May 31, 2025 • 34 mins
A shocking medical mystery is unfolding in embalming rooms across the world, as funeral professionals report strange white fibrous clots never seen before 2021. Retired Air Force Major Tom Havilind shares his groundbreaking research documenting this disturbing phenomenon through three years of worldwide surveys.
Havilind's journey began when embalmers reported finding long, rubbery, white clots in bodies they processed—clots that appeared only after COVID vaccine rollout. What started as anecdotal reports has now been systematically documented, with over 60% of surveyed embalmers confirming these findings. Most alarming? These unusual clots appear in 20-30% of corpses.
But this isn't just about the dead. Vascular surgeons and cardiologists are now quietly confirming they're seeing identical clots in living patients. One catheterization lab specialist reported removing these unusual clots from patients weekly—99% of whom had received COVID vaccines. When these medical professionals speak about vaccine connections, many report being silenced or threatened with job loss.
The medical implications are profound. These abnormal clots don't respond to traditional clot-busting drugs. They appear to form when spike protein bonds with the body's natural fibrinogen, creating misfolded structures resistant to normal breakdown processes. Beyond the white fibrous clots, embalmers report increased microclotting and changes in traditional clotting patterns.
Despite submitting his findings to health authorities after each survey, Haviland reports receiving no response from the CDC, FDA, NIH or HHS. This wall of silence extends throughout the medical establishment, with many professionals privately acknowledging the problem while publicly remaining quiet.
As health officials prepare recommendations for future COVID vaccines, this evidence demands attention. When medical professionals fear speaking truth more than they fear patient harm, we've entered dangerous territory. The question remains: how many more patients must suffer before authorities acknowledge what embalmers and surgeons are seeing with their own eyes?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more
than enough for the ills thatplague our culture and our
country.
Hosted by author and physician,dr Robert Jackson, and his wife
Carlotta and daughter HannahMiller.
So listen up, because thedoctor is in.
Dr. Robert Jackson (00:24):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm privileged today tohave online with me Tom Haviland
, who is a retired major fromthe Air Force and a researcher
for the last two years or so,and I found an article in the
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New American by Rebecca Terrell,who interviewed him for the
article and it was quitefascinating and so, major, I'm
going to ask you to introduceyourself and then we're going to
introduce the topic that was inthe New American.
So tell my listeners a littlebit about yourself.
Major Tom Haviland (01:11):
Sure, dr Jackson, thanks for having me on
the show.
My name's Tom Haviland.
I'm a retired US Air Forcemajor, spent 20 years in the Air
Force, then spent 16 yearsafter that as a defense
contractor working with the AirForce, so a total of 36 years in
and with the Air Force.
Electrical engineer Used towork with fighter aircraft like
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the F-16, the F-22 Raptor, theF-117 Stealth Fighter.
Loved my job, dr Jackson, butit all came to an abrupt halt in
October of 2021 when I refusedto take the COVID-19 vaccine.
Very wisely, I was going to putthe mandates out right around
that time and I got an email.
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In fact, everybody else atWright-Parrison Air Force Base,
ohio, where I was working, gotan email, and the email was from
a three-star Air Force generalwho said the dates that the
military, the government,civilians and us defense
contractors of which I was onehad to get our shots by or else
get kicked out.
So I sent him back an email, drJackson, and I said shame on
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you.
Remember, this is an Air Forcethree-star general.
I said shame on you.
Instead of standing up for ourright to decide for ourselves
whether or not to take anexperimental drug, you chose to
spend your time trying to guiltus into taking the jab.
Shame on you.
And I didn't just send thatemail to him, I sent it to all
30,000 people that work atWright Patterson Air Force Base,
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ohio.
So I knew what was going tohappen.
I got a call a half hour laterfrom my defense contractor boss
and I was fired for my $165,000a year job as an electrical
engineer for shaming the AirForce three-star general in
front of the entire base.
You know, but somebody had to doit.
None of the colonels, none ofthe generals were pushing back
on this.
What we know now is an unlawfulmandate.
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We knew it then.
They just tried to push it onpeople.
But you know, I made my standthat day and it actually turned
out to be a blessing for mebecause I went into early
retirement.
I was 61 at the time, so I justwent into retirement and it
gave me the time these lastthree years to work on these
unusual worldwide embalmer bloodclot surveys.
Dr. Robert Jackson (03:22):
Now tell us a little bit about that now.
I need to know exactly what youmean by that.
Major Tom Haviland (03:29):
Yeah, what I did is.
In early fall of 2022, Iwatched a movie called Died
Suddenly.
People can still see it.
It's on rumble.
It's about an hour-longdocumentary and about half the
film is devoted to these six orseven embalmers that said they
were seeing these unusual whitefibrous clots in the veins and
arteries of their corpses, andthese are embalmers with 20 or
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30 years of experience that hadnever seen this phenomenon
before, until 2021, after theCOVID vaccines rolled out.
Dr. Robert Jackson (03:59):
Yeah, I saw that same documentary and it was
fascinating to me and shocking.
Major Tom Haviland (04:04):
It really is .
It was strange and what reallystruck me, dr Jackson, is at the
13-minute and 15-second mark,an amazing statement was made.
An embalmer from the state ofIndiana, a Mr Wallace Hooker,
was lecturing at an OhioEmbalmers Association conference
in Columbus, ohio, on the 26thof October in 2022.
And he was lecturing to a roomfull of 100 embalmers and he
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showed them photographs of thewhite fibrous cloths that he'd
been removing from his corpsesfor about the last year at that
time and he said hey, by a showof hands, how many of you are
seeing these same unusual,strange cloths?
And he said almost the entireroom of 100 embalmers raised
their hands.
Yes.
He then asked them did when didyou start seeing them?
And they all agreed it was inthe middle of 2021, about six
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months after the covid vaccinesrolled out.
So I know there were someproblems with that movie, but
you know, whatever else happened, either that statement is true
or false, right, either thoseembalmers raised their hands or
they didn't.
So I got up the next day afterI watched the movie the Night it
Premiered.
It was the Monday of the weekof Thanksgiving of November 2022
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.
I got up the next day, tuesday,and I said to myself.
You know, I don't think anyreporter is going to chase after
this story, so I myself, Icalled the Ohio Embalmers
Association.
We're located in Cincinnati,ohio.
I live in Dayton, just about anhour north of there.
I talked to their president, aMr Dan Becker, their vice
president, a Mr Woody Wilson,and their secretary, mr David
Hicks, and I asked all threegentlemen, hey, did you happen
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to be in the room at the timethat those 100 embalmers
supposedly raised their handssaying they're seeing these
clots too?
Well, none of the three of themhappened to be in the room at
the time.
However, the vice president, mrWoody Wilson, who is now, by
the way, the president of theOhio Embalmers Association.
He runs his own funeral home upin Marysville, ohio, about an
hour north of where I live, andhe does his own embalming.
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A lot of funeral directors dotheir own embalming yeah, yeah
and woody said to me tom, I'mseeing the white fibrous clots
too.
So I said, wow, this is a bigdeal.
Right now I have an officialofficer, the now president of
the ohio embalmers association,corroborating these six or seven
embalmers in this died suddenlymovie, saying that he's seeing
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the clots too.
So right there, and then Idecided to do a survey, a
nationwide survey, which I thenlater on turned into a worldwide
survey by including Canada, theUK and Australia and New
Zealand, to see just howprevalent these clots were,
because I knew that our own CDCand FDA were not looking into
this.
So I figured, well, somebodybetter look into it.
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So that led me to the creationof these now three worldwide
embalmer blood clot surveys, andthe results are shocking, dr
Jackson.
Dr. Robert Jackson (06:47):
Well now, you did this using SurveyMonkey.
Major Tom Haviland (06:52):
Correct.
I worked with a nice woman, afriend of mine up in northeast
Ohio, named Laura Kasner, whohappens to be an expert in
SurveyMonkey.
