Paddy Pimblett wants Ilia Topuria Next, UFC P4Ps, Jake Paul Ranked?

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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He's will be for it's time to back. Oh yeah,
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You ain't got shipped to do. You might as well
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And the man next to me is either frozen or
it's just mouth freezing. He's from d C. His name
is Luke Thomas. It's Friday. I'm sorry, it's not even Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's not Friday. He said it twice.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's only Thursday, Thursday, July third, right, but happy fourth
to all of you. Welcome into the MK. Luke Thomas,
What do you have to say for yourself? People thought
we started the show late because you were commoting it.
Is that a true fact?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well not in this particular case. I can just say,
whether it's UBC, whether it's my wife, whether it's half
the fan base, today is always a good day for
me to piss off somebody. I hope not, but you
never know what kind of hornet's nest I'm going to
walk into but I will tell you. You know, as
you can see, we'll talk about in just a second.
You got something on, I got something on, and uh hey,
it's fourth of July weekend. Dude, I gotta tell you,

(01:38):
don't you agree? Three day weekends. That's what life's all about,
is it?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Three day weekends? Three I worked every single day in June.
I'm not asking for a metal I am just saying
it's nice to have a three day weekend after all
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm looking forward to agreed, agreed, No fights of major note.
Jack Catterrell's back in the box in the UK. But
it is about America. It's about turning that grill on,
cracking a cold one, you know what I'm saying. Maybe
even lifting weights in your front yard. Just get out there,
enjoy it, let off a firecracker in your hand. You
don't need all ten fingers. All right, That's how we

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I do associate with the Aussi's al right, I got
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We're doing a great job and that's all because the
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most hyped for these drops this year. I love both
the shirts. It's been hard not to wear them the
last week or two. I'm not rocking it today because
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Speaker 1 (05:46):
So yeah, okay, you're a nice person. I appreciate that.
Thank you for much. Shout out to Luke Nosita. Luke,
do you want to share any Fourth of July plans
or you're not really into that?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, you know, we live in DC. It's always a dilemma, right, So,
I mean, the good news here is, I don't know
how you feel about fireworks, but they're legal here, so
you can just go down and buy you know, fucking
grenades and like that at the Bakara Market. You can
just go buy heavy artillery and mortars and claymores. That's
one option you can do. The other option is you
can go down to the mall. You can watch them there.

(06:16):
But the problem with that is, bro First of all,
I got a kids party at one pm on Saturday.
Second thing is, you like, there are a bunch of
places in the city, both in Maryland, Virginia and DC, like,
you know, different different spots where like it's amazing to
watch the fireworks, but you gotta you gotta be there
all day, Like that's a commitment from the morning until
the night. You just gotta be there. I don't know

(06:38):
if I want to do that, So I'm gonna figure
about that.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
There's other options.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
On the fourth, I'm just gonna go buy the I'm
gonna go to Bakara Market and just buy grenades and
set those off. I guess I think you.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Should just go to the Capitol steps right just ring
you can. You can't. You can't.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
You can go to the Supreme Court steps, that's what
you can do, But you can't go to the Capitol.
It's all blocked off.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Is because of Pat Militage.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think I don't think it's I don't think he's
the only reason.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh okay, all right, well he.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Might be one of them.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I don't think he actually spared PC's on Pelosi's desk,
but I think he would have.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Correct. No, they end up setting up a huge apparatus there,
and there's like a band that plays. It's a whole thing.
But you can go to the National Mall. You can
go in that grassy area. But again, dude, you gotta
be there like all day to get the right seat.
I do if I want to do all that.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, don't do that. You're gonna get angry, and we
don't know. They won't like it when you're angry. True
or false? We will. We will be back in the
studio this Monday, July seventh, sixth seventh, I can't really
eighth one of those days.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Monday.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
We'll be back in the studio July seventh, So check
us out. There nothing really going on this weekend. So
why don't we get into the topics that we do have?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
This is nine to eleven, like for everyone's dogs, right,
like every yes, yes, yeah, this dude, this is gonna
be my first July fourth in fifteen years that I
haven't had a dog. All right, pat great one?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
It does?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
It does?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
It does? My wife's little dog, Sasha, the she has
three of I think the three yappiest dog brands are
all inside of her Luke, and the only things she's
scared of in life are are is fireworks. So somebody's
gonna have to hold her type. But why don't we
get into our news cycle? Uh, the fallout familiar to

(08:35):
Poria's big time win. We got Connor McGregor in the
police blotter again, we got all that and then some tall,
pale and handsome let's do it. It's MK right frickin now?
Topic number one, who in fact is next for Ilia
Taporia just days removed from his breakthrough. You have three
seventeen first round knockout of Charles Olivera to become the

(08:56):
tenth two division champion in UFC history, the first doing
so wild unbeaten at seventeen, and oh, the sweepstakes to
find out his next opponent have begun. Yes, we did
see Patty Pimblet face off in the cage, whether that
was Joe Rogan's doing or not. But let's examine each
of the cases for the top two contenders. Luke Thomas,

(09:17):
there was Tell me if I'm wrong here, because I
think I fell. I got MMA senteled again. Are we
saying that that internet rumor that DDP was saying that
the co main event of UFC three to nineteen will
be Patty Pimblet versus Justin Gaichee. For the record, that's false, correct.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So yes, and well, okay, here's what actually happened, to
the best of my understanding, To the best of my understanding,
and actually I saw the video. There is a video
of DDP doing some kind of I think he's like
a car dealership where he's in some kind of a
garage looking near cars, and he actually says, hey, the
co main event for the card that I'm headlining against

(09:54):
Hamzat is going to be Patty versus Justin Gai Chee.
And my sense is that they probably at some point
the UFC was targeting that. Maybe there were initial discussions,
but dude, that's not far away at this point. I mean,
that's like what six seven weeks at most, you know,
if that's gonna be the co main event, Like, it's
a little late in the day to get that going,

(10:15):
especially for Patty and his need to make weight. So
there is a real basis for it. But Patty has
come out and said that, like, yeah, I'm not fighting
on He didn't say I'm not fighting at UFC eighteen, No.
Three nineteen. Yeah said I'm not fighting at three nineteen.
But basically in a case like yeah, I'm not making
that kind of a turnaround, it's not really possible. So
it doesn't seem likely at this point.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, well, we certainly feel like we have three big
time contestants in this sweepstakes at the top of the
one hundred and fifty five pound division from the upstart
Patty pimblet fresh off the destruction of Michael Chandler. Even
though he may not have the amount of elite still
in their prime wins to compare. He certainly has big
time marketing behind him. We also have the All Action

(10:59):
former title holder and BMF champion, Justin Gaetchee. How about
the number one contender, the guy who just weighed in
as the backup at UFC three seventeen, the Armenian Hulk
armand Sarukian Luke. Let's let's go through their cases one
by one. We're gonna start off with Patty Pimblet. But
first we're gonna listen to a little bit of sound
because Patty Pimblet stopped by what is the name of

(11:21):
Eric Nick Sick in snapchat Randy's new podcast.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Do you know if us verse Us you.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Were on that. They've invited me in the past. Uh,
we haven't been able to make it yet, but fantastic
piece of footage there. We have Patty Pimblet, who not
only wants alia, he's out there slinging shots. In fact,
shots were fired. Segment of shots fired is of course

(11:50):
brought to you by Quervo. Now is a good time
to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. Let's listen in
on Patty talking about what went down Saturday with the Eliots.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
I think it's the only fight to me, you know
what I mean, It's we haven't seen two people genuinely
dislike each other since Connor Rebib, you know what I mean,
Like everyone's always dead code the other all right way,
I hate him, I absolutely hate him. I wanted him
flip pain on his life. I mean, yeah, I'd like

