July 19, 2025 • 26 mins
What makes a sheriff worthy of your vote? Dr. Robert Jackson and Hannah Miller from the Hannah Miller Show Podcast takes you inside the electrifying Republican Sheriff's Forum in Spartanburg County, where eight qualified candidates squared off amidst literal thunder and lightning. This wasn't just a political event—it was a revealing look at the men who might become the constitutional firewall between citizens and government overreach.
We break down how each candidate handled the forum's four critical questions: department culture, community concerns, constitutional rights, and creative solutions to difficult problems. The most heated moments came during discussions of the controversial "Rolling Thunder" initiative and civil asset forfeiture, revealing clear philosophical differences among candidates. Rick Stevens boldly declared "Rolling Thunder violates people's rights," while Bill Ryan demonstrated impressive constitutional knowledge, explaining how various amendments interconnect to protect citizens from government overreach.
Beyond policy positions, we analyze what makes each candidate unique. Bill Ryan emerged as the polished statesman with commanding presence, Rick Stevens projected fearlessness drawn from international crime-fighting experience, and Joseph Palato established himself as the innovative problem-solver. Meanwhile, veterans like Rusty Clevenger and Randy Holyfield carry decades of institutional knowledge and name recognition that newer candidates must overcome. Robert Cheeks showed promise as a rising political star with genuine passion for Spartanburg.
Whether you're concerned about constitutional rights, department morale, or community safety, this sheriff's race deserves your attention. Check candidate websites, attend upcoming forums, and ask tough questions before making this crucial decision. Your sheriff is the last line of defense for your constitutional freedoms—choose wisely.
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Intro (00:04):
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more
than enough for the ills thatplague our culture and our
country.
Hosted by author and physician,dr Robert Jackson and his wife.
Carlotta and daughter HannahMiller so listen up, because the
doctor is in.
Dr.Robert Jackson (00:23):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, what an exciting week.
I'm here with my daughter,Hannah Miller.
Welcome, Ms Hannah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (00:38):
Thanks, dad, it's always a pleasure.
Dr.Robert Jackson (00:40):
Well, today we're going to discuss the
Republican Party Sheriff's Forumin Spartanburg County.
We had eight highly qualifiedRepublican candidates at a forum
just last night that were allvying for the sheriff's position
here in Spartanburg County.
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And, man, it was electric.
Well, it was electric partlybecause there was a thunderstorm
and there was lightning andthunder and three inches of rain
fell during the program.
But the auditorium was packed.
There was probably, oh, I don'tknow, six or seven hundred
people there.
And, man, I'm telling you, ourmoderator was Bill Frady from
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WORD 98.9.
He did an excellent job and thecandidates, I'm telling you,
all eight of them, would make agood sheriff.
Dr. Robert Jackson (01:37):
Yeah, I think it's actually going to be
very difficult.
And again, we have to say youknow, one of the candidates,
adam Criss, wasn't there, sohe's excluded from all of our
commentary.
Don't have anything that wecould say about him, so we're
going to be talking about theother eight, though, and the
eight that were there RobertCheeks, andy Clark, rusty
Clevenger, nick Duncan, randyHolyfield, joseph Pilato, bill
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Ryan and Rick Stevens.
As you said, all strongcandidates.
I was impressed.
I was very impressed too.
It makes it harder for the voterit does it's very impressive to
know that these are the menthat want to serve spartanburg
county and it makes me verygrateful.
I I liked all of them forvarious reasons.
I really wish you could justkind of ball them all up, make
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one guy, because they had somany great, great ideas.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:28):
Yeah, and good characteristics.
Dr. Robert Jackson (02:30):
Yes, and good characteristics across the
board.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:33):
So well, let me do.
Let me say this now All of themhave served in law enforcement.
All of them have worked at onetime or another in the
Spartanburg County Sheriff'sDepartment.
All of them have been, you know, beat cops work, traffic work,
vice.
You know.
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They've all worked at variousparts of the Sheriff's
Department.
Some of them have gone on towork in the highway patrol, not
all.
So there's a large, broadspectrum of experience.
That was on the stage.
All of them had a personalvision for what they could do to
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help improve the sheriff'sdepartment and how they could be
a good sheriff for SpartanburgCounty.
All of them are well-spoken.
Sheriff for Spartanburg County.
All of them are well-spoken.
All of them are prettypassionate about what needs to
be done.
So let me ask you a question,ms Hannah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (03:33):
Oh, wait, before we go into the questions.
I was going to say down in thenotes for both of our podcasts
is that we're going to haveevery candidate's website linked
there.
So, listeners, if you want moreinformation and I encourage you
to go to their websites to findmore information there's a link
down there for you to click foreach of the candidates so you
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can go there and find moreinformation about their work
experience, their history, theirvision, all that kind of stuff.
Dr.Robert Jackson (04:00):
Yep, very good Shoot shooter, all right.
Dr. Robert Jackson (04:09):
So what were the topics that were discussed
that Bill Frady asked each ofthe candidates.
Okay, so these were the topicsthat were compiled from the most
asked questions from voters inSpartanburg County.
So they took these questions upand then compiled them.
They broke it down into fourquestions and the first one was
culture in the sheriff'sdepartment and of course this is
all about restoring trust andintegrity to the office.
This was employee morale.
A lot of people have concernsabout the morale in the
department.
Then you've got communications,transparency and engagement
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with the citizens, countygovernment and community
partners.
So all of that's kind of lumpedinto that first question and
you're already beginning to seewith that first question.
This was, you got eightcandidates responding to four
questions all like this.
It was a lengthy night.
We're going to try to, you know, kind of compress all the
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information the best that we can, uh, but number question number
two was concerns in ourcommunity and this had to do
with, you know, criminal illegalaliens in our community, fraud
and scams targeted at seniors,dui theft, human trafficking,
drugs, fentanyl, homelessness,all of those kind of criminal
activities that we see happeningin Spartanburg County, and ask
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these guys to spend threeminutes responding to that.
