October 3, 2024 • 33 mins
Join Nannette and Brad on the "Mormon to Medium" podcast as they explore the chilling tales of the infamous LaLaurie Mansion in New Orleans. Delve into the horrific story of Madame Delphine LaLaurie. Discover the dark history and paranormal mysteries of this home that is said to be one of the most haunted places in the US.
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Nannette (00:01):
Welcome to the Mormon to medium podcast, where we'll
talk about spirituality, theparanormal religion, and my
journey going from Mormon tomedium.
I'm Nanette Wride.
Thanks for listening.
Now let's go have some fun.
(00:27):
Hey guys, welcome to the Mormonto medium podcast.
you're here with Brad and Nan,and we are going to talk about
some haunted places, well, ahaunted place that we're going
to visit while we're in NewOrleans.
Brad (00:40):
Yeah, if you remember right last week, we said, Hey,
we're going to be going to NewOrleans.
We're going to look up some ofthe places that are reported to
be haunted that we are going tosee.
And boy, do we have a good onefor you today?
So Nan, when you think of NewOrleans, who are a couple of the
people that immediately pop intoyour mind?
Nannette (00:59):
Oh, definitely Marie Laveau.
Brad (01:02):
Laveau.
Absolutely.
The, the, the voodoo queen,right?
Nannette (01:07):
Yes, and also, she helped name our dog Voodoo.
Because she, you know,
Brad (01:12):
she,
Nannette (01:13):
has a scary look and Voodoo has one eye that's kind
of off.
So we called her Voodoo becausewe had just gotten back from New
Orleans.
Who
Brad (01:21):
That is true.
So everyone thinks of MarieLaveau but would it surprise you
if i told you that verysinister.
I
Nannette (01:31):
I was going to say Louis Armstrong, but no,
Brad (01:33):
Armstrong, but no.
Yeah, not Louis Armstrong.
There is a darkness thatemanates around Royal Street and
anyone who has been to theFrench Quarter and taken a ghost
tour has been able toexperience, well, at least from
the outside, the infamousLalaurie Mansion.
(01:55):
Yeah.
So
Nannette (01:55):
Mansion.
Now,
Brad (01:58):
No.
Now, before we started lookinginto this, had you ever heard of
Delphine LaLaurie?
Nannette (02:04):
Delphine LaLaurie?
Brad (02:07):
So most people have not heard of Madame Delphine, Lala
Ri, unless they've been to NoOrleans, or unless they watched
the series, American HorrorStory, that yes, in the season
of the coven
Nannette (02:24):
LaLaurie
Brad (02:25):
LaLaurie is essentially resurrected into the current
timeframe.
And we learn about her
Nannette (02:31):
season.
Yes, and
Brad (02:36):
Yes.
And.
The reason we thought it was alljust this character for the
writing is because it was sohorrible, the things that she
was reported to have done.
There's a whole story here andwe are going to unfold this
entire story of the MadameDelphine.
LaLaurie.
(02:58):
Tom, Tom,
Nannette (02:59):
Dun, dun,
Brad (03:03):
The LaLaurie Mansion is said to be one of the most
haunted places in all of theUnited States.
Nannette (03:13):
Seriously, the All of the us.
Brad (03:14):
the U.
S.?
Yes.
People have reported seeingfigures walking through the
building when there is no onethere from the outside in the
windows, they have reportedfeeling sick as they walk past
the place.
During the middle of the day, itis a hotbed for paranormal
activity.
And the crazy thing about thatis they don't let people into
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this place.
It's been privately owned andoperated and people are not
allowed to go in.
They don't do ghost tours.
They don't do all those things.
Apparently, um, Jack Osborne hada TV show where he was allowed
to go in there and I haven'twatched that.
We should probably look that upand watch that show and see how
it went down.
but
Nannette (03:56):
Ozzy Osbourne's kid?
Yes.
Oh.
Brad (03:59):
So yeah, the Prince of Darkness, his kid.
Nannette (04:02):
Okay, okay.
Brad (04:04):
So he was able to go in there on a TV show and do some,
some ghost hunting.
Um, but it's been owned byseveral people since the
LaLauries and the catastrophethat happened in New Orleans,
April 10th of
Nannette (04:20):
have owned this place after all of this happened, they
haven't been successful at beingat this place, have they?
Brad (04:27):
No, for whatever reason, there's a lot of churn, right?
So right after this, and we'llget into what happened, but it's
had several different owners andseveral different functions.
So it was a furniture factory atone point and uh, reportedly the
furniture would have urine on itor blood on it before they could
ship it out.
It was an all girls school atone
Nannette (04:49):
What?
Yes.
Brad (04:50):
um, that didn't last long.
It has been a private residenceIn fact, the most famous owner
of it was none other than actorNicholas Cage.
Nannette (05:01):
Oh, and he lost that too.
Brad (05:03):
Yes, he did.
So it didn't work out for Cagehowever, he does still have the
giant pyramid in St.
Louis No.
1 Cemetery, which is where thecreme de la creme of everyone
who's everyone gets to be buriedin New Orleans,
Nannette (05:17):
remember when we were visiting there, we did take a
picture of his crypt.
Brad (05:22):
We did, and you know what?
I'm sure that we'll see it againwhen we go back.
Nannette (05:26):
Exactly.
Brad (05:27):
know actually when he bought it, it was because he
wanted to write the greatAmerican horror novel.
Nannette (05:32):
he
Brad (05:33):
Yeah, he thought, Oh, I'm going to be like Dean Koontz or
Stephen King.
I'm going to write this amazingnovel.
And, thought that that's wherehe would get his inspiration.
I think so.
And apparently,
Nannette (05:46):
Apparently ghosts can't get past egos.
Brad (05:49):
Or apparently actors don't write well.
Nannette (05:54):
Especially when they're the star.
I don't know.
Who knows?
Brad (05:58):
Who
Nannette (05:59):
I just think it's interesting like, there's
something up.
Brad (06:02):
But let's talk about what happened.
Nannette (06:05):
Okay.
Pause though.
It really feels like that housedoesn't want anybody there and
it's for sale right now.
That
Brad (06:11):
true.
It does feel like no one'ssupposed to be in it and it is
up for sale right now.
You can actually look up on thereal estate websites and see
pictures of the inside of thehouse.
But, um, apparently theircurrent owners have said they
haven't experienced anyparanormal activity.
Nannette (06:26):
I'm not buying that.
I'm not
Brad (06:29):
I am not either
Nannette (06:30):
They need to sell it.
Brad (06:32):
they do.
And it's been notorious foryears as having that activity,
Nannette (06:38):
yeah.
It's too bad.
We don't know somebody thatcould balance that house.
Brad (06:42):
right?
You should truly give them a
Nannette (06:44):
I might need to call the real estate agent
Brad (06:47):
So Marie Delphine McCarty.
Nannette (06:49):
Delphine McCarty
Brad (06:51):
Was born March 19th, 1787 to a wealthy family in New
Orleans.
These were some of the originalsettlers and they held property.
They ran plantations, they ownedslaves at the time, and they
just were that old money of NewOrleans.
So Delphine grew up in a familythat was well to do.
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They loved to throw big parties.
Her mother was known to be justan amazing hostess who just made
sure everything was taken careof and everything was perfect.