So we created about a10-question survey.
It only takes about three orfour minutes to take and we used
a two-prong approach to sendthe survey.
First of all, the questions weput on the survey were questions
we knew the embalmers couldanswer.
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Basically, when did you startseeing the clots?
Are you seeing the clots?
And then, what percentage ofyour corpses are you seeing the
clots?
Those are the main questions weask the embalmers.
And to distribute the survey,what we did is we we used a
two-prong approach.
We used a top-down approach bysending the survey in an email
with the link to the SurveyMonkey survey to 50 national,
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regional and state funeraldirector associations all over
the world, and each withhundreds of members under them,
asking them to forward thesurvey link down to their active
embalmer so they could take thesurvey through the state and
regional national associations.
Then we used a bottom-upapproach by actually, I looked
up the email addresses for over1,700 funeral homes around the
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world and sent an email to themdirectly with the link.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:02):
I got you.
Major Tom Haviland (08:02):
Trying to maximize, you know, the number
of responses.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:05):
Yeah.
Major Tom Haviland (08:06):
So in the first survey that we ran at the
end of 2022, we had only 179responses to that survey, so we
got off to a little bit of aslow start, but still, in that
first survey there were threemain conclusions to that 119 of
the 179 embalmers that'stwo-thirds 66% said they were
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indeed seeing the white fibrousclots.
The main consensus of thoseembalmers is that the clots
started for them in 2021, afterthe rollout of the COVID
vaccines, and then maybe themost shocking stat was they were
seeing these clots in anaverage of 30% of their corpses.
So, these things are not rare.
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These things are quiteprevalent.
I was actually shocked when Igot that result.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:52):
Yeah, that is shocking, then we ran the
survey again in 2023.
Major Tom Haviland (08:57):
In 2023, we did better in terms of responses
.
We had 269 responses to thesurvey, so we did 90 responses
better.
We determined that theembalmers were seeing the clots
in 20% of their corpses, so thatwas good news.
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The percentage of corpses withthe clots went down.
But, there were still about 73%of the embalmers.
197 out of the 269 said theywere seeing the white fibrous
clots, so we knew this was aphenomenon that was going on.
The embalmers in that secondsurvey also asked us to ask some
questions about anotherphenomenon called microclotting.
Dr. Robert Jackson (09:40):
Right.
Major Tom Haviland (09:41):
And they don't describe it as that, and
Balmers actually described it aswhat looks like dirty blood or
coffee grounds in the blood.
As they're trying to get theblood out of the corpse and put
the formaldehyde in, they'll seewhat looks like coffee grounds
in the blood and that could bean indication of another
phenomenon called microclotting,which can be just as dangerous
as the white fibrous clots.
Microclotting, which can bejust as dangerous as the white
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fibrous clots, we think thewhite fibrous clots, which are
large and rubbery and can be 10inches long or more, are
blocking veins and arteries andcausing heart attacks and
strokes.
The microclotting, we believe,occurs at the capillary level,
your very small blood vesselsand it can block the exchange of
oxygen at the lungs and thencarrying that oxygen to all your
major organs of your body, likeyour brain, your eyes.
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You have very small capillariesin your brain and your eyes and
that might be a reason whypeople are suffering from some
symptoms like brain fog or poorvision problems.
They may have microclottinggoing on inside them, and in the
2023 survey that I ran, theembalmers saw that About 80% of
the embalmers saw thatphenomenon and they saw that in
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a shocking 25% of their corpses,and this is a phenomenon.
Microcloning is something theyhad seen prior to the years of
COVID and the vaccines, but inway less than 5% of their
corpses, particularly inpatients that had heavy
chemotherapy.
So this was at least aquadrupling of this particular
side effect.
So we have a brand-newphenomenon with the white
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fibrous clots and we have aquadrupling of an existing
microclotting issue and, inaddition to that, the
traditional what's called grapejelly clots.
These are the kind of clotsthat embalmers used to find
before COVID and the vaccines,and they look just like dark
grape jelly and they dissolveeasily in your hands.
Those actually also increasedby about 30% and they were
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becoming more viscous as well,more like grape jam than grape
jelly.
So it's kind of a triple whammyhere that the embalmers are
seeing in terms of you know,increase in grape jelly cloths,
traditional cloths, as well asthe quadrupling of the micro
clotting and then this brand newphenomenon of these really
scary, tough, large and rubberywhite fibrous clots.
Dr. Robert Jackson (11:48):
Yeah, and see, that makes sense to me
because, as I told you before westarted, I have seen an
increase, dramatic increase, inmy patients experiencing deep
vein thrombosis, dramaticincrease in my patients
experiencing deep veinthrombosis, pulmonary embolus
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and, of course, the post-COVIDjab patients having COVID long
haul with brain fog.
Major Tom Haviland (12:13):
And all of that makes perfect sense.
That does not surprise me atall.
I ran last year, in the fall of2024, a people's blood clot
survey and one of the questionsI asked is where are you
experiencing your blood clottingissue?
This is for people who haveblood clotting issues since
January of 2020.
And in the responses, the main,the main, the number one
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location was the legs deep veinthrombosis in the legs.
Number two was pulmonaryembolisms up in the lungs which,
as you know, dr Jackson, areextremely dangerous.
So those were the two mostpopular areas where these people
were having clotting issues.
So it matches exactly whatyou're seeing in your own
practice.
Now one of the things that'sinteresting is when I ran this
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latest survey in 2024, again weincreased the number of
responses.
We got 301 responses this year.
But, interestingly, my bestparticipant from 2023 survey was
the Pennsylvania FuneralDirectors Association and I had
called them and asked thempersonally to pass the email to
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have their embalmers take itback in 2023.
The email to have theirembalmers take it back in 2023,
and they did that because twodays after I asked them to do
that, I received 125 responsesin the two days right after I
asked them to forward my surveyto the embalmers in the state of
Pennsylvania.
But what was really odd is thisyear in the 2024 survey, they
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refused to participate in thesurvey despite the fact that
their president was seeingunusual clotting in his own
corpses.
In fact, one of the statementshe has is he says nearly every
person that I embalm is notgetting good distribution to one
or both of the hands below theelbow, something I have not seen
in the past.
So isn't that unusual that theparticular general director of
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association of.
Pennsylvania chose toparticipate in my 2023 survey,
but then declined to participatein my 2024 survey.
I just found that as odd.
Dr. Robert Jackson (14:13):
Do you have an explanation for that?
Major Tom Haviland (14:15):
Well, you know, a couple things crossed my
mind right away.
The CDC has told us that about80% of American adults over the
age of 18 took at least thefirst two COVID vaccines back in
2021.
So these people, these funeraldirector associations, their
presidents, their funeraldirectors themselves, they may
have some cognitive dissonancegoing on right.
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They may have taken the shotsthemselves and may not want to
know the answers to thequestions.
Another thing is these funeraldirector associations and their
presidents.
Would you want to participatein a survey that may show a link
between the COVID-19 vaccinesand these white fibrous clots
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and this micro clotting?
If you had mandated all youremployees of your funeral home,
between the COVID-19 vaccine andthese white fibers clots and
this micro clotting, if you hadmandated all your employees?
Dr. Robert Jackson (15:07):
of your funeral home.
Take the COVID-19 vaccine right.
You might be setting yourselfup for a liability suit.
Major Tom Haviland (15:11):
That's exactly right.
So I think that's maybe what'sgoing on here as well.
They don't want to implicatethemselves in case one of their
own funeral home employees getsinjured by the jabs.
Dr. Robert Jackson (15:20):
Yeah, I hadn't even thought about that,
that liability thing, exactly.
You see, I hadn't thought aboutthat.
Major Tom Havilan (15:27):
Traditionally , there's always been a privacy
to the embalming room.
You don't talk about the dead,it's a very private thing.
So, that's also another factoras well.
Dr. Robert Jackson (15:37):
It was very interesting to me when I read
your article about who declinedto respond and I was pondering
why would these folks decline torespond?
