February 27, 2025 • 32 mins
Shocking Ex-Mormon Testimonials: Unveiling Hidden Truths and Personal Journeys
Join us as we dive deep into extraordinary and shocking testimonials from former Mormons. Our guest, Leah, shares intimate and often surprising experiences from her time in the church and her subsequent spiritual journeys.
From personal traumas and intense family dynamics to finding individuality and spirituality outside organized religion, this episode provides an eye-opening insight into the complexities of faith transitions.
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leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (00:00):
I feel like it's been so long since
(00:02):
I've gone through an endowmentsession that it's hard for me to
be like, okay, here's step bystep.
Like, cause I it's been so longand my brain has really
forgotten a lot of that stuff.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (00:11):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (00:12):
remember it, yeah, it's like, Oh no.
Like that's, that's not good.
You know, it's, It's unhealthy.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (00:19):
Yeah.
Well, like when I was coming outof anesthesia, and I'll let you
talk about that, Nand.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (00:26):
No, you say it.
You brought it up.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (00:30):
Well, okay, so, you know, before you
go through your endowmentsession, there's the washing and
anointing, right?
And I remember being completelyoverwhelmed.
So, um, my girlfriend in highschool got pregnant.
Um, obviously, you know, Ididn't go on a mission after
that.
They, they don't like youngfathers to be missionaries.
(00:51):
Um, but we did end up gettingmarried and, you know, a year
after we got married, We'regoing to go through the temple.
All right, here we go.
And nobody prepared me for thiswashing and anointing thing,
which, uh, essentially I had anold man reach underneath my robe
and he touched my shaft and itwas very uncomfortable.
(01:13):
And I, I'm sorry, too muchinformation maybe, but it's what
happened.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:18):
it's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (01:19):
Yep.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:19):
It's never, I feel like it's not
enough information.
We need more, you know?
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (01:24):
Right?
So I woke up.
It's something I hadn't thoughtabout for years and years and
years and I had an umbilicalhernia surgery and I woke up out
of anesthesia and for whateverreason, boom, that trauma was
right there.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (01:42):
It's like he's, he started talking
all about it and he wasn't evencoherent yet.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:46):
Wow.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (01:47):
Yeah.
So I was like, wow, is that atrauma or what?
Like,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:50):
is, that hits so deep.
That hits so deep that, yeah,your brain just subconsciously,
unsubconsciously, I guess, waslike, here's a memory for you.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:01):
yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:02):
Oh, that's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (02:02):
yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:03):
It was 100 percent just one of those
things that
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (02:06):
Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:14):
on me before I went in and so my body
was like, all right, let's fixthis um, because nan does some
voodoo shit and
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:22):
I love it.
Good.
We need it.
No,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:25):
tell about your voodoo shit.
But yeah, that was what yeahThat was a trauma that that came
out that the stuff stuff they doin there.
They just don't prepare YouPeople for it when they, when
you go in.
And so when you talk about,yeah, I don't remember a lot of
this stuff.
I can relate
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:41):
hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2 (02:42):
definitely.
Definitely.
It's traumatizing.
It's too much to even absorb.
Like you walk out of there, juststunned.
Like what just happened?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:52):
Mm hmm.
Oh,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:53):
Well, but you can,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (02:54):
It's the worst.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:54):
you can leave at any time.
I I, I saw a post the other dayon someone's, uh, I don't even
remember whose Instagram it was.
Um, I think it was, well itmight've been Lucifer's Lantern.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (03:06):
Oh, yeah.
I
brad_1_02-21-2025_13022 (03:06):
Anyway, someone was like talking of, you
know, an apologist got on thereand said, well, you know, you
can leave the temple at anytime.
If you're not comfortable, youcan get up and leave.
And I'm like, no, you, you can,but are you serious?
Can you imagine doing that?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (03:23):
I mean, I, I, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't have gotten up if, if Iwas having those feelings.
There's no way.
There's too many people around,right?
You know, you, you don't want to
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (03:34):
Okay.
In this way,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (03:35):
No,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (03:36):
not only helping
brad_1_02-21-2025_1302 (03:37):
exactly.
Well, and especially if it'slike your first time, you've got
your family there and they'relike, all right, this is normal.
It's so beautiful.
You're like, yeah, it'sbeautiful.
This is so weird.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (03:48):
the world to be a better And we are
doing it together.
And we are doing it together,and that's what we are doing.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (03:57):
being like, is that all?
Like when we got in thecelestial room, I looked at my
mom, like, is that it?
And she's like, yep, that's all.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Like I just spent two hourswatching a movie and this is it?
Like, why don't, I don't feelany different.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (04:10):
Right.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:11):
feel any different or more special,
you know?
But I feel like they kind of,maybe my mom, maybe.
You know, over did it withexplaining like, Oh, how
wonderful and beautiful.
Cause when I went in, I reallydid think it was such a, I
thought I was part of a reallyspecial group of people.
I was that
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (04:29):
well, that's.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:30):
It's
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (04:31):
That's the key, right?
Is, is going, Hey, this is aspecial group.
It's very separate from everyoneelse.
You know, we're special.
We've got the truth.
And now you're special too,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:43):
Right, right.
Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (04:44):
It's, it's cult 101.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (04:46):
exactly.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (04:48):
It's a cult.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:49):
it
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (04:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So crazy, you know, I, mydaughter, I have four boys and
one girl.
She's the smallest and she's myonly girl.
When we went through the templewith her, when she got married,
um, she, she was next to me.
You know how you have to changethe robes from one shoulder to
the next and all the things.
She looks at me, she goes, thisis stupid.
(05:11):
And it, I will never, I willnever forget that because in my
mind, I thought she literallyjust spoke the truth.
And I wish I could have saidthat when I went through at 19.
With two kids, right?
but this was stupid, but thatthat was her first, you know,
experience.
She's like, this is just stupid.
I'm like, true.
And then, um, when she gotsealed to her husband, Brad and
(05:34):
I were sitting on the bride'sside and, you know, um, people
were on it.
The, this, my son in law's side,and my husband who was killed,
his dad was the officiator.
And, um, cause he's a templeworker and he was, he was doing
the whole thing.
Now this is somebody that wasthe human resources director for
the church for like 30 yearsand, and like super uber ultra
(05:55):
Mormon, kay?
Kylie, Kylie, my daughter, um,she says to me, she's like, mom,
do you think dad's here?
And I said, oh honey, do youthink your daddy would ever miss
this?
Like you're his only baby girl.
Do you think he would ever missit?
And you could literally feel himin the room.
I'm not even kidding.
You could feel him.
And, um, she kind of welled upand Brad welled up and I welled
up and, and my father in law waslike, are you guys okay?
(06:19):
And I'm like, can't you feelCorey here?
And he goes, well, we could holdpeace here.
Just like that.
And I was like, Like, are youkidding me right now?
Like, kids, you could feel him.
And then you could almost seelike this wave of emotion that
covered the whole room on bothsides of people just starting to
feel him and they would well upand they're like, No, he's here.
You can feel him.
And he's this big energy thatalways makes people cry.
(06:41):
So, it was crazy, because myfather in Here, this temple
worker, this person that has thepriesthood and all the things
didn't feel it.
And I'm like, there's somethingmissing here.
You know, you could, could seeit.
My daughter could see it.
I think all of us could see it.
And I think that was the lasttime we ever went to the temple.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (07:00):
Yeah,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:00):
Yeah, that's powerful.
Like, yeah, you would think thatthey could feel those things and
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (07:07):
Right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:07):
that being so spiritual, right?
And especially in the temple,like that's, I would expect you
to be able to with anyone on theother side in any kind of temple
or setting like that.
