June 14, 2025 • 32 mins
Dr. Robert Jackson and his daughter Hannah Miller dive deep into a revolutionary approach to ADHD treatment that's changing lives without the typical medication side effects. They explore Dr. James Greenblatt's book "Finally Focused," which presents an 11-step "Plus-Minus Plan" developed over 30 years of clinical practice.
What makes this approach remarkable isn't that it rejects medication entirely—Dr. Greenblatt still prescribes ADHD medications for many patients. Rather, it's his bold guarantee: follow his protocol completely, and ADHD medications will work without causing harmful side effects. This natural treatment plan addresses underlying biological imbalances that contribute to ADHD symptoms, creating a foundation for healthier brain function.
The conversation reveals surprising findings about ADHD treatment. Most children with ADHD are magnesium deficient, which when supplemented alongside vitamin B6 can dramatically improve symptoms. "Nutritional lithium" at tiny doses (10-30mg) works wonders for many patients. The gut microbiome plays a crucial role too—many children develop ADHD symptoms following repeated antibiotic treatments that disrupt beneficial gut bacteria.
Hannah shares her personal perspective as a parent of children with ADHD, offering practical insights about implementing these approaches at home. She appreciates Dr. Greenblatt's realistic expectations for parents—you don't need to eliminate every gram of sugar, just make reasonable improvements. The book provides specific dosages, recommended brands, and action plans that make implementation straightforward.
The discussion also covers essential ADHD fundamentals: its genetic nature, how symptoms differ between boys and girls, why children are frequently socially excluded, and the critical understanding that many ADHD brains naturally "catch up" around age eight, potentially eliminating the need for intervention.
Whether you're parenting a child with ADHD or struggling with symptoms yourself as an adult, this episode offers hope through evidence-based natural approaches that complement or potentially replace conventional medication. The same strategies that help children can transform adult ADHD management too. Ready to discover a better way to address ADHD? This conversation could change everything.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more
than enough for the ills thatplague our culture and our
country.
Hosted by author and physician,dr Robert Jackson, and his wife
Carlotta and daughter HannahMiller.
So listen up, because thedoctor is in.
Dr. Jackson (00:21):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, today I have as my guestHannah Miller, my lovely
daughter, and we're going todiscuss with you a book that she
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read and immediately said to meDad, you've got to read this,
and the book is finally focused.
By Dr James Greenblatt, md.
Ms Hannah, welcome to More ThanMedicine.
Tell my listeners a little bitabout this book.
Hannah Miller (01:00):
Okay.
So this book is a naturaltreatment plan for ADHD, and if
you buy the book or you look itup on Amazon, the very front
cover is going to say it's aplan for ADHD that restores
attention, minimizeshyperactivity and helps
eliminate drug side effects.
And so he has what he calls an11-step plan, he calls it the
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plus minus plan and he goesthrough and you start at step
one.
No, basically you know asupplement or a bacteria or
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something along the toxinsomething like that that you're
either going to minus from thebody or a mineral, a supplement,
vitamin or a myriad of things,and we're going to get into
those that you're going to plusto the body and you're going to
add to the body.
So that's why he calls it theplus minus plan.
I found it fascinating and hemakes a very big guarantee at
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the very end.
You get through the whole bookand you would think, and one of
the reasons that I found hisapproach fascinating was because
, as a parent, he was able to.
First of all, because, as aparent, he was able to first of
all communicate to me Like I'm aregular person I'm not a
medical doctor and there's a lotof times I pick up books like
this and it's hard to wrap yourbrain around some of the medical
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lingo that happens and he wasable to communicate very clearly
, very succinctly, and I wasable to, just as a layperson
understand, and even as amedical doctor, I was able to
just as a lay person understand,and even as a medical doctor, I
was able to understand, and soand I.
Another thing, though, that Iwould say, too, that was
beneficial is that he understoodthe plight of parents, and by
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that I mean he knew that some ofthe things that he recommended
he's like look, you can't letsugar, for example.
He's like you can't eliminateevery bit of sugar out of your
child's diet.
I'm calling you and asking youto do the best you can.
And he said don't make yourselfmiserable, don't make your
child miserable, don't make thisa battle that you can't win.
Dr. Jackson (03:18):
He was very, very reasonable.
Hannah Miller (03:19):
Yes, I found him to be very reasonable and I
appreciated that as a parent whoand you know, I've got multiple
kids.
I've got other people that youknow in my home or multiple
people in my home that I'm youknow we're juggling food and
diet and this whole this bookisn't strictly diet.
There's a lot to it.
We'll get to some of that stuff, but I appreciated that.
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And then, like I said, he makesthis big guarantee at the end
of the book and it's him, youknow.
You think he's got this 11-stepplan and it's all kind of a
natural treatment plan and youwould think that he's
anti-medication and that he'santi-doing some of the typical
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medications that you hearassociated with ADHD, like
Ritalin, adderall and thosekinds of things.
Those are the two that are mostcommon most common and you
think that he's anti that.
But he gets.
He gets through the 11 steps.
And then the next chapter is Iactually, for most of my
patients, do diagnose orprescribe a medication.
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But his guarantee is is that ifyou go through his whole 11
step plan, the big bad sideeffects that your child will
typically experience as a resultof taking some of these
medications either will, theywill not have any.
He said they will not have anyside effects if you go through
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this.
And you know.
And he says, I know you thinkthat I just made a typo, but I'm
going to repeat it again andput it in bold for you to see
that if you follow this 11 stepplan, your child will not have
the negative side effectsassociated with most ADHD
medications.
And of course, his rationalethere is he and he says two
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things If you go through the 11step plan and then if you get,
when you're it is time toprescribe medication, you work
with your doctor.
And he says it doesn't matterhow old or how big your child is
.
He said when you take yourchild into a doctor's office,
usually the and they're going toprescribe an adhd medication.
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He said typically the processis.
Oh well, I know anothereight-year-old who is a such and
such weight and this amount,this milligram amount, is what
works.
Worked for them.
So I'm just going to prescribethe same amount.
And he said it doesn't workthat way and I learned a long
time ago it doesn't work thatway.
And so I learned a long timeago it doesn't work that way.
And so what you need to do isstart off with the very smallest
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amount possible and, in everytwo to four weeks, incrementally
increase at the smallest dosageamount possible until you reach
a dosage that is working foryour child and has no side
effects.
And he said if you do those twothings, follow the 11-step plan
and do the medicationprescription.
