June 4, 2024 • 41 mins
Ever wondered how entrepreneurs thrive while on vacation? On this episode of More Than A Side Hustle, we share our experience running a cleaning business during our anniversary trip. Learn remote management tips and balancing work with personal life.
We also explore what sets icons like Beyoncé and Jay-Z apart, and how their business ventures fuel their lasting impact. Lastly, discover how to balance ambition with relaxation, featuring insights from Kim Kardashian and MySpace’s Tom. Tune in to redefine your work-life balance!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to another episode of the More Than A Side
Hustle podcast, where we help 9to 5ers create more impact,
income and influence.
And apologies, I am extremelycongested so I'll pass it up to
my co-hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yes, thank you.
Thank you for coming back tohear us another week.
If you're watching us onYouTube, make sure you're
subscribing.
Thank you for listening in andgo ahead and write us a review.
Now I thought about okay, sowhat we're going to be talking
about today is how we went onour anniversary trip, or really
any trip, while the businessstill ran.
(00:43):
Basically, I know that's aquestion that people have how do
you step apart from thatwithout being worried about the
business?
So we want to talk about thereal, the tea of that.
Then I just thought thatgenerally, we have a topic that
we discussed before and wedidn't think about one.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
There's always going to be a topic that we can
discuss before.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You can go back to the iced tea conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Ice cube, not iced tea so we were talking about
before we get to the businessthis is actually a business
conversation.
We were talking about the whatis a generational talent versus
an icon, and are they the samethings?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
well, it became a conversation of how it's
difficult for some of these.
We understand how it could bedifficult for celebrities,
actors, anyone really that arein that space to make it through
20 years.
And those that have made itthrough 20 years, more than
likely it has been because ofbusiness.
That they're still standingstrong or we still talk about
(01:38):
them in some capacity is becauseof business, and I made the
example of Beyonce.
Well, she still has music out,but Beyonce, jay-z, rihanna and
Diddy is because of business.
And I made the example ofBeyonce.
Well, she still has music out,but Beyonce, jay-z, uh, rihanna
and Diddy before the mess withwhat's happening.
Diddy now, like these, arepeople that's made it through
the years and Rihanna hasn't putout an album in a bit, but you
know she has her Fenty andeverything.
(02:00):
Diddy, his liquor, all theseother things.
And Jay-Z may get a passbecause he's married to Beyonce,
but he has business things aswell, as opposed to someone like
, let's say, bow Wow.
Bow Wow was I may still call himan icon, if you will he was the
biggest thing out.
There's many people that wasthe biggest thing out, but they
just haven't transcended.
Oh, another person like Mary JBlige.
(02:21):
She was the biggest thing out.
We still know who she is, butit's not necessarily new music
coming out.
I know she drops albums, thingslike that.
So it was very hard, we weresaying, to just make it through
the years without at leasthaving the business side of it.
So the conversation came upabout Ice Cube, because one of
his songs was on this morning.
What song was playing?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, so Ice Cube was was.
Uh, today's a good day.
That song came out early, what90s or something right, and I
was just like, wow, it's likeit's crazy to listen to someone
who is who's been around for solong talk about I don't have to
use my.
You know, I didn't have to usemy gun.
Today was a good day and I'mlike he's been around for so
long, you don't even think abouthim in that aspect.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, and that's how this conversation started to
come up and I had said I waslike well, he's not really
relevant today.
And you were like what do youmean?
He's not relevant today?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Well, you were talking about in terms of age,
demographics.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So what makes?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
someone culturally relevant?
Is it based on your mom knowingthem and talking to you about
it?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Or do you have to be a five-year-old kid to know that
Ice Cube even exists?
Well, there's two things yousaid culturally relevant versus
just relevant.
I was measuring relevancyamongst demographics and age
groups, so not just us as blackpeople knowing who they are in
this day and age.
So I was saying, yes, people30-plus know who Ice Cube is.
And the only way if you'reyounger than that, and let's say
27-plus, sure If you're youngerthan that, and let's say 27
plus, sure if you're youngerthan that, you may know who he
(03:47):
is because on tbs they justshowed one of those comedy
movies he was just that he wasin.
Are we there yet those type ofmovies that he played in?
You know, whatever, but you maynot really have the
understanding of this song he'ssinging to who he is.
Now I feel that falls on us aspeople that are maybe 34, 30
(04:10):
plus and no one is.
So I was saying relevancy andanthony was like well, he just
sold this basketball team, hisuh company.
It's not a team.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
He sold one of the.
He sold one of his teams in thebig three tournament, which is
his basketball tournament forlike $10 million and I'm like
you're making $10 million andmaking the news doesn't make you
relevant and I said I didn'teven know he did that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That was one point and one.
You don't know a lot of thingsabout, okay yeah, a lot of
things, but.
I am in the cultural space.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Am I not?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Are we talking about, did that, and you know about it
because you, because it was abusiness decision.
That's the thing.
So he did that right.
And then I said have youwatched the big three game?
He said yes.
How long ago was that?
Maybe three years ago.
I haven't heard anything aboutthe big three in a really long
time, and probably because thebig three are for retired people
(05:00):
as well.
Back to age, back to knowingmore about this big three
because of so, if you google,ice if you google.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But who's googling him if you don't know him?
You google ice cube and typeand go to news section.
It tells you the last relevantarticle was five days ago.
You know why?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
because no, because he's going on a las vegas tour
concert who knows that and whowas going to that 30 plus year
old.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm not saying he's notrelevant to someone.
Everyone's relevant to someone.
But when you think about reallymaking an impact, transcending.
(05:37):
And I'm not saying he doesn'tdo stuff in the back end.
He could do stuff on the backend, but more than likely it's
measured by things.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We know that these celebrities or other people are
doing Jack in the Box, gave himhis own munchie meal, so they
feel that he's relevant.
Yeah, so I'd say he's relevant.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, that was the conversation and I still stand
on.
I'm not saying we don't knowwho he is, which I think certain
people probably will not, butI'm sure those four people I
mentioned at the beginning, alot more people would know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
okay, yeah based on their age alone, they're 10
years younger than him.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Is Jay-Z and Diddy, 10 years younger than him.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I have no idea.
Stop saying the other guy'sname on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay, well, as I mentioned, I mentioned him in
the business space, not in thatspace, whatever, but I think the
story was really around justtranscending the business.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, so no one's going to be able to exist in
music, for unless you're, unlessyou're someone like michael
jackson, right where we onlyknow michael jackson for his
business, his, his music movesright.
Because he died too young to yeswe never even got to see
michael jackson on a businessside if there was any business
things that were going on.
But these people who areyounger, especially, they
learned they were like, allright, we see what these other
(06:48):
musicians are doing.
And who was talking about, um,kid rock?
You know, of course, they knowwho kid rock is.
We talk about kids rock on themusic side, but kid rock on the
business side.
Go look them up.
Right, I'm not even gonna getinto that whole, but we're
talking about transcendinggenerations.
Our culture is seeing whatthese other demographics of
(07:09):
people are doing and they'relike how do I last for 20, 30
years and it's not gonna bemaking?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
new songs.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Generally, it's not just music, especially now we
got so many ways to make themoney that we wanna make.
We're not going to be able tolast 20 years by just making new
songs.
It's only so long that peopleactually want to hear about your
music, because you're not evenrelevant to the people who are
Ice Cube.
He comes out with a song todayand it's about killing people.
Well, we're off that.
We're not talking about killingpeople anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Even if he came out with something today that wasn't
about killing people.
How far do you think it's goingon the radio?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I mean, even if you think about Jay thing, about
jay-z and nas, they don't go asfar as they used to, because now
, like that's true, people like,oh, jay-z's not relevant to the
culture anymore in terms of hismusic, because he's not talking
about big pimp, he's about now,I'm a billionaire, here's what
I'm able to do.
Yeah, it just.
It's just different layers ofconversation when it comes to
how do you stay relevant for solong doing something?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
which I think is difficult.
I think it's difficult to dothe same thing and stay relevant
, like just only music.
I don't, it's really hard tojust do that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, I mean, even if you just think about our
journey, we were, like you know,talking about the family stuff
and then talking about the debtfreedom stuff and then talking
about the cleaning businessstuff, and eventually we won't
even be talking about thatanymore.
It'll be, oh, now it's justlike alright, now we got just
the education business.
Maybe it's not even theeducation business, maybe we're
talking about something elsewe're doing.
Maybe we're talking about thefamily more than the business
(08:27):
stuff yeah how do you transitionover the course of those, those
years, to stay relevant?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
and not to say you're not allowed to, you absolutely,
you absolutely are allowed to.
But I guess, whatever you do,you try to do it in any capacity
.
So all right.
Well, ice Cube, we're nothaters here of him at all.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I said he was relevant.
You said he wasn't.
I said he's not.
I said he's an icon.
You said he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, I didn't say he wasn't an icon.
You can be an icon and notrelevant.
That's the issue too.
Okay, that's a differentconversation For another day, so
let us.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Let us know, that was our little band.
Literally, we have aconversation and it's about the
business, and it's about culture, and it's all infused.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It all mixed together .
Speaker 1 (09:07):
This is really what our podcast is about.
We're talking about Ice Cube,the family man, Ice Cube the
AK-47 today we're talking aboutIce Cube.
Oh, we got a son that lookslike him $10 million.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I do know that $10 million on the basketball them
out.
How do we go on our trip,vacation and enjoy ourselves
without being worried about thebusiness?
So now that's a trick question,because where do we go?
Let's start there.
We went to mexico, uh, for oureight year wedding anniversary
and to also celebrate our babymoon.
(09:36):
You're gonna say what's a babymoon?