Then the third question wassafeguarding the rights of the
people, and this was theconstitutional question.
And well, we'll get into thatin a minute, but this was a
constitutional protections andenforcement.
What do you think about your?
What's your perspective onrolling thunder specifically?
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:32):
Oh, that was a big one and that was a big one
, uh, or other initiatives inthe department.
Dr. Robert Jackson (05:36):
And then the last question was creative
solutions to difficult problems,and this had to do with the
detention center issues, thelong response time, recruitment,
deputy retention, the best useof a $33 million annual budget
so all of that, and God blessthese guys.
You know you've only got threeminutes and you've got to
respond to a question like that.
It's hard to do, and so theyall did more or less a really
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great job trying to respond tothese things, but there's
aspects of each one that, know,probably wasn't answered
perfectly, uh, but that's justthe nature of you've got eight
guys up there and they can onlythey only have three minutes you
know.
Dr.Robert Jackson (06:14):
But I have to say they all had a good answer.
They all did well in answeringthe questions, um, and and it
was very interesting meeting andit went by fast.
Dr. Robert Jackson (06:24):
Yeah, it did .
It went by very fast.
I was very intrigued and ofcourse, this is something that I
don't think a lot of peoplerealize the importance of the
sheriff's department and whoyour sheriff is in your county.
And this was one of the thingsthat was highlighted during
COVID.
To me and to a lot of folks washow important it is for you to
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make sure that your sheriff isnot somebody who's going to shut
down your, your business, orenforce masking or you know
they're going to follow throughIf you get you get fired because
of not taking the shot, thingslike that.
You know making sure that blacklives matters riots weren't
happening in our city thingsBlack Lives Matter riots weren't
happening in our city.
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It became very close to home toa lot of folks who have not had
a lot of brushing up againstcriminal activity, and so it is
very important and so this was avery to me.
I was very interested to hearwhat these guys had to say.
Dr.Robert Jackson (07:20):
So Well, tell me, tell me now.
You were there and you weretaking, and I saw you taking
notes on everything.
So who did you think was thestrongest candidate on?
Let's just pick one.
Um, the thing that I thoughtwas that people were the most
passionate about was thisrolling thunder question.
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Yeah, um, I mean, the audiencewas obviously very interested in
those answers.
Um, so what did you think?
Dr. Robert Jackson (07:51):
well, for our listeners sake, refresh
their memories on what rollingthunder is All right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (07:56):
If everybody knows, we're on the interstate
I-95 well, 85 for us and I-26goes right through our county.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:11):
As the sheriff's candidate said, all
the drugs move from the south tothe north and all the cash
moves from the north to thesouth Cuts right through
Spartanburg County.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:16):
That's right, and so, once a year, there's an
influx of extra deputies thatcomes to help us execute what
they've called Rolling Thunder.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:29):
This initiative, yeah.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:31):
Yep, and there's a lot of traffic stops.
Some of them we, some people,consider unnecessary, but
usually there's a cause and thevehicles are searched and of
course, they're searching forsex trafficked individuals,
searching for illicit cash andillicit drugs.
Where the rub comes in is whenthere's the seizure of assets.
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Yes, civil asset forfeiture isa technical term.
Say it again Civil assetforfeiture, that's right Civil
asset forfeiture and sometimespeople who are not drug abusers
drug sellers, I guess you'd callthem traffickers are caught up
in that and their assets areforfeited and they have a hard
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time getting their money back.
And the illustration that wasgiven was if someone's got
$15,000 in their automobile andthey're going to buy a boat or
another vehicle and they'restopped for, say, a tail, light
this out and somebody questionswhy they have fifteen thousand
dollars in cash and they end upforfeiting their cash for a
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vehicle and they're not a drugrunner they're just going to get
a boat.
Dr. Robert Jackson (09:50):
They're just going to buy a boat, happy to
stop them, and they will.
Dr.Robert Jackson (09:53):
You know they'll take that asset, they'll
take the money and then you'vegot all this saga trying to get
it.
It takes them a year or two toget their $15,000 back.
So anyway, there's issues likethat that go on.
And they're not drug runners,so there's just issues that
private citizens in our countyhave with that whole civil asset
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forfeiture.
So anyway, the deputies wereall had strong feelings about
that.
So what was your opinion abouttheir answers?
Dr. Robert Jackson (10:27):
Most all of them had the stance that it
started out okay.
The idea behind Rolling Thunderhey, we need to be responding
to the drug trafficking that'scutting through our county
because of I-85, we've got toaddress this.
Most everybody said well, Ithink actually everybody except
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for one guy said it started outokay, but we need to make some
changes.
We need to make sure that thisis a program that's operating
with integrity and is operatingwell.
There was Nick Duncan said thatwe should end Rolling Thunder,
but his argument was thatbecause deputies are already
doing that, it's just, you know,throughout the year.
And he said we just need tohave more, we need to focus on
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the county versus the interstate.
And then he so that was kind ofhis argument and just it train
the deputies better to do thisall of the time throughout the
County, not just the interstate.
So, but he did I want to givecredit where credit's due he did
say we just we needed to end,uh, rolling thunder, although I
don't think he was thinking weneed to end it for the reasons
that a lot of people would saywe need to end it.
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The one candidate that, um,bill Ryan, said it was okay but
it became problematic.
And then he gave a very strongargument against civil asset
forfeiture and then, quicklyfollowing him, was Rick Stevens,
and Rick Stevens was the onlycandidate that said Rolling
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Thunder violates people's rights.
And he got a rousing applause tothat and he said it possibly
started out okay.
So he kind of agreed with theothers, but you could tell he
really thinks that RollingThunder is very problematic and
he spoke the most stronglyagainst Rolling Thunder and he
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spoke the strongest onprotecting constitutional rights
and spoke very strongly againstthe civil asset forfeiture
that's happened because ofRolling Thunder.
And so I think on the topic ofRolling Thunder, there Rick
Stevens his passion on that andI think his knowledge on that
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wins him edges him out aboveBill Ryan on it.
