August 9, 2025 • 29 mins
A monumental clash between religious liberty and medical authority erupted last week when the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommended eliminating all religious exemptions for vaccines required for school attendance. Dr. Robert Jackson and his daughter Hannah Miller dive deep into why this recommendation represents a dangerous overreach that threatens fundamental constitutional rights.
The conversation opens with a crucial revelation: the AAP holds absolutely no legal authority. Despite its official-sounding name, it's merely a private membership organization that receives substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies manufacturing vaccines. This glaring conflict of interest explains why the organization would push to eliminate exemptions that represent financial losses to pediatric practices nationwide.
Religious freedom stands as the foundation of all American liberties, protected explicitly by the First Amendment and reinforced by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. When schools or employers attempt to override religious exemptions for vaccines, they engage in illegal discrimination. Dr. Jackson emphasizes that religious beliefs are deeply personal and require no validation from religious leaders or institutions—your "sincerely held religious conviction" is legally sufficient and beyond question.
The episode offers practical, empowering guidance for parents facing institutional pressure. With remarkable clarity, Dr. Jackson outlines a respectful yet firm approach to assert your rights: request to see anti-discrimination policies, ask about exemption committee members' training in non-discrimination law, and even request religious statements from those judging your exemption. These simple steps typically resolve issues without legal intervention.
Perhaps most chilling is the historical context provided through Benjamin Rush's prophetic warning that without constitutional protection for medical freedom, medicine would organize into "an undercover dictatorship." As medical bureaucracies increasingly limit individual choice, we're witnessing the very scenario the founding father feared.
Stand firm in defense of your constitutional rights while navigating vaccine requirements. Whether you're a parent facing school registration challenges or an employee dealing with workplace mandates, this episode equips you with the knowledge to protect your religious liberty and medical autonomy.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more
than enough for the ills thatplague our culture and our
country Hosted by author andphysician, dr Robert Jackson,
and his wife Carlotta anddaughter Hannah Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm delighted to have inthe studio with me today my
lovely daughter, ms HannahMiller.
Lovely daughter, ms HannahMiller.
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She's with the Hannah MillerShow and she's going to be
asking a few questions and we'regoing to be going through
something that happened thisweek with the American
Association of Pediatricians anda statement that they made
about.
That affects religiousliberties, and so I'm going to
throw it over to Hannah.
Let her bring us up to speed onsomething that happened this
last week.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
So tell us what was.
So they put out a statement.
It was, of course, on socialmedia, among other places.
And what was the officialrecommendations Because that's
what it's, I guess, is theproper term is that it was a
recommendation of the AAP.
That happened this last week.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, their official recommendation was that they
recommended that all states,territories and districts of the
District of Columbia eliminateall non-medical exemptions from
immunizations as a condition ofschool attendance.
In addition, states andterritories should develop
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policies to ensure that anymedical exemption is appropriate
and evidence-based.
Now, what they're basicallysaying is that religious
exemptions should go by thewayside.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
They're knocking, throwing those out completely,
and then they're also saying thesecond part of that is that
medical exemptions are going tobe narrower and they're going to
be heavily scrutinized.
And so this was theirrecommendation.
Yeah, and of course this youknow, sent our flags up and we
had a lot of thoughts about allthis.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yes, we sure did, and so first thing is who cares
what the American Academy?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
of Nutrition says yeah, does this carry any weight
for folks?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
No, no, no, it really doesn't.
And let me tell you why.
Who cares what the AAP says orthinks?
First of all, they have a veryserious conflict of interest.
Conflict of interest In thelast year, there's been a
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dramatic decrease in parentsaccepting immunizations for the
last two years for theirchildren, and we all understand
that COVID pulled the blindersoff a lot of parents in regards
to the safety and effectivenessof immunizations.
Regards to the safety andeffectiveness of immunizations,
and because of that reason, lotsof parents are no longer
submitting their children toimmunizations of any kind,
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pediatric vaccines included.
Well, that, I think, is theimpetus for the AAP American
Association of Pediatriciansissuing a statement like this,
and it's because there's a floodof parents saying to their
pediatricians no doctor, wedon't want our children to
receive immunizations.
Now think about it.
What is the bread and butter ofa pediatric doctor's?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
office.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh, it's the immunizations, it's
immunizations, because everyyear 4 million children are born
in the United States and thatmeans there's 4 million new
children that go into pediatricdoctor office and family
practice doctor's offices too,for that matter that are going
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to be receiving pediatricimmunizations.
So that's bread and butter forpediatric doctors, family
practice doctors, nursepractitioners, physician
assistants all of whom prescribeand provide immunizations and
provide immunizations.
And so when, all of a sudden,huge numbers of parents are
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saying we decline, we're notwanting our children to get
immunizations, well, that hurtsthem financially.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, then they got to rely on the flus and the
colds and those are things thatgo ebb and flow and they're
seasonal, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Immunizations is year round.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, and they can schedule those in because they
know, you know, they know whenthis child is x amount of months
old and then x amount of monthsold, and so they have that
consistency in that schedule andoh boy, isn't that really nice
that's exactly right, you knowwell.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
But what's the conflict of interest?
Well, the aap is funded orreceives huge grants from,
moderna, pfizer, sanofi, all ofthese pharmaceutical companies
that do what they manufacturepediatric vaccines, and so it's
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very self-serving for the AAP tocrack down on pediatric
religious exemptions and evenmedical exemptions.
