October 10, 2024 • 28 mins
Join us on the 'Mormon to Medium' podcast as we delve into the rich history and paranormal mysteries of the St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans' French Quarter. In this episode, we explore tales of the ghostly hymns of ethereal friars, drunken pirates who still roam the streets, and historical figures like Marie Laveau. Discover the cathedral's dramatic past, from fires to hurricanes, and its evolution into a basilica. Get ready for intriguing insights and good humor in this captivating episode.
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Nannette (00:01):
Welcome to the Mormon to medium podcast, where we'll
talk about spirituality, theparanormal religion, and my
journey going from Mormon tomedium.
I'm Nanette Wride.
Thanks for listening.
Now let's go have some fun.
Brad (00:20):
This is the Mormon to medium podcast I'm Brad and I'm
here with Nanette
Nannette (00:24):
Hi guys.
Brad (00:26):
Hello
Nannette (00:27):
Welcome.
Brad (00:27):
We are going to be talking about another haunted location
in New Orleans.
Last week, if you joined us,you'll know, we got to talk
about the famous and verymacabre Lalarie mansion and the
horrific events that happenedthere.
This week, Nan has got
Nannette (00:46):
information
Brad (00:47):
on another very haunted location in New Orleans,
downtown French quarter.
Nannette (00:54):
And in the last episode, we also mentioned, that
LaLaurie got married in the St.
Louis Cathedral.
And I, I was like, had things,my light bulbs go off, you know,
cause I was like, Oh, okay.
Because that's supposed to beanother place that's haunted.
And so that's, we're going totalk about is the St.
Louis Cathedral.
Brad (01:11):
sweet!.
Nannette (01:12):
Yeah.
Brad (01:13):
That cathedral is probably one of the more prominent places
within downtown New Orleansbecause that's like the
gathering place.
Everyone gathers there in,Jackson Square,
Nannette (01:24):
right?
Well, it's in the French Quarterand, um, it's in Jackson Square,
but it's also hundreds of yearsold.
So it's been there and it's beenrebuilt three different times.
So this is a place where, youknow, Catholics would go to
worship.
They'd go to get baptized,married, you know, all the
things.
And um, so it was a big deal andit has always been a big deal,
(01:46):
but it's gone through its phasesand, um, it's got a history.
Brad (01:50):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Well, and Catholicism has justas big a role in early New
Orleans as voodoo, right?
Nannette (01:58):
It's true.
It's true.
So I didn't realize this, butJackson's score is actually
named after Andrew
Brad (02:04):
Yes it is, because he actually was the general in the
War of 1812, who helped defeatthe British, with the help of
who?
Do you remember?
No.
The pirates.
Nannette (02:17):
That is true.
Yeah.
He gathered the pirates and thatwas one of, um, yeah.
That was one of LeLari'shusband's friends, Lafitte, Jean
Lafitte.
And
Brad (02:27):
and it said that Lafitte's husband at the time, John Blanc
was friends with the piratesbecause he was a privateer,
right?
And he was friends with thepirates and actually helped
convince them that it was intheir best interest to help
fight for the Americas at thetime, which a lot of their
victory is actually attributedto the Lafitte's.
Nannette (02:48):
Right, right.
It's interesting to me how NewOrleans is not a big town.
It's a small town.
Everything kind of interminglestogether.
It kind of weaves together.
And as I've looked into this onseveral different sites and
stuff, It's, it's just really,really cool.
So, um, and you just touched onvoodoo a little bit.
(03:11):
So just to put this out there,um, Marie Laveau, you mentioned
her in the last one too, she'sthe voodoo priestess queen of
new Orleans, right?
She's also the reason why wenamed our dog voodoo, but she
also was baptized and married inthe St.
Louis cathedral.
Brad (03:31):
Oh, that's awesome.
I did not know
Nannette (03:33):
she was.
Brad (03:34):
I would think that she would have her own little voodoo
ceremony.
Nannette (03:37):
No, she was not always a voodoo queen.
Um, she actually got marriedthere.
And then at five years afterbeing married, um, her husband
supposedly went back to Haiti,but there's been rumors that she
may have ended his existence.
Um,
Brad (03:54):
she unalived him?
Unalived him.
Ha ha
Nannette (03:57):
but.
Supposedly he went back to Haitibecause the fighting in Haiti
had ended and he was from Haiti.
So, then is when she really gotinto the voodoo stuff.
And a lot of people think thatvoodoo is really, really dark
magic and all about death.
But what it really was, Um, wasto help bless people and bring
goodness into people's lives.
(04:18):
And so it was all about teachingthe people about intention and
the power of, you know, magicand bringing that into your
life.
So I thought that was reallycool because that's what she's
known for.
So she's not known as being evilat
Brad (04:33):
not known as Marie Laveau, the Catholic.
Nannette (04:37):
definitely not.
And when she was married andbaptized, she went by just
Marie.
It wasn't her whole name.
So, yeah, so if you look onrecords and stuff, she's known
as just Marie,
Brad (04:49):
So what you're saying is if she had a podcast, it would
be to medium.
Nannette (04:56):
so New Orleans was founded in 1718.
And the Catholic cathedral, itwasn't a cathedral at the time,
but it was being built in 1724.
But it was raised in 1793 to thestatus of a cathedral.
And what that means is that ithas a Bishop that's over it.
Um, and it was raised by thediocese of New Orleans.
(05:16):
The cool thing too, is it's gottwo historic buildings on each
side to, um, a Presbyterianbuilding and one that they call
the Cabildo.
Um, but it, it is also the home.
Of two of the most respectedfigures in New Orleans
Brad (05:32):
Okay, who
Nannette (05:33):
during the 18th and 19th centuries.
Um, they call them PierreAntoine and Dagobert.
So Dagobert.
Brad (05:42):
Dagobert.
Nannette (05:43):
Yeah,
Brad (05:44):
That sounds like something you would hear on like the Star
Wars series,
Nannette (05:47):
All right.
Brad (05:48):
I went to Dagobah, but then I went to Dagobert, and
it's a much nicer society.
They've cleaned up the jungles,there's no snakes, it's a great
area.
Yeah.
So these writers
Nannette (06:02):
So, so these, these friars were very, very
different.
their personalities were reallydifferent.
So Antone or Antoine, if youwant to say it right, um, he was
dedicated to helping theenslaved and the prisoners, um,
and he's the one that baptizedMarie Laveau.
So,
Brad (06:18):
Got it.
So, um, And that was in theearly 1800s for him?
Yes.
So, in the early 1800s, theyfigure that New Orleans had a
population, uh, less than 10,000.
So, and it grew to over 150, 000by 1860.
So, they had a little bit of apopulation explosion.
but initially, about 60 percentof the population were enslaved
(06:42):
peoples.
Nannette (06:44):
Right, right.
Well, and, um, Antoine, he, hearrived in 1774.
So shortly after the church wasbuilt or the cathedral was built
and his death was in 1829, buthe was super well known for, um,
for going and intermingling withthe city's underclasses.
(07:05):
And he worked tirelessly to helpthe poor.
And like I said, the prisonersand slaves I've got so much
information on him, it's crazy.