But, Bill Ryan was strong on itas well as well.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:42):
I got you Now talk about the whole issue of
protecting the constitutionalrights of the citizens.
That was a big issue and therewere some that spoke well, some
not so well.
Dr. Robert Jackson (12:56):
Yeah, I think that this was actually the
question that I was mostinterested to see, because you
and I both know what's thepurpose of the Constitution is
to limit the federal government,and it's not just you know, we
use the term a lot.
Protect the, protect Americans'rights and that kind of thing,
but from who?
And most people think of it as aprotection against criminals,
against you know, from othercountries, that kind of thing.
But from who?
And most people think of it asa protection against criminals,
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against you know, from othercountries, that kind of thing.
But it's really aboutprotecting American citizens
from a federal governmentoverreach and even state
government overreach.
And so I was very intrigued tosee who was going to know the
correct answer for this questionand who was going to be able to
pull that apart?
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Unfortunately, I thought thatRobert Cheeks.
This was the weakest answer forhim.
Andy Clark, rusty Clevenger allthree were weak on this one, as
was Randy Holifield, and notthat their answers were bad or
anything like that.
I just thought, when I've gotto list these guys on a scale of
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1 to 10, and I've got eight ofthem, some guys just had a
really strong answer and somewere less strong.
They weren't bad answers, theywere just their weakest answer.
And so for those guys, I wouldsay Nick Duncan.
His phrase was that the sheriffis the last line of defense.
So for those guys I would sayNick Duncan was he did.
His phrase was that the sheriffis the last line of defense
against an overreaching,overreaching government.
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He was, I thought, nick Duncan.
Probably this was the questionthat he shone on.
Yeah, he shone on this one.
He had a real grasp of that.
He understood the Constitution.
Constitution, like I said, isto limit the government, not
citizens.
And so I I thought this one forhim was the time that he
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actually shown in the evening,right, um, but joseph palato,
bill ryan and rick stevens allhad a real good grasp of that,
as well um and so I'll.
But I I want to give Nick Duncancredit, because that's where I
think he's shown the best of theevening.
So but Bill Ryan, he was the onewhen he when he gave his answer
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, he really demonstrated hisknowledge of the constitution
because he took it, you know, hesaid it's it is to, said it is
to protect the United Statescitizens from federal government
, state government, those things.
He knew what it's actuallythere for.
But then he took it a stepfurther and he talked about how
you know you protect.
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If the Second Amendment istaken away, then you have the
Fourth Amendment is violated andthen the Sixth Amendment is
violated.
And he went all through thatand he demonstrated and he shown
by demonstrating his knowledgeof the constitution and not just
the second amendment, becauseevery police officer knows the
second amendment.
Um, they all do.
They all spoke to the secondamendment, they all defended the
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second amendment and that'swhere most of these guys went
with that question was defendingthe second amendment.
But he understood theimplications for if you don't,
and then demonstrated hisknowledge of the entirety of the
Constitution and the Bill ofRights.
So I very much appreciated thatand I thought Bill shone on
that one as well.
Dr.Robert Jackson (16:06):
Now, who's the most passionate?
Dr. Robert Jackson (16:10):
This was probably a tie for well.
Rick Stevens and then JosephPalato.
Both were very passionate,joseph Palato.
Dr.Robert Jackson (16:16):
Yeah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (16:17):
Both were very passionate.
Joseph Palato I've not talkedabout him a lot.
He has a lot of experience fromFlorida and Texas, from outside
of the state of South Carolinain addition to Spartanburg
County, and he's the new ideaguy.
Dr.Robert Jackson (16:32):
Yeah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (16:32):
You definitely got the vibe that he
was from outside of, or he was abit of the outsider but he'd
been here 14 years in here for along time.
I think his ideas were just.
I just came across that he'sthe guy that's been in the
department that's putting fortha lot of ideas that some people
are like now you got to get ridof that, but then some of them
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are really good ideas and so hewas very passionate about those
things about and a lot of theideas that he had.
I really appreciated that aboutJoseph he did a great job
putting his ideas out there.
Rick Stevens is the guy and Iknow we haven't given
everybody's work history he's.
He's the one who has a lot of.
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He's done a lot of time workinginternationally.
He's done a lot of working withmafia gangs, all kinds of
things, and it was veryinteresting to hear his work
background.
He came across he is unafraidman.
Outro (17:27):
Fearless.
Dr. Robert Jackson (17:28):
Fearless is the right word for Rick Stevens,
and that passion and thatfearlessness really came through
.
So I think it's kind of a tossup between when you're just
saying hey, who is the mostpassionate, Pallotto or Stevens?
Would you agree with that?
Dr.Robert Jackson (17:41):
Yeah, maybe, yeah, I would agree that those
two guys were the mostpassionate and I definitely put
Rick Stevens as the mostcourageous and most fearless Now
, as far as the most statesman.
Now, as far as the moststatesman, I'd give that to Bill
Ryan.
Dr. Robert Jackson (17:59):
Yeah.
Dr.Robert Jackson (18:00):
You know, a sheriff has to be somebody who
can speak to the, to the public,speak to the media and, as far
as being polished, being astatesman, somebody who I think
would represent the county well.
I'd give Bill Ryan thatposition.
Dr. Robert Jackson (18:16):
Yeah, I think Bill Ryan is the candidate
to beat, and it may be tooearly in the show to be saying
that, but yeah, no, but I thinkyou're right.
That's my assessment too, hehad presentation, he had
execution, he was execution, hewas polished he was professional
and articulate Very articulate,he was passionate in the right
places.
He was very knowledgeable, heknew a lot of the terminology,
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the correct terminology.
Now, sometimes knowing thecorrect terminology leaves some
folks behind because there'sother folks who they don't know
what civil asset forfeiture is,so for them they're resonating
with these guys who aredescribing it, not using the
term.
But I appreciated that he didknow the term and not only was
he able to explain it, he knewthe term, used the term, so that
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kind of thing.