And it's also a conflict ofinterest because they receive
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the organization receives hugegrants from pharmaceutical
immunization manufacturers.
Now who cares what the AAP says?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
They're not a government entity.
Do they have any legalauthority?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They don't have any legal authority.
You have to understand that theAAP is a private member,
private member organization.
Pediatricians pay dues to be amember of the AAP and in turn
the AAP lobbies the federalgovernment for the 17,000
pediatricians in the UnitedStates, many of whom are members
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not all, but many of thepediatricians are members of the
AAP pay their dues and in turnthe AAP lobbies the federal
government for their members.
But they're not a federalentity, they're not a government
entity and they don't have anyright to say to parents you may
not have a religious exemption.
They don't have any moreauthority than the American
Society of Uppity Women United.
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So parents can ignorecompletely the AAP when they say
you can't have a religiousexemption.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You see, and if your child's pediatrician tries to
bring this out to you andpressure you with the AAP, you
now can look at them and be like, look, they don't have any
legal authority, I have noobligation to them whatsoever,
none whatsoever.
So why would the AAP beconcerned at all with religious
exemptions?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
What I just said.
Yeah, it represents for them afinancial loss.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Religious exemptions represents to pediatric doctors
across the nation a financialloss.
That's all it is.
It's a bottom line.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, always come down to that, don't it?
And that's what they'reconcerned about.
So why is religious freedom,though, so critical?
Why do you see this as such animportant thing?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well, religious freedom is the foundation of all
other freedoms, and if you andI, as God-fearing,
right-thinking citizens in theUnited States, begin to lose
even one particle of ourreligious freedom, then
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everything begins to crumble.
So it's imperative that westand shoulder to shoulder, back
to back, and defend ourreligious freedom.
We shouldn't let any part ofour religious freedom be taken
away from us.
The very first amendment of theUnited States Constitution
protects this right.
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Congress shall make no lawrespecting an establishment of
religion or prohibiting the freeexercise thereof.
And that means we in thiscountry have the right to
believe, which means we canthink what we want and we can
believe what we want.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And look, beliefs are not facts, beliefs yeah,
there's a lot of people whobelieve a lot of things and you
and I would look at him and say,well, that's not true.
You can believe it, but it'snot true.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And we have the right to not believe.
All right, you see Right, andso uh and I.
It is totally out of bounds fora school or an employer to look
at my patients and say well,you have to bring to me
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something from your pastor oryour church that validates that
you are a faithful attender andthat what you believe is in
concert with what yourdenomination or your church
believes.
That's not true.
That's totally out of bounds,because my beliefs are personal
and my beliefs do not have to bein accord with any church or
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any denomination, or even withmy pastor.
My belief is personal.
It is my sincerely heldpersonal religious conviction.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, and here's my question too, what other medical
procedure out there ormedication is there out there
where you have to prove to yourdoctor that you don't want to
have it when, no, I don't want?
That is not enough, that'sright, it's nowhere else.
Just immunizations, justimmunizations.
Immunizations is the only onewhere they basically hold your
child hostage and they and theyand you have to give them
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reasons for why you do not wanta medication, whereas everything
else out there.
We have to twist our doctor'sarms, we have to twist the
insurance arms to get provisionfor it, we have to beg for
medications for certain thingsand and and they're.
You know we it's make.
They make it so difficultsometimes, but yet when it comes
to immunizations, it's totallyflipped around and your no is
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not enough.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's right my, my patients decline uh medications
all the time.
They don't want statin drugsand they they may not want a
blood thinner, they may not wanta transfusion, and all they
have to do is say no.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And you don't look at them and say, well, you need to
go to your church and I need tomake sure.
How ludicrous is that?
I?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
respect entirely their decision to say no.
And this whole thing aboutimmunizations is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It is ridiculous and I think we've just been so,
we're just so used to it,especially, I think, my
generation and a little bitolder-ish where we were.
You know, we came up throughand everybody was just getting
them and so it was just a partof life.
And you know the immunizationswere and everybody just knew you
go into school, everybody gotthe immunizations.
Of course I was homeschooled sothings were different for me,
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but it was still a part, verymuch a large part, of our
culture was to get theimmunizations.
Nobody asked any questions.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Nobody challenged it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, nobody challenged it, and so when it
just became this required thing,it was just everybody was
already doing it like okay,whatever, and it just wasn't a
thing.
And then now, all of a sudden,it's like the veil has been
lifted and people are lookingaround and saying wait a minute,
you don't have any right totell me that I can't refuse a
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medication.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Your right to speak, think and believe the way you
want to is protected by thesupreme law of the land, which
is the Constitution.
But suddenly, that's not enough.
Now watch this In 1964,congress passed the Civil Rights
Act and that's when theseprotections were spelled out
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even more clearly.
And why did that happen?
Well, it's because blackstudents weren't being allowed
into white schools.
People were being refused jobsor housing or equal access to
society based on race, color andreligion.
That's why the Civil Rights Actlaid it all out and it said you
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have the right to vote withoutdiscrimination, the right to
work or apply for a job withoutdiscrimination, the right to go
to school any school, includinga training school, training
program without discrimination,and the right to operate in
society without being punishedbecause of your age, religion,
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race or ethnicity.