That way, he guaranteed thatyou will not see any of the side
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effects.
Dr. Jackson (06:13):
And that's a big guarantee.
And it is a big guarantee.
Hannah Miller (06:16):
But just for some background, this guy's a
medical doctor.
He also or he's an MD, but heworked with these children for a
decade and then realized somethings, and then for the last 20
years so in totality 30 yearsof practice for 20 years of that
, he's been utilizing thisnatural treatment plan and seen
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a lot of success, and so that'swhen he wrote this book.
He published it in 2017, soit's about eight years old now.
Dr. Jackson (06:46):
And I'll be honest, I wish I had seen this book 30
years ago because it has beenvery eye-opening.
And reading through the book Irealized he's got a lot of
wisdom because he says a lot ofthings that I have seen in my
own medical practice for 40years.
Says a lot of things that Ihave seen in my own medical
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practice for 40 years and and Irealized that he's he's really
owned to some things that I wishI had known a long time ago.
Hannah Miller (07:13):
And so the reason you know, I'm not a medical
person, obviously.
And so I said, dad, I need youto read this book because this
seems all very reasonable to me.
But what do I know?
He could be lying from page oneall the way to page 200, and I
wouldn't know.
So I said you read this book,no this guy's got it going on.
Dr. Jackson (07:34):
He knows his stuff and he quotes in every chapter
medical research from all overthe world United Kingdom,
australia, germany, unitedStates.
He's quoting valid research forevery one of the points that he
makes in every chapter.
He's not just quoting from hisown medical practice, even
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though he has illustrations ofpatients that he's treated in
his own practice which isanecdotal but still valid.
He quotes medical research ofhundreds of children treated
with magnesium, vitamin B6, orvarious other modalities that he
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mentions in each successivechapter, and I find that
fascinating.
You got some questions for me.
Go ahead.
Hannah Miller (08:31):
I do and we're going to.
So we've kind of laid thegroundwork here for the book and
then, before we dive in anymore to the book and discuss it
more, I want to ask you just afew questions to kind of bring
us all on the same pageregarding ADHD and have a little
bit more of a genericconversation about ADHD and kind
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of the standard of treatment,that kind of thing.
And then we'll go back intothis book because I want to talk
about some of the differentrecommendations that he has and
how he goes about doing that inthe book and why it's so easy to
implement and that kind ofthing.
But I think before we reallyget into that, it would be to
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our benefit to kind of get abase, you know a foundation here
regarding ADHD.
So so the very first questionis what is ADHD?
Dr. Jackson (09:21):
Well, you know, almost all folks nowadays can
recognize an ADHD child.
I mean, if you teach Sundayschool with little children or
if you go to the mall and yousee a parent with a child that's
just unmanageable then yourecognize an ADHD child.
That child is inattentive, he'simpulsive, he has a difficult
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time controlling his behavior,he tends to be intrusive.
He or she tends to be intrusiveand you know you'll be talking
and that child can't stophimself from saying mama, mama,
mama, mama.
You know, and he's constantlyintruding on the conversation or
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somebody's space that has poorsocial cues, bullying another
child, and you know that thatchild talks too loud, talks too
much, and but then in aclassroom setting that child is
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like a little squirrel.
His, his attention iseverywhere, but on his paperwork
, on his classwork, he'sflipping a pencil, he's throwing
an eraser, he's getting out ofhis desk or he's falling out of
his desk you know, you know andhe or she just cannot control
their, their, their body, and sothat's an attention deficit
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hyperactive child.
Now, is that child BAD or ADD?
Hannah Miller (11:07):
That's one of my questions.
Is ADHD a function of a lack ofdiscipline?
Dr. Jackson (11:13):
The answer is yes and no.
And you know I have patientsthat come into my office and
it's obvious immediately thatthere is a discipline issue in
their household.
The mother cannot control thechild, doesn't even try to
control the child or disciplinetheir child.
But then again, some children,their impulse control is so
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wildly out of control that noamount of discipline is helpful.
And you know I'm a strongdisciplinarian in my household
but I had two ADD boys in myfamily, in my family, and no
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amount of discipline was able tomanage their inattentiveness or
their hyperactivity.
And I was not a bad dad andthey were not bad boys, they
were just hyperactive andinattentive.
And you remember your twobrothers and you know I was a
good, strong disciplinarian butthey were not BAD, they were
just ADD.
And you know, no matter howmuch discipline was applied,
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they were unable to manage theirhyperactivity and their
inattention.
Hannah Miller (12:34):
And so typically at the younger ages, yeah, and
then the other thing that I didfind interesting in this book,
though, was the talking aboutchildren as they, as they grow
older, and that there arecertain things biologically,
that in ADHD children, thatthey're just parts of the brain
that are just a little slower tomature essentially and he talks
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about that in one of the veryearly chapters of the book,
essentially and he talks aboutthat in one of the very early
chapters of the book.
And, but he, he, but he says alot of those children catch up
and plateau by age eight.
Exactly, and so he and so I lookat a lot of young children and
I see it all the time.
I'm in multiple groups ofparents who are on on the
Internet on forums that havechildren with ADHD.
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I'm, I am one, I'm a parentwith multiple children with ADHD
, and so and that's why I pickedup this book it was recommended
in one of these groups and butI see a lot of these parents who
have two and three and fouryear olds that they've had
diagnosed with ADHD.
They're on medication already.
A lot of them are alreadybecause they're in know,
preschool, k4, k5, very early.
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But according to this doctorand his material, a lot of those
things would just, if you justgive it time but it would
improve naturally maturity withmaturity.
These kids just tend to bebehind by a couple of years
their peers, and so I wouldcaution parents who maybe you're
looking at your very youngchild and I had one.
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I had a child at two and three.
We all knew at two and threeyears old.
We all knew now she wasn't in apublic school setting so we
were able to put off any kind ofmedication.
We've been able to not have todo a medication at this point so
far, but I you know it was allvery it was clear to all of us
and I I would caution you if youdo have one and you have a
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child that is in public schoolum, that if you put them, put
them on a medication to get themthrough those first few years
around age eight, you may wantto consider bringing them off to
see if their body had and givethem some time to see if their
body could have possibly begunto self-regulate on its own and
have them caught up Just withmaturity.
Dr. Jackson (14:41):
Yeah, now, the other factor is this ADHD is
genetic.
I have two brothers that hadADHD, now I had two sons that
are ADHD, and now I havegrandchildren that are ADHD.