(12:22):
that fight to go four minutes fifty seconds into the
fifth round and I've landed n under and seven elbows
and I have just figured his face. Only I don't
want to quick lockout. I want to put him through pain.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, Jesus Christ. Wow, look that was interesting. I'd like
to get your reaction to that. And really the case
here for Patty as the next opponent.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
So we got more Patty audio, which I think will
add to some of the case that I think he
and his coach are making. I'll save it till we
get to it. But dude, he's right. I mean he's right,
he's right. Like he's right. We haven't seen a real
nasty rivalry, and you know again, I'm sure part of

(13:09):
it is manufactured. We saw them on stage at away
in recently, right, kind of you know, wapping up, and
of course there was no need for animosity that wasn't
about either of them, and so they were actually.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Kfeb only guys, come on, please please.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Well, I mean, I don't mind if they're not. You know,
there's enough historical beef between Do you remember the time
that they had to be separated, back when Tuporia was
like a featherweight and yeah, like so and and and honestly,
Patty is saying, like there's an old tweet of him
saying he understands why the Georgians were I don't know
conquered or colonized was the word, but essentially taken over

(13:45):
by the Russians. You know that can't that that probably
is not going to serve his interest. I'm just pointing
out to say, I'm not trying to mine, you know,
extraordinary grief and terrible situations. But if we're just asking, like,
you know what, the fight game prefers a guy in
his twenties with a big mouth, who's on a nice
one streak, definitely a nice one streak, and has history
with the guy to champ and the champ. You know,

(14:05):
let's be honest, as I said, I think all of
us agree. You know, Illy is either number one, number
two pounds per pound, Like there's really not much of a
question anymore about his ability, but there is there are
some you know, lagging audiences to come around or at
a bare minimum, just a lot of people who don't
know who he is. Yet a fight with Patty could
do a lot to raise the profile. I gotta tell you,

(14:26):
I think Patty's case. I'm not saying it's the best
one BC, but there's definitely a lot of good logic
to it, and I don't really think that's very debatable.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, first and foremost from the standpoint of pro
wrestling style matchmaking, and which you know if some people
criticize a lot, but it's like I always have to
remind you, UFC was built upon pro wrestling style matchmaking.
The very best combat sports promotion is often pro wrestling style,
and we had that when they allowed them to go
face to face. Even if that pissed off Dana White,

(14:56):
it gives you, It gives you some feels, it builds
upon things to come. So there's certainly a lot of
heat there which would make this make very much sense.
So that was of course those comments shots fired brought
to you by Quervo and Luke. Before we get deeper
on Patty here, just a reminder to folks that UFC
three eighteen is right around the corner Saturday, July nineteenth,

(15:18):
and we will of course be having a pregame preview
ahead of the UFC three eighteen. What was the date
we circled on the calendar for that? Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
It was the Wednesday before? So I don't remember the.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, So that is uh sixteen sixteen, That is Wednesday,
July sixteenth, Your normal Friday episode will come on that Wednesday.
Pregame preview three eighteen, brought to you by Quervo and
Luke our special guest as a third man. They've seen
him before, they've smelled him coming. Yeah, we're talking about
Jed Meshu, the second of MMA Fighting, So let's that

(15:49):
and go.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Okay, listening to if I ever if I end up
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Speaker 1 (16:05):
He not afraid to get after that tequila during the show.
All right, let's get back to Patty. You mentioned there's
some talk here from him from his coach about different
things that'll further explain why he could be a really
good choice, not just marketing wise and promotion wise, but
inside the cage. First, we have Patty on Olavera's game
plan in why it went wrong this past weekend at

(16:28):
UFC three seventeen.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
I really like Charles, but what the fuck was that
game plan? I mean, stand in front of him and
get punched in the face face twenty seconds he did
a little bit cheap them, like kick was thinking, oh,
we could beat him for a tough night for the party,
and then Charles got it once and just started swinging
with him. But when he was walking outside the hands
of game and say, he looked nervous. Yeah, and when
he had walked out he was just smiling. I don't

(16:51):
know what, As I said, I'd love to know what
that game plan was, because that was just like it
was half in Pattison, What are you doing just standing
in the middle and swinging punches with when he's a
top class box, suddenly he's got power. It's just it
blew my mind. I love stupid. This is full as
he's seventh pro fight. Yeah, and he was going in
nail a kilamatea.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Looke. That's an interesting comment because on one hand, he
had successfully with that pressure style. On that same hand,
this is what he does. This is what he's known for.
Did we say coming in that he can't be as
reckless as normal, not against this opponent. Yeah we did.
He ultimately found it out. But do you think that
some of the things that transpired, particularly that reversal from

(17:34):
Elia to get top position when he had already opened
the cut on Charles Olivera and he's landing that top game,
that can certainly change your strategy in the midst of battle.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, no question about it. I mean to me, I
think two things about Patty's comments about Charles. On the
one hand, there's part of what he's saying is correct
that the way in which he fought probably ushered his
demise a little bit quicker than other ways to do it.
But the problem with that argument is that that's just

(18:04):
not the way Charles fights. Like Charles fights a certain way,
and that yields certain results, and it positively, and it
yields certain results negatively, depending on the context or the opponent.
More often than not, it yields obviously stunning results. But
against a guy like this, it's just not going to go.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
That's not to say there couldn't be a couple of
things he could have done differently, but you know, it's
one of those things where like I remember Connor after
icing Jose Aldo. Do you remember what he said? He
was like, listen, you know people are going to say that, like, oh,
I beat him so quickly, and you know what would
happened if he had not been knocked out, would survived
and kept going. He's like, he wouldn't have been able
to take the shots, like eventually he would have just

(18:41):
gone down. And you know, whether that's true or not.
Against Connor and Aldo, it was a reasonable thing to think,
and it's a reasonable thing to say. That's kind of
what I would have said here too. Yeah, Charles could
have fought a little bit longer range, he could have,
you know, done things to preserve how long that fight goes.
But the inevitability was going to happen one way or
the other. That's just one thing I just don't think
these people fully appreciate. Secondly, what I'm gonna say is

(19:03):
about Patty. The one thing I do think is actually
pretty interesting, and I know we have audio from his
coach to this effect. One thing that I think is
really gonna help Patty is a lot of the things
that Patty does well are things that Charles could also
do well. Not to say that their games are the same,
I'm just saying, good at the back, good at the back,
some decent leg kicking, some decent leg kicking. Right. There

(19:23):
are some things in a height advantage, heigh advantage, right,
reach and reach. There's a couple of things you can
look at and be like, I can definitely learn them.
Looking at Charles and being like, Okay, that's not the
way to fight Patty, that's not the way to fight Ilia,
I actually think will help them. You can argue that
they're being too dismissive of Charles, and I think that
in many ways that they are. On the other hand,

(19:45):
having watched what happened to Charles and understanding some things
that they're going to want to do, looking at this
and coming up with a game plan that allows them
to have more longevity. I think may make the fight
go a little bit longer than some expect, because I
know Ilia thinks, oh, I'm just gonna go in there
and touch and he's gonna explode and that's all it's
gonna be. And I have a feeling that Patty is
going to be a little bit crafty about it. Another

(20:06):
reason PC that actually feel like his case is kind
of interesting. You had a guy who fights the way
he likes to fight, or again, does certain things he
likes to do, and made a bunch of fought in
a way that you know, didn't likely get a chance
to showcase a lot of it. They're gonna learn from that,
they're gonna adapt.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, I mean in some ways he's right. Charles squared
up against you know, at close range against Iporia, got
his jet, he got his guard split with a heavy
jab that stung him and then that set up that
beautiful two punch combination that got him out of there.
But unfortunately Charles kind of does that too with everybody.
Because he creates his own chaos, he normally thrives within it.