And now that makes perfectsense to me.
Well, let me ask you anotherquestion, major.
What are the experts suggestingas the cause of these massive
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clots and the micro-clotting?
What are you hearing?
Major Tom Haviland (16:04):
Well, it's interesting because Richard
Hirschman, the embalmer from theDied Suddenly movie, has been
sending samples of the clots tolaboratories all over the world.
We're working with oneparticular team headed by a
gentleman in Sydney, australia,named Mr Greg Harrison, and he
sent the clots to variousuniversity labs and they've
looked at the clots and doneseveral tests on the cloths and
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basically their theory is thatthe cloths basically the spike
protein either from the COVIDvirus or the COVID vaccine is
causing its bonding with ourbody's natural fibrinogen.
We all have a protein that'sproduced by the liver, called
fibrinogen, as very important inthe clotting, normal clotting
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process.
It's in a liquid form, that'sin your blood plasma, and when
there's ever damage done to thevascular system, your veins or
arteries, you get a cut, thenthe clotting response is
triggered and that fibrinogen isconverted from a liquid form in
your plasma into a white solidcalled fibrin.
It sets up like a net, almostlike a lattice structure, and
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then it captures red blood cellsand platelets and forms a clot.
That then forms and blocks thecut that you have on your arm
and keeps you from bleeding outuntil that cut is healed.
And then we have another enzymecalled plasmin that comes down,
comes there to the clot,attaches to the fibrinogen
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fibrin and breaks it down, andthen the clot dissolves,
disappears and you're good to goagain.
Your wound is healed, you'reall set to go again.
But what's happening is both thespike protein from the virus or
from the vaccine is becomingphosphorylated.
It's actually picking up theelement phosphorus in the
bloodstream and then it actuallyhas a great affinity for our
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natural fibrinogen.
So it's interrupting thatprocess, that conversion of
fibrinogen liquid into the solidfibrin, and it's also making
that fibrinogen misfold.
And we've actually seen a highmagnification, at 5,000 times
magnified under a scanningelectron microscope, thanks to a
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neuroscientist in Japan namedDr Kevin McCarran, that you can
see that the fibrinogen isgetting all twisted up with
nodules on it and it's basicallybecoming a gummed-up mess and
it becomes almost impossiblethen for our natural enzyme,
plasmin, to attach and break itdown.
So then these clots tend topersist and grow to these
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enormous lengths.
In fact, richard Hirschman, theembalmer, has one in a tube
that's about 19 inches long thatwas pulled out of the torso of
one of his corpses, a 19-inchlong cloth that's about a half
an inch wide.
Dr. Robert Jackson (18:50):
My goodness, Just horrific.
My goodness, that could havecaused amazing damage in a
living patient.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Well now, were you able tospeak to any medical doctors
about their experience withthese amazing clots?
Major Tom Haviland (19:10):
Yeah, I was actually.
I was contacted last March by aOBGYN from Jacksonville,
florida.
His name is Dr Dan McDyer andhe introduced me to a colleague
of his who's an endovascularspecialist and cardiologist that
works on what's called a cathlab.
It's a catheterization lab.
This gentleman wants to remainanonymous for now, but he's been
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working in this cath lab forquite some time and he admitted
to me that he's been pullingthese same white fibrous clots
out of living people for thelast four years as well.
So this is not just happeningin the dead.
These things, like I said, areoccurring in the living and
they're causing strokes andheart attacks.
In fact, there's another doctorin the UK, dr Philip McMillan.
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He runs a YouTube channelcalled Vegen Health V-E-G-E-N
and he's found his own cath labwhistleblower A cath lab, by the
way, it's short forcatheterization lab.
It's staffed with cardiologists,endovascular specialists,
vascular surgeons, nurses,anesthesiologists, radiologists
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and they go in and they removecloths from living people and
typically prior to COVID, thatmeant great jelly cloths, which
were the types that were seenback then, but now it's these
white fibers cloths.
In fact, when this gentlemanwhistleblower that talked to Dr
Philip McMillan, he did a52-minute Substack interview
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with him.
He's been working in the samecath lab for 20 years.
He's pulling anywhere betweenthree to ten of these white
fibrous clots out of livingpeople every week in his cath
lab alone.
And, unlike the embalmers,these doctors do have access to
the COVID vaccination records ofall their patients so he can
tell you how many shots they'vetaken, what brand they took when
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they took their last COVIDvaccine taken.
You know what brand they tookwhen they took their last COVID
vaccine.
And he says 99% of the timewhen he finds the white fibrous
clots, that person's been jabbedwith anywhere between one to
eight COVID jabs and the morejabs they've taken, the worse
the clotting seems to be.
Dr. Robert Jackson (21:12):
Well you and I could have predicted that,
couldn't we?
Major Tom Haviland (21:15):
Yeah, based on what?
Dr. Robert Jackson (21:17):
we know.
Well, now talk to me about thepatients that you've surveyed.
You mentioned the patientsurveys.
What are the patients saying?
Major Tom Haviland (21:26):
Yeah, what's interesting is based upon the
contact I have with that doctor,that endovascular specialist
and cardiologist fromJacksonville.
Last year I attempted actuallyfirst to run a cath lab worker
survey and I sent that out tothe societies for vascular
surgery all over the world.
For example, here in the UnitedStates, the US Society for
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Vascular Surgery isheadquartered in Rosemont,
illinois, and they brag onhaving over 6,300 member
vascular surgeons across theUnited States, but they, like
all the others around the world,refused to take my survey.
I could not get a singlesurgeon vascular surgeon or
endovascular specialist or cathlab worker to take a survey that
I made specifically for them.
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So I said you know, if I cannotget good information from the
doctor, and maybe I can get goodinformation from the patient,
it.
So I developed a 2024 People'sBlood Clot Survey, which Dr John
Campbell, a famous YouTuber inEngland, advertised for me with
a QR code, and also ClaytonMorris from Redacted News.
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He and his wife, natalie, do ashow called Redacted News.
They also displayed it and Iasked if you or anybody you know
has had blood clotting issuessince January of 2020, because I
wanted to catch the year.
We had COVID, but no vaccinesyet as well, I said please take
this survey.
And would you believe, drJackson?
Within just two weeks I gotover 1,400 responses from people
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all over the world, everycontinent, talking about their
clotting problem or a lovedone's clotting problem.
So the patients were happy totell me about their blood
clotting experience, even thoughI got zero responses from the
doctors.
Dr. Robert Jackson (23:09):
The doctors are afraid of liability.
Major Tom Haviland (23:11):
Let me read a few of the things that came
out of that survey to you.
Of those, what was interestingis, of the 1,400 people that
responded 1,425 that respondedto that survey only 80 of the
people said they had their bloodclotting issue in the year 2020
.
But, then that number jumped to524 people having blood
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clotting issues in the year 2021.
What's that tell you?
It tells me that 2020 was theyear that we had the virus, but
no vaccine yet yeah like I said,the number was low there 80,
only 80 people having problems,but then in 20, in 2021, when
the after the vaccines wereintroduced, the number
skyrockets to 524 and it staysup in the 500s all the way
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through 2024.
So that's telling me something.
One of the next questions Iasked is did the person with the
clots take the COVID-19 vaccine?
Of the 1,425 that responded,1,300 of them 1,294 said yes,
the person did take the COVIDvaccine.
Another question I asked themis how soon did the person
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develop the blood clotting issueafter taking the vaccine?
What's interesting here is wehad answers that spanned all the
way from less than two weeksall the way up to a year or
greater, which tells me that itcan come on quickly, or also
could come on slowly to developthese white fibrous clots.
So I think that's a veryinteresting result there yes,
yes.
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As I mentioned earlier, when Iasked them what part of the body
the clotting happened in andlegs was number one, as you said
you were seeing followed bylungs, number two, followed by
brain, then heart, then abdomenand then kind of a catch catch
all for nose, eye, arms anduterus.
