Jon Jones Retires, UFC 317 Lookahead, Canelo Alvarez and Terence Crawford Press Tour

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Sorryed all the MK fans as well, but I gotta
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Hey, real quickly? How does that fight end? Very quickly?
How does that end be? How does it end?

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Sad and disappointed?

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Decision?

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What Jake by decision? How about that?

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I think that's right. I think that's right.

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back on what happened. Canelo Crawford have the first two
stops on their press tour, obviously the breaking news involving
John Jones, tom asppitall, Francis and Ganu and everything else
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watched Red Rocket Ronda getting handed to her.

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I mean you see, we were we had a great
time watching some bad women's m m a.

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You know, it was a fun time.

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Luke.

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We'd love to have you on sometime. You know, I
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Perfect Week did a funnel after that. You know, you
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Speaker 5 (03:31):
So we had a good time. Did you do you
ever show your girlfriend the fights that you give up
time for to watch, like it's like future honey, you
know how you wanted me to, like, you know, spend
time with you at the spot. No, I watched. I
watched uh what's his name, Abdey. I watched him instead

(03:56):
of you know, giving you the business. I hope, I
hope you can understand. But Homdy abdel will have was
more important. To be fair, Homdi was at noon. She
was at work.

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No cita, Wow, we got a great show planned for you.
And uh, look quickly, you watch Game seven last night.
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I did not watch the game seven. However, what I
can say is I saw a hilarious tweet from someone
saying that they don't even have clubs in Oklahoma City.
Those dudes are going to be partying at TGI Fridays,
and I was like, yeah, that's.

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That's about right.

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I've been to Oklahoma many times. My dad is from Oklahoma,
and the only thing I can associate with it is
bail bondsman and pawn shops as far as the eye
can see. Shouts the lot in Oklahoma easily one of
the worst places on earth.

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That's where you and your brother were accosted by a
group of scoundrels.

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Correctly, yes, we we were beaten up and mugged when
I was I think I was with twelve thirteen something
like that.

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Couldn't your dad have used his international foreign connections to
at least tell them the truth about nine to eleven.

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Breaking news over the weekend that really threatened to take
over the weekend, and I think it did. John Jones
announces his retirement at the age of thirty seven, despite

(07:47):
what we believe to be record money on the table
for a super fight against interim champion Tom Aspinall at
heavyweight that is more than two years in the making.
We link to that also the latest legal trouble. So
this is two years after Tom Aspinall said on that
podcast with Bisbeeing and Anthony Smith that he would retire

(08:07):
John Jones without even fighting him. That's exactly what happened,
as Dana White relayed this surprising news at the UFC
Baku press conference in Azerbaijan in the middle of the
night over there on the European Asian border. Less than
one hour later surfaced report surface of a criminal summons
filed in Albuquerque Metro cord accusing John Jones of a

(08:29):
misdemeanor charge of fleeing the scene of an accident in
February after he allegedly left a half naked woman high
on mushrooms in the passenger seat of his car, leaving
the scene of an accident her car, leaving her not
knowing how she got there. And then there's deeper details,
including Jones calling her thirty four times over I believe

(08:49):
the next twelve hours, Luke, Let's get serious here. What
does it say about John Jones's true legacy that the
end of an unrivaled teen year pro career would come.
Let's say it in the most John Jones way possible.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
What does it say? Boy? That is a big question.
You know what's kind of funny BC. I found out
about this news while I was doing my UFC Baku
postfight show, and I was not anticipating it at all.
Shouts everyone who tuned in, thank you very much. And
I had to react live, but I noticed I did not.

(09:26):
I didn't. It didn't even occur to me, quite frankly,
but I didn't react to you know, one of the
most seminal moments out of my career. Quite honestly, it's
kind of stood the test of time a little bit.
Is the fact when he dunked on me at the
I forget what event that was. It was the DC,
it was the rematch with DC. I believe UFC two
fourteen to fourteen, that's it. You're right. I think I
was twenty seventeen. If memory serves because it's funny because

(09:48):
even to this day, people will see me and ask
me about it. And but if you were recalled, BC,
do you recall what I asked him? Do you recall
what I asked him that day? Do you remember you.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Asked him how he I would look back on his twenties.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Look. Yeah, the reason why I asked that question, I
wouldn't have asked it today, you know, even if we
had a different relationship with John. But the reason why
I asked it at that time, and I'm getting to
answer your question, BC, But the reason why I asked
it at that time was because personally, I'd seen it
for myself to a degree, and I'd definitely seen it
in some of my friends who had made some bad
choices in their twenties. Right around the time they turned

(10:23):
thirty thirty one or so, they began to really clean
up their act, right. And these are guys who had DUIs.
These are guys who had had various run ins with
the law. They ended up kind of figuring it all out,
getting it out of their system, and then turning the corner.
And I kind of wondered if he was in a
similar place at that time, and of course, we now
know he was not at that place. But I think
what's interesting is here he is at the end of

(10:45):
his career and he's still exactly in the same place
he was at the time that I asked that question
banging on Forty's door, and there has been no demonstrable
improvement to the things he does at all. In fact,
what's kind of interesting about it is you could look
the other way, or at least at a bare minimum,
there was a more of a duality of a story

(11:08):
when he was leaning into how good he was at
the time, right when he was beating up Daniel Cormier,
when he was doing incredible things at light heavyweight. But
you didn't even get that. In this case, you got,
I think the way I would look at this situation
as BC is not only did I finally get an
answer to that question, which was there was no ability

(11:29):
by him whatsoever to reflect on his behavior and the
pain that he causes others, and the discomfort that he
causes others, and the frustration and frankly, the rank disappointment
that he causes in others. No reflection on that whatsoever.
So I'm glad that now you know, eight years later
I'm getting an answer to the question in a very

(11:49):
full throated way. But more to the point, you know,
this is just as you indicated, it's just the most
John Jones thing ever, It's just the most and un
ceremonious ending. While UFC President Dana White is announcing it
at a post fighter event where a dictator basically rented
the organization, you know, and the fan base barely knew

(12:12):
how to react to MMA, as if they'd never even
seen it before.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Right, all, wow, before those two African American gentlemen entered
the events, they did.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Munch of them left after PHYSI faught, that's absolutely true,
but that happened while I think my big takeaway from
this PC is I don't speak for the fans. I
could never imagine million in a million years imagining doing so.
But if I'm reading the tea leaves, it seems like
this event, Yes, it frustrated them, but it kind of
demoralized them to a degree. I mean, that's how lasting

(12:40):
this damage was while hurting Tom Aspinall's career. All the
while new criminal charges which his lawyer denies. And these
are just allegations, but they just sound eerily similar to
various other things that John Jones has done throughout the
course of his career. My big takeaway is BC, I'm
transported right back to twenty seventeen, asking him this question,

(13:03):
finally getting an answer, and the answer is he's walking
out of this organization, the exact same guy and the
exact same person he walked in. Congratulations everyone, you've just
now endured the John Jones experience.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well wow, wow, that's well said and also accurate. For
the record, this is a misdemeanor charge hanging over John.
If we can show the tweet Long Island Luke of
John's reaction or the cryptic tweet reacting to the allegations
against him, he put out a quote that said, keep
in mind even the media can get it wrong sometimes
if they don't have all the facts. Don't believe everything

(13:39):
you read online. Dana White was interviewed Sunday by Oscar
Willis about the allegations and asked if they're related to
his retirement, and Dana somewhat aggressively shot that down, said
people will probably believe that, but it's not true. And
Aaron Brown staided this morning tweeted out a statement from
Jones's attorney, Christopher Dodd, who said, quote, as John's lawyer,

(13:59):
I am stun by the Albuquerque Police Department's decision to
charge him in this new case. And the thousands of
cases I've handled in my career, I've never seen a
case is strange and unwarranted is this one. Jones was
not driving that night, He wasn't in the car. It
appears that an intoxicated woman used a false allegation against
John to avoid being arrested for DWI, and the police
fell for it. That's a portion of the quote, but

(14:21):
it's good to get that out there, because Luke, there
are so many layers to this story that it's insane. Yes,
the fact that there is something you know, criminal or
legal issue attached to this is the most John Jones
thing ever. And this is such a big topic that
we're gonna have two topics today, topics today to kick
off the show. So let's pause for a second on
the heavyweight division and all this meant you know for

(14:46):
that and where Aspinal goes next. But first and foremost, look,
I mean, I wrote a you know, aggressive column lambasting
both Jones and and Dana White and UFCNTKO for the
way this entire higher heavyweight rain of enabling has been
handled for John, and I did get a lot of
pushback from you know, pro UFC and Dana fans. It's like,

(15:08):
what's Dana supposed to do? They offered this guy record money,
they gave him a chance to think about, and he
turned it down. End of story. Let's move on only Luke.
Obviously it's not that easy because of all the unprecedented
levels of enabling that went into this. How this affects
every other fighter in the division, including aspinall and his
earning power. How this affects the look of the company

(15:30):
in terms of whether they do have their shit together
at twenty twenty five or not, or whether they're just
set up to be run on autopilot to continue to
extract value. So let's show first the split screen of
Dana just six months ago compared to the Dana that
we saw Saturday night announcing this news.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
John Jones behind the scene is not a guy that
turns down fights.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
Would you say, would you guarantee you one hundred percent
we see that fight?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, I'll say one hundred percent. John Jones called us
last night and retired. John Jones was officially retired. Tom
Aspinall is the heavyweight champion of the UFC.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Luke, I mean, there's no other way to say it.
The because this has gone on for over two years.
John won the heavyweight championship right after Francis and Gonna
left the company in early twenty twenty three against Syrolgan
in March. He gets injured. Shortly after he's out for
twenty months. Tom Aspinall wins the interim title in that

(16:30):
spot in November of twenty three that was supposed to
be Jones versus stepe The UFC then unconsciously not only
doesn't strip John, they don't force step A to fight
tom Aspinall. You know the story. We wait another additional
year for Jones versus steep A, three years removed from fighting,
forty one years old. And now it's not like this

(16:52):
is December first of last year. This is six months,
seven months later. We'll do the math seven months later
after John one in NYC at MSG and now he's done. Luke,
when you look at this, this is an embarrassing debacle
in my eyes, in which everyone deserves a good bit
of blame. How would you push back if you will?

(17:13):
And anyone that says this is the greatest fighter of
all time. It's his choice whether he wants to continue going.
He said, no, shut up, guys.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
I mean, these are people who don't think much about
the world, right. These are not people who are critical thinkers.
These are not people who have much to say that's
interesting at all. The people who would make an argument
like this probably will go along with what any powerful
person tells them about anything, because they're just vessels of

(17:43):
repeating those things. They're not people who can come up
with their own original ideas to a large degree. That's
the first thing i'd say. The second thing i'd say is, yeah,
you're right, he can retire. I don't care that he retired.
You know, we've been over this a million times and
again it's not one or the other people being like, well,
the UFC has a to play here. Fine, I'm absolutely
not in any way discounting that. But the reality is,

(18:04):
if you want to do listen, there are bigger issues
at play. These contracts that these guys sign are long.
John Jones is better suited for fighting the KSI's of
the world now than he is the Tom Aspinalls. To
be honest with you, I mean, KSI is a little
bit of an exaggeration, but you know, if he had the
freedom to go and fight like whatever he wanted to do,

(18:27):
and it wasn't necessarily other top fighters, but he was
contractually open. I don't think i'd have an issue with that.
I mean, I wouldn't be necessarily the top consumer of it.
But that's different. But he's been the champion. But of
course we see that it does go back to a
little bit some of these broader considerations. Can you get
the same money put on ther deal if you don't
have the belt, or if it's the belt is not
up for grabs in the UFC these there are some

(18:49):
larger contractual issues in the way which money is earned
in this organization that does bear repeating. But at the
same time, like the reality is very simple here, he
clearly articulated that he didn't have a desire to fight
the best. He hung on to the belt and more
to the point, we had to go through the kabuki
theater of his title defense against Steve A. Bochich meaning

(19:10):
anything at all. It meant nothing in the end. It
was just a cash grab. It was just that was
him going to the atm of the fandom and then
pulling cash out. There was nothing given of any kind
of substance whatsoever in return. And I'm supposed to honor
this as like some kind of grand achievement or give

(19:31):
back to the fans show of fucking hands who enjoyed
the heavyweight chapter of this guy's career, because I saw
the light heavyweight chapter that was highly enjoyable. In fact,
you see, if I may say something, this is kind
of like the really unfortunate reality of it all MMA
could have used, you know, like I was. For example,

(19:52):
I was around for John Jones's light heavyweight run and
that was you know, a moment in time. And also,
as you know BC, to make a big run through
a division, you need a big division to run through, right,
You need other names that are part of a story
that you can set up. And he was just kind
of perfectly situated to make that light heavyweight run in
the way he did. I saw that, and there were
problems with it at that time. Oh my god, there

(20:13):
were problems with it at that time. But at the
same time, MMA would kind of kill for something like that. Now.
MMA would be really benefited by something like that. Now,
not all the other issues, but you know, some young
on fire, Rising contender slash young Champion, just you know,
getting out there and doing something, or more to the point,
just somebody leaning into their own greatness in that particular way,

(20:37):
daring to be great even later in their career. He
doesn't have to, but a he wore the belt b
Man mma could have really used something much more substantive
at this point in time, and three we had to
go through this song and dance over irrelevant matchups that
he kind of tried to tell us were something meaningful.
He is complicit in all of that as well. It

(20:58):
was a gigantic waste of time. So my response would be,
you can't even listen to people like this because while
they may have more numbers than us and they may
have the loud shouting about it, they're just lemmings. They're NPCs.
They have no real ability to think on their own,
and anybody who does can realize at a bare minimum
BC the pictures a little bit more complex than that.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, I mean, it's embarrassing to me that the UFC
would allow this to go on for so long, enable him,
and then have it completely blow up in their face
because they gave for the first time way too much
leverage and glazing to the one guy that is, you know, yes,
the best fighter of all time, undisputable in my opinion,
also arguably the biggest you know what if story because

(21:42):
of how many headaches he's given them, being stripped of
a title three separate times, the UFC record for failed
drug tests or legal issues, the fact that the legal
issues have not stopped, it's pretty much on a set schedule.
The fact that they once moved a card during Christmas
Week from Las Vegas, California, after Jones failed the drug test.
So this was straight up enabling. How long did we

(22:05):
hear Dana White just lie to us John Jones is
the Pomper Pound number one today and anyone that says
something different, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. They
went to all that length only for Jones to double
cross them in the end. So first, let me play
here a tweet from Jones explaining his retirement that came
out a couple hours after Dana's press conference statement. Today,

(22:27):
I'm officially announcing my retirement in the US. See. This
decision comes after a lot of reflection, and I want
to take a moment to express my deepest gratitude for
the journey of everything I've experienced over the years. He
would go on to thank Dana Hunter, UFC and all
that Lorenzo, and he closes with, as I closed this
chapter of my life, I look forward to new opportunities
and challenges ahead. MMA is always a part of who

(22:49):
I am, and I'm excited to see how I can
continue to contribute to the sport and acquire our offers
in new ways. Thank you for being part of the
incredible journey. The best is yet to come. And from Jones, Luke,
I almost want a lightning round here where I ask
you questions and you give me relatively succinct answers. Okay,
did John Jones retire because of the legal issues because

(23:13):
he's straight up scared of aspinall because he never intended
to fight him? Or is gain a correct that this
is a change of heart after he agreed to it
just some six months ago.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Mostly all of the above to go succinctly, hear araj
want His reporting is that the UFC made a significant
effort to match whatever he was asking for, and that
he initially agreed and later changed his mind. If Erro's
reporting it, you can have whatever issues you want with him,
I've worked with the guy. If he's reporting it, it
is almost certainly true. I would believe that number one
second of all, was he scared to fight tom Aspinall

(23:45):
at the risk involved? Yes, I mean, do I think
he's abjectly afraid of tom Aspinall. I wouldn't even make
such a claim, but clearly he recognizes that there is
significant risk to it, and as a consequence, he just
didn't want to didn't want to deal with the risk.
What was the first part of the question, B See.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
What is this new allegation which is a misdemeanor. He
is saying he's not guilty. Does this factor in your eyes?