Now, if a parent is told thattheir child can't attend school
because they object to a shot onreligious grounds, that is
illegal, plain and simple it'sillegal.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So that's what you would tell a patient if they
came in to you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Exactly right and it violates the First Amendment.
It also violates Title IV ofthe Civil Rights Act and it
violates the most basicprinciples of ethics and freedom
.
But it still happens All thetime, all the time in schools.
And oh, I got so many friendswho they're, the schools and the
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doctors.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Just shame them, browbeat them.
I mean pediatricians officesthat won't even take them as
patients, that's right becausethey won't keep them.
They, yeah they say if youdon't get your immunizations, we
you know you can't be a patient.
You know why because they gotto make room for other kids who
will take the medications to getthe immunizations.
Because they get kickbacks,they get, and so they want to
make sure.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The pharmaceutical.
No, the insurance companies paypediatricians and some family
doctors a bonus.
They reach a certain percentageof their pediatric population
that gets vaccinated and theyget a bonus at the end of the
year.
And so if you say to them we'renot going to take the vaccine?
They'll kick you out of theirpractice because it hurts their
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percentage.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That's right.
Not only do they not get themoney from giving you the
vaccine itself, but they alsodon't get the kickbacks that
they get from the insuranceswhen their whole practice gets.
So they get a twofold and, andso that's why you know, that's
why you're more and more you'rerealizing why it's so important
to these doctors um, to you know, for them to be backing this
and why they try to browbeat youand shame you into all of this.
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And I hate it for my friendswho deal with this.
I mean I'm just super blessedbecause my kids are able to come
to your office and I knowpeople are beating down the
doors because they're trying tofind doctors like yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I still have patients come into my office who are
disgusted with their doctor, whothey've seen for 20 or 30 years
, that is trying to compel themto get a COVID vaccine that they
don't want, or has dismissedthem from their pediatric
practice because they declined apediatric vaccine, and it just
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hurts my heart so much.
Listen, our medical freedom andour personal autonomy is being
stolen and we have to stand upand stand firm for our First
Amendment rights.
Now, watch this.
I want to read you a quote fromBenjamin Rush.
Wow, now listen to this.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He said this way back in the 17th this is the first
Surgeon General, right SurgeonGeneral the first Surgeon
General of the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
He was a physician, a social reformer in Philadelphia
.
He was a signer of theDeclaration of Independence and
the first Surgeon General in theContinental Army.
Now you pay attention to whathe said.
Unless we put medical freedominto the Constitution, the time
will come when medicine willorganize into an undercover
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dictatorship to restrict the artof healing to one class of men
and to deny the privileges tothe others.
The Constitution of theRepublic should make special
privileges for medical freedomsas well as religious freedoms.
Now, I'm sure he didn't claim tobe a prophet or the son of a
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prophet, but I'm telling you hiswords were prophetic, because
that's exactly what has happenedin the United States All these
years later.
Anthony Fauci, the CDC and theFDA has organized itself into an
undercover dictatorship and ithas preserved the right of
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medical freedom to a small groupof doctors and bureaucrats,
freedom to a small group ofdoctors and bureaucrats, and it
has excluded those freedoms fromcertain citizens and certain
medical professionals.
And we've heard of medicalprofessionals who lost their
credentials and their licensesand the privilege to practice
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medicine because they weredissenters, like over the COVID
vaccine.
And I'm promising you right nowthat there will be some doctors
who are going to lose theirprivileges because they dissent
from pediatric vaccines, and ifRobert F Kennedy doesn't really
stand up and stand strong for us, you're going to see that
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happening.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Just mark my words.
It really does.
You know, I'd like to you know.
This statement goes out and andand the concern for me for for
everybody it should be even morethan because there may be
somebody who's listening to thisshow who says, well, I'm not a
Christian, I would have neverused a religious exemption
anyway.
This is all neither here northere.
Well, of course you and I wouldsay well, you should be, it's
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still, as a good American, youunderstand the fact that
religious and having that FirstAmendment is imperative for you
because it means that the UnitedStates is not going to force
any religion on you.
But even that aside is thesecond part of their statement,
which is that they're going tobe scrutinizing even more any
kind of medical exemption thatyou might get.
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And it's already complicatedenough for moms and dads to get
their children the help thatthey need for certain things.
I mean, I see people every weekwho are just fighting with
their doctors to help get theirchild Somebody sent me a message
literally last night about thisand their child not able to get
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the treatment that they needbecause of insurance companies
and doctor's offices and it justbeing such a convoluted mess.
And you want to add this in too.
Yeah, that's right.
You really want to add this intoo.
And they're saying well, we'renow going to be scrutinizing
medical exemptions even morethan we already do.
Who do you think you are?
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That's just absolutely right.
Well, I think I don't know.
Was there something else thatyou wanted to add?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's pretty much all the questions that I
specifically had written downthat I wanted to ask.
Let me make a couple thingsclear All right.
I want my listeners tounderstand that you have the
right to a religious exemption.
That is your constitutionalright and don't let anybody tell
you differently.
And in simple terms, you're theone who informs your employer
or the school that they arelegally obligated to work with
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you to find an accommodation.
All right, if you're notwanting that immunization.
They are obliged to find anaccommodation that does not
conflict with you and yourreligious beliefs.
It's your individual right tobelieve and hold those beliefs
and or objections and it doesn'thave to be approved by anybody.
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Now, remember this statement.
