
talking about it in, like youknow, facebook groups and stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
yeah, so that's the process of getting the all peer.
That's kind of the pros andcons of it.
But I do want to talk aboutsome facts like that's just like
okay, what about this, whatabout this that you may have and
I'm gonna answer this for youso they do get paid, um out your
pocket yeah, they get paid.
You have so the program.
There's a program fee.
Right, the program fee, I wouldsay range.
(40:05):
I think it was about like tenthousand dollars for the year.
You have to pay the program.
You can do a payment plan withthem or you can just pay
outright and even with thepayment plan.
It didn't make it more money,just kind of stretched out how
much you're paying them and thenyou have to pay the all-peer
195.75 a week as a stipend.
Um, that's your stipend.
(40:25):
Um, you may be like, oh, that'spretty low.
Well, they are getting room andboard, um, so you also your
grocery expenses are probablygonna.
Grocery expenses probably gonnago up.
Your light bill may go up.
Your water bill may go up.
If you have gas, like thosethings will increase.
Now, increased by how much, Ithink it depends on the person.
Like, I really didn't see ourwater and electric bill go up
(40:49):
like that.
The grocery bill did go up abit.
So those are things you kind ofhave to keep in mind.
If they're driving your car, doyou pay for gas all the time?
Do they pay for gas Like?
That's kind of some of thestuff you may have to consider.
So they get paid, let's just say$196 a week, and they can work
up to 45 hours a week, no morethan that, um and that and
(41:12):
that's an important, importantthing to make sure that you
stick even along those linesthey are entitled to one and a
half days a week off.
So you're like huh, what doesthat mean?
So one and a half days is likeall of Friday off and Saturday
at least.
I think it's like at least sixor seven hours off.
That's like within the week,one and a half days, within the
(41:35):
week they have to get off.
You can't have them working six, seven days a week.
Oh, the cleaning people arehere.
That's why Blue is barking, ifyou can hear that.
Age limit so they range betweenat least the program that we're
working with and I think that'sthe standard everywhere is 18 to
26 years old.
They can't be any younger, theycan't be any older.
Now, if they turn 26 while theyare here, that is OK, or 27
(41:59):
while they're here, that's OK.
But to enter into the programthey need to be that.
So for us, we knew that wewanted someone older, if you
will.
So our last RPR was 24.
And I think the next one'scoming is about the same thing.
So that was important for us.
Not that an 18-year-old can'tdo work, but we just didn't feel
(42:23):
like we wanted to 18 is reallyyoung.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
18 is really young.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I don't know if you remember when you was 18.
It's really young and it feelslike raising a kid.
And life experience.
You know, maybe they've neverleft a home.
Those type of things play intohow I think someone life
experience, you know, maybethey've never left the home.
Those type of things play intohow I think someone can survive,
I guess, or function in anothercountry, not another state,
another country.
So that was important for us.
(42:48):
The program runs a year at atime, so they can be in the
country for two years.
So say, after one year you bothdecide like, oh, this is
working out well, we want to doanother year, they can do two
years.
Or the person can decide thatthey want to go to another
family to get another experience, another state or something.
They can do that as well, butthey only can be in the country
(43:10):
for two years.
Then they have to go back home,be there, I think, for at least
least two years and they cancome back if they're within the
age limit.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So one of the one of the pros and cons of having that
age difference is that with ayounger person they more than
likely can stay with you and gogo through the program multiple
times yeah, so if you want, ifyou want somebody to be able to
come back and stay with you.
You have the ability to do thatwith older people.
They're more than likely goingto phase out before that second
part of the program.
So you're more than likelygoing to phase out before that
second part of the program.
So you're more than likely goingto get somebody for one year
(43:37):
and have to go through it allover again, versus getting
somebody younger.
Train them up, you build thatrapport and then potentially
they can stay with you throughanother term.
Right, kind of like having anolder president versus a younger
president.
You got to teach them, trainthem and stuff.
Older guys they're going tophase out.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
True, which is what we just saw actually somebody
phased out.
They do get training um withinthe program, so they do have
experience of working with kids,but they also get training
within the program that helpsthem just with their documents,
their visa, things like that,when they come here.
Um, they also have what wementioned like a case manager.
They also have a case managerthat they communicate with and
(44:13):
once a month they have um peeractivity, like groups of the
ladies and all peers that kindof get together and do an
activity, so they have some typeof community outside of us
before they meet any friends.
They have all peer friends thatthey can connect with as well,
so they're not completely alone.
Um what else?
They get 10 full days offduring the year, so, um, they
(44:36):
recommend or suggest that theytake it off consecutively, but
it really is up to you, the hostfamily and the person.
They can work it out together.
Ten days is really not a lottechnically.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So you can.
You can't force them to getyour job right.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
It depends on the job .
So you can make a decision as ahost family to give the person
more days off.
You don't have to.
You know only 6 to 10, but youcan't give them less.
It has to be a minimum 10 daysthat they're getting off a year.
What else?
They cannot work overnight.
That's important.
So if they're working it has tostop at 12, 12 am and I think
(45:11):
they can work as early maybe as6 am or something like that.
But they can't just stay up andbe a night nanny or a night
nurse.
I know at first we were likedamn, because when she first
came we were like that's what weneed with our baby.
I think I said it a few times.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
They really can't work overnight.
What if there's rules?
You don't want to break therules.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Once you start breaking rules, they start
breaking rules and had me workovernight.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, it's just a mess.
We stayed within the guidelines.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
So they can't work overnight.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
But they can work weekends, so there was times
where.
Janoka was traveling.
I remember this specific timeJanoka was traveling and we had
them work Saturday with me, sowe had both the kids.
We went out to an event and Iwas like this is the best thing
ever.
I got somebody with me all dayand then we came home and she
helped me get the kids down.
So that's the difference betweenhaving an all-parent like a
nanny, because more than likelythe nanny has to go home to be
(46:01):
with their family.
But since she was here, shespent the extra time helping me
get the kids down.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And then, once it was good night, she went up to her
room, and that was't work.
More than that even within the45.
That day it was 10 hours shedecided to do more.
Don't be throwing no illegalstuff on me, just in case um no,
but so they can do 45 hours aweek, 10 hours a day max.
So it's not like you can justall right, 20 hours today.
Um, they can't do that.
(46:31):
Uh, they can't be alone with achild under three months in the
home by themselves.
So, like I said, when our peerfirst came, amaya was only one
month, so she could never be inthe house alone with her until
Amaya turned three months andthen they could be in the house
alone.
Doesn't mean they can't takecare of them, they just can't be
in the house alone with them.
(46:52):
That's just important to note Ifyou're getting an all-peer, you
know, for your newborn orwhatever the case may be.
And they do have to take schoolcredit while they're here.