Um, it's to celebrate, or onelast hurrah before the baby
comes.
So last time we went to Aruba,this time we went to Mexico.
Mexico is one of Tony'sfavorite places, so we did that
with Alani.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's like my Disney World Wow.
That's a high bar Mexico isright there.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's a two and a half hour flight.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
We don't got any water in Texas and you know you
have a good time you got sun,don't any water in Texas and you
know you have a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You got something.
Say that for the Texans.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
They're gonna be like yes, we do, we just gotta drive
six hours.
I'm not driving a gavel, thatis absolutely not happening.
Um yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So we had a good time and that's why we went.
We spent a week in Mexico, andanytime we go on vacation, it is
a question of I know for somepeople of how do you manage it.
Prior to this last time we wentvacation, we were in Africa in
December for two weeks.
So when you talk about timedifference or you talk about not
(10:31):
being connected, how do wemanage that?
How are we able to do that?
And that's what we wanted todiscuss.
So what the question was,without being worried about the
business.
I think that's a trickyquestion because oh yo, what's
going on, guys?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Did you know we own a seven figure cleaning business?
I think that's a trickyquestion because, oh yo, what's
going on, guys?
Did you know?
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(11:05):
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Speaker 2 (11:15):
We may not be worried , but you do think about it.
I don't.
I can't imagine that you don'tthink about anything at all once
you leave the country.
Right, it's part of who you are, especially if you're a
full-time entrepreneur.
Entrepreneur, you're doing itall the time, so I can't say you
forget about it.
Do you want to check in onnumbers?
Absolutely do you have to,maybe not.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It just depends on who you are but, and even if you
think about your job, it willbe the same thing.
If you are a typical like,let's say, you clock out, your
job is done.
You're not an upper management.
You could turn your job.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You're not thinking about your job at five o'clock
yes, but if you have, I didn'tbring my work cell phone.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Exactly right you're.
I mean, you even know you havea team, but your job is
different.
So if you're an upper managermeaning you like you manage
multiple people who managemultiple teams even if you go on
vacation, you're gonna bethinking about do you need me?
What's happening?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
you'll be thinking about some aspect of your job.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
At some point so it's the same thing with your
business.
You become upper management atyour job.
You think about it on vacationbecomes part of your dna at that
point.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So that's that's one way I like to to think about it
as well and so the first thingis like I think part of it is
like how we vacation may bedifferent.
Um, like, what you like to doversus what I like to do when it
comes to vacation is a littledifferent.
Like I am, I don't really likethe beach, but just put me in
the pool.
Food, drinks all day, and Ilike excursions as well.
(12:34):
And you like the sun.
I don't like the sun.
I absolutely don't like the sun.
Okay, but you have to be in thesun in the pool.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We spend a lot of time in the sun.
No, you don't.
How are you gonna enjoy thepool without the sun?
My feet is in the water.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I got an umbrella over my head okay, um, him on
the other side, if he's like onthe computer.
Are you want to describe yourversion of vacationing?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
because yeah, so my version of vacation means that,
let's say when in a normal workweek, let's say, you work five,
ten hours.
Let me just say that vacationfor me means that you may not be
working five, 10 hours a day,but you might just clock in for
hour or 30 minutes, maybe twohours.
Right, because I think when youown a business, especially if
you own a business, you can ifyou have a remote business like
(13:17):
we do you're able to run andmanage your business from
anywhere in the world.
So you don't have to unplugcompletely, but it may be you
just clocking in for an hour.
So my version of vacation is Ican run my business from
anywhere in the world, but thenalso I'm not running my business
all day, every day.
So I did do some work onvacation and my thought is how
is that a vacation?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You're saying that the amount of hours I'm spending
is lower, so that makes it avacation.
My thing is step away,completely, like when we go on
vacation, you and Axel, you'renot doing nothing.
I'm like I am on vacation, okay, I am nothing within nine to
five and almost nothing with thenine to five and almost nothing
with the business, to be quitefrank, and we'll go deeper into
(14:01):
what that looks like and why butthat's the difference that we
have and that becomes a tug ofwar, because even that hour, um,
or whatever the case may be, Ifeel shouldn't be part of the
equation, shouldn't be part ofthe discussion, okay.
But and then that's what comeswhere you asking does vacation
equal no work?
For me yes, for you no.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It can, but it doesn't have to.
I don't think.
I don't think vacation meansthat you're completely vacating
away from your current life.
I think vacation means thatyou're.
Is that not the meaning?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What's the meaning that sounds like, that's what it
is.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I mean look up the true definition of vacation.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Is that not the meaning?
All my responsibilities are outthe door.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
The word vacation.
I might have an Ice Cube moviepop up here.
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
From what 10, 15 years ago?
What?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
is the definition?
A period spent away from homeor business in travel or
recreation, or a scheduledperiod of activity where you are
resting?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, so so for me, if you're going to be doing any
type of business work, thenyou're not resting.
But I understand, right, weunderstand one.
Am I just starting a business?
Then that may be a differentcapacity.
How big is my business?
That may be a differentcapacity.
Do you work in a business?
Do you have a business that canmake money without you being
around?
So, for Cleaning BusinessUniversity I mean sorry, for our
(15:24):
cleaning business itself wehave put things in place that it
can run without us around.
At this point, we're havingconversations about that
business specifically about anhour a week.
Having conversations about thatbusiness specifically about an
hour a week.
So we have VAs, operationsmanagers and then people above
that to make sure that all iswell.
Now, it took time to get there,right, if you're just starting
(15:45):
the business, I can't expectthat you're going to do that
because, to be frank with you,when we went to Maldives and
Dubai in 2018, you were the onestill getting the calls we had.
We was on WhatsApp, you know,and there's a eight or nine hour
difference, so did that occupythe entire day?
(16:07):
No, so it speaks to Anthony,point like but that energy is
not something that I want.
Like, I don't even want to haveto think about a client not
being satisfied, because thatcan be a different energy versus
you maybe.
Oh, just making sure.
I don't know something else inthe business that doesn't
require much energy, essentially.
So I think there's differencesto that, but I do understand if
(16:32):
there's a need for it.
However, certain times with us,that's where we're different,
that's where we kind of buttheads.
I don't feel like there's aneed for it.
However, certain times with us,that's where we different, make
you know, that's where we kindof butt heads.
I don't feel like there's aneed for it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Um, as much as anthony does, right when we went
to, when we went to dubai andwe were I remember that
distinctly that day you were, Iguess I got a picture of you you
laying in bed with a it waslike nine o'clock in the morning
.
You had a mimosa in your hand.
You was like I'm stressed outand that's.
You don't want to be at thatpoint.
But there is going to be aseason where, if you're like,
listen, I want to travel and Iwant to enjoy my life and I want
(17:04):
to have a business and I'm atthe point where I don't have the
right teams in place.
You gotta be able to.
You're not going to have to runthat business right.
But I think when you come backyou have a renewed sense of I
need to get these things inorder so that when I do go on
vacation I get to pick andchoose what I'm able to do and
(17:24):
what I don't have to do, right.
So, let's kind of talk aboutwhat are some things that you
have to you come back from avacation, like that Dubai
vacation, where that one dayjust we talked about even with
some of our students recently Iwent on vacation and there was
this one day that pissed me offand I came back and we know the
energy was different becausethey came back and said I got to
do this, this, this, this andthis.
(17:44):
Sometimes we take that stufffor granted because we are like,
oh, I'm right here or I'm neara phone or I'm near a laptop.
But what happens when you're onan excursion and you get a
phone call In the middle of thesea, yeah, and you're trying to
talk in the water to it, likethere's this me with this guy on
a laptop in the water.
He's like it's going to be meon vacation.
I'm like that's me everywhere.
(18:05):
Not funny.
But when you come back what aresome things that you have to do
so that to help you know thatthings are in the right place?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So I'm really speaking on the place we're at
now, because where we were thena year, a year and a half in the
business, you know, I knowyou're thinking about finances
and that type of stuff, butcould we have afforded it?
Probably you just don't seethat at the time.
So definitely for us, or havingsome type of assistance to
delegate the work to before itkind of gets to you right, like
(18:39):
having someone to buffer, is itan automation that is in place?
Is it a person that's in place?
You know, when it's aservice-based business, I think
you have to have a personavailable to answer those calls,
answer those issues that comein.
Um, that can be in place.
Now, if you're runningessentially I don't know a e-com
, a clothing business, maybedon't require a person for four
(19:02):
days, maybe it is automatedemail or texts or something like
that.
So I think it depends, butspecifically for the
service-based business, havingsomeone in place and delegating
and providing information tothem to some capacity.
So I know that.
I don't know if that was thevacation, but there was a point
that we told our contractorslike listen, or we maybe gave
(19:25):
them the client's numbers, Ican't remember exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We did.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
This is the client number.
You only reach out to us ifthere's an issue.
You know what I mean.
Call them, leave a voicemail,text them.
If you can't get into the house, don't come to us, where we go
to them, which is generally whatwe do.
But I think we were at thatpoint now.
At that point then, like youcan just call them.
You don't need to, you don'tneed to call us for us to cause
that takes up more time, we'renot getting them, we're going
(19:50):
back and forth.
So so I would say, havingsomeone in place to handle those
issues for you.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So if you can't put someone in place, I'll talk
about from an aspect of a coupleyears ago.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So you said you can, then we just say you don't have
a person in place.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So I would think one of the things that we've seen,
even from some servicebusinesses, is like oh, I'm out
of the office.
I didn't know that you were outof the office number one.
So maybe having some sort ofsure.
So planning ahead meanscommunicating with the people
who need to know that you'regoing to be on vacation, and you
telling them you're on vacationdoesn't necessarily mean that
I'm out, I'm not going to beavailable.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I'm out of office.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I'm out of the office means I might.
