Morning Kombat Mailbag | Fan Questions | Garry vs. Prates, Sandhagen vs. Figueiredo Preview

Luke Thomas is joined by Long Island Luke in a special mailbag episode to answer your questions!

The duo also give a quick lookahead at the upcoming UFC schedule including Garry vs. Prates as well as Sandhagen vs. Figueiredo.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Revee reveale.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at this now, Jesus will.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's time to oh, Happy Friday to you diggity donks.
It's time for a special edition of m k L Squared.
Luke Squared. How you doing, folks. It's the eighteenth of
April twenty twenty five here on a Friday edition. My
name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of your

(00:53):
hosting duo today, joined by my namesake from Bong Island,
New York. It's Long Island, Luke. What's up, my friend?
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm sorry, I'm not BC.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I know everyone's probably disappointed, but you know we're gonna
have a good show here.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Luke Squared taken over. Let's go Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh yes, indeed. Now, there is no UFC event this weekend.
They're taking a bit of a break after UFC three fourteen.
Of course, there was a lot of meat on that
bone to chew on. But we'll discuss two of the
upcoming where there are Fight Night Man events on the road,
no less, both of them, so which that's kind of fun.
So we'll talk about the UFC Island main event. We'll
talk about the UFC Kansas City main event, we'll compare them.

(01:30):
But today before we do all of that, it is
a mail bag episode, Yes, m ail bag episode of
the show. Here we're gonna we solicited all your questions.
You send it to us at Morning Combat at gmail
dot com, and here we are ready to talk about it.
Of course, if you want to send us any further correspondence,
that's the place to do it. You can see it
on the screen. A couple of housekeeping notes first and

(01:51):
foremost thumbs up. If you're watching on the video now,
that'd be so kind if you would do so, as
well as please subscribe that would also be awesome. And
of course you can see the socials there below. Oh yeah, yeah,
I see you subbed out BC's.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I mean I didn't, Mikey did it for me.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I mean we got to you see too, So you know,
throw that up there if everyone goes subscribe Brian Campbell experience.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
BC's having a wonderful time on vacation. He has told
me exactly that they're in the middle of earthquakes, you know,
on the West Coast and all that kind of fun stuff.
But he's having an awesome time and I'm sure he'll
have some he's back on Monday, right he should be.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, you guys are both in studio Monday. I was
just laughing with our producer Matt Snyder. I was like,
BC sends this beautiful video to us. He's like, I'm
loving San Diego. This is great. And then two minutes
later we get alerts that there's been a six point
whatever earthquake there.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
So they're doing well, They're okay. So shouts to the
Campbell family.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I guess the people from San Diego were another day
to them. They didn't seem quite bothered by it. But
us East Coast people, we get quite literally rattled when
the earthquakes start hitting.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, apparently average Joe didn't even flint. Shout out average Joe.
He's like, we experienced this all the time.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Any other things you want to say to the docks.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
No, I mean, I'll be doing this is gonna air
on Friday. I'll be doing a full card PFL.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Watch along on Friday.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yes, Wow, I know, shocking, Luke, It's Friday, you know,
leaving the Saturday open for the girl for you got
to be the best boyfriend six days out of the week.
You know, it's Friday this week, But yeah, so join
me for that guy's main card.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Minute, me and Gaff?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
What time does that main card start?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Shit?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
If I knew, I think it's early. I think it's
actually pretty early this time.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I think the prelim start at five, I want to say,
and they usually just like run it into one full
card kind of thing, so maybe a seven o'clock me.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think it's seven, but I have I have some
people that I know who work there, and uh, I
think they told me this week was a seven pm
start East Coast time.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yes, that's compared to the eleven pm last time, dude,
that was That was a terrible card too. This card
is actually good. At least it has names on like
each fight. You know, you know at least one guy
in each fight. But it's a decent card, especially.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Anything you want to shout out in particular before we
get this started.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Fuck top of my head, I know like Josh Silvera
is on it. I know, uh, Brent on it. Okay,
Impa versus Fabian Edwards is the main event.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Oh that's a great one.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Okay, uh shit, there's definitely other names. I'm just blanking
on them right now. But good card, all right.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
There you have it if you're a if you're an
absolute degenerate, that's where you know to go. All right,
So here what we're gonna do. We're gonna do a
bit of a mailbag today. We as I mentioned, we
solicited you guys for questions. You fill them up, and
the producers picked some of them, and so here we go.
Let's just have a good time. Are you ready, Bong Island.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Let's do it all right, here we go. First question
comes to us from William and he writes, quote, with
an oversaturation of UFC events and a lack of depth
in the upperweight classes, combined with boxing consistently delivering the
matchups fans want to see, I find myself more interested
and invested in boxing than MMA right now. Is this

(04:54):
a trend you're noticing among your current audience, Loong Island, Luke,
I have to tell you here's my basic view on this.
I'd be curious to get your perspective. My basic view
is that if you've got a big star in boxing
or a hotly anticipated matchup, that absolutely has significant crossover audience.

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So for example, Mayweather pack you out. No, that's like
the most ultimate example of it. But even smaller ones
like big time Canelo fights or you know, something where
you could understand Francis Senganu fighting Tyson Fury. Anything where
there's an MMA hook and or a big name fighter
and a really important bout that's got crossover MMA fans

(05:37):
will watch. But like, how many MMA fans watch the
Boots Staniosi's fight over the weekend? Fine fight, I'm not
it's a actually great result, but I just don't think
there's that much audience overlap. Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
No?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
But also in fairness to that Boots fight, it was
airing during UFC three fourteen, so I don't think anyone
was really gonna stop watching a paper to tune into that.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
But I totally agree, dude.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Even my friends who are like casual combat sports fans,
they're like casually watching UFC, they're not casually watching boxing.
They barely even know who I'm like, oh you see
Tyson Furies. Fuck, They're like, who's that?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know?

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like kind of wild, But.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I don't think, yeah, no, it's definitely more MMA focus
for sure.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I always, I mean, you guys have heard me say
this on the show. I always feel like, uh, you know, BKFC,
not that BKFC could like run headlong into UFC and
take an audience. But against PFL, you know what I mean,
against one championship, they are at different times. But you know,
I could see that because that audience has so much

(06:42):
of the MM audience built in. But like the the
then diagram of people who are hardcore into MMA and
hardcore into boxing, they exist, but it's not it's not big.
It's just not big.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, it's pretty much you and BC and you know
a couple.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, that's right, dude. By the way, did you watch
the Staniosis Boots fight?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Did you know?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Because I was doing a full card watch along through
three twelve, so it was during that I did have
a bet on Boots by decision which I was not hit.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Oh yeah, he beat the fuck out of him. I
went back and I watched it. He smoked him like
it was not even close for a round.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I got to check it out. I honestly, I didn't
even see highlights or anything.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So corner was like, we had enough. Halfway through. I mean,
I don't blame I don't blame them. Boots looked awesome. Yeah,
we'll see what happens next, all right. Question number two
it says luken BC, but I'm just gonna say l
n LT how about that? Can you donks foresee a
future where the TKO boxing belt becomes the most prestigious,

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surpassing WBCWBA, et cetera. With early talks of developing new talent,
The strategy might be to focus less on signing established
boxers and focus on investing in younger fighters, knowing that
by the time the TKO belt gains real significance, many
of today's top fighters will be retired. That's, of course
what the plan is. Since quote the UFC belt is

(08:03):
not even real end quote, and value is subjective. Could
t Ko's belt eventually become the one, excuse me, the
only one that truly matters? Have you followed this story
at all? Along Island? Look about like how they're trying
to repeal portions of the ALI Act. If you followed this.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Other than seeing you tweet about it, not really, but
enlighten me.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
So I mean the basic ideas as follows, right, what
they're trying to do. The ALI Act does many things.
It doesn't just do one thing. It sets up a
bunch of stuff, and you know one of them is,
for example, you can't be a promoter and a manager
at the same time, right. Another one is contracts, you know,
are are onerous and whatnot. You have to keep them.
They can't be too too long. And there's other stuff too,

(08:46):
but you know that those are a couple of the
main provisions. And another one is of course that the
sanctioning bodies have to have a system for independent rankings.
And then of course that the promoter cannot control their
own titles. And the reason for doing this is obvious.
If if the if a boxer can retain ranking independent
of promoter whim, it gives him or her value beyond

(09:07):
what the promoter can control if they had their own title.
If they had their own title, they can control certain
forms of matchmaking. You know, if you leave, you don't
leave with the title, versus if you left top rank
as the WBC champion and you signed with PBC, you
retain that title. Nothing changes, right, And so it just
gives the promoter significantly more leverage and control. And of

(09:28):
course that's why they want to do it as well.
We know there's really no mystery about that. That's why
that's why they want to repeal.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
They don't want to repeal the whole Aliak they want
to repeal. It sounds like what they're saying is they
want to repeal just that portion. I'd be curious to
see what the language looks like ultimately. And I'm also
not one of these people who thinks that they're not
going to get it, by the way, I tend to
think that, like, I don't know, don't I don't know
if anyone's going to stop him. To be honest with you,
I mean, I don't. I don't know if they have

(09:55):
the votes in Congress, but I wouldn't count against it.
But to answer the question like could the TKO belt
ever have more value, well one, I mean, it's a
difficult question to answer because again, if with the other
belts you can leave your promoter and then hold on
to the title, nothing changes that is going to have
more value. But what he's asking Lonano Luke is all right,

(10:15):
what if we sign a bunch of young guys and
guys who haven't really popped yet. We left the current
crop of big stars kind of age out, and then
will have We'll keep signing this sort of other tier
that we're describing, and as they come of age now
when they hold the belts. Those belts will be the
most significant ones, and if you want to have the

(10:35):
TKO belt, you got to go fight in TKO to
go get it. What is your sense of how likely
that is?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
I mean in the boxing landscape, I don't feel when
you word it that way, I want to say, I
don't feel like it's that likely. When I initially heard
this question, I'm like, yeah, there's totally a world where
the TKO belt becomes the most valuable, because personally, boxing
is already oversaturated with belts. I don't know the difference
between the WBBA as far as like how prestigious they are.

