Bivol - Beterbiev 2 & UFC Seattle Recap | FULL EPISODE - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Reveale.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Look at this now, timpted Jesus, Oh you.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Will be.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
There.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
It's time to band.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
Oh you're feeling what I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hey, whoa hey, how were you? Yeah? That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Hey, it's Monday, February twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. You
just stumbled in upon the greatest combat show that they
ever put together. This is Morning Combat. I'm Brian Campbell.
I'm wearing a scarf because it's either hot as balls.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Or colder than a witch's nipple in this place.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I prefer the titty tit.

Speaker 6 (01:06):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, that's Luke Thomas from Washington, DC.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I can't hear myself in my ereo in my ear hole.
I figured it out all right.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
To get the side tone.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thank you for helping me learn how to tie a scarf.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
I didn't wear scarfs growing up. I didn't wear sunglasses either.
I was raised under power lines apparently. But we've got
a fantastic show for all you combat sports and flatulence
fans out there. You better believe that UFC seattle to
break down the last crescendo. Bev all better BF two
and quite possibly, or at least that's what they told

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us the greatest fight card that ever was put together.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, this is the greatest.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Combat sports show that you've ever seen. LT sum up
your emotional state in two words, because that'll let the
audience know what type of episode.

Speaker 7 (01:50):
To expect to you overstate the problem pretty good. I
you know what, here is a great demarcation line for
whether or not I'm feeling like I got hit by
a mack truck.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yes, it is typically better for me to.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Walk in with a pink monster.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Uh no, Okay, I slept to the alarm this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh wow.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
Normally I have such anxiety that I'm up around three
through thirty four.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Anxiety for MK or life or or death. Anxiety for death.

Speaker 7 (02:16):
Yeah, anxiety for my life falling apart and being you know,
just a disaster that I did not predict. Nevertheless, I
slept to the alarm, and that rarely happens. And I
slept to the alarm today, So feel pretty good about that.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Means we're gonna have a great show. Right, We're gonna
end it with some dms from Donks. We're gonna look
at my feces, pick out a few of them colonels
in there.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, Now, I want to go home.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Uh yeah, you can do something for us.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
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Please support what we're doing above and beyond the MK community.
This week on the Brian Campbell Experience, Lamott Roach Junior.
By the way, who's in that big one?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, you can catch up.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Talk to a while ago, a couple about a month
or so.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You talked him in between when the fight was rescheduled.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
Right, that's right, So I actually do the interview and
then like days later they pushed it to which is
today or this week.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
March first Saturday, So that'll be going down obviously PBC
on Prime Saturday when Roach, what is your innew going up?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Tank Davis to go up today? Okay, yeah, so check
that out. Also, we have a third member of the team.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
He's a producer, director, bong enthusiast and he's from Long
Island and he's from the seed of an Australian.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
His name is Luke no from the old Ballsacked Down.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yea of the main card Minute. Hey bro, how are you.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
I like how we're five minutes into the show when
we're talking about your father's testicle.

Speaker 8 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be MK if we didn't
talk about dad's ball sack.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
All right, Hey, that's the show, that's what we do here. Wow.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Yeah, one day we should do an entire episode of
BC's just two hours of looking at highlights and talking
about smoking weeds.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
That would be great. That would then we'd then we'd
be let go. But that's fine.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Large women.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Would you say it's a great time to be a
live in combats sports right now?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I mean I think there's a lot to that.
There's a lot to be thankful for.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Yeah, consistently full of weekends where you have fights. I
think there's a question about what kind of quality we're
getting that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Week to week Saturday's boxing card. For as long as
it was was fun, I mean, we'll get it.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Excuse I don't how much we're gona talk about it.
So let me just ask you this.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Do you like that they ultimately tried to save the
Parker fight and the Shakur fights?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Did we need to see those? I don't better that
we did see them.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
I thought I think it would have been better if
we didn't. But I get why they wanted to try
to keep.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Up what they were promoting, which was the you know,
the greatest fight card of the century, and you know
Bacoli got paid. We're going to break it all down.
But no, there it's a gamble when you do that.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
We're not used to that in boxing to do you know,
the forty eight hour get on a plane right now,
no training camp, right It's it's a it's a it's
a move UFC pulls off. It doesn't always work, though.

Speaker 7 (04:48):
So let me ask a question about this because I
got you know Mark Ortega on Twitter. He works for
Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
He's also the He just stats for the PBC broadcast.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
Yeah, he he knows an enormous amount of boxing. I
could never know as much about itim, But he asked
a question about m Man. I didn't have a good
answer very quickly.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Long Island, Luke.

Speaker 7 (05:03):
Here is the conditions I'm applying. Obviously, if you're talking about, like,
what's the most successful case for a fight that the
fans got to enjoy from a late minute replacement or
I should say late replacement, the answer is probably gonna
be something like Diaz versus McGregor won right where he
comes in on short notice.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
And it's like this insanely.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
I mean, Lennox Lewis versus Latimer Klitch go in two
thousand and three is probably the best boxing example of
when it got upgraded by a late replacement.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
Okay, so here's here's my question for MMA that actually
happened outside of a window that I'm gonna put on
you artificially. If the window is seventy two hours out
from a fight, what's the best UFC fight that they
have substituted in under those conditions.

Speaker 8 (05:42):
I don't remember the exact timeframe, but I'm thinking of
it was peak COVID International Fight Week. I want to say,
and Kamorrow was supposed to be fighting like Gilbert Burns,
but or Hey Mospital was like the clear contender, and
then Gilbert had to pull out and then Mospoitoal jumped in.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
It was on like a but that fight sucked because
the remash was no.

Speaker 8 (06:02):
But that was like a fight people were clamoring for
at the time.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I mean what delivered.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
I mean, I could say Daniel Cormier against Anderson Silva,
you have set hundred, but that fight.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Did that fight.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
Yeah, I mean, I guess here's my question for anyone
out there and put anybody listening either boxing.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
Or wait, I got one. How about piss being over
rock Hold? It was supposed to be rock holed Wideman
steps in when.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
That wasn't a three day thing. It was like a
couple weeks things.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
It was a couple of weeks I had on my show.
So that's what I mean. If you get two weeks out,
there's some real bangers.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Sure, because guys are in and out of camp, But
when you're picking somebody literally off the couch who wasn't even.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Training, that's what you get.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
So if anyone out there can think of what's the
best fight either boxing or MMA that got substituted in
in seventy two hours and ended up delivering, I don't
know what the answer is, but some.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Of the things, yeah, yeah, not Nates Tony Ferguson, But
they did try hard, all right, and we're gonna try
really hard on this show to absolutely give it to
you right in the damn face hole. So why don't
you buckle your ass up because our show is about
to start right the frick now. Yes, And a reminder
by the way, this fantastic episode of Morning Combat is
brought to you by DraftKings, and at DraftKings you already

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know it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
The crown is yours.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Let's get into topic number one on this Monday morning
and a loaded fight weekend to break down. And you
want to talk about what was the biggest headline this weekend?
It certainly was the rematch in the Desert, the light
heavyweight undisputed title clash four months, one hundred and twenty
three days after Archer Better BV and Dmitri Beval gave
us twelve rounds in what some have called Luke the

(07:30):
first fight.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
You ready for this? Some have called it a technical thriller,
the first fight, Okay.

Speaker 7 (07:35):
You also called Strickland versus DVP of technical thriller the
first one, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I stand by it. Okay, Now let's talk about the
second one.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Same judges' scorecards in the end, only they were inverted
as Dmitri Beval gains revenge over Archur Better BF just
barely to become the undisputed champion and just possibly set
up a trilogy.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
So Luke, let's let's talk about this.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Considering the rematch was scored the exact same way as
the first fight a majority of today decision with the
scores inverted one fourteen to one fourteen, one sixteen, one
twelve and one fifteen one thirteen. What was the major
difference in your eyes between the two fights and what did.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Beval ultimately do to flip the victory in his direction.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
It's a great question.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
I think that there are going to be two things
I'm gonna point to that I think will answer the question.
The first one is I compare the stats between the
first fight and the second fight. I won't go through
a litany of them, but this will speak to what
I think is a central way to understand why this
fight ended up going differently. In all of the categories

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that CompuBox measures, and there's not many total punches, total jabs,
total pounches, body shots. Bivoll outlanded better Beev in all
of them. In all of them in the second fight.
In the first fight was mixed, and especially in the

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first fight, the power punches went predominantly to better Beev.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
That was not the case this time.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
I bring this all up to say, just watching it
and we watched this not fight now several times, the
two of us. He simply did more. He was on
his horse more, he was throwing more multi punch combinations.
He was trying to pick off better bfs, he was
intercepting as he was trying to corner him, and there
was so many times where he was able to reverse
position into the corner.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And then what is he doing.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
He gets underneath the punch, turns around and it's a
four punch combination right behind it. So it's just staying busy,
creating rhythm, putting more volume on him, staying on your
horse the whole time.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, didn't he do what he said?

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Meaning that the first fight, the main difference was that
beeve all faded in the championship rounds.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I'm getting to it this time, he said.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
What did he say all week? I have to do more.
That's right in line with what you're saying.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
Although he did fade a little bit in the middle
portion of that fight. But this is going to be
the second one. I don't know if it was concerted
that he wanted to fade in the middle portion, but
it did look concerted to MEBC that this time down
the stretch and you could even start this at the
seventh round. I think the turn really starts around the
eighth round, Bivall decided, I am absolutely gonna put it

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on him down the stretch. Whatever my work rate was early,
we're gonna go even higher. And actually the numbers speak
to this directly. That's when you see the floodgates open
and he really begins to take away the very portion
of the fights that better be, didn't you just well
and in the last one with Bivall, in all of them,
it's always down the stretch that he begins to really

(10:28):
take over. You see, that's an oversimplification. But what I'm
trying to point out to people is whether it was
intercepting a better be if by pulling him in, catching
him on the half beat and going the other direction,
whether it was by the way going over the top
of his jab, getting him to cover with touch, touch, touch,
digging to the.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Body coming over, and then angling out.

Speaker 7 (10:47):
He just made him suffer from having to block, He
made him have to restart, he made him have to
cover up, He made him just have to deal with
an enormous amount of volume in all the different different phases.
And then when you combine with a certain kind of
like when we're gonna press the gas, when we're gonna
press the break and take away the very sweet spot

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where he comes alive. Dude, that is I mean, I
don't Eddie Hearn was saying, it's the best performance he's
ever seen live, and only he can say what is
the best he's ever seen live? We were watching it
on a screen. I don't know if it's the best one.
It's a little hard for me to say. But what
I can say is that is one of the most
difficult things I've seen a boxer do.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
He almost had to be perfect, and he almost was
perfect because better bv As we know, the gas tank,
even at age forty is ridiculous, The power in both
hands is ridiculous. The understanding of boxing IQ and adjustments
is ridiculous. The fact that they could stand so close
to each other and just barely hit or not hit
each other. It's the It's the best form of high
speed chess I've ever seen. So beev All had to

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be almost perfect to win this fight. Seven five or
however you had it right. I had Bevall seventy five
in the first fight. I had Bevall seventy five in
the second, but it was a different fight from the
first fight.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Also, we didn't mention this.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
I mentioned him getting out of the corner, but like
if you just look at how much time if you
go back and watch the first fight relative to the
second fight, there's much more time with Bival on the
ropes man. He treated it like it was in the
electric fence. This time he barely touched it. And it
was again a couple times in the corner. A couple
of times he had to kind of weather a little
bit of a storm, but he was quickly looking for

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exits and then usually scoring offense on the exit.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Itself was insane in this fight. This field level combined
insane in this fight.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
We should say something.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
To BC about this fight, which was it was kind
of funny because if you watched this fight but then
you took a break and then you went to UFC.
Different sports, different realities. Please don't misunderstand me. Different different
pay scales, everything's different. And I'm not even trying to
back on one versus the other. What I am going
to say, though, is in this fight and then the
little boxing more in particular, but especially this fight, dude,

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their defense was insane. How hard is it to land
clean on either guy? Now I know Bivell by the
end had a big swelling here and he was bleeding well.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
He overcame a twelfth round from Better BEEV which was
like a championship last round performance.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
That was after you know, thirty three minutes.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Right, Let's say he got the cut from that, but
really his face wasn't nearly as marked up as Better
BFS was outside of.

Speaker 7 (13:18):
That cut, right, But also that's just accumulation, Like, was
what was your favorite punch? There was a couple that
landed in both directions the way I thought Better BF
did have some good body work in the middle.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Of this fight.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Oh, a lot of good buddy.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
Honestly, if we're saying what was the best about this
fight to me, obviously the work rate of Bivoll, But
second to that was both of their defenses.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Both of their defenses were so hard for the other
guy to me at.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Close range, at close range and high pace, Like you
have to realize the skill level involved in this fight.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It was ridiculous, Luke, I do have a question.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
I preferred the first fight slightly, even with beav All
openly fading in the open in the later rounds, because
I felt there were more I felt like beav All
hurt Better be Of a couple times in the first fight,
and I felt like that was a big surprise, and
there were you know, it felt a little more tense.
But everybody on Twitter thinks the second one was better.
Do you have a favorite between these twins here?

Speaker 7 (14:08):
I probably liked the second one better, but not by much.
I think they're pretty close.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay, key strategic question here.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
The theory in the first fight, even though better Beev
got his hand raised, but a lot of us didn't
think he did, was he was coming like directly off
of knee surgery and didn't even have a full camp,
even though this was a short turnaround for a big
fight like this four months. Did he either let you
down Better Beev, did he get beat by a better guy,
or specifically when he dominated rounds four through six, did

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he pour out too much of the jug in trying
to finish Bevall, not trying to finish him recklessly, but
stepping up at such an aggressive pace. If you remember,
particularly in rounds four through six, anytime Bevall would gain separation,
Better Viv would rush back up on him, and he
had to expend a lot of energy.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
In hindsight, was he going for the knockout? And did
he pour too much out?

Speaker 7 (14:55):
I think I wonder about that. I mean the other
part too, is better beev his forty, Yes, he's forty
years ars old. I mean the fact that he looks
as good as he does and performs as ably as
he does and by the way, as you mentioned, look
good in this fourth round, Like this is not a
guy who just laid down down the stretch, even though
he had some difficulty, but he is forty. I tended
to think that was the biggest one, Like how good
can Like you're looking at what is probably something approximating

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in terms of genetic potential, And obviously if you maximize
genetic potential with insane work rate and insane training habits,
and obviously you take care of your body and you
don't drink and all that kind of stuff, Archer, Better
BV is what it looks like at forty if you
take extraordinarily good care of you. But even then, dot dot,
it is forty to me. Like the foot speed and

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the ability to move around the ring. You knew that
Bival was better, but this time he did a better
job of maintaining that and better BV just seemed to
have a really hard time closing the doors on him,
with a couple of exceptions here or there.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
I agree overall, Bevoll with Outland according to Kompiabox seventy
to one to twenty one, he scored double figure lands
and eleven of twelve rounds out landed Better Beev in
five of the last six rounds to close and survive
that twelfth round rally from Better beev And on average,
compared to the first fight, Bevall averaged eleven more punches
attempted per round, so he backed up what he said

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to do more to push the fight at Better bev more.
But bev All had to not just hold him off
in the twelfth round. The rounds four through six, dude,
he looked like he was gonna succumb Bevall. At certain
points he looked like it was wearing him down.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
Round five, I was like, I don't, Better Beev was
moving downhill on him, yes, And I was like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I don't know how this is gonna go.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
Like it's better be gonna not only build him the
last win, is he gonna stop him? And then for
Bivoll to basically kind of rally. It was even ish,
but to kind of rally was remarkable.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Well, look bev All, right now, thirty four years old,
already coming into this fight, even coming off of a
loss in my top ten pound per pound. Now he
has victories over a prime Canelo Alvarez division up from
Canelo's you know greatest, but and Artur better Vief. So
we are talking already about two living legends, two future
Hall of famers in this fight. But that resume just

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screams greatness considering everybody else he's beaten up to this point.
And look, it meant so much to Bevall because he
gave everything he thought he had in the first fight
and came up that that close.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
We got him backstage here with his coach.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Let's check out this emotional scene when he returned to
the locker room. That's Gonadi Mashian off his trainer. You know,
I popped for these moments, Luke, that's just the tears
coming down. Hey, I didn't even know if Katie Bevall
did is a strange exuif I don't even if she

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did a stream this time, one of those like remember.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Last time she did like live stream. But you know
you did hear him say afterwards?