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah? Did a factor into his retirement? The timing seems
way too coincidental now, whether it was the reason, whether
it was the reason of the straw that broke the
Campbell's back. On the one hand, PC, you just saw
Sedric Dumah who was charged with felony home invasion and
they booked him to a fight. This is a misdemeanor
and John is to his credit, like every other person

(24:29):
charged with a crime, they are guilty until proven innocent.
So these are just allegations but at the same time,
you know, people are like, oh, he ran from again,
alleged to have run from the scene of a car accident.
You know he's done that before, and it's just a misdemeanor.
How big a deal is it? Well, first of all,
even if it's just that, it's a big deal. Also,
what I would say is the nature of the allegations.
And again they're allegations. But the allegations from the ABQ,

(24:52):
the police department, are that the woman had again for
whatever reason. I'm not making allegations, but I'm just trying
to recite the facts here. She had no clothes again,
no clothes off from the waist down. Last thing she
remember was doing drugs allegedly at either his place or
her place or together at some point, you know, and
then there's this alleged, you know, running thing again. They

(25:12):
also claimed that whoever was on the other end of
the phone made threats to the police. Now, to your point,
John's attorney says, this is all some kind of a
case of mistaken identity. I guess we'll see. But you know,
there's just too many things that rhyme here, and it
looks kind of bad and at a bare minimum. It's
yet another distraction. And to the point I raised previously, BC,
it just seems like this dude is not only living

(25:33):
a different life than the one that a fighter would live,
he's actually kind of in a way, living the same
life he's always lived, just a little bit more money
and a little bit more enabled along the way. It's
all those things.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
And apparently Accordnel Long Island. Luke, you said guilty until proved.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Oh, excuse me, I apologize, Let me go act and correct. Yes, no,
I was not being cheeky. I apologize, of course. I
don't want to mistate it. John is innocent until proven guilty.
These are just allegations. These are charges. No one has
proven his guilty in any way whatsoever at this point.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, this is all part of the story though, just
the same, without question, Luke, let's stay on this rapid
fire thing. You get people saying, look, don't you guys
see this. He just doesn't want to fight ask But
in all he's got legal issues. He's gonna step away now.
He's gonna come back when things change. He'll fight whoever
is the newest champion. Maybe he'll fight Poeton, Luke, does
John Jones Ever fight again in the UFC, he might.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
You know, people saying that Tom Aspin off if he loses,
which by the way, I'm not one of those guys
who believes that he automatically loses John does to Tom.
I don't believe that. There's a lot about Tom. We
simply don't know. But to that point, if Tom loses,
do I think he comes back. I do. If Francis
were to come back and they could make some super fight,
maybe that'd be interesting. Or if somehow the to your point,
the Poeton fight becomes some kind of renewed effort that

(26:46):
they could get behind. I think that they will. But
for the time being, yes, he is gonna lay low.
I doubt it's the last time you see him. Possible,
but I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
And look again, he could do what he wants, But
like retire after the Stepe fight. We would have ripped
him for three weeks, we would have gotten over it.
Aspinall would have been full champion. He probably would have
fought two or three times since then. But the fact
that he didn't retire then when he had these questions,
the fact that the UFC allowed it to go on
so long, there's blot on all of their hands right now,
And what a time for this to happen in the

(27:15):
midst of what we appear, what we think is the
final stages of negotiation with the likes of Netflix, Prime, ESPN,
whoever else for this new TV deal that they want
to get three times the valuation upwards of more actually
more than one billion per year. So it's all connected.
Let's see a tweet from a company man in Daniel Cormier,
but John Jones's greatest rival. Cormier went live on his

(27:38):
YouTube channel and said, by not stepping in the octagon,
John Jones quit, he didn't want to fight tom aspinall. Luke,
you already sort of answered that for yourself. Do you
think that's fair of DC to say?

Speaker 5 (27:53):
I don't know. I don't know. I can understand why
DC would say it. I can understand why DC would
say it. I just think, at again, we've kind of
beaten a dead horse at this point. He doesn't need
to fight Tom Aspital. But to the point you raised, BC,
if he had done this, fought Steepe, which was a
gigantic waste of time. I hope everyone can understand that now.

(28:14):
But had he done that and then did what George
San Pierre did after beating Michael Bisping, which was within days,
basically returned the belt. That still would have been extremely unsatisfying.
But this is what I mean about like demoralizing the
fan base. This was just dragging on and on and on.
I don't care that he didn't want to fight Tom Aspital.
I don't even think his logic about it is necessarily

(28:36):
all that problematic BC. If it is, you know what,
this guy doesn't have a huge fan base yet, and
he is very dangerous. Why do I want to risk
myself against that? I understand that, I actually don't think
that that's crazy, But then to just kind of hold
onto the belt and then while holding on to it
lobbying for another fight in real time. DC is going
to make a series of conclusions based on that. Other

(28:56):
people are going to make a series of conclusions based
on that. Everything goes back to the fact that there
was this wasted effort in this second weight class campaign
over and over again, delays with injuries, and then on
top of it, this rigamarole that's been taking place since November.
All of it leads to different conclusions BC, all of

(29:17):
them justified because none of this was necessary.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, aspinall becomes the longest reigning interim champion in any
division UFC history, and John was what fifty days away
from passing kine Velaskus for the longest heavyweight title reign.
Let's get one final piece of sound from Dana, who
caught up with Oscar Willis on Sunday, who had a
pointed question about John. Let's listen it. I'll just come

(29:41):
out and ask you do you think he's ducking until Aspinal.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
No, John Jones. I said it a million times. I'll
say it again. He's never ducked anybody other than that
one goofy time with the chill sounding thing. He's never
never ducked anybody. And you know, I think the reality
is whatever changed his mind with fight. I don't know,
you'd have to ask him that, but you know he's
thirty eight years old, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Do you think if you're someone on Alex Pereira he
would fight them?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
And it's maybe Tom that he.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
Specifically like, doesn't fancy the matchup, doesn't fancy the age difference.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know. I don't know the answer to these questions.
Only he does. You know, we had the fight done. Listen.
Our job is to make the biggest fights we can
make and the fights that the vans want to see,
and uh, that's what we try to do. But the
minute somebody starts talking about retirement, you know my philosophy
on that, you should do it.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, unless you're Habibe, by the way, and then we'll
drag that out for another year. Interesting stuff there, Luke,
It's all.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
I do think we should say BC because we're like, oh,
the UFC blaze plays a role here in how this
all went, and they do like, there's no there's no
way they do. But at the same time, you see,
it is a complicated picture because again I'm going to
I'm going to trust a Ariel's reporting and if Aero's
reporting is accurate, that they kind of made it perhaps
a historically unusual effort at giving him a substantial fight

(31:02):
person again, the specifics of which we're not totally clear on,
but a pretty big one. You know. Again, he was
underpaid through his whole career. I fully believe that. But
at the same time, don't you feel like they Again,
I no one wants to give the UFC credit right now,
and I understand that, but if they did make a
historically unusually high offer to him that deserves to be

(31:26):
noted in the record too, Is it not.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
He deserve credit for that, because that's where we've been
pushing them this whole two years, like pay that man
his money. So I agree with that, But it's the
by doing unprecedented levels of both glazing and enabling in
this case, and the only precedent I guess is the
fact that John's had this treatment his whole career, although
in between times when he was Dana's enemy. But by

(31:49):
doing that, they fed it up for everyone else around them,
the fans, their own financial bottom line of business decisions,
the heavyweight division at law, Tom Aspinall's career arc, all
of this like you know, collateral damage that it's like
you delayed the completely unnecessary Jones Meo Chip fight the

(32:10):
way that you did, and now to delay this in
an additional you know, seven eight months, and now we
don't even have the fight that also falls on you inevitably,
you never put that line in the sand and said,
all right, John, we need a decision, let's go. I
feel like there's too much at stake right now with
the TV deal with all that. Now, look I just
want to a final point I'm gonna throw to you.

(32:30):
But look, did I say that this was all a ruse?
We were getting pro wrestling taking advantage that we definitely
did that show. I did. But I don't take embarrassment
of that for being wrong, because part of that is
built up on the optimism that he couldn't possibly mean
what he's saying. The guy who's the greatest fighter of
all time, who if he really didn't want to fight Aspirall,

(32:50):
would have retired after gone when he got hurt, or
would have retired in the cage after beating Stepe. But again,
the fact that this was allowed to be stretched out.
I was almost protecting John and Dana with that type
of line of thinking of saying this is the only
way to justify why this is happening here, and it
turns out that wasn't even true. So Luke, final point here,

(33:12):
final question related to this, if there's any precedent. Look,
I get that, like what you're saying, John's the greatest
fighter of all time, he's a superstar. He's the rare
guy today with you know, pay per view backbone that
can bring in the fans. So I get that he's
going to get different in special treatment, and this was
You can't necessarily compare that completely to Jermaine Durandomi getting
stripped of her title after four months because she refused

(33:33):
to fight Cyborg or Nico Montano after she was hospitalized
in that bad weight cut in her first title defense
and got stripped. There's also let's not forget Lennox Lewis,
the all time great heavyweight champion who after his final fight,
that life and death war with Batali clitch Go, he
not only decided not to rematch clitch Goo, which the
fans were calling for, or fight Vladimir klitch Go, he

(33:55):
walked away. I get it. We don't talk about that
much today. We talk about LENNX Lewis being one of
the top five greatest heavyweights of all time. So, Luke,
with all that said, does this do anything to alter
John Jones's legacy in any meaningful way or will it
just be something maybe we bring up ten years from now.

(34:17):
But what we'll also bring up is he's the greatest
fighter we've ever seen. He's basically undefeated, and he did
win titles in two weight classes.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I mean, it's a great question. BC. I can't rapid
fire this one, but I'll make it succinct to say
the following. I have seen people try to downplay his
two h five resume, and listen, everybody who is an
elite guy Silva, Demetrius Johnson, Saint Pierre, John Jones, Jose Aldo,

(34:45):
they all have gimmes somewhere in their run, and they
all maybe have a gimmes as an easy opponents or
even during their title run. And they might even have
a couple of decisions that went their way that maybe shouldn't.
Hendrix over GSP over Hendrix, John over Domin, Yes, I mean,
you know, Demitrius Johnson over Michel Torres. You know what
I mean, Like, these are the things that probably shouldn't

(35:06):
have happened, but they did, and they all play a
part to a degree in their resume. But the reality
is John's two zero five resume. If you're asking, you know,
give me an example of what weight class dominance look like,
they just don't come much better than that. It's what
I said earlier. Bc MMA could really use John Jones
if he was actually giving a full throat an effort
right now, like they could use that. They could use

(35:27):
somebody who you know, has that kind of greatness and
that kind of commitment that he once had, but I
guess those days are long gone. So what I'm gonna
say is his resume at two o five is so
good that he's always going to be in the upper
echelon of discussion. What I think is interesting, though, is
because he is a two weight world champion, and because

(35:47):
there is such controversy and frankly almost venom for this
guy from the fan base and at a bare minimum
extraordinary disappointment, any conversation about John second weight class title,
I think is actually going to be something of either
a net wash where it doesn't actually boost his resume

(36:08):
and in certain cases might even harm his stock because
of how frankly undistinguished it was, not merely relative to
his two ZHO five run, but to any kind of
championship run. This is one of the worst runs in
championship history for any weight class in terms of like
what it means, did it add anything to a legacy?

(36:29):
How difficult was it? It's it's got almost nothing to it.
And I think that BC once you have like, okay,
let's make a list of the two weight world champions,
and now you're talking about what this adds to their legacy.
There is a strong case to be made that this
other weight class actually might serve as something of a
net distraction and a net reduction in overall how he

(36:51):
is reviewed.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
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Speaker 1 (38:47):
Topic number two is the UFC heavyweight fallout to the
John Jones decision. Luke I felt like Dana White had
the chance to be the hero after this bad news
delivered at the Baku press conference when he was asked
about a possible Francis and Gano returned to the UFC instead.
Minutes after announcing fans could expect double the amount of
Dana White contender series nights in their next broadcasting deal,

(39:11):
White quickly shot down any thought of aspinall versus in
GHANU by disparaging Francis's integrity. We're gonna play the video
and then I'll tee you up for your response. Let's
listen in on Dana right now.