It might take me a little bitlonger to respond.
So now your teams you got ateam or you got contractors or
workers or W-2s letting themknow that I won't be as readily
available as I normally am, nowthat what that does is give you
(20:46):
a buffer where it's like itmight not alleviate the
expectation, but at least theyare aware of it.
So it's not like I didn't tellyou.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
We get people that say oh, I was of it, so it's not
like I didn't tell you we getpeople as oh, I was out for this
week.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's like we didn't know that you were out just
because it's a holiday.
I don't know what you do andhow you run your business, so
letting the right people knowthat you will not be 100
available is a decent bufferwhere it might help you buy some
time back at least beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You know, at the beginning, I think over time,
you probably established sometype of like vacation protocol
or like if I'm not available,this is what you do, yeah, and
which goes back to like SOPs andstuff like that.
But you may not have that inplace now.
It doesn't mean it still can'trun without you, but maybe in
this capacity, if you're usuallyin it 95% on vacation, I'm in
(21:28):
it 30%, you know, but the person, whoever you work with, or
people, even contractors orwhatever they are aware, and
that makes it easier.
And then you're able to figureout what are the things I need
in place when I'm away, which Ithink that's the biggest thing
If you answer all your calls.
Think about that.
(21:51):
If I'm on the plane or if I'm inanother country and I don't
plan to use any minutes, or Idon't plan to use WhatsApp, or I
don't have Wi-Fi, whatever,who's picking up the phones Is
your business just stopping?
So those are things you have topre um, I think, pre expect or
pre plan for at least Um, andfor us right now, the way that
we plan for that is making surethat our teams are aware and
making sure that they're clearon what to do.
(22:11):
If there is something that isyou have absolutely no idea what
to do, you do have our contact.
You can reach out to us and wewill respond.
I don't think we've been toanywhere so desolate that we
can't respond at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well, on the planes, that's another one.
So you mentioned like planningyour travel around the times
that you're.
So instead of, like, you couldfly into Dubai I don't remember
how long that flight was, butmaybe you don't take that flight
during your business hours Like, hey, I might have to take this
flight overnight.
That might be an option for youso that you don't have to miss
your entire business day.
Or you're on a phone I mean noton a phone, but you're on an
(22:46):
airplane so that might be anoption for you to planning your
actual trip where you knowyou're going to be unavailable.
Maybe that happens overnight ora weekend or off hours or
something like that.
So that might be an option.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So, letting your team know, delegating information,
preparing your team right.
So that may be a conversationthat you're having like, all
right, I'm going to need you todo this.
They may not know what this is.
They've never done it before,so make sure you prepare them as
to what your expectations are,for what you want from them
while while you're away.
Now I think about it, becausewe have two different.
(23:19):
We have multiple businesses,but the main ones that we always
really speak about is ourcleaning business specifically,
and then cleaning business.
University is another thing,right?
So, yeah, we got a littlesticky over here, um allergies
is killing me actually cleaningbusiness, where we have multiple
people in place.
cleaning business university, wedo have some people in place,
but it's not as much.
(23:39):
And the difference between thetwo is which is a question for
you can your business run ormake money without you?
And I know that's how peoplekind of measure um, a business
being efficient and kind ofrunning correctly, if you will.
For us to be frank, ourcleaning business, yes, it can
run without us.
Cleaning business university,not so much.
(24:00):
It can't really run without usbecause there's multiple ways
that we show up for it, ie thepodcast.
No one else is doing it.
No one else can replace us.
We can have guests, but no oneelse can replace us.
Content, even if you're like,well, it's just pictures, yeah,
but then you're thinking abouthow can I make it make sense for
(24:22):
the people that are watching meor following me, like how can I
put business in it or how do Iput it back to family?
That can be a capacity of it.
Then we have coaches, then wehave other people that we work
with for emails, for ads, so allthose things are, you know, ceo
or our operations manager canhelp us to a capacity, but they
(24:44):
can't necessarily run it for us.
So for Clean and BusinessUniversity, it is a business
that does require us.
It is a business that if we'renot so involved in some capacity
, maybe finances will slow down.
So I think that that's part ofthe thing, for Anthony is why
he's like, well, I'm not goingto just not work at all, because
then income may slow downtremendously.
(25:05):
And I have a mindset of I thinkit ties into the way we think
about money as to why we operateso differently.
In that regard, I feel likefour days away, five days away
isn't going to completely changeour whole trajectory of our
lifestyle and livelihood.
(25:26):
Right, there may be someseasons where it would, though
that it might do so, so you'remore hesitant about that.
But even in general, even ifwe're in a season that it's not,
I feel like you'll still be onthe computer in some way.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, I, I, I'm always going to be on the
computer.
That's not something thatthat's.
That's not something thatyou're going to have to pry out
of my hands.
Yes, it is.
One of the things that we wereable to do was we moved a lot of
our meetings to from differentdays, different times, like, all
right, we're unavailabledifferent weeks.
But there were some meetingsthat we did take, like I took,
um, you took a meeting that Iwasn't happy with yeah, I took
(25:58):
one of our coaching calls right.
That was already scheduled withour community that was fine that
was a coaching call, that wasliterally our.
And then I took another meetingthat you were like I'm not
taking a meeting, and I took it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, now well, the whole thing was, anthony had
asked me should you know, can Itake this meeting at this time,
because he won't really beknowing the schedule, the
itinerary of what we're doing,whatever.
And I'm like, oh well, no,we're not technically doing
anything, but no, you shouldn'ttake it.
Then he's like, well, whyshouldn't I take it?
I said, well, because we're onvacation.
We said yes to the coachingcall, but this one can wait till
(26:31):
Monday, tuesday, whatever, itcan wait till next week.
We don't have this call now, wedon't have to have this call
now.
And then it was a back andforth and I'm like, well, why
did you ask me?
You asked me a question, I gaveyou my answer and now you're
trying to have me change myanswer.
That is my answer.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If you're deciding to take the call, don't ask ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You can't make a reaction while I'm talking,
Because I know what you're aboutto say.
So the thing is, you weren'teven on a call, so you don't
know the importance of it.
I do know the importance of it.
No, you don't oh.
God so if I give you thetrickle-down effect of me not
taking that call and waitinguntil Monday, you would go Two.
I took it on Friday, saturday,sunday.
We take the call.
We don't get started untilTuesday, wednesday Things needed
(27:18):
to be in place for Thursday ofthat week, so I took it on
Friday.
They had to be ready to go.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You took it on Thursday.
Actually, I took it on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
They had to be ready to go by that Thursday.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You wanted it to be ready to go.
It didn't have to be ready togo, right, okay?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
You got to be able to make sacrifices right, and I
sat on that meeting, I did thehour and I was done, ready to go
for the rest of the day, andthere was something that you got
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Speaker 1 (28:04):
You got to make decisions in your life.
You got to put your foot down.
You got to put your foot down.
Sometimes you got to take thesemeetings.
Others like and that's also todo this guy literally on the
phone and every time I saw himhe was on the phone.
I literally fall into his headlike this the whole time and I'm
like I don't want to be become.
I don't want to become one ofthose people on vacation but
every time you see me I'm on.
(28:25):
I was only on the laptop in theroom.
So I don't want to be.
I don't want to become one ofthose people where I can't enjoy
an entire vacation because I'mon the phone making business
deals or I'm closing sales orstuff like that.
Work is going to look differentfor people, that's I don't know
if he had a family, maybe hedid, I have no idea.
But every time I saw this guy hehad his phone to his head
walking around, he had earphonesin and I'm like, damn, that's
(28:47):
the whole vacation.
Every time I saw him I saw himlike at least four or five times
.
We was in the pool.
He walked through the poolkicking the water with his phone
in his hand.
Now, if you're that type ofbusiness owner, you're that type
of CEO or you're that type ofemployee, more power to you.
But you got to be able to make adecision on what you want your
life to be or you go into thelike.
Another example was Don Peeblesand his wife.
(29:08):
His wife said if you don't knowwho Don Peebles is huge
business mogul, billionaire orclose to being a billionaire.
He has a billion dollars of atleast assets, right.
And his wife said when we goout to eat, every single version
of our life is work.
And she said I knew that comingin and I signed up for this
life.
She said we go out to eat,we're on our phones, we try to
(29:30):
have some family time, butthat's what I signed up for and
it was like I watched hisinterview.
I know I never said you did, I'mjust putting it out there.
But you have to be mindful ofsometimes those are the super
ambitious people that if you tryto pry that away from them,
they would rather you go awaythan their business go away.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right.
Is that what you're saying?
No, it is a balance of and I.
What also makes it difficult isthe fact that we have these
okay, good and bad that I couldwork from anywhere in the world.
But also, how do you turnthings off with this Cause?
That's a, I think, a biggerthing for you as well.
Just turning it off because youcould be like, well, I'm just
scrolling on Instagram, butyou're scrolling on every
(30:09):
business thing, and then youwant to bring it up to me, so
then it becomes work, like, oh,I just saw this, and then it
becomes work.
Right, me, I'm scrollingInstagram about nothing of
importance, nothing businesswise, and if I send it, I'm like
we could talk about it anothertime.
I don't need to talk about itin that moment.
So I think you need to becognizant as well as to what you
(30:29):
want your life really to looklike when vacation and when not
on vacation, because even athome, we have to find that
balance of yeah, you know we'redone here, we're moving on from
this conversation or whateverthe case may be, and so it's the
same thing on vacation ofhaving to nip it.
Now we can.