And I think he has a presence,and I think he has that
leadership presence and that'sprobably from his time in the
Marines yeah, he does, he, doeshe.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:12):
I mean, he's got his short cropped hair, he's
tall yeah he's handsome.
Um he just.
He just looks like he's alieutenant general in the Marine
Corps you know he also and notto I don't know.
Dr. Robert Jackson (19:24):
You know he, everybody was really nice and
polished last night, but he alsohad this very nice suit that
was.
He wore the suit.
The suit didn't wear him.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:34):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Dr. Robert Jackson (19:36):
And I thought his presence there in
all that.
And one of the things theytalked a lot about was the
morale in the police department.
He spoke a lot about servantleadership, as did Palato,
Joseph Palato they both usedthat term a lot about servant
leadership, as did Palato,joseph Palato they both use that
term a lot, but Bill Ryan didand he's the guy you know when
I'm watching him up therespeaking and talking, he's the
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one that I could see havingthose leadership qualities where
people, he inspires people.
Dr.Robert Jackson (20:05):
He's able to inspire people now.
I think you're right.
Dr. Robert Jackson (20:07):
Whether he inspires them to be men full of
integrity or men who just lookthe other way.
It's too early to say yet youknow, everything that you see
last night and I heard lastnight seems to indicate that he
would be a man that inspirespeople to greatness and to be
men of integrity and to be menwho follow the Lord's way and
that kind of thing.
But you know, but I have nevermet most any of these men before
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in real life, so they couldjust be putting on behind I
don't think they were.
I think there was a lot of folkswho knew them in the audience,
so they seem to be veryauthentic and genuine men.
But you know, so it all seemedto be, I do think Bill Ryan's
the guy to beat, because heseems like he could really rally
that leadership and be the manthat men in the department would
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rally behind yeah, so I'mthinking you're right, I think.
Dr.Robert Jackson (20:56):
I if I, if I, had to make an assessment, I
think that, uh, bill Ryan, rickStevens and Palato those three
are probably going to come outon top.
Now I have to say that a lot ofthese guys have been around a
long time and they probably havea large following, like Randy
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Holifield.
I've known Randy for 40 years.
Rusty Clevenger's been around,for I've known him.
His father was a patient ofmine for probably 30 years.
Dr. Robert Jackson (21:28):
That's right , I can't wait to say it.
He was an investigator, he's acoroner.
Yeah, yeah, rusty's done a lot.
Dr.Robert Jackson (21:33):
Rusty's got a lot of name recognition, yes,
and he's been in the communityand he's done a lot to update
that department.
For a long time Bring it up tospeed.
He had real vision for thesheriff's department.
I appreciated that.
So it's gonna be as hard ascould be hard for some of these
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guys to overcome the namerecognition for rusty yep, and
you know, rusty's got a lot ofsavvy, having been the coroner
for a long time.
And then randy holofield hasbeen in in the force for 40
years, you know, and he's verycompetent and he knows all the
officers.
Now, robert, what was it?
Dr. Robert Jackson (22:15):
Robert.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:16):
Cheeks, Cheeks.
He's a lieutenant in the forceand he probably has a lot of
respect from all the guys thatare there, and you know that's
going to be hard to overcome too.
Yeah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (22:28):
My vibe with him is that he's going to be
back.
I don know that's going to behard to overcome too.
Yeah, my vibe with him is thathe's going to be back.
I don't think he's going totake it this time, but I think
he's probably a rising starwithin, if not our department,
then somewhere.
He's been born and raised herein Spartanburg.
If I remember correctly, atleast lived most all of his life
in Spartanburg.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:42):
I think he's born and raised though.
Dr. Robert Jackson (22:44):
And his passion and love for Spartanburg
really came through, and Ithink that he is going to be one
of those ones to watchpolitically because I don't know
if it's time for his star toshine yet.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:54):
But I think it's going to Okay.
All right, we're running out oftime.
Any last comments?
Dr. Robert Jackson (23:00):
No, I just think Bill Ryan, he's got a
strong campaign already.
I mean, he hit the groundrunning faster than everybody
else did, and I think this issomething that he's probably had
on his heart for a long time.
He spoke to that last night.
Well, this podcast is a weekfrom now.
We're recording this becauseit's all very, very fresh, so
we're recording this next day,but it'll have been a week when
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you guys hear this.
So, anyway, but a lot of reallygood men I think the ones that
really shone were that reallyshined last night were Nick
Duncan, bill Ryan, rick Stevensand Joseph Palato.
Not that the other guys wereinconsequential or wrong or just
way out of left field.
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I just think when you got apick, those were the four that
really shone.
But there's going to be otheropportunities for you to hear.
So stay tuned to those things.
There's, I think, at least twoother forums of some sort that's
going to happen this summer foryou to hear from these guys.
So I encourage you because youknow we want to look for
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information for all of those andI will try to keep you guys
updated as much as possible, dadand I, because this is a very
important race and there's a lotof candidates and it's hard.
They're good candidates sowe'll try to think very
critically about all of them andhelp keep you guys informed as
the as the race kind ofprogresses yep, I encourage you
to take advantage of otherforums and debates that are
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coming up.
Dr.Robert Jackson (24:23):
Uh, go and meet these guys personally,
shake their hands, look them inthe eye, ask them questions,
check out their websites.
I think all of these times areimportant for you to get
face-to-face with them and askthem your questions.
All of that's important.
Dr. Robert Jackson (24:43):
I think there's also a podcast out there
, and is it the Get to Steppin'?
Dr.Robert Jackson (24:47):
Yep Get to Steppin' the Freedom's.
Dr. Robert Jackson (24:48):
Fence Line Get to Steppin' podcast that is
interviewing every candidateexcept for one.
I don't know if they got himlined up yet, but the last I saw
there was eight of the ninecandidates were going to be
interviewed personally,individually on that podcast.
So I encourage you to go listento find the Get to Steppin'
podcast, and I think it's LunaSpecka and Brian Elverson Is
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that the other guy who hoststhat one.
