How can a 75 year old woman go from retirement to over 160,000 followers in just four months? Nadja Piatka figured it out. But the best part? She wasn’t even trying to be an influencer at 75. She recently retired, and wanted an opportunity to share what she’s learned in her life, how to balance a healthy lifestyle and promote positive aging. I was first introduced to Nadja via Instagram. I liked her positivity and the fact that she and I both have the same passion regarding our age and being proud of the aging process. But once we decided to move forward with the interview, I learned so much more about Nadja’s past. Boy! Was I in for a treat, and you will be too.
In this episode of the More Than Your Age podcast, I sit down with Nadja Piatka—entrepreneur, author, and healthy aging advocate—whose unexpected rise to social media fame is only part of her remarkable story.
Nadja opens up about starting over after divorce, building a multi-million dollar healthy baking business, and how an appearance on The Oprah Winfrey Show changed her life. Her story is a powerful example of resilience, reinvention, and the belief that it’s never too late to make an impact.
We talk about:
How Nadja became a viral sensation at 75
The challenges of starting a business as a single mom
Why aging positively is a movement worth leading
Her experience on Oprah and what came next
How she uses Instagram to empower women over 50
The role of mindset, purpose, and timing in success
Whether you’re navigating a life transition, dreaming of launching a business, or simply looking for motivation to age with confidence, Nadja’s story will leave you feeling inspired and empowered to keep moving forward—no matter your age.
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I am your host Erica Pasbar. Let's start living life fully
and become more than your age. I love the interview that I had
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with my guest for this week's episode.
She is such a delight and so funand she has a perspective on
aging. She is 75 years old and she is
fulfilling and doing more and more and more wonderful things
with her life. You are going to take away so
many great Nuggets in this episode.
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truly just a number. Best selling cookbook author,
certified fitness instructor, retired CEO of Hallista Foods,
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Naja Piatka. Welcome to the More Than Your
Age podcast. Thank you, Erica.
So happy to be here. I am so happy to have you.
I love just at the time of our, our current recording, we
connected via Instagram. I guess it was just a week ago
and I loved what I saw. And so I'll just share a little
bit for the listeners. You are a 75 year old woman
sharing your life and how you were taking care of yourself
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through exercise, diet and lifestyle.
You are proving to everyone thatlife continues and on and it
looks incredible at 75. I'm so glad that you were doing
this. I mean, seriously, I just saw it
and I was like, yes, yes, yes. And then, you know, you respond
to bag. And then I thought, wait, I need
to hear your life's. Yeah, I need to hear your story.
Why are you so positive about all this?
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So I, I saw your page and, you know, everything looks great.
And then when I asked you to be an, you know, to be a guest on
the, the podcast, I didn't know your whole resume when you said
yes. And then I thought, OK, well,
let me take a look more about her.
And then I saw your whole resumeof your your career.
And I thought, wow, not just even more of a woman who fits
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into this qualification of beingmore than her age.
And so I'm just very, very thankful to have you share
because it's going to resonate with the listeners and help the
listeners as well. So I do we will talk about kind
of where you are now, but we're going to go a little bit to the
to the beginning. So something that when I watched
your your Oprah video. So for the listeners, nachos on
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Oprah. So that's a big fun thing to
claim you. Yeah, that's fascinating.
So you were married to a dentista long time ago and you were a
stay at home mom. You stayed home and didn't work
outside of the home until one day you left.
So what happened? Well, you know, I was married
for just under 20 years and I I had, we have two young children
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and you know, if, if it wasn't agreat marriage, but it was what
I knew, it was the life. I knew I never had to worry
about money and I, you know, just was sort of accepting the
way things were. And yes, he, you know, met an
actress slash model and came home one day and said that he
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was leaving and he had gone through at the same time of
bankruptcy. So he moved to the other part of
the country where his girlfriendwas.
And I was left with the house that was being repossessed, the
cars that were being taken and the bill collectors at the door.
And I was a teacher by trade when we first got married, but
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that was like 20 years before that.
So trying to get back into the teaching career, I was very
outdated and I couldn't find work and, you know, had to move
into a house where when the moving man pulled up, he said to
my girlfriend that went ahead with the moving van.
Moving van seller goes, I'm not going to load the truck.
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I think we got the wrong address.
And then she goes, no, you got the right address.
So. So yeah, things changed.
And it's interesting, you know, when in sometimes the toughest
days, you find out there is a reason and it puts you on a path
of maybe where you're supposed to go.
You know, I look back and I say,you know, he did me a favor
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because I redefined myself. I I found my strength.
You know, I used to be a gosh and golly, please and thank your
wife. And then I had two children.
I had bill collectors at the door.
I had to find work. I had to provide for them.
And I think it just I found an inner strength that I didn't
think I had. And and it's interesting.
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People say, did he want to come back?
And yeah, he did want to come back.
And I, I said, no, I like the new person I am.
I, I don't want to be that person.
I, I like who I am now. And, and so it, it, it changed
my life. And, and I think, you know what
I love to tell them because, youknow, say, everybody goes
through tough times, everybody goes through losses, everybody
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goes through situations. They wonder like, why is this
happening to me? And I think you have to, you
know, I learned two things, you know, losing, you know, like our
fancy house and all that. I lost some of my fancy friends,
too because. Yeah.
So I couldn't afford to keep up.And I call that thing of the
herd, which is OK. But I learned, you know, don't
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ever love anything. They can't love you back.
And homes and possessions are things.
And I learned that, you know, there were more important
things. And sometimes the world just
just put you on a new path. And I think that's the one thing
I find women are very resilient.And we do, you know, we are, we
have such amazing coping skills that, you know, we can we can
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not only achieve and provide anddo things.
And you know, let's face it, I'mnot going to say I wasn't in a
fetal position for a while, but you know, you want to kind of.
And, and what was the breaking point for me was when the bill
collector used to come when I, when we moved in, when we moved
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into the little house, but the bill collector would come there
because there was still money owed.
And I used to hide under the table, which was just under the
under a window. So when he looked in the
windows, and yes, they do look in the windows, but I would just
hide under there. And then they think no one's
home and they go away. But one day my daughter Veronica
was home from school and she was, she came home for lunch and
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I made her hide under the table with me.
And I remember, you know, we're on our hands and knees, you
know, nose to nose and, and he'syelling deadbeat and, and Ron is
going, Mommy, mommy, I, I have to go to school.
I have to go. And I said, no, no, no, you guys
stay here till he goes away. And, you know, and I remember
saying to her, you know, Ronica,one day we're going to laugh
about this. It was so that was the, the
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moment that turned things just made me realize that I, I, I
don't want to be in this position anymore.
I couldn't find work, as I said,because I was unqualified.
I couldn't even turn on a computer.
I just, I knew so little. And so I started doing what I
knew. And that was, you know, baking.
I love to bake. I always loved, I always was
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interested in food. My parents owned a restaurant.
We lived above a restaurant. We also had a grocery store
before that. You know, I thought all children
put an egg print on when they came home from school.
This was just, you know, just our world.
And it was wonderful. You know, we had lots of food
and we didn't, we didn't have a lot of money, but we had so much
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bounty, you know, so much to be grateful for.
And I love the food business. And my mother even said to me
when I was little, she said nausea.
There's some people who just have a connection to food and I
really think I did because my two other sisters, you couldn't
find them after school. So, so it was, you know, so I
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pulled on to that. I thought, you know, I love
making healthy food. That was something that because
I had a weight problem when I was younger and I, I started to
learn how to eat better. And so I started baking and
waking up at 4:00 in the morningto, you know, make muffins and I
would sell them to coffee shops in our, I lived in Edmonton, AB,
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Canada that time. And in the middle of the winter
getting in my car and, and selling to coffee shops and I, I
was making healthy muffins and they were selling off the tray.
And yeah, so that's when, when people were looking to eat
healthy, but healthy didn't taste good.
Now healthy does taste good, taste better than it did back
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then. Healthy tastes like cardboard
back then. But I was able to create things
that I believed in, that I loved.
And you know, that led to me outsourcing.
So I wasn't getting up in the morning and baking.
I went to a little bakery, had them sign a confidentiality
agreement, which I could not afford lawyers.
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So I took an old aerobics waiverand just whited out some words
so they couldn't steal my recipes and, and they made my
products. And then I went out and started
to mark and sell, expand the places that we could sell these
products because they were, theycould deliver for me.
And that's how I got into the McDonald's business by
approaching them. That was hard because healthy
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was not big on their menu. They it was important, but it
wasn't anything they felt could sell because it never tasted
good, except my product did. So, yeah.
So it was a, it was quite the journey, a lot of ups and downs,
but I think having two children and, and, and I did not have
alimony. I had child support, not a lot,
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but I had child support, but no alimony for myself.
So that was, you know, another reason why I had to, I had to
find some work to do, but I found such joy in the clicking
that, you know, it's amazing when you find joy in what you're
doing. I was telling people, don't
follow the money, let the money follow you, which means if you
love what you're doing, that abundance will happen.
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But you can't do something just because, oh, I'm good.
It's just for the money. I mean, you can, but if that's
that might not be your purpose, that might not be your passion.
That might be your need at the time.
And believe me, if I had a foundwork, I would have taken it.
And I I used to pray at night and I used to say, you know,
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Lord, if I could just find a job, my worries would be over
and I could not find work. And it put me on a another pass
because if I had of I certainly would have taken that because I
would have at least had money coming in.
But I, I, I share a story. Oh, I had, I got one interview.
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I mean, I had the worst resume in the world.
Have you ever. When's the last time you were 22
years ago? OK.
Do you know a computer? I think I can open one.
I'm not sure if I can turn it on.
I mean, like I was just so bad. Oh my God, I wonder, I don't
even know how I ended up even wanting to show up for this
interview, but I did, I did showup and you can tell when you're
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when you're not doing well interview until the person's
expression, you know, and, but Iwas so desperate.
So I kept talking and like, and,and I remember and I saw I tell
people because a take away for everyone who's listening.
Do not cry during an interview. It doesn't work.
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So Needless to say, I had to do other things.
And I'm such a believer in in purpose.
I'm such a believer in where sometimes you're pushed or
nudged into other places. You know, people sometimes
wonder, you know, why did I, whydid not I not get that job?
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Why did not, why did that relationship not work?
Why did that person leave me? Why did this happen?
Because we do have things that happen to us.
And sometimes we think like, whyis this?
And when things happen, bad things happen to you.
Believe me, you think you're theonly one because it's like such
a solitary awful thing. And what I learned was, you
know, sometimes there's a reasonand the universe is, is just
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telling you this is not where you're supposed to be or what
you're supposed to do. And yeah, I it's been even
retiring now at 75. And I discovered I'm not good at
retiring. I don't play golf.
There goes my, there goes my day.
And I love my friends who playedgolf, but they're good at it.
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So I have to share my my can I share my my golf story with you?
Sure. OK, so I went out with the golf
coach because I thought it you know, would now them retire it'd
be nice to play golf. And so is my first lesson and I
hit 75 and the golf and I said to my golf instructor what do we
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do now? And he said, we go to the 2nd
hole. Just kidding.
That's how bad I was. So, and again, I, I turned back
to, you know, just what do I find joy in?
And I find joy in, in like sharing things.
You know, that good feeling likewhen you tell someone about a
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good restaurant and they go and they go, that was a great meal.
And you kind of get this feelingyou're not getting anything
monetary from it, but you just feel good.
Or you tell someone, oh, you should watch this movie or you
should watch this this TV seriesand they go, Oh, I watched it
was so good. And you just feel really, you
just feel good. And this Instagram account that
I started just over four months ago.
