February 13, 2025 • 24 mins
Unpacking Generational Trauma, Shadow Work, and Spiritual Awakening
Welcome to the Mormon to Medium podcast! In this engaging episode, Brad and Navnette dive into the concept of generational trauma through the lens of the Mountain Meadows Massacre and its lasting impact on descendants. They discuss the transmission of negative energy, historical atrocities, and the struggle to heal from past actions. Discover how shadow work and spiritual practices can help release trapped emotions and belief systems, aiming for a more peaceful, fulfilled life. Tune in for a mix of compelling stories, insightful spiritual advice, and a touch of humor. Don't miss it!
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Brad (00:01):
Welcome to the Mormon to Medium podcast.
I'm Brad and I'm here withNanette.
And today we are going to talkabout something that came up a
few weeks ago as we weretalking.
Because we were watching thatshow American Primeval.
Do you remember that?
Nannette (00:18):
you remember that?
Brad (00:19):
And what we were talking about is like all of the
ancestors from those people whocommitted those atrocities
during the Mountain MeadowsMassacre.
And we talked a little bit.
Amongst each other.
Amongst each other is reallyjust you and I uh, with each
(00:40):
other about how muchgenerational trauma, something
like that passes down.
Nannette (00:47):
right?
Energy is energy.
And so you've got theperpetrators that put this on
and then they pass that energyonto their ancestors, which are
millions of people by now.
So interestingly, all thesepeople carry this kind of
energy.
Brad (01:01):
Yeah, which has got to be something that just bubbles up
at the most random times, right?
So like, you're just goingthroughout your day and can you
imagine having that, that guiltof going, wow, I did these
horrible things.
I am not a good person followingyou around, but not being your
shit
Nannette (01:21):
Or on the flip side, what if it's, you really are a
shitty person, you know, and,and you were the perpetrator of
these murders.
And then you hand down thatshitty person energy down to
your ancestors, they literallyare psychopaths.
They're literally,
Brad (01:39):
So you're, so, so,
Nannette (01:40):
it's, it could be both sides,
Brad (01:42):
Got it.
So, so somebody might be going,wait, I am such a shitty person.
Why am I a shitty person?
And trace it all the way backthrough their
Nannette (01:51):
It might be interesting to see how many of
the millions of people that areancestors from the perpetrators
of the Mountain MeadowsMassacre, how many of them have
actually become criminals.
Brad (02:00):
That is an interesting point.
You know, I, here's my thoughtwith it.
I think a lot of them wereliterally just doing what they
were commanded to do by theirreligious leaders.
Right.
And, and so they thought theywere in the right, but that
still has got to eat you upinside going, I literally just
shot this person in the head.
Nannette (02:21):
And see, I, I can never, I don't, I don't care
what time of life or, you know,what year or whatever.
If somebody tells you to murdersomeone in cold blood like that,
there's got to be a moralcompass that all of us have as
souls to know that it's not theright thing.
Like you have to go through thatstruggle and make a decision.
(02:42):
to be like, I'm going to do it.
I'm doing this and I'm on boardwith this just because I want to
be accepted by this group orwhatever the reason is, you know
what I mean?
But there has to be a point ofaccountability to where they
made that choice.
Flip, flip to switch.
And we're like, yeah, I'mcomfortable killing all these
Brad (03:02):
Yeah, they had to own it at some point, but if you think
about it, though, there reallywas a big push of an us versus
them within the Mormon communityat the time.
So, and we've talked aboutMountain Meadows a couple of
different times on the show, butthere was that push, right?
Hey, we've got Johnson's armycoming in and they're going to
destroy us and kill us.
(03:24):
And we've got to start savingall of our provisions for war
and start prepping for it.
essentially there was zeroprophetic ability that came out
during that time period.
Honestly,
Nannette (03:35):
Honestly, how is that different than nowadays?
Like, we're still living byfear.
We're still, except for now,instead of the army coming,
Christ is coming.
So, like, it's literally a fearmongering thing that the church
does to get people to makeaction, um, to benefit them.
Brad (03:52):
do you know what?
That's, that's a valid point.
You're right.
Because that is the big thing.
You know, the funny thing is, Iremember my grandma telling me
that when she was a little girl,they were telling her, yes,
we're in the latter days and youare such a blessed generation.
Nannette (04:10):
Oh, I heard that in the eighties.
Seriously.
Like that's all they ever talked
Brad (04:14):
It was like the same rhetoric over and over again.
Nannette (04:17):
Yeah.
Brad (04:19):
But yeah, the, the, the prophetic, you know, abilities
of the, the presidents of thechurch, the prophets, the
leaders, um, that doesn't seemto be very prophetic because
they're not really giving us anyprophecy.
Nannette (04:32):
Well, and you can see them coming from a mile away
because the gaslight in thisexact same way as they They boss
people around in the exact sameways and everything's about fear
all Hinging on something theyhave nothing to control about
it's all hinging on yourafterlife that they don't know
zip about and Neither do youunless you've done your
spiritual work, and then youprobably know more than they do
Brad (04:55):
Well, but it's terrifying.
Right?
And that's, that's how they usethat control to get people to do
Exactly.
Heinous things like murdering a,a group of defenseless pioneers.
So with that.
Can you explain a little bitabout what generational trauma
(05:16):
really is?
Nannette (05:18):
Well, generational trauma, it can, it can be a
couple of things.
It can actually be an act ofsomething.
So for example, if there's rapeenergy, it can go through the
women in a generational line,rape energy handed down from
generation to generation andgeneration, and you'll have a
whole family full of women thathave all been raped.
(05:39):
That type of thing, or I mean,you're talking about a massacre.
You've got that massacre energy.
You've got that murder energyand, um, you will probably have
a whole line of family membersthat carry that energy.
And that's what I'm saying is Iwonder how many of them have
committed a crime or, um, beenpsychopaths or, do you know what
(06:00):
I mean?
It would be really interesting.