Hannah Miller (14:56):
And it's on my husband's side of the family as
well very strongly.
A lot of the same behaviors thatI see in our two children with
it, and I will say this too ADHDdoes manifest differently a lot
of times in boys and girlsversus girls.
I have one child both of mineare girls and my one child hers
manifests very much like girls,typically, does just very
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verbose talking constantly, hasa hard time picking up on some
of those social cues when inconversation, and then a lot of
anxiety, and that tends to goright in hand with most girls
that have ADHD.
Now my other girl child has thehyperactive and the inattentive
really, but she's just the busybee you know, can't sit still
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booming and ringing around, justjumping off the furniture and
has a really hard time focusingduring school, those kind of
behaviors that we typicallyassociate with ADHD and boy
behavior.
So it can look a little bitdifferent in different children
and I know that there's neitherof my children have had anger
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issues, but there typically issome anger associated with ADHD
and that kind of thing.
And a lot of times it's becauseof their difficulties fitting in
socially and they getfrustrated with themselves and
they get very angry withthemselves and that kind of
thing, and the other thingthat's unfortunate is kids with
ADHD end up being sociallyexcluded.
Dr. Jackson (16:23):
Many times their peers recognize their
irritability or their anger ortheir inability to adapt
socially and they becomeexcluded socially and they don't
pick up on social cues.
Oftentimes when they're in agroup they don't.
Things go over their head andso their peers sometimes think
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they're a little daffy andthey're not unintelligent.
They just they're soinattentive that they don't pick
up on things in a group and sothey end up being excluded by
the group.
And that's unfortunate for anintelligent child to be excluded
by the group and a lot of timestoo, those kinds of behaviors
will, they figure it out.
Hannah Miller (17:10):
But again, they're a few years behind their
peers, and so they have alittle bit of a harder time, and
one of my children that's ADHD.
She found her kind of groupamongst a little bit younger
kids and then she was able toflourish with them, and now
she's kind of passed a lot ofthat stuff because she's kind of
hitting that magic age whereshe's starting to overcome a lot
of it, and and then we'vestarted to implement some of
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this book and then it's totallydifferent and now she's not
being excluded like she was orshe was never really excluded,
but she I did see other childrenhaving a hard time with her
because of her inability to kindof conform to social cues.
So how do you diagnose?
That's.
My next question, though, ishow do you diagnose?
Dr. Jackson (17:53):
ADHD.
There's no Medicaid, there's nolab test for ADHD.
I have patients ask me all thatall the time.
There's no lab test.
You have to diagnose it by whatthe patients tell you if
they're adults, or what theparents tell you, or what the
teachers tell you, and so, andand there are these tests that
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are on the internet where youcan answer about 20 different
tests and does your child dothis?
do they do that and so?
And you can send these 20question tests to the school
teacher a lot of times andthey'll answer the test and if
they have enough positives onthe test, the questionnaire.
Rather, that'll help youdiagnose.
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But usually I can ask parents,and sometimes the child, the
appropriate questions and I candiagnose them pretty quickly and
then the next question is well,how do you treat them?
Hannah Miller (18:50):
Yeah, that was my .
You know, that is what isstandard treatment.
Dr. Jackson (18:52):
And you know, for most physicians it's medication,
prescription medication, whichis either Adderall or
methylphenidate, which isRitalin, and you know I hate
putting children on prescriptionmedicine.
Their parents hate puttingtheir children on prescription
medicine.
Children hate takingprescription medicine.
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So what's the alternative tothat?
Well, that brings us to thebook.
That's right, and the book isentitled Finally Focused.
It's by Dr James Greenblatt MD.
Focused it's by Dr JamesGreenblatt MD, and I encourage
our listeners to get a copy ofthat and begin to read it,
because he recommends a seriesof alternatives that I find to
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be fascinating, and the veryfirst one in the book is just
supplemental magnesium.
Hannah Miller (19:46):
Which a lot of people, if they've begun any
kind of research regarding ADHD.
That one is.
I see a lot of parentsimplementing they're already
doing that.
That are already doingmagnesium, but they don't do the
second part of what herecommends in this book.
And do you remember what thatone was?
Which?
Dr. Jackson (20:01):
is supplemented with vitamin B6.
Hannah Miller (20:03):
That's right.
Dr. Jackson (20:03):
And if you do the, we'll back up one step.
He says that in his years oftreating ADHD in children he's a
pediatric psychiatrist, by theway that he finds that over 60%
of children are deficient inmagnesium which I was surprised
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by that, I'll be honest inmagnesium, which I was surprised
by that, I'll be honest.
So a standard part of hisprotocol is to do a magnesium
level on children and he finds amajority of them are deficient
in magnesium.
So he automatically startschildren on magnesium with
vitamin B6.
The magnesium without B6 oftenis insufficient.
Hannah Miller (20:50):
The B6 helps the body absorb it better Helps
absorb the magnesium.
Dr. Jackson (20:55):
In the book he tells you exactly what type of
magnesium he recommends.
Hannah Miller (21:00):
That was one of the things I loved about his
book.
At the very end of everychapter he's got a little box
and it's a step-by-step actionplan for healing ADHD.
It's step one, step two.
He tells exactly why you wouldneed it.
If your child is displayingthese kind of behaviors, this
might be a good option for them.
He has specific brands that herecommends throughout the
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chapter.
He has dosages in there in thataction plan at the end of each
chapter.
If your child is, you know itweighs this much.
This is how much I recommend.
And, of course, throughout thebook he encourages you to be
working with your, your child'smedical doctor, pediatrician for
this.
You know he's not telling youto go off on your own now.
None of this stuff isprescription so you can get it
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all over the counter if if youwant to.
But he has various chapterswhere he recommends a test and
he says you should take.
Have your child's medicaldoctor, family physician, do
this test on your child andthese are the results that
you're looking for.
And he'll say most medicaldoctors think that if it's above
such and such that it's fine.
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But I'm going to tell you thatif your child has ADHD and it's
above it needs to be above thisnumber, not the number that
they're looking for, becausethere's a little bit actually
more room in there.
And so he's got all that kindof information and at the end of
every single chapter he givesbasically a synopsis of the
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chapter.
So that way, as I'mimplementing this in our own
family, I don't have to rereadthe chapter every time we're
ready to move to the next step.
I just flip to the back and Isay, okay, what's?
We've already done chapters one, two and three.
We're on chapter four.
What's his action plan here?
And so I've.
