August 30, 2025 • 22 mins
The heartbreaking story of Grace Schara, a vibrant 19-year-old with Down syndrome who died in the hospital during COVID treatment, serves as a powerful warning about medical autonomy and family rights during healthcare crises. Rebecca Terrell from the New American joins Dr. Robert Jackson to unpack this tragic case that exposes the darker side of pandemic-era hospital protocols.
Grace was exceptional - she played violin, rode horses, and brought immeasurable joy to everyone she met, including Priscilla Presley who became her pen pal after a chance meeting at Graceland. When Grace developed COVID symptoms, her father Scott monitored her at home following alternative treatment protocols. After her oxygen levels dipped, he took her to the hospital where she walked in under her own power - a detail that contradicts the narrative of critical illness.
What followed represents the dangerous collision between family advocacy and institutional protocols. The hospital administered sedatives that Grace repeatedly reacted poorly to, placed a DNR order without family consent, and ultimately removed Scott from the hospital when he questioned their approach. Despite Scott's refusal to pre-authorize certain treatments based on his research, the hospital proceeded with their COVID protocols while failing to provide proper nutrition.
The conversation broadens to connect Grace's case with a troubling pattern of medical whistleblowers facing retaliation. Terrell shares the story of a California nurse currently suing her hospital after exposing a 400% increase in stillbirths since 2021 - information the hospital attempted to suppress rather than investigate. This nurse was demoted for providing informed consent about vaccination risks to new mothers, highlighting how financial incentives can compromise patient care.
Despite spending over a million dollars on legal fees only to lose in court, Scott Shara maintains remarkable faith, viewing himself as "a tool that our Lord uses" to expose truth regardless of the outcome. His response offers a profound example of faith-based resilience in the face of devastating loss and institutional resistance.
This episode serves as a crucial reminder of why patient advocacy matters and how quickly rights can be overridden during crises. Share this episode with anyone concerned about medical freedom, family rights in healthcare, or the ongoing debate about pandemic policies that continues to impact lives today.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more
than enough for the ills thatplague our culture and our
country, hosted by author andphysician, dr Robert Jackson,
and his wife Carlotta anddaughter Hannah Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm privileged to haveonline today Rebecca Terrell,
who's been one of my guestspreviously.
Miss Rebecca, welcome to MoreThan Medicine, and I hope you'll
tell my listening audience alittle bit about who you are and
(00:44):
what you do.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you, dr Jackson .
It's so nice to be back withyou on your show and I
appreciate the opportunity to doso.
I am a senior editor with theNew American Magazine, with the
John Birch Society.
I have worked in the past forCongressman Ron Paul when he was
in Congress and I wrote thebill to get us out of the United
Nations, which was introducedin every Congress up until
(01:09):
recent years.
When they've come up withsomething, I guess they figure
it's new and improved to defundthe United Nations.
So we're constantly working forthat.
It's encouraging to see thatthere is more and more sentiment
in this country building towardthat inevitable withdrawal, one
day to restore our sovereigntyand get us out of the United
(01:30):
Nations.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
All right.
Well, listen, I read an articlerecently in the New American
that you wrote about the case ofGrace Shara, who is a young
Downs female patient, and herfather's legal proceedings, I
(01:55):
guess is the word on her behalf.
And how about just tell mylistening audience a little bit
about who Grace is and whattranspired in her life when she
had covid right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, grace was uh had just turned 19 years old in
september of 2021.
Um, she was a wonderful girl.
Her parents had doted on herand uh really, really focused on
making her life a full life.
She was so advanced, advancedshe could play a violin, she
could ride horses, she couldread, and she was just a very,
(02:32):
very accomplished young lady,despite her handicap of Down
syndrome.
Now, a lot of people who arenot familiar with Downs would
consider that maybe something, acurse of some kind, and in fact
, we know that Down syndrome isone of the primary most Down
(02:55):
syndrome children.
When it is discovered they haveDowns in utero, most Down
syndrome children are aborted,which means they're murdered In
the United States 76% of Down'schildren in the United States,
if they're diagnosed beforebirth, end up in abortion.
Yes, and that is such a tragedybecause those of us who have the
grace of being around Downsyndrome people know that it is
(03:22):
just joy.
This is a person who can neverpossibly mortally offend our
Lord.
That's right.
It's a person who always lookson the sunny side of things.
That's right.
And I'm not saying that theydon't have their little temper
tantrums and things like thattoo, but if they do anything
like that, they're immediatelyyou know they want to make up
(03:45):
and they're saying I'm sorry,it's just, it's a joy.