I don't know how you'd find thatout, but it'd be really, really
interesting to, um, Delve intothat and see that lineage and,
um, kind of what their energyhas done.
Now there is a way to releasethat energy and have it no
longer a part of you or futuregenerations, but it's, it's hard
shadow work and it's work thatyou have to sit with and process
(06:22):
and let go of and release.
But, um.
It's the same kind of energy,whether it's a belief system or
an action or whatever, you know,you can have belief systems that
run through generations to ofI'm not worthy or, you know,
I've seen it handed down forfive generations.
I'm not worthy.
I'm not worthy.
I'm not worthy.
And then I have a client layingon my table saying.
(06:45):
I've never felt like I'm worthy,but I don't know where it comes
Brad (06:48):
Right.
Nannette (06:49):
And then you find, you balance them and find out that
it's four generations back thatit came from a grandfather on
this side.
And then it makes sense becauseit's like, yeah, that's how you
used to act.
And then, then my father actedlike this.
And now I do that makes sensetype of thing.
So I think it's the same, sametrauma, trapped emotion, so it
(07:10):
can be, So it can be a trappedemotion, a trapped old belief
system, or a trapped trauma.
Either way, there are the beaverdams and the energy, and it's
generational.
It can be handed down from onegeneration to the next.
Energy is energy.
Brad (07:23):
energy.
Got it.
So, you talk about there areways to release that, and you
talk about shadow work, which isa super popular term right now,
right?
A lot of people are like, oh,you gotta do your shadow work.
If you haven't done your shadowwork, you're not healing.
Nannette (07:37):
my gosh.
Brad (07:39):
so, before we go into other ways of releasing, what do
you mean when you say shadowwork?
What does that define like foryou?
Nannette (07:49):
You know, from what I have seen him from the
experiences with my clients andwith myself, shadow work is the
parts of you that you want tokeep recessed in the shadows
that you don't want to talkabout the parts of you that give
you those Old belief systems,those hidden emotions, um, that
I'm not loved.
I'm not wanted.
(08:09):
I'm nothing.
I'm not smart.
You know, all those things thatcould come from generational
stuff or it could come from anexperience that you've had, you
know, from the eyes of a smallchild, um, all of our
perceptions are different.
So you can have something happento you.
Let's, let's say you're, um, injunior high school and you get
tripped down the hall andeverybody laughs at you and your
(08:30):
books go flying.
It's completely humiliating.
Which you equal that to meansomething about you.
Right?
So you beat yourself up for therest of your life because you
feel like you're not worthy.
Um, you have no friends, youknow, do you know what I mean?
So from the perspective of achild, you see those things in
the equal.
This belief system, so it couldbe something that happens to you
(08:53):
at three years old where you gotbeat up or whatever, and you
have a perspective as a threeyear old that will give you that
belief system, right?
So depending on whatever age itis, you'll bring it through your
life and carry that beliefsystem with you throughout your
life, and it'll show up everyonce in a while.
Um, And you kind of just don'tunderstand why or where or
(09:14):
whatever, but yeah, you can, youcan release those things, body,
mind, and soul, and have it nolonger be a part of you.
And then when you do that, youno longer feel that way about
yourself.
Brad (09:23):
Got it.
So the shadow work is literallyjust addressing those dark
recesses of your mind that say,Hey, keep this hidden away in
this box because it hurt.
Nannette (09:33):
Be ashamed.
You should be ashamed.
You know, you don't want peopleto see this part of you because
it's a horrible, embarrassingpart of you.
And when you do your shadowwork, I call it sitting in your
shit.
Um, you pull it out, you findout what it is and what happened
and who was involved and you sitwith it and you understand it.
And then all of a sudden whenyou sit with it long enough, you
(09:54):
begin to love it.
And that's when you becomeunfuckable with, because
literally there's no shameassociated anymore.
It's just something thatsomebody did that was mean.
Do you know what I mean?
It's no longer equals, I'm notwanted or loved and I don't
belong.
It's, that person was just beinga dick because he felt shitty
about himself.
Brad (10:11):
Gotcha.
Nannette (10:12):
Now I give a different perspective and the healing can
take place.
So yeah, shadow work is sittingin your shit, and learning to
love it, and then standing upand Crawling out of it.
And that's when you, when you dothat, the, the whole fills in
and it's no longer there.
And then you become unfuckablewith
Brad (10:29):
Got it.
So what are the steps to take tostart doing that?
Because I mean, you talk aboutit so cavalier, like, ah, it's
no big deal, but it's notsomething that it's just going
to happen easily.
What are the steps?
So if I wanted to go do myshadow work, what do you tell me
to do?
Or how do I, how do I even startor begin to address those deep
seated?
(10:51):
Emotions and feelings.
Nannette (10:52):
I think, I think a really good way to do it is
journaling.
You can journal about how youfeel about yourself and then
kind of just break it down.
Like where did this beliefsystem come from?
You know, and if you don't know,there's um, balances for that,
that we can find out where itcame from and why it's there.
Brad (11:08):
catchphrase, there's a balance for
Nannette (11:09):
that.
There's literally guys, there'sliterally thousands of balances.
I have balances for so manythings, nearly everything.
The body can completely healitself.
A hundred percent.
I have zero doubts.
It's just.
How long has the dis ease beenthere?
How long has a beaver down beenthere?
If it's been there forgenerations, it might take a
minute.
Do you know what I mean?
But I think, I think reallygetting in touch with your
(11:31):
emotions, really getting sittingin it and being like, why, why?
Have I always, um, attractedthese type of men, for example?
I've had some, some crappymarriages, some crappy
relationships.
I look back on it now, and thisNan, would never be with the
(11:52):
people that I was married to ordated.
Like, ever.
Besides Cory.
Like, I, I literally That's justwhere I was then.
And it
Brad (12:03):
because I was
Nannette (12:04):
desperately looking for acceptance and love, and I,
um, there's reasons for that.
