Jon Jones Teases Retirement & Ranking the Best Fights From the NEW UFC Summer Calendar

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Will be up.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's time to bank? Oh yeah, get yourself rip roaring
and ready to go. Fired up. It's Friday, May twenty third,
twenty twenty five. You've stumbled upon skits, bits and all that,
and in between it's Morning Combat, the best damn combat
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(00:54):
It's Friday, I ain't got shit to do. You might
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Able to BBC with that BDE from the suburbs of CT.
And the man next to me represents DC. He's a
dB all right, he's an mfport. Hey it's Luke Thomas. Luke.

(01:14):
Are you nearly as excited as I am entering a
weekend with no combat pretty much at all?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
What's yeah? I'm excited to not pay attention to this
rancid industry for a weekend. Yes, wow, just like that?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
All right? All right, great to hear. I mean, Luke,
would you say that today, with not a ton going
on in the world of combat sports, that maybe, just
maybe we're turning back the clock and having some old
school MK fun today.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think that is a reasonably fair assessment.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, indeed, all right, all right, thank you very much folks.
Today we have a couple topics of what's been going
on in the news cycle, maybe the last time we'll
talk about John Jones on this show ever again. Then
we will play over over under. We haven't done that
BS in a while. What a what a great time
to fill minutes. But the real show closer, if you will,

(02:07):
is BC versus LT one on one in a game
of MK Jeopardy. And let me bring in the third
member of our team, the producer, director, bong enthusiast and
trivia taskmaster for today one Luke Nosita of the main
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(02:28):
people what BC and LT are gonna play for today.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
You guys are playing for the loser has to buy
or sorry, the winner has to buy the loser a
terrible T shirt and they are going to wear it
on Tuesday's episode. So the loser is going to be weird.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
No no, no, A pregame preview, Oh, pregame preview.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I thought USC three sixteen BC LT we're talking about
bronstn and we're talking about Wednesday, June fourth, so mark
your calendars there. I mean, Luke, could you imagine rolling
up in a shirt like this game previewan? I don't
think you can, right, I really don't, I really, I really, Yeah,
Luke just rethought that the future of his life. That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(03:09):
We did sign that contract in blood and other fluids there,
So there you go. All right, my alone here. Look
are you in this show?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Are Yeah? I'm in the show?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
All right. I saw you by the way on that
Dylan Klepper Comedy Central special. Well done, Luke.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
You mean Jordan Clipper?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, one of those two clippers you know wherever they
ca Yeah, all right, Look are you alive today? What
is going on inside your dome?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I am alive today. I actually, if you can believe this,
I had a dream last night for the first time
in months, I think, so I actually slept like really, well, don't.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Dream, kids, Yeah it may not come true, but dream
if you can, right, dream They don't.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Your dreams are an illusion, which is why chasing them
is stupid.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
But okay, all right. Would you have chased Amy in
the late nineties as well? She was pretty hot in that.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Movie not my time, but I mean she was cute,
but not my time.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
My time. Alright, So I shout out to the UH,
what's that guy's name in his movie franchises?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, Kevin Smith?

Speaker 1 (04:04):
There it is there. It is Luke Neil that Lucas
from the nineties. He represents the nineties. My name is
your boy, BC. You can follow us, by the way
on these social channels below and we would love it.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I can I ask you a question? Please? It's a
loose MK Friday.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Right, really, loose pants are optional.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
So for the UH, for the first time in like,
I don't know how long, I mean, you know, maybe
since the like I saw it in the eighties or something.
I rewatched the original Alien the Sigourney Weaver, the original one. Yeah,
it's Sigourney Sigourney. Yeah, Horney for Sigourney is BC. That's
what I'm not this guy. Nope, nope, okay, hold on

(04:43):
for a second. What was the last time you saw
that movie? And what did you watch it on the
HD television?

Speaker 5 (04:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:48):
No, last time was like on HBO in nineteen eighty
nine or something. Okay, okay, whatever it came out.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
What was the same with me? It's been so long, right,
So I rewatched the original on I have a reasonably
new TV like a or so old. Okay, I cannot
overstate to you how good that movie is. Like, you
know it's good, but then when you watch the level
of craftsmanship and thought and imagination that goes into it.
I had people being mad at me because like, once

(05:14):
I saw that, and then I kind of rewatched what
I Alien Romulus again and I was like, dude, that
movie sucks ass, Like Alien Romulus is butt cheeks.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I mean, I don't know, I wouldn't watch something like that.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Look, but well, okay, but here's my point. The original
movie came out the year I was fucking born, all right,
so it's an old ass movie, and I could not
believe how well it held up. If you have an
original that good, all the other ones that come after it,
not always, but typically, especially as the further you get

(05:48):
down the road, they're just like cheap derivative bullshit. Right.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, same thing about the UFC. I love the zuofa Era,
but this TKO is the worst, right, all right?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean your shoehorning in some nonsense, but I don't know.
People were coming after me in my chat yesterday, and
I'm just like, no, you're wrong. You got to go
see the original on a nice television and then tell
me the subsequent ones again Aliens or aliens Okay, maybe
a little bit different, but like, you know, alien fucking Romulus.
I mean, dude, you have to be sadden out of

(06:19):
ideas with what to do with your afternoon to think
that's a good movie.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well, we were sad and out of ideas what to
do with this afternoon, Luke, but we after around and
put together a show just the same. I will say,
is it the same feeling when I watch Thank You?
When I watched Dune one and two and I'm like, man,
f that's that phony Steeler George Lucas. This is the
real Star War, not the original Dune, not like eighty
four one.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, well, I mean because the new one is a
new movie. So it's hard to be the same thing.
I'm talking about something that Like, dude, it's hard to
watch a movie from the seventies and be like, oh,
this is something I can enjoy in twenty twenty five.
It's not often that that happens. And I admit that
there's a lot of those movies I'm just like, yeah,
I can't. I can't with this shit, dude, that one
I'm please please take the Pepsi Challenge. It's on HBO Max.

(07:06):
Go see it. I'm telling you that movie holds up
in a way that will shock you. It is very good,
all right, all right?

Speaker 1 (07:13):
You can also check out my Eddie Hern interview on
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we can ask for in this climate, right, Luke? Right,

(07:35):
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean not, I'm not if I lose on Jeopardy today,
I'm not gonna jack you off.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah right, all right? But man, if I can only
get Pennington James T shirts made up fast enough for
this pregame preview, I can't wait to see what happens
right there. Oh yeah, all right, we do have a
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How's your life? Bro, Today's fit Friday. All right, so
it's fucking Friday.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
What do you got for us?

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Man?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
I'm a hype for MK Jeopardy later. That's all I
gotta say. It's gonna be a fun one, So everyone
tune in for that. Let's get through these topics right away.
Let's go.

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All right, I don't know where I'm going here. Hey,

(08:29):
let's go to topic number one. Let's start off the
show proper. I said, it is last time we're talking
about it. Mark your calendars. May twenty third, twenty twenty
five is the day Morning Combat has had enough of
what for me chicks with tattoos? But that's another topic
for another day. What I'm really talking about is all
things Jones aspinall, what the hell are we doing? We

(08:51):
got silence from the UFC, and if you've been following
John's journey in Thailand filming this Russian Mma reality show
with Nate diasmore to come on that you'll find out
that it doesn't seem like Johnny Boy wants it either.
So Luke, let's face it. This fight is a soap
opera that we just want to be over. It's annoying.

(09:12):
It's held up everybody's career. So from the UFC silence
to its refusal to strip John, to Johnny Meat's own
constant disinterest, there's really not a lot to love here.
Or even if they told you tomorrow you're getting the fight,
I think there's been enough damage done. So, based upon
John's latest tweet, which came out two days ago and

(09:34):
a lot of people are talking about it, will play
it in two seconds. I want you to answer this question.
Is there any reason left to believe that Jones aspinall
actually happens in twenty twenty five and what really would
be the fallout here if this thing falls apart. Let's
go to Jones's tweet first, in which fans were talking
about how does it feel to be retired? And John said,

(09:55):
I don't know if I want to call it retired.
I feel like I'm always having an ability to pop
out and show them I've had many breaks throughout my career.
Yeah you have you been stripped to your title three times?
John would gone to say, my identity outside of fighting
is well intact. I'm genuinely enjoying life. I'm growing in
different ways, Luke. People don't want to hear us talk

(10:17):
about this today. But does that tweet the nail in
the coffin that ends this debate that it might happen.
Are you with me at the end of your rope? Like,
what is going to be the scar if this fight
doesn't happen to close out this year?

Speaker 2 (10:31):
None of you are at the end of your rope.
You're all lying. Do you know you are? You know
you're frustrated. I'm frustrated. Everyone's frustrated, which is probably part
of what John Jones enjoys out of all of this.
We're just being honest. But you're not at the end
of your rope because you can't be. The thing that
to me stands out about all of this is and
I've seen some people suggest that like this was the

(10:53):
plan all along, which obviously is not. I mean, that's
just a ridiculous statement to make, But the reality is
we've got the main events now for June, July and August.
September looks like it's going to be obviously UFC not
che which is going to have Volkanovski probably against the
Eria Rodriguez, which is its own kind of issue.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
We'll get.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I know, as you go back and you watch the
first fight, dude, Volkanowski beats him literally everywhere everywhere like it's.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
And then knocks him out. He knocked him out, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Beat him up on the ground, took him down at whale.
I mean, it was just a complete like manhandling. But
the point I'm trying to make is, so that's done October,
we don't have anything, and obviously November they're going to
go back to Madison Square Garden. We're at the point
now where Tom Aspinall hasn't fought in over a year.
He hasn't fought once in twenty twenty five. But November

(11:42):
is the Alamo. That's the Alamo we are. We are
now retreated to the point where we're back in November
waiting to see what happens. And they still have a
negotiating window between now and whenever they need to to
make that announcement. Now that I want to be clear,
that is no guarantee that the fight gets made, but
it's also not a place where we can affirmatively declare

(12:03):
that it can't or it won't happen. To the point
that you had raised that this is the end people
at the end of the rope. You're not at the
end of the rope, because you know there is still
time to make the fight happen. What I will say,
BC is not that. What I will say is it
is so unusual in this era to watch a single
fighter over a single bout make the UFC look so

(12:25):
weak they are. They look absolutely in the palm of
John's hand here and again partly that might be merely
appearances and that the reality is a little bit more
murky between them, but that is the perception. The perception
is they if they had a more filled out roster,

(12:45):
and if pay per view buys were in a different place,
and if there wasn't a general malaise about this such
that they needed or they excuse me, such that they
didn't need so clearly one particular fight to be made,
they probably have moved on. And you know, if John
came back around, they would have just made it at
a later time. It doesn't preclude them from making it later.

(13:06):
But of course they don't want to strip him because
they need that title unification in part to sell the bout.
Because of people will know who John is, much of
the more casual fan base won't necessarily know who Tom is.
It's a pretty important ingredient. It's a historical marker. But
because they have such a necessity, an unusual necessity, and
BC we should not forget. They're also in a place

(13:27):
where they're trying to renegotiate a new television deal, which
you know there is again some rumoring, not reporting, but
rumoring to suggest that Turkey's exploits may have blown that
up with Netflix. The UFC is being made to look
weak here, and I cannot believe I'm saying that, But
I don't know what other conclusion you can possibly draw

(13:47):
from one guy not really declaring he's done and kind
of stringing everyone else along. You me and the UFC
included it's an unusual time.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Well, everyone loses here. And I do agree slightly with
what you said on Monday Show that if they make
this in November, everybody will shut up. They won't talk
about how long it took. We finally got it. But
John's making a mockery of the process, all of us
for carrying this much, and the UFC in general with
these tweets. And again, you know, if it's only John's
playing four D chess, BC, wake up, this is still

(14:19):
a negotiation, then I guess it's part of it. But no, Ceda,
if you could throw up the strip tweet, you know,
a fan saying, enjoy your last day as being champed.
I think we talked about this on Monday, But look
at John saying stripped. Loll Do I come across as
the type of person who cares about things like that.
He's basically saying to the UFC, like, go ahead, strip
me already. But maybe you're right. It does come down

(14:41):
to leverage. He's exercising it. There's a rare spot where
he has it. Because the UFC, look at how much
they scramble to fill every pay per view main event
date of late it seems to get the gate that
they're hoping to in MSG. They're gonna probably need John
at this point unless they load that card up, and
they don't really do that anymore. So, I I hope
this is the last time we're talking about it, but

(15:02):
like it's fair to see. I mean, you say we're
not at the end of our rope because we would
accept this in November. I mean it's literally at the
point where everybody looks horrible, including us, for continuing to
lead another show about this dead topic that I don't
even know.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
What to say. It's not a dead topic, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Can we all just give up? I mean, look, there's
people being affected by this, like Aspinall's arc. Can we
watch a video quickly where Aspinall's gonna tell Mighty Mouse
the ways in which this whole thing's actually affecting.