Dr. Jackson (22:39):
I've found it to be very user friendly yep, yep,
all right, now we can run out oftime before we get far.
But I want to mention one morethat I thought was fascinating.
He calls it nutritional lithium, and that whole chapter was to
me, intriguing.
Now I treat adults with bipolardisorder in my office with
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prescription strength lithium300 milligrams two to three
times per day, and lithium'sbeen around for a long time.
It's sort of fallen a littlebit out of vogue because you
have to do blood levels andthere are other newer medicines
that work really well, but Istill use lithium.
I've been in practice 43 yearsand I still like to use a lot of
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the older medications.
Well, he talks aboutnutritional lithium, which is
using 10, 20, or 30 milligramsof lithium for children.
Well, he also recommends it foradults, believe it or not, and
he has found that if you doblood levels on children, that
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many of them are deficient inlithium and that you can give
them lithium at nutritionallevels and that it improves
their ADHD symptoms dramatically.
Now, I didn't know this, but doyou remember that 7-Up the?
drink way back when used to havelithium in it and 7-Up used to
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be promoted as a mood stabilizer.
Now it doesn't have lithium init anymore, but when it first
came on the market, 7-up hadnutritional doses of lithium in
it.
I had no idea there used to behealing what's the word?
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I'm looking for Springs.
There you go, healing springsin Georgia and other parts of
the United States where peoplewould go and buy bottled water.
Those healing springs hadlithium in them and those
bottled waters were sold allover the United States and in
fact they were known for healingdepression and mood disorders
and people would sell water fromthose healing springs.
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And it turns out those healingsprings were high in lithium.
Well, guess what?
You can give your children lowdoses of nutritional lithium.
Well, that's just one thingthat he recommends in his book
Magnesium low-dose nutritionallithium.
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Are there another ones?
Hannah Miller (25:27):
There's, you know , adding protein, minusing sugar
, sweetened beverages, addingprotein.
That's something that weimplemented two years ago and
saw a huge difference inparticularly one of our children
that hated any kind of protein,any kind of protein.
It was such a battle to get herto eat protein and that is very
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typical of ADHD kids.
They want to live on carbs man.
They love sugar and carbs, theylove sugar and carbs, and so
that was one and that's one hetalks about in his book.
Again, he's very reasonableabout it, he you know, but he
and setting expectations forparents.
He talks about omega-3s andthere's some other ones.
Well, that's copper, removingcopper, adding zinc, and he
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talks about probiotics, whichwas a fascinating chapter for me
, because one of my children hasADHD, and he talks about
basically this gut microbiome.
That is an overproduction inchildren with, oftentimes in
children with ADHD.
That is an overproduction inchildren with, oftentimes in
children with ADHD.
Dr. Jackson (26:28):
But it's because they end up taking antibiotics a
lot during their childhood, andthe antibiotics kill the good
bacteria in their GI tract andthey'll end up with the
overgrowth of bad bacteria.
And what does it do?
The bad bacteria in your gut,which is called the, the second
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brain, causes a negativefeedback on your brain and that
affects their behavior in thechapter, the story he told in
that chapter, which was chapterfive.
Hannah Miller (26:59):
It at the beginning of the chapter.
It was like reading about myown child and then he gets into
talking about why this child wasacting that way and that
imbalance or overproduction ofthat bacteria because of
antibiotics.
And then I flash back to this.
It happens to be my child thathad open heart surgery, that had
a massive infection and hadantibiotics pumped right into
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her heart via a PICC line, youknow, and I'm just pumping all
that stuff through her body andshe was prone to infections, had
a lot of ear infections and allthis kind of stuff.
She's been on lots ofantibiotics and it was just like
this light bulb and it wasabout that chapter that I just
said.
This guy's legit because I'veseen this in my own household,
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and so it was.
I really appreciated that, andthat was one of those things too
, too, though, that I think kindof started to work itself out
in her.
She's now 10 or 11 and she gotolder and her body started to
kind of balance out some ofthose things on its own, and uh,
so we're just kind of helpingit along at this point.
The only other thing I wouldsay and I would caution you know
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, most all of our listeners areprobably believers, and in in
chapter 11, he has the plus ofwhat he calls mindfulness and
improving attention one breathat a time, and that chapter he
gets a little bit into some newage, a little bit of new age
kind of stuff.
But for us as believers.
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We understand, you know, theconcept of meditating and
meditating on the word of Godand meditating and memorizing
and the value of, you know, notemptying our place, and you need
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to meditate and just kind oftake, get rid of all of the
noises around you and focus onthe Lord, focus on his word and
get a lot of the distractionsout of the way.
And so we see value in thosethings.
And so, while he kind of takesa Eastern mystic, new Age
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approach to it not overly so,not overly so there's not any
kind of religious jargon inthere, but he does kind of come
at it from that angle I wouldsay there's still value in what
he's trying to teach.
He's just trying to teachsomething that's really biblical
, but from an anti-biblicalperspective.
So I would say I wouldn't throwthat chapter out.
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I would say that that's.
We just approach it from anactual biblical perspective.
And you know, and one of thosethings is, you know, learning to
be aware of what's going onaround you, focusing on one
thing, focusing on your breath,your breathing, and basically
kind of trying to train yourmind to focus on things,
simplify, leave other things out, and so, anyway, I did want to
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put in that kind of cautionabout that chapter, though
that's a good caveat.
Yeah, with it, but everythingelse was very reasonable.
Dr. Jackson (30:06):
Our time is up, ms Hannah, and we do want to
recommend this book to you.
I'm going to give you the titleagain.
It's finally focused.
It's by Dr James Greenblatt, md.
He's a psychiatrist, and I wantto say before I finish, I want
to say this when I'm treatingADHD children in my office, I
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often have parents who will lookat me and say, dr Jackson, I've
had these same symptoms that mychild has all of my life.
Could I have ADHD?
And I'll look at them and say,yeah, you can.
Parents often have the samesymptoms as their children and
vice versa.
Parents often have the samesymptoms as their children and
vice versa, and I'll end uptreating the parents for the
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exact same symptoms that theirchildren are being treated for
and I'll end up treating themwith the same medicine.
But here's the interestingthing the same things that Dr
Greenblatt recommends for thechildren works for the adults,
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and so if you're an adult outthere that's being treated with
Ritalin or Adderall, I wouldrecommend you read this book,
because these non-medicaltherapies that work for children
will also work for you as anadult.