I can be frank with you thathaving to even nip it on
(30:50):
vacation can be annoying, it canbe frustrating, like why do I
have to tell you that we onvacation and this can rest?
But I think, like you said, itdepends on the person, like you
know, the person that you'rewith, and how they operate and
maybe what they're trying towork through, work towards and I
think a point that you broughtup with the guy just now is
almost a billionaire issometimes I see other people,
(31:11):
other entrepreneurs, that theylike I'm like wow, always on
live, they're always doing this,they're always doing that, and
I'm like I, they make the moneythey, they do because of how
hard their work.
I can see how hard their workand I don't want to do that.
You know, I don't want to workthat hard.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm not saying I don't want money, but maybe I
don't want that much moneybecause I'm not willing to put
in that much work, so I thinkalso having that understanding
as well.
How much money do you want tomake and how much do you really
want to work so, him being a?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
so if you're a billionaire, we are people's
being a billionaire is likeobviously you know there is no
what I'm doing there is noturning off.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So yeah, that was.
That was actually a questionthat somebody was asking do you
really want to be a billionaire?
And it was like what does beinga billionaire entail?
Yeah, how many teams, how manymanagers, how many meeting
businesses.
How many like you have toreally recognize when you talk
about these numbers that peoplehave and it's like we got these.
You're not wearing your shirttoday, but it was like my shirt.
The shirt was a blackbillionaire in the making do you
(32:07):
really want to be a blackbillionaire in the making?
Black billionaire in the making.
Do you really want to be ablack billionaire in the making?
I think about which I want to.
Do you want to have all thatresponsibility?
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
And does that mean when you go on vacation?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
your responsibilities turn off.
So we were talking about justyour responsibilities change
probably, responsibilitieschange, and we're talking about
things like you do If you wantto take a vacation and when
you're owning a business andyou've been managed, so planning
ahead taking vacation duringslower periods, if you know,
listen, my business is.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I don't know how I feel about that one, but what do
you mean?
Taking vacation during slowerperiods, like when I.
I think that constricts thewhole freedom side of it for me
of being able to pick up and go,because a vacation may be
mexico but a vacation may be aweekend in new york with family
yeah, so um taking vacationduring slower periods can be
something you put in place.
I am just not a fan of it andit's not something that we
(32:52):
follow, I should say.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Establishing vacation protocols.
So we spoke about telling ouroperation manager, telling our
teams like we're going to beunavailable during these times
mostly, but if you do need us inan emergency.
That's another thing too.
You don't want to make yourteam so afraid to reach out to
you.
But then also we find thatpeople are they baby?
They're not baby.
They micromanage their team somuch that they have to come to
(33:14):
you for everything.
So if you say hey, um, if Imicromanage you and I tell you
you don't come to me now, I'mdefinitely not coming to you for
nothing because I don't havethe ability to make a decision
now, I'm afraid to make thewrong decision.
So you don't want tomicromanage your team where they
don't feel comfortable.
But then also you want to putthem in position to be ready
before you need the vacation too.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, and before you move on to that, while you were
listing stuff, when you werespeaking about um, billionaires
and how hard do you really wantto work?
I am.
I watch the kardashians.
I know some of you.
I don't let me go back to thatbecause I was wanted to say a
point before he was on to thatand I just thought about how the
amount of things that I knowkim kardashian does to her
siblings like complain aboutabout how hard she works and all
(33:55):
the things that she does andI'm like, well, that's probably
why she is close to I don't knowif she's at billionaire status
at this point or close to it,whatever the case may be because
of how hard she works.
Now her sisters are like I justrather be home with my kids,
like I don't want to be doingall that.
It just shows that difference.
She's like I thrive with, justkeep working, to keep working.
I thrive with the challenge.
So it's just different people,different strokes of like what
(34:19):
do you really want out of life?
And really having thatunderstanding of what it takes
to get there is important.
I think that also plays intovacation.
Are you taking a vacation Ifyou feel like if I leave, I have
to shut everything down?
Maybe not, maybe not, or maybeyou are, maybe like it is what
it, is what it is.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I think it is determined by your level of
ambition too, yeah, so I thinkwe're ambitious people, and I
don't.
You're more ambitious than I am.
I'm definitely more so if wetalk about like the kardashians
as an example, and you could saywhatever you want about them.
Kim Kardashian is veryambitious, right?
She has a family.
She's going for a law degree.
She does acting now.
She has her product line nowand you're like, how much more
(35:00):
can a person really do or need?
And it's like not about theneed, no-transcript.
That's the level of ambitionthat some people strive to be
Now.
(35:20):
For them, vacation is not thesame as for most people.
Your vacation means that Imight be working.
Instead of me working 12 hours,10 hours a day, I might be
working five, six.
So you have to determine howsuccessful you want to be.
But then also, can you everturn off that level of ambition?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's really hard for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's hard for you, would you say.
I think it's hard for me.
I don't think I'm the type ofperson that I became a
billionaire.
I just stopped doing you haveto stay there, right.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Let we have to stay there, right.
Let's say I can stay abillionaire.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
What does that mean for me?
I'm probably going to try tofigure it out.
So here's what it is.
Here's what it is.
You can see people's level ofambition by what they do after
they make money.
So you see people who sell offtheir companies, right, let's
say, like I was listening tothis podcast about what was the
guy's name from MySpace, tom Tompodcast about um, what?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
was the guy's name from myspace tom tom.
Tom sells, not having a lastname, but you know who he is.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Tom spells of myspace and he doesn't do anything else
but how much did he sell it for?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I feel like I saw a number and I didn't feel like it
was too much tom sold it to begood for the rest of his life.
Let's go okay, how much did?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I thought I saw like 18 million.
I don't how much did tom sellmyspace for.
Tom sold MySpace for 580million dollars.
Oh, okay, that's a differentnumber, so that's life-changing
money where you don't have to doanything else.
You know what he does.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
No, what, nothing else.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I'm like I don't know , Does that mean that he does
like photography and he doeslike a little bit of?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
this he does what he loves he travels.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
That's what he loves.
He traveled People kind of spothim and they'll post all that.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean to get $500 million in MySpace 20 years.
I don't know when he sold it,how long, I don't know that was
about 20 years ago, 20 years ago.
That's a pretty great deal,because right now it'll probably
be a billion.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
So does that mean that he's not ambitious?
He retired.
He's literally the definitionof a person that stopped doing
everything and just traveltaking pictures.
Taking his Instagram page isjust like like you literally go
to his Instagram page.
That's exciting.
Let's go to.
Let's go to Tom's Instagrampage If I type in Tom he is me I
am him.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I got the money I need.
I'm done, and maybe he is doingthings that we don't have any
idea about.
He's just not um my space, tom.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
MySpace Tom 668,000 followers.
His last post was April 26thand he's just literally.
Let me go to his page.
Look Beautiful pictures.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Beautiful pictures Traveling the way I would love
to travel.
So he's a photographer,literally a photographer like
editing pictures.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Did he take these pictures?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
This is him 2017, 2018.
Okay, he's not that active.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
No, he's not active, but does that mean he's not
ambitious?
No, he's not acting, but doesthat mean he's not ambitious?
Or there's different levels ofit.
Right, most people sell acompany.
They wait a couple of days,wait a couple of weeks, maybe
wait a couple of years and startanother company.
I'm taking all that money goingto roll it into another company
.
So you have to determine howsuccessful you want to be, based
on your level of ambition.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, I would agree.
All right, so you werelistening.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
sorry, so we talked about established vacation
protocol, letting your teamsknow delegating your work, if
you can.
We talked about preparing yourteam for vacation and letting
clients know about your vacationtoo.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, that's something that I find that
people don't do.
It's kind of like why wouldn'tyou just say that you're out?
I don't know, it's something sobasic.
It reminds me of simply justpicking up the phone.
You'll make it further in life.
When it comes to service-basedbusiness, it's something so
simple, but people don't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Put an out-of-office on yeah.
I don't know or just massmessaging all your clients via
email hey, I'm going to beunavailable for the next 24, 48
hours, going on vacation, butgive me I'll be, I'll have my
team respond to you, orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I'm choosing a second in command for urgent issues,
if you're able to do so, if notjust preparing the team in
general, and you are the first,second and third in command.
And then, lastly, it's likerest and relax.
So I think what we've got outof this conversation is what is
rest and relax.
Look like to you.
So obviously, for me it'sliterally bye, bye America.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I am somewhere else.
So Janoka sells a company for580 million.
She is not doing anything else.
You're a Tom.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I'm literally a Tom yeah let's be fair.
I am definitely Tom, I'm notdenying that and I'm fine with
that.
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'm.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Tom, I'm definitely not Tom.
Your rest and relax is justworking less.
So working is working less andthen doing some relaxing and not
being in the sun, in the pool,whatever.
So I think, defining that foryourself and maybe the person
that you're with, so you have abetter understanding when you do
go on vacation.
(39:36):
So, yeah, we we take manyvacations.
We'll see how it goes.
Uh, as we have a second childcoming, I don't know what the
cadence will be at that time,but at when we had Alani, we
took a lot of vacations and wehad all of all of these
businesses going and we wereable to manage it and so on and
so forth.
We continue to do so.
So we just wanted to kind ofspeak on how we do it.
What is the real about?
It's not like nothing ishappening at all, but it is
(39:59):
definitely lessened.
Nothing is happening for me,but it's definitely lessened in
how quickly we show up, how manymeetings we have.
Those types of things are movedand changed when it comes to
that.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So, yeah, don't wait for your next vacation to talk
about to start planning whatyour business is going to look
like.
Try to plan what your businesswill look like before that
vacation.
So start getting some things inorder beforehand and if you're
like Janoka and Tom, make yourmoney, go on vacation, close the
laptop and just enjoy life.