Speaker 5 (17:48):
He said, I've been going through a lot the last
couple of years, you know, injuries, all of that, and
for him to put together this performance in this fight.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Dmitri Bevall is one of the greatest fighters of this era,
so is Better beev But Luke, we got to talk
about the future here first.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
I think we do have Bovoll responding backstage to the fight.
Let's just get his take on that.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Before first fight, I didn't like how I did. Second fight,
I like more. I feel I could more. I could
be better even than this one. I feel it, you know.
But I did enough for the victory today, and I'm happy.
Thank you so much everybody who was watching this fight,

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who was cheering for me, even who was cheering for
better Beef. He's a great fighter, and only you can
make history about yourself only if you have a great opponance.
Without good opponents, you cannot.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Prove people that you are good. You make sure, thank you.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's one hundred. That's the Sugar Stevenson problem.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
That's if every boxer had that attitude, it would be
a difference.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
But he's right.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
He was left to that performance because of the greatness
of Better Beef because of how great Bevall fought the
first fight and still came up empty, yet was able
to unlock another level of stamina, of drive, of everything
to do it. This was incredible. Now though it seems
like we've set the stage for a third fight. Turkey Alashik,
who of course was ringside and paid for this bout
and organized it, was walking around with three fingers parted

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up to Better Beev interesting post fight interview where Better
Bev said, I didn't want the rematch, so now that
I lost, I might as well take this third fight.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But do I want it necessarily? He didn't sound like
he did.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
I mean, he is forty years old at the end
of his career, but Bevall said he's into it.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
But he really put out there. He said, look, I
need time off.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
He said that the turnaround one hundred and twenty three
days now twenty four rounds against Better Beef, when no
one had gone the distance with Better Bev before that,
that's a lot of wear and Terry said he was
doing anti afflammatories every day in training camp, and there
was a lot of injury and illness, which I'm sure
both fighters are definitely going through. So will we see
this next? Should we see this next? How much time
off do you think they need? And let's also address this.

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Four hours before the card, they went from a twenty
thousand seed arena Kingdom arena for this five thousand to
this makeshift.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
I forgot that.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
I think they're calling it Riodds's an arena or something
like that. It's got six thousand. It wasn't an Apex warehouse,
but it was not the hot It was not the
space to house the greatest fight card of all time
or this incredible rematch. There's already some big money maker
in Russia who's trying to bring that fight because either
to be of all born on Kyrgyzstan soil, but two
Russian fighters.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Where should the third fight be? When should it be
and should it be next?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
In your opinion, I think the third fight.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
I mean, obviously I would love it in the United States,
but it doesn't really need to be there. I would say,
you know, if they wanted to put it in Russia,
that would be great, But if you're trying to maximize
timing for it to be watched, you could put it
in the Middle East again or somewhere in continental Europe.
I think continental Europe would be really an interesting opportunity.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
But I mean, maybe this is a better question for
topic too, but like can they get away? Meaning Saudi
Arabia putting out fight cards this big with that atmosphere
that did feel dead?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It did.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
I've seen people being like I thought the atmosphere was great. Guys,
if you thought that atmosphere was great, you've only been
watching fights for five minutes, like.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I'm yeah, and those fights have been in the Apex.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah, I'm not here to say that that that crowd
was the worst I've ever seen, far from it, but
it was modest and kind of quiet at best.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
It was not good.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
You want to put it in place where people can travel,
where there's gonna be ruckus, Dude, you go. I mean, honestly,
with the amount of Russians in New York City, dude,
there there'd be more Russians in New York City than
there would be in Saudi Arabia. Let me just say that,
very very clearly. And they wouldn't even have to travel
all the ones that are here of or in you know,
and in Sheep's Head Bay and all that kind of stuff.
So you know when they should do it, though it

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is a different question. I honestly think that should be
third or probably even fourth quarter of this year. But
to be honest, I don't even want to see that one.
I mean, yes, if they made a third one.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well I was gonna ask if we have fatigue here.
We saw two grave fights back to back. They looked
a lot like.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
You've got you have a new guy in this weight class.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
Again, after the Vosdik fight, I wasn't exactly sure, but
after the Morel fight, I'm very sure David Benavitez. All
roads lead well, I mean, obviously a Bivol's a champ,
but as a next fight to me, all roads lead
to David Benever, I.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Have scenarios to pitch to you base off of that
okay number one. If they go forward, which it seems
like Turkey's plan with a third fight with better bv
and Bevall at some point later this year, I would
not hate to see David Benavitez stay at light heavyweight
and fight Callum Smith, who had a big win on
this undercard. And we can talk about that. How about
this scenario that I threw out and people have loved
and hated. I want to hear what Luke has to say.

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Bevall Canelo two next and and Benavidez better bv next,
but only under the understanding and the contract signing that
the winners would face off and the losers would face off.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
People say, hey, you.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Don't want to reward Canelo for ducking, but you know
Canelo wants this fight more than anything, the rematch with Bevall,
and now you've got all four titles at stake.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
I dare look at me as closely as you can.
I dare someone to try and make the case Canelo
can win three rounds.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
I'm not saying what he will he will win it.
I'm saying, is that wash?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
What are we talking about here?

Speaker 7 (23:02):
He lost, He didn't get washed in the first fight,
but he lost convincingly.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Bivell has only gotten better.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
Canelo, to the best of my ability to assess, has
probably somewhat degraded.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
He'll get He'll get fucking really okay.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Quickly, I want to talk about that first Canelo bev
All fight, because we do say pretty regularly that he
got handled. The reality is he lost seven to five
on three score cards. But we don't believe that that
was the real score. He got a Canelo discount because
of his name. The reality is what he probably lost
eight four, he go nine to three.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I thought I thought he won four rounds at most.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
But I think what we're missing and a lot of
the Internet is missing when rehashing it, is it It
was actually competitive. Canelo made bev All miss like nobody
else has. And I know eventually that ropodope style caught
up with Canelo and he took a beating in the
second half. But I don't think it was a one
sided beat down, even though I don't agree with.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
The seven't think it was a great down.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
It was a competitive fight. I don't think Canelo had
more time.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
Somebody make the case that that that Canelo's chances will
improve with a second fight, Okay, that seems to me
completely ludicrous.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
I didn't enter this studio today to be a Canelo
protector because he's duck in the shit out of David Benavitez.
Tell your friends, Okay, but that was during the stretch
where Canelo looked human and he had the left handed
wrist injury and he wasn't able to train at full speed.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So I do wonder if it could be different.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
You don't like the second half of that equation I
pitched you because you know Canilo doesn't want to go
straight into Benavidez or or or.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Better be at Benavidez versus better be it.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I would take that fight. I would take that fight.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
My interest in Canelo Bivol too is zero. Okay, that's
his negative eight billion. That's fair, lu, That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
What do we say about these two this rivalry?

Speaker 5 (24:43):
I see historians who I respect a lot more than me,
like Cliff Rolled on Twitter, say that these two are
approaching Michael Spinks for the greatest resume in light heavyweight
history in boxing that you know, the winner of the
trilogy could could make some type of statement that they're
in that category. This was never going to be a
major commercial rivalry. These two don't have you know, they're
not household names in the United States under any degree.

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But the greatness and for better be of especially late
in age, right now that they're showing they're all timers,
they're living legends in the flesh. These two are two
of the greatest fires I've ever seen with my eyes
in active competition.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think that's fair to say.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
I think it's fair to say. And I also think
it's fair to say that there are some fights that
remain for them in these weight classes, in particular, as
you mentioned Benavidez or a third fight with each other,
Canelo about cruiserweight.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Bev All is talking about cruiserweight.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
This So glad you mentioned that because to me, obviously,
with better bev at forty, I think we have to
have some he still looks pretty viable, but he's forty.
It's just hard to say how much longer he's got
sometime obviously, but not a ton, whereas Bival has if
he wants. It seems to me a significant amount of time.
And I do think, you know, if he fights Benavidez,
and I'm just gonna invent a scenario if he rinses Benavidez,

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which I don't think that would happen that way, but
let's just say wins eight rounds to four.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Whatever. I think he should move up. I think he
should move up.

Speaker 7 (25:57):
We put so much pressure on these little guys to
go from thirty to thirty five to forty to forty seven,
and this is very, very difficult to do. And then
when we get to the heavier ones. We're like, well,
these guys can just camp out, and please don't mist
understand me. Even if they just camp out in this
weight class, they're still turning into the point that you
raised historically good resumes. But I think it's a little

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bit we're gonna we're gonna ask the little guys to
do some jumping. We should ask the big guys to
maybe do some jumping as well. I think, especially for
Dmitri Bivol, that's something he should be I.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Think his speed would be a problem for the for
the major Cruisewaightsjiopitiah seems to be the highest class cruiserweight
and that'd be a great fight and that'd probably be
the one they would angle toward.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Building should be'v all move up. But he's gonna be
able to outbox these guys, I would think.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
I don't think any of those light heavy Excuse me,
those cruiserweights are dude who had light Excuse me. I
keep saying, like, have weight who at cruiserweight.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Is as skilled?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Nobody as Dmitri Bivol, Nobody.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Nobody, And there's some good fighters up there, there's some
good fighters up there.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
There is nobody who is doing anything like that.

Speaker 7 (26:56):
So the only question is how much does the size impact,
how much does the power punching impact, What does all
of that do?

Speaker 1 (27:02):
But that to me raises the intrigue not minimizing.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Is there any chance, whether it be injury or change
of opinion or anything, that we're getting bev All Benavida's next,
and don't forget they have the sparring history with Benavide's
claiming without bragging, that I handled him.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
So it certainly depends what kind of fight we get
next based on whether or not PBC wants to play ball.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
That because you and I talked off camera about that
Turkey live interview on the DESNE broadcast with Ali Oladipo,
which I think was a very very awkward interview which was,
you know, over overplaying the greatest card play up.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
But maybe they had to. I don't know, but I was.
I think the.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Biggest takeaway we have to have is Turkey looking into
the camera and saying, I want to make better, be better,
beev versus Benavidez. This was before Bevall one, so he
was saying it meaning if Bevall won, it would be
a trilogy. But if better BEV one it would be
two oh, So he'd move out from that rivalry, and
he looked at the camera and said, hey, man, let's go,
let's make the fight. So you know, there's not a
long history Luke of people challenging the Great lam In

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in that regard.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Do you feel like this will make the PBC more
or less likely to do business? That's what I think.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
That's the right question right now, because I wonder if
you loop in the fact that there was a PBC
fighter on this card, Carlos A Damas, and we'll get
into the circumstances of that fight, but a lot of
people think he got kind of robbed on the scorecards.
I wonder if that all plays into the future. PBC's
the only major promoter that's not all the way in.
It would seem right definitely like Rolie will be on
a ring card coming up. We've seen a couple guys
jump over. But I don't know if this means this

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is the beginning or the ending based on that type
of comment.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
Publicly, i'd be speaking totally out of turn here. I
have no idea what PBC would do, but I have
a feeling that you know, PBC letting guys like Carlos
Damas Moonlight or Roly Romero doesn't seem like a big
ask of them, but one of your most important headliners
and David Benavidez, surely PBC would want to control that.

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And I don't know if Turkey wants to play ball
in that way. It seems like two different kinds of
entities that as it relates to someone like David Benavidez,
they all want to have it their way.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
I and with Canelo moving out of the States for
three of his next four fights, right He's supposed to
be fighting Crawford this September in Vegas, possibly Allegiant Stadium,
I wonder if David Benavita's and PBC looks at that
as you're the new You're the new American Canalo, You're
the next successor in taking the two big dates in Vegas, Right, Yeah, that.

Speaker 7 (29:27):
Was someone has to cater to the Mexican fans. And
if if literally if Canelo is going to punt, I
mean someone, someone's gonna run that one back.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
I wonder if we see you and I'm just speculating
as a boxing fan, but if we saw PBC still
run that maythor date in Vegas, maybe with Benavidez and
Pitbull on that card.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's interesting that to me, That to me would signal
a lot.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
That would be interesting. But what a performance from Bevault.
What a fight. But let's transition out way.

Speaker 7 (29:53):
We didn't say better be performed well too? Oh hell yeah,
Obviously he didn't perform as well relative to the first fight.
And even then, I think even if you thought he
won the first fight, this was not that. Yes, But dude, I.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Mean, Bival had to fucking work.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
He had to work. There's so many times. Watch how
many times you just see stuff bouncing off of the gloves,
I mean, and then to be right on top of
him and then catching all that stuff. If you listen,
I've barely trained, But if you've trained even a little bit,
you know how insanely, insanely difficult it is to move
into an opponent and they're, by the way, an accurate puncher,

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and you have to catch everything and then throw it.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
He's a brilli hard better be a brilliant boxer.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
For a guy whose reputation was I knock out everybody
that gets in the ring with me, I mean, it's
just crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
He's had an injury played career.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
He didn't get into the pros until late after a
big amateur career, but he's maximized the time.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
He's a great fighter. He did have his first loss.
Are you okay with him?

Speaker 5 (30:50):
When Beevall tried to extend the handshake in the middle
of the ring after the fight and Beneveta or better
be said no, no, no, let's wait till.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
After the third fight.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, I don't care about that stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
That's fair. That's fair. Let's go into topic and number two.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
And say you want to smoke meth with Hitler, I
mean or Norey want to go fishing with paper.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
So yes, that's that's aggressively awful.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
But we'll talk about gn Silva about that Lord Silver
pretty soon on that topic. Number two, though, is focusing
on the rest of this supercard and look in totality,
well done, Turkey.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
This was a big event.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Outside of some bad pacing off the start, it began
to pace itself quick. Obviously, a fights are going to
be hit or miss. You can't control that. But I
want to see what Luke Thomas feels about whether the
fight Card of the Century lived up to the pre
fight expectations. These were the biggest pre fight expectations we've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
It was literally called the greatest fight card of the century. So, Luke,
even with the late changes to two of the seven fights,
even with the change in venue forty eight or twenty
four hours before, how would you give a letter grade
to the Last Crescendo pay per view? In totality when
we take into account match quality, pacing, entertainment, the broadcast, everything,

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the crowd, everything that goes into it, how do we
grade coming out of the Last Crescendo?