It's a joy to have a downsyndrome individual in your life
.
Well then, of course, ourgovernment looks at it as a
curse because, oh, they're adrain on society.
They aren't, because we're inin terms of our government today
.
We're looked at as mereeconomic units right, yeah, what
can you?
contribute to society.
(04:05):
Once you're no longer acontributing member of society,
off with their heads right.
And so that's See.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I'm very sensitive about this whole issue because
my ninth child is a Downsyndrome boy named Thomas, and
my listening audience has heardme talk about Thomas many times.
And Thomas is the joy anddelight of our entire family and
you know, thomas is alwayshappy, he's always full of life,
(04:33):
he's always full of hugs and henever meets a stranger.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And you know, and we can't even imagine life without
Thomas, because he's such ablessing to our family, and I
can imagine that Grace was thesame way to the Sharer family.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yes, she was, she was wonderful, in fact, she loved
Elvis.
They came to Memphis.
I live in Memphis so this iskind of funny, but they came to
Memphis when she was 13 yearsold to visit Graceland, where
Elvis is home here in Memphis,and they ran into Priscilla
Presley.
Priscilla fell in love withGrace and they became pen pals.
(05:11):
When Grace spoke, in fact, Iinterviewed, I had the
opportunity through the Sherafamily, to interview Priscilla
Presley about her relationshipwith Grace and it was just again
yes, joy yes, right away,that's right and, of course,
made the made Grace's demise alleven more horrific, because
(05:37):
you're talking about picking ona person who cannot, is
completely incapable ofdefending herself.
Yeah, they would never assumeanyone would try to cause her
harm anyway.
Yeah Right, yeah so but, so theSharra family says that when
Grace came down with COVIDsymptoms and they were being
very, very careful they went tothe store and got one of those
(05:59):
pulse oximeter, that fingertippulse oximeter machines.
They were monitoring her oxygenand they were also following
the frontline covid criticalcare alliance doctor's protocol
about what to do uh, using, youknow, ivermectin and uh.
But they got scared scott gotscared when her oxygen, grace's
oxygen, one day went into the80s, high 80s.
(06:23):
According to the protocol itwas.
You were supposed to go to theurgent care.
So he went to urgent care andof course, immediately they
turned them around and they tookhim.
They said, no, you have to goto the emergency room.
She has come.
So now Grace walked into theemergency room.
We're not talking aboutsomebody who was whisked away in
an ambulance and was comatose.
She walks into the emergencyroom and from there things just
(06:48):
went downhill because thehospital of course went by
government protocols, which wasthe way they got big payouts.
You know you get a payout ifyou admit someone with COVID.
You get a payout from our.
Congress that passed that billduring COVID to say, oh, we're
(07:09):
going to give hospitals allthese payouts for putting people
on remdesivir and puttingpeople on a ventilator and if
you have a death in the hospitalwith COVID you get a payout.
Well, scott knew enough, hedidn't know as much.
He didn't know what he knowsnow.
If he knew then what he knowsnow, he would never have taken
(07:30):
her to the hospital.
But you know, probably we lookback and I have a nursing
background too.
I don't practice anymore but Ido have a nursing license that's
inactive now and I told him,based on what he told me of the
case, I said sounds to me likeat most she would have needed
maybe oxygen by nasal cannulaand they could have sent her
(07:51):
home with that.
Yeah, that would have been themost.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, I understand that.
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I understand that.
I understand that so, but Scottand Cindy, his wife, continued
to refuse the ventilator andrefuse remdesivir.
Actually, for some reason,grace wasn't a candidate for
remdesivir and it's escaping menow why she was not.
But she was a candidate foranother COVID medicine called
(08:17):
Toxelizumab and Scott did hishomework on that.
He refused consent for thatbecause he looked it up and he
found in the New England Journalof Medicine this isn't
something far out there, aconspiracy theory.
This is in the New EnglandJournal of Medicine.
Toxelizumab is a drug that wasfound to have very little
(08:38):
positive effect and demonstrable, measurable negative effects.
So he said, no, I don't thinkwe're gonna do that.
They put grace on a BiPAPmachine.
They admitted her, put her on aBiPAP, refused to allow the
family to feed her because thatwould interfere with the BiPAP
machine, but also did notconnect her to any kind of
(09:00):
parenteral TPN nutrition, whichis what you would give to a
person who's unable to eat bymouth.
She was very hungry.
She actually was doing prettywell as far as COVID symptoms go
, but the sedatives that theyput her on in the.