(20:42):
This was just the wrong technician to do that against
who can get you out of there. Look, before we
hear from the coach of Patty here, I just wanted
to ask you, who do you think I think this
is a viable topic because there are a lot of
people on Twitter going, damn, look at the path of
destruction Ilia just had, and then look at the fact
that Josh Emmett lasted twenty five minutes with him, and

(21:02):
then you got other people going, yeah, there's It's one
thing to last twenty five minutes. It's another thing to
have success against him, which Emmett really didn't. Who do
you think had the best success against Elio to Poria
in the UFC up to this point? Is it is
it wrong to say Max Holloway until that fight ended.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I mean you could say Ji Herbert Jai Herbert rocked him.
You could say use of zilaal because to Poria had
to chase down takedowns and you know, had to go
the full distance in order for that fight to go
the way it went. You could argue Max because Max landed.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's weird. Ilia says vulk was his hardest fight.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Well, he did lose the first round on all three
judges scorecards against Vulcan. Wasn't some route or something but yes,
vulcan is Folk's very good.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I mean, right, but it's more elusive technicol. But like
Max was standing in there and land in some serious stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Max, Max got a great job, which we all knew.
You know, Max touched him up, like look at look
at the look at his face, dude. There's a video
of to Poria at home with his daughter yesterday. It's
a very wholesome video. But the one time I make
is you look at his face. You would never have
known he was in an MMA fight a few days ago,
whereas after that fight with Max, he was. He was
banged up a little bit for sure. So the answer
is like, you know who did the best against Ilia?

(22:14):
It's like I don't know who, Like who survived the
most against a destructive hurricane like mammots for nobody.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Josh survived the most, right.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
He survived the most, But that's a fifty scorecard.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Right right, I don't know. It's like, so you you
know he got the extra ct for no reason on there,
but I understand it. Let's hear from Patty's calle. What
is Patty's coach's name? In this case?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I forget I'd have to look it up.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm all right, let's hear from some guy who represents Patty.
All right, let's go.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
If we were offered the two fights of Ilia and Kabib,
I would be more.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Worried about the Kabib fight than the Ilia fights.

Speaker 8 (22:48):
If he were guys were getting ready for Islam, for example,
rather than getting ready for Ili, I'm studdy, yeah, yeah,
he'd be more consent for Islam.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
I'd be more consent for the Islam fight. To be
honest with you, you know what I mean. Islam for
me is the the guy in the division and defeat
guy in the division.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
Can you can you sort of shed some light?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Why is that?

Speaker 8 (23:09):
What is it about Islam that sort of you believe
makes him a hot A challenge.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Is experience? Is experience in the divisions? To be honest
with your fighting a lot more lightweights, I would say.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
He is.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
Undeniably the best, the best lightweights in the world Islam Luke.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
That was coach Paul Rimmer and he was on of
course Submission radio with our great friend, the Ukrainian Australian
behemoth known as Dennis. What's his last name, Luke.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I can't pronounce it. It's Ukrainian actually, I'm not sure
how to announce it.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
There you go, There you go, Luke, what do you
make of what they're saying here, that they'd be more
nervous going in there against Mahachev than they would to
pour you.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
It's not like that's an unfair thing to say if
you wanted to make the case that you still believe
that Iliya is not as good as Islam, or that
Islam presents potentially a wider array of threats, particularly in
the kind that you know, whatever vulnerabilities they have to
an extent that at Islam uniquely matches up with that?
Is that some crime to say? I don't think it's
a crime to say, but b C. Hearing these guys

(24:12):
talk and how dismissive they are over Ilia, Like, are
we thinking that he just beat Vulk, Max and Charles
because he got lucky three times in a row, or
not in the same way he got lucky, but that
you know, oh you got him, you got you got
you got Vulk off of Islam, you got Max at

(24:34):
you know, whatever stage of his career he's at, and
you got Charles in a similar kind of way. I'm
not that guy. Okay, you're in your twenties or whatever.
He pretty close to it. I mean, I get that
that's different, but like they're just they're just vastly underestimating him.
And I gotta say I another reason I want to
see this fight. I desperately want to see it because
I think if you, if you go into a fight

(24:55):
with Ilia Tuporia with this kind of attitude, it's gonna
go super fucking bad for you.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
So I would agree with you on that. What do
you make of the people who are very quick Okay,
if I was gonna say very quick to dismiss Patty's chances, Look,
everybody's gonna dismiss Patty's chances. We're almost all going to
expect that he will get finished here. But it's can
obviously be up to him to overachieve not only not
get finished, but you know, win the fight. But when

(25:21):
we start looking at Jared Gordon highlights of that fight
that Patty should have lost the decision and he was
getting lit up, is it as easy to say that
was the old him? And if you look at the
more recent run the Bobby King or sorry the King
Green Finish the destruction of Chandler, that that's really who
he has evolved into.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well, I saw Jack Slack refer to him as the
British Buckley, where he's just on an unk defeating tour,
and then he went up against someone who's still kind
of an unk, but maybe had a little bit more
than we thought. We've been over this against usman, and
he was left wanting you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Like, yeah, the losing streak of the last three opponents
Patty beat is not inspiring when you add them together.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, but then again, but then again, this is the
point I made in Defensive Patty, because I do think
there's just there's just no way to look at that
and think he hasn't gotten better. He clearly has gotten better,
very good as a matter of fact. But the other
part I would say is the way in which he
dispatched them. I mean, I think we have a clip
here where they talk about, you know, they saw how
Charles Olivera thought Michael Chandler and some of the things

(26:22):
he did right, but some of the things he did wrong,
and they wanted to fix those things, and they thought
that their performance against him was evidence of that. Like
they this is what I mean about watching Charles and
seeing like, oh kind of again, they don't. You can't
look at Charles look at Patty and think same fighter.
You wouldn't do that. But there's enough overlap between their
game where I could see why the coaches would want
to look at Charles, what went right, what went wrong,

(26:44):
and what they could pick up from that and then
make the adjustments. And then we all saw what happened
with Patty versus Chandler. Dude, Chandler. That was the first
time in my life wherever it was like dude, he
looks old, like Patty made him look old.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
So Patty also looked a different level of confident, domin nasty.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
In a sense, you know, one hundred percent. I'm just
saying what I think is interesting about Patty and his
team is that they are underestimating to Pooria. But I
also think it is true that people are still underestimating
Patty and how smart and his team are, And to me,
that makes this whole thing kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Actually, all right, I don't think we have that video
you reference, by the way, it's not in the not
in the rundown. But I want to ask you as
we close up the talk on Patty. In this discussion
of the three big candidate names, and I'm not saying
four because I got enough dms from people that love
me and the show saying stop bringing up Connor McGregor's name.
We freaking hate that. That that absolute loser and handler Luke,