Hannah Miller (31:21):
And then you may not see some of the side effects
, or he guarantees that youwon't see the side effects that
you might already be seeing ifyou're taking those medications,
and the reason being is thatthose medications are your body.
They're responding the same asyour your body already does with
the adhd, and so if you get allthose things balanced out, then
the medication is able to justwork and your lack of diet and
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some of the facial tics orwhatever your side effects might
be, he guarantees, will be gone.
Yeah.
Dr. Jackson (31:50):
And on top of that, you may not need as much
medicine, or you may not needthe medicine at all.
That's right.
So that's a very intriguingthought.
Yes, and my adult patients.
They don't like taking Adderalland Ritalin any more than their
children do.
There's a stigma attached to it.
And on top of that, they don'tlike going to the doctor every
three months to get a refill fora controlled drug.
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Dr. Jackson (00:21):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, today I have as my guestHannah Miller, my lovely
daughter, and we're going todiscuss with you a book that she
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read and immediately said to meDad, you've got to read this,
and the book is finally focused.
By Dr James Greenblatt, md.
Ms Hannah, welcome to More ThanMedicine.
Tell my listeners a little bitabout this book.
Hannah Miller (01:00):
Okay.
So this book is a naturaltreatment plan for ADHD, and if
you buy the book or you look itup on Amazon, the very front
cover is going to say it's aplan for ADHD that restores
attention, minimizeshyperactivity and helps
eliminate drug side effects.
And so he has what he calls an11-step plan, he calls it the
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plus minus plan and he goesthrough and you start at step
one.
No, basically you know asupplement or a bacteria or
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something along the toxinsomething like that that you're
either going to minus from thebody or a mineral, a supplement,
vitamin or a myriad of things,and we're going to get into
those that you're going to plusto the body and you're going to
add to the body.
So that's why he calls it theplus minus plan.
I found it fascinating and hemakes a very big guarantee at
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the very end.
You get through the whole bookand you would think, and one of
the reasons that I found hisapproach fascinating was because
, as a parent, he was able to.
First of all, because, as aparent, he was able to first of
all communicate to me Like I'm aregular person I'm not a
medical doctor and there's a lotof times I pick up books like
this and it's hard to wrap yourbrain around some of the medical
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lingo that happens and he wasable to communicate very clearly
, very succinctly, and I wasable to, just as a layperson
understand, and even as amedical doctor, I was able to
just as a lay person understand,and even as a medical doctor, I
was able to understand, and soand I.
Another thing, though, that Iwould say, too, that was
beneficial is that he understoodthe plight of parents, and by
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that I mean he knew that some ofthe things that he recommended
he's like look, you can't letsugar, for example.
He's like you can't eliminateevery bit of sugar out of your
child's diet.
I'm calling you and asking youto do the best you can.
And he said don't make yourselfmiserable, don't make your
child miserable, don't make thisa battle that you can't win.
Dr. Jackson (03:18):
He was very, very reasonable.
Hannah Miller (03:19):
Yes, I found him to be very reasonable and I
appreciated that as a parent whoand you know, I've got multiple
kids.
I've got other people that youknow in my home or multiple
people in my home that I'm youknow we're juggling food and
diet and this whole this bookisn't strictly diet.
There's a lot to it.
We'll get to some of that stuff, but I appreciated that.
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And then, like I said, he makesthis big guarantee at the end
of the book and it's him, youknow.
You think he's got this 11-stepplan and it's all kind of a
natural treatment plan and youwould think that he's
anti-medication and that he'santi-doing some of the typical
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medications that you hearassociated with ADHD, like
Ritalin, adderall and thosekinds of things.
Those are the two that are mostcommon most common and you
think that he's anti that.
But he gets.
He gets through the 11 steps.
And then the next chapter is Iactually, for most of my
patients, do diagnose orprescribe a medication.
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But his guarantee is is that ifyou go through his whole 11
step plan, the big bad sideeffects that your child will
typically experience as a resultof taking some of these
medications either will, theywill not have any.
He said they will not have anyside effects if you go through
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this.
And you know.
And he says, I know you thinkthat I just made a typo, but I'm
going to repeat it again andput it in bold for you to see
that if you follow this 11 stepplan, your child will not have
the negative side effectsassociated with most ADHD
medications.
And of course, his rationalethere is he and he says two
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things If you go through the 11step plan and then if you get,
when you're it is time toprescribe medication, you work
with your doctor.
And he says it doesn't matterhow old or how big your child is
.
He said when you take yourchild into a doctor's office,
usually the and they're going toprescribe an adhd medication.
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He said typically the processis.
Oh well, I know anothereight-year-old who is a such and
such weight and this amount,this milligram amount, is what
works.
Worked for them.
So I'm just going to prescribethe same amount.
And he said it doesn't workthat way and I learned a long
time ago it doesn't work thatway.
And so I learned a long timeago it doesn't work that way.
And so what you need to do isstart off with the very smallest
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amount possible and, in everytwo to four weeks, incrementally
increase at the smallest dosageamount possible until you reach
a dosage that is working foryour child and has no side
effects.
And he said if you do those twothings, follow the 11-step plan
and do the medicationprescription.
That way, he guaranteed thatyou will not see any of the side
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effects.
Dr. Jackson (06:13):
And that's a big guarantee.
And it is a big guarantee.
Hannah Miller (06:16):
But just for some background, this guy's a
medical doctor.
He also or he's an MD, but heworked with these children for a
decade and then realized somethings, and then for the last 20
years so in totality 30 yearsof practice for 20 years of that
, he's been utilizing thisnatural treatment plan and seen
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a lot of success, and so that'swhen he wrote this book.
He published it in 2017, soit's about eight years old now.
Dr. Jackson (06:46):
And I'll be honest, I wish I had seen this book 30
years ago because it has beenvery eye-opening.
And reading through the book Irealized he's got a lot of
wisdom because he says a lot ofthings that I have seen in my
own medical practice for 40years.
Says a lot of things that Ihave seen in my own medical
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practice for 40 years and and Irealized that he's he's really
owned to some things that I wishI had known a long time ago.
Hannah Miller (07:13):
And so the reason you know, I'm not a medical
person, obviously.
And so I said, dad, I need youto read this book because this
seems all very reasonable to me.
But what do I know?
He could be lying from page oneall the way to page 200, and I
wouldn't know.
So I said you read this book,no this guy's got it going on.
Dr. Jackson (07:34):
He knows his stuff and he quotes in every chapter
medical research from all overthe world United Kingdom,
australia, germany, unitedStates.