(11:03):
They're all just a belt to me. I don't even
flinch when someone says, oh, I'm a champion in boxing.
It's like, dude, all right, everyone's a fucking champion at
this point. So I do think like if everyone were
to buy into the TKO belt and there was almost
like one belt, I love that world.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
But based on the way you're.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Wording it, I don't see boxers giving up their leverage
to go fight in TKO just for the TKO belt.
It's probably going to be more of how boxing has
been the last few years, where the big names aren't
fighting the big names because they're in different promotions like
pre Turkey era. You know, Uh yeah, I don't really
see it based on the way you're wording it.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
The other thing, too, is like, you know, whenever I
defend the sanctioning bodies, people think I'm defending the way
they do business, which is really not what I'm defending.
I'm defending their existence, right, I'm just defending the notion
that because dude, they're so nakedly awful, right, Canel, Dude,
did you see what they did to Bivoll? Did you

(12:03):
see this? Did you see this? Canelo had a man
a David Benavitez mandatory mandatory at WBC for two years
and they didn't enforce it, and Bivoll basically was going
to be stripped if he didn't take the Benavidez fight

(12:25):
right away. And it was like, how is that possible?
How could you let a guy slide for two years.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
And not it's Canelly?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
You know what I mean? Of course, of course we
know the answer. But the point is, like, the job
of the sanction like the job of the promoter, is
to be like I've said this before, you know, if
you're a promoter in this game MMA, R boxing or kickboxing,
whoever DoD Like what what? Who wants a boy scout
for a promoter? You know, if you're going to be
a promoter, you got to be a little bit scummy.
I just there's just no other way to do this, right,

(12:57):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Now? I just look at them all.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I mean, like, there's just no way to do that,
you know and be mother Teresa. It just doesn't work
that way. So I don't expect I mean, you expect
certain kind of conduct, but you know, it's around the margins.
This is going to be what is going to be.
But the sanctioning bodies are the ones that are charged
with actually upholding the integrity of the sport. They're the
ones that are supposed to like provide this kind of

(13:21):
architecture in a way to force certain kinds of matchups
that preserve the ranking structure and the integrity, and they
just regularly abdicate that responsibility. So they're hard to defend.
But at the same time, you know, again, dude, no,
here's let me just end on this. Somebody who's been
in this game for a while now, one lesson that
I've learned is absolutely nobody cares about the athletes. They

(13:45):
just don't care. They don't care. Media and we're guilty
of this to an extent, you know, commoditizes them. Certainly,
the promoters, you know, you know, they use them, thet
the athletic commissions, and the and the regulatory agencies, they
don't give a fuck. I mean, here you have TKO
working hand in hand with the Association of Boxing Commissions
to gut legislation designed to protect boxers. Nobody cares. So

(14:08):
unless the boxers protect themselves in this particular case, like
it's a fucking rap for them, and whether they will
or not, I really don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Boxing gonna box, boxing, gonna box? All right, question number
three here we go from Angelo day one. Donk here,
but this is my first question for y'all. Candidly, I'm
fairly new to the boxing here, writes BC is the
reason why my wife and I started watching regularly rather
than just huge mega events. However, being a longtime MMA fan,
in some ways, it's spoiling MMA for me. Every time

(14:41):
we watch them back to back. MMA striking does not
look nearly as sophisticated I have had this exact same problem. Okay,
let me finish. One of the main questions is why
don't we see a more educated JAB like we see
with high level boxers and MMA. I understand, excuse me,
I understand takedowns, but if you could touch on this,
I would absolutely love your commentary and education. Also, BC,

(15:03):
you really helped me to laugh no matter what and
no matter how rough the day the days are. Thank
you for everything. Okay, long I look. Have you ever
watched boxing and MMA back to back and then seen
the striking and MMA and been like, ooh, that's bad.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, but I feel like there's a clear answer for this, Like,
if you're training MMA every day, you can't focus all
your time on striking. Boxers have that luxury. They're boxers.
They can focus on striking all day. Obviously they're gonna
have a nicer looking jeb and shit Like if I
got to train takedowns, wrestling, jiu jitsu, all this shit
while I'm training to be an MMA fighter, yeah, I'm

(15:40):
not gonna be as well rounded and perfect in everything.
I'm trying to be good everywhere, not great at one thing.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
So this is this is why, this is why, Like
you know, a Jake Paul beating up on MMA fighters. Granted,
a bunch of them past their prime, I understand, but
you know, it wasn't really close in those cases. Kind
of makes sense because he you know, he's a decent
athlete and this is all he does, and you know
he's again some of these guys are past their prime.

(16:07):
But also like their pure boxing is not good. Also
something else to think about. You said striking, but it's
really it's really narrower than that because remember, you can't
hit with the back of the fist right, you can't
spin back, and there's no kicking, there's no kneeing. It's
literally just from the waist up forward facing and that's it.
Either Yeah, no elbows know nothing, and you can't collar

(16:29):
tie like you're quite you're quite constrained relative to these
other striking arts. So that's a big thing too. You know,
these are these are sports in the case of boxing
with a deep relative MMA anyway, deep amateur system. So
by the time these guys who have gone through the
amateurs are twenty five years old, do they've got a

(16:49):
ton of experience focusing on movement, footwork, positioning, balance, you know,
distance management, the whole nine yards. But but but long, Luke,
This is where I come back down on this whole thing.
This is why watching boxing and MMA are fundamentally two
different things. I mean, MMA borrowed, you know, oh ten
nine mus system. Oh we want to be regulated by

(17:11):
the commission, so all that shit's the same or whatever.
But if you're watching boxing, you're watching you know, finesse.
You're watching very specific kinds of finesse, and you can
get versions of that depending on what kind of fight
you get in MMA or what kind of fighters do
you get in MMA. But an MMA, which you're looking
to me, is more of a you know, everyone's gonna

(17:31):
have an imbalanced skill set, but you're looking for a
more like well like a more like a varied kind
of combat. If I want, if I want a more
varied kind of combat, I watch MMA. If I want,
you know, if I want real precision, I think that's
where you go for for boxing.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I was trying to think of, like, what's that, what's that?
What's another analogy for that? Like in the real world,
in other words, two things that are similar, one chaotic, wilder,
one similar to it but not chaotic and wild in
the same way much more, you know, a refined process. God,
I don't know. I feel like, let me see if
this works it out. I feel like MMA is like

(18:14):
one of those diners that has like an endless menu
and the dude, I mean, I've been to some diners,
so they didn't have much, but you know, like a
cheesecake factory where Okay, their food sucks, but you know
what I mean, like a ton of things on the
menu versus going to like a taco truck and they
got like three tacos and then that's it, you know
what I mean, Like, and those tacos are fire. They're fire,

(18:35):
but they don't they don't do like a wide menu,
you know what I mean. They focus on a few things,
they do them really well, and then that's it.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
That's a fair comparison. I like that.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
That's kind of how I see it, all right. From four, Richard,
do you think there will be more location based events
moving forward? Times Square boxing events, universal studios for PFL
Long Island? Look, what do you think about that one?

Speaker 3 (19:02):
So I'm kind of confused by this question.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Like the Universal Studios PFL thing is like a residency
similar to the apex, So, like is the question are
we going to get more residencies or is the question
are we just going to have more events on the road.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
So the Times Square one they can't sell tickets to.
It's invite only.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Oh so we're talking like smaller venue things.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, I think what he's trying to say is not
so much like is everyone going to copy the apex?
Although I think that would be part of it. But
are we going to get these like you know, there's
not many people in the crowd for one reason or another,
we're doing this kind of in this way for that reason,
We're just not going to go to arenas, We're not
going to go to stadiums. We're just going to have these,
you know, for what for one reason or another kind

(19:44):
of white glove treatment on how the sport is presented
or sports.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
In this case, I don't see this happening more.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
I think it makes sense for a company like PFL
because no offense to them, but they're not selling many tickets.
So you go to a smaller venue it looks packed.
It makes perfect sense. KFC, they do that a lot,
makes makes a ton of sense. Boxing in Times Square
is like a spectacle. It sounds cool and I'm into it,
but I don't know how many places are you really

(20:12):
You're gonna go to the Pantheon and do a fight there,
you know, Like what are where do we draw the line?
I just feel like, sure as a one off every
once in a while, but at the end of the day,
they got to sell tickets, dude, Yeah, they needs.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
The problem with the question because you're right, like the
time score thing is a one off and the PFL
thing is a residency. To me, the question is, you know,
well they do more one offs and interesting places. I hope,
I hope. You know. I don't need I don't need
them a bunch, right like you. I don't I don't
need it every day, but every once in a while
seems cool, you know, Like didn't they have what was that?
What was that basketball game they had on the aircraft carrier?

(20:43):
Do you remember that? The college basketball game?

Speaker 3 (20:45):
No, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
It was like it was like Michigan State and somebody
I forget who it was, and it was on the
surface of it. It was docked, obviously, it was a
docked naval aircraft carrier and they put up they put
a basketball court on top of it and they play
I mean it might have been like Michigan State versus
Navy or something. I forget who it was, but that
was like a cool thing. Now, all the stand all
the seats on, like the bleachers were on the deck.

(21:09):
You know, it was kind of cool. How do you
feel about the residency for PFL.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I think it's a smart decision, but I'm a little like,
I don't know if bummed is the right word.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
But I like when you go to different markets. I like,
especially someone.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Like PFL, go to a depleted market, like go somewhere
that's UFC starved, UFC hasn't been there in years, because
that's where you're gonna get your fans. They have their
best success in Europe because the UFC rarely goes to Europe.
So like, I don't know, I do kind of hate
the Universal Studios aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
But if it's working for them and they're making money,
I'm more power to them.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm finally my thought was this. My thought was this.
I didn't think they should have opened the season there.
I felt like they should, and again they didn't. They're
the first PFL event of the year. Correct me if
I'm wrong. Was the Usman number get made off and
Paul Hughes fight. Correct, Yeah, it was in January, right,
so so that was their first fight of the seaton

(22:06):
of the year. Okay, fine, but that was in cut guitar.
I guess I'm trying to point out this, and I'll
be curious to get your response, which is, would it
have not made a little bit more sense for them
to the extent possible to start, as you pointed out,
one of these like mid major markets like a Lincoln,
Nebraska or you know something even even where I was

(22:27):
Iowa City, for crying out loud, you know, if you're not,
like if you're at Universal Studios and you're already not
selling tickets, are you really that concerned with how much
money you're generating at the gate versus just kind of
filling it with fans? Right, having this big sound, I
felt like they should have opened with like a big
boom kind of event like here where we've arrived, new rules,