Because they have, they havelike an alley on the side of the
church called the Antoine alley.
Brad (07:21):
And
Nannette (07:22):
And his spirit has been seen to walk down this
alley.
And he's singing church hymns inthe early morning.
He's been seen several
Brad (07:29):
Oh! Now wait a minute, is this just from people who are
like, leaving Bourbon Streetearly in the morning?
You would think! But
Nannette (07:36):
think, but you know, you've got Cafe du Monde that's
near there.
You've got Early morning, you'retalking coffee and beignets is
like, and a lot of people gatherthere.
You've got tarot readers, you'vegot artists,
Brad (07:49):
musicians, like all
Nannette (07:50):
like all different kinds of
Brad (07:51):
Well, it's great because it's actually closed off to
traffic, so people walk throughthere and it's, yeah, it's
actually a beautiful area.
So, yeah, I could see peopleending up through that area
early in the morning and it isadjacent to Bourbon Street as
Nannette (08:04):
Exactly.
It is part of the FrenchQuarter.
Um, but he was so well loved inthe community that both the
garden behind the cathedral andthe Northeast alley are named
after him.
So that's the alley I wastalking about.
So 1793, he was appointed therector.
I'm not really sure what thatmeans.
I think that he fixes things, heraises things, um, but he served
(08:27):
as a rector of there until hedied.
Brad (08:29):
So I think it's important to give a little bit of
perspective on the history, andwe should have done this on the
last episode when we talkedabout the Lolares.
But New Orleans was initiallypart of the Kingdom of France
from 1718 till 1763.
It belonged to France in 1763,Spain took it over until
Nannette (08:52):
1802,
Brad (08:52):
is when the French took it over and they only had it for a
short period of time.
So 1802 to 1803, which is whenthe United States purchased that
as part of that Louisianapurchase.
Exactly.
Nannette (09:04):
Exactly.
And if you think about it, it'sgot all those ports all the way
around there.
And so it's really the hub of alot of business.
Brad (09:11):
absolutely.
And the Mississippi River comesright down there.
So anything you ship can goright there, either in
Nannette (09:17):
States.
Brad (09:18):
very strategic port.
Nannette (09:19):
Yeah, it's a big deal, a really big deal.
I'm very profitable, but I'mback to Antoine at the day that
he died, the whole entire cityshut down and, all the
businesses they closed earlythat day to pay respects to his
death.
So like he was a big deal to thecity.
think it's interesting that hewould be seen in the alley, not
(09:40):
inside the church, but insidethe alley.
Brad (09:44):
think that it would be, well, maybe they just don't
report seeing him in the churchbecause it's probably, you know,
people who work in the churchwho might see him.
So maybe they don't report thata lot.
Maybe
Nannette (10:02):
and is the main figure is Pierre Dagobert that we
talked about and he's originallyfrom Quebec, but he moved to New
Orleans, um, to become part ofthe Catholic Church and he
became the priest of the St.
Louis Cathedral in 1745.
And as soon as he was appointed,He was praised for his kindness,
his dedication to New Orleans.
He was kind of a, you know, abig figure
Brad (10:25):
That's because he's Canadian.
Everyone knows Canadians arepolite and kind.
Tons and Tons
Nannette (10:30):
tons and tons and tons of, you know, weddings and
births and funerals and all thethings.
And he was also a foodie whohung out at the taverns and the
bars.
So he was kind of looked down
Brad (10:43):
Now, wait a minute.
Was he a foodie or was he analky?
Nannette (10:48):
Well, let me, let me continue because I think it's a
little bit more, um, he was seenwearing non traditional Catholic
clothing.
So he wouldn't dress the part alot.
And
Brad (11:02):
wore the dresses still back then, I'm sure, right?
Nannette (11:04):
they also had like a three pointed hat.
That they would wear back then.
Um, and he, it's called atricorn hat.
And, um, they kind of, kind oflooked down on the fact that he
was more lax with things, but healso was seen, um, in with the
pirates.
Brad (11:22):
was that hat like what you see George Washington wear all
the time?
That type of hat?
Nannette (11:26):
I'm not sure.
Look up a tricorn hat,
Brad (11:30):
Yes it is.
That is a George Washington hat.
George
Nannette (11:33):
Washington.
So he, he didn't want to wearit.
So, but he, he would also,
Brad (11:39):
it's because that's what Jack Sparrow wore, and he didn't
want to be associated with thepirate.
Jack Sparrow I,
Nannette (11:46):
I find interesting, too, is in 1718, the church was
dedicated to King Louis theFourth of France, and that's how
it came up with St.
Louis, because it's, so St.
Louis is really what it is, buthe's the only French king to be
made a saint.
Brad (12:03):
Oh.
Nannette (12:04):
So he, he's the only one and I think that that was
really interesting.
But the church stood for 70years until a fire broke out in
1788 and tore through NewOrleans.
And then there was another firethat broke out in 1794.
And you have to understand thehouses are built really, really
close together.
(12:24):
And there's timbers, the timbersare made of cypress.
So kind of like our big treesout there, um, that's what they
used.
And, um, the fire began at thehome of an army treasurer, Don
Vincent Jesus Nunez, Nunez, Iguess is how you say that.
I know.
Anyway, he lived next door tothe church.
(12:46):
So the fire broke out at hishouse and it is, it is known to
just have swept through not onlythe church, but New Orleans and
it was on Good Friday.
So on Good Friday.
the priests had decided not toring the bells as a warning to
the people in New Orleans.
And so they kept it quiet.
And so the city burned.
(13:06):
And so, that with the heavywinds made things burn really,
really fast.
And there was no warning to thepeople that this was happening.
Brad (13:17):
Wow.
Nannette (13:18):
So it led to even more damage.
Brad (13:20):
So
Nannette (13:21):
So, this was Antonio, he was the church priest and he
got blamed for the destructionof the city by lots of the
locals because he didn't, hedidn't let people know with the
bells in the church that therewas danger.
Brad (13:33):
he didn't ring the bells and they're like, uh, dude,
what's up?
Wow.
Nannette (13:39):
So, so the second church was in 1794 and a year
before that, being, being,being, being A year before that
being rebuilt, it was raised tothe status of a cathedral by the
New Orleans diocese.
Um, the central spire and theclock were put on in 1815 to
commemorate the victory of theBattle of New Orleans.
(14:00):
And then in 1850, the church gota facelift.
Most of the Spanish architecturewas demolished and then rebuilt.
Um, the spire was made, And thewhole church was made bigger
because they had moreparishioners.
Um, interesting again, in 1909,it was bombed.
(14:20):
They have never caught theculprits.
It was bombed.
Brad (14:24):
That's crazy.
You don't hear about that very
Nannette (14:26):
luckily no one was there and so no one was hurt,
but they never did catch theculprits
Brad (14:31):
what year was that?
Nannette (14:31):
in 1909.
And then a few years after that,A category three hurricane came
through and wrecked the churchagain.
And then in 2005, yeah, she'sgone through a lot in 2005.
You, you have hurricane Katrinathat hit, but all that happened
during that, um, was a hole inthe roof.