Dr.Robert Jackson (25:14):
I believe that's correct.
Dr. Robert Jackson (25:15):
I knew two Brians.
I don't want to make sure I hadthe right one, right last name
and they are hosting that one.
So if you want to hear from anyof these guys individually,
find that podcast and take thetime to listen to those so very
important race.
A lot of good men.
It's going to be a difficultchoice for Spartanburg County
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but we'll keep you guys informedas we're moving forward and the
race progresses All right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (25:38):
You're listening to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson.
We'll be back again next week.
Until then, may the Lord blessyou real good.
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Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more
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Dr.Robert Jackson (00:23):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, what an exciting week.
I'm here with my daughter,Hannah Miller.
Welcome, Ms Hannah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (00:38):
Thanks, dad, it's always a pleasure.
Dr.Robert Jackson (00:40):
Well, today we're going to discuss the
Republican Party Sheriff's Forumin Spartanburg County.
We had eight highly qualifiedRepublican candidates at a forum
just last night that were allvying for the sheriff's position
here in Spartanburg County.
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And, man, it was electric.
Well, it was electric partlybecause there was a thunderstorm
and there was lightning andthunder and three inches of rain
fell during the program.
But the auditorium was packed.
There was probably, oh, I don'tknow, six or seven hundred
people there.
And, man, I'm telling you, ourmoderator was Bill Frady from
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WORD 98.9.
He did an excellent job and thecandidates, I'm telling you,
all eight of them, would make agood sheriff.
Dr. Robert Jackson (01:37):
Yeah, I think it's actually going to be
very difficult.
And again, we have to say youknow, one of the candidates,
adam Criss, wasn't there, sohe's excluded from all of our
commentary.
Don't have anything that wecould say about him, so we're
going to be talking about theother eight, though, and the
eight that were there RobertCheeks, andy Clark, rusty
Clevenger, nick Duncan, randyHolyfield, joseph Pilato, bill
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Ryan and Rick Stevens.
As you said, all strongcandidates.
I was impressed.
I was very impressed too.
It makes it harder for the voterit does it's very impressive to
know that these are the menthat want to serve spartanburg
county and it makes me verygrateful.
I I liked all of them forvarious reasons.
I really wish you could justkind of ball them all up, make
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one guy, because they had somany great, great ideas.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:28):
Yeah, and good characteristics.
Dr. Robert Jackson (02:30):
Yes, and good characteristics across the
board.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:33):
So well, let me do.
Let me say this now All of themhave served in law enforcement.
All of them have worked at onetime or another in the
Spartanburg County Sheriff'sDepartment.
All of them have been, you know, beat cops work, traffic work,
vice.
You know.
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They've all worked at variousparts of the Sheriff's
Department.
Some of them have gone on towork in the highway patrol, not
all.
So there's a large, broadspectrum of experience.
That was on the stage.
All of them had a personalvision for what they could do to
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help improve the sheriff'sdepartment and how they could be
a good sheriff for SpartanburgCounty.
All of them are well-spoken.
Sheriff for Spartanburg County.
All of them are well-spoken.
All of them are prettypassionate about what needs to
be done.
So let me ask you a question,ms Hannah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (03:33):
Oh, wait, before we go into the questions.
I was going to say down in thenotes for both of our podcasts
is that we're going to haveevery candidate's website linked
there.
So, listeners, if you want moreinformation and I encourage you
to go to their websites to findmore information there's a link
down there for you to click foreach of the candidates so you
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can go there and find moreinformation about their work
experience, their history, theirvision, all that kind of stuff.
Dr.Robert Jackson (04:00):
Yep, very good Shoot shooter, all right.
Dr. Robert Jackson (04:09):
So what were the topics that were discussed
that Bill Frady asked each ofthe candidates.
Okay, so these were the topicsthat were compiled from the most
asked questions from voters inSpartanburg County.
So they took these questions upand then compiled them.
They broke it down into fourquestions and the first one was
culture in the sheriff'sdepartment and of course this is
all about restoring trust andintegrity to the office.
This was employee morale.
A lot of people have concernsabout the morale in the
department.
Then you've got communications,transparency and engagement
(04:32):
with the citizens, countygovernment and community
partners.
So all of that's kind of lumpedinto that first question and
you're already beginning to seewith that first question.
This was, you got eightcandidates responding to four
questions all like this.
It was a lengthy night.
We're going to try to, you know, kind of compress all the
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information the best that we can, uh, but number question number
two was concerns in ourcommunity and this had to do
with, you know, criminal illegalaliens in our community, fraud
and scams targeted at seniors,dui theft, human trafficking,
drugs, fentanyl, homelessness,all of those kind of criminal
activities that we see happeningin Spartanburg County, and ask
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these guys to spend threeminutes responding to that.
Then the third question wassafeguarding the rights of the
people, and this was theconstitutional question.
And well, we'll get into thatin a minute, but this was a
constitutional protections andenforcement.
What do you think about your?
What's your perspective onrolling thunder specifically?
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:32):
Oh, that was a big one and that was a big one
, uh, or other initiatives inthe department.
Dr. Robert Jackson (05:36):
And then the last question was creative
solutions to difficult problems,and this had to do with the
detention center issues, thelong response time, recruitment,
deputy retention, the best useof a $33 million annual budget
so all of that, and God blessthese guys.
You know you've only got threeminutes and you've got to
respond to a question like that.
It's hard to do, and so theyall did more or less a really
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great job trying to respond tothese things, but there's
aspects of each one that, know,probably wasn't answered
perfectly, uh, but that's justthe nature of you've got eight
guys up there and they can onlythey only have three minutes you
know.
Dr.Robert Jackson (06:14):
But I have to say they all had a good answer.
They all did well in answeringthe questions, um, and and it
was very interesting meeting andit went by fast.
Dr. Robert Jackson (06:24):
Yeah, it did .
It went by very fast.
I was very intrigued and ofcourse, this is something that I
don't think a lot of peoplerealize the importance of the
sheriff's department and whoyour sheriff is in your county.