He's quoting valid research forevery one of the points that he
makes in every chapter.
He's not just quoting from hisown medical practice, even
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though he has illustrations ofpatients that he's treated in
his own practice which isanecdotal but still valid.
He quotes medical research ofhundreds of children treated
with magnesium, vitamin B6, orvarious other modalities that he
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mentions in each successivechapter, and I find that
fascinating.
You got some questions for me.
Go ahead.
Hannah Miller (08:31):
I do and we're going to.
So we've kind of laid thegroundwork here for the book and
then, before we dive in anymore to the book and discuss it
more, I want to ask you just afew questions to kind of bring
us all on the same pageregarding ADHD and have a little
bit more of a genericconversation about ADHD and kind
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of the standard of treatment,that kind of thing.
And then we'll go back intothis book because I want to talk
about some of the differentrecommendations that he has and
how he goes about doing that inthe book and why it's so easy to
implement and that kind ofthing.
But I think before we reallyget into that, it would be to
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our benefit to kind of get abase, you know a foundation here
regarding ADHD.
So so the very first questionis what is ADHD?
Dr. Jackson (09:21):
Well, you know, almost all folks nowadays can
recognize an ADHD child.
I mean, if you teach Sundayschool with little children or
if you go to the mall and yousee a parent with a child that's
just unmanageable then yourecognize an ADHD child.
That child is inattentive, he'simpulsive, he has a difficult
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time controlling his behavior,he tends to be intrusive.
He or she tends to be intrusiveand you know you'll be talking
and that child can't stophimself from saying mama, mama,
mama, mama.
You know, and he's constantlyintruding on the conversation or
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somebody's space that has poorsocial cues, bullying another
child, and you know that thatchild talks too loud, talks too
much, and but then in aclassroom setting that child is
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like a little squirrel.
His, his attention iseverywhere, but on his paperwork
, on his classwork, he'sflipping a pencil, he's throwing
an eraser, he's getting out ofhis desk or he's falling out of
his desk you know, you know andhe or she just cannot control
their, their, their body, and sothat's an attention deficit
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hyperactive child.
Now, is that child BAD or ADD?
Hannah Miller (11:07):
That's one of my questions.
Is ADHD a function of a lack ofdiscipline?
Dr. Jackson (11:13):
The answer is yes and no.
And you know I have patientsthat come into my office and
it's obvious immediately thatthere is a discipline issue in
their household.
The mother cannot control thechild, doesn't even try to
control the child or disciplinetheir child.
But then again, some children,their impulse control is so
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wildly out of control that noamount of discipline is helpful.
And you know I'm a strongdisciplinarian in my household
but I had two ADD boys in myfamily, in my family, and no
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amount of discipline was able tomanage their inattentiveness or
their hyperactivity.
And I was not a bad dad andthey were not bad boys, they
were just hyperactive andinattentive.
And you remember your twobrothers and you know I was a
good, strong disciplinarian butthey were not BAD, they were
just ADD.
And you know, no matter howmuch discipline was applied,
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they were unable to manage theirhyperactivity and their
inattention.
Hannah Miller (12:34):
And so typically at the younger ages, yeah, and
then the other thing that I didfind interesting in this book,
though, was the talking aboutchildren as they, as they grow
older, and that there arecertain things biologically,
that in ADHD children, thatthey're just parts of the brain
that are just a little slower tomature essentially and he talks
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about that in one of the veryearly chapters of the book,
essentially and he talks aboutthat in one of the very early
chapters of the book.
And, but he, he, but he says alot of those children catch up
and plateau by age eight.
Exactly, and so he and so I lookat a lot of young children and
I see it all the time.
I'm in multiple groups ofparents who are on on the
Internet on forums that havechildren with ADHD.
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I'm, I am one, I'm a parentwith multiple children with ADHD
, and so and that's why I pickedup this book it was recommended
in one of these groups and butI see a lot of these parents who
have two and three and fouryear olds that they've had
diagnosed with ADHD.
They're on medication already.
A lot of them are alreadybecause they're in know,
preschool, k4, k5, very early.
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But according to this doctorand his material, a lot of those
things would just, if you justgive it time but it would
improve naturally maturity withmaturity.
These kids just tend to bebehind by a couple of years
their peers, and so I wouldcaution parents who maybe you're
looking at your very youngchild and I had one.
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I had a child at two and three.
We all knew at two and threeyears old.
We all knew now she wasn't in apublic school setting so we
were able to put off any kind ofmedication.
We've been able to not have todo a medication at this point so
far, but I you know it was allvery it was clear to all of us
and I I would caution you if youdo have one and you have a
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child that is in public schoolum, that if you put them, put
them on a medication to get themthrough those first few years
around age eight, you may wantto consider bringing them off to
see if their body had and givethem some time to see if their
body could have possibly begunto self-regulate on its own and
have them caught up Just withmaturity.
Dr. Jackson (14:41):
Yeah, now, the other factor is this ADHD is
genetic.
I have two brothers that hadADHD, now I had two sons that
are ADHD, and now I havegrandchildren that are ADHD.
Hannah Miller (14:56):
And it's on my husband's side of the family as
well very strongly.
A lot of the same behaviors thatI see in our two children with
it, and I will say this too ADHDdoes manifest differently a lot
of times in boys and girlsversus girls.
I have one child both of mineare girls and my one child hers
manifests very much like girls,typically, does just very
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verbose talking constantly, hasa hard time picking up on some
of those social cues when inconversation, and then a lot of
anxiety, and that tends to goright in hand with most girls
that have ADHD.
Now my other girl child has thehyperactive and the inattentive
really, but she's just the busybee you know, can't sit still
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booming and ringing around, justjumping off the furniture and
has a really hard time focusingduring school, those kind of
behaviors that we typicallyassociate with ADHD and boy
behavior.
So it can look a little bitdifferent in different children
and I know that there's neitherof my children have had anger
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issues, but there typically issome anger associated with ADHD
and that kind of thing.
And a lot of times it's becauseof their difficulties fitting in
socially and they getfrustrated with themselves and
they get very angry withthemselves and that kind of
thing, and the other thingthat's unfortunate is kids with
ADHD end up being sociallyexcluded.
Dr. Jackson (16:23):
Many times their peers recognize their
irritability or their anger ortheir inability to adapt
socially and they becomeexcluded socially and they don't
pick up on social cues.
Oftentimes when they're in agroup they don't.
Things go over their head andso their peers sometimes think
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they're a little daffy andthey're not unintelligent.