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I just started it because I thought, you know, I feel like
I'm kind of bored. What could I do?
But I love sharing things that have helped me along my life,
whether it's do my health or other things.
I just thought I'm just going todo an Instagram and just put out
there everything that has helpedme just put it out there and
wasn't even just didn't even think I would have the response
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I did. And when I first started, I had
like family. I'm going, would you like follow
me just so I've got a couple people up there and then all of
a sudden more and more people because and they were saying, I
like what you're saying. You know, I can do this.
It's real. And then, you know, now I'm
getting over 10,000 followers a week.
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Oh my gosh, yeah. And it's growing and growing and
all. And it's just the simplicity of
just saying, I just want to tellyou what I do, what helps me and
that is as simple as that. So I'm having such joy in what
I'm doing. And I figured at 75 I hope I can
do this like for another 10 years 95 year old or or the 85
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year old doing exercise. Oh, I believe it.
Well, OK, so Nadja, I want to go, I want to kind of go back a
little bit some more to some of your story because I'm I'm like,
Oh my goodness. I have so many questions from
from kind of the beginning. So I'm curious to know when
after your ex-husband told you he was leaving and you there was
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a moment, you know, you were living in this very nice house
and then you with your children,you moved to the smaller home.
And then you said the debt collector came banging on the
door and you looked at your daughter and you said, you know,
one day we're going to laugh about this.
How much time had happened from initiation to wake up call of OK
I got to figure something out. Well, the moving from the big
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house to the little house was the, you know, was that first
transition in lifestyle and, youknow, and that was traumatic.
I mean, it wasn't traumatic because I was moving out of the
big house. It was traumatic because I had I
had furniture that went from a big home to a little house.
So like, where do I put this in?I was like giving the the giving
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the guys that were moving, moving me like first just want
to take this like I'm going to play.
So, you know, and then, and thenjust realizing like, you know,
when, like when my son walked inthe house, he goes, mom, are,
are my friends going to laugh atme when they see where I live
now? You know, so you know, the
reality that we weren't where we, we, we, we used to be.
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And then on top of that, we, youknow, we lost her.
I mean, our dog, we couldn't find her dog when we're moving
because you know, with the goinginto the houses and you know,
and open doors and like we get to the new house and the dog was
in the car and then he's not andthe kids are crying and like,
I'm like, just, well, it ended up the dog had we went back to
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the other house. We thought, oh, maybe he went
there, but he wasn't there, but he ended up jumping into like
the sunroof of my car and just sleeping in there because he he
didn't like the new house either, clearly.
So all right, so that was, that was such a tough day and it is
so funny. My mother came to help me and I
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really was really, I was really putting it together.
And I remember I couldn't find acoffee.
I needed a cup of coffee and, and I couldn't find my mug that
I liked. And I remember just breaking
down and sobbing. And your mother's going, we'll
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get more coffee. And it wasn't the coffee.
It was like just the last straw,like just, Oh my God, I cannot
do this. So, you know, so that was so
moved into the house. I was trying to find work.
It was quite a few months. The bill collectors, you know,
were, were, were coming after usand, and so that's when so it
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was a few months after that where I started to bake and
saying, well, I'll do this, you know, see if and if it's a
friend of mine, she had a small coffee shop.
So I went to her and I think no,can I make these muffins and
just see if that was back when you didn't need like the, the
the the kitchen, the qualified kitchen to to look.
She had a little coffee shop. I had a little kitchen.
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She goes, well, bring them in. They were selling off the tray.
And that's when I realized I think I have something that has
value. And it's interesting the
definition of an entrepreneur. And I did not make this up, but
but it's a great definition. And I think it's something that
a lot of people can apply to it if they are entrepreneurs or
would be entrepreneurs, is an entrepreneur is someone who
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creates something out of nothingand translates it into something
of value that other people want.It could be anything, could be
gadget, it could be a food, it could be something that people
not want. But you, that's what an
entrepreneur does. He creates something out of
nothing and translates it into something of value that other
people want. And it was as simple as that.
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And that's what I did. It was a food product.
It was a food product that was healthier than other muffins,
brownies, cakes, cookies that were out there.
Yeah. And you, it was wonderful that
you had this friend who owned this coffee shop and you were
able to say, you know, I've got I've got this product.
Did you know, how did did she just say, hey, I'll pay XML?
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Or did you just say, I don't know, give you what you need or
how did you know where to price it at that point specifically
because you were so new to this whole world, right?
Well, what I did was I just tookmy ingredient cost, I took my my
time cost and I just said to her, and I asked her, I said,
what do you usually pay for muffins that a bakery delivers?
So that kind of gave me an area of what I could charge.
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And she was really good. She knew that I needed money and
she wasn't going to make me cookbake for her for free because
she was selling it on her side and she would be making her
margins also. So it was basically just kind of
studying the market, like what does the muffin go for and what
do I need to cover some cost andhopefully make a bit of a
margin. And then when I outsource to a
bakery, then your structure changes because now you're doing
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larger volume production. They're getting ingredients at
high like better pricing they have, but then they have to
cover their overhead and their staff.
So they had to make a margin. I did.
And then I needed some marketingmoney to be able to get out
there and promote my product. But what I did for free
advertising, I went when I when that day where the, when the
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bill collector came after that, that's when I kind of realize I
have to do something. And I wrote down on, you know,
the cardboard that's inside pantyhose.
Yes. I couldn't find it.
I couldn't find anything else. I took that and I wrote down
five goals and they were crazy lofty goals.
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And I would say if you're going to write a goal, just reach for
the stars. You know, why do a goal that is
not wow? You know, and I wrote down that
I was going to own my own business.
I was going to be an author of acookbook.
I was going to have a newspaper column.
I was going to have a TV show, and I would bring value to
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people's lives. Those were my goals.
I wrote them down. I hid them because I thought if
someone finds that, they're going to think I'm certifiable
because I really like, you can'teven pay your bills.
You're going to. And within a year, everyone
except one of those goals came true.
Within a year. Within a year.
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Within a year. Yeah.
I I approached the newspaper because I couldn't afford to
advertise. And I said, I'll write a
newspaper column where I take before recipes like unhealthy,
not unhealthy, but more fattening, more sugar, more
calories, And I will make them over like a makeover, you know,
into a healthier version. So I'll do before and after.
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And they said, well, that soundslike a really great idea.
And I've seen that in magazines.So I thought, oh, and I and I
knew how to do that. And so they said, well, you
know, we have a budget, can't afford to pay you.
And I said, well, I'll do it forfree.
I'll write a column every week and you put me in paper and put
my picture and then my muffin. So people would go and buy my
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muffin. So that was free advertising.
And then the article got quite popular.
So then they started to pay me, I think like $50 a week or
something. And that wasn't the reason, it
was the advertising. But so that was how I was able
to make that goal in the first year.
And then writing a book, I took all the recipes I had written
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and I'd worked on and whatever and I put those and those were
culminated into a book. So there is there is my book
also. So, and then owning a business,
well, my muffins, I used to, when I started and when I, I was
told the story when I would get up early in the morning and
winter and I'd be driving down the highway and, you know, it
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was just me and transport trucks, you know, and they would
come up and kind of blind me in my windshield because I was my
mirror. And I used to pretend those were
trucks hauling my product acrossthe country.
So like I visualized and I just got to see it.
You just got to imagine it. You just got to know it's there.
And, and it was fun. It was little games, but they
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were like valid games. And I, like I said, I approached
the, at that time, McDonald's inCanada had regional offices that
could make decisions on products.
Now it's all done nationally. So, but back then and they loved
the product. And so I got it into the
regional office and then it was doing so well.
It was outselling the high fat, well, high calorie muffins.
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So I was out. So head office was able to do
some testing and I competed against Quaker and kept winning
the the focus group testing on my muffins.
So that's how I got into McDonald's.
So it was Bing Ding Dang, like was like the the universe was
just lining up and, and everything.
And I did not get the TV show yet for 30 years.
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Maybe I don't give up easy. And I realized the most
important one of my five goals, the last one was I will bring
value to people's lives. And I, I almost didn't
understand why I wrote that because it really wasn't a
tangible thing, surely wasn't a monetary thing.
But I realized I wrote that because when my husband left and
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I was going through everything and even before that, I didn't
value myself. And I think I thought if I can
bring value to other people's lives, I must value myself, you
know, and that was a very important goal.
And I didn't realize back then Iwas going to be that profound.
It's just like, where'd that come from?
OK, write that down. I need, I need one more slot to
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fill. But it, yeah, it, it really, it
really was, you know, a, a wild ride in life.
It's about, you know, ups and downs and how you react to it.
And, and it's interesting. I'm, I'm married now to my
soulmate. I truly believe I found my
soulmate who married 2022 years.He, you know, and I know I would
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not have met him if my husband had not left me, you know, I
mean now you know, it opened thedoor to new possibilities, you
know, and sometimes bad things happen.
It's opening the door to new possibilities.
I think I can say that anyone isjust leave yourself open to what
the universe might be trying to provide you.
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Go to those meetings, go to those invitations, go and meet
people, go and let people see you because that's when the
networking happens. And just saying, Hey, I know I
like to do graphic design, you know, even might talk to someone
who's going, oh, I'm looking forsomeone.
Or I like to bake or I like to build stuff or I'm good at
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bookkeeping or I'm good at whatever, you know, designing
clothes, you know, sometimes. And, and one thing I learned is,
you know, you can kind of incubate because when you're
suffering and you're down and you don't, you have very little
self esteem. You don't want to get out there,
You know, you don't want to get dressed up and put on the shine,
You know, you just kind of feeling, I'd rather like stay in
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my pajamas. I was going all day and I had
those days. But you have to eventually say,
OK, you need to, you know, I mean, I remember 1 Christmas,
you know, the first Christmas and just not having enough money
for toys and all kinds of stuff.And I remember just getting into
a bathtub and just not wanting to get out, you know, just being
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in that warm water and saying like, I'm just staying here
forever. I don't want to move because you
just, you're afraid, you know, and, and you know, we, it's
amazing how we do, we are survivors.
You said that, you know, you wanted to bring value to
people's lives because you realize you didn't find value in
yourself at the time. And you know, you were dealing
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with extreme heartache, financial troubles, raising your
your children. And you know, the the debt
collectors came, you know, we talked about that.
And then, you know, you have this idea and you move forward
with this idea of, of, of a healthier baking option.
And you know, you're like you said, your background pre
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staying home with your kids. You were a teacher, but that
have been 20 some odd years and but you you put that one foot
forward to say, OK, I have to dosomething about this and I'm
taking this step. And then you get the McDonald's,
which is also fascinating how that happened to when you took
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that step forward. At what point did you realize I
do have value? I am, I am worth doing this.
And then also putting together these skills that you never even
knew that you had, that it's easy for women to say like, oh,
I don't, you know, I have nothing.
I didn't do anything, but you did.
I mean, how did how are you ablealso to say, OK, no, these are
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new skills. I can do this a lot of sorry big
big question for you. Yeah, Yeah.
No, I don't. That's an important question.
I think that we all have skills,we all have.
And skills could be just something we love, something
we'd like to do, something we enjoy doing something that like
for me, all, I always, I always think about food.
And even when I would try to relax at night, I would just
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read cookbooks in bed because that was like, you know, so I
knew that was my, my connection And, and even like, I can't, I,
I think people that can meditatebecause I can't, I try, but
where my meditation is when I'm in the kitchen and I'm, I'm, I'm
cooking because I would say you can't cook and worry at the same
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time because you're in the moment.
You're doing your ingredients, you're, you're thinking about
that without thinking about all the other stuff.