Speaker 7 (15:33):
Now have been almost a year inactive with no prospects
of anything apart from wait, yeah, so now he's actually
a little bit more of a tricky time for me
mentally than it was then. And it's kind of difficult,
like mentally to to be like, but this is the
this is the fight against John Jones, like not the

(15:55):
fight is another thing. Yeah, this is the tricky bit
where I really have to stay switched on, stay motivated,
and I'm trying my best.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm trying.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
It's tough sometimes especially but you know what, again, I'm
really lucky with the team and stuff, is that we're
in a spot now where guys come to me when
they've got a fight coming up, So like they're in
training camp because we have international guys coming as well.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, we have like a couple of Croatian guys.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
We have a couple of guys coming from you know,
all different places, and they're coming to me when they're
in training camp. And I'm like, look, if I ain't
on the ball, they're gonna they're gonna kick me out.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
So you're getting a different luxure steam fresh.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
So like I obviously don't want to be getting beat
up in the gym all the time. So like I
want to I've got to stay on the ball in
the gym, even though I've not going to fight myself,
which is again a huge advantage that I've got.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
So look, he would go on to say about the
sort of like the mental boulder that he's carrying from
not knowing what the UFC is going to do next,
or what John's going to do next. The s ain't
fair to anybody. And look, the reality is this is
the consolation fight to the real era defining super fight
that we should have had, which is Jones and Ganu.
And I don't mean to like disparage Jones Aspinall, it

(17:06):
still means a whole hell of a lot, but it's
the consolation prize to that, and we still don't have it.
And we can complain about no Chay, and we can
complain about this or that. I love the fights that
are main eventing in the summer, and we got a
segment coming up. Well we're gonna talk about it. But
you've got Aspinall shit out of luck. You've got Jalson
all Meata telling MMA Fighting that he would move down
to two five if they can promise him a title

(17:28):
shot against Ankliath because he can't see where his path
to the top is. Since Aspinall's idol, I mean this
does matter at the end of the day, right, they
are fucking up here as a promotion, what would you
have them do? Draw the line in the sand, come
out tomorrow and say, look to get to the end
of this, let me finish. They should come out and

(17:49):
say we want to get to the end of this
like you do. So John Jones, you have three days
to either accept our offer that's it, and then you've
got to move on.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
UFC people say this stuff without thinking it true. Tell
me why they haven't.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Done it then, because they believe, and you can argue
that they're right that if they still make that fight
in what became their intended date, which seems to be MSG,
then then in their mind we still get the record gate,
all the trains go back on schedule. It's John Jones
we're talking about let's just keep moving.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
But I don't think that's right. I don't think that's right.
They would not let themselves look exposed like this if
they if they could flip a switch and be like, well,
let's just move on. And what we really lose is
I mean, how much money would you make from John
versus Tom. Right, let's let's actually gain this out a
little bit. What is it like a million pay per
view buys you could sell? Maybe maybe that's at the
high end, but let's just let's let's even say it's that.

(18:44):
You know, so you're talking about what like eighty million
just on pay per view sales alone, Let's say another
twenty million at the gates. You talk about one hundred million,
and that's nothing to sneeze at. But this is an
organization whose profits already went up year over year for
the first quarter of nearly twenty percent already. I'm not
here to say that one hundred million is anything they

(19:06):
could sneeze at. But I don't really think that that's
quite right. I think that this is they see it.
I think if it was as simple as just moving
on and there'd be smaller costs to it, I think
they would have done it. I think they see this
as a little bit more existential. To be perfectly honest
with you, I think that they.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
If they don't do it, in your eyes, what would
be the lasting imprint? Would that turn off a third
of this fan base?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I mean, what to do if you're the UFC. I mean,
just think about it. If you're in the UFC's position,
what would you do about it? And I don't mean
I tell John Jones to go fuck himself. Yeah, that
sounds that feels nice, But if you have to manage
the business and their interests, you have to think about
this a little bit more carefully. And this is why
I mean the UFC is being made to look weak
heer from this position. If you're the UFC, you absolutely

(19:53):
have to plan for a contingency where this is not
going to happen. But you have to do that in
such a way where you can put all the blame
on John, and I think that they're trying to figure
out the best way to do that. That's partly what
they're doing is just buying themselves a little bit of time,
putting this on John, putting this on John and saying
we waited and we waited, and we waited and we waited,

(20:14):
and we met his financial Whether that's true or not,
they'll say they met his financial demands and they gave
it every opportunity. They just simply can't wait any longer.
So partly the waiting game is to absolve themselves from
blame in the event that this fight doesn't get made. Right,
if you just move on, yeah, you can blame it
on John, But then you lose to your point, you
lose the possibility of it, and the fans are gonna

(20:35):
be like, well, why do we wait this long to
begin with? You could have done this months ago, right,
So you don't really get out of this problem in
that particular scenario. So that's the first thing I'm gonna say.
Second of all, I think that these guys are feeling
the heat. I think they're feeling the heat both in
the general malaise and the product. And I think they're
feeling the heat in these contract negotiations. Do When they
went to ESPN the first time, those things happened like

(20:58):
right away. They made it in and out almost immediately,
from one television deal to the other. That's not what's
happening here. They had a negotiated window that was exclusive
to ESPN that expired. Now we're in the non exclusive one.
And please don't mis understand me. I think they're gonna
sign in the end what's going to be considered a
lucrative deal that will be worth much more than the

(21:19):
last one. But if this was going swimmingly, they would
have bottled it already, or I should say quite the opposite,
they would they would have handled it already. It would
have been done. I think we're in a bit of
a different position here where people are saying, oh, there
are they trying to save John versus Tom for the
next fight deal. Well, that would mean putting it into
twenty twenty six. I don't think that's likely. But the

(21:39):
appearance of being unable to make big fights. The reality
of something like this falling through, especially if you can't
put the blame on John, this would be a terrible
look at a very critical moment in this organization's future.
That's why I think they're not really making this move.
They don't have the cards, they don't have the same

(22:00):
amount of leverage that they typically enjoy, and so they
have to kind of eat this in between, spot me
see until we get to a later date.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But it makes them look double worse in my opinion,
with this much silence. And I think what you just
said is true. I just wrote a column yesterday at
CBS Sports about this that, you know, for all that
talk about hey Zoe, what boxing is and isn't these days,
and you know Dana railing against it for years, it's
not an original thought to this show and this microphone
me saying they've become boxing. But when you package together us,

(22:27):
it's not like one big super fight slipped through the cracks.
And it's not like you don't have them on sobs
in the monopoly. Oh actually you do. So now it's
Jones and Ghano. We didn't get Jones aspinall, we're fighting
to get Elia versus Islam. We didn't get Connor versus Chandler.
We didn't get despite a similar sort of four year
bill that felt like to that one. And I'm not

(22:48):
saying each of those fights on its own saves the
day or is the biggest thing ever. But this is
becoming a bad trend. So maybe you're right, Maybe that's
I mean, it's not like John didn't know this was
going to be the next fight when he beat Steepey November.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
So may I say one more thing, BC?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Please avoid that you know, more buttholes being shown on
this guy?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yes, are you next? Are we going to see the
BC's butthole?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Is that f in Friday's Luca right?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
F and find out here here's the other thing that
just deserves to be said. And there's not really enough
of a I don't know. I don't think there's been
enough acknowledgment of it. The first time that they tried
to book the miochicch fight, it was stupid, and then
John gets injured, and I remember after that I was like,
this is your chance. Oops, let me turn this. I

(23:33):
got this thing off like that. This is your chance
to walk away. This is the UFC's chance to walk
away and people be like, what are you gonna do?
You're just going to cancel the fight. Yes, that is
exactly what you had to do, because look where it
got us. It gave John a bullshit fight against a
guy who had absolutely no business being in there, with

(23:55):
him being in there really with anybody at that point.
I mean, that's the reality of where Stipe was. And
now we have to delay the fight that was supposed
to have been made yet basically another freaking year. If
you had never made that Stepe fight and you had
made the deadline for John versus Tom last November three
h nine, we're never in this position to begin with.

(24:17):
All of the boosters of the Jones Bochiic fight, you
are the architects of this mess. You helped contribute to
this stupid scenario that we're in, where we're now playing
this very frustrating and annoying waiting game for a possibility
that might not even emerge long term. All for what,

(24:38):
So John could beat up a guy who should have
never been in the octagon, not merely with him, but
with anybody ranked anywhere in the top fifteenth of the
WEE tell me congratulations.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Aspinall versus Stepe while John was out and then John
fight's the winner. That's what you have to do when
injuries like the one that happened to John happened that
put him out a year. I'm not saying you had
to strip them. They didn't do that, but they didn't
have to do that, but they could have moved this
division along. Now it's it's it's see at the end
of the day, even if this gets made, it doesn't
matter whose fault it was. It doesn't matter who's fault.
Right now, everybody looks bad. I hope from their sake

(25:11):
they can save it. But to act like right now,
there isn't a problem in combat sports with three letters,
And it's not the UFC luke what by proxy it is,
but it's TKO. I mean, like, look at this debacle
with Turkey and Canelo Crawford that they're not talking about.
No one knows what's going on. Now we got this
Aspinal Jones thing they're not talking about. No one knows

(25:31):
what's going on. Then ww WHI wash already announced next
year's WrestleMania would be in New Orleans, just suddenly changes
that and they're gonna go back to Vegas for the
second straight year and New Orleans is like what the
f and people are like, are you doing to make
good with Allegiance because you may have lost that Netflix
Craws Canelo like, there's just like this look TKO is

(25:52):
the worst thing to happen to combat sports since CTE.
But we already knew that. But there's still time to
get your shit together here, especially with this giant TV
deal up next. If you can't play the hits, which
should it be in my opinion, automatic making the biggest
and best fights happen, or if you can't make it,
move on in a timely manner to the next big
one rather than doing exactly this a Mayweather Pachio like

(26:15):
soap opera that it's going nowhere, Luke, And it's embarrassing
And are we just haters here or do we rely
a certain part of our income on this great promotion
being a great promotion. Yeah, some of that's true too,
So get your shit together, please, let's go stop jacking
up prices. What is it seven hundred dollars to sit

(26:37):
in the nosebleeds at three eighteen to watch a Marvin
Vctori Brendan Allen Co main event? Yeah, it is right now.
That's literally where we're at right now. This is all connected, Luke,
So why don't I ask you the other thing connected
with the fans' anger today, which is we think no
Cha is going on? We think we think no Cha
is going on in Wadalajara the same day now as

(26:58):
Canello Crawford, even though Danny Segura is tweeting that, you know,
the Arena is canceling every event right now and isn't
gonna be up until like a week before that show.
But we have no public on the record about that either,
because Dana got on his private jet at the end
of three fifteen and didn't talk to the media again.
So what about this mosar Evloyev thing? In Noche? Volkanovski's

(27:20):
the champ and it looks like all signs are pointing
to a rematch against Yai Rodriguez, a guy he dominated
and knocked out. The stats that you can really that
you can read related to this are are hella damning.
But they could have probably done a hot comaine of
hot blood of Diego Lopez here against Yair who he hates,

(27:40):
and then done Volkanovsky mosar Evloyev in the main event
What are we doing here with this? Is this defendable?
Is this forgivable? Is this no check card even gonna happen? Luke?
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (27:51):
So?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, there's a few things that you're asking there,
but let's sort of unpack it. First of all, the
guy who asked the question to I think it was
Dave Shaw following the last card in Mexico is Rodrigo
del Campo. He's out of Claro Sports and I'm saying
it the most gringified way here, but he's out of
Claudo Sports in Mexico. He had asked them because he
had known that there was shows being canceled left and

(28:13):
right from that Guadalajara venue, and in fact, BC, I
don't know if you know this, they've canceled all events
all the way up through September fourth. You might be saying, well,
when's UFC three twenty schedule for that venue September thirteenth,
And they've already scheduled, They've already canceled everything all the
way up to September fourth, nine days before that. This
seems ominous to begin with. So that's partly an issue there.

(28:38):
But Rodrigo had brought up an interesting point, but I
think is quite correct. He's basically arguing, like the Mexican
roster as it stands is simply not really prepared to
host a pay per view if you want to have
like Mexican stars at the top of it. It just
doesn't really make a lot of sense that it should
have been a fight night. And if it was a
fight night, you could have just put Yayir versus Diego
at the top of it and it's done. Deal. Have

(29:00):
a pay per view with Mozar and and Vulk somewhere else,
and you're in great shape at that point. But they're
trying to combine everything and it simply doesn't make a
lot of sense. Now, I am open to the argument
that Mosar is, without question the number one contender. I mean,
this is this is not even debatable, right like this,
this is the guy if we're talking about meritocracy. However,

(29:20):
he is a largely anonymous and unknown figure to anyone
except the hardest of hardcore fans. So I could at
least understand the UFC having some trepidation about it. But
the problem is, Dude, Yayer is utterly undeserving of this opportunity,
and I'm okay with guys getting main events in their
hometowns or their home countries, certainly where it makes a
lot of sense. But just giving him a fight that

(29:43):
he doesn't deserve because they have to match a pay
per view demand in a market that they put themselves
on to to match these uh, basically, you know, too
lofty of a standard given the realities is ludicrous.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I mean, if you yeah, it's a problem AF problem,
it's not a nuts problem. You guys did that to yourselves.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
BC. The first fight is not competitive. I implore everyone
to go watch that.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Let me read these quick stats that Ben the Bayin
Davis tweeted out. Yeah, here Rodriguez is one in three
in his last four fights. Two of those he lost
by stoppage. One of those was him getting crushed and
knocked out in the third round by Volkanowski in a
title fight, and the one win to get here was
a victory over thirty seven year old Patricio Pipple, who
was making his UFC debut. On the flip side, most Ivloyev,

(30:32):
who's going to be fighting in the summer, by the way,
and getting skipped over in Abu Dhabi at a fight
night before maybe getting the next title shot. He's nine
to zero in the UFC. I know he's boring his
shit to some people, but he's got wins over number two,
Diego Lopez, number six, Arnold Allen, number nine, the former
champion in al Jo, and how about number fourteen Dan

(30:54):
Igay and he's not getting a title shot. So look,
is this similar to Roundtree getting the call because Poton
had beaten everybody else? Uh No, it doesn't really feel
like that. I get that they're not in the most
perfect position except for you actually are you have a
guy who's nine to oh, he's a number one Cottender

(31:16):
nine and oh and beat all these ranked guys like
let's go. Does Volkanovsky not sell as a as a
pay per view main event? If you put like I
mentioned that Lopez I eir fight in the comane and
load the card up with nationals, I think it still sells.
It's not like they're trying to jack up the main
and comines lately. So outside of also some big moments
this summer.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Also another problem is, like you know, back when the
UFC was making schedules again, you know they put they
put Crews versus TJ in Boston, and you can say
what another They made a lot of sounds great fight obviously,
but it's a great card. But the point I'm trying
to make is, uh, fuck, I forgot my goddamn train
of thought about this whole fucking shit. I'm sorry, BC,

(31:57):
I forgot all right.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
When you said train, I'm like, do you mean drops
of Jupiter or Osborne? Which way?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh I was gonna say this. I was gonna say
this though, like to the point where it could have
been a pay per view down to a fight night.
I mean, one thing that's really missing I think from
the UFC these days, BC is like creating a platform
for things to happen, right, And yeah, they're doing press
conferences and everything, but it's all very formulaic. They're not
doing any kind of white gloves special treatment for anything.