Speaker 7 (32:05):
I think B plus A minus is probably somewhere around there.
Let's talk about the good. First of all, the pacing.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
They made an improvement no post fight interviews for this fight.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
They made a huge, huge improvement on post fight.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
They waited an hour, though be fair, For an hour
they talked in circles and then had a two or
zero guy face a guy who was four forty four
and three.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
I mean early they were playing more fu fuck games.
But as the card moved along, they moved along. I
just don't It's listen, we.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Can kill them for a lot of things, you cannot
kill them for pacing.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
On it was it was wonderful.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
It was so much better when they and by the way,
you know how they put out times ahead of time, Hey,
each dude, they were ahead of schedule doing that. I
mean that was very, very impressive by them. So that
was great. Second of all, I still don't think the
crowd was good at all, but moving it from a
bigger venue to a smaller venue certainly maximized whatever you
were gonna get from that crowd. That was a good decision,

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So there's that. I also think I liked some of
the way the production elements looked at like the ring
and the lights.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I do too. Yes, I thought it was.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
Interesting they had the ring, the roundtimer on the ring post.
Did you see that they did? And they did a
much bigger platform for the ring to the apron. Yes,
So I thought all of that looked cool. They were
trying to advance it. The big the big screen and
the walkout. All of that was great.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
The celebrities and attendance.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
It's pretty great to see AJ and Usick laughing it
and mucking it up at rings.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
I'd like to feel like it didn't feel like you know,
I remember for the first time when we saw Anthony
Joshua fight in the rematch Andy Ruiz.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
But it was the Battle of the Dunes.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
Yes, And there were celebrities left and right for that one.
It seemed like a star studded affair. This one seemed
very apexy, relatively speaking. Now, listen, main event delivered, comin
event didn't need to happen. I appreciate that they tried.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Let's get much out of it, let's get right, let's
stay with the comin event.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
So Joseph Parker, who was originally going.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
To challenge the IBF champion Daniel Dubois du was falls
ill like forty eight hours before. But Cooley Martin Bacoley
is in the Congo, his home country. He's three hundred
and fifteen pounds. He wasn't in camp even though he's
got a fight with Faa Jagba schedule for May in
Times Square and Turkey said that fight's still going to happen.
And he had to take so many flights that he

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didn't get in until two thirty am the night before
the fight Friday night.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
And you can't say negative about anything about Joseph Parker.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
He's under your career resurgence at the moment, and he
went in there and in two rounds.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I mean, it was a kind of a weird sequence.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
He lands a big right hand of Bacoley kind of
shakes his head and laughs at it, and then it's
a grazing follow up right hand that gets him in
the temple.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
It's a delayed reaction. You see a humpty dumpty falling,
but then the corner jumps right up and throws in
the towel.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
There's reports that Paccoli was paid four million to get
on the plane and do this, and it was obvious
that his corner, knowing he didn't even train for the fight,
We're basically like, Okay, we saw him get hurt, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Should the fight have happened? No, I mean, you didn't
need the fight.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
The fight card was so loaded that if you just
had the main event, the Orchies Madromov fight, and one
or two others, you're still looking at one of the
greatest boxing pay per view cards.

Speaker 7 (35:06):
Of all Time's fine, here's my problem with that. And
we talked about it to open the show with Long
Island Luke, which is something interesting happened last week during
Fight Week BC, and I'm sure you picked up on
this all of the marketing around the event was less
about the rematch in the main event and it was
more about the card itself. Yes, there was all of

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this pushing of look it's the biggest card. Look at
how great this card is. Let's compare historical Don King cards.
And again, even with those comparisons, it does compare favorably
across eras so to by no means a bad card
a very very good card. But I'm just saying all
of the promotional focus was centered on making sure that
messaging got out to the broader public, and even during

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the broadcast you heard that as well. What's interesting to
me is when they replace these guys and they talk
about the fight card, Turkey is taking a lesson from
the Ultimate Fighting Chainampionship. That is what is happening here.
They want to be able to show like obviously, Saudi
wealth makes it possible to just call up Martin Baccoley,
pay him four million, fly him out last minute and
do it.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
They can do it.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Or call up Josh Padley who fought shir Ker Stevenson
on five days notice or four and buy him a house.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
That was literally what they did.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
For him, although he was in better shape I mean, he's.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Sure, but I'm saying like they're literally going to those lengths.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
So okay, but people think it's just Saudi wealth, but
it's not.

Speaker 7 (36:25):
The expectation to be able to pull that off was
set by the Ultimate Fighting Championship, who Turkey obviously has
a close relationship with as well. And so what I'm
trying to bring up to is, to me, this entire
focus on how great is the card, How great is
the card, how great is the card. It's not an
irrelevant concerned by any stretch of the imagination, but the
over emphasis relative to even the main event, to me,

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is a misapplication of how we should be looking at things,
which is a function of taking practices from MMA. And
this is the last thing I want to say about it,
to the point that Long Island Luke raised earlier, it's
not even clear that those practices in MMA yield better
returns anyway. So the point I'm trying to make is
when people talk about a great fight card, it's a
totally relevant way to ask a question, But the real

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way to ask it is what was the main event
and did that deliver? That's still always going to be
the primary area of concern.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I'll agree with that, and I don't think you're great
as bad. I still think you can.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
You can score the whole thing in a minus because
it had a gluttony of entertaining fights. It was paced well,
and there were stretches of just like those first three
important fights starting with the Calum Smith Joshua Guatzi fight.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, it just kept escalating.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
They were exciting, they were all kind of had different
storylines to them. So all in all, like I'm here
like everybody else to praise Turkey, like this was awesome,
this was a gift to boxing, But I do think
there's limits to that praising slash glazing, Luke, Like, what
Turkey's doing for the sport is huge and amazing, and
we're getting huge events in such a disjointed sport as

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finding some forms of organization right now, But like the
on screen glazing is it's a negative, it's a turnoff.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
How do we deal with that loop?

Speaker 5 (38:05):
I mean, like it's like this man's taking his nation's
huge wealth and entertainment fund and they have a specific
goal of using boxing to put forth their message and.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
It's working and there's a lot to love about it.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
But there's this glazing of like Santa Claus slash Jesus
slash you know, insert whatever name whatever deity you want of,
like thank you for saving everything, And isn't this the
greatest thing everyone's ever seen? They could just tone that
down and it can be more about the fights. I
think that's a better force.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
Listen, everyone in combat sports, and in particular boxing, will
sell their buttthole to the highest dibidder I've never seen.
You could walk into a home filled with prostitutes and
you won't find as many whorees as you will in
the sport of boxing.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Hold on, Wow, well you're right, you're right.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
The sport of boxing, will will has revealed that the
vast majority of the people inside of it are absolute
money grubbing, avarice motivated woes, whores.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
And by the way, that was true when the sport
was disorganized last twenty five years, and it's true now.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
I mean, no, no, no, they're just cashing in on better
opportunities to be a whore now, But they've always been whores.
What I think about it is it's just fucking insane.
I Mean, we get to these things where like the
hero worship of people in this sport. And by the way,
it's not even organic. This is primed on the pump
hero worship, where you know, if you have a broadcast

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deal with whoever's showing your fight, they're expected to show
who you are if you're Turkey. And he has interviews
and again Ring Magazine is just pumping out pro Turkey
stuff left and right. It's this, it's this cult of
personality around him. And again someone asked me, like, how
do you feel about the Saudi's being in the sport?
And this is the reality b see, and I think
you would agree it's not one thing or the other.
Do I have concerns about monopolization, sure, Do I have

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concerns about doing business with the theocratic dictatorship, Yes, of course. However,
if I'm just asked, are these good relevant fights that
they're making at a greater clip than would ordinarily be made,
there's no argument that's.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
And I do think he's elevating the sport by by
making it seem more glamorous, the Ring Gala the like,
when you like those events feel outside of the small
arena which we had a gripe with, they feel royal,
they feel like you know what I mean, Like we
have boxing hasn't felt that in a while.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I'm all for that.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
I just think we've got to draw a limit in
like show have a level of shame in front of
us because it's getting very.

Speaker 7 (40:19):
It's in boxing right now between people who have microphones.
It's an absolute bick sucking competition. It's gross. It's gross,
but yet it's great for the sport. Well, the the out,
the payout is great, but it's great. I think gratitude
for good fights is always well placed. Yes, stop there, yes,
stop there.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Uh, let's let's continue on the theme of the replacement
shaker Stevenson goes in there not against Floyd Schofield. That's
a whole soap opera to itself, and I don't even
think it's resolved and no one even knows really if
the scofield a.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Question the fight, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (40:53):
The Schoolfield team was saying, well, we're going to be
free agents outside of Golden Boy. Is Golden Boy kind
of criticized that Golden Boy did what's the story? Theirs
they are Floyd is a Golden Boy guy, He's a.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Golden Boy fighter.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
But this was them probably basically being like, well, if
you're going to say this about us, then we'll let
the Lord the world.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
No, we're close to the end of our deal.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
At the presser Oscar who did he apologize to Turkey
chakor maybe maybe Shukur something like that, And I guess
those guys felt really disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Me love that nobody knows about them at the end
of the day.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
If he ducked because they got close to the fight
and realized they didn't want it, or if some shenanigans
happened with did he get drugged or maybe he just
had a bad way cut. There's a lot of potential
options either way. I think, like we talked about Dubai
getting sick helped it. Even though I'm gonna say, and
Twitter's obviously full of anything negative you can find. Twitter
believes that Dubois pulled out of this fight once he

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realized that Dusik wants to have the rematch next and
that saw he's going to go forward with the Dubois right,
But like that fight would make sense anyway, and I'd
rather have that fight than let's say, run back Parker Dubois,
even though like you know, do anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So again with the Schofield thing.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
I don't really know what happened, but I get wanting
to leave, leave Shakur on the card.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I get, you know he put in the training camp.
He's not going to gain much by just not fighting.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
But Luke, did we learn anything from the Josh Padley fight?
Outside of people will definitely find more ways to hate Chikor.
And it's not like I don't get their criticism or
their dislike of Shakur, but I'm just I guess I'm
come to the terms with You're only going to see
the best of this guy against the very best, and
I know that he hasn't always made the right choices
to help him get the very best in the ring.

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Or You can criticize him, sure for the arena's booing him,
but you know what I think of his talent. We
got to get a tank fight, and we like, we
got to figure out business how to make that fight
happen because this division needs it, the sport needs it.
Both fighters I think need it. Chaquor really needs it.
It looked like he heard his left hand. It looked
like he weighed the options and thought going for the
KO aggressively wasn't going to help him. He's still picked

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the guy apart, he still stopped him.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
So a lot of shots were great.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
So like you know, afterwards, Padley would say he had
no power, and it just adds to people wanting to
hate on Chikur.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
But I don't hate on Padley was getting I mean
he was getting he was getting beaten like a like
a step child. I mean, let's be honest about that.
You can say what he wants. He was getting tuned.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Should this fight have happened though, I mean, like the
car didn't need I.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
Have less issue with this one because Padley's in shape,
was in shape and could actually try, but didn't need
to happen.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Fuck no, it didn't.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
Like but for the fact that they were trying to
save a fight, would you ever book this fight? Like,
for example, but Cooley versus Parker, that's a fight you
actually might book under a different upgrade.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Almost it wasn't in reality because it wasn't a title fight.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
But the Padley fight is a fight you would never make.
Now again, it's different because but Cooley came in just
I mean looking like the Hamburgler, I mean so fast.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
And that doesn't help the sport.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
It doesn't. I don't think that mattered so much.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
But but but what I'm trying to make is I
can there's different ways in which to try and judge
the legitimacy of what call they made. But it goes
back to show that it's almost almost impossible if you're
going to get a late replacement for that fight to
be anything what it should have been with whoever the
original fighter was on that one. And people have said, oh, well,

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kid Schofield would have won that one. He would have
made you know, Shaker look bad.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
That's a maybe.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
But to me, yeah, yeah, I don't buy that. But okay,
people were held to holding that position. But you know,
for MMA fans out there, they have very different styles.
But it reminds me a little bit of Izzy, where
you throw Youel Romero in there, who's kind of this
unrefined guy, and you got a kind of a bad fight.
But then you know, when he goes against Robert Whitaker
the first time, or when he goes against Paul Acosta,
guys who are determined to win, you get a very

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very different kind of like Oscar val does.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Right, Carr was exciting in exposing and picking him apart.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
So this is what I mean, I fully fully agree
that if you.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
Want to get anything out of the Shakur Stevenson experience,
he's got to be pushed. If he's not pushed, he's
I'm not gonna say he's gonna coast, but he's just
not gonna necessarily do the things that.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
He He only.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
Can do special things if special guys make him do it.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
And he also has legitimate hand issues like Floyd dealt
with in the second half of his career, and he's
basically saying publicly shit court now he can only fight
twice a year.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
There's a lot of I'm not making sure he can prepare.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
To be honest with you, well, let's hear Let's see
the tweet as he put it out there. So Dirvante
tweeted lol and then cor quote say stay focused, Lamott
ready to tap that ship. So obviously this conversation is
built upon Tank has to get through Lamont roach Junior first.
That's that's this coming Saturday in Brooklyn on PBC pay
per view.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
But Luke, the idea.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Of making this fight realistic, does it go back to
that al Jyman Turkey conversation. I'm not really sure, like,
can this fight be made as a PBC pay per
view with Stevenson at the b side ers he had
to take short.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Money for that.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
He's trying to Eddie Hern you can make that fight.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
It has to be a Turkey fight.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Let's hear Shakur talk about what he wants next here,
teams and that could have been a tricky night with
everything that's happened during the weight.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
But you must be delighted with how you got through that.

Speaker 9 (46:06):
Oh yeah, for sure. One time in my rhythm, nobody
could say my offense, my dfense, I'm very sharp.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
What next for you now?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
One of the biggest fight in boxing, Jervontay Tank Davis.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Let's do it, bro, come on.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Send him a message on Scotsports for us. I'm the
best fight in the world.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Come put me wrong. Well done tonight, congratulations.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
I'm not sure he's not the best boxer in the world, obviously,
he hasn't, doesn't even even being a three division champion,
doesn't have enough wins to be up there, and he
doesn't always give you the performance you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
But he is of those skills.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
I told you at this turn of this year that
this is the fight I wanted to see the most.
Even with Keyshawn Davis almost inserting himself in the conversation
with his breakthrough status. This fight chiquor Tank, If Tank
beats Roach is everything I would want. It's a pound
for pound fight, It's a everything fight. They would be
a unification in the lightweight division. It'd be the most tough,
difficult opponent for both fighters to be everything.

Speaker 7 (46:54):
If that fight's not in the United States, it's an
absolute motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
You got new work, I mean ultim right, But I
would take that on the moon, or.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
If it's a question if it doesn't happen, or or
it does and it has to happen somewhere else, then fine.
But anybody who is competently putting that together are bare minimum.
Anybody who wants to make that fight as big as
it can be, you have to put that fight.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
I wonder if PBC, who have co promoted when it
got to like Mayweather Pachil level right or or Fury
while there two level. I wonder if they would co
promote with Matt Drewman Turkey.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I don't know, that's interesting. I don't know a final
point on that fight. What would you think the line
would be? Right now or should be right now.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
I think Tank would be a modest favorite.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
Like minus one fifteen, well more than that, and you
want to weigh in on this fifth.