(22:49):
you know, new new look, new angle and everything, rather
than going like right to a studio to start off
the season. It just felt like a It was. It
looked good on TV, it looked like you executed well,
but it felt a little flat to me.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I agree. I agree hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Also, like I'm not too familiar with Universal Studios, but like,
isn't that like at Disney, So like, aren't.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
A majority of the people.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm not sure if they're.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
No, I think those are separate facilities, all right, I'm
so maybe my point is null and void. But like,
for example, Penn Station Madison Square Gardens right above it,
half of the ticket sales from Nick's Rangers games whatever
are from tourists just coming through, going, oh, I can
see a game up here whatever. I kind of feel
like Universal Studio, at least in my head, has that
vibe where it's like people on vacation and they're like, oh,

(23:35):
there's a fight, let's go check it out, rather than
actual fight fans who are like.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Universal Studios, you're going with your kids, Like.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
That's what I'm saying, Like you're and the dad who
had a couple of beers at dinner is like, I'm
gonna go check out these fights, babe, I'll meet you later,
you know. Like so I don't think it's like the
biggest die hard fans being like, oh my god, I
gotta see Jason Jackson at Universal Studios tonight, Like you know.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know what the move was, should have gone to
Tachi Palace.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
I mean, someone's gotta go their oad.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
By the way, producer's telling me it was Syracuse, San
Diego State that was on that aircraft carrier game, gotcha,
that's who was there?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
All right?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
We keep it moving, uh from William from William. With
the UFC investing heavily in grappling, like you know, grappling
sports events like CJI offering substantial prize money and nil
deals allowing college wrestlers to earn solid income, what impact
will this have on the depth of the UFC and
other MMA organization's rosters. Will fewer high level wrestlers and

(24:37):
grapplers transition to MMA, and how will this influence the
sport as a whole? Can I tell you very quickly?
I would love to get your perspective on this. I
am terrified of this, terrified. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I agree one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Look at like, who is arguably the biggest stars in
their discipline in the last you know, ten years, Jordan
Burrows and wrestling, Gordon Ryan and jiu jitsu.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
There's a reason those guys never win to MMA.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
They were like, I'm getting a shitload of money to
not get punched in the face and just stick to
my craft. Why would I do this? They're the outliers.
They're like the superstars. But if you're telling me, you
know some guy who is a D one wrestler, but
you know, maybe never won a college NCAA championship, whatever
the hell it's called. Like, these are the guys who
can now get tens of thousands of dollars to compete

(25:23):
in grappling or wrestling tournaments and not have to go
to the UFC. Like they're gonna do it, dude, And
I'm we should all be worried as fans. We're not
gonna get like elite grapplers or guys from other disciplines
coming over at this point if they're being paid handsomely
in their own thing.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
But at the same time, good for them, you.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Know, dude. I interviewed Dan Gable about this. I interviewed
Jeff Blatnick about this. These are two guys who obviously
were instrumental, like you know, in the one case in
the UFC world, but obviously both in the amateur wrestling world,
and this was I interviewed them at a time. I
think this was like twenty eleven, twenty twelve, when like
the peak of crossover wrestling was happening. You know, that's

(26:03):
what Widman was starting to break through. And you know,
Mark Munoz was already d one national champion was there,
and forget about everybody else in Brock and Kane and
you know, I could just go on down the list
and up the Cole Conrad and blah blah blah, just
so many guys and I remember them asking and they
you know, I think they were. In the case of Gable,
he didn't necessarily, I think, love the idea of wrestlers

(26:25):
going into m m A, but he definitely was very appreciative, like, hey,
this is a great chance for these guys to make
some real money. And obviously, you know, we were living
with the era of Matt Hughes as well. You know,
their success was immediate, like it was obvious, you know,
and Josh Costure and again, the list is endless. Some
of the names I could I could point out who
are like relevant during this time, but you know, you

(26:45):
could tell that, like at least I felt you could
tell as a strong way to put it. I felt
like if there was another option, they would have preferred it,
you know what I mean, like if there was a
way to stay in wrestling and there and by the
way US said, wrestling made a bunch of changes to
how they paid Olympic athletes, and you know, college programs

(27:06):
were like, you know, bumping up. This is a short.
It's not many guys who could be hired for a
college coaching program. But I'm told that like their numbers
went up and like they just they they they pivoted
in a way to like kind of pull some of
the wrestlers back, and now with sport jiu jitsu turning
into something that's real, it's like, dude, you know, look
at light heavyweight, bro, I make this point all the

(27:26):
fucking time, but look at light heavyweight. We had, we
had the top ten almost fully was former D one wrestlers,
and now there's just.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Donks up man. I mean he's not D one, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I mean, look year, he's a good athlete. He's amazing
to watch. I think, especially that he's cleaning up his defense.
It's like, really really great. Obviously Poton's Poton uncle's a
good fighter. I think could have competed in any era.
And listen, I don't want to crap on Reyes. He's
turned stuff around, but you know, I not much, just
like you know, those guys are fine, but like it's

(28:03):
it's slim pickens after that. And it did not used
to be that way at all. It did not used
to be that way.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Scary future we're in for if they don't broth.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
When I first got back into MMA, I mean I
watched it for a long time and then kind of
got out of it during college, then got back into
it right after. I mean I was watching a little
bit in college, but not much, but then I got
back into it a little bit after college. You know,
this was the era of Tito beating people up and
then Randy beating people up, and even folks forget about
this bung Island. Chuck Ledell was a wrestler in college too,

(28:35):
was it cal State? Polly, I forget the exact university
he went to. All those fucking guys wrestled, all of
them wrestled collegiately. So, you know, losing that pipeline kind
of being slowly turned off, I don't know, making me
a little nervous.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, I'm scared all right with that. In mos Cally,
by the way, was it cal Polly.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
All right, question number six from Brandon in terms of
the present combat sports communities respect which fighters achievements? Oh,
this is interesting. Okay, here we go. Which fighters achievements
are the most underappreciated or overblown in both MMA and boxing?
I'll tell you what, Long Island, Luke? This to me

(29:23):
sounds like, well it sounds it sounds like a great
opportunity to do shots fired by Cuervo. How about that
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(29:44):
to our friends at Cuervo. All Right, what do you think,
Bong Island, Luke, who's got it the most underappreciated or
overblown in MMA or boxing?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
What do you think? I feel like overblown? Gotta be
Triple C man.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
I know he's not the most fan friendly, so to
call him overblown sounds kind of wild.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
He an Olympic champion.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I'm not gonna knock the guy, but like, let's just
talk about his UFC championship run for a second. He
beats Demetrius in a fight that I thought Demetrius won.
But you know, okay, it's close and he did get
the w okay, not knocking that. Then he goes on
to fight tj Epo TJ who literally took one punch
and crumbled under like a terrible weight cut. You can't

(30:22):
really count that as like healthy tj Okay. Then he
goes and fights Marlon Moris for the vacant bandamweight title.
Marlon Morice has been knocked out in seven of his
last eight fights since.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Then, you know, hindsight, probably not a great win. Uh.
Then he fights Dom Cruise.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
And I'm not knocking Dom Cruise, probably the greatest bandon
weight of all time, but Tom Cruise was coming off
a four year layoff and like probably shouldn't have even
been ranked, and they gave him a title shot against
the Huto, so Hudo obviously beat the brakes off of him.
Then they rematch, Now that probably goes totally different. Then
you know, he comes back, you lose to al Joe Morab.
I mean, those are my guys, great losses right there,

(31:01):
but you're losing a song, you don now you know.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
It's just like Shudo totally overblown, totally.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
He flopped his entire career taking that time off and
just looking back on it maybe a fluky championship run.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't know. And when you when he was like
you know, probably like after that cruise fight, right, who
was he gonna fight? Maybe Pyotr Jan And we missed
all of that too, you know what I mean. Like,
so there's the argument like, oh, he sat out during
his prime, like and I agree with that, Like to
the point you raised, maybe maybe he beats young, you
know what I mean, like that version of him in

(31:35):
May of twenty twenty, whenever that was, or you know,
maybe he beats Young, Maybe he beats those guys. But
the fact that he didn't and then sat out during
that time, you just missed the most relevant possible window,
both for financial earning as well as legacy in the end.
But the fact that he was an Olympic gold medalist
out of high school, you know, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Mean, we're gonna look past that. We're talking about his
UFC I run, I.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Know, I know, I'm just saying he is an he
lead athlete. I mean, that is that is But to
your point you raised that that men's two thousand and
eight Olympic team from the previous question, askrin dc him
Andy Rovatt, there's a bunch of other guys who were
kind of like, you know, either either training MMA or
fighting MMA or training in MMA gyms anyway, and uh,

(32:19):
you know, I just don't know what's gonna hap. I mean,
the subsequent Olympic teams have not turned out to be
that relevant. And this sort of goes to show what
we're talking about here. But all right, that is uh,
that's our turnout. Shots fired one more time, brought to
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tequila that invented tequila. Let's keep it moving if we
can here Long Island. Look can go to question number seven.
This is from Double Move MMA. If these fights were

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to happen today, who would you pick? Okay, here we go,
and which fight would you be the most interested in seeing?
All right, so I'll you give me your answer first.
Oh my god, somebody's gonna okay.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
All right, these are rough. Okay, let's name all for
first and then we'll okay.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
So here's what this person is riding. The four fights
current Jose Aldo versus current Connor McGregor. But at one
fifty five, that's a weird one prime Ronda Rousi versus.
They just say, Juliana Panya, I'm assuming her prime too,
Mighty Mouse versus A La Chandre Pantosia's that's a good one.
And then Sean Brady versus Prime Matt Sarah. Yeah, all right,

(33:21):
Bong Island, you're up first.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
What do you think ranking? I mean, there's a clear
number one here.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
It's got to be Mighty Mouse versus Pantosia eight billion percent. Yeah,
Like I actually want to see that fight, and that
fight does seem somewhat attainable. I know DJ retired, but like,
out of all these, that's kind of on the table. Uh,
Prime Rondo versus Juliana is literally just prime Ronda versus anyone?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Like I don't.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
That's basically just like saying, do you want to see
Ronda Rousey fight again in her prime?