She had a normal hospital room,but it was labeled as an ICU
(09:28):
room.
Scott did not know this untilafter Grace died.
She was put on Presidex, whichis a sedative that's normally
used pre-surgery and the labelsays you're not supposed to use
it for more than 24 hours.
It's dosed according to yourbody weight.
Grace was on the highest dose.
(09:49):
They kept putting her back onit.
She'd have a negative reactionto it, so they'd take her off of
it and then they'd put her backon it and she'd have another
negative reaction to it.
So they'd take her off of itand then they'd put her back on
it and she'd have anothernegative reaction to it.
She had three or four negativereactions to it.
The final reaction was when shepassed away.
But according to the testimonygiven in court, of course by the
(10:14):
defense, grace died of covet.
It was coveted, coveted COVID,covid.
They focused on COVID.
They really never addressed theconcerns about the sedatives
that Grace was put on.
They addressed it in aroundabout kind of a way, kind
of avoiding the question.
But it was COVID, covid, covid,covid, covid Constantly.
They just hammered that ideainto the jury and the jury came
(10:36):
back.
This was a civil case inWisconsin.
The jury came back 11 to 12 forthe defense.
When I say 11 to 12,.
It's not a criminal case.
You didn't have to have aunanimous decision by the jury.
In civil cases in Wisconsin youhave to have agreement of 10
out of 12 jurors.
(10:58):
They had 11.
Scott figures well.
You know that one juror out of12 accounted for 8% roughly of
the jury, which probably isindicative of the percentage of
people in this country who arenow awake, who've been
red-pilled.
So that's the way he figures it.
(11:18):
But you know the jury onlydebated less than about 15
minutes what I heard which issuch a so insulting really.
I mean, we're talking aboutmonths and months of work and
research put into this.
I mean years actually, not justmonths.
Years of research put into this.
(11:39):
Scott, out of pocket, has paidmore than a million dollars for
all of his legal fees and courtcosts and all of this and to go
in and just have no debate, nodiscussion at all.
There were jurors, there werepeople in the gallery who were
communicating.
I was not there in person, butthere were people in the gallery
(12:00):
communicating with me duringthe trial.
The New American live streamedit so I was able to watch the
trial, but I wasn't therephysically present.
So those who were there saidthat jury members were falling
asleep during the trial.
One woman wore a mask, a facemask, throughout the trial.
(12:21):
So right there you're, likethere's some bias there, that's
right strong bias.
So it was just we were.
I will say, though, that all ofus were shocked that there was
not one charge in the case thatwhere they won.
For instance, I'll give you anexample.
A DNR order was placed on Graceby her attending physician.
(12:45):
The family was not aware that aDNR order was placed on Grace.
Dnr means do not resuscitate.
That means if you have a heartattack or stop breathing, that
health care staff is notsupposed to take resuscitative
measures.
It's not supposed toresuscitate you.
That does not mean that you'resupposed to be deprived of food
(13:06):
and water.
A DNR does not mean that.
A DNR does not mean you're notsupposed to be intubated.
The defense was trying toconvince the jury during the
trial that Scott Schera, grace'sfather, refused a ventilator.
He never refused a ventilator.
No one ever came to him andsaid she has to go on her
(13:28):
ventilator now or she's going todie.
He says of course, if they saidthat to him he would have
authorized it.
What he refused to do was signa pre-authorization for a
ventilator.
She was doing fine, breathing onher own.
She had the BiPAP mask.
Her oxygen was healthy in the90s.
At one point the hospitalequipment said that she was
(13:54):
dangerously low in the 80s, buthis little store-bought pulse
oximeter machine on her fingersaid that she was healthy, had a
healthy oxygen level in the 90percentile you know 90s and he
had them.
They discovered that the reasontheir hospital monitor was
malfunctioning was because theleads connected to Grace were
(14:15):
soiled.
But that was what they wereusing to determine their
treatment for his daughter andeventually, you know he would
question things like this thatwere happening.
So instead of listening to himattending to his needs,
attending to his daughter'sneeds, they kicked him out of
(14:36):
the hospital halfway through herstay and from there she went
downhill.
And you know we saw that sooften during COVID that people
were deprived of theircaregivers.
Even if you don't have Downsyndrome, if you have COVID,
you're sick.
You need somebody to speak foryou.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, we saw that lots of times where patient
caregivers and family memberswere excluded from the hospital,
to the detriment of thepatient's care.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Exactly.
In fact, I interviewed just theother day.