Speaker 8 (47:44):
Yeah, I'm not the biggest boxing guy. I was gonna say,
like minus two hundred Tank.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Plus, it's gonna be it's gonna be great. All right,
Let's quickly speed through what we did learn.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Break out performance Virgil Ortiz Junior against Israel Madramov, even
with Madromov now going public and saying I was, you know,
deadly sick in the hospital, but I still push forward
for the fight. Luke, I thought Israel Madromov, who just
gave Terrence Crawford like literal foot a coin at the end. Hell,
in terms of the style, I thought he was going
to expose certain parts of Ortiz and make Ortiz have
to brawl him. Luke Ortiz was patient, great trainer Robert Garcia,

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we know this, but patient from the outside, picked his spots,
waited out Madromov's stamina in movement, and then just outboxed
him and cornered him and dude like.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
He brutalized him late.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
I'm not sure he's not the best one hundred and
fifty four pounder, which which is this what I'm really
trying to say. Cannelo Crawford's probably gonna happen in September
because it's so big, and it was a big part
of Canelo going to sign the four fight deal with
Saudi Arabia. But like, the boxing fan in me is
almost saying, let's hit pause on Cannello Crawford and let's
do Virgil Ortiz Junior versus Bud Crawford for supremacy at

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fifty four. That's the fight I would want to see.
And I did not expect to say that coming in
because even though I deemed Virgil Ortiz an exciting fighter
and on beating guy close fight with Boa Chuck, but
I love the heart he showed, I didn't know he
was of this exact skill level, because to be fair,
this was probably his toughest fight ever on paper, even
though he was a slight betting favorite, and even though
Bernard Hopkins's promoter called him victor on the broadcast twice.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
And meet him in the men's room. But like, is
that crazy to say?

Speaker 5 (49:19):
I think that version of Virgil Ortiz can compete with
Bud at fifty four, not win, but compete, not not
maybe maybe win, but.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
Like I absolutely think he can compete with Bud at
fifty four. I mean this was interesting, Like you actually
look at the numbers, Ortez landed better on Madromov than
Bud did. But the counter to that is that Bud
took much less damage than Ortiz. But to me, that's
really not even the story.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
It's not I've moved more against Budd. He you know
what I mean, he was, he looked healthier.

Speaker 7 (49:44):
It's a different fight. Yeah, it's a different fight, different guys,
different strategies. Ortiz had a very I'm not gonna say
basic approach, but a kind of a simple concept, which
is you got to limit the movement. And dude, talking
about that fight early to middleway through that fight, I'm like, dude,
Madromov is running away with this.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
I'm like, orchies can't tell, can't fucking though.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
You know, it's like little jazz, Yeah, little jabs. Jabs
have been going where, by the way. And that also
tells you the difference between him and Bivel. Bivel had
a similar ish kind of assignment, but was still able
to put a little bit more behind it at times,
at least enough to deter better bevan Uh and Ortez
could not be deterred. But dude, the fact that Ortiz
overcame that and did such phenomenal work to the body,

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the body, the body shots, the body work really taking
his legs away, making him stationary, and dude, once Madromov
was more or less stationary, or Teas whooped him, it
was not close at all. And I actually it's funny
you can they I've seen it circulated on on Twitter,
but this is something that on our I did a

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live stream watching the fight with my friend Othello, and
we called it out during the live stream. There's a
point there where Ortiz cross reaches for a Uh to
peel the guard, but lets it go, and you see
Madrimal raised his hand to get it back up. So
then Ortiz comes right underneath the elbow and crushes him.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Dude, he got forced into a new division at fifty four.
We didn't even know if he'd be a puncher in
this division. His body work is insane.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
It's not just the body work was insane, The pace
was insane, the patience was insane. And then again, dude,
how many times did you see him just go ah
like ripping shots to the body and Magro mav was
just kind of just hunching, hunching, and then the upper
carts cut started firing. Dude, this was one of my
I'm not even kidding, this was one of my favorite
performances from Virgil Ortiz. Maybe not number one, but top

(51:34):
three something like that. Like this was fucking awesome. This
was this was proof of concept. Like everyone kind of
thinks he's gonna outdog the next guy, and I think
if he has to outdog the next guy.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
He can do that.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
This was much more scientific, and this was one he built.
This was a twelve round game plan. This was one
where he was like, we have to build a game
plan for every part of a twelve round frame and
he you know, obviously he did that.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Shit.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
Man, he looked fucking awesome in this fight. I really
love this performance.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
Even though we bag on pfl or I do what
these turty we both do with these tournament ideas, and
now we still have a tournament, but it makes almost
less sense. I wish one hundred and fifty four pounds
we could have an all promotion global tournament. Imagine Bud
Virgilotz Boa chuck in there, bring back Jamel Charlow, Tim Zu,
Sebastian Fondora, Ericson Lubin, Like you really look at the
talent around the world at one fifty four, Like this

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division's fun.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Right now, let's get these fights made, please, please.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Well, we gotta do Canelo Crawford.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Look, that is one of those that brings the casuals
and I can't hate on it.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
It's an incredible story.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Lie toughest opponent Canelos had in a while.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Yeah, indeed very quickly, Luke, I did have to mention
Ajit Kabayel, the German heavyweight is like on freaking fire
now three straight body shot knocklets. He had knocked out
unbeaten Frank Sanchez and now we went in there against
Big Bang Jang, who did not have his best night
at forty one. But Jang knocks down Kabaye in the
fifth round. Pabo gets up off the cansass and stopped
him the next round. He showed as active body punching

(53:02):
as like any heavyweight on this level we've ever seen.
I question if he was for real coming in. This
was a big statement toward him being for real. Now
he's got the interim WBC title. Can this guy crash
the top end of this heavyweight division party or do
they get hit too much?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Like like you know what I mean, Like, there's some
things to like and not like. But he's undefeated, he's aggressive,
he wants the smoke. I just don't know if he
belongs against the true ELI.

Speaker 7 (53:25):
Honestly, there appears to mean nothing special about him dot
dot dot except he's an awesome body puncher. Yeah, three
body shot KOs in a row. If don't have that right, yes,
Like that's not an accident and a lot of heavyweights
are not very good going to the body. Aji Kaba yellas,
But to your point, BC, he also gets hit. Dude,
he's just a fun Let's just say this out loud,

(53:46):
and I can't believe I'm saying this, but it really
is true. The heavyweight division in boxing is so much
better than the heavyweight division in MMA. Comparison conversation, Well, well, okay,
but that was a much tougher conversation to have time ago.
Oh yes, Now it's a fucking blowout where you get
guys like Ajakabayel, who is really good at one thing

(54:07):
that is actually very important for winning, but has tons
of other flaws. But that all means together. He's gonna
overachieve at times, and he's gonna have exciting underachievement and
other times, and we're gonna win either way as fans,
yes like and you don't even have to worry about
alw Is he gonna be the best in the weight class?
Probably not, but who gives a shit because there's a
bunch of other guys in front of them. There are
so many interesting additions to the boxing heavyweight division right now,

(54:29):
some of them imperfect. Aja Kabayel is totally imperfect, but
he's totally welcome as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
That's why this is the third greatest heavyweight era of
all time. And people get mad when I say that.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Not because I think that all of these names are
better than you know, the seventies of the nineties or
or or compare to any other. But they're fun, they're charismatic,
they're marketable, and most of them.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Are vulnerable as shit.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Super wo six seems like, you know, almost unbeatable. Fury
was largely unbeatable. Everybody else is vulnerable af and I
think he fits into that, ou Je and he's fun.
Keep it going, by the way, I hate to say
this to Joseph Parker. I said it earlier. I want
us Duba next, even though it went the way it went,
with the illness and the pull out and all that.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Sorry Joseph Parker, but how about Joseph Parker Ajakab?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
How about that fight Joseph Parker Ajakaba?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Sure, sure, I know that's that's not fair to Joseph Parker.
But also if if Dubois really got sick, it wouldn't
be should he have to go through Parker?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
It's you kind of you have a chance of undisputed,
you take it. That's my theory on that.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
But yes, I mean again, there's tons of fun fights
you can make. Yes, you know, there's not one that
I have to see with Ajakaba in five seconds.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Callum Smith against Joshua Botzi, Dude, that was almost the
fight of the night.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
It was a wonderful fight.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
I completely slept on it. It was Blatzi strong early
and then Callum Smith absolutely a lot of heart, dude,
tons of heart, and then came back and put it
on him.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
A surprisingly very good fight on this.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Calm Smith against Benevitez or Morell.

Speaker 7 (55:53):
But Madramov and Ortiz was the best one. Sorry, the
funnest one. I think I would say you're fun.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
I think Blotzi uh Callum was a better action fight,
but I like the adjustments on the Ortiz fight a
lot more in the different styles and contrasts and all
of that.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Let's go quickly to topic number three.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
It's to close out this Saudi Arabia supercar before we
get into all things ipokes and UFC Seattle and a banging,
all action crowd that they had for that one. And
that's Turkey al ashkh and what we saw picked up
on ringside cameras during the middleweight title about the only
one of the seven fights we haven't talked about, and
that was Carlos Adamis defending his WBC middlewaight title against

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unbeaten power puncher Hamzas Chiras and ultimately being a dispute
would you say controversial or just disputed draw in the
end this fight, Brent brook House of CBS Sports, My
colleague did have it a draw.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I had at about seven five eight four a damas
In my head.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
I thought Adamis probably deserved to be the narrow victor.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
But I gotta be honest, I didn't think him.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
He probably deserved to win. I wouldn't go to the
mat to say it had to be a draw, right,
But I'd be lying with said being a draw was
somehow offensive to me.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
It was not.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
He he lightly exposed Shiraz, Yes he did, right. I
don't think Shress threw enough punches to have won that.
But it was an interesting fight. But before the eleventh round.
At the end of the tenth round, ringside cameras picked
up Turkey Ala Chic running to the corner of Sharaz. Now,
Sharraz is officially a riyaces An ambassador, and we know
Turkey has favorite fighters that are kind of like in
the inner circle, like Tyson Fury, like Mark Chamberlain.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Was this guy for a while.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
And Turkey appears to be screaming toward the corner to
tell Hamza that he's down two points. What we don't
know is if he got that from the fourth AI
judge that Ring magazine is experimenting with, which did have
Shiraz down two points heading into the championship rounds, or
Chris Mannix's un official card on his own had the

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same score.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
But the videos kind of were.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Alarming in their own way, and I want to get
Luke's take. People have seen my take on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Let's first check out check out the video here of
what Turkey did you know?

Speaker 9 (58:01):
Why you don't have the man?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
And then Long Island. Look, if we just see the
alternate angle.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
You.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Why you know what they do? Why you.

Speaker 10 (58:26):
Don't think?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Now? To some it's much ado about nothing. But here's
the situation.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
We don't actually know what the real scorecards were at
that time. Normally major boxing fights they tweet a picture
of the scorecards ring side, the pr guy of the
lead promoter will do that.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
They did that on the ring magazine account for the
main event. They did not do it on this one.
So a lot of people are like, well, what's the issue? Well,
a few issues.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Number one being that no one outside of the corner
is technically, by commission allowed to be running up there
and screaming in like that.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
It has happened before.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
People have talked about the Tank Davis versus Mario Barrios fight.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Do you remember that pay per view, the.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
One in Texas?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, where Floyd was Tank's promoter. Right, oh yeah, And
here's what happened.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
We can see this during the rounds, Floyd says, look
on the showtime broadcast, you're unofficially I think he said
even or down, and Tank was like what And it
turned out to be a turning point moment in the
fight and people are like, hey, BC, what's the issue?
And I say it like this, That was Floyd. Floyd
was his individual promoter, which is why I have no

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issue with Frank Warren or Eddie Hearn, which they've done
many times, being a cheerleader, running up and down, jumping
into the corner sometimes to encourage. I think the setup
that we have now with Turkey Alashkin, Saudi Arabia, where
they are paying the fighters, making the fights, controlling the event,
having financial relationships with the sanctioning bodies, like, it's a
different model. If anything, Turkey's more Dana White right now.

(59:50):
He's more I guess al Hayman to some degree, but
more Dana White right to me, this is a bad,
bad look. Whether it's just oh, Surez is one of
Turkey's favorite fighters and he saw the AI scorecard and
you just wanted to encourage him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Is that the end of the world.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Well, I want to ask you, if if we just
have a UFC main event, So Hudo versus Song You
Dong and Dana White's running in the corner of suhudo,
going hey, tell him, oh, captain your Why is Captain
not in his corner?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Tell him he's down two points.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
I don't know why he wasn't, by the way, but
tell him he's down two points, like I would be like, okay,
that's a little bit too far.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
That's the promoter.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
It's different in boxing because boxing has individual promoters. Every
fighter on that card had their own promoter.

Speaker 11 (01:00:29):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
So Turkey's more of the he's the judge, the Jerman,
he's the law.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
The buck stops with him.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
So either that's just him being too much of a
public superfan, or at worse, it's the the guessing of impropriety.
Did he go overlook the judge's scores to get this?
There is video of him once the twelfth th round
ended that he got up and sprinted around the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I don't know what he did from that. Did he
check the judge scores?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
I think just the fact that that it sniffs that
is awful.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Luke, how do you chime out on this as much
a do about anything or is this potentially kind of
a gross look when you consider how these fights are made.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
I mean, I wouldn't call it the biggest scandal I've
ever seen, but it's clearly inappropriate and unprofessional and should
not happen. There's not open scoring for the house fighter
or the preferred fighter of the promoter. It doesn't work
that way. If there's going to be open scoring, well,
then is open scoring for everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That's not what this was.

Speaker 7 (01:01:23):
This was Turkey for whatever reason, maybe he likes the
guy more or whatever. You mentioned to me that Shereas
is a READD season fighter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Correct, I've read that he's an ambassador.

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
Yes, yes, I mean so he has some kind of
an official relationship with the larger brand.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
And then they're giving him the scores.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
Now, of course they're not changing the outcome per se,
but they're giving him the scores which kind of influence
the outcome. It could certainly influence the bout and they
didn't give that to Carlos Adamis this is favoritism again,
maybe Turkey didn't see it that way. We should also
be very clear about this. Turkey, on the one hand,
seems like he very much has an idea about wanting
to control the sport and only there are times though,

(01:01:59):
where he just acts like a complete goofball and give
me a little hard to disentangle to And it could
also be the case that no one's ever really explained
to him you can't actually do this. But this is
the problem with one guy basically footing the bill for
essentially everything he feels. It seems like I'm going to
make some going to guess here. Seems to me that
he feels a degree of entitlement to interfere in these ways,

(01:02:22):
and it probably doesn't even occur to him that it's
necessarily all that bad. If he's doing it nakedly on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
It's the same thing to me.