So she tore a hole in the roofthis church has been, um,
(14:54):
dedicated by a couple of popes.
So it's interesting because tobe a cathedral is one thing, but
to be a basilica is somethingdifferent.
Brad (15:02):
Well, yeah, I've, cause I've heard both of those names,
but I have no idea what thedifferentiation
Nannette (15:07):
So a cathedral and the locals call this a cathedral,
but the cathedral just meansthat it has a bishop that
resides over it, presides overit.
Um, but a basilica, um, Meansit's blessed by the Pope and
that it has extra, um, leeway todo more things because it has
(15:27):
the power of the Pope
Brad (15:28):
it.
Interesting.
So, so, it's given the pope'sblessing.
He doesn't actually come andlike,
Nannette (15:34):
Oh, he did.
No, he did.
So Pope John Paul, the fourthvisited the cathedral in 1964
and declared it a minorBasilica.
Brad (15:42):
Oh.
Well, I'll be damned.
Nannette (15:43):
Isn't that crazy?
Very cool.
But holy cow, that the thing hasgone through so many things.
I think it deserves to be abasilica, honestly.
And then again, in 1987, um,Pope John Paul, the second
visited the cathedral or thebasilica.
Brad (16:00):
back
Nannette (16:00):
So, back to the really cool alleys that are there, we
talked about the Antoine Alley,um, and his spirit being seen
Brad (16:07):
there, Antoine.
Antoine.
Uh, yeah, I can't even pretendto
Nannette (16:11):
I, I don't know, I'm not French, so, my name's French
though, but I can't
Brad (16:16):
I don't speak French.
Nannette (16:17):
ho ho ho, hee hee hee,
Brad (16:18):
that.
Nannette (16:20):
um, but there's also Pirate And it is named for the
legendary Jean Lafitte, who youtalked about in your story
Brad (16:29):
Jean Pierre Lafayette, right?
Nannette (16:31):
Yes, he actually had his favorite bar that was just
around the corner from thecathedral and it was called the
Absinthe House, which I think isreally
Brad (16:41):
cool.
Is it still there?
Nannette (16:42):
I don't know.
Brad (16:43):
Well, we're going to find out right
Nannette (16:45):
Find out right now.
Brad (16:46):
find out right
Nannette (16:46):
As you're looking it up though, I will tell you that
the pirates used to sell theirbootlegged wares along that
alley and through the fence atnight.
And all I can think of is gloryholes when
Brad (16:55):
you think
Nannette (16:55):
in the middle of the night.
My mind went there and I giggledand I was like, okay, I'm no
good for
Brad (17:00):
I'm selling my booty We to sell it through the fence.
Oh my God.
Come take my wee wee wee.
Oh my
Nannette (17:13):
That this cathedral, it was actually built on the
graveyard, um, For so manyhundreds of years.
And so there's lots of ghoststhat are seen.
it just depends on where you'reat.
Brad (17:25):
There is a bar, the Old Absinthe House.
Uh, it says since 1807, it's onthe corner of Bourbon and
Bienville.
So it
Nannette (17:35):
So it looks like we need to go there.
Brad (17:36):
Yep.
Nannette (17:37):
So there you go.
Our friends that are going withus, we are going,
Brad (17:40):
Okay, we're going.
Nannette (17:42):
already have our itinerary half done.
Brad (17:44):
Oh my gosh.
Right?
Nannette (17:45):
Heck yeah.
Brad (17:46):
So while we've got pirates selling their booty on the
alley, it's called La La feetsalley.
What
Nannette (17:52):
are, no, it's called Pirate Alley.
Brad (17:54):
alley.
Excuse me.
Okay.
And do we have paranormalactivity from them selling their
booties?
Nannette (18:01):
Yeah.
Pirates.
They say that Jean Leite hasbeen seen walking down that
alley.
Brad (18:05):
Oh, is that also after the partying on Bourbon Street is
Nannette (18:09):
right?
You know, I think she wonder,but I guess we're gonna go find
out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Brad (18:13):
we're going to have to party late on Bourbon Street to
find
Nannette (18:16):
to find out.
Well and I'd be curious too tobe up there and, you know, go
down the alleyways early in themorning and see if we can hear
some hymns being sung becauseyou will have one of the friars
singing the hymns.
I know they're
Brad (18:31):
Well, all I know is I'm going for the char grilled
oysters.
Nannette (18:37):
so delicious.
You can't find oysters like thatanywhere and they're not slimy
so they're so good.
Brad (18:42):
Oh, that's because they're cooked.
Nannette (18:45):
With butter and garlic and, oh, so good.
Brad (18:48):
I guess if you put butter and garlic and cheese on
anything, it's good.
Nannette (18:51):
And cook it, you mean?
Yes.
Yeah, don't leave it raw.
It's nasty.
Just nasty.
Brad (18:56):
So tell me more.
What other ghosts have been seenaround?
Nannette (18:59):
would be all that's been seen there.
Brad (19:01):
been seen there.
Nannette (19:03):
You've got the, the couple of friars.
Some people have said they'veseen LaLaurie
Brad (19:07):
they've seen lollary there.
That's interesting.
I wonder, I wonder how theywould, how would they know it
was her?
Nannette (19:14):
I, I don't buy it because you're literally, this,
this place is built on agraveyard and you've got people,
additionally,
Brad (19:23):
an Indian graveyard.
No, in
Nannette (19:25):
know a New Orleans
Brad (19:26):
okay.
So they had a graveyard thereand then they built.
On
Nannette (19:30):
On top of it, because it's, remember the cathedral is
smaller and then it burnt downand then it got bigger and then
it got
Brad (19:37):
bigger.
Okay.
So it probably had a graveyardbehind it or near,
Nannette (19:42):
still has a garden and stuff in it.
Brad (19:44):
see.
Nannette (19:45):
It's also been said, there's a story I want to tell
you,
Brad (19:47):
Story time.
Okay.
So
Nannette (19:50):
additionally, Pierre Antoine, he, he's the one that's
most commonly spotted.
and he's easily recognizablebecause there's a gigantic
portrait of him in the church.
He's usually seen on the balconyor the altar, especially near
the holidays.
And, um, people have seen himlooking through the window at
(20:10):
midnight mass, holding a candle,
Brad (20:13):
Wow.
Nannette (20:14):
but he's also seen in that alleyway that bears his
name.
So the Antoine alley.
And he also appears early in themorning, humming church songs,
like I said, um, but he's beenseen for over a hundred years by
many, many people.
So he's kind of a normal one.
Brad (20:30):
have Dagobert, who's commonly seen at the
Nannette (20:34):
And then you have Dagobert who's commonly seen at
the cathedral as well.
They say that he can be heard,heard singing a hymn called
Kylie on rainy mornings.
He tends to walk out of the St.
Louis cathedral and strodestroll down pirate alley,
humming the entire way.
Brad (20:50):
Interesting.
Nannette (20:52):
So, this is the story I was looking for, this is
interesting to me anyway, um,when Spain took over the city in
1768, a group of French Creolesousted the new Spanish governor
and Spain didn't appreciate therevolt and sent their soldiers
to come and crush the revolt.