So during that time thatthey're here, they can do online
school, they can drive toschool.
It's really up to them and youcontribute up to $500 towards
(47:16):
that to help them with school.
So it doesn't have to be $500,but it's up to $500 towards that
to help them with their schoolcredit, however they see fit.
So when it comes to scheduling,if they have a class, you
obviously can't have themworking during that time, but
they should, depending on therapport that you have.
They should work with you tokind of schedule around that,
like whatever their classschedule is going to be, see if
(47:36):
it works for the family.
So I think I covered all thebases I'm sure people are going
to have more questions of.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Any questions?
You guys got Whatever questionsyou have.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
you got to just drop it in the comments and we'll try
to answer more about it.
But I'm trying to think of whatare some other things like.
I think, yeah, they spend time.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, I didn't think of what are some other things
like.
I think, yeah, they spend time,yeah.
So if you guys, that's the pod,I think that's it, like they
have their room.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, things like that.
Whatever, all right guys, ifthere's additional questions you
can ask us, but that'severything we have on and all up
here.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
We probably could say more, but if any more questions
, comments, concerns put, ifyou're watching this on YouTube,
you could drop a comment, youcould send us a DM and we'll be
more than willing to answer them.
Maybe Janoka does a full blownQ and a on this inside our
community or wherever you guyssee fit.
So appreciate you tapping in.
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Bye-bye, peace.
We had a stranger living in our house and we'll
have another one in two weeksliving in our house, and then we
have another one coming to livein our house for in the next
two weeks, for a year.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right, guys, what's going on?
Welcome to another episode ofthe More Than A Side Hustle
podcast, where we helpnon-to-fibers create more impact
, income and influence outsidetheir jobs.
If you don't know, my name isAnthony.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And I'm Janoka, and we are the CEOs of Cleaning
Business University.
We own a cleaning business downhere in Dallas for the past
seven and a half years and we'rehusband and wife as well.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
All right, let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Jumping in Now.
My legs are on fire.
I'm thinking about that.
I've lifted heavy in the gym,Sorry, Well welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I know that it's been a challenge, but you're back in
the gym now.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Back in the gym consistently for the past seven
weeks, doing at least five daysa week.
So I think I'm here, I'vearrived.
This is your arrival season.
Yes, that's good.
I will continue to go that hard.
Usually before I was doing five, six days a week, so that's
kind of my norm anyway.
But just to get back into itafter having baby number two was
(01:18):
not so easy, but I made thisone a little bit more difficult.
I really don't know, but I knowwhat made me say I I gotta get
to it.
I saw myself in the mirror.
I'm like baby okay.
Gotta get it together.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
What didn't you like?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
My back and my stomach.
I started having rolls and Inever had rolls before.
Nothing against people that dohave rolls, but for me
specifically that's notsomething that I am used to.
So that was alarming to haveback rolls.
And then my stomach has beenbig before, but I just don't
like the way it looks.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Gotta give yourself some grace.
Just had a kid.
I mean, it's been 7 months now.
How long is too long to getback to it?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Every time I told somebody that they're like, oh,
you just had a baby.
I'm like it's been 6 months,listen, and for some people it
takes a lot longer time.
If you have a c-section,there's so many other things
that play into it.
But I knew I was just beinglazy.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Like you have to be real with yourself and
personally, I knew I was justbeing lazy and not doing what I
had to do take a look in themirror and then I'm back in the
gym now, really back in it,after having surgery in october,
yes, and now we're in march, soI'm really back in the gym now.
So that's exciting.
Yeah, you know we've both beenin the fitness game for quite
(02:29):
some time, so being back in thegym five, six days a week feels
absolutely amazing.
But I got to remember I got totake it slowly Because after
having that surgery, I had thesame surgery twice and after I
had the surgery the first time,they tell you to take it slow,
You're like, oh no, I'm good,I'm feeling right.
Right now I'm feeling right.
So this is the time when mostpeople go, and me included.
I went and I started lifting,doing lifts that I shouldn't
(02:51):
have been doing, instead of metaking it slow.
So this time I'm going to takeit slow, ease back into it.
I'm doing a lot of microexercises.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You're older now too, so you have to be mindful.
No, it's nothing to do with age.
I don't believe that you gottaslow down because you're getting
older.
I absolutely don't believe thatit depends on the activity, but
sure, I literally just saw a 70year old man.
He worked up to it, though, buthe worked up to it probably he
ran a sprint with collegeplayers how many 70 year old men
are doing that, though he's theexception.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He's not the norm, he's not the rule.
He's the exception to the rule.
Why not just make that the mate, not just make that the norm?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
okay 70 year old man being able to sprint.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
When you really think about it, you go.
I think I can't even sprint.
I think the quote said I don'tremember what the numbers were,
but they said most people overthe age of 30 35 don't even jump
.
Think about the last time youactually were like why am I
jumping.
So let's remove the people whodo CrossFit and just do normal
workouts, right Jumping Jacksonjumping rope.
No, what's about like jumping?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
How high?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Just jumping.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So jumping Jackson, jumping rope, that's how many
times you've done that.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
No, let's say you're trying to jump over something.
When's the last time you'vedone that?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Playing with your daughter, I did Tic-tac.
Actually, I did tic-tactoe-womb the other day, a week
ago.
What?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
does that?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
mean, you know you draw it on the floor.
No, Not scotch.
That's the way it was before.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Let's talk about all right, let's take the trash can
right here.
When was the last time youjumped over something like that,
but why would I?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Actually I did jump.
I was doing Jumping on theboxes.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I said, outside the gym, outside of people who do
those.
That's the thing.
When you start to have A normal, a quote unquote Sedentary life
, you don't do those Type ofthings.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You don't jump.
Why would you need to, though?
Why would you average?
You just need to be jumping.
Why not?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Like this is part Of your movement, this is part of
your movement, this is part ofyour body.
Most people don't do a full-outsprint and most people don't
jump once they get past acertain age and you're like why
don't you do it?
It's like why not?
Just to test out your limits inyour body.
So now, okay when you do needto do it or you do need to
sprint.
Most of the time you play fromthe zombies.
You, you do a full-on sprint andthe next thing you know you got
a hamstring.
(04:59):
Most of the time we got thatwhen we went to our.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
When I had my bachelor party, we did a race I
want to say it's only whenpeople are trying to measure or
you, you, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And then somebody got hurt.
You get, you get pull ahamstring or something, because
you're doing a sprint that youdidn't normally do.
That's hilarious.
That was a little turn, butwe're talking about today, but
that is hilarious.
We're gonna be told you want toget to the convo?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
yeah today we are going to be talking about an
all-peer and you may be likewhat the hell is that?
And we're going to explainfurther about that, like what it
is and how we got into it andthings like that.