So when you sit in your shape,you, you have to look at the
reasons why you did things andthen figure it out and then give
yourself grace because you weredoing the very best you can with
the tools you had at the time.
Brad (12:20):
Right.
Well, I definitely know that.
I have been lucky to witness youbecome the best version of Nan.
No, seriously,
Nannette (12:29):
you.
Brad (12:30):
I'm the guy who's like, Oh yeah, because of all that other
bullshit, she's become thisamazing woman and I get to reap
the benefits.
So that's super cool.
Nannette (12:39):
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Well, I definitely wouldn't bethe SNAN without that, Brad.
Brad (12:45):
Oh, it's kind of a, a growing situation.
As you've healed that and youwent, okay, now here's how we
deal with our shadow work andhere's what I, I can do to do
this.
What's the next step?
Nannette (12:57):
Um, as you start to heal, what happens is, as with
other things in the universe,when you move things out, like
when you clean house and you
Brad (13:05):
do your spring
Nannette (13:06):
cleaning, you make room for new things to grow in
place of that.
So if we clean up our yard andwe do our spring cleaning, it
makes room for new flowers togrow, right?
And things grow better andthey're more beautiful and
vibrant.
Um, it's the same thing withcleaning your home, um, same
thing with cleaning your spirit.
You, you clean house, you getrid of the shadow work, you sit
with it, you understand it.
(13:27):
And there's room for so muchlight in there.
Then you start to step into yourspirituality, you start to step
in to who you are
Brad (13:35):
as a
Nannette (13:36):
a spirit, having a human experience.
And that's a very powerful,beautiful place to be.
Because then you're starting to,you know, start starting to grow
your clairs.
You're starting to work with theother side a whole lot.
You're starting to be moresensitive and seeing people from
a spiritual experience.
Perspective
Brad (13:54):
Okay.
Nannette (13:55):
instead of seeing them as a human.
Does that make sense?
So you give a lot of grace wheresometimes grace isn't really,
um, warranted, you know, lookingfrom your injured eyes, you'd be
like, no, they told me I wasthis horrible person because I
believe this way.
You know, when in actualitythey're looking through the lens
(14:15):
of fear and you start to see, ohmy God.
They're, afraid.
Brad (14:19):
Well, it's, it's hard to see perspectives, right?
We like to see our ownperspective because that's
what's comfortable and familiar.
And sometimes it's hard to lookfrom other people's perspectives
and go, wow, what were theythinking when they said this or
did this or acted that way?
Um, so yeah, I, I think you'vegot something big there.
Perspectives are important.
Nannette (14:37):
They are important.
And that's the thing.
When you do your shadow work,you're not in your way anymore.
You can, your perspective ismore clear and you're seeing
things from a spirit'sperspective.
And so there isn't thatjudgment.
There isn't that bias.
There isn't your own pain in theway of the way you see other
people.
You just see them on theirjourney and you have to honor
them there, even though it'sreally hard to see them stooping
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and you know that they could dobetter.
You have to let them.
find out their journey and worktheir journey.
And I think that's the hardestpart is for being healed and,
uh, and walking that path is youwant everybody to see how
awesome they are
Brad (15:13):
Right.
Nannette (15:14):
and not everybody wants to see how awesome they
are.
Sometimes people love theirpain.
Brad (15:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It gets, it gets comfortable andchange is hard.
We all hate change.
But.
It, it's something that'snecessary.
So we've worked on our, ourshadow work and we've healed our
own or some of our own bullshit,right?
It's always continuously going.
Um, so the next step, how do weheal that generational trauma?
(15:39):
That's not our bullshit.
And you know, we've said in thisand we've gone, Oh, I've done
all this shadow work and I'vedone all this stuff and I still
have this feeling of that I'm adisappointment to everyone
around me.
How do you recognize, okay?
That's.
That's not mine.
That's someone else's.
And maybe this is somegenerational trauma that I've
got to work through.
Nannette (15:59):
Well, like I always say, there's a balance for that.
Um, and during an energy balancewe can find out exactly, you
know, who it's coming from andyou can release that.
A lot of times we'll surrogatepeople in our family too.
Brad (16:14):
let's say
Nannette (16:15):
you're super, super close to your mom and your mom
has a certain belief system andshe constantly rips people down
or is constantly negative andyou tend to surrogate her
because you look up to her andshe's your mom and you want to
be just like her even though shehas these qualities that aren't
so.
Likeable.
And then you start to act likeher instead of acting like you.
(16:37):
And it can happen to a lot ofpeople in a lot of different
families that have come from,you know, low, low vibing, toxic
type families.
So, um, it's, it's reallyinteresting and energy work to
find out, you know, am Isurrogating someone else?
Do I want to be someone else?
And I don't want to be me.
Am I even me?
You know, and then, and thenbeing able to step into your own
truth and light, because thisearth is our school.
(16:59):
We're supposed to be learning.
And if we're not learning, we'regetting an F.
Brad (17:02):
Right.
Nannette (17:03):
Plain and simple.
You don't want that.
Brad (17:06):
you don't want to have to retake I'd rather be done.
Nannette (17:09):
Yeah.
Coming from an old soul.
Hello.
That's done this lots of times.
Yeah.
Brad (17:15):
Yeah, I've fucked up a lot.
Nannette (17:16):
Yeah.
done fucking up.
Brad (17:21):
Yeah.
It's
Nannette (17:22):
time to find joy and peace.
And, um, I, I want that foreveryone.
That's the hardest part of myjob is seeing people that don't
see the light in themselves.
And they just want to go downthe pain aisle.
You know, I'm going to take thatpain and that one and that one
and that one and that one andall those pills.
And that's how I'm going to livemy life.
(17:44):
And it's like, but you can healthis and you don't have to have
all those things
Brad (17:48):
So when you get someone on your table and you are working
on that stuff, what happens?
How, how do you know, how dothey know when they're starting
to tap into that generationaltrauma and they're helping to
move it along?
when, um,
Nannette (18:03):
um, I tune in to my clients before I balance them, I
always ask for, um, spirits fromtheir side, their ancestors, um,
to come forward if they'd liketo help with this balance.