Speaker 8 (39:23):
Francis says he changed his mind and he would consider
coming back to the UFC.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Would you.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Would consider coming back to the UFC if what one
thing I've learned over the years about Francis, Francis doesn't
always mean what he says publicly. What he says behind
the scenes are different than what he says publicly. I'm
not a big fan.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
I would be.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I would be shocked if if Francis ever came back
here on lots of different levels. I'm not a fan,
and he doesn't always mean what he says publicly.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Look, before I ask you this question, I just want
to make one thing clear here for people that are
coming after me. I'm not asking for a co promotion anymore.
I don't eve think PFL is gonna be around in
a year, to be honest, I think Francis has one
fight left on his PFL deal. John Nash thinks he
might already be out of the window of that deal.
So let me ask you this, who is actually benefiting
here from Dana White clinging to prior grudges? And how

(40:20):
big would it in Ganu return be if he fought
aspinall to repair that whole of this Jones aspinall, or
maybe even this Jones and Ganu fight not happening at all.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
It's a great question. So let me just say this.
As you indicated, folks have been like, hey, is Francis
even eligible? That is somewhat up to different legal interpretations.
As you indicated, John Nash, says, there is one interpretation
based on how the length of the contract has expired
or reached a certain threshold, I should say, so therefore
it's no longer relevant, certainly publicly. You heard mixed messages

(40:55):
from Francis I could come back. How do you know
I want to come back? You know who says I'm
leaving PFL, you know, kind of playing it?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well that weet real quick if you just flash that
and ganeo tweet up there.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Yeah, put that up on the screen if you can.
There long Island Luke, Did I ever say I'm coming back?
Right exactly? So he's played a little bit with that
as well. But to me, none of that is the point, right.
The point is not is he available? That's not really
what Dana said, although he kind of intimated it a
little bit like on a few different levels he'd be
surprised if he got back there. But what Dana basically
said is said there is without saying it, and we

(41:26):
kind of just know this is the way that he goes.
And he actually had said previously he'll never be back,
not at this press conference, but at another one when
ultimately Francis left for the PFL. The reason why the
question of whether he's even available isn't even the right
one is because the real question is what would be
the good faith argument in service of the fans' interests?

(41:49):
What would be that argument that precludes Dana White in
the UFC from even being open to the idea, right
because a he could still be you know, difficulty of
getting out right now and it's not really a relevant question.
Or be they could be open to the idea, but
maybe Francis wants, like, you know, some absurd number thirty million,
and they're just not going to give him that. Right.

(42:09):
But even that's not the point. The point is that
they're saying they're not even open to the idea. How
can you possibly look at the state of this division?
And they also said they wanted to make it up
to tom Aspinall. I can scarcely think of a better
way to make it up to Tom Aspinall and frankly
to the UFC fans more broadly and inject some life

(42:30):
into this heavyweight division than if possible, to bring Francis back.
But there's he is saying he's not even open to
the possibility of that. There is literally not a single
good faith interpretation of that in service of the fans.
Ask a basic question, which is what you did? Whose

(42:51):
interests are served by? I sing Francis out again, not
even entertaining the possibility of it. Is that in France's interest? No,
but you may not care about those. Is it in
UFC's interest? I would actually argue it's not not at all.
It doesn't service them even a little bit. And more
to the point, is it in the interest of MMA

(43:11):
fans and UFC fans specifically to not have the other,
by the way, the lineal heavyweight champion and the other
dominant figure frankly in the sport at this time in
that weight class, to have them together with Tom aspitall
perhaps the most exciting talent in all of MMA, who
also just happens to be a heavyweight. There isn't one.
There isn't an argument you can make in service of that.

(43:34):
It is absurd on its face. Now, BC, if they
try to make a deal and Francis wanted you know, hey,
I want green cheese on the moon, well what can
you do? But until we even get to that point,
this is not what business that actually has to compete
for your dollar would ever say something like this. This

(43:55):
is literally in defiance of their very own face and base.
What business that has competition breathing down their neck and
nipping at their heels would ever say we don't need
the lineal heavyweight champion of the world. Guys, people ask

(44:15):
me all the time, what are the problems with monopoly?
You're fucking looking at it?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah you are. And you know, no one's knocking on
the door in terms of UFC's MMA hold and power
and the number one slot unless they continue to do
stuff like this in my opinion, And look that John
Jones fallout here is embarrassing. It's it's ridiculous, it's disappointing,
it's everything. And then you package on this absolutely embarrassing
quote from Dana that makes it all about him. What

(44:43):
because Francis is not a good guy? John Jones, Connor McGregor.
We don't care about who's a good guy in this
business for the most part, right, We care about it
like they make money, can they make fun fights? Whatever?
It's showing you that this is some shitty p personal grudge.
Why And I've had so many people come at me

(45:03):
on Twitter in the last two days and be like,
how are you defending this guy? Francis, He obviously, you know,
tried to swerve Dana and lost. Well, I mean you,
first of all, it feels like he won because he
became a free agent. Kind of screwed PFL with that
big deal, but he made big money in boxing. And
I'm not here to try to put Francis up as
like the greatest person of all time. He's a human
being like all these people. But could Dana have fixed

(45:25):
this hole by saying, look, John made his decision, but
I'm available, my phone's open. I wouldn't be fully against this.
I mean they, I mean, like, good luck Tom to
hearing Dana say you know, we'll, we'll, we'll make it
up to him. Ask Tachi Palace how that worked for them? Okay,
please ask them. Here's Dana quickly on whether he regrets

(45:45):
enabling John Jones for two full years.

Speaker 9 (45:49):
Right here, just back to the Tom Aspin and John
Jones situation. Do you regret do you somewhat regret the
time that you gave John Jones to to make his
final decision that he took so long and the whole division?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Do I regret the time that I gave him? Listen,
if you look at what he's accomplished in the sport.
You know, No, no, that is what it is. I
I I obviously feel bad for Tom that he lost
all that time and obviously money, but yeah, we'll make
it up to him. Tom Aspernall is a good guy.
He's he's been incredible through this whole process that we've

(46:26):
gone through. He's been willing to do anything, fight him anywhere,
at any time and do this. And now he's he's like,
I'll fight anybody. You tell me who, and I'll fight him.
So Aspinall has been great. He's going to be a
great heavyweight champion for us, and I'm excited to work
with him.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
This is why the company's broken right now. And I
don't want to hear well, they're not broken financially, No,
they're not, because they're taking from you, the MMA viewer,
at every possible you know, stretch that they can. So
it's like John Jones does this to you, does this
to the company, does this to the fan baseball. We're
not gonna say aything bad about him, but Francis dared

(47:03):
to challenge your monopolistic, traconian contract system and crawl through
the shawshank pipe to get out and now he's the
biggest evil villain heel of all time, Like this is
this is embarrassing. Vince McMahon, for all his faults, would
not have done this. So, Luke Thomas, what do we
what is the heavyweight division going to look like moving forward?
Especially if in Gon who's not going to come in

(47:24):
to fill that super fight slot. Who is out there
that would interest you for a Tom Asminal fight? And
is there anything the company can actually do to quote
make it up to him.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
They could sign Francis and Ganu, you know you want
to make big? I mean how big would a Tom
versus Francis fight be? There's certainly a debate about that.
I don't think he'd be blockbuster in that sense. But
it's gonna be a lot bigger than him versus Gone.
It's gonna be a lot bigger than him versus Jalaton
al Mada. It's gonna be a lot bigger than him
versus Curtis Blades for the third time, or Kuneiev or
anybody else that thinks Sergey Spivak for however many times

(47:57):
they've already fought already.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I mean, it's like Tak the Tour of Tafa the
same night.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
That's yeah, you know, like maybe it's like Tom Asman
I was like five fights on the main card and
it's just Tom versus five Taper brothers. That actually would
be kind of interesting. But short of that, this is
I mean, it's specificly a common obviously BC because this
is simply where we are now. I want to be
clear about something. Even if they did sign Francis, we
all have to recognize that doesn't actually fix the problem. Now,
it would fix the short term problem quite a lot,

(48:23):
because you could get potentially two and this is getting
a little greedy, but you know, there's a world where
you could get three. But you could certainly get two
fights between them, and that's that's not enough to save
a division, but it's enough to make for a better
calendar year while other things can happen at play. But
once those fights are over, you still have this other
situation that we have. And I know, for example, One

(48:44):
Championship just announced today that they're gonna have rugg Rug
versus Anatolely mallikin for the second time. Either of those
guys could be signed to the UFC, and I think
that would be a benefit to them. You could get
the deem nemkov BC and I think that would be
a benefit to them. There are some other names out there,
and maybe long term Gable Steveson is a name you
could go after that you really wanted to would be available.

(49:05):
But like, this is the reality. The heavyweight division isn't
just a problem in UFC. No, no, no, it's a
global shortage of talent issue. That's the problem. And that's
why this reluctance to even entertain the idea of Francis.
It's like, how can you look at the state of
the heavyweight division, which to my mind, as someone who's

(49:27):
been watching MMA for a very long time, longer than
some of you have even been alive, how can you
look at the state of this division and say it's
in anything other than borderline ruin. You just lost its
biggest star, John Is, for all of the other problems,
far and away the biggest star, arguably the one of
the bigger stars in the company, obviously certainly at heavyweight.

(49:48):
He just walked or certainly on ice for the time being.
And you don't even have the like the willingness to
be like, Okay, what are some other great options for us?
Francis is at the top of that list, so asking
what can they do. One thing that Dana White said
at the UFC Baku presser BC and I saw a
lot of groans about it, which is they're going to
have double, potentially in the next television deal, double the

(50:10):
amount of Contender series fights. Now, if that is done
as a real way to comb through talent to see
what the diamonds in the rough are, I don't necessarily
have a problem with it. I don't know if that's
going to solve their problems or not, because another interpretation
BC could simply be that they want to have double

(50:30):
the amount of Contender series fights just to have double
the numbers of Contender Series fights to meet contract demands
for simply more content, right, which, in case, you're not
solving the problem at all. Also, somebody said something to
me recently who might have some idea about these matters
that basically anybody who used to be an interested in
American heavyweight isn't interested in anymore. The wrestlers aren't coming over,

(50:51):
you know, you're not getting the same kind of talent acquisition,
and you're just seeing a bigger focus on places where
the American dollar goes a little bit further over, the
ease talent, Russian talent, you know, Brazilian talent, where they're
willing to take you know, a ten and ten to
them might be still a decent to good financial deal,
whereas it's just not for an American heavyweight trying to

(51:13):
compete in this kind of American market. So the answer
is BC, everyone has a bit of an issue. It
just makes the reluctance and the repudiation of Francis and Gon,
who frankly incomprehensible and I'm going to say unjustifiable.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Well, yeah, not to mention that if in Goan would
beat Aspiral, I guess you'd be the first person to
be tweet and that they want to come back. John
Jones just a heads up on that. Well, now, look,
put out a poll to the people asking who they
want next for Tom Aspiral. Thirty seven percent went to
Cyril Gone and Tom is an early offshore book favorite
at minus three point fifty. Should they make that serial
gonfight thirty four percent wanted poets On, twenty three percent

(51:48):
Volkoff and five percent Blades and Luke. You mentioned that
good news for one championship that goes down November sixteenth
in Tokyo when one one seventy three gives a cole
main event rematch for the heavyweight title rug RUG against
Anatoly Mallikin and also superbond in the main event against
Musaki Nori. So check that out for one championship fans

(52:09):
out there, all right, that is topic number two. Let's
light into topic number three, and that is UFC Baku
Fight Night, which certainly for a Saturday afternoon card, did
give us a lot to talk about with that light
heavyweight five round main event. Luke, this was to decide
who's coming and who's going in that light heavyweight title picture,
and it turned out Khalil Rowntree Junior showed off that
evolution of his maturity following the title loss to Poeton

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by patiently picking apart former champion Jamal Hill en route
to three knockdowns and a wide unanimous decision victory that
was fifty to forty five on two of the three scorecards,
despite lusty booze in round four from the Baku crowd,
the thinning Baku crowd for the lack of action. How
impressed were you overall by thirty five year old Khalil

(52:56):
Rowntree's performance.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Pretty impressed, pretty impressed, not hugely impressed. But I don't
want to sit here and say I thought it was
some kind of let down. I don't think that's right.
I think actually, in general, it was good, commendable, and
otherwise serviceable. I did not walk away floored, nor did
I necessarily walk away with the feeling that whatever chances

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he had at getting a title surged, you know, like, oh,
I have renewed confidence beyond what I had seen previously
that you know, there's enough here to make me think
he can unseat the champion. I would not dismiss his threat,
but again, it didn't. It didn't change the way that
I had necessarily calculated the threat that he has. It's
a real, but I think somewhat remote threat, and I
stay in that place. Nevertheless, we had talked last week

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about what he was riding heading into this fight, and
we were saying, it's kind of strange that here comes
Roundtree off of a loss, off of a fairly brutal
stoppage loss in the way it actually finished, and yet
he's the one riding momentum into this. He's the one
riding you know, like high and renewed and with like
vigor and a pep and his step, and I did

(54:08):
think you saw some evidence of that. He hurt and
wobbled and rocked and battered to a degree. Jamal Hill
in not the first round, but in virtually every other
round he did that to him. He didn't do much
necessarily beyond that. Each round it was kind of weird, right.
We see there'd be these like clear, good, punctuated moments

(54:31):
where he would leg kick him and you would see,
you know, Jamal Hill try and get his balance, or
he got dropped a couple of times, and there were
flash knockdowns. He got up pretty quickly, but you know, memorable, punctuated,
dominating moments and then not necessarily a ton on top
of it. However, as he indicated in the post fight
pressor BC, he had said, listen, I wanted to make good,
smart decisions, get the W but also showcase you know

(54:54):
that I can win over the course of a long fight,
and I can make good decisions and not you know,
make mistakes. Fair Enough, I thought he accomplished that. So
it sounded to MEBC like the mission that he had
set out for himself he did, and that the confidence
that we had detected in him that he said he
had I think showed up. I just can't say, Wow,

(55:14):
I'm learning about Khalil Rowntree for the first time. I
feel like he is now turning in what I kind
of always thought he had in him. And it's great
to see, but not necessarily like blown away by it.
Still two thumbs up on a very quality performance.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
It's weird. It plays into some things that I have
an issue with round Tree, especially when he faces more
lead opponents, is that he doesn't throw enough strikes. But
in this case it worked perfectly because he worked from
the outside. He brutalized Jamal Hill's leg, and really what
he exposed with his constant stand switching was that Jamal
Hill in the orthodox stance right, they're both soft paws.
After Jamal Hill was forced to protect that right leg,

(55:55):
he just wasn't effective striking. He didn't have that base
to throw punches off of. He was only throwing one
punch at a time. So it almost leads me to
say this, look, you and I both picked Jamal Hill
somewhat confidently. As much as yes, I did see the
evolution of round Trees IQ in his mind, he didn't.
He wasn't there to be hit. There wasn't a point
where he just switched on the crazy brawling and gave

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Jamal Hill a chance. He won on his own terms,
But I almost feel like in the process it exposed
Jamal Hill more than it showcased Round Tree. And now
you've got everybody going, was Jamal Hill ever that good
to begin with? Or is that victory over a forty
somethingter Glover to Shera after they you know, tried to

(56:39):
find other people to fight for that title. Are we
seeing the complete limitations here on full display? I mean, Luke,
I got to get your take. How disappointing of a
performance was this from Hill, who didn't even really have
that urgency in round five when his corner was like,
you need to go in there for a ko. It's
still one punch at a time.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Dude, did you did you see that? Hill thought, So
he goes to his corner after the fourth round and
they're like, you know, he gives this corner. He gives
his cornerman a look whence cornerman's like, you know, he
might be up, and he was like, like, you know,
incredulous at the idea.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Same thing when they read the decision, he was like,
fifty to forty five, why yeah?