But we're going to be talkingabout having all-peer, which
essentially we had a strangerliving in our house and we'll
have another one in two weeksliving in our house, and then we
(05:43):
have another one coming to livein our house for in the next
two weeks, for a year.
So I'm going to read like theactual definition so that you're
aware of what it is.
So an au pair is a youngforeign person, typically a
woman, who helps with houseworkor childcare in exchange for
room and board and a cultureexchange program Typically a
woman, but they do have men thatdo it as well, and in this
(06:06):
instance it's really forchildcare.
It's not necessarily forhousework.
That's not the capacity that weuse it in, usually for
childcare.
If you didn't, if you haven'tlistened to us before, we did
have a nanny with Alani for twoyears and then she entered into
school and we knew, when we hadour second baby, we will
continue to need help and wedecided to go the route of
getting our all-pair.
(06:26):
Anything you want to add tothat.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So we did it with a program.
We didn't just I mean, thereare under the table ways and
Facebook and stuff that you canfind someone and essentially you
could just find a living nanny,if that's the way you want to
go as well.
But Anthony had a few friendsthat actually used the program
(06:51):
over and over a few times.
They recommended it I think youhad first brought it up when we
were first having our firstchild and I was like, ah,
because they do, they live inthe home with you.
I don't think I said that part,but they oh, room and board,
they live with you.
And I was like I don't think Iwant anybody kind of living in
my house, which I found to beshocking anyway, because you're
kind of less of a people personthan I am.
So I was shocked that you evenwanted somebody living in your
(07:12):
house.
But then we became open to itas we spoke further you know
more to your friends of like thepros, the cons and things like
that and we became open to itand we started the search I want
to say early last year, 2024.
And we had someone come inAugust you know Amaya was about
a month old and then they stayedwith us until about
(07:35):
Thanksgiving, so about closethree to four months they were
with us.
But that one didn't work out.
So we'll continue to speak moreabout just the program.
The benefits why it didn't workout, cost, that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So and the reason we have, what reason we're doing
this discussion, is because alot of people we I don't know a
lot of people.
I didn't know what an all-payerwas.
I'm not gonna say a lot ofpeople, but I didn't know what
an all-payer was, what they did,and normally when I bring it up
in conversation it's the samereaction like what's an au pair?
I heard about this, maybe Idon't know anybody who's done it
, and I want to continue toshare the things where we want
(08:10):
to continue to share the thingswe're learning as we go
throughout the journey so thatwhen it comes up, you know that
this is an option for you.
Yeah, I didn't know that thisis an option for us when, when I
first heard about it andlearned, started learning more
about it and our first kid, umalani, we didn't.
We chose not to go that route.
Now, why did we choose to gothat route the second time
(08:31):
around versus the first timearound?
Because alani had a nanny fortwo years, so why did we choose
to all pair this second timearound?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think you had one.
You had more conversations withyour friends, so we got a
better understanding of what itwas yeah two were like it's
gonna be hella expensive.
It's not, it's no longer one kidand now it's two kids.
And the way that this programworks, they don't charge you
based on how many kids that youhave, which generally nannies do
rightfully so, um, they chargeyou based on how many kids that
(08:58):
you have, and the cost wouldhave been way higher.
So we're like, okay, this is abit more cost effective and the
culture exchange we were makingsure, or we made sure that
whoever we brought on spokeSpanish, which is very important
for us.
As you know, I don't speakSpanish, but all my family does.
Alana is in a Spanish immersionclassroom, so she gets it there
(09:19):
, and we want to make sure thatshe can get it at home as well,
and so that was another part ofit.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So let me ask you this I want to talk about
pricing a little bit Between afull-time nanny and someone
that's doing an all-payerprogram.
So, what's a typical range forsomeone looking for a nanny?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So states matter.
Where you live matters.
I think the average in Dallasis about $22, $23 an hour that a
nanny will get paid.
What I've seen just inconversation because I speak to
many people just when we'relooking for babysitters and
stuff like that People arereally ranging between maybe
like $22 all the way up to like$32.
(10:03):
I've seen $22 to like $32.
I've seen $22 to like $32.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I've seen, depending on experience, per hour Per hour
For a nanny, for a nanny.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, it really depends on their experience.
It depends on how many kids youhave.
For people it also depends on,like, what you want them to do.
Some people include is it justnannying?
Is it housework as well?
It just depends.
Depends, so it can vary so we'retalking about like a thousand
almost a thousand dollars a weekfor a full-time nanny yes, if
you're having a full-time nanny,and so and we do understand
(10:34):
that nannying is, or having ananny is, more of a privilege um
, because it is essentiallycheaper to send your child to a
daycare or home setting or justeven a public daycare.
It is cheaper, uh, but it's justnot something that we wanted to
do at the beginning for ourchildren.
I prefer to just have them home, I, just because of the lives
that we live and the flexibilitythat we have.
(10:55):
I don't feel like theynecessarily needed to be in a,
uh, daycare setting because, youknow, especially when they're
young, they're essentiallywatching them, um, which I feel
like they can do here and getone-on-one interaction, and they
can go to swimming andgymnastics and do all these
other things during the week,versus just being in a, in a
classroom setting, if you willyeah so and that's a big, that's
(11:17):
a big privilege that we, we Idon't want to say we didn't
think about, but I was reallyupset when we were somehow
sending Alani to not Alani,alani to daycare, because really
, daycare is just babysittingyour kid and I'm like she's not
learning anything.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
She's only thing she's doing is just playing with
kids every single day.
But she's learning, alright,she's learning.
But do you think she's learningmore at school with 18 kids in
the classroom, or is shelearning more one on one with a
nanny?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I classroom or is she learning?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
more one-on-one with oh yeah, a nanny.
I would say she's learning morewith a nanny.
And I know the reason why.
Right, you got it.
And if you think about what allthese things were created for,
it's because people go to work.
Yeah, like the school systemwas created so that parents
could go to work.
Like we're gonna keep your kidshere for eight hours.
Do you think your two-year-oldkid needs to be in a classroom
for eight hours to learn?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, they're not learning for eight hours.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's what I'm saying At least in the setting
that she's in.
That's what I'm saying.
So, like all of these systems,I don't want to seem like a
conspiracy theorist.
You could do your own researchon this.
But the more like we have to getunprogrammed for all of this is
it's literally programmed sothat you have to unlearn some of
this stuff and you, when youunlearn it, you can't unsee it.
(12:27):
Yeah, you're like well, schoolsystem was created because
people need to go to work.
And now you're like all right,I'm sending my one-year-old or
six-month-old to school foreight hours in a day because I
have to go to work.
Yeah, that's uh and, like allthese systems were created so
that's where I was at work.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That was baby.
That was that's where I was at.
That's where you go to work.
I was a baby.