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Like? Sure? Do I want to see her win in
two minutes? Great? Yeah? Like all right.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Weirdly, I want to say number two to me is
current jose aldovers Connor. Not that I'm intrigued by that
fight really, but I mean their first fight lasted what
thirteen seconds? I mean it would be nice to see
what happens now at lightweight. You were saying that is
weird because Jose although fights at Phantom wait now, and
McGregor is probably walking around to you know, two ten.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
But I guess that's an even playing field.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
You make Connor cut all the way to fifty five
and Jose gets to bulk up.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I don't know, Uh, Sean Brady prime Matt Sarah.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
No disrespect to Matt Sarah, Long Island legend, but that
fight does nothing for me.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I gotta say also, I mean, you know, Matt Sarah
is an important figure in the history of MMA and
as well as American as well as the American jiu
jitsu scene, But dude, Sean Brady annihilates him, Like, how
is this even a conversation? And I know it's like, oh,
he beat Saint Pierre. I was there when he beat
Saint Pierre. Believe me, I remember it. But you know,

(34:53):
we're just talking about a Saint Pierre that took him lightly.
I think certainly avenged it in the rematch. And more
to the point, we're just talking about a guy in
Sean Brady who's got, you know, a more modern skill
set with more modern best practices. I think Sean Brady
makes quick work of him. To be perfectly honest, now
on the feet. I think folks forget Matsara had huge power,
so it could be kind of fun there. But my

(35:14):
answer is almost like yours. I'd go Mouse Pantosia, then
I'd go Rousey Paanya, then I'd go Aldo McGregor, and
then I'd go Brady Sarah. Yeah, there you go, all right.
Question number eight Happy Friday to El Squared? What is
your quote hear me out? Fight? What I mean by
that is what I fight. Do you love that? It

(35:34):
seems like no one else does and you have to
defend it. Mine is is e versus Silva. So many
people talk negatively about that fight, but I think it
was a dare I say, technical thriller. Ps. I was
diagnosed with leukemia back in December. I'm in remission now
and receiving consolidation chemo once a month. But I want
to thank you guys were providing some great entertainment during
the most challenging times of my life. You guys mean

(35:55):
a lot to a lot of people. Well, very glad
to hear that things are in a improved direction. Keep
it up. We support you. Long Islan Luke, what do
you think about this question? To hear me out fight.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
First of all, shout out to Colin hope you're doing well. Uh.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I think it's got to be this fight over my
shoulder right here, dude. Usman versus Covington. I I don't
think people really remember that fight. You you read it
on paper, you go tomorrow, Usman versus Colby Comington.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
That can't be that great. It was probably boring as shit.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
They didn't shoot zero takedowns that entire fight. It was
a back and forth stand up war. I was on
the edge of my seat the entire time. Kolbe gets
dropped and eventually finished in the fifth round. I mean, dude,
that was a banger, back and forth fight. I feel
like no one mentions that fight anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That's an interesting one. I don't know if I have
a hear me out fight in the sense of like
one that people like, didn't like or didn't fully appreciate
in that way. I have more like a bunch of
forgotten fights that people just don't know about anymore, you know, Yeah,
Like you know, Chris Wyman versus Mark Munoz is actually
one of my favorite Contender fights. I just fucking love

(36:59):
that fight. It was one way traffic, but I just
loved it. You know, Rampage versus Kevin Randleman is like
just an amazing, amazing contest. I don't know. I don't
have a good one for this one. I have more
just forgotten fights in this particular case, all right, from Hunter.
I'm a newer UFC fan. My first card I've watched

(37:22):
was McGregor versus Cowboy. Oh you are very new. Is
it weird that I actually like keeping up with the
storylines and the drama more than the actual fights. I
enjoy watching shows like mk Ariols and just YouTube videos
in general of the drama in the UFC world and
predictions of the fights more than like watching the actual fights.
Is this a common thing? Or am I on my
own hair? Long?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
On?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Look?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Isn't this what has happened to the modern NBA? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I mean I guess, yeah, that's not a bad cal
I agree with Hunter completely though, dude, Like not that
I'm not invested if there's not a rivalry, but like
rivalries and storylines, drama, all that shit make it so
much better. I always say, the most hyped I've ever
been for a fight was DC Jones two or Jones
DC two and the build to that was so good.

(38:06):
They truly hated each other.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
You felt it. Go watch that promo.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
I still say BT Sport put out like the best
promo I've ever seen for that fight. It's still like
it'll give you chills. It's like four minutes long. It's
so good. Uh yeah, anytime there's a storyline, and I'm
way more invested.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Dude, when they when they traded Luka Doncic from the
Dallas Mavericks to the LA Lakers. I've seen maybe one
quarter of the LA Lakers play since then.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, same look.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I read every possible think piece and podcast about why
the Mavericks would do something like that. So to his point,
there's just a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I don't know if it's the Internet age or the
way we consume media these days. I'm not sure exactly
what fully explains it, But for I know a lot
of people are this way about the NBA, and you
can definitely count me as one of them. For sure.
I don't watch. I mostly watch the Wizards, who are
real bad, and then that's really about it. You know,
I didn't watch hardly. I mean I've seen it again
about a quarter of you know, Luca playing for the

(39:05):
for the for the Lakers. Here we go from Joseph. Okay,
besides pornography and combat sports, what is a topic you
guys know a lot about but typically keep to yourself.
That's an interesting one, Long Island. Whyn't you give me one? Yeah,
that's a hard one, man.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't really keep a lot to myself as far
as my interest.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I feel like, I know he said besides pornography and
combat sports, but I feel like combat sports is one
of those things when I'm out with people that I like,
people don't even realize I'm like a big MMA fan,
and then like they'll mention like, oh, that guy looks
like he's ready to fight, and I'm like, oh, you
guys see the fights last night, you know, And I
start rambling and they're like, what the fuck is this
guy talking about?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Something else? Though?

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Like beer, I'm pretty into beer, like brewing it and
shit like that, and like me and my girlfriend always
go to breweries, and like, I don't know, I feel
like I'm that guy who could tell you like, oh,
you should get this beer if you like this kind
of thing or that. Yeah, I don't know, so that
would be something that I feel like I know a
lot about that.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I don't really talk. Yeah, I mean, like as a
forty five year old dad, you know, I don't know
how much time I have for stuff like this. But
what I would say is.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
It's bird watching.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I don't know much about bird watching. That's the thing.
I don't know. I don't, I don't. I don't know
what I'm doing, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
What I look at them? I mean, what else is?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
You have to kind of study their habits. You have
to like sit in a place and like see who's there,
what do they do, who's interacting? You know what? What
birds show up?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Just a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I'm just saying, No, I don't, I don't know. I
don't know hardly what I'm looking at. What I will
tell you was kind of interesting is and I made
this pot before and like here I'll show it to you.
Do you know what this is? No, No, it's not
a sex toy. It is uh, it's a actually I
think their logo is on it. These are toe spacers.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Oh yeah, all right, we've heard about your toes.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, correct toes dot com if you want to get it. Dude,
I have what do I know a lot about? Well? Again,
what I feel like I know a lot about is
barefoot shoes because I understand something bro I had to
worst parents growing up, right, And I never had cool
shoes growing up, never, just it didn't exist. And then
I finally, you know, get into my twenties and I

(41:07):
finally get a little scratch in my thirties, and I'm like,
you know, man, I want to wear the shoes I
was never able to wear growing up. That's what I
want to do, and I was after I got married
and stuff I was wearing. Oh, I have so many
Jordans sitting in my closet that I just fucking loved.
They didn't break my feet. But what I realized was

(41:27):
doing jiu jitsu and doing wrestling, I had a very
very It was not I didn't have a hard time
pressing off my big toe on my left foot. I
could not. I could not accelerate pushing off my big
toe because it was slanted in like this. And I
didn't understand what was happening. I didn't know anything about
like these conditions or bunions or this. I didn't know

(41:48):
anything about it, and so I just had to look
into it and look into it and look into it,
and there is obviously still a lot that is unknown.
There is some data that you know is undercutting to
a degree of the barefoot movement. However, getting your toes
to splay rather than being this or like, you know,
this one being like ganked over like that, is actually

(42:09):
very very important for balance. Balance becomes extremely important as
you get older. There's just a lot of really valuable things.
And I could I literally could not use it to accelerate,
and I would always have to tape my big toe
to my secondary toe, which would kind of pull it
over into place, and then I could accelerate off of it.
But you know you have to constantly wrap before class
if to constantly unwrap, and then you might be wrapping

(42:30):
your fingers too. It just became I was like, why
why is everyone else able to like bend their big
toes like this? How am I the only one who
can do it? And it led me down this path
to a place where I'm now getting barefoot shoes. And
you saw the ones I had in the studio, like
they're good for your feet, but the fashion sense behind
them is horrendous. So dude, I have bought barefoot shoes
from Germany, Switzerland, China, the United States, various parts of

(42:53):
the United States. All I mean, I have vivo lems
feel grounds, bear, bear, I mean, I just could go
on down the list. I have so ultras. I I mean,
I have I have nothing but this at this point.
And what I can say is my feet feel a
lot better. But I would still say that that one
big toe has gotten better, way better. I can excelerate

(43:16):
off of it a little bit now, but it's still
messed up like it is. It's a My wife thinks
I got it from wearing military boots that like, you know,
that's that scrunch your toes together, you know, I know
it's it sounds boring, due, But then when you get
older and you're like, dude, shit starts like not working
and you have to like actively invest to make parts
of your biology work that you took for granted. That's

(43:38):
the part that you don't really appreciate when you're too young.
You like you you have to be on top of it.
So barefoot shoes and like, the barefoot movement is something
I've actually read a lot about and spend a lot
of time experimenting personally. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I was boring.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
That was a great, Luke Thomas answer. There, I'm an
expert in barefoot shoes. People are gonna love that.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I don't know anybody else like in my orbit who
wears them, so like it's just a thing that I
have to kind of like, you know, go down the
rabbit hole on all right? From Gabe Luke Squared, Favorite
and least favorite bits from the show and Mima as
a whole. I feel like you got to answer this
one favorite and least favorite.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
All right, Well, least favorite. I wrote this down the
best boyfriend joke.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
I mean, come on, that's this is the least favorite
skit and in this show from an Australian Man's nutsck
is a close second.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I mean that's gotta be up there. Favorite.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
I mean, dude, I could go on for days with
I couldn't even like think of them all but like
whippets in an RB's parking lot, like Joseph a bank
O bro you watching Max and Volk forty nine times,
like Duncan in high school.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Drinking fifty beers.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
You know, like there's just I could go on for
days with all the good ones. But uh yeah, I
just love when you guys poke at each other with
funny shit.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, I mean you get to a point in life
where you're like, who am I trying to impress?