So, so that is, you know, so I think sometimes if you can find
what you like, if you can find something that brings you
pleasure, you know, that's the case, then that might be where
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your where your skill is. That might be where what you're
supposed to do, you know, and it's interesting, we all, we all
have different skills. You know, my mother was saying
if we all like vanilla ice cream, you know, there'd be no
other flavors, You know? So I think that diversity that
we have amongst ourselves is really what makes the world
interesting, but also makes us in a position to be able to
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supply the world with their needs because we all offer
different things. I like that when, because you
you kind of mentioned too, with the distributing to McDonald's,
how how are you able to be introduced to the company then,
because you know, people will hear that your everyday folk
will say, I don't know how this stuff happened.
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Like how did you know to approach whoever need you needed
to approach? Well, it was always the.
Goal to expand the business and in my in my dream or my goal is
when I say own a business, I said to own a business
nationally. Again, dream big.
If you're going to dream like just on, I'm not going to, you
know, why not, right, Why not? And, and as I said, it was
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different back then where McDonald's had regional offices
that could make decisions. Now, yes, it's different.
You would have to go try to get in the door of the head office,
which I would have been very different, different, different
and difficult, you know, so, so it definitely is a matter of
timing. You know, sometimes the, the,
the timing is there and you can take advantage of it.
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And I think, you know, it's a matter of idea, luck and timing
in life. Yeah.
And then you got that. Then you got a chance to be on
Oprah, which is really exciting.How was that for you when you
walked in and seeing this, you know, icon really well, It was
it was amazing. Because I, I'm a great goal
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setter. I just figured just write it
down and see if it sticks. It's amazing.
Once you define, once you definewhat you want, what you're
looking for it it really, it is much a clearer path to get
there. And I remember writing down and
putting on a on a little card that I will be a guest on the
Oprah Winfrey Show. And I carried it in my wallet
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with me all the time. So it was like, you know, I was
tuned into that. And so I used to, you know,
well, I was supplying Subway also after McDonald's.
I supplied Subway with their little fat brownie, which is I
supplied them for about 10 years.
And the Harpo Studios was acrossthe street from a Subway
restaurant and they were sellingmy brownies.
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So her staff would come in to get them because they like them.
And then, you know, my picture was on the point of sale.
So there was is that, you know, connection.
So it's almost like that's how it happened.
But I know to get on the Oprah Winfrey show back then, like
people would, you could send products and I'm sure most of
them didn't even get to her, youknow, so, so that was how I
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ended up getting on the Oprah Winfrey show.
And it's funny because I used totell my friends I'm going to be
on the Oprah Winfrey show. I don't know how I'm going to.
And I remember, I remember getting the call from and the
display said Harpo Studios. And, you know, they said, hi,
this is the Oprah Winfrey Show calling.
And 1st I thought I was like, Ohmy God, my friends are playing a
joke on me. And then I thought, well,
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they've been to a lot of troublebecause Harpo Studios is on the
display like, whoa, they're good.
And yeah. And so they they called, they
loved my story. She loved that story of a woman,
you know, single, unemployed mother, you know, building a
business, getting into these national accounts, Subway,
McDonald's. And, you know, in a few days,
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Oprah and her TV crew were at mydoor and they spent a day with
me filming. They were amazing.
You know, they checked all my references.
They called McDonald's, they called Subway, you know, just to
go and make sure the story is, you know, everything I'm saying
is, is, is lining up. And a few days later they
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blooming out there. It was pretty cool.
They also might they had seats for my family because I know you
have to wait, you have to wait along time to get seats.
But if you're a guest, you had like seats and that.
And I remember flying out there and I get to the airport and
there's a sign, you know, and a stretch limousine.
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I get there, I'm going set for me like whoa.
And the driver and I get in the car and they and take me to the
hotel, which and they said, OK, in the morning, don't put any
makeup on. We'll just pick you up and get
there and they do your makeup. And I was there that same day
that the, the, the show that Donald Trump used to have.
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Remember the what was it? Apprentice Apprentice.
So all The Apprentice staff werethere because they filmed two
shows in one day. They, they record in one day.
So I was there the, all The Apprentice staff was there.
Donald Trump was there. Like it was like this was years
ago before, you know, political ended happening.
But it was quite the experience,you know, for me.
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And the next thing you know, they, we, we filmed the show.
They did my segment and it was life changing because after
that, my customers I was I was trying to reach were now
answering my calls. It was the Oprah blessing, OK,
you know, and it was great. And I'm forever grateful to her
for, for getting for having me on her show because she does
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make final choice. She does, you know, she Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. She does make final choice.
And and so that was truly a giftthat I will that I will always
appreciate. Oh yeah.
I mean just life. Transforming for you well, so
you know because of that and there's been you know,
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transitions you were making great money, you wrote best
selling cookbooks. We talked about that you're CEO
and it's easy for people on the outside to see success and the
huge win and forget that there are tough seasons in
entrepreneur life. And we know that there was
definitely there were tough seasons at the beginning of
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starting this whole career path when you were very successful.
What would you tell yourself in the moments that if you had
moments that made you want to quit or if you were feeling like
giving up, how did you get through those hard moments in
the midst of high success? I was trying to say what?
Would I tell someone? I'd say don't let your husband
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come back. Other than that, yeah.
But I, you know, I think it's just having faith and just, and
just believing that what, what Iwas doing was a really positive
good thing. I've always been a great
proponent of people eating healthy, people improving their
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lifestyle, lifestyle habits, exercise, food.
I know that is what defines our aging, the quality of our aging.
Not only that, but while we're young, it makes us feel better,
look better, more energetic. I mean, there's, it's plus plus
plus, you know, healthy food. And so, so I really believed I
was giving a good message, a good message out there that was
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going to help people. Just like now with my Instagram
account, I really know in my heart I'm giving a good message,
you know, and I'm showing people, you know, that you can
be fit at any age and it's nevertoo late to start, you know, so,
so that to me, I think is what kept me going because I'm going,
you know, I've got an important thing to say here.
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And, and it's something that I think a lot of people need, need
to know. And it is it.
And I think what's nice is people do if you show them what
I found. And here's the thing, because
way back then was like selling something healthy was like, Oh
my God, healthy place. So horrible.
And even when the president of McDonald's got wind of, you
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know, these regional offices trying to bring this healthy
muffin in, you know, and I remember him meeting with me and
he says nausea, He goes, we usedto have a healthy muffin.
It was it was a brand muffin wrapped in cellophane.
And he said, yeah, he said we sold 6 million of them to
6,000,000 different people, which means nobody bought it
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twice. And I said, I think they're
going to buy this twice. And that muffin in Canada is
called Cranberry Orange. It is still on the menu.
It's still the tops of my, I sold it to Quaker.
So, you know, they're good for them.
And I'm happy I did, and good for you and good for me.
But. It was it's still and and So
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what I could prove, and I think this is what, you know, maybe
answer your question. If you can prove that what you
are doing, what you are selling,what you are saying is it, you
know, it's it's true and it works and it helps people.
Doesn't matter. You can compete with the
biggest, you know, like I believe in the David versus
Goliath. When when my muffin was
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outselling theirs at Quaker, youknow, they had more money to
compete more food scientists in their kitchen, but I had my
kitchen. You know, that's where I did my
food science and and but my product kept out selling theirs.
So if you have something, don't be afraid like, Oh my God,
they're bigger and better and all that stuff.
Stay true to what you are and you will, you will like David
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versus Goliath. How did he do it?
Because he was, he had the, he had the belief, the strength of
his will and what he was doing was, was the right thing.
So, so it's, it's always important to don't underestimate
yourself. Don't think, oh, it's never been
done before. What am I, what am I thinking?
And people will tell you that they'll say you're trying to,
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there are no women suppliers getting into McDonald's.
That never happened. And so give it up.
But you can't, you know, don't listen to the naysayers because
you know, that is not what what you're where you're meant to be.
You're supposed to stay true to what you think, believe.
And if you do, it's amazing. It does work.
Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.
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That's wonderful. So flash forward, you have a
very successful career and you're, you know, the hard days
are happening and you're, you'reremembering the purpose and
you're why behind all of this. And so now you've retired and
we've talked about that you decided to start this Instagram
account and it's very age positive, as you said, talking
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about just that you can be fit and work out, eat healthy at any
age. I'm curious to know, did you
have you always had this positive outlook on age or
aging? I I.
I, I really believe that if you take care of yourself, aging can
happen in two ways. It can happen in a real
declining way. And I know I get just got a
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comment today on Instagram from a woman who works in a hospital.
And she says, you know, she sees75 years old, that, you know,
they haven't exercised, they haven't eaten well, they, you
know, maybe smoke, they don't move.
And she says their bodies are declining.
So I know the formula if you apply these lifestyle things.
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And I really investigated and love to read about the Blue Zone
in the world. The Blue Zones are the pockets
in the world. They're all over.
They're not like 1 country. They're like in Italy and even
what part of the US and in Japan.
And so if you Google Blue Zone, and I talked about it on my
website, my website isnajaeatmoveglow.com.
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And they, it's a clear example of people in these pockets
because they move in a lot of these places.
There's a lot of stairs and hills in their villages.
So these older people got to keep climbing, you know, and I
would say once you stop climbingstairs, you stop climbing
stairs, you stop being able to climb stairs, you know, so these
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people, you know, they keep they, they, they, so they're
always moving. They're eating the Mediterranean
diet, so they're not eating processed foods.
They're not sitting, you know, on the couch eating, eating, you
know, high fat, high sodium, high calorie.
We are famous for junk food because you know what, it tastes
so good. The sugar is so addictive and
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it's such a comfort to us. So it becomes where we go to.
We want to feel good, but it it kills us slowly and it ages us,
you know, and that's what another reason why I love
showing people like regardless of your age, if you do this,
this will be the results. If you do that, this will be the
results. You choose which way you want to
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go and it's all doable and you don't have to have a ton of
money. I mean, get out and walk, you
know, I even show on my Instagram where if you don't
have weights, you can't afford to wait.
So I say fill up two water, 2 jugs of water, juice bottles or
milk jugs of plastic. Instead of throwing it out, fill
up with water. Use them as weights.
You know you don't need, you know, you don't need a ton of
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weights to, to work on your, on your muscles.
And also it's really important because when you do exercise
that it helps with osteoporosis,it helps with all the aging
issues that we naturally get. And you know, here's the thing,
there are some things in life. So I don't want to get this
Pollyanna. Like if you eat well, exercise,
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you will live to be forever. You'll live forever.
You'll be great. And, you know, and we're all
going to die someday, but it's how we're going to live until we
die. Are we going to be invalids
until we die for the last 10 years?
Or are we going to be taking care of ourselves and then we
die? You know, that's, that's the
way, the way it goes. But it's really important that
we, when we, when we take care of our, ourselves, though, like
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I said, the quality of our agingis decided by us.
And again, there are things you can't control.
I mean, you can have an accident, you can be in a plane
that goes down, you can have cancer.
Like I had leukemia and for a year, I, it took a year for me
to get my strength back when I had had leukemia.
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But when I was going through chemo, I could barely walk from
my bed to the couch. But I knew that I had to find my
strength again. So those are things you can't
control. But lifestyle, what you eat, how
you exercise, those are things you can control.
And diabetes, you know, juvenilediabetes, you can't control, but
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type 2 diabetes, that's a lifestyle disease.
And it's from what you eat and how you, how you move and there
are way and we know the formula.And that's why on Instagram I
say this is what I do. And it's funny, I don't call
myself an influencer. I guess legally, officially I
am. I call myself a guide, a guide
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to ages living. So I'm just guiding and showing
people. I'm not telling you, I'm not
trying to convince you, I'm not trying to influence you.