And 99 percent of the time, ifit's generational stuff, they
will show up at the end of thetable and I will see
Brad (18:21):
Well, okay.
I think you touched on somethingthat's super important to
clarify.
So with your modality ofhealing,
Nannette (18:30):
Yes.
Brad (18:30):
not everyone has the psychic and medium.
Abilities.
that you do.
And so you incorporate that intoyour healings and into your
touch for health and yourkinergetics into whatever it is
that you're utilizing versusmost people who just go through
the functions of the modality.
So it's very different thanwhat.
(18:52):
You might get with anotherpractitioner.
Nannette (18:54):
But it's who I am.
So why, why would I not use itwhen I'm doing energy work?
You know what I mean?
Like, um, whether I'm working ornot, I'm always in tune with
spirit.
I'm always getting the download.
I'm always getting the warningsand all the things.
So, um, why, why would I turn itoff just to do an energy balance
when I get energies energy andif I can take advantage of your
(19:14):
grandmother's energy to help youheal as well as mine, as well as
yours, why would I not?
Brad (19:20):
Right,
Nannette (19:21):
It's such a huge blessing.
And if it's generational, youcan move that energy out for
your grandmother.
and they release it too.
So you actually do a doublehealing,
Brad (19:30):
Oh, well,
Nannette (19:31):
is really
Brad (19:31):
let's get into that a little bit more.
Talk about moving that out andhow, like I said, how do you
know, and I interrupted youbecause this is different, but
you were talking about how youwill tune into people.
I,
Nannette (19:43):
I usually, um, will tune into people because a lot
of times I don't know who'scoming through my doors and
they're coming to my home.
And so I tune into them to seewhat kind of people they are and
kind of what I'm dealing with.
Brad (19:53):
And
Nannette (19:54):
spirit will show me exactly what's going on.
I've had like two times out ofall the times that I've done
balances and stuff.
I've had two times where thepeople were not good energy and
I've turned them away and toldthem that they need to find
someone else.
And I gave them their moneyback.
But most of the time, um,everything's great.
And like I said, 99 percent ofthe time if I even, Tune into
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them.
They'll like, they'll follow mearound all morning.
I know that it's going to be agenerational thing and that
they're going to be able to helpheal some generational things.
So um, it's, it's really, reallycool, but I can always, you
could bet money if they show up,I can tell you exactly who they
are, what they look like.
I don't know what emotionscoming through or what trauma is
coming through yet, but I knowthat it's going to be a
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generational thing and thatperson that I'm working on has
it from that
Brad (20:42):
Interesting.
Nannette (20:43):
you can, you could bet money on it, take it to the
bank.
Brad (20:45):
Well, and it would make sense that those ancestors would
come through because they wantto help us.
They want to help us through.
They're part of our, our team,as you say all the time, right?
So they want to be here to helpus.
So that
Nannette (20:57):
Well, and I asked them to, if they have any, if they
want to help in this, I askedthem to, um, cause most of the
time my clients are tapping intotheir own spiritual gifts.
Anyway, remember how I said, asyou sit with your shadow work,
you move out the old and makeroom for the new so that that
makes room for your ownspirituality.
That makes room for your ownconnection to the other side to
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be happening effortlessly.
Um, many times they'll feel themstanding right next to them.
They'll get the full bodychills.
They'll be like, look, I'm like,I know this is who it is.
And this is what they look like.
And this is who they say theyare.
And they'll be like, Oh my gosh,yes.
Or they'll send me pictures whenthey get home.
Is this who was by my, thetable?
And I'll be like, it was thisperson or whatever.
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It's fascinating.
But you could, like I said, youcould, you could count on it.
If they come through and theyshow up, they're part of the
healing too.
They get a balance too.
Brad (21:49):
too.
Got it.
So, long story short, ifsomebody out there has a long
past relative who was part ofthe Mountain Meadows Massacre,
they should come to you atZenergy and get a balance.
And heal that shit and get it tomove along and become their best
self without that generationaltrauma.
Nannette (22:10):
Right.
And that's haunting energy.
That, that would be, that'd besome heavy stuff, probably
cursed energy, I would say.
Brad (22:19):
Yeah.
Nannette (22:20):
Like probably bad things happen to these people
because karma is a bitch and shealways gets paid.
So I would imagine that theselineages, lineages, is that the
right word?
Lineage?
Lineage?
I don't know.
It's been a long day.
Anyways, you know what I'msaying?
Um, I, I imagine that.
They have some bad karma comingback to them.
(22:41):
They probably had bad thingshappen to them.
They feel like, um, uh, they hadbad luck maybe in their life.
Um, they're low vibers and Idon't, I don't know that I'd
want that.
So yeah, that, that would betough.
Definitely.
Get balanced in really sad shit.
Not worth it.
Brad (23:00):
No, that makes sense.
So, so what, uh, what advice doyou have to people for the week?
Nannette (23:06):
my goodness.
I think, I think a lot of peopleare starting to wake up and I'm
not talking about woke up.
I'm talking about wake upspiritually.
Um, but they're having an issuewith so much going on around us
that they get caught up in thefreeway in their head.
So remember to get quiet and I'mnot talking just sit in a chair
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and be quiet.
I'm talking, get quiet with yoursoul, get quiet inside and
listen, just.
Just get a little sip of yourspirit and be you know, where am
I at right now?
What do I need to learn rightnow?
Kind of touch into yourself andfeel what's going on and what
you need to be doing.
(23:48):
Um, your intuition will kick inand you'll, you'll be able to
know.
And not to mention, I mean, youdo stuff like that.
You're going to sleep better.
You're going to think better.
Get those, that brain workingbetter.
So everything's just better.
So that would be it witheverything that's going around
all the confusion in the brain,get quiet because that's where
you find truth.
Brad (24:06):
truth.