Right.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (07:18):
Right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:19):
And
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (07:19):
the work for the dead.
Why not?
Right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:21):
dead.
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (07:22):
well, and that's essentially what they
tell you, you know, Oh, this isthe place where it's quiet and
you can disconnect from theworld and you can, you can feel,
you know, your loved ones andwhatnot, but they fail to tell
you that you can do that samething anywhere.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:35):
yeah, in,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (07:36):
It doesn't have to be in this
opulent building.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (07:38):
exactly, exactly.
Yeah, in the Oakland Temple,that's where I got my endowments
taken out.
Um, it's a really huge temple,and it's beautiful inside.
And, um, I remember when I wasdoing baptisms for the dead when
I was a teenager, they havechairs set off.
And the temple workers wouldtell us that those are chairs
(08:01):
for past people to sit in towatch you be baptized for them.
And I really believed I waslike, this is where they sit.
Like, and so I looked at the,The temple experience with, you
know, like, Oh, like suchspiritual, like there's
connection here.
Like there are people walkingthe halls and, you know,
enjoying this.
(08:21):
And, and then I grew up and Iwas like, Oh wait, there's just
no way.
Like, it just can't, it can't belike that for the,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (08:28):
Okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (08:28):
the Mormon church.
They're just not
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (08:31):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (08:32):
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (08:36):
go, why would they, why would they
lie?
Right?
There's, it's just true, there'sno reason for them to tell a
story about it, and it's sadbecause I think a lot of people
get out of the church, and theytake everything and just throw
it away, right?
Um, and go, there's nothinghere, and I'm not a fan of
religion, I don't, I don't, Idon't tie in with organized
(08:59):
religion at all, especially whenyou have to pay to be saved.
Right?
Which, as we know, to go to thetemple, you have to pay your
tithing.
And if you don't, you don't getyour temple recommend.
You have to pay to play what youdon't have to pay to play is
spirituality and being able togo to the mountains and be quiet
or sit on a beach and calm yourmind and feel the energy around
(09:24):
you.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (09:25):
blah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (09:33):
to throw the baby out with the
bathwater.
I still think there'sfoundations, um, that being in
religion starts you out at, butI think that it's very limited.
That's my thoughts on.
On Mormonism and why I'm like,you know, I, I still think
there's more there and beingmarried to a psychic medium.
(09:54):
I can't really go.
Yeah, that's bullshit becauseI've seen things.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, all right.
That's accurate.
You know, when she's like, noshit, she shouldn't know.
I'm like, okay, there'ssomething about this.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (10:09):
think spirituality is an individual
experience.
And I think that that's kind ofwhere organized religion is
wrong is it is one personsaying, Hey, this is the way,
and this is how it is, where Iworked in Yosemite national park
for the summer after my highschool.
And, um, was there for six weeksand I didn't go to church there.
They had an LDS service, but Ididn't want to attend it.
(10:31):
Cause I would be the only one.
And, and I just kind of, I feltmore.
Uh, myself, out there andespecially going to girls camp
and just other places, like, Iwould feel the spirit or, or
something more connectingmyself.
I was happier out of a buildingthan I was in.
And so, yeah, I mean, I thinkspirituality is, I think it's an
(10:54):
individual thing.
I don't think it can be in onespecific.
Like thing.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (11:01):
Oh, so true.
So very, very true.
And you know, it makes sense.
Um, so you have kids.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (11:06):
have one,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (11:07):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (11:07):
hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (11:08):
one.
So it's your son.
It's a boy.
so if you were going to sendyour son on a trip, wouldn't you
make sure that he had everythingthat he needed to have a
successful journey and that hecame home to you and that he
communicated with you, right?
You would.
And so that, that is exactly whywe have all of our heavenly
gifts is so that we can have asuccessful journey so that we
(11:30):
can stay in touch with the otherside and have help when we need
it and have guidance when weneed it.
And we get cheated out of thatand, oh no, you have to trust on
this other person to do it.
When in actuality.
We should be doing it righthere, right now, individually,
and it's work.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (11:45):
Yes.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (11:45):
it's, it's so, it's so crazy to me
that so many people have lefttheir heavenly gifts unopened.
Like, there, it's like thesebeautiful gifts sitting
underneath the tree and they'relike, Don't you want to open
them?
Don't you want to know whatthey're like?
You know?
But, um, and, and trauma a lotof times will force you to open
your gifts because you'relooking for answers that you
can't find.
(12:06):
anywhere else.
And, and I think at least withmy journey, that that's what I
was doing.
Cause I was married to myhusband for 18 years and, um,
all of a sudden he was gone andI had three dreams.
He would be shot and killed inthe line of duty.
So, um, when it happened, Um, itwas something that we were
prepared for as much as we couldbe, and we had talked about it
(12:28):
and all the things, and um,that's when my world shifted and
shattered, and my heavenly giftsstarted to pop, and I could hear
my husband, I could feel him, Icould see him with my human eyes
in the middle of the ding day,like, things just started to
happen, and I'm just like Help,because not only was he
murdered, but I have all theseother things happening and, and
(12:50):
now with my own clientele, um, Ihave a lot of people that have
lost their loved ones and theyjust want to know where are
they, you know?
What, are they feeling better,you know?
they come around to me?
And then I start to teach peopleto use their own heavenly gifts
because they can do what I do.
I'm no one special.
I'm just stubborn.
I opened up my gifts and I'mlike, okay, Mom, mom, mom, mom,
(13:12):
like a million times and God wasfriendly.
Like, what?
fine.
I will show you all of thisstuff.
But, um, it's crazy because, um,you know, so many people, um,
Satan for bad things and theyturn to Christ to save them when
in actuality, You know, Christwas our example.
He didn't tell us to, to worshiphim.
(13:34):
He said, follow me, do what I dobecause you are like me, do what
I do.
And so all of the beautifulthings that he did, we can do.
It's just a matter of openingour heavenly gifts and learning
how and it's work.
But my journey has brought me tothat and it's like, it's such
truth and it doesn't belong inchurch.
Does that make sense?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (13:55):
hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (13:55):
That, um, I want to know what you
believe in and why you left.
Um, what was your, your finalcutting?
I, I'm drawing the curtains onDawn.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (14:04):
Yeah, um, it was learning that Joseph,
um, Smith was a treasure hunter,um, and that, you know, Emma and
his dad, you know.
Emma's dad and him were, youknow, friends over this, and
that was kind of it.
It was just like, okay, yeah,this just doesn't make sense.
If he's not a true prophet, thenI'm not gonna believe.
So yeah, it was just kind of,that was kind of it for me, was
(14:26):
Joseph's whole treasure huntingstuff, you know?
Just odd.
And, um, but yeah, I mean, I,um, immediately went to, okay,
well then, God and Jesus don'texist like that's not real and
um, so I was I would say for agood maybe like year I was
atheist like I really justdidn't believe in nothing and We
(14:50):
would watch a lot of ancientaliens My husband is a nerd and
loves science and history and sowatching ancient aliens kind of
opened my my eyes to a lot ofHistory things and, you know,
the
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (15:00):
I'm not saying it was aliens, but
it's pretty sure that it wasaliens.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (15:07):
Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (15:10):
That guy is crazy awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (15:12):
yes, yes, yes.
And so it just kind of, youknow, after I had my son, um, my
husband's grandma died.
She was 90, oh, she was like 98,I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (15:26):
So, So, So, So, So, So,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (15:39):
ready for that.
But I was like, I'll go.
I want to go and be there for myhusband.
And so we went.
And while I was there, I waslike, man, I want to see her
again.
Like, I want to see, I wantAtlas to enjoy his great
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (15:51):
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
(16:11):
Okay.
Okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (16:20):
what I need in my life right now.
And so I went for a couplemonths, I went to little Bible
studies.
I really did try to embrace and,you know, get in to, to, uh, I
guess push my whole self intothat group.
And um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (16:35):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (16:48):
spending time with my husband than I do
like at, you know, church withmy husband.
People that I don't really knowso it was just like there's got
to be something more I don'tbelieve necessarily that there
is like a one true church.
So
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (17:03):
going to talk about the code.
So, um, we're going to talkabout the numbers.
Um, the number is just a numberon the left.
So, if you're just, you know,you will see that they're just
numbers.
So, uh, in
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (17:18):
Like South Park.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (17:19):
South
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (17:19):
you're going to have numbers that are
just a number that you're goingto
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (17:25):
So what, what, uh, caused your
journey to go, I'm going tostart making Instagram reels
about this.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (17:31):
the
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (17:32):
How did that start?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (17:33):
Um, yeah, this is really hard, this
is hard to talk about, uh,because I didn't want to do
this, but I felt a pull in me.
And, um, So I had a falling outwith my parents a few years ago,
and we didn't talk for a year,um, because my mother just,
she's very controlling and Ifelt like I needed space.
So I took a step back.
(17:54):
I had my son and I was like, heneeds family.
So I was like, okay, I'll justgo back into it.
So I contacted them and it wasfine, but it wasn't until the
end of last year when I wastrying, I, I was reading more
stuff about Mormonism.
And it just was like, I want toshare why I left the church with
my parents.
Like, I really do.
(18:15):
Like, why don't they want toknow?
Do they not care to know?
Like, do they think I'm stupid?
Like, do they not trust that I'mkind of intelligent and like, I
have
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (18:24):
Wow.
Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (18:33):
And my sister too, who was kind of
active and I have two siblingswho are excommunicated.
So.
know, it's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (18:40):
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_13023 (19:03):
because you don't go to church.
I was like, I was
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (19:06):
Are you shitting me?
leah_1_02-21-2025_13 (19:07):
completely shocked.
I was like, do you think I'mgoing to like beat your kids?
Do you think I'm just a terriblemom?
nannette-_1_02-21-2025 (19:13):
Awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (19:25):
I have so much inside of me.
I haven't been able to tellanyone why I went home for my
mission.
And I just want to get this out.
started an Instagram and just.
told my story and it, it wentcrazy.
Yeah, it blew up.
It was wild.
So yeah, just there's, there'skind of a lot there for you, but
there you go.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (19:44):
Do you know what?
It's so healing to be able toget that out.
And I'm so sorry that that isthe way they reacted.
Um, it seems though that that'sa very typical Mormon reaction
and I refuse to participate inthe rebranding.
They are Mormons.
I was around when we had the I'ma Mormon campaign.
(20:04):
It will always be Mormon.
I'm still a Mormon and I'm goingto call it whatever the hell I
want.
It's Mormon.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (20:11):
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (20:12):
It's such a Mormon reaction though to
say, well, you're not a member.
And so you wouldn't be a goodparent for my children.
That is, it's so horrible.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (20:22):
mom this, I said, this is what my
sister said.
And she said, well, I understandwhy she says that.
So my mother agreed.
And I'm like, do you guys, I'ma, I am just, it's crazy, I, I,
yeah, I couldn't even believe,she agreed, my mother agreed,
and I thought, yep, this isexactly, I know exactly how my
family feels about me, and it'sall because I'm not Mormon, and
(20:45):
my sister would say, no it'snot, no it's not, I'm like, yes
it is, you still go, so theystill love you, I don't go, and
I want to be open about it, andyeah, it's sickening.
There's a lot of people that gothrough what I go through.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (21:00):
Yeah, unfortunately, there is a lot of
people with very similar storiesand a lot of, um, LDS people
that react that way.
I think that they're so gas litthat they actually think that
you're going to, you know,poison them somehow.
Um, by them being around you ortheir kids being around you or
whatever that may be.
But I mean, there's a lot of, I,a lot of my clients too are
(21:21):
mixed faith marriages, not likeme and Brad, but mixed faith,
um,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (21:27):
We're mixed faith in name only.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (21:29):
We're ones really, really in and ones
out and they're trying to workit out, you know, and neither
one's gonna budge.
And it's like, all that, thatMormon, um, shame on, on the
spouse that has left isincredible.
Incredible! And they kowtow toit.
So it's like, why can't we just,you know, walk our journeys and
(21:49):
be okay with wherever somebodyis?
I have clients that are very,very Mormon.
I have other clients that havenever been Mormon.
I have other clients that haveleft, and it's across the board,
but, um, we should all love eachother and be able to, um, cheer
for each other on our individualjourneys.
They don't have to be the same.
They need to be different, youknow, and and we should share
(22:11):
our strengths and where we'vewe've fallen so that we can help
each other is is my honestbelief system and what my own
clients have taught me.
I just I think it's just sad.
Um, I mean, I have familymembers that think I'm of the
occult, that I, what I do is ofthe occult.
And I'm just thinking, we are 99percent energy and 1 percent
(22:33):
mass.
Why would I not do energy work?
Like I help people heal.
Like why, why does that not makesense?
I'm like, yeah, no, just, it'scrazy to me, the gaslighting,
the shame.
And I mean, yeah, I have alifetime full of shame.
That's why it took me 47 yearsto be like, yeah, I don't think
I'm doing this.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (22:52):
Yeah.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13023 (22:52):
I, I, I so get you, but when you
were talking about how you'vebeen treated, it just resonated
with me because I'm just like,in a way, I'm like, I hate that
you felt that way, but inanother sense, I'm like, I'm so
glad that she's gone throughwhat I have experienced too
because you make, it makes younot feel so alone.
You know?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (23:11):
My, uh, it's very interesting.
My, um, my patriarchal blessingsays that I'm very articulate
and that I will, I'll spreadgoodness around the world and
I'll, and I'll speak the truth.
It literally says I will speakthe truth.
And to that, I say, that'sexactly what I'm fucking doing.
I am using it against thembecause
brad_1_02-21-2025_1302 (23:31):
Perfect.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (23:31):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (23:32):
And I feel that spiritual gifts, you
know, I've always been a peopleperson.
I, I feel it in my soul when I'mwith someone, you know, I love
connecting with others and it'sjust interesting like, yeah, I,
it's just, uh, it's mind blowinghow all of it, you know, can
come about so easy like that forsomeone, you know, where you
just like, Oh yeah, that makessense.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (23:53):
We're so much bigger than what any
religion lets us be.
And, um, once you, once youyou've stripped that away,
standing by yourself in your owntruth and light can be really
scary because the church definesyou.
Right.
But learning how to defineyourself.
Define yourself and findyourself and realize that this
is your school.
This is, this earth is ourschool.
(24:15):
And we're supposed to learn.
We're supposed to share.
We're supposed to make mistakes.
We're supposed to fall flat onour face and get back up and be
resilient and all the things.
Um, that's the beauty of life.
Um, I, I think, I think that'swhere the richness comes from.
I love what you do.
Absolutely love it.
Obsessed.
I stalk you all the time.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (24:34):
I've had people message me and be
like, I just spent the last fourhours watching your video and I
just worked a 12 hour shift, I'ma nurse and I'm like, Oh my
gosh, thank you.
Like it's, it's wild.
Yeah.
I mean, I just started it amonth ago and I'm like, it's
just crazy.
I didn't think it was going tobe like this and my parents, my
sister told my parents that Ihad started this page.
(24:55):
And I had already called my moma narcissist and so I knew it
was over.