When I asked them how the bloodclotting issue was resolved, of
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the 1400 people 383, almost 400people said it's still not
resolved yet.
They still have the bloodclotting problem.
98 said that it went away onits own.
416 were able to dissolve theclot using clot-busting drugs
like tissue plasminogenactivators.
So that's a good sign.
But 257 people actually had tohave the clot surgically or
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physically removed.
I suspect most of those werethe white fibers clot variety,
because the tissue plasminogenactivator works really well
against the grape jelly clotsbut it has no effect at all on
these really stubborn, hard,tough, white, white fibrous
clots.
Unfortunately, 242 people didnot get the issue resolved and
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they passed away.
They died.
So this is a very serious issue.
One of the things we asked themat the end is hey, if the
person's clot was physicallyremoved by a doctor, would you
be willing to share thatdoctor's name?
Only 142 out of the 1,400people, just 10% said they would
be willing to share thedoctor's name.
I don't think they want to gettheir doctor in trouble.
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Maybe, they like their doctorand they want to keep him.
Dr. Robert Jackson (26:18):
Yeah, they want to keep them, yeah.
Major Tom Haviland (26:20):
Yeah, they want to keep confidentiality,
yeah again, it kind of points tothe whole cover-up thing in
this thing.
Dr. Robert Jackson (26:26):
Yeah, that's right.
Major Tom Haviland (26:27):
Which is interesting.
Let me read to you a couplecomments that came out of this
particular survey.
It's at the end of each of oursurveys.
We allow the embalmers forexample the embalmer surveys to
take to submit comments.
By the way, in the embalmersurveys I never mention the
words COVID or COVID vaccine.
We only ask the embalmers whatdo you see and when did you see
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it?
Dr. Robert Jackson (26:51):
you know and what percentage of your corpses
have these phenomenon in them.
Major Tom Haviland (26:55):
We try to keep the surveys as unbiased as
possible and not leave thewitness.
And some of the embalmers saidhey, you know what was
interesting is, some of themtalked a lot about the vaccines,
even though I never mentionedit in any of the questions.
They made their own connectionsExactly In the people survey.
Here's one from a surgicalnurse who actually works in a
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hospital.
She says surgical nurse, seeinga huge increase in clots.
We are doing more amputationsthan I've seen in my whole
career.
I'm definitely seeing the clotsyou're describing.
When I say it's probably due tothe COVID shot, everyone
ignores me and there's silencein the operating room.
I also hear the surgeons sayingI've never seen anything like
this before.
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Also during heart surgeries thesurgeons are having a hard time
suturing as the tissues arejust falling apart.
Once again the surgeons aresaying I've never seen anything
like this before.
A lot of patients are dying.
Here's another one I think maybe the most spectacular of the
comments I got from the publicon this people survey.
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It says I was feeling fine.
Then started to have pain leftside below shoulder blade,
started sweating and feelingweak.
Called the ambulance.
Ecg did not show heart attack.
Rushed to emergency.
Ecg did not show heart attack.
Third different emergencyDoctor did ECG and ultrasound.
They were all perplexed.
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A cardiologist was called.
I was sent to a heart institute.
Arriving there I went intocardiac arrest, was out two
minutes, three sets ofcompressions and four
defibrillator shocks used.
They went in through an arteryat the wrist.
They removed fibrous clot.
Dr. Robert Jackson (28:38):
Oh my.
Major Tom Haviland (28:39):
They did not want to tell me, but a nurse
whispered to me it's the vaccine.
We have so many Follow-upappointment with a cardiologist.
I asked the question directly.
The doctor looked down and saidI cannot talk about it at the
risk of losing my job.
What do you think of that, drJackson?
Dr. Robert Jackson (28:58):
Yeah, I've heard that story so many times.
I could throw up.
I'm just telling you.
Major Tom Haviland (29:04):
It's disgusting, isn't it?
Dr. Robert Jackson (29:05):
It is.
These doctors take an oath tohelp us and to me it's just
they're all afraid of thehospital management and they're
cowards.
That's all there is to it it'sa darn shame, isn't it?
It is.
Major Tom Haviland (29:20):
And you know , what's been really frustrating
for me is not only thereluctance of the embalmers and
most of the funeral directorassociations and obviously, like
I said earlier, the doctors,surgeons, vascular surgeons and
cardiologists, endovascularspecialists around the country
not to want to answer my surveys, but also the fact that I've
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been getting stonewalled by theFDA, the CDC, the NIH.
Every time that I have thesesurveys done, I immediately send
the results to the CDC, fda andNIH and I have heard nothing
but crickets over the last threeyears.
Dr. Robert Jackson (29:57):
Dr Jackson, they won't even respond to you.
No, no, they won't even respondto you at all.
No, no, I can't even respond toyou at all.
Major Tom Haviland (30:03):
No no, In fact just today, I actually
submitted what's called theVaccine and Related Biological
Products Advisory Committee.
They're under the FDA andthey're getting ready to have a
meeting on the 22nd of May soit's just about a week from now
and they're going to talk abouttheir plan for the COVID
vaccines for the 2025-2026season.
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What they're going to do Now.
There has been some talk aboutremoving the COVID vaccines from
the childhood schedule and therecommendations for them to give
them to children, which wouldbe excellent, I'm all for that
I'm very happy about that.
Of course I like to see them goall the way and ban the shots.
I'm all for that.
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I'm very happy about that.
Of course I like to see them goall the way and ban the shots
permanently.
just take them off the shelvesfor everybody At least it would
be a good start if they tookthem off the shelves for a child
younger than 18 years old.
So that would be wonderful.
But I did send them a packagetoday with the results of my
surveys latest results, andimploring them to please at
least suspend the shots untilthey can be proven to be safe
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and effective, which I don'tthink they'll be able to prove.
So basically I'm saying I thinkit should be taken off the
market permanently.
Dr. Robert Jackson (31:14):
Well, we'll get our listeners to be praying
for that, I'm just telling you.
Well, what else is next for youother than sending this
information to the CDC and thevaccine panel?
Major Tom Haviland (31:26):
Well, the dam is starting to break a
little bit on organizationsadmitting that the cloth exists
and that this is indeed aproblem.
I've been invited on June 8th togo speak, be a guest speaker at
the Tennessee Funeral DirectorsAssociation annual conference.
It's in Franklin, tennessee, onJune 8th, and their president,
taylor Moore, invited me to comespeak to all the funeral
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directors and embalmers at thatconvention to brief the results
of my surveys.
Obviously, I'll tell them fromthe scientific information about
what the clots are made of andhow they're forming.
So I think that audience willbe very interested to find that
out, because I know this hasbeen psychologically damaging on
the embalmers over the lastfour years.
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They're seeing these horrificclots, they're seeing people
that are younger than theyshould be winding up on their
embalming table with heartattacks and strokes and it's
taken a toll on them, I'm sure,mentally, and you know it's time
for them to come out and speakout about it and admit to the
world that this is indeedhappening and then help us get
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you know these shots taken offthe shelves that are causing
these things.
Dr. Robert Jackson (32:39):
Well, I'm glad you're not a pariah and
that these folks are recognizingthe truth of the things that
you've been uncovering andsharing.
Well, look, my time is up,major, I've got to move on.
I appreciate your expertise, Iappreciate your courage and I
appreciate the willingness toshare this information with the
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world.
I pray that the Lord will blessyou and bless your efforts, and
who knows, it might be thesesurveys that will turn the tide
with the folks that approve anddisapprove vaccines.
You never, never know.
Major Tom Haviland (33:18):
Amen.
Thank you so much, Dr Jackson,for having me on the show.
Dr. Robert Jackson (33:22):
I appreciate you coming on and I'm speaking
to my listeners now.
I'm going to ask all of you outthere to pray for Major
Haviland and pray for hissurveys that have been submitted
to the.
Tell me exactly who it went to.