I think that's fantastic adviceand exactly what all of us need
more of.
Thank you so much.
I love talking to you.
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Thank you so much.
And thank you everyone forlistening and joining in each
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Nannette (24:34):
other side of the veil.
Welcome to the Mormon to Medium podcast.
I'm Brad and I'm here withNanette.
And today we are going to talkabout something that came up a
few weeks ago as we weretalking.
Because we were watching thatshow American Primeval.
Do you remember that?
Nannette (00:18):
you remember that?
Brad (00:19):
And what we were talking about is like all of the
ancestors from those people whocommitted those atrocities
during the Mountain MeadowsMassacre.
And we talked a little bit.
Amongst each other.
Amongst each other is reallyjust you and I uh, with each
(00:40):
other about how muchgenerational trauma, something
like that passes down.
Nannette (00:47):
right?
Energy is energy.
And so you've got theperpetrators that put this on
and then they pass that energyonto their ancestors, which are
millions of people by now.
So interestingly, all thesepeople carry this kind of
energy.
Brad (01:01):
Yeah, which has got to be something that just bubbles up
at the most random times, right?
So like, you're just goingthroughout your day and can you
imagine having that, that guiltof going, wow, I did these
horrible things.
I am not a good person followingyou around, but not being your
shit
Nannette (01:21):
Or on the flip side, what if it's, you really are a
shitty person, you know, and,and you were the perpetrator of
these murders.
And then you hand down thatshitty person energy down to
your ancestors, they literallyare psychopaths.
They're literally,
Brad (01:39):
So you're, so, so,
Nannette (01:40):
it's, it could be both sides,
Brad (01:42):
Got it.
So, so somebody might be going,wait, I am such a shitty person.
Why am I a shitty person?
And trace it all the way backthrough their
Nannette (01:51):
It might be interesting to see how many of
the millions of people that areancestors from the perpetrators
of the Mountain MeadowsMassacre, how many of them have
actually become criminals.
Brad (02:00):
That is an interesting point.
You know, I, here's my thoughtwith it.
I think a lot of them wereliterally just doing what they
were commanded to do by theirreligious leaders.
Right.
And, and so they thought theywere in the right, but that
still has got to eat you upinside going, I literally just
shot this person in the head.
Nannette (02:21):
And see, I, I can never, I don't, I don't care
what time of life or, you know,what year or whatever.
If somebody tells you to murdersomeone in cold blood like that,
there's got to be a moralcompass that all of us have as
souls to know that it's not theright thing.
Like you have to go through thatstruggle and make a decision.
(02:42):
to be like, I'm going to do it.
I'm doing this and I'm on boardwith this just because I want to
be accepted by this group orwhatever the reason is, you know
what I mean?
But there has to be a point ofaccountability to where they
made that choice.
Flip, flip to switch.
And we're like, yeah, I'mcomfortable killing all these
Brad (03:02):
Yeah, they had to own it at some point, but if you think
about it, though, there reallywas a big push of an us versus
them within the Mormon communityat the time.
So, and we've talked aboutMountain Meadows a couple of
different times on the show, butthere was that push, right?
Hey, we've got Johnson's armycoming in and they're going to
destroy us and kill us.
(03:24):
And we've got to start savingall of our provisions for war
and start prepping for it.
essentially there was zeroprophetic ability that came out
during that time period.
Honestly,
Nannette (03:35):
Honestly, how is that different than nowadays?
Like, we're still living byfear.
We're still, except for now,instead of the army coming,
Christ is coming.
So, like, it's literally a fearmongering thing that the church
does to get people to makeaction, um, to benefit them.
Brad (03:52):
do you know what?
That's, that's a valid point.
You're right.
Because that is the big thing.
You know, the funny thing is, Iremember my grandma telling me
that when she was a little girl,they were telling her, yes,
we're in the latter days and youare such a blessed generation.
Nannette (04:10):
Oh, I heard that in the eighties.
Seriously.
Like that's all they ever talked
Brad (04:14):
It was like the same rhetoric over and over again.
Nannette (04:17):
Yeah.
Brad (04:19):
But yeah, the, the, the prophetic, you know, abilities
of the, the presidents of thechurch, the prophets, the
leaders, um, that doesn't seemto be very prophetic because
they're not really giving us anyprophecy.
Nannette (04:32):
Well, and you can see them coming from a mile away
because the gaslight in thisexact same way as they They boss
people around in the exact sameways and everything's about fear
all Hinging on something theyhave nothing to control about
it's all hinging on yourafterlife that they don't know
zip about and Neither do youunless you've done your
spiritual work, and then youprobably know more than they do
Brad (04:55):
Well, but it's terrifying.
Right?
And that's, that's how they usethat control to get people to do
Exactly.
Heinous things like murdering a,a group of defenseless pioneers.
So with that.
Can you explain a little bitabout what generational trauma
(05:16):
really is?
Nannette (05:18):
Well, generational trauma, it can, it can be a
couple of things.
It can actually be an act ofsomething.
So for example, if there's rapeenergy, it can go through the
women in a generational line,rape energy handed down from
generation to generation andgeneration, and you'll have a
whole family full of women thathave all been raped.
(05:39):
That type of thing, or I mean,you're talking about a massacre.
You've got that massacre energy.
You've got that murder energyand, um, you will probably have
a whole line of family membersthat carry that energy.
And that's what I'm saying is Iwonder how many of them have
committed a crime or, um, beenpsychopaths or, do you know what
(06:00):
I mean?
It would be really interesting.
I don't know how you'd find thatout, but it'd be really, really
interesting to, um, Delve intothat and see that lineage and,
um, kind of what their energyhas done.
Now there is a way to releasethat energy and have it no
longer a part of you or futuregenerations, but it's, it's hard
shadow work and it's work thatyou have to sit with and process
(06:22):
and let go of and release.
But, um.
It's the same kind of energy,whether it's a belief system or
an action or whatever, you know,you can have belief systems that
run through generations to ofI'm not worthy or, you know,
I've seen it handed down forfive generations.