Fix this in your little peabrains out there.
Listen to me my sincerely heldreligious conviction.
That's the only thing you haveto say to the school or your
doctor or your employer.
Say to the school or yourdoctor or your employer my
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sincerely held religiousconviction is such and such.
You don't have to elaborate anymore than that.
That's all you ever have to say, and the school or your
employer has to honor that.
No man, no employer, has theright to judge that statement.
No man, no employer has theright to judge that statement,
period.
Now let me go a little furtherthan that.
If somebody says to you andthis happens all the time we
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accept the fact that youdeclined all your other
immunizations, but to go tocollege you have to take the
meningitis vaccine.
I hear that all the time.
That's like an employer lookingat you and say you're going to
have to sleep with me to stay,to be employed here.
And then you say look, no, I'mnot sleeping with you and I'm
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not going to be.
I'm not trying to be crass, butI'm trying to help you
understand.
Well, then the employer says,okay, you don't have to sleep
with me, but you have to takeyour top off.
Yeah, that's exactly what theschool system is saying to
students who've refused allvaccines.
But they say, well, that's okay, but you still got to take the
meningitis vaccine.
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That's crazy talk.
That's a violation of theirconstitutional rights.
That's like saying to Jewishfolks well, you don't have to
eat the ham sandwiches, butyou're going to have to eat the
bacon bits at lunch.
That's a violation of theirreligious convictions and that's
foolishness.
That's crazy talk.
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Listen, you don't have to takeany immunizations if it's a
violation of your sincerely heldreligious convictions.
And don't let anybody push youover the line.
Now let me give you anotherlittle bit of understanding here
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.
If people want to push you andthey're not willing to accept
that statement, then I want youto go to the next thing.
First of all, always be politeand always be respectful, and
this is the way to say it.
You make a very simple, politestatement.
May I say this veryrespectfully I am exempt from
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this policy based on mysincerely held religious belief.
Say that very simply.
If you want to go beyond that,then and if they continue to
push you, then you will say thisto them I want you to
understand that you'rediscriminating against me and I
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want to see your policy, theschool or the company that you
work for.
I want to see your policyagainst discrimination because,
you see, every school and everyemployer has a statement
somewhere that says we have zerotolerance for discrimination.
That's right, everybody's gotthat, everybody has that.
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And you say I want to see yourstatement of against
discrimination.
And then you go one morestatement further than that and
you say I want to see yourvaccine exemption committee or
individual.
I want to know who they are andI want to know what their
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training is in Title VII orTitle IV non-discrimination law,
all right.
And when you say that they'regoing to be bum-fuzzled because
probably nobody's ever askedthat from them.
But that's your prerogative,that's your privilege, and let
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me say that again.
You look at them and say I wantto know the name of the
individual or committee andtheir roles and their training
in Title VII or Title IVnon-discrimination law.
And then here's the finalbiggie I want a religious
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statement from every member ofthat committee.
Now, why do you want to do that?
Because if everybody on thecommittee is an atheist and
you're a Christian, you want toknow that, don't you?
Or if everybody's a Protestantand you're Jewish, you would
want to know that, don't you?
Or if everybody's a Protestantand you're Jewish, you would
want to know that, wouldn't you?
So you tell them I want to knowa religious statement from
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everybody on that committee.
Now, there's no lawyersinvolved.
Up to this point, all you'redoing is asking simple questions
and religious I'm sorry thingsthat are your prerogative to
know as a citizen of the UnitedStates.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So because why should they be able to query you on
your?
Religious exemption if you'renot even allowed to ask them
well, what's your religiousstatement?
Because they're all going tobow up and they're going to back
off and they'll say that's notany of your business, and you
say that's right, and this isnot any of your business.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
They're asking you to divulge your sincerely held
religious belief.
Well, if they're going to dothat, then you have the
prerogative to ask them theindividual or committee their
religious position.
All right, now I'm just goingto tell my listeners right up
front if you do those three orfour simple things, they're
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going to fold, they're going tocapitulate, because they know
that you know the Constitution,they know that you know your
rights and they're not going towant to get a lawyer involved.
They don't want to spend themoney on a lawyer to fight
against you when you're clearlyin the right and you clearly
have your constitutionalposition understood.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And parents have to do this.
You have to be as kind and asconsiderate as you can be in
these interactions, but you haveto stand your ground, because
we're where we're at now becauseof folks not standing their
ground and the government, theAAP they have to grant you the
accommodation they have to bylaw grant you an accommodation.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
They may not realize it up front, but if you're very
polite, very firm, veryrespectful and you explain it to
people step by step, they'regoing to realize that they're up
against a wall.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And a lot of folks who are in that position.
You know you're looking acrossat the front desk lady.
You know, she has no clue.
She's just been told thateverybody's got to get this shot
.
She doesn't know theConstitution, she doesn't know
the law, she doesn't know any ofthis stuff, and so she's just
trying to get the paperwork done.
She's just trying to get thepaperwork done, she's just
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trying to get everybody shuffledthrough.
And it's going to, andunfortunately you got to be the
cog in the wheel, and nobodylikes to be the cog in the wheel
.
But you could be the nicest,prettiest cog in the wheel that
you possibly can be in thatmoment, all right, but you've
got to be the cog becausesomebody's got to point out to
her hey, this is not legal, youcan't do this and then she's
gonna to and she's never heardthat in her whole life.