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Whom I try to impress? You know, it doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
So that gets from MMA as a whole, though, or
best bits.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I we never fully fleshed out High Court. We got
a little close with it, but the whole idea of
High Court, it was my idea. The whole idea of
it was.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Get high as shit.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
No, well yes, but the plan was dress up silly,
act silly. But take a topic that actually is an
interesting question, at least in theory, right, Try to find
an interesting question you could debate, is John Jones are
greast of all time despite all our ped feelers, something
like that, right, and then try and actually make a
good faith argument around it. We never quite fine tuned

(45:41):
it enough by doing it enough, so I think it
had like early promise, but I think we were just
scratching the surface on that. But High Court is one
to me that I loved if even though I could
admit it needed much more fine tuning.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
You know, I feel best bits from like MMA characters
like I feel like Tito doing the the Grave Digger
after he getting like like that's a that's a good
like bit right, we gotta shout that out at Johnson.
I know it's recency, but like John Silva barking, I
don't know why I fucking love that shit.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I don't love that.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
I love it because he doesn't even he does it
when him and his team, like he was on Embedded,
him and his team are like putting their hands in
like on three, let's go, and like they're like, let's go,
and he just does it in the gym and ship.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I'm like, this guy is a wild man. I love it.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I was not into that. I was like, okay, just
fight him, please.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
You Weewi's was good too before they like totally.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Over, bro, you missed Paul Bintello. Don't fear me, fear
the consequences.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, I did miss that.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
And they used to call Dana Blaf on the internet
b l a F. Built like a fighter. You remember that, No, Oh,
they used to call him Blaf b l a F. Yeah,
built like a fighter. There's been a bunch of these,
you know, and also like Sea level Kane, oh true
motivated BJ kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
You know, there's a bunch of those R three with
a mustache was one one you know before.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, that's a good one. All right, let's keep this
tri Weve got a bunch to get through. Let's get
through these I we can, Abraham says. Looking past UFC
three fourteen, it's pretty clear that the next true event
of note for the UFC is going to be International
Fight Week. What those fight nights are good, We'll talk
about them at the end of the show. But with
that in mind, what would your dream twenty twenty five
International Fight Week main card be? Feel free to base

(47:23):
this off the potential result of booked fights I e
j A M versus Balal and then Defense versus Islam.
All right, I'm gonna say main event Islam to Pooria.
Now again, I would say John versus Tom, but I
just don't think that's in the cards for International Fight
Week at the mist MSG. Yeah yeah, so so I
don't think it's in the cards for this. So I'll

(47:44):
say Ilia versus uh uh uh is Islam. Then we'll do.
I saw Kobe covingson leak this.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
I have the same nin and comine because of the.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
DDP versus Hamzat, which is, by the way, if they
put those two fights together on a card that is
that is sick. Yeah, that is sick to do something
like that. But beyond that, I don't know who they
would even make available to be honest with you, or.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Like, I got three more for you. Okay, all right?

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Third title fight Pantosia KKF because it doesn't have the
most hype around it, so you just throw it as
the third title fight on this stack dass card. Uh
fight below that, I'm going the winner of Ian Gary
Carlos protest versus Sean Brady. Maybe we're killing a contender there,

(48:33):
but like winner of that should get the next title shot.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
At I don't I don't hate that. I don't hate that.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
And then opening your card Charles olvera Patti pimblet.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Oh right, dude, that is a That's a fantastic card.
I don't have one better than that. That is great.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Yeah, those are some bangers.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
What's your what's your early thoughts on those two?

Speaker 4 (48:53):
For the main and Comaine Uh Islam Ili, I'm going Islam.
You can't bet against Islam. I do think Ilio probably
makes it the closest anyone has besides maybe VOLC the
first time. But uh yeah, like I see it go
in the distance Islam though taking it home, DDP hams
out is it's so interesting. I feel like, if Hamzat

(49:16):
can finish him in the first two rounds, obviously he'll win.
Otherwise that goes past round two. I feel like it's
Ddp's fight. Mmm, Like I think if he can survive
ten minutes, he can survive fifteen more, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
And you know what's interesting is I feel like Ilia
versus Islam is an interesting fight, but the co main
event is also an interesting fight again, assuming they make
it in this way. Yeah, but for like totally different reasons.
Like in other words, the thing that makes Islam Ilia
interesting as a fight not so much the stakes and
like who wins the title, but like just the fight
itself is like completely distinct from what makes the comin

(49:53):
event interesting. Fight, which is a one is a like
super tactical, technical, you know, very careful fight. It has
to be fought. I'm sure it would be open up,
but like, you know, you like, the consequences of getting
it wrong against either guy is quite dire. Whereas I
feel like I feel like the comine is gonna look
like a three Stooges sketch sketch you know what I mean,
it's just gonna be and and you this is what

(50:14):
I mean about MMA. It's like so open in that
way where you can get all these like wild ass
kinds of different fight complexions, all right, from Abraham. If
you had to pick a specific division in period of
time as the best all time, what would it be.
This would include a combination of both the quality of
fighters competing and the fights they produced. For example, twenty ten,

(50:34):
twenty eleven light heavyweight, when Jones made his title run,
that's gonna be a good one. Well, what else would
you say? Long Island? Look, I mean one of Saint
Pierre's eras too. He was beaten up tough guys left
and right.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
That's a good call.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
I was gonna say, like featherweight in like that twenty
fifteen sixteen era where you got like Jose Aldo, Chad Mendez,
Frankie eggar connor, Max Pourier, even like Cub Swanson was
up there and they're all like kind of fighting each other.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So that was fun.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I'm gonna say heavyweight, but in particular Pride Circle two
thousand and three and four and maybe even five, when
Fador really began to open up and you know, beating
no Garett, but you had no Gara, you had you
had cro Cop, you had fad Or you had to
an extent, Bob Sap you have. You had a bunch
of crazy crazy and more than that, Heath Herring and

(51:24):
Kazuyuki Fujita and like, you know, again, this is what
I mean about like forgotten fights. Have you ever seen
Fador nogharo one? Yes, like where he like, they're they're
amazed at his ground and pound. They'd never even seen
ground and pound like that. You know. I remember Stephen
Quadras being like, I've never seen ground and pound like this.
I've never seen somebody with submission defense like this. You

(51:46):
forget what good heavyweights look like. That kind of thing,
to me is kind of lost. But that era, the
Pride heavyweights, dude, the Pride heavyweights were doing that when
Tim Sylvia was fighting Gan McGee. You know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
It's hard to judging era in the last like ten
years to or well, let's say like last five years too.
Like we might be going through golden eras of divisions
right now, but until their careers are done, it's hard
to like really put it in perspective.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Of where it stands.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
In current featherweight is so I'm saying there's a lot
of good, believably good.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Yeah, weight weight, They're all good.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, they're all yeah. I don't know if those are
the two. I don't know if current lightweight is like
Golden Era. We'll see. But to your point, like, all
of them are good, yeah, all of them all? Right?
From Emilio. Hi, I'm forty one from Peru. I've been
a fan of the show since episode one and long
time hardcore fan since UFC one. I do find myself,

(52:39):
he says, losing a bit of interest in the sport lately,
missing some fights, skipping cards even But my main problem
is that I keep falling asleep during the main events
because they are so fucking late. Do you have any advice,
as a fellow forty plus for losers to stay up
so late to watch the fights? I get paid to
do it, so I just get paffinated, you know what
I mean. I don't know how to answer that question,

(53:00):
because here's what I'm guessing. He's drinking or smoking and
then he's you know, by the time the main event
comes on. I can't help you there, brother, I got
to be sober for these you know.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
You just got to keep drinking through it.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
You know, if you're like done drinking for the night
and then plan on watching the fights, you're obviously going
to fall asleep. I can't answer this because I'm not
over the age of forty yet. But tune into Main Carmenute,
tune into Luke Thomas.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Watch along. We'll keep you awake, bro, We'll keep you.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. Like people always ask me, like
you know, they ask me questions that are relevant to
my demo, like age, how long I've been watching the sport,
blah blah blah, but they ask it from the perspective
of a fan, and it's like I have a different
relationship to the sport, so the things that happen around
me don't happen to fans. Like in other words, I

(53:46):
can stay up late and my wife will cover it
because it's my job. So we just understand taking turns,
you know, in these ways. Whereas you know, I don't
know if other marriages would be like listen, I'm not
letting you stay up forty plus saturdays a night or
a year, and then you know, waking up at noon
on Sundays like, I don't know how that flies for
a lot of a lot of families. You know what
I mean, we pull my cherirupol exactly. I'm in the

(54:08):
same boat, though.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
I mean I could call you the best husband ever
with that last quote, though, you know, wasting Saturday night
making her do everything, just saying lu.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Listen, listen, I paid my dues. You understand hid All right?
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fire through some of these if we can Long Island, Luke,
let's do it. Let me Is it all right if
I jump around a little?

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
All yeah, all right, let me think here.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Just let me know the number?

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Yeah sure, Uh, okay, I'm gonna skip sixteen. Oh I
like this one. How about number seventeen from Eric b
and rock him best food scene on the East Coast?
That isn't NYC Okay, we got to go to the
New Yorker here rolling his eyes, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I mean, you got to answer this question. I feel
like you're gonna have a good answer for this.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I don't know if I will. I will tell you
what my favorites have been. So I mean, listen, first
of all, if you go to any major city, it's
not that hard to find good food. You know what
I mean? Tell that to Iowa and the Mexican Well
their Mexican food is I mean, they're just stealing from
those people. It's it's Miami. Oh you know what our
producer says, Miami. I'm inclined to agree it might be Miami.

(57:10):
I found the food in Miami to be outrageously good,
you know, and obviously it depends on like your culinary preferences,
you know, but like I I mean, and obviously you know,
from Mexico to Argentina, Hispanic food is wildly different place
to place. But in terms of like getting all of
that represented in one place and you know, all of
it being but some of it's obviously very expensive, but

(57:31):
much of it can be quite affordable too. Miami's up there, bro,
Miami's is good.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I really think Carolina barbecue, I feel like that's a
big thing.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Like, yeah, I would say, I would say, like Charleston,
South Carolina, I'm told has a good scene as well
barbecue or in general in general Baltimore you know, listen,
are where are you on crab cakes?