That's where I was atbabysitters and daycares, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So when we realized that Alani was going to start
going to school, it was like ohman.
And every morning she was like,oh, I got to go to school, I
got to go to this, and it's justlike heartbreaking, every
single day, oh, my, entered intothe school system, if you will.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Daycare Last year has been a year already and then.
So then we had an all-peer andwe like we said we had someone
here.
That didn't work out, I thinkthere was.
(13:16):
The funny thing is we kind ofknew at the beginning that maybe
it wouldn't work out, but wereally tried.
We're like let's give theperson an opportunity.
We don't want to just cut youoff things like that.
We tried to make it work, um,and they're, and they were fine
with the kids, nothing againstthem with the kids.
It's just it's a huge deal.
It's a huge thing that you'rebringing on um, and I'll walk
through the process of what it'slike to pick someone.
(13:38):
But you really can't really geta sense of somebody until they
come here, right, and I youalways say it's one thing to
know somebody's, another thingto live with somebody, right,
it's a whole different ball game.
Like even if you live with yourfriends, who knows if you will
still be friends it's a wholedifferent ball game and I live
with some of my best friends ofliving in the house with someone
and then think about you'relike working where you live and
(14:01):
living where you work.
so that's even more difficult,for so it's a lot of dynamics
that kind of go into it thateither you don't think about or
just comes with, comes with theprocess.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So yeah, those are no .
Some of those things were iswhen you bring some, when you
hire anybody in any sort ofbusiness, that you have
everybody's going to interview.
Well, everyone's going to lookgood on paper.
Well, what happens when theyhave that first day?
What happens when things don'tgo their way?
What's their reactions?
How do they turn around?
What's the?
What's the emotions they'reshowing?
All these things go into anysort of job when you're hiring
(14:35):
people.
So when you think about thatand you're applying that to
someone living with you, thereis no, you can't walk away at
the end of the day because youlive where you work.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You just got to close the door.
They don't hear you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Depending on your house structure.
So you got to think about that.
You can't really just walk awayfrom your job.
When you leave your 9 to 5 andyou leave that office, you close
that door, you're gone for theday until you go back the next
day.
But in this situation you havethe person living with you, so
there's dynamics that go to playon both parts.
Let's say the person didn'thave a good day and you can't
show your emotions becausethey're they didn't have a good
(15:07):
day.
You didn't have a good day andnow you're in a house all pissed
off at each other.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So, and then lastly, before the nanny thing, like to
show the difference between thenanny and all up here.
They both take care of the kids, right, but the difference is
the nanny is they're paid acertain amount and all peer is
an integrated family member.
They become like a temporaryfamily member.
So, yes, they're taking care ofthe kids, but they also are
part of the family.
So the expectation is that theywill cook, they will take out
(15:35):
the garbage, they will havedinner with you.
You may go on vacationstogether.
I mean, it's not things you haveto do, but it is someone
becoming part of the family.
And that's another thing.
If you're like I don't want toadd nobody to my family, or I
don't want to do that, and thisprogram probably isn't for you,
and so that that's all part ofthe process.
But I do want to talk about,like, the steps, because you're
(15:56):
probably like, well, how do youeven get one?
How do you even find out?
So they have multiple programsout there.
We use the same one that histwo friends use because you know
they, they recommended it, andso that's the route that we went
.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Do you want to say the name, or you kind of hot in
it or what?
I'm not hiding it.
Alright, if we decide to saythe name, it'll be in the show
notes, if she decides it'sreally up to her.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I'm hiding it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
She's not saying the name for a reason, so she's
trying to get sponsored.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'm not going to get sponsored from this.
One thing you never know.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I'm always thinking about that this is true, but
anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So the first step is one make a decision together
that you hold on.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
There's a few programs that you could go to as
well, so it's not just this oneprogram that we're talking
about here.
All of them essentially do thesame thing, so the only reason
we're doing this one inparticular is because they had
good recommendations from ourfriends you just repeat exactly
what I said.
I said that before, alrightwell, I'm like maybe I had to
reiterate it because we'll talkabout, maybe we'll give a few
(16:57):
inside the show notes that we'reaware of.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
You gotta remember that yeah very strong um, so the
first thing is, I guess,agreeing and understanding.
So you do have to.
One thing is they have to havetheir own room.
They don't have to have theirown bathroom, but they do have
to have their own room.
That's definitely important,and a room is considered
something with a window.
I know sometimes, depending onwhere you live, it's like a
(17:20):
makeshift room has to have awindow and you actually get
someone that's kind of like a Iwould say like a case manager,
if you will.
That's assigned to you, and theycome, they interview you as a
family.
They also want to see thechildren.
They also look at the home tomake sure, like, like, whatever
you're saying is true.
They also want to check justwith the kids.
(17:41):
They said sometimes people, ifyou will hide their kids'
disabilities because they feellike it may be hard to find
someone.
So they're just checkingeverything to make sure that
everything that you're saying istrue.
On both sides they do this, soit's really a safe program as
well.
That's why I say going througha program is a little different
from just like finding someoneindependently, um, and I think
(18:03):
that's with anything that kindof reminds me of the cleaning
business, right, so like youcould go with the company or you
could go with a one person bythemselves and just kind of hope
for the best, essentially andit's funny, we actually met
somebody in the nanny space thatdoes exactly what we do in the
cleaning business space too.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
They're like I have a nanny agency and people want a
nanny and I find them, I vetthem and we give them jobs.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yep, and so the steps to getting our appeal you sign
up with the program and theyhave a fee.
Some of them have anapplication fee.
I think the one that we workedwith the application fee was
like waived, but I think itwould have been about like $400
to just get started, put yourapplication on there and get the
process rolling.
Something else is that isimportant is that they provide a
lot of training, so theyprovide a lot of webinars and
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meetings that kind of go throughdifferent topics, like your RPR
driving in the USA, what thatlooks like, what do you need to
do?
Or the first days that your RPRarrives, what do you do before
they get here?
All these things.
They have multiple differenttopics and webinars that you can
join before the person evencomes or that they.
I don't remember if it wasmandatory, I think they
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suggested, suggested.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Suggested that you sign up for.
And we went to a few of themand a lot of them were
informative.
You just you know if you got aquestion, because you're gonna
have questions as these thingscome up, right, and you're not
gonna know everything, but thegoal is just to have as much
information as possible in casesomething comes up to be able
and you could get an all-pairfrom, I think, almost anywhere
in the world, right yeah, Idon't think it could be for
anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Um, yeah, I don't think there's a limitation.
Yeah, I've seen many differentcountries.
