Crawford Makes History vs. Canelo | Netflix Boxing Grades + Noche UFC Recap - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Really really.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at us now, timpt.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Jesus, oh using will, it's.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Time to beg.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh yeah, you hear that sound, you get fired up.
It's Morning Combat back in your absolute face. Hoole here
on Monday September sixteenth, two thousand and twenty five, is
sixteen or fifteen?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's fifteen because it's my wedding anniversary.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Congratulations. How many years we had?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
We have been married thirteen years. We've been together sixteen
or seven.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'll tell you what. I've known you for a lot
of those years. These have been the best thirteen years. Hey,
Brian Campbell, that's Luke Thomas. We are both relatively fresh
off the bird from Las Vegas, and you better believe
today's episode of Morning Combat will be heavy on all
things Crawford Cannell Lowe. Notice you got to switch those
names now, nautche UFC and we'll take your DMS. We'll

(01:19):
pick through my she at Well, Luke, we're back. I
haven't been home yet in a week. But that's part
of you know, it's part of the grind.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's that's the deal, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I have to say this first and foremost. They didn't
get everything right this past week. And this giant Netflix
super fight. Terrence Crawford got it all right, but all
the parties got it right. For that main event on
Saturday night, being in that dome with seventy thousand plus,
I know it was kind of random to have half
of Tool come out for a.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Drum solo, but like, yeah, I didn't quite get that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Like that was the adrenaline was pumping. That was pretty
damn awesome. I have to I have to give them
that moment. It all built up to that. It took
a while to get there, but that main event moment
because they pushed. We were in the media, not on
the floor, we were way back, but we were in
the stadium and it was magical to be in there
for that.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I gotta say. I mean, this is why I don't
understand the UFC's reluctance to do stadium shows, because they're
a challenge. No one denies that they're not a challenge
and that they're different, and you wouldn't want to do
them very often. But to the point you raised, BC,
sometimes the big fights need the right atmosphere. Especially I'll
say this because Canelo's last fight was in Saudi Arabia
full of five thousand people. Yes, and it was such

(02:24):
a letdown. This did not feel like that at all,
but at least by the time the main event started.
So I gotta say, we'll talk about the broadcast, but
I am very glad they put it in Allegiance and
for the most part it looked beautiful, weird.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It didn't feel like a super huge fight week for
most of fight weeks. It did not until Friday. I
think a lot of that is that later ive in
Mexican crowd comes in Canel. You know, you gotta give
Canelo that credit. I mean, he's the superstarrie star. Yeah,
that dome was full. It wasn't all Kanelo fans. It
was about eighty five percent. It was you know, you
could hear the minority of Crawford fans, but like people
were jazzed up to be part of this sort of

(02:58):
cultural event. Ever big this fight will turn out to
be ratings wise and all that, and obviously legacy wise
for Crawford will get into that. It was monumental. But uh,
I do tip the cap to those involved, even if
some of those are our boy h and some of
the other.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Hey, did you see Rick Reno dressed like a pimp.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, you'll see him and have you seen this shit?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah? I mean you say nice things about him and
he seems to be a decent person. Does he think
he's cool?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't know. I ran into him. We had a
we had a weird half hour conversation. I get along
with Rick. I've known him, you know, if you're in
the boxing me.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Don't me wrong. He seems like a nice guy. We
don't have anything bad to say. But he seems to
think he's a pimp.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
No. I think he's just leaning heavily into the gimmick.
I think I've heard from people that Turkey loves the
whole gave him the versace nickname loves. So he's just
leaning aggress He.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Looks like a nine year old whose dad dressed him
for Halloween as a p Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I told him he's turned into like evil Bobby the
brain Heaton and he kind of laughed and was like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's the wrestling manager.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, who was evil to begin with. But whatever,
enough of that. Yes, LT you're did you you streamed
of I did.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I did a two hour stream for Notche which was
that main event. The card was fine, it was good
even but the main event was a hit of the
crack pipe. I gotta be hod.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
The main event was balls out of It was amazing,
So I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And we did a long broadcast obviously for the Canela
fight because that we'll talk about it later. That Netflix
card they had booked for what forty two rounds and
you got forty two fucking rounds, man, And then there's
all these other pieces that went into the production that
just made it. Here is my basic rule. Tell me
if you disagree.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Too much Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
No, a lot of watching board Mark Wahlberg, which I
did not enjoy. No, your main event needs to start
before the four even I would argue three hour Mark,
you are a start of your brother.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
One am Eastern Time's not ideal for the main event.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, well, you know, we'll get into all all of that.
Let's talk about the third member of our team here,
or maybe we'll even talk to him. He's a long
enthusiast of course, and a streamer himself, live and direct
from the under carriage of an Australian. It's uh, Luke,
no seed of the main card? Minut, Hey Luke, what up?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Boys? How was your weekend. Are we having stream issues?

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, it's something's buffer and back here we got the
engineers working on.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
But for and more like Michael or Bruce.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
It's definitely more of a Bruce Vivee back here by
the way.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Long on.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Look, did you see Bruce and gn Lord Silva go like, yes,
they were almost effing without without touching each other?

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Right, he did the same thing with his girlfriend before
he had Yeah, that was creepy. Can say a staredown?
Did you do their matching out outfits too?

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah? Did you can tell? He's a close talker at
parties and I don't like people like that.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
You know, That's how we warm up for every show.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Though.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
People don't know that about us. All right, They're like,
why don't you guys just bang? We almost did? All right?
Are people watching the show live right now? Are we
talking to ourselves?

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:41):
You know, things are happening. It's going in and out,
so it's it's live. But you know we're dealing with shit, guys.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's like your college years, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, exactly. I'm glad this started right when the show started.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
You know what I'm saying A lot like every network issue,
my own network issues.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh boy, maybe we'll just chill here for a minute. Hey,
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(06:19):
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Speaker 1 (06:26):
To be less than got to be less than ten?

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Okay, so you don't even think it's like four hundred
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Speaker 1 (07:23):
Did you pound one out in the hotel yesterday?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
This is what what do we Luckily we're having streaming issues.
But uh wow, okay, thank you Johnny sin Uh there
you go.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I think it's sins.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, any w j S when many met as it
kid is indeed awlong than Luke. Are we live yet?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Or are we?

Speaker 4 (07:43):
So?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I see? I see the brain trust out there. There's
great the people on the phone.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Where's Kennon Nader when we need them? All right? Yes, yes,
they are all right?

Speaker 1 (07:53):
All right?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Uh so I guess we're gonna just sit here and
uh and circle around the bowl for a minute. Uh, Luke,
did you have any travel issues or were you okay?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I had to I had to switch flights on Friday
due to some programming stuff. So then my flight home
was I didn't have a direct I had to have
a layover in Dallas. And there was a dude behind me,
like right behind me on the flight from Las Vegas.
You never do layovers, right, I hate layovers, but I
mean I'll do them when I have to, which I

(08:22):
had to in this case. So the flight from Las
Vegas to Dallas, there was a guy behind me and
he was like, are you Luke Thomas? And I was
like yes, but he he like bumped me, like like
tapped me right when you know, the stewardesses are doing
the like the dropping of the bag, and she actually goes,
excuse me, sir, and I'm like, yeah, she goes, she

(08:42):
didn't even say what. She goes, uh hum like this,
and I go and I look at it and I
go and.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
You're like, bitch.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
She's like we're talking, And I was like, lady, do
you think I didn't say this? But in my head
I was like, lady, do you think I give a
fuck if you live or die? Much less if you're talking.
I've been on eight thousand flights. I know what the
fuck to do in the event of an emergency. Shut
your mouth. Wow, I didn't say that. I was I
was very respectful. And then on the next flight home,
I'm waiting. We're the only flight at in National Airport. Yeah,

(09:15):
and we're waiting for the bags to come through. And
I finally pick up my bags and I'm leaving and
some guy taps me on the shoulder. He's got big
ass calliflower ears. He goes, love your work, bro, And
I was like, shit, what the fuck is happening here? Okay,
so we waited. I had to wait for my Uber.
This was like, this was easily two in the morning.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Your uber driver knew you.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
No. Uber driver also did not care if I lived
or died based on the where he was driving. But
we talked for a good long while. He was a
black belt out of like Stafford, Virginia, and he was
he was a good dude.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Does he know Ryan Uy Hall?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah he might. I mean I don't know. I mean, oh, no,
he knew another guy that we know shouts to a
high noon BJJ in virgin Alexandria, Virginia. I believe Tim
Dawson as the coach up there. He knew Tim Dawson,
So all right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
How come they're not called sense is in and.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Probably because it's Brazilian and they didn't import the tradition.
I don't know their traditions. They call them professor whatever
the Portuguese term is for.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Professor right because our boys chef cast from Las Vegas
is a professor vigilante.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And they called the schools academies. Yeah, they call them academies.
So I guess you ever, do you have to be
athletic to do caperra and I have trouble getting out
of bed?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I'm really lamenting
the fact that I have to bring this giant suitcase
on the subway with me.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Why didn't you just burn it? Just leave it here
and throw it away or burn it. There's nothing in
there of value, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
That used clothing in there, that's about it, very gently
used along island. Look, we're just you know, we're just
hanging right now. We're literally just floating in the ether.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
We're building a mystery McLachlin style.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
In the event that you did pound one out in
the Hotel.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
What would be to Wow Wow Disclosure, starring Demi More
and Michael Douglas.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
No, we want to just get started. I don't know
what we want to do here.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Yeah, I think we're good guys.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
All right, we're gonna have a show after all. There
we go, We're back at it. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
We'll give them a second to get ready to.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
To recaliber here. Let's get our let's get our professional
faces back on and put the camera on me. Topic
number one. Here we go. It happened in Las Vegas.
It was the super Fight. The undisputed super middleweight championship
on the line. Is Terrence Crawford moving up officially two
weight divisions three. If you want to go back just
two years ago when he unified welterweight titles against Aerol

(11:31):
Spence in a breakthrough performance, Well put that one in
the rear view, because we've got another one that's even bigger.
Terrence Crawford did the thing, a unanimous decision win over
Canelo Alvarez. It was on Netflix, the first Combat Sports
event inside Allegian Stadium. They had UFC working with Turkey
a lot to get into on this, and we will
systematically but Luke, we know Terrence Crawford scored the big victory,

(11:55):
becoming the first mailboxer to be undisputed now in three
weight divisions, just two weeks out from his thirty eighth birthday.
Beyond the context of Crawford's victory, what can we say
about why or how he was able to get the
job done, and what can we say about really what
it means to be able to get this when to

(12:17):
reach this significant milestone because he was so late getting
the flowers that we knew his greatness could produce, because
he was so late in his career to get these matchups.
But to now line up Spence, modr Mooth and Canello
five division champion, Dude, he is he is?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
He?

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Sorry? H E sorry turkg now him hyms dot com.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Terrence Crawford, bro, I don't know what the question was there?
Do you start that one over again? Wow? How did
we get here?

Speaker 6 (12:48):
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
How did he do it? When? You know, to get
all serious, the real narrative was the size difference. There
was no size difference, so it came down to skill.
How in your eyes, was Terrence Crawford able to pull
off something that I just didn't see it happening this easily.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, I do think there still was something of a
size difference in the sense that it looked to me
like Crawford's punches landed and had effect, but were not
especially pronounced at this weight class relative to the durability
of Canelo. It looked like he lost a little something
moving up in that sense. However, BC, he took whatever
punches that were scored pretty well. But the answer to

(13:25):
the question BC is I went. You know, I watched
it in real time, and I like doing those watch alongs,
but if I can be honest, I missed something along
the way. I can't quite absorb the fight in its
true sense as a consequence, so I've gone back and
rewatched it in preparation for some additional content. And dude,
this was This was magisterial from the parents, brilliant. I

(13:49):
think the first thing I want to say is number one,
the defensive effort from Bud was extraordinary in.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Close range for shots that Canelo normally lands, just shutting
down every door of opportunity.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So he got hit less in this fight than he
did in the Madramov fight, considerably so, and including in
ways where even if it was like a numerically the
same amount. It was demonstrably in terms of how they
moved him much less. But let's talk about the effort BC.
First of all, he comes out in South Paul. Why
was this so relevant because it would shut down the
jabhand of Canelo. Canelo not a huge jabber, but he

(14:24):
is a pretty consistent one. I went back and I
looked at the numbers BC for his fight with Burloga
versus this one. What is the most amount of jabs
Canelo landed in any round in this fight? The most?
He never got more than this, and in fact he
only got it once. What's the most? Nine three three
jabs is the most?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I meant, that's what a South Paul stance. If you
can control the terms, that's right. He had to go
to the right, to the body as essentially his job
just to stay punch numbers wise in that.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Fight, That's right. So that he was able to shut down,
or a bare minimum, very much minimize the jabhand. And
so as a consequence, you know that most of the
attacks are going to come either from that left hook
that he was ready for or that right hand, and
he had just the right defense. Every time you see
the lateral movement and the turning of Canelo. He never
got stuck in the corner, he never got stuck on

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the ropes. He was constantly How many times did you
see Canelo leave his feet to try and find Crawford
with a punch, because the guy's constantly circling out, which
of course is a function of many things, including but
not limited to lead outside foot position, which he was
very very good at maintaining. And then also be see
his ability to adapt on the fly. You'll notice a
lot of times what he tries to do is find

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an answer for that cook to the body, And at
first he would catch it and then shoot. But then
later he realized, I'm just going to catch and then
go with the left hand, which Canelo is not ready for,
and then follow up with the swivel jab on the
other side. So he's making They knew he was going
to go to it, they made him reach for it.
His positioning was perfect, his choice of stance was exactly ideal.