(32:24):
And sometimes when things pop off, they're just not letting.
They're not catching that wave and surfing it. So for example,
we all saw what happened between Diego and Yair, Like,
you can't tell me that the Mexican fans would reject
that as a main event. You simply cannot, And you
cannot tell me that the American fans would, or any
fans in Europe or really fans anywhere. You can't do that.

(32:47):
But what's kind of interesting bec is they're not like
they when they have an ability to book places whenever
they want, but they're a little bit more beholden to
going to places when they get paid to go. So
could they just go and again make nocha UFC a
fight night, then take Vulk back to Australia at some

(33:09):
point in that month and have mosts are travel what
mosts are going to say, I'm not gonna travel. Of
course he's going to fucking travel, right, so that you
can easily make that fight. But do they want to
go back to Australia when they've already got a bit
of a set calendar based on what various government agencies
or tourism boards New South Wales included but not limited
to only them are paying them for right, We've already

(33:31):
we're going to go to Australia on these dates because
they're paying for us at these times, rather than giving
yourself the flexibility to go when it makes sense for
a main event or a particular matchup or a moment
in time. And so all of these sort of fixed
ways of doing business, these fixed ways to meet content demand,
reduces the flexibility that they need to match the reality

(33:54):
on their roster.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah yeah, and if they can't, they're showing that they're
so despite being so far ahead financially, they're so far
behind when it comes to the combination of matchmaking and
storytelling and actually planning things out. Everything seems to be
a last minute bundle throw together. From UFC three hundred

(34:15):
last year to the way that the UFC three fifteen
main event instantly dictated the summer schedule. Luke, it's I'm
really not trying to like dunk in tea bag for
the sake of you know, of clicks or what else
do we have to talk about in a Friday. It's
really legit concern, like this goes beyond we figured out
how to beat the game financially, and it's just us

(34:37):
against us, and we're just tinkering with new ways of
putting money in our shareholders' pockets. This is like, you're
fucking this up and you're making it not as fun anymore.
And it looks like you can polish up a few
different things and raise the morale pretty easily if you
wanted to. So let's get back to that, because it

(34:58):
is a fertile time. You've got the TV deal coming up, Like,
let's get back to that. Make it about the fights,
the fighters and the storylines first in the schedule. In
a lot of ways, will will right itself in that regard,
or or put a little more thought into how this
is working. And I know it's not easy, and there's injuries,
and guys don't want to fight other guys. I know that,
But you have a monopoly. You have an insane amount

(35:21):
of money. You have all the ingredients to make the meal,
make the freaking meal.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, you've got more money than any combat sports promoter
in the history of combat sports. This should not be
that difficult.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Thank you. Uh Lou quickly on where Jones is in Thailand.
It is that MMA Russian show. It turned into it.
It turned into a hell of a shit show there
of Nate Diaz getting involved in a fight. Jake Shields
played back the thing. I mean, it's it's I guess
it's what you expect from those type of shows. But
uh yeah, John Jones did put out a video explaining it.

(35:55):
But look, we could just move on. Yeah, who cares,
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right for your plan. Additional terms apply. See website for details. Luke,
now it's time to get back into the fights and
topic number two. We design this to put a smile
on your face. All right, let's talk about what we
do have this summer scheduled out in terms of fights
that were already announced. Here when you look ahead over

(37:41):
the next three months, Luke, which previously announced UFC fight
has you the most excited? We're gonna rank each of
them from five to one, and we're gonna alternate. Luke,
So why don't you, of fights that are already booked,
tell me your number five and why you're so fired up?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
May I call it very quick, audible quick one. We
have a pretty similar list from five to one, So
if I may very quickly, I'll just quickly go through it.
I have five honorable mentions that don't make I think
your list or my list, but are actually primo fights
to look forward to. Yes, all right, here we go

(38:18):
BC again in no particular actually this is in like
chronological order essentially. UFC three sixteen Gasoline Pifer. I'm actually
very excited about that fight in maybe Cal.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Do you think Gasolam will be fighting with a heavy
shoulder and the pulse of the Mexican national fan base
after Pifer just ripped it heal promo on that country
and said he's never coming back. I know Gaslom is
a Mexican American, but you know, we can get some
old school WWF nationalistic storylines in this show.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, I mean it was partly racism too, not just nationalism,
but who knows. All right, UFC Atlanta Rose Down a
Unis Miranda Maverick. I'm not exactly expecting necessarily the best fight,
but the stakes are pretty interesting for me.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It's a crossroads fight in that division, and straight up.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
This one is I think I almost put this in
my top five. UFC Baku Raphael Fhaziv Ignacio bab Mundez. Oh, buddy,
that is going to be an absolutely zic ass fight.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I can in a moment like this, you just let
the rhythm take you over. Luke.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's right. UFC three seventeen, we already know about this one.
A Brandon Royvilt taking on Manel cop is a really
interesting fight.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
And then of a main event, worthy of one, worthy
of a main event, to be.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Fair, I agree. And then for UFC Abu Dhabi, you
could pick the main you could pick the Komaine, but
down on that list's got to be mostar versus Aaron
Pico if they end up actually making that one.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Can we also shout out that Jamal Hill and Azerbaijan
versus Roundtree will be a banger. Yes, yes, if I
get a chance, I will, yes, yes, right, you know
what I'm saying, A bangor like straight from Maine, Luke,
you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
It Begor Maine. That's right, all right? For my top
five for number five for the rest of the summer,
give me Kamara Usman Jaki Buckley your main event for
UFC Atlanta aka UFC on ESPN sixty nine June fourteenth,
very simply stated, BC, this is an easy one. I
think this is going to be Buckley ushering in the
end or the beginning of the end, anyway of Kumoru's career.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
And I feel like you've wanted that end to come,
like you're ready for that. I'm ready to him, for
him to not be ranked in the top five a welterweight,
but you're like, I'm ready for him to be gone.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I'm just I'm a little surprised. Here's what I've been
kind of reacting to. Very surprised that people are like, oh,
the top fighters in the in the walterweight division, like
shot Cutt and JDM and Usman, And I'm like, yeah, no,
he's on the way out. He's on the way out,
and they're making this fight because he's on the way out. No, obviously,
he's the second best walterweight champion of all time. He's

(40:45):
had an extremely distinguished career. But like the tape on
that third and I know he looked halfway decent against
under unenviable circumstances against Hamzad, but tape on that third
Leon fight, he looked bad. He did not look good
at all. And he's only gotten older, and I think more,
you know, relatively speaking for an athlete infirm, I think

(41:06):
Buckley's gonna be a real fucking bad fight for him.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, I'm interested in seeing that, but it's not gonna
lead us toward or would you like this? Kamaru Colby three?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
No, Jesus goot please?

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Does that sound like a like a like a an
upcoming pay per view Colemane event. It does kind of
sound like it.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Right, It sounds like one from twenty you know, twenty.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I mean i'd watch it. It'd be gross. But yeah,
I'm in Okay, I'm into your number five fight. I'm
gonna go number five, Luke, my only women's fight on
this list, and it's it's an interesting why I would
put this up here so high, But I'm gonna go
to UFC three sixteen June seventh, And of course, Juliana Pana,
the two cuns two times bantam waight champion, gonna defend
that title if she can make it at won thirty five,

(41:50):
Kayla Harrison, don't forget she was hospitalized when it was
like urinating blood last time out in that win?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Who was that against Luke?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Real quick?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
The Kayla Harrison win last.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Time, Kaitlyn Vieira, Joe Vieira, Vieira.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Thank you. So this is interesting, Luke, not in the
fact of like I mean, Kayla's a what minus seven
hundred something like that favorite, which is insane and wild here,
but I also kind of understand and agree with it.
I just want to see if Kayla can, as they
said for Cody Rhodes and his wwe run to the
top when he came back after leaving AEW finished the story.

(42:22):
I want to see if she can finish the story. Uh,
it's crazy that she's doing this at thirty five. I
don't know how long she can keep it up. I
know that I'm very harsh on Pania in general, but
I mean I think I'm justified. I don't hate her, Luke,
but this is she's being you know, set up here.

(42:44):
But she also can sell a fight. So let let's
let's get to this fight already, and let's see if
Kayla Harrison can bring some actual life not just to
Women's bandam Weight, but to Women's MMA in general by
waking up Amanda newness and maybe giving us a fight
that like both from story and from execution, we would
care about in high level UFC women's MMA. I'd like

(43:05):
to see that.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think that's totally fair. I mean, it's just insane
that Kayla's trying to do this at a place that
doesn't make any sense for her athletic ability in terms of.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
The way too much store that's open for Luke they
closed up.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
You know, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
You just find her and Pacheco and have a featherweight
divisional or go to women's heavyweight already.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Please, I get it. Believe me, I understand. It's just
it's unfortunate that that's where we are. But okay for
my number four B see, this one is a very
easy call. This is just such a great fight. It's
impossible to not like. This will be on July twenty sixth,
usc Abu Dhabi's main event, Robert Whittaker taking on Rhinier
or Renier de Ritter RDR man Bobby Knuckles versus the

(43:45):
Dutch Knight. What is there not to like about this one?
Whittaker badly needs to get back on the winning ways,
obviously after a terrible performance against Hamzat, and if RDR wins,
he might be the next one to fight homsat Of
course it depends what happens and later that summer, But
I mean RDR has been such a breath of fresh
air in the UFC, such a breath of fresh air.
At one five. Whittaker a consummate professional, a tough out

(44:09):
for everyone. Again, didn't go well against tomsap but I'm
you know, fight over a fight that's a reasonable expectation,
really interesting style clash, interesting different body types. Man, what
a fight this is gonna be. Can't wait and and
on Free TV can't wait.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Free ninety nine. You know I love that, Luke. I
love this fight so much. I have it at number
four as well on my countdown here Casey Caseum and
everything you said, it's I never thought this would be
a crossroads matchup in the middleway title fix sure to
find out who's coming or who's going in Whittaker trying to,
you know, hold that line that he's still even though

(44:43):
it's in the second half of his career, and we
can see him lose and even lose disastrously at this
level like now has happened twice Toms and DDP. At
the same time, he gets a win and bounces back
and shows us that superman ability again. He's back in, Dude,
He's back in, and he just that he's a living legend.
But momentum matters, and our DR is one of those

(45:05):
old school specialists that we barely see and that's entertaining
when somebody's a one hit wonder. But man, that that hit,
that hit will seduce you, Luke. So I want to
see if our DR can do this because if he adds,
if he adds a fourth win, and this time Bobby
knuckles in what nine months in his UFC run, is
he knocking on the door? Is it time? Luke? Is

(45:27):
it is it time? Is DDP gonna get up in
that bullpen? Is that what's happening here?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
That's what's happening if under the under that scenario.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yes, the wild, that's I know, like it's not that
wild in reality. People have gotten title shots and then
we never heard from them again. But like for our
DR and the arc and where he was, and he
just walked out of his contract by the way, and
like took the chance that legally it would all work out.
You know, did did a Lee do it? Do it?
Do him a solid behind the scenes there?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I don't know, But whatever whatever was, whatever happened, it works,
so it's good for us.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I guess all right, Luke, let's continue this UFC good
News tour to top it to fight number three on
the summer calendar.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
So now we're going to get to the meat of
the summer, and for me, we're now forced to. I mean,
your mileage may vary. But oh and by the way,
I forgot one more fight that was supposed to be
a honorable mention taking on Ami El Bosi. I forget
which card that's on, but that one's going to be
a fucking.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Can we add Can we add Macy Barbara Aaron Blanchefield
to that list? Or will you not accept that? Because
I'm hella intrigued about that.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I'm pretty interested the problems they made it a main event.
If it was just another fight, I think.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Don't you want it five rounds? Because it's if Macy wins,
she's getting a title shot, most likely in a crowded division.
That's got to be a five round fight, Luke. It's
got to be for someone that still cares about the
meritocracy of women's MMA, and not just the only fan
side side of it, or not at all that side
of it, Luke, although you paint that picture of me often.