If you're like me, we're goingto sell that company and start a
new one, I guess.
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Now I thought about okay, sowhat we're going to be talking
about today is how we went onour anniversary trip, or really
any trip, while the businessstill ran.
(00:43):
Basically, I know that's aquestion that people have how do
you step apart from thatwithout being worried about the
business?
So we want to talk about thereal, the tea of that.
Then I just thought thatgenerally, we have a topic that
we discussed before and wedidn't think about one.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
There's always going to be a topic that we can
discuss before.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You can go back to the iced tea conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Ice cube, not iced tea so we were talking about
before we get to the businessthis is actually a business
conversation.
We were talking about the whatis a generational talent versus
an icon, and are they the samethings?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
well, it became a conversation of how it's
difficult for some of these.
We understand how it could bedifficult for celebrities,
actors, anyone really that arein that space to make it through
20 years.
And those that have made itthrough 20 years, more than
likely it has been because ofbusiness.
That they're still standingstrong or we still talk about
(01:38):
them in some capacity is becauseof business, and I made the
example of Beyonce.
Well, she still has music out,but Beyonce, jay-z, rihanna and
Diddy is because of business.
And I made the example ofBeyonce.
Well, she still has music out,but Beyonce, jay-z, uh, rihanna
and Diddy before the mess withwhat's happening.
Diddy now, like these, arepeople that's made it through
the years and Rihanna hasn't putout an album in a bit, but you
know she has her Fenty andeverything.
(02:00):
Diddy, his liquor, all theseother things.
And Jay-Z may get a passbecause he's married to Beyonce,
but he has business things aswell, as opposed to someone like
, let's say, bow Wow.
Bow Wow was I may still call himan icon, if you will he was the
biggest thing out.
There's many people that wasthe biggest thing out, but they
just haven't transcended.
Oh, another person like Mary JBlige.
(02:21):
She was the biggest thing out.
We still know who she is, butit's not necessarily new music
coming out.
I know she drops albums, thingslike that.
So it was very hard, we weresaying, to just make it through
the years without at leasthaving the business side of it.
So the conversation came upabout Ice Cube, because one of
his songs was on this morning.
What song was playing?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, so Ice Cube was was.
Uh, today's a good day.
That song came out early, what90s or something right, and I
was just like, wow, it's likeit's crazy to listen to someone
who is who's been around for solong talk about I don't have to
use my.
You know, I didn't have to usemy gun.
Today was a good day and I'mlike he's been around for so
long, you don't even think abouthim in that aspect.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, and that's how this conversation started to
come up and I had said I waslike well, he's not really
relevant today.
And you were like what do youmean?
He's not relevant today?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Well, you were talking about in terms of age,
demographics.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So what makes?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
someone culturally relevant?
Is it based on your mom knowingthem and talking to you about
it?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Or do you have to be a five-year-old kid to know that
Ice Cube even exists?
Well, there's two things yousaid culturally relevant versus
just relevant.
I was measuring relevancyamongst demographics and age
groups, so not just us as blackpeople knowing who they are in
this day and age.
So I was saying, yes, people30-plus know who Ice Cube is.
And the only way if you'reyounger than that, and let's say
27-plus, sure If you're youngerthan that, and let's say 27
plus, sure if you're youngerthan that, you may know who he
(03:47):
is because on tbs they justshowed one of those comedy
movies he was just that he wasin.
Are we there yet those type ofmovies that he played in?
You know, whatever, but you maynot really have the
understanding of this song he'ssinging to who he is.
Now I feel that falls on us aspeople that are maybe 34, 30
(04:10):
plus and no one is.
So I was saying relevancy andanthony was like well, he just
sold this basketball team, hisuh company.
It's not a team.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
He sold one of the.
He sold one of his teams in thebig three tournament, which is
his basketball tournament forlike $10 million and I'm like
you're making $10 million andmaking the news doesn't make you
relevant and I said I didn'teven know he did that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That was one point and one.
You don't know a lot of thingsabout, okay yeah, a lot of
things, but.
I am in the cultural space.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Am I not?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Are we talking about, did that, and you know about it
because you, because it was abusiness decision.
That's the thing.
So he did that right.
And then I said have youwatched the big three game?
He said yes.
How long ago was that?
Maybe three years ago.
I haven't heard anything aboutthe big three in a really long
time, and probably because thebig three are for retired people
(05:00):
as well.
Back to age, back to knowingmore about this big three
because of so, if you google,ice if you google.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But who's googling him if you don't know him?
You google ice cube and typeand go to news section.
It tells you the last relevantarticle was five days ago.
You know why?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
because no, because he's going on a las vegas tour
concert who knows that and whowas going to that 30 plus year
old.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm not saying he's notrelevant to someone.
Everyone's relevant to someone.
But when you think about reallymaking an impact, transcending.
(05:37):
And I'm not saying he doesn'tdo stuff in the back end.
He could do stuff on the backend, but more than likely it's
measured by things.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We know that these celebrities or other people are
doing Jack in the Box, gave himhis own munchie meal, so they
feel that he's relevant.
Yeah, so I'd say he's relevant.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, that was the conversation and I still stand
on.
I'm not saying we don't knowwho he is, which I think certain
people probably will not, butI'm sure those four people I
mentioned at the beginning, alot more people would know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
okay, yeah based on their age alone, they're 10
years younger than him.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Is Jay-Z and Diddy, 10 years younger than him.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I have no idea.
Stop saying the other guy'sname on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay, well, as I mentioned, I mentioned him in
the business space, not in thatspace, whatever, but I think the
story was really around justtranscending the business.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, so no one's going to be able to exist in
music, for unless you're, unlessyou're someone like michael
jackson, right where we onlyknow michael jackson for his
business, his, his music movesright.
Because he died too young to yeswe never even got to see
michael jackson on a businessside if there was any business
things that were going on.
But these people who areyounger, especially, they
learned they were like, allright, we see what these other
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musicians are doing.
And who was talking about, um,kid rock?
You know, of course, they knowwho kid rock is.
We talk about kids rock on themusic side, but kid rock on the
business side.
Go look them up.
Right, I'm not even gonna getinto that whole, but we're
talking about transcendinggenerations.
Our culture is seeing whatthese other demographics of
(07:09):
people are doing and they'relike how do I last for 20, 30
years and it's not gonna bemaking?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
new songs.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Generally, it's not just music, especially now we
got so many ways to make themoney that we wanna make.
We're not going to be able tolast 20 years by just making new
songs.
It's only so long that peopleactually want to hear about your
music, because you're not evenrelevant to the people who are
Ice Cube.
He comes out with a song todayand it's about killing people.
Well, we're off that.
We're not talking about killingpeople anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Even if he came out with something today that wasn't
about killing people.
How far do you think it's goingon the radio?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I mean, even if you think about Jay thing, about
jay-z and nas, they don't go asfar as they used to, because now
, like that's true, people like,oh, jay-z's not relevant to the
culture anymore in terms of hismusic, because he's not talking
about big pimp, he's about now,I'm a billionaire, here's what
I'm able to do.
Yeah, it just.
It's just different layers ofconversation when it comes to
how do you stay relevant for solong doing something?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
which I think is difficult.
I think it's difficult to dothe same thing and stay relevant
, like just only music.
I don't, it's really hard tojust do that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, I mean, even if you just think about our
journey, we were, like you know,talking about the family stuff
and then talking about the debtfreedom stuff and then talking
about the cleaning businessstuff, and eventually we won't
even be talking about thatanymore.
It'll be, oh, now it's justlike alright, now we got just
the education business.
Maybe it's not even theeducation business, maybe we're
talking about something elsewe're doing.
Maybe we're talking about thefamily more than the business
(08:27):
stuff yeah how do you transitionover the course of those, those
years, to stay relevant?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
and not to say you're not allowed to, you absolutely,
you absolutely are allowed to.
But I guess, whatever you do,you try to do it in any capacity
.
So all right.
Well, ice Cube, we're nothaters here of him at all.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I said he was relevant.
You said he wasn't.
I said he's not.
I said he's an icon.
You said he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, I didn't say he wasn't an icon.
You can be an icon and notrelevant.
That's the issue too.
Okay, that's a differentconversation For another day, so
let us.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Let us know, that was our little band.
Literally, we have aconversation and it's about the
business, and it's about culture, and it's all infused.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It all mixed together .
Speaker 1 (09:07):
This is really what our podcast is about.
We're talking about Ice Cube,the family man, Ice Cube the
AK-47 today we're talking aboutIce Cube.
Oh, we got a son that lookslike him $10 million.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I do know that $10 million on the basketball them
out.
How do we go on our trip,vacation and enjoy ourselves
without being worried about thebusiness?
So now that's a trick question,because where do we go?
Let's start there.
We went to mexico, uh, for oureight year wedding anniversary
and to also celebrate our babymoon.
(09:36):
You're gonna say what's a babymoon?
Um, it's to celebrate, or onelast hurrah before the baby
comes.
So last time we went to Aruba,this time we went to Mexico.
Mexico is one of Tony'sfavorite places, so we did that
with Alani.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's like my Disney World Wow.
That's a high bar Mexico isright there.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's a two and a half hour flight.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
We don't got any water in Texas and you know you
have a good time you got sun,don't any water in Texas and you
know you have a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You got something.
Say that for the Texans.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
They're gonna be like yes, we do, we just gotta drive
six hours.
I'm not driving a gavel, thatis absolutely not happening.
Um yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So we had a good time and that's why we went.
We spent a week in Mexico, andanytime we go on vacation, it is
a question of I know for somepeople of how do you manage it.
Prior to this last time we wentvacation, we were in Africa in
December for two weeks.