(15:59):
So his offense to me was not overwhelming. I don't
think you can look at this fight and say, wow,
he really beat the shit out of Canelo. No, he
out boxed Canelo, but his offense was potent enough, particularly
with those flurries boxing and combination. Again, Canelo can really
never get out of first or second year for the
most part. Dude, we use this word a lot, and

(16:22):
I feel like it's lost some of the value as
a consequence of its ubiquity. But this was a master class, Dude.
This was one guy with outrageous skill offensively and defensively
simply making another very good fighter look lesser than And
what I love.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
About it even more, I do agree it was a
master class. I do agree it was absolutely brilliant. But
he've met real opposition here, Like I'm actually a little
offended to how much people are sort of dumping on Canelo,
And we'll get a little bit deeper into Canelo after this.
But like Canelo like, well, the best he could against
a guy who came out in softpal never was forced

(16:59):
out of it, and you know, had success in the
middle rounds. You know what the most impressive thing here
for Crawford is that the middle round surge came from
Canelo where he started to figure out how to hit
him with the lead right hand, and he started to
actually figure out how to set up combinations that would
end with the right cross, and he connected on a
few of those and Bud went nowhere and Bud adjusted
out of that, and so it wasn't just butd out

(17:19):
boxed him. And by the way, it was crazy that
he looked the same size or bigger at times in
the ring with him, But it was that when it
was time to fight, Bud dug in and was out
fighting him. And a lot of that was it incredible
inside defense. A lot of that was the speed advantage,
so he could pick up on the right cross coming
encounter with that left hand. But I didn't necessarily know
he was going to stand in there, even though we

(17:40):
know he put on the added weight, even though he
did it systematically over two years, even though they've been
they said a lot coming into this fight, when we
knew at some point this fight would turn into a fight,
I could not believe how much Bud was able to
control the terms of that in fighting, you know what
I mean. Took the shots that he had to and
were able to turn around. And I know, sometimes when
one guy is just blowing you away at what he's doing,

(18:00):
it can be easy to feel like, you know, oh,
he must be winning ten rounds to two or something
he wasn't. This was a close fight. Canelo outlanded him
in six of the rounds. Like there was a lot
that made this close. I think entering the championship rounds,
a lot of us, including the three judges, had it
relatively close. But it was the way that Bud closed
the show in the championship rounds that left no doubt.
Did not open up the door for a backdoor robbery,

(18:22):
even though two of the judges had it seven rounds
to five and not everybody loved it. I had it
eight four, which is I predicted Connelo would win eight four.
Turns out, Bud did it on the flip, but to
meet Canelo's rally head on and then to close as
the stronger fighter, to the point where Canelo almost looked
not resigned with losing, but at the end it was
sort of like, what else could I have done? I'm

(18:43):
not sure what else he could have done. The most
incredible part of this, on top of all the history
Bud made, on top of how much he just blew
us away, was that he's two weeks out from his
thirty eighth birthday and he made this look easy. Look
is this actually the prime of Bud Crawford right now.
I mean, it's hard to say because when he was
in his quote unquote physical prime, he wasn't getting the

(19:03):
type of opponents that could really show us. But you
hear the great ones say that you need a great
one across from you to bring out your greatness. That's
why I don't want people to dunk on Canelo.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Here.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
He gave the best of what thirty five year old
Canelo could twenty years into his career, but that best
brought an even deeper level of greatness out of Bud. Basically,
a thirty eight year old Bud might be doing the
best work of his Hall of Fame career right now.
That's not crazy to say.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
It's not crazy to say, I think that I don't
know where he is physically in terms of his prime,
although as we mentioned, he was certainly ready for the
physical challenges at sixty eight. But I think what I
would say BC is maybe in terms of the technical challenge,
he's clearly a step ahead of his contemporaries. Like, dude,
you know what really blows my mind about Bud? He

(19:50):
got hit a few times. He did mentioned that this,
particularly in that round five that was the first, like
I thought, pretty decent round for Canelo, you know, although
I thought some of the early rounds were close to
the point where I thought Vegas could horror Bud, and
in fact that did happen a little bit along the way.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like Skipper Cup who was the on screen scorer, and
Dan Rayfield both had Canelo up for nothing, which I had.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh no, Skipper had uh Okay, I saw it like
some people had.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
It was a little while, but I guess doesn't not
speak to it was close early on it was.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
It was certainly it was certainly close and tactical. Upon review,
it's pretty clear to me that Bud won them. I
had up three to one at that point, but in
real time, dude, Canelo just has this way of snake
charming the judges, and I think there was something to
be said for that. Although by the time the twelfth
round finished, it was like, there's no question, did you
score it? Just so you know, I think I also
had it eight four as well for Bud, and maybbe
you know, I could even I'm saying I could even

(20:39):
go nine three if and there.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Could be eight fours and nine threes that look more dominant.
This was a competitive fight until it kind of wasn't.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Bivall beat Canelo nine three? And is that right?

Speaker 8 (20:51):
Even though visually we saw it, we saw I think
I had that one nine three and in part because
Bival did beat Canelo up a little bit on the
rope to them up, which is which is something that
you never really saw Bud do.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
One of the questions Sean Porter asked was could Bud
really back him up? There were times he could do it,
but Bud didn't win this fight by force Bud. Bud
basically meant Canelo. He made him go wide. Did you
notice that he had to go wide on the hooks
and then wide with the overhand, and he kind of
kept the inside space and then use that to flurry

(21:22):
back them up, score a hook and turn right, all
the things you would need to do, and it Canelo
to your point, I think right after round nine it
looked to me like I think Canelo had a decent
round ten or eleven, But basically after round nine he
just looked at that and was like, I don't have
any other answer.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I think ten was the only one I gave him
out of the final four. I definitely gave Bud the
last two as it all three judges, I think it
was really so. I think the fifth round was Canelo's
big comeback. Yes, but there was a moment in the
sixth where the back and forth exchanging in the middle
of ring started to happen. And if you notice, Crawford
land did a big punch, his biggest of the fight,
he followed it up with like an eight punch combination.

(21:59):
It was as if the window was there to go
for it, and even though it didn't lead to a knockdown,
didn't lead to a knockout. I wonder if the if
the psychological edge changed right there where Canelo was like,
I cannot back this guy up, I cannot keep this
guy off.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
But do there You know I love about watching Bud
Crawford fights, man is when you go through him a
second time or third time or whatever, is how many
little details you see. So one of the things that
really called my attention was where he puts his gloves.
There are times he'll cover half of his face, then
there's times that's a quarter face. Then there's times where
his hand fully covers his ear and he seems to

(22:33):
know exactly where he needs to put it, not just
because he's anticipating what Canelo is gonna throw, but because
he's also on the movie and he has to sort
of be reactive, he had precise details like that he
would wait for Canelo's overhand and step past it and
then pop him on the counter, which is like so
hard to do.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That one video that keeps going around of that duck
in left hand cruses he get this exact can just like,
holy shit.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I think Canelo was because dude, this was the other
part I've never I've seen Canelo reach a lot, but
I've never seen Canelo reach this much ineffectively where he
has to bring his back foot with him in order
to find the guy with his back with his back
arm and still missing as a consequence. So Bud was

(23:17):
able to kind of with that lead hand fighting. He's
establishing distance, he's shutting down the jab, he's helping himself turn,
and he's occupying the rhythm and changing the rhythm so
that he can't get started. And it made Canelo desperate,
which then Bud feasted on after that. This is what
to me, I know they're MMA fans, Listen if you
like only boxing, cool, if you like both MMA and boxing,

(23:38):
like we do cool.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
And if you like both and disgusting pornography like you,
then that.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
That's even better. That's the top that's that's the top tier.
But if you also just like boxing and MME is
not for you, I also get it like it's no
big deal. But the people who watch MMA and then
try to watch boxing through an MMA lens, I don't
know what to tell you. You sound a little dumb,
and either irrespective of that, you're actually missing the point.
There is very little in MMA. It happens, it can happen,

(24:06):
but the kind of specific details and the depth of
the technical ability in general and especially in this fight
far surpasses even what you can get at the highest
level of MMA because they don't have that level of skill.
They've got a wider skill set, but they don't have
a specific skill set to that degree and the little

(24:29):
tiny details. What I'm going to try and explain to you, donks,
is it calls upon something else within your fandom. Do
we love a hit of the crack pipe BC, Lord
knows we get Hunter Biden when Jayon Silva and Diego
Lopez are killing each other, freaking love it. But it
calls upon something different When you watch somebody who is
a fucking master craftsman. There is no equivalent in MMA

(24:52):
to Bud Crawford because there cannot be.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Sometimes there's technical thrillers, but then you know, people like
to like to think it didn't happen and was boring
as shit was the highest level of skill. I mean,
to be fair, that left cross tank hit. I'm sorry,
no tank that Bud hit on Canelo. That probably drops
or knocks out every other fighter, Anello's chin being that
absurd to move with that.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
We'll talk about Kellerman's broadcasting performance. But one thing he
definitely did get right was he was saying that punch
was destroying Eryl Spence where he was catching him with
his own left coming in off the jab, and it's
true and.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Destroy the flipside. When we talk about the little things,
I felt like in the first half of the fight,
Crawford was willing to give up the body to a
murderous body puncher. Now, to be fair, Crawford's movement didn't
allow Canelo to like really sit down and set up
the left hook. So when he really gets people hurt
and gets them out of there like he did to
Rocky Fielding, where he just brutalized the body. But I
almost felt like Crawford had to no sell any body

(25:45):
attack in order to be able to stay close enough
to get off his offense. And it was brilliant. He
had the high guard so locked up working from south bass,
so it took away Canelo's jab. As you mentioned, Canelo
really had to rely on either a lead right that
he would slip in up high, just tapping to the
body and almost using it as a jab. But anytime
Canelo did get off with the body shot but just

(26:06):
no soul did and kept flowing. Not every fighter's gonna
be able to do that either against somebody of Canelo's
power and ability right there across the board in every category,
but was like a ten out of ten on say, everywhere.
There was work to talk about the victory. Here's about
after the fight.

Speaker 9 (26:22):
To be honest, when I said my sight's on doing
something and I know what I'm capable of, it's not
like a surprise to me. It's a surprise to y'all
because y'all didn't believe me, you know. But for me,
I knew I could do it, and I believe that
I could do it. I just needed the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Terrence, When when did you know that you were gonna
beat him over here on your left.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
When he signed a contract.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
One your opinion on which means the most to you?
You became a five division world champion. You became the
third four division lineal champion with Mayweer.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
And Pac Yaw.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
You became a three time undisputed champion, the first ever
in the two, three or four belt era. And you
became the second undisputed champion in three way classes when
there was only one champion back in nineteen thirty eight
with Henry Armstrong. That's a lot of stuff. You hear that,

(27:24):
You hear that, Which do you think means the most?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
And all of it?

Speaker 9 (27:30):
It all goes hand in hand.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Can you describe what it all means to you to have?
If you just made like a whole resume of stuff tonight.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
It means it means a lot to me, because you know,
anybody can be a nobody, Like I said, you know,
and that's all they say, I've been fighting is nobody's
So what can they say?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Now?

Speaker 9 (27:50):
Somebody tell me?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
What can you say?

Speaker 10 (27:52):
Now?

Speaker 4 (27:53):
You can take congratulations?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's it? What can you say? Any words? Kent I
bet you did.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I just want to say, he beat Spence at age
thirty five and basically three quarters, and he beat Canello
three divisions higher, two week shy of thirty eight. That's insane, Like,
are you fucking kidding me? This is what we're talking about. So, Luke,
I almost feel like I have to apologize to Bud.
Look in the last two years trying to come with

(28:23):
to terms with how one sided the Spence victory was.
I have to say, as somebody who followed Spence's career
the entire way was a part of some of the
you know, showtime pay per views that let up to
his biggest fights, or the work I did on Fox
before that, I knew how good Spence was, even with
the accident, even with him being at an advanced agent
cutting down to forty seven. I just convinced myself that

(28:44):
a lot of that victory was Terrence's greatness, but a
certain percentage of it was Spence could no longer make
that way the accident. This the that I feel like
this Canlo performance erases that and just says Bud was
that much better than all the great welterweights of his
era because he fought an unbeaten Spence who had gone

(29:04):
through everyone. Do you feel that same way that it
almost successfully rewrites that history two years ago and shows
you that if he could do this against this Canelo
right now, three divisions higher, he could have done that
against anyone when he was on the wrong side of
the street in his prime, not getting the fights that
he deserve.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I will tell you I don't feel that way, but
because because I because what Bud did against Spence was
so remember the story, right, So we have the guy
here who did it. When we were working for Showtime
at the time, and I was used to doing previews
for them, like the breakdowns and whatnot, and they asked
me to do one for Spence and Crawford. But at

(29:42):
the time, Crawford had the majority of his fight library
with top Rank, who didn't give us a lot of
footage to use. So Bob so I know, well, I mean,
there wasn't I don't think they were being dicks. They
just they just didn't I don't know what happened. They
just didn't give us a lot. So I went back
to Showtime and I was like, hey, I can't really
make this work. They're like, right, well, you know they
didn't just do a Spence one. People were killing me
at the time. Why didn't you do a Bud preview?
We tried, we didn't. We couldn't get any footage. But anyway,

(30:04):
so I went into that fight having broken down the
Brook fight and the Algieri fight and the Porter yes
and then Ugas and everything, and I was like, man,
I know Budd is good, but like, man, the tape
on Spence is absurd. And then Bud.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Just the plays with him and took his best shots.
We forget about that. Spence landed in that fighter and
Bud walked through it.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
There was that one time he got dropped where Spence
came in with a huge overhand left and Bud had
to roll with it in order to land the counter.
So my point being is I was my eyes were
so wide open after that I didn't feel that way.
The only question was now we're two years later, now
we're three weight classes up. I mean, this is a
different kettle of fish. Until it just wasn't. Dude, Bud
is You know, Bud is the most talented boxer I've

(30:47):
seen since Mayweather. And you know, you can make an
argument and maybe we'll talk about it about whether he is
better than Mayweather, but at a bare minimum, that's the
most technically gifted boxer I've seen since then, and I
know it in my bones that that's true.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
As we get a little closer to talking about this
in historical context, let's listen to Canelo, who obviously fought
Floyd Mayweather when Floyd was thirty six, Canelo was twenty three,
and now at thirty five foughty nearly thirty eight year
old Bud Crawford. Here's Canelo comparing the two.

Speaker 11 (31:15):
In the world of comparisons that we live in right now.
If you can compare and contrast the fight between yourself
and Floyd Mayweather Junior and tonight's bout with Terrence Bud Crawford.