(46:56):
I mean, you know, it's like, you know, what, what
are you trying to say?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Paint that picture? You mean take a photo, h Luke.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
So that's what'd you say? Was your number three?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Again? It was gonna oh so my number three? Getting
back to it, I'm gonna go Dustin Poarier, Max Holloway
three now for a couple of reasons. Obviously it's very
high on the list. It's hello, it's number three. Now.
We've seen it before twice. But I do think this
time is different. Poitiers at the end of his run,
I think you're gonna You've always gotten, you know, the
best out of Poier every time win or lose. Well,

(47:29):
I mean Michael Johnson fight wasn't his best, but you
know what I mean, Like, he doesn't ever phone it in.
He he might make mistakes, but he always gives whatever
he has. So I'm not really saying anything about that.
But Max, I think is gonna be I guess some
questions about him after that's a Poorio loss. However, I
think that they really understand how to go to fifty
five now and what that's supposed to look like. And
how he's supposed to feel. And I think you're gonna

(47:49):
get a different Max, the Max that beat up justin Gaetgee,
which is exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I think this is I might favorite Max in this one.
In fact that I think I will say that I
am favoring Max and.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
The he passes a slight favorite.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Slight favorite, Okay, interesting, Yeah, that's probably about how I feel.
I think I probably would consider him a slight favorite
to win. But I mean, two legends of the fight Game,
two adored figures, one on his way out, BMF title
on the line. I mean, there's just so much to
like here.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
It's my number three, all right, Luke, you'll be seeing
that fight in my countdown moving forward. But let's hit
number three first on mine, and that's Ilia Taporia versus
Charles Olivera. It is the summer blockbuster, the main event
of the International Fight Wee Card UFC three, seventeen June
twenty eighth. I think what maybe holds it back, although
number three for the summer is a pretty high nod

(48:39):
just the same, but for how much sex it is
on paper, the fact that it's the consolation to Ilia
Islam I mean, I'm not gonna be like sore over that,
but holy shit, I wanted to see that fight and
I felt like it was right there. And I know
there's another argument to that, and maybe we can get
into it in a minute regarding it related to Mahachev
and everything connected there, But come on, you know why

(49:00):
we need to see it. There's so much information we
need to get from this to find out if we
still are on the road one day to Ilia Islam,
maybe even under some incredible circumstances, like for a third
championship at Walter Wait, if the series takes it there,
but we're never gonna know if it does take it there,
if this man la Leanda who cut ties with his

(49:20):
training staff Luke so he can now train at home
full time with his brother, if he's the real deal here,
we gotta find this out. This is the perfect dangerous
ex champion to do it with, and it's gonna be
entertaining as hell. I mean, look, isn't this a fight
that you wish you could pause your normal life and
how you get down and how you feed your family
And oh, I'm getting ready to go on YouTube or

(49:42):
I gotta write a story or whatever. I just want
to pause all that and sit as deep in the
a throw as I possibly can, put the TV up
to my face, Luke, and just you know, visually, you know,
pleasure myself, right.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I don't watch fights? Hi?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Okay, Well, I was saying, you know, there's just such
a sometimes I will.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Wouldn't it be great if you could just take drugs
and masturbate while two guys fist fight? And I'm like, no, no, no,
it wouldn't be Okay, there you go, Luke.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Time for your number.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I have some feedback. I think it is borderline criminal
that you put that one at three.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Oh wow, Okay, get spicy here, Luke.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
How can you put two fights? I can understand not
having it one, but how can you put two fights
above a guy going for a second weight class title
after icing Vulcan Max back to back. I'll tell you
insane that you think there's two fights better than that one?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I'll brilliantly slide right into my answer for number two here, Luke. Okay,
And I know that it's a controversial answer, but my
number two was Luke's number three, Dustin Poier versus Max
Holloway three. Even though even though Pourier's two to zero
coming in, even though it's you know, pretty much a retirement.
It's like a victory lap type of deal. The reason
why is this, Luke. First and foremost, I told you

(51:05):
about the Ilio Charles being the consolation prize, A hell
of a consolation prize. Look, there are some good mountaintop
peaks this summer. We're ranking them right now. Let's celebrate that.
I love that fight. But I think sometimes you're allowed
as a fan, it's preferred. The same reason why people
get fired up for the next Superman versus Batman, you know,

(51:26):
all star game, comic book, superhero movie, maybe because that's
all they know how to write, Luke in this era.
But like it's an all star game, Oh, Jason versus Freddie.
It's probably gonna suck, but I gotta see it. There's
part of that, like you know what, Like it's a
combo of bushido and love and respect for what these
guys are and what they do. And then also I
know that they're gonna entertain me while honoring each other,

(51:49):
while honoring the sport. There's a lot of heavily soaking
with romanticism in there, Luke. But like we're all fans
and sometimes that's the uh, that's the lane we deserve
to be in every once in a while. To look
at it from that point of view, this is action.
You know, Poorier is gonna go out in a blaze
of glory. If this is the last fight he's gonna
I mean, he's gonna go out. Max is gonna point

(52:10):
to that ship in the middle of Luke. It's like
the actors are there. The play is gonna be incredible.
Get Get I'm allowed. I almost made that number one
Luke for that same reason. The rare moment where you
don't need a title and in this case, you don't
need bad blood either. We can do this through respect.
I wouldn't want to share it with anyone but you

(52:31):
for the last match. Like it's almost like a pro
wrestling flare Shawn Michael's type of feel you know, I
love you.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Here's the SuperM May never does those right, That's why
I kind of like right, but even in reality, like
even when they try to do it like, it doesn't
it doesn't really work for the most part. Like it's
not gonna be that. I mean, it'll be a great fight,
And that's why it's on my list, But I just
think trying to say that that's got something more to
it than what then then, like Eliot's a Portia who,

(52:57):
from what we can tell we'll see, appears to be
the next big thing in the sport, going up a
new weight class.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Are you saying that's your number two, Luke? Is that
what you're saying that we just had him flip flopped?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Well, my number two I just dropped off in the commode.
But you know what I'm saying. No, well, yes, actually
that's what I'm saying. My number two is in fact
to Pooria versus Olavera. Now, I did struggle with this
one in terms of like is it my number one
or my number two. I had a little bit of
a hard time putting it. Well, I didn't know where

(53:30):
to put it. I mean, I knew it was one
of the two. I just didn't quite know. I didn't
put it at number one for a very important reason,
which I'll get to when we talk about number one.
But the reason why it's obviously as high it is
is on my list is I just don't think I mean,
listen to Pooria's changing coaches moving to Madrid, or I
think he's already moved to Madrid, but you know, changing

(53:50):
coaches and fucking with his nickname and all this nonsense,
these are all things that could definitely be red flags.
I mean, I certainly am not immune to that idea whatsoever.
But at the same time, his talent is considerable, his
trajectory appears to be for the moon, and this is
in all likelihood the next step in that direction. Charles

(54:11):
is a very worthy adversary, but he's also a bit
shop worn, and that's probably not going to do him
any favors against a guy whose power is and accuracy
is as considerable as this. Plus Charles is a bit
hittable now, of course.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Something important. That's part of the reason. Also, I didn't
want to say it. That's part of the reason I
put that at three and not two. The fear that
Charles is is like made to order.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
That the fear of that, I think made to order
is a little strong. But I can understand some of
those concerns. I just feel like, you know, let me
say something like, when Morob was going through the Contendership
Q and he eventually becomes champion, I just didn't think
he would ever do it, especially after he lost to
Ricky Simone and now he's champion and he hasn't quite

(54:56):
cleaned out thirty five. That's not true, but he's obviously
put in a pretty heavi dent and I didn't get
to enjoy it, like in terms of like I kept
doubting him and doubting him and doubting him and doubting him.
But like, I did not have that problem. When, for example,
Habib was coming up, I kind of had an eye.
I was like, oh, this guy is different, and I'm
like every time he went out there, you know, the

(55:17):
ally I quent to fight was weird because it came
together at the last second, but you know, in general,
everything he did just escalated and escalated and escalated, and
it was incredible to watch. I got to enjoy it.
I don't know how everyone else feels, but I'm I'm
enjoying watching the ascension of one of the sport's brightest stars.
And I think this next step is going to put

(55:38):
him in a very very different place, Like we're dealing
with a different level of history here. You know, it's
very weird for me, Like the guy that that Ilia
just iced, it's hard for me to put him above
Ilia in terms of whose next fight is better or
more meaningful. To me, that that's kind of the issue.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Is it fair to say, though, that if to Poria
has the potential to be as great as you're sort
of teasing there, and and be as big of a
star in all the metrics that we always talk about
in multiple nations, then should this be a Conor McGregor
to Poria fight in reality? Instead?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Should that have been the dude? I don't give a
fuck if he never fights again.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
I'm not, no, I get you that this would be
one hundred percent the promotion using what's left of his
name to add that on top of this rising rocket,
don't I don't.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I don't care. I mean, I cannot overstate this. I
don't care if we ever see him again. I don't.
It doesn't matter. I don't think about him at all.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I get that. But do you think only in terms
of matching to Poria and trying to make him the
biggest star that from a company strategic standpoint, I'm actually
a little surprised that they didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Go that way. I mean, in a world where that
was available, I suppose that there's that sort of an
ironclad argument, But in the world in which we live.
It's utterly irrelevant at this point. You know, I just
don't don't. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I literally don't even think about it. I don't think
about Connord.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Only relevant if you care about attempting to try to
build somebody into that star. I know it's a volatile game.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I know, how would you even know? How would you
even get him to fifty five? Much less? You know,
I just I don't even know how that's possible.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Oh, you'd have to catch weight that, but that'd be
part of the allure. You'd have to pry a fighting
over his head and wait decidedly, just like Conor did
against Nate.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
To be fair, you know what someone said, though, kind
of a separate point is what if Saryuki fought Patty
Pimblet And I got to tell you, first of all,
I fucking love that fight, and winner of that gets
Iliya like to me, that's like real exciting, you know, all.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Right, Louke, can we agree on the final point here,
which is our number one fight for the summer? I
think we got the same one here because it's the
best fight and it's August sixteenth, ats UFC three nineteen
in Chicago, and it is Drikis Duplessi continuing this incredible
run at middleweight against undefeated Hamzad Chamaya, who could beat
this dude in sixty seconds for all we know, or

(58:00):
it's gonna be twenty five sweaty minutes of finding out
who chamayav really is. Lather me up, sign me up. Yeah,
I wish I could suspend all work, you know, duties
and just get one on one with this, luke. You
know what I'm saying. Yeah, let's go, let's get let's
really enjoy the fights, right, let's get.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
VC's new podcast, the MMA five Knuckle Shuffle. We'll watch
fights and jack off together.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Undelieing that the main card minute we got a little
bit of this too. I love that.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
I love that shit.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Thank you very much. Log I will look for joining
my dunk. Luke, what say you? It's the same thing, right,
You got those same loin calling feelings going on right now?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, I mean, Ilia trying to get a second title
in another weight class is its own kind of specialness.
But the reason why I ended up putting as well
as you did BC DDP versus Chamaya of number one
is because it's got the most interesting questions and storyline
of any fight that they've created at any point in
this calendar year. Now again, if they end up making

(58:59):
John and Tom, that's it's, that's its whole other. I mean,
that's that's that's better than anything else that can make
on the calendar arguably. But this one is special. This
one is very special. Hamzat was a guy we thought
was gonna be already at this point years ago and
got delayed for crazy reasons, health visas, whatever. But he's
finally here. They're finally putting in North America in a

(59:21):
major market on pay per view, and it looks like
it looks like BC he's maybe answered all the questions,
except you know, that first Sauti Arabia fight didn't go
right and then they had to rebook it, and of
course he looked amazing when they got a second chance
at it. But there's a lot of questions about him,
like he appears to be like the most dominant fighter,
and in certain ways he might be like insanely vulnerable.

(59:43):
We don't, we don't really know, we don't, we don't
really have a good answer. And then DDP DDP, the
world's goofiest fighter who also happens to be an absolutely
amazing talent, by the way, a physical presence, a bulldozer
when he has to be, and fights that way as well, resilient,
mentally tough, and absolutely battle tested. The questions heading into

(01:00:05):
DDP Hamzat are much more interesting than they are against
Ilia versus Charles, just on your fight terms, and for
that reason, it is absolutely my most anticipated fight of
the summer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
We share that at number one. Maybe not a surprise
to some, but let me throw the wildcard question in there.
We know this fight's coming, but it's not booked yet.
It could be October in Abu Dhabi. We are talking,
of course about the welterweight title Jack Della Maddelena and
the number one pound for pound fighter in the world,
Islam Mahachev after putting down the lightweight title, and this

(01:00:38):
is part of that consolation prize we get for not
getting Ilia Islam. Right now, Luke, where would this fit
into your top five if it was announced today?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Oh? Crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Is it crazy to go one? Luke?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Oh, it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Do you see how Jack Islam is in the training
videos right now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Oh yeah, let's go I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I'd have to think about that one a little bit
more certainly in the top three. I mean, I might
put it number two only because it's got basically everything
that number that that that that Olivera and Tipori has.