Major Tom Haviland (33:39):
The CDC, the FDA, nih and HHS.
Dr. Robert Jackson (33:43):
And what was the committee that's going to
be considering the vaccine?
Major Tom Haviland (33:46):
Oh, the Vaccine and Related Biological
Products Advisory Committee.
Dr. Robert Jackson (33:51):
That's a lot .
It's called the VERBPAC, theVERBPAC.
All right, we'll rememberVERBPAC okay.
There you go so we're going toask all my listeners to pray for
that committee and to pray forMajor Tom Haviland.
And Tom, thanks for coming onto More Than Medicine.
I'd like to have you back againat a later date.
That's all the time we have.
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Dr. Robert Jackson (00:24):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm privileged today tohave online with me Tom Haviland
, who is a retired major fromthe Air Force and a researcher
for the last two years or so,and I found an article in the
(00:49):
New American by Rebecca Terrell,who interviewed him for the
article and it was quitefascinating and so, major, I'm
going to ask you to introduceyourself and then we're going to
introduce the topic that was inthe New American.
So tell my listeners a littlebit about yourself.
Major Tom Haviland (01:11):
Sure, dr Jackson, thanks for having me on
the show.
My name's Tom Haviland.
I'm a retired US Air Forcemajor, spent 20 years in the Air
Force, then spent 16 yearsafter that as a defense
contractor working with the AirForce, so a total of 36 years in
and with the Air Force.
Electrical engineer Used towork with fighter aircraft like
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the F-16, the F-22 Raptor, theF-117 Stealth Fighter.
Loved my job, dr Jackson, butit all came to an abrupt halt in
October of 2021 when I refusedto take the COVID-19 vaccine.
Very wisely, I was going to putthe mandates out right around
that time and I got an email.
(01:52):
In fact, everybody else atWright-Parrison Air Force Base,
ohio, where I was working, gotan email, and the email was from
a three-star Air Force generalwho said the dates that the
military, the government,civilians and us defense
contractors of which I was onehad to get our shots by or else
get kicked out.
So I sent him back an email, drJackson, and I said shame on
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you.
Remember, this is an Air Forcethree-star general.
I said shame on you.
Instead of standing up for ourright to decide for ourselves
whether or not to take anexperimental drug, you chose to
spend your time trying to guiltus into taking the jab.
Shame on you.
And I didn't just send thatemail to him, I sent it to all
30,000 people that work atWright Patterson Air Force Base,
(02:37):
ohio.
So I knew what was going tohappen.
I got a call a half hour laterfrom my defense contractor boss
and I was fired for my $165,000a year job as an electrical
engineer for shaming the AirForce three-star general in
front of the entire base.
You know, but somebody had to doit.
None of the colonels, none ofthe generals were pushing back
on this.
What we know now is an unlawfulmandate.
(03:00):
We knew it then.
They just tried to push it onpeople.
But you know, I made my standthat day and it actually turned
out to be a blessing for mebecause I went into early
retirement.
I was 61 at the time, so I justwent into retirement and it
gave me the time these lastthree years to work on these
unusual worldwide embalmer bloodclot surveys.
Dr. Robert Jackson (03:22):
Now tell us a little bit about that now.
I need to know exactly what youmean by that.
Major Tom Haviland (03:29):
Yeah, what I did is.
In early fall of 2022, Iwatched a movie called Died
Suddenly.
People can still see it.
It's on rumble.
It's about an hour-longdocumentary and about half the
film is devoted to these six orseven embalmers that said they
were seeing these unusual whitefibrous clots in the veins and
arteries of their corpses, andthese are embalmers with 20 or
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30 years of experience that hadnever seen this phenomenon
before, until 2021, after theCOVID vaccines rolled out.
Dr. Robert Jackson (03:59):
Yeah, I saw that same documentary and it was
fascinating to me and shocking.
Major Tom Haviland (04:04):
It really is .
It was strange and what reallystruck me, dr Jackson, is at the
13-minute and 15-second mark,an amazing statement was made.
An embalmer from the state ofIndiana, a Mr Wallace Hooker,
was lecturing at an OhioEmbalmers Association conference
in Columbus, ohio, on the 26thof October in 2022.
And he was lecturing to a roomfull of 100 embalmers and he
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showed them photographs of thewhite fibrous cloths that he'd
been removing from his corpsesfor about the last year at that
time and he said hey, by a showof hands, how many of you are
seeing these same unusual,strange cloths?
And he said almost the entireroom of 100 embalmers raised
their hands.
Yes.
He then asked them did when didyou start seeing them?
And they all agreed it was inthe middle of 2021, about six
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months after the covid vaccinesrolled out.
So I know there were someproblems with that movie, but
you know, whatever else happened, either that statement is true
or false, right, either thoseembalmers raised their hands or
they didn't.
So I got up the next day afterI watched the movie the Night it
Premiered.
It was the Monday of the weekof Thanksgiving of November 2022
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.
I got up the next day, tuesday,and I said to myself.
You know, I don't think anyreporter is going to chase after
this story, so I myself, Icalled the Ohio Embalmers
Association.
We're located in Cincinnati,ohio.
I live in Dayton, just about anhour north of there.
I talked to their president, aMr Dan Becker, their vice
president, a Mr Woody Wilson,and their secretary, mr David
Hicks, and I asked all threegentlemen, hey, did you happen
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to be in the room at the timethat those 100 embalmers
supposedly raised their handssaying they're seeing these
clots too?
Well, none of the three of themhappened to be in the room at
the time.
However, the vice president, mrWoody Wilson, who is now, by
the way, the president of theOhio Embalmers Association.
He runs his own funeral home upin Marysville, ohio, about an
hour north of where I live, andhe does his own embalming.
(05:54):
A lot of funeral directors dotheir own embalming yeah, yeah
and woody said to me tom, I'mseeing the white fibrous clots
too.
So I said, wow, this is a bigdeal.
Right now I have an officialofficer, the now president of
the ohio embalmers association,corroborating these six or seven
embalmers in this died suddenlymovie, saying that he's seeing
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the clots too.
So right there, and then Idecided to do a survey, a
nationwide survey, which I thenlater on turned into a worldwide
survey by including Canada, theUK and Australia and New
Zealand, to see just howprevalent these clots were,
because I knew that our own CDCand FDA were not looking into
this.
So I figured, well, somebodybetter look into it.
(06:38):
So that led me to the creationof these now three worldwide
embalmer blood clot surveys, andthe results are shocking, dr
Jackson.
Dr. Robert Jackson (06:47):
Well now, you did this using SurveyMonkey.
Major Tom Haviland (06:52):
Correct.
I worked with a nice woman, afriend of mine up in northeast
Ohio, named Laura Kasner, whohappens to be an expert in
SurveyMonkey.
So we created about a10-question survey.
It only takes about three orfour minutes to take and we used
a two-prong approach to sendthe survey.
First of all, the questions weput on the survey were questions
we knew the embalmers couldanswer.
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Basically, when did you startseeing the clots?
Are you seeing the clots?
And then, what percentage ofyour corpses are you seeing the
clots?
Those are the main questions weask the embalmers.
And to distribute the survey,what we did is we we used a
two-prong approach.
We used a top-down approach bysending the survey in an email
with the link to the SurveyMonkey survey to 50 national,
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regional and state funeraldirector associations all over
the world, and each withhundreds of members under them,
asking them to forward thesurvey link down to their active
embalmer so they could take thesurvey through the state and
regional national associations.
Then we used a bottom-upapproach by actually, I looked
up the email addresses for over1,700 funeral homes around the
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world and sent an email to themdirectly with the link.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:02):
I got you.
Major Tom Haviland (08:02):
Trying to maximize, you know, the number
of responses.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:05):
Yeah.
Major Tom Haviland (08:06):
So in the first survey that we ran at the
end of 2022, we had only 179responses to that survey, so we
got off to a little bit of aslow start, but still, in that
first survey there were threemain conclusions to that 119 of
the 179 embalmers that'stwo-thirds 66% said they were
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indeed seeing the white fibrousclots.