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
The rules have to be applied equally, period.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
This shit is too difficult. Carlos Adamis.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
Maybe he deserved to draw, Maybe he did, but he
deserves an opportunity to be treated before the rules, just
the same as Shiras.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
That didn't happen to me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
It's the same thing as when Turkey was interviewed by
Mike Coppinger on ESPN and admitted to Hey, I've been
effing up the news cycle in the last forty eight hours.
By giving everybody false info from my ring magazine account
to shift the Canelo negotiations in my favor. The fact
that he so brazenly shared that shows that he comes
from a different business. He doesn't know the quote unquote

(01:03:06):
rules or the etiquette.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
But here's the deal.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Do I think at the end of the day that
he was rigging that fight for Shiraz? No, I don't
officially think that. Do I think that he ran over
and saw the judges cards. No, I bet you he
was looking at a monitor that had Mannex's scorecard, or
he was looking at the fourth judge thing, totally fine.
Do I think that there's all this pressure in manipulation
behind the scenes on the judges and the referees. No,
I'm not saying that, But I think moments like this

(01:03:30):
tell anybody who doesn't know that nuance that it's very possible.
If not, it's happening right in front of you. So
you would want to avoid any sniff of that. In
my opinion, and I know that he has favorite fighters.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
The mere appearance of impropriety.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Is enough to that's the thing, because you're controlling every
element of that event in cards, so you don't want
to put that out. It's so like, I know he's
a Tyson Fury guy. Sometimes he's in the interviews with
Tyson whatever. But like, I don't think he's actually manipulating fights.
He's gone in before and said last fight first, better
be have bev All fight at the end he so
I thought Bevall one. It was like, okay, great, that
was a great answer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I don't think he's manipulating results.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
No, but you don't want to put that out there.

Speaker 7 (01:04:08):
That's what I'm trying to Also, did you hear the
bone crusher in the background. I just have to say
I got a hot four feva call that bitch, but
Nita knocked the apple off any bum with a hollow
heat seek.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I just had to put that out there. Also, get
the alert ready, I got breaking news?

Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
Can he can we hear it? I got breaking news
for you. This is from a guy who I trust.
He reports breaking news a lot from Leo Gimot.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Iiesh.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
Juliana Panna is gonna fight Kayla Harrison for the title.
This will be seventh of I believe June UFC three sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Where is that located?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
That will be in Newark, Newark?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Just an outside no I thought it was June seventh.

Speaker 7 (01:04:44):
Yeah, so it's June. I don't know how you say
June in Portuguese. I'm reading the Portuguese got you thing here? Yes,
June seventh, Kayla Herre. I don't know if it's the
main event, but Kayla Harrison Juliana Pena from Lao gimot Iich,
who is usually very very good with this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Let's shift to MM main for topic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Member.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
We have to pay some great point, Luke, I'm totally
off the ball on this, all right, do you want
to kick us off here?

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Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
So, oh, you mean true classics in general, Yeah, you
can't go wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
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But the reality is I'm wearing true classic clothes today.
I wear them. I'm not kidding most days of the
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Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
All right?

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That also makes a difference. Shirts designed to fit your
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of those winter must haves. Luke, you know what I'm saying,

(01:06:34):
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you can look good on the night out, you know
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Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Let's get back into the show, and let's get back
into topic number four and a shift to Mixed Martial
Arts UFC Seattle. Look, it was a really good card
on paper and then took a ton of hits in
terms of the matchmaking, and there was last minute scrambling,
but it played out with some all action bonanza. I
believe there were seven for seven and finishes to kick
it off. The crowd was absolutely on fire. But Luke

(01:08:09):
the main event definitely stole the headlines when Henry Sujuto
was poked in the eye unintentionally by Song You Dong
in their bandamweight fight that had a lot of you know,
Top ten implications here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
It was the second foul for Song.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
No points taken away though from Jason Herzog, you know,
some mild consistent warning though. So here's my question from
Suhuto milking every second of the five minutes allotted to
him to referee Jason Hergenzog, not taking the point away
and then forcing the start of the fourth round so
it could go to the scorecards and become a technical decision.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
And not a no contest.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
By the way, I want to know from you, did
Herzog handle the situation properly? And do you also believe
that Suhudo acted shamelessly in looking for a way out
and maybe that fuel Herzog's decision. A lot to get
into here, How do you think it was handled?

Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
I think that they're okay about the shamelessness of it all.
Let me let me do some polling here Long Island, Luke,
to what extent do you believe Suhudo actually had difficulties
seeing like thirty Tell me why you are largely but
not totally.

Speaker 8 (01:09:22):
Skeptical, because I think as soon as the fight restarted again,
he started getting pieced up and then was looking for
a way out of the fight. So then in between
rounds he starts going.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I can't see.

Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
I can't say like you could see two minutes ago
when you decided to resume.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I do agree with that side of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I don't know why.

Speaker 7 (01:09:36):
Why did you think he said he could see because
he didn't say he couldn't see.

Speaker 8 (01:09:39):
Yeah, he took the five minutes and then he continued fighting.
If you can't see, say you can't see.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
He's basically saying he only came to that decision after
he realized that he was so compromised that song was
lighting him up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
But Sugudo kind of did say that in the mic afterwards,
like he you know what I'm saying, what do you
mean saying that?

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
It really wasn't until he tried to fight with post
Eye Scratch that he was getting hit up. He get
right up, and he started to realize, like, this isn't fair.
I can't see guys. So, like, I agree with what
he's saying about.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
I think I think people expect way too much of
fighters in certain respects, way too much. He probably did
try to tell himself, ah, I can see through it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
It's fine, it's whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
And then the right we're talking about an Olympic fucking
gold medalist here. Let's let's you know, he does racist
shit at press weigh ins, and he says a bunch
of dumb shit, but this is a very decorated combat
sports athlete who had I think deserves some benefit of
the doubt here. I personally don't find him. I mean, dude,

(01:10:35):
every time we get to one of these situations where
a foul ends up changing or ending, about half of
the discussion is about how the toughest people I've ever
known in my life are actually just malingering on camera.
It does happen, It mathematically has to happen. I think
going to that as an explanation to me doesn't really

(01:10:55):
help the conversation much. That's the first thing I want
to say. Second of all, in terms of how Henry
handled it, there is a I think an argument that
he didn't handle it all that great. I want to
come back to it. But the first thing I want
to say is can we time out? Time out on this?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
WHOA, what's going on right now? You about to tell
a secret.

Speaker 7 (01:11:11):
When the UFC launched their new gloves, we didn't get
enough data to really know if this was true or not,
but they did make claims, and I went back and
I looked. They did make claims that these should at
least in theory, reduce overall eye injuries or I don't
if they put pokes on there, but it was supposed
to limit any kind of issues that the old gloves.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
It wasn't supposed to limit knockouts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
It was just I don't think they put that on
the Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:11:39):
And obviously there was some preliminary data that the new
gloves were minimizing KOs but as most people who was
what we're watching that who compiled the statistics said, it's
still a little too early to tell. Doesn't matter. UFC
pulled the plug and they went back to the old gloves.
Now again, I don't even know if the new gloves
were going to fix our meaningfully reduce ipoke SPC, but

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they at least put that as something of a selling
point when they gave it to us. If we're going
to retreat to the old gloves, that means, no matter what,
you're going to retreat to the old problems. And given
that we've had more elegant solutions to this problem, either
to the power lock Everlast Glove or the Trevor Whitman
glove or the Pride Glove, the UFC bears some responsibility

(01:12:24):
here for going to what is basically old technology that
doesn't do anything to meaningfully curb the problems. That's actually
the first thing I should say here. Everyone wants to
make this about Henry and Herzog, and I'm like, the
gloves play a role. Would the UFC chose to go
to gloves that they know do nothing to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
EyeT but not having a culture where you enforced points.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
And I'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
In a timeline.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
That makes more sense that because it's affecting fights, that's
bigger than the change.

Speaker 7 (01:12:51):
Fine, fine, but I think having a conversation about the
problem has to start with we actually have some reason
to believe there are already better technological solutions to this problem,
and they don't want to go to them. I don't
understand why that is. That's problem number one. Problem number
two with Herzog, I don't have First of all, I
like Jason Herzog a lot as a referee. I think

(01:13:11):
way more often than not he gets it right. I
truly believe that. I know he trains, I know he cares.
I've spoken to him a few times privately. He's a
locked on kind of guy. But it's a difficult job.
They're not always going to get it right. I don't
think he got it right necessarily here going from the
third to the fourth round. I don't have an issue
with that. That's just the nature of the way the
rules were being implemented at the time. Not taking a

(01:13:33):
point from Song Ya Doong to me is just indefensible.
There was the ball kick in the second round, which
they partly stopped, then there was a bad one that
they stopped for in the third round. Then he follows
that up with an ipoke that goes fucking knuckled deep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
And the warnings were not strong, not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Into his fucking brain. Understand what happened. Henry Suhuto was
fouled and then ultimately fouled his way into be like
in terms of receiving the foul fouled his way into losing. Guys,
if your system is set up where the person who
gets fouled ends up losing the fucking contest, something is
off about your rules. And I know there are rules

(01:14:11):
where if it about goes long enough, then you judge
and blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I get all that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Guy even said Song You Doong won a technical decision.
He won a technical decision to three rounds of judging.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
But this is the point. If he had been deducting.
If Herzog had deducted a point, this would have been
a majority draw, So it didn't even matter if it
would have gone to the fourth round, he wouldn't have
had the out. How is it that Henry Shuto is
supposed to be the guy that gets kicked in the balls, poked.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
In the eye and then he's the one that has
to lose. What the fuck are we doing with that?

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
I was gonna say that I think two things can
be right. I think three things can be right. One,
I don't actually think Suhuta deserve to lose this fight
for that same point you said, And we have seen
fights in recent years that met this sort of same
thing where there was like a fighter could use the
question of can you continue or not strategically. So when
I say two things are right, I think so Hudo.
It's not his fault that he got viciously finned all

(01:15:00):
the you know on that third one after no, no
strong warnings are taking away of points. But I also
think he attempted to milk the system, which is a
veteran move at a level that was like egregious, like extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
So first I want to show what.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
Su Hudo posted in this look he got legitimately injured.
Let's be And this is what Suhudo posted in response,
first the picture of it, and then do you have
also the description.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
We just got the picture. It looks like me after
five gummies.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
So he mentioned three different like dot like some other
ones as well, so three.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
Different damaging things. He was uh because he went to
the hospital to check it out. But then number two
is him sitting down and milking it and he got booed,
I think it rightfully, So it gave the impression that
he's it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:47):
Why is his vision supposed to just materialize on a
timeline five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
For a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
But you can't act like he wasn't also milking it
even though he got aft up and it wasn't his fault,
he was also milking it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
How will you say milking and what does that mean?
That should to me.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
Strategically trying to figure out how do I use every
possible secontion.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Why shouldn't he do that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
You get five minutes? It's not illegal?

Speaker 7 (01:16:09):
What is wrong with him doing that? I want everyone
to take a moment to think about all of the
decisions that as prize fighters, MMA fighters don't get to make.
All the decisions that get outsourced to other actors, and
we go, by the way, how many times we had
a pit bull cruise issue last time Floyd Mayweather before,

(01:16:30):
I don't like these gloves. I'm not going to fucking
wear them because Floyd was the one putting his health
on the line. He'll be damned if someone's gonna put
gloves on his hands that he doesn't approve. And we're
back to that here. And that's just one I could
pick many. Him taking the five minutes to make a
more informed decision, whether while it was not pleasing to
watch in real time, is one of the few things

(01:16:52):
he can do to take control of a bad situation.
Fuck everyone who thinks he was out there fucking hamming
it up and doing the work oot and fucking knuckle
trick pulling, knuckle pulling, pulling fucking nickels from behind his
little kid's ear.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Okay, ridiculous. Are you ready?

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
The time was off, the five minutes were up, and
he still was kind of walking the other way, like
I get that he's got a freaking eye injury and
he's trying to make a decision.

Speaker 7 (01:17:17):
You poked in the eye real back, yes, and it
didn't come. My vision did not come back after five minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
I know part of my anger should go more in
the direction of Herzog, the rule, the commission rules, everything
about that. It seemed like Henry got f't but Long
Island looke, I want to get your opinion. We can't
act like so Hudo wasn't trying to milk every second
and opportunity here almost shamelessly.

Speaker 8 (01:17:36):
I agree, And I was rooting for Henry Suhudo. In fact,
that's the only bet that didn't get me a perfect week.
So I I wanted him to win, dude, But I
still felt like he was milking it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
Okay, you're saying he's milking it, tell me why he shouldn't.

Speaker 8 (01:17:48):
That's there's no reason why he shouldn't been.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
And why are we talking about it?

Speaker 8 (01:17:51):
Because most fighters, and maybe it's the pressure from the
crowd booing and stuff, most fighters never take even close
to the five minutes saying they shouldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:17:59):
Fighters make terrible decisions with their lives every day. How
is that a basis of comparison?

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
Okay, Sohudo was diagnosed with the diplopia, soft tissue damage
and a corneil abrasion. So it's not nothing here. Okay,
this is legit. I get what you're saying. This is
not wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:18:13):
I'm not telling you he didn't milk it. What I'm
asking someone to tell me is what is the problem
with that, especially.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
In the face of the way the rules are almost
against the person who got folluoled. Look, bottom line, the
biggest culture, the biggest culprit is is the system.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I want to say Jason Hurzag, but it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
The commission system not putting more of an emphasis because
they don't want the referees to be part of the
scoring in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
That's why I feel like there's such a huge the
culture of let's warn, warn, warn.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
It's never aggressive enough, it's never consistent enough, and they
keep giving these guys extra extra chances.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
This changes the fight. You only get three rounds.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
I know this was a five round fight, but like,
these moments change the fights. So I really wish that
it was established in the system that I don't care
if it's an accident you viciously follow somewhere, maybe you
get one warning. You get one warning of one foul. Now,
like there's levels of what the second foul can be.
The second fall can be an accidental abrasion on the crotch.
There's a difference between that and a full through illegal

(01:19:09):
punch or knee or what we saw here with an ipoke.
Shouldn't a referee have an ability to discretion where that
where in this case, I'm gonna jump through the warning. No,
you get a point taken away. You may have not
have done it intentional, but you sticking your finger into
the brain is going to change this fight and take
away from your opponent. So the point is the penalty,
whether it's your fault or not. Establishing that will obviously

(01:19:30):
teach a new culture. They had to do it in
the NFL to protect the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yep, you had to learn how new way to tackle.
It is what it is like.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
I couldn't agree more. Jim Miller, by the way, talking
on this morning on Twitter saying he's been poked in
the eye two different times and fights, and both times
it resulted in not like total loss of vision, but
permanent loss that he was never able to get back. Dude,
this is no fucking bullshit. Yeah, this is why people
like he milked it or you know, how bad was it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Guys?

Speaker 7 (01:19:52):
He got poked in the fucking eye in the middle
of a cage fight. Have a little bit of sympathy
for this guy. But the one thing I will say,
this should.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
Have been no contest. I get why it was, but
I think it should have been okay.

Speaker 7 (01:20:01):
But this is the one area of blame that I
think Suhudo has to accept, and not just him, all
fighters guys. If you've ever talked to a prize fighter,
they know like how to do their game in MMA
like the back of their hand, right, especially the elite ones.
But even the elite ones don't know the rules of MMA.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
They don't know that. They don't know the Commission's rules.

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
To me, if you knew the Commission's rules and you
still couldn't see that great and you knew that it
was a five round bout.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
If it goes to.

Speaker 7 (01:20:30):
The next round, they're just gonna go to the fucking
scorecards because remember, so Hudo asked Herzog for a point
deduction on on the song and it is his right, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Actually it was hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
He was like Herzog was like can you can you continue?
And He's like, shit, took the fucking point away.