(01:01:23):
But Islam is a obviously a pop pun number one,
so that to me is just a bigger deal. But again, dude,
the questions surrounding DDP and hamzat the kind of fight, like,
as a fight fan, deep in your soul, you just
don't know the answer to I know a lot of
people like, oh DDP is gonna mall them? Or Hams
that's gonna mall you motherfuckers don't know. You don't know shit,

(01:01:44):
you don't know. What you really know is the uncertainty.
And you're trying to dismiss the uncertainty by like asserting certainty,
which you don't have. The reason this fight is is
so amazing is because of the uncertainty. That's actually what
makes it so Trying to deny it's there is trying
to deny what in fact makes it special.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Congratulations, listener, you played yourself from Luke Thomas right there. Luke,
speaking of fire and shots, Mahachev's been under fire from
a honest speaking, part time villain and full time gangster
in one and only Chail Son, and who did apologize
this week to that couple that he brutally beat up
at the luxur when he was on that medication. Good lord,

(01:02:26):
that's a wild situation. But this was a sentiment so
heavy that we had to bring in our friends at
Kuervo again for this week's shots Fire. Here is Chail's
son and speaking his truth about Mahachev's decision to move

(01:02:47):
up and wait.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
Islam did everything you could do to avoid that fight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
That's just the truth, guys, that's just what happened. I
don't know Iliya. I know Islam.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
I like Islam a lot happen to be a fan
of Illia, but I mean, I don't know him, but
it's still what happened. Islam did everything you could conceivably
do to not fight Illio, including leave the division, including
leave the championship. Hey, if you don't fight this guy,
we're gonna strip you of your championship, strip me of
my championship. Is nothing more that Illy could do in

(01:03:21):
our industry, nothing, There is nothing that exists, giving a belt,
leaving publicly walking away from it all to hunt a
guy down. There is nothing more that Islam could do
in our industry. Truly, these are literal statements. There is
nothing in our industry that is a stronger way to

(01:03:41):
get away from somebody than to leave the division and
even leave the championship behind.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Now, Luke, to be fair, Chill says a lot of
things about every topic every day. But I don't think
you're gonna back him on this. But I'm interested to
see is there any part of that that's truthful? Speak
your truth, Luke?

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Is there any part of it that's true? I mean,
I don't think it's.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I don't think there's much value in it. People want
to see the fight, and I don't think that's crazy,
and I think there are people who think to Poria
could beat him. I'm one of them. But what has
to Poria done at fifty five that necessitates Islam wait
for him when he doesn't have much time left in
the sport and he's got his own goals, which by

(01:04:34):
the way, include going up fifteen fucking pounds and fighting
those guys. If he had a resume at fifty five
and Islam wasn't going to go anywhere or even if
Islam wasn't even going to go anywhere. That's one thing too,
you know, maybe a slightly different conversation. I think what's
dogging Islam is that, you know, you just look at

(01:04:55):
some of the fights he's had where you know, the
last one was Moi Kano and he got the tie
shot off Green, which were not his faults. These were
all things that kind of fell in his lap. People
are saying he doesn't have the wins to necessitate just,
you know, going up and doing that kind of a thing.
And I don't think that's that's necessarily crazy at all.
But Islam has probably, like Habib, a very set time

(01:05:16):
in which he's going to call it a day. I
don't think he's going to ride this one out until
his late thirties. That doesn't sound right to me at all.
He's got a very very limited window left and he
has to strike while the iron is hot. He did
a favor to forty five twice in giving a shot
to Vulk. He wants to get that cashed. He doesn't
have to wait around for a guy into Poria, who,
by the way, are we gonna be what are we

(01:05:38):
gonna say if toa Portia goes up to fifty five
and he gets choked out from the back by Olavera.
We were going to say that Islam had to wait
around for that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Oh, I mean yeah, I mean that's a what if.
But yeah, I mean it's a possible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
It's a what if in either direction, you know. I mean, like,
you're talking about a guy who's got no resume. He's
got the Jai Herbert win, but other than that, he's
got really no resume in a UFC at fifty five. Now,
I think highly of him obviously, But this idea that
like Islam is ducking him dude, like Canelo. Like, if
you actually see what ducking looks like, it doesn't look

(01:06:09):
like what Islam is doing. Islam going to seventy after
beating everyone basically and everyone that within a timeframe anyway
that he had that is not the same thing at all,
especially against a contender who had at the elite level,
hasn't had a single fight in this weight class. No,
it's a strained argument.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
He's doubling down on daring to be great. He's going
up to a new weight class against a new champion
who looks like a killer. Inarguably a harder fight, depending
on your opinion, than the Tatorio one. So there's also
the argument to be made, of course, that he doesn't
owe this to the company, to the fans. You know
that he's his own businessman trying to navigate his career.
And again, and I always throw in this, we have

(01:06:50):
no idea if he has been talking to the UFC
about exiting the lightweight division for a while, and maybe
they've been encouraging him to stay, like you just don't
know how long that's been going on on. What Chail
seems to be attacking though, is like from the manhood
side of it, Like, no, that guy called you out.
He walked up to your front door and said, I'm
here to take over this division, So forget the good

(01:07:13):
business choice or anything like that. Is there any merit?
Maybe only a guy like Chail could say it, because
you know he was in that cage, Luke, and also
left you up at a at a LOWERD Sier Vegas
hotel at any point, including your significant other. But like
from that man mono I mono side, Luke, you're not
buying it either.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
No, No, I mean again, would it have been nice
to have seen the fight? Sure? Can you really say
that Islam is acting disreputably given the circumstances. I think
that's a very very weak argument.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
All right, that was shots fired, brought to you by Quervo.
Now's a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. We,
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(01:08:07):
gonna do things like men do there with the three
of us. It's gonna be epic. Look, it's gonna be incredible,
and Quervoux will be there along the way. Here's one
of Islam's many comebacks to Chill Sun and over social media,
in which he said chasing hype and money is not
the same as chasing greatness in sport. But average athlete
who built his way to the top with cheap trash

(01:08:29):
talk won't understand that. So please see and watch how
others doing it, Uncle Chail. That's probably the nicest of
the comebacks from Islam. And here's the argument from Chaill's
co host and cohort. There DC the teammate who came
out and said, this is the first time that Islam
put his wishes above what everybody else wants. He's defended

(01:08:50):
the belt multiple times. He's fought people on short notice,
is fought people coming up in wait. He's done everything
he can show that he's willing to lay it on
the line when Arman couldn't fight. Well, this guy was
number five with no training camp. He did it on
a day's notice. He's always done it. End quote. Even
though that's his boy talking about his boy. Luke, you
gotta also agree with that. I mean, it's a complicated scenario,

(01:09:12):
all right. Is there an argument for justin Gaigee in
your eyes of having gotten screwed over or is that
a topic that's moved to you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Ummm, screwed over is a strong word. But I can
understand why Gaichee might feel upset that he got passed over.
I don't think that's unfair either, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
All right, Annik defended him after going golfing with him.
But we we'll skip that. Luke. Let's get to topic
number three here so we can get time for over
Under and MK Jeopardy with a lot at stake at
the end of the show. You're not gonna want to
miss that, Luke, here's the deal. A bunch of online
reports in recent days suggesting that BKFC parent company Triller

(01:09:49):
could be close to going under amid bankruptcy rumors, threats
of Nasdaq delisting them, and a failure reported failure to
pay pay their employees the last three months. KFC, which
has a high value in that realm Luke, could be
in the need for new investors like asap and new ownership. So,
given I'm being honest here, this is a straight up

(01:10:10):
pitch to you. Given the failure of Power Slap, Given
the possibility slash like likelihood that TKO won't be in
the boxing future if that fallout with Turkey Olasik is real,
I don't know. Is now the time for TKO to
actually shift and pick up BKFC and make it the
biggest hand fighting thing in the world and take McGregor

(01:10:33):
off the bench and put him in main events there
and blow that thing to the sky. Does not this
not seem like a perfect marriage TKO and BKFC.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
First of all, can we take a moment to talk
about Triller, Is that a thing we can do?

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, it's a debacle, it's it's a it's a I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Mean, I remember, I'm looking at some of my old
tweets here. I have one from April seventeenth to twenty
twenty one. Triller is the moment Joe Namath tried to
kiss Susie Colbert, but as an entire event cold yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had people and there's you did too. There was
a lot of conversation at the time, like, oh, they're
reinventing the way we do combat sports. Un Like burning

(01:11:09):
money is not a reinvention of combat sports. You know,
wasting money is not a reinvention of combat sports. Just
dumping music acts into shows with questionable fights is a
reinvention of nothing. Now that's a separate conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
They smoked weed on air and offered a Trump cast,
so they've done things no one else is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah, they're the future BC, They're the future. I have
people telling me that's the future of combat sports promotion.
I'm like, you're new here, aren't you. Yeah? All right?
That aside that aside, should should TKO acquire BKFC, I
certainly hope not the last thing we need is for
TKO to expand its reach into the rest of combat sports,

(01:11:47):
which by the way, they're already trying and boxing. I
guess we'll see how that goes. And I know I've
been having a lot of discussions BC with some folks
behind the scenes this week. They're going to make a
big push into grappling here soon as well. And you know,
I don't I don't have anything to report, but it
looks like all the signs kind of point to Craig
Jones being on the opposite side of that, and so

(01:12:09):
there's a big battle that's going to be heading between
those two entities. I know exactly who's all going to
be on Craig Jones's side, but that's headed our way
as well, because what can what do they want to do?
It's the same playbook a million other places, and we
talked about it. If you fight on the Fight Pass Invitational,
it's show money and only sub money. Even if you win,
you don't get the second part of the check you

(01:12:29):
have to submit to get it. It's the it's somehow
even worse than their MMA contracts, if you can believe it.
But that is exactly where.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
We are, honest question here. Can it be a ZUFA LLC. No,
I know, technically endeavor purchase ZUFO when they purchase the UFC.
But could it be a Fortiita, Brothers and Dana like
spin off, like old school grassroots thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, I mean, I'd be cool with any kind. Listen.
I just think a lot of people have this, like
in this reflex where the all the gravitational pull in
the industry is coming from TKO. So there's this desire
when things are fledgling or new or maybe struggling but
interesting to then all have TKO come in and save it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
No, that is absolutely the last thing that we need now.
Of course I would like to see. Well, I mean,
I don't care if b KFC survives or not. I'm
not pushing them ill, I'm simply saying I I don't
have a dog in the fight in that way. But
what we do need, and what is a much healthier
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(01:13:36):
multiple different investors, multiple different kinds of communities, all sort
of working in concert or at least alongside one another.
That's what we actually need. So it's not that I'm
I'm wishing BKFC fail or something like that. What I'm
saying is I would rather that not everything go back
into the arms of TKO, where now they have yet

(01:13:57):
even more control over this vast industry and for all
the people like bellyaching about fights and this and that,
like your your answer to this is to give them
yet more of the assets in the industry, to give
them more control. This is a dis argument.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I mean, it's kind of shaking me to my Cora.
It's like, you know, if I can't open the show
ripping on the direction TKO is taking things in the
you know, fear and distaste it's putting in me and
then be like, yeah, just take this and rehabit when
it it doesn't need to be rehabbed. It needs a
power injection behind its particularly financial, but maybe even in vision.

(01:14:33):
But it also like the idea was if UFC guys
can can be in bigger moments there on BKFC, then
they can't. You know, if Jose Aldo rather than fighting
contenders and in our opinion him being wasted. But I
did watch his interview on Aeriel where he explained it

(01:14:53):
as if I'm not chasing the title, then I'm not
fighting like who am I? And I certainly respect that
sort of classic romanticized warrior you know motto there, But
I was thinking it more of like, well, it's a
better use for these guys to have a fun, bare
knuckle fight if you'd prefer that, that's going to be
hyped up big and make you a ton of money.

(01:15:14):
But maybe you'd make more of it if the same
bosses meet the new boss same as the old boss. Luke,
So I get that, I get that, But do you
think if it did happen, I'm being hypothetical, although you
could connect the dots and see a path for it
to happen. Do you think they could take it to
like mainstream, like legitimate mainstream level or is it always

(01:15:35):
going to be an extreme like novelty pay per view.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I don't. I don't know how mainstream BKFC can be.
Maybe I could be convinced, maybe you have a different idea.
It seems to me that like they do a lot
of business in grassroots, small markets, and they have a
lot of questionable characters on their roster.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, you know you see that that
that Britton Hart Music video that just came out. Am
I the only one that saw this. She's like rapping
and it's it's uh, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Interesting, Luke. I gotta see your algorithm. I would love
to see what it shows you a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Lot of future waitresses, Luke. Now I'm kidding, all right,
enough of that stuff. Okay, Hey, let's transition out of that,
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Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Well read well said Luke. Here, let's go to a
fun segment that we used to float around where your
BOYBC looks at the latest headlines and then pitches some
scenarios to Luke, where I give him a number and
he goes over or under based on the ridiculous or
legitimate scenario being offered him. Yes, this one's called show

(01:19:36):
me that graphic over under.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
We don't have a real graphic. I just use some generica.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Oh, there we go. There's a generic fill in. That's
what we are here, That's what we're reduced to. Well,
we can have some fun with it, Luke, I got
ten of them for you. You just tell me over
under look. PFL announced on Tuesday it has moved its
debut PFL Africa card in Capetown, which features Johnny Evlin
and Dakota Diva, to July nineteenth, which places it by
the way on the same day as Pacqui al Berrio's

(01:20:06):
Huaweiwei Holloway three, Usik dubois I and Bam Rodriguez in
a unification fight against Kafu. Oh yeah. The card also
starts in the US at four am Eastern time and
one am Pacific time, so we can all get our
Dakota fix, Luke, or at least my father Luke. The
number in question here is three and a half over

(01:20:28):
under the combined amount including this PFL Africa card, the
combined amount of MMA fights under the PFL banner that
Dakota Ditchiva, Francis Enganu, and Jake Paul arguably the three
biggest names on their rocke. Jake Paul. Yeah, there we

(01:20:50):
go until extinction, until the PFL packs it in, until
they hit bankruptcy. I don't know what's going to happen next.
Over under three and a half total fights, including this
one at PFL Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I'll take the under. I'll take the under, Okay, isn't
that to that? Paul won't Yeah, Jake Paul won't fight
at all. You might get one more from Francis. You'll
get a total of two from Dakota. That's it, Damn, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
That's where we're at. Luke's a that's a dark start,
all right. Let's go to topic number two. Devin Haney's father,
Bill trainer and manager as well, put out an official
hit list for his son. You can see it right
there on Twitter, showing the ten opponents that he wants most,
next number one being one hundred and forty pounds champion
Tao Femal Lopez Junior. So Luke Oscar de la Hooya

(01:21:45):
came out this week. He promotes Ryan Garcia. He says
they don't want the Hany rematch next. There's a lot
of hype behind Hany versus Tao coming next. Even Turkey
and Ring have been tweeting out things that suggests that
is the direction they're going next to a lot of
people would like Tao to go to one forty seven
and fight Boots, But here we go Devin Haney versus

(01:22:06):
Tayo Femo Lopez six and a half. That is the
over under on the amount of rounds that Haney would
win in a one hundred and forty seven pound bout
against Tayo Femo Lopez if they fought next.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Six and a half. I'll take the under. I think
Tao's a bad matchup for him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Ooh, how come, Luke, are you siding with Tim Bradley here?