Speaker 4 (57:54):
I'll eat them if yeah, I would eat them. I
wouldn't order them, but I would like they were out
on a tray or some people.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
In Baltimore or they lose their minds over crabticks. I
like them. I don't love them, Yeah, that's right, but
you know, if you like them. Obviously, Maryland and Baltimore
particular is going to be amazing for that. Philly, Philly
has surprisingly good food. It does more than that though,
like it's got I don't know how good to fine
dining is there, but like decent restaurant down I found

(58:21):
to be like quite plentiful. DC's has got good food
to eat, but I think a lot of it is
quite expensive. Yeah, I think Miami's your answer. It's definitely
not Atlanta. Atlanta can go suck a dick. I'm not
fuck Atlanta. All right, let's see, let me pick one here. Okay,

(58:46):
how about question nineteen from Mark? All right, he says,
from Mark, I hope this email finds you well. My
question is whether Olivera is a good matchup against Patty
following three fourteen. I do not know if this would
be contingent on to Poria and timing to Poria having
not fought since late October and Olivera late November. If

(59:07):
one expects Olivera to beat Patty, what factors led to
Patty's overwhelming technical knockout over Chandler? Where Olivera went to
decision with Chandler last November. So it's kind of asking
about MMA math. What is your renal math?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
I mean, I don't love doing MMA math. Also, like.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
I don't know me and Chuck We're talking about this yesterday,
this fight possible fight Charles versus Patty, and like, not
that I would favor Patty, but it's certainly winnable for Patty,
Like whereas I feel like Arman is not that winnable
for Patty.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
I think you disagreed with that.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
But I I feel like Armand runs right through Patty.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
But Patty, Charles is pretty intriguing.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Like we've all seen Charles pre becoming a champion, and
I think we all still have that in the back
of our mind, and it's like, damn, I could see
a world where Patty turns him into the old Charles.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I would mostly agree with that analysis. I mean people
always ask like, oh, how could it? You know again
play an mma math. First of all, remember you leave
a piece of yourself every time you go into the octagon.
You have like a blood and guts fight, which virtually
every chan their fight is he left the piece of
himself after that one in against OLIVERA. And I know
you're like, oh, well, you know that wasn't the worst

(01:00:21):
beating he's ever taken, but it doesn't matter. Like the
accumulative total can be quite bad. So I think that's
part of it. The second part is dude, youth. I
think people just don't understand what youth does. I mean
we do intuitively, but like the feeling of like you
can go up against someone who's like real skilled and
kind of older and maybe hang or hang around a
little bit, and then you go up against someone who's

(01:00:42):
not a skilled but much younger, and the dude, like
the physical differences are they can be overwhelming, quite literally.
I think that's what you saw. Also, Fucking Patty's good, dude.
I you know, when he came to the UFC, I
didn't see anything impressive about him. I mean he had
good back control stuff like that, but you know, nothing
like crazy impressive. Dude. He's good now. He's good now.
He's a very good fighter. And that's other part too,

(01:01:05):
those leg kicks and that mount he had, or that
high mount where he was high up underneath Chandler's armpits
and he's raining down punishment. Dude, he's physical now, and
I think that's transformed his game a little bit. Where
if you have good back control but you're scrawny like
Mikey Mussameci, you have to be very technical, and he
is technical. To be sure, but you can dial that

(01:01:25):
back a little bit, a little bit to let the
braun play out if you've got it. Dude, he's got braun.
He's got more braun than Charles Olivera. You can say that.
I'm not saying he's to your point. I'm not saying
Patty's more skilled than him. But he's got more braun
now he does. Yeah, dude, it mixed up for a lot.
Like it mixed up for a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
There's a lot of tough matchups for him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
But if they like do match make it right, he
could definitely become a champion. But like, I don't see
him beating Islam, I don't see him beating Ilia, I
don't see him beating Arman.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
So like, if those three are in your way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Dude, the Arman thing. Arman is physically extremely impressive, and
his wrestling is impressive. He's only got good ground and
pound when the person relents to being on their back,
not when they are on their knees or trying to
build height. And I don't see how I don't understand
how people don't see this. Like that's not enough. That's

(01:02:19):
not enough to win a title. It's not especially not
at fifty five. Of course, you know, a big punch
can land. Anything can happen. He's got big power. Okay, fine,
but like you have to build these other conditions into
place in order to win, and he doesn't do that.
At least he has it historically very well. Maybe he'll
work on that. He's still young, right, he's still young.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
I'm curious what his next fight is because I don't
think they're giving him the title shot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Nor should they don't. I don't think that they should.
I know that they did and that they're taking it back,
but I actually think it's in his interest to not
take it. Yeah, I believe that, all right. From our
friend Daz number twenty aloha L and L. Regarding a
Volk's technical mastery and to adjust, how is GSP similar
or different? GSP vulk is highly unique. There are not

(01:03:10):
many guys who try to manipulate rhythm and timing and
distance standing up in the way that he did. Saint
Pierre did it a little bit, or he would faint,
you know, get a reaction, jab cut, cut an angle
like he's doing all the He's doing all the same
things as well, but not as forcefully and not as concertedly.
And not as often, right, And and the other part

(01:03:32):
two is after he got walloped by Sarah. You know,
after that he turned a bit more into a wrestler,
And so it was more about just blending the two,
which of course Volk does as well. But to me,
Vulk is like who is You know, people always think
of the best strikers as the guys who have the
best knockouts, and you know, getting great knockouts can obviously

(01:03:54):
be a function of being a great you know, a
great striker, but another thing that makes a great striker.
I said this before. Dude, he's made weather. He's Mayweather.
He's manipulating these guys in ways where they can't get going.
They don't know what else to do to pivot out.
They are subject to having their timing disrupted, their rhythms
and their patterns disrupted. They can't get close. When they

(01:04:16):
do get close, they get cracked, and it just goes
on like this. And he never puts them away out never,
But you know, he doesn't always put them away. But
you know, I guess the guy like Lopez, he's just
fighting underwater the entire time. Saint Pierre didn't do that.
Saint Pierre was not like that. Saint Pierre were kind
of more of a blending of the different parts while
you know, while also having fakes and feints and you know,

(01:04:37):
a great job and all that kind of stuff. Does
that make sense, I'm explaining myself clearly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I've pretty much missed the gsp era, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
So I was gonna let you take the lead on
that anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
But yeah, it was. It was glorious, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
I know, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I have a lot of respect for Kimorno. He's the
second best of all time. It wasn't like Saint Pierre's.
Saint Pierre's was something different, you know. Yeah, And also
he was he was a groundbreaking because it was only
relevant to Canada. But when he got the under Armour sponsorship,
we were like whoa. And then he got Gatorade and
we were like holy shit, you know, and this is
when this is when everyone was wearing their T shirts

(01:05:11):
of press conferences and He's showing up in a suit
and tie. It was just a different time he was.
He was ahead of the curve for sure, you know,
all right from Michael, I've noticed that regardless of the sports,
so MMA baseball, basketball, et cetera. Anytime there are two
brothers who compete in the same sport, there's always one
that's significantly better than the other. Why do you guys
think that is so? Who would be some brothers in

(01:05:34):
other sports? The the Giannis and his brother in basketball?

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Just a shitload in basketball, The Lopez twins, the Morris twins, yep,
the Three Brothers, the Grants, Jeremy Grant, oh right, the Holidays,
Drew Holliday and his brothers. There's a lot, but uh,
maybe because there's so many in basketball, I feel like
we could like the Morris twins.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
They're they're arguably the same.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Yeah, who is it? Mark? Mark Heath and Marcus Marcus.
I mean they're I'm not saying they were the same,
but there's not a huge drop off between them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Yeah, whereas like Brooke and Robin Lopez, Brooke was always
way better.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Kind of thing. Oh pow and Mark Gasol. How could
we forget them? They're both pretty they were both All stars.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
They're both pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah. Uh, I don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Remember do you remember Mark Hughes, Matt Hughes's brother. No, Yeah,
he had a twin brother named Mark who was also
fucking you know, built like one of these guys, he
was really good. He was really good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Wayne Gretzky's brother played in the NHL. Like, there's a
lot of guys that I don't know. I just feel
like it's more of, oh, this guy's a spectacle rather
than we're brothers. One of us has to be better
than the other kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
But also, like, why would brothers be equally talented? I
mean some will be to you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
They're different people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
They're different people. They might have slightly different work ethics,
slightly different focuses, slightly different genetic you know, differences that
over time just lead to different results. Also, if like
one is older and you know they're good, then the
younger one is like way better. The old one might

(01:07:13):
just like, yeah, this, oh this is what it looks like.
When they're really good, you can kind of just give it,
not give up. But like, you know, realize that my
path is limited. But also, you know, if you and
your brother make it to the NBA, something went right true,
Something went right true? All right from Jack, While younger
than Chandler, is aspinall similarly at risk of wasting his

(01:07:34):
prime waiting around for a Jones fight that may not happen.
Would he be better off fighting someone like God and
for the developing his skills and increasing his leverage over
Jones in UFC? What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
I don't think the answer is fighting more, but I
somewhat agree with this dude.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
How old is Tom aspinall like twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Eight twenty eight ish? I think?

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Let's see Tom Aspinal is thirty two, all right, a
little older than I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Okay, so heavyweight, thirtyweight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, so he's got he's got ten years easily left. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
I don't know, because the bummer is if it does
turn out a Chandler situation and you just waited all
this time and then John just retires and it's like,
well you should have fought zero gone and whoever. But
like there's no clear other can there's no third guy
at heavyweight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
So I think I think, if you're Tom right now,
you wait. You have to. Yeah, that's too big to jeopardize.
You have to wait. But if it doesn't happen this year.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
You move on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah, you have to move on, Like you cannot sit
on the shelf in your prime like this and waste
this kind of time. And I grant to your point,
who's he gonna fight? You know? These are these are
these are questions for the UFC to figure out, not
for you and I. But I give it this year,
I give I give Jones every opportunity. There's no reason
why they can't fight this year. But if this year
falls away, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Move on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
If we get to like July and they still haven't
announced them for MSG, then I'm kind of losing hope
at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, But we'll see, We'll see. I'm
still holding out again. I'm fifty to fifty on it.
We'll see what happens, all right? From Max? What do
you make of a potential Drickis? Oh, we just talked
about this. What do you make of a potential Drinckis
versus Hamzad matchup? Is Hamza's ground game too good for Drickis?
Or does drikus size give him an advantage? So you

(01:09:20):
mentioned that you thought that if it went past the
second it's Drickis's fight to lose. What happens in the
first two rounds.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
The same thing that Hamzad does in any fight, or
he just glove bell rings and he's fucking shooting Anya
and maybe he doesn't get him down the first time,
maybe not the second time, but by the third time
he's getting Drinkis down. And the real question is Hamzad's
guess tank we saw him go what three rounds with
uh usman, like, we've never seen him go five. He

(01:09:52):
just can't trust it, you can't. And Drinkis is what
five rounds? What three fights in a row now or something?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
So like we're close to it. He finished isy earlier.
But you know what I mean? Uh, yeah, I don't know.
It's it's more of a what it like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Hamzad's gas tank passed round two, shooting takedowns the entire
that's pretty fucking tiring.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Like, I don't know, but uh, Drick is probably more
well rounded.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
I know that feels weird to say because Dricks doesn't
really look great anywhere, But like, Hamzad is definitely a
one dimensional guy. Yeah, flatline GM three But like even
that was I don't want to say fluky, but it
was like the first punch he threw in that fight
and it connected.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
You know, I don't know, what's your take.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't there's there's
I mean amazing that Hamzad has been in the UFC
all this time and we still have like deep unknowns.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
About him, right because he never fights.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
He never fights, is is aknown quantity. He's unpredictable in
certain ways, but he's a known quantity at this point,
you know, is he obviously no, I mean fully known
quantity like these guys who've got you know, that's the
tough parrow of being a champion. We've dicussed there a
million times where they put there's so much tape on you,
and you've had to go through so many contenders, you
would just become a very known and understandable quantity. Hamzad

(01:11:05):
is not that, at least not fully. I mean, somethings
are known, right, But that's why this fight fucking rules, bro,
This fight rules. I really really hope they make this
for Internet. If they, I'm gonna say again, man, if
they make Foria Islam, and then this one is your comaine,
I don't know what else fight fans would be expecting
at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
To be honest, I'll take one of those as just
the main event.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I agreed. I'm getting greedy saying I would love you
both but I would take.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Either yes, yeah, for just one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
All right from Daz. Question for Long Island, Luke, here
we go, what was your most memorable betting win money
one and or fight watching experience? And what was your
worst bad beat? Great question?