They just they're soinattentive that they don't pick
up on things in a group and sothey end up being excluded by
the group.
And that's unfortunate for anintelligent child to be excluded
by the group and a lot of timestoo, those kinds of behaviors
will, they figure it out.
Hannah Miller (17:10):
But again, they're a few years behind their
peers, and so they have alittle bit of a harder time, and
one of my children that's ADHD.
She found her kind of groupamongst a little bit younger
kids and then she was able toflourish with them, and now
she's kind of passed a lot ofthat stuff because she's kind of
hitting that magic age whereshe's starting to overcome a lot
of it, and and then we'vestarted to implement some of
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this book and then it's totallydifferent and now she's not
being excluded like she was orshe was never really excluded,
but she I did see other childrenhaving a hard time with her
because of her inability to kindof conform to social cues.
So how do you diagnose?
That's.
My next question, though, ishow do you diagnose?
Dr. Jackson (17:53):
ADHD.
There's no Medicaid, there's nolab test for ADHD.
I have patients ask me all thatall the time.
There's no lab test.
You have to diagnose it by whatthe patients tell you if
they're adults, or what theparents tell you, or what the
teachers tell you, and so, andand there are these tests that
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are on the internet where youcan answer about 20 different
tests and does your child dothis?
do they do that and so?
And you can send these 20question tests to the school
teacher a lot of times andthey'll answer the test and if
they have enough positives onthe test, the questionnaire.
Rather, that'll help youdiagnose.
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But usually I can ask parents,and sometimes the child, the
appropriate questions and I candiagnose them pretty quickly and
then the next question is well,how do you treat them?
Hannah Miller (18:50):
Yeah, that was my .
You know, that is what isstandard treatment.
Dr. Jackson (18:52):
And you know, for most physicians it's medication,
prescription medication, whichis either Adderall or
methylphenidate, which isRitalin, and you know I hate
putting children on prescriptionmedicine.
Their parents hate puttingtheir children on prescription
medicine.
Children hate takingprescription medicine.
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So what's the alternative tothat?
Well, that brings us to thebook.
That's right, and the book isentitled Finally Focused.
It's by Dr James Greenblatt MD.
Focused it's by Dr JamesGreenblatt MD, and I encourage
our listeners to get a copy ofthat and begin to read it,
because he recommends a seriesof alternatives that I find to
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be fascinating, and the veryfirst one in the book is just
supplemental magnesium.
Hannah Miller (19:46):
Which a lot of people, if they've begun any
kind of research regarding ADHD.
That one is.
I see a lot of parentsimplementing they're already
doing that.
That are already doingmagnesium, but they don't do the
second part of what herecommends in this book.
And do you remember what thatone was?
Which?
Dr. Jackson (20:01):
is supplemented with vitamin B6.
Hannah Miller (20:03):
That's right.
Dr. Jackson (20:03):
And if you do the, we'll back up one step.
He says that in his years oftreating ADHD in children he's a
pediatric psychiatrist, by theway that he finds that over 60%
of children are deficient inmagnesium which I was surprised
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by that, I'll be honest inmagnesium, which I was surprised
by that, I'll be honest.
So a standard part of hisprotocol is to do a magnesium
level on children and he finds amajority of them are deficient
in magnesium.
So he automatically startschildren on magnesium with
vitamin B6.
The magnesium without B6 oftenis insufficient.
Hannah Miller (20:50):
The B6 helps the body absorb it better Helps
absorb the magnesium.
Dr. Jackson (20:55):
In the book he tells you exactly what type of
magnesium he recommends.
Hannah Miller (21:00):
That was one of the things I loved about his
book.
At the very end of everychapter he's got a little box
and it's a step-by-step actionplan for healing ADHD.
It's step one, step two.
He tells exactly why you wouldneed it.
If your child is displayingthese kind of behaviors, this
might be a good option for them.
He has specific brands that herecommends throughout the
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chapter.
He has dosages in there in thataction plan at the end of each
chapter.
If your child is, you know itweighs this much.
This is how much I recommend.
And, of course, throughout thebook he encourages you to be
working with your, your child'smedical doctor, pediatrician for
this.
You know he's not telling youto go off on your own now.
None of this stuff isprescription so you can get it
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all over the counter if if youwant to.
But he has various chapterswhere he recommends a test and
he says you should take.
Have your child's medicaldoctor, family physician, do
this test on your child andthese are the results that
you're looking for.
And he'll say most medicaldoctors think that if it's above
such and such that it's fine.
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But I'm going to tell you thatif your child has ADHD and it's
above it needs to be above thisnumber, not the number that
they're looking for, becausethere's a little bit actually
more room in there.
And so he's got all that kindof information and at the end of
every single chapter he givesbasically a synopsis of the
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chapter.
So that way, as I'mimplementing this in our own
family, I don't have to rereadthe chapter every time we're
ready to move to the next step.
I just flip to the back and Isay, okay, what's?
We've already done chapters one, two and three.
We're on chapter four.
What's his action plan here?
And so I've.
Dr. Jackson (22:39):
I've found it to be very user friendly yep, yep,
all right, now we can run out oftime before we get far.
But I want to mention one morethat I thought was fascinating.
He calls it nutritional lithium, and that whole chapter was to
me, intriguing.
Now I treat adults with bipolardisorder in my office with
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prescription strength lithium300 milligrams two to three
times per day, and lithium'sbeen around for a long time.
It's sort of fallen a littlebit out of vogue because you
have to do blood levels andthere are other newer medicines
that work really well, but Istill use lithium.
I've been in practice 43 yearsand I still like to use a lot of
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the older medications.
Well, he talks aboutnutritional lithium, which is
using 10, 20, or 30 milligramsof lithium for children.
Well, he also recommends it foradults, believe it or not, and
he has found that if you doblood levels on children, that
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many of them are deficient inlithium and that you can give
them lithium at nutritionallevels and that it improves
their ADHD symptoms dramatically.
Now, I didn't know this, but doyou remember that 7-Up the?
drink way back when used to havelithium in it and 7-Up used to
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be promoted as a mood stabilizer.
Now it doesn't have lithium init anymore, but when it first
came on the market, 7-up hadnutritional doses of lithium in
it.
I had no idea there used to behealing what's the word?
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I'm looking for Springs.
There you go, healing springsin Georgia and other parts of
the United States where peoplewould go and buy bottled water.