I'm just saying I'm your guy. This is what I do.
This is what has helped me and you decide.
And you know, it's only been. Four months and you said you
just seen this extreme growth and people, you know, you
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mentioned the lady commenting ofwho works in the hospital and so
seeing people decline in their health.
What in just this short span that you've been doing this,
have there been some I guess people who've reached out that
you have been inspired by them or that you're excited to see a
potential change of them or kindof what have you seen with with
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everything so far? It is so.
Gratifying I first of all, I, I'd love to study things.
So I will, you know, see what other influencers or people are
doing. But what has been so amazing to
me is getting comments from people or private messages
saying direct messages saying, you know, I, I thought it was
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too late for me to, to, to work out.
But I can see that, you know, ifyou can do it And like, you
know, someone say I'm 52 or I'm 65 and like, Oh my God, you're
75 and you're doing, I can do it.
I had this one girl who was likein her 30s.
She goes, I was so afraid of getting old.
But now I'm not afraid anymore. You know, there's like just
amazing comments that just just feel, I mean, it just makes me
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realize those comments inspire me to keep going.
And, you know, one girl said, you know her, her mother died
and her mother was in her early 70s.
And she says, you know, my mother didn't take care of
herself. She was, she wasn't, no, she
wasn't well, and she passed away.
She goes, but I see what you're doing and I'm going to, I'm
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going to change the way I eat and I'm going to start moving
and walking and I'm going to make sure that I don't end up
like my mother. And I just said, you know, your
mother would be so proud of you to know that's what you're
doing. So those are the things that
just inspire me to keep doing what I'm doing because, you
know, it's, it's, it's funny. I'm, I'm and I'm learning so
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much. I mean, starting, starting
social media at 75. Like I started the account.
I was like, OK, what do we do now?
And like, Oh my God. So my hands like my head hurts.
But, but I figured I'll keep theAlzheimer's away, you know, and,
and what sounds like thinking, thinking, but it's, it's nice
that because, but I think I, youknow, I help plenty people if
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they're going to make a choice, make a choice, because there's
products that I have tried that really helped me.
There's things I've done for my skin like red, like therapy and
think that have really helped myskin with aging.
And so I love to tell people because, you know, instead of
them trying ABC and D, this is what works.
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And it's really interesting, Erica.
It's it's and I can see how influencers hate to turn the
money away because you get moneythrown at you.
I get so many companies with products saying, you know, if
you promote this, you know, you get paid or whatever.
And I turn away 95% of them because they're products I never
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use. And I don't want to go and say,
hey, this is great. And then realize it's something
that is not good for someone. It's not even good for me or I
don't even like it. So I think that's what I've
really learned that I don't care, you know, and I really
think, and it's funny, the good products, the products that I
like, the products that I boughtmyself, I'm not getting
connections with them. And so I'm happy to collaborate
with them because I'm happy to share those information, but I'm
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just going to keep doing what what I think works for me and
just let people know. And if they want to do it,
great. But I'd love setting the
example. Yeah, that's huge.
And it's. Also makes people trust you too.
If you're promoting something just for the paycheck, then, you
know, and probably you're probably like, it's easier to
just say I'm retired, you know, I'm good.
I don't. I don't need you.
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Yeah. Yeah.
What and? And I, I don't think we really,
I mean, we kind of touched it a little bit.
What made you decide to say, yeah, let me just start an
Instagram page and promote positive aging?
Well, you know, it's interesting.
First of all, I was bored because I, I really was, I and I
would wake up in the morning andbefore when I had my company, I
was dealing with supply chain issues and COVID and, and you
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know, Oh my God, like it was, I was, I had a lot of, you know,
like sleepless nights because you're, you're dealing, and then
you're dealing with your investors and people yelling at
you and all that stuff. So I did not miss that at all.
Believe me. It's like, OK, thank you.
Done. But then it was like all went
quiet. It's like, like I'd wake up in
the morning and all I, my only decisions of the day was what I
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was going to make for dinner. That was it.
Maybe I'll shop online. Oh, OK.
And that and I after a while, and I mean, it was, it was nice
to start, but then after a whileI said, what can I do?
And then I remember I love talking about what I do and talk
about, you know, staying healthyand, and looking your best, you
know, as you get older. And then so I, when I started
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that Instagram page, I said, I'll just do that.
I was like, post stuff for fun. And then, and it's funny, my
daughter Veronica, you know, I said, I don't know if anyone's
going to really care. And Veronica said to me, she
goes, well, mom, you know, if they don't, you're just maybe
giving, leaving something for us.
Here's mom as she gets older, you know, just, I don't, you
know, and I said, OK, for the family, all right, we'll do it,
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you know, But I have to say, when things started to grow and
then I, I was up to 85 followersand I thought, okay, baby, baby.
And these were people I didn't know.
They weren't family members. Okay, maybe they like what I'm
doing. And then, and they kind of was
like staying steady there. And I thought, oh, well, maybe
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it's not really what people careabout.
And I remember, and I and I remember kind of feeling down
about it. I thought, OK, we'll just do it
for the family. But I was hoping maybe it would
have been something more of value that people would have
liked. But maybe it wasn't, you know,
And I remember my husband, Doug Kim coming home and he had
flowers for me. I'm going, well, it's not, it's
not my birthday, it's not Christmas.
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And he, you know, and Rothblowers home.
And he said, you know, and he, he said, remember Naja, the
book, your favorite book called Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon
Hill. And the book was written like
100 years ago and it's got thesestories that apply today.
And, and it's a small book and Iencourage anyone to, to read it
and get on Amazon, you know, I think it's 1003 print.
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You know, it's just an amazing book by Napoleon Hill, Think and
grow rich. And there's no stories in there.
And the one story was 2 Feet from Gold.
And it's about these couple of guys, they buy this gold mine
and they're working the gold mine, working the gold mine.
They're not finding any gold they got they're digging and
digging, you know, and finally they say, you know what, we're
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going to sell this, this is dumbidea.
This is never going to work in that.
So they sell it. And then the guy who buys it in
two feet, he finds gold. And my husband said, remember
that book 2 feet from Gold and said, keep doing what you're
doing, you know? And I thought, yeah, OK.
And I did. And then like all the sudden
just one of my one of my reels, I mean, my reels are getting
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millions of views. One has 3 million views, 100,000
likes and going from family to 85 followers.
And then like this happening. So, so yeah.
So sometimes, you know, don't give up.
You know, if you don't, if you really feel what you're doing is
important to you and and and important to others, don't give
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up. Don't give up because you're you
may be you may be two feet from gold.
Yeah, like that. I'm gonna have to.
Check that, check that book out.Great book and how sweet of your
husband too. Also, by the way, for the
listeners, if they're not watching and they're just
listening you, I mean, we'll putyour your social media handle on
on the show notes. But Naja, you and your husband
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are just adorable and you're so delightful.
I mean, I just, I've really, I have just enjoyed this
conversation and just your overall spirit about you.
It's just, it's just very kind and it's just, this has just
been really enjoyable. Well, Naja, we're getting close
to the end of our time. Absolutely.
And so I want to ask you my lastquestion.
And this is a question I ask allof my guests.
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And you have thrown a bunch of Nuggets that could fit under
this question, but I'd love to just hear any final thoughts.
So if you could encourage one woman who does feel blocked or
limited to pursue a dream or a goal based on her age or a life
circumstance, and you've had both, what would you say to her?
I would say. To her, don't let that what is
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happening to you define where you're going to go because like
I said, everyone has issues, problems.
I mean, that's just life, isn't it?
And how do you react to them? That old saying is like, how do
you react to what's happening toyou?
And that's a really important thing.
And sometimes when those things happen, those tough things, like
I said, losing that job or that relationship or whatever you
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have to say is, is the universe pointing me in another
direction. And don't underestimate
yourself. Just realize that, you know, if
you're going to dream, dream really big and take that chance.
Because if you don't, you might think, you know, I would have,
could have, should have. And age, again, as I say on my
Instagram, age is just a number.It really should not stop us or
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define us or block us. And yes, women do not have an
expiry date. And it makes me crazy when
people say, you know, when I'm posting it.
And generally I have the nicest people, but I do have a few
haters. And my girlfriend who is who is
an Instagrammer, she goes, you know what you're doing well, and
you got haters. So you know, and people will
say, well, you know, you are old.
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You're 75 S act your age. And I'm thinking, well, who told
who? Who, who decided 75 is old?
I didn't get the memo. So, you know, so I think you,
you just have to overlook your circumstances and overlook your,
your, your age. And other thing I say is
whatever you do in life. And, and I think about this
every time I do a post or something on Instagram, I always
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say, what will my daughter and son think of this?
Even though they're adults, my, my children are in their 40s,
late 40s. So, but they're still my
children, right? And, and so that's why, you
know, I know in Instagram, you know, they're the, you know, you
get the woman my age wearing bikinis, which is fine.
And I'm not. And I think if that makes me
feel good, that is their right. And I totally accept that.
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But for me, there's things that when I, when I'm going to wear
something or I'm going to do something, I say, well, my, my
children think of this. And I think it's because I was a
single mother and raising my children.
So I was always aware of I am their prime example.
I am their prime mentor. And that put me in a real
position of responsibility. But I also feel with my
followers, I'm in a position of responsibility because I'm, I'm,
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I'm giving them ideas and showing them things.
So I have a responsibility to them that I'm giving them things
that that will help them, not hinder them.
Yes, yes. Absolutely.
Oh, Naja, you said something tooin that.
I don't remember what it was. I was going to try to repeat
that. I just when I go back and edit
it, I'll say, oh, that's what itwas and I'll have to message you
and say this is what you said. Naja that just was really just
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hit hit me to struck a chord with me a good a good chord.
But if you'll go ahead and Nadjaand if you'll just share where
people can find you, we'd love to to have them see you.
No, thank you. I'm.
Nadja NADJA eatmooglow on Instagram and my website
isnadjaeatmooglow.com. So happy to.
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And on my website, I'm now goingto be doing full length exercise
videos because on Instagram you're only allowed a maximum of
three minutes, as you know, so, so it doesn't in recipes.
I have to like sometimes Fast forward things so I can do
things a little longer, do full length exercise videos and just
put all my information on how I exercise, when I exercise, what
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I do. I would say to people, I'm not a
bodybuilder. I'm not looking to bulk up.
I just want to be able to wear sleeveless dresses.
Are you going to post them on onYouTube as well or just just
yeah, yeah, we just started. So, you know, I'm I just
learned, you know, all the, you know, the do's and don'ts of
Instagram. As you know, there's YouTube
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that we just I just signed on tothat and then I'm going to
probably do TikTok. I think that seems to be another
Ave. So learning, learning, doing
stuff and hopefully I can just keep sharing more more
information. Oh, I've I've loved what I've.
Been seeing so far, OK, this is what this is what you said.
So that you know, somebody reached out and said act your
age, you know, you're 75, act your age.
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And I'm thinking, you know, you'll hear that all the time
for whatever age that may be. And then, you know, I'm just
thinking like the things that you're doing, you are a 75 year
old woman. I had, I read on, I guess it was
threads or something that somebody said, you know, 4040 is
the new 20s. And I had interviewed a woman a
while ago who she was in her late 60s and she said, I'm not
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in my 40s. I'm not in my 50s.
I am 68 years old and that's OK and 40s.
And so I responded to the, the comment about the, because I'm,
I'm in my early 40s. And so my comment was 40 is 40.
And we should be so thankful that we get to have these years
and, and what we're getting to experience.
I don't know. I said something else too, but
it's like, no, we're not going back.
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We are here where we are. We need to show other people
that, hey, it's OK to be be the age you are and let's embrace it
and celebrate it and enjoy the life that we're given.