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Yeah? I think Tayo, well not Tao. Bradley thinks Tao's
too much for Boots. I don't agree with that, but yeah,
I do think his athleticism and his ability to find
stuff with it and his craft is going to be
too much for a guy like Hani, who looked like
absolute shit in his last fight.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
All Right, that's interesting. I still I don't know if,
like it depends upon is Hany really broken or are
they just not taking any chances against Ramirez. The whole
thing was weird. Hani wasn't mentally yet there, But like,
if Hani bounces back, I could see in a boring
fight him getting seven rounds against.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Tao in sort of a I can't not right now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Okay, okay, maybe I'm still believing in something that doesn't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
Stop believen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
All right, Number three on the over unders. Have you
seen this viral video that's gone around showing like an
attractive mom who was wearing a Cannibal corpse t shirt
sitting in her car and complaining that high school kidance
counselors today don't push enough kids in the direction of
trades like plumbing in HVAC. It's obviously a big topic
in the news in politics these days. Let's just get

(01:23:46):
a quick snippet of it.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
So my eldest daughter just graduated high school. And do
you know what the guidance counselor never said, not one time, hey,
maybe look into the trades. Nobody at that school ever said, hey,
you could learn to fix an air conditioner and be
making six figures before your friends finish intro to what
the fuck am I doing with my life?

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
One oh one?

Speaker 9 (01:24:05):
Why do we still treat the trades like it's what
you do if you fail the SATs, Like knowing how
to install a furnace is somehow less valuable than writing
a twelve page paper on the symbolism and the Great Gatsby.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Oh there we go, Thank you Long, I have that
exact shirt. I didn't want to make you sit through
that if that wasn't the the uh, you know, if
it wasn't your topic of interest at the moment. But
here's the deal. Over under nine and a half percent
of females who own Cannibal Corb shirts that you assume
you would be willing to bang.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Having been now to many of these concerts, I am
absolutely taking the fucking under.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Oh maybe not a surprise, Maybe, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Maybe I'm taking the under big time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Are you surprised she was wearing that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah? Again I have seen. Okay, so I've been to
what six of them now, six of their show? Six
or seven?

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Your poor wife, wow, and at that time not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Including my beautiful wife. So we're putting her to this, like,
you know, we're not counting her. How many like pretty
girls have I seen? The answer is one?

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
One?

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
All right, Okay, well we'll move on from there. It
just gets darker and darker.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Number four, we talk a lot about the UFC's current
broadcasting deal with ESPN, which has set a new level
of expectation in the sense that there's an event nearly
every weekend. I mean, it's why the main card minute
is cleaning up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
They are there for you from the opening curtain Jerker
to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Right, that's the name of your podcast, Curtain Jerker and there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
It is like that a lot. Let's show the graphic here.
In twenty twenty four, just to show you, last year,
UFC did forty two total events, which isn't crazy. You
can go back to twenty fourteen when they did forty
eight events in twenty four so they've been busy as
busy before. But Luke, here's the over under question, and

(01:26:00):
I've got for you thirty one. If we consider, if
there's what fifty two weekends a year, thirty one over
under for you the ideal number of annual UFC cards
that would both bolster the quality of each fight night
and pay per view without slowing down or killing the
business financially.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
I could go over, but just slightly. I could do
no more than thirty five, and I think even that's
pushing it. I think it's closer to thirty two. Thirty
three is about right. I think thirty two to thirty
three is typically about right for them. So I'll take
the over, but not in some kind of dramatic sense
like you put it right near my limit. But technically

(01:26:43):
I can take the over.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
I could take the Long Island Luke would be a
death sentence to your addictive fan.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
You have to hang out with a significant other that
would do that would bring them up. No, but I
I like closer to like forty. I wish they just
spaced them out better. I know, like you know, fourth
of July week, there's certain weekends you kind of got
to take off. But I just wish they spaced them out.
But we have that whole month off in December and
then we have like twelve weeks straight.

Speaker 6 (01:27:05):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
I like that they kind of have a one month
off season for their employees and stuff. But I hear you,
you know, maybe you don't need that anymore, f the employees.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
A fuck about those employees, you know, No.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
He doesn't. Let's go to number five, Luke. Aaron Blanchfield
told MMA Fighting on Wednesday that she doubts straweight champion
jeonggwe Lee would find success at women's flyweight. She doesn't
even see her as a top five fighter. Let's listen quickly.

Speaker 10 (01:27:29):
Because I know that then now, if people want to
move up to another weight class, they're making them like
vacate their belt at like the lower way class and
like stay in the higher way class. But I'm not
sure if that's something like I'm sure way Lee wants
to by Valentino because who doesn't. Like they're both you know,
been around for a while, and it'd be a cool
champ first champ fight. But I don't know if she
wants to stay at twenty five and have to fight
the rest of the girls in that division. I think
that would be really hard for her. But you know,

(01:27:51):
I mean, if she moved up, I plan on winning
my fight and like a little less than three weeks now,
and then maybe I have to fight again, if I
fight like silver or something like that, and then I
can get a title shot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I mean, I feel like, no.

Speaker 10 (01:28:02):
Matter how it works out, it's it's gonna be soon.
I think Wayley would be very similar. I think she
could win some fights at at flyway because you know,
she is very good, but I don't see her being
a champ. I don't really see her even being top five.
I want twenty five. I think she's just I think.
I mean, Rose was able to beat her twice and
knock her out once, and Rose is like a little
bit bigger than Wailey at least like height wise, so

(01:28:25):
Wailey has even less of like advantage at one twenty five,
being even shorter. Yeah, I mean she could fight there,
but I don't see her being like top five or
champ at one twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Look a little gatekeeping right there from from Blanchfield. I
kind of like that, Luke for you. The over under
in question here is five and a half. Let's let's
put it to the test. The number of top ten
women's fly weights that you would favor Wailey Young to beat, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Now I need to see the list. Give me a
second here, put me on the spot, all right. Number
of flyweights I would pick for Jean Leleie to beat
so one you've got to tell youa silva tum and
off euro three grosso. She definitely beat her. Four Blanchefield,
I don't think so, and five Barber. Yeah, I'll take

(01:29:12):
the under I'll take it. Yeah, wow, okay, so five
and a half. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think.
I don't see that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Does that mean that you partially agree with Aaron Blanchfield
in this case?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Partially? Partially? I mean, I think on the right night
she's capable of beating just about anybody you know, but
consistently hacking away at it over time. Yeah, I'm skeptical,
especially now she's thirty what, thirty five, thirty six? Yeah,
I'm a little skeptical.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Interesting. Sometimes it makes people more youthful and better when
they go up and wait, Luke. I mean, but also
sometimes you can see that gap in size. Not everyone
can close that gap.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
I went up and wait during the pandemic. It didn't
make me more youthful. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
We got real fat The pandemic. Holy crap in hindsight,
let's go to number six Luke on this fun filler
game of ours. UFC Hall of Famer Militice unfortunately entered
a Iowa jail on Thursday to begin a thirty day
sentence dating back to a twenty twenty three DUI when
police found the fifty nine year old passed out behind

(01:30:11):
the wheel at a gas station with the car and drive. Militic,
of course, is an alumni Luke of the jan six,
twenty twenty one insurrection that notwithstanding, Luke, you're over under
is seventy three? The last age that you believe Pat
Militic could overtake me in a jail cell brawl to

(01:30:32):
the death one on one?

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
How old is he now?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
He is currently fifty nine? The over under a seventy
And I'm talking we're just straight up small, small area.
We're fighting to the death, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
I'll take I'll wait, So am I what's the question again?

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
Pat Militant and I are going to fight to the death?
And yeah, the number highest age he yeah, seventy three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
I don't think he can beat you at seventy three,
so I'd have to take the under. Wow. Okay, okay,
I'll look agent. Let's know this aging is fucking terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Yeah, but he has ground skills and heavy hands, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Yeah, but dude, a seventy year old man like one
good shot and they're.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Yeah, grand Grandpa hain't coming through that door, right, No,
young man's game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
You got this?

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Yeah, all right, thank you very much. Let's go to
number seven. Luke John Jones may be universally considered MMA's goat,
and he may own a victory over the recognized greatest
UFC heavyweight and Stepe Miocic, even though Stepe was forty
two and oldest shit, But Jones was also the eighteenth
undisputed heavyweight champion in UFC history until that became disputed

(01:31:49):
when Aspinall won the interim title at the end of
twenty twenty three when Jones was injured. So the over
under is twelve and a half of the other seventeen
UFC heavyweight CHAMPI and if you took them in their
heavyweight prime versus the heavyweight prime of Jones, which we
have to say is the twenty twenty three version that

(01:32:10):
beat gone over under on the former UFC heavyweight champs
that you think Jones would beat if we did mythical
matchups here, because it is an older John and we
only saw a little bit against Cyril gon and and
some something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
I take the under. Wow, yeah, I take the under.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
I mean we're talking like, does he beat Rico Rodriguez? Probably? Yeah,
probably Rico was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Rico was fucking good. He probably does beat him. But
Rico's not some bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
No, I'm saying there are certain guys from a different
eras where yeah you know, yeah, yeah, but his ground
game is going to mop up a lot of these guys,
is it not Luke, I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Mean the Maurice Smiths of the world, definitely, But like Cain.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yeah, that's yes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I'm not saying you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Mexico City ver Doom, I don't know if he's messing
with that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Mivisia Verdune was fucking good. Prime Steepe was real good.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
We did have some even though this division heavyweight, especially
in the UFC, has been the least consistent, the most
all or nothing like, not a lot of longevity or depth,
but the high moments. Okay, what about Prime Randy?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
He beats Randy, He beats Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Okay, yeah, Okay, Prime Brock, he beats two.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
And you know it probably although that's a different one
because Brock's a fucking animal.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
You know, well, Frank murrhm might give him a little
bit of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
He might put that. Frank Murrm I give him real
trouble again, Prime Frank Miryeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Okay, you're gonna take the under. Let's go to number eight, Luke.
After Netflix reported that seventy four million viewers watched the
second Katie Taylor Amanda Serrano fight, which happened to come
on the Jake Paul Mike Tyson undercard. That's the most
watched fight in women's sports history. It's set the stage
now for their trilogy, which will headline a July eleventh

(01:33:58):
Netflix card from MSG in New York. Jake Paul's MVP
promotion formally announced the entire five bout card on Thursday,
which features, by the way, five of the top ten
women's pound for pound fighters on the same night. I
thought that was a pretty good factoid. But you're over
under is twenty million if this fight did seventy four
million last time, but with Jake and Mike as the

(01:34:19):
lead in You're over under on total Taylor Toronto three
viewers that Netflix will report without Mike Tyson on this
card as we do head into for boxing fans. Hell yeah,
a must see trilogy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Gonna take the under twenty million is give or take
what an NFL game will do. No, it won't do that.
I'll take the under Damn Tyson.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Paul like, say what you will, and we did, we will,
we will continue. But that thing was a magnet, I mean,
a free dude.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
I'll never forget the night of that fight. I went
to dinner early at one of my neighborhood eateries, and
not one, but two table around me, both with children,
were both talking about it, and I was like, Yo,
this fight is gonna be fucking huge, And then it
was absolute dog shit.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
We go to number nine on over under ESPN. NFL
reporter and friend of the program, Mark ray Mundy has
a book coming out on June twenty fourth, on the
history of pro wrestling's greatest faction, of course, the nWo,
that he's hoping will become a New York Times bestseller.
Watch this tough Guy video ed put out there. I
like it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
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has ever made the New York Times Bestseller List or
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(01:36:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Or look that's like the toughest he's ever looked, or
the most cringees. It's dependent upon your taste.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
But yeah, I love Mark Ramundi. I'll never read that book.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Well, okay, that's a great segue. By the way, shout
out to Rick Mark Raymunday. I've started reading it. I'm
looking forward to interviewing him on the BCX to talk
about it, Luke, because I get down like that. Obviously
you don't. So you're over under his three five hundred dollars,
the total cash amount that Ramondi would need to pay
you so that you would read it and then review