I interviewed Michelle Spencer,who's an RN out in California.
She is suing the hospital sheworks for because they have
noted internally, in internalcommunication to their nurses, a
skyrocketing incidents instillbirths since 2021.
(15:24):
Now, what do we know happenedin 2021?
When delta variant covid camealong well, we know that
something else came out that wasadministered to a lot of people
by a needle right.
So, um, ever since then and shehad already noticed this, and
her coworkers you know they'dhave she told me in this
interview that before 2021, theywould have an average of about
(15:49):
four stillbirths a year.
They are having stillbirthsdaily in her hospital now.
She works in labor and delivery.
It's something like a 400%increase that the hospital noted
in an internal memo.
They sent this internal memonot to warn people, not to say,
hey, we're going to launch aninvestigation and look into this
(16:12):
or we're going to publish thisto the public so the public can
know this and be warned andsomething's going on.
We need to find out what'sgoing on.
No, the reason for the internalmemo was to reacquaint the
staff with the hospital'spolicies for handling a deceased
baby's body when they're born,stillbirth, when they're born
(16:33):
dead.
That was all.
So Michelle took the memo tofriends of hers who knew who
connected her with Children'sHealth Defense, which is Robert
F Kennedy Jr's organization, andthey publicized it.
Well, michelle got in troublewith her employer.
(16:53):
They doctor-pay and theydemoted her.
So the court case whichChildren's Health Defense is
actually funding is going to begoing forward.
It's already been filed in thestate of california.
I don't know what the timelineis on it yet.
It's early yet so it hasn'tgone to court, but um, it has.
(17:15):
There are three charges.
One is retaliation against awhistleblower, which is against
california law, is fraud.
You know the hospital knowingthis data knowing that there's a
400% increase in stillbirthsand yet not publicizing it for
public consumption.
The other charge has to do withthe fact that Michelle, even
(17:35):
prior to any of this, had beenwarning her mothers, her
patients, giving them fullyinformed consent about the
vaccination schedule for theirbabies.
And mothers were starting torefuse certain vaccines, knowing
that the risk was much higher.
The risk of getting the vaccinewas much higher than the risk
(17:57):
of the actual disease to theirinfants.
This was affecting thehospital's bottom line, of
course, because the hospitalsget paid for every vaccine that
they administer.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And of course, it was a very easy.
I had a full podcast about thisover a year and a half ago
about the effects of the vaccineon conception and stillbirths
and miscarriages.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Exactly and it is well known if you know where to
look.
But it's certainly not promotedby the popular you know,
mainstream narrative or by ourown government.
So, instead of you know, ofcourse, this was easy for the
hospital to trace back.
Why are these moms all refusingthe hepatitis B vaccine for
(18:38):
their children?
Well, each of those momshappened to be a patient of
Michelle Spencer, so they calledher in.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She's a truth teller.
She's a truth teller?
She sure is.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Well, what she was doing was she actually asked
them.
She said would you like me towithhold informed consent from
my patients?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, but right.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And not all of her patients were neglecting the
vaccine.
Some were just choosinginformed consent.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Right.
Some were choosing against itbecause they realized, yeah, my
baby is probably not going to besexually active and probably
not going to be sharing needleswith heroin addicts, that's
right.
So I think I'll withhold that.
That's exactly right, exactlyright.
Newborn babies.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
We'll go back to our original storyline here before
we close.
What was Scott Shara'semotional response to the jury's
verdict?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Scott Shara is a model for us all.
He considers himself to be atool that our Lord uses.
He said we were called to filethis case.
We were called to pursue it totry to open people's eyes to the
truth.
He said we lost, but that doesnot dampen his spirits.
(19:56):
He knows that he is in God'shands.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
He's doing what God wants him to do.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
He considers himself.
I really think that he has avery much an attitude of the
patriarch joseph in egypt.
Yeah, god put me here.
He knows what he's doing.
I'll patiently wait and seewhat he has in store.
And that truly is.
He's just.
He's a, he's a marvel and it'sa.
It's a privilege to know thatI'm among his circle of friends.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Wow, his whole family .
I'd love to meet him sometime.
I really would.
I think it'd be an honor tojust talk to him sometime.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I can introduce you.
I'd be glad to.
He'd be a wonderful guest foryour podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, if you could line that up, I think my
listening audience would love tohear from him sometime.
If you can make that happen, itwould really be a blessing to
me personally, but I think ablessing to my listening
audience as well.
I think that would bedelightful.
Well, Rebecca, we're runningout of time here.