Speaker 5 (57:18):
And I'm like, and I'm like, dude, you know I
could see one round for him too, if you were
being like outrageously generous. But even that is like not justifiable,
and certainly fifty forty five was just a fible. I mean,
I think Jamal Hill's got a couple of problems, and listen,
here's the reality. And he might see this and get
mad because I think he just kind of does this thing.
But I promise you, dude, I I don't get any

(57:39):
joy out of getting out here and been like, oh
Jamal Hill perform bad. It doesn't I'm not out here
trying to score points or settle some kind of thing.
He's done nothing bad to me. I don't have any
ill will towards him, and I don't know if that's
gonna matter. He might get still get mad, but I
mean that sincerely, and I hope you see if he
does see this, I hope he sees this part of it.
I got nothing against the guy in anything beyond what
I'm just talking about here, but he does seem to

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me have two pretty big problems. The first problem is
the biggest one, which he just doesn't seem to have
the requisite self awareness and I think allowing himself to
be comfortable with the idea that there are things not
great about what he does, and like it's okay to
see yourself in a positive light, it's okay to big
yourself up. In fact, those are important and he should

(58:23):
do those things. But if you do it to such
a degree that you have a hard time engaging with
your limitations, how is it benefiting you? That's the first
thing I'm going to say. The second thing I'm going
to say is, guys, I mean, the reality is this.
If you want to be you know, if you want
your a skill to be your boxing both defensively and
offensively in mma, again, no problem. But if you're a

(58:44):
a headhunter, that's an issue. And b if you can't
really get it going because the delivery system that you
use to get into an out of position, which is
your footwork, is really holding you back. You know, you
just have to reflect on that and beyond honest about it,
you have to say the footwork is it's a problem
for him, man, it's a problem, and it's getting him

(59:05):
into trouble because it just he over commits. Dude, that
fight could have been much worse. I mean, the reality
is a lot of times what you see from from Hill,
Hill's got good vision and good reaction timing. He actually
has very good timing based on what he does. In
certain ways. You could see he was just a little
bit short with some of those counter check hooks over

(59:27):
the top, but his timing was there. The placement was
a little off, but the timing was there. He actually
is pretty good about that. But the reality is his
feet are often in the wrong place. Or what you
saw with YEARI Year, he would slip and then counter him.
He would turn defense into offense. Dude, round Tree let
him off the hook. There were many times Roundtree was
either evading big time or getting out of the way,

(59:49):
and you could see was loaded up for a huge
counter but played it a little bit safer obviously to
get the double, which I don't have a problem with.
But this is what I mean about Hill. Hill kind
of got to reprieve with that. He had nothing to
say about getting his leg battered other than switching stances,
but that didn't really serve his defense. His defense is
kind of low. One hand, his chin, one hand is
floating whereas Khalila has both hands you know up, his

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guard is up and around height eye level, and that
enables him to catch and then shoot a little bit better.
He just seemed like everything was tighter, smoother, more put together.
Because I think Khalil's probably spent a little bit more
time engaging with his shortcomings. I think he'll has some
questions to ask himself. I do think he has ability, yes,
but these bigger problems we see are holding him back.
And I don't think there's anything else you can take

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to the contrary.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
And it's like, I don't want to take away from
round Tree. It was a smart, you know, nicely executed win.
He adjusted, He made adjustments around four by starting to
throw those looping lead shots, and he was landing at
will on Hill. I just don't think that game plan
of such low output from Roundtree will work against most
of the Lead's light heavyweights. It just worked perfectly here,

(01:00:54):
probably because he battered that leg so early. But look,
it's like we both said, he'll just has more ways
to win. We think he's the better fighter. He took
that belief away from me, unfortunately. So what do you
make of Hill after the fight being incredibless about the
scores and then cornering Roundtree to the point where Herbding,
the referee, was trying to kind of get nervous, trying
to separate them, and essentially I think accused round Tree

(01:01:18):
of running or not engaging in what the TV cameras
picked up was round Tree said, you're not easy to read.
I have to protect myself. Again, that just seems to
fall into the like, Damn, Jamal Hill didn't just not
have it here, dude, he didn't have anything in this fight.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Yeah, and again kind of harassing your opponent after you
got you had twenty five minutes to do something about it,
and now you're a minute twenty six. You've got an issue.
It's just not This is not the kind of thing
champions can do, you know. And you could say, oh,
what do you know? Fine, disagree with me, but show
me which champions overtime? Mean, dude. GSP was a champion

(01:01:57):
because he was keenly aware of his limitations, because he
was keenly in tune with the things he needed to
get better at, and a guy who wasn't that keenly
in tune with his defense his shortcomings. At times, he
was but at times, most times he wasn't is bj Penn?
And look at the difference, dude, Look at the difference
and how uneven the results are for Penn versus a
guy like Saint Pierre. You can't say that Pen's not talented.

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But if you're not willing to look at the things
you're holding you back more honestly and more openly, then
they will continue to be the things that hold him back.
You're going to continue to have long looks and like
you know, surprised faces at decisions you don't understand, and
judges making reads you don't get. And of course, BC
you know the reality, you can retreat behind that. Oh

(01:02:42):
the judges did me wrong, Oh the fans don't understand me.
Oh it's me against the world. You can find a
place to hide in all of that, but none of
that is going to make you better. You simply have
to look at it. And I know it's not easy.
I know it's not easy if you're a prize fighter
to sit there and say I'm bad at this kind
of thing. But one thing I noticed, We see this
is a small other thing is I noticed because I
have the same problem, and although I work on it,

(01:03:03):
pretty actively. He's got super flat feet Jamal Hill, and
that just leads itself to all kinds of orthopedic injuries.
If you don't treat it, it's not to me no surprise.
You know that he had an achilles issue. I think
these things are all positively correlated. Is he doing anything
about that? This is what I mean, Like, there's just
so much that I think he's got something to build
off of that's real, that that that that's not a mistake.

(01:03:25):
He's got something to build off of there. But if
he's unwilling to look at the things that are holding
him back, I don't know how much more he can build.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, I think he needs to get in the best
shape of his life. You know what I mean to me?

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
In bad shape? Did he did you well?

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I thought in the picture we showed during fight week
that it was an improvement.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
But he's always got a little belly, but I got
a little.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Dadbod going, which isn't impossible for a light heavyweight to
have that, and you don't. And if that's not the
judgment zone between if you're good or bad, I just
feel like he's kind of hit a wall now. Not
only do I think bringing in maybe a new look
into camp, trying to round out his game. I mean
they had said on the air that him and round
Tree don't have a career successful takedown in the UFC.

(01:04:03):
I think some changes are needed, meant to be made,
and one of those might be let's get in the
best shape of your career and see what happens because
of that. See what that unlocks and opens up in
your game. What unlocked when this fight started was the
mass exodus from the Baku crowd at two am. Here's
the shot of a fan inside the arena here after yikes.

(01:04:40):
I mean that was live on ABC right there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
Bach.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
There were a lot of locals on that card, and
one of them who had a huge night was Raphael
Physive in that Coal Maine event. We said this might
be the best fight on paper coming in as Physive
at lightweight. Welcomed bahamondes Luke, who was looking in that
of course, for the biggest win of his career as
he was streaking coming in on a three fight win

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streak as Physive, although there were circumstances involved, came in
on a three fight losing skid, but at the end
of the day, thirty to twenty seven phasive across the
board against Ignacio Bahamonde, who did start to land some
shots in that third round, but he had a deal
with that trademark phasive elusiveness to get out of the
way of his kicks. Luke Faziv said after that second

(01:05:26):
Gae Chee loss, in which he took the fight on
six days, notice that you'll see the difference in his
next fight with a full camp. What do you say
about full camp physive and how he essentially just took
away everything that makes Bahamond's dangerous here in a shutout
decision win.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Yeah, we weren't sure how it was going to play
out because, as we indicated, there was a height advantage
for Bamondez as well as a reach. He had both
of those, which is bigger in boxing, bigger in kickboxing potentially,
Sometimes it's hard to know exactly what that means in MMA,
and that turned out to be one of these scenarios here.
I thought Theazi looked good be see and some of
the things that we had said about him, I think
in generally proved true. It's like, Okay lost twice to
Gai Chee, that's not great, but the loss to Gamrot.

(01:06:03):
You know that fight was still very early and he
was doing well on it before he got injured. You
basically only really lost to one guy, you know, Granded
three losses in a row, hadn't won since twenty twenty two.
But there was another sort of picture of quality there
and I think that showed up here BC. Once you
saw Faziv get the range and figure out what Bob
Mndez was throwing. You saw him kind of plant his
feet and then just get out of the way of

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stuff and then counter and he used his explosion speed
combination work.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
At times he kicks nice time takedowns.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Nice time takedowns. The reality is this though, it's like,
first of all four eve getting back in the win
column critical, Second of all doing it with you know,
a relative not not a huge amount, but a relative
amount of style. You know, there's a big a bit
of a confidence building performance, very very important. You know,
these are all critical things. But again, did that teach

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me a lot about exactly where he is at the
top of the division. No, it tells me he's definitely
still top five guy or you know, right around that
for me, But that Bob Moundes probably has a little
bit further to go. The issue to me was really
more about what I learned about Bob Munde's not so
much what I learned about physive and to me, like
for example, BC, like the thing I wasn't sure about
with Bob Mundez before this fight was he throws a

(01:07:17):
lot of stuff, and I wasn't sure how strategic it was.
Like he likes to be active, and then through that
activity things emerge, and then he likes to follow up
on them. So for example, he might throw one two,
it doesn't score, someone you know, rolls off, he grabs
their head and goes for it and knee right like
he just reacts to that knee based off of how
the situation unfolds. But Faziv denied that a lot. To him,

(01:07:41):
he never let him get going and as a consequence,
there was never anything to build. More to the point,
Bob Mundez just throws a lot of stuff to throw
without really thinking strategically about it. How many times did
you see him throw a spinning of different varieties of it,
but basically a variety of a spinning kick, never even
to the body. They can going to the head. This

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guy is built to plant his feet and lean to
get out of the way. Why are you spending three
rounds throwing kicks that are never going or highly unlikely
to land against a guy like this. It's a bit
of a fight IQ issue.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
There were shamming his jeb too.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
I think it wasn't even hardly. I mean there was.
I think the second round he kind of sat behind
it a little bit, but there's a lot of times
to your point, he's just reaching and that's fine. You
can probe with it, but you got to vary it
up too. He was just kind of just probing with
it the whole time. And this is what I mean.
It looked to me like, you know, it is physive
coming or going, is not Joe coming or going. And

(01:08:38):
it looked to me like mob Mondez still a lot
to be excited for, eager for the fight, does has
offense in a lot of places, but doesn't have a
lot of systemic thought given to what he's doing, doesn't
have a more organized game Phyzve does, and that you
can see what the difference looks like along with a

(01:08:59):
lot along with that foot speed and explosivity that he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
The guy that was had such a disadvantage in heightened length.
He never stopped moving, so full camp physive does matter.
He never gave him a solid target. And then the
fact that he makes.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
That's not true. No, that's not true. He moved a lot.
Now he go back and watch he moves a lot
in the first round, and then at various other places
you'll see him pick it up. But as that fight
gets longer, what you actually notice as Physive stops moving.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
The trunk movement though picked up.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Yes, yes, I'm sorry, Yes, I meant to say, he's
not like, you know, constantly going laterally, you know whatever.
He would stop and then get out of the way
and be just outside that range. And that's what kind
of frustrated me about bomb Monde. Is like you're measuring
him and then you're throwing these spinning kicks that aren't
even coming close. There's got to be a better way,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Absolutely, it was an experienced gap. Ultimately, in the end,
here is Physiv talking about what he wants next at
one hundred and fifty five pounds.

Speaker 10 (01:09:53):
In my mind, first one after this toll guy, he
is a then hookah, Yeah, he's he's the one more
tall guy, you know, and I like to fight with
tall guys, do.

Speaker 9 (01:10:08):
You expect the same war with because he also loves
the Quodi fights like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
You man, he's a man. Here's a man.

Speaker 10 (01:10:15):
He how many crazy fights he have and he deserved
one more crazy fights? And he he have a place.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:10:26):
I don't believe this place like when I'm lost to Gamera,
like I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
I don't.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
I don't lost that place. Really, you know, it's my injury.
And so this place now he hold, I won't take
it back.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Luke, I'd be down for him and Hooker.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
Let's do it. Sounds like a great bout. What is
there to dislike? Let's make it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Let's keep going down the car. There were twelve fights
in all, by the way, only two ended in a stoppage.
It turned out to be the third longest card in
terms of time and you UFC history in Baku on Saturday,
but Luke Thomas quickly on this matchup. We thought for
thirty four year old Curtis Blades it might be a
stay busy fight against pfl Alum and the debuting risvon Kuniev.

(01:11:13):
But dude Blades got lit up in this fight and
was almost not lucky but fortunate to come away with
a split decision win. Is he on the wrong side
of it? At thirty four? What happened here?

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Well, I think he tore his MCL Is that and
that what he said?