(27:42):
And maybe today's update on his news will confirm that.
I want to ask you this question. Do you think
Patty would have the worst odds of the three against Iporia?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Okay, so the choices are Gechee, so are you again?
And Patty? Who'd have the worst? No, I think Gechie
would have the worst?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Okay, Okay, that is issue.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think I think Saryukian would have the best relatively speaking,
obviously right, Patty would be kind of in the middle,
and then I think you would be Gaiche's path to
victory is slim, Patty's is real.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, all right, well let's go over to Armand Sarukian,
who had his opportunity for the title against Islam Maacheve
pulled out, of course just before uh we we were
told it was an illness. We wondered if it was
related to the weight miss. Then you had Dana White
saying it was just a weight miss and really sounding
still angry at Armand Sarukian for missing his moment, and

(28:35):
then he had Armine going on Ariel yesterday and being like, nah,
it wasn't a weight miss. It was more of the former.
But look, if you're ill trying to cut weight and
you can't finish the job, then that is a weight miss. Right.
It's just sort of.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I mean that like a weight miss. I feel like
a weight miss can be okay, so it is a
little bit of a I'm actually glad you brought this
up because I do think it's an interesting debate. The
clearest example of a weight miss is if I get
on the scale and I'm five pounds over right, that's
a miss. That's a clear miss. Everyone would agree. I
think most people would also agree BC. For example, the

(29:11):
last time I was well when I tried to cover
I think the second attempt at making Habib versus Tony.
This was on the card where two oh seven, two
oh nine something like that, where Woodley fought wonder Boy.
This is yeah, yeah, so Habib had a terrible weightcut
and couldn't even make it to the weigh ins. I

(29:33):
would also consider that a weight miss.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Just like, by the way, the same thing happened in
newness in the in the initial offering of the chef
Chenko rematch, which then Dana said she'll never make an
event again because she couldn't make that.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I thought that was sinus sidis.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I thought it was an illness related to the weight cut.
I guess we'll have to go back and look.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Well, that could be related, but I know in the
end she was diagnosed with sinusidis, which is it can
fuck you up. But the one of time to make
is but is it a weight miss? If yes, you
don't make it to the weigh ins. But I'm gonna
I'm going to I'm going to propose something because you
rolled your ankle, or you tweaked your back, or you
hurt your neck, is that a weight miss? To me,

(30:12):
that doesn't meet the spirit of it. The spirit of
it should be you didn't have your ducks in a
row as it relates to the weight cut, not an
injury prevented you from actually doing the weightcut or proceeding
with the bout itself. To me, those are different.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
But once again, Daniel Cormier almost pulled out of UFC
two thirty after he sneezed too hard and pulled out
his back in New York, and don't forget the first
steepe fight when he tripped getting up off of the
dais from the press conference. But speaking of the Great DC,
he spoke with Arman Sarayuki, and so let's get into
this on who Arman wants next in uh spoiler alert,

(30:50):
I bet you can guess.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
I'm gonna strike him. I'm gonna keep him. I wish fired,
and he was arrested on a lot, but he got
tired so much and he never thought his restlers like me.
Bruce Mitchell, what's his name, Bruce Mitchell, Bryce Mitchell, Bryce Mitchell.
He's the worst fighter in one forty five. He took
him down and hold him from the trainy position. And

(31:14):
I can't tell he's not high level. I mean it's
not double dou wh I can't wait to show.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Like everybody you said, Bryce Mitchell is the worst fighter
at one.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
I mean no, I mean he's a I mean did
you watch his fights?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Did I watched the fight?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
His kicks like he thinks he's kicking the ball. I
think like soccer, like soccer.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, you're crazy armored.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
I'll send Tapua back to top fifteen pounds for me,
it's easy to fight, to put it than all we were,
and then you can like just go like thousand times
to take him down because he's not going to try
to chuck you or something.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Well, that Bryce Mitchell fight that you were speaking about,
he won that fight by submission armor.

Speaker 9 (31:57):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Bruce Mitchell also said afterwards that he was going to
retire Luke because of the beating he took in that fight.
So what do you make of a few things? One
arman sort of weird deadpan robot voice too. It looks
like one of his eyes is loose and turned four.
I don't want to go full on Tevin Farmer with this,
but anyway, I take that back. What'd you make of that? Luke?

Speaker 5 (32:25):
All Right?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I thought we had fun on this show. I didn't
realize things got serious. I mean, I could do the
Kai Car Friends a bit to ice breaking if you want.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
All right, Wow, I didn't know we were going there
with the notorious big jokes. Okay, all right, here's the
difference for me. Obviously. The case for Patty is that
it would be funner, it would be like drama involved,
and that Patty could surprise you, and that Patty might
in fact, surprise you, right, that's the case. That's why

(32:54):
you do that fight. The Saryukian fight, to me, has
a very different case because there's really not much manufacture
beef between them, and obviously Arman is working outside of
his first language. It's just going to be very difficult
for him. However, what he has going for him is
that the meritocratic case, not that he has earned it,
although you could make that case too, but that the
threat he poses is the realist threat. And honestly, I

(33:16):
don't even know how you could argue with that. There
are limits to Armand's game. We've seen them, but till
Pooria against a guy who is going to be naturally
bigger than him, maybe naturally stronger, although that really remains
to be seen, but certainly can wrestle him for long
periods of time, whose game is limited, but relentless in
that regard, that's the difference. It's unrelenting wrestling pressure. Did

(33:41):
I've just not seen to Poria have to answer to
somebody like that Vulk and Master great Strikers. Charles is
well rounded, but obviously wrestling is not the number one
thing that he does. This is a new, different, real
kind of threat. So for that reason, this fight to
me is also perfectly acceptable for iliot to Poria in
its first title defense.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Dude, it's the one I would, It's the one I
want from a competition, and obviously a meritocratic I think
got nailed that. I also, by the way, have uneven eyes, Luke,
So maybe i'm you know, maybe.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I was about to say eggshan when you eat. I've
seen what happens to your eye.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I mean, so maybe you know, maybe Jandroroba and I
are allowed to make those type of jokes, Luke, right
to be honest, right, you know what I'm saying. It's
sort of like you can't make fun of my family,
but I can. All right, anyway back to this, look,
if you're trying to Bill, if you're trying to take
the quickest path to make to Poria literally a household name,
and I have to wonder, Luke. I think a lot

(34:40):
of us have the same story. Since Ilia won the
title this past weekend, there's been people coming out of
the woodwork talking about them that you never expected. My
kids came home from school and we're like, yeah, we're
talking to our best friend, and they wanted me to
ask you what you thought of that to Poria knockout.
I'm like, Okay, that's cool. That's cool. I mean, it's
it's certainly he was a giant moment. If you want

(35:02):
to double down on that, you make the Patty fight.
But the best matchup of this three is undoubtedly Sarrukian.
He's also the most deserving. I'd love to see what
that physicality in this division, what type of challenge that
is for Ilia, because we still don't really know his
power carried up, his skill and delivery did, but what

(35:23):
about the physicality. What about when he's in there with
somebody who could potentially manhandle him. I'd love to see this, look,
I really would.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I love this fight. I would be more I'd be
equally hyped for either fight, but I'd be more worried
about the Saryukia fight because of what the real threat
that he poses. But the Patty fight, as I mentioned,
just has jubilation or not jubilation, I should say, But
you know what makes the drama that makes the fight

(35:53):
game fun just written all over it. So the question
you have to ask yourself is which way is the
UFC going to go? They've kind of they it's weird,
right we see, Oh Gatesche says he might retire. Dan
is like, well, then you might want to retire. So
that's that one.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
John Jones said he might retire, Habem said he might
retire Dan. It's like I didn't mean it for those two.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Okay, yeah, yeah, fuck those guys. It's different. But then okay,
so so they're like dismissing him. Then so are Uki
like fills in for you know, to be the backup
and cuts weight and makes it just fine. And Danny's like, yeah,
he's got he's got some work to do to get
back up. You're like, all right, he's out, So they
must be Patty. Then they bring Patty in the cage
and Dan's like, I don't know who approved this? Well
then who the fuck is it? Like, I mean, if
it's not no, you already said you're not gonna make