Yeah, she's not heard that, orif she has nobody's really
carefully or clearly explainedit to her.
And you know, because I'm surethat there's more and more of
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these folks who are getting thisnow Because, as you've already
pointed out at the beginning ofthe show, more and more parents
are not getting theimmunizations.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
They're not complying , that they're not complying and
they're declining, and you canbe the very first one in your
school or at your place ofemployment and understand
clearly.
It is your constitutional right.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
All right, that's the end of our program.
Tonight You're listening toMore Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson.
My co-host today is my lovelydaughter, Ms Hannah Miller.
I encourage you to listen tothe Hannah Miller Show.
She has lots of wonderfulinformation and I'll be back
again with you next week.
Until then, may the Lord blessyou real good.
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biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm delighted to have inthe studio with me today my
lovely daughter, ms HannahMiller.
Lovely daughter, ms HannahMiller.
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She's with the Hannah MillerShow and she's going to be
asking a few questions and we'regoing to be going through
something that happened thisweek with the American
Association of Pediatricians anda statement that they made
about.
That affects religiousliberties, and so I'm going to
throw it over to Hannah.
Let her bring us up to speed onsomething that happened this
last week.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
So tell us what was.
So they put out a statement.
It was, of course, on socialmedia, among other places.
And what was the officialrecommendations Because that's
what it's, I guess, is theproper term is that it was a
recommendation of the AAP.
That happened this last week.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Well, their official recommendation was that they
recommended that all states,territories and districts of the
District of Columbia eliminateall non-medical exemptions from
immunizations as a condition ofschool attendance.
In addition, states andterritories should develop
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policies to ensure that anymedical exemption is appropriate
and evidence-based.
Now, what they're basicallysaying is that religious
exemptions should go by thewayside.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
They're knocking, throwing those out completely,
and then they're also saying thesecond part of that is that
medical exemptions are going tobe narrower and they're going to
be heavily scrutinized.
And so this was theirrecommendation.
Yeah, and of course this youknow, sent our flags up and we
had a lot of thoughts about allthis.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yes, we sure did, and so first thing is who cares
what the American Academy?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
of Nutrition says yeah, does this carry any weight
for folks?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
No, no, no, it really doesn't.
And let me tell you why.
Who cares what the AAP says orthinks?
First of all, they have a veryserious conflict of interest.
Conflict of interest In thelast year, there's been a
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dramatic decrease in parentsaccepting immunizations for the
last two years for theirchildren, and we all understand
that COVID pulled the blindersoff a lot of parents in regards
to the safety and effectivenessof immunizations.
Regards to the safety andeffectiveness of immunizations,
and because of that reason, lotsof parents are no longer
submitting their children toimmunizations of any kind,
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pediatric vaccines included.
Well, that, I think, is theimpetus for the AAP American
Association of Pediatriciansissuing a statement like this,
and it's because there's a floodof parents saying to their
pediatricians no doctor, wedon't want our children to
receive immunizations.
Now think about it.
What is the bread and butter ofa pediatric doctor's?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
office.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh, it's the immunizations, it's
immunizations, because everyyear 4 million children are born
in the United States and thatmeans there's 4 million new
children that go into pediatricdoctor office and family
practice doctor's offices too,for that matter that are going
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to be receiving pediatricimmunizations.
So that's bread and butter forpediatric doctors, family
practice doctors, nursepractitioners, physician
assistants all of whom prescribeand provide immunizations and
provide immunizations.
And so when, all of a sudden,huge numbers of parents are
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saying we decline, we're notwanting our children to get
immunizations, well, that hurtsthem financially.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, then they got to rely on the flus and the
colds and those are things thatgo ebb and flow and they're
seasonal, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Immunizations is year round.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, and they can schedule those in because they
know, you know, they know whenthis child is x amount of months
old and then x amount of monthsold, and so they have that
consistency in that schedule andoh boy, isn't that really nice
that's exactly right, you knowwell.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
But what's the conflict of interest?
Well, the aap is funded orreceives huge grants from,
moderna, pfizer, sanofi, all ofthese pharmaceutical companies
that do what they manufacturepediatric vaccines, and so it's
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very self-serving for the AAP tocrack down on pediatric
religious exemptions and evenmedical exemptions.
And it's also a conflict ofinterest because they receive
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the organization receives hugegrants from pharmaceutical
immunization manufacturers.
Now who cares what the AAP says?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
They're not a government entity.
Do they have any legalauthority?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
They don't have any legal authority.
You have to understand that theAAP is a private member,
private member organization.
Pediatricians pay dues to be amember of the AAP and in turn
the AAP lobbies the federalgovernment for the 17,000
pediatricians in the UnitedStates, many of whom are members
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not all, but many of thepediatricians are members of the
AAP pay their dues and in turnthe AAP lobbies the federal
government for their members.
But they're not a federalentity, they're not a government
entity and they don't have anyright to say to parents you may
not have a religious exemption.
They don't have any moreauthority than the American
Society of Uppity Women United.
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So parents can ignorecompletely the AAP when they say
you can't have a religiousexemption.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You see, and if your child's pediatrician tries to
bring this out to you andpressure you with the AAP, you
now can look at them and be like, look, they don't have any
legal authority, I have noobligation to them whatsoever,
none whatsoever.
So why would the AAP beconcerned at all with religious
exemptions?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
What I just said.