Those healing springs hadlithium in them and those
bottled waters were sold allover the United States and in
fact they were known for healingdepression and mood disorders
and people would sell water fromthose healing springs.
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And it turns out those healingsprings were high in lithium.
Well, guess what?
You can give your children lowdoses of nutritional lithium.
Well, that's just one thingthat he recommends in his book
Magnesium low-dose nutritionallithium.
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Are there another ones?
Hannah Miller (25:27):
There's, you know , adding protein, minusing sugar
, sweetened beverages, addingprotein.
That's something that weimplemented two years ago and
saw a huge difference inparticularly one of our children
that hated any kind of protein,any kind of protein.
It was such a battle to get herto eat protein and that is very
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typical of ADHD kids.
They want to live on carbs man.
They love sugar and carbs, theylove sugar and carbs, and so
that was one and that's one hetalks about in his book.
Again, he's very reasonableabout it, he you know, but he
and setting expectations forparents.
He talks about omega-3s andthere's some other ones.
Well, that's copper, removingcopper, adding zinc, and he
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talks about probiotics, whichwas a fascinating chapter for me
, because one of my children hasADHD, and he talks about
basically this gut microbiome.
That is an overproduction inchildren with, oftentimes in
children with ADHD.
That is an overproduction inchildren with, oftentimes in
children with ADHD.
Dr. Jackson (26:28):
But it's because they end up taking antibiotics a
lot during their childhood, andthe antibiotics kill the good
bacteria in their GI tract andthey'll end up with the
overgrowth of bad bacteria.
And what does it do?
The bad bacteria in your gut,which is called the, the second
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brain, causes a negativefeedback on your brain and that
affects their behavior in thechapter, the story he told in
that chapter, which was chapterfive.
Hannah Miller (26:59):
It at the beginning of the chapter.
It was like reading about myown child and then he gets into
talking about why this child wasacting that way and that
imbalance or overproduction ofthat bacteria because of
antibiotics.
And then I flash back to this.
It happens to be my child thathad open heart surgery, that had
a massive infection and hadantibiotics pumped right into
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her heart via a PICC line, youknow, and I'm just pumping all
that stuff through her body andshe was prone to infections, had
a lot of ear infections and allthis kind of stuff.
She's been on lots ofantibiotics and it was just like
this light bulb and it wasabout that chapter that I just
said.
This guy's legit because I'veseen this in my own household,
(27:44):
and so it was.
I really appreciated that, andthat was one of those things too
, too, though, that I think kindof started to work itself out
in her.
She's now 10 or 11 and she gotolder and her body started to
kind of balance out some ofthose things on its own, and uh,
so we're just kind of helpingit along at this point.
The only other thing I wouldsay and I would caution you know
(28:06):
, most all of our listeners areprobably believers, and in in
chapter 11, he has the plus ofwhat he calls mindfulness and
improving attention one breathat a time, and that chapter he
gets a little bit into some newage, a little bit of new age
kind of stuff.
But for us as believers.
(28:27):
We understand, you know, theconcept of meditating and
meditating on the word of Godand meditating and memorizing
and the value of, you know, notemptying our place, and you need
(28:50):
to meditate and just kind oftake, get rid of all of the
noises around you and focus onthe Lord, focus on his word and
get a lot of the distractionsout of the way.
And so we see value in thosethings.
And so, while he kind of takesa Eastern mystic, new Age
(29:10):
approach to it not overly so,not overly so there's not any
kind of religious jargon inthere, but he does kind of come
at it from that angle I wouldsay there's still value in what
he's trying to teach.
He's just trying to teachsomething that's really biblical
, but from an anti-biblicalperspective.
So I would say I wouldn't throwthat chapter out.
(29:33):
I would say that that's.
We just approach it from anactual biblical perspective.
And you know, and one of thosethings is, you know, learning to
be aware of what's going onaround you, focusing on one
thing, focusing on your breath,your breathing, and basically
kind of trying to train yourmind to focus on things,
simplify, leave other things out, and so, anyway, I did want to
(29:58):
put in that kind of cautionabout that chapter, though
that's a good caveat.
Yeah, with it, but everythingelse was very reasonable.
Dr. Jackson (30:06):
Our time is up, ms Hannah, and we do want to
recommend this book to you.
I'm going to give you the titleagain.
It's finally focused.
It's by Dr James Greenblatt, md.
He's a psychiatrist, and I wantto say before I finish, I want
to say this when I'm treatingADHD children in my office, I
(30:28):
often have parents who will lookat me and say, dr Jackson, I've
had these same symptoms that mychild has all of my life.
Could I have ADHD?
And I'll look at them and say,yeah, you can.
Parents often have the samesymptoms as their children and
vice versa.
Parents often have the samesymptoms as their children and
vice versa, and I'll end uptreating the parents for the
(30:50):
exact same symptoms that theirchildren are being treated for
and I'll end up treating themwith the same medicine.
But here's the interestingthing the same things that Dr
Greenblatt recommends for thechildren works for the adults,
(31:11):
and so if you're an adult outthere that's being treated with
Ritalin or Adderall, I wouldrecommend you read this book,
because these non-medicaltherapies that work for children
will also work for you as anadult.
Hannah Miller (31:21):
And then you may not see some of the side effects
, or he guarantees that youwon't see the side effects that
you might already be seeing ifyou're taking those medications,
and the reason being is thatthose medications are your body.
They're responding the same asyour your body already does with
the adhd, and so if you get allthose things balanced out, then
the medication is able to justwork and your lack of diet and
(31:44):
some of the facial tics orwhatever your side effects might
be, he guarantees, will be gone.
Yeah.
Dr. Jackson (31:50):
And on top of that, you may not need as much
medicine, or you may not needthe medicine at all.
That's right.
So that's a very intriguingthought.
Yes, and my adult patients.
They don't like taking Adderalland Ritalin any more than their
children do.
There's a stigma attached to it.
And on top of that, they don'tlike going to the doctor every
three months to get a refill fora controlled drug.
(32:12):
You see, yeah, all right, you'relistening to More Than Medicine
.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson.
My guest today is my lovelydaughter, ms Hannah Miller.
We'll be back again next weekand until then, may the Lord
bless you real good.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Thank you for listening to this edition of
More Than Medicine.
For more information about theJackson Family Ministry, dr
Jackson's books, or to schedulea speaking engagement, go to
their Facebook page, instagramor their webpage at
jacksonfamilyministrycom.
This podcast is produced by BobSlone Audio Production at
bobslone.
com.
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