Absolutely. And you know I.
Say that at 75, you know, whether you're 75 or 65 or 85,
your best years should be ahead of you.
You know, you should not look atthem as like, oh, I'm on, I'm on
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the downside now, Now that I mean, you can really have a
beautiful life then. And you know, I look at, and
I'll just finish off by saying, you know, I've been on this
planet for 3/4 of a century. God willing, I'll have another
quarter of a century to be on here.
But when when I cross those pearly gates, I'm not going to
be in a Walker. I'm going to be wearing high
heels. I love that.
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That's wonderful. Well, Nadja, thank you so much.
This was such a treat. I really enjoyed our time
together. So thank you for joining me
today on the More Than Your Age podcast.
Thank you, Eric. It was a great.
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Naja Piatka. Welcome to the More Than Your
Age podcast. Thank you, Erica.
So happy to be here. I am so happy to have you.
I love just at the time of our, our current recording, we
connected via Instagram. I guess it was just a week ago
and I loved what I saw. And so I'll just share a little
bit for the listeners. You are a 75 year old woman
sharing your life and how you were taking care of yourself
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through exercise, diet and lifestyle.
You are proving to everyone thatlife continues and on and it
looks incredible at 75. I'm so glad that you were doing
this. I mean, seriously, I just saw it
and I was like, yes, yes, yes. And then, you know, you respond
to bag. And then I thought, wait, I need
to hear your life's. Yeah, I need to hear your story.
Why are you so positive about all this?
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So I, I saw your page and, you know, everything looks great.
And then when I asked you to be an, you know, to be a guest on
the, the podcast, I didn't know your whole resume when you said
yes. And then I thought, OK, well,
let me take a look more about her.
And then I saw your whole resumeof your your career.
And I thought, wow, not just even more of a woman who fits
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into this qualification of beingmore than her age.
And so I'm just very, very thankful to have you share
because it's going to resonate with the listeners and help the
listeners as well. So I do we will talk about kind
of where you are now, but we're going to go a little bit to the
to the beginning. So something that when I watched
your your Oprah video. So for the listeners, nachos on
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Oprah. So that's a big fun thing to
claim you. Yeah, that's fascinating.
So you were married to a dentista long time ago and you were a
stay at home mom. You stayed home and didn't work
outside of the home until one day you left.
So what happened? Well, you know, I was married
for just under 20 years and I I had, we have two young children
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and you know, if, if it wasn't agreat marriage, but it was what
I knew, it was the life. I knew I never had to worry
about money and I, you know, just was sort of accepting the
way things were. And yes, he, you know, met an
actress slash model and came home one day and said that he
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was leaving and he had gone through at the same time of
bankruptcy. So he moved to the other part of
the country where his girlfriendwas.
And I was left with the house that was being repossessed, the
cars that were being taken and the bill collectors at the door.
And I was a teacher by trade when we first got married, but
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that was like 20 years before that.
So trying to get back into the teaching career, I was very
outdated and I couldn't find work and, you know, had to move
into a house where when the moving man pulled up, he said to
my girlfriend that went ahead with the moving van.
Moving van seller goes, I'm not going to load the truck.
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I think we got the wrong address.
And then she goes, no, you got the right address.
So. So yeah, things changed.
And it's interesting, you know, when in sometimes the toughest
days, you find out there is a reason and it puts you on a path
of maybe where you're supposed to go.
You know, I look back and I say,you know, he did me a favor
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because I redefined myself. I I found my strength.
You know, I used to be a gosh and golly, please and thank your
wife. And then I had two children.
I had bill collectors at the door.
I had to find work. I had to provide for them.
And I think it just I found an inner strength that I didn't
think I had. And and it's interesting.
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People say, did he want to come back?
And yeah, he did want to come back.
And I, I said, no, I like the new person I am.
I, I don't want to be that person.
I, I like who I am now. And, and so it, it, it changed
my life. And, and I think, you know what
I love to tell them because, youknow, say, everybody goes
through tough times, everybody goes through losses, everybody
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goes through situations. They wonder like, why is this
happening to me? And I think you have to, you
know, I learned two things, you know, losing, you know, like our
fancy house and all that. I lost some of my fancy friends,
too because. Yeah.
So I couldn't afford to keep up.And I call that thing of the
herd, which is OK. But I learned, you know, don't
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ever love anything. They can't love you back.
And homes and possessions are things.
And I learned that, you know, there were more important
things. And sometimes the world just
just put you on a new path. And I think that's the one thing
I find women are very resilient.And we do, you know, we are, we
have such amazing coping skills that, you know, we can we can
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not only achieve and provide anddo things.
And you know, let's face it, I'mnot going to say I wasn't in a
fetal position for a while, but you know, you want to kind of.
And, and what was the breaking point for me was when the bill
collector used to come when I, when we moved in, when we moved
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into the little house, but the bill collector would come there
because there was still money owed.
And I used to hide under the table, which was just under the
under a window. So when he looked in the
windows, and yes, they do look in the windows, but I would just
hide under there. And then they think no one's
home and they go away. But one day my daughter Veronica
was home from school and she was, she came home for lunch and
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I made her hide under the table with me.
And I remember, you know, we're on our hands and knees, you
know, nose to nose and, and he'syelling deadbeat and, and Ron is
going, Mommy, mommy, I, I have to go to school.
I have to go. And I said, no, no, no, you guys
stay here till he goes away. And, you know, and I remember
saying to her, you know, Ronica,one day we're going to laugh
about this. It was so that was the, the
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moment that turned things just made me realize that I, I, I
don't want to be in this position anymore.
I couldn't find work, as I said,because I was unqualified.
I couldn't even turn on a computer.
I just, I knew so little. And so I started doing what I
knew. And that was, you know, baking.
I love to bake. I always loved, I always was
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interested in food. My parents owned a restaurant.
We lived above a restaurant. We also had a grocery store
before that. You know, I thought all children
put an egg print on when they came home from school.
This was just, you know, just our world.
And it was wonderful. You know, we had lots of food
and we didn't, we didn't have a lot of money, but we had so much
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bounty, you know, so much to be grateful for.
And I love the food business. And my mother even said to me
when I was little, she said nausea.
There's some people who just have a connection to food and I
really think I did because my two other sisters, you couldn't
find them after school. So, so it was, you know, so I
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pulled on to that. I thought, you know, I love
making healthy food. That was something that because
I had a weight problem when I was younger and I, I started to
learn how to eat better. And so I started baking and
waking up at 4:00 in the morningto, you know, make muffins and I
would sell them to coffee shops in our, I lived in Edmonton, AB,
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Canada that time. And in the middle of the winter
getting in my car and, and selling to coffee shops and I, I
was making healthy muffins and they were selling off the tray.
And yeah, so that's when, when people were looking to eat
healthy, but healthy didn't taste good.
Now healthy does taste good, taste better than it did back
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then. Healthy tastes like cardboard
back then. But I was able to create things
that I believed in, that I loved.
And you know, that led to me outsourcing.
So I wasn't getting up in the morning and baking.
I went to a little bakery, had them sign a confidentiality
agreement, which I could not afford lawyers.
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So I took an old aerobics waiverand just whited out some words
so they couldn't steal my recipes and, and they made my
products. And then I went out and started
to mark and sell, expand the places that we could sell these
products because they were, theycould deliver for me.
And that's how I got into the McDonald's business by
approaching them. That was hard because healthy
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was not big on their menu. They it was important, but it
wasn't anything they felt could sell because it never tasted
good, except my product did. So, yeah.
So it was a, it was quite the journey, a lot of ups and downs,
but I think having two children and, and, and I did not have
alimony. I had child support, not a lot,
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but I had child support, but no alimony for myself.
So that was, you know, another reason why I had to, I had to
find some work to do, but I found such joy in the clicking
that, you know, it's amazing when you find joy in what you're
doing. I was telling people, don't
follow the money, let the money follow you, which means if you
love what you're doing, that abundance will happen.
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But you can't do something just because, oh, I'm good.
It's just for the money. I mean, you can, but if that's
that might not be your purpose, that might not be your passion.
That might be your need at the time.
And believe me, if I had a foundwork, I would have taken it.
And I I used to pray at night and I used to say, you know,
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Lord, if I could just find a job, my worries would be over
and I could not find work. And it put me on a another pass
because if I had of I certainly would have taken that because I
would have at least had money coming in.
But I, I, I share a story. Oh, I had, I got one interview.
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I mean, I had the worst resume in the world.
Have you ever. When's the last time you were 22
years ago? OK.
Do you know a computer? I think I can open one.
I'm not sure if I can turn it on.
I mean, like I was just so bad. Oh my God, I wonder, I don't
even know how I ended up even wanting to show up for this
interview, but I did, I did showup and you can tell when you're
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when you're not doing well interview until the person's
expression, you know, and, but Iwas so desperate.
So I kept talking and like, and,and I remember and I saw I tell
people because a take away for everyone who's listening.
Do not cry during an interview. It doesn't work.
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So Needless to say, I had to do other things.
And I'm such a believer in in purpose.
I'm such a believer in where sometimes you're pushed or
nudged into other places. You know, people sometimes
wonder, you know, why did I, whydid not I not get that job?
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Why did not, why did that relationship not work?
Why did that person leave me? Why did this happen?
Because we do have things that happen to us.
And sometimes we think like, whyis this?
And when things happen, bad things happen to you.
Believe me, you think you're theonly one because it's like such
a solitary awful thing. And what I learned was, you
know, sometimes there's a reasonand the universe is, is just
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telling you this is not where you're supposed to be or what
you're supposed to do. And yeah, I it's been even
retiring now at 75. And I discovered I'm not good at
retiring. I don't play golf.
There goes my, there goes my day.
And I love my friends who playedgolf, but they're good at it.
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So I have to share my my can I share my my golf story with you?
Sure. OK, so I went out with the golf
coach because I thought it you know, would now them retire it'd
be nice to play golf. And so is my first lesson and I
hit 75 and the golf and I said to my golf instructor what do we
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do now? And he said, we go to the 2nd
hole. Just kidding.
That's how bad I was. So, and again, I, I turned back
to, you know, just what do I find joy in?
And I find joy in, in like sharing things.
You know, that good feeling likewhen you tell someone about a
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good restaurant and they go and they go, that was a great meal.
And you kind of get this feelingyou're not getting anything
monetary from it, but you just feel good.
Or you tell someone, oh, you should watch this movie or you
should watch this this TV seriesand they go, Oh, I watched it
was so good. And you just feel really, you
just feel good. And this Instagram account that
I started just over four months ago.
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I just started it because I thought, you know, I feel like
I'm kind of bored. What could I do?
But I love sharing things that have helped me along my life,
whether it's do my health or other things.
I just thought I'm just going todo an Instagram and just put out
there everything that has helpedme just put it out there and
wasn't even just didn't even think I would have the response
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I did. And when I first started, I had
like family. I'm going, would you like follow
me just so I've got a couple people up there and then all of
a sudden more and more people because and they were saying, I
like what you're saying. You know, I can do this.
It's real. And then, you know, now I'm
getting over 10,000 followers a week.
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Oh my gosh, yeah. And it's growing and growing and
all. And it's just the simplicity of
just saying, I just want to tellyou what I do, what helps me and
that is as simple as that. So I'm having such joy in what
I'm doing. And I figured at 75 I hope I can
do this like for another 10 years 95 year old or or the 85
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year old doing exercise. Oh, I believe it.