So when you talk about timedifference or you talk about not
(10:31):
being connected, how do wemanage that?
How are we able to do that?
And that's what we wanted todiscuss.
So what the question was,without being worried about the
business.
I think that's a trickyquestion because oh yo, what's
going on, guys?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Did you know we own a seven figure cleaning business?
I think that's a trickyquestion because, oh yo, what's
going on, guys?
Did you know?
We own a seven-figure cleaningbusiness and we use that
business in order to pay off$114,000 of debt.
We use that business to help ustravel more, save more money
and eventually becomefinancially free.
If any of that sounds good toyou, check out Cleaning Business
University, where we teach youhow to launch and scale a six
now seven-figure cleaningbusiness, and the best part
(11:05):
about it is that you do not haveto clean homes yourself.
I know that sounds crazy, butcheck out Cleaning Business
University.
We give you more in-depthinformation about that.
Check it out and we will seeyou on the other side.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
We may not be worried , but you do think about it.
I don't.
I can't imagine that you don'tthink about anything at all once
you leave the country.
Right, it's part of who you are, especially if you're a
full-time entrepreneur.
Entrepreneur, you're doing itall the time, so I can't say you
forget about it.
Do you want to check in onnumbers?
Absolutely do you have to,maybe not.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It just depends on who you are but, and even if you
think about your job, it willbe the same thing.
If you are a typical like,let's say, you clock out, your
job is done.
You're not an upper management.
You could turn your job.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You're not thinking about your job at five o'clock
yes, but if you have, I didn'tbring my work cell phone.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Exactly right you're.
I mean, you even know you havea team, but your job is
different.
So if you're an upper managermeaning you like you manage
multiple people who managemultiple teams even if you go on
vacation, you're gonna bethinking about do you need me?
What's happening?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
you'll be thinking about some aspect of your job.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
At some point so it's the same thing with your
business.
You become upper management atyour job.
You think about it on vacationbecomes part of your dna at that
point.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So that's that's one way I like to to think about it
as well and so the first thingis like I think part of it is
like how we vacation may bedifferent.
Um, like, what you like to doversus what I like to do when it
comes to vacation is a littledifferent.
Like I am, I don't really likethe beach, but just put me in
the pool.
Food, drinks all day, and Ilike excursions as well.
(12:34):
And you like the sun.
I don't like the sun.
I absolutely don't like the sun.
Okay, but you have to be in thesun in the pool.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We spend a lot of time in the sun.
No, you don't.
How are you gonna enjoy thepool without the sun?
My feet is in the water.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I got an umbrella over my head okay, um, him on
the other side, if he's like onthe computer.
Are you want to describe yourversion of vacationing?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
because yeah, so my version of vacation means that,
let's say when in a normal workweek, let's say, you work five,
ten hours.
Let me just say that vacationfor me means that you may not be
working five, 10 hours a day,but you might just clock in for
hour or 30 minutes, maybe twohours.
Right, because I think when youown a business, especially if
you own a business, you can ifyou have a remote business like
(13:17):
we do you're able to run andmanage your business from
anywhere in the world.
So you don't have to unplugcompletely, but it may be you
just clocking in for an hour.
So my version of vacation is Ican run my business from
anywhere in the world, but thenalso I'm not running my business
all day, every day.
So I did do some work onvacation and my thought is how
is that a vacation?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You're saying that the amount of hours I'm spending
is lower, so that makes it avacation.
My thing is step away,completely, like when we go on
vacation, you and Axel, you'renot doing nothing.
I'm like I am on vacation, okay, I am nothing within nine to
five and almost nothing with thenine to five and almost nothing
with the business, to be quitefrank, and we'll go deeper into
(14:01):
what that looks like and why butthat's the difference that we
have and that becomes a tug ofwar, because even that hour, um,
or whatever the case may be, Ifeel shouldn't be part of the
equation, shouldn't be part ofthe discussion, okay.
But and then that's what comeswhere you asking does vacation
equal no work?
For me yes, for you no.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It can, but it doesn't have to.
I don't think.
I don't think vacation meansthat you're completely vacating
away from your current life.
I think vacation means thatyou're.
Is that not the meaning?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What's the meaning that sounds like, that's what it
is.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I mean look up the true definition of vacation.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Is that not the meaning?
All my responsibilities are outthe door.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
The word vacation.
I might have an Ice Cube moviepop up here.
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
From what 10, 15 years ago?
What?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
is the definition?
A period spent away from homeor business in travel or
recreation, or a scheduledperiod of activity where you are
resting?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, so so for me, if you're going to be doing any
type of business work, thenyou're not resting.
But I understand, right, weunderstand one.
Am I just starting a business?
Then that may be a differentcapacity.
How big is my business?
That may be a differentcapacity.
Do you work in a business?
Do you have a business that canmake money without you being
around?
So, for Cleaning BusinessUniversity I mean sorry, for our
(15:24):
cleaning business itself wehave put things in place that it
can run without us around.
At this point, we're havingconversations about that
business specifically about anhour a week.
Having conversations about thatbusiness specifically about an
hour a week.
So we have VAs, operationsmanagers and then people above
that to make sure that all iswell.
Now, it took time to get there,right, if you're just starting
(15:45):
the business, I can't expectthat you're going to do that
because, to be frank with you,when we went to Maldives and
Dubai in 2018, you were the onestill getting the calls we had.
We was on WhatsApp, you know,and there's a eight or nine hour
difference, so did that occupythe entire day?
(16:07):
No, so it speaks to Anthony,point like but that energy is
not something that I want.
Like, I don't even want to haveto think about a client not
being satisfied, because thatcan be a different energy versus
you maybe.
Oh, just making sure.
I don't know something else inthe business that doesn't
require much energy, essentially.
So I think there's differencesto that, but I do understand if
(16:32):
there's a need for it.
However, certain times with us,that's where we're different,
that's where we kind of buttheads.
I don't feel like there's aneed for it.
However, certain times with us,that's where we different, make
you know, that's where we kindof butt heads.
I don't feel like there's aneed for it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Um, as much as anthony does, right when we went
to, when we went to dubai andwe were I remember that
distinctly that day you were, Iguess I got a picture of you you
laying in bed with a it waslike nine o'clock in the morning
.
You had a mimosa in your hand.
You was like I'm stressed outand that's.
You don't want to be at thatpoint.
But there is going to be aseason where, if you're like,
listen, I want to travel and Iwant to enjoy my life and I want
(17:04):
to have a business and I'm atthe point where I don't have the
right teams in place.
You gotta be able to.
You're not going to have to runthat business right.
But I think when you come backyou have a renewed sense of I
need to get these things inorder so that when I do go on
vacation I get to pick andchoose what I'm able to do and
(17:24):
what I don't have to do, right.
So, let's kind of talk aboutwhat are some things that you
have to you come back from avacation, like that Dubai
vacation, where that one dayjust we talked about even with
some of our students recently Iwent on vacation and there was
this one day that pissed me offand I came back and we know the
energy was different becausethey came back and said I got to
do this, this, this, this andthis.
(17:44):
Sometimes we take that stufffor granted because we are like,
oh, I'm right here or I'm neara phone or I'm near a laptop.
But what happens when you're onan excursion and you get a
phone call In the middle of thesea, yeah, and you're trying to
talk in the water to it, likethere's this me with this guy on
a laptop in the water.
He's like it's going to be meon vacation.
I'm like that's me everywhere.
(18:05):
Not funny.
But when you come back what aresome things that you have to do
so that to help you know thatthings are in the right place?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So I'm really speaking on the place we're at
now, because where we were thena year, a year and a half in the
business, you know, I knowyou're thinking about finances
and that type of stuff, butcould we have afforded it?
Probably you just don't seethat at the time.
So definitely for us, or havingsome type of assistance to
delegate the work to before itkind of gets to you right, like
(18:39):
having someone to buffer, is itan automation that is in place?
Is it a person that's in place?
You know, when it's aservice-based business, I think
you have to have a personavailable to answer those calls,
answer those issues that comein.
Um, that can be in place.
Now, if you're runningessentially I don't know a e-com
, a clothing business, maybedon't require a person for four
(19:02):
days, maybe it is automatedemail or texts or something like
that.
So I think it depends, butspecifically for the
service-based business, havingsomeone in place and delegating
and providing information tothem to some capacity.
So I know that.
I don't know if that was thevacation, but there was a point
that we told our contractorslike listen, or we maybe gave
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them the client's numbers, Ican't remember exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We did.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
This is the client number.
You only reach out to us ifthere's an issue.
You know what I mean.
Call them, leave a voicemail,text them.
If you can't get into the house, don't come to us, where we go
to them, which is generally whatwe do.
But I think we were at thatpoint now.
At that point then, like youcan just call them.
You don't need to, you don'tneed to call us for us to cause
that takes up more time, we'renot getting them, we're going
(19:50):
back and forth.
So so I would say, havingsomeone in place to handle those
issues for you.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So if you can't put someone in place, I'll talk
about from an aspect of a coupleyears ago.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So you said you can, then we just say you don't have
a person in place.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So I would think one of the things that we've seen,
even from some servicebusinesses, is like oh, I'm out
of the office.
I didn't know that you were outof the office number one.
So maybe having some sort ofsure.
So planning ahead meanscommunicating with the people
who need to know that you'regoing to be on vacation, and you
telling them you're on vacationdoesn't necessarily mean that
I'm out, I'm not going to beavailable.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I'm out of office.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I'm out of the office means I might.
It might take me a little bitlonger to respond.
So now your teams you got ateam or you got contractors or
workers or W-2s letting themknow that I won't be as readily
available as I normally am, nowthat what that does is give you
(20:46):
a buffer where it's like itmight not alleviate the
expectation, but at least theyare aware of it.