And this was one of the thingsthat was highlighted during
COVID.
To me and to a lot of folks washow important it is for you to
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make sure that your sheriff isnot somebody who's going to shut
down your, your business, orenforce masking or you know
they're going to follow throughIf you get you get fired because
of not taking the shot, thingslike that.
You know making sure that blacklives matters riots weren't
happening in our city thingsBlack Lives Matter riots weren't
happening in our city.
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It became very close to home toa lot of folks who have not had
a lot of brushing up againstcriminal activity, and so it is
very important and so this was avery to me.
I was very interested to hearwhat these guys had to say.
Dr.Robert Jackson (07:20):
So Well, tell me, tell me now.
You were there and you weretaking, and I saw you taking
notes on everything.
So who did you think was thestrongest candidate on?
Let's just pick one.
Um, the thing that I thoughtwas that people were the most
passionate about was thisrolling thunder question.
(07:41):
Yeah, um, I mean, the audiencewas obviously very interested in
those answers.
Um, so what did you think?
Dr. Robert Jackson (07:51):
well, for our listeners sake, refresh
their memories on what rollingthunder is All right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (07:56):
If everybody knows, we're on the interstate
I-95 well, 85 for us and I-26goes right through our county.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:11):
As the sheriff's candidate said, all
the drugs move from the south tothe north and all the cash
moves from the north to thesouth Cuts right through
Spartanburg County.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:16):
That's right, and so, once a year, there's an
influx of extra deputies thatcomes to help us execute what
they've called Rolling Thunder.
Dr. Robert Jackson (08:29):
This initiative, yeah.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:31):
Yep, and there's a lot of traffic stops.
Some of them we, some people,consider unnecessary, but
usually there's a cause and thevehicles are searched and of
course, they're searching forsex trafficked individuals,
searching for illicit cash andillicit drugs.
Where the rub comes in is whenthere's the seizure of assets.
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Yes, civil asset forfeiture isa technical term.
Say it again Civil assetforfeiture, that's right Civil
asset forfeiture and sometimespeople who are not drug abusers
drug sellers, I guess you'd callthem traffickers are caught up
in that and their assets areforfeited and they have a hard
(09:22):
time getting their money back.
And the illustration that wasgiven was if someone's got
$15,000 in their automobile andthey're going to buy a boat or
another vehicle and they'restopped for, say, a tail, light
this out and somebody questionswhy they have fifteen thousand
dollars in cash and they end upforfeiting their cash for a
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vehicle and they're not a drugrunner they're just going to get
a boat.
Dr. Robert Jackson (09:50):
They're just going to buy a boat, happy to
stop them, and they will.
Dr.Robert Jackson (09:53):
You know they'll take that asset, they'll
take the money and then you'vegot all this saga trying to get
it.
It takes them a year or two toget their $15,000 back.
So anyway, there's issues likethat that go on.
And they're not drug runners,so there's just issues that
private citizens in our countyhave with that whole civil asset
(10:16):
forfeiture.
So anyway, the deputies wereall had strong feelings about
that.
So what was your opinion abouttheir answers?
Dr. Robert Jackson (10:27):
Most all of them had the stance that it
started out okay.
The idea behind Rolling Thunderhey, we need to be responding
to the drug trafficking that'scutting through our county
because of I-85, we've got toaddress this.
Most everybody said well, Ithink actually everybody except
(10:47):
for one guy said it started outokay, but we need to make some
changes.
We need to make sure that thisis a program that's operating
with integrity and is operatingwell.
There was Nick Duncan said thatwe should end Rolling Thunder,
but his argument was thatbecause deputies are already
doing that, it's just, you know,throughout the year.
And he said we just need tohave more, we need to focus on
(11:10):
the county versus the interstate.
And then he so that was kind ofhis argument and just it train
the deputies better to do thisall of the time throughout the
County, not just the interstate.
So, but he did I want to givecredit where credit's due he did
say we just we needed to end,uh, rolling thunder, although I
don't think he was thinking weneed to end it for the reasons
that a lot of people would saywe need to end it.
(11:31):
The one candidate that, um,bill Ryan, said it was okay but
it became problematic.
And then he gave a very strongargument against civil asset
forfeiture and then, quicklyfollowing him, was Rick Stevens,
and Rick Stevens was the onlycandidate that said Rolling
(11:51):
Thunder violates people's rights.
And he got a rousing applause tothat and he said it possibly
started out okay.
So he kind of agreed with theothers, but you could tell he
really thinks that RollingThunder is very problematic and
he spoke the most stronglyagainst Rolling Thunder and he
(12:13):
spoke the strongest onprotecting constitutional rights
and spoke very strongly againstthe civil asset forfeiture
that's happened because ofRolling Thunder.
And so I think on the topic ofRolling Thunder, there Rick
Stevens his passion on that andI think his knowledge on that
(12:34):
wins him edges him out aboveBill Ryan on it.
But, Bill Ryan was strong on itas well as well.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:42):
I got you Now talk about the whole issue of
protecting the constitutionalrights of the citizens.
That was a big issue and therewere some that spoke well, some
not so well.
Dr. Robert Jackson (12:56):
Yeah, I think that this was actually the
question that I was mostinterested to see, because you
and I both know what's thepurpose of the Constitution is
to limit the federal government,and it's not just you know, we
use the term a lot.
Protect the, protect Americans'rights and that kind of thing,
but from who?
And most people think of it as aprotection against criminals,
against you know, from othercountries, that kind of thing.
But from who?
And most people think of it asa protection against criminals,
(13:18):
against you know, from othercountries, that kind of thing.
But it's really aboutprotecting American citizens
from a federal governmentoverreach and even state
government overreach.
And so I was very intrigued tosee who was going to know the
correct answer for this questionand who was going to be able to
pull that apart?
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Unfortunately, I thought thatRobert Cheeks.
This was the weakest answer forhim.