I thank you for bringing us upto date on Grace Shara and Scott
Shara and their case.
(21:02):
We're disappointed that itdidn't go as well as Scott
wanted it to, but at least he'sgetting the story out there and
waking people up to what'shappening in the medical
establishment and in the legalestablishment as well.
Any final comments before weconclude.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Absolutely Well.
I would just say trust Scottand keep your gunpowder dry.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That's right, I agree , I agree, I agree, 100%.
Well, thank you for your time,the Lord bless you and I hope to
have you back again another day.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Thank you, Dr Jackson .
Speaker 1 (21:40):
All right, you're listening to More Than Medicine.
My guest today is RebeccaTerrell, with the New American,
and I hope she'll come back andbe with us again.
Until then, may the Lord blessyou real good and remember your
doctor loves you.
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(22:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm privileged to haveonline today Rebecca Terrell,
who's been one of my guestspreviously.
Miss Rebecca, welcome to MoreThan Medicine, and I hope you'll
tell my listening audience alittle bit about who you are and
(00:44):
what you do.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you, dr Jackson .
It's so nice to be back withyou on your show and I
appreciate the opportunity to doso.
I am a senior editor with theNew American Magazine, with the
John Birch Society.
I have worked in the past forCongressman Ron Paul when he was
in Congress and I wrote thebill to get us out of the United
Nations, which was introducedin every Congress up until
(01:09):
recent years.
When they've come up withsomething, I guess they figure
it's new and improved to defundthe United Nations.
So we're constantly working forthat.
It's encouraging to see thatthere is more and more sentiment
in this country building towardthat inevitable withdrawal, one
day to restore our sovereigntyand get us out of the United
(01:30):
Nations.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
All right.
Well, listen, I read an articlerecently in the New American
that you wrote about the case ofGrace Shara, who is a young
Downs female patient, and herfather's legal proceedings, I
(01:55):
guess is the word on her behalf.
And how about just tell mylistening audience a little bit
about who Grace is and whattranspired in her life when she
had covid right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, grace was uh had just turned 19 years old in
september of 2021.
Um, she was a wonderful girl.
Her parents had doted on herand uh really, really focused on
making her life a full life.
She was so advanced, advancedshe could play a violin, she
could ride horses, she couldread, and she was just a very,
(02:32):
very accomplished young lady,despite her handicap of Down
syndrome.
Now, a lot of people who arenot familiar with Downs would
consider that maybe something, acurse of some kind, and in fact
, we know that Down syndrome isone of the primary most Down
(02:55):
syndrome children.
When it is discovered they haveDowns in utero, most Down
syndrome children are aborted,which means they're murdered In
the United States 76% of Down'schildren in the United States,
if they're diagnosed beforebirth, end up in abortion.
Yes, and that is such a tragedybecause those of us who have the
grace of being around Downsyndrome people know that it is
(03:22):
just joy.
This is a person who can neverpossibly mortally offend our
Lord.
That's right.
It's a person who always lookson the sunny side of things.
That's right.
And I'm not saying that theydon't have their little temper
tantrums and things like thattoo, but if they do anything
like that, they're immediatelyyou know they want to make up
(03:45):
and they're saying I'm sorry,it's just, it's a joy.
It's a joy to have a downsyndrome individual in your life
.
Well then, of course, ourgovernment looks at it as a
curse because, oh, they're adrain on society.
They aren't, because we're inin terms of our government today
.
We're looked at as mereeconomic units right, yeah, what
can you?
contribute to society.
(04:05):
Once you're no longer acontributing member of society,
off with their heads right.
And so that's See.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I'm very sensitive about this whole issue because
my ninth child is a Downsyndrome boy named Thomas, and
my listening audience has heardme talk about Thomas many times.
And Thomas is the joy anddelight of our entire family and
you know, thomas is alwayshappy, he's always full of life,
(04:33):
he's always full of hugs and henever meets a stranger.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And you know, and we can't even imagine life without
Thomas, because he's such ablessing to our family, and I
can imagine that Grace was thesame way to the Sharer family.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yes, she was, she was wonderful, in fact, she loved
Elvis.
They came to Memphis.
I live in Memphis so this iskind of funny, but they came to
Memphis when she was 13 yearsold to visit Graceland, where
Elvis is home here in Memphis,and they ran into Priscilla
Presley.
Priscilla fell in love withGrace and they became pen pals.