Anytime she had a party, it saidthat she was a beautiful and
charming young lady.
And at the ripe old age of 14,she ended up getting married to
her first
Nannette (07:32):
husband.
Gross.
Yep.
14
Brad (07:34):
Super young,
Nannette (07:35):
a Joseph Smith move it.
Brad (07:36):
It kind of is, especially, especially because her husband
was a 35 year old widower namedRamon Lopez, y Angelo de
Candelaria.
Now, Ramon was an officer of theSpanish crown, so the territory
was run by the Spanish, and hewas actually second in command
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to the Louisiana governor.
He was a big wig.
there was some power there so hehad recently lost his wife on
the journey from Spain toLouisiana, where he was assigned
by the crown.
And once he got there, you know,he jumped right into things and
started going to parties becauseobviously if you're a rich
plantation owner, you're goingto invite the politicians to
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come to your plantation,
Nannette (08:22):
right?
Brad (08:23):
So he goes to the parties and at some point, somehow he
ends up Meeting Delphine andthat's all it took.
They, uh, apparently fell inlove or at least in lust because
they were married
Nannette (08:37):
In a
Brad (08:39):
private ceremony on June 11th, 1800.
Nannette (08:41):
1800,
Brad (08:42):
The kicker to this is Ramon had asked the Spanish
crown for permission.
To marry Delphine.
Apparently that was custom withtheir officials.
If they were going to marrysomebody who was one of the
locals in an area that they ran.
Yeah, they had to getpermission.
The crown said, no, he did itanyway.
(09:04):
And it caused some problems.
Now, the funny thing is a lot ofofficials just bypass that they
wouldn't request permission orsay anything they would just
say, Just get married.
Um, rumor has it that there wasanother guy who essentially
wanted his position and wastrying to set him up, but that's
a different story.
(09:24):
We're not going to get intothat.
Um, what happened next is fiveyears later, Ramon not only made
Delphine a mother, But a widow.
Nannette (09:38):
So he died, gave her a baby, and a widow at the same
time.
Brad (09:41):
So she ended up getting pregnant.
They had left New Orleansbecause he got in trouble.
They went to Havana where shestayed while he went to Spain.
When he came back, his boatended up hitting a sandbar off
the shores of Havana and he waskilled.
Nannette (10:01):
so Delphine couldn't have killed him.
Brad (10:03):
she didn't, no, no, no, she didn't kill him.
She had nothing to do with that.
And that was on January 11th,1805.
Now, right around that sametime, she gave birth to their
daughter.
And here's an interesting thing.
She named the daughter afterRamon's first wife who was
killed.
Nannette (10:22):
was killed.
Brad (10:25):
Yeah.
Right.
Nannette (10:27):
you wouldn't.
How do you know
Brad (10:34):
So that's husband number one.
Older man, she's 14.
He's 35.
He ends up making her a widow.
She's still just a kid.
Right.
Um,
Nannette (10:44):
19.
Yeah.
When he dies.
Brad (10:46):
yep.
The next one, because she getsmarried again, right?
So let's talk about husbandnumber two.
Now on Delphine's 20th birthday,march 19th, 1807, and just a few
weeks after her mother had died,she married a Frenchman, and a
widower again, named Jean PaulBlanc.
Nannette (11:08):
Blanc.
Okay.
Is she after the widowers?
I'm just wondering.
Brad (11:12):
almost makes you wonder that, or were the widowers after
her, because she was a younglady from an affluent family.
Nannette (11:20):
Okay.
But she's, she has kids now.
So
Brad (11:22):
She has, she does have a kid at this point, but the man
who married her.
came into the area with a bit ofan agenda.
So he was known to be a ruthlessbusinessman.
He'd been very active in theslave trade, as well as in
politics.
Uh, when they shut down theslave trade, he smuggled slaves
(11:44):
in anyway.
Nannette (11:45):
So he's dirty.
He's
Brad (11:46):
a little bit dirty.
He was actually a very closeassociate to the pirate
brothers.
Jean and Pierre Lafitte,
Nannette (11:56):
Lafitte.
Brad (11:56):
the Lafitte.
Um, so he had these close tiesto the pirates.
Now, anyone who is a piratehere, well, we look back at that
and there's, there's been all ofthese, you know, fun stories
about them and you give thiskind of glamorous, but they were
dirty.
They, uh, they had an agenda.
They were ruthless and cruel andwere.
(12:17):
In it for themselves, right?
So I imagine, and I don't havethe facts to back this up, but I
imagine he was very similar tothat.
So I would think that he sawthis young woman who was from a
rich family and went, aha, I canuse this.
Nannette (12:34):
But New Orleans isn't like a teeny tiny town.
Actually,
Brad (12:38):
it was still pretty small at the time.
It wasn't huge, but it did have.
You know, it's definite classsystems and you had some some
changes that had taken place.
So I didn't express this and andlook, this is not a history
podcast, right?
I'm not a historian by anymeans.
I'm not going to get all thisright.
But in the time that Delphinewent to Havana.
(13:03):
And came back, the Louisianapurchase had taken place and
that whole area had been sold tothe Americas.
Nannette (13:11):
that was with Napoleon,
Brad (13:12):
yes.
And so now when she goes back,she's like, oh, so the Americans
own this now and we're nowAmericans.
Nannette (13:21):
Oh, confusing.
Brad (13:22):
Right.
So, so it, it.
A lot of things took place that,you know, changes and whatnot.
Now I had mentioned that just afew weeks prior to her getting
married, her mother had died.
Her mother actually left her abig plantation with 52 slaves
with livestock, farm equipment,everything that goes with it,
(13:45):
right?
Nannette (13:46):
you imagine being in charge of taking care of that
many?
People, people,
Brad (13:50):
That's a lot of
Nannette (13:52):
that would be a huge, um, responsibility.
Brad (13:55):
Yeah, so not only did she inherit that from her mother,
but her father actually as awedding gift to the two gave
them an additional plantationand another 26 slaves.
So, she now has this large, um,property holding and, income
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that's coming in to support thetwo of them, in addition to all
of the other business dealingsthat her husband has going on.
by 1815.
They have five children.
So she's just given birth, youknow, year after year.
So they got married in 1807 by1815.
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They had five kiddos.
and then crazy things startedhappening, right?
So the Americas got into a warwith England, right?
And there was a famous battle,the battle of new Orleans, which
John Blanc, her husband.
Helped get the Pirates involvedin and they won this big battle
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the Battle of New Orleans Inpart because the Pirates helped
the Americas win.
Well about a year after thatbattle though Jean Blanc passed
away and Delphine is now 28years old and she is a widow yet
again twice over With sixchildren.
(15:21):
It doesn't say I wasn't able tofind out how he died
Nannette (15:25):
look, here's
Brad (15:26):
Well, look, here's the thing when a pirate tear
mysteriously dies, there'sprobably not a lot of questions,
right?
Like, okay, he probably had aknife in his back.
Who knows?
But I don't imagine there was alot of questions about.
Yeah.
Okay.
There he goes.
The sad thing is when he died,it was found out that He was
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deep in debt and Delphine endedup having to sell off most of
his property and some of herproperty to make up for the
debts that he owed.
Nannette (16:01):
Oh, what a jerk.