I mean, we have filtered ourcountries to spanish speaking
but I've seen many differentcountries yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So if you got any preference, like we know west
indian families, they're gonnatake care of the family, they're
gonna cook, you know if that'syour preference they're gonna
make that happen, so I just yeahand I've seen parents talk
about like they only look ateuropeans because they drive
really well.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So it just depends on , like I guess, what you're
looking for language, justdifferent things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah so that kind of helps you filter out.
You know the type of personyou're looking for.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, so you sign up with the program.
They may have a fee.
You fill out an applicationabout yourself.
Now, this application is prettyextensive, so you're not you
got to think about it as like,if you will like yourself, if
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somebody looks at your profile,you know, do you have enough
information on there for them tomake a decision that they want
to live with, conversation, havea conversation with you, take
care of your kids, be a part ofyour family, right?
So, um, you talk about whatyou're looking for.
You add pictures of, like, yourstate, your area, the house, uh,
the room that they may bestaying in, um your family, and
maybe like a tentative schedule.
That's important because somepeople say like they don't want
to work weekend.
Some people prefer a splitschedule.
(20:44):
It just depends.
So you just put a tentativeschedule there.
It can always change.
You may be like, I don't know,it can always change Like.
We were upfront about that whenwe were looking.
I was currently, I was stillpregnant.
So we're like, as the newborncomes, that will change.
Um, timing will change allthese things.
So you gotta that's part ofyour application that you fill
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out.
Um, and, as I said, they havethese available seminars for you
to attend um.
How to interview like?
What questions do you ask?
How many interviews should youhave um can?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
we pause there for a second about the interview
process, because we, if you guysknow, we obviously have if you
listen to this podcast, you knowabout our life a little bit or
maybe a lot, and you know wehave businesses.
So when we're going to thisprocess, we are thinking about
this the same way we think aboutbusiness.
So the application, this is alla funnel.
So if you think about a funnel,it's a upside down triangle.
The first one is awareness.
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The second one, you know, youkind of go down to.
You actually have somebody.
So when we're going throughthis interview process, like you
just did an interview withsomebody, we were talking about
that and they didn't have theenergy.
So we're coming to thesemeetings with these people who
are going to be living with usand our goal is not to to not
necessarily find the best person, but to see if you vibe check,
(21:58):
yeah.
So you want to give the personyou know, you want to let them
know who you are, what you dothe energy.
So we're coming on there likenot overly, I want to say you
want to give a little bit moreenergy than you normally would
in a daily basis because youwant them to feel you know who
you are and what you're aboutPersonality and personality.
So you got to be a little bitmore boastful and more energized
so this person can feel exactly, you know what you're talking
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about.
Oh yeah, you know what theytalked about was this and this,
and it also stands out in yourmind because some of them may be
interviewing with dozens ofother families.
It's a big decision, yeah, andwe're asking them you know how
many families are youinterviewing with?
And we're also letting themknow that it's okay to interview
with multiple families.
I want you to we want you to wewant you to understand what's
going on, what's out there.
(22:41):
We understand you'reinterviewing, we're interviewing
.
It's a two-way street.
You want to find the rightfamily for you, we want to find
the right all-payer for ourfamily.
So that interview process, wetook it very seriously and we
literally same process we do forour cleaning business same
process we did for our nannysame process we do for
everything else.
We did it throughout this sameprocess we do at our nine to
five jobs.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It's a lot of skills that we have in our nine to five
jobs that are transferable tothese, these personal lives, to
our business lives, and we didthat so our interview process
was pretty extensive, and we hadmore than one interview too
yeah, and so you start to like,you get those seminars about
that and once your profile iscomplete, like, you have to
complete your profile before youcan even start seeing the all
peers or the options that areout there.
(23:21):
So once that's complete, um,you can start seeing their
profile, and their profileconsists of pictures of them as
well a video of them talking.
This helps you to just get anidea of like how their english
is.
If you're not picking someonethat speaks English fluently,
(23:45):
you also get their background oftheir experience.
You also they have referencesin there.
They also do like a personalitytest.
They put their level of driving, how often they drive, just a
range of different things thatyou would need to make a
decision on.
If I even want to speak to thisperson, all of that information
is in their profile and theycan't reach out to anybody.
Only it's called host.
You're called a host family.
(24:06):
Um, only host families canreach out to our peers.
So they just kind of have toput their profile up there, hope
that somebody wants to talk tothem, and then you have to reach
out to them.
Um, they also have a video ofsaying why they want to do it.
Um, experience hobbies just ablurb of them, their excitement.
So we would see people talk andI'm like their energy doesn't
(24:30):
feel like this.
Or you'll see some that arevery edited, cap cut, edited.
I'm like where they put sometime and energy I like those, I
was like yo, they might know,social media.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
We could, we could work something out.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I've seen people on there and it's funny because, um
, their careers can range right.
So some, a lot, almost all ofthem, all of them have
experience with children.
But I've seen people on therethat were lawyers, um,
accountants, engineers.
Their career changes becauseonce again, yes, they're taking
care of kids, but it also is anopportunity for them to come to
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America to have a whole cultureexperience.
So sometimes it's just a quickbreak for them.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And one of my bros that went through the program.
His au pair was actuallygetting her master's or
something like that in math andhis sons were actually going
through an advanced math program.
So he's been in the program.
He's been in this all-pairprogram for nine years or
something like that, so he'sbeen able to get different types
(25:28):
of all-pairs for where hisfamily is.
That's another thing you got tothink about too.
We got little kids, we gotbabies, but as you grow you
might need somebody who has lessexperience with young kids and
more experience with others.
So, he's like this is a perfecttiming for me to have an au pair
who's getting their master's inmath, because my kid is trying
to go to a specialized programin math.
And he's like that worked outamazing because now they're able
to get a pretty much a tutorinside the home for this program
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that he's trying to get hiskids through.
Age ranges for au pairs.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You didn't talk about that, did you?
I didn't because I have like asection of just facts but I will
talk about because we'retalking about different to my
masters and phds and to mybabysitters and nannies, and no,
because I'm talking about thesteps right now.
Okay but, oh yeah, go ahead.
So let's keep it.
Let's keep it there, and then Iand then I'll talk about that
after um.
So, once your profile iscomplete, you then start to look
at profiles, you start to matchwith, you reach out to them and
(26:16):
you kind of just send a messageasking hey, you know, would you
like to have a conversation?
Or hey, I think that you wouldbe a good fit for our family,
based on your profile, and theycan make a decision on if they
decide to respond or not.
And the way that they make thatdecision obviously is looking
at your profile.
Now, now that you've reachedout to them, they can now see
your profile and they will sayyay or nay.
(26:39):
And then you go from there, youhave a conversation.
You can have a conversationdirectly in the app or a lot of
times we have a conversation viaWhatsApp.
The program recommends doing atleast three of them before you
make a decision, and that'sexactly what we did.
We did three differentconversations, three different
interviews before making thisdecision.