Well, OK, so Nadja, I want to go, I want to kind of go back a
little bit some more to some of your story because I'm I'm like,
Oh my goodness. I have so many questions from
from kind of the beginning. So I'm curious to know when
after your ex-husband told you he was leaving and you there was
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a moment, you know, you were living in this very nice house
and then you with your children,you moved to the smaller home.
And then you said the debt collector came banging on the
door and you looked at your daughter and you said, you know,
one day we're going to laugh about this.
How much time had happened from initiation to wake up call of OK
I got to figure something out. Well, the moving from the big
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house to the little house was the, you know, was that first
transition in lifestyle and, youknow, and that was traumatic.
I mean, it wasn't traumatic because I was moving out of the
big house. It was traumatic because I had I
had furniture that went from a big home to a little house.
So like, where do I put this in?I was like giving the the giving
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the guys that were moving, moving me like first just want
to take this like I'm going to play.
So, you know, and then, and thenjust realizing like, you know,
when, like when my son walked inthe house, he goes, mom, are,
are my friends going to laugh atme when they see where I live
now? You know, so you know, the
reality that we weren't where we, we, we, we used to be.
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And then on top of that, we, youknow, we lost her.
I mean, our dog, we couldn't find her dog when we're moving
because you know, with the goinginto the houses and you know,
and open doors and like we get to the new house and the dog was
in the car and then he's not andthe kids are crying and like,
I'm like, just, well, it ended up the dog had we went back to
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the other house. We thought, oh, maybe he went
there, but he wasn't there, but he ended up jumping into like
the sunroof of my car and just sleeping in there because he he
didn't like the new house either, clearly.
So all right, so that was, that was such a tough day and it is
so funny. My mother came to help me and I
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really was really, I was really putting it together.
And I remember I couldn't find acoffee.
I needed a cup of coffee and, and I couldn't find my mug that
I liked. And I remember just breaking
down and sobbing. And your mother's going, we'll
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get more coffee. And it wasn't the coffee.
It was like just the last straw,like just, Oh my God, I cannot
do this. So, you know, so that was so
moved into the house. I was trying to find work.
It was quite a few months. The bill collectors, you know,
were, were, were coming after usand, and so that's when so it
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was a few months after that where I started to bake and
saying, well, I'll do this, you know, see if and if it's a
friend of mine, she had a small coffee shop.
So I went to her and I think no,can I make these muffins and
just see if that was back when you didn't need like the, the
the the kitchen, the qualified kitchen to to look.
She had a little coffee shop. I had a little kitchen.
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She goes, well, bring them in. They were selling off the tray.
And that's when I realized I think I have something that has
value. And it's interesting the
definition of an entrepreneur. And I did not make this up, but
but it's a great definition. And I think it's something that
a lot of people can apply to it if they are entrepreneurs or
would be entrepreneurs, is an entrepreneur is someone who
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creates something out of nothingand translates it into something
of value that other people want.It could be anything, could be
gadget, it could be a food, it could be something that people
not want. But you, that's what an
entrepreneur does. He creates something out of
nothing and translates it into something of value that other
people want. And it was as simple as that.
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And that's what I did. It was a food product.
It was a food product that was healthier than other muffins,
brownies, cakes, cookies that were out there.
Yeah. And you, it was wonderful that
you had this friend who owned this coffee shop and you were
able to say, you know, I've got I've got this product.
Did you know, how did did she just say, hey, I'll pay XML?
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Or did you just say, I don't know, give you what you need or
how did you know where to price it at that point specifically
because you were so new to this whole world, right?
Well, what I did was I just tookmy ingredient cost, I took my my
time cost and I just said to her, and I asked her, I said,
what do you usually pay for muffins that a bakery delivers?
So that kind of gave me an area of what I could charge.
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And she was really good. She knew that I needed money and
she wasn't going to make me cookbake for her for free because
she was selling it on her side and she would be making her
margins also. So it was basically just kind of
studying the market, like what does the muffin go for and what
do I need to cover some cost andhopefully make a bit of a
margin. And then when I outsource to a
bakery, then your structure changes because now you're doing
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larger volume production. They're getting ingredients at
high like better pricing they have, but then they have to
cover their overhead and their staff.
So they had to make a margin. I did.
And then I needed some marketingmoney to be able to get out
there and promote my product. But what I did for free
advertising, I went when I when that day where the, when the
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bill collector came after that, that's when I kind of realize I
have to do something. And I wrote down on, you know,
the cardboard that's inside pantyhose.
Yes. I couldn't find it.
I couldn't find anything else. I took that and I wrote down
five goals and they were crazy lofty goals.
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And I would say if you're going to write a goal, just reach for
the stars. You know, why do a goal that is
not wow? You know, and I wrote down that
I was going to own my own business.
I was going to be an author of acookbook.
I was going to have a newspaper column.
I was going to have a TV show, and I would bring value to
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people's lives. Those were my goals.
I wrote them down. I hid them because I thought if
someone finds that, they're going to think I'm certifiable
because I really like, you can'teven pay your bills.
You're going to. And within a year, everyone
except one of those goals came true.
Within a year. Within a year.
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Within a year. Yeah.
I I approached the newspaper because I couldn't afford to
advertise. And I said, I'll write a
newspaper column where I take before recipes like unhealthy,
not unhealthy, but more fattening, more sugar, more
calories, And I will make them over like a makeover, you know,
into a healthier version. So I'll do before and after.
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And they said, well, that soundslike a really great idea.
And I've seen that in magazines.So I thought, oh, and I and I
knew how to do that. And so they said, well, you
know, we have a budget, can't afford to pay you.
And I said, well, I'll do it forfree.
I'll write a column every week and you put me in paper and put
my picture and then my muffin. So people would go and buy my
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muffin. So that was free advertising.
And then the article got quite popular.
So then they started to pay me, I think like $50 a week or
something. And that wasn't the reason, it
was the advertising. But so that was how I was able
to make that goal in the first year.
And then writing a book, I took all the recipes I had written
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and I'd worked on and whatever and I put those and those were
culminated into a book. So there is there is my book
also. So, and then owning a business,
well, my muffins, I used to, when I started and when I, I was
told the story when I would get up early in the morning and
winter and I'd be driving down the highway and, you know, it
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was just me and transport trucks, you know, and they would
come up and kind of blind me in my windshield because I was my
mirror. And I used to pretend those were
trucks hauling my product acrossthe country.
So like I visualized and I just got to see it.
You just got to imagine it. You just got to know it's there.
And, and it was fun. It was little games, but they
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were like valid games. And I, like I said, I approached
the, at that time, McDonald's inCanada had regional offices that
could make decisions on products.
Now it's all done nationally. So, but back then and they loved
the product. And so I got it into the
regional office and then it was doing so well.
It was outselling the high fat, well, high calorie muffins.
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So I was out. So head office was able to do
some testing and I competed against Quaker and kept winning
the the focus group testing on my muffins.
So that's how I got into McDonald's.
So it was Bing Ding Dang, like was like the the universe was
just lining up and, and everything.
And I did not get the TV show yet for 30 years.
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Maybe I don't give up easy. And I realized the most
important one of my five goals, the last one was I will bring
value to people's lives. And I, I almost didn't
understand why I wrote that because it really wasn't a
tangible thing, surely wasn't a monetary thing.
But I realized I wrote that because when my husband left and
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I was going through everything and even before that, I didn't
value myself. And I think I thought if I can
bring value to other people's lives, I must value myself, you
know, and that was a very important goal.
And I didn't realize back then Iwas going to be that profound.
It's just like, where'd that come from?
OK, write that down. I need, I need one more slot to
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fill. But it, yeah, it, it really, it
really was, you know, a, a wild ride in life.
It's about, you know, ups and downs and how you react to it.
And, and it's interesting. I'm, I'm married now to my
soulmate. I truly believe I found my
soulmate who married 2022 years.He, you know, and I know I would
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not have met him if my husband had not left me, you know, I
mean now you know, it opened thedoor to new possibilities, you
know, and sometimes bad things happen.
It's opening the door to new possibilities.
I think I can say that anyone isjust leave yourself open to what
the universe might be trying to provide you.
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Go to those meetings, go to those invitations, go and meet
people, go and let people see you because that's when the
networking happens. And just saying, Hey, I know I
like to do graphic design, you know, even might talk to someone
who's going, oh, I'm looking forsomeone.
Or I like to bake or I like to build stuff or I'm good at
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bookkeeping or I'm good at whatever, you know, designing
clothes, you know, sometimes. And, and one thing I learned is,
you know, you can kind of incubate because when you're
suffering and you're down and you don't, you have very little
self esteem. You don't want to get out there,
You know, you don't want to get dressed up and put on the shine,
You know, you just kind of feeling, I'd rather like stay in
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my pajamas. I was going all day and I had
those days. But you have to eventually say,
OK, you need to, you know, I mean, I remember 1 Christmas,
you know, the first Christmas and just not having enough money
for toys and all kinds of stuff.And I remember just getting into
a bathtub and just not wanting to get out, you know, just being
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in that warm water and saying like, I'm just staying here
forever. I don't want to move because you
just, you're afraid, you know, and, and you know, we, it's
amazing how we do, we are survivors.
You said that, you know, you wanted to bring value to
people's lives because you realize you didn't find value in
yourself at the time. And you know, you were dealing
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with extreme heartache, financial troubles, raising your
your children. And you know, the the debt
collectors came, you know, we talked about that.
And then, you know, you have this idea and you move forward
with this idea of, of, of a healthier baking option.
And you know, you're like you said, your background pre
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staying home with your kids. You were a teacher, but that
have been 20 some odd years and but you you put that one foot
forward to say, OK, I have to dosomething about this and I'm
taking this step. And then you get the McDonald's,
which is also fascinating how that happened to when you took
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that step forward. At what point did you realize I
do have value? I am, I am worth doing this.
And then also putting together these skills that you never even
knew that you had, that it's easy for women to say like, oh,
I don't, you know, I have nothing.
I didn't do anything, but you did.
I mean, how did how are you ablealso to say, OK, no, these are
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new skills. I can do this a lot of sorry big
big question for you. Yeah, Yeah.
No, I don't. That's an important question.
I think that we all have skills,we all have.
And skills could be just something we love, something
we'd like to do, something we enjoy doing something that like
for me, all, I always, I always think about food.
And even when I would try to relax at night, I would just
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read cookbooks in bed because that was like, you know, so I
knew that was my, my connection And, and even like, I can't, I,
I think people that can meditatebecause I can't, I try, but
where my meditation is when I'm in the kitchen and I'm, I'm, I'm
cooking because I would say you can't cook and worry at the same
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time because you're in the moment.
You're doing your ingredients, you're, you're thinking about
that without thinking about all the other stuff.
So, so that is, you know, so I think sometimes if you can find
what you like, if you can find something that brings you
pleasure, you know, that's the case, then that might be where
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your where your skill is. That might be where what you're
supposed to do, you know, and it's interesting, we all, we all
have different skills. You know, my mother was saying
if we all like vanilla ice cream, you know, there'd be no
other flavors, You know? So I think that diversity that
we have amongst ourselves is really what makes the world
interesting, but also makes us in a position to be able to
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supply the world with their needs because we all offer
different things. I like that when, because you
you kind of mentioned too, with the distributing to McDonald's,
how how are you able to be introduced to the company then,
because you know, people will hear that your everyday folk
will say, I don't know how this stuff happened.
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Like how did you know to approach whoever need you needed
to approach? Well, it was always the.
Goal to expand the business and in my in my dream or my goal is
when I say own a business, I said to own a business
nationally. Again, dream big.
If you're going to dream like just on, I'm not going to, you
know, why not, right, Why not? And, and as I said, it was
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different back then where McDonald's had regional offices
that could make decisions. Now, yes, it's different.