I was like, well, it's out thereSo she really knows how I feel
and I thought there's just nogoing back And you know, what
were they going to do?
Anyways say, okay, go ahead.
Like we'll still love you.
Absolutely Like
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (25:11):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (25:12):
on online And uh, my dad has no
backbone and my mom's anarcissist and i'm i'm perfectly
okay with that because I feel Ifeel sad for them they did this
to themselves, but I feel like Ineeded to kind of go through
this to get to
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (25:29):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (25:29):
today to be like, Hey, be your fucking
self.
Don't, if you don't want to goto church, don't go to church.
If you feel weird about it, go.
If you want to leave yourspouse, get the fuck out.
Go.
You know, like do whatever it isthat's going to make you happy.
Because you literally only Ifeel you only have this time to
really define who you are Andyou don't want to fuck it up and
(25:50):
I don't want to be praying insome temple and paying Half of
my husband's income to them Justfor the hopes that I get into
heaven, maybe?
Like, like
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (26:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:03):
Well, it sounds like you've got some
really good boundariesestablished and you've learned a
lot of this stuff.
I wish I had learned it when Iwas your age.
Congratulations.
That's huge.
Really, to be able to go, look,they're going to do their thing
and that's a them problem.
I'm going to do this becauseit's what's right for me and I'm
going to speak my truth.
That is amazing.
And like Dan said, we, we bothlove your channel.
(26:24):
Keep up the great work.
Um, it's awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:28):
Thank
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:28):
thank you for, for what you've done.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:31):
thank
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:31):
think there's a big community of
people out there who are in thesame boat, right?
People need to understandthey're not alone.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:39):
And there's a lot of ex mormon
content out there, and there's alot of angry ex mormons, and
I'm, I'm pissed off, but I'mvery happy about it because it
is kind of, you know, like,Well, there you go.
That's how it is.
And so I tried
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:53):
just happily pissed.
It's okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:55):
I, try to make it not so serious
because it isn't that serious.
And life is supposed
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (27:02):
No.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (27:02):
And you know, I, I, I, I think
everyone should do what theywant.
Um, I believe people shouldworship whoever they believe.
You know, if you want to believein the flying spaghetti monster,
would go for it.
But, you know, I think that whenit comes to, um, you know,
letting people know about yourchurch, you need to be
(27:23):
transparent.
And that's the issue with theMormon churches.
They're not.
And they're fooling a lot ofpeople.
And that's, I don't like that.
Because I was fooled.
And I was forced to think acertain way.
And it's just, it's not how it'ssupposed to be.
And, um, Yeah, it's just nothealthy for anyone.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (27:41):
it's definitely not what they teach.
They teach you to be an honestperson, right?
And when they on the flip sideare the most dishonest.
I remember, um.
President Hinckley even said astatement.
I'm going to butcher it, I'msure, but it's something like,
you guys probably can help, butit's something like, um, either
the Mormon Church is the mosttrue church, um, on the face of
(28:03):
the earth, or it is the biggestfarce.
It's either one or the other,and I'm like, I almost like, um,
because they sign NDAs, right?
They can't tell shit.
I think it was his way of being,putting that question mark out
there, like, it could be thebiggest farce.
Ever.
The biggest lie.
(28:23):
that's exactly what it's been.
I mean, how do you have eightdifferent accounts of the first
vision?
Which one are you going to pick?
Because honestly, I've seenghosts with my eyes and my
visions don't change.
I don't change my mind and addan extra ghost.
You know, I don't, I don'tunderstand how you have eight
different accounts.
And you just change it as yougo.
I, I call bullshit, like, no,that's not true.
(28:46):
And, and if it's not true, thenall of it busts.
The whole foundation's gone.
Like, like their own prophetsaid.
And he was my prophet at thetime, but that put a question in
my mind when he said somethinglike that.
I just, it's so, so, sointeresting that
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (28:59):
That's an interesting rabbit hole to,
to jump down and go, okay, whatdid Hinkley say that was warning
us that this is BS?
That's I'm going to go jump downthat I think,
leah_1_02-21-2025_13023 (29:09):
saying, trust me, trust me.
Like, trust me, trust me.
Like with your whole everything.
And I watched a clip.
Um, I can't remember who it was.
I think it was boy K Packer andhe was talking to a bunch of
kids and he's like, you have totrust us.
Like we are God's people.
And it was just like, man, like,That is not okay.
Like it's,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (29:29):
you know,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:29):
how it works.
You know?
You, you, you're not, I'm not a,I, I don't fit in with the com,
the community anymore.
I did.
And you know, there are Mormonsthat do and thrive and love it.
Like my parents love beingMormon.
My dad would take a bullet forthe Mormon church and I really
nannette-_1_02-21-2025 (29:46):
Awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:46):
and I love that
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (29:47):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:48):
But I don't want it, it's not my
community
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (29:51):
right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:51):
I don't, it's, it's, I, it, it
fucked me up.
So I don't want to be there.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (29:56):
I'm just going to say that those are
the lazy learners.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (30:00):
Yes.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:01):
Yeah
nannette-_1_02-21-2025 (30:02):
Because, because this stuff and having it
become your truth and livingyour truth is work.
Yeah.
It's not easy, and it's not forthe faint of heart.
The lazy learners are the onesthat are like, Oh, please give
me the checkbox so that I canmake it to the celestial
kingdom, and I'll just do allthe things and I'll pay my way,
and that's where I'll go.
And it's like, anything I dowrong, I'm gonna blame on Satan,
(30:22):
and oh, by the way, I have thesecond anointing, so I can do
whatever I want.
Like, Are you kidding
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (30:27):
oh, that's a whole other topic,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (30:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:30):
I told my dad I was like, you know,
joseph was he like was arrestedfor fraud Like he was scamming
people because he was a glasslooker.
I was like dad.
There's literal Court papersthat say this.
Like, do you want to see them?
And he's like, I don't care.
He's like, everyone has a past.
And I was like, are you fuckingkidding me?
Like, how can you not want tolook at that?
Like, don't you want to knowabout Joseph?
Like, I do.
(30:50):
I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (30:50):
Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_13 (30:50):
everything about that con man, because
it's, it's
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (30:54):
right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:55):
And
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (30:56):
Right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:56):
little things that they just kind of
like push under that you'relike, okay, you, you, you don't
get it.
And it's sad.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (31:03):
Well, that's just anti Mormon
propaganda.
You can't believe that.
That's anti Mormon.
And, and a lot of people jump onand say, well, yeah, you're an
Exmo.
You've made that your wholepersonality.
Well, no, I'm working through mytrauma because I had 50 years of
being in this stuff.
So now it's time to work throughit.
Right.
And I think that's one of thethings that, um, pages like
(31:24):
yours, Really help us all towork through and go, yeah, I can
relate to that.
So thank you for sharing those.
And, and
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (31:30):
You're awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:30):
you.
This was
brad_1_02-21-2025_1 (31:31):
absolutely.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:32):
I, I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236 (31:32):
I
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:32):
hope
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (31:33):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:33):
each other one day in person.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (31:36):
would love it.
Where do you live?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:37):
up in the Ogden
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (31:38):
You're
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:38):
So
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (31:39):
Ogden area.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've got your digits when we'reup in that area.
I'll holler at you.
Maybe we can grab dinner orsomething.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:44):
would be
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (31:45):
Yep.
And if you get to ST George,please let us know.
We'll, we'll buy you dinner anddrinks.
So thank you Leah so much forbeing on.
We really appreciate it.
Um, yeah, it's been awesome tovisit with you, get to know you.
And for those of you out therewatching or listening, go check
out Leah's page.
It's that, ah, excuse me, thatone exmo.