But once again, you kind ofhave to just, I mean like trust
(27:03):
God and let go.
I don't know what to saybecause it's it's hard to know
someone completely based off ofthose conversations.
But you feel like you are.
You hope you're asking theright questions.
You know those types of thingswhich, like I said, the program
provides you with that, so youdon't have to think of it on
your own.
You can always Google or chatGPT as well, but those are the
(27:23):
things.
You start to interview them.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
We chat.
We did chat GPT for our entirebio too.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
We put some of that in when we had to redo some of
it.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We put some fun facts about us the family, the kids,
the girls, where we live and itwas like give us a profile.
We're filling out anapplication for all pairs.
Fill out a profile that makesus more interesting and then
also use the guidelines thatthey gave us.
And they gave us a pretty goodoutline with emojis and fun
facts, and this ended Thursday.
Oh, this is pretty interesting,so we use most of that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And then, in that process, you also share a house
manual with them.
Now, this varies per family.
Not every family provides thatyou may be like.
What the hell is a house manual?
The rules of your house, therules of engagement?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
how do you function in the household and the?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
household that is.
It's a lot to think about.
To be honest with you, likewhat are the rules that you have
in place?
Because it's a lot to thinkabout things that you're like
I've never written it downbecause you know it's a lot to
think about things that you'relike I've never written it down
because you know it was just youand your spouse or whoever like
you just say it, I don't got totell nobody yet.
But some things like do youhave a curfew?
Like does somebody the personneeds to be in the house at a
(28:27):
certain time, maybe if they'reworking the next day, or if
they're not working?
Do you care Driving rules?
Are you going to have a car forthem to use or are they sharing
the car that you use?
If they do, how many miles canthey drive?
Can they leave the city?
Can they spend a night out withthe car?
These are some things that wehave to think about.
Can they, you know, eat in theroom?
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Can they smoke?
Can they drink?
Can they have a guest over?
If they have a guest, if it's afemale, can they bring a female
over?
Are no males allowed?
Can somebody pick them up fromyour house?
Does it have to be down theblock.
I know you're probably like huh, huh, huh, but you kind of have
to just be specific.
This is a new family member, ifyou will joining, and they have
(29:10):
no idea.
You have to set the rules andset the tone.
Your schedule for the kids,extracurriculum activities, what
is the expectation around thatcommunication?
Your values, responsibilities,rules, while taking care of the
kids?
You're like, yeah, everybodyknows you don't leave the kids
in the car by themselves.
(29:30):
But yeah, you know, maybeyou're just, you know you're
putting that down.
You're communicating,especially in a hot.
You know Texas gets 105 degrees.
Don't ever dare leaving our kidin the car.
You know those type of thingsthat you may.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You can't even leave a dog in a car in Texas without
somebody breaking your window.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I think that's everywhere, but yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I don't think anybody gonna break your window in New
York.
That's very true.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Not for no pit bull anyway.
Oh yeah, um, homework,financial responsibilities, if
there's any perks that you'reproviding.
Perks could be one that you,they can utilize, the car not
every family has that, you know.
Um, a perk can be that you'reallowing cable in their room.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You're going to pay for cable or you may pay to pay
towards their phone bill um, oneperk was we went to disney
world and if we would have hadour au pair still living with us
, she would have came, she wouldhave got a trip to disney world
you know people who?
Haven't been to disney world intheir entire lives.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, and she was here for three, four months and
would have been on.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
She missed out.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You missed out on a good thing girl yeah, um, so
sometimes people offer kind ofperks as well, and all of that
is mentioned Little bonuses,little raises, if there's
bonuses, if there's raises, andI'll talk about the cost that
they get as well.
But all of that is mentioned inyour house manual, which you go
over with the person duringthese three interviews, because
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that helps them to make adecision on eh, you're a little
too strict, I don't really wantto kind of follow your rules, or
this is too much for me, orwhatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And we found that to be the case with a few people
when we started giving out wewere giving out house rules and
our house rules are rules.
It's not rules to be broken,but it's rules to govern the
general consensus of the house.
So it's a pretty thick manualand we were giving this out
because that was the advice,like give it out before they
come so that people can know.
But then we realized that mostfamilies weren't doing that.
(31:28):
So the hardsugs were being toostrict and we had to tell people
.
We had to preface theconversation by letting them
know hey, these are just somegeneral rules so that you
understand how we work, how wefunction.
Some expectations this isn't anend-all be-all.
You have to take our kid toschool at 7.30, right, they have
to be home at 4.
It was like school starts at 7,pick up at 4.
(31:50):
Like, these are the things thatwe're talking about, so we had
to adjust it.
We made a shorter version of it, we took out some of the rules
and regulations and we had moreof a dialogue around it, because
if you've never met us and thefirst thing you get is a, you
got a 11 page manual.
You're like this ain't for me.
So we did lose a few peoplethroughout that process.
Um, so we did understand theinterview process.
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It's the same across the boardbefore you start a job and
they're talking about the dudes,and don't you like yo?
We haven't even started datingyet.
So we realized that we had tohave more of an upfront dialogue
.
Hey, we got some rules andregulations.
We could kind of talk about iton the phone and then we'll send
you the document, just becauseit's written out.
So we had to make someadjustments throughout that
process, but our document washeavy at first yeah, definitely
(32:33):
yeah, and us it's also.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I would tell people.
If there's something there thatyou saw that you had a question
about or don't agree with, askus or let us know.
Maybe there's something that wecan change.
I'm open to it.
It's not like this.
Is it the end?
All be all?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
like he said, but the good thing is that your hiring
process weeds people out.
This is what you want, nomatter what business, no matter
if it's family, personal, nineto five, you want your hiring
process that we people out.
So when we're giving it out topeople and like, yeah, it's not
for me, it's like, well, it'sfine at the end of the day,
because you may not have a goodfit.
You may not have been a goodfit because you weren't able to
communicate the way you felt.
(33:08):
Right, it was something thatyou versus like, yeah, we might
not be a good fit because weprobably was a good fit.
You probably saw something youdidn't like and said, you know
what?
It's not for me.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
And I think in the during the interviewing process,
it's also important, you see,like personality as well.
Like we are verystraightforward people, so it's
someone that is very timid.
It's alarming because I feellike you may not be able to.
You may take me beingstraightforward as me being mean
or me being disrespectful orsomething like that.
(33:41):
So those are also things thatwe look for as well.
Like, do we feel like thisperson can mesh with our
personality?
Now, we're not nasty people,but we are really
straightforward.
For some it's too much andthat's okay.
We're not for everyone, and sohaving that understanding is
things that we're looking for aswell when we're interviewing,
because I'm not gonna beuncomfortable in my own house,
(34:04):
so we need to make sure that theperson, that we feel like the
person, makes sense for us asmuch as we can right um, because
you don't know until they gethere and the quote is it's okay
to be kind but not nice.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
When you're giving criticism, you're giving
feedback kind of, but not nice.