(36:34):
the Islam fight.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So like, well that's that lady. This lady on the
Post Fight pod UFC podcast seem to really be pushing
Justin Gaischee.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
So, Luke, why don't do you think that she got
marching orders for that?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I wonder, I wonder. I don't know if it was
direct marching orders like go push that into the baby.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Suggest it.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, but I'm gonna guess it was suggested before. But
before we get into Geechee and his uh, his chances here,
we do have one more clip from Starry you Can
that's very topical. In fact, it's on how he would
fight Ilia. I want to see this, let's go.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I'm just can't wait to go there and to show
like who is the Romanserukian and why I'm number one
contender and that day I'm gonna be a world champion.
So it's not just wrestling, it's a it's a I'm
a world rounded fire and I'm not gonna just try
to wrestle him. I'm gonna strike him. I'm gonna kick him.

(37:27):
I'm gonna up kick him and you know, and like
try to do but yeah, I'm not gonna try to
box him. I'm gonna try to do like a real
MMA fight to show him wrestling, to punch him, to
punch him wrestling, to show him wrestling, to kick him,
you know, and like clinch work.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, I'd like to see some clinch work. I'd like
to see that physicality and that lady in question. I'm
told is Mackenzie Pavovich, the recent higher for the UFC.
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Can I give you a bit of absolutely small time
but very cool breaking news.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Is this about Molly Meet Paul signing with metrom Boxing?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
No, no, no, no, I just got a I told
my wife to stop texting me during the show, but
she texted me yes, and she showed me video proof
for the first time in her life. Big Tuky rode
a bicycle, no training wheels. Everybody, Big Tuky, no training wheels?
How about how yes? So freaking proud of her. There
we go, Sorry about that. I just had to say

(38:28):
something there.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Big moment, big moment there, Tukes, well done, appreciate that.
What what age is she has? She about six dollars?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
She was afrase. I fucked it up because I got
her one of the glide bikes or the where the
low center of gravity but no pedals, And then I
stupidly in her next bike, I got one with training wheel,
which just put her all the way back. So we
had to undo the bad habits. But we did it.
We got it. She's there.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Indeed, indeed, all right, that closed it off. That'sorr Yuki
inside of it. Luke I know that Justin Gatchee is
the fighter of the three we would probably least want.
But can you put on your hat and make an
argument for him? What is the argument for him? Do
you think his legendary name alone and the fact that

(39:08):
he did headkick Poorier in a BMF title win and
he beat PHYSIV twice in recent memory, is that enough
to be in this discussion to possibly even be getting
the title shot.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I think there's a few things you could say. I
would say first, if you wanted to, you could argue,
this guy doesn't have much time left. You know, obviously
if Taporia beats him, that's still going to be good
for building up to Poria, so you know, you still
have a way of transferring star power, legitimacy, you know,
something from the old Guard to the New Guard, even
though obviously to Poria is now you know, poun number

(39:43):
one according to the USC rankings, but still there is
a transference that would happen. Also, it would not be
a bad fight, like it's just hard to imagine. Geche
doesn't have bad fights, right And to Poria, I guess
you could say with some of his earlier ones weren't
super awesome, but for the most part. He doesn't have
bad fights either, so that you could you could you
could rely on that. And also there's some danger to Taporia.

(40:03):
We know Gechie is a devastating striker, a big puncher.
You know you would have to take that seriously. But
it's just hard to make the case that you could
really convince someone that the guy that Max Holloway put
face down, and you know from from forty five like that,
that Taporia couldn't get past him. It just feels, I mean,
you're playing mma math. I understand that, but it's just
something you're gonna have to from a perception standpoint overcome. Also,

(40:27):
the other problem is if you give Gaichi the title shot,
I mean, to Porio could win it, but maybe you know,
get injured and now he's out for a little while,
and so what do you do with Saryuki and what
do you do with Pimblet Like giving one of them
a title shot kind of keeps the cue moving in
the healthiest on the way possible. Because even like Geichi,

(40:48):
how much time is he is Gateche going to be
in the sport as a competitor in twenty twenty seven.
I'm not even sure if he's gonna be in there
in twenty twenty six, much less twenty twenty seven. So
you know, giving the other guys a title shot, you know,
puts puts you know, the local motive into into into action.
You can make a case for it. It's just not a
very good one. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
The best choice for the sport might be Patty, the
best choice for meritocracy and the answers we need of toporia.
In this way, class is armane and if it was
armand by the way, I think Patty versus gae Chee
is the perfect fight to set Patty up to earn
to you know, earn it a little bit more right,
to really beat another big time name who still brings danger.

(41:28):
Yet it is another uk uk uk uk uk unk
all right, it is. I used to call my uncle
Mike unk. You know, we're French Canadian looks, so we're
a little bit different. But here we go with that,
uh luke, who's your who's your personal choice? And ultimately,
which direction do you believe the UFC is going.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
I'm gonna say my personal choices, so you can I
think that if you do that, then the Patty fight
becomes even bigger. But I think that they might end
up just going with Patty because that one is promotionally
the one that he I mean, just follow the money,
which you.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Can't guarantee his brand will be this big again, especially
if you lose this.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Next one totally totally, whereas are you can It's not like,
how do I say this? I mean he's lost before
you know what I mean, and so is Patty, but
not in the UFC obviously, so you know it's a
little bit different. But I think I think they'll probably
just follow the money. The money is the Patty fight
is going to be much much bigger.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, would you be upset if they brought in soren
Bach and forced Patty to run that one back to
get the title shot?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Luke soren Bach belator legends soren Bach, I believe Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Uh Also, Luke, I wanted to ask you this, the
fight we all seem or me, I won't speak for
we all, The fight me all wants the most is
Ilia versus Islam. What do you believe is the quickest, slash,
most realistic way to get there? If that's what you really.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Want as a fan, say that again, how do we.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Get to Elia Islam? What's the fastest one to realistically
get there.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
He's got to beat one other. Let's say he goes okay,
So let's say they make the sar yuki in fight, right,
and let's say Ilia goes in there and just wrecks
him inside three minutes, knocks him out cold, something like
he did to Charles. Right at that point, you're like,
I mean, here's the reality. There is a world where
Toporia could beat sarayuki in so thoroughly that you're like,

(43:25):
I'm not even sure what the point of the Patty
matchup is anymore point, you know what I mean, Because
you're like, if he can't get him down, or if
he can get him down but barely hold him down
and then he gets viciously KO'ed, you'd be like, well,
I don't know if Patty can do that, you know
what I mean. Like, Whereas if you go Patty first
Saryuki and still has a little bit of life on
the other end, So that's not what you're asking You're
asking him about it to making attractive to Islam. I

(43:46):
think that would do it. If he goes in there
and just absolutely destroys Sarayuki, And you're like, well, who
the fuck else could you even fathom that could be
enough of a threat to take the song. The only
answer at that point would be Islam Makachev.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
The only issue with that. And by the way, on
the flip side, let's say he beat Sara Yuki in
but had some trouble, was on his was on his
back at times. I wonder if that makes the Patty
fight even bigger, because it would be thought that it
would be more competitive. But let's say Ilia keeps being Ilia.
The only issue with that, Luke is if Islam wins
the championship against DDP, something that could come in November