So it's not like I didn't tellyou.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
We get people that say oh, I was of it, so it's not
like I didn't tell you we getpeople as oh, I was out for this
week.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's like we didn't know that you were out just
because it's a holiday.
I don't know what you do andhow you run your business, so
letting the right people knowthat you will not be 100
available is a decent bufferwhere it might help you buy some
time back at least beginning.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You know, at the beginning, I think over time,
you probably established sometype of like vacation protocol
or like if I'm not available,this is what you do, yeah, and
which goes back to like SOPs andstuff like that.
But you may not have that inplace now.
It doesn't mean it still can'trun without you, but maybe in
this capacity, if you're usuallyin it 95% on vacation, I'm in
(21:28):
it 30%, you know, but the person, whoever you work with, or
people, even contractors orwhatever they are aware, and
that makes it easier.
And then you're able to figureout what are the things I need
in place when I'm away, which Ithink that's the biggest thing
If you answer all your calls.
Think about that.
(21:51):
If I'm on the plane or if I'm inanother country and I don't
plan to use any minutes, or Idon't plan to use WhatsApp, or I
don't have Wi-Fi, whatever,who's picking up the phones Is
your business just stopping?
So those are things you have topre um, I think, pre expect or
pre plan for at least Um, andfor us right now, the way that
we plan for that is making surethat our teams are aware and
making sure that they're clearon what to do.
(22:11):
If there is something that isyou have absolutely no idea what
to do, you do have our contact.
You can reach out to us and wewill respond.
I don't think we've been toanywhere so desolate that we
can't respond at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well, on the planes, that's another one.
So you mentioned like planningyour travel around the times
that you're.
So instead of, like, you couldfly into Dubai I don't remember
how long that flight was, butmaybe you don't take that flight
during your business hours Like, hey, I might have to take this
flight overnight.
That might be an option for youso that you don't have to miss
your entire business day.
Or you're on a phone I mean noton a phone, but you're on an
(22:46):
airplane so that might be anoption for you to planning your
actual trip where you knowyou're going to be unavailable.
Maybe that happens overnight ora weekend or off hours or
something like that.
So that might be an option.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So, letting your team know, delegating information,
preparing your team right.
So that may be a conversationthat you're having like, all
right, I'm going to need you todo this.
They may not know what this is.
They've never done it before,so make sure you prepare them as
to what your expectations are,for what you want from them
while while you're away.
Now I think about it, becausewe have two different.
(23:19):
We have multiple businesses,but the main ones that we always
really speak about is ourcleaning business specifically,
and then cleaning business.
University is another thing,right?
So, yeah, we got a littlesticky over here, um allergies
is killing me actually cleaningbusiness, where we have multiple
people in place.
cleaning business university, wedo have some people in place,
but it's not as much.
(23:39):
And the difference between thetwo is which is a question for
you can your business run ormake money without you?
And I know that's how peoplekind of measure um, a business
being efficient and kind ofrunning correctly, if you will.
For us to be frank, ourcleaning business, yes, it can
run without us.
Cleaning business university,not so much.
(24:00):
It can't really run without usbecause there's multiple ways
that we show up for it, ie thepodcast.
No one else is doing it.
No one else can replace us.
We can have guests, but no oneelse can replace us.
Content, even if you're like,well, it's just pictures, yeah,
but then you're thinking abouthow can I make it make sense for
(24:22):
the people that are watching meor following me, like how can I
put business in it or how do Iput it back to family?
That can be a capacity of it.
Then we have coaches, then wehave other people that we work
with for emails, for ads, so allthose things are, you know, ceo
or our operations manager canhelp us to a capacity, but they
(24:44):
can't necessarily run it for us.
So for Clean and BusinessUniversity, it is a business
that does require us.
It is a business that if we'renot so involved in some capacity
, maybe finances will slow down.
So I think that that's part ofthe thing, for Anthony is why
he's like, well, I'm not goingto just not work at all, because
then income may slow downtremendously.
(25:05):
And I have a mindset of I thinkit ties into the way we think
about money as to why we operateso differently.
In that regard, I feel likefour days away, five days away
isn't going to completely changeour whole trajectory of our
lifestyle and livelihood.
(25:26):
Right, there may be someseasons where it would, though
that it might do so, so you'remore hesitant about that.
But even in general, even ifwe're in a season that it's not,
I feel like you'll still be onthe computer in some way.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, I, I, I'm always going to be on the
computer.
That's not something thatthat's.
That's not something thatyou're going to have to pry out
of my hands.
Yes, it is.
One of the things that we wereable to do was we moved a lot of
our meetings to from differentdays, different times, like, all
right, we're unavailabledifferent weeks.
But there were some meetingsthat we did take, like I took,
um, you took a meeting that Iwasn't happy with yeah, I took
(25:58):
one of our coaching calls right.
That was already scheduled withour community that was fine that
was a coaching call, that wasliterally our.
And then I took another meetingthat you were like I'm not
taking a meeting, and I took it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, now well, the whole thing was, anthony had
asked me should you know, can Itake this meeting at this time,
because he won't really beknowing the schedule, the
itinerary of what we're doing,whatever.
And I'm like, oh well, no,we're not technically doing
anything, but no, you shouldn'ttake it.
Then he's like, well, whyshouldn't I take it?
I said, well, because we're onvacation.
We said yes to the coachingcall, but this one can wait till
(26:31):
Monday, tuesday, whatever, itcan wait till next week.
We don't have this call now, wedon't have to have this call
now.
And then it was a back andforth and I'm like, well, why
did you ask me?
You asked me a question, I gaveyou my answer and now you're
trying to have me change myanswer.
That is my answer.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If you're deciding to take the call, don't ask ahead.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You can't make a reaction while I'm talking,
Because I know what you're aboutto say.
So the thing is, you weren'teven on a call, so you don't
know the importance of it.
I do know the importance of it.
No, you don't oh.
God so if I give you thetrickle-down effect of me not
taking that call and waitinguntil Monday, you would go Two.
I took it on Friday, saturday,sunday.
We take the call.
We don't get started untilTuesday, wednesday Things needed
(27:18):
to be in place for Thursday ofthat week, so I took it on
Friday.
They had to be ready to go.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You took it on Thursday.
Actually, I took it on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
They had to be ready to go by that Thursday.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You wanted it to be ready to go.
It didn't have to be ready togo, right, okay?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
You got to be able to make sacrifices right, and I
sat on that meeting, I did thehour and I was done, ready to go
for the rest of the day, andthere was something that you got
to be listen.
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Speaker 1 (28:03):
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Speaker 2 (28:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You got to make decisions in your life.
You got to put your foot down.
You got to put your foot down.
Sometimes you got to take thesemeetings.
Others like and that's also todo this guy literally on the
phone and every time I saw himhe was on the phone.
I literally fall into his headlike this the whole time and I'm
like I don't want to be become.
I don't want to become one ofthose people on vacation but
every time you see me I'm on.
(28:25):
I was only on the laptop in theroom.
So I don't want to be.
I don't want to become one ofthose people where I can't enjoy
an entire vacation because I'mon the phone making business
deals or I'm closing sales orstuff like that.
Work is going to look differentfor people, that's I don't know
if he had a family, maybe hedid, I have no idea.
But every time I saw this guy hehad his phone to his head
walking around, he had earphonesin and I'm like, damn, that's
(28:47):
the whole vacation.
Every time I saw him I saw himlike at least four or five times
.
We was in the pool.
He walked through the poolkicking the water with his phone
in his hand.
Now, if you're that type ofbusiness owner, you're that type
of CEO or you're that type ofemployee, more power to you.
But you got to be able to make adecision on what you want your
life to be or you go into thelike.
Another example was Don Peeblesand his wife.
(29:08):
His wife said if you don't knowwho Don Peebles is huge
business mogul, billionaire orclose to being a billionaire.
He has a billion dollars of atleast assets, right.
And his wife said when we goout to eat, every single version
of our life is work.
And she said I knew that comingin and I signed up for this
life.
She said we go out to eat,we're on our phones, we try to
(29:30):
have some family time, butthat's what I signed up for and
it was like I watched hisinterview.
I know I never said you did, I'mjust putting it out there.
But you have to be mindful ofsometimes those are the super
ambitious people that if you tryto pry that away from them,
they would rather you go awaythan their business go away.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right.
Is that what you're saying?
No, it is a balance of and I.
What also makes it difficult isthe fact that we have these
okay, good and bad that I couldwork from anywhere in the world.
But also, how do you turnthings off with this Cause?
That's a, I think, a biggerthing for you as well.
Just turning it off because youcould be like, well, I'm just
scrolling on Instagram, butyou're scrolling on every
(30:09):
business thing, and then youwant to bring it up to me, so
then it becomes work, like, oh,I just saw this, and then it
becomes work.
Right, me, I'm scrollingInstagram about nothing of
importance, nothing businesswise, and if I send it, I'm like
we could talk about it anothertime.
I don't need to talk about itin that moment.
So I think you need to becognizant as well as to what you
(30:29):
want your life really to looklike when vacation and when not
on vacation, because even athome, we have to find that
balance of yeah, you know we'redone here, we're moving on from
this conversation or whateverthe case may be, and so it's the
same thing on vacation ofhaving to nip it.
Now we can.
I can be frank with you thathaving to even nip it on
(30:50):
vacation can be annoying, it canbe frustrating, like why do I
have to tell you that we onvacation and this can rest?