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I did not hear that part.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
Then, Yeah, he injured his knee and he was just
trying to survive out there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
I remember he said that, Yes, he said that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
So if that's true, then I think I can look
the other way because I still think highly of his ability.
And his movement was weird, and I'll be honest, I
thought Koneyev won the fight. But if it really is
an injury, that explains it. And again I'm saying, if
I don't know for sure, I'm taking his word for it.
But to the extent that that's real, I still think
Curtis Blade. I still think he's got I mean, he's

(01:11:54):
got known weaknesses, right, it's not like a thing we've
never seen before. But BC, I still believe his ability
to do well if need be against good opponents.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
All right, let's talk about Mike to bec or Abali.
Did I say that correctly?

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
I think it's Mike tebec or Mick tebec oral Bi
or by thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
He takes on another debutante in Tofique Musayev, who has
a who was on a great run and certainly has
a respectable background coming in. Look, this was a dominant
first round submission win. But I think or By missweight
by something like ten pounds, so or By coming off
that absolute brawl with Rebetski that was insane, but he

(01:12:33):
lost it. Now he looks like a killer in a future,
a future killer, Luke, how much do you take away
from the weight mess?

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
Ten elude? Ten pounds for oral bony.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
They agreed to a catchwight like at the last minute,
so like it might have been on Oralby's end, but
he technically didn't missweight.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
It was I was gonna say, I didn't understand it
in those terms either. I tell you what, dude, he
looks pretty fucking good. He looks good, dude. That that
I mean. Tovik Masaia is a hammer limited and like
like all guys are, but oral By just took the
fight right to him, made a good decision. It's like,
I'm not even gonna I'm not gonna strike it out

(01:13:14):
with this guy longer than I have to. And he
does strike it out with him some obviously, but then
takes him down establishes the threat, he gets back up,
takes them right back down and like again. He's got
a variety of these takedowns that are all looked out
pretty good. And do the way he passed from half
to side, stepped over the head. I'm telling you, folks,
once they step over the head, it's a fucking rap.
And he got it and had that guy screaming in pain.
And he did this in the first round. Dude, Mike

(01:13:36):
to beec oral By. That's a name to pay attention to.
He looks like the real deal. Oh yeah, oh yeah?
Is there any question about his courage in the pocket zero?
So keep an eye on him. I like what I'm
seeing from him, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
The Ray Longo and John Wood trained and Marob devosh
Villi teammate Nazim Sodakov had a hell of a performance
in an absolute war, improving to eleven to one and
one overall four zero to one in the UFC, taking
on a very game Nicholas Mota with Rashon Evans in
his corner and after two action packed rounds we had

(01:14:11):
a brutal knockout. How bright is Sodokov's ceiling? Now? Moving forward?

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
I think that his ceiling is I don't know, I
don't know. I'll say this, that was the best fight
on the card. It was thrilling, and I was so
impressed with his surviving, his survival ability. And dude, you
notice the rampage roles he was doing right. You're you're

(01:14:39):
supposed to grab behind the head, but you can just
kind of go to the ear if need be. You know,
you see that in the first round when Mota is
like just just just hauling off on him, dropped him,
seemed like for a moment, he recovers, then puts it
on him, and then finishes him off in the second.
You know, it's hard to say exactly what the upside
of something like that is. But you know, if you
had any question about his metal, if you had any

(01:15:01):
questions about his durability, if you had questions about what
kind of bearing does he show under fire, a bunch
of those got answered. And that's all part of a
bigger piece of the puzzle. We need to see some
of those other pieces, but as far as those are concerned,
check approved.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Yeah. His only blemish is an all action draw with
Slava clause Boreschavs. So he's really coming together he's got
a great team behind him Long Island. Look quickly, we
got a loaded show. Anything else on that undercard that
you and I were watching in the a row with
Gaff on Saturday in the mid by.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
The way longest twelve round fight card in UFC history.
Twelve fight card, you mean yeah, I mean there's been
longer fight cards before a card that had twelve. This
was the longest.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
I want to give a shout out to Sek Young
Coo for upsetting Oban Elliott.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
I feel like no one was really on dude thirty
twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
He looked good on the ground, those wrestling exchanges and shit,
But uh yeah, this card was pretty bad.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
I don't know it was ass right it was, but Cheeks,
it was really good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
I gotta say, dude, I thought, you know, we've kind
of been over already. But it's just worth mentioning because
I do those watch alongs, so I have to turn
the volume down. I don't wear an earpiece. I have
a speaker right here BC outside my monitor, and so
I have to turn it down so I can barely
hear it, but I can hear at least enough to
absorb the bigger points and it seems suspiciously quiet. And
then I went back and I listened afterwards, and I

(01:16:20):
was like, no, it wasn't. It wasn't my how low
my volume was. There just wasn't a crowd. It was
in well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
They also had crazy audio issues. It would go out
for two seconds randomly all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Yeah, yeah, espn.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
I mean, I mean it's a debuting crowd. We also
had a lot of bissing on that broadcast.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
I mean, he is chatty, He's chatty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
God, all right, Luke, we got to keep this show
move in ten minutes away. By the way, from special guests,
Brian Norman Junior, the unbeaten boxing welterweight champion under the
top rank banner who's going to slide in following his
breakthrough victory. Let's get into topic number four Brian Norman
Junior on the way, but let's talk a little bit
of boxing right here. Canelo Alvarez and Terrence Crawford, they're
gonna throw down September thirteenth on Netflix Allegiance Stadium in

(01:17:03):
Las Vegas. The first I guess fully promoted zoofa boxing card,
although that was the co promoter for Mayweather McGregor, and
we've seen Dana of late with Tom Loffler in company,
but this is much bigger. Two of the three stops
on the Global Press Store took place in the past
few days, the first one in Riot on Thursday, and

(01:17:24):
on Sunday at the Fanatics Fest in New York. We
not only had an appearance from Dana White, Dana announced
that Max Kellerman would return to boxing, would be on
the call. He also spoke at the press conference, and
then you got Turkey tweeting not a picture of Lampley
and Kellerman, which is teasing who could be calling that fight.
But Luke, we learned a lot. I think we learned

(01:17:46):
a lot from these two pressers. Some of it was weird.
There was a lot of Turkey involved. But what were
your biggest takeaways for a fight that's being billed as
the biggest in a decade. Now that we have seen
Canelo and Crawford face off twice, talk a little bit
of trash. In fact, let's show the video of the
face off on Sunday and then we'll get Luke's reaction.

(01:18:07):
Here Bud did rush up against Canelo. You can see
the size of Bud right there, he's bulking up. Then
you get a Canelo push. Some people were saying, oh,
they're laughing, it was a chummy push. Other people are saying,
look at the intensity in Canelo's face. Dana was loving it. Luke,
what did you learn about this fight from the two

(01:18:29):
stops on this press tour?

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
One more to go? As you indicated, I would say
I have mixed mixed feelings about it. Uh. On the
one hand, as you indicated, great to see Max Kellerman back.
I think he can only add gravitas and make the
broadcast better. So happy to see that he's back and
getting some work. I mean, he was definitely out there
simping for Turkey and Dana, which is funny because I've

(01:18:51):
heard him speak about UFC pay before. But I guess
oll'swell that ends well, Oh dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
He called Dana the greatest promoter of his lifetime and
he was gaglin on Turkey. But that's his new boss, Luke.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Yes, I mean they're they're cutting the check, so I
guess they get to see how you tap dance for it.
But in any case, I do think he's gonna be
great for the broadcast and I'm glad to see him back,
So that's cool. I'm glad they're doing a media tour.
I think that's good. It definitely seems like some people
are getting hyped up because of it. That can only help.
But I just can't help but feel like with all

(01:19:22):
the money that's going into it and all the promotional
effort that's going into it, I appreciate they're doing a
lot of promotion for it. They put out this new
Goats podcast, you know what I mean, They're doing a
multi city tour. They're just talking to the press everywhere
they go. They were at the Fanatic fan Fanatics Fest
whatever it's called in New York City, that big convention.
You know, they're out there making the rounds, and I
think that's all going to be a big deal. Being

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on Netflix can only help. But as you indicated to
me to BC, you know, you heard Turkey kind of
apologize to a big executive at Netflix during the course
of this press tour stop, which I thought was you know, basic,
essentially confirming the reporting on this that like Nick Kahn
had to rescue it. My biggest takeaway, BC, is I

(01:20:03):
appreciate that this fight is happening. I appreciate the money
that they're putting into it, and I also appreciate the
work that they're putting into it. Going on these press tours,
they look nice, engaging with the fans, engaging with the media,
getting people excited about it. Two thumbs up for me
in general on that. On the other hand, BC, I
can't quite get rid of this nagging feeling that it
all feels a little forced. The push feels a little forced,

(01:20:27):
the matchup feels a little you know, I'm happy for it,
but it doesn't feel like the natural fight for frankly
either of them. It's kind of being thrust together that
their beef, you know, they were seeing eating with each other,
and then the boxing world got bitter and now they
had that push, you know what I mean. Like, so
it sounds like I'm just being a hater and a complainer,
I promise I'm not. I'm excited about September. I'm excited

(01:20:48):
about Max Keller, but I'm excited about this fight. But
do you get the nagging feeling that it's just a
little like some part of it just doesn't feel organic.
They're trying to force it, and some of that just
isn't quite clicking for me, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Can understand that. And as you said, it was interesting
to hear Turkey confirm that it took Nick Con to
save this fight being on Netflix and talking Turkey into it.
And then he apologized to Bella Netflix as he called
there the CEO there and basically said, sorry, but I'm
doing this on Netflix because of Nick Con. Only that
was interesting. Let's pause this discussion because we do have
a very special guest coming in and I'm talking about

(01:21:23):
the twenty four year old on beaten WBO welterweight world champion.
They call him the Assassin two, Georgia's own Brian Norman
Junior on Morning Combat. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
All right. The intro, I like the intro.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yeah, get fired up with us right here, four days
removed from going to Japan and spectacularly knocking out Jin
Sasaki with a left hook from hell, hitting his head
on the canvas. And boy, do we have a lot
to talk about your future, but I want to talk
about the past. Where did you come from? You seem
to drop into boxing, you became a world champion. You

(01:22:04):
look like a finished product at age twenty four. I
know you've been grinding for years, but I look at
you as a refreshing addition to not just the welterweight
scene but American boxing. Welcome Brian Norman Junior.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome.

Speaker 11 (01:22:17):
But I am not a finished product at do you
want you to know that?

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
This was just me introducing myself to.

Speaker 11 (01:22:23):
The whole world there in Japan as well, shout out
to Jessisaki.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
But things had to be done.

Speaker 11 (01:22:29):
I had to keep living my legas they and making
a name for myself.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I mean, just twenty four years old right now, you've
improved that record all the way up to twenty eight
and oh with twenty two. KOs So let's start right here.
What are you bringing in your eyes to the welterweight
division that is not there? What makes you special among
the elite at one forty seven?

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
The playing old love of the game.

Speaker 11 (01:22:52):
A lot of people now I don't see the real deal,
love of passion and just straight up throwing hands at
the end of the day, that's what boxing is about.
You got guys over here saying, look at my clothes,
liquor what I got on. You got guys over here
saying a whole bunch of just unnecessary stuff. I don't
care about what you're driving, I don't care about what
clothes you're wearing. I don't care about the women you around.
Can you throw these things? Put your dukes up and

(01:23:15):
let it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Let's lay down.

Speaker 11 (01:23:16):
That's all I care about. And a lot of guys,
you know, they not on that. A lot of people,
not real deal world champions. They get their belts and
they go home and they try to protect it right
there in their little pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
No, I'm a world champion. I'm like throwing Manila.

Speaker 11 (01:23:30):
I'm like all of those great fighters in the past
that fought everywhere. Marvin Hagler, ELEMENTA fighting in the UK,
shoot cal brookn Aerospence UK once again. So it's fighting
worldwide instead of just fighting right here down the street,
around corner on the block, you feel me. So I

(01:23:50):
am trying to show up everybody. I'm a true world champion, Ryan.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
So let's talk about that left hook that polished off
Jen Sasaki. He jabs you excuse me, you jab him
to the body. Then he wants to get it back
for some reason and jabs you to the body. And
then you saw it there? Did you were you baiting
that left hook? Did you know he was going to
react that way. Talk me through how that ko happened.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I knew exactly what he was going to do.

Speaker 11 (01:24:15):
And as you started the day before, I was sizing
up Jin and I seen he look he look up
to me. I don't know if it's my energy or something,
whatever the case may be, but I seen that he looked.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
He looked up to me. He look at where.

Speaker 11 (01:24:29):
I am at, you know, guarded being a champion, how
to carry myself or something. And we'll taking pictures at
the weigh ends. I would literally see him look over,
see what I'm doing, and do the exact same thing.
So I knew for a fact he will copy me.
So in the first round, I peaped this game playing
off the top. Jab to the body. That was his
whole thing. Jab to the body. I seen when he

(01:24:50):
come back up, his hands is down. He's not a point.
He's not ready. I said, okay, cool, I can use
that to my advantage. You know, surely enough, phifth ROWND
came in, he got away from the game. Plan was
a jab to the body, and I done found myself,
you know, found a rhythm, found a range, and boom,
I jetted to the body just remind him. So he
coppied me and he went right back to the jazz

(01:25:11):
of the body. He didn't even wait on it, he
didn't faint anything. And then of course he came right
up into it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
And you see, I was ready.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
When you hit him. I often hear from price fighters
when when a clean KO shot lands, they can barely
feel it, even though it's super powerful, because it's so
the transfer of power is so fluid. Did you feel
the same. Was it just the cleanest shot you've ever landed?

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:25:34):
Yeah, this it felt like I just swallowed the fly
something like my hands just flew through him.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
And I will say it was a It was a
scary visual.

Speaker 11 (01:25:42):
Because if you watch the fight back, I was locked
in on him the whole time. So after I hit him,
I'm still looking at him. He was standing up with
his eyes closed. I'm walking towards the corner. I see
him falling back. I see his head hit the mat.
And now I know that's not that. That wasn't right.
You know, I heard that loud bang. I heard everything
about it. Gladly, you know he's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
Now, did it scare you a little bit when his
I think it was his coach or his corner was saying,
he doesn't remember the last six weeks. I mean you,
I mean that's a that's a devastating punch you landed. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
She just gave me before that.