Yeah, it represents for them afinancial loss.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Religious exemptions represents to pediatric doctors
across the nation a financialloss.
That's all it is.
It's a bottom line.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, always come down to that, don't it?
And that's what they'reconcerned about.
So why is religious freedom,though, so critical?
Why do you see this as such animportant thing?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well, religious freedom is the foundation of all
other freedoms, and if you andI, as God-fearing,
right-thinking citizens in theUnited States, begin to lose
even one particle of ourreligious freedom, then
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everything begins to crumble.
So it's imperative that westand shoulder to shoulder, back
to back, and defend ourreligious freedom.
We shouldn't let any part ofour religious freedom be taken
away from us.
The very first amendment of theUnited States Constitution
protects this right.
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Congress shall make no lawrespecting an establishment of
religion or prohibiting the freeexercise thereof.
And that means we in thiscountry have the right to
believe, which means we canthink what we want and we can
believe what we want.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And look, beliefs are not facts, beliefs yeah,
there's a lot of people whobelieve a lot of things and you
and I would look at him and say,well, that's not true.
You can believe it, but it'snot true.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And we have the right to not believe.
All right, you see Right, andso uh and I.
It is totally out of bounds fora school or an employer to look
at my patients and say well,you have to bring to me
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something from your pastor oryour church that validates that
you are a faithful attender andthat what you believe is in
concert with what yourdenomination or your church
believes.
That's not true.
That's totally out of bounds,because my beliefs are personal
and my beliefs do not have to bein accord with any church or
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any denomination, or even withmy pastor.
My belief is personal.
It is my sincerely heldpersonal religious conviction.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, and here's my question too, what other medical
procedure out there ormedication is there out there
where you have to prove to yourdoctor that you don't want to
have it when, no, I don't want?
That is not enough, that'sright, it's nowhere else.
Just immunizations, justimmunizations.
Immunizations is the only onewhere they basically hold your
child hostage and they and theyand you have to give them
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reasons for why you do not wanta medication, whereas everything
else out there.
We have to twist our doctor'sarms, we have to twist the
insurance arms to get provisionfor it, we have to beg for
medications for certain thingsand and and they're.
You know we it's make.
They make it so difficultsometimes, but yet when it comes
to immunizations, it's totallyflipped around and your no is
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not enough.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's right my, my patients decline uh medications
all the time.
They don't want statin drugsand they they may not want a
blood thinner, they may not wanta transfusion, and all they
have to do is say no.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And you don't look at them and say, well, you need to
go to your church and I need tomake sure.
How ludicrous is that?
I?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
respect entirely their decision to say no.
And this whole thing aboutimmunizations is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It is ridiculous and I think we've just been so,
we're just so used to it,especially, I think, my
generation and a little bitolder-ish where we were.
You know, we came up throughand everybody was just getting
them and so it was just a partof life.
And you know the immunizationswere and everybody just knew you
go into school, everybody gotthe immunizations.
Of course I was homeschooled sothings were different for me,
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but it was still a part, verymuch a large part, of our
culture was to get theimmunizations.
Nobody asked any questions.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Nobody challenged it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, nobody challenged it, and so when it
just became this required thing,it was just everybody was
already doing it like okay,whatever, and it just wasn't a
thing.
And then now, all of a sudden,it's like the veil has been
lifted and people are lookingaround and saying wait a minute,
you don't have any right totell me that I can't refuse a
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medication.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Your right to speak, think and believe the way you
want to is protected by thesupreme law of the land, which
is the Constitution.
But suddenly, that's not enough.
Now watch this In 1964,congress passed the Civil Rights
Act and that's when theseprotections were spelled out
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even more clearly.
And why did that happen?
Well, it's because blackstudents weren't being allowed
into white schools.
People were being refused jobsor housing or equal access to
society based on race, color andreligion.
That's why the Civil Rights Actlaid it all out and it said you
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have the right to vote withoutdiscrimination, the right to
work or apply for a job withoutdiscrimination, the right to go
to school any school, includinga training school, training
program without discrimination,and the right to operate in
society without being punishedbecause of your age, religion,
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race or ethnicity.
Now, if a parent is told thattheir child can't attend school
because they object to a shot onreligious grounds, that is
illegal, plain and simple it'sillegal.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So that's what you would tell a patient if they
came in to you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Exactly right and it violates the First Amendment.
It also violates Title IV ofthe Civil Rights Act and it
violates the most basicprinciples of ethics and freedom
.
But it still happens All thetime, all the time in schools.
And oh, I got so many friendswho they're, the schools and the
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doctors.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Just shame them, browbeat them.
I mean pediatricians officesthat won't even take them as
patients, that's right becausethey won't keep them.
They, yeah they say if youdon't get your immunizations, we
you know you can't be a patient.
You know why because they gotto make room for other kids who
will take the medications to getthe immunizations.
Because they get kickbacks,they get, and so they want to
make sure.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The pharmaceutical.
No, the insurance companies paypediatricians and some family
doctors a bonus.
They reach a certain percentageof their pediatric population
that gets vaccinated and theyget a bonus at the end of the
year.
And so if you say to them we'renot going to take the vaccine?
They'll kick you out of theirpractice because it hurts their
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percentage.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That's right.
Not only do they not get themoney from giving you the
vaccine itself, but they alsodon't get the kickbacks that
they get from the insuranceswhen their whole practice gets.