(32:06):
Go and find her.
She's got some great content outthere.
You'll really enjoy it.
thank you again, Leah.
And for all of you out there,we'll see you.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13023 (32:14):
On the other side of the veil.
I feel like it's been so long since
(00:02):
I've gone through an endowmentsession that it's hard for me to
be like, okay, here's step bystep.
Like, cause I it's been so longand my brain has really
forgotten a lot of that stuff.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (00:11):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (00:12):
remember it, yeah, it's like, Oh no.
Like that's, that's not good.
You know, it's, It's unhealthy.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (00:19):
Yeah.
Well, like when I was coming outof anesthesia, and I'll let you
talk about that, Nand.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (00:26):
No, you say it.
You brought it up.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (00:30):
Well, okay, so, you know, before you
go through your endowmentsession, there's the washing and
anointing, right?
And I remember being completelyoverwhelmed.
So, um, my girlfriend in highschool got pregnant.
Um, obviously, you know, Ididn't go on a mission after
that.
They, they don't like youngfathers to be missionaries.
(00:51):
Um, but we did end up gettingmarried and, you know, a year
after we got married, We'regoing to go through the temple.
All right, here we go.
And nobody prepared me for thiswashing and anointing thing,
which, uh, essentially I had anold man reach underneath my robe
and he touched my shaft and itwas very uncomfortable.
(01:13):
And I, I'm sorry, too muchinformation maybe, but it's what
happened.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:18):
it's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (01:19):
Yep.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:19):
It's never, I feel like it's not
enough information.
We need more, you know?
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (01:24):
Right?
So I woke up.
It's something I hadn't thoughtabout for years and years and
years and I had an umbilicalhernia surgery and I woke up out
of anesthesia and for whateverreason, boom, that trauma was
right there.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (01:42):
It's like he's, he started talking
all about it and he wasn't evencoherent yet.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:46):
Wow.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (01:47):
Yeah.
So I was like, wow, is that atrauma or what?
Like,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (01:50):
is, that hits so deep.
That hits so deep that, yeah,your brain just subconsciously,
unsubconsciously, I guess, waslike, here's a memory for you.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:01):
yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:02):
Oh, that's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (02:02):
yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:03):
It was 100 percent just one of those
things that
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (02:06):
Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:14):
on me before I went in and so my body
was like, all right, let's fixthis um, because nan does some
voodoo shit and
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:22):
I love it.
Good.
We need it.
No,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:25):
tell about your voodoo shit.
But yeah, that was what yeahThat was a trauma that that came
out that the stuff stuff they doin there.
They just don't prepare YouPeople for it when they, when
you go in.
And so when you talk about,yeah, I don't remember a lot of
this stuff.
I can relate
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:41):
hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2 (02:42):
definitely.
Definitely.
It's traumatizing.
It's too much to even absorb.
Like you walk out of there, juststunned.
Like what just happened?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (02:52):
Mm hmm.
Oh,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:53):
Well, but you can,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (02:54):
It's the worst.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (02:54):
you can leave at any time.
I I, I saw a post the other dayon someone's, uh, I don't even
remember whose Instagram it was.
Um, I think it was, well itmight've been Lucifer's Lantern.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (03:06):
Oh, yeah.
I
brad_1_02-21-2025_13022 (03:06):
Anyway, someone was like talking of, you
know, an apologist got on thereand said, well, you know, you
can leave the temple at anytime.
If you're not comfortable, youcan get up and leave.
And I'm like, no, you, you can,but are you serious?
Can you imagine doing that?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (03:23):
I mean, I, I, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't have gotten up if, if Iwas having those feelings.
There's no way.
There's too many people around,right?
You know, you, you don't want to
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (03:34):
Okay.
In this way,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (03:35):
No,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (03:36):
not only helping
brad_1_02-21-2025_1302 (03:37):
exactly.
Well, and especially if it'slike your first time, you've got
your family there and they'relike, all right, this is normal.
It's so beautiful.
You're like, yeah, it'sbeautiful.
This is so weird.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (03:48):
the world to be a better And we are
doing it together.
And we are doing it together,and that's what we are doing.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (03:57):
being like, is that all?
Like when we got in thecelestial room, I looked at my
mom, like, is that it?
And she's like, yep, that's all.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Like I just spent two hourswatching a movie and this is it?
Like, why don't, I don't feelany different.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (04:10):
Right.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:11):
feel any different or more special,
you know?
But I feel like they kind of,maybe my mom, maybe.
You know, over did it withexplaining like, Oh, how
wonderful and beautiful.
Cause when I went in, I reallydid think it was such a, I
thought I was part of a reallyspecial group of people.
I was that
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (04:29):
well, that's.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:30):
It's
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (04:31):
That's the key, right?
Is, is going, Hey, this is aspecial group.
It's very separate from everyoneelse.
You know, we're special.
We've got the truth.
And now you're special too,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:43):
Right, right.
Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (04:44):
It's, it's cult 101.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (04:46):
exactly.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (04:48):
It's a cult.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (04:49):
it
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (04:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So crazy, you know, I, mydaughter, I have four boys and
one girl.
She's the smallest and she's myonly girl.
When we went through the templewith her, when she got married,
um, she, she was next to me.
You know how you have to changethe robes from one shoulder to
the next and all the things.
She looks at me, she goes, thisis stupid.
(05:11):
And it, I will never, I willnever forget that because in my
mind, I thought she literallyjust spoke the truth.
And I wish I could have saidthat when I went through at 19.
With two kids, right?
but this was stupid, but thatthat was her first, you know,
experience.
She's like, this is just stupid.
I'm like, true.
And then, um, when she gotsealed to her husband, Brad and
(05:34):
I were sitting on the bride'sside and, you know, um, people
were on it.
The, this, my son in law's side,and my husband who was killed,
his dad was the officiator.
And, um, cause he's a templeworker and he was, he was doing
the whole thing.
Now this is somebody that wasthe human resources director for
the church for like 30 yearsand, and like super uber ultra
(05:55):
Mormon, kay?
Kylie, Kylie, my daughter, um,she says to me, she's like, mom,
do you think dad's here?
And I said, oh honey, do youthink your daddy would ever miss
this?
Like you're his only baby girl.
Do you think he would ever missit?
And you could literally feel himin the room.
I'm not even kidding.
You could feel him.
And, um, she kind of welled upand Brad welled up and I welled
up and, and my father in law waslike, are you guys okay?
(06:19):
And I'm like, can't you feelCorey here?
And he goes, well, we could holdpeace here.
Just like that.
And I was like, Like, are youkidding me right now?
Like, kids, you could feel him.
And then you could almost seelike this wave of emotion that
covered the whole room on bothsides of people just starting to
feel him and they would well upand they're like, No, he's here.
You can feel him.
And he's this big energy thatalways makes people cry.
(06:41):
So, it was crazy, because myfather in Here, this temple
worker, this person that has thepriesthood and all the things
didn't feel it.
And I'm like, there's somethingmissing here.
You know, you could, could seeit.
My daughter could see it.
I think all of us could see it.
And I think that was the lasttime we ever went to the temple.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (07:00):
Yeah,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:00):
Yeah, that's powerful.
Like, yeah, you would think thatthey could feel those things and
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (07:07):
Right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:07):
that being so spiritual, right?
And especially in the temple,like that's, I would expect you
to be able to with anyone on theother side in any kind of temple
or setting like that.
Right.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (07:18):
Right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:19):
And
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (07:19):
the work for the dead.
Why not?
Right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:21):
dead.