Speaker 7 (01:20:45):
He's right, and he and referee Herzog has a right
to to it's his discretion. But if they're not gonna
do that, and you know, the rules say you can't
fucking see, because all it turns out he actually couldn't
fucking see. That's actually telling the truth. But this is
what I mean. MMA fighters are robbed of so many
decisions from the beginning of camp to after the fight

(01:21:06):
that other combat athletes get to make. That would be
one he would get to make, and he punted it away.
And so when that happens, well, now the Commission's going
to make a decision for you fighters of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:20):
Take control of the decisions that there are actually empowering
you to make.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
It's the same thing of the people criticizing the Hanes
for letting Ryan Garcia miswait and then they just, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
They kept going with the fight.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
You know what I'm saying, Like, in that situation, he
could have been like, no, this guy's out of control,
he's disgracing me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
We're not doing the fight. So it could have done that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
They had a choice, and then they let the commission run.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
With yes, I don't want to miss the point of
this fight. So even though they so let me get
let me do it this way. So who don't want
to rematch? And he's still tweeting about it. Songy Dong
in the post fight interview said, I'll give him a
second chance.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Let's hear Dana on the topic.

Speaker 13 (01:21:53):
Obviously, Henry AND's song seem like they want to have
the rematches. That kind of what you're thinking that they
should run that one back.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Not at all, not even a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Why is that?

Speaker 14 (01:22:02):
I just don't want to see it again, do you know?

Speaker 13 (01:22:05):
I thought it was a good fight leading up, and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
You want to see it again. We should probably do
it in a couple of months.

Speaker 13 (01:22:10):
It depends on the eye, right yeah, Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Let's talk about the actual fight.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
We did get two and a half rounds of material
that I know they did finish the third, but but
you know, it was a different fight once Henry was compromised.
To be fair, Look, Luke, I want to give Hudo
credit at thirty eight for really trying to improve his game,
trying to add like there was a lot more offensive
variety in.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
This a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
There was a lot of a commit He looked like
a young guy for a while. There was a commitment
to moving and really trying to uniquely create offense that
I don't think is sustainable at thirty eight. And I
think he's going to you know, and he's game. He
showed a great chin in there, and if he wants to,
he could be a part of some all action fights
between big names. But I think we learned through three

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rounds there that the super elite version of him, he
can capture it for little pockets, little moments, but I
don't think you can do that over a five round
fight against these horses.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I know the fights with Morob and al Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Particularly were close and competitive, but I think we learned
in those coming off the long layoff that he just
was a gear too short.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
He needed another gear.

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
This he expended all the energy he could to stay relevant,
to try to round out his game. Like I said,
I saw moves in there I'd never seen from Suhudo before.
It's not going to be enough. I think we learned
that through three rounds here against these guys, because I
think Song is of the lower end of the elites,
and Song was putting it on him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Dude. I thought it was reasonably competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I thought that the guts of Henry and the mind
kept him in there, Yes, but he has to take
a lot of punishment to be at the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
I mean, I don't get me wrong. I thought Song
was better. I thought Song was winning that contest. But
I thought, you know, Henry was making it competitive overall,
and certainly in some spurts, And so you know, Song
winning in some sense, like is some you know, is
not an affront to what transpired in the cage per se.
But I'm a little bit with Dana, like, I don't
have a strong need to do this. I just feel

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bad for Henry. He hasn't won a fight in five years.
He's zero to three sense whatever you want to call
that retirement sabbatical that he was on. And you know,
there's an I said this before. There was an argument
to be made that when he retired there were a
bunch of bantam weights in front of him that probably
would have one of them would have beaten him at least,
you know like that, you know, it was like he
was gonna go on some forever title reign. But the

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other reality is he walked away at the peak of
his powers and we are far and.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
His envision right when he left suddenly was like top
to bomb, the deepest and most incredible in the sports.

Speaker 7 (01:24:33):
If it's one thing to compete at thirty two thirty
three at bantamweight, tried doing it thirty seven thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
It's fucking tough.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
And like he was game on Saturday, and he like,
I mean, he's not impressed with parts of his game.
I mean it was there.

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
You know, there was times where he would get hitt
and then fireback, and like he showed some life.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Like once we realized he couldn't take a song down
and keep him down, then it became a different fight.
Then he needed all the creativity of the offense to
try to hang with a song.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
But through through executing that, at his age, he's going
to get lit up.

Speaker 7 (01:25:02):
I was going to say this to I thought song
you Doong looked good and again I thought he was winning.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Fine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
It was a fun fight too.

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
It was a good fight. I was a little bit
pick each other off at a kickboxing range. But I
didn't think song looked amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
It's a good conversation to have.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
I didn't think it look long. I don't Luke, how
did song look to you? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:25:22):
I agree, I mean you guys said it earlier, he's
like that lower end of the elite.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Yeah, yeah, Like I don't think he's ever together yet.
Will he ever put it together? As the real question.

Speaker 7 (01:25:30):
And he's still got time, Like he's still very young,
so like I would, I don't want to count him out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
He was like fourteen.

Speaker 7 (01:25:36):
I keep waiting for that to be like this one
performance where I'm like, Okay, fuck, he's.

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
Arrived and it hasn't happened yet in this fight was
I think if there was no ipoke, this fight could
have been that you may not getting the stoppage here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
It depends how much more Shudo.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Was going to take.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Hard to say, but even if you beat Suhudo who
gave a like I said, we gave, gave a very
good effort, that that would have been the win.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
And now it's it's the IPO fight, right, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
So it's unfortunate. And that regard one more thing with Dana.
They did ask him about the whole point situation.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Do you believe a point should have been taken.

Speaker 14 (01:26:08):
If you thought it was intentional, if you thought he
intentionally poke them in? Do you believe it was intentional?

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Why would he poke them in the eye.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
He's doing pretty well.

Speaker 14 (01:26:19):
If he was getting his ass whooped and poke them
in the eye, you could probably make the argument. But
you're you're, you're you're not sure it wasn't intentional? No
it what's your last name?

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
No, But dude, he's so fucking wrong, like ire, and
I know that everyone's like, oh, you guys are always
hating on him. I'm not even hating on him because
I think a lot of people actually think this, guys. Uh,
A foul does not need to be intentional to be
a huge fucking problem. B See how many times have

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there been a pass interference call in the NFL roughing
the passer?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
You name it? Where you thought?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:27:05):
I mean, he wasn't obviously intending to fuck with this
person in this way, especially on these quarterback hits. But
they still throw the flag anyway. Yes, what the fuck
are we talking about? There is an entire sub in
the rule book, in the rule I'm not even making
this up in the rules about intentional fouls versus non
intentional fouls. It's the most worthless fucking distinction imaginable, because

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walking around like fucking three.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
Students have nothing in the rules to prevent somebody from
doing this, which is what song did. Anytime Shuto's about
to throw, it's your fault, okay, Like.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
It can be an accident and still be a disaster
for the other guy and still make it unfair for
the other guy. And it can be negligent to a degree,
not intentional, but negligent. That's what this was. And he
had already filed him previously. This was the second cessation
in action. And they never ever, ever, ever want to
penalize the intentionality is. I cannot overstate this, and please

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one more time double check me in the bylaws in
any fucking state commission. It does not, under any circumstance
have to be intentional for it to be called. And
in fact, there's an entire rule genre around non intentional fouls.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
If when you die of a heart attack, at least
do it on our show for ratings. Be a man
about it, all right, you know what I mean? I
have I have it all on the playing field.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Please only only if you bury me in smoke. You
understand you got to put me in the thing and
the stuff it full of.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
I need your last point on intentionality after watching this clip,
was this intentionally racist by Henry s Hudo or accidental
when he came out with a giant fortune cookie.

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
And I did see one, a zaying being like that
was a life size fortune cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Yes, oh yeah, it says what song's luck is running low?
Round four TKO. He was right, he was right, he
was right. I mean, that's one of the most least
racist racist things.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
Keep saying again, this is an industry where if you
mildly insult another person of power or even any kind
of or they get really bitter at you and their
feelings get really hurt and then they tell you to
like lighten up on this. Again, there was a degree,
there was a degree of levity to this. I don't
think the world's going to end.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
You put a guy in jail for a tweet.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
I just want to point out, just say you like
the racism.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
Just say that, Just say you like you like doing
the jokes like that, you like the racism.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Yeah, it's not really about anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
But okay, never hearing right there, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
Hey, let's go to topic number five and that's the
rest of UFC Seattle. But particularly when I'm talking about
this undercard an electric crowd, which I think helps play
a big role in producing a number of great finishes,
a few all action bangers. But Luke, let's talk about
individual performances in the world, a lot of them, outside
of pointing out how much more fun it is for

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a fight night to be in front of an arena
with depraves, crazy fans like they were in Seattle compared
to the damn apex. Outside of that, right from Fluffy
Hernandez to Lord Silva to Austin Vanderford and his UFC debut,
to insert whoever you want who was the biggest winner
on the UFC Seattle undercard.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Man, that's a tough one.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
I struggle with this because you want to say Fluffy,
but you don't want to say I want to say Fluffy,
but I don't know if I can, and I don't
know if I'm being too harsh.

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
So okay, I'm gonna say Fluffy. The reason I'm gonna
say Fluffy is because this was a quality opponent. This
was a guy who had faced him before, by the way,
so this was a rematch in and that can definitely
make for its own challenges.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
Hernandez won the first fight in LFA, and it was
a barn burner.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Title fight that went just like this one.

Speaker 7 (01:30:35):
And there were many things he showed in this fight
that leads you to believe he's got some more climbing
in the rankings to do. Also, was you know comin
events lot and whatnot. So for that reason, yeah, I
mean what the facts speak for themselves as it relates
to Anthony Hernandez. However, the tape for me was a
little Now what you told me was that he he

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said afterwards he was injured. We have the video, well,
let's cause I wonder I haven't seen it, so I
want to react to that because to me, I'll say,
this got a great win. You did exactly what he
needed to ultimately in the end. But there were a
lot of problems with a tape on Fluffy in this.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
It was it was a really sloppy fight, but I
loved it. Like there were points where I was like this,
I tweeted, this fight's like a thrill ride.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
It's out of control. And then people were like, yo,
this fight sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Oh, it didn't suck.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
It was exciting. But let's hear from Fluffy hard fot.

Speaker 13 (01:31:28):
You mentioned after the fight that you were on some antibiotics,
Like how serious were things leading into the fight.

Speaker 9 (01:31:34):
Let's just say I got off at Maxacilan uh Friday, Okay,
so I'm like shit, and then I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I messed up my.

Speaker 9 (01:31:42):
Ribs two weeks ago, so my ribs were fucked before,
and it was just like, thank God for the PI
They were here and they helped me every fucking day.
We got it to be good enough for the fight
and went out there and made it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
So yeah, and.

Speaker 13 (01:31:57):
Then we can ask you now, obviously because you won
the fight. But I know it looked like a tough
weight cut yesterday. Was that It looked like that was
the case, dude.

Speaker 9 (01:32:03):
The fucking pills and max Cilin was holding a way.
I talked to the p I T people too, and
they said the same thing that when you're on out
of biotics, it's very hard to cut weight. So while
my body was trying to recover, I'm trying to fucking
deplete it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
You know what I mean. So it like a dog
it was America.

Speaker 9 (01:32:17):
But uh, I'm pretty fucking tough between the years and
made it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Okay, that changes a lot. That's a lot, I mean,
that's a shipload.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I mean Madromov went, like, these fights, I'm axicilin now right, Like,
these fighters are freaking.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
So if that's the case, then I think we should
give them a mulligan. Then the answer has to be
Gene Silva.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Yeah, Genna.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
In fact, gn I keep calling them gene them, Lord
cat Them, Lord, Bryce Mitchell. Don't like that. Whatever you
want to call them, Lord Silva, Jean Silva, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Good four appearances guy is.

Speaker 7 (01:32:47):
A promotional highlight machine. He knows exactly how to stir controversy.
I don't like the dapping up so much. That part
gets me a little, you know, it's a little too frequent.
But but from the personality to the fight itself, to
the way the fights are ending.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Doesn't he hit off the dap up though? Doesn't he like, like,
give you a high five?

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
And then yeah, I mean he doesn't. It's not sneaky,
but he doesn't. Wait, there's all there's not a grace period,
let's put it that way.

Speaker 7 (01:33:12):
But in any case, he is so spectacular. He's such
a fun adjustment. Fighting nerds in general are doing incredible things,
and he's one of the foremost exciting guys in that
whole movement.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Gotta be him, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
He's exciting as f af.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
He took first round tko of Milsick sorry and uh
four finishes four fights in the UFC. But this did
this not feel like a coming out party. Like he'd
been exciting before, he'd been crazy before, but this took
his sort of like I don't love all of his craziness,
but it just shoots through your TV and like a
Elvis on the Ed Sullivan Show type of way where

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you're like, holy crap, I can't stop looking at this guy.

Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
Fighters who are unhinged, and I don't mean not unhinged
like war machine, I mean unhinged, like they've got this
sort of weird, creative voice in their head making them
do weird, unusual but kind of cool thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Yes, he's got that. He's got that and it changes.
It makes him have a weird personality, but a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
He's joyful too.

Speaker 7 (01:34:07):
He's joyful, he's vicious geon. Jean Silva whatever is fucking fantastic.
But i'd be curious to know, Longlan Luke, who was
your biggest winner on this card.

Speaker 8 (01:34:17):
I was gonna say Silva as well, but I want
to give a shout out to Ricky Simone, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
A's a k over the year content.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
That's that's to take a year off your career. Ko like,
that's a he got.

Speaker 7 (01:34:28):
And by the way, Jovid bosherot posting right before the
show today, he was like, no excuses. I felt great,
wit cut was great. I was ready. He just got me. Yep,
all right, that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
I want to get back just to close on g
and Silva because he did call out Bryce Mitchell afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
So listen to.

Speaker 12 (01:34:41):
This after the fight Mitchell, I can probably guess why
you might not like Bryce, But what is it about
that fight you'd like to take him on?

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Uh boom?

Speaker 11 (01:34:52):
I think that, you know, Brice Minter was somebody that
would offered me an opportunity a renewed, very good renewed
contract if I beat him all So, I mean he's
a guy who fought Ilia and then he took him
to the brink. I mean it was, you know, finished
towards the end of the round. So I mean he's
a tough opponent that they can be dangerous and as
far as you know, everything else, I think there are

(01:35:13):
things that you can tolerate, especially when you're a pub
up persona and you say it him out loud.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
I think his interpretation of the Bryce Alia fight is incorrect. Yeah,
he didn't push him to the brink. He Bryce got
pushed to the brink of retirement. Like that was like
a sustained beatdown.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
Yeah, Bryce got beat up so bad he didn't know
if he wanted to keep fighting after that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
Outside of the recent Bryce Bryce comments on Hitler and
then him on the Jackson podcast and outside all that stuff. Right,
if gn Silva Lord Silva improves to five and zero
in the UFC by beating Bryce Mitchell, is he like
a featherweight title contender?

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Is he just a top tenor.

Speaker 7 (01:35:53):
Here's what I can say after Saturday, John Silva needs
to be fighting raked guys. He needs he needs to
be fighting ranks.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Guys.