Brad (16:02):
Right now.
Nannette (16:04):
Seriously, that'd be devastating.
Brad (16:07):
Now this is also about the time when we first hear about
Delphine potentially being cruelto the enslaved people.
Under her control.
Uh, there are letters that talkabout it.
And one of the things that issaid during this time is that
some of Jean Blanc's slaves thatshe was able to retain ended up
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dying.
It says that.
Eight of the enslaved peoplethat she now owned died in a
span of about five years, whichis unusual, um, because there
are rules and codes at the time,even that say, Hey, you have to
have a certain humane way oftreating these enslaved people.
Now, it was more of a wink, winktype of law, but they still were
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looked down upon.
If too many of their slaves wereenslaved.
Died, right?
And so this brought some, uh,raised eyebrows and especially
since most of them who died werewomen or children.
Nannette (17:10):
It makes me, it makes me wonder because women and
children, they don't really workas hard as the men and they take
more.
So it makes you wonder if, if itjust wasn't convenient for her
to have them.
And so she mistreated them.
Brad (17:24):
Well, or were they working in the house and just displeased
her and so
Nannette (17:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and she had to have beenunder an immense amount of
stress, having all of thoseslaves and all the debt and
everything she had to take careof.
She probably was losing hermind.
And a widow double.
I don't, I don't see how shecouldn't be losing her mind.
Brad (17:47):
but I don't know how much of those marriages were like
marriages of love.
They seem like very much moremarriages of convenience,
especially with that huge agedifference.
So I don't honestly.
After knowing the atrocitiesthat she enacted on these
people, I don't want to make anyexcuses for her.
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She's just a horrible, horrible
Nannette (18:10):
she is a horrible person, but I'm trying to figure
out when she started becominghorrible because it wasn't when
she was 14.
Like something
Brad (18:17):
or was it?
Well, it may have been when shewas younger because it is
purported that her uncle'sestate was notorious for Extreme
violence toward their slaves.
In fact, her parents had beeninvolved in a very large slave
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uprising where they revolted I,I can't see how anyone would
Nannette (18:49):
I can't see how anyone would want to marry that then
either.
So I don't know.
It's
Brad (18:54):
So I don't know.
It's just
Nannette (19:03):
know, she was wealthy.
And so here she is.
Brad (19:07):
Available people were like, uh, in fact, the next one
went, uh,
Nannette (19:13):
A husband named, which is where, gets her
Brad (19:29):
Right.
And actually I was talking abouthusband number three because
husband number three was aFrenchman named Louis LaLaurie,
which is where Miss McCarty getsher LaLaurie name that we all
know and hear and it curdles ourblood.
Nannette (19:50):
And he was the really bad one though.
Brad (19:53):
Was he really bad?
Let's talk about
Nannette (19:55):
I'm thinking.
So,
Brad (19:57):
Dr.
Louis Lalaurie came into thepicture in 1825.
Dr.
Lalaurie studied dentistry inFrance.
Nannette (20:07):
Okay.
In those years, they like justpulled teeth.
Brad (20:09):
Yeah, pretty much like, Hey, you know what you study in
dentistry, you can do whateverelse, whatever.
So, and that's what he did.
He had it in his mind that hewas going to destroy all the
hunches.
So he was going to take thehunchbacks and straighten them
out.
Nannette (20:25):
Oh no.
That would be horrible.
Brad (20:27):
And so.
He decided, you know what, I'm adentist here, but I'm going to
go to the Americas and I amgoing to work on bones.
Nannette (20:35):
teeth or bones, right?
Brad (20:36):
Yeah, essentially.
So that is what he was known foris straightening people's backs.
Now in those times, it wasn'tlike, okay, we're going to just
lay you on the table and popyour back and now you're going
to go get a massage.
It was, we're going to put youin this machine.
That essentially looks like therack from the inquisition and
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they would stretch people on itand they would
Nannette (21:00):
Okay, that's horrific.
Torture.
Brad (21:02):
Essentially, it's torture.
Nannette (21:04):
torture.
Brad (21:05):
And, uh, it was said that, you know, after three years,
they could be completely healedof doing these torturous
activities day after day afterday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the way that LaLaurie ends upmeeting Delphine is Delphine
actually has a daughter whoneeds her back straightened.
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Okay.
She lost me there.
You never hurt your kids.
What a sack.
Seriously?
Right?
So LaLaurie is an older woman.
She's 38, two dead husbands,five children.
Lots of wealth.
And some people speculate that alot of different things may have
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happened.
You know, LaLaurie came in,ended up meeting this, this
woman who threw parties and wasglamorous and they ended up
having a thing, right?
He was,
Nannette (22:03):
wasn't she a cougar too?
Brad (22:05):
she would have definitely been a cougar because he was
only 25.
So.
There was a flip flop,essentially, in that power
dynamic.
Now, she was the older one inthe relationship, but there was
a lot of speculation, like Isaid, that, you know, it was
just a, thing that wasn'tsupposed to happen, because it
is said that she actually endedup getting
Nannette (22:28):
out of wedlock.
Right.
Brad (22:32):
Which was one of those things in society that was very
frowned upon at the time.
Nannette (22:38):
in society that was very ground upon at
Brad (22:46):
lot of kids, a lot of kids, and
Nannette (22:49):
ended up getting
Brad (22:53):
right?
After she became pregnant, theyended up getting married at the
St.
Louis cathedral.
And it said that they actuallyrolled back the marriage date,
six months to cover up gettingpregnant at a wedlock.
Nannette (23:09):
I have a question, I have a question, I have a
question.
the St.
Louis Cathedral one of the otherhaunted places we're going to?
Brad (23:14):
places we're going to?
Um, it very well could be.
Did you do the research on St.
Louis
Nannette (23:18):
We were listening to it, yes, yeah, and it's the one
that's in the square.
Brad (23:22):
I'll be damned.
Well, so here's the thing.
All these
Nannette (23:26):
That just, that just clicked in my head and I'm like,
oh my gosh.
Brad (23:31):
The interesting thing there Nan is the St.
Louis Cathedral is just down thestreet from the home that Madame
Delphine Purchased on Royal andHospital Street, which would
become the infamous HauntedLaLaurie Mansion.
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All of you are wondering whathappened?
What made this mansion haunted?
Where does this come in?
How does this story culminate?
Right?
Nannette (24:02):
Yeah, besides the crazy,
Brad (24:04):
Well, let's talk about that.
On a fateful day, April 10th,1834, a fire broke out inside
the home of LaLaurie and at thetime her estranged husband,
because they had been havingsome issues.
And in fact, she had petitionedthe courts for separation,
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saying that, Dr.
LaLaurie treated her in such amanner as to render their living
together insupportable.
She also claimed that LaLauriehad beaten her in front of
witnesses.
Nannette (24:42):
sounds like the unhinged one then, huh?
Brad (24:45):
Perhaps, but I think they are definitely both of them in
it together.
Because, On that April day,1834, he was at the mansion when
the fire started.
Nannette (25:01):
Now,
Brad (25:03):
When the fire started, this is a new town and they
didn't have a fire department.
So all the neighbors would comeand try and help put out the
fire the best they could becausethey didn't want it to spread
throughout the city, right?