Brad (21:08):
Oh,
Nannette (21:09):
Here's the thing, Dagobert was actually working
for, um, the Spanish king.
And so, um, he was actually kindof a bit of a spy a little bit.
Brad (21:22):
Yeah.
Nannette (21:22):
and so he was reporting
Brad (21:24):
politics have gone hand in hand for years.
Yeah.
Since the beginning of religion.
right.
So that makes
Nannette (21:32):
It does make sense.
He reported back that he neededadditional soldiers to kill
these people.
Because we
Brad (21:38):
Because we also do very humane things in the name of
god.
Nannette (21:41):
uh huh.
I thought it was interesting.
Anyway, um, five
Brad (21:45):
five
Nannette (21:45):
of the surviving Creole ringleaders were rounded
up and shot, and the Spanishordered the bodies not to be
buried.
But Dagobert felt really bad andhis men went and retrieved the
bodies under the nose of theSpaniards.
And Dagobert gave them a properburial on the church grounds.
And that is where he is seen tobe guarding their bodies because
he was a guilty fucker.
Brad (22:06):
Interesting.
So he's like haunted and this ishis punishment.
Nannette (22:10):
Uh huh.
Uh huh.
I think that that's reallyinteresting.
Brad (22:13):
Interesting.
Oh, that'll be cool.
Do you think they're stillhaving people sell booty through
the fence?
Nannette (22:23):
I truly doubt it, but there might be some glory holes,
but there's also another pirateby the name of Reginald Hicks.
Um, who fell in love with abeautiful Creole woman just a
few months before the war of1812.
He was, he rushed to hurry andmarry her because he found out
that she was pregnant with hischild and he didn't want to
(22:45):
leave her destitute.
Um, the only priest that wouldmarry them was this German
priest, um, who was in prison.
So he stood on the other side ofthe, The prison bars and got
married to her and then he waskilled in the war.
So they say that the Hicks, um,walks those alleyways and is
haunted because that's where hemarried her and his life kind of
(23:08):
was good then and then fellapart in the worst.
So,
Brad (23:11):
Interesting.
Nannette (23:12):
yeah, so you're, there's a couple of pirates, a
couple of friars, you know,other people that can be seen.
So I think it's places
Brad (23:19):
place is worth checking out.
Nannette (23:22):
Yeah.
I think it's interesting thatthe pirates had anything to do
with the The cathedral or thepeople that were there, you
would think that they would belooked down upon or something.
I mean, hello, you look at theculture now, you're not doing
certain things you're lookeddown upon.
So you
Brad (23:38):
so you'd think.
The entire founding of NewOrleans, though, you
Nannette (23:47):
it's true with all those ports
Brad (23:48):
yeah, they're all right
Nannette (23:50):
nothing would happen, including the slave trade.
I mean, all of it.
Yeah,
Brad (23:55):
Fascinating.
Wow.
Well, I can't wait to go andsee.
Nannette (23:58):
I know we've never gone in there.
We've seen it
Brad (24:01):
we've seen the outside.
The pictures of the inside lookbeautiful.
Nannette (24:04):
They do.
And I want to see this pictureof Antoine
Brad (24:07):
And to them.
Nannette (24:08):
Antoine.
Brad (24:11):
Well, I'm very much looking forward to exploring
this haunted area.
and we'll just add that rightalong with the Lalari Mansion,
uh, Jackson Square and St.
Louis Cathedral.
Nannette (24:23):
Cathedral.
And we're going to look intosome more places too.
I think there's many, many more.
I want to see, uh,
Brad (24:29):
see, uh
Nannette (24:30):
what's it called?
Midget wrestling?
No.
Ew.
You are so fixated on that.
You're so 14.
Brad (24:38):
I, I don't know that I can call it that.
Little person wrestling might bemore appropriate.
Nannette (24:42):
no,
Brad (24:44):
I don't know
Nannette (24:45):
that's not what I
Brad (24:46):
I don't know how to be PC on that.
Nannette (24:48):
I want to see one of the big, huge mansions,
Brad (24:51):
You mean a plantation?
Nannette (24:52):
a plantation.
Yeah, I want, I, part of medoesn't want to fill the part of
the plantation that I know I'mgoing to feel, but I just want
to see.
You
Brad (25:02):
a big plantation in
Nannette (25:04):
a big plantation in Nashville.
Brad (25:09):
Yeah, so maybe
Nannette (25:10):
that's a coincidence.
Brad (25:14):
Well, that's a coincidence because we're gonna see Jackson
Square.
Nannette (25:20):
Square.
No.
Andrew Jackson's
Brad (25:25):
Andrew Jackson.
Nannette (25:26):
Jackson.
Brad (25:28):
Yeah, same Andrew Jackson.
Nannette (25:30):
you kidding?
I didn't realize that.
I know my history.
Okay, let me just put those outthere.
I had a really boring historyteacher growing up and so
history is not my forte.
I love it now as an adult, butum, yeah, it wasn't my forte
because it was boring from theteacher.
I think it's super interestingnow though, so, okay, so I'm
putting my.
Brad (25:49):
so
Nannette (25:49):
My history together.
That's crazy.
That's really cool because I'vebeen to his place
Brad (25:54):
I've been
Nannette (25:55):
the hermitage
Brad (25:56):
The Hermitage.
Yeah,
Nannette (25:57):
in Nashville.
Yeah, and and I did feel somereally really really heavy
energy
Brad (26:02):
there Oh, I can
Nannette (26:03):
And I cried I stood in one place and just cried and
cried.
So, um Yeah, this will beinteresting Fantastic.
Brad (26:10):
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
I don't know that that's theright word.
Nannette (26:14):
I cry?
Rude.
Brad (26:14):
Yeah.
Like I said, that's not the
Nannette (26:17):
not the word.
Yeah.
You're at a loss for
Brad (26:20):
Do you know what?
I mean the right thing.
I just don't always say theright
Nannette (26:24):
That is freaking true.
I know your heart is pure, butsometimes, sometimes.
I'm
Brad (26:29):
Well, I'm super excited to go to New Orleans with you and
discover all kinds of hauntedplaces, beautiful places,
amazing food, and great friends.
Nannette (26:39):
yeah.
Heck yeah.
Brad (26:40):
In fact, if you've been listening to the podcast, you
will remember Wylin from episode66.
We're actually going with Wylinand his wife to New Orleans.
We're very excited about it.
It's going to be a ton of fun.
So we can't wait to get back toeveryone and let you know what
we learn.
Nannette (26:57):
They are super fun and I think that Wylin's wife is
like one of our greatest, fans.
She has, she has our, our showmemory.
She knows more about our showthan we do, I
Brad (27:07):
Yeah.
Shout out to Kristen.
She's fucking awesome.
Yeah.
And there's our F bomb.
So that makes our show explicitand uh, it's only available to
adults now.
Nannette (27:18):
Well,
Brad (27:19):
All for Kristen.
You're
Nannette (27:20):
welcome.
Fucker Right.
Brad (27:25):
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Nannette (28:06):
on the other side of the veil.