Andy Clark, rusty Clevenger allthree were weak on this one, as
was Randy Holifield, and notthat their answers were bad or
anything like that.
I just thought, when I've gotto list these guys on a scale of
(14:02):
1 to 10, and I've got eight ofthem, some guys just had a
really strong answer and somewere less strong.
They weren't bad answers, theywere just their weakest answer.
And so for those guys, I wouldsay Nick Duncan.
His phrase was that the sheriffis the last line of defense.
So for those guys I would sayNick Duncan was he did.
His phrase was that the sheriffis the last line of defense
against an overreaching,overreaching government.
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He was, I thought, nick Duncan.
Probably this was the questionthat he shone on.
Yeah, he shone on this one.
He had a real grasp of that.
He understood the Constitution.
Constitution, like I said, isto limit the government, not
citizens.
And so I I thought this one forhim was the time that he
(14:44):
actually shown in the evening,right, um, but joseph palato,
bill ryan and rick stevens allhad a real good grasp of that,
as well um and so I'll.
But I I want to give Nick Duncancredit, because that's where I
think he's shown the best of theevening.
So but Bill Ryan, he was the onewhen he when he gave his answer
(15:07):
, he really demonstrated hisknowledge of the constitution
because he took it, you know, hesaid it's it is to, said it is
to protect the United Statescitizens from federal government
, state government, those things.
He knew what it's actuallythere for.
But then he took it a stepfurther and he talked about how
you know you protect.
(15:28):
If the Second Amendment istaken away, then you have the
Fourth Amendment is violated andthen the Sixth Amendment is
violated.
And he went all through thatand he demonstrated and he shown
by demonstrating his knowledgeof the constitution and not just
the second amendment, becauseevery police officer knows the
second amendment.
Um, they all do.
They all spoke to the secondamendment, they all defended the
(15:49):
second amendment and that'swhere most of these guys went
with that question was defendingthe second amendment.
But he understood theimplications for if you don't,
and then demonstrated hisknowledge of the entirety of the
Constitution and the Bill ofRights.
So I very much appreciated thatand I thought Bill shone on
that one as well.
Dr.Robert Jackson (16:06):
Now, who's the most passionate?
Dr. Robert Jackson (16:10):
This was probably a tie for well.
Rick Stevens and then JosephPalato.
Both were very passionate,joseph Palato.
Dr.Robert Jackson (16:16):
Yeah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (16:17):
Both were very passionate.
Joseph Palato I've not talkedabout him a lot.
He has a lot of experience fromFlorida and Texas, from outside
of the state of South Carolinain addition to Spartanburg
County, and he's the new ideaguy.
Dr.Robert Jackson (16:32):
Yeah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (16:32):
You definitely got the vibe that he
was from outside of, or he was abit of the outsider but he'd
been here 14 years in here for along time.
I think his ideas were just.
I just came across that he'sthe guy that's been in the
department that's putting fortha lot of ideas that some people
are like now you got to get ridof that, but then some of them
(16:53):
are really good ideas and so hewas very passionate about those
things about and a lot of theideas that he had.
I really appreciated that aboutJoseph he did a great job
putting his ideas out there.
Rick Stevens is the guy and Iknow we haven't given
everybody's work history he's.
He's the one who has a lot of.
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He's done a lot of time workinginternationally.
He's done a lot of working withmafia gangs, all kinds of
things, and it was veryinteresting to hear his work
background.
He came across he is unafraidman.
Outro (17:27):
Fearless.
Dr. Robert Jackson (17:28):
Fearless is the right word for Rick Stevens,
and that passion and thatfearlessness really came through
.
So I think it's kind of a tossup between when you're just
saying hey, who is the mostpassionate, Pallotto or Stevens?
Would you agree with that?
Dr.Robert Jackson (17:41):
Yeah, maybe, yeah, I would agree that those
two guys were the mostpassionate and I definitely put
Rick Stevens as the mostcourageous and most fearless Now
, as far as the most statesman.
Now, as far as the moststatesman, I'd give that to Bill
Ryan.
Dr. Robert Jackson (17:59):
Yeah.
Dr.Robert Jackson (18:00):
You know, a sheriff has to be somebody who
can speak to the, to the public,speak to the media and, as far
as being polished, being astatesman, somebody who I think
would represent the county well.
I'd give Bill Ryan thatposition.
Dr. Robert Jackson (18:16):
Yeah, I think Bill Ryan is the candidate
to beat, and it may be tooearly in the show to be saying
that, but yeah, no, but I thinkyou're right.
That's my assessment too, hehad presentation, he had
execution, he was execution, hewas polished he was professional
and articulate Very articulate,he was passionate in the right
places.
He was very knowledgeable, heknew a lot of the terminology,
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the correct terminology.
Now, sometimes knowing thecorrect terminology leaves some
folks behind because there'sother folks who they don't know
what civil asset forfeiture is,so for them they're resonating
with these guys who aredescribing it, not using the
term.
But I appreciated that he didknow the term and not only was
he able to explain it, he knewthe term, used the term, so that
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kind of thing.
And I think he has a presence,and I think he has that
leadership presence and that'sprobably from his time in the
Marines yeah, he does, he, doeshe.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:12):
I mean, he's got his short cropped hair, he's
tall yeah he's handsome.
Um he just.
He just looks like he's alieutenant general in the Marine
Corps you know he also and notto I don't know.
Dr. Robert Jackson (19:24):
You know he, everybody was really nice and
polished last night, but he alsohad this very nice suit that
was.
He wore the suit.
The suit didn't wear him.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:34):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Dr. Robert Jackson (19:36):
And I thought his presence there in
all that.
And one of the things theytalked a lot about was the
morale in the police department.
He spoke a lot about servantleadership, as did Palato,
Joseph Palato they both usedthat term a lot about servant
leadership, as did Palato,joseph Palato they both use that
term a lot, but Bill Ryan didand he's the guy you know when
I'm watching him up therespeaking and talking, he's the
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one that I could see havingthose leadership qualities where
people, he inspires people.