Nannette (25:14):
Yeah, because the houses are close,
Brad (25:15):
houses are close now.
It started in the kitchen area,which was separate from the main
house, and they were worried itwas going to spread.
So when neighbors started comingin, Madam LaLaurie started
directing people.
Okay, I need you to go in hereand get this and get this.
She wanted her paintings.
She wanted her fine china.
She wanted her silver.
(25:36):
She wanted all of these valuablepossessions.
Now, Her neighbor happened to bea judge, uh, jock Francois can
knows, I believe is how youwould pronounce that.
I don't know.
I don't speak French.
I'm guessing right.
All I can do is like that.
Oh,
Nannette (25:54):
Sounds French to me.
Brad (25:56):
right.
So the judge gets there and he'slike, um,
Nannette (26:01):
Hey,
Brad (26:01):
you've got slaves.
Where are the slaves?
We need to get them out of thehouse and they're like, no, no,
no, no.
Don't worry about that.
Go get our valuables.
There's all these things overhere that are valuable to us.
We need you to get those.
Well, the judge hits up Dr.
LaLaurie, who happened to bethere.
He says, Hey, dude, we gotta getyour slaves out, right?
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Well, it's reported thatLaLaurie And there's a quote,
responded, there are those whowould be better employed if they
would attend to their ownaffairs instead of officiously
intermeddling with the concernsof other people.
Now say that in a smug Frenchaccent.
Nannette (26:41):
That's, that's pretty low.
Brad (26:43):
It's pretty low because what happens when they go in
anyway, they're like, Hey, we'regoing to go in and save these
people because we know they'rein there.
So they start kicking in doors.
Well, Upstairs, they kick in adoor because they hear screams
because people know there'ssmoke and they're going to die.
They kick in the door and Whatthey find is nothing less than
(27:06):
horrific, a macabre chamber ofhorror.
There's no other way to describeit, is essentially a torture
chamber.
Nannette (27:15):
pretty low.
Yeah.
Brad (27:17):
There are men and women inside that room, hanging from
chains, wrapped in chains.
In fact, this is where we starthearing all kinds of different
rumors and.
Different.
Tellings We don't really knowall of the facts, but there are
a lot of different stories.
Some people say that when theywent into this room, that people
(27:41):
Had bones that were broken andreset in unnatural angles.
That there were people who wereabsolutely mutilated and cut
open.
That intestines were pulled outand wrapped around people.
That, parts of skulls had beencut off people and their brains
were exposed.
Nannette (28:00):
So you're saying this doctor practiced medicine.
Brad (28:03):
He may have practiced on these people, but there are
also, there definitely soundslike they were, but there were
also stories Nan that said thatthese people were just very
malnourished and wrapped inheavy chains that they could
barely walk.
But there were reports that theywere in such bad shape that they
(28:26):
basically had to be drug out ofthere.
The fire was said to be startedby a 14 year old kitchen girl
who was a slave who was attachedto a 25 25 foot chain and
couldn't go any farther.
Apparently living with theLaLaurie's was so horrible she
would rather start the place onfire and die.
Nannette (28:48):
so sad.
Brad (28:49):
Very sad and atrocious.
It's horrible.
No matter how you look at it,
Nannette (28:54):
Those poor people.
Brad (28:56):
they were absolutely tortured.
Nannette (28:59):
horrific.
Brad (29:00):
To the point where they probably would have preferred
death and there were a couple ofthem who died even after being
saved because they were in sucha horrible condition here's
something that puts it intoperspective, Nann.
When these people startedgetting brought out of the home,
the people who were there to putout the fire became enraged.
(29:22):
They were absolutely incensedand the mob mentality came out
and they started destroyingthings.
They were out for blood.
Madame LaLaurie and Dr.
LaLaurie ended up getting into acarriage and escaping, driving
through the crowd And they
Nannette (29:39):
they escaped,
Brad (29:40):
escaped.
You would hope that Someone whowas involved in this would
actually have some sort ofretribution, right?
Like, the legal system wouldtake them and throw them in
chains the way they threw otherpeople.
Nannette (29:55):
But no,
Brad (29:55):
This is not one of those happy stories.
Nannette (29:58):
right?
They took off to Paris,
Brad (30:00):
Yes.
They escape to Paris, whereLaLaurie, Ended up dying of a
unknown disease.
I'm guessing she was just rottenfrom the inside
Nannette (30:10):
inside out.
Right.
Brad (30:12):
Exactly.
But
Nannette (30:15):
horrible
Brad (30:15):
horrible atrocities were never paid for.
And that is why it's still saidthe mansion is haunted by the
ghosts of those who died inthere and countless numbers that
no one will ever know.
No one really knows the extentof the atrocities that took
place.
Nannette (30:33):
in that home.
Now, I have two things to tellyou, though.
I looked up that the mansion isfor sale for nine million
dollars right now, but itsoriginal asking price was 10.
5.
So it's losing, they're goingdown on the amount.
So I think that that'sinteresting.
(30:54):
Additionally, um, the very firsttime we heard this story, um,
um, I have had a little girlthat keeps coming to me and
reaching out for me.
Um, and every time we talk aboutthe story, she pops up.
So I think, I think the littlegirl that was in the kitchen
that burned the place down
Brad (31:14):
is
Nannette (31:14):
the one showing up.
Brad (31:15):
Really?
Yeah.
So you think, okay, help meunderstand how that works.
I think that's a lot right now.
Nannette (31:23):
Well, if a soul is trapped in an area, What I, what
I think is interesting is whenwe sat down to do the podcast
tonight, it popped into my headand this was not my idea.
It popped into my head to reachout to the real estate agent
and, and offer, um, to balancethe house so it could be sold,
but also to help the souls crossthat wanted to.
(31:46):
And that would, that wouldanswer why I've got this little
girl that keeps following mearound.
Um, I think that she's, she'sasking for help and let's be
clear here.
We are not, um, the type ofpsychic medium people that are
going to go out and want to getscared.
We're there to help and tolearn, um, and to tell the story
of the area that it's been.
(32:07):
So, um, but it's all about loveand bringing peace to a place.
So we'll see, I guess I'll reachout to the real estate agent.
I'm a really good minder.
So I'll do that and we'll seewhat happens.
I think spirit can make a lot ofthings happen,
Brad (32:22):
things happen.
What's going to be amazingthough is to actually go to the
place where these things happenand see what that feels like.
And we're going to do exactlythat.
And once we're done there, we'llmake sure we let everybody know
Nannette (32:38):
You mean we'll return and
Brad (32:40):
we'll return and report.
This is going to be one of thehaunted places that we get to
experience in new Orleans andwe'll share.
All of the details and hopefullywe can get some up close
personal photos that we canshare on all of the social media
platforms.
Nannette (32:54):
Definitely.
Brad (32:55):
In fact, if you haven't already, please join us on
Instagram and Facebook.
Um, make sure that you like andfollow the show and tell your
friends all about it.
Um,
Nannette (33:06):
Yeah.
Help us grow and spread theword.
Um, and if you are interested inhaving an energy balance or
having a psychic medium reading,um, the links are in the show
notes and also on our socialmedia pages, or you can go to
our website, Zen energy sage.
com
Brad (33:24):
Yep.
Thank you so much.