So they get a twofold and, andso that's why you know, that's
why you're more and more you'rerealizing why it's so important
to these doctors um, to you know, for them to be backing this
and why they try to browbeat youand shame you into all of this.
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And I hate it for my friendswho deal with this.
I mean I'm just super blessedbecause my kids are able to come
to your office and I knowpeople are beating down the
doors because they're trying tofind doctors like yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I still have patients come into my office who are
disgusted with their doctor, whothey've seen for 20 or 30 years
, that is trying to compel themto get a COVID vaccine that they
don't want, or has dismissedthem from their pediatric
practice because they declined apediatric vaccine, and it just
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hurts my heart so much.
Listen, our medical freedom andour personal autonomy is being
stolen and we have to stand upand stand firm for our First
Amendment rights.
Now, watch this.
I want to read you a quote fromBenjamin Rush.
Wow, now listen to this.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He said this way back in the 17th this is the first
Surgeon General, right SurgeonGeneral the first Surgeon
General of the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
He was a physician, a social reformer in Philadelphia
.
He was a signer of theDeclaration of Independence and
the first Surgeon General in theContinental Army.
Now you pay attention to whathe said.
Unless we put medical freedominto the Constitution, the time
will come when medicine willorganize into an undercover
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dictatorship to restrict the artof healing to one class of men
and to deny the privileges tothe others.
The Constitution of theRepublic should make special
privileges for medical freedomsas well as religious freedoms.
Now, I'm sure he didn't claim tobe a prophet or the son of a
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prophet, but I'm telling you hiswords were prophetic, because
that's exactly what has happenedin the United States All these
years later.
Anthony Fauci, the CDC and theFDA has organized itself into an
undercover dictatorship and ithas preserved the right of
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medical freedom to a small groupof doctors and bureaucrats,
freedom to a small group ofdoctors and bureaucrats, and it
has excluded those freedoms fromcertain citizens and certain
medical professionals.
And we've heard of medicalprofessionals who lost their
credentials and their licensesand the privilege to practice
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medicine because they weredissenters, like over the COVID
vaccine.
And I'm promising you right nowthat there will be some doctors
who are going to lose theirprivileges because they dissent
from pediatric vaccines, and ifRobert F Kennedy doesn't really
stand up and stand strong for us, you're going to see that
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happening.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Just mark my words.
It really does.
You know, I'd like to you know.
This statement goes out and andand the concern for me for for
everybody it should be even morethan because there may be
somebody who's listening to thisshow who says, well, I'm not a
Christian, I would have neverused a religious exemption
anyway.
This is all neither here northere.
Well, of course you and I wouldsay well, you should be, it's
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still, as a good American, youunderstand the fact that
religious and having that FirstAmendment is imperative for you
because it means that the UnitedStates is not going to force
any religion on you.
But even that aside is thesecond part of their statement,
which is that they're going tobe scrutinizing even more any
kind of medical exemption thatyou might get.
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And it's already complicatedenough for moms and dads to get
their children the help thatthey need for certain things.
I mean, I see people every weekwho are just fighting with
their doctors to help get theirchild Somebody sent me a message
literally last night about thisand their child not able to get
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the treatment that they needbecause of insurance companies
and doctor's offices and it justbeing such a convoluted mess.
And you want to add this in too.
Yeah, that's right.
You really want to add this intoo.
And they're saying well, we'renow going to be scrutinizing
medical exemptions even morethan we already do.
Who do you think you are?
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That's just absolutely right.
Well, I think I don't know.
Was there something else thatyou wanted to add?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's pretty much all the questions that I
specifically had written downthat I wanted to ask.
Let me make a couple thingsclear All right.
I want my listeners tounderstand that you have the
right to a religious exemption.
That is your constitutionalright and don't let anybody tell
you differently.
And in simple terms, you're theone who informs your employer
or the school that they arelegally obligated to work with
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you to find an accommodation.
All right, if you're notwanting that immunization.
They are obliged to find anaccommodation that does not
conflict with you and yourreligious beliefs.
It's your individual right tobelieve and hold those beliefs
and or objections and it doesn'thave to be approved by anybody.
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Now, remember this statement.
Fix this in your little peabrains out there.
Listen to me my sincerely heldreligious conviction.
That's the only thing you haveto say to the school or your
doctor or your employer.
Say to the school or yourdoctor or your employer my
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sincerely held religiousconviction is such and such.
You don't have to elaborate anymore than that.
That's all you ever have to say, and the school or your
employer has to honor that.
No man, no employer, has theright to judge that statement.
No man, no employer has theright to judge that statement,
period.
Now let me go a little furtherthan that.
If somebody says to you andthis happens all the time we
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accept the fact that youdeclined all your other
immunizations, but to go tocollege you have to take the
meningitis vaccine.
I hear that all the time.
That's like an employer lookingat you and say you're going to
have to sleep with me to stay,to be employed here.
And then you say look, no, I'mnot sleeping with you and I'm
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not going to be.
I'm not trying to be crass, butI'm trying to help you
understand.
Well, then the employer says,okay, you don't have to sleep
with me, but you have to takeyour top off.
Yeah, that's exactly what theschool system is saying to
students who've refused allvaccines.
But they say, well, that's okay, but you still got to take the
meningitis vaccine.
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That's crazy talk.
That's a violation of theirconstitutional rights.