Dr.Robert Jackson (20:05):
He's able to inspire people now.
I think you're right.
Dr. Robert Jackson (20:07):
Whether he inspires them to be men full of
integrity or men who just lookthe other way.
It's too early to say yet youknow, everything that you see
last night and I heard lastnight seems to indicate that he
would be a man that inspirespeople to greatness and to be
men of integrity and to be menwho follow the Lord's way and
that kind of thing.
But you know, but I have nevermet most any of these men before
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in real life, so they couldjust be putting on behind I
don't think they were.
I think there was a lot of folkswho knew them in the audience,
so they seem to be veryauthentic and genuine men.
But you know, so it all seemedto be, I do think Bill Ryan's
the guy to beat, because heseems like he could really rally
that leadership and be the manthat men in the department would
(20:52):
rally behind yeah, so I'mthinking you're right, I think.
Dr.Robert Jackson (20:56):
I if I, if I, had to make an assessment, I
think that, uh, bill Ryan, rickStevens and Palato those three
are probably going to come outon top.
Now I have to say that a lot ofthese guys have been around a
long time and they probably havea large following, like Randy
(21:16):
Holifield.
I've known Randy for 40 years.
Rusty Clevenger's been around,for I've known him.
His father was a patient ofmine for probably 30 years.
Dr. Robert Jackson (21:28):
That's right , I can't wait to say it.
He was an investigator, he's acoroner.
Yeah, yeah, rusty's done a lot.
Dr.Robert Jackson (21:33):
Rusty's got a lot of name recognition, yes,
and he's been in the communityand he's done a lot to update
that department.
For a long time Bring it up tospeed.
He had real vision for thesheriff's department.
I appreciated that.
So it's gonna be as hard ascould be hard for some of these
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guys to overcome the namerecognition for rusty yep, and
you know, rusty's got a lot ofsavvy, having been the coroner
for a long time.
And then randy holofield hasbeen in in the force for 40
years, you know, and he's verycompetent and he knows all the
officers.
Now, robert, what was it?
Dr. Robert Jackson (22:15):
Robert.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:16):
Cheeks, Cheeks.
He's a lieutenant in the forceand he probably has a lot of
respect from all the guys thatare there, and you know that's
going to be hard to overcome too.
Yeah.
Dr. Robert Jackson (22:28):
My vibe with him is that he's going to be
back.
I don know that's going to behard to overcome too.
Yeah, my vibe with him is thathe's going to be back.
I don't think he's going totake it this time, but I think
he's probably a rising starwithin, if not our department,
then somewhere.
He's been born and raised herein Spartanburg.
If I remember correctly, atleast lived most all of his life
in Spartanburg.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:42):
I think he's born and raised though.
Dr. Robert Jackson (22:44):
And his passion and love for Spartanburg
really came through, and Ithink that he is going to be one
of those ones to watchpolitically because I don't know
if it's time for his star toshine yet.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:54):
But I think it's going to Okay.
All right, we're running out oftime.
Any last comments?
Dr. Robert Jackson (23:00):
No, I just think Bill Ryan, he's got a
strong campaign already.
I mean, he hit the groundrunning faster than everybody
else did, and I think this issomething that he's probably had
on his heart for a long time.
He spoke to that last night.
Well, this podcast is a weekfrom now.
We're recording this becauseit's all very, very fresh, so
we're recording this next day,but it'll have been a week when
(23:21):
you guys hear this.
So, anyway, but a lot of reallygood men I think the ones that
really shone were that reallyshined last night were Nick
Duncan, bill Ryan, rick Stevensand Joseph Palato.
Not that the other guys wereinconsequential or wrong or just
way out of left field.
(23:42):
I just think when you got apick, those were the four that
really shone.
But there's going to be otheropportunities for you to hear.
So stay tuned to those things.
There's, I think, at least twoother forums of some sort that's
going to happen this summer foryou to hear from these guys.
So I encourage you because youknow we want to look for
(24:02):
information for all of those andI will try to keep you guys
updated as much as possible, dadand I, because this is a very
important race and there's a lotof candidates and it's hard.
They're good candidates sowe'll try to think very
critically about all of them andhelp keep you guys informed as
the as the race kind ofprogresses yep, I encourage you
to take advantage of otherforums and debates that are
(24:22):
coming up.
Dr.Robert Jackson (24:23):
Uh, go and meet these guys personally,
shake their hands, look them inthe eye, ask them questions,
check out their websites.
I think all of these times areimportant for you to get
face-to-face with them and askthem your questions.
All of that's important.
Dr. Robert Jackson (24:43):
I think there's also a podcast out there
, and is it the Get to Steppin'?
Dr.Robert Jackson (24:47):
Yep Get to Steppin' the Freedom's.
Dr. Robert Jackson (24:48):
Fence Line Get to Steppin' podcast that is
interviewing every candidateexcept for one.
I don't know if they got himlined up yet, but the last I saw
there was eight of the ninecandidates were going to be
interviewed personally,individually on that podcast.
So I encourage you to go listento find the Get to Steppin'
podcast, and I think it's LunaSpecka and Brian Elverson Is
(25:13):
that the other guy who hoststhat one.
Dr.Robert Jackson (25:14):
I believe that's correct.
Dr. Robert Jackson (25:15):
I knew two Brians.
I don't want to make sure I hadthe right one, right last name
and they are hosting that one.
So if you want to hear from anyof these guys individually,
find that podcast and take thetime to listen to those so very
important race.
A lot of good men.
It's going to be a difficultchoice for Spartanburg County
(25:36):
but we'll keep you guys informedas we're moving forward and the
race progresses All right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (25:38):
You're listening to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson.
We'll be back again next week.
Until then, may the Lord blessyou real good.
Outro (25:47):
Thank you for listening to this edition of More Than
Medicine.
For more information about theJackson Family Ministry or to
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Also, don't forget to check outDr Jackson's books that are
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(26:08):
Truths, and his father'sbiography on Laughter Silvered
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Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.