We're so glad you joined us andwe'll see you
Nannette (33:28):
on the other side of the veil.
Welcome to the Mormon to medium podcast, where we'll
talk about spirituality, theparanormal religion, and my
journey going from Mormon tomedium.
I'm Nanette Wride.
Thanks for listening.
Now let's go have some fun.
(00:27):
Hey guys, welcome to the Mormonto medium podcast.
you're here with Brad and Nan,and we are going to talk about
some haunted places, well, ahaunted place that we're going
to visit while we're in NewOrleans.
Brad (00:40):
Yeah, if you remember right last week, we said, Hey,
we're going to be going to NewOrleans.
We're going to look up some ofthe places that are reported to
be haunted that we are going tosee.
And boy, do we have a good onefor you today?
So Nan, when you think of NewOrleans, who are a couple of the
people that immediately pop intoyour mind?
Nannette (00:59):
Oh, definitely Marie Laveau.
Brad (01:02):
Laveau.
Absolutely.
The, the, the voodoo queen,right?
Nannette (01:07):
Yes, and also, she helped name our dog Voodoo.
Because she, you know,
Brad (01:12):
she,
Nannette (01:13):
has a scary look and Voodoo has one eye that's kind
of off.
So we called her Voodoo becausewe had just gotten back from New
Orleans.
Who
Brad (01:21):
That is true.
So everyone thinks of MarieLaveau but would it surprise you
if i told you that verysinister.
I
Nannette (01:31):
I was going to say Louis Armstrong, but no,
Brad (01:33):
Armstrong, but no.
Yeah, not Louis Armstrong.
There is a darkness thatemanates around Royal Street and
anyone who has been to theFrench Quarter and taken a ghost
tour has been able toexperience, well, at least from
the outside, the infamousLalaurie Mansion.
(01:55):
Yeah.
So
Nannette (01:55):
Mansion.
Now,
Brad (01:58):
No.
Now, before we started lookinginto this, had you ever heard of
Delphine LaLaurie?
Nannette (02:04):
Delphine LaLaurie?
Brad (02:07):
So most people have not heard of Madame Delphine, Lala
Ri, unless they've been to NoOrleans, or unless they watched
the series, American HorrorStory, that yes, in the season
of the coven
Nannette (02:24):
LaLaurie
Brad (02:25):
LaLaurie is essentially resurrected into the current
timeframe.
And we learn about her
Nannette (02:31):
season.
Yes, and
Brad (02:36):
Yes.
And.
The reason we thought it was alljust this character for the
writing is because it was sohorrible, the things that she
was reported to have done.
There's a whole story here andwe are going to unfold this
entire story of the MadameDelphine.
LaLaurie.
(02:58):
Tom, Tom,
Nannette (02:59):
Dun, dun,
Brad (03:03):
The LaLaurie Mansion is said to be one of the most
haunted places in all of theUnited States.
Nannette (03:13):
Seriously, the All of the us.
Brad (03:14):
the U.
S.?
Yes.
People have reported seeingfigures walking through the
building when there is no onethere from the outside in the
windows, they have reportedfeeling sick as they walk past
the place.
During the middle of the day, itis a hotbed for paranormal
activity.
And the crazy thing about thatis they don't let people into
(03:37):
this place.
It's been privately owned andoperated and people are not
allowed to go in.
They don't do ghost tours.
They don't do all those things.
Apparently, um, Jack Osborne hada TV show where he was allowed
to go in there and I haven'twatched that.
We should probably look that upand watch that show and see how
it went down.
but
Nannette (03:56):
Ozzy Osbourne's kid?
Yes.
Oh.
Brad (03:59):
So yeah, the Prince of Darkness, his kid.
Nannette (04:02):
Okay, okay.
Brad (04:04):
So he was able to go in there on a TV show and do some,
some ghost hunting.
Um, but it's been owned byseveral people since the
LaLauries and the catastrophethat happened in New Orleans,
April 10th of
Nannette (04:20):
have owned this place after all of this happened, they
haven't been successful at beingat this place, have they?
Brad (04:27):
No, for whatever reason, there's a lot of churn, right?
So right after this, and we'llget into what happened, but it's
had several different owners andseveral different functions.
So it was a furniture factory atone point and uh, reportedly the
furniture would have urine on itor blood on it before they could
ship it out.
It was an all girls school atone
Nannette (04:49):
What?
Yes.
Brad (04:50):
um, that didn't last long.
It has been a private residenceIn fact, the most famous owner
of it was none other than actorNicholas Cage.
Nannette (05:01):
Oh, and he lost that too.
Brad (05:03):
Yes, he did.
So it didn't work out for Cagehowever, he does still have the
giant pyramid in St.
Louis No.
1 Cemetery, which is where thecreme de la creme of everyone
who's everyone gets to be buriedin New Orleans,
Nannette (05:17):
remember when we were visiting there, we did take a
picture of his crypt.
Brad (05:22):
We did, and you know what?
I'm sure that we'll see it againwhen we go back.
Nannette (05:26):
Exactly.
Brad (05:27):
know actually when he bought it, it was because he
wanted to write the greatAmerican horror novel.
Nannette (05:32):
he
Brad (05:33):
Yeah, he thought, Oh, I'm going to be like Dean Koontz or
Stephen King.
I'm going to write this amazingnovel.
And, thought that that's wherehe would get his inspiration.
I think so.
And apparently,
Nannette (05:46):
Apparently ghosts can't get past egos.
Brad (05:49):
Or apparently actors don't write well.
Nannette (05:54):
Especially when they're the star.
I don't know.
Who knows?
Brad (05:58):
Who
Nannette (05:59):
I just think it's interesting like, there's
something up.
Brad (06:02):
But let's talk about what happened.
Nannette (06:05):
Okay.
Pause though.
It really feels like that housedoesn't want anybody there and
it's for sale right now.
That
Brad (06:11):
true.
It does feel like no one'ssupposed to be in it and it is
up for sale right now.
You can actually look up on thereal estate websites and see
pictures of the inside of thehouse.
But, um, apparently theircurrent owners have said they
haven't experienced anyparanormal activity.
Nannette (06:26):
I'm not buying that.
I'm not
Brad (06:29):
I am not either
Nannette (06:30):
They need to sell it.
Brad (06:32):
they do.
And it's been notorious foryears as having that activity,
Nannette (06:38):
yeah.
It's too bad.
We don't know somebody thatcould balance that house.
Brad (06:42):
right?
You should truly give them a
Nannette (06:44):
I might need to call the real estate agent
Brad (06:47):
So Marie Delphine McCarty.
Nannette (06:49):
Delphine McCarty
Brad (06:51):
Was born March 19th, 1787 to a wealthy family in New
Orleans.
These were some of the originalsettlers and they held property.
They ran plantations, they ownedslaves at the time, and they
just were that old money of NewOrleans.
So Delphine grew up in a familythat was well to do.
(07:12):
They loved to throw big parties.
Her mother was known to be justan amazing hostess who just made
sure everything was taken careof and everything was perfect.
Anytime she had a party, it saidthat she was a beautiful and
charming young lady.
And at the ripe old age of 14,she ended up getting married to
her first
Nannette (07:32):
husband.
Gross.
Yep.
14
Brad (07:34):
Super young,
Nannette (07:35):
a Joseph Smith move it.