That's like saying to Jewishfolks well, you don't have to
eat the ham sandwiches, butyou're going to have to eat the
bacon bits at lunch.
That's a violation of theirreligious convictions and that's
foolishness.
That's crazy talk.
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Listen, you don't have to takeany immunizations if it's a
violation of your sincerely heldreligious convictions.
And don't let anybody push youover the line.
Now let me give you anotherlittle bit of understanding here
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.
If people want to push you andthey're not willing to accept
that statement, then I want youto go to the next thing.
First of all, always be politeand always be respectful, and
this is the way to say it.
You make a very simple, politestatement.
May I say this veryrespectfully I am exempt from
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this policy based on mysincerely held religious belief.
Say that very simply.
If you want to go beyond that,then and if they continue to
push you, then you will say thisto them I want you to
understand that you'rediscriminating against me and I
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want to see your policy, theschool or the company that you
work for.
I want to see your policyagainst discrimination because,
you see, every school and everyemployer has a statement
somewhere that says we have zerotolerance for discrimination.
That's right, everybody's gotthat, everybody has that.
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And you say I want to see yourstatement of against
discrimination.
And then you go one morestatement further than that and
you say I want to see yourvaccine exemption committee or
individual.
I want to know who they are andI want to know what their
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training is in Title VII orTitle IV non-discrimination law,
all right.
And when you say that they'regoing to be bum-fuzzled because
probably nobody's ever askedthat from them.
But that's your prerogative,that's your privilege, and let
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me say that again.
You look at them and say I wantto know the name of the
individual or committee andtheir roles and their training
in Title VII or Title IVnon-discrimination law.
And then here's the finalbiggie I want a religious
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statement from every member ofthat committee.
Now, why do you want to do that?
Because if everybody on thecommittee is an atheist and
you're a Christian, you want toknow that, don't you?
Or if everybody's a Protestantand you're Jewish, you would
want to know that, don't you?
Or if everybody's a Protestantand you're Jewish, you would
want to know that, wouldn't you?
So you tell them I want to knowa religious statement from
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everybody on that committee.
Now, there's no lawyersinvolved.
Up to this point, all you'redoing is asking simple questions
and religious I'm sorry thingsthat are your prerogative to
know as a citizen of the UnitedStates.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
So because why should they be able to query you on
your?
Religious exemption if you'renot even allowed to ask them
well, what's your religiousstatement?
Because they're all going tobow up and they're going to back
off and they'll say that's notany of your business, and you
say that's right, and this isnot any of your business.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
They're asking you to divulge your sincerely held
religious belief.
Well, if they're going to dothat, then you have the
prerogative to ask them theindividual or committee their
religious position.
All right, now I'm just goingto tell my listeners right up
front if you do those three orfour simple things, they're
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going to fold, they're going tocapitulate, because they know
that you know the Constitution,they know that you know your
rights and they're not going towant to get a lawyer involved.
They don't want to spend themoney on a lawyer to fight
against you when you're clearlyin the right and you clearly
have your constitutionalposition understood.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And parents have to do this.
You have to be as kind and asconsiderate as you can be in
these interactions, but you haveto stand your ground, because
we're where we're at now becauseof folks not standing their
ground and the government, theAAP they have to grant you the
accommodation they have to bylaw grant you an accommodation.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
They may not realize it up front, but if you're very
polite, very firm, veryrespectful and you explain it to
people step by step, they'regoing to realize that they're up
against a wall.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And a lot of folks who are in that position.
You know you're looking acrossat the front desk lady.
You know, she has no clue.
She's just been told thateverybody's got to get this shot
.
She doesn't know theConstitution, she doesn't know
the law, she doesn't know any ofthis stuff, and so she's just
trying to get the paperwork done.
She's just trying to get thepaperwork done, she's just
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trying to get everybody shuffledthrough.
And it's going to, andunfortunately you got to be the
cog in the wheel, and nobodylikes to be the cog in the wheel
.
But you could be the nicest,prettiest cog in the wheel that
you possibly can be in thatmoment, all right, but you've
got to be the cog becausesomebody's got to point out to
her hey, this is not legal, youcan't do this and then she's
gonna to and she's never heardthat in her whole life.
Yeah, she's not heard that, orif she has nobody's really
carefully or clearly explainedit to her.
And you know, because I'm surethat there's more and more of
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these folks who are getting thisnow Because, as you've already
pointed out at the beginning ofthe show, more and more parents
are not getting theimmunizations.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
They're not complying , that they're not complying and
they're declining, and you canbe the very first one in your
school or at your place ofemployment and understand
clearly.
It is your constitutional right.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
All right, that's the end of our program.
Tonight You're listening toMore Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson.
My co-host today is my lovelydaughter, Ms Hannah Miller.
I encourage you to listen tothe Hannah Miller Show.
She has lots of wonderfulinformation and I'll be back
again with you next week.
Until then, may the Lord blessyou real good.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Thank you for listening to this edition of
More Than Medicine.
For more information about theJackson Family Ministry or to
schedule a speaking engagement,go to their Facebook page,
instagram or webpage atjacksonfamilyministrycom.
Also, don't forget to check outDr Jackson's books that are
available on Amazon His thirdbook Turkey Tales and Bible
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Truths, and his father'sbiography on Laughter Silvered
Wings the story of a countrydoctor, a family man, a patriot
and a political activist.
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