The main consensus of thoseembalmers is that the clots
started for them in 2021, afterthe rollout of the COVID
vaccines, and then maybe themost shocking stat was they were
seeing these clots in anaverage of 30% of their corpses.
So, these things are not rare.
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These things are quiteprevalent.
I was actually shocked when Igot that result.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:52):
Yeah, that is shocking, then we ran the
survey again in 2023.
Major Tom Haviland (08:57):
In 2023, we did better in terms of responses
.
We had 269 responses to thesurvey, so we did 90 responses
better.
We determined that theembalmers were seeing the clots
in 20% of their corpses, so thatwas good news.
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The percentage of corpses withthe clots went down.
But, there were still about 73%of the embalmers.
197 out of the 269 said theywere seeing the white fibrous
clots, so we knew this was aphenomenon that was going on.
The embalmers in that secondsurvey also asked us to ask some
questions about anotherphenomenon called microclotting.
Dr. Robert Jackson (09:40):
Right.
Major Tom Haviland (09:41):
And they don't describe it as that, and
Balmers actually described it aswhat looks like dirty blood or
coffee grounds in the blood.
As they're trying to get theblood out of the corpse and put
the formaldehyde in, they'll seewhat looks like coffee grounds
in the blood and that could bean indication of another
phenomenon called microclotting,which can be just as dangerous
as the white fibrous clots.
Microclotting, which can bejust as dangerous as the white
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fibrous clots, we think thewhite fibrous clots, which are
large and rubbery and can be 10inches long or more, are
blocking veins and arteries andcausing heart attacks and
strokes.
The microclotting, we believe,occurs at the capillary level,
your very small blood vesselsand it can block the exchange of
oxygen at the lungs and thencarrying that oxygen to all your
major organs of your body, likeyour brain, your eyes.
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You have very small capillariesin your brain and your eyes and
that might be a reason whypeople are suffering from some
symptoms like brain fog or poorvision problems.
They may have microclottinggoing on inside them, and in the
2023 survey that I ran, theembalmers saw that About 80% of
the embalmers saw thatphenomenon and they saw that in
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a shocking 25% of their corpses,and this is a phenomenon.
Microcloning is something theyhad seen prior to the years of
COVID and the vaccines, but inway less than 5% of their
corpses, particularly inpatients that had heavy
chemotherapy.
So this was at least aquadrupling of this particular
side effect.
So we have a brand-newphenomenon with the white
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fibrous clots and we have aquadrupling of an existing
microclotting issue and, inaddition to that, the
traditional what's called grapejelly clots.
These are the kind of clotsthat embalmers used to find
before COVID and the vaccines,and they look just like dark
grape jelly and they dissolveeasily in your hands.
Those actually also increasedby about 30% and they were
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becoming more viscous as well,more like grape jam than grape
jelly.
So it's kind of a triple whammyhere that the embalmers are
seeing in terms of you know,increase in grape jelly cloths,
traditional cloths, as well asthe quadrupling of the micro
clotting and then this brand newphenomenon of these really
scary, tough, large and rubberywhite fibrous clots.
Dr. Robert Jackson (11:48):
Yeah, and see, that makes sense to me
because, as I told you before westarted, I have seen an
increase, dramatic increase, inmy patients experiencing deep
vein thrombosis, dramaticincrease in my patients
experiencing deep veinthrombosis, pulmonary embolus
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and, of course, the post-COVIDjab patients having COVID long
haul with brain fog.
Major Tom Haviland (12:13):
And all of that makes perfect sense.
That does not surprise me atall.
I ran last year, in the fall of2024, a people's blood clot
survey and one of the questionsI asked is where are you
experiencing your blood clottingissue?
This is for people who haveblood clotting issues since
January of 2020.
And in the responses, the main,the main, the number one
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location was the legs deep veinthrombosis in the legs.
Number two was pulmonaryembolisms up in the lungs which,
as you know, dr Jackson, areextremely dangerous.
So those were the two mostpopular areas where these people
were having clotting issues.
So it matches exactly whatyou're seeing in your own
practice.
Now one of the things that'sinteresting is when I ran this
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latest survey in 2024, again weincreased the number of
responses.
We got 301 responses this year.
But, interestingly, my bestparticipant from 2023 survey was
the Pennsylvania FuneralDirectors Association and I had
called them and asked thempersonally to pass the email to
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have their embalmers take itback in 2023.
The email to have theirembalmers take it back in 2023,
and they did that because twodays after I asked them to do
that, I received 125 responsesin the two days right after I
asked them to forward my surveyto the embalmers in the state of
Pennsylvania.
But what was really odd is thisyear in the 2024 survey, they
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refused to participate in thesurvey despite the fact that
their president was seeingunusual clotting in his own
corpses.
In fact, one of the statementshe has is he says nearly every
person that I embalm is notgetting good distribution to one
or both of the hands below theelbow, something I have not seen
in the past.
So isn't that unusual that theparticular general director of
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association of.
Pennsylvania chose toparticipate in my 2023 survey,
but then declined to participatein my 2024 survey.
I just found that as odd.
Dr. Robert Jackson (14:13):
Do you have an explanation for that?
Major Tom Haviland (14:15):
Well, you know, a couple things crossed my
mind right away.
The CDC has told us that about80% of American adults over the
age of 18 took at least thefirst two COVID vaccines back in
2021.
So these people, these funeraldirector associations, their
presidents, their funeraldirectors themselves, they may
have some cognitive dissonancegoing on right.
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They may have taken the shotsthemselves and may not want to
know the answers to thequestions.
Another thing is these funeraldirector associations and their
presidents.
Would you want to participatein a survey that may show a link
between the COVID-19 vaccinesand these white fibrous clots
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and this micro clotting?
If you had mandated all youremployees of your funeral home,
between the COVID-19 vaccine andthese white fibers clots and
this micro clotting, if you hadmandated all your employees?
Dr. Robert Jackson (15:07):
of your funeral home.
Take the COVID-19 vaccine right.
You might be setting yourselfup for a liability suit.
Major Tom Haviland (15:11):
That's exactly right.
So I think that's maybe what'sgoing on here as well.
They don't want to implicatethemselves in case one of their
own funeral home employees getsinjured by the jabs.
Dr. Robert Jackson (15:20):
Yeah, I hadn't even thought about that,
that liability thing, exactly.
You see, I hadn't thought aboutthat.
Major Tom Havilan (15:27):
Traditionally , there's always been a privacy
to the embalming room.
You don't talk about the dead,it's a very private thing.
So, that's also another factoras well.
Dr. Robert Jackson (15:37):
It was very interesting to me when I read
your article about who declinedto respond and I was pondering
why would these folks decline torespond?
And now that makes perfectsense to me.
Well, let me ask you anotherquestion, major.
What are the experts suggestingas the cause of these massive
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clots and the micro-clotting?
What are you hearing?
Major Tom Haviland (16:04):
Well, it's interesting because Richard
Hirschman, the embalmer from theDied Suddenly movie, has been
sending samples of the clots tolaboratories all over the world.
We're working with oneparticular team headed by a
gentleman in Sydney, australia,named Mr Greg Harrison, and he
sent the clots to variousuniversity labs and they've
looked at the clots and doneseveral tests on the cloths and
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basically their theory is thatthe cloths basically the spike
protein either from the COVIDvirus or the COVID vaccine is
causing its bonding with ourbody's natural fibrinogen.
We all have a protein that'sproduced by the liver, called
fibrinogen, as very important inthe clotting, normal clotting
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process.
It's in a liquid form, that'sin your blood plasma, and when
there's ever damage done to thevascular system, your veins or
arteries, you get a cut, thenthe clotting response is
triggered and that fibrinogen isconverted from a liquid form in
your plasma into a white solidcalled fibrin.