You would have to go try to get in the door of the head office,
which I would have been very different, different, different
and difficult, you know, so, so it definitely is a matter of
timing. You know, sometimes the, the,
the timing is there and you can take advantage of it.
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And I think, you know, it's a matter of idea, luck and timing
in life. Yeah.
And then you got that. Then you got a chance to be on
Oprah, which is really exciting.How was that for you when you
walked in and seeing this, you know, icon really well, It was
it was amazing. Because I, I'm a great goal
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setter. I just figured just write it
down and see if it sticks. It's amazing.
Once you define, once you definewhat you want, what you're
looking for it it really, it is much a clearer path to get
there. And I remember writing down and
putting on a on a little card that I will be a guest on the
Oprah Winfrey Show. And I carried it in my wallet
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with me all the time. So it was like, you know, I was
tuned into that. And so I used to, you know,
well, I was supplying Subway also after McDonald's.
I supplied Subway with their little fat brownie, which is I
supplied them for about 10 years.
And the Harpo Studios was acrossthe street from a Subway
restaurant and they were sellingmy brownies.
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So her staff would come in to get them because they like them.
And then, you know, my picture was on the point of sale.
So there was is that, you know, connection.
So it's almost like that's how it happened.
But I know to get on the Oprah Winfrey show back then, like
people would, you could send products and I'm sure most of
them didn't even get to her, youknow, so, so that was how I
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ended up getting on the Oprah Winfrey show.
And it's funny because I used totell my friends I'm going to be
on the Oprah Winfrey show. I don't know how I'm going to.
And I remember, I remember getting the call from and the
display said Harpo Studios. And, you know, they said, hi,
this is the Oprah Winfrey Show calling.
And 1st I thought I was like, Ohmy God, my friends are playing a
joke on me. And then I thought, well,
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they've been to a lot of troublebecause Harpo Studios is on the
display like, whoa, they're good.
And yeah. And so they they called, they
loved my story. She loved that story of a woman,
you know, single, unemployed mother, you know, building a
business, getting into these national accounts, Subway,
McDonald's. And, you know, in a few days,
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Oprah and her TV crew were at mydoor and they spent a day with
me filming. They were amazing.
You know, they checked all my references.
They called McDonald's, they called Subway, you know, just to
go and make sure the story is, you know, everything I'm saying
is, is, is lining up. And a few days later they
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blooming out there. It was pretty cool.
They also might they had seats for my family because I know you
have to wait, you have to wait along time to get seats.
But if you're a guest, you had like seats and that.
And I remember flying out there and I get to the airport and
there's a sign, you know, and a stretch limousine.
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I get there, I'm going set for me like whoa.
And the driver and I get in the car and they and take me to the
hotel, which and they said, OK, in the morning, don't put any
makeup on. We'll just pick you up and get
there and they do your makeup. And I was there that same day
that the, the, the show that Donald Trump used to have.
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Remember the what was it? Apprentice Apprentice.
So all The Apprentice staff werethere because they filmed two
shows in one day. They, they record in one day.
So I was there the, all The Apprentice staff was there.
Donald Trump was there. Like it was like this was years
ago before, you know, political ended happening.
But it was quite the experience,you know, for me.
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And the next thing you know, they, we, we filmed the show.
They did my segment and it was life changing because after
that, my customers I was I was trying to reach were now
answering my calls. It was the Oprah blessing, OK,
you know, and it was great. And I'm forever grateful to her
for, for getting for having me on her show because she does
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make final choice. She does, you know, she Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. She does make final choice.
And and so that was truly a giftthat I will that I will always
appreciate. Oh yeah.
I mean just life. Transforming for you well, so
you know because of that and there's been you know,
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transitions you were making great money, you wrote best
selling cookbooks. We talked about that you're CEO
and it's easy for people on the outside to see success and the
huge win and forget that there are tough seasons in
entrepreneur life. And we know that there was
definitely there were tough seasons at the beginning of
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starting this whole career path when you were very successful.
What would you tell yourself in the moments that if you had
moments that made you want to quit or if you were feeling like
giving up, how did you get through those hard moments in
the midst of high success? I was trying to say what?
Would I tell someone? I'd say don't let your husband
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come back. Other than that, yeah.
But I, you know, I think it's just having faith and just, and
just believing that what, what Iwas doing was a really positive
good thing. I've always been a great
proponent of people eating healthy, people improving their
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lifestyle, lifestyle habits, exercise, food.
I know that is what defines our aging, the quality of our aging.
Not only that, but while we're young, it makes us feel better,
look better, more energetic. I mean, there's, it's plus plus
plus, you know, healthy food. And so, so I really believed I
was giving a good message, a good message out there that was
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going to help people. Just like now with my Instagram
account, I really know in my heart I'm giving a good message,
you know, and I'm showing people, you know, that you can
be fit at any age and it's nevertoo late to start, you know, so,
so that to me, I think is what kept me going because I'm going,
you know, I've got an important thing to say here.
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And, and it's something that I think a lot of people need, need
to know. And it is it.
And I think what's nice is people do if you show them what
I found. And here's the thing, because
way back then was like selling something healthy was like, Oh
my God, healthy place. So horrible.
And even when the president of McDonald's got wind of, you
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know, these regional offices trying to bring this healthy
muffin in, you know, and I remember him meeting with me and
he says nausea, He goes, we usedto have a healthy muffin.
It was it was a brand muffin wrapped in cellophane.
And he said, yeah, he said we sold 6 million of them to
6,000,000 different people, which means nobody bought it
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twice. And I said, I think they're
going to buy this twice. And that muffin in Canada is
called Cranberry Orange. It is still on the menu.
It's still the tops of my, I sold it to Quaker.
So, you know, they're good for them.
And I'm happy I did, and good for you and good for me.
But. It was it's still and and So
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what I could prove, and I think this is what, you know, maybe
answer your question. If you can prove that what you
are doing, what you are selling,what you are saying is it, you
know, it's it's true and it works and it helps people.
Doesn't matter. You can compete with the
biggest, you know, like I believe in the David versus
Goliath. When when my muffin was
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outselling theirs at Quaker, youknow, they had more money to
compete more food scientists in their kitchen, but I had my
kitchen. You know, that's where I did my
food science and and but my product kept out selling theirs.
So if you have something, don't be afraid like, Oh my God,
they're bigger and better and all that stuff.
Stay true to what you are and you will, you will like David
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versus Goliath. How did he do it?
Because he was, he had the, he had the belief, the strength of
his will and what he was doing was, was the right thing.
So, so it's, it's always important to don't underestimate
yourself. Don't think, oh, it's never been
done before. What am I, what am I thinking?
And people will tell you that they'll say you're trying to,
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there are no women suppliers getting into McDonald's.
That never happened. And so give it up.
But you can't, you know, don't listen to the naysayers because
you know, that is not what what you're where you're meant to be.
You're supposed to stay true to what you think, believe.
And if you do, it's amazing. It does work.
Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.
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That's wonderful. So flash forward, you have a
very successful career and you're, you know, the hard days
are happening and you're, you'reremembering the purpose and
you're why behind all of this. And so now you've retired and
we've talked about that you decided to start this Instagram
account and it's very age positive, as you said, talking
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about just that you can be fit and work out, eat healthy at any
age. I'm curious to know, did you
have you always had this positive outlook on age or
aging? I I.
I, I really believe that if you take care of yourself, aging can
happen in two ways. It can happen in a real
declining way. And I know I get just got a
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comment today on Instagram from a woman who works in a hospital.
And she says, you know, she sees75 years old, that, you know,
they haven't exercised, they haven't eaten well, they, you
know, maybe smoke, they don't move.
And she says their bodies are declining.
So I know the formula if you apply these lifestyle things.
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And I really investigated and love to read about the Blue Zone
in the world. The Blue Zones are the pockets
in the world. They're all over.
They're not like 1 country. They're like in Italy and even
what part of the US and in Japan.
And so if you Google Blue Zone, and I talked about it on my
website, my website isnajaeatmoveglow.com.
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And they, it's a clear example of people in these pockets
because they move in a lot of these places.
There's a lot of stairs and hills in their villages.
So these older people got to keep climbing, you know, and I
would say once you stop climbingstairs, you stop climbing
stairs, you stop being able to climb stairs, you know, so these
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people, you know, they keep they, they, they, so they're
always moving. They're eating the Mediterranean
diet, so they're not eating processed foods.
They're not sitting, you know, on the couch eating, eating, you
know, high fat, high sodium, high calorie.
We are famous for junk food because you know what, it tastes
so good. The sugar is so addictive and
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it's such a comfort to us. So it becomes where we go to.
We want to feel good, but it it kills us slowly and it ages us,
you know, and that's what another reason why I love
showing people like regardless of your age, if you do this,
this will be the results. If you do that, this will be the
results. You choose which way you want to
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go and it's all doable and you don't have to have a ton of
money. I mean, get out and walk, you
know, I even show on my Instagram where if you don't
have weights, you can't afford to wait.
So I say fill up two water, 2 jugs of water, juice bottles or
milk jugs of plastic. Instead of throwing it out, fill
up with water. Use them as weights.
You know you don't need, you know, you don't need a ton of
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weights to, to work on your, on your muscles.
And also it's really important because when you do exercise
that it helps with osteoporosis,it helps with all the aging
issues that we naturally get. And you know, here's the thing,
there are some things in life. So I don't want to get this
Pollyanna. Like if you eat well, exercise,
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you will live to be forever. You'll live forever.
You'll be great. And, you know, and we're all
going to die someday, but it's how we're going to live until we
die. Are we going to be invalids
until we die for the last 10 years?
Or are we going to be taking care of ourselves and then we
die? You know, that's, that's the
way, the way it goes. But it's really important that
we, when we, when we take care of our, ourselves, though, like
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I said, the quality of our agingis decided by us.
And again, there are things you can't control.
I mean, you can have an accident, you can be in a plane
that goes down, you can have cancer.
Like I had leukemia and for a year, I, it took a year for me
to get my strength back when I had had leukemia.
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But when I was going through chemo, I could barely walk from
my bed to the couch. But I knew that I had to find my
strength again. So those are things you can't
control. But lifestyle, what you eat, how
you exercise, those are things you can control.
And diabetes, you know, juvenilediabetes, you can't control, but
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type 2 diabetes, that's a lifestyle disease.
And it's from what you eat and how you, how you move and there
are way and we know the formula.And that's why on Instagram I
say this is what I do. And it's funny, I don't call
myself an influencer. I guess legally, officially I
am. I call myself a guide, a guide
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to ages living. So I'm just guiding and showing
people. I'm not telling you, I'm not
trying to convince you, I'm not trying to influence you.
I'm just saying I'm your guy. This is what I do.
This is what has helped me and you decide.
And you know, it's only been. Four months and you said you
just seen this extreme growth and people, you know, you
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mentioned the lady commenting ofwho works in the hospital and so
seeing people decline in their health.
What in just this short span that you've been doing this,
have there been some I guess people who've reached out that
you have been inspired by them or that you're excited to see a
potential change of them or kindof what have you seen with with
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everything so far? It is so.
Gratifying I first of all, I, I'd love to study things.
So I will, you know, see what other influencers or people are
doing. But what has been so amazing to
me is getting comments from people or private messages
saying direct messages saying, you know, I, I thought it was
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too late for me to, to, to work out.
But I can see that, you know, ifyou can do it And like, you
know, someone say I'm 52 or I'm 65 and like, Oh my God, you're
75 and you're doing, I can do it.
I had this one girl who was likein her 30s.
She goes, I was so afraid of getting old.
But now I'm not afraid anymore. You know, there's like just
amazing comments that just just feel, I mean, it just makes me
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realize those comments inspire me to keep going.