I'm not worthy.
I'm not worthy.
I'm not worthy.
And then I have a client layingon my table saying.
(06:45):
I've never felt like I'm worthy,but I don't know where it comes
Brad (06:48):
Right.
Nannette (06:49):
And then you find, you balance them and find out that
it's four generations back thatit came from a grandfather on
this side.
And then it makes sense becauseit's like, yeah, that's how you
used to act.
And then, then my father actedlike this.
And now I do that makes sensetype of thing.
So I think it's the same, sametrauma, trapped emotion, so it
(07:10):
can be, So it can be a trappedemotion, a trapped old belief
system, or a trapped trauma.
Either way, there are the beaverdams and the energy, and it's
generational.
It can be handed down from onegeneration to the next.
Energy is energy.
Brad (07:23):
energy.
Got it.
So, you talk about there areways to release that, and you
talk about shadow work, which isa super popular term right now,
right?
A lot of people are like, oh,you gotta do your shadow work.
If you haven't done your shadowwork, you're not healing.
Nannette (07:37):
my gosh.
Brad (07:39):
so, before we go into other ways of releasing, what do
you mean when you say shadowwork?
What does that define like foryou?
Nannette (07:49):
You know, from what I have seen him from the
experiences with my clients andwith myself, shadow work is the
parts of you that you want tokeep recessed in the shadows
that you don't want to talkabout the parts of you that give
you those Old belief systems,those hidden emotions, um, that
I'm not loved.
I'm not wanted.
(08:09):
I'm nothing.
I'm not smart.
You know, all those things thatcould come from generational
stuff or it could come from anexperience that you've had, you
know, from the eyes of a smallchild, um, all of our
perceptions are different.
So you can have something happento you.
Let's, let's say you're, um, injunior high school and you get
tripped down the hall andeverybody laughs at you and your
(08:30):
books go flying.
It's completely humiliating.
Which you equal that to meansomething about you.
Right?
So you beat yourself up for therest of your life because you
feel like you're not worthy.
Um, you have no friends, youknow, do you know what I mean?
So from the perspective of achild, you see those things in
the equal.
This belief system, so it couldbe something that happens to you
(08:53):
at three years old where you gotbeat up or whatever, and you
have a perspective as a threeyear old that will give you that
belief system, right?
So depending on whatever age itis, you'll bring it through your
life and carry that beliefsystem with you throughout your
life, and it'll show up everyonce in a while.
Um, And you kind of just don'tunderstand why or where or
(09:14):
whatever, but yeah, you can, youcan release those things, body,
mind, and soul, and have it nolonger be a part of you.
And then when you do that, youno longer feel that way about
yourself.
Brad (09:23):
Got it.
So the shadow work is literallyjust addressing those dark
recesses of your mind that say,Hey, keep this hidden away in
this box because it hurt.
Nannette (09:33):
Be ashamed.
You should be ashamed.
You know, you don't want peopleto see this part of you because
it's a horrible, embarrassingpart of you.
And when you do your shadowwork, I call it sitting in your
shit.
Um, you pull it out, you findout what it is and what happened
and who was involved and you sitwith it and you understand it.
And then all of a sudden whenyou sit with it long enough, you
(09:54):
begin to love it.
And that's when you becomeunfuckable with, because
literally there's no shameassociated anymore.
It's just something thatsomebody did that was mean.
Do you know what I mean?
It's no longer equals, I'm notwanted or loved and I don't
belong.
It's, that person was just beinga dick because he felt shitty
about himself.
Brad (10:11):
Gotcha.
Nannette (10:12):
Now I give a different perspective and the healing can
take place.
So yeah, shadow work is sittingin your shit, and learning to
love it, and then standing upand Crawling out of it.
And that's when you, when you dothat, the, the whole fills in
and it's no longer there.
And then you become unfuckablewith
Brad (10:29):
Got it.
So what are the steps to take tostart doing that?
Because I mean, you talk aboutit so cavalier, like, ah, it's
no big deal, but it's notsomething that it's just going
to happen easily.
What are the steps?
So if I wanted to go do myshadow work, what do you tell me
to do?
Or how do I, how do I even startor begin to address those deep
seated?
(10:51):
Emotions and feelings.
Nannette (10:52):
I think, I think a really good way to do it is
journaling.
You can journal about how youfeel about yourself and then
kind of just break it down.
Like where did this beliefsystem come from?
You know, and if you don't know,there's um, balances for that,
that we can find out where itcame from and why it's there.
Brad (11:08):
catchphrase, there's a balance for
Nannette (11:09):
that.
There's literally guys, there'sliterally thousands of balances.
I have balances for so manythings, nearly everything.
The body can completely healitself.
A hundred percent.
I have zero doubts.
It's just.
How long has the dis ease beenthere?
How long has a beaver down beenthere?
If it's been there forgenerations, it might take a
minute.
Do you know what I mean?
But I think, I think reallygetting in touch with your
(11:31):
emotions, really getting sittingin it and being like, why, why?
Have I always, um, attractedthese type of men, for example?
I've had some, some crappymarriages, some crappy
relationships.
I look back on it now, and thisNan, would never be with the
(11:52):
people that I was married to ordated.
Like, ever.
Besides Cory.
Like, I, I literally That's justwhere I was then.
And it
Brad (12:03):
because I was
Nannette (12:04):
desperately looking for acceptance and love, and I,
um, there's reasons for that.
So when you sit in your shape,you, you have to look at the
reasons why you did things andthen figure it out and then give
yourself grace because you weredoing the very best you can with
the tools you had at the time.
Brad (12:20):
Right.
Well, I definitely know that.
I have been lucky to witness youbecome the best version of Nan.
No, seriously,
Nannette (12:29):
you.
Brad (12:30):
I'm the guy who's like, Oh yeah, because of all that other
bullshit, she's become thisamazing woman and I get to reap
the benefits.
So that's super cool.