Speaker 10 (31:25):
If you can't, no, I think Crafford is way better
than than Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Wow, wow, way better, way better now to Floyd. To
be fair to Floyd, he obviously had hand problems in
his whole welter right run, and it's why he took
those that long stretch off in the two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine area. And
Flood's brilliance to be able to be just as great
in some ways of that age, like we're not We're
not here trying to dunk on Floyd, but this does

(31:52):
from the idea of is Bud the god of the era?
Max Cullum and said it afterwards. You know a lot
of us I've been saying it in print or on
CBS Sports HQ, like when you get a victory like this,
when you close all those career doesn't look to be
fully done. We'll talk about that. But when you when
you close your career with these type of wins, like
right now, straight up, Luke, you could say that there's
not a welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight, or maybe even super middleweight,

(32:18):
and I say maybe even just because could Benevidez come
back down and make sixty I don't know. But when
you could say over like a four division stretch and
say Bud cut down to any of these weights, that
there's not another guy in the world that can beat
you right now, that's Mayweather level. Okay, that's Mayweather level
right now. But in your eyes, is it fair to
make him the fighter of this era? So what does

(32:39):
that define to me? This is the post Mayweather Pacchio era,
meaning twenty fifteen, they fought each other that sort of
ended the era, even though both fought a couple times
more in some forms, right, we all thought it was
the Canelo era after that, But if we're really looking
at what this fight represented in terms of what's at
stake separate from the three undisputed championship opportunity, it was
kind of like two guys fighting for the era. This era, though,

(33:01):
to be fair, also has Naiowa in a way who
won on Sunday, and another big win as Alexander Usik,
who is has one of the most unique historic runs
of all time. Is it fair to say, first just
in the post Mayweather Pachio era that Bud secured on
Saturday Night, that he's the best of the last ten
years of this run right now?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think so? Now that's tough on Usick, but tough
on Usick for in a way to me, the strength
of schedule of Bud is better to the point where yes,
he's clearly out of in a way, the Usik one
is harder because he is Usik, is I mean, someone
was asking me, so what really is the difference between
Usick and Bud? Part of the issue, But tell me,
if you disagree. Now, he when he went through cruiserweight USIC,

(33:44):
he went through a very good crop.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
He went through like a historically deep section. They were
all unbeaten, and he beat them all in succession.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
But the problem is going from cruiserweight to heavyweight is
that while he's having to give up these enormous weight
advantages and he's beating these big figures, it loses something
because you know, for example, if he unified at bridger weight,
which would be in between, would anyone care? Would it
mean anything? Whereas with Bud you've got these story divisions

(34:10):
in between, so there's just much more material for him
to be able to use usefully in that.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's a very close debate either way.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yes, him and Usick. To me, that's the real debate.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, that is That is the real debate. But the
sexier thing now is to say because to me, before
the Mayweather Pachio era, it was the Roy Jones era,
and he was undoubtedly the best fighter.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I was the guy through through the.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Totality of the end of the nineties into those first
couple of years of the two thousands. So is it
fair even though Bud became a global star, even though
Bud got the matchups like, Look, seriously, if you ask
what are Bud's best wins, you're gonna mostly focus on
the last third of his career. The Sean Porter win
when he finally got an elite welterweight against him, you know, obviously,
the Spence Madromov and now Canelo run right here. Obviously,

(34:52):
it's not like he didn't beat anybody. He's a five
division champion, from Ricky Burns to Gambola, like Jeff Horne
was unbeaten when he took the metal from him, but
because it took him so late to get the type
of names on his resume that would even put him
in this category. And we're comparing him to Floyd and Manny,
who have such a firm hold of history of this

(35:12):
century and beyond, from Floyd's fifty to oh to being
the biggest star financially that we've ever seen, to Pacquiao
winning titles in eight divisions and oh, by the way,
he's still going. He just fought Barrio So forty six
and almost won another world title. So is it is
there any way we can possibly say that Bud has
eclipsed both of those in historical reverence, or is this

(35:33):
too much of a gray area, because it might be
one thing to say head to head at their well
toweight primes Bud versus Floyd. I don't know. I feel
like a lot of us might actually be picking Bud
right now. He's longer, he switches stands as he does.
You know, there's certain things, but what he achieved I
cannot put him above Mayweather or Pakia because he got
these opportunities so late, even though it's insanely impressible.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
It wasn't Pakyo like an eight division or nine.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
It was an eight division champion. And the run like Mayweather,
the run of Hall of famers that he beats along
the way is like in yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I mean, that's the problem with Bud's career, right. It
bloomed kind of late, and so where they stack up
all time relative to one another complicates the debate. What
I will say is I find Bud to be as
defensively sound as I've ever seen a fighter, and has
offense like body for days. It's just you can't believe

(36:21):
the different ways in which he can find you. He
can find you, that's the problem to do. There's nowhere
to hide with him. He can find you. It's really
he can find you backing up, he can find you
going forward, he can find you side to side like
that's a tough guy like Floyd.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
He has such control over the terms in there, it's
just insane. Let's hear Bud talk about, by the way,
the power, because it's not like he took nothing from Canelo,
and he took it very well. Here's Bud talking about
that power.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
By anybody that's strong before. I mean, hit harder in
a real fight, a.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
Real fight, Avenesian, I mean not Avenesian, but me, Machine
hit harder than Canelo to me.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Now, to be fair, he's all the folks about mean Machine.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
He just cavaliowskis Mean Machine, the Lithuanian welterweight. Uh he
I mean so if you say Bud's technically never been
knocked down, but he got knocked down by mean Machine.
The referee missed the call. He called it a slip,
it wasn't. That's crazy. Now, Mean Machine's a big, hulking,
muscular guy and was a hard puncher. Does that mean
that Canelo doesn't hit his hard or that Bud's swiveling

(37:25):
and all that weight class?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Fight me welterweight one four seven.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
And after getting knocked down, like a lot of Bud fights,
turned it into kick your ass mode, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah. And then the thing to me about that is
like how you felt at forty seven, and the relative
power advantage that Mean Machine had there punches doesn't mean
that like at sixty eight, Canelo doesn't hit harder. It
just means your body settled into a better also Bud style.
To me in that fight, because I didn't watch the
whole thing, but I went back on some highlights, he

(37:54):
was a little bit more open in that fight, a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I don't think he thought Mean Machine was going to
be anything and then maybe got a little yes, yes,
that's right, was not surprised here he I mean, look,
you got to give bull Mack, Brian McIntyre's trainer, so
much credit, Give Bud so much credit. This wasn't a
fight they stumbled into. It's almost the fight they built
two years to get to you.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I've had such a hard time with Bomack's genius because
I bought one of his I told you about this,
I bought his tutorial on the job. Yeah, I want
to be very clear, it's the worst tutorial I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Did he have the family sized Cheetos beggers that insistive
of me to bring that up.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
He does it with Jamel Herring and they talk about
the job. The explanations for what he's trying to show
are uniquely terrible. You would learn nothing the record.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Bullmack was a pro heavyweight, he was a journeyman. He
has a losing record. But like, I don't know how
much of this genius is Bud compared to that. We
you know, we've seen that before. We've seen certain great
elite fighters that have a trainer and suddenly the trainer
gets a lot of respect, and then the trainer coaches
others and doesn't go on to the same level. Bull
Maack does coach a lot of big name fighters, right,
And is he Keshon Davis's trainer as well.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm not sure I.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Believe he is, so I think he's you know that
video or not. You got to give them the flowers
in that respect. Here's a final thing on Bud here.
It's this whole Floyd comparison. This was a very I
thought classy response from Bud. You know, having his moment
at the post fight press conference when people are going
to bring up these obvious comparisons to the guys that
came before you.

Speaker 12 (39:15):
Everyone is going to start making comparisons with your legacy
to Floyd Mayweather. How do you feel you compare with
Floyd with the resume you have now?

Speaker 9 (39:25):
Listen, Floyd was the greatest in his air. I'm the
greatest in my era. It ain't no need to compare
me to Floyd or Florida me.

Speaker 12 (39:35):
Do you talk to talk and you sure walk the walk.
Your confidence and aura is on another level. Could we
see a run as a light heavyweight?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Nah?

Speaker 9 (39:45):
Now he ain't going out that much.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, So first of all, it should be us, you know,
people like us debating this this legacy stuff. I like that.
He's like, I'm not getting into this. I respect Floyd.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I agree separate that.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
To close on him is what is next? What could
be next? You heard him like laugh and say no,
not light heavyweight. They would also ask at the presser
would you fight Benavidez and Bomack was like no, and
then they're like, well, Turkey just tweeted what happens if
Benavidez could make sixty eight? And they were like noncommittal. Later,
when Bud went on the Sports Center, set with Stephen A. Smith.
He was asked about coming back, and at first, remember

(40:19):
in the ring, Bud told Max Colorman like, I don't know.
I gotta pray, I gotta talk to my family. I
don't know if I'm going to continue. Bud did seem
like he was willing to go to middleweight. Now there's
no names at middleweight, that's the issue. But he never
did win a title at one sixty. He has one
title at fifty four. Janebec, I mean, look, there's this Thomas.
This is a very weak time for it. Domas has
the belt, Jannebeck has a couple of belts, but this
is obviously a very weak time in that division's history.

(40:42):
Do you think it would make sense whether it was
cutting down to fifty four, which he said he won't
do again. He said he won't cut to fifty four.
But there are good names there. There's Virgil Ortiz, there's
Boots Ennis. What if somebody becomes an undisputed champion there
and he gets that, or what if he just says,
let's try to unify all these belts at sixty. Is
it worth it for him to come back at this point?
Do you think we'll see Bud Crawford, who doesn't seem

(41:02):
to be motivated, motivated by money. And Ockenbrock told me
that he made fifty million for this fight.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I don't know. I don't buy he made ten million,
even a little bit.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
So let's say he made fifty which is life generational,
life changing money. Will we see Terrence Crawford again?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Before the fight? I thought the answer was certainly yes,
because about a year ago, maybe not even I interviewed Bomack,
his trainer, and I asked Bomack, like, what happens if
you beat Canelo? He's like, yeah, We're done after that.
That's that's all we That's all we care about. That's
all we want. Once that's done, what's And he asked, like,
what's left after that? Who cares? And then they were
not exactly saying that on Saturday ABC. And I think

(41:40):
you know, one thing that Bud said was now I'm
the face of boxing. Now I'm the guy, which I
do believe to be true. He took it by force,
that's going to take it by force, took by force.
No one gave it to him, he took it by force.
So once that happens, a new world of possibilities opens.
So I'm gonna say, yes, I think you do. Now,
how far past this? It's got to be what two

(42:02):
or less fights? He's not going to be fighting till
he's forty. I just don't believe.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
If he can add a sixth division title, which only
Oscar de la Hoya and Manny Pacio have done. Pakia
is eight, Oscar has six and potentially go undisputed. If
there's that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
At sixty, I mean that would be that would be
absolutely fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
But I wonder h Okay, to close. I keep saying
to close, but to really close, a lot of people
online blaming Bob Aram and Top Rank for not maximizing
the opportunity. Now, to be fair to Bob Ring and
Bob Aram in Top Ring, what they said negatively about
Bud when there when their contract, when their union came
to an end a couple of years ago, they said, look,
we can't sell this guy. We paid him this money,
we put him in pay per views. It didn't sell. Now,

(42:42):
these pay per views were against after Mark at Kelbrook
and after Market a mere Cohn like there just wasn't
the names they got Sean Porter only because Al Hayman
and PBC seemed to be okay and allow that. Do
you look back and say that top rank missed it
or like, to be fair, Bud was not a starback then.
He didn't carry himself like a star. He wasn't a
good interview, he wasn't a great self promoter. He was

(43:03):
just a great fighter. Did they miss out on the
boat of still being a part of this ride and
getting him into those fights? Because, to be fair, even
though Floyd and Oscar came up and won titles under Bob,
both didn't really become commercially what they became until they
left him.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
To be fair, I mean, to your point, dal La
Hooya had to leave Bob.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
I mean, Dala Hoya was a star first, but the
trad of that fight was under Bob.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Like fine, but he eventually left him to do other
big things. Floyd definitely left Bob to become big things,
and sure enough so did Terrence. I mean, there seems
to be some kind of a common denominator here. The
thing that I come back to though, is like, at
the time Bob was making those calls, they did not
seem they did not seem particularly irrational to me. Bud
wasn't Bud back then and not the person you understand now.

(43:47):
It just didn't really happen. So could Bob have done
a better job. I'm sure that you can make the argument,
but it wasn't exactly clear who to do. I mean, listen,
I make this point all the time, dude. Think about
how much money the NFL, and in particular NFL teams
spend on talent scouting and the combine and who they're
gonna draft and what place they're gonna draft him, And
some guys don't get drafted to do Tom Brady? Did

(44:10):
anyone think Tom Brady was gonna be Tom Brady when
he got drafted? Whatever the fuck? I mean, borderline mister irrelevant?
When he got drafted, nobody knew. Some people don't work
well within the scouting talent star identification process.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, you and I are two of them.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, we don't fit the mold very easily, and I
mean forget us, but neither did.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But we don't have Cops agent because that guy is
on TV every minute.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I need an agent who can overlook the things I'm
bad at like his agent does. But Okay, the point
I'm trying to make is he didn't fit that. He
didn't fit that, So like it's gonna be hard to
break out. But clearly what we can all agree on
now is a lot was missed, and whoever's fault that is,
you can decide.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
We can all debate whether this union between UFC and
Turkey's gonna work, whether they can actually take over boxing,
whether we want them to alli act, blah blah blah
blah blah. I don't want to be in a situation
moving forward with someone as great as Bud is on
the wrong side of the street and misses the big
matchups in his prime, because somebody this great should have
the complete resume to prove that, even though his resume
is very good, but it's just it is what it is. Quickly,

(45:14):
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(45:35):
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Speaker 1 (45:55):
That's right, I'm looking forward.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Who do you want that chair? Who do you want
that chair?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Angela White?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
There we go, There it is again, There it is again.
All right, let's transition to topic number two. But where
you're going to stay in the boxing ring? Oh, let's
talk about Canelo. Let's talk about the biggest star of
this era taking the baton from Floyd Mayweather without question.
Some boxing fans, online observers, they want to argue that
Canelo took this loss to Terrence Crawford professionally but possibly

(46:20):
too willingly. Luke, do you agree with this and if so,
what does that mean for Canelo's future? Did the years
of lesser opponents and you'd been a big advocate for
pointing that out. I've been saying he's been coasting. We've
all been saying it. Mongia Burlonga. You know these type
of matchmaking, even Jamel Charlow who didn't come to play
in their big moment, did that lead up to this

(46:43):
catching up with Canelo? Do you feel Canelo was too
willing to accept defeat even though he put his hand
up after the bell and the twelfth round, and people
criticized him it was a closer fight than maybe your
eyes tell you it was a competitive fight until it wasn't.
But what do you make of how we should be
looking at Canelo coming off of this defeat?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
To me, this was proof of what we've kind of known.
People are like, oh, the reason why he performed lesser
than in this fight is because he's been taking lesser
than fights and that dulled the sharpness of his blade.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yet he has been consistent in fighting. I don't buy
that in a couple of years and looks tremendous, which
is rare.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I don't buy that theory. My theory is he took
those lesser than fights because he had a keen self
awareness of his own decline. Because the reality, the reality
is he not only took these bullshit ass fights. Remember
he expressly dodged and ducked David Benavidez. I have no
sympathy for that. Well, it's not about having sympathy. It's

(47:45):
like it's like he didn't get lesser than because he
didn't take. In other words, in a different world where
he fights Benavidez and he fights these other tougher guys,
he would still be sharper as a consequence. And I
just don't believe that. I think he knew he was
on the out dude, Like the very It's the same
with John Jones. The very best fighters, the very best athletes,

(48:06):
the really really good ones, they know their body and
they know their level and they know what they're capable of.
And to me, they were both trying, in John's case
as well as Canelo's case, they were trying to manage decline, which,
as you understand, is fine except when they hold the belts.
In both cases, that was the problem. And in fact,
we're gonna talk about this because people were asking, like,
what's next for Canelo? It might be Jake Paul. It

(48:30):
might be Jake Paul, but he doesn't have a belt,
so it's like, who's he holding up? He's not holding
up anything at this point. But getting back to Canelo,
this was to me, when he could no longer hide
that he has been in decline. It's not a huge decline,
but falling off a cliff, right.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I don't think he lost because he was old, like
I don't think he was struggling a little bit in
the Championship Rowns stamina wise, I just think he couldn't
figure him out.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Right, So the stamina, to me, he looked to be
in better shape in this one than I saw him
in the Mungie fight, for example, I thought he was
in much and even the Burlonga one, I thought he
was in better shape. But the reality is, we see
this was an opponent he could not you know, he
could not how do there was he could camouflage his

(49:17):
decline against a Berlonga who he could knock down early
and then you know, kind of just do better than
the rest of the way. But is not that guy.
You can't do that to him. It simply doesn't work.
And so to me, what got revealed is something that's
been there for a while that he has been trying
to hide from the public.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
No more hiding, no more hiding at all. Let's hear
from Canelo talking about exactly how difficult it was to
deal with Terrence Crawford in this fight.