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (07:22):
well, and that's essentially what they
tell you, you know, Oh, this isthe place where it's quiet and
you can disconnect from theworld and you can, you can feel,
you know, your loved ones andwhatnot, but they fail to tell
you that you can do that samething anywhere.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (07:35):
yeah, in,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (07:36):
It doesn't have to be in this
opulent building.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (07:38):
exactly, exactly.
Yeah, in the Oakland Temple,that's where I got my endowments
taken out.
Um, it's a really huge temple,and it's beautiful inside.
And, um, I remember when I wasdoing baptisms for the dead when
I was a teenager, they havechairs set off.
And the temple workers wouldtell us that those are chairs
(08:01):
for past people to sit in towatch you be baptized for them.
And I really believed I waslike, this is where they sit.
Like, and so I looked at the,The temple experience with, you
know, like, Oh, like suchspiritual, like there's
connection here.
Like there are people walkingthe halls and, you know,
enjoying this.
(08:21):
And, and then I grew up and Iwas like, Oh wait, there's just
no way.
Like, it just can't, it can't belike that for the,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (08:28):
Okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (08:28):
the Mormon church.
They're just not
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (08:31):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (08:32):
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (08:36):
go, why would they, why would they
lie?
Right?
There's, it's just true, there'sno reason for them to tell a
story about it, and it's sadbecause I think a lot of people
get out of the church, and theytake everything and just throw
it away, right?
Um, and go, there's nothinghere, and I'm not a fan of
religion, I don't, I don't, Idon't tie in with organized
(08:59):
religion at all, especially whenyou have to pay to be saved.
Right?
Which, as we know, to go to thetemple, you have to pay your
tithing.
And if you don't, you don't getyour temple recommend.
You have to pay to play what youdon't have to pay to play is
spirituality and being able togo to the mountains and be quiet
or sit on a beach and calm yourmind and feel the energy around
(09:24):
you.
Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (09:25):
blah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (09:33):
to throw the baby out with the
bathwater.
I still think there'sfoundations, um, that being in
religion starts you out at, butI think that it's very limited.
That's my thoughts on.
On Mormonism and why I'm like,you know, I, I still think
there's more there and beingmarried to a psychic medium.
(09:54):
I can't really go.
Yeah, that's bullshit becauseI've seen things.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, all right.
That's accurate.
You know, when she's like, noshit, she shouldn't know.
I'm like, okay, there'ssomething about this.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (10:09):
think spirituality is an individual
experience.
And I think that that's kind ofwhere organized religion is
wrong is it is one personsaying, Hey, this is the way,
and this is how it is, where Iworked in Yosemite national park
for the summer after my highschool.
And, um, was there for six weeksand I didn't go to church there.
They had an LDS service, but Ididn't want to attend it.
(10:31):
Cause I would be the only one.
And, and I just kind of, I feltmore.
Uh, myself, out there andespecially going to girls camp
and just other places, like, Iwould feel the spirit or, or
something more connectingmyself.
I was happier out of a buildingthan I was in.
And so, yeah, I mean, I thinkspirituality is, I think it's an
(10:54):
individual thing.
I don't think it can be in onespecific.
Like thing.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (11:01):
Oh, so true.
So very, very true.
And you know, it makes sense.
Um, so you have kids.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (11:06):
have one,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (11:07):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (11:07):
hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (11:08):
one.
So it's your son.
It's a boy.
so if you were going to sendyour son on a trip, wouldn't you
make sure that he had everythingthat he needed to have a
successful journey and that hecame home to you and that he
communicated with you, right?
You would.
And so that, that is exactly whywe have all of our heavenly
gifts is so that we can have asuccessful journey so that we
(11:30):
can stay in touch with the otherside and have help when we need
it and have guidance when weneed it.
And we get cheated out of thatand, oh no, you have to trust on
this other person to do it.
When in actuality.
We should be doing it righthere, right now, individually,
and it's work.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (11:45):
Yes.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (11:45):
it's, it's so, it's so crazy to me
that so many people have lefttheir heavenly gifts unopened.
Like, there, it's like thesebeautiful gifts sitting
underneath the tree and they'relike, Don't you want to open
them?
Don't you want to know whatthey're like?
You know?
But, um, and, and trauma a lotof times will force you to open
your gifts because you'relooking for answers that you
can't find.
(12:06):
anywhere else.
And, and I think at least withmy journey, that that's what I
was doing.
Cause I was married to myhusband for 18 years and, um,
all of a sudden he was gone andI had three dreams.
He would be shot and killed inthe line of duty.
So, um, when it happened, Um, itwas something that we were
prepared for as much as we couldbe, and we had talked about it
(12:28):
and all the things, and um,that's when my world shifted and
shattered, and my heavenly giftsstarted to pop, and I could hear
my husband, I could feel him, Icould see him with my human eyes
in the middle of the ding day,like, things just started to
happen, and I'm just like Help,because not only was he
murdered, but I have all theseother things happening and, and
(12:50):
now with my own clientele, um, Ihave a lot of people that have
lost their loved ones and theyjust want to know where are
they, you know?
What, are they feeling better,you know?
they come around to me?
And then I start to teach peopleto use their own heavenly gifts
because they can do what I do.
I'm no one special.
I'm just stubborn.
I opened up my gifts and I'mlike, okay, Mom, mom, mom, mom,
(13:12):
like a million times and God wasfriendly.
Like, what?
fine.
I will show you all of thisstuff.
But, um, it's crazy because, um,you know, so many people, um,
Satan for bad things and theyturn to Christ to save them when
in actuality, You know, Christwas our example.
He didn't tell us to, to worshiphim.
(13:34):
He said, follow me, do what I dobecause you are like me, do what
I do.
And so all of the beautifulthings that he did, we can do.
It's just a matter of openingour heavenly gifts and learning
how and it's work.
But my journey has brought me tothat and it's like, it's such
truth and it doesn't belong inchurch.
Does that make sense?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (13:55):
hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (13:55):
That, um, I want to know what you
believe in and why you left.
Um, what was your, your finalcutting?
I, I'm drawing the curtains onDawn.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (14:04):
Yeah, um, it was learning that Joseph,
um, Smith was a treasure hunter,um, and that, you know, Emma and
his dad, you know.
Emma's dad and him were, youknow, friends over this, and
that was kind of it.
It was just like, okay, yeah,this just doesn't make sense.
If he's not a true prophet, thenI'm not gonna believe.
So yeah, it was just kind of,that was kind of it for me, was
(14:26):
Joseph's whole treasure huntingstuff, you know?
Just odd.
And, um, but yeah, I mean, I,um, immediately went to, okay,
well then, God and Jesus don'texist like that's not real and
um, so I was I would say for agood maybe like year I was
atheist like I really justdidn't believe in nothing and We
(14:50):
would watch a lot of ancientaliens My husband is a nerd and
loves science and history and sowatching ancient aliens kind of
opened my my eyes to a lot ofHistory things and, you know,
the
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (15:00):
I'm not saying it was aliens, but
it's pretty sure that it wasaliens.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (15:07):
Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (15:10):
That guy is crazy awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (15:12):
yes, yes, yes.
And so it just kind of, youknow, after I had my son, um, my
husband's grandma died.
She was 90, oh, she was like 98,I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (15:26):
So, So, So, So, So, So,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (15:39):
ready for that.
But I was like, I'll go.
I want to go and be there for myhusband.
And so we went.
And while I was there, I waslike, man, I want to see her
again.
Like, I want to see, I wantAtlas to enjoy his great
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (15:51):
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
(16:11):
Okay.
Okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (16:20):
what I need in my life right now.
And so I went for a couplemonths, I went to little Bible
studies.
I really did try to embrace and,you know, get in to, to, uh, I
guess push my whole self intothat group.