Brad (07:36):
It kind of is, especially, especially because her husband
was a 35 year old widower namedRamon Lopez, y Angelo de
Candelaria.
Now, Ramon was an officer of theSpanish crown, so the territory
was run by the Spanish, and hewas actually second in command
(07:58):
to the Louisiana governor.
He was a big wig.
there was some power there so hehad recently lost his wife on
the journey from Spain toLouisiana, where he was assigned
by the crown.
And once he got there, you know,he jumped right into things and
started going to parties becauseobviously if you're a rich
plantation owner, you're goingto invite the politicians to
(08:21):
come to your plantation,
Nannette (08:22):
right?
Brad (08:23):
So he goes to the parties and at some point, somehow he
ends up Meeting Delphine andthat's all it took.
They, uh, apparently fell inlove or at least in lust because
they were married
Nannette (08:37):
In a
Brad (08:39):
private ceremony on June 11th, 1800.
Nannette (08:41):
1800,
Brad (08:42):
The kicker to this is Ramon had asked the Spanish
crown for permission.
To marry Delphine.
Apparently that was custom withtheir officials.
If they were going to marrysomebody who was one of the
locals in an area that they ran.
Yeah, they had to getpermission.
The crown said, no, he did itanyway.
(09:04):
And it caused some problems.
Now, the funny thing is a lot ofofficials just bypass that they
wouldn't request permission orsay anything they would just
say, Just get married.
Um, rumor has it that there wasanother guy who essentially
wanted his position and wastrying to set him up, but that's
a different story.
(09:24):
We're not going to get intothat.
Um, what happened next is fiveyears later, Ramon not only made
Delphine a mother, But a widow.
Nannette (09:38):
So he died, gave her a baby, and a widow at the same
time.
Brad (09:41):
So she ended up getting pregnant.
They had left New Orleansbecause he got in trouble.
They went to Havana where shestayed while he went to Spain.
When he came back, his boatended up hitting a sandbar off
the shores of Havana and he waskilled.
Nannette (10:01):
so Delphine couldn't have killed him.
Brad (10:03):
she didn't, no, no, no, she didn't kill him.
She had nothing to do with that.
And that was on January 11th,1805.
Now, right around that sametime, she gave birth to their
daughter.
And here's an interesting thing.
She named the daughter afterRamon's first wife who was
killed.
Nannette (10:22):
was killed.
Brad (10:25):
Yeah.
Right.
Nannette (10:27):
you wouldn't.
How do you know
Brad (10:34):
So that's husband number one.
Older man, she's 14.
He's 35.
He ends up making her a widow.
She's still just a kid.
Right.
Um,
Nannette (10:44):
19.
Yeah.
When he dies.
Brad (10:46):
yep.
The next one, because she getsmarried again, right?
So let's talk about husbandnumber two.
Now on Delphine's 20th birthday,march 19th, 1807, and just a few
weeks after her mother had died,she married a Frenchman, and a
widower again, named Jean PaulBlanc.
Nannette (11:08):
Blanc.
Okay.
Is she after the widowers?
I'm just wondering.
Brad (11:12):
almost makes you wonder that, or were the widowers after
her, because she was a younglady from an affluent family.
Nannette (11:20):
Okay.
But she's, she has kids now.
So
Brad (11:22):
She has, she does have a kid at this point, but the man
who married her.
came into the area with a bit ofan agenda.
So he was known to be a ruthlessbusinessman.
He'd been very active in theslave trade, as well as in
politics.
Uh, when they shut down theslave trade, he smuggled slaves
(11:44):
in anyway.
Nannette (11:45):
So he's dirty.
He's
Brad (11:46):
a little bit dirty.
He was actually a very closeassociate to the pirate
brothers.
Jean and Pierre Lafitte,
Nannette (11:56):
Lafitte.
Brad (11:56):
the Lafitte.
Um, so he had these close tiesto the pirates.
Now, anyone who is a piratehere, well, we look back at that
and there's, there's been all ofthese, you know, fun stories
about them and you give thiskind of glamorous, but they were
dirty.
They, uh, they had an agenda.
They were ruthless and cruel andwere.
(12:17):
In it for themselves, right?
So I imagine, and I don't havethe facts to back this up, but I
imagine he was very similar tothat.
So I would think that he sawthis young woman who was from a
rich family and went, aha, I canuse this.
Nannette (12:34):
But New Orleans isn't like a teeny tiny town.
Actually,
Brad (12:38):
it was still pretty small at the time.
It wasn't huge, but it did have.
You know, it's definite classsystems and you had some some
changes that had taken place.
So I didn't express this and andlook, this is not a history
podcast, right?
I'm not a historian by anymeans.
I'm not going to get all thisright.
But in the time that Delphinewent to Havana.
(13:03):
And came back, the Louisianapurchase had taken place and
that whole area had been sold tothe Americas.
Nannette (13:11):
that was with Napoleon,
Brad (13:12):
yes.
And so now when she goes back,she's like, oh, so the Americans
own this now and we're nowAmericans.
Nannette (13:21):
Oh, confusing.
Brad (13:22):
Right.
So, so it, it.
A lot of things took place that,you know, changes and whatnot.
Now I had mentioned that just afew weeks prior to her getting
married, her mother had died.
Her mother actually left her abig plantation with 52 slaves
with livestock, farm equipment,everything that goes with it,
(13:45):
right?
Nannette (13:46):
you imagine being in charge of taking care of that
many?
People, people,
Brad (13:50):
That's a lot of
Nannette (13:52):
that would be a huge, um, responsibility.
Brad (13:55):
Yeah, so not only did she inherit that from her mother,
but her father actually as awedding gift to the two gave
them an additional plantationand another 26 slaves.
So, she now has this large, um,property holding and, income
(14:16):
that's coming in to support thetwo of them, in addition to all
of the other business dealingsthat her husband has going on.
by 1815.
They have five children.
So she's just given birth, youknow, year after year.
So they got married in 1807 by1815.
(14:38):
They had five kiddos.
and then crazy things startedhappening, right?
So the Americas got into a warwith England, right?
And there was a famous battle,the battle of new Orleans, which
John Blanc, her husband.
Helped get the Pirates involvedin and they won this big battle
(15:00):
the Battle of New Orleans Inpart because the Pirates helped
the Americas win.
Well about a year after thatbattle though Jean Blanc passed
away and Delphine is now 28years old and she is a widow yet
again twice over With sixchildren.
(15:21):
It doesn't say I wasn't able tofind out how he died
Nannette (15:25):
look, here's
Brad (15:26):
Well, look, here's the thing when a pirate tear
mysteriously dies, there'sprobably not a lot of questions,
right?
Like, okay, he probably had aknife in his back.
Who knows?
But I don't imagine there was alot of questions about.
Yeah.
Okay.
There he goes.
The sad thing is when he died,it was found out that He was
(15:50):
deep in debt and Delphine endedup having to sell off most of
his property and some of herproperty to make up for the
debts that he owed.
Nannette (16:01):
Oh, what a jerk.
Brad (16:02):
Right now.
Nannette (16:04):
Seriously, that'd be devastating.
Brad (16:07):
Now this is also about the time when we first hear about
Delphine potentially being cruelto the enslaved people.