Speaker 10 (49:46):
We knew was he's a great fighter, and and I
did what I supposed to do, right. I tried for
every way and I turned really hard and he deserved
all the credit. No, I try, I try my best tonight,

(50:06):
and I just can't no figure out the style.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Was it something specific the movement or his speed or
power or what? Was there something you could put your
finger on that gave you.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
The most trouble?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Everything?

Speaker 10 (50:21):
Everything, okay, he.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Have everything, and just.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
One more Canelo. It has been I can't even know
the number of years it's been since you've been without
a world title. Even after you lost to Dimitri BiVO,
you still were the super middleweight champion. It's been probably
ten years or whatever since you haven't had a title.
Has it sunk in yet that for the first time
and all that time, you're not a world champion?

Speaker 10 (50:46):
Can you repeat the question, Bliss.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Just that it's been so many years since you have
not been a world champion, and so it's as it
sunk in yet that for the first time in forever,
you're not a world champion.

Speaker 10 (50:58):
No, I feel a champion, No matter what you know,
I I win no matter what, No matter what, then
I still fill a champion. So it is what it is.
You you need to take a loss. And and I
said everything and and but I'm gonna continue. I'm not

(51:18):
continue to do it, dude.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I gotta give him credit. I don't know if people
wanted him to like argue that he thought he won
felt like a little delusional.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
You know, I thought he took it well. Actually, I mean,
did he take it all raging and saying and delusional shit.
Maybe that would be more appealing to some people. It
wasn't more appealing to me. He was like, you know what, dude,
holy fuck, I just do sometimes you you know, like when.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
He lost to Bevall, he still was saying, I want
to rematch. I want to show you because maybe part
of him thought, because that was during the era he
had the injured wrist and he couldn't train, well, maybe
there was part of him I thought, give me another chance,
I'll do it. This was him realizing I just got
straight up handled. I got beat. I didn't think I
was gonna get beat. I got beat. But for him
to say I'm gonna keep fighting, I respect that. The
Benevida's thing. I guess does that cloud go away that

(52:03):
we held that against him, because I don't think he's
going to seek that fight. I think Jake Paul is
a perfect option for him to make money and get
an easy one. I'm wondering if it's going to be
instead Turkey overpaying him to fight Hamsas Charras or Chris
U Bank if yeah, maybe the U Bank one England
Stadium for that.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, like that seems possible. Now again, there's no titles involved.
He can go and jump around and take whatever he
wants and you can decide if you like that fight
or not. But he's not holding anything up. He's not
you know, there's he's not avoiding any mandatory anymore.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Heaweight anymore. I don't think it's not the motor the
order is going down with.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I don't think it's a good idea. And I do
that again. I think he got in really good shape
for this fight. I just don't know how much he
can do that every fight here at that's.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Probably the realization of I did the best I could
at this fight in this perme of my career.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Dude, at some point, like can you imagine like you
tried your absolute best it wasn't enough. Are you supposed
to feel bad about yourself? You can feel bad about
the circumstances, you can feel bad about the result. But like, dude,
it sounds simple, but it's what we teach our kids.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I don't get that.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
If you give everything you have, why, like, what else
was there to do? You did what you could?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
What's with this automatic just dunking on him? Of he
you know from people saying he was never that, he
was never the pomp for pond number one. He was
just the most popular fighter. No, he didn't beat killers
at super Middleway. Well, he beat all the unbeaten champions,
you know what I mean, except for Benavitez, of course,
and he did it quickly, right, And I mean there's
I don't know. He fought three to four times a
year in his most recent prime, right, the one sixty

(53:27):
eight prime, like he was great? Did he lose now
three times against I mean, look, we all thought he
lost at least once.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Against Triplet, right, I thought he lost the first one, so.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
I thought he lost both, to be fair. But the
four fighters he fought that were better than him, he
lost to them. He's still in all time grades, still
in conversation for the best in Mexican history. I'm still
going to keep fighting. But he met his match here.
It came against a smaller fighter. But again, this was
not a small That's the craziest thing to me, Like,
it's not that we didn't know Bud was an inch

(53:58):
taller with four inches longer arms, but because he put
on the waight incrementally, and because inactivity doesn't seem to
affect sometimes the great ones, right like you know, Ray
Leonard coming back after three and a half years to
beat Hagler. It's just wild. And by the way, the
Hagler comparison, Hagler is considered sort of like the best
switch hitter of all time.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
M hmm. It might be Bud, but isn't even switching.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
He's just going to South Paul out of nowhere and
closing the fight out. And then in this case it
was twelve full rounds of south paw and is somehow
even better in some cases.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Than he is. Id amazing that his two best wins
came out of southpaw Spence spenc and Canelo. That's wild, dude.
And again people are like, oh, but he can be
you know, because you can make the argument, Well, maybe
he's better out of Southpaw. Yes, I mean, clearly he's
very adept at it. But I just want to point
out that's not his natural stance or whatever else you
want to say. He is normally, or at least the
way he is if you ask him, you know, what

(54:49):
is your conventional stance, it is in fact right handed,
you know.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah. But notice no talk about rematch, which is a
good thing. We don't need to rematch. Ye, Canello doesn't
want to rematch.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Figure. It was like, you know, you always have to
ask yourself when the fight's over, is they're gonna be
public demand for it? I don't think there's a lot
of public demand for it, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
And that's the only problem with Bud moving forward is
there's no obvious next name unless they wanted to do
something crazy with Canelo.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Was the we talked about a pre fight. Canelo was
the win where he made the boxing establishment say I'm him. Yep,
they made he made him. They excuse me, he made
them do it. But now that you've done it, it's like,
how do you top this? There might be some ways,
but it's not so clear. Whereas for whereas for Canelo, dude,

(55:32):
I mean this frees him up. You want to go
fight you Bank in London, Go do it. You want
to go fight Jake Paul and fucking wherever, go do
it like you can just go do whatever the fuck
you want now.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, I saw Nat Tony ferguson Na Diez tweeted Terrence
Crawford with a target.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Terrence Crawford, I mean, we all love nat wants his
chance now too. We all love Nabi. What'd you think
about Bud's walkout, by the way with the guitar?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
So it was kind of bad. I'm over the non
Mexican fighters put on the Mexican gimmick, like you know,
like with Floyd where the sombrero some and then now
eighteen people have done that after him. But to then
find out about Taporia. But then to find out the
press conference that Terrence didn't know that was Taporia's song.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yes, so it was sort of an It was from
the Desperado movie right were on the poster Antonio benderis
by the way of Spanish now Mexican. I know the
movie's but he has the guitar.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
It was badass. The tool thing. While while weird timed
was also mad as to me, the long gap between
the comane and main event when it's already one am
was not fun. But let's get into that because that
is topic number three. It's looking at this event in general.
We can't act like it wasn't a massive super fight.
You had Netflix at the table. We're all interested in
seeing the ratings here of how many people were watching
live or if they stayed up for it. But I've

(56:43):
heard so many casuals knowing about this fight, watching this fight,
being impressed by Terrence Crawford in this fight. This was
also the first TKO backed boxing event. You saw Dana
White ringside, whether it looked like he was happy to
be there or not. The stakeholders of Saudi Arabia were
in place. In fact, uh Luke, we can take a
quick look at the at the uh still photo here

(57:04):
if you will, Luke Thomas of Turkey shadow Boxing Jason Statham.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
For is this the weirdest fucking group.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
That nightmare blunt rotation is?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, I mean the most nightmare blunt rotation. I mean, okay,
if you had to smoke weed with one of them,
it's Jason Statham, right.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
No doubt about it, right, I don't even know if
has got to be mister Beast might be a part
robotom lizard.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
At the same time, mister mister Beast and Turkey to
me is I'm not like, I don't know, just just
to know, you.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Don't think mister Beast would be like, hit this blunt
X amount of times and I'll give you X amount
of money.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, he's ready to play squid games with the MK.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
There, let's just hold let leave us leave this picture
off for a second. Do I have anything to report? No?
Was there a lot of rumor mongering in Vegas on
fight week that Dana and Turkey are beefing. Yes, there
was that awkward moment at the end of the press conference. Yes,
there there was a ton of rumor mongering that these

(58:03):
two can't stand each other.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Let's get into the overall picture here. I want you
to grade the performance of this first event because there
was a lot of expectations. There was a lot of
pressure on UFC to maybe reinvent the wheel, to be
fair right, and I know it didn't seem like everything
UFC wanted to do was executed. There seemed to be
a lot of Turkey influence in here. I don't know
the inside story. I don't know how all those relationships work.

(58:25):
But what do you think went right with the broadcast?
What did you not like? How would you grade overall
the appearance, the feel, the length, everything that went into
UFC's full on jump into the Deep end debut in boxing.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I think that there were many, many positives. I also
think there's a lot to work on. Now let me
say this. I talked to some folks who were, you know,
had some understanding of how this broadcast worked. And my
understanding is they wanted to do a certain kind of stuff,
but dude, the Saudi influence where they're like, well, now
we need to enter this part into the broadcast, and

(59:02):
I want this guy shown on the broadcast, and I
want this production element introduced into the broadcast. My understanding
is there was a lot of that and it lengthened
the broadcast to an absurd degree. First of all, unless
you know you've got like Pitbull Cruise on the main card,
three fights on the main card, four fights, dude, it
should be a law. Okay, if your broadcast starts at

(59:23):
X time, your main event must start not at three
and a half four.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I want to counter that if you're doing a fight
on Netflix, which means you are aggressively railing in the
casual visual fan.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
You cannot offer fights before that that are not bangers
or some like this is the next biggest, Like if
cermel Moton was on there in like a four rounder
against nobody, even that would be like, here's the next
big thing. Yes, So you got to give credit obviously
for Christian Mabiley and Lester Martinez fought. There are balls off,
great fight and that was great. But to open this
card with a twenty one year old Saudi prospect who's

(59:56):
like a four round guy, has one KO and five fights,
and you put him in a ten round fight against
a guy who's gonna quit boxing in two weeks and
go join the army.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Like, what are we doing? Dude, There's no way they
put that fight on the beginning of Netflix broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
You're turning people away that are like, oh shit, Canela
what he did?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I don't know this for a fact. I would bet
everything I owned that Turkey made them do that. I
bet everything I owned Turkey made them do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
And even though I didn't argue against Dani's choice of
pushing Callum Walsh into that coman.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
That was fine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
It just turned out that the fight sucked and they
both really weren't ready.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
For the which is fine. He you know, like they
could have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It was well matched, it was well marketed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I didn't care about that part. It didn't work, but whatever,
So listen. The length of the broadcast was a problem.
What what the fuck they were doing with Tool without Maynard?
I don't I don't know what the fuck that was.
That was kind of weird. I will say that I
loved the walkouts, and dude, the quality of the Netflix
picture on your screen is so fucking high. It looked

(01:00:55):
literally on my TV, it literally looked beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Let me let me, let me add on to that,
the in arena production of the lights, the colors. When
Bud came out, there were lights that made it look
like there was an American flag across the crowd. When
Canelo came out, you had the colors of the Mexican flag.
That was the most impressive in stadium because look, we
always say the ten minutes before.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
The radium boxing matches. Have you been to besides this one?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I've been to Spensugas, CA. And I've not been in
another one. But you know you've seen it on TV.
And I'm saying from when I say stadium, I mean
I didn't specifically mean stadiums or domes. I basically met
the in arena experience that I've ever seen in boxing.
This was that times a thousand. So they always say
the most exciting time in boxing or the ten minutes
before the bell rings for the main event, the walkouts,

(01:01:40):
and that's true. You know, the anxiety, the feeling everyone's
on their feet. Dude, the mariachi jam bands that were
playing the enter. This was a ten out of a tent.
So that's a credit to Netflix, to UFC and ZUFO
Boxing's production team. Like that was tremendous. Yes, I totally
agree with the Netflix signs around the ring and I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Just say that big ring apron where they've got the
Netflix stuff, and then in the ring posts itself, I
love that. Bring that back every single time it pushes
the crowd back a little bit further. So, fucking what
that is such a cool thing that they add to
the broadcast. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Part of why we assume there was a deeper power
play going on is because what have we heard Dana
say forever about the things he hates about boxing, the
length of the cards, the podcast between you know fights,
all that. I seeing Dana looking so unhappy at ringside
for the majority of this event without knowing what really
went on, I have to believe that there were elements

(01:02:36):
of this broadcast that he wasn't able to carry out
to what he expected.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
There's no doubt in my mind that there's a broadcast
that they wanted to do, and then there's the broadcast
that they had to do, and as a consequence, it
was way, way, way too long. Also, I will say this,
when you've got a main event that's going to cost
one hundred and fifty to two hundred million, you know
that is going to limit who else you can put

(01:03:01):
on the card. But as a general rule, I would
like to see at least one other a bout of
I mean, I guess you could say the Mbilli Martinez
fight was a real significance, But you know, between that
and then the main event, excuse me, the co main
event not working, and then the opening about being a
complete waste of everyone's time. You know, again, three fights
on the main card if what you care about is

(01:03:22):
the casual audience, and to the extent possible because sometimes
sometimes we see the main event fighters or the A
sides have a say in the timing of the event.
I don't know if that was in play in this one,
but it can happen. But to the extent possible. You got,
It's not just what's the distance between the start time
of the broadcast and the main event. The main event
needs to start, in my opinion inboxing, no later than

(01:03:45):
eleven thirty pm East Coast time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
With you, I wonder if, like, did Canelo control certain
terms of when he can come out? I mean, it
looked like he was at odds too with the operation.
Remember he was arguing with Max Kullerman earlier in the ranking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
That's true. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
It's hard to say, but maybe we'll From a ZUFA
boxing standpoint, I'm sure it's going to be hard to
judge their true impact, innovations, all of that until we
see their series that Dana says is coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
That's right. I mean I would say this, are there
a bunch of positives to build off of totally? Did
everything work? Absolutely not, But hardly any disaster, hardly any
kind of failure. It's just this has got it dude,
if you're Dana White and you've been talking so much
shit about how boxing broadcasts have all these unnecessary elements,

(01:04:28):
and he's right. I agree with him. You have to
do something different. They didn't this time. Let's see if
they do going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Knowing that these Netflix events, these fights on Netflix, whether
it's Katie Taylor and Serrano, Jake Paul and Mike Tyson
and now this, they're purposely made to it to bring
in the casual audience. So are you okay with the
over abundance of celebrity interviews of celebrity's position next to
turkey at ringside? They're sort of rotating. It's like, yo, oh,
there's Mark Wahlberg, there's this is that sort of the