(44:22):
somethink October and Abu Dhabi. Either way, it's gonna happen next.
This division is so damn bottlenecked at the top that
how would the hell would you tell shavka Ian, Gary,
Sean Brady all these guys. So here's the deal, guys.
You gotta wait for Islam to fight for the belt,
and then you're gonna have to wait for Ilia to
fight him, and then one of you will get the
title shot.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah, I mean you can do that. I just don't know. Yeah,
I don't know. I I this is the problem is
there's a problem on your hands because you've got all
of a sudden See before you had just moved at seventy,
but now you've got movement at seventy and fifty five,

(45:04):
and it's like, well, we finally have movement in both
of these divisions, especially fifty five. Let's keep that movement going.
But that doesn't create for actually, what is the most
interesting fight that the sport can make? So I don't know,
I don't know what they're gonna do, but you know,
UFC is this is the thing, dude. UFC is very
very good about delivering the fights generally. I mean, if

(45:25):
you look at the history of the things, that is true,
and they're especially good at delivering the A minus fights.
Their record is mixed on delivering the A plus ones.
We obviously got Connor Habibe. That's an A plus one.
You know, we've got you know, some other Champ Champ
fights BJ and George San Pierto's I considered it an
A plus one. But we've already been down the list
of all the A plus ones that we missed too.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Folk versus Islam, don't forget was a was it?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Like?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, well the second one was not the second one,
the first one grew together. First one definitely, first one definitely.
So again, I'm not saying that they don't do that.
I'm saying the record, once they get to that top top, top,
top tier, it's a little more mixed up there. For
that reason, I'm a little bit skeptical that it happens,
even under various hair brain schemes to produce it.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, dicey, dicey, a lot of hair brain schemes out
there this day. Luke Let's transition to topic number two.
If we can't get Ilia versus Islam against one another
in the cage right now, we can get them once
and against one another in a pound for pound rankings debate.
And in the current UFC pound for pound top ten,
Ilia Taporia moved into the top spot, passing Islam Majev.

(46:30):
But Islam, if he defeats Jack Dela Madalna in a
few months, for all we know, he could move right
back into that top spot. You can also make the
argument that Islam should still be there right now given
the win streak that he's on, oh, by the way,
fifteen consecutive wins in the UFC, and if Islam would
defeat Jack Dela Mattlena. He not only would become the

(46:53):
eleventh two division champion, he would tie Anderson Silva's record
for consecutive victories within the UFC at sixteen, which is
not nothing right now, that is a hell hell of
a run that he's on. So Luke, you, myself, and
the one known as Long Island Luke, we have all
updated our top five. In fact, my top ten you
could read right now on cbsports dot com.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
How do you reorder your top five pound four pound? Officially?
After UFC three seventeen.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
So actually, for the first time in a long time,
I went through and I had to like think about it,
make a list, figure out what my reasoning was, and
I came to a list. Now, as everybody knows, I
mean BC, would you not agree that, like anybody in
the top four has a claim to one, I'm not

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saying that all their claims are as good as the
other one. You don't think, so you don't think Tojo
what he's doing is like that is in a world
where a transcendent star like a Suporia doesn't exist, what
Pantoja is doing is typically good enough for four fucking
title defense. That's historic no, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
So he's great. He deserves you know, he's pushing for
number two. He deserves high level thing here, I'll say
two and a half people have a chance. I'll say
it's between Ilia and Islam. Is there a hipster argument
for Marob based upon the high level of names that
he's not only defeated but largely handled on his own terms.
I think there's a hipster chance for him. I don't

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think there's a straight up chance for anybody else.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
What that's yeah, I mean, I guess I'm making the
argument that, like in ordinary ish times, what Pantojia is
doing is extraordinary, but we've got two guys at the
top who are doing extraordinary stuff. Okay, so that kind
of changes the equation, all right, So number five for
me was fairly straightforward. I've got Driggs Duplessy. Let me

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just run through it if I can be seen. So
I've got Driggs dupless sitting at five. I think the
way in which the rest of the top ten kind
of go. He's clearly better than six to ten in
my judgment, but he's definitely not better than one to four.
So it naturally puts him at five. I'm going to
put a heavy emphasis on what they've done in the
last two years or so. I think we're talking about

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pound for pound. The full record matters, but the last
two ish years tends to be the most relevant, and
obviously the last year would be the most most relevant. Okay,
all right, so that's number five, number four, you can
see it again. I struggled with this one. I did
not know whether to put Morob or Aleschandre Pantoja at four,
but I decided on Pantoja for this reason. If you

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look at the last couple of years that Morob has fought,
it's nothing but former champions, nothing but those and the
Josie Alda fight was not super impressive in the sense
that he couldn't get Aldo down, but although didn't do
shit to him also, and then after that it just
keeps going with former champions and various Hall of famers
or in certain cases, you know, double champions, the guys

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who Umar is obviously the exception, but the guys who
he's had to beat and then getting better against O'Malley
in shore order, even after Amalley's able to get right.
This is this is when you're beginning to double up.
And lap the competition and you're facing almost nothing but
top former champions. I had to rank him as number three,
but Pantoja certainly sits at number four, just just behind that. Okay,

(50:17):
obviously I'll one more and one more note if I may,
Pantoja struggled against Steve Erseg, which to me is like
that's a guy like if Kayasa Kora is the equivalent.
You saw what Pantoja did to him. He just you know,
he kind of ran him over a little bit.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Kai car France. You mean ran over Steve ver Sig.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, So what did I say, Kayasakura? So I'm talking
about Pantoja beating kay Asakura?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Oh okay, I thought you were talking about the fact
that Steve Verseig then lost to Kai kr France my
first run.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
So he did. But I guess I'm trying to point
out that, like there is a little bit of fat
in the last two years on that resume, a little bit.
I mean, we're we're splitting here, sir, all right, and
this is where the central debate comes down. How do
you pick this one? Islam's wreck of achievement is obviously longer.
Islam's record of achievement is in many ways because of

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that more decorated. But if we're treating pound for pound
like a stock market, and we're asking not just who
is rising, but obviously what they've done to a build
capital accumulation here, the fact that you have Taporia going
up in weight and icing the guy, to me, is
the difference maker here. That to me, is a much

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more difficult achievement, all things being equal, than beating a
very good guy like that of equivalent ability in your
own weight class. Now, BC, if Islam goes out there
and beats Jack Dayla, then we're gonna have to flip
these because at that point, because at that point they'll
both have the higher weight achievement, and then the longer
record of achievement for Islam is going to take over.

(51:50):
That's how I came to it. Let me know what you.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Think my top five. I was shocked it was. It's
exactly the friggin same, And I think you nailed the
debate between one and two right now, it's really fricking
hard to deal with the last three fights to to
Boria had and compare them to anyone else on this list.
From the fact that he absolutely mutilated these guys, two
of them, we'll ranked pound for pound at the time

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top ten, and you add in that he moved up
in wait, it's really hard to beat the run that
Islam is on. But you had the replacement fight with Mikano,
you had, you know, certain things happen there that weren't
his fault. But yes, if he does the same thing
and goes up another weight class, Tiza Anderson Sill's record there,
we're looking at that same thing. I found that very interesting, though, Luke,

(52:34):
that we were aligned on there were rarely ever aligned
on anything.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Well sometimes sometimes BC great minds think alike.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Well, let's see if they're third mind here thinks exactly alike.
Or he can make a case in another direction. Let's
bring in Luke Nosita, who's you know, lucky to be
here because of how horned up his dad was that
time from Australia. But Luke, how do you order your
top five? Uh?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I just swapped the top two other than you, guys,
I got Islam number one. Man, I think people buying
into this recency bias too much with Ilia.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Sure he did go up and wait, as Luke was saying,
but BC, you.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Mentioned that fifteen fight win streak, in the UFC, not
to mention eight of his last nine by finish the
outlier there was the first Vulcan fight. He finished him
the second time around, so pretty much finishing everyone he's
fighting in his last eight fights or whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
You don't against him that poorer made it interesting? Is
that factor into the decision at all?