It sets up like a net, almostlike a lattice structure, and
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then it captures red blood cellsand platelets and forms a clot.
That then forms and blocks thecut that you have on your arm
and keeps you from bleeding outuntil that cut is healed.
And then we have another enzymecalled plasmin that comes down,
comes there to the clot,attaches to the fibrinogen
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fibrin and breaks it down, andthen the clot dissolves,
disappears and you're good to goagain.
Your wound is healed, you'reall set to go again.
But what's happening is both thespike protein from the virus or
from the vaccine is becomingphosphorylated.
It's actually picking up theelement phosphorus in the
bloodstream and then it actuallyhas a great affinity for our
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natural fibrinogen.
So it's interrupting thatprocess, that conversion of
fibrinogen liquid into the solidfibrin, and it's also making
that fibrinogen misfold.
And we've actually seen a highmagnification, at 5,000 times
magnified under a scanningelectron microscope, thanks to a
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neuroscientist in Japan namedDr Kevin McCarran, that you can
see that the fibrinogen isgetting all twisted up with
nodules on it and it's basicallybecoming a gummed-up mess and
it becomes almost impossiblethen for our natural enzyme,
plasmin, to attach and break itdown.
So then these clots tend topersist and grow to these
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enormous lengths.
In fact, richard Hirschman, theembalmer, has one in a tube
that's about 19 inches long thatwas pulled out of the torso of
one of his corpses, a 19-inchlong cloth that's about a half
an inch wide.
Dr. Robert Jackson (18:50):
My goodness, Just horrific.
My goodness, that could havecaused amazing damage in a
living patient.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Well now, were you able tospeak to any medical doctors
about their experience withthese amazing clots?
Major Tom Haviland (19:10):
Yeah, I was actually.
I was contacted last March by aOBGYN from Jacksonville,
florida.
His name is Dr Dan McDyer andhe introduced me to a colleague
of his who's an endovascularspecialist and cardiologist that
works on what's called a cathlab.
It's a catheterization lab.
This gentleman wants to remainanonymous for now, but he's been
(19:31):
working in this cath lab forquite some time and he admitted
to me that he's been pullingthese same white fibrous clots
out of living people for thelast four years as well.
So this is not just happeningin the dead.
These things, like I said, areoccurring in the living and
they're causing strokes andheart attacks.
In fact, there's another doctorin the UK, dr Philip McMillan.
(19:54):
He runs a YouTube channelcalled Vegen Health V-E-G-E-N
and he's found his own cath labwhistleblower A cath lab, by the
way, it's short forcatheterization lab.
It's staffed with cardiologists,endovascular specialists,
vascular surgeons, nurses,anesthesiologists, radiologists
(20:14):
and they go in and they removecloths from living people and
typically prior to COVID, thatmeant great jelly cloths, which
were the types that were seenback then, but now it's these
white fibers cloths.
In fact, when this gentlemanwhistleblower that talked to Dr
Philip McMillan, he did a52-minute Substack interview
(20:35):
with him.
He's been working in the samecath lab for 20 years.
He's pulling anywhere betweenthree to ten of these white
fibrous clots out of livingpeople every week in his cath
lab alone.
And, unlike the embalmers,these doctors do have access to
the COVID vaccination records ofall their patients so he can
tell you how many shots they'vetaken, what brand they took when
(20:58):
they took their last COVIDvaccine taken.
You know what brand they tookwhen they took their last COVID
vaccine.
And he says 99% of the timewhen he finds the white fibrous
clots, that person's been jabbedwith anywhere between one to
eight COVID jabs and the morejabs they've taken, the worse
the clotting seems to be.
Dr. Robert Jackson (21:12):
Well you and I could have predicted that,
couldn't we?
Major Tom Haviland (21:15):
Yeah, based on what?
Dr. Robert Jackson (21:17):
we know.
Well, now talk to me about thepatients that you've surveyed.
You mentioned the patientsurveys.
What are the patients saying?
Major Tom Haviland (21:26):
Yeah, what's interesting is based upon the
contact I have with that doctor,that endovascular specialist
and cardiologist fromJacksonville.
Last year I attempted actuallyfirst to run a cath lab worker
survey and I sent that out tothe societies for vascular
surgery all over the world.
For example, here in the UnitedStates, the US Society for
(21:49):
Vascular Surgery isheadquartered in Rosemont,
illinois, and they brag onhaving over 6,300 member
vascular surgeons across theUnited States, but they, like
all the others around the world,refused to take my survey.
I could not get a singlesurgeon vascular surgeon or
endovascular specialist or cathlab worker to take a survey that
I made specifically for them.
(22:10):
So I said you know, if I cannotget good information from the
doctor, and maybe I can get goodinformation from the patient,
it.
So I developed a 2024 People'sBlood Clot Survey, which Dr John
Campbell, a famous YouTuber inEngland, advertised for me with
a QR code, and also ClaytonMorris from Redacted News.
(22:31):
He and his wife, natalie, do ashow called Redacted News.
They also displayed it and Iasked if you or anybody you know
has had blood clotting issuessince January of 2020, because I
wanted to catch the year.
We had COVID, but no vaccinesyet as well, I said please take
this survey.
And would you believe, drJackson?
Within just two weeks I gotover 1,400 responses from people
(22:55):
all over the world, everycontinent, talking about their
clotting problem or a lovedone's clotting problem.
So the patients were happy totell me about their blood
clotting experience, even thoughI got zero responses from the
doctors.
Dr. Robert Jackson (23:09):
The doctors are afraid of liability.
Major Tom Haviland (23:11):
Let me read a few of the things that came
out of that survey to you.
Of those, what was interestingis, of the 1,400 people that
responded 1,425 that respondedto that survey only 80 of the
people said they had their bloodclotting issue in the year 2020
.
But, then that number jumped to524 people having blood
(23:33):
clotting issues in the year 2021.
What's that tell you?
It tells me that 2020 was theyear that we had the virus, but
no vaccine yet yeah like I said,the number was low there 80,
only 80 people having problems,but then in 20, in 2021, when
the after the vaccines wereintroduced, the number
skyrockets to 524 and it staysup in the 500s all the way
(23:57):
through 2024.
So that's telling me something.
One of the next questions Iasked is did the person with the
clots take the COVID-19 vaccine?
Of the 1,425 that responded,1,300 of them 1,294 said yes,
the person did take the COVIDvaccine.
Another question I asked themis how soon did the person
(24:22):
develop the blood clotting issueafter taking the vaccine?
What's interesting here is wehad answers that spanned all the
way from less than two weeksall the way up to a year or
greater, which tells me that itcan come on quickly, or also
could come on slowly to developthese white fibrous clots.
So I think that's a veryinteresting result there yes,
yes.
(24:42):
As I mentioned earlier, when Iasked them what part of the body
the clotting happened in andlegs was number one, as you said
you were seeing followed bylungs, number two, followed by
brain, then heart, then abdomenand then kind of a catch catch
all for nose, eye, arms anduterus.
When I asked them how the bloodclotting issue was resolved, of
(25:07):
the 1400 people 383, almost 400people said it's still not
resolved yet.
They still have the bloodclotting problem.
98 said that it went away onits own.
416 were able to dissolve theclot using clot-busting drugs
like tissue plasminogenactivators.
So that's a good sign.
But 257 people actually had tohave the clot surgically or
(25:31):
physically removed.
I suspect most of those werethe white fibers clot variety,
because the tissue plasminogenactivator works really well
against the grape jelly clotsbut it has no effect at all on
these really stubborn, hard,tough, white, white fibrous
clots.
Unfortunately, 242 people didnot get the issue resolved and
(25:52):
they passed away.
They died.
So this is a very serious issue.
One of the things we asked themat the end is hey, if the
person's clot was physicallyremoved by a doctor, would you
be willing to share thatdoctor's name?
Only 142 out of the 1,400people, just 10% said they would
be willing to share thedoctor's name.
I don't think they want to gettheir doctor in trouble.