Nannette (12:39):
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Well, I definitely wouldn't bethe SNAN without that, Brad.
Brad (12:45):
Oh, it's kind of a, a growing situation.
As you've healed that and youwent, okay, now here's how we
deal with our shadow work andhere's what I, I can do to do
this.
What's the next step?
Nannette (12:57):
Um, as you start to heal, what happens is, as with
other things in the universe,when you move things out, like
when you clean house and you
Brad (13:05):
do your spring
Nannette (13:06):
cleaning, you make room for new things to grow in
place of that.
So if we clean up our yard andwe do our spring cleaning, it
makes room for new flowers togrow, right?
And things grow better andthey're more beautiful and
vibrant.
Um, it's the same thing withcleaning your home, um, same
thing with cleaning your spirit.
You, you clean house, you getrid of the shadow work, you sit
with it, you understand it.
(13:27):
And there's room for so muchlight in there.
Then you start to step into yourspirituality, you start to step
in to who you are
Brad (13:35):
as a
Nannette (13:36):
a spirit, having a human experience.
And that's a very powerful,beautiful place to be.
Because then you're starting to,you know, start starting to grow
your clairs.
You're starting to work with theother side a whole lot.
You're starting to be moresensitive and seeing people from
a spiritual experience.
Perspective
Brad (13:54):
Okay.
Nannette (13:55):
instead of seeing them as a human.
Does that make sense?
So you give a lot of grace wheresometimes grace isn't really,
um, warranted, you know, lookingfrom your injured eyes, you'd be
like, no, they told me I wasthis horrible person because I
believe this way.
You know, when in actualitythey're looking through the lens
(14:15):
of fear and you start to see, ohmy God.
They're, afraid.
Brad (14:19):
Well, it's, it's hard to see perspectives, right?
We like to see our ownperspective because that's
what's comfortable and familiar.
And sometimes it's hard to lookfrom other people's perspectives
and go, wow, what were theythinking when they said this or
did this or acted that way?
Um, so yeah, I, I think you'vegot something big there.
Perspectives are important.
Nannette (14:37):
They are important.
And that's the thing.
When you do your shadow work,you're not in your way anymore.
You can, your perspective ismore clear and you're seeing
things from a spirit'sperspective.
And so there isn't thatjudgment.
There isn't that bias.
There isn't your own pain in theway of the way you see other
people.
You just see them on theirjourney and you have to honor
them there, even though it'sreally hard to see them stooping
(14:59):
and you know that they could dobetter.
You have to let them.
find out their journey and worktheir journey.
And I think that's the hardestpart is for being healed and,
uh, and walking that path is youwant everybody to see how
awesome they are
Brad (15:13):
Right.
Nannette (15:14):
and not everybody wants to see how awesome they
are.
Sometimes people love theirpain.
Brad (15:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It gets, it gets comfortable andchange is hard.
We all hate change.
But.
It, it's something that'snecessary.
So we've worked on our, ourshadow work and we've healed our
own or some of our own bullshit,right?
It's always continuously going.
Um, so the next step, how do weheal that generational trauma?
(15:39):
That's not our bullshit.
And you know, we've said in thisand we've gone, Oh, I've done
all this shadow work and I'vedone all this stuff and I still
have this feeling of that I'm adisappointment to everyone
around me.
How do you recognize, okay?
That's.
That's not mine.
That's someone else's.
And maybe this is somegenerational trauma that I've
got to work through.
Nannette (15:59):
Well, like I always say, there's a balance for that.
Um, and during an energy balancewe can find out exactly, you
know, who it's coming from andyou can release that.
A lot of times we'll surrogatepeople in our family too.
Brad (16:14):
let's say
Nannette (16:15):
you're super, super close to your mom and your mom
has a certain belief system andshe constantly rips people down
or is constantly negative andyou tend to surrogate her
because you look up to her andshe's your mom and you want to
be just like her even though shehas these qualities that aren't
so.
Likeable.
And then you start to act likeher instead of acting like you.
(16:37):
And it can happen to a lot ofpeople in a lot of different
families that have come from,you know, low, low vibing, toxic
type families.
So, um, it's, it's reallyinteresting and energy work to
find out, you know, am Isurrogating someone else?
Do I want to be someone else?
And I don't want to be me.
Am I even me?
You know, and then, and thenbeing able to step into your own
truth and light, because thisearth is our school.
(16:59):
We're supposed to be learning.
And if we're not learning, we'regetting an F.
Brad (17:02):
Right.
Nannette (17:03):
Plain and simple.
You don't want that.
Brad (17:06):
you don't want to have to retake I'd rather be done.
Nannette (17:09):
Yeah.
Coming from an old soul.
Hello.
That's done this lots of times.
Yeah.
Brad (17:15):
Yeah, I've fucked up a lot.
Nannette (17:16):
Yeah.
done fucking up.
Brad (17:21):
Yeah.
It's
Nannette (17:22):
time to find joy and peace.
And, um, I, I want that foreveryone.
That's the hardest part of myjob is seeing people that don't
see the light in themselves.
And they just want to go downthe pain aisle.
You know, I'm going to take thatpain and that one and that one
and that one and that one andall those pills.
And that's how I'm going to livemy life.
(17:44):
And it's like, but you can healthis and you don't have to have
all those things
Brad (17:48):
So when you get someone on your table and you are working
on that stuff, what happens?
How, how do you know, how dothey know when they're starting
to tap into that generationaltrauma and they're helping to
move it along?
when, um,
Nannette (18:03):
um, I tune in to my clients before I balance them, I
always ask for, um, spirits fromtheir side, their ancestors, um,
to come forward if they'd liketo help with this balance.
And 99 percent of the time, ifit's generational stuff, they
will show up at the end of thetable and I will see
Brad (18:21):
Well, okay.
I think you touched on somethingthat's super important to
clarify.
So with your modality ofhealing,
Nannette (18:30):
Yes.
Brad (18:30):
not everyone has the psychic and medium.