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
All right, so.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Most memorable win had to be I mentioned this a
lot here, Uh dricks duplus see over three and a
half by submission, over Izzy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I do this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Called a bet generator my watch alongs where people literally
just blindly vote for who's gonna win.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
They don't even know who they're voting for.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
It ended up being dricis, it ended up being submission,
It ended up being over three and a half, and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
It fucking hit. It was plus twenty eight hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
So like culmination of all those things, like it just
being randomly generated and it actually hitting and how much
money we won.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
It was dope. That was awesome. Worst bad beat?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
I got a couple for you here, uh Chevchenko Grosso two.
I can't remember who the underdog was, let's just say
it was Chefchenko. I had a bet on Chevchenko and
then I took Grosso by decision. I'm sitting there going
as long as this fight goes to the distance, I'm
cashing one of these and I'm like counting my money already,
and then it goes the distance and it's a fucking draw.

(01:12:42):
And I lost to all the bets. So that was
a bummer. And uh Alex Morono Santiago Ponzinibbio, I had
the over two and a half and Ponzinibbio knocked him
out with two minutes and thirty one seconds left in
round three.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
That was pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
And I got to give Gaff a shout out for
the Holloway g Chie fight. He had fucking Holloway by decision,
which Halloway was already an underdog, and he.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Took him by decision. He was looking like a genius
the entire fight.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
We're like, damn, Gaff, you knew Holloway was gonna winnes
and then he gets knocked out. We all lose our
minds because that was one of the greatest knockouts in
UFC history. Gaff sitting there stone faced like probably just
lost a shitload of money, but that was one of
the worst bad beats ever.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Four minutes, fifty nine second knockout.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Oh my god, Yeah, I had no idea. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
It's pretty funny, but yeah, amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
I remember the first time I went to Vegas with work.
Oh no, not the first time, the first time I
went to Vegas in a non Marine Corps context, so
for like my like civilian job. And I was like,
I'd never gambled, like I've done slot machines and like
bullshit stuff. I never sat at a table, you know.
So I was like sat at a table and it
was like, uh, I think it was like blackjack, and

(01:13:53):
I was like, all right, I got two hundred and
fifty bucks. I'm just gonna play it out if however
long it lasts is how long it lasts. It lasted
ten minutes, Yeah, it's it lasted ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
It's usually what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
And then you're like I was like, okay, well that
was that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Yeah, that was that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
All right, let's do this if we can. Let's talk
about there's some upcoming fights that we kind of just
want to lean into. So obviously there's no UFC this weekend,
and I think there's one the week after that. Let's
talk about that if we can for just a second.
Here Long Island Luke, which is the UFC Kansas City

(01:14:28):
main event. I want to talk about that relative to
another one in just a second. But let's set this
up April twenty sixth. It's going to be Ian Gary
taking on Carlos Projess Carlos Protest by the way, as
a YouTube channel. Did you watch that at all?

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
By the way, no, I haven't seen. No.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
He puts out a lot of training footage on there.
I want to lean into the future here a little bit,
so let's let's look ahead if we can. And by
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We thank them for their patronage. Here, let's talk about
a little bit. What would you say is what has
you most hyped about that fight?

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Hopefully proving everyone wrong because if you guys remember before
this fight was even booked, I said, ooh, Ian Gary
versus Carlos practice. I think Ian Gary runs right through
Carlos practice, and everyone gave me a shift for it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
And sure, maybe runs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Right through was a little harsh on my end, but
I do favor Ian Gary in this fight, and I
feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
It let me play Devil's advocate. Why are you so
high on Ian Gary? Like what is it about him
that gives you confidence? I'm not saying you're wrong. I
just want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
It's not that I'm necessarily so high on him.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
You know, BC likes to say his best win was
the loss to Shavkat, Like, obviously, obviously he's half joking
when he says that, but like somewhat agree, Like Ian
Gary stock went up for me personally after that fight, Like,
did I ever think Ian Gary was championed material?

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
No, But after seeing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
That fight, I said, you know what, maybe one day,
Like he looked pretty damn good. Carlos protest similar to
John Silva this past weekend, Like I just feel like
you're getting all these quick knockouts. I haven't really seen
you tested in your full game. I haven't seen you
taken down. I haven't seen that. Like, Ian Gary's smart,
He's going to game plan smart. He's going to get

(01:16:23):
this fight to the ground if he needs to. I say,
if he needs to, because for all you know, he's
gonna have success on the feet.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Obviously, there's always the threat of the knockout. Gary's never
been knocked out, though, I just I don't know. I
favorite Ian Gary in this fight a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Do you think if Ian Gary runs through process do
you think he'll become a fan favorite at that point?
If he runs through to the point you read bea
not beat him, not straight by him, smoke him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
I kind of think this is a lose lose from
a fan standpoint for Ian Gary, because you're giving me
that look. I mean, Ian Gary's already not very liked,
and Carlos Protess is like loved by everyone just for
the fact that he smokes cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Like that's how that's how you become liked. Is you
beat heroes? People think people? Yeah, I know carl S
Potch is school. Like the fact that he smokes you know,
Menthols or whatever is fucking awesome. But like, this is
the same thing with Supportia, Like, oh, he beat Vulcan,
everyone hated him. Then he beat Max, another beloved fighter,
and then you notice the worm begin to turn a

(01:17:23):
little bit. It's when you destroy the things that people
hold deer. If you do it enough, then you become
the thing that they hold dear. I've seen it too
many times to think otherwise.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
I think the best arc for Ian would be it
won't be in this fight as far as being beloved,
Like he'll beat Protest, but if he beats ballall fans
are gonna love him because people really just hate ballall
at that point, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Like also, like it's one of those things with Vulcan,
the same where he's talking about, you know, adversity, which
is it. I agree that, Like, if he beats Prochess,
that won't be the deciding factor by any stretch. But
if he does beat Prochess and then let's say, wins
the title after that, I'm just making something up. People
will see him, you know, having had to eat all
that shit and get you know, destroyed in the media

(01:18:08):
and then come back and take on tough challenges and
overcome them and then achieve at the highest level, and
they'll be like, wow, he persevered, he showed all those people,
and then all of a sudden, that's gonna I mean,
people will still make jokes about him or whatever, but
I think you'll see a lot of at a bare minimum,
you'll see a massive drop off in the negativity, a
massive drop that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
But it would have to be a finish I think
if he skates by on a decision, people are just
gonna go, oh, he didn't even win that far.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Protest is still whatever, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yeah, yeah, there is a risk there now. If Protest
is to win, it has to be on the feet,
and it has to be because he has more dynamic
punching power, right, Like, I don't even know what else
it would be at that point.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Yeah, Like again, is there a world where he knocks
eing Gary out? Sure, but I don't see that. I
think he just yeah outstrikes him through twenty five minutes.
But like, even that sounds hard when I say that
out loud, I'm like, I don't know if he can
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Let me, Uh, do you have any betting on this one?
All ready to go? Not yet?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
I mean we're still what two weeks out, So you know,
I gotta money in the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I've got it. Our friends at DraftKings ready, Yeah, hit me,
Carlos Procas minus one o eight, it's Ian Gary minus
one twelve. They've got it. As a Pickham brother, how
do you bet pick thems? You just stay away from
them or you just parlay them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
No, I mean normally I would just something like this,
where we're two weeks out and I see it's a
pick them. I'm waiting this out until someone becomes plus
money because the lines are gonna fluctuate. I do have
the opening. So Ian Gary opened at minus one forty
whole Protest opened at plus one twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Oh, so they're kind of coming together, maybe switching l.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Moneys come in on Protest, Yeah, which I'm into because
I would take Ian Gary as a dog in this
fight for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Otherwise, if it stays a pick them like this, I
probably stay away from money line and do like an
over under all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Right, if he ekes out a decision here, you don't
give him a title shot, right, There's just no way.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
No, because you got Sean Brady sitting there, you got
Shavcots sitting there, like no.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Yeah, you can't. You can't jump them.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
That's why I like that Sean Brady winner of this
fight fight because Shavcott's waiting in the wings. Anyway, we
don't know what's gonna happen with JDM. For all we know,
Bllall loses and now Islam's coming up. Like there's way
too much going on up top where it makes sense
to kind of kill off one of the contenders with
this versus Brady.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, I agree. It's a bit of a bottlenet going
like kind of kind of calling a little bit of
the herd, at least temporarily. Anyway, I think it makes
a lot of sense. Dude, I love this freaking fight.
There's sometimes I've said this before and I'll say it again,
there are times, Okay, your mileage may vary. Obviously, everyone's
mileage is going to vary, But for me formative experiences

(01:20:55):
in my fandom, where watching Jones as a content or
surging watching Connor as a content. I didn't like Connor's personality.
In fact, I found it. Really I feel very vindicated
that he's turned out to be like a horrible person
because I hated his personality from the word go but
to But but the point is is how magical was
his rise. It was one of the most insane things

(01:21:16):
we've ever seen. Same thing with to an extent, not
not as quickly but Rona Rousey. But Habib would be
another one. I always joke about this. I did a
sports radio show and I this was after the sale
of the UFC, and they're like, who's the next big thing?
And I was like, Habib number get made off. And
then I went back on the show like two years
later when he was you know, like or maybe maybe
was like right after the Connor fight, like three years later,