And, you know, one girl said, you know her, her mother died
and her mother was in her early 70s.
And she says, you know, my mother didn't take care of
herself. She was, she wasn't, no, she
wasn't well, and she passed away.
She goes, but I see what you're doing and I'm going to, I'm
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going to change the way I eat and I'm going to start moving
and walking and I'm going to make sure that I don't end up
like my mother. And I just said, you know, your
mother would be so proud of you to know that's what you're
doing. So those are the things that
just inspire me to keep doing what I'm doing because, you
know, it's, it's, it's funny. I'm, I'm and I'm learning so
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much. I mean, starting, starting
social media at 75. Like I started the account.
I was like, OK, what do we do now?
And like, Oh my God. So my hands like my head hurts.
But, but I figured I'll keep theAlzheimer's away, you know, and,
and what sounds like thinking, thinking, but it's, it's nice
that because, but I think I, youknow, I help plenty people if
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they're going to make a choice, make a choice, because there's
products that I have tried that really helped me.
There's things I've done for my skin like red, like therapy and
think that have really helped myskin with aging.
And so I love to tell people because, you know, instead of
them trying ABC and D, this is what works.
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And it's really interesting, Erica.
It's it's and I can see how influencers hate to turn the
money away because you get moneythrown at you.
I get so many companies with products saying, you know, if
you promote this, you know, you get paid or whatever.
And I turn away 95% of them because they're products I never
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use. And I don't want to go and say,
hey, this is great. And then realize it's something
that is not good for someone. It's not even good for me or I
don't even like it. So I think that's what I've
really learned that I don't care, you know, and I really
think, and it's funny, the good products, the products that I
like, the products that I boughtmyself, I'm not getting
connections with them. And so I'm happy to collaborate
with them because I'm happy to share those information, but I'm
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just going to keep doing what what I think works for me and
just let people know. And if they want to do it,
great. But I'd love setting the
example. Yeah, that's huge.
And it's. Also makes people trust you too.
If you're promoting something just for the paycheck, then, you
know, and probably you're probably like, it's easier to
just say I'm retired, you know, I'm good.
I don't. I don't need you.
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Yeah. Yeah.
What and? And I, I don't think we really,
I mean, we kind of touched it a little bit.
What made you decide to say, yeah, let me just start an
Instagram page and promote positive aging?
Well, you know, it's interesting.
First of all, I was bored because I, I really was, I and I
would wake up in the morning andbefore when I had my company, I
was dealing with supply chain issues and COVID and, and you
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know, Oh my God, like it was, I was, I had a lot of, you know,
like sleepless nights because you're, you're dealing, and then
you're dealing with your investors and people yelling at
you and all that stuff. So I did not miss that at all.
Believe me. It's like, OK, thank you.
Done. But then it was like all went
quiet. It's like, like I'd wake up in
the morning and all I, my only decisions of the day was what I
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was going to make for dinner. That was it.
Maybe I'll shop online. Oh, OK.
And that and I after a while, and I mean, it was, it was nice
to start, but then after a whileI said, what can I do?
And then I remember I love talking about what I do and talk
about, you know, staying healthyand, and looking your best, you
know, as you get older. And then so I, when I started
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that Instagram page, I said, I'll just do that.
I was like, post stuff for fun. And then, and it's funny, my
daughter Veronica, you know, I said, I don't know if anyone's
going to really care. And Veronica said to me, she
goes, well, mom, you know, if they don't, you're just maybe
giving, leaving something for us.
Here's mom as she gets older, you know, just, I don't, you
know, and I said, OK, for the family, all right, we'll do it,
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you know, But I have to say, when things started to grow and
then I, I was up to 85 followersand I thought, okay, baby, baby.
And these were people I didn't know.
They weren't family members. Okay, maybe they like what I'm
doing. And then, and they kind of was
like staying steady there. And I thought, oh, well, maybe
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it's not really what people careabout.
And I remember, and I and I remember kind of feeling down
about it. I thought, OK, we'll just do it
for the family. But I was hoping maybe it would
have been something more of value that people would have
liked. But maybe it wasn't, you know,
And I remember my husband, Doug Kim coming home and he had
flowers for me. I'm going, well, it's not, it's
not my birthday, it's not Christmas.
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And he, you know, and Rothblowers home.
And he said, you know, and he, he said, remember Naja, the
book, your favorite book called Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon
Hill. And the book was written like
100 years ago and it's got thesestories that apply today.
And, and it's a small book and Iencourage anyone to, to read it
and get on Amazon, you know, I think it's 1003 print.
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You know, it's just an amazing book by Napoleon Hill, Think and
grow rich. And there's no stories in there.
And the one story was 2 Feet from Gold.
And it's about these couple of guys, they buy this gold mine
and they're working the gold mine, working the gold mine.
They're not finding any gold they got they're digging and
digging, you know, and finally they say, you know what, we're
(51:50):
going to sell this, this is dumbidea.
This is never going to work in that.
So they sell it. And then the guy who buys it in
two feet, he finds gold. And my husband said, remember
that book 2 feet from Gold and said, keep doing what you're
doing, you know? And I thought, yeah, OK.
And I did. And then like all the sudden
just one of my one of my reels, I mean, my reels are getting
(52:13):
millions of views. One has 3 million views, 100,000
likes and going from family to 85 followers.
And then like this happening. So, so yeah.
So sometimes, you know, don't give up.
You know, if you don't, if you really feel what you're doing is
important to you and and and important to others, don't give
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up. Don't give up because you're you
may be you may be two feet from gold.
Yeah, like that. I'm gonna have to.
Check that, check that book out.Great book and how sweet of your
husband too. Also, by the way, for the
listeners, if they're not watching and they're just
listening you, I mean, we'll putyour your social media handle on
on the show notes. But Naja, you and your husband
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are just adorable and you're so delightful.
I mean, I just, I've really, I have just enjoyed this
conversation and just your overall spirit about you.
It's just, it's just very kind and it's just, this has just
been really enjoyable. Well, Naja, we're getting close
to the end of our time. Absolutely.
And so I want to ask you my lastquestion.
And this is a question I ask allof my guests.
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And you have thrown a bunch of Nuggets that could fit under
this question, but I'd love to just hear any final thoughts.
So if you could encourage one woman who does feel blocked or
limited to pursue a dream or a goal based on her age or a life
circumstance, and you've had both, what would you say to her?
I would say. To her, don't let that what is
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happening to you define where you're going to go because like
I said, everyone has issues, problems.
I mean, that's just life, isn't it?
And how do you react to them? That old saying is like, how do
you react to what's happening toyou?
And that's a really important thing.
And sometimes when those things happen, those tough things, like
I said, losing that job or that relationship or whatever you
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have to say is, is the universe pointing me in another
direction. And don't underestimate
yourself. Just realize that, you know, if
you're going to dream, dream really big and take that chance.
Because if you don't, you might think, you know, I would have,
could have, should have. And age, again, as I say on my
Instagram, age is just a number.It really should not stop us or
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define us or block us. And yes, women do not have an
expiry date. And it makes me crazy when
people say, you know, when I'm posting it.
And generally I have the nicest people, but I do have a few
haters. And my girlfriend who is who is
an Instagrammer, she goes, you know what you're doing well, and
you got haters. So you know, and people will
say, well, you know, you are old.
(54:49):
You're 75 S act your age. And I'm thinking, well, who told
who? Who, who decided 75 is old?
I didn't get the memo. So, you know, so I think you,
you just have to overlook your circumstances and overlook your,
your, your age. And other thing I say is
whatever you do in life. And, and I think about this
every time I do a post or something on Instagram, I always
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say, what will my daughter and son think of this?
Even though they're adults, my, my children are in their 40s,
late 40s. So, but they're still my
children, right? And, and so that's why, you
know, I know in Instagram, you know, they're the, you know, you
get the woman my age wearing bikinis, which is fine.
And I'm not. And I think if that makes me
feel good, that is their right. And I totally accept that.
(55:34):
But for me, there's things that when I, when I'm going to wear
something or I'm going to do something, I say, well, my, my
children think of this. And I think it's because I was a
single mother and raising my children.
So I was always aware of I am their prime example.
I am their prime mentor. And that put me in a real
position of responsibility. But I also feel with my
followers, I'm in a position of responsibility because I'm, I'm,
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I'm giving them ideas and showing them things.
So I have a responsibility to them that I'm giving them things
that that will help them, not hinder them.
Yes, yes. Absolutely.
Oh, Naja, you said something tooin that.
I don't remember what it was. I was going to try to repeat
that. I just when I go back and edit
it, I'll say, oh, that's what itwas and I'll have to message you
and say this is what you said. Naja that just was really just
(56:19):
hit hit me to struck a chord with me a good a good chord.
But if you'll go ahead and Nadjaand if you'll just share where
people can find you, we'd love to to have them see you.
No, thank you. I'm.
Nadja NADJA eatmooglow on Instagram and my website
isnadjaeatmooglow.com. So happy to.
(56:41):
And on my website, I'm now goingto be doing full length exercise
videos because on Instagram you're only allowed a maximum of
three minutes, as you know, so, so it doesn't in recipes.
I have to like sometimes Fast forward things so I can do
things a little longer, do full length exercise videos and just
put all my information on how I exercise, when I exercise, what
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I do. I would say to people, I'm not a
bodybuilder. I'm not looking to bulk up.
I just want to be able to wear sleeveless dresses.
Are you going to post them on onYouTube as well or just just
yeah, yeah, we just started. So, you know, I'm I just
learned, you know, all the, you know, the do's and don'ts of
Instagram. As you know, there's YouTube
(57:22):
that we just I just signed on tothat and then I'm going to
probably do TikTok. I think that seems to be another
Ave. So learning, learning, doing
stuff and hopefully I can just keep sharing more more
information. Oh, I've I've loved what I've.
Been seeing so far, OK, this is what this is what you said.
So that you know, somebody reached out and said act your
age, you know, you're 75, act your age.
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And I'm thinking, you know, you'll hear that all the time
for whatever age that may be. And then, you know, I'm just
thinking like the things that you're doing, you are a 75 year
old woman. I had, I read on, I guess it was
threads or something that somebody said, you know, 4040 is
the new 20s. And I had interviewed a woman a
while ago who she was in her late 60s and she said, I'm not
(58:05):
in my 40s. I'm not in my 50s.
I am 68 years old and that's OK and 40s.
And so I responded to the, the comment about the, because I'm,
I'm in my early 40s. And so my comment was 40 is 40.
And we should be so thankful that we get to have these years
and, and what we're getting to experience.
I don't know. I said something else too, but
it's like, no, we're not going back.
(58:26):
We are here where we are. We need to show other people
that, hey, it's OK to be be the age you are and let's embrace it
and celebrate it and enjoy the life that we're given.
Absolutely. And you know I.
Say that at 75, you know, whether you're 75 or 65 or 85,
your best years should be ahead of you.
You know, you should not look atthem as like, oh, I'm on, I'm on
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the downside now, Now that I mean, you can really have a
beautiful life then. And you know, I look at, and
I'll just finish off by saying, you know, I've been on this
planet for 3/4 of a century. God willing, I'll have another
quarter of a century to be on here.
But when when I cross those pearly gates, I'm not going to
be in a Walker. I'm going to be wearing high
heels. I love that.
(59:13):
That's wonderful. Well, Nadja, thank you so much.
This was such a treat. I really enjoyed our time
together. So thank you for joining me
today on the More Than Your Age podcast.
Thank you, Eric. It was a great.
Pleasure. Absolutely, if you were
encouraged by today's. Episode Like and subscribe to
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