But I think, like you said, itdepends on the person, like you
know, the person that you'rewith, and how they operate and
maybe what they're trying towork through, work towards and I
think a point that you broughtup with the guy just now is
almost a billionaire issometimes I see other people,
(31:11):
other entrepreneurs, that theylike I'm like wow, always on
live, they're always doing this,they're always doing that, and
I'm like I, they make the moneythey, they do because of how
hard their work.
I can see how hard their workand I don't want to do that.
You know, I don't want to workthat hard.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm not saying I don't want money, but maybe I
don't want that much moneybecause I'm not willing to put
in that much work, so I thinkalso having that understanding
as well.
How much money do you want tomake and how much do you really
want to work so, him being a?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
so if you're a billionaire, we are people's
being a billionaire is likeobviously you know there is no
what I'm doing there is noturning off.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So yeah, that was.
That was actually a questionthat somebody was asking do you
really want to be a billionaire?
And it was like what does beinga billionaire entail?
Yeah, how many teams, how manymanagers, how many meeting
businesses.
How many like you have toreally recognize when you talk
about these numbers that peoplehave and it's like we got these.
You're not wearing your shirttoday, but it was like my shirt.
The shirt was a blackbillionaire in the making do you
(32:07):
really want to be a blackbillionaire in the making?
Black billionaire in the making.
Do you really want to be ablack billionaire in the making?
I think about which I want to.
Do you want to have all thatresponsibility?
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
And does that mean when you go on vacation?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
your responsibilities turn off.
So we were talking about justyour responsibilities change
probably, responsibilitieschange, and we're talking about
things like you do If you wantto take a vacation and when
you're owning a business andyou've been managed, so planning
ahead taking vacation duringslower periods, if you know,
listen, my business is.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I don't know how I feel about that one, but what do
you mean?
Taking vacation during slowerperiods, like when I.
I think that constricts thewhole freedom side of it for me
of being able to pick up and go,because a vacation may be
mexico but a vacation may be aweekend in new york with family
yeah, so um taking vacationduring slower periods can be
something you put in place.
I am just not a fan of it andit's not something that we
(32:52):
follow, I should say.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Establishing vacation protocols.
So we spoke about telling ouroperation manager, telling our
teams like we're going to beunavailable during these times
mostly, but if you do need us inan emergency.
That's another thing too.
You don't want to make yourteam so afraid to reach out to
you.
But then also we find thatpeople are they baby?
They're not baby.
They micromanage their team somuch that they have to come to
(33:14):
you for everything.
So if you say hey, um, if Imicromanage you and I tell you
you don't come to me now, I'mdefinitely not coming to you for
nothing because I don't havethe ability to make a decision
now, I'm afraid to make thewrong decision.
So you don't want tomicromanage your team where they
don't feel comfortable.
But then also you want to putthem in position to be ready
before you need the vacation too.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, and before you move on to that, while you were
listing stuff, when you werespeaking about um, billionaires
and how hard do you really wantto work?
I am.
I watch the kardashians.
I know some of you.
I don't let me go back to thatbecause I was wanted to say a
point before he was on to thatand I just thought about how the
amount of things that I knowkim kardashian does to her
siblings like complain aboutabout how hard she works and all
(33:55):
the things that she does andI'm like, well, that's probably
why she is close to I don't knowif she's at billionaire status
at this point or close to it,whatever the case may be because
of how hard she works.
Now her sisters are like I justrather be home with my kids,
like I don't want to be doingall that.
It just shows that difference.
She's like I thrive with, justkeep working, to keep working.
I thrive with the challenge.
So it's just different people,different strokes of like what
(34:19):
do you really want out of life?
And really having thatunderstanding of what it takes
to get there is important.
I think that also plays intovacation.
Are you taking a vacation Ifyou feel like if I leave, I have
to shut everything down?
Maybe not, maybe not, or maybeyou are, maybe like it is what
it, is what it is.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I think it is determined by your level of
ambition too, yeah, so I thinkwe're ambitious people, and I
don't.
You're more ambitious than I am.
I'm definitely more so if wetalk about like the kardashians
as an example, and you could saywhatever you want about them.
Kim Kardashian is veryambitious, right?
She has a family.
She's going for a law degree.
She does acting now.
She has her product line nowand you're like, how much more
(35:00):
can a person really do or need?
And it's like not about theneed, no-transcript.
That's the level of ambitionthat some people strive to be
Now.
(35:20):
For them, vacation is not thesame as for most people.
Your vacation means that Imight be working.
Instead of me working 12 hours,10 hours a day, I might be
working five, six.
So you have to determine howsuccessful you want to be.
But then also, can you everturn off that level of ambition?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's really hard for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
That's hard for you, would you say.
I think it's hard for me.
I don't think I'm the type ofperson that I became a
billionaire.
I just stopped doing you haveto stay there, right.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Let we have to stay there, right.
Let's say I can stay abillionaire.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
What does that mean for me?
I'm probably going to try tofigure it out.
So here's what it is.
Here's what it is.
You can see people's level ofambition by what they do after
they make money.
So you see people who sell offtheir companies, right, let's
say, like I was listening tothis podcast about what was the
guy's name from MySpace, tom Tompodcast about um, what?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
was the guy's name from myspace tom tom.
Tom sells, not having a lastname, but you know who he is.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Tom spells of myspace and he doesn't do anything else
but how much did he sell it for?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I feel like I saw a number and I didn't feel like it
was too much tom sold it to begood for the rest of his life.
Let's go okay, how much did?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I thought I saw like 18 million.
I don't how much did tom sellmyspace for.
Tom sold MySpace for 580million dollars.
Oh, okay, that's a differentnumber, so that's life-changing
money where you don't have to doanything else.
You know what he does.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
No, what, nothing else.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I'm like I don't know , Does that mean that he does
like photography and he doeslike a little bit of?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
this he does what he loves he travels.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
That's what he loves.
He traveled People kind of spothim and they'll post all that.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean to get $500 million in MySpace 20 years.
I don't know when he sold it,how long, I don't know that was
about 20 years ago, 20 years ago.
That's a pretty great deal,because right now it'll probably
be a billion.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
So does that mean that he's not ambitious?
He retired.
He's literally the definitionof a person that stopped doing
everything and just traveltaking pictures.
Taking his Instagram page isjust like like you literally go
to his Instagram page.
That's exciting.
Let's go to.
Let's go to Tom's Instagrampage If I type in Tom he is me I
am him.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I got the money I need.
I'm done, and maybe he is doingthings that we don't have any
idea about.
He's just not um my space, tom.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
MySpace Tom 668,000 followers.
His last post was April 26thand he's just literally.
Let me go to his page.
Look Beautiful pictures.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Beautiful pictures Traveling the way I would love
to travel.
So he's a photographer,literally a photographer like
editing pictures.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Did he take these pictures?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
This is him 2017, 2018.
Okay, he's not that active.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
No, he's not active, but does that mean he's not
ambitious?
No, he's not acting, but doesthat mean he's not ambitious?
Or there's different levels ofit.
Right, most people sell acompany.
They wait a couple of days,wait a couple of weeks, maybe
wait a couple of years and startanother company.
I'm taking all that money goingto roll it into another company
.
So you have to determine howsuccessful you want to be, based
on your level of ambition.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, I would agree.
All right, so you werelistening.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
sorry, so we talked about established vacation
protocol, letting your teamsknow delegating your work, if
you can.
We talked about preparing yourteam for vacation and letting
clients know about your vacationtoo.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, that's something that I find that
people don't do.
It's kind of like why wouldn'tyou just say that you're out?
I don't know, it's something sobasic.
It reminds me of simply justpicking up the phone.
You'll make it further in life.
When it comes to service-basedbusiness, it's something so
simple, but people don't do it.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Put an out-of-office on yeah.
I don't know or just massmessaging all your clients via
email hey, I'm going to beunavailable for the next 24, 48
hours, going on vacation, butgive me I'll be, I'll have my
team respond to you, orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I'm choosing a second in command for urgent issues,
if you're able to do so, if notjust preparing the team in
general, and you are the first,second and third in command.
And then, lastly, it's likerest and relax.
So I think what we've got outof this conversation is what is
rest and relax.
Look like to you.
So obviously, for me it'sliterally bye, bye America.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I am somewhere else.
So Janoka sells a company for580 million.
She is not doing anything else.
You're a Tom.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I'm literally a Tom yeah let's be fair.
I am definitely Tom, I'm notdenying that and I'm fine with
that.
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'm.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Tom, I'm definitely not Tom.
Your rest and relax is justworking less.
So working is working less andthen doing some relaxing and not
being in the sun, in the pool,whatever.
So I think, defining that foryourself and maybe the person
that you're with, so you have abetter understanding when you do
go on vacation.
(39:36):
So, yeah, we we take manyvacations.
We'll see how it goes.
Uh, as we have a second childcoming, I don't know what the
cadence will be at that time,but at when we had Alani, we
took a lot of vacations and wehad all of all of these
businesses going and we wereable to manage it and so on and
so forth.
We continue to do so.
So we just wanted to kind ofspeak on how we do it.
What is the real about?
It's not like nothing ishappening at all, but it is
(39:59):
definitely lessened.
Nothing is happening for me,but it's definitely lessened in
how quickly we show up, how manymeetings we have.
Those types of things are movedand changed when it comes to
that.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So, yeah, don't wait for your next vacation to talk
about to start planning whatyour business is going to look
like.
Try to plan what your businesswill look like before that
vacation.
So start getting some things inorder beforehand and if you're
like Janoka and Tom, make yourmoney, go on vacation, close the
laptop and just enjoy life.
If you're like me, we're goingto sell that company and start a
new one, I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
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Be sure to leave us a review orsubscribe wherever you're
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Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Appreciate you guys watching us.
See you next week, peace, peace.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
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