(01:04:56):
equivalent of like a super Bowl has all these other
gimmicks to keep the housewives and you know engaged. Is
a very generic way of saying it, but like stereotypical
way of saying it. But do you think that's okay
for these type of super Bowl type?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I think for these kinds of events it is, because
if you're really reaching the casual audience, that means you're
probably gonna have a lot more women than you ordinarily
would you might have a different kinds of demographics in
terms of age or income. Who knows, and just sort
of like, you know, running the gamut to see who's here.
At Tracy Morgan's here, people still give a fuck, you know,
but you know, whoever's there. I don't mind that. But like,
here's the things that they were wasting, like Turkey talking

(01:05:29):
to Max Kellerman about Saudi Arabia. I got it, gotta
tell you, Okay, here's how often I want to hear
from Turkey during any broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I know, not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I mean, Turkey, nobody wants to hear from you, Nobody, nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I think the problem is because he's him and his
nation are paying for it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
People in boxing were so quick from day one to
induct him into the Nevada Boxing Hall of Fame and
give him his flowers that now it's he feels he's
bigger than it all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
But it's not just him. So for example, before the
main event, I didn't think they did a bad job,
but they go to Mario Lopez and Antonio Tarvar and
I think Kregel and then cop and they like, let's
get your main event picks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And I'm like let's not it's one am. Let's get
to the need to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Hear what the fuck Mark Kriegel is or Mike Coppinger
or who any of them. I love Antonio, but I
just don't care. I want to fucking see the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I love Markregel by the way, really really great guy
if you get to know him outside of it. There
were a lot of critiques about certain elements. Look, I
love the trio of Max Kellerman, andre Ward and John Annick,
but Luke H. Kellerman received a lot of criticism. Some
of it was Fight week, some of it was Fight Night.
Even though it was great to hear Max back in

(01:06:38):
his element doing what he loves, the amount of propaganda
from him was out. Can we put that up one
more time? I don't think Luke saw it because Luke's a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I'm finding a photo of Max Kellerman. I'm not blowing
off the show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Is it justified in totality from the broadcast to where
people criticize Max for the way he asked questions post
fight interviews, say what you will. As much as it
was great to have him back hosting those ring live shows,
doing a lot of stuff, I don't know how to
fully explain or understand why the ass kissing slash. You know,

(01:07:17):
if Turkey wasn't born, none of us would be here
type thing was so damn outrageous, over the top.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
How do you even I got a picture of Max
talking about like all they just doing a bunch of shilling,
and you might be saying, well, how can you really
tell you know what that means for Max by a picture?
But here here's the picture, and I feel like it's
pretty good, right, This is y This is Max Kellerman
talking about Max is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
The reason why I felt being a talking head in
boxing was ever gonna be possible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
That's exactly what This is the best So this was
This was to me, the most dispiriting part about this
was number one. Early in the broadcast, when I was
listening to Max, I was like, wow, he sounds like
the same old Max, Like this is great. And then
again you do the live show and you miss a
lot of the cometary, which is where I think later
on in the card is where most of the stuff
he said became objectionable. But the issue for me is

(01:08:08):
he didn't do this in his HBO boxing days.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
No, he's the opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
He was the opposite dude. When it was HBO, it
was him, Lampley and Roy Jones. I remember as an
MMA fan watching these broadcasts and listening to Max and
Jim in particular kill the promoter for any kind of
malfeasance or you know, saying stupid stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
And you can't do that in the modern days. That
was a sort of a special HBO box.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Fine, fine, you don't have to, But like, how many
times did Max mention the BMF belt? Max, what the
fuck are we doing, dude? Nobody needs you. Guys complain
about the alphabet system in boxing with good reason and
now you want to introduce a fucking BMF belt in boxing?
What are we talking about here? This is absurd. More
to the point, BC, Aside from that, I thought that Jim,

(01:08:55):
excuse me, I thought that John Annick actually did a
very good job. Let me ask you this though, What
did you make of the criticism of boxing fans, which was, hey,
John actually sounds pretty good, But they would argue he
just sounds like the voice of the UFC. I understand.
I didn't feel that way. I mean, I agree he
is the voice of the UFC in that sense, but

(01:09:15):
like I didn't feel like it was an impediment because
I thought he gelled really well with them right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Also, if you don't know John's history, he came up
in boxing. He hosted a boxing radio show. He was
at all the pay per views in Vegas for that show.
He called boxing championship fights on ESPN before he completely
made the switch to MMA and then got hired by UFC. Also,
I thought he really controlled traffic and performed very well
considering the first time this trios together, first time Kellerman

(01:09:41):
was calling fights in seven years. So all in all,
I mean even people were ripping that one moment where
they put the live camera on the ringside and John's like, hey,
Andre and Max, you can talk to me, And people
are like thinking there's some fighting going on. Due that's
just John is working with largely UFC production people. Those
guys are not used to this broadcast. He's just letting
them know, like hey.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
He knows all the producers around him on set there
as well. But getting back to Kellerman a little bit,
I also felt like he was a little rusty, So
I'm gonna give him partially the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I don't want to kill him for the post by
injuries A lot of people thought he was well he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Was a little bit. Yes, well he So what he
does is he gets he asks a question, he gets
an answer. He does two things. One he kind of
waits a long time before he gets to the next question,
which I don't mind. But he did it a little long,
but that's not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
So well, a million people in the ring. Do you see
bull neck at that point? Yell at the cameras, go
get away.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
For it was like when I saw a Wu Tang
clan in concert. They were a hundred keys people the
way I know you can tell it wasn't a Daniel
Widemann for that reason. But the other part to MEBC
was the preamble he would go into in these questions,
being like, Bud, we all know you have fucked every
guy's wife in here. How does it feel to be
the chief whif fucker? Let's talk about all the ways

(01:10:55):
in which you have fucked their wives. Also your reaction
to winning tonight, It's like, what is up with this
fucking amble that we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
You got a lot of opinions online. Here's the keis
of Bederian of MVP, who also has done some work
on Netflix. Has another great Netflix production and broadcast team.
John Anick was amazing, andre.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Wardo was as usual.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Only out of the was Max Kellerman saying the same
scripted narrative one hundred and eight times.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Did you go back and listen to the broadcast?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I actually was listening to the broadcast from press row
for every fight except for the main event, because I
wanted to not be distracted and be completely dialed. So,
just to be fair, you never know where you're going
to be seated as a boxing press eight person anymore,
you know it automatically was always ringside for years. Then
in recent years they started to follow more of the
Eddie Hearn European trend. In Europe they put the media

(01:11:40):
up in the upper deck, in the crowd with no workspace.
They've been starting to move obviously, the American media at
these fights, even in Vegas, out deeper on the floor,
which can make it harder to truly score a round
by round or have a feel of what's going on.
For this they put us like up in the crowd.
Now it's still the top of the first level, but
in a dome we were far away, so I'm scoring

(01:12:00):
the fight, to be honest with you off of the screens.
Everybody that's in my area watching off of the screens.
But I did listen to the broadcast. I align with
a lot of these. I don't mind Max playing team
ball once or twice and saying, look, there is an
opportunity here with all of these power players to make
a new boxing for the future, and here's the kickoff
for that. I don't mind doing that. He's work, He's there,

(01:12:22):
he's working for the powers that be. These days, there
is no editorial like HBO Boxing and Larry Merchant established
it's not there anymore. You're not gonna work for the
for the promoter anymore because the promoters are aligned so
aggressively with the networks. But this was ad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Nauseo and it works for the same people, right, And
he wasn't doing any of that now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
To top all this, are you against even though Saudi
paid for everything here that every person in the crowd
at Allegiant Stadium received a program which was cool, and
a copy of Ring magazine, which is cool, and a
Saudi Arabian travel brochure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
I mean, once again, I don't know what to say.
If they're going to pay for it, it's their show.
They can do it in that sense, I don't have
a problem with it. But in the sense that these
events are used to launder a murderous dictatorial government, yeah,
I do have a problem with that. But you know,
I guess we don't really care anymore, so I don't
know what to say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, I guess that's the situation. Shout out to Sir
Heey Boachuk and Brandon Adams. They had the rematch in
the featured pre limit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
I didn't see any thirty six year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Old Brandon Adams beat him a second time, got inside
on him. It was a fun action fight that should
have been the opener on the main car.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Kicked at dude, you saw a Saudi guy who was
no fucking good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I mean, I guess he was switched his opponent like
a week before.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
They put him on the main car. Why do you
think he's there? Turkey put him again? I don't know that.
I'm going to guess Turkey put him there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Along island, Luke, I did want you to sprinkle on
here just to close. When talking about UFC's kickoff into boxing,
were you impressed by the Netflix broadcast at all?

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Yeah, like Luke said, I thought it looked really good.
I was thinking that the whole time. It was very crisp.
It was smooth. In the past on these Netflix ones,
Taylor Serrano, I had offering issues, streaming issues, stuff like that,
so I got no complaints.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Man, it was a smooth I'm interested to see what
these I mean. Turkey has already tweeted that it's the
most watch boxing event in history, Luke, I don't know
that it's possible that it already is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
But what is the most watch boxing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I think it's generally considered to be. It depends how
you do it right. So the Muhammad Ali Leon Spinks
rematch in nineteen seventy eight at the Superdome in New Orleans,
was bought by ABC and it got ninety million viewers
at a time when people were tied to their you know,
six channels or whatever they had. So that's insane, right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Yeah. Also, what was the US population in seventy when
you look that up?

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
But Tyson versus Paul just recently on Netflix did sixty
something million concurrent one hundred something million total viewers, So
I don't I'm gonna guess that they overachieved here, but
overachieving still might be like fifty million, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah, dude, nineteen seventy eight there were two hundred and
twenty two million people, so ninety million is almost not
quite half the country. Yeah, that's that's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
That is I mean, Muhammli was at a different level
than Canelo, you know, or all that will ever be yet.
All right, let's transition out of boxing here and get
into mixed martial arts, and there was a lot to
talk about there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Yeah, my, you know what, that main event was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
That main event was an absolute banger. I mean, we
just started dating, right, I hope. So Hey, this third
ever noch UFC event took place in San Antonio, wasn't
a pay per view, wasn't an overly loaded card, but
certainly had some moments and had a featherweight main event
that was muscy on paper, was insanely musty after the
fact if you missed it. A thriller as Diego Lopez

(01:17:51):
bounces back from his vacant title loss to Alexander Volkanowski
by continuing to bury the Fighting Nerds trajectory of late
by taking on the favorite Lord G and Silva back
and forth, bloody, and suddenly in round two it is
viciously over a spinning back elbow from Diego Lopez, who
took some damage to start that round after sort of

(01:18:11):
dominating the first round in full mount for half of it.
What a wild turn of events, Luke, What did Diego
Lopez prove with this victory? Did it prove that he's
still near the top of this division? We could say
a lot about what this means for the Fighting Nerds,
but right off the top. For Diego Lopez to weather
that storm and then beat Silva with the same type
of dynamic highlight reel strikes that he was getting hit with,

(01:18:35):
what does this say about him coming off of that
title loss.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yeah, I was a little bit concerned about him after
the Volkanovsky loss because of what it did to him
in terms of showing how limited some of his positioning
in the cage is. And you know, as I mentioned,
sometimes you get these guys in title fights and then
they come out afterwards and they're still missing a step.
But there was none of that with Diego Lopez. He
absolutely proved he was very elite. And the chin well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
He got hit with a highlight reel slew right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
And how about that front kick right underneath it, those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Three piece combinations, I mean, everything was landed on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
The thing that was so impressive to MEBC was we
knew his ground game was good, but the addition of
his wrestling skill now where he waited for the spin, which,
by by the way, you could tell that they had
planned that right. So you wait for the spin, you
go to the body lock, you matt return him to
the to the floor, and then you immediately assume a
dominant position. And then you can hold the dominant position
because of how good your grappling skills are. Beats the

(01:19:29):
living shit out of him for most of that round. Now,
there was a little bit of a rebound towards the
end of the first and then in the second, I
thought Silva was doing great. So like to me, the
lesson here was BC, are there still known limits to
Diego Lopez's game? Yes, at range, Silva was busting them up.

(01:19:49):
That's just a fact. And as you saw in the
fight with Volkanovsky, the positioning issues can be quite real. However,
he's got offense everywhere he had. He's so dangerous in close.
Remember at UFC three hundred when Sadik Yussef was in
the clinch, they break clinch for a minute and boom,
that shot comes right over from him, like he if

(01:20:11):
you are like, if we're at kicking range, it's a
different ballgame. We're at striking range with punches. Still, it
depends on who he's fighting. But Silva was better there,
But you get into clinch range or all the things
that happened in the grapling department, he was way better
than Silva and was, I think, honestly, very surprising with
his own spinning attacks. Dude, Diego Lopez has off fence everywhere.

(01:20:35):
It's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I don't want to say that saved him, but him
landing that strike at that moment and a fight that
he had had highs and lows. I think he holds
serve and then some him as an elite fighter in
this division, like because he in so many ways.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
And also I want to be clear, like, dude, he
used Silva's pressure against him, Yes, he weaponized all this.
He knew this guy was going to be charging hard
the whole time, so they had attacks ready.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yeah, nasty mustache too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
He got the like a nineteen eighties high school football coach,
and he's got ten haircuts at the same time, which
I don't quite understand. But that's another thing going. But
the one I'm trying to make is dude, Like, I
think that I want to be clear, like, oh, all
the limits that we saw in the Vulc fight are gone. No, No,
not necessarily. But what I can say is is he
taking some of his existing strengths like grappling and then

(01:21:22):
building on them with improved wrestling. Yes, And he is
always ready to go for offense. He's always in a
position to throw or to strike or to you know,
to clinch or to you know, you name it. He's
always ready to attack. So if you're pressuring him, dude,
Vulc it showed had exactly the right approach. Diego Lopez

(01:21:45):
is so dangerous you kind of want to keep him
at your range and chip away at him. Silva wanted
to just you know, you know, I'm gonna like a
Visa goth running down the fucking hill. I'm gonna go
after him. You can't fight that dude that way. You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Are you with me? That if that perfect spinning elbow
didn't land when it did that, this this was heading
into fight of the air territory. This was heading into
just some batschit craziness.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
I think that Silva did show me he's dangerous at range,
really dangerous at range. But I don't know how much
longer that fight would have lasted in any case, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Let's see the before and after of both fighters. Here's
the handshake to start the fight, dude. Look there it
is afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Mass a question they couldn't get a towel for this guy? Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I think it just kept leaking. I mean, have you
got to be honest, You've never seen an elbow land
like that spinning one did, and then see that much
blood flow all over the canvas, the arms, the land.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
I mean, I've seen some pretty bad elbows.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
That was wild. So Lord Gan Silva's intensity kind of
worked again. I mean he was out of control, intense
from the stare down with the wife before, and I
know she plays a big part in his camp and
in making him the man he is, as the woman
behind every great man should be, or that doesn't have
to be behind. But that's the old thing. Not trying
to dig misogynistic coles for myself here, but Luke. Then

(01:23:02):
he did the same thing with Bruce Buffer in such
a out of control.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
To be honest, that made me uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Round two then after being on the ground of full
mountain taking a beating, he had great success, but it
was wild great success. It was just constant, like it's
like when you play the UFC video game and you
hit like the four buttons together that create like the
spinny shit. Dude, he's just throwing like murderous shit left
and right. Is that sustainable at the elite level?