So that means that I'm notgoing to disrespect you, I'm not
going to be um nasty, I'm notgoing to call you out your name,
but what I say may not be nice.
And if you can understand thedifference between kind but not
nice, then you're able to acceptcriticism.
So if I'm like, hey, you know,here's me being, here's me being
(34:38):
here's me being kind, it's like, yeah, you know you relate, but
here's me being not nice.
Yeah, you're always late, youralarm never gets you up Like
that's not nice.
So I'm giving you, I'm beingkind of, like nice means that
you're always late, you need anew phone, you need a new alarm,
(34:59):
you need to set new routines,no, so if you could accept that
criticism I'm being okay withsomeone being kind to you, but
not nice then you're a good fitfor us so once you match with
the person so you have theseinterviews you both say like
okay, we agree, you like you,you like me, let's go ahead and
get this rolling.
Make a family, become a family.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
You basically continue the process where you
pay, you have to pay the companya fee, they book their flights.
You stay in communication withthis person.
So the first time that we didthis, we made a decision, we
were in Mexico, so we made adecision in May and she came in
August.
And the second time that wejust did this, we made a
decision in January and she'scoming in March.
So things are different,schedule is different, amaya is
(35:44):
older.
There's so many different thingswe've learned from the first
time as well.
Just some things that likemaybe we wouldn't have waited as
long for.
I think we were like, okay, wewill make a decision quicker
next time, and just differentthings we've.
I would say that's the mainthing that we've learned and how
we communicate.
That type of stuff is reallyimportant for us.
(36:06):
Like what we are looking forwhen the person is living with
us is really communication.
Of course, taking care of thekids I had mentioned, like we
look for the vibe check, becausenot that kids aren't hard, but
there's many things that you canlearn pretty easily.
Alani's in school most of theday.
Amaya is barely, she's justhere.
You know what I mean.
She's existing, she's existing.
(36:27):
There's not much happening andI could train you.
I could tell you the thingsthat I want you to do with them,
if it's letters or that type ofstuff, but like, really, how do
you mesh with the family?
So I'm excited to see we're onthe second person that's coming
in a few weeks.
So I'm really excited to seewhat that turns out to be.
I hope my enthusiasm is thesame if there's another podcast.
(36:48):
But I'm excited to see what thatperson would be like.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And it's just like the cleaning business when it
comes to hiring people, likeeveryone, everyone's like, oh, I
clean, like that's totally fine, right, but how are you when it
comes to showing up?
How are you doing about?
What?
About the intangible thingsthat you can't teach?
I can teach you how to takecare of our kids, we can teach
you how to clean Anybody canteach you how to clean but how
are you with those intangiblethings?
I mean, I can say moreimportant taking care of the
(37:13):
kids.
But if you aren't, if youaren't a great communicator or
you aren't great at gettingfeedback or understanding or
learning, then it probably won'twork.
It probably won't work.
So you don't always wantsomebody that's going to be the
best person at the task.
You want somebody that's an allaround, you know, knowledgeable
, understanding person that iswilling to accept feedback and
criticism, to learn, grow andexpand what they've been doing.
(37:34):
Learn, grow and expand whatthey've been doing.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
And before I get to some of the facts of like
working with the program, I didwant to speak on one thing that
they mentioned when you're justlistening to webinars.
But there's also thingscultural differences that we
don't think about.
That you have to show people.
So, like, pumping gas issomething and the road, the, you
know the driving rules.
So, yeah, stop is stopeverywhere, but if you have a
roundabout, what does yield mean?
(38:00):
What is the highway?
A lot of them they drive, theydon't do miles, they do
kilograms.
Is it Kilometers Kilometers?
Sorry, not kilograms kilometers.
So like that translation forthem, walking the supermarket
the first few days, this is justlike going to the supermarket
for them, like that's a wholedifferent experience.
A lot of american food isprocessed right.
They're used to whole food,maybe just cutting the chicken
(38:22):
and kind of getting the pieces,cleaning it and going, so some
little things that you keep inmind.
It's a cultural experience.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
So things like that you have to kind of show them,
educate them on, let them knowabout, um, you know, maybe the
car seat, those type of thingsyou do have to teach them so
think about you going to livesomewhere else that you've never
been before and you having tolearn exactly their language,
what they do, how they walk, howthey dress not, maybe not
(38:49):
walking dress.
Yeah, actually, walking andwalking might be different over
there too, you might.
All right, texas, we don't walkanywhere.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah in new york you would.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
In new york you would walk.
So yeah, those are the type ofthings that you don't even think
and we were going through like,oh yeah, we didn't think that
oh yeah this yeah, like thesupermarket.
I didn't think about thesupermarket till she came back
and we walked every single aisle.
We walked every single aisle.
Show you know where things areshe's like oh, wow, okay but
it's a cultural exchange program.
you know, to say the least.
(39:18):
Imagine you going to live inColumbia for a year, a year, and
that's what you're doing.
Another thing you didn't thinkabout, that we didn't think
about right now, wheregovernments are, there's
embassies and places that areclosing because they're like,
well, we're not giving out visas, and stuff like that.
So, depending on when youdecide to get into a program
(39:38):
like this, you don't know whatthe rules and regulations may be
, and this is something that wehad to learn because they were
talking about it in, like youknow, facebook groups and stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
yeah, so that's the process of getting the all peer.
That's kind of the pros andcons of it.
But I do want to talk aboutsome facts like that's just like
okay, what about this, whatabout this that you may have and
I'm gonna answer this for youso they do get paid, um out your
pocket yeah, they get paid.
You have so the program.
There's a program fee.
Right, the program fee, I wouldsay range.
(40:05):
I think it was about like tenthousand dollars for the year.
You have to pay the program.
You can do a payment plan withthem or you can just pay
outright and even with thepayment plan.
It didn't make it more money,just kind of stretched out how
much you're paying them and thenyou have to pay the all-peer
195.75 a week as a stipend.
Um, that's your stipend.
(40:25):
Um, you may be like, oh, that'spretty low.
Well, they are getting room andboard, um, so you also your
grocery expenses are probablygonna.
Grocery expenses probably gonnago up.
Your light bill may go up.
Your water bill may go up.
If you have gas, like thosethings will increase.
Now, increased by how much, Ithink it depends on the person.
Like, I really didn't see ourwater and electric bill go up
(40:49):
like that.
The grocery bill did go up abit.
So those are things you kind ofhave to keep in mind.
If they're driving your car, doyou pay for gas all the time?
Do they pay for gas Like?
That's kind of some of thestuff you may have to consider.