Under her control.
Uh, there are letters that talkabout it.
And one of the things that issaid during this time is that
some of Jean Blanc's slaves thatshe was able to retain ended up
(16:32):
dying.
It says that.
Eight of the enslaved peoplethat she now owned died in a
span of about five years, whichis unusual, um, because there
are rules and codes at the time,even that say, Hey, you have to
have a certain humane way oftreating these enslaved people.
Now, it was more of a wink, winktype of law, but they still were
(16:57):
looked down upon.
If too many of their slaves wereenslaved.
Died, right?
And so this brought some, uh,raised eyebrows and especially
since most of them who died werewomen or children.
Nannette (17:10):
It makes me, it makes me wonder because women and
children, they don't really workas hard as the men and they take
more.
So it makes you wonder if, if itjust wasn't convenient for her
to have them.
And so she mistreated them.
Brad (17:24):
Well, or were they working in the house and just displeased
her and so
Nannette (17:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and she had to have beenunder an immense amount of
stress, having all of thoseslaves and all the debt and
everything she had to take careof.
She probably was losing hermind.
And a widow double.
I don't, I don't see how shecouldn't be losing her mind.
Brad (17:47):
but I don't know how much of those marriages were like
marriages of love.
They seem like very much moremarriages of convenience,
especially with that huge agedifference.
So I don't honestly.
After knowing the atrocitiesthat she enacted on these
people, I don't want to make anyexcuses for her.
(18:08):
She's just a horrible, horrible
Nannette (18:10):
she is a horrible person, but I'm trying to figure
out when she started becominghorrible because it wasn't when
she was 14.
Like something
Brad (18:17):
or was it?
Well, it may have been when shewas younger because it is
purported that her uncle'sestate was notorious for Extreme
violence toward their slaves.
In fact, her parents had beeninvolved in a very large slave
(18:37):
uprising where they revolted I,I can't see how anyone would
Nannette (18:49):
I can't see how anyone would want to marry that then
either.
So I don't know.
It's
Brad (18:54):
So I don't know.
It's just
Nannette (19:03):
know, she was wealthy.
And so here she is.
Brad (19:07):
Available people were like, uh, in fact, the next one
went, uh,
Nannette (19:13):
A husband named, which is where, gets her
Brad (19:29):
Right.
And actually I was talking abouthusband number three because
husband number three was aFrenchman named Louis LaLaurie,
which is where Miss McCarty getsher LaLaurie name that we all
know and hear and it curdles ourblood.
Nannette (19:50):
And he was the really bad one though.
Brad (19:53):
Was he really bad?
Let's talk about
Nannette (19:55):
I'm thinking.
So,
Brad (19:57):
Dr.
Louis Lalaurie came into thepicture in 1825.
Dr.
Lalaurie studied dentistry inFrance.
Nannette (20:07):
Okay.
In those years, they like justpulled teeth.
Brad (20:09):
Yeah, pretty much like, Hey, you know what you study in
dentistry, you can do whateverelse, whatever.
So, and that's what he did.
He had it in his mind that hewas going to destroy all the
hunches.
So he was going to take thehunchbacks and straighten them
out.
Nannette (20:25):
Oh no.
That would be horrible.
Brad (20:27):
And so.
He decided, you know what, I'm adentist here, but I'm going to
go to the Americas and I amgoing to work on bones.
Nannette (20:35):
teeth or bones, right?
Brad (20:36):
Yeah, essentially.
So that is what he was known foris straightening people's backs.
Now in those times, it wasn'tlike, okay, we're going to just
lay you on the table and popyour back and now you're going
to go get a massage.
It was, we're going to put youin this machine.
That essentially looks like therack from the inquisition and
(20:57):
they would stretch people on itand they would
Nannette (21:00):
Okay, that's horrific.
Torture.
Brad (21:02):
Essentially, it's torture.
Nannette (21:04):
torture.
Brad (21:05):
And, uh, it was said that, you know, after three years,
they could be completely healedof doing these torturous
activities day after day afterday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the way that LaLaurie ends upmeeting Delphine is Delphine
actually has a daughter whoneeds her back straightened.
(21:28):
Okay.
She lost me there.
You never hurt your kids.
What a sack.
Seriously?
Right?
So LaLaurie is an older woman.
She's 38, two dead husbands,five children.
Lots of wealth.
And some people speculate that alot of different things may have
(21:49):
happened.
You know, LaLaurie came in,ended up meeting this, this
woman who threw parties and wasglamorous and they ended up
having a thing, right?
He was,
Nannette (22:03):
wasn't she a cougar too?
Brad (22:05):
she would have definitely been a cougar because he was
only 25.
So.
There was a flip flop,essentially, in that power
dynamic.
Now, she was the older one inthe relationship, but there was
a lot of speculation, like Isaid, that, you know, it was
just a, thing that wasn'tsupposed to happen, because it
is said that she actually endedup getting
Nannette (22:28):
out of wedlock.
Right.
Brad (22:32):
Which was one of those things in society that was very
frowned upon at the time.
Nannette (22:38):
in society that was very ground upon at
Brad (22:46):
lot of kids, a lot of kids, and
Nannette (22:49):
ended up getting
Brad (22:53):
right?
After she became pregnant, theyended up getting married at the
St.
Louis cathedral.
And it said that they actuallyrolled back the marriage date,
six months to cover up gettingpregnant at a wedlock.
Nannette (23:09):
I have a question, I have a question, I have a
question.
the St.
Louis Cathedral one of the otherhaunted places we're going to?
Brad (23:14):
places we're going to?
Um, it very well could be.
Did you do the research on St.
Louis
Nannette (23:18):
We were listening to it, yes, yeah, and it's the one
that's in the square.
Brad (23:22):
I'll be damned.
Well, so here's the thing.
All these
Nannette (23:26):
That just, that just clicked in my head and I'm like,
oh my gosh.
Brad (23:31):
The interesting thing there Nan is the St.
Louis Cathedral is just down thestreet from the home that Madame
Delphine Purchased on Royal andHospital Street, which would
become the infamous HauntedLaLaurie Mansion.
(23:53):
All of you are wondering whathappened?
What made this mansion haunted?
Where does this come in?
How does this story culminate?
Right?
Nannette (24:02):
Yeah, besides the crazy,
Brad (24:04):
Well, let's talk about that.
On a fateful day, April 10th,1834, a fire broke out inside
the home of LaLaurie and at thetime her estranged husband,
because they had been havingsome issues.
And in fact, she had petitionedthe courts for separation,
(24:26):
saying that, Dr.
LaLaurie treated her in such amanner as to render their living
together insupportable.
She also claimed that LaLauriehad beaten her in front of
witnesses.
Nannette (24:42):
sounds like the unhinged one then, huh?
Brad (24:45):
Perhaps, but I think they are definitely both of them in
it together.
Because, On that April day,1834, he was at the mansion when
the fire started.
Nannette (25:01):
Now,
Brad (25:03):
When the fire started, this is a new town and they
didn't have a fire department.
So all the neighbors would comeand try and help put out the
fire the best they could becausethey didn't want it to spread
throughout the city, right?
Nannette (25:14):
Yeah, because the houses are close,
Brad (25:15):
houses are close now.