Speaker 7 (01:36:01):
You're asking, like what jumping through the screen the Melsic bagdasarians,
We're done with that, Like we don't. It's a complete
waste of his time. I mean it was fun fight,
but like now we can clearly tell he is so
far past that. How far we don't know. We shall see.
But I did see that Bryce Mitchell said that, you
know he was supposed to have that grappling match. Yes,
against the Israeli guy. He's not going to do that

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now he's got a big fight coming up. He didn't
say which one, but maybe GM Lord so maybe maybe
it was only one Lord BC. That's what that's what
That's what Bryce was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
I mean, I agree with that, but you know that's
another topic.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
But who knows these guys get you know, we're tattoos.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Who knows I would have gone fishing with JC. I'll
tell you that much. Okay, we didn't need the meth
the two of us. Let me say this one other thing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
Austin Vanderfert, he took the fight on less than a
week's notice, didn't have to go through the Dana we
Contender series this time. If it was convenient for the
UFC because he's from nearby, that's fine. But he also
got himself a dominant second round finish over Nikolai Verretna Cough.
But we almost had a Paul Daily more afterwards when
Verrettnakough after getting after losing one strikes, you did get whooped,

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almost got submitted around two like he got owned on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
He would push Vanderford.

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
They would have a chovy match. To get the double
Birds from Austin. Here's Austin talking about that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know, for him, I'm not really
sure what he's complained about. He wasn't ever going to
get out of the position we were in, and and
he was just gonna get.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Hurt even worse.

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
So, uh, he's lucky that the ref saved him.

Speaker 13 (01:37:30):
To be honest, Well, I mean the bonus for you, right,
you get the finish and you also got a really
good shot of the double bird that's all over Twitter
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Shit, Okay, yeah, I didn't realize that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
Of course, our emotions are running and and uh, you know,
he starts tucking sitting, he comes up and calls me
a bit, and it's like, I mean, who's cut up
and who's getting their ass beeds?

Speaker 8 (01:37:53):
So and that's just the way saying.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
To go Luke.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
A lot of people would tweet that that guy for
it what's his name, not for Rettnikoff, for Retnikoff, that
like he oh, he's gonna get fired now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
But what do you think about that moment he didn't
get cut?

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
He didn't get cut.

Speaker 7 (01:38:10):
I mean, okay, Paul Daily when he got cut or
trying to hit Josh Koshchek did just that. He actually
swung at him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
He didn't. Vertnikoff didn't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:19):
He pushed, so did by the way, Pavlovich after the
Volkov because they were former training partners in the right.

Speaker 7 (01:38:27):
But that was more pushing. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
It seems like they don't really care about the pushing.
It's the throwing of the okay strike, I mean, and
you know what, listen, I think what happened is unprofessional
and shitty and should never happen. But I've said this before.
These guys were just in cage fights. Their brain I mean,
I'm not going to be disparaging like I mean serious,

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like their critical reasoning skills are somewhat compromised on their
motions like you gotta be you got to me. It's
always not what they do there, although that can matter too,
but mostly once they've down, then talk to him and
if they're still saying it's stupid things, well then you
have a different conversation. But most of the time when
she finds that these guys are like, you know, I
was just feeling it was I was on edge or
blah blah blah. I don't think it's a reason to

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cut him other than he's probably not very good. We
don't have to throw to it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
But that's almost exactly what Dana said, So it was
a good I thought it was a good reaction from
Dana too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Once I actually saw it, I was like, Okay, that's got.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
To show these guys a little bit of humanity something right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Plus, I don't think Paul Dailey should have got cut.

Speaker 7 (01:39:25):
I also don't think Paul or No, he probably should
have gotten cut, but he should have been brought back.
There were multiple times people tried to get Daily back
in the fold and then they was like, he'll never
get back, and I'm like, all right, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
I mean, it can go badly.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
There was that Friday Night Fights, that famous fight on
ESPN's Friday Night Fights. I forgot that fighter's name at
this moment where he like, knock that dude out really badly.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
It's the guy who did the knockout went on to
kill Max Kellerman's brother Sam.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Wait what you have to research it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
We'll get with a story for another time, but sad situation. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
On that note, we wrap up the five topics I
believe unless you want to shout out against Ibo.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Yeah, yeah, he got us.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
You may have saved the job, aren't there right?

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
Save his job? Also, it's like light heavyweights.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Just well, he said his the rest of his career
begins now like this was the first day of his career.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Yeah's you don't believe in the whole I don't all
right a Lonzo men I feel by split decision and
a slopd How.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Did you score that fight a long Island Luke.

Speaker 8 (01:40:21):
I thought Alonzo took it. Gaff was on Walker. He
thought walker walker took it, so I could see it
going either way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Uh yeah, Rob Font.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Wasn't a banger, and he came up. He came out
on top very close.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
He did as well. Yeah they dude.

Speaker 7 (01:40:33):
By the way, that whole prelim card was fucking awesome.
It was a banger top to bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
Well, I wasn't over overstating that Long Island. Look that
Seattle card in general had insane crowd in great moments.

Speaker 8 (01:40:44):
Like I agree, crowd was awesome, fights are awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
Didn't have that old school thing that some UFC pay
per views had where it would be like hot early
crazy knockouts and that momentum would just carry the whole night.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
You needd be like there's something in the earth tonight.
Anything can happen.

Speaker 5 (01:40:57):
In the main event had that feel and then anything
could happen because then song was like, let me tickle
the back of your brains.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Let me just just jiggle your eyes with my fingers.

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
All right, we're gonna take those topics and throw them
and now we're gonna hear from you the fans, and
don't forget every Sunday night at morning combat on Instagram
and X you have your opportunity to ask us a question.
These are apparently the five best. If you have a
real weird name, we're gonna make fun of you. This
one's called DMS from docs. That's I don't know why

(01:41:30):
we still have that. I mean, we've voiced.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Our opinion on it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
They don't care what we think.

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
This is from the guy in the chair inc Well,
he's incorporated. Now do you think ESPN allowing MLB out
of their broadcasting agreement after this year is a signal
that they, meaning ESPN, are going to make a huge
push to re sign UFC. MLB cited a lack of

(01:41:54):
coverage on their end.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
I guess on ESPN's end.

Speaker 7 (01:41:58):
Yes, they didn't think that they were getting enough wrap
around coverage on the various ESPN platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Is does this in your eyes? Open up room?

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
Because for for as of right now, ESPN is said
to be out of the boxing uh scene too right
when Top Ranks deals up at the end of July.
I don't know if they're going to be a part
of any other future deals TKO, Like, who knows. But
do you think UFC has a chance to stay on
ESPN in some form? And is this move a setup
to that?

Speaker 7 (01:42:25):
I think ESPN keeps UFC pay per views and I
think just about everything else goes away. Maybe maybe they
maybe they keep Contender series something like that. But like
these fight nights, these are going to go somewhere up Netflix, Amazon,
something like that. It's like they're gonna spread out. UFC's
up to this point has always had one distributor basically,
I mean there's some you know, oh oh uh Main Card, Airson,

(01:42:48):
Spike prelims are.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
On Facebook or Fuel TV or something, but.

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
In general, was all even Fuel was in the was
in the Fuel was changed to Fox Sports one, Fox
Sports two from Speed and Fuel. So the point I'm
trying to make is it was still in the Fox family,
even FX, it was still in the Fox family.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
It was a Nashville network at some point, maybe too TNN.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
But they're they're going to start breaking that up.

Speaker 7 (01:43:08):
They're gonna start putting stuff here, putting stuff here, putting
stuff here, and they're gonna get as much money as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
All right, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
Our second question comes from Christina Pinto Pinto underscore b JJ.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
I think I'm not sure, but I think this person
is a medical doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
All right, well, doctor Pinto, happy to meet you here.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
If Ilia isn't successful up at lightweight, where would he
go from there? What would it do to his legacy
if he was forced to go back down to featherweight.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Also, Dana White said at the postfight press conference that
which fighter Diego Lopez had said that the UFC was
no longer going to allow champ champs, Dana said that
that's not true.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
To Poria made the decision to vacate the bell. He
said he would allow champ champs, but only if they're
going to stay active enough to defend in both divisions.

Speaker 7 (01:43:53):
So I just wanted to I find it unlikely that
he is going to be overmatched all together, do you know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
What I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
His power is going to carry out.

Speaker 7 (01:44:03):
Like you know, Islam is a very very tough fight.
And the other one too is like I don't think
Saryukian is as talented as Ilia. No, but he is
naturally bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Is that the best non title intro fight or is
it Poorier?

Speaker 7 (01:44:17):
For I think the top three would be Saryukian, Poorier,
and OLIVERA Bronx. Oh that'd be sexy. No, Bronx would
be ridiculous. And I don't think he's overmatched in any
of them. Like, dude, Sarykin's ability to just be on
you and wrestle the whole time. That's a tough fight
for Ilia bro tough fight. So I don't think he's
gonna go up there and just bomb. But even I

(01:44:39):
as a Taporia booster, I'm a little like, I don't
know how he's gonna go up there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
I don't know, I don't know what doesk like?

Speaker 8 (01:44:45):
Is there any friendship between Ilia and Arman?

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Why would there be?

Speaker 8 (01:44:50):
Isn't m George Armenian? I thought he had ties to
Georgia as well.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
No, I think he's got boys who are Georgian. But
he's he's Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
You have ties to the American Georgia, but not the
other Georgia at all.

Speaker 7 (01:45:03):
Not the sorry, not the overseas Georgia. But yes, the
South Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Yes, yes, the whole day through the home.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
Of the fights at the waffle house.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
That's just an old sweet song.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Shouts to Marietta High School in Marietta, Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
The only person I know was born in Georgia. Oh
he was, Wow, take that and rewind it back.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
By the way, someone sent me a note.

Speaker 7 (01:45:21):
On his own Instagram page, Imovov lists himself as twenty
eight years old. So Bill free once again, once again
the backside of Miss Pelow time.

Speaker 8 (01:45:32):
While we're on random subjects, you were talking about the
best short notice fight earlier in anime, the chat put
in Dan Egay versus Diego Lopez.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
Okay, it was very good.

Speaker 7 (01:45:43):
Fine, Yeah, But like saying that that was like some
great fight to me is overstated.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
That's overset. H sure, but it was fine. It was fine.
It was totally fine, totally fine fine.

Speaker 5 (01:45:52):
Lewis Vitelli clit is the answer in boxing, Like, holy shit,
that seemed might watch that on the way home Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Okay, Flannels and JITs is back. Where's Daz when you
need him?

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Right? Who was a better mm A prospect? Cody Steele
or Cad Rules.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
Had a fight last weekend with one Championships and he
got that dominant submission.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
I don't know much about the first fellow Cody Steele did.

Speaker 7 (01:46:15):
He just he was the one that had the born
burner against uh yes, Jean Route.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
He came up empty.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Yeah he did. Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:46:22):
I mean he showed a chin and he showed a
willingness to strike terrible defense. Yeah, dude, it might be Carlo.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
I don't know, it might be I don't know anything
about the rest of his game.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Yea, so true, so true.

Speaker 7 (01:46:35):
But there's something about those guys does have a fire
and the dude they put you in in in quicksand
so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
I might I think we should get him back on
this part.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Both brothers are awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Let's jump on that all right.

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
Also also from AO p W underscore figures who had
the biggest promise in their career that just could not live.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Up to it. M punk in, MMA, are we going
to MA with this one?

Speaker 8 (01:47:08):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Like Cody Garbrandt, he did become I mean he touched it.
He got there. You're right, some guys never get there.

Speaker 8 (01:47:15):
What I was gonna say, speaking of Cody Garbrant, They
always talk about Chris Holdsworth out of Team Alpha Male,
like the best guy to come out of that gym,
but he never.

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
What do you think r I P of course, but
what do you think about Anthony Johnson who got pretty
damn far, got into an interim title fight, was great,
and and and it's tooper early.

Speaker 7 (01:47:35):
Answer has to be Gustafson. Gustafson had the two best
light heavyweights basically ever.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Yeah, but I don't think that that changes how we like.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
No, but dude, if it wasn't for them, he would
have been champions. He didn't max out, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
He gave everything in the Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Up against impossible odds.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
But he then he hit the wall and he got
washed quicker than the rest.

Speaker 7 (01:47:56):
At his peak, in any other era, he would have
been champion, Yes, but it just so happens that he
was around for d C and Jones and that that
did him in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
You could say Cole Conrad at heavyweight.

Speaker 7 (01:48:07):
You can even say, dude, you can say Kane Velasquez,
Kane Velasquez, let me tell you, in terms of what
people thought he was going to be, he was in
some failure.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
By any stretch.

Speaker 7 (01:48:15):
He was hello heavyweight champion, But dude, they were talking
about him running up the scoreboard on heavyweights for a
generation and that simply did not happen.

Speaker 8 (01:48:23):
Well, what about our boys a beat?

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
That's we don't want to like talk about it in
this in these terms. But yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean,
you know there's still time a and uh, I mean
there's there's levels to it, even on the super elite.
I wanted more from.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
Habib right in boxing?

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
Would it be Broner, Yeah, marr Con mar Khan even
though he won, you know, world titles like he in
the beginning, it looked like he could be like, you know,
Dala Hoya level. You know what I mean, Dala Hoya
how about you know, like a Hall of Famer, but
like a lot. He did a lot, but he could
have He could have done a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
By the way, dude, how much cocaine was he hiding
in his nos?

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Oh my god, I don't want to know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
Aldley Harrison, the UK Olympic gold medalist that became a
bad journeyman nineties heavyweight.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
That would probably be a big one too. You know,
for a while Tom Duken was wast Oh my heart, you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
You gotta get You're gonna kill me for saying this,
but honestly it's a little bit true. How about Mike Tyson. Yeah,
in terms of everything he could have been and what
he ended up being a is a fucking monster drop off.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Absolutely. Our final one comes from Hatezel, Hatezel. What Hazel Hazel,
Hazel Hazel?

Speaker 12 (01:49:33):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
What's your best mile time ever?

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Lit? Great question?

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
So I don't know what my best single mile time is.
Well I can't remember. I mean it's probably not great.
But what I can here because here's the thing. Here's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
This is why I can't say pure mile because my
pure mile time. Let me back up.

Speaker 7 (01:49:53):
The Marine Corps PFT is three miles. The fastest PFT
I ever ran was nineteen flat, so six minutes and
was it twenty seconds? Was essentially when I was averaging
per mile. I've never run independent of that. I never
ran a pure mile. You never had to do that
in school, No, no, no, But I didn't get in
good shape in school. I had to get in good
shape for the marine.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
I gotcha.

Speaker 7 (01:50:14):
I got So what I'm trying to say is, once
I got to that point, I actually never did a
pure single mile race. Yes, so the best I can
say is roughly six twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
I had some facid middle school ones where you're like twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
You're just walking.

Speaker 9 (01:50:24):
No, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
I don't think I ever did worse than like eight
or nine or something, but.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
I always did that. I always did like eight or nine,
just screwed around and didn't care.

Speaker 5 (01:50:31):
But in my late twenties, I was doing ten k's
a lot, and I was training for a marathon, and
there was a mile race and I signed up for it,
and I ran a five fifty six whoa, and like
my organs were.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Falling out at the finish line.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
It was the most pain I've to this day, the
most pain, even more than the best sectomy needle.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
The first one. Yeah, and the cramps in your guts.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
I've not felt pain like that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:50):
I thought I thought I had injured, injured in the
inside of my I mean, it's just you know, it's
just hitting the wall. But like I gave every ounce
because one of my high school teammates who used to
destroy me cross country, was in that race with me
and he was like, we were we were, uh, we're
you know, we're all competitive in everything, and we were
really pushing each other and I went for it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (01:51:08):
My son, though, Chris, who's a all state runner, he's
a junior in high school. I texted him this morning
and said, what's your best month of time?