Welcome to the Mormon to medium podcast, where we'll
talk about spirituality, theparanormal religion, and my
journey going from Mormon tomedium.
I'm Nanette Wride.
Thanks for listening.
Now let's go have some fun.
Brad (00:20):
This is the Mormon to medium podcast I'm Brad and I'm
here with Nanette
Nannette (00:24):
Hi guys.
Brad (00:26):
Hello
Nannette (00:27):
Welcome.
Brad (00:27):
We are going to be talking about another haunted location
in New Orleans.
Last week, if you joined us,you'll know, we got to talk
about the famous and verymacabre Lalarie mansion and the
horrific events that happenedthere.
This week, Nan has got
Nannette (00:46):
information
Brad (00:47):
on another very haunted location in New Orleans,
downtown French quarter.
Nannette (00:54):
And in the last episode, we also mentioned, that
LaLaurie got married in the St.
Louis Cathedral.
And I, I was like, had things,my light bulbs go off, you know,
cause I was like, Oh, okay.
Because that's supposed to beanother place that's haunted.
And so that's, we're going totalk about is the St.
Louis Cathedral.
Brad (01:11):
sweet!.
Nannette (01:12):
Yeah.
Brad (01:13):
That cathedral is probably one of the more prominent places
within downtown New Orleansbecause that's like the
gathering place.
Everyone gathers there in,Jackson Square,
Nannette (01:24):
right?
Well, it's in the French Quarterand, um, it's in Jackson Square,
but it's also hundreds of yearsold.
So it's been there and it's beenrebuilt three different times.
So this is a place where, youknow, Catholics would go to
worship.
They'd go to get baptized,married, you know, all the
things.
And um, so it was a big deal andit has always been a big deal,
(01:46):
but it's gone through its phasesand, um, it's got a history.
Brad (01:50):
Yeah, I can imagine.
Well, and Catholicism has justas big a role in early New
Orleans as voodoo, right?
Nannette (01:58):
It's true.
It's true.
So I didn't realize this, butJackson's score is actually
named after Andrew
Brad (02:04):
Yes it is, because he actually was the general in the
War of 1812, who helped defeatthe British, with the help of
who?
Do you remember?
No.
The pirates.
Nannette (02:17):
That is true.
Yeah.
He gathered the pirates and thatwas one of, um, yeah.
That was one of LeLari'shusband's friends, Lafitte, Jean
Lafitte.
And
Brad (02:27):
and it said that Lafitte's husband at the time, John Blanc
was friends with the piratesbecause he was a privateer,
right?
And he was friends with thepirates and actually helped
convince them that it was intheir best interest to help
fight for the Americas at thetime, which a lot of their
victory is actually attributedto the Lafitte's.
Nannette (02:48):
Right, right.
It's interesting to me how NewOrleans is not a big town.
It's a small town.
Everything kind of interminglestogether.
It kind of weaves together.
And as I've looked into this onseveral different sites and
stuff, It's, it's just really,really cool.
So, um, and you just touched onvoodoo a little bit.
(03:11):
So just to put this out there,um, Marie Laveau, you mentioned
her in the last one too, she'sthe voodoo priestess queen of
new Orleans, right?
She's also the reason why wenamed our dog voodoo, but she
also was baptized and married inthe St.
Louis cathedral.
Brad (03:31):
Oh, that's awesome.
I did not know
Nannette (03:33):
she was.
Brad (03:34):
I would think that she would have her own little voodoo
ceremony.
Nannette (03:37):
No, she was not always a voodoo queen.
Um, she actually got marriedthere.
And then at five years afterbeing married, um, her husband
supposedly went back to Haiti,but there's been rumors that she
may have ended his existence.
Um,
Brad (03:54):
she unalived him?
Unalived him.
Ha ha
Nannette (03:57):
but.
Supposedly he went back to Haitibecause the fighting in Haiti
had ended and he was from Haiti.
So, then is when she really gotinto the voodoo stuff.
And a lot of people think thatvoodoo is really, really dark
magic and all about death.
But what it really was, Um, wasto help bless people and bring
goodness into people's lives.
(04:18):
And so it was all about teachingthe people about intention and
the power of, you know, magicand bringing that into your
life.
So I thought that was reallycool because that's what she's
known for.
So she's not known as being evilat
Brad (04:33):
not known as Marie Laveau, the Catholic.
Nannette (04:37):
definitely not.
And when she was married andbaptized, she went by just
Marie.
It wasn't her whole name.
So, yeah, so if you look onrecords and stuff, she's known
as just Marie,
Brad (04:49):
So what you're saying is if she had a podcast, it would
be to medium.
Nannette (04:56):
so New Orleans was founded in 1718.
And the Catholic cathedral, itwasn't a cathedral at the time,
but it was being built in 1724.
But it was raised in 1793 to thestatus of a cathedral.
And what that means is that ithas a Bishop that's over it.
Um, and it was raised by thediocese of New Orleans.
(05:16):
The cool thing too, is it's gottwo historic buildings on each
side to, um, a Presbyterianbuilding and one that they call
the Cabildo.
Um, but it, it is also the home.
Of two of the most respectedfigures in New Orleans
Brad (05:32):
Okay, who
Nannette (05:33):
during the 18th and 19th centuries.
Um, they call them PierreAntoine and Dagobert.
So Dagobert.
Brad (05:42):
Dagobert.
Nannette (05:43):
Yeah,
Brad (05:44):
That sounds like something you would hear on like the Star
Wars series,
Nannette (05:47):
All right.
Brad (05:48):
I went to Dagobah, but then I went to Dagobert, and
it's a much nicer society.
They've cleaned up the jungles,there's no snakes, it's a great
area.
Yeah.
So these writers
Nannette (06:02):
So, so these, these friars were very, very
different.
their personalities were reallydifferent.
So Antone or Antoine, if youwant to say it right, um, he was
dedicated to helping theenslaved and the prisoners, um,
and he's the one that baptizedMarie Laveau.
So,
Brad (06:18):
Got it.
So, um, And that was in theearly 1800s for him?
Yes.
So, in the early 1800s, theyfigure that New Orleans had a
population, uh, less than 10,000.
So, and it grew to over 150, 000by 1860.
So, they had a little bit of apopulation explosion.
but initially, about 60 percentof the population were enslaved
(06:42):
peoples.
Nannette (06:44):
Right, right.
Well, and, um, Antoine, he, hearrived in 1774.
So shortly after the church wasbuilt or the cathedral was built
and his death was in 1829, buthe was super well known for, um,
for going and intermingling withthe city's underclasses.
(07:05):
And he worked tirelessly to helpthe poor.
And like I said, the prisonersand slaves I've got so much
information on him, it's crazy.
Because they have, they havelike an alley on the side of the
church called the Antoine alley.
Brad (07:21):
And
Nannette (07:22):
And his spirit has been seen to walk down this
alley.
And he's singing church hymns inthe early morning.
He's been seen several
Brad (07:29):
Oh! Now wait a minute, is this just from people who are
like, leaving Bourbon Streetearly in the morning?
You would think! But
Nannette (07:36):
think, but you know, you've got Cafe du Monde that's
near there.