(05:11):
When Grace spoke, in fact, Iinterviewed, I had the
opportunity through the Sherafamily, to interview Priscilla
Presley about her relationshipwith Grace and it was just again
yes, joy yes, right away,that's right and, of course,
made the made Grace's demise alleven more horrific, because
(05:37):
you're talking about picking ona person who cannot, is
completely incapable ofdefending herself.
Yeah, they would never assumeanyone would try to cause her
harm anyway.
Yeah Right, yeah so but, so theSharra family says that when
Grace came down with COVIDsymptoms and they were being
very, very careful they went tothe store and got one of those
(05:59):
pulse oximeter, that fingertippulse oximeter machines.
They were monitoring her oxygenand they were also following
the frontline covid criticalcare alliance doctor's protocol
about what to do uh, using, youknow, ivermectin and uh.
But they got scared scott gotscared when her oxygen, grace's
oxygen, one day went into the80s, high 80s.
(06:23):
According to the protocol itwas.
You were supposed to go to theurgent care.
So he went to urgent care andof course, immediately they
turned them around and they tookhim.
They said, no, you have to goto the emergency room.
She has come.
So now Grace walked into theemergency room.
We're not talking aboutsomebody who was whisked away in
an ambulance and was comatose.
She walks into the emergencyroom and from there things just
(06:48):
went downhill because thehospital of course went by
government protocols, which wasthe way they got big payouts.
You know you get a payout ifyou admit someone with COVID.
You get a payout from our.
Congress that passed that billduring COVID to say, oh, we're
(07:09):
going to give hospitals allthese payouts for putting people
on remdesivir and puttingpeople on a ventilator and if
you have a death in the hospitalwith COVID you get a payout.
Well, scott knew enough, hedidn't know as much.
He didn't know what he knowsnow.
If he knew then what he knowsnow, he would never have taken
(07:30):
her to the hospital.
But you know, probably we lookback and I have a nursing
background too.
I don't practice anymore but Ido have a nursing license that's
inactive now and I told him,based on what he told me of the
case, I said sounds to me likeat most she would have needed
maybe oxygen by nasal cannulaand they could have sent her
(07:51):
home with that.
Yeah, that would have been themost.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, I understand that.
I understand that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I understand that.
I understand that so, but Scottand Cindy, his wife, continued
to refuse the ventilator andrefuse remdesivir.
Actually, for some reason,grace wasn't a candidate for
remdesivir and it's escaping menow why she was not.
But she was a candidate foranother COVID medicine called
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Toxelizumab and Scott did hishomework on that.
He refused consent for thatbecause he looked it up and he
found in the New England Journalof Medicine this isn't
something far out there, aconspiracy theory.
This is in the New EnglandJournal of Medicine.
Toxelizumab is a drug that wasfound to have very little
(08:38):
positive effect and demonstrable, measurable negative effects.
So he said, no, I don't thinkwe're gonna do that.
They put grace on a BiPAPmachine.
They admitted her, put her on aBiPAP, refused to allow the
family to feed her because thatwould interfere with the BiPAP
machine, but also did notconnect her to any kind of
(09:00):
parenteral TPN nutrition, whichis what you would give to a
person who's unable to eat bymouth.
She was very hungry.
She actually was doing prettywell as far as COVID symptoms go
, but the sedatives that theyput her on in the.
She had a normal hospital room,but it was labeled as an ICU
(09:28):
room.
Scott did not know this untilafter Grace died.
She was put on Presidex, whichis a sedative that's normally
used pre-surgery and the labelsays you're not supposed to use
it for more than 24 hours.
It's dosed according to yourbody weight.
Grace was on the highest dose.
(09:49):
They kept putting her back onit.
She'd have a negative reactionto it, so they'd take her off of
it and then they'd put her backon it and she'd have another
negative reaction to it.
So they'd take her off of itand then they'd put her back on
it and she'd have anothernegative reaction to it.
She had three or four negativereactions to it.
The final reaction was when shepassed away.
But according to the testimonygiven in court, of course by the
(10:14):
defense, grace died of covet.
It was coveted, coveted COVID,covid.
They focused on COVID.
They really never addressed theconcerns about the sedatives
that Grace was put on.
They addressed it in aroundabout kind of a way, kind
of avoiding the question.
But it was COVID, covid, covid,covid, covid Constantly.
They just hammered that ideainto the jury and the jury came
(10:36):
back.
This was a civil case inWisconsin.
The jury came back 11 to 12 forthe defense.
When I say 11 to 12,.
It's not a criminal case.
You didn't have to have aunanimous decision by the jury.