Speaker 11 (01:26:18):
So after all the uh, you know, bound and celebrating,
I was doing, Uh, I've seen him a lot of stretching.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
I'm thinking, Okay, you's gonna wake up in a minute.

Speaker 11 (01:26:27):
I take my gloves off. That took a good little minute.
I'll turn around.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
He's still sleep.

Speaker 11 (01:26:32):
So that's when it started setting in. Okay, this really
this ain't a regular knockout. This hey, it's one of
the ones. So I would definitely wear it at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Brian, when you delivered that knockout you I didn't think
you could do better than that until you got in
the post fight interview and really gave a nice, uh
sort of cryptic I don't call out or a slam
over at unbeaten drawn boots, and that's a fighter, the
former unified walterweight champion that you have a lot of
respect for, who just announced the move up to one
fifty four. You said he put on his boots and

(01:27:05):
run basically, but I feel like boxing Twitter's like hold on,
didn't Brian Norman turned down one point seven million to
fight Boots that one time? Could you give us the
true story of what happened here? Did you have a
chance to fight Boots? What went on?

Speaker 11 (01:27:20):
So now with that, they was trying to downplay who
I was and who I am and trying to low
ball me. So even with the one, we do like
that number. But it's over that, Philly, so you can
We're gonna give you two options. You can either move
the fight over or you can moti fight right there,
a bump out the numbers a little bit. They said
no to both said okay, cool. Then a few months

(01:27:43):
later they fight and what's my dude name? Stanionies and
they gave him the best of both words. They gave
him more money plus moved to fight over. And a
lot of people like to try to say, but it
was my biggest paycheck. I to you, you better sept
whatever they give you. Stanionis got paid. Let's and I
did in my previous fight before that as well, So
how does he get paid more to me? And the

(01:28:06):
fight bumped over? Okay, that ain't making no sense? All right, cool,
We're gonna let all of that slote. We're gonna let
all of that slide. They came back with a second
fight and we said, cool, we can fight. It was
right before this fight. This fight was already signed then
Ashley the official. But they said, we wanted you to
sign a contract before this fight, before the fight, before

(01:28:30):
the fight day.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
And we said, no, we can.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
We can.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
We can sign a contract.

Speaker 11 (01:28:34):
We can talk about the contract literally right after the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
I fight June nineteenth.

Speaker 11 (01:28:39):
We can make a we can make a call, we
could talk to each other literally right after the final bell.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
They said no.

Speaker 11 (01:28:44):
They said I'm duck and they said this, and they
said that, okay, cool. But while y'all move up literally
the week of my fight, why did y'all literally move
up the day before my fight? At that that's when
the boots made the post. It was like were supposed
to fight after this.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
I never said no.

Speaker 11 (01:29:01):
I just said, can I get done with this fight first?
There we can make something happen. I don't know if
y'all remember David Hanging and Ryn Garzi was supposed to
run it back, but they not because he lost to Rolly.
He wasn't focused on the task at hand. If you
remember the whole bit up to the fight, they kept
they ain't really care about Ryan versus Rolly or Devin
versus Ramirez. They were just going Devin versus Ryan, you know,

(01:29:23):
already predetermined what's gonna happen, and we've seen something happen.
Then you got Caleb Plant versus Charlo that's supposed to happen,
but his eyes wasn't on the prize. He was focused
on Charlo instead of hoods in front of him, and
we've seen what happened with that. So we're not trying
to do the same as focused on fight by fight,
I'm in the wrong. But when everybody else do it

(01:29:43):
and they lose, now they try to down talk them
and this that and the third. Hey, he's just me
learning from my peers. That's all I'm doing. It's the
reason why I came out there two weeks earlier to Japan.
What's gonna do with that cool boy Steph? He went
there the on fight we and we've seen what happened
with him in his performance. I pretty sure that wasn't
him at his best, but he did. He didn't take
the proper precautions or whatever I did. I'm doing everything

(01:30:07):
I was supposed to. I'm taking everything fight by fight,
time by time.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Day by day.

Speaker 11 (01:30:11):
So when we're sitting here right now, what's the day
Jones twenty third were supposed to fight after this, we
can still make that thing happen.

Speaker 4 (01:30:19):
I just want to let that be known.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Well, I certainly can understand, and I think that's whise
the way you're operating on a fight by fight basis
and giving that respect to your opponent. After Boots announced
the move up to one fifty four, I did see
an interview with him where he said, doctors looked over
his body stats and found that he's only operating at
thirty to forty percent of himself at one forty seven.
How do you respond to that? And let me add

(01:30:43):
on the back end of that, do you think he
could have made one forty seven one more and fault you?

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
I got a question for you. I got a question
for you. Pulled the panel back up, theah, go pull
it back.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Look.

Speaker 11 (01:30:52):
I got a question for you. What does a doctor
chick like? What test do they run to say at
one foot to seven? You not performing that? You only
matter of fact and give you an estimate. You only
perform that thirty or forty percent.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
What do they check?

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I never heard that before.

Speaker 11 (01:31:09):
I don't think that's a Look people, it sounds amazing. Yeah,
my doctor said, so now it's off you. A professional
stated this, So it's a it's a it's a real
deal thing that happened. Man, Forget all that. All those
doctors and everything. They just like us, they be googling stuff.

(01:31:30):
They be Look, I've seen it. I've seen it firsthand.
Somebody googled what to do and in my face. So
just because they are so called professional things of that
nature don't mean nothing. But also even if they're professional
things of that nature, don't pass for it. And then
all of that, what do you check to know that
you are only performing at thirty or forty percent?

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
I want to know. I really didn't want to know. What.
What test did they run? Do your blood say something?
I don't. I don't believe your blood say anything? Like what?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
How?

Speaker 11 (01:32:00):
And now if you say you're a nutritionist said this,
I'll probably give you a pat because you know, they
saying you ain't eating enough of it something like that.
He didn't say, it's nutritions, he said. His doctor said,
And he gave an estimate on how much he said
thirty or forty percent?

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
How that make sense? What test did they run? I
want to know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
Let me go tasting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
I want to get that too.

Speaker 11 (01:32:21):
I will get how good am I performing at the
SAIFO I need to go up, will go down?

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Lately you have been for performing at one hundred and
forty seven percent, it seems. Let me ask you this.
If Boots is gone now there'll be two belts up
for grabs. But the other title holder in this division
in the WBC is Mario Barrios, who has a fight
coming up July nineteenth on PBCTT pay per view against
forty six year old Manny Pakiao. How do you read
that fight? What are your thoughts on that? Now?

Speaker 11 (01:32:51):
It's a hard one to read simply because of course
Mario Barrios is a great fighter, but also man.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
I packyall got them cavs muscles there.

Speaker 11 (01:32:58):
I know he got bricks in them rus So in
here legend, so anything is still possible. I know if
he laying one, it's gonna do some serious damage. I
mean we've seen he the only one that beat the
one time Keith Thurmy, So we've seen what he could do?

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
What if you do it again? So we never know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:17):
Yoh, let me see your your left hand, Brian, you
got stitches or skip? Yeah, what happened there? Sure?

Speaker 11 (01:33:24):
I got I got them on both hands. Actually that's
the crazy part.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
Wow taught me through that she broke broke.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Both of my hands.

Speaker 11 (01:33:31):
I gave my I gave a box of game, my life,
real this and seven years old.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
So I broke literally both hands.

Speaker 11 (01:33:37):
So that's also something else I've been going through in
my pro career also. So now and you see with
my past fights or whatever, my past few fights, I've
been on point because now I got both hands and
I'm able to operate and remember the train I was
supposed to train. Literally at one point, I couldn't push
ups how I wanted to. I couldn't hit the bag,
I cut it far.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
It was.

Speaker 11 (01:33:57):
It was a lot of stuff that I literally couldn't do,
all because my hand injuries. And of course with the
attitude that I got, it was like I'm still fighting,
I don't care about anything. So but it built a
whole lot of character. I mean, it's hard to go
out there to Japan and in in the territory, it's
not just in another state, in a whole other country

(01:34:17):
and still put on the performance that I did.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
So it taught me a whole lot of character building.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
Uh, let me ask you about the state of American boxing.
How would you describe the health of boxing in the
United States? And if there is a problem, what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Soft? That's how I describe it.

Speaker 11 (01:34:35):
Everybody is just self and I ain't even gonna say soft.
I'm gonna say a whole bunch of fakers. Everybody a
whole bunch of characters, everybody not being who they truly are.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Like boom, I'm out here doing the interview.

Speaker 11 (01:34:47):
If I get off this interview, I'm talking to exact
same way, doing the exact same things. It's because this
is me, this is who I am. You asked me
all these same quarters. A year later, they're gonna be
about the exact same because this is just who I am.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
I am who I am. That's it.

Speaker 11 (01:35:03):
A lot of people they seen FLORYD Mayweather and they
seen how he did what he did, so they try
to copy and paste the same exact thing he did.
They don't realize that worked for him. That's his recipe,
that's his blueprint.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Let him have that.

Speaker 11 (01:35:17):
Let him bake his cake and watch it make magic.
But are these other guys they more so forcing it.
I know they're not being themselves, and it's just like
they are being over a disrespectful just because that's what
sales fights. That's what dud know, your performances, what sales fights.
That's what's in my book.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
Are you putting people to sleep? Are you being entertaining?

Speaker 11 (01:35:37):
At the end of the day, I don't care if
I saw a windmill or batcan or slap.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
If I put somebody to sleep, y'all gonna love it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Where are you now? Are you still in Georgia?

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
Yeah, I'm back in Georgia now?

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
Yeah, well you you're from Decatur. Yeah? What high school
did you go to?

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
Now? With the MLK Martin Luther King Junior High School?

Speaker 5 (01:35:57):
Okay, right, I went. I went to Mariota in Valdost,
so you know, I know a little bit about that area.
All right? Hey, how much How long before you're headlining
at Nationwide Arena in Atlanta with a big fight? How
long before that happens?

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Soon? Probably soon? I mean I'm doing my thing, y'all
see it. So I'm going globe.

Speaker 11 (01:36:18):
But now, now, it's trying to take it back a
little local, a little bit, you know, have a little
homecoming or something. I mean, that would be a blessing,
that would be good. But we shall see what was
next one.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Well, Brian, you're the assassin to your father, Brian Norman,
the assassin one, a former pro himself. Did he come
out of retirement earlier this year at forty six for
a comeback fight? What is that like for your dad
to be still in the game like this?

Speaker 11 (01:36:43):
Scary? That's exactly what is it scary? Because once again
he was forty five at the time. Forty five ain't
did a push up for nothing in like ten fifteen
years probably, so it was very, very scary. But the
boy bad, I see exactly right. I hope I got
it from.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
Shoot.

Speaker 11 (01:37:00):
He is out there doing his mouths everything without me
telling him. He's doing his mouth hitting the bad jump,
roping this, that, and the third eating, eating right, eating
old point at the at the drop of a dime,
he was on it. So I see a zacho where
I got all of it from.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
And it was a joy to see.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Congratulations to your pops right there, former light heavyweight and
super middleweight maybe not former anymore. Let's close with this.
Uh we thought welterweight was a division that needed some
big names. You're establishing yourself. Boots is gone, but all
those young kids seem to be slowly coming up now
that they're becoming grown men. The Haines tail femos, Ryan

(01:37:36):
Garcias we got rolly making big news. If you could
pick the next opponent right now, who would you pick?
Who do you have eyes on to continue to make
your name at one forty seven?

Speaker 11 (01:37:48):
I say, besides that WBC Bill, whoever wins that fight?
I say, Roy, he also got a built, so it
gotta bet him. I mean, why would I give one
of those other guys a chance when they don't even
got a built?

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
It is there, It is all right, get a belt,
Haney and then call Brian Norman Junior or whoever else
George George's finest the WBO Walterway Champion twenty eight and
oh with twenty two KOs Brian Norman Junior. It's been
a pleasure to get to know you a bit. We're
big fans. We can't wait to see your return.

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
I appreciate you, boss man. Y'all keep doing y' all time.

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
Man, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Brian right there from the champ Brian Norman Junior.

Speaker 5 (01:38:26):
Yeahs BC, I gotta I need like sixty seconds. Whale
has got an emergency. I need to go attention.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
You can't get me.

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
I think I can solve it very fast. I'll be
right back.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
All right, Let's get back into what we were doing.
Looking back at what we learned from the first two
Canelo Crawford press conference states that first one in read
last Thursday yesterday in New York. I do hear what
Luke said. There were elements about it that were very forced.
But you are taking a fight which is important in
my opinion and all the combat sports that every once

(01:38:57):
in a while you got a program to the masses.
This is certainly that fight. Only it's not a joke fight.
It really has legitimate history at stake with what Crawford's
trying to do. But there's a lot of Turkey involved,
there's a lot of other elements involved. Let's show some
footage here from Thursday where Turkey is continuing this Tom
and Jerry no running threat that felt pretty serious in

(01:39:17):
the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
Start.

Speaker 6 (01:39:20):
As I said last week, I hate Tom and Jerriyck's
kind of boxing. I am sure they will deliver it
from me smashing face, I'm blood and this is deboxing.
I don't want to force to be having drink twelve

(01:39:40):
x twelve or something like this, to have something like
this big.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Fight smashing face and blood, like, I don't know if
I love that push. While I understand Turkey's basically like,
we can't have the debacle that we had on May
second and third in Times Square and then Canelo versus School,
and I know Canelo's is completely laming all of that
on Williams School, though I think some fell into his
lap in that regard. But this is a fight that

(01:40:06):
you feel like is two of the most skilled fighters
in the history of the sport, right, two of the
all time greats of this era. They did in that
same press conference, ask Terrence Crawford his thoughts on that.
Now yesterday on Sunday, Terrence was kind of answered, asked
the same question, and he basically said, the only run
and I'm gonna be doing is upside Canelo's head. Here's
how Bud fielded that though on Thursday, let's.

Speaker 12 (01:40:28):
Listen, uh, his Excellency's saying no more Tom and Jerry,
no more running, but you're moving up to weight classes.
It's not gonna be smart for you to stand there
and hammer it out with this guy. So how do
you kind of balance that not running but being elusive
in fighting Canelo?