You've got Early morning, you'retalking coffee and beignets is
like, and a lot of people gatherthere.
You've got tarot readers, you'vegot artists,
Brad (07:49):
musicians, like all
Nannette (07:50):
like all different kinds of
Brad (07:51):
Well, it's great because it's actually closed off to
traffic, so people walk throughthere and it's, yeah, it's
actually a beautiful area.
So, yeah, I could see peopleending up through that area
early in the morning and it isadjacent to Bourbon Street as
Nannette (08:04):
Exactly.
It is part of the FrenchQuarter.
Um, but he was so well loved inthe community that both the
garden behind the cathedral andthe Northeast alley are named
after him.
So that's the alley I wastalking about.
So 1793, he was appointed therector.
I'm not really sure what thatmeans.
I think that he fixes things, heraises things, um, but he served
(08:27):
as a rector of there until hedied.
Brad (08:29):
So I think it's important to give a little bit of
perspective on the history, andwe should have done this on the
last episode when we talkedabout the Lolares.
But New Orleans was initiallypart of the Kingdom of France
from 1718 till 1763.
It belonged to France in 1763,Spain took it over until
Nannette (08:52):
1802,
Brad (08:52):
is when the French took it over and they only had it for a
short period of time.
So 1802 to 1803, which is whenthe United States purchased that
as part of that Louisianapurchase.
Exactly.
Nannette (09:04):
Exactly.
And if you think about it, it'sgot all those ports all the way
around there.
And so it's really the hub of alot of business.
Brad (09:11):
absolutely.
And the Mississippi River comesright down there.
So anything you ship can goright there, either in
Nannette (09:17):
States.
Brad (09:18):
very strategic port.
Nannette (09:19):
Yeah, it's a big deal, a really big deal.
I'm very profitable, but I'mback to Antoine at the day that
he died, the whole entire cityshut down and, all the
businesses they closed earlythat day to pay respects to his
death.
So like he was a big deal to thecity.
think it's interesting that hewould be seen in the alley, not
(09:40):
inside the church, but insidethe alley.
Brad (09:44):
think that it would be, well, maybe they just don't
report seeing him in the churchbecause it's probably, you know,
people who work in the churchwho might see him.
So maybe they don't report thata lot.
Maybe
Nannette (10:02):
and is the main figure is Pierre Dagobert that we
talked about and he's originallyfrom Quebec, but he moved to New
Orleans, um, to become part ofthe Catholic Church and he
became the priest of the St.
Louis Cathedral in 1745.
And as soon as he was appointed,He was praised for his kindness,
his dedication to New Orleans.
He was kind of a, you know, abig figure
Brad (10:25):
That's because he's Canadian.
Everyone knows Canadians arepolite and kind.
Tons and Tons
Nannette (10:30):
tons and tons and tons of, you know, weddings and
births and funerals and all thethings.
And he was also a foodie whohung out at the taverns and the
bars.
So he was kind of looked down
Brad (10:43):
Now, wait a minute.
Was he a foodie or was he analky?
Nannette (10:48):
Well, let me, let me continue because I think it's a
little bit more, um, he was seenwearing non traditional Catholic
clothing.
So he wouldn't dress the part alot.
And
Brad (11:02):
wore the dresses still back then, I'm sure, right?
Nannette (11:04):
they also had like a three pointed hat.
That they would wear back then.
Um, and he, it's called atricorn hat.
And, um, they kind of, kind oflooked down on the fact that he
was more lax with things, but healso was seen, um, in with the
pirates.
Brad (11:22):
was that hat like what you see George Washington wear all
the time?
That type of hat?
Nannette (11:26):
I'm not sure.
Look up a tricorn hat,
Brad (11:30):
Yes it is.
That is a George Washington hat.
George
Nannette (11:33):
Washington.
So he, he didn't want to wearit.
So, but he, he would also,
Brad (11:39):
it's because that's what Jack Sparrow wore, and he didn't
want to be associated with thepirate.
Jack Sparrow I,
Nannette (11:46):
I find interesting, too, is in 1718, the church was
dedicated to King Louis theFourth of France, and that's how
it came up with St.
Louis, because it's, so St.
Louis is really what it is, buthe's the only French king to be
made a saint.
Brad (12:03):
Oh.
Nannette (12:04):
So he, he's the only one and I think that that was
really interesting.
But the church stood for 70years until a fire broke out in
1788 and tore through NewOrleans.
And then there was another firethat broke out in 1794.
And you have to understand thehouses are built really, really
close together.
(12:24):
And there's timbers, the timbersare made of cypress.
So kind of like our big treesout there, um, that's what they
used.
And, um, the fire began at thehome of an army treasurer, Don
Vincent Jesus Nunez, Nunez, Iguess is how you say that.
I know.
Anyway, he lived next door tothe church.
(12:46):
So the fire broke out at hishouse and it is, it is known to
just have swept through not onlythe church, but New Orleans and
it was on Good Friday.
So on Good Friday.
the priests had decided not toring the bells as a warning to
the people in New Orleans.
And so they kept it quiet.
And so the city burned.
(13:06):
And so, that with the heavywinds made things burn really,
really fast.
And there was no warning to thepeople that this was happening.
Brad (13:17):
Wow.
Nannette (13:18):
So it led to even more damage.
Brad (13:20):
So
Nannette (13:21):
So, this was Antonio, he was the church priest and he
got blamed for the destructionof the city by lots of the
locals because he didn't, hedidn't let people know with the
bells in the church that therewas danger.
Brad (13:33):
he didn't ring the bells and they're like, uh, dude,
what's up?
Wow.
Nannette (13:39):
So, so the second church was in 1794 and a year
before that, being, being,being, being A year before that
being rebuilt, it was raised tothe status of a cathedral by the
New Orleans diocese.
Um, the central spire and theclock were put on in 1815 to
commemorate the victory of theBattle of New Orleans.
(14:00):
And then in 1850, the church gota facelift.
Most of the Spanish architecturewas demolished and then rebuilt.
Um, the spire was made, And thewhole church was made bigger
because they had moreparishioners.
Um, interesting again, in 1909,it was bombed.
(14:20):
They have never caught theculprits.
It was bombed.
Brad (14:24):
That's crazy.
You don't hear about that very
Nannette (14:26):
luckily no one was there and so no one was hurt,
but they never did catch theculprits
Brad (14:31):
what year was that?
Nannette (14:31):
in 1909.
And then a few years after that,A category three hurricane came
through and wrecked the churchagain.
And then in 2005, yeah, she'sgone through a lot in 2005.
You, you have hurricane Katrinathat hit, but all that happened
during that, um, was a hole inthe roof.
So she tore a hole in the roofthis church has been, um,
(14:54):
dedicated by a couple of popes.
So it's interesting because tobe a cathedral is one thing, but
to be a basilica is somethingdifferent.
Brad (15:02):
Well, yeah, I've, cause I've heard both of those names,
but I have no idea what thedifferentiation
Nannette (15:07):
So a cathedral and the locals call this a cathedral,
but the cathedral just meansthat it has a bishop that
resides over it, presides overit.