Speaker 10 (01:23:25):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
I think Silva was shown up here a little bit.
I think that if my takeaway is anything, it's like, Okay,
I did not his grappling against Bryce, I had said,
was somewhat vetted. Yeah, but it's not vetted enough. He
had real problems with it, and again partly facilitated by
the spinning attacks, which did not need to happen because

(01:23:46):
you saw he got taken down in the second round,
but he got up much quicker in the second round,
so it wasn't nearly as bad. But the fact that
he spins like and is just so aggressive with it
and is just trying to live in a flow state.
These are defensive liability.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
He almost hit so many of those, dude, like or
sometimes he did hit it that I'll like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Yes, sometimes again he's dangerous and he's yeah, you know
he's dangerous, But dude, this games where you're like, I'm
trying to be in some kind of fight artistic flow state,
and I like you like dude. Emmanuel Augustus is remembered
for his style, not for the bodies of resume of
names on his resume, and Silver kind of reminds me

(01:24:23):
of that he's got this kind of I mean, not
to the same degree he has in this insane, very
fun style, but dude, that's not gonna work on Vulcan
and it didn't work on Diego Lopez, and I have
a feeling it's definitely not going to work on Mosar
And if you want maybe others as well, Al jam
you think that's it's going to work on Aljabn. Aljaman
is not going to play this fucking game with you

(01:24:44):
like these are these are fun antics, Like there's a
question about the fighting airsuction. Well, no, we'll get to
But the point is you can play these games against
decent to maybe even good opponents. You cannot do that
against the top of the division. They are absolutely ruthless
with how they will audit what's wrong with you? And
he got fucking audited.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Whether the timing is fair or not. Silva's loss plays
into the larger narrative that the fighting nerds exploded on
the scene were as exciting as possible, and Silva's case
in these winds showing like all this joy and craziness
in a positive way. And now as each have stepped up,
with the exception of old the Shayshak since coming to
their camp, we've seen them now lose. Let's first hear

(01:25:24):
from Diego Lopez, who had, you know, a lot of
sort of pre fight hectic issues with Silva when they
crossed paths at the hotel there in San Antonio. Here's
the message he gave to the fighting nerds after the fight.

Speaker 13 (01:25:34):
What was that emotion like right after the fight looked
like he maybe tried to punch you. What was going
on there?

Speaker 7 (01:25:39):
Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm surprised this too, Like I
feel they punched my back my head, I mean Antonio
like he is he puts me in my in back
of my head. No, I'm not understanding for why. Uh,
but it's okay. This is the maybe the emotional this
timing because this guy is that a little bit hungry

(01:26:00):
for because he loosed the fight. No, but but it's okay.
I feel good now this is my moments like he uh,
the people's no.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
Victoria.

Speaker 13 (01:26:16):
I'm not gonna pay for the price for for my victory.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
I'm not gonna pay that price for the victory.

Speaker 13 (01:26:20):
You jumped up on the cage. You were flipping off
some people. What was that about?

Speaker 7 (01:26:24):
Like this is your training partners. It's like before I'm
interested in the octagon. Just the coopman put the vast
in my in my face. You you your train contness
a lot like oh you die today, this guy killed you?
You saw Sorry, guys, your socks this guy knocked you out,

(01:26:44):
like talk a lot of a lot of bad worlds,
you know. Yeah, after it is okay, it's okay, you know,
But after I finished the fac and go and go
to face the your training partners, sorry, I I show
my things for these guys.

Speaker 13 (01:27:03):
What advice would you give him now that he suffered
his first loss in the UFC.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Yes, in UFC.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:27:14):
Maybe maybe train more out less more.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I want to say, I'm not protecting jan Silva Fro
hitting that rabbit punch after the fight ended, which you know,
back in the day, you can get you can lose
your job for that. Although I think it was fueled
by the idea that after the stoppage, did you notice
that Diego Lopez kneeled right next to Silva and started
to talk to the team members of Silva like he
was like scolding them. And I think Lord Silva kind

(01:27:43):
of came to saw that and then got up and
thought that he was, you know whatever. But separate from
the theatrics that happened afterwards, Silva is an emotional fighter
and he got can cussed. Probably I'm not going to
jump on him for that. Is this a complete referendum?
On who the fighting nerds are or did they just
kind of explode too quickly and everyone kind of needs
a humbling loss to continue to climb that ladder.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah, I mean this is not the I mean if
the team was like, hey, we're going to exist until
noce UFC, and then we're not going to exist anymore,
you could judge like what the team did, but it's
not over. However, at the same time, I don't know
how you can look at these results and come to
any other conclusion. Then their success is not accidental. They

(01:28:25):
are good and they're a lot of fun. I think
that's very clear. I'm glad, dude. They brought a certain
kind of levity with the glasses and the antics, like
all that part of the Fight Games theater is really fun.
But if you guys want to be champions, well clearly
you're not ready. There's more to be done. So they're
not frauds by any search of the imagination. They can

(01:28:46):
beat guys certainly outside the top fifteen and for the
most part, outside the top ten, but once you get
to the top seven, they fall apart. They fall apart.
After that, they got to work on more wrestling, They
got to work on wrestling. They have to work on
a lot of other parts of their game. Let's see,
there's some of them, many of not all of them,
but many of them are still fairly young. They've reached
their existing limit. Can they change their limits? That's the

(01:29:09):
question going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
We got one more piece of Lopez talking about how
he lured g and Silva into that stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:29:15):
No trusting it for you knocking me out. It's like
it's so hard. I feel your points. It's like it's
not too hard for the people watching the TV, you know,
because for this Okay, this guy pointing me, I tell
I take here for the confidence for this guy for
the front. After this guy go to advanced time, go
to forebow. It's like, it is like it this is
my plan. I have videos in the backstage.

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
So that was the strategy this whole time was to
lure John Silva and the thinking that he was connecting
with you and then you were gonna throw the spinning elbow.

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
Yeah, because this guy after connect to one point, this
guy have a confidency for for to go for for finish.
I have it now time for finish. But it's not no,
it's me. I know the people know the people know
have the idea this, but Tim supposed you'll punch this
guy's standing out a lout your yos, this guy cheat up. No,

(01:30:07):
it's like I usually this.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Time for so he was over extending his punches.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
Yeah, yeah, I have time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Look, I do think they needed a translator after that
main event. I know, Fabiano Busque was busy, and he
did a tremendous job at the Crawford Canelo event and
during all week.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Yeah, they brought out the translating goat.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
From he delivered. Believe me, I wish they would have
had one afterwards, just because Lopez was trying to talk
to the crowd in Spanish and then was having trouble
relate that. But he says those punches from the strikes
from Silver were not affecting him. They were not hard.
They looked pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
I gotta say, even if that's one of those things
where it's like it wasn't very hard, well, first of
all looked that way, and second of all, the judges
would have scored it that way had it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Continued damage on his face or not not much.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Silva definitely looked worse, but but you know, he got
touched up to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
All right, Let's go to topic number five, which is
the rest of this notch ESPN card or no sorry,
no j a UFC card which did air on ESPN
and did end perfectly right before the main card of
Conelo Crawford, as UFC was double dipping on this night,
but for starters Luke first and foremost not Cha. UFC
began as a as a non pay per view going

(01:31:14):
up against a boxing pay per view when chef Chenko
and Grosso had their rematch in a pretty good card.
Evolved to the damn sphere last year in a pay
per view going head to head with Canelo. This year,
we know the mitigating circumstances that led to it being
moved out of Mexico, moved off of pay per view
put on earlier in the night. Would you like to
see moving forward, however, that if UFC is going to

(01:31:34):
go to this level and I like all the little
touches that they do for no Cha, from the outfits
of the ring card girls to everything I mean they
do right, everything is pretty damn cool. Would you like
to see this be a numbered event that gets priority.
Can we forgive them for this year at just being
sort of thrown in? This was not a great card
on paper in terms of what you'd expect. What do
you think this should be moving?

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
I just don't know what not cha UFC means to UFC.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Right, doesn't mean UFC night if you translate what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
What I mean is, how can it be that like
one year you got a title fight and then the
next year it's like this gigantic event at the Sphere,
and then the next year it's.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Like, I mean, answer that subtly Turkey paid for that
massive event last year at the Sphere and now he's
paying for this massive Canelo Crawford fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I get it, But I'm saying, like UFC has to
Here's what I would say. I don't think it needs
to be a numbered event, not that I would complain
if it was. But what it needs to be is
something consistent. What is it that? What does notcha UFC
mean for UFC in terms of the card they build
and the stakes involved? Because I do like the Mexican
element of it. I do like the story there again

(01:32:45):
to the way it changes the broadcast. I like all
this stuff. I have no problem with any of it.
In fact, I think it's a great thing that they're
doing it. I just can't figure out what Notcha UFC
is other than sometimes it's a way to rebrand in
ordinary fight night. The main event was great. I think
this is a super fine main event. But one more time.

(01:33:06):
All the previous Notchia UFC events had title fights. This
one didn't. And there weren't that many Mexicans on it.
There were a fair amount of Latinos, but there weren't
very many Mexicans on it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Should it be an annual fight night in Mexico? Should
it be an annual pay per view? Regardless of whether
you loaded up with Latin fighters? Like, what do you
think it should be?

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Here's my opinion as a white guy who's not Latin
but is a fight fan.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
But you are a pseudo Latino man, pseudo very suited,
pasi very wanna be very very pseudo very wannabe.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
I don't care when they put it, but as long
as you're gonna make it, make it consistent, right, what's no?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
You gave the same tone of when you said that
you don't care if somebody lives or dies. So I'm
basically like, yeah, this is where it's at.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Well, I just mean, like, could they put it in
may or single Demayo, which I realized is an American holiday,
not necessarily a Mexican but it's kind of a Mexican
American holiday or event to us. Could they put it there?
Could you put it any other night?

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
You could put it whenever you want, Like, it doesn't
have to be on September or May. That's my only
thing is whenever you do it, have some level of
consistency for you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Remember that scene in Cruel Attentions when Sarah Michelle Geller
was like, you can put it anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
I've never seen cruel Intentions? Am I missing out?

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Wow? Not missing out?

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
You are missing out that?

Speaker 7 (01:34:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Thank you, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Come on, yes, especially for the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Yeah, how about what was the movie where Denise Richards
kissed what's your face?

Speaker 9 (01:34:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Yeah, Wild Things?

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Yeah right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Also, Luke, this co main event. We did not get
chewee weis on there, but we did get a David
Martinez filling in on late notice without a Wikipedia page
to take on a resurgent veteran in Rob font who
was a firm betting favorite coming in. Yet, the twenty
seven year old Martina's weathered the damage at times outwork
the veteran at times and picked up a pretty significant

(01:34:52):
win for this portion of his career. How impressed were
you by.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
His extremely coming in on short notice against a guy
who is is you know, not in his prime, but
very talented, well rounded, tons of experience. Martinez looks fast,
he had great movement, had a hard time finding him.
I was, you know, dude, this is what his second
fight in UFC. Yeah, and you're beating Rob font at

(01:35:18):
twenty seven years of age. Yeah, that's a prospect to
pay attention to there for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Long Island, Luke, we did. We do appreciate your UFC
knowledge had You're a you're an undercard type guy, and
this guy was.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Yeah, the more irrelevant the fighter, the more he liked.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
This guy was trying to get some relevance. What was
your take on this performance?

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
All right, we got to mention the curtain jerker, the
tough finale, Daniel Dunshenko got a nice finish Shaw Roder.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Yeah, we got we got.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
We gotta mention that treditorialize in that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
But someone told me on Thursday, They're like, oh my
life chat. They're like, do you realize there's an Ultimate
Fighter finale? And I'm like, I hadn't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
No, I'm not asking you to give me an undercard. Uh,
I'm trying to say, with your undercard knowledge, Martinez stepping
up and beating a guy like font Were you moved
by this?

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Oh? Yeah, I was.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
The line was interesting here because Rob font was like
minus one fifty and it just gradually kept getting lower.
On fight night, David Martinez was plus one hundred to
Rob fontce like minus one twenty. So someone saw the
value in David Martinez. Personally, I didn't. I took the
over in this fight, which did it? But Yeah, David
Martinez looks damn good dude, like Luke's had only two
UFC fights too. I'm intrigued.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
And by the way, Luke Thomas Sean Shelby was tesked
with getting on the mic and awarding the trophy to
the Ultimate Fighter winner.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
In the Yeah, although Hunter Campbell was there, I did
see him in the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Interesting. Would you like him to become more of a
talking head for UFC, like at press conferences?

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Why they've already got Max Kellerman.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
They've got David Shaw, I was saying for UFC.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Yeah, they've already got Max Kellerman.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Well, he's kind of carrying the turkey and the TKO
water at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Oh, brother, he looks like he's got enough to juggle.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Luke, speaking of carrying extra pounds, Kelvin Gasolon continued to
miss weeight and badly did it once more for it.
You know how much I love Kelvin Gasoline. But that
was at middleweight, not even walterweight, which has a history
of missing. I don't know if his heavyweight era is
in front of him, But Luke, they took the fight anyway.
He lost a percentage of his purse, but he still
gave it to Dustin Stulfus on the feet over three rounds.

(01:37:07):
Nearly thirty fights into his UFC career, the weight issues
continue to follow him. What should the UFC do with him?
Because he's on like a little bit of a resurgence.
He still can make fun fights. I feel like he's
going to be aged thirty two or less forever. Every
time we check his age it's still not thirty five,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Yeah, what should we do with this? I don't really know.
I'm not going to be one of these guys being like,
oh they should cut him. I feel weird saying that,
But at the same time, I do think there are
some issues BC, because dude, I know he took the
fight on relatively short notice, but don't take fights if
you can't make weight, period. Sorry, just don't. That's the
first thing I'm going to say, Like, doing it this,

(01:37:46):
not making weight this far into your career is fucking insane.
But the problem is, BC, he is good enough and
talented enough to still beat some decent guys. But there's
a problem there too, which is his skill set was
always pretty good, but somewhat limited in terms of like,
you know, he wasn't gonna submit you, and he probably
wasn't gonna head kick you. You know, he's gonna punch

(01:38:06):
your lights out one way or the other, which he
can still do. But I feel like that that the
usefulness of that is still real, but starting to narrow
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
I mean, he stopped evolving his game of years.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So it's like, is he still good
enough to beat guys on the roster? Definitely? Definitely, But
I don't is he coming or going? I don't I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
About a rematch with Isielway. I mean, I'm in film that, you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Know, does he make the weight. I don't know. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Talk to me about Alexander Hernandez because ever since he too,
ever since he lit up day drinking Daddy Don Seroni,
he's been sort of juggling two wins, two losses back
and forth for a while now, still in his early thirties.
But this makes it four straight, as he finished his
Carlos Diego Fajita, who's now forties a man. But the
bigger story is like what happened here? I mean he's

(01:38:53):
always looked the part. Has he figured it out?

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Yeah? I mean the reality is he came onto the
scene and he knocks out Panil dare U and he
beats oam and you're like, oh my god, where the
fuck this guy come from? Then he came to your point,
crashing back down to earth. How about this?