It started in the kitchen area,which was separate from the main
house, and they were worried itwas going to spread.
So when neighbors started comingin, Madam LaLaurie started
directing people.
Okay, I need you to go in hereand get this and get this.
She wanted her paintings.
She wanted her fine china.
She wanted her silver.
(25:36):
She wanted all of these valuablepossessions.
Now, Her neighbor happened to bea judge, uh, jock Francois can
knows, I believe is how youwould pronounce that.
I don't know.
I don't speak French.
I'm guessing right.
All I can do is like that.
Oh,
Nannette (25:54):
Sounds French to me.
Brad (25:56):
right.
So the judge gets there and he'slike, um,
Nannette (26:01):
Hey,
Brad (26:01):
you've got slaves.
Where are the slaves?
We need to get them out of thehouse and they're like, no, no,
no, no.
Don't worry about that.
Go get our valuables.
There's all these things overhere that are valuable to us.
We need you to get those.
Well, the judge hits up Dr.
LaLaurie, who happened to bethere.
He says, Hey, dude, we gotta getyour slaves out, right?
(26:21):
Well, it's reported thatLaLaurie And there's a quote,
responded, there are those whowould be better employed if they
would attend to their ownaffairs instead of officiously
intermeddling with the concernsof other people.
Now say that in a smug Frenchaccent.
Nannette (26:41):
That's, that's pretty low.
Brad (26:43):
It's pretty low because what happens when they go in
anyway, they're like, Hey, we'regoing to go in and save these
people because we know they'rein there.
So they start kicking in doors.
Well, Upstairs, they kick in adoor because they hear screams
because people know there'ssmoke and they're going to die.
They kick in the door and Whatthey find is nothing less than
(27:06):
horrific, a macabre chamber ofhorror.
There's no other way to describeit, is essentially a torture
chamber.
Nannette (27:15):
pretty low.
Yeah.
Brad (27:17):
There are men and women inside that room, hanging from
chains, wrapped in chains.
In fact, this is where we starthearing all kinds of different
rumors and.
Different.
Tellings We don't really knowall of the facts, but there are
a lot of different stories.
Some people say that when theywent into this room, that people
(27:41):
Had bones that were broken andreset in unnatural angles.
That there were people who wereabsolutely mutilated and cut
open.
That intestines were pulled outand wrapped around people.
That, parts of skulls had beencut off people and their brains
were exposed.
Nannette (28:00):
So you're saying this doctor practiced medicine.
Brad (28:03):
He may have practiced on these people, but there are
also, there definitely soundslike they were, but there were
also stories Nan that said thatthese people were just very
malnourished and wrapped inheavy chains that they could
barely walk.
But there were reports that theywere in such bad shape that they
(28:26):
basically had to be drug out ofthere.
The fire was said to be startedby a 14 year old kitchen girl
who was a slave who was attachedto a 25 25 foot chain and
couldn't go any farther.
Apparently living with theLaLaurie's was so horrible she
would rather start the place onfire and die.
Nannette (28:48):
so sad.
Brad (28:49):
Very sad and atrocious.
It's horrible.
No matter how you look at it,
Nannette (28:54):
Those poor people.
Brad (28:56):
they were absolutely tortured.
Nannette (28:59):
horrific.
Brad (29:00):
To the point where they probably would have preferred
death and there were a couple ofthem who died even after being
saved because they were in sucha horrible condition here's
something that puts it intoperspective, Nann.
When these people startedgetting brought out of the home,
the people who were there to putout the fire became enraged.
(29:22):
They were absolutely incensedand the mob mentality came out
and they started destroyingthings.
They were out for blood.
Madame LaLaurie and Dr.
LaLaurie ended up getting into acarriage and escaping, driving
through the crowd And they
Nannette (29:39):
they escaped,
Brad (29:40):
escaped.
You would hope that Someone whowas involved in this would
actually have some sort ofretribution, right?
Like, the legal system wouldtake them and throw them in
chains the way they threw otherpeople.
Nannette (29:55):
But no,
Brad (29:55):
This is not one of those happy stories.
Nannette (29:58):
right?
They took off to Paris,
Brad (30:00):
Yes.
They escape to Paris, whereLaLaurie, Ended up dying of a
unknown disease.
I'm guessing she was just rottenfrom the inside
Nannette (30:10):
inside out.
Right.
Brad (30:12):
Exactly.
But
Nannette (30:15):
horrible
Brad (30:15):
horrible atrocities were never paid for.
And that is why it's still saidthe mansion is haunted by the
ghosts of those who died inthere and countless numbers that
no one will ever know.
No one really knows the extentof the atrocities that took
place.
Nannette (30:33):
in that home.
Now, I have two things to tellyou, though.
I looked up that the mansion isfor sale for nine million
dollars right now, but itsoriginal asking price was 10.
5.
So it's losing, they're goingdown on the amount.
So I think that that'sinteresting.
(30:54):
Additionally, um, the very firsttime we heard this story, um,
um, I have had a little girlthat keeps coming to me and
reaching out for me.
Um, and every time we talk aboutthe story, she pops up.
So I think, I think the littlegirl that was in the kitchen
that burned the place down
Brad (31:14):
is
Nannette (31:14):
the one showing up.
Brad (31:15):
Really?
Yeah.
So you think, okay, help meunderstand how that works.
I think that's a lot right now.
Nannette (31:23):
Well, if a soul is trapped in an area, What I, what
I think is interesting is whenwe sat down to do the podcast
tonight, it popped into my headand this was not my idea.
It popped into my head to reachout to the real estate agent
and, and offer, um, to balancethe house so it could be sold,
but also to help the souls crossthat wanted to.
(31:46):
And that would, that wouldanswer why I've got this little
girl that keeps following mearound.
Um, I think that she's, she'sasking for help and let's be
clear here.
We are not, um, the type ofpsychic medium people that are
going to go out and want to getscared.
We're there to help and tolearn, um, and to tell the story
of the area that it's been.
(32:07):
So, um, but it's all about loveand bringing peace to a place.
So we'll see, I guess I'll reachout to the real estate agent.
I'm a really good minder.
So I'll do that and we'll seewhat happens.
I think spirit can make a lot ofthings happen,
Brad (32:22):
things happen.
What's going to be amazingthough is to actually go to the
place where these things happenand see what that feels like.
And we're going to do exactlythat.
And once we're done there, we'llmake sure we let everybody know
Nannette (32:38):
You mean we'll return and
Brad (32:40):
we'll return and report.
This is going to be one of thehaunted places that we get to
experience in new Orleans andwe'll share.
All of the details and hopefullywe can get some up close
personal photos that we canshare on all of the social media
platforms.
Nannette (32:54):
Definitely.
Brad (32:55):
In fact, if you haven't already, please join us on
Instagram and Facebook.
Um, make sure that you like andfollow the show and tell your
friends all about it.
Um,
Nannette (33:06):
Yeah.
Help us grow and spread theword.
Um, and if you are interested inhaving an energy balance or
having a psychic medium reading,um, the links are in the show
notes and also on our socialmedia pages, or you can go to
our website, Zen energy sage.
com
Brad (33:24):
Yep.
Thank you so much.
We're so glad you joined us andwe'll see you
Nannette (33:28):
on the other side of the veil.
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