(01:21:37):
and they're like, man, you really called it back then,
and I was like, guys, it wasn't hard. It was
not hard. It was not hard to figure that out.
Because one of the most interesting times in a fighter's
life is when they're a contender and you just don't
know exactly how good they are, and each fight is like, well,
can they beat They can't beat this guy, can they
And then they do it, and then they do it,
and then they do it. Now, obviously he lost to Rockmanov,

(01:21:57):
but I still feel like he's young enough and he
performed ably enough in that fight where if he wins
this one, you know, I'm not gonna put him on
the level of Habiver, Jones or' connor. But I'm saying
I like this part of a fighter's career, the exciting
surge up, the contendership que It's it's really fun for me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
That's such a good call too, Like you don't know,
I remember like Whitakers rise and like he's fighting Jock
Ray and he was like a huge underdog and everyone's like,
he's not beaten fucking Jockeray he knocks him out. Then
he's fighting Yoel Romera. Everyone's like, all right, but he's
not beating Yoel. And then he beats you twice. You know,
like I love that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
It's so fun. It's so funny. Everyone always thinks, oh,
it's not fun until they get to the title and yeah,
like the title reign, if they can have one, is
obviously you know, like these are the biggest fights they'll have.
But when you're discovering someone's magic piece by piece, I
don't know. That's to me, that's what that's what. That's
when I get hooked on a fighter, that's how I
same thing with support you. I was like, oh, he's

(01:22:51):
fucking awesome. Yeah, even when he even when he got
his ship rocked by Ji Herbert, I was like, oh,
this guy is this this one's different, this one's different.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Now let me ask a question, because let's compare it. So,
what we've got with the UFC is we got a
week off coming up, and then we're back at it
with this fight. Here at this Ian Gary Carlos protest fight.
But the week after the UFC is going back to Minnesota.
They're going to go to Des Moines. I believe Minnesota.

(01:23:20):
So again you said Minnesota, Noai Moin. Yeah, you said Minnesota,
and then you before that, Oh sorry sorry Iowa, Iowa,
but Midwest you know Iowa. Yeah, it's just flyover country.
I'm teasing Iowa. I'm teasing, Uh, which main event do
you like better? Gary versus Protest or san Haagen versus Figuato,

(01:23:43):
Because I gotta tell you for me, both of these
main events are freaking awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Yeah, there's no wrong answer here. I guess like you
have to say Gary versus Protest is the better main
event just because Protest is undefeated in the UFC four knockouts.
Ian Gary I think is like eight and one in
the UFC, the one loss being shov Cut. Like they're
both on great right, accumulative twelve and one record in
the UFC. Whereas you go the other side, you got

(01:24:10):
Figgie I think is three and one at bantamweight, obviously
has a longer UFC career, but mostly a flyweight, and
you got san Haagen, who like is coming off that
loss to Umar. Sanhagan kind of loses every time he
steps up to the big name, you know, like that
top three and not that Figgy's there anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
I actually favorite Sanhagen in this fight, but.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
It might be a funner fight, it might be a
more all action fight, but I don't think it's the
better fight on paper, Like Ian Gary Carlos protest is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I actually so, I have a weird feeling about it.
First of all, I think both fights will be great.
I think you agree with that, Like, yeah, yeah, you
just got four talented people here, so and one of
them former champion. So there's that the fight between san
Hagen and Figuredo might actually end up being a better fight.

(01:25:01):
It could end up being a better fight, but the
stakes and the intrigue of Gary and protests is significantly
higher for me than san Haagen versus Figuredo. So like,
I think you get good fights either way. But I
could see it that we're midway through, you know, or
we're now into May fourth, right the Sunday after, and

(01:25:23):
we're like, you know what, that that last main event
was better than the one before, But I didn't care
as much because of the other sort of factors involved here.
Is that a fair read for you?

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Agree?

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Also, like, I know you're not asking this, but I
do think that Iowa card is better on paper than
the Kansas City card.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
I'd have to really look at them face to face.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
But just the fights that I remember here, like bo
Nickel RDRs the Comaine on Iowa, Like that's so good. Yeah,
there's a lot that I'm looking forward to between both
of these cards, even if I'm going to side with Garrett.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Yeah, and I'm looking up odds for the May third card.
Nothing yet for our friends of DraftKings, so we'll have
to wait on that one, although they do have odds.
DraftKings does have odds for that bo Nickel fight minus
forty five bon Nickel plus two hundred RDR. Are you
gonna take some cash on RDR No.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
I actually think that's like a pretty cheap price for
boon Nickel.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
I might just throw him in a parlay minus two
forty five. That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
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luke very quickly. Do you bet on boxing too?

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Right? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Did you bet on the Davis Lamont Roach fight?

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Yes? I had? What did I have?

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
I think I had Dravante by decision, so I did
not win.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
How would you bet the rematch? And obviously the odds
are going to be dependent, But what would be an
enticing bet for you? Given how the first one went?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
Again, I gotta see the odds because like, if you're
given Lamont, Roach is still going to be the underdog.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Let's be real, Yes you will.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
He'll probably be like pretty cheap, you know, like plus
three hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
I'm thinking something like that, and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
I would I would definitely take the over. It's going
to go the distance.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Well, true, I was gonna say, I'll probably repeat my
bet and do Gervante by decision. But I'll also probably
hedge it with just Lamont Roach money line worth a
flyer on it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Yeah, fair enough. Now our friends where of course this
is an All the Smoke production. Here our friends at
Art of War to the andre Ward Show and content
over on his YouTube channel. He sat down with Lamont Roach,
who of course has now been quite the hit a
black people think he won as a result of everything
that happened. He sat down with Lamont Roach, and it's
on this week's episode of Art of War. Andre Ward,

(01:29:01):
as I mentioned, sits down with the mott Roach, fresh
off of his highly publicized draw with Javonte Tank Davis.
The two discussed Roach coming up in the DMV. Let's
go alongside Tank, what went right for him on fight
night and the potential rematch. Tune into the full interview
on the All the Smoke Fight YouTube channel. Let's take
a look at this clip.

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
What was your read on Javonte going into the fight
him personally? I think he doubted hell hell of a talent,
hell of a puncher, super super super good accuracy. I
think that's what leads to the most of his knockouts, honestly,
but he doubt his health. He'd been doing it since

(01:29:41):
a kid some you know, that's just something I know.
So that played a that played a little a little
bit into the into the fight. I think when especially
when there's not a lot of animosity, because you got
to think a lot of people here and fought, they
just have differences. They be into it or whatever the

(01:30:01):
case may be. I don't got no problem with him,
and he don't got no problem with me. So I
think he was trying to find something to boost his
morale or get him going, or whatever the case may be.
And he tried to, like like the betting me that
he's gonna knock me out and stuff like that. They
didn't go too too well for him. Oh we bet
and we sugar on it. He changed his number, got

(01:30:28):
that ship?

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Got that?

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Yeah? Got that?

Speaker 7 (01:30:31):
He changes none of less slim m hm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
So you know, but that'd be a conversation for another day. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
I went to this guy's Yeah, I went that so
funny he changed his number. It's like you ever seen
that Chris Rock sketch. It's like when I get bills.
I just moved so great, dude. I went to Lamon's gym.
I cannot overstate this to you. I was texting with
his dad because I interviewed him long before the fight,
like October before the so months and months before, and
I was texting with his dad, and his dad gave

(01:31:04):
me the address of the gym and I looked it
up on map quest and or whatever my quest Google Maps,
and I was like, all right, then we plugged this
in and we went and it's not far from my
house actually, I mean it's like, you know, fifteen to twenty
minute drive. It's pretty it's pretty close. And then we
get there and it's just a Baptist church like but
not like a huge one, like a real modestly sized one,
you know, like very very very modest. And it's on

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this gigantic like gravel parking lot. And I pull in
and there's nobody there. There's like nothing there, and like
you know, there's like sheds and stuff with like you know,
equipment or you know, just it looked like just detrite us.
Like it didn't look like anything. And I texted his
dad and I'm like, Yo, where's the gym? He actually
texted back, ha ha, And I was like, eventually came

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out and pulled me in. Dudey it's a shed that
has like no heating, it has electricity because they run
like a giant power chord from the like like a
mile down the thing. And it, you know, like like
every amazing and perfect boxing gym. It smells like boxing
gloves and sweat and whatever. There's duct tape on everything,

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everything's dirty. It was perfect. It was perfect. If you
go into a boxing gym that's a whole lot nicer
than that. Walk the fuck out. You're in the wrong place. Brother,
Let me just say that. And do they're producing world
champions in this? And I asked him, like, how do
you guys stay warm in the in the in the winters.
They have a little bit of a heating mechanism in there.

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But he was like, you know, we just sparred, Yeah,
just smar and sweatshirts.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
I was like, fuck, bro, I remember, haf I remember
you sharing the picture of that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I think it was on your live chat or something.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Photo.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
It's like literally a dirt parking lot, like just warehouse
in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
You would you would drive by it and never in
a million years think that world champions were produced there,
Like the last thing in your mind would ever be
that they're tough, they're tough people, bro tough people. So
shouts to him. All right, but that is it for
us today. Long on, Luke, one more time. Plug what
you're doing for tonight's PFL broadcast.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Tonight, I'm doing the full Card watch along. I don't
know the time of my head what time it is, guys,
but you'll you should know by now. Just go to
PFL dot com or PFLMMA dot com, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
But yeah, full card watch along.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
You could subscribe to me main Card minute, follow me
on social all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Follow Luke to NBC.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
That's right. I'm gonna be on vacation for a little bit,
not too long, maybe four or five days. I'll be back.
We'll have a great show for you guys on Monday.
I don't know what the fuck we're gonna talk about,
but we'll figure something out. We always do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Oh we're recapping PFL.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Oh my god, we'll have the mighty have fallen, you
know what. But the fight should be good. Well, we'll
figure it out just the same. So thanks to everyone
who made the show possible here today, thanks to our
producer Matt. Thanks to you, Long Island Luke shouts to BC,
shouts to all of you who sent questions, and of
course you can always reach the show Morningcombat at gmail
dot com. That's the place to go. One more time,

(01:33:55):
Morningcombat at gmail dot com. So thanks to all of
you who make today's show possible. Thanks to all of
our sponsors, we're out of here. Enjoy your weekend, folks,
and until next time, may all of your gains be loyal.