Um, but a basilica, um, Meansit's blessed by the Pope and
that it has extra, um, leeway todo more things because it has
(15:27):
the power of the Pope
Brad (15:28):
it.
Interesting.
So, so, it's given the pope'sblessing.
He doesn't actually come andlike,
Nannette (15:34):
Oh, he did.
No, he did.
So Pope John Paul, the fourthvisited the cathedral in 1964
and declared it a minorBasilica.
Brad (15:42):
Oh.
Well, I'll be damned.
Nannette (15:43):
Isn't that crazy?
Very cool.
But holy cow, that the thing hasgone through so many things.
I think it deserves to be abasilica, honestly.
And then again, in 1987, um,Pope John Paul, the second
visited the cathedral or thebasilica.
Brad (16:00):
back
Nannette (16:00):
So, back to the really cool alleys that are there, we
talked about the Antoine Alley,um, and his spirit being seen
Brad (16:07):
there, Antoine.
Antoine.
Uh, yeah, I can't even pretendto
Nannette (16:11):
I, I don't know, I'm not French, so, my name's French
though, but I can't
Brad (16:16):
I don't speak French.
Nannette (16:17):
ho ho ho, hee hee hee,
Brad (16:18):
that.
Nannette (16:20):
um, but there's also Pirate And it is named for the
legendary Jean Lafitte, who youtalked about in your story
Brad (16:29):
Jean Pierre Lafayette, right?
Nannette (16:31):
Yes, he actually had his favorite bar that was just
around the corner from thecathedral and it was called the
Absinthe House, which I think isreally
Brad (16:41):
cool.
Is it still there?
Nannette (16:42):
I don't know.
Brad (16:43):
Well, we're going to find out right
Nannette (16:45):
Find out right now.
Brad (16:46):
find out right
Nannette (16:46):
As you're looking it up though, I will tell you that
the pirates used to sell theirbootlegged wares along that
alley and through the fence atnight.
And all I can think of is gloryholes when
Brad (16:55):
you think
Nannette (16:55):
in the middle of the night.
My mind went there and I giggledand I was like, okay, I'm no
good for
Brad (17:00):
I'm selling my booty We to sell it through the fence.
Oh my God.
Come take my wee wee wee.
Oh my
Nannette (17:13):
That this cathedral, it was actually built on the
graveyard, um, For so manyhundreds of years.
And so there's lots of ghoststhat are seen.
it just depends on where you'reat.
Brad (17:25):
There is a bar, the Old Absinthe House.
Uh, it says since 1807, it's onthe corner of Bourbon and
Bienville.
So it
Nannette (17:35):
So it looks like we need to go there.
Brad (17:36):
Yep.
Nannette (17:37):
So there you go.
Our friends that are going withus, we are going,
Brad (17:40):
Okay, we're going.
Nannette (17:42):
already have our itinerary half done.
Brad (17:44):
Oh my gosh.
Right?
Nannette (17:45):
Heck yeah.
Brad (17:46):
So while we've got pirates selling their booty on the
alley, it's called La La feetsalley.
What
Nannette (17:52):
are, no, it's called Pirate Alley.
Brad (17:54):
alley.
Excuse me.
Okay.
And do we have paranormalactivity from them selling their
booties?
Nannette (18:01):
Yeah.
Pirates.
They say that Jean Leite hasbeen seen walking down that
alley.
Brad (18:05):
Oh, is that also after the partying on Bourbon Street is
Nannette (18:09):
right?
You know, I think she wonder,but I guess we're gonna go find
out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Brad (18:13):
we're going to have to party late on Bourbon Street to
find
Nannette (18:16):
to find out.
Well and I'd be curious too tobe up there and, you know, go
down the alleyways early in themorning and see if we can hear
some hymns being sung becauseyou will have one of the friars
singing the hymns.
I know they're
Brad (18:31):
Well, all I know is I'm going for the char grilled
oysters.
Nannette (18:37):
so delicious.
You can't find oysters like thatanywhere and they're not slimy
so they're so good.
Brad (18:42):
Oh, that's because they're cooked.
Nannette (18:45):
With butter and garlic and, oh, so good.
Brad (18:48):
I guess if you put butter and garlic and cheese on
anything, it's good.
Nannette (18:51):
And cook it, you mean?
Yes.
Yeah, don't leave it raw.
It's nasty.
Just nasty.
Brad (18:56):
So tell me more.
What other ghosts have been seenaround?
Nannette (18:59):
would be all that's been seen there.
Brad (19:01):
been seen there.
Nannette (19:03):
You've got the, the couple of friars.
Some people have said they'veseen LaLaurie
Brad (19:07):
they've seen lollary there.
That's interesting.
I wonder, I wonder how theywould, how would they know it
was her?
Nannette (19:14):
I, I don't buy it because you're literally, this,
this place is built on agraveyard and you've got people,
additionally,
Brad (19:23):
an Indian graveyard.
No, in
Nannette (19:25):
know a New Orleans
Brad (19:26):
okay.
So they had a graveyard thereand then they built.
On
Nannette (19:30):
On top of it, because it's, remember the cathedral is
smaller and then it burnt downand then it got bigger and then
it got
Brad (19:37):
bigger.
Okay.
So it probably had a graveyardbehind it or near,
Nannette (19:42):
still has a garden and stuff in it.
Brad (19:44):
see.
Nannette (19:45):
It's also been said, there's a story I want to tell
you,
Brad (19:47):
Story time.
Okay.
So
Nannette (19:50):
additionally, Pierre Antoine, he, he's the one that's
most commonly spotted.
and he's easily recognizablebecause there's a gigantic
portrait of him in the church.
He's usually seen on the balconyor the altar, especially near
the holidays.
And, um, people have seen himlooking through the window at
(20:10):
midnight mass, holding a candle,
Brad (20:13):
Wow.
Nannette (20:14):
but he's also seen in that alleyway that bears his
name.
So the Antoine alley.
And he also appears early in themorning, humming church songs,
like I said, um, but he's beenseen for over a hundred years by
many, many people.
So he's kind of a normal one.
Brad (20:30):
have Dagobert, who's commonly seen at the
Nannette (20:34):
And then you have Dagobert who's commonly seen at
the cathedral as well.
They say that he can be heard,heard singing a hymn called
Kylie on rainy mornings.
He tends to walk out of the St.
Louis cathedral and strodestroll down pirate alley,
humming the entire way.
Brad (20:50):
Interesting.
Nannette (20:52):
So, this is the story I was looking for, this is
interesting to me anyway, um,when Spain took over the city in
1768, a group of French Creolesousted the new Spanish governor
and Spain didn't appreciate therevolt and sent their soldiers
to come and crush the revolt.
Brad (21:08):
Oh,
Nannette (21:09):
Here's the thing, Dagobert was actually working
for, um, the Spanish king.
And so, um, he was actually kindof a bit of a spy a little bit.
Brad (21:22):
Yeah.
Nannette (21:22):
and so he was reporting
Brad (21:24):
politics have gone hand in hand for years.
Yeah.
Since the beginning of religion.
right.