Speaker 3 (53:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I don't, because he ended up finishing Poorier anyway, also
Poorier former interim champion, Vulcan, former pound for pound number
one and.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Two time champions down a weight class.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
It doesn't matter Oliver Era.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Actually, actually that's exactly what mappened.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
He beat arm as well, you know, and you know
we were gonna get into it earlier. But like armand
Ilia kind of like Arman in that fight, just saying, whoa,
that's funny.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Do you see? Do you see why I have to
hold to Poria's ball sack?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Every shut out shout out to Morob number three pound
for pound but number one.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
You see what I have to hold? You have to
have to hold like like like Atlas carrying the earth.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I'm gonna ask you, Luke Thomas, there are people in
our in our MK universe who believe that you and
Long Island Luke, are at odds right now? At odds
and life right now? Yeah, they are. They came into
my live chat, you know what I mean. They're like,
what's going on here, Luke?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Are we at odds? Are we? Are we fighting over?
Are we fighting over use of the name?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
No, we got we got heavy beef. It's not over
the name, but we got beef.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
All right.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
It's related to how don't let me catch you outside?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah? Yeah, how about it? Interesting stuff right there. It
is a worthy debate right now. If they fought right
now at one fifty five, they're not going to do it.
Who would be favored Ilia in Islam? Now?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Who would the that's a question for Long Island Luke,
Long Island Luke. If they fought at fifty five, so
you gotta take the weight cut into account. And let's
say it's in Las Vegas fight, so you know, neutral
Ish territory. Basically, give me the odds on that one.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I think it'd be a pick them straight one fifteen
minus one oh five something like that.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
But I would I would take Islam in that fight.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I would. I would bet that it would close with
illly as a slight underdog, slight underdog I can see that.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
What do you make of to close this pound for
pound debate? Saturday? Last Saturday night, they asked Dana number
one and he said John Jones. Looking said John Jones
did not BC.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Did your computer just glitch out?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I saw it blinking, but my eyes were also blinking.
I got this lazy eye. Luke, so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Are you telling me that? Dana White said, John Jones
still deserves to be pound pound number one?

Speaker 6 (55:43):
Dies?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I hear that correctly? Is that mma sentel? Are you
getting sentel?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
No? No, you could argue he was trying to make
some dry humor because they were like, who do you pick?
And he's like, who do you guys pick? It's up
to you. Who do you guys pick? He goes, you
know who I'm gonna pick. I'm picking John Jones.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Can you imagine? It's like, who's the record of achievement?
You beat Steve A. Miochich after a five year He's
got to be sick.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
He's got to be carrying out.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
This right stick yeah, or maybe he.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Just hasn't been following the sport lately, Luke. He's a
busy guy. Just heads up on this right, all right,
let's transition into the topic number three on this Thursday,
ahead of the holiday weekend and after his ten round
unanimous decision victory over Julio says Our Shavez Junior on Saturday.
Cruiserweight Jake Paul is now a ranked cruiserweight yes the

(56:31):
World Boxing Association the WBA, for the record, the most
heinous of the four sanctioning bodies, excuse me, known for
putting out as many as many as three to four
recognized titles per weight class in a single division, which
is insane. So you know what you're dealing with here,

(56:52):
But the WBA has issued a number fourteen ranking in
the world for cruiserweight for Jake Paul. Wow Luke. Now, look,
cruiserweight historically not a deep division, Cruiserweight historically populated by Europeans. Right,

(57:13):
it's you're always get guys you may not have heard of.
But still ranking Jake Paul as a twelve and one
professional having beaten a former champion who's thirteen years removed
from relevance and Chaves having lost the only you know
fight he did step up you could say, against an
active fighter and Tommy Fury and then blew away those
two journeymen who came out of retirement. But Luke asked, simply,

(57:37):
should Paul's ranking have happened by the WBA? And maybe
even more important, does it really even matter? Because I
can't guess you're surprised over this.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Let me just let me do me a favorite long
on Luke put the list of the Okay, so this
is the cruiserweight division. Now let me just say something BC.
I recognize a couple of names on here. Obviously the
biggest one would be Uniel Dordicos who just lost correct
or Justin.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
He just lost to zero Ramirez Ramirez.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, so he's a good fighter, right, and we could
recognize that, and there might be like I think Chris
billum Smith is okay, Yes, yes, he's okay, okay, But
I don't know who any of these other people are.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Dude, I'm not going to act like I do either.
I know a couple of them by name only. But
can I just tell you something, Luke?

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah? Please?

Speaker 1 (58:31):
We already know the four sanctioning bodies, who, in terms
of their sins differ at times. You know, we always,
I guess favor the IBF because they actually stick to
their own rules, although sometimes their rules don't even make
sense when applied. Anytime you look at the rankings in boxing,
it never makes sense. Certain guys that you would expect

(58:52):
to be ranked high might only be ranked high in
one of the four sanctioning bodies, and not more than one.
And they're typically always filled with guys you've never heard
of who end up in number one contender spots. And
you're going, I've never heard of this guy. I've barely
heard of the country he came from, I've never heard
of anybody he fought, but yet he's the number one

(59:13):
contender for this title. Like we literally have to pull
Canelo out of the Big Fight sweepstakes to fight you know,
Avni Yielderum, you know what I'm saying here. So, in general,
the fact that we don't recognize the names in there,
it could just speak to the cruiserweight division not being deep,
but probably even more, it speaks to the fact that
to get ranked, promoters have been paying for decades behind

(59:35):
the scenes, to get ranked for decades. All Right, the
FBI has done investigations on this and found it out,
So let's not be necessarily surprised that we've never heard
of these names.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Here, right, Fair enough? And as you indicated, for folks
who don't know, and this is something I had to
look into as well. The WBA is like maybe the
worst offender of some of this stuff, where they're just
giving rankings to people you've never heard of in ways
that you could not imagine, for reasons that don't remain
clear at all, whether you can accuse them of some
kind of malfeasans I, you know, it's up to you,

(01:00:07):
but you know the rational explanations don't make sense. So
B see this to answer the question you initially asked.
I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand,
it does not appear to me like he is being
placed among It's not like you're like, oh, let's place
some on the list next to David Benavidez and you know,
like well known, established names, and I'm supposed to treat

(01:00:28):
him as like that's his peer group. Now they're putting
him among boxers that have, to my knowledge for them,
with some exceptions we indicated, you know, no footprint whatsoever
that have beaten nobody that you know whatsoever. I don't
know on that level, if Jake being there is some
kind of a scandal, however, what it also appears to
me is that we've got this ancient system, the sanctioning

(01:00:51):
body system, which to me is the biggest problem actually
that boxing has. These are the guys who are tasked
with the integrity of the sport. And these not just
the WBC and you name it. They just don't do
their job, these ones in particular. And here comes Jake,
you know, should he be ranked? No, But he didn't
create this system. He's just taking advantage of it. And

(01:01:12):
this is the inheritance that we now all have to
deal with. You know, it doesn't make me believe his
chances of winning a title or necessarily all that great.
But I just think people being like, oh, this is
you know, Jake, you know, manipulating an honest system, and
it's like, I don't. That's not the read that I get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
No, this is a That's what's interesting. I said this
yesterday in my life chat. Normally, when somebody gets a
ranking and you're just like, there's no justification for this,
the real answer is probably that somebody paid for it.
This is actually the reverse. This is an indication where
these sanctioning bodies are jumping over themselves to get involved
in the Jake Paul sweepstakes, so they can make the money.