Speaker 13 (01:40:42):
However, I gotta fight. I'm gonna win a simple as that.
I'm not gonna let somebody else force me or to
tell me how to how to fight when I've been
fighting my whole life.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Look, I like that he said that. I know he
would kind of changes to and comes Sunday and say
that he's going to be running up Canelo's head. And
he really put out there on Sunday the idea that
he's going to stand in trade with Canelo. But that's
the biggest takeaway. I didn't necessarily love Turkey going so
ham in this area of we need smashing blood, we
need face smash, we need ko bonuses. Take that shit

(01:41:18):
to Mma, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
Yeah, I mean some of the reported persons, and I
think this is probably an exaggeration, but they have Canelo
well above two hundred million, and they have.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Crawford out of the two fifty for Canelo one hundred
for And Turkey did say this will be the biggest
contract in the history of combat sports.

Speaker 5 (01:41:35):
Yeah. And then also, now you got a five K
five million ko bones. They don't give a fuck about
that five million KO boness. I mean, you know, people
keep trying to do this bit. We're all, we're going
to incentivize people with KOs. You're not going to incentivize
people at this level to get out of their game
plan and into a losing game plan. You know, if
it works with their game plan, they go for the KO.

(01:41:55):
If it doesn't, then they won't. It's just as simple
as that. But either here North there. But Crawford can
box a lot of different ways, and I like that
he's saying that as well. It's just you know what
ultimately we're going to get on fight night. I guess
we'll have to see. But I think, you know, the
issue for me was actually a different one. Jake Paul
was like, actually quite rightly pointed out if you watch
how they get introduced BC, they bring the fighters on

(01:42:17):
first and then they brought the promoters on afterwards, which
is what's usually the reverse of that. So I thought
I was like, yeah, welcome, welcome to TKO.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Oh dude. At the Thursday press conference, they announced the
fighters to come out, and then Turkey took planted questions
for the next fifteen minutes, so he can dunk on Oscar,
so he could threaten about the Tom and Jerry, so
he could do a lot of different things there. Oh,
here's Jake Paul jumping in on the controversy that surrounded
that pick of the two fighters last week eating with Turkey.

(01:42:45):
I have heard a lot of reports that when you're
there on Turkey's dime and he calls you and he
wants you to hang out in a hotel room for
eight hours, that's what you do, Jake Paul tweeting, that's
some goofy shit. Imagine Messi and Ronaldo grabbing dinner before
a legit match against each other. Goofy, Jake Paul. Of course,
back this Saturday, competing against ifw Looke, I will say
I'm the positive here. I like the intensity Crawford brought

(01:43:06):
to Sunday. I think for casual fans or hardcore ones,
it reminds you that this is a real fighter, This
is a real fight. Yes, this could go bad for him,
this also could go very well for him. What did
you make of them in that face? Off. Crawford looks
bulked up. He looks to be the same height as Canelo.
Some people were saying Canelo had those sneakers with that
extra bit of height adage there. But I felt like

(01:43:28):
if Thursday felt for Sunday felt like, Okay, this is
gonna be a real fight. I got a little juicy inside.
I got a little happy about that.

Speaker 14 (01:43:36):
No you I I yeah, I like that there is
some degree of animosity between them, and a little bit
of dismissiveness from Canelo actually is irritating, but in a
good way, right, But I still just can't get past.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
How much of it is all manufactured, you know what
I mean? Like I also like, you know, I listen.
I mean, it's just who cares anymore? But the reality is,
you know, this is not who Canelo should be fighting.
I'm taking it, don't get me wrong, I'm taking it,
but it's supposed to be Divibenavidez or somebody else. It's
supposed to be somebody of a similar size. And like
I just want everyone to remember, like, like ascues me,

(01:44:12):
Crawford's coming up three at well two at this point,
but three weight classes really, and you know, so again
this is why To me, ABC, I'm like, sometimes the
pieces of this whole thing don't fit together individually. I
like what you're pointing out. I agree, it just I
don't know. To me, I'm just I have it. I
have it. It's not a natural rivalry, and so for

(01:44:32):
that reason, it's not a natural feeling that I'm getting.
But I don't want to be this negative Nancy all
the time. And in fact, i'd be lying I said
I didn't enjoy some of these other theatrics as well.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
All right, let me get your final take on this
final piece of two quick videos. Here, here's Turkey, who
was upset at a few things when he sat down
at the microphone. In fact, he called them out. For
the first question by the media was asked in another language,
and Turkey jumped in, was like, no, no, no, get
them out of there. We wanted international media only speaking
of Americans. Here's Turkey opening the pressure. Let's listen to this.

Speaker 5 (01:45:06):
Turkey to floor, is your sir?

Speaker 6 (01:45:08):
I don't know why they put me here. I want
to be in the site of Crawford.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
Is that a joke? I don't know. Because we have
one more piece of footage of Canelo kind of bringing
that back up later in the press conference.

Speaker 10 (01:45:21):
And I know Turkey is in your corner, but I look,
look he's gonna be very difficult.

Speaker 8 (01:45:26):
He's gonna be so mad that day.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
I also have this quote. I have this quote. I
missed it. I had it up here. They just released
that press excuse me. They just released that podcast with
like Tom Brady and Dana and Shaq and the Canel
and Crawford all them, and I think Turkey's in it too.
You know, it's fucking hilarious. But in it he was like,
you know, uncle Turkey, that's how Canelo in talking to Crawford,

(01:45:52):
like he goes, I know, uncle Turkey took care of you.
I know he's your guy, but blah blah blah blah blah.
So there's a little bit of this happening. But again,
you know, yeah, it's cool, it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:46:03):
Hericky also put out a weird new podcast where him, Coppinger,
and Rick Reno sit in a hotel room and talk
about the upcoming next cards. It was kind of weird,
but there we go. You'll see that fight September thirteenth
at lead You Stadium. Dana White was in full force
on Sunday along with Max Kellerman. So things are moving quickly.
Our final segment before we get into that, she at
looks ahead of what's coming this weekend. International Fight Week

(01:46:25):
Iliot Traporia returns, this time at one five to five
for the vacant title against Charles Olovera headlining UFC three seventeen,
and this storylines look ahead on the road to UFC
three seventeen is brought to you by Total Wireless, the
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(01:46:48):
Which storyline has you the most intrigue heading into three
one seven?

Speaker 5 (01:46:52):
Oh? This has to be for me. I mean, listen,
we knew this ahead of time, but it honestly feels
like the retirement however long it lasts of John Jones
really kind of adds to it, which is, you know
what the sport needs. The sport needs a hero. Sport
needs a breakout star. The sport needs something that just
keeps going and rising and catches our attention. Frankly, after

(01:47:14):
all that's happened, you know, June's been a better month
than some of the other months this year, for sure,
but it needs a palette cleanser. And I feel like
we've been talking about, you know, can Ilia fight at
fifty five and get a belt and what it mean
if you get a title in two different weight classes.
But let's talk about another reality here, or at least a
potential reality. I should say one of the things that

(01:47:35):
we are considering at this moment, what if he goes
in there and not only just beats Olivera, but does
it in the most dramatic way and has an insane
call out of Islam Maka chev. It's so far on
the biggest card of the year, what could end up
being the entire biggest card of the year International Fight Week.
To me, it's not just the ascendency, a potential ascendency.

(01:47:55):
I should say Eliot's porty because of course, if Charles
Olavera wins, this is all naught. And by the way,
if Charles Olivera wins and gets back into the Championship BC,
I think he's got a claim along with BJ Islam
and Habib, but like in that upper level, maybe ahead
of Frankie, maybe ahead of some of the other champions.
In this way, class. That's another one, But the one
I'm focusing in on is turning Ilia to Poria into

(01:48:19):
a bonafide new face of the organization. Can he do
that by becoming a second champion by putting it on
Charles Olavera? Can he sees this moment at a time
when they are desperate for someone to be able to
do that. Sean O'Malley just losing a second time against Morob,
and Morob is well liked, but he's not a breakout

(01:48:39):
pay per view star. Ilia to Poria has the capability
to become that at the time when the company needs
it most. I think, honestly, BC, the reality is, in
certain ways, the fans almost win either way. Charles reclaiming
the title has a significant amount of value. Ilia becoming
the new person to be I'm a title on two

(01:49:00):
way classes has significant value. But one man has the
ability to put the sport on his back and take
it to new heights if he can win, and that
one is Ilia to Poria. I'm gonna be watching closely
for many things, including that one.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
Yeah, I'm you're You're one hundred percent right And I
really I do like this card, I really do. Uh
I am excited about it. We do get, you know,
a Flyway title that comin event, which I think is
absolutely fantastic. We do get a few things that we're
looking forward to, but nothing's bigger right now than to Pooria.
It adds it ups the ay with John Jones walking away,
Connor McGregor not coming through that door, and Luke, I

(01:49:35):
think connected to that Islam fight, I think it's in
the UFC's best interest to play into that. We kind
of said, as you intimated that, like there is a
scenario here that Ilia wins by stoppage and then looks
to go directly to a new division. Here's Ilia. We
have sound at a press conference in the past week
kind of doubling down on that idea.

Speaker 15 (01:49:55):
If Islam becomes the Welsh Away War champion, for sure,
I'm gonna push for that child also and I will
move to the welterweight division.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Just a reminder, this is the number one and two
poundful pump fighters in the world, Mahachev and Ilia. They're
not fighting each other. They could have to some degree.
It didn't happen. But Luke, I think the story here
is if this guy gets it done and you're this
promotion you go all in, even if it's a it's
a twelve month build, you go all in on. This
is the super fight that fans should be fired up about.

(01:50:26):
It's not bringing in an old guy, it's not doing Oh,
these are two guys in their absolute prime. They don't
necessarily like each other. That the two best fighters in
the world. Let's go. Let's go in that regard and
imagine if Dough Bronk spoils it, then we got another
wrinkle in there.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
That's right. If do Bronk spoils it, then it's a
whole different kind of conversation. You know. I think it'd
be actually worse for the sport if he does. But
it still carries I think a significant amount of value
for oli Era and sentimentality for the fans. But huge
stakes in this main evat, dude, huge huge stakes through
the sport needs a hero. And it's like I've said before,

(01:51:00):
Oh but he beat all my other heroes. That's how
you become a hero. You destroy all the old ones
so that they can't even be your hero anymore. They
force you to become their hero to for them to
be your hero by virtue of their achievements. At they're
high enough, and you can only work into the highest level.
It doesn't work any other level. But if you can
actually beat all these guys, you take away everything that

(01:51:23):
they offer the fans and you replace it. And that's
just something I've seen before. Will we see it on Saturday,
I don't know, but that's on the line.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Final bit of sound before we get to the ship.
This jumped off of me, actually pulled it out of
the Have you seen the ship, Kevin? I only sat
down with Ilio Taporia and he had nothing nice to
say about Islam Mahachev at all.

Speaker 16 (01:51:42):
Actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna say something that I think
that is like that that I think that it's gonna
be even bigger me against PARTI than me against Islam
because the one who is who that no one gives
a fuck about him. No one gives a fuck eat
even in Augustan when he's fighting, the people goes to

(01:52:05):
sleep and they watch his fight in the morning.

Speaker 5 (01:52:09):
So so you think even at home that he's not
as an attraction.

Speaker 16 (01:52:13):
He went not at home, who gives a fuck about Islam?
Islam he doesn't even know how to pronounce two wards mm.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Interesting, look, I gotta say what started as just a
lustful boner for you, This is the hero we need
right now, We need this fight. Let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
It's throbbing right now. Metaphorically, BC, metaphorically, it's throbbing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Disgusting in that regard. A very good card top to bottom.
Check us out this Thursday, twelve noon Eastern Time, as
Morning Combat gives you a UFC three seventeen pregame preview
with our good friend Chuck Mindenhall, live from the Metal
Larks Studios in New York.

Speaker 17 (01:52:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Wait, day uh, it's it's all Taporia, Olivera here, we're
gonna find out who's the real king. At the one
five to five. We're skipping dms from Donks here, running
a little bit late. Just real quick, Luke, real quick
on this. Brian Norman Junior very refreshing, saying I would
have fought Boots for career high money, but let me
get through my first fight. You have any fear that
Eli is talking about Patty talking about Islam? Is he

(01:53:13):
talking about Doe Bronx too?

Speaker 5 (01:53:16):
Do I have a fear? A little one, A little one.
I would be lying if I said I had no fear.
I do have some However, I also the you know,
my real feeling is the big one. My big feeling
is he's right about himself and what he's about to do,
and you know, he's going to prove it and these

(01:53:37):
are going to be irrelevant questions come Sunday. But I'd
also be lying if I said, you know, oh, well,
it's just Charles de Bronx, like this is some fucking
scrub or something like it ain't it ain't you know?
And Ilia, you know, A little, a little is the answer?

Speaker 13 (01:53:51):
A little?

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
All right, a little? All right? Morning combat at gmail
dot com, where you can reach out to the show.
One final reminder, let's get going for not this Friday's
fans ship five times yesterday. All right, Well, speaking of ship,
I compiled a lot of weird videos to get Luke
to make weird reactions. This one's called BC's well, Luca,

(01:54:23):
that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
That's a true thing that happened BC. I mean, first
it was logs and then it was piles, and either
way it was a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
At what point are we just this our whole this
whole segment is just pictures of your feces. It's incredible. Hey,
UFC was in Azerbaijan. Here is Morob Devolishvili losing his
ship for teammate Nazim Sodakov after that Koko Nicholas Mota.

Speaker 5 (01:55:02):
How about that pop dude, right listen, Morob is a
happy guy. I wouldn't want to change it for.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Anything, speaking of nauseum side of cough, Luke, he got
the double bonus after that performance in that finish of Mota.
Here is him in his hotel room losing his ship.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Ready, whoa whoa usc just called my phone.

Speaker 17 (01:55:22):
You had one hundred K bonus. Yeah, yeah, open the door,

(01:55:45):
Open the door.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Police, Yo, I just did a hundred kids. I just
did a hundred kids a hundred, Luke. Was that celebration
similar to you after the fifth dump or what.

Speaker 5 (01:56:06):
Mine was? More of the Shawshank redemption one, you know
where you're just in the rain. But yeah, it's pretty
silar Good for him, man, the me It's gonna do
him some good.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Absolutely. And how about on Saturday flyweight to gear Uhlan Beckhoff,
who took a three round unanimous decision over Azap Maxim.
Check out his all star corner. We're talking about umar
Islam Habib that have his back, Luke, if you ever,
if we ever do like a media MMA tournament, imagine
having this this corner, you know what I mean, maybe

(01:56:37):
dropping coach Litory. This is it. This is as good
as it gets.