And um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (16:35):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_1302 (16:48):
spending time with my husband than I do
like at, you know, church withmy husband.
People that I don't really knowso it was just like there's got
to be something more I don'tbelieve necessarily that there
is like a one true church.
So
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (17:03):
going to talk about the code.
So, um, we're going to talkabout the numbers.
Um, the number is just a numberon the left.
So, if you're just, you know,you will see that they're just
numbers.
So, uh, in
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (17:18):
Like South Park.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (17:19):
South
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (17:19):
you're going to have numbers that are
just a number that you're goingto
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (17:25):
So what, what, uh, caused your
journey to go, I'm going tostart making Instagram reels
about this.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (17:31):
the
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (17:32):
How did that start?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (17:33):
Um, yeah, this is really hard, this
is hard to talk about, uh,because I didn't want to do
this, but I felt a pull in me.
And, um, So I had a falling outwith my parents a few years ago,
and we didn't talk for a year,um, because my mother just,
she's very controlling and Ifelt like I needed space.
So I took a step back.
(17:54):
I had my son and I was like, heneeds family.
So I was like, okay, I'll justgo back into it.
So I contacted them and it wasfine, but it wasn't until the
end of last year when I wastrying, I, I was reading more
stuff about Mormonism.
And it just was like, I want toshare why I left the church with
my parents.
Like, I really do.
(18:15):
Like, why don't they want toknow?
Do they not care to know?
Like, do they think I'm stupid?
Like, do they not trust that I'mkind of intelligent and like, I
have
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (18:24):
Wow.
Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (18:33):
And my sister too, who was kind of
active and I have two siblingswho are excommunicated.
So.
know, it's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (18:40):
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_13023 (19:03):
because you don't go to church.
I was like, I was
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (19:06):
Are you shitting me?
leah_1_02-21-2025_13 (19:07):
completely shocked.
I was like, do you think I'mgoing to like beat your kids?
Do you think I'm just a terriblemom?
nannette-_1_02-21-2025 (19:13):
Awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (19:25):
I have so much inside of me.
I haven't been able to tellanyone why I went home for my
mission.
And I just want to get this out.
started an Instagram and just.
told my story and it, it wentcrazy.
Yeah, it blew up.
It was wild.
So yeah, just there's, there'skind of a lot there for you, but
there you go.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (19:44):
Do you know what?
It's so healing to be able toget that out.
And I'm so sorry that that isthe way they reacted.
Um, it seems though that that'sa very typical Mormon reaction
and I refuse to participate inthe rebranding.
They are Mormons.
I was around when we had the I'ma Mormon campaign.
(20:04):
It will always be Mormon.
I'm still a Mormon and I'm goingto call it whatever the hell I
want.
It's Mormon.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (20:11):
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (20:12):
It's such a Mormon reaction though to
say, well, you're not a member.
And so you wouldn't be a goodparent for my children.
That is, it's so horrible.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (20:22):
mom this, I said, this is what my
sister said.
And she said, well, I understandwhy she says that.
So my mother agreed.
And I'm like, do you guys, I'ma, I am just, it's crazy, I, I,
yeah, I couldn't even believe,she agreed, my mother agreed,
and I thought, yep, this isexactly, I know exactly how my
family feels about me, and it'sall because I'm not Mormon, and
(20:45):
my sister would say, no it'snot, no it's not, I'm like, yes
it is, you still go, so theystill love you, I don't go, and
I want to be open about it, andyeah, it's sickening.
There's a lot of people that gothrough what I go through.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (21:00):
Yeah, unfortunately, there is a lot of
people with very similar storiesand a lot of, um, LDS people
that react that way.
I think that they're so gas litthat they actually think that
you're going to, you know,poison them somehow.
Um, by them being around you ortheir kids being around you or
whatever that may be.
But I mean, there's a lot of, I,a lot of my clients too are
(21:21):
mixed faith marriages, not likeme and Brad, but mixed faith,
um,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (21:27):
We're mixed faith in name only.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (21:29):
We're ones really, really in and ones
out and they're trying to workit out, you know, and neither
one's gonna budge.
And it's like, all that, thatMormon, um, shame on, on the
spouse that has left isincredible.
Incredible! And they kowtow toit.
So it's like, why can't we just,you know, walk our journeys and
(21:49):
be okay with wherever somebodyis?
I have clients that are very,very Mormon.
I have other clients that havenever been Mormon.
I have other clients that haveleft, and it's across the board,
but, um, we should all love eachother and be able to, um, cheer
for each other on our individualjourneys.
They don't have to be the same.
They need to be different, youknow, and and we should share
(22:11):
our strengths and where we'vewe've fallen so that we can help
each other is is my honestbelief system and what my own
clients have taught me.
I just I think it's just sad.
Um, I mean, I have familymembers that think I'm of the
occult, that I, what I do is ofthe occult.
And I'm just thinking, we are 99percent energy and 1 percent
(22:33):
mass.
Why would I not do energy work?
Like I help people heal.
Like why, why does that not makesense?
I'm like, yeah, no, just, it'scrazy to me, the gaslighting,
the shame.
And I mean, yeah, I have alifetime full of shame.
That's why it took me 47 yearsto be like, yeah, I don't think
I'm doing this.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (22:52):
Yeah.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13023 (22:52):
I, I, I so get you, but when you
were talking about how you'vebeen treated, it just resonated
with me because I'm just like,in a way, I'm like, I hate that
you felt that way, but inanother sense, I'm like, I'm so
glad that she's gone throughwhat I have experienced too
because you make, it makes younot feel so alone.
You know?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (23:11):
My, uh, it's very interesting.
My, um, my patriarchal blessingsays that I'm very articulate
and that I will, I'll spreadgoodness around the world and
I'll, and I'll speak the truth.
It literally says I will speakthe truth.
And to that, I say, that'sexactly what I'm fucking doing.
I am using it against thembecause
brad_1_02-21-2025_1302 (23:31):
Perfect.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (23:31):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (23:32):
And I feel that spiritual gifts, you
know, I've always been a peopleperson.
I, I feel it in my soul when I'mwith someone, you know, I love
connecting with others and it'sjust interesting like, yeah, I,
it's just, uh, it's mind blowinghow all of it, you know, can
come about so easy like that forsomeone, you know, where you
just like, Oh yeah, that makessense.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (23:53):
We're so much bigger than what any
religion lets us be.
And, um, once you, once youyou've stripped that away,
standing by yourself in your owntruth and light can be really
scary because the church definesyou.
Right.
But learning how to defineyourself.
Define yourself and findyourself and realize that this
is your school.
This is, this earth is ourschool.
(24:15):
And we're supposed to learn.
We're supposed to share.
We're supposed to make mistakes.
We're supposed to fall flat onour face and get back up and be
resilient and all the things.
Um, that's the beauty of life.
Um, I, I think, I think that'swhere the richness comes from.
I love what you do.
Absolutely love it.
Obsessed.
I stalk you all the time.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (24:34):
I've had people message me and be
like, I just spent the last fourhours watching your video and I
just worked a 12 hour shift, I'ma nurse and I'm like, Oh my
gosh, thank you.
Like it's, it's wild.
Yeah.
I mean, I just started it amonth ago and I'm like, it's
just crazy.
I didn't think it was going tobe like this and my parents, my
sister told my parents that Ihad started this page.
(24:55):
And I had already called my moma narcissist and so I knew it
was over.
I was like, well, it's out thereSo she really knows how I feel
and I thought there's just nogoing back And you know, what
were they going to do?
Anyways say, okay, go ahead.
Like we'll still love you.