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
And a lot of those were split decisions, a lot
of them more split.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
But that's the point, Like they were neck and neck
with guys, and he looked, you know, there were dude,
here are times he looked scared to throw and he
couldn't get out of his own way, and his defense
looked bad. You know. I now he has four wins
in a row, three and twenty twenty five and then
two back to back months. This is the best stretch
of his career. Dude. His skill set has finally come together.

(01:39:30):
He has good movement. He doesn't put himself in defensively
liable positions in the same way that he used to.
He knows how did he drop this guy with a
punch coming in? Yeah, which he timed and was ready for. Like, dude,
he's got a lot of stuff. Not everything, of course,
but he's got a lot figured out. It took a
long time for his game to gel, but I think

(01:39:52):
it finally has and the results kind of speak to that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
We got some sound from I believe some sound here
from Alexander Hernandez, who he wants next. This would be
a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
This would be a big one, called out Michael Chandler.

Speaker 6 (01:40:01):
If Michael Chandler is gonna see this, I'm gonna put
this out there. What would you like to say to
Michael Chandler to try and get him to, you know,
get a fish on the line type not to man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
I think it's a juicy fight. I think I think
he'll bite on it. I love it. It's exciting fight
for the fans. I mean it's a sick fight. It's
a good time for it to happen too, So I
think he's about it.

Speaker 6 (01:40:18):
You don't need too much. Just hey, man, sign on
the Dota bills.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Exactly what is bro.

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
We've been bothing this game long enough, man, I gotta
sell nothing sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Is it still a big fight to have Chandler against you?

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Is that still a big thing it would be for him? Yes?
I don't think that would be. Would I don't think
that would That's not a yeah, that's a good fight
for him, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I was keying in here on Tatiana Suarez coming off
of that really bad one sided title opportunity against a
Jeongwae Lee taking out thirty eight year old to Mando
Lemos and would go downa's unanimous decision for Tatiana, who
had a lot of standing clinch control, ground control. We
know that the wrestling is her game. Unfortunately for her, though,
she'd get a little bit beat up in that final
minute where Lamosh got top position and was raining down strikes. Look,

(01:41:00):
this division is not deep. I mean, darn could be
the champion next so who Tatiana could be one more
win away from fighting for the title for all we know,
but Tatiana is not young, and we've been waiting for
this sort of breakout moment where the injuries are behind
her and it comes together. Did you see enough on
the feet that puts that title loss behind her? Or
was this sort of just a matchup dependent win. She

(01:41:21):
got the job done.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
If anything, it made me think of the same problems.
I mean, she won, Okay, that's good, that's stuffing better
than losing. But I mean there's a couple. I mean,
the basic problem is this. When she first got into
the division. You see, they were calling her the female Kabib. Yes,
and you might be like, oh, they're clearly were overestimating
well in a sense, yes, but at the time it
didn't feel all that crazy. She was mauling the great

(01:41:43):
and tough.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
She came through that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
I think the injuries and the time off and the age,
as well as the general best practices of MMA getting
better defensively, like it's harder to wrestle people now than
it used to be, but also the age, also the injuries,
also the time off, I think it has irreparably damaged.
She's still good enough to win. She seems like a
lovely person, so I feel bad saying some of this stuff,

(01:42:05):
but I'm just trying to be honest about the assessment.
She got the win, she deserved to win, But I
didn't see anything from this being like, oh it was
kind of fluky what happened against Jong Wilee.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
No, I don't see enough evolution of the striking.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
But more than that, her wrest The evolution in the
wrestling isn't there either. Like her wrestling, if anything has
kind of regressed, I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Mean, she still could win a title in the right
matchup by leaning into her strengths. I don't I don't
think that's impossible to say.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Uh well, if well now that the chant well the
former champs now gone, Yes, it opens things up, but
you know, would there be a dominant reign. I just
don't see that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Did anything else on this card top to bottom? Move
you because I want Long Island Luke's thoughts, because you
know I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Want to move it, move it. I'm gonna say that
I don't know why Sadrik Duma is still on the
fucking roster.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Oh his right ball was hurting as he told the.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Right I mean, the guy gets kicked in the balls. Grand,
it was a pretty bad one. He has to convince
a judge to take an ankle monitor off due to
the alleged primes he's committed, gets in there, gets kicked
in the balls fifty one seconds into the fight, and
then they wave it. What the fuck was the point
of any of that? Why was he on this card?
Why is he in the UFC? It makes no sense
whatsoever Beyond that, though, I leave the rest to Long
Island Luke.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
Yeah for us, Oh no, I love my girlfriend. I
just want to say the card itself, great pacing, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
They had eight pacing was insane.

Speaker 5 (01:43:24):
Yeah, prelims in only three hours, which is usually like
six fights.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Was that a message from the top to not bump
into the Netflix card?

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
And no, I think they just I think they just
packed the prelims tight so they had to really run
through those.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Then.

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
I think yes, BC on the main card they were like,
keep this shit going quick. But either way, it just
felt like a fight was ending, next fight was in there.
So I enjoyed my time. But the card itself, you know,
are we gonna come out of this with any new prospects?
Not so much, David Martinez, That's about it.

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(01:45:21):
I don't know why I'm not happy. Okay, Hey, hey,
time for other fans to have a voice Luke every
Sunday night. We give you that option at morning combat
on x and Instagram. Well, let me guess flannels and JITs,
televin key pop uh? Who else you got anybody else?
Ummm a man and his cat.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
I like that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Yeah, it looks like I hope they all die. Hey,
here's DM from Donks. That's pretty gross. Guys, that's pretty gross.
Let's hear from our first willing participant. This is Careercenzo
Fanos says was Saturday, the best common bo of UFC

(01:46:01):
and boxing fights held on one night ever. No, I
mean it was the way it was presented was great
because there was no overlap, so it was like, oh,
we get to watch this and then watch this. But
we've seen a lot of headhead stuff in the past.
Just how about the sphere Noche card up against Canelo Berlonga,
which I'm not saying was like the most wildly anticipated

(01:46:21):
fight ever, but it was still Canelo on you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
And then the dis and Masal card as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
All yeah, Canelo Cove and then the Zone made Thatford
Spence was the same night as Gay Chee, BMF Dustin prob.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
That's a sick ass night ship. Yeah, that's got to
be your answer, at least my immu.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Also, Pacchio Marquez Iie was the same night as the
UFC on Fox debut with JDS versus Kane for the
Henyway title. But that was also the Fox card ended
just early enough before.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Yeah, something like that. But there's been a bunch of
them to your point.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah, good question, good question. Hopefully we gave you a
good answer. Let's hear from our next from at Saul
six to one night. Hey, what what does mysterio say?
M raymysterio?

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
How the fuck would I know?

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
How does that song go?

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
What is how's the song going? Mesda lick my balls?
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Okay? Sorry? Have the Fighting Nerds officially been exposed or
will they rebound and still have title aspirations? They would
further ask here soul six one nine? Uh six one nine?
That's where I was going with that, boy, I look
like an asshole. Is Gan Silva still the most likely
to get a title shot? Or is it Kyle Bohoalio,
Marty Cio, Hoofi, Carlos Prattes. It's gotta be protest.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
People were asking like who had the worst loss of
these four? And I don't know how anyone can say
the answer is anything other than Hoofi, because did Jayon
Silva get beat up real bad in this fight, Yes,
and in particular in that first round, but then he
kind of came back in the last minute of the
first round and then was doing real well in the
second round. Hoofi didn't do shit yep against BSD. Clearly

(01:47:56):
his is the worst, even though he didn't get beat
up as bad. Kyle A least made it to a
number one contender fight that's something. Protest has already rebound
if from a loss, look pretty good doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
What about Bruna Brazil Long Island thinks she's part.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Of the fun. She is she is I women's mme
is in a tough spot. I'm not. You know, we
want me to tell you and then uh and then
oh olok Shaishak is on the rebound, but he hasn't
got like a super pronounced win at this point against
a big name. So I would say I still have
some hope for Silva, but these fuckers need to get
it again.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
I mean Protest is peaking. I guess you could say
off that wins. He's sort of pointing forward above all
of them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
He certainly looked real good in the rebound. I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Yeah, Okay, like you on the train when you're crowning,
he's the guy that's like sticking out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:37):
I did not take a dump on the train today.

Speaker 10 (01:48:39):
I would.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I don't want to talk about that anymore. Next question
please from the fans. This is that the MMA.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Poster get a rubbed one out on an airplane.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Okay, why why are we doing this? Where does Tatiana
Suarez go from here? Now we did talk about her
victory and sort of the limitations. She's thirty five later
this year, I mean, but to be fair, I think
she's one more win. Imagine a scenario where either Verner
or Dern wins. She she's in that fight, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Think with you know again, with the champ leaving and
what's left, I don't if i'm her you again, I
did not look at the win at Lamos as particularly inspiring. Yes,
but it's a win, and she's still a name and
there's still some relevance there. Keep going, see if you
can get another title shot. It's not out of the
roma possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Well, now, Luke, I know I'm normally this strawweight guy,
but there really hasn't been a lot of business at
straweight in a while. Is there like a rising future
title contender or champion that we don't talk about?

Speaker 5 (01:49:33):
This women's If she doesn't get a title shot, she's
fighting the loser. She's fighting yan Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Why is women's MMA in such bad shape? What he
should do an expose There used to be a big difference.
We'd be like, the women's m A is so much
better than women's boxing. Women's MMA is regressing to women's boxing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
I don't know. I really don't know what the answer
is because what made it. I'm just like looking back
concidering how toxic the MA world is. MMA fans like
attached to women's MMA right away and said, no, this
is good, this is really good. It wasn't just for
like sexualized reasons. You know, like you had a big
star in Ronda. You had really competitive fights that were
fought hard, even with the lack of finishes compared to

(01:50:12):
the men's game, Like there were elite fighters and you
could see that that is going down.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
Yeah, I don't know, but it's in bad shape.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Maybe is it only because there was two divisions back
then others or I guess maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Next question, please, this is from at tv GC MMA.
What's your fondest memories of Ricky Hatton?

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
I forgot. I was supposed to bring that up earlier.
A really tough loss that came pretty soon after the
Crawford victory over Canelo. To find out that forty six
year old I don't know if he is he in.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
The Hall of Fame, Ricky, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Ricky Hatton, who, of course rose you know, beating Coast
Ja Zoo on showtime in in England for the UH
or the title, and then rising from there to go
into super fights with Floyd with Pacio in which he
was stopped in both of those. Oh, he is in
the Hall of Fame, would retire? I remember, like his
Hall of Fame thing was I guess somewhat borderline based

(01:51:07):
on the resume, But then you look at the impact
he had and you know, getting himself into those super
fights with UH, with Floyd and Manny. He was such
a joyful, vibrant personality. Remember when HBO twenty four to
seven was so young and those episodes with him and
Floyd were just hilarious because he didn't take himself or
the situation overly serious.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
There's a famous story of him. It's not about him
per se, but just kind of told you about the
energy around Hatton was that when Hatton fought Mayweather, the
Brits traveled to support him and they drank the MGM
dry of alcohol. Yes, it's a real thing that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Saia Molvani always relays that story happened at like like
Thursday afternoon and a Friday morning of fights. Every single
restaurant and provider was they were out, they were waiting
on the delivery.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
I mean you got to say, like, did you got
a I fan base when they can do something like that,
And I.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Think he fit. He was the poster boy for that
fan base, not just because his style was all about aggression,
fast paced, throw as many punch as wasn't a big puncher,
but which he was a guy, yeah, and lived the
lifestyle of you know, honest, hard worker guy that liked
to drink.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Like to party, blue collar.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
I don't think we know what happened to him at
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
It doesn't seem great, but it doesn't seem great.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
His son, Campbell had been fighting for a while and
I think he just stopped fighting as well. But he leaves.
I mean, he's a Hall of Famer first of all,
he's one of the most beloved fighters. Second of all,
I think anyone that just watched him, from his fighting
style to the way he carried himself, he was relatable.
He was enjoyable, he was joyful. It's this is a
really sad thing that sort of snuck in at a
time when we're talking up Terrence Crawford and all this

(01:52:46):
rightfully so and we didn't get into in a way.
Niowa nWay defending his championships on Sunday, but it aired
on top ranks Facebook page What the fuck? And he
fought a really tough opponent and merge On Akmedalia of
MJ the former Unified champion, and he out boxed him
thoroughly over twelve rounds and maybe shows you that at
his age. I don't know if in a way should

(01:53:07):
go to one twenty six, but there's gonna be a
big fights coming. Juneto Nakatani is moving up in a way.
He's supposed to be back in December against David Allen Picasso,
with Juneto Nakotani making his debut at one twenty two
on the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
End of so one more and then they could make
it and they could.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Ban Rodriguez show up soon after that for a big fight.
We'll see. But it's not like we're trying to avoid
Niowa in a way, but they kind of buried this fight,
you know, from an American standpoint, as as low as
possible in light of Cannelo Crawford. It's it's unfortunate, but
it's true. We love in Away's one of the best.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
In the world and the era again, very very strange
that you always get like Bud and in a way
performing on similar weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Sure, all right, what else we got here from the fans?
This is from at empty booble. One has to go.
This is tough nineties rap or seventies rock.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
I mean, for folks that might be asking, like, what
would count a seventies rock led Zeppelin.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
I think in totality the nineteen seventies led Zeppelin, rolling Stones,
aggressive rock, jazz fusion, David Bowie like there was you know,
there was so much going on in the seventies that
the more I roun wrap it in my vinyl journey,
I'm just blown away.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Also, the movies of the nineteen seventies are some of
the best movies ever.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Daniel Snyder's nephew and I've been going through the seventies
neo noir, you know, library.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
First entered The Dragon nineteen seventy four.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
I just watched what seventies movie did I watch the
other day?

Speaker 10 (01:54:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Actually it's an early eighties movie, but it's not that
seventies motif. It's Thief starring James Kahn. Just such a
gritty yeah, thank you, so oh God, was a beast. Yes,
and I saw Jaws for the first time in three
D in the theater.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Nie.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
That was like seventy six or seventy five, and I
never I just didn't know how awesome that one was.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Yeah, So right, nineties hip hop getting rid of that
seems unfathomable to me. Right, Biggie jay Z, Nas, Buster Rhymes, Tribe,
Dre Snoop Easy, I mean, and even before that, rock Him.
I mean, I don't even know Cypress Hill like foundational

(01:55:09):
acts of hip hop, Big Pun, you know. I just
I can go on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
I mean, that was the decade that that really it
started in the eighties, but the nineties made it not
only commercial, but you start to see like the true
craft legends of it come out. As you mentioned, it
depends upon preference. I'm more of a rock guy than
I'm a rap guy, so I'm gonna let nineties rap go.
But nineties hip hop was the absolute mountain top peak
from Nas to Biggie to Tupac to the public Enemy

(01:55:37):
in the beginning through Wu Tang, I mean good jay Zon.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
I'll just say personally, losing seventies rock would be slightly easier,
but even that is a troublesome.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Yeah, but luckily they didn't put you know, twenty tens
abortion rock in here.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
That would be if you did tug one out on
a plane. Would you count that as the mile high club?
That is, this is the mile would you count it?