So they get paid, let's just say$196 a week, and they can work
up to 45 hours a week, no morethan that, um and that and
(41:12):
that's an important, importantthing to make sure that you
stick even along those linesthey are entitled to one and a
half days a week off.
So you're like huh, what doesthat mean?
So one and a half days is likeall of Friday off and Saturday
at least.
I think it's like at least sixor seven hours off.
That's like within the week,one and a half days, within the
(41:35):
week they have to get off.
You can't have them working six, seven days a week.
Oh, the cleaning people arehere.
That's why Blue is barking, ifyou can hear that.
Age limit so they range betweenat least the program that we're
working with and I think that'sthe standard everywhere is 18 to
26 years old.
They can't be any younger, theycan't be any older.
Now, if they turn 26 while theyare here, that is OK, or 27
(41:59):
while they're here, that's OK.
But to enter into the programthey need to be that.
So for us, we knew that wewanted someone older, if you
will.
So our last RPR was 24.
And I think the next one'scoming is about the same thing.
So that was important for us.
Not that an 18-year-old can'tdo work, but we just didn't feel
(42:23):
like we wanted to 18 is reallyyoung.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
18 is really young.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I don't know if you remember when you was 18.
It's really young and it feelslike raising a kid.
And life experience.
You know, maybe they've neverleft a home.
Those type of things play intohow I think someone life
experience, you know, maybethey've never left the home.
Those type of things play intohow I think someone can survive,
I guess, or function in anothercountry, not another state,
another country.
So that was important for us.
(42:48):
The program runs a year at atime, so they can be in the
country for two years.
So say, after one year you bothdecide like, oh, this is
working out well, we want to doanother year, they can do two
years.
Or the person can decide thatthey want to go to another
family to get another experience, another state or something.
They can do that as well, butthey only can be in the country
(43:10):
for two years.
Then they have to go back home,be there, I think, for at least
least two years and they cancome back if they're within the
age limit.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So one of the one of the pros and cons of having that
age difference is that with ayounger person they more than
likely can stay with you and gogo through the program multiple
times yeah, so if you want, ifyou want somebody to be able to
come back and stay with you.
You have the ability to do thatwith older people.
They're more than likely goingto phase out before that second
part of the program.
So you're more than likelygoing to phase out before that
second part of the program.
So you're more than likely goingto get somebody for one year
(43:37):
and have to go through it allover again, versus getting
somebody younger.
Train them up, you build thatrapport and then potentially
they can stay with you throughanother term.
Right, kind of like having anolder president versus a younger
president.
You got to teach them, trainthem and stuff.
Older guys they're going tophase out.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
True, which is what we just saw actually somebody
phased out.
They do get training um withinthe program, so they do have
experience of working with kids,but they also get training
within the program that helpsthem just with their documents,
their visa, things like that,when they come here.
Um, they also have what wementioned like a case manager.
They also have a case managerthat they communicate with and
(44:13):
once a month they have um peeractivity, like groups of the
ladies and all peers that kindof get together and do an
activity, so they have some typeof community outside of us
before they meet any friends.
They have all peer friends thatthey can connect with as well,
so they're not completely alone.
Um what else?
They get 10 full days offduring the year, so, um, they
(44:36):
recommend or suggest that theytake it off consecutively, but
it really is up to you, the hostfamily and the person.
They can work it out together.
Ten days is really not a lottechnically.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So you can.
You can't force them to getyour job right.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
It depends on the job .
So you can make a decision as ahost family to give the person
more days off.
You don't have to.
You know only 6 to 10, but youcan't give them less.
It has to be a minimum 10 daysthat they're getting off a year.
What else?
They cannot work overnight.
That's important.
So if they're working it has tostop at 12, 12 am and I think
(45:11):
they can work as early maybe as6 am or something like that.
But they can't just stay up andbe a night nanny or a night
nurse.
I know at first we were likedamn, because when she first
came we were like that's what weneed with our baby.
I think I said it a few times.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
They really can't work overnight.
What if there's rules?
You don't want to break therules.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Once you start breaking rules, they start
breaking rules and had me workovernight.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, it's just a mess.
We stayed within the guidelines.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
So they can't work overnight.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
But they can work weekends, so there was times
where.
Janoka was traveling.
I remember this specific timeJanoka was traveling and we had
them work Saturday with me, sowe had both the kids.
We went out to an event and Iwas like this is the best thing
ever.
I got somebody with me all dayand then we came home and she
helped me get the kids down.
So that's the difference betweenhaving an all-parent like a
nanny, because more than likelythe nanny has to go home to be
(46:01):
with their family.
But since she was here, shespent the extra time helping me
get the kids down.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
And then, once it was good night, she went up to her
room, and that was't work.
More than that even within the45.
That day it was 10 hours shedecided to do more.
Don't be throwing no illegalstuff on me, just in case um no,
but so they can do 45 hours aweek, 10 hours a day max.
So it's not like you can justall right, 20 hours today.
Um, they can't do that.
(46:31):
Uh, they can't be alone with achild under three months in the
home by themselves.
So, like I said, when our peerfirst came, amaya was only one
month, so she could never be inthe house alone with her until
Amaya turned three months andthen they could be in the house
alone.
Doesn't mean they can't takecare of them, they just can't be
in the house alone with them.
(46:52):
That's just important to note Ifyou're getting an all-peer, you
know, for your newborn orwhatever the case may be.
And they do have to take schoolcredit while they're here.
So during that time thatthey're here, they can do online
school, they can drive toschool.
It's really up to them and youcontribute up to $500 towards
(47:16):
that to help them with school.
So it doesn't have to be $500,but it's up to $500 towards that
to help them with their schoolcredit, however they see fit.
So when it comes to scheduling,if they have a class, you
obviously can't have themworking during that time, but
they should, depending on therapport that you have.
They should work with you tokind of schedule around that,
like whatever their classschedule is going to be, see if
(47:36):
it works for the family.
So I think I covered all thebases I'm sure people are going
to have more questions of.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Any questions?
You guys got Whatever questionsyou have.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
you got to just drop it in the comments and we'll try
to answer more about it.
But I'm trying to think of whatare some other things like.
I think, yeah, they spend time.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, I didn't think of what are some other things
like.
I think, yeah, they spend time,yeah.
So if you guys, that's the pod,I think that's it, like they
have their room.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, things like that.
Whatever, all right guys, ifthere's additional questions you
can ask us, but that'severything we have on and all up
here.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
We probably could say more, but if any more questions
, comments, concerns put, ifyou're watching this on YouTube,
you could drop a comment, youcould send us a DM and we'll be
more than willing to answer them.
Maybe Janoka does a full blownQ and a on this inside our
community or wherever you guyssee fit.
So appreciate you tapping in.
You got to the end of thisepisode.
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