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
He said four thirty five? Shit, So yeah, he's he's
he's he gets after. He's got some d two.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
Schools looking at him.

Speaker 7 (01:51:21):
Dude, I was gonna say, you know, it's kind of
funny when I ran that nineteen minutes for the three.
I'll never forget that morning.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
I was pissed off. It was it was at boot camp.
I was pissed off.

Speaker 7 (01:51:30):
I didn't know what. I forget why I was pissed off.
And I'll never forget this. I remember I had horrible
blisters on my feet. Yeah, and we had to run
the pft that day and I was like, man, this
is fucked and I'll never forget that. I remember thinking
that the faster and angrier I ran, the less my
feet hurt because they were just getting warm, you know,
what I'm saying. OK, So I was just leaning into

(01:51:51):
it as much as I could, just running, just running,
just running, And I'll never forget when we crossed the
finish line, they were like nineteen and the other stuff
I had had. I didn't get a first class PFT
that time, but I got hired than I thought I
was going to. And I was like, I don't ever
want to get those blisters on my feet again. But
I'd be lying if I said it didn't actually make
me run faster.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
I think that they did, so shout out to blisters.
What do you think you could do a five K
right now? I think my heart would pop like twenty
nine minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
No, I may do it.

Speaker 7 (01:52:18):
I could walk and go faster than that for fox sake,
but everyone, I can barely get a full breath.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
I mean, I'm wan, yeah, slowly dying.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
I mean, I really hope you make it because we
could still do things.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Basically game time decision. I don't know if I'm gonna
make it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Make it to the next pregame preview. Don't you go
dyeing on our final segment.

Speaker 5 (01:52:37):
By the way, and a quick reminder about these fan
segments Morning Combat at Gmail dot com for this Friday
and every Friday, we give you the chance with fan
subs and dead wrongs. If we said something wrong, you
can call us out on it hit that email. But
if you send a clear.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Picture of your Johnson, your submission will not be counted.
Mikey is watching it, but Mikey may may or may
not like it. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:52:59):
I scot with the for this final segment, and I
found on the Internet a lot of really weird videos
that I'm trying to get Luke to react to.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
It's called my Ship. Have you seen it at all?
Look if you and your wife were in a pool
hall and a guy came up and touched her buns
from behind, what would you do?

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
We would have some problems.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Okay, what would you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:23):
Do if your someone's at home right because he's hungry.
Watched this guy in the red shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
He looks like, oh, buddy, that's not gonna work. Hit
him with the bop gun. Wow, look at him, he's
just looking for trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Oh yeah, he kind of looks like me right from
the disk.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
That is not good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Hey, big week for fat falls, though, Luke. Let's bring
out the punch machine.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
How are ko one? How are people getting disfigured from.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
This ko one. Dude, look at that, I think, Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
You're gonna surgery for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
All right, let's head to the living room. They lived,
she lived.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
We've all been there, Luke, Dude, that's how Martin Bucolei fell.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Four million dollars later. That guy is, uh, that's how
Martin that if he just never fought again and took
that four million, lived.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Like a king and a congo dominating figure.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
My donista, I heard Madonna was in a really bad movie.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Dude, I'm telling you, I will text you about this.
Fucking traffic accidents in South America are so much worse
than you can.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Yeah, you ever take a cooking class? Yeah, well, listen
to this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
I remember when I was a kid growing up, my
friend Justin and I wanted to make a roller coaster,
so we started saving money by putting our lunch money
in a shoe box, and after about six months we
had a couple hundred dollars in there. But it turns
out that my friend Justin's sister's boyfriend had found the
shoe box and he stole the money to pay for
an abortion. Okay, this is looking just about ready. So

(01:55:12):
the first end to go in has already been cooking
for twelve facts.

Speaker 7 (01:55:16):
I've lost my appetite. I don't think that should happen
when you're showing spaghetti.

Speaker 5 (01:55:21):
That delivers so casual, like, oh yeah that time right,
I was y she used it for an abortion.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Hey, your haircut of the week is here.

Speaker 7 (01:55:32):
I tell you what, I tell you what if you're
gonna have dumb ass haircuts, I want you to have
the dumbest ass haircuts.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
And this gentleman is Fell's that's art.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Oh my god. All right, your billboard, I think of
the week. Let's see what we got here.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Big booty Latinas will not be deported. They can stand.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
It has been decided by.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
What you want to buy partisanship in this country, very
easy way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Well, let's hear from this marine.

Speaker 12 (01:56:02):
So people keep sending me this. I have to talk
about it because it's it's pretty good. So this a
packet from the Marine Corps Distance Learning program old school.
They give you package you go home and film out
and about financial aid, how to be a leader, stuff
like that. Really random Marine Corps institute. This might be
the most important one. I've ever seen the dangers and

(01:56:24):
concerns of matrimony with an exotic answer. Yeah, real, I
can't tell you the amount of devil dogs who need,
need will need the pay for such should have had
this information.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Okay, I'll have a story for you.

Speaker 12 (01:56:42):
Lives were changed because they didn't have this information.

Speaker 7 (01:56:45):
Okay, I don't know if it's real or not, but
it probably is. Let me just tell you your's how
bad of a problem this is in the Marine corpses
ready for this. I've been to two weddings where Marines
married strippers. I was a guest at the wedding called
the marine.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
What two of them active or retired?

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
They were both active and now they're both actively fucking divorced.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
The strippers were active at that time, they were active.

Speaker 7 (01:57:10):
I've been to two of them, two of them. That's
how bad of a problem it is. Yeah, I don't
know how.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
To transition out of that. But to give you your
MMA post fight promo of the week is here.

Speaker 10 (01:57:20):
Donald Trump one, I won the belt elon musks fixing
the government? What dain't a wire is fixing Facebook? Andentertained
his brother Tristan a free Patrick Bent. David told me
the future looks bright. So I'm gonna go in the
back right now, impregnant. All the ring girls, collect a

(01:57:43):
bag of cash and bounce with this belt exactly like
I'm not planning to do. My name is King David MMA,
and we're pregnants.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Back to Wow, what a post fight speech.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
Believe what post see? I don't know if they know this.

Speaker 7 (01:58:03):
You're allowed to have a personality beyond right wing figures, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
That y'all know that that interview is brought to you
by freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
Okay, that is freedom to make terrible decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Luke. If peeing your pants and MMA was cool, then
you would call me just tine kish. Watch this.

Speaker 5 (01:58:25):
It says fighter chokes the p out of her opponent.
I don't know if we're allowed to show this.

Speaker 7 (01:58:31):
Luke, but that is uh hell yeah, brother, we got
some squirters up. That's a new experience.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
This is so inappropriate. Rate this guy's mm A form
one to ten.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
Luke looks loose.

Speaker 7 (01:58:53):
Oh yeah, okay, that's those are that that's showed again,
showed again again. Watch this is every media figure at
the Saudi Fight Cards.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Ready, here we go. Hey, here's a ring magazine coverage
Here comes.

Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Actually like some of the guys at ring. But I'm sorry,
I'm gonna have some fun with it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
So okay, let's let's uh, let's watch this next one.
I don't know is this cannibal corpse? Look watch the
lead singer. Okay, all right, guys, you've you've had this?

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
This was me on last Monday show.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Yeah, pretty much. Sorry, Let's go to disney World.

Speaker 5 (01:59:36):
Let's hear from Grampsy Disney World.

Speaker 13 (01:59:41):
Where are you going before?

Speaker 8 (01:59:42):
Where are you going to the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:59:44):
Hell yeah, brother, hell yeah, brother, don't give af And
I'm telling you the older I get.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
It's just you. You want, you want, you want to.
You might get it.

Speaker 7 (01:59:53):
You might get an outdated opinion, but you're gonna get
a candid one. You start talking to old dudes.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
They will they will say the most honest ship just
to lair things up.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Like this guy, all right, just to clear some things up.

Speaker 8 (02:00:04):
I've been to jail twice and I've been to six
different scars.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
Two of those scars they put a catheter in my
dick home. Why is he in front of tugget that
clear things up?

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
I think he cleared the air on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
Luke Well I feel like I know more about this, gentleman.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
Let's go sail the Seven Seas together?

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Which is your favorite of the seven seas?

Speaker 14 (02:00:39):
The pussy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Me too?

Speaker 5 (02:00:43):
Remember when you tried to make me watch that vile
two girls one? You have her hair of two beds,
four guys.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
Whoa, there's two beds, four guys. Okay, all right, let's
let's head to the bike path.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
Wow. Wow, hell yeah, brother, hell yeah. That dog is like,
suck your life.

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
The police were called in that situation.

Speaker 1 (02:01:20):
What he had a right to do that?

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
All right?

Speaker 5 (02:01:22):
Watch this MC on the mic here closely. Wow, that
is a sodomy in some states.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
Luke, that's in. That's wow.

Speaker 5 (02:01:44):
Okay, let's close this great segment by getting very flatulent.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
God bless you works. Yeah we did, We did, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:02:01):
Sounded like a trumpet.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
You're just fark That's pretty good, right. Would your wife
not assault you if you yes?

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Yes, yes, I guess some people have that in the relationship.

Speaker 1 (02:02:22):
They can do.

Speaker 7 (02:02:22):
My wife grew up in fucking nineteen eighties Columbia. I'm
getting stabbed and ship like that. I think we are
we talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
Do you there should be an event for like skill farting, like,
do you think you can do a really long long.

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
I have been known to be in first chair at
the symphony on my ass.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Wow, well here's your biggest rival.

Speaker 11 (02:02:51):
Yeah yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
Yeah, dude, this guy has a medical.

Speaker 2 (02:03:10):
Is this Brazil?

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
Scott Talent, Argentinea? Nobody?

Speaker 12 (02:03:19):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Finally, Luke, I didn't tell you about this in advance,
by the way, but this should be our last show. Well,
this should be king. This next clip will assure that, Luke,
we have found video. Look at Martin, we have found
video of you inside the Joseph A. Banks c C
t V. Luke, that time the three flusher my stretch
marks are not I believe this is one of the

(02:03:55):
Poulter Caeist films.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
Luke, Oh that that's oh oh oh dude, what do
we watched the dude? Dude?

Speaker 2 (02:04:10):
Okay, oh no, we gets it goes, it goes to
other places after that, other places it goes.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
Okay, oh no, oh no, oh no, dude, what what
is wrong with you? Why would you do that? Then?

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
If that's the way we're going out, we went out
all right? Are you coming on or what?

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
I think I need a shower. I think I need
a shower having to watch Martin Bucoli have diarrhea.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
All right, that's all we got for today. That's the
ship of the week. My god, hope you saw it. Wow.
You always wonder is there a limit? Is there an end?

Speaker 1 (02:04:53):
Yes? How much is too much? I think we discovered
the answer today.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Uh, thank thank you. Long I'll look you have anything
to say?

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
Oh, here we go after that? Nothing though slightly breaking news,
not really sort of.

Speaker 4 (02:05:06):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:05:07):
Ilia Taporia told the news agency task Tass. It's a
Russian one. Ilia wants a championship fight. He will not
fight for the status of a contender with Saryukian or anyone.

Speaker 2 (02:05:17):
Else WHOA that's a demand.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
So it appears that it's it's the title fight or
bust here.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
That's like a Connor move to say something like that.
You know, we'll see if you draw the line.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
We'll see if it holds. But yeah, oh all.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
Right, sure are we gonna have a lot to talk
to you on talk about on Friday show?

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
Well, uh, we got Tank Davis. Tank Davis is the
big one.

Speaker 2 (02:05:38):
What do we have an mm A, oh that.

Speaker 8 (02:05:40):
That manel cop Sue Alma Bia.

Speaker 5 (02:05:42):
Dude, that main card is balls as in ball's bad. Yeah,
not a ball's bonanza, a deflated balls.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Yeah. Yeah, well the flate gate, the flight gate on
the old.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
No, there's names on the main card I've never heard of.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
Hold on, let's you know what. I want to pull
that up.

Speaker 8 (02:05:57):
So you said the coal mane is is the scary
part of that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
Kolmene is my favorite fight on the card, to be fair.

Speaker 7 (02:06:05):
So uh, let's see, we're talking about UFC Fight Night
two fifty three March first. Correct, Yes, but Nel Cop
taken on Asu Alamabayev, which is a good fight. That
is Comayane. Cody Brundage versus Julian Marquez. Wow, I like,
I like Cody, but I don't know if this is
a comain territory. Yeah, Nasaq hack Parass versus Esteban Rubovich.

Speaker 2 (02:06:26):
That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
That's not bad.

Speaker 7 (02:06:28):
Austin Lane versus Mario Pinto at featherweight, Hyder Ammial taken
on William Gomi's terrible, Danny Barlow taking on Sam Peterson.
We're now into the prelim card. Hikardo Homos taken on
Chepe Mariskall.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (02:06:41):
A jazzmine Jazz Division.

Speaker 7 (02:06:43):
First Team All Body, Douglas the Silva daon Rodge. Yes,
Douglas slvadaon Rodge versus taken on John Castin Jeda.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
Is this the new low point?

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
Hold on? Andrea Lee taking on JJ Aldrich. That's something
that's well, that's something.

Speaker 7 (02:06:56):
Danny Silva taking on Lucas Almeida neither has a Wikipedia entry.
Tanna Dee la Rosa versus Lauana Carolina come back in,
I'm back here. And then Charles Johnson taking on Ramazan
Kadirov Temov close enough, I guess yeah. That card is
real butt cheeks, real butt cheeks on that card.

Speaker 8 (02:07:18):
I feel like they could put the Charles Johnson fight
and the Chepe mariskallfight on the main card and swap
through those.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
I agree, Actually, Charles Johnson one probably should be on
the main card.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
Maybe it will be by the end.

Speaker 1 (02:07:28):
One never knows.

Speaker 5 (02:07:29):
You've got to stay tuned at Morning Combat. You can
follow us follow I'll follow you anywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
Luke, Well, that's the bathroom. There you go. Check out
our solo channels. I'm sure, Luke, you'll have some piping
hot content this week.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
I'm sure of it. I have tried. I have tried,
all right, what have you been noticing or something?

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
No, I'm just I'm giving you an opportunity to sell yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, we'll have some good stuff
this week for sure. All right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:52):
And yeah that was Long Island Luke you've heard earlier.
Thank you to him as well, and that all the
people in the back, I mean Ken, you know, Ken's
Ken's the best, right is he?

Speaker 1 (02:08:02):
Look look at look at look at that mischievous little smile.

Speaker 2 (02:08:05):
Yes for Ken and all of us. Uh, thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:08:09):
I gotta give a shout out. I forgot let's just
call it my pen two weeks ago. Yeah, let's call
it that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
Sure, and I forgot it here and Ken took he
put it away. And then when I came back, first thing.

Speaker 7 (02:08:22):
He goes, yo, you forgot this. And I said, Ken,
did you put your dirty ass lips on it? He
said he didn't, So I was like, okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
Well that went places, all right, that's the end of
the show and our careers. We'll see you later.

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