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Maybe the half mile club? You know, maybe, but uh no,
I'm not. I'm not looking to enter any of those
club there. That's it long island. Look right, enough of
that ship, speaking of ship, right, We're good, Yeah, all right,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Guy, fans. Lady today I'm gonna jump across this table.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Okay, lady, but you can reach the show by the
way at morning Combat at gmail dot com. Although we
had a special live hey shout out to our.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Live episode on Friday that we Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
That was really fun. I know it was only an hour,
but that was really fun. Thank you guys. It felt
like old times on the road, right, Yes, yeah, you're like,
I'm done with the show already. All right, Morning Combat
at gmail dot com. Get your fans ubs, get your
dead wrongs. On Friday, the final segment we have is
where we picked through the kernels of my fecal area
to find the weirdest wildest and outrageous videos of the week.
In an effort to make Luke Thomas amo this is

(01:56:40):
called Have you seen this? Who that sounds like al
Pacino and a son of a woman? Right, yeah, right,
that's how you debate, right. That was that scene at
the end of the y Yeah, all right, Hey, let's

(01:57:01):
go to Canelo Crawford in Vegas. All the stars were out.
Who did Canelo have in his locker room? Luke's dream?
Sofia Vergara came in and embraced what do you think missus?
Canelo in the background is thinking here, get this, get
this harlot out of my I think Canelo was thinking
right there, Yeah, Bud will not be outdone. How about

(01:57:24):
the Bayou Barbie Angel Reese coming in now the high
difference was was was massive here, but uh.

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
But the one next to her, the next Battie, that
one you can't see on this angle, but it's actually
the friend that Angel Reese introduces. She was the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
Very attractive lady as well, so a lot of star
power there. We also had Mike Tyson, Mister Beast and
Turkey going through Shenanigans to promote the fight.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
This was during the undercard I want to be clear
one more time. I don't need to hear or see
Turkey ever.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Well, he's everywhere, He's on everything, Luke, Okay, you cannot
avoid like no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
Part of the broadcast is improved with his inclusion.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
Yeah, he's very heavy handed in his choices as well. Luke,
He's he's something. Also Turkey's new innovation. The AI ring
judge scored the fight on Saturday one fourteen one fourteen
a draw.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
It's like, dude, by the way, people think that this
is the jabber ai thing that they used previously. It
is not. It is their own.

Speaker 8 (01:58:20):
Proprietary HEYI okay, jabber one had Terrence winning, so Jabblwaukee Yeah, Jabblwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Turkey also put out a tweet shouting out good old
versace Rick Reno looking like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
Uh bro, tell me this doesn't look like a little
kid that got dressed by his dad and his dad
wanted his little kid to be a pimp for Halloween.
Good lord, Rick, buddy, we love you. You seem like
a very nice guy. I don't know you. You're not cool.
I hope that's you're not. This doesn't make you cool,
you see, here's the truth about that. I'm also not cool.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Yeah, I mean he's playing a character, but uh, it's
it's outrageous. I mean it looks like a like Liberachi
and Joe Goosen's love Child and that of it's like
there's a lot of denim, there's some there's some bedazzling
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Just go if you can wear that again, Rick, if
you're gonna go trick or treating. But other than that,
you gotta let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
But that's the only time Turkey's humor is actually funny
when he's like putting on tweets like that, like we
gotta have a discussion about.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
Old or so. Okay, I agree with that, yeah, but all.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
The fighters always try to be like, no, Turkey's really cool,
he's funny, Turkey. They're not here to hang out with
you like you think they are.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
You think Turkey, Okay, you know, I don't want to
get in too much trouble. But we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Why on American soil.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
It's not even that, it's just about you know, people
are sensitive these days.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
I'm very sensitive, all right, hey, allitherwhere elsewhere sorry A
m M a LFA main event, Gable Steveson made his
pro debut and he didn't need long. This is shot
from the crowd, not the broadcast. Of course, John Jones
in his.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Corner, Yeah, John making it all about him celebrating.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
So Gable got basically an instant takedown. It didn't take long.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
And yeah, well, you know, he is an Olympic gold
medalist and national champion in wrestling, so I can't imagine
that the uh, you know, the guy that they had
against him was all that ready for the challenges, do
you think, Gab I'm so glad to see his turf
toe cleared up so fast, you know, because he had
the turf dow and he couldn't do the Craig Jones Invitational,
But all of a sudden he looked great to me,

(02:00:10):
so I was I'm really happy that that turf doe
went away so fast.

Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
Will Gable will be making his UFC debut at the
White House? Will he get the bow Nickels treatment of
just like sped up matchmaking?

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Or think he does?

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
He will need two three. We had this debate before
in a different segment, but like, we don't know how
good he is, but I mean that was there was
ease in which he did that. Yes, it was heavy
ground upon but he was fighting. He's fighting the guy
that makes your sandwiches at subway.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Yeah, you know, he was fighting. Definitely a sandwich artist,
so he was a mixed martial artist sandwich art.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
Most of those sandwich artists, at least Jared is known
for really bad Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
A nice people. Do they make delicious food.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
Let's check in on pro football? All right, the green
dildos have hit the NFL. I repeat the w n
B A green dildos.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
You know, at first I thought this was like some
terrible thing that they were throwing the green dildos on
the and before was like, oh there, this is some
kind of anti woman thing. But it's a crypto scam
that they use for crypto advertising. So now they're just
throwing it everywhere. It's not even just a b.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Well this weekend it happened a second time. But check
out this dude trying to Okay, sir, can you please.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
This is this is BC going to pack his luggage.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Can you please pull up those pants?

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
There?

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
I didn't need to see all it. Crack kills, all right,
and now for your NFL over the shoulder move of
the week. Watch this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
You know what, well, you know what you know I've
been caught a time or two doing that. I'm not
gonna hte on this gentleman. Guys like, damn, I've done
that too, friend, I've been there.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
We only have one piece of elder abuse this week,
and it came via the sport of soccer. A little
footy action, nice moves right there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
Doesn't look look messy. Okay, okay, take that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
Grandma did not deserve that, hey or this Bayler.

Speaker 1 (02:01:51):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
This week in Morob Luke no cha. Morob was on
the scene in San Antonio, dressed just like the people.

Speaker 12 (02:01:57):
Look at it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
A dude, he's like this from the last not check
it is all right?

Speaker 5 (02:02:01):
He read the lower He's still the number one contender.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Shouldn't he be? The say I got fooled. I got
he thought it the last Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
This is.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
You're right. It must be to yeah last fight Henry Sahuda. Okay,
I got fooled. But with that said, he should be
the UFC's mascot. He said, isn't he hilarious?

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Hilarious is a strong word, but he's certainly animated.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
All right. Here is him from this Noche when he
went full lucha libre. He's in fight shape.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
He is the definition of extra. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
Okay, Well, here's Morob and his friends playing a new
sport called rock baseball.

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
Your thoughts. I don't think this is a good game.
What are we doing here? My name is Morob and
I hit dingers.

Speaker 2 (02:02:51):
Take him down? Nice? Maybe that's a good trae, nice.

Speaker 9 (02:03:01):
Joke.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Yeah, motherfucker, he's extra. Bro's in a good way.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
But more m m a fighters in the wild. I
think this is filmed in Connecticut. Here's Sean Strickland get
a little chauma grill with Glover and Peeda.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
Hey gott House.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
Yeah, I'm real bad, guys. I mean, I mean, I
don't know, like, is there any part of you that
is like says maybe if you had to hang with
Strickland by the grill that you would like laugh and
have an okay time?

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
Or people of different varieties can have common ground breaking bread.
I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Okay, we we went jacked up this week, but not
on the NFL pitch. Let's go to college. Here's l
us you coach Brian Brian Kelly in the in the Florida. Okay, wow,
that is sir. You got jacked up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
That is wasn't even that bad.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
That'll hurt.

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
He'll feel that because he's ancient.

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
You sent me this video from Newark, New Jersey. New
bond villain has been unlocked. They call him the Newark Samurai.

Speaker 12 (02:04:21):
Ship.

Speaker 14 (02:04:21):
You see, fucking up. You got a motherfucker samurai. This
ship can't make this ship the funk up dude.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
That's the most Newark thing ever.

Speaker 2 (02:04:37):
That guy needs to patrol at Newark penn Station. Oh my,
just clean up over there, all right, Wow, let's go
over to the airplane edibles. Luke knows about this. In fact,
Luke sent me this day. Luke, you're showing up twice
on here. Look at this guy flying high all.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
Right, that is that is flying on delta in nine.
Motherfucker whoa show that one more time? Look at him
just chewing like a cow with his mouth up. And
look at this.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
Throw back a bottle of beer on that one, suit riot. Hey,
let's go over to the car. You've got carnie workers, Luke,
you got carnie workers. Watch the gentleman working this event careful?

Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
Do you think that's the worst job you can have?
To be like a traveling Carney, is that like the
lowest of lows where you're still employed, you have a
place to live on the road, but like, what's that lifestyle?

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Yeah, I mean, plus you're not making that much. That's rough.

Speaker 2 (02:05:36):
Okay, this week in vehicular manslaughter, let's go to this race.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
Christ Oh Jesus, my god, Jesus, Wow, drive fast all
gas on that one.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
Right, that's it. That looks that look worse than the
land mooning. I mean, if that even happened, right then, yeah,
all right, all right, all right, all right, time for
your T shirts of the week here, Luca, I mean
relatable right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
Four to a pounder sixty nine. That's a classic, fella.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Okay, all right, let's go over to Ted Lasso over here,
great show, better.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
T shirt fixing to lasso that assoh.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
Last, Oh okay, we'll keep it going here, Luke, let's
go over to DJ O.

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
All right, Osama spin Lodden. He's a DJ that's not bad.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
All right, And here's the best shirt of the weekend, Luke.
I'd love to see you in this one.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
THEO vaughn Ate my ass in an Arby's parking lot.
You know, there is a lot of sin that goes
down in an Arby's parking Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:06:42):
It can't be as fun as these jerseys of the week, though,
what a great segment I put together here? Would you
wear this?

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
Luke COVID nineteen? That's a that's a certain commitment to
the bill.

Speaker 2 (02:06:50):
All right, here comes a great nightmare blunt rotation. Would
you hang out with these guys?

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
Ray Lewis, Aaron Hernandez and oj Simpson? No, you know what,
I don't know if I'm making it out of that
room a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
Here's the best jersey we found this week. You know
it was?

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
It was you know, never forget, never forget nine to eleven.
That is something a lot going on there.

Speaker 2 (02:07:13):
Look, you ever see like an old eighties toy or
piece of you know, something that just triggers all this
like nostalgia that you never, of course, like you forgot
was there? This happened to me for this phone. Check
it out, guys, I have to show you what I
got today. Got chaw?

Speaker 5 (02:07:26):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 13 (02:07:27):
And when you pick up the phone, look at he
wakes up.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
Isn't that so cool? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (02:07:34):
They hit the second hour.

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
Very nostalgic.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
It's amazing to me that, like you know, I'm not
that I'm in any way prescribing it or condoning it.
But like people, you know, talking about the death of
Charlie Kirk, people get very sensitive. And that's how it was.
After nine to eleven. You could not make jokes about it.
But now you can just joke about nine to eleven.

Speaker 2 (02:07:55):
I mean, it's very insensitive, but I'm just trying to
show you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
That people just joke about nine to eleven. Though.

Speaker 2 (02:08:00):
Now, speaking of New York City, it is a lot
like regional mma, righting, anything can happen. Let's go to
the subway. This is what we're gonna see in a
few moments.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
Rather look at the parmesan cheese. She's grading over your
plate of spaghetti. How much to eat a little piece.

Speaker 2 (02:08:15):
Of My god, that's disgusting. That is so disgusting.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
Let's go, bro, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
I don't know, I don't know. Let's go to the highways.
I have to say I've done this before. Yeah, all right,
there is that's not the highway. That's that's man Midtown Manhattan.
Oh yeah, brother, yeah, I have another one there?

Speaker 12 (02:08:32):
All right?

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
Okay, yeah, let's keep it going here. You want to
run in the streets in New York.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
You gotta be careful. I start.

Speaker 2 (02:08:43):
Yeah, I used to run track. Yeah, I smoke crack.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
That's a New Yorker if I've ever seen one.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
All Right, would you ever have a blind day with
a girl named Katrina?

Speaker 1 (02:08:52):
Luke? I don't like where this is going. What's your name?

Speaker 12 (02:08:56):
My name's Katrina?

Speaker 1 (02:08:57):
Nice? Like the hurricane ri ip all those people?

Speaker 2 (02:08:59):
What thanks, We're gonna name me nine to eleven.

Speaker 1 (02:09:01):
But you can check out this third tower. Huh oh wow, okay, sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:09:06):
I'll just be a plane. Okay, all right, this is
we need. We need censors on this show.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
Clearly there's a drive by shooter when you need all right,
I got one more for you, Luke.

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
Let's check this out.

Speaker 9 (02:09:17):
Good morning.

Speaker 12 (02:09:18):
Would you like some tea?

Speaker 2 (02:09:22):
Oh my, that's what the people are talking about on
the internet this week. I hope you saw it, Luke.
Oh my, I mean one one bag or two?

Speaker 1 (02:09:35):
I mean revolt?

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
Yeah, yea, the Internet wins again. That is our show
for the week.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
Wow, I'm literally traumatized by that. I've seen some traumatic
things in the last week. I'm sure you have as well. Yeah, yeah,
that might be the worst. I don't know. But that
might be the worst. All right.

Speaker 2 (02:10:03):
That's that's all we got here.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
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Nothing going on really this week? I was supposed to
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Gaff is though, so go check that out.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
And then what's Gas channel xFC this weekend. I'm going
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Yeh, Luke, what day Friday?

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Saturday? Saturday? I think the main card starts at nine pm.
It'll be on be in Sport. Yeah, I think that's right.

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I think you can also watch it on YouTube, but
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Yes. If you yes, you can watch it if you
become like a subscribe a member of the xFC YouTube channel. Okay,
I'll tweet out all the ways to watch and Johnny uh,
Johnny Lacuasto. Yeah, and I think Jessica Aguilar is going
to be there as well.

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Great, right there, Long Island, Luke, what's the GAFTS channel?

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One more round fight?

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So, Luke, did you see the episode that I took?
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Keck you did?

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I did, and I was on I was on the
way if I could have remembered who was just teen
Kish's opponent when she shot her pants And I'm like
seeing Felice Hare the whole time. Yeah, and I just
couldn't come up with the name because I'm old. I
would have actually blown him out, but uh.

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I put you are a formidable competitor.

Speaker 2 (02:12:01):
Thank you very much. Some people are wondering if I
can win this whole.

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Thing now I would not. I'm not going to count
you out. You know. I'm always gonna root for the
guy that beat me, so I gotta go for you.

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Thank you very much. Unless it was you know, non consensual,
then you know, I don't know if you're still chairing
for that guy.

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