In civil cases in Wisconsin youhave to have agreement of 10
out of 12 jurors.
(10:58):
They had 11.
Scott figures well.
You know that one juror out of12 accounted for 8% roughly of
the jury, which probably isindicative of the percentage of
people in this country who arenow awake, who've been
red-pilled.
So that's the way he figures it.
(11:18):
But you know the jury onlydebated less than about 15
minutes what I heard which issuch a so insulting really.
I mean, we're talking aboutmonths and months of work and
research put into this.
I mean years actually, not justmonths.
Years of research put into this.
(11:39):
Scott, out of pocket, has paidmore than a million dollars for
all of his legal fees and courtcosts and all of this and to go
in and just have no debate, nodiscussion at all.
There were jurors, there werepeople in the gallery who were
communicating.
I was not there in person, butthere were people in the gallery
(12:00):
communicating with me duringthe trial.
The New American live streamedit so I was able to watch the
trial, but I wasn't therephysically present.
So those who were there saidthat jury members were falling
asleep during the trial.
One woman wore a mask, a facemask, throughout the trial.
(12:21):
So right there you're, likethere's some bias there, that's
right strong bias.
So it was just we were.
I will say, though, that all ofus were shocked that there was
not one charge in the case thatwhere they won.
For instance, I'll give you anexample.
A DNR order was placed on Graceby her attending physician.
(12:45):
The family was not aware that aDNR order was placed on Grace.
Dnr means do not resuscitate.
That means if you have a heartattack or stop breathing, that
health care staff is notsupposed to take resuscitative
measures.
It's not supposed toresuscitate you.
That does not mean that you'resupposed to be deprived of food
(13:06):
and water.
A DNR does not mean that.
A DNR does not mean you're notsupposed to be intubated.
The defense was trying toconvince the jury during the
trial that Scott Schera, grace'sfather, refused a ventilator.
He never refused a ventilator.
No one ever came to him andsaid she has to go on her
(13:28):
ventilator now or she's going todie.
He says of course, if they saidthat to him he would have
authorized it.
What he refused to do was signa pre-authorization for a
ventilator.
She was doing fine, breathing onher own.
She had the BiPAP mask.
Her oxygen was healthy in the90s.
At one point the hospitalequipment said that she was
(13:54):
dangerously low in the 80s, buthis little store-bought pulse
oximeter machine on her fingersaid that she was healthy, had a
healthy oxygen level in the 90percentile you know 90s and he
had them.
They discovered that the reasontheir hospital monitor was
malfunctioning was because theleads connected to Grace were
(14:15):
soiled.
But that was what they wereusing to determine their
treatment for his daughter andeventually, you know he would
question things like this thatwere happening.
So instead of listening to himattending to his needs,
attending to his daughter'sneeds, they kicked him out of
(14:36):
the hospital halfway through herstay and from there she went
downhill.
And you know we saw that sooften during COVID that people
were deprived of theircaregivers.
Even if you don't have Downsyndrome, if you have COVID,
you're sick.
You need somebody to speak foryou.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, we saw that lots of times where patient
caregivers and family memberswere excluded from the hospital,
to the detriment of thepatient's care.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Exactly.
In fact, I interviewed just theother day.
I interviewed Michelle Spencer,who's an RN out in California.
She is suing the hospital sheworks for because they have
noted internally, in internalcommunication to their nurses, a
skyrocketing incidents instillbirths since 2021.
(15:24):
Now, what do we know happenedin 2021?
When delta variant covid camealong well, we know that
something else came out that wasadministered to a lot of people
by a needle right.
So, um, ever since then and shehad already noticed this, and
her coworkers you know they'dhave she told me in this
interview that before 2021, theywould have an average of about
(15:49):
four stillbirths a year.
They are having stillbirthsdaily in her hospital now.
She works in labor and delivery.
It's something like a 400%increase that the hospital noted
in an internal memo.
They sent this internal memonot to warn people, not to say,
hey, we're going to launch aninvestigation and look into this
(16:12):
or we're going to publish thisto the public so the public can
know this and be warned andsomething's going on.
We need to find out what'sgoing on.
No, the reason for the internalmemo was to reacquaint the
staff with the hospital'spolicies for handling a deceased
baby's body when they're born,stillbirth, when they're born
(16:33):
dead.
That was all.
So Michelle took the memo tofriends of hers who knew who
connected her with Children'sHealth Defense, which is Robert
F Kennedy Jr's organization, andthey publicized it.
Well, michelle got in troublewith her employer.