Speaker 5 (01:56:40):
It's the dream team brother.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
Indeed, and he did get the win, all right, keep
keep going. Here there are MMA fighters living it up
in the wild, Luke. One of them is friend of
the program, Long Island Zonwn Matt Ravola on the boat
ripping a blot here a cigar. I can't, nocita. Can
you give us a that's a cigar?

Speaker 5 (01:57:01):
If I know, Steamroller, that's a blunt show it again.
It's got a cigar seal on.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
It looks like it might be a pre roll.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
It's hard to tell. Les, aren't that bit? I mean,
I guess it could be a pre roll. But that's
a huge ass pre roll. Wait.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
I did just see it in a bigger monitor on
the replay, and you're right, it does look like a
cigar now that I'm looking at right, Mean, you two
are right, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
Also in the wild is Justin Gagee at the Fanatics
Fest on over the weekend. Here's his WWE entrance.

Speaker 5 (01:57:58):
Was it me or he had some big ass shoes on.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
I don't know if I picked up on that. But
did you hear Canelo when they asked him, Hey, you
want to promote this fight? Make some ww skits? He's like, yeah,
we're talking about it. I don't know if I need this, Luke,
I don't know if I need that. That's just me talking.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
Yeah, so you know there's a certain audience for it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
Iron sharpened iron at Fanatics Fest. Check out these two
heavy hitters, Poe Aton and jay Z. Luke.

Speaker 5 (01:58:22):
That's right with the tams. Look at jay Z. He's
still wearing Tims billion dollars later. Impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Two other very famous people came together to rub dollars.
Here's Turkey, Ala Chica and Lebron James.

Speaker 5 (01:58:36):
Yeah, they are there together. That's that's a true thing.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
There we go. And also a fighter in the wild
was TJ. Dillashaw and a scooter in which he took
the l Here, Luke.

Speaker 5 (01:58:48):
Oh Man trying to mess shoulder even more of people.
What to be doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
I hope he didn't damage the Jackson chain that he
was wearing there, Luke, that would have been something.

Speaker 5 (01:58:57):
Is it Jackson or just Jackson?

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
They call it jack but it looks very Jackson Jackson.

Speaker 5 (01:59:03):
Yeah, there you go, Jaxon.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
It's tough for your car crashes of the week, Luke.
Check out this ejection.

Speaker 5 (01:59:18):
Yo yo yo, No, they don't when they don't respect
your entrance dancing.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
There was some dancing going on. It ended in a
fight that was weird. All right, Hey, look tell me
if this is lame or cool. Here's the UFC fed
featherweight bogged in grab showing off his new license plate.

Speaker 8 (01:59:37):
I thought a while about this to do the license
plate before I was in the UFC, just with my name,
but I was like, nah, it's too much. But after
I got into the sea, I was like, Okay, now
I have to do it.

Speaker 18 (01:59:52):
I have to represent the UFC. I'm very, very proud
that I'm here. To everybody that is supporting me, a
big thank you, Thank you Austria, thank you, Romania, and
thank you to the whole.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
Look. UFC one is his license plate. That feels very.

Speaker 5 (02:00:11):
He He's not going to be a guy that complains
about fighter pay. I have a feeling all right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
All right, now it's time for your car crashes of
the week.

Speaker 4 (02:00:18):
Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Let's see if this makes you uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (02:00:30):
Bro, Are you showing me AI crashes?

Speaker 4 (02:00:33):
Now?

Speaker 5 (02:00:33):
What are we doing?

Speaker 4 (02:00:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
That was a chair and a person on it, you see?

Speaker 5 (02:00:37):
Are you fucking blind? That was AI computer generated fucking chasing.
I don't know, Luke, I was you're showing the video
game highlights? Basically, Sorry, Luke, I didn't mean to offend
you on this.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
On this.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
All right, let's continue on with our car crashes of
the week. This one ain't AI, Luke, all right, let's
keep it.

Speaker 5 (02:01:06):
That was better that one.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
I liked.

Speaker 1 (02:01:08):
Watch this car closely here? Oh he hit an airplane?
You see that?

Speaker 4 (02:01:16):
Shit?

Speaker 5 (02:01:17):
How often does that happen? Holy fuck, bro? These cessnas
and shit that people get in. Yeah, I don't know
about that, man.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Everyone was okay in the end. But that was an
airplane car crash. There you go.

Speaker 5 (02:01:30):
Did you see the people in the hot air balloon
in Brazil?

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
Die?

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
I did?

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
That was I'm not going to put it in this show.

Speaker 5 (02:01:37):
There's someone who fell out of the thing ahead of
time and then just plunged to his death.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
Are you sure that that was GTA video game? I
think that first car crash was legit, Luke.

Speaker 5 (02:01:48):
Oh, okay, Long Island Luke. The first one he showed
is clearly AI is it not?

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
You know, to be honest, I didn't think anything of
it until you said that, Luke, and then I was like, yeah,
it does look really fake now that you say, holy dick.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
And let's skip ahead to BKFC Texas right here, Luke,
did you see this face off between Jessica I and
Maria Agapova.

Speaker 14 (02:02:12):
Two big names debutes and a women's fly wait division.

Speaker 5 (02:02:18):
Ticking on Maria?

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
All right, Luke, Right, there's a good development we don't.

Speaker 5 (02:02:27):
I mean, this is perfect for MMA fans, combat swarts fans.
You get ass and two women kissing. That is what
they're there for.

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
I would win a decision in her debut, and now
they're setting her up to fight Christine Farrea for the title. Also,
Andrea Lovsky won his debut. They're setting him up to
fight Ben Rothwell in a trilogy for the title. But
here's Jessica I flexing on stage, Luke. Some people thought, uh,
some people thought peeds, but that you know, it's impressive.

Speaker 5 (02:02:55):
Right dice to the socks, I'll admit.

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
All right, Luke. If you think that UFC's octagon is
overrun with ads. Check out MMA and Mexico. Let's get
your thoughts on h.

Speaker 5 (02:03:05):
I mean, I mean, he goes, what are we doing here?
This is this is a bit much?

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
Yeah, indeed, all right, T shirts of the week time, Luke,
let's get your thoughts on these.

Speaker 5 (02:03:17):
Hook her with a penis. Okay, that's a lot for
this guy.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
He looks very happy, though, to be fair, let's go
to the next gentleman.

Speaker 5 (02:03:26):
Eat your girl out or I will. You know what,
I don't think he's much of a threat in that regard,
but I dig the shirt.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
And finally, Luke, let's see if you own this one.

Speaker 5 (02:03:36):
I want to count the wrinkles on your stink star. Okay, well,
this is a disgusting human who should be executed.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
And then he lost MK Jeopardy as well, Luke. Alright, yeah,
there you go. Hey, look there's a new pro wrestling
finishing move off the top rope. Let's get your thoughts
on it. I think that's called the izzy. Right, Yeah,
there you go? All right, yeah, yeah, okay, he just.

Speaker 5 (02:04:01):
Wanks on you and then calls them that's.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
Sick, Luke. I know it's not Thanksgiving, but I'm grateful
for a lot of things. Let's watch this. What are
you grateful for today?

Speaker 5 (02:04:12):
My massive You know? Okay, he should have started being unemployed,
because that's I bet he's more happy about.

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
Does it turn you on when chicks get flat? Luke?
Why are we even talking about this?

Speaker 5 (02:04:28):
I mean, come on, is she responsible for the stewardship
of children?

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
I think so? I think so.

Speaker 5 (02:04:47):
I think Child Protective Services should take them away.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
It's time to have our cake and eat it too.
Your favorite person's back only.

Speaker 5 (02:04:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, I just eat that remote. You absolutely
insane creature from another dimension?

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
She this is our two favorite things, weird cake lady
for Frank.

Speaker 5 (02:05:02):
Well, let me guess she's gonna eat the video game too, right,
because why would the app? Why would that be normal?
Why would this be? Absolutely insane? Creature from the Black Lagoon.
Go back to where you came from, you horrible alien monster.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
Okay, it was aggressive. Let's go to some cake and
elder abuse combos.

Speaker 4 (02:05:21):
Grannie.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
Hold still, yeah, she got you. Looks she did get you, right,
I mean, that's what's going on here? Wow, this might
be my worst batch ever here.

Speaker 5 (02:05:35):
Okay, hey, her life expectancy is Thursday and it's deserved.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
Caught in the act here, Luke, watch this bouncer.

Speaker 3 (02:05:48):
Excuse me, sure, are you scratching your ass in public?

Speaker 4 (02:05:51):
No?

Speaker 17 (02:05:51):
Are you crazy?

Speaker 4 (02:05:53):
Get out of here?

Speaker 18 (02:05:57):
What I just saw you scratching your ass?

Speaker 14 (02:06:01):
You're crazy?

Speaker 5 (02:06:07):
Okay, the wretching was hilarious. That was good. That was
your best one yet? That was great?

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
All right? All right, hey, look, you ever hear of
a tech and master before.

Speaker 7 (02:06:19):
Years later, it would be a massive, massive statement here.
But he's got to be motile to get the job done.
And I've seen Moto perform comebacks from scenarios worse than this.
So this is by no means over by any stretch.
Do not count this man out. I think the motive
might have been a little bit surprised at the amount
of aggressing. He's has a face against nod just suffocation, right,
especially with the fan he has moved that can evade

(02:06:39):
so well in that close range.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
That uPAR too, that kept on.

Speaker 7 (02:06:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's a two great example.

Speaker 4 (02:06:44):
But what it is is as well, he's able to
be aggressive.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
Look, it looks like he was.

Speaker 5 (02:06:48):
I'm also a world class techn player. Yes, it looks.

Speaker 1 (02:06:52):
Like he was hiding his his play. So the opponent
couldn't see what he was pressing, but it it definitely
looked like he was just rocket out.

Speaker 5 (02:07:00):
He was masturbating. Let's just see what it was he was.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
We got two more for you. We know how much
you love medieval Renaissance fairs and riz, why don't we
combine those two as well? Here we go. Excuse me? Wow,
I really love your style. What's your name, Himella? Are
you like a mind goblin or something?

Speaker 5 (02:07:20):
Mind Goblin's nuts, bitch, jesus ri. I texted her. I
texted a friend of mine in other day. I was like,
have you heard of the band Imagine Dragons? They're like yeah, like,
imagine dragging these balls across her mouth. Bitch, I'm not

(02:07:41):
I'm not too good for it. I'm not too good
for it. And the stabbing was also a nice touch too. Yes,
all right, if you go to the Renaissance Festival, which
I'm gonna have to do because Tuki wants to go
now she saw an ad.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
For the video of it. Please for this show's purpose.

Speaker 5 (02:07:54):
Did I tell you what Tuki did to my wife
the other day? No? First of all, my wife says, hey,
we need to go because I have to go to
the bathroom and my wife and Tukis sister are wanting
to ta hold it. Just tells her to hold it,
and then my wife was like, get on your feet,
we're leaving. Tuki gave her the throat slash. Tuki gave
my wife the throat slash, and I was like, okay,

(02:08:16):
we have to have an intervention here. What is what
is happening in this kind of part? This is this
is un this is unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (02:08:22):
That's that's wild. Well, look, I got one more video
for you, and I don't think I'm gonna get a
good grade this week, but this last one combines your
two favorite things, flatulence and Sweet Caroline Sweet Calu Lie.

Speaker 5 (02:08:37):
That is the song that's the original. Everything else is
a cover of this song that's going to get copyright
struck for that play.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
That was mister Bethane, the the Flatulent singer and superhero.
Thank you very much, all right?

Speaker 5 (02:08:51):
He also him and Cake Lady should also be shot
into the sun. Can we just be honest?

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
I got to work on you know. I'm gonna start
DM and Cake Lady and see if she speaks English
and she's willing to come on here, because this will
be the most epic piece of television.

Speaker 5 (02:09:01):
I will I will verbally abuse her.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Okay, if she ever has a bit where she cuts
a dog in half but it turns on, Oh it's
just cake, then we got to bring it out on
this show.

Speaker 5 (02:09:11):
I'm gonna cut a dog in half and it's just
gonna be a smaller dong. I mean, it's gonna be
the world's worst bit ever. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
Thank you to Brian Norman Junior, the WBO Weltroy champion
for joining us today. Thank you to Long Island, Luke
on the ones and twos, Long Island. What can we
expect from you in the future?

Speaker 3 (02:09:28):
What can your girl expect from I'll be dropping UFC
three seventeen bet Breakdown today. I remember we went perfect last week,
So tune in Main card minute.

Speaker 5 (02:09:36):
Appreciate y'all?

Speaker 1 (02:09:37):
All right, all right, tune in this Thursday twelve noon
Eastern Time as Quervo presents Morning Combat. UFC three seventeen
pregame preview lt BC Chuck Minden Hall enough said, enough
said right there, All right, Luke Thomas. We had a
long but I think victorious show for the people.

Speaker 5 (02:09:57):
We do what we do, We did what we did.
I'm happy that the fans we're here. Thank you all
so much. Oh yeah, I hope that pussy. That pussy's
beaten you up. How about that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
Oh that's the most action I've got in that category
in a long time, Luke. But there we go.

Speaker 5 (02:10:15):
Okay, yeah, you gotta put that. I want to see
a highlight of that cat smacking your shit.

Speaker 1 (02:10:19):
He doesn't like to be like controlled anymore. He's you know,
he's he's a teenager. I think Morningcombat Dot Shop for
all your merch needs.

Speaker 5 (02:10:30):
Yeah right, I gotta pick two kit from from her
first day of summer camp.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
Tell her, I said this, Luke.

Speaker 5 (02:10:38):
Bro she gave my wife the throat slash. I couldn't
fucking believe it. I was like, we are raising a monster,
a beautiful monster.

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
But a wonderful monster. We'll see you guys Thursday. No
show this Friday, but a big week. Get fired up.
UFC three seventeen is here. Good, be careful out there.
It's hot, there's a war going on. Take care of yourselves.
I mean, look, it's like it feels like of like
one oh five today.

Speaker 5 (02:11:00):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough. Stay cool, Stay cool.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Dirt bags for Luke Thomas, Luke Nocita and your boy BC.
We love you. We're out of here. Thank you so much,
good stuff. Thank you,

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