(01:36:56):
the book on your YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Chane, Yeah, that's not going to be nearly enough. Oh no,
you gotta get much higher than that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
Like this is between friends. This is him dming you
and saying, dude, like, I just would love I think
your your your fan base would love this book. I
just love you know, And you're like, all right, bro,
but it's gonna have to be it's like this Katari
you know plane right, Like you know we're gonna have
to rub each other a little bit on this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
So the equivalent of being like, how much would it
take for you to, like, you know, watch gay porn,
I'm like, well, it's you know, I'm not an.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Interest in money.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Wow. We just went from having a nice commercial to
support our friend to uh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
But I hope people will. I hope I hope that
the people who do care about this kind of thing
by and watch this book and support Marker money because
he's a great.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Thirty five hundred with like an honest plea from him
that's like, friend.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
I want this to be a I have My time
is my time is precious.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Your time is money, but not that much money. Wow.
All right, you learned a lot about Luke and that
answer your final one, though, Luke, this is the most important.
This is the hardest hitting question of all After twenty
three years. Four thousand, eight hundred and thirty one EPISODEES
today May twenty third, twenty twenty five, is the final
episode of the long running Around the Horn Show on ESPN,

(01:38:07):
which is still filmed in Washington, d C. By comparison, Luke,
Morning Combat is closing in on its sixth birthday this July.
I have no idea how many episodes we've done, but
we've done far fewer than the than the four thy,
eight hundred and thirty one that Around the Horn did.
So you're over under is two and a half years,
the amount of time as we enter our sixth birthday

(01:38:31):
that you believe MK realistically has left before cancelation or
there's no more money, or we've lost our you know whatever,
that sort of end point. Rock Bottom is over under.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
I gotta close the door over I mean, are you
really asking me this question on the air.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
I think the air is the best place for this question, Luke,
You know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
We, I mean, you probably got to take the under right.
Like media, we.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Listen, but we don't judge. Yeah, yeah, all right, let me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Just ask you. Of course, we can survive much longer
than this. But what I'm saying is like who I Okay,
So I had somebody write me yesterday, a kid in college,
and he was like, I want to merge my passion
for MMA and journalism. What's your advice? And I'm like, yeah,
don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
You're like, become a porne cameraman.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Please become a pornographer or a rug coin mean coin
fucking puller. Like, the worst fucking thing you could imagine
doing is getting into the MMA media business in twenty twenty.
I mean, it's the worst idea you could possibly have. Yeah,
don't do that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
All right, there you go. Don't follow your dreams either,
Luke Thomas, that's over under for you. Look, will it
see another day or what?

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Over under? Yeah? Yeah, but this one went a little long.
You got or we got to tighten up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
All right, we'll tighten it up. Hey, we have one
more segment for you, and we put some steaks on
the line, maybe on the grill too. This one is
gonna be called MK Jeopardy.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Once again, no animation.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
There's no animation animation, So how this is gonna work?
Luke and I will compete head to head for one
hundred two hundred three hundred, four hundred and five hundred
dollars questions typical Jeopardy across their five categories MMA, Boxing,
MK Show, History, Shelters, and random. We don't know the

(01:40:29):
questions obviously, we won't lose money for getting them wrong,
except for two daily doubles where you get to pick
how much you want to bet and you will lose
it on the daily doubles, so that's sort of your
wild card. But Luke and I will go back and
forth for control of the board. You can steal it
if the other person doesn't get it, and the payoff

(01:40:52):
is Wednesday, June fourth, when we do UFC three sixteen
pregame preview with Aaron bronstat Alive with Cuervo on the
Morning Combat YouTube channel of an AM Eastern. The other
person has to wear the T shirt of choice. This
is this is gonna be amazing. Okay, here we go,
Luke Thomas, do you want to start it off? Because
we never know is Luke gonna play ball? Is he

(01:41:12):
gonna submarine?

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
This?

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Like what you want to go first? Luke?

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
We never know is Luke gonna play ball or is
he gonna submarine this? I mean, what kind of a
statement is that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
It insulting one Luke meant sort of meant to sort
of rile you up and get you on your game.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
I'll take MMA four hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
Do you guys want me to read these?

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
You want to read it?

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
All right? MMA for four hundred. What was the first
pay per view event that the UFC debuted their new
gloves in twenty twenty four?

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Now, let me ask a question. Are we allowed any
kind of hints? Er is just like raw dog like
this roll dog baby?

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Oh yes, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
I'm gonna say UFC three hundred, but I don't think
that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
It was UFC three h two.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
You gotta give him a chance to steal, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
I was gonna say UFC three oh five, so I
would have got it wrong, but thank you for cheating.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Now, in the event that we both get it wrong,
does it go back to b C?

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Anyway, it would go back to you, But because I
fucked that up, we'll give it to BC.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Okay, fine, all right, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
I'm gonna go with Random for one hundred. Here, let's go.
Let's get on the board.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
Random for one hundred, Cannibal Corpse and my Morning Jacket
each have had eight studio albums that made the US
Top two hundred. But who has had more make the
top one hundred? This is just an either or question.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
We're going fifty to fifty on this. That's gonna kill
the steal I mean, who wrote these let's go I'm
gonna go with I think it's a set of questions.
So I'm gonna go Cannibal Corpse because they do sell
well to a certain dark audience. Yeah, there we go.
Put one hundred on the board.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
They have had five in the top one hundred. My
Morning Jacket has had I just will say.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
It's a little bit bullshit that he gets a multiple
choice answer and that I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
But I believe that's the only multiple choice answer on it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
So all right, so here's my control of the board.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Here, here we are control.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Let's go to MK Show history for one hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
MK Show History one hundred. Since being at the Meadow
Larks Studio, we have had four in studio guests, name
all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Since being at the Metal Larks Studio, our four guests
have been Craig Jones, Jed Meshu, Chuck Mindenhall.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Are you doing a timer on this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Yeah, I think you got to count me down? There
you go, three two one?

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Yeah, Luke, do you want to steal the fourth?

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Guests? All right, Craig Jones, Chuck, Minden Hall, Jed Mshu
and Dog. I don't fucking know. I know who the
hell is it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
It's your boy, Danny Sigurhak.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Oh fuck, honey, how did I not say that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Yes? You're so right, God, we get it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Yeah, all right, Luke, you could take what watch?

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Also?

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
I wait, wait, wait real quick, because I'm doing ten
things at once, guys, so I apologize. I've totally forgot
to be in keeping score. But no one's got anything
right yet.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
I've gotten one. It's one hundred to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
BCA, he got the one. That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
You've got to keep score along island, Luke. All right, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Let's do random two hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
All right, random for two hundred? Which two city states
fought in the Pellow Polynesian War?

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Oh, Athens and Sparta?

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
That is correct?

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah, I mean that's easy.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
It's easy for you. We were open BC, we'd get it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Okay, Lotion, Oh god, that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
All right, let's do random three, random for three. Forget
the five boroughs of New York City. Can you name
the five counties of New York City?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
I think one is King's County correct, Queens County correct,
I'm out. I don't know off of that PC.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Would you like to steal so Kings, Queens, Suffolk.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
No, that's Long Island mother for then, and there we go.
I be it's New York which is Manhattan, Bronx which
is the Bronx, Queens which is Queens, Kings which is Brooklyn,
and Richmond, which is Staten Island.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
I was never going to get that island. I mean
it's Jersey. Saton Island's Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
That's true. I agree with that. Yeah, there we go
with that one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Look do you go again?

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Do I go here? I guess I'll go again. I guess.
Let's do random four.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
Random for four. Solve this math equation.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Thirty five.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
Wow, that was quick. Yes, that is correct? All right,
hold on, hold on, score wise, give me a sec.
All right, you got six hundred.

Speaker 8 (01:46:11):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
I was told there wouldn't be math. Come on, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
I think that's the only man. Let's do random five
random for five. What is the world record for most
hot dogs eating at Nathan's famous hot dog eating contest.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
I'm gonna guess seventy six.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
That is incorrect, BC.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Would you like to steal seventy four?

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
It is eighty three by Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
All right, in the interest of fairness, Brian can take
the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
All right, let's hit it boxing for five hundred. Let's
splash the pot.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Here, boxing for five hundred. Who defeated Manny Pacquiao in
his professional debut?

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Oh, man, I'm not gonna be able to pull that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
That is tough. I'm not what I don't think didn't.
I don't think he lost his pro debut. Actually, am
I wrong on theough?

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
They're not doing trick questions, are you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
I didn't come up with this question. I did in
fact check it, but so.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
I wouldn't be able to give you the name regardless,
but I thought he would. He lost twice in the
UH in the early in like the first ten or fifteen,
and I think one at least once by stoppage when
he was dehydrated. UH in his pro debut. Not man Okay,
now they're saying not Manny's pro debut. Okay. I used

(01:47:22):
to know the names. Can't pull him at the minute.
Lucas gonna have to steal.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Man, I can't. I got nothing for you, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
The guy's name was Rustico tour Campo.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Yes, I used to know that for sure, Rustico tour too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
All right, can I have it back? Then?

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
Go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Let's try Delta's for two.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
Delta's for two. Which country was the first to legalize
cannabis for recreational use?

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
Ooh, because a bunch of places decriminalized it. I'm gonna say, Uruguay.

Speaker 4 (01:48:00):
Damn, that's a good guess. You are correct.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
Damn. Look you're you're putting the crush on me right now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
All right, Let's do delta's three, Delta's for three hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
Ooh, that is a daily double.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
So yeah, this is where he's got to risk it too.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
You have eight points right now, so before seeing the
question how much do you want to risk?

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
But you lose it if you get it wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Luke, this is the only time that I'm gonna you
know what, I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it moderate.
I'm gonna go to two hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Two hundred, Okay, So for two hundred Delta's number three.
There are still five US states where marijuana is completely illegal.
Can you name three of them? This is both recreationally
and medicinally illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
So I'm gonna say Alabama that is incorrect.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Fuck all right, well then I don't know Florida is
one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Even medicinally.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
No, so Florida has medicinal So.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
What okay, are you giving up? BC? I mean, I
guess we'll get it wrong then, because you can't steal it,
you have the answer.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
So the five states are Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, North Carolina,
and South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
I think Texas just actually made it illegal as well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
I saw that literally today like today, yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Ye yes, all right, you're up.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
All right, Luke just lost two hundred. That puts me
back in. Let's go boxing one hundred boxing for one
hundred that is also a daily double wow. All right,
I gotta risk it all. Let's go one hundred here, right,
That's all I can do.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
Yeah, that's all you can do. We've had four boxing
guests on the show since moving to DraftKings. Name all
four guests.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Damn, this is a good question. Bam Rodriguez correct, Keyshawn
Davis correct, David Benavidez incorrect.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Oh eat ship bitch, take him. You're down to zero.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
You pumped down, can't steal, all right? So it was
Teyo Femo Lopez, Jesse Bam Rodriguez, Sean Porter, and Keishaan Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
So this is dude, I'm taking a big l there.
You know they knew I would lose the math ones.
But I'm not even getting like the boxing slash MK
history layup ones here.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Let's get let's get an easy point on the board.
Let's do delta's one.

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
Hundred, delta's for one hundred. What does th HC stand for?

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Tetra hydro can cannabinoid tetro tetra hydro cannab. I'm gonna
go with that, that cannabinoid tetro hydro tetrahydro.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
If he's close, you got to give it to him,
because all right, it's tetra hydro cannabinol. Yeah, that's good
enough for me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
You can all right. If BC says it's good enough,
I'm not gonna fight it. All right, Let's do MMA
three MMA for three hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Of the fourteen UFC pay per views in twenty twenty four,
how many of them were headlined by someone named Alex Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Then we're just talking pay per views, correct, so at
least three of them? Um, but that probably can't be
the answer. Who are the other Alexes beyond him that
were headlining pay per views on this guy? Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
Ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
I'll say four.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
I need to steal five, two Volkanovski, three poets.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
Oh fuck, that is also incorrect. What the answer is?

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Six?

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Three poets on two Pantosia, one Vulcan.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
Oh an Alice Hall all right, you're up, all right,
let's go MMA for.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
One hundred, MMA for one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
This is specific to you BC, so a little bit
shitty to be like els Chandre is the same as Alex.

Speaker 4 (01:52:14):
I mean, dude, it starts with the three Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
Who is Ian Gary's UFC debut against?

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
It's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
I should know it, especially, and I will say if
Luke has to steal, we're changing the question. These are
specific to each other, so.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Well, no, if he can steal it, can steal it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Take it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
This wasn't either or depending on who landed on it.
I had a BC version and an LT version.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
So it's a great question. I don't even know the answer.
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
These questions are fucking hard, man, I know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
It's it's it's doable. It should be there, it's not
in the moment. I've got to pass, all right, So
should I give Luke?

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
Should I give Luke his specific or should I specific one?

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
Who is Ilia tapoor yous ufc debut against.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Uh yusef zi lull?

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
All right? Shouldn't have given him the specific?

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Ian?

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
Gary's was Jordan Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
I wouldn't have got that one, all right. Let's do
mm A two.