(16:53):
They doctor-pay and theydemoted her.
So the court case whichChildren's Health Defense is
actually funding is going to begoing forward.
It's already been filed in thestate of california.
I don't know what the timelineis on it yet.
It's early yet so it hasn'tgone to court, but um, it has.
(17:15):
There are three charges.
One is retaliation against awhistleblower, which is against
california law, is fraud.
You know the hospital knowingthis data knowing that there's a
400% increase in stillbirthsand yet not publicizing it for
public consumption.
The other charge has to do withthe fact that Michelle, even
(17:35):
prior to any of this, had beenwarning her mothers, her
patients, giving them fullyinformed consent about the
vaccination schedule for theirbabies.
And mothers were starting torefuse certain vaccines, knowing
that the risk was much higher.
The risk of getting the vaccinewas much higher than the risk
(17:57):
of the actual disease to theirinfants.
This was affecting thehospital's bottom line, of
course, because the hospitalsget paid for every vaccine that
they administer.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And of course, it was a very easy.
I had a full podcast about thisover a year and a half ago
about the effects of the vaccineon conception and stillbirths
and miscarriages.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Exactly and it is well known if you know where to
look.
But it's certainly not promotedby the popular you know,
mainstream narrative or by ourown government.
So, instead of you know, ofcourse, this was easy for the
hospital to trace back.
Why are these moms all refusingthe hepatitis B vaccine for
(18:38):
their children?
Well, each of those momshappened to be a patient of
Michelle Spencer, so they calledher in.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She's a truth teller.
She's a truth teller?
She sure is.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Well, what she was doing was she actually asked
them.
She said would you like me towithhold informed consent from
my patients?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, but right.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And not all of her patients were neglecting the
vaccine.
Some were just choosinginformed consent.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Right.
Some were choosing against itbecause they realized, yeah, my
baby is probably not going to besexually active and probably
not going to be sharing needleswith heroin addicts, that's
right.
So I think I'll withhold that.
That's exactly right, exactlyright.
Newborn babies.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
We'll go back to our original storyline here before
we close.
What was Scott Shara'semotional response to the jury's
verdict?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Scott Shara is a model for us all.
He considers himself to be atool that our Lord uses.
He said we were called to filethis case.
We were called to pursue it totry to open people's eyes to the
truth.
He said we lost, but that doesnot dampen his spirits.
(19:56):
He knows that he is in God'shands.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
He's doing what God wants him to do.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
He considers himself.
I really think that he has avery much an attitude of the
patriarch joseph in egypt.
Yeah, god put me here.
He knows what he's doing.
I'll patiently wait and seewhat he has in store.
And that truly is.
He's just.
He's a, he's a marvel and it'sa.
It's a privilege to know thatI'm among his circle of friends.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Wow, his whole family .
I'd love to meet him sometime.
I really would.
I think it'd be an honor tojust talk to him sometime.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I can introduce you.
I'd be glad to.
He'd be a wonderful guest foryour podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, if you could line that up, I think my
listening audience would love tohear from him sometime.
If you can make that happen, itwould really be a blessing to
me personally, but I think ablessing to my listening
audience as well.
I think that would bedelightful.
Well, Rebecca, we're runningout of time here.
I thank you for bringing us upto date on Grace Shara and Scott
Shara and their case.
(21:02):
We're disappointed that itdidn't go as well as Scott
wanted it to, but at least he'sgetting the story out there and
waking people up to what'shappening in the medical
establishment and in the legalestablishment as well.
Any final comments before weconclude.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Absolutely Well.
I would just say trust Scottand keep your gunpowder dry.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That's right, I agree , I agree, I agree, 100%.
Well, thank you for your time,the Lord bless you and I hope to
have you back again another day.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Thank you, Dr Jackson .
Speaker 1 (21:40):
All right, you're listening to More Than Medicine.
My guest today is RebeccaTerrell, with the New American,
and I hope she'll come back andbe with us again.
Until then, may the Lord blessyou real good and remember your
doctor loves you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Thank you for listening to this edition of
More Than Medicine.
For more information about theJackson Family Ministry or to
schedule a speaking engagement,go to their Facebook page,
instagram or webpage atjacksonfamilyministrycom.
Also, don't forget to check outDr Jackson's books that are
available on Amazon His thirdbook Turkey Tales and Bible
(22:15):
Truths, and his father'sbiography on Laughter Silvered
Weymouths the story of a countrydoctor, a family man, a patriot
and a political activist.
This podcast is produced by BobSloan Audio Productions.
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