(26:16):
Maybe, they like their doctorand they want to keep him.
Dr. Robert Jackson (26:18):
Yeah, they want to keep them, yeah.
Major Tom Haviland (26:20):
Yeah, they want to keep confidentiality,
yeah again, it kind of points tothe whole cover-up thing in
this thing.
Dr. Robert Jackson (26:26):
Yeah, that's right.
Major Tom Haviland (26:27):
Which is interesting.
Let me read to you a couplecomments that came out of this
particular survey.
It's at the end of each of oursurveys.
We allow the embalmers forexample the embalmer surveys to
take to submit comments.
By the way, in the embalmersurveys I never mention the
words COVID or COVID vaccine.
We only ask the embalmers whatdo you see and when did you see
(26:50):
it?
Dr. Robert Jackson (26:51):
you know and what percentage of your corpses
have these phenomenon in them.
Major Tom Haviland (26:55):
We try to keep the surveys as unbiased as
possible and not leave thewitness.
And some of the embalmers saidhey, you know what was
interesting is, some of themtalked a lot about the vaccines,
even though I never mentionedit in any of the questions.
They made their own connectionsExactly In the people survey.
Here's one from a surgicalnurse who actually works in a
(27:15):
hospital.
She says surgical nurse, seeinga huge increase in clots.
We are doing more amputationsthan I've seen in my whole
career.
I'm definitely seeing the clotsyou're describing.
When I say it's probably due tothe COVID shot, everyone
ignores me and there's silencein the operating room.
I also hear the surgeons sayingI've never seen anything like
this before.
(27:36):
Also during heart surgeries thesurgeons are having a hard time
suturing as the tissues arejust falling apart.
Once again the surgeons aresaying I've never seen anything
like this before.
A lot of patients are dying.
Here's another one I think maybe the most spectacular of the
comments I got from the publicon this people survey.
(27:58):
It says I was feeling fine.
Then started to have pain leftside below shoulder blade,
started sweating and feelingweak.
Called the ambulance.
Ecg did not show heart attack.
Rushed to emergency.
Ecg did not show heart attack.
Third different emergencyDoctor did ECG and ultrasound.
They were all perplexed.
(28:19):
A cardiologist was called.
I was sent to a heart institute.
Arriving there I went intocardiac arrest, was out two
minutes, three sets ofcompressions and four
defibrillator shocks used.
They went in through an arteryat the wrist.
They removed fibrous clot.
Dr. Robert Jackson (28:38):
Oh my.
Major Tom Haviland (28:39):
They did not want to tell me, but a nurse
whispered to me it's the vaccine.
We have so many Follow-upappointment with a cardiologist.
I asked the question directly.
The doctor looked down and saidI cannot talk about it at the
risk of losing my job.
What do you think of that, drJackson?
Dr. Robert Jackson (28:58):
Yeah, I've heard that story so many times.
I could throw up.
I'm just telling you.
Major Tom Haviland (29:04):
It's disgusting, isn't it?
Dr. Robert Jackson (29:05):
It is.
These doctors take an oath tohelp us and to me it's just
they're all afraid of thehospital management and they're
cowards.
That's all there is to it it'sa darn shame, isn't it?
It is.
Major Tom Haviland (29:20):
And you know , what's been really frustrating
for me is not only thereluctance of the embalmers and
most of the funeral directorassociations and obviously, like
I said earlier, the doctors,surgeons, vascular surgeons and
cardiologists, endovascularspecialists around the country
not to want to answer my surveys, but also the fact that I've
(29:41):
been getting stonewalled by theFDA, the CDC, the NIH.
Every time that I have thesesurveys done, I immediately send
the results to the CDC, fda andNIH and I have heard nothing
but crickets over the last threeyears.
Dr. Robert Jackson (29:57):
Dr Jackson, they won't even respond to you.
No, no, they won't even respondto you at all.
No, no, I can't even respond toyou at all.
Major Tom Haviland (30:03):
No no, In fact just today, I actually
submitted what's called theVaccine and Related Biological
Products Advisory Committee.
They're under the FDA andthey're getting ready to have a
meeting on the 22nd of May soit's just about a week from now
and they're going to talk abouttheir plan for the COVID
vaccines for the 2025-2026season.
(30:24):
What they're going to do Now.
There has been some talk aboutremoving the COVID vaccines from
the childhood schedule and therecommendations for them to give
them to children, which wouldbe excellent, I'm all for that
I'm very happy about that.
Of course I like to see them goall the way and ban the shots.
I'm all for that.
(30:44):
I'm very happy about that.
Of course I like to see them goall the way and ban the shots
permanently.
just take them off the shelvesfor everybody At least it would
be a good start if they tookthem off the shelves for a child
younger than 18 years old.
So that would be wonderful.
But I did send them a packagetoday with the results of my
surveys latest results, andimploring them to please at
least suspend the shots untilthey can be proven to be safe
(31:06):
and effective, which I don'tthink they'll be able to prove.
So basically I'm saying I thinkit should be taken off the
market permanently.
Dr. Robert Jackson (31:14):
Well, we'll get our listeners to be praying
for that, I'm just telling you.
Well, what else is next for youother than sending this
information to the CDC and thevaccine panel?
Major Tom Haviland (31:26):
Well, the dam is starting to break a
little bit on organizationsadmitting that the cloth exists
and that this is indeed aproblem.
I've been invited on June 8th togo speak, be a guest speaker at
the Tennessee Funeral DirectorsAssociation annual conference.
It's in Franklin, tennessee, onJune 8th, and their president,
taylor Moore, invited me to comespeak to all the funeral
(31:50):
directors and embalmers at thatconvention to brief the results
of my surveys.
Obviously, I'll tell them fromthe scientific information about
what the clots are made of andhow they're forming.
So I think that audience willbe very interested to find that
out, because I know this hasbeen psychologically damaging on
the embalmers over the lastfour years.
(32:12):
They're seeing these horrificclots, they're seeing people
that are younger than theyshould be winding up on their
embalming table with heartattacks and strokes and it's
taken a toll on them, I'm sure,mentally, and you know it's time
for them to come out and speakout about it and admit to the
world that this is indeedhappening and then help us get
(32:34):
you know these shots taken offthe shelves that are causing
these things.
Dr. Robert Jackson (32:39):
Well, I'm glad you're not a pariah and
that these folks are recognizingthe truth of the things that
you've been uncovering andsharing.
Well, look, my time is up,major, I've got to move on.
I appreciate your expertise, Iappreciate your courage and I
appreciate the willingness toshare this information with the
(32:59):
world.
I pray that the Lord will blessyou and bless your efforts, and
who knows, it might be thesesurveys that will turn the tide
with the folks that approve anddisapprove vaccines.
You never, never know.
Major Tom Haviland (33:18):
Amen.
Thank you so much, Dr Jackson,for having me on the show.
Dr. Robert Jackson (33:22):
I appreciate you coming on and I'm speaking
to my listeners now.
I'm going to ask all of you outthere to pray for Major
Haviland and pray for hissurveys that have been submitted
to the.
Tell me exactly who it went to.
Major Tom Haviland (33:39):
The CDC, the FDA, nih and HHS.
Dr. Robert Jackson (33:43):
And what was the committee that's going to
be considering the vaccine?
Major Tom Haviland (33:46):
Oh, the Vaccine and Related Biological
Products Advisory Committee.
Dr. Robert Jackson (33:51):
That's a lot .
It's called the VERBPAC, theVERBPAC.
All right, we'll rememberVERBPAC okay.
There you go so we're going toask all my listeners to pray for
that committee and to pray forMajor Tom Haviland.
And Tom, thanks for coming onto More Than Medicine.
I'd like to have you back againat a later date.
That's all the time we have.
(34:15):
We'll be back again next week.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Until then, may the Lord bless you real good.
Thank you for listening to thisedition of More Than Medicine.
For more information about theJackson Family Ministry, dr
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