Abilities.
that you do.
And so you incorporate that intoyour healings and into your
touch for health and yourkinergetics into whatever it is
that you're utilizing versusmost people who just go through
the functions of the modality.
So it's very different thanwhat.
(18:52):
You might get with anotherpractitioner.
Nannette (18:54):
But it's who I am.
So why, why would I not use itwhen I'm doing energy work?
You know what I mean?
Like, um, whether I'm working ornot, I'm always in tune with
spirit.
I'm always getting the download.
I'm always getting the warningsand all the things.
So, um, why, why would I turn itoff just to do an energy balance
when I get energies energy andif I can take advantage of your
(19:14):
grandmother's energy to help youheal as well as mine, as well as
yours, why would I not?
Brad (19:20):
Right,
Nannette (19:21):
It's such a huge blessing.
And if it's generational, youcan move that energy out for
your grandmother.
and they release it too.
So you actually do a doublehealing,
Brad (19:30):
Oh, well,
Nannette (19:31):
is really
Brad (19:31):
let's get into that a little bit more.
Talk about moving that out andhow, like I said, how do you
know, and I interrupted youbecause this is different, but
you were talking about how youwill tune into people.
I,
Nannette (19:43):
I usually, um, will tune into people because a lot
of times I don't know who'scoming through my doors and
they're coming to my home.
And so I tune into them to seewhat kind of people they are and
kind of what I'm dealing with.
Brad (19:53):
And
Nannette (19:54):
spirit will show me exactly what's going on.
I've had like two times out ofall the times that I've done
balances and stuff.
I've had two times where thepeople were not good energy and
I've turned them away and toldthem that they need to find
someone else.
And I gave them their moneyback.
But most of the time, um,everything's great.
And like I said, 99 percent ofthe time if I even, Tune into
(20:16):
them.
They'll like, they'll follow mearound all morning.
I know that it's going to be agenerational thing and that
they're going to be able to helpheal some generational things.
So um, it's, it's really, reallycool, but I can always, you
could bet money if they show up,I can tell you exactly who they
are, what they look like.
I don't know what emotionscoming through or what trauma is
coming through yet, but I knowthat it's going to be a
(20:38):
generational thing and thatperson that I'm working on has
it from that
Brad (20:42):
Interesting.
Nannette (20:43):
you can, you could bet money on it, take it to the
bank.
Brad (20:45):
Well, and it would make sense that those ancestors would
come through because they wantto help us.
They want to help us through.
They're part of our, our team,as you say all the time, right?
So they want to be here to helpus.
So that
Nannette (20:57):
Well, and I asked them to, if they have any, if they
want to help in this, I askedthem to, um, cause most of the
time my clients are tapping intotheir own spiritual gifts.
Anyway, remember how I said, asyou sit with your shadow work,
you move out the old and makeroom for the new so that that
makes room for your ownspirituality.
That makes room for your ownconnection to the other side to
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be happening effortlessly.
Um, many times they'll feel themstanding right next to them.
They'll get the full bodychills.
They'll be like, look, I'm like,I know this is who it is.
And this is what they look like.
And this is who they say theyare.
And they'll be like, Oh my gosh,yes.
Or they'll send me pictures whenthey get home.
Is this who was by my, thetable?
And I'll be like, it was thisperson or whatever.
(21:41):
It's fascinating.
But you could, like I said, youcould, you could count on it.
If they come through and theyshow up, they're part of the
healing too.
They get a balance too.
Brad (21:49):
too.
Got it.
So, long story short, ifsomebody out there has a long
past relative who was part ofthe Mountain Meadows Massacre,
they should come to you atZenergy and get a balance.
And heal that shit and get it tomove along and become their best
self without that generationaltrauma.
Nannette (22:10):
Right.
And that's haunting energy.
That, that would be, that'd besome heavy stuff, probably
cursed energy, I would say.
Brad (22:19):
Yeah.
Nannette (22:20):
Like probably bad things happen to these people
because karma is a bitch and shealways gets paid.
So I would imagine that theselineages, lineages, is that the
right word?
Lineage?
Lineage?
I don't know.
It's been a long day.
Anyways, you know what I'msaying?
Um, I, I imagine that.
They have some bad karma comingback to them.
(22:41):
They probably had bad thingshappen to them.
They feel like, um, uh, they hadbad luck maybe in their life.
Um, they're low vibers and Idon't, I don't know that I'd
want that.
So yeah, that, that would betough.
Definitely.
Get balanced in really sad shit.
Not worth it.
Brad (23:00):
No, that makes sense.
So, so what, uh, what advice doyou have to people for the week?
Nannette (23:06):
my goodness.
I think, I think a lot of peopleare starting to wake up and I'm
not talking about woke up.
I'm talking about wake upspiritually.
Um, but they're having an issuewith so much going on around us
that they get caught up in thefreeway in their head.
So remember to get quiet and I'mnot talking just sit in a chair
(23:27):
and be quiet.
I'm talking, get quiet with yoursoul, get quiet inside and
listen, just.
Just get a little sip of yourspirit and be you know, where am
I at right now?
What do I need to learn rightnow?
Kind of touch into yourself andfeel what's going on and what
you need to be doing.
(23:48):
Um, your intuition will kick inand you'll, you'll be able to
know.
And not to mention, I mean, youdo stuff like that.
You're going to sleep better.
You're going to think better.
Get those, that brain workingbetter.
So everything's just better.
So that would be it witheverything that's going around
all the confusion in the brain,get quiet because that's where
you find truth.
Brad (24:06):
truth.
I think that's fantastic adviceand exactly what all of us need
more of.
Thank you so much.
I love talking to you.
These are, these are like thebest dates ever.
Thank you so much.
And thank you everyone forlistening and joining in each
week.
We sure appreciate it.
And we love you guys.
Don't forget to leave a greatreview for us that helps push
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Thanks a ton and we'll see you.
Nannette (24:34):
other side of the veil.
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