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
All right, hold on, let me add your points quick,
eight hundred, MMA for two hundred. How many combined title
defenses does the Sarah Longo team have?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Dude? These fucking questions are fucking hard.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
They are hard, Yeah, they are okay.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
So Wyman's got three, al Joe had three, So that's six.
Morobs had what m at least two? So there's who
am I not thinking of here? Sarah didn't have any?

(01:53:52):
I'll say eight? Am I missing?

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
That is incorrect?

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
Seven had one?

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
That is correct.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Yeah, let's go. Let's get on the board. Let's go
MMA for five hundred?

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Please fuck me? Hold on, I just deleted this my accident.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
We're gonna need that long island, Luke, Come.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
On, I got it, I got it, I got it back?

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Wrong way there? Hold on, guys, bear with me. Which
one did you want? PC?

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
I want.

Speaker 4 (01:54:22):
MMA for five hundred? How many future or former champions
fought on the UFC two to oh five card? I
got a couple hints for you here. There were eleven
fights on the card, so twenty two total fighters, and
three of those were title fights, so at least three
were on the card. How many total future former champions?

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Okay, these are these are future or former champions? Here
we go, Connor Eddie, Yo Wanna, Tyron Woodley, Misha Tate,
Rocky Pennington, Balala Muhammad. That's seven. Chris Widman eight, Yoel

(01:55:17):
Romero nine nine, No, no, no, take Romero back eight
Romeroo never a full champion? Eight Widman eight eight is
my answer?

Speaker 4 (01:55:27):
That is incorrect and I steal.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Yes. The answer is nine. Because you forgot about Rose.
Rose was not on that car? Is the answer? Nine
is the answer?

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Nine?

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
The answer is eleven?

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
How about this? You missed, Liz Carmush, you missed could
be even Maraga Mettov, Oh my god, how do we
forget about and you missed Frankie Igar.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
I forgot even believe I couldn't pull up Who's on
that car to saved my life?

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
So just to name them all in order of lois
to highest, it was Liz carmushal Mohammed could be evenalking
about Frankie Iger, Misha Tate, Rocky Pennington, Chris Wideman, Joanna Young,
j Check, Tyron Woodley, Eddie Alvarez, Connor McGregor.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
That would have been worth a five hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
Let's burn, let's burn through this. Let's try deltas for four,
Delta's for four?

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
Who said this quote? That is not a drug, it's
a leaf.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Bob Marley.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
Incorrect.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
I have no fucking idea, bc uh Marshawn Lynch.

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
It is actually uh Luke's idol. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Oh really Oh? From the Pumping Iron documentary, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:56:46):
Let's go boxing for four hundred, Boxing for four hundred?
Name all five?

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Gary Russell Brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Okay, Gary Russell Jr. Gary Antonio Russell, Gary Antoine Russell.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
This is this is shameful, Garry Alan Russell.

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
That's four yeah, one more?

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
Damn it's is a bootleg. Brother isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
Damn wah, I don't think he boxes. That's probably what?

Speaker 11 (01:57:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Uh, Gary Anthony.

Speaker 4 (01:57:33):
Russell incorrect, Luke, I have no fucking idea it is Isaiah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
Oh, that's a hard but great question about four.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
Out of five? You did good?

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
All right, let's do boxing for uh two?

Speaker 4 (01:57:48):
Boxing for two? Which boxer ended? Julio sesershavez is eighty
seven fight unbeaten streak in nineteen ninety four De la Joya.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Frankie Randall, that is correct.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
Wow, good job, you see, good job, thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
Boxing for three?

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
Hello. At these points, boxing for three of the top
five highest grossing boxing pay per views of all time,
only one fight didn't involve Floyd Mayweather. Who fought in
that fight?

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
Of the top five, it's a great question, only one
did not involve Floyd Mayweather.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
So you have to get both names correct.

Speaker 11 (01:58:52):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
Let give you a calm down.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones incorrect?

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Can I steal yes, Mike Tyson and Holyfield? Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
I want you to specify which one.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
But no, you just said name who's in the motherfucker right?

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
You're right?

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Right, that's incorrect. Mike Tyson and Lan s Lewis did
like one point nine million. That's the highest Tyson fight
until and then he did one point five with Roy Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
He said, correct, I'm not fighting him.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
Magazine just put out like a top five thing. This
is what I mean. Are you saying they're not a
credible source? Is that what you guys are?

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Well, they could be using international pay per views where
from that era we use North America paper, right, all right,
give me the point.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
I'm sorry, he can get it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
That's fine, that's fine, he can get it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
Go ahead, right, all right, Let's do this show history too.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
I'm terrible at this show history. For two hundred we
filmed eleven RSDs in the Bomb Shelter? Can you name
eight of the guests?

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
What the fuck kind of question is this? All right,
let's see Lauras Anko, Sean Brady Glover to share. Uh, uh,
Anthony Smith, Aaron Blanchefield, uh a j McKee in the

(02:00:17):
bomb shelter, in the bomb shelter. Fuck me, dude, these
are hard ask questions. These are not easy. Give me

(02:00:42):
a second hold on this. Because you got eight names
is a lot many?

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
Does he have six. I'll give you ten seconds. The
name two more?

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
All right?

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
Uh five?

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
I don't know. I'm I'm out at my end, all.

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
Right, BC?

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
Can you fuck and Chuck Minton Hall correct oh bullshit?

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
One? Yeah, yeah we did, all right?

Speaker 4 (02:01:18):
SERI is showing Brady Dimitrius Johnson, A J. McKee, Chuckmandon Hall,
Cory Anderson, Loris Anko, Anthony Smith, Aaron Blanchfield, Ray Longo,
Matt Fravola.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Oh my god, Yes, let's go. Delta's five hundred. I
got one chance at this.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
Let's go. Hold on?

Speaker 4 (02:01:33):
How many points is that worth? Two hundred two?

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
Sorry, guys, Delta is for how much? BC? Five hundred
five to one? We once allegedly played a fan ripping
a bong out an Islanders game on Have you seen
this ship? What brand bong was it?

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
It's a worthy five hundred, it's it's it's an obscure
but not impossible. I'm gonna have to I don't know it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:04):
I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
Would you say brand? You mean like company, the name
brand of the bong?

Speaker 4 (02:02:09):
Yes, not like what model number?

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
Yeah, I'm gonna say the Tyson brand. No, it was
an ill adelf I mean I would have never gotten that.
All right, my goo yep, Yes, all right, let's round
it out. Show three Show History for three?

Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
Who is the fighter featured in our most viewed short
of all Time? I don't understand that, like we have.
Our most viewed short of all time is a clip
with a fighter in it. It's a focus around that fighter.

(02:02:51):
Who is that fighter?

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Evans?

Speaker 4 (02:02:54):
That is incorrect?

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
Basic flood Mayweather.

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
It is also incorrect. It is the Hank Davis interview
that Luke did where he's talking about Chakhur. It did
three point nine million views.

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
Jesus, did it really? All right?

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
I'm down by five hundred. There's two questions left, one
for four hundred and one for five hundred in MK
Show history. Let's go with four hundred.

Speaker 4 (02:03:15):
All right, MK Show History for four hundred. This is
a hard one. How many items is Luke Seene putting
into his mouth in the MK intro the revamped MK intro.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
Three?

Speaker 4 (02:03:32):
Close? But incorrect?

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Can I steal? Yes? Four? Correct?

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
I shouldn't have said close. That's my fault.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
Yeah, Now give me the points, bitch.

Speaker 4 (02:03:44):
It was you put a vape in your mouth? A
granola granola, I guess pepto bismoal and you're doing a
shoey drinking beers.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Oh okay, yeah, all right, last one. Let's just do
it for five. Let's go, I win, but let's do
it for five.

Speaker 4 (02:03:58):
All right? Show history four or five? How many I'm
gonna give you leeway here. How many total numbered podcast
episodes did we have. It's in past tense because we
stopped numbering them once all the smoke started, So pre
all the smoke, and you're allowed to get within twenty
of the actual number.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say five hundred and fifty.

Speaker 4 (02:04:27):
You fucking nailed it. We had five hundred and forty.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
Damn mother.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Look at me, BC wow, wow, look at me, Look
at me, Look at me, Look at me, bitch.

Speaker 4 (02:04:40):
Let can we get a preview of what you're thinking
for the shirt?

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
Oh yeah, like I eat ejaculate or something absolutely unbearable
that he'll have to wear.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
Yeah yeah, Oh gosh, I really got taken to school there.
So I gotta pay the piper. Wednesday, July fourth, eleven
am Eastern on the Morning Combat YouTube channel. It is
pregame Preview brought to you by Cuervo, and I'll wear
the shirt in question. All Right, before we go, we
did want to shout out a fantastic interview that took

(02:05:12):
place on our brotherhood podcast, The Art of Ward under
All the Smoke Fight featuring Andre Ward with the legend himself,
Bernard Hopkins. And you know it's gonna be lengthy. They
go two hours. I listen to all. It's so good
about the wide range of topics, going from Hopkins being
a state prison champ to becoming a world champion. It's

(02:05:32):
famous fight with Tito Trinidad and the riot he started
in Puerto Rico, the body shot to the liver. You'll
understand that joke when you watch it against Oscar de
la Hoya. Check out be hop breakdown his historic stoppage
of the Golden Boy. And to watch the episode, you
can head over now to the All the Smoke Fight
YouTube channel. Let's watch a snippet of it right now.

Speaker 12 (02:05:55):
You stop Oscar with a sneaky left hook to the
body of the nine. What do you have to say
to people that said I was fixed just he wasn't heard,
That wasn't that wasn't a strong shot.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
What do you have to send people said that?

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
What would I say?

Speaker 6 (02:06:09):
To people to say that that wasn't a strong enough
shot for Oscar not to get up.

Speaker 2 (02:06:16):
I would say, have you ever been hitting the lever?
Probably not.

Speaker 6 (02:06:21):
Until you get hitting the liver, you will understand that
the liver is not supposed to be hit on. I
heard the gas and I knew he wasn't getting up.
The timing of it was more than a punch. As
an athlete, you and I know, and anyone else out

(02:06:42):
they will understand. Even if you're not an athlete, you
get the wind knocked out of.

Speaker 4 (02:06:47):
You, it's a problem.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
How do you shake a lever shot?

Speaker 4 (02:06:53):
How do you stop.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
Air being forced out of you? That out on all
the smoke fight shout out to be Hop Luke. Would
you rather take a shot from be Hop to the
liver or meet him in the men's room?

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
Yeah, I'll skip the men's room.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
Okay, all right, we'll take that. Look you know the
significance of that Dale La Joya Hopkins fight. I believe
that was two thousand and four if I'm correct, it
was the first recognized four belt undisputed championship fight of
this modern era. Very cool with Hopkins winning by knockout.

(02:07:32):
There there you go. Check that out. Follow the show
at these social approved channels right there. You can follow
us on our YouTube journeys as well. Check out my
interview with Eddie Hearn this week. Luke, you have any
thing to promote there on Luke Thomas Live on Substack.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
You gonna take a break this weekend. Got some cool
stuff for substack on Tuesday. Obviously, have a great weekend
and Monday and everything like that. But yeah Tuesday, stay.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
Tuned Long Island. Luke. Will you be you know, being
a great boyfriend this weekend with not much fights going on?

Speaker 4 (02:08:03):
Yes, I will be being a great boyfriend. No content. Also,
Happy Memorial Day to everyone. No show Monday. We're going
live Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
Tuesday Live eleven am Eastern at Morning Combat on YouTube.
Thank you so much, guys. Reach the show at Morningcombat
at gmail dot com. Let's get those Fridays awesome again.
Did you like today's fanfare funfair? Well, let us know
we had some fun. We rolled out the balls, Luke Thomas.
Anything else that the people need to hear from you,

(02:08:31):
like encouragement, don't follow your dreams?

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
Yeah, get in shape, let's yeah, Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Let's let's go home. I've got another job all right
for lt it's BC and the L I L. We're
out of here. Thanks folks. All the Smoke Fight is
headed to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (02:08:46):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (02:08:47):
This year's International Boxing Hall of Fame Induction weekend in
boxing's hometown Canna Stow to New York. It takes place
for Thursday, June fifth through Sunday June eighth, ending with
an annual ceremony and mortalizing sing all time greats.

Speaker 3 (02:09:01):
The International Boxing Hall of Fame are hosting fan events
and experiences all weekend long. On Friday night, June sixth,
Sleted Promotion will present a terrific fight car in association
with All the Smoke Fight Live on the Zone from
the Turningstone Resort Casino and Ramona, New York, featuring USBA
Heavyweight Champion Brandon Moore defending his title against undefeated prospect

(02:09:23):
Stanley Wright in the main event, plus a stacked undercard
featuring world champion Franchion Foods Dessern and rising prospects JJ
Pagan and Devel Smith.

Speaker 11 (02:09:32):
Sounds to me we're gonna have a great fight night,
and of course Sunday the ceremony to Inductor Class of
twenty twenty five legends like many pac Man pak Yao Michael,
second to none in Pasmanian Devil Vinnie Paz.

Speaker 3 (02:09:45):
Joined All the Smoke, Fight and Salted Promotion at Turning
Stone Resort Casino for this year's International Boxing Hall of
Fame Induction weekend.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
Hey listen.

Speaker 11 (02:09:53):
Visit Turningstone dot com for accommodations and tickets to Friday's
fight night. Visit IBHOF for the full Induction weekend schedule.

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