Absolutely Like
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (25:11):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (25:12):
on online And uh, my dad has no
backbone and my mom's anarcissist and i'm i'm perfectly
okay with that because I feel Ifeel sad for them they did this
to themselves, but I feel like Ineeded to kind of go through
this to get to
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (25:29):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (25:29):
today to be like, Hey, be your fucking
self.
Don't, if you don't want to goto church, don't go to church.
If you feel weird about it, go.
If you want to leave yourspouse, get the fuck out.
Go.
You know, like do whatever it isthat's going to make you happy.
Because you literally only Ifeel you only have this time to
really define who you are Andyou don't want to fuck it up and
(25:50):
I don't want to be praying insome temple and paying Half of
my husband's income to them Justfor the hopes that I get into
heaven, maybe?
Like, like
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (26:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:03):
Well, it sounds like you've got some
really good boundariesestablished and you've learned a
lot of this stuff.
I wish I had learned it when Iwas your age.
Congratulations.
That's huge.
Really, to be able to go, look,they're going to do their thing
and that's a them problem.
I'm going to do this becauseit's what's right for me and I'm
going to speak my truth.
That is amazing.
And like Dan said, we, we bothlove your channel.
(26:24):
Keep up the great work.
Um, it's awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:28):
Thank
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:28):
thank you for, for what you've done.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:31):
thank
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:31):
think there's a big community of
people out there who are in thesame boat, right?
People need to understandthey're not alone.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:39):
And there's a lot of ex mormon
content out there, and there's alot of angry ex mormons, and
I'm, I'm pissed off, but I'mvery happy about it because it
is kind of, you know, like,Well, there you go.
That's how it is.
And so I tried
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (26:53):
just happily pissed.
It's okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (26:55):
I, try to make it not so serious
because it isn't that serious.
And life is supposed
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (27:02):
No.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (27:02):
And you know, I, I, I, I think
everyone should do what theywant.
Um, I believe people shouldworship whoever they believe.
You know, if you want to believein the flying spaghetti monster,
would go for it.
But, you know, I think that whenit comes to, um, you know,
letting people know about yourchurch, you need to be
(27:23):
transparent.
And that's the issue with theMormon churches.
They're not.
And they're fooling a lot ofpeople.
And that's, I don't like that.
Because I was fooled.
And I was forced to think acertain way.
And it's just, it's not how it'ssupposed to be.
And, um, Yeah, it's just nothealthy for anyone.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (27:41):
it's definitely not what they teach.
They teach you to be an honestperson, right?
And when they on the flip sideare the most dishonest.
I remember, um.
President Hinckley even said astatement.
I'm going to butcher it, I'msure, but it's something like,
you guys probably can help, butit's something like, um, either
the Mormon Church is the mosttrue church, um, on the face of
(28:03):
the earth, or it is the biggestfarce.
It's either one or the other,and I'm like, I almost like, um,
because they sign NDAs, right?
They can't tell shit.
I think it was his way of being,putting that question mark out
there, like, it could be thebiggest farce.
Ever.
The biggest lie.
(28:23):
that's exactly what it's been.
I mean, how do you have eightdifferent accounts of the first
vision?
Which one are you going to pick?
Because honestly, I've seenghosts with my eyes and my
visions don't change.
I don't change my mind and addan extra ghost.
You know, I don't, I don'tunderstand how you have eight
different accounts.
And you just change it as yougo.
I, I call bullshit, like, no,that's not true.
(28:46):
And, and if it's not true, thenall of it busts.
The whole foundation's gone.
Like, like their own prophetsaid.
And he was my prophet at thetime, but that put a question in
my mind when he said somethinglike that.
I just, it's so, so, sointeresting that
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (28:59):
That's an interesting rabbit hole to,
to jump down and go, okay, whatdid Hinkley say that was warning
us that this is BS?
That's I'm going to go jump downthat I think,
leah_1_02-21-2025_13023 (29:09):
saying, trust me, trust me.
Like, trust me, trust me.
Like with your whole everything.
And I watched a clip.
Um, I can't remember who it was.
I think it was boy K Packer andhe was talking to a bunch of
kids and he's like, you have totrust us.
Like we are God's people.
And it was just like, man, like,That is not okay.
Like it's,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (29:29):
you know,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:29):
how it works.
You know?
You, you, you're not, I'm not a,I, I don't fit in with the com,
the community anymore.
I did.
And you know, there are Mormonsthat do and thrive and love it.
Like my parents love beingMormon.
My dad would take a bullet forthe Mormon church and I really
nannette-_1_02-21-2025 (29:46):
Awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:46):
and I love that
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (29:47):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:48):
But I don't want it, it's not my
community
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (29:51):
right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (29:51):
I don't, it's, it's, I, it, it
fucked me up.
So I don't want to be there.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1302 (29:56):
I'm just going to say that those are
the lazy learners.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (30:00):
Yes.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:01):
Yeah
nannette-_1_02-21-2025 (30:02):
Because, because this stuff and having it
become your truth and livingyour truth is work.
Yeah.
It's not easy, and it's not forthe faint of heart.
The lazy learners are the onesthat are like, Oh, please give
me the checkbox so that I canmake it to the celestial
kingdom, and I'll just do allthe things and I'll pay my way,
and that's where I'll go.
And it's like, anything I dowrong, I'm gonna blame on Satan,
(30:22):
and oh, by the way, I have thesecond anointing, so I can do
whatever I want.
Like, Are you kidding
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (30:27):
oh, that's a whole other topic,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (30:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:30):
I told my dad I was like, you know,
joseph was he like was arrestedfor fraud Like he was scamming
people because he was a glasslooker.
I was like dad.
There's literal Court papersthat say this.
Like, do you want to see them?
And he's like, I don't care.
He's like, everyone has a past.
And I was like, are you fuckingkidding me?
Like, how can you not want tolook at that?
Like, don't you want to knowabout Joseph?
Like, I do.
(30:50):
I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130 (30:50):
Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_13 (30:50):
everything about that con man, because
it's, it's
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (30:54):
right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:55):
And
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (30:56):
Right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (30:56):
little things that they just kind of
like push under that you'relike, okay, you, you, you don't
get it.
And it's sad.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (31:03):
Well, that's just anti Mormon
propaganda.
You can't believe that.
That's anti Mormon.
And, and a lot of people jump onand say, well, yeah, you're an
Exmo.
You've made that your wholepersonality.
Well, no, I'm working through mytrauma because I had 50 years of
being in this stuff.
So now it's time to work throughit.
Right.
And I think that's one of thethings that, um, pages like
(31:24):
yours, Really help us all towork through and go, yeah, I can
relate to that.
So thank you for sharing those.
And, and
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (31:30):
You're awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:30):
you.
This was
brad_1_02-21-2025_1 (31:31):
absolutely.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:32):
I, I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236 (31:32):
I
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:32):
hope
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (31:33):
Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:33):
each other one day in person.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (31:36):
would love it.
Where do you live?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:37):
up in the Ogden
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_1 (31:38):
You're
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:38):
So
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13 (31:39):
Ogden area.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've got your digits when we'reup in that area.
I'll holler at you.
Maybe we can grab dinner orsomething.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235 (31:44):
would be
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227 (31:45):
Yep.
And if you get to ST George,please let us know.
We'll, we'll buy you dinner anddrinks.
So thank you Leah so much forbeing on.
We really appreciate it.
Um, yeah, it's been awesome tovisit with you, get to know you.
And for those of you out therewatching or listening, go check
out Leah's page.
It's that, ah, excuse me, thatone exmo.
(32:06):
Go and find her.
She's got some great content outthere.
You'll really enjoy it.
thank you again, Leah.
And for all of you out there,we'll see you.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_13023 (32:14):
On the other side of the veil.
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