So that makes
Nannette (21:32):
It does make sense.
He reported back that he neededadditional soldiers to kill
these people.
Because we
Brad (21:38):
Because we also do very humane things in the name of
god.
Nannette (21:41):
uh huh.
I thought it was interesting.
Anyway, um, five
Brad (21:45):
five
Nannette (21:45):
of the surviving Creole ringleaders were rounded
up and shot, and the Spanishordered the bodies not to be
buried.
But Dagobert felt really bad andhis men went and retrieved the
bodies under the nose of theSpaniards.
And Dagobert gave them a properburial on the church grounds.
And that is where he is seen tobe guarding their bodies because
he was a guilty fucker.
Brad (22:06):
Interesting.
So he's like haunted and this ishis punishment.
Nannette (22:10):
Uh huh.
Uh huh.
I think that that's reallyinteresting.
Brad (22:13):
Interesting.
Oh, that'll be cool.
Do you think they're stillhaving people sell booty through
the fence?
Nannette (22:23):
I truly doubt it, but there might be some glory holes,
but there's also another pirateby the name of Reginald Hicks.
Um, who fell in love with abeautiful Creole woman just a
few months before the war of1812.
He was, he rushed to hurry andmarry her because he found out
that she was pregnant with hischild and he didn't want to
(22:45):
leave her destitute.
Um, the only priest that wouldmarry them was this German
priest, um, who was in prison.
So he stood on the other side ofthe, The prison bars and got
married to her and then he waskilled in the war.
So they say that the Hicks, um,walks those alleyways and is
haunted because that's where hemarried her and his life kind of
(23:08):
was good then and then fellapart in the worst.
So,
Brad (23:11):
Interesting.
Nannette (23:12):
yeah, so you're, there's a couple of pirates, a
couple of friars, you know,other people that can be seen.
So I think it's places
Brad (23:19):
place is worth checking out.
Nannette (23:22):
Yeah.
I think it's interesting thatthe pirates had anything to do
with the The cathedral or thepeople that were there, you
would think that they would belooked down upon or something.
I mean, hello, you look at theculture now, you're not doing
certain things you're lookeddown upon.
So you
Brad (23:38):
so you'd think.
The entire founding of NewOrleans, though, you
Nannette (23:47):
it's true with all those ports
Brad (23:48):
yeah, they're all right
Nannette (23:50):
nothing would happen, including the slave trade.
I mean, all of it.
Yeah,
Brad (23:55):
Fascinating.
Wow.
Well, I can't wait to go andsee.
Nannette (23:58):
I know we've never gone in there.
We've seen it
Brad (24:01):
we've seen the outside.
The pictures of the inside lookbeautiful.
Nannette (24:04):
They do.
And I want to see this pictureof Antoine
Brad (24:07):
And to them.
Nannette (24:08):
Antoine.
Brad (24:11):
Well, I'm very much looking forward to exploring
this haunted area.
and we'll just add that rightalong with the Lalari Mansion,
uh, Jackson Square and St.
Louis Cathedral.
Nannette (24:23):
Cathedral.
And we're going to look intosome more places too.
I think there's many, many more.
I want to see, uh,
Brad (24:29):
see, uh
Nannette (24:30):
what's it called?
Midget wrestling?
No.
Ew.
You are so fixated on that.
You're so 14.
Brad (24:38):
I, I don't know that I can call it that.
Little person wrestling might bemore appropriate.
Nannette (24:42):
no,
Brad (24:44):
I don't know
Nannette (24:45):
that's not what I
Brad (24:46):
I don't know how to be PC on that.
Nannette (24:48):
I want to see one of the big, huge mansions,
Brad (24:51):
You mean a plantation?
Nannette (24:52):
a plantation.
Yeah, I want, I, part of medoesn't want to fill the part of
the plantation that I know I'mgoing to feel, but I just want
to see.
You
Brad (25:02):
a big plantation in
Nannette (25:04):
a big plantation in Nashville.
Brad (25:09):
Yeah, so maybe
Nannette (25:10):
that's a coincidence.
Brad (25:14):
Well, that's a coincidence because we're gonna see Jackson
Square.
Nannette (25:20):
Square.
No.
Andrew Jackson's
Brad (25:25):
Andrew Jackson.
Nannette (25:26):
Jackson.
Brad (25:28):
Yeah, same Andrew Jackson.
Nannette (25:30):
you kidding?
I didn't realize that.
I know my history.
Okay, let me just put those outthere.
I had a really boring historyteacher growing up and so
history is not my forte.
I love it now as an adult, butum, yeah, it wasn't my forte
because it was boring from theteacher.
I think it's super interestingnow though, so, okay, so I'm
putting my.
Brad (25:49):
so
Nannette (25:49):
My history together.
That's crazy.
That's really cool because I'vebeen to his place
Brad (25:54):
I've been
Nannette (25:55):
the hermitage
Brad (25:56):
The Hermitage.
Yeah,
Nannette (25:57):
in Nashville.
Yeah, and and I did feel somereally really really heavy
energy
Brad (26:02):
there Oh, I can
Nannette (26:03):
And I cried I stood in one place and just cried and
cried.
So, um Yeah, this will beinteresting Fantastic.
Brad (26:10):
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
I don't know that that's theright word.
Nannette (26:14):
I cry?
Rude.
Brad (26:14):
Yeah.
Like I said, that's not the
Nannette (26:17):
not the word.
Yeah.
You're at a loss for
Brad (26:20):
Do you know what?
I mean the right thing.
I just don't always say theright
Nannette (26:24):
That is freaking true.
I know your heart is pure, butsometimes, sometimes.
I'm
Brad (26:29):
Well, I'm super excited to go to New Orleans with you and
discover all kinds of hauntedplaces, beautiful places,
amazing food, and great friends.
Nannette (26:39):
yeah.
Heck yeah.
Brad (26:40):
In fact, if you've been listening to the podcast, you
will remember Wylin from episode66.
We're actually going with Wylinand his wife to New Orleans.
We're very excited about it.
It's going to be a ton of fun.
So we can't wait to get back toeveryone and let you know what
we learn.
Nannette (26:57):
They are super fun and I think that Wylin's wife is
like one of our greatest, fans.
She has, she has our, our showmemory.
She knows more about our showthan we do, I
Brad (27:07):
Yeah.
Shout out to Kristen.
She's fucking awesome.
Yeah.
And there's our F bomb.
So that makes our show explicitand uh, it's only available to
adults now.
Nannette (27:18):
Well,
Brad (27:19):
All for Kristen.
You're
Nannette (27:20):
welcome.
Fucker Right.
Brad (27:25):
Thank you so much everyone for listening to the show.
We love you so much and wereally appreciate you.
Please tell your friends, getthem to listen to the Mormon to
medium podcast.
And if you have any questions orconcerns or something you'd love
to hear us talk about, let usknow.
there's a link in the shownotes.
There's also a link to book withNan.
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If you would like to book
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Or you can go to my website atzenergysage.Com.
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Brad (28:01):
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Don't forget to leave a positivereview.
And we will see you
Nannette (28:06):
on the other side of the veil.
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