(01:01:51):
So either way they're making the money. But it's sort
of inverse in that regard. And let's not forget Luke.
How many fights ago was Tommy Fury? Was it the
WBC one of the sanctioningbody's had announced before that fight
even happened that had if Jake would have won, he
would have been ranked then and back then you know
he had fought even less amount of people. So look,
to me, this is an absolute joke to your point,

(01:02:13):
I don't dunk on Jake and put it all on him.
He's playing in a system that's already broken and corrupt.
And you know why did Why was Canelo never stripped
when Benevitez was his mandatory for years because of the money,
because of the sanctioning fees they get when Canelo fights.
So this is already a broken, ridiculous system. UH. And
that's the thing when when Dana White does shit on

(01:02:34):
boxing and shit's on the on the UH sanctioning boards,
does that mean I think he should take over the
Muhammad Ali Act and take away fighters rights from it. No,
But he's actually right in that regard. But the reality
is Luke like, I'm not here to shit on Jake,
but to me, like it's one or the other. You're
either trying to beat the requisite people to get in

(01:02:54):
line for a title shot, or you're an attraction circus fighter.
The fact that this guy's gonna go from a Mike
Tyson fight to trying to get Jervonte, But then every
time he talks it's oh, by the way, I still
want to fight for a title. Then if you want
to fight for a title, fight these other guys in
front of you in the rankings that we've never heard of,
that's the road to it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Right, right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
And those aren't money fights, but that's what you should
have to do to be able to fight for a title.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
They're not money fights, but they are, for all intents
and purposes, real fights. That's the difference. They're real ones.
And again, I don't know if those guys can all
beat him. I don't know. I mean, Dordkost could beat him, Bobsley,
but some of the other guys made Maybe Jake beat
some of those guys. I don't even know. But he's
just it's an unusual path with a broken system of

(01:03:42):
third party validation, and this to me looks like the
intersection of two problems, the not the arrival of one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Here's what I'm gonna say about this, Luke. If he
ends up in a title fight, I don't know if
it'd be the worst thing ever, it wouldn't be great.
I mean, I'd really really want him to actually have
to earn it first. But we have seen a lot
of ridiculousness in this game before. I just hope if
Jake Paul does fight for a world title, that it's
a quote unquote real world title, that it's one of

(01:04:10):
the four sanctioning bodies titles, like you know, it's not
like the IBU title out of England, but more specifically,
that it's not the WBA vacant interim secondary title, right
or the WBA Regular Champion as opposed to the Super Champion.
I don't want this guy to win some absolute bootleg
belt where he's one of not just one of four
champions in a division worldwide, but one of like three

(01:04:34):
WBA champions in that division. If it's gonna happen, let's
do it right. And I know he did that face
off with Zerto backstage afterwards, but look, I just don't
think he's gonna take these fights.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I just don't think that's would end his career. I mean, yes,
this is there's no fucking way he takes that fight.
If he does, I would say this, if Jake Paul
actually ends up taking a Zerto Ramirez fight, I'd be like,
you know what, all right, all right, fair play to him.
You are signing up, you're signing your own death warrant.
But at least you had the balls to try this

(01:05:06):
the right way. Fine, fine, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Just signed your death certificate. Nuwanda. One movie, Luke, Come on, come.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
On, I don't remember which one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
I'm sorry, you just signed your expulsion papers, Nuwanda. Sorry
it was Dead Poets Society, you know, maybe the greatest
movie of the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Oh Captain, my captain, I'm gonna stand on my motherfucking desk.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
That's what I'm talking about, right there, beach. All right,
let's go to topic number four, bitches. According to the
article written by the Great John S. Nash on The
Uncrowned on Yahoo, Wow, some superpowers coming together there, John
took data from tapology that shows that while the UFC
business is certainly thriving, in many ways, one of them

(01:05:43):
being financially. The amount of events in MMA, including the
UFC and beyond, well, they're shrinking, and they're shrinking rapidly. Luke,
is there anything to this data that further explains the
decline of MMA, or would you say, given the u
UFC's place in popular culture and that financial success and

(01:06:06):
the IT factor that they have at the moment, that
this has much ado about nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Well, it's hard to know exactly what it means, and
it is kind of complicated. So let's just start with
the baseline For folks who may not have seen along on, Luke,
can you put the text up, not the graph itself,
So let's read. There's more to the Obviously you've want
to read the article, please go do that, but let's
just read. Let me read through this if I can
thanks to the datah blah blah blah. Okay. So, the

(01:06:32):
number of professional MMA bouts has comes to us from
data from Topology, peaked in twenty seventeen and around twenty thousand,
just shy of twenty one thousand. That number decreased only
slightly over the next two years. Obviously, after the COVID
pandemic it fell off, but It worked to rebound in
twenty twenty one after the world's economies began to reopen,
but the industry never fully recovered. Instead, the second peak

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at MMA bouts petered out around twenty twenty three at
eighteen thousand. The number of matches has since decreased, falling
to sixteen eight hundred and eight in twenty twenty four,
and at the current rate through May of this year,
twenty twenty five may end up only seeing thirteen thousand,
six hundred and thirty six bouts. Now she canlong on
put up the other graphic. Now here's the other part.

(01:07:13):
This is not overall bouts. These are just the top
markets USA and blue, Brazil and red, Russia in yellow,
Japan in green. Now, what you might notice is Japan
is steadily increasing after obviously a decline around the twenty
twenty pandemic. Japan appears to be a bright spot. What

(01:07:33):
you also might notice is that the European scene is
not listed on this graph. That's a good important point
to note because the European scene seems like it's on
the steady incline. It's going much higher and these are
all positive developments. So thank you. Long look I appreciate it.
So let's be clear about something. There's a couple of

(01:07:53):
different things happening here. One Japan a bright spot, Europe
a bright spot. It's not clear what those trend lines
for those individual mores markets will look like over the
next five or ten years. Maybe they kind of return
back to the same situation we're seeing with the three
dominant markets USA, Brazil and Russia. Or maybe it doesn't.
Maybe it just keeps going up and the polarity of
MMA shifts. I've seen the MMA of polarity shift. I

(01:08:14):
saw it when it was in Pride, and I saw
it when it was in UFC. I saw it go
from Japan to the USA. It happens, all right, So
something to keep in mind there. That's one thing I
would point out also, and this is kind of important.
There's if you just look at the UFC business, just
the business itself, there's just absolutely no evidence whatsoever of decline.
And in fact, we're on the precipice of them signing

(01:08:36):
a new television deal which is going to be probably
historic for the sport and going to make them a
ton of money over the next five seven, potentially ten
years or so. Right, it could be somewhere in that ballpark.
So there's no way to look at the UFC's global
reach and then the performance of the business and come
to some kind of conclusion that MMA is in decline.

(01:08:57):
But BC, we have to ask a different question, which
is right one. Is there any evidence that the growth
of the UFC leads to a broader growth of the
MMA industry? I think in the sense that it pioneers
new opening markets, yes, in the sense that it sustains them,

(01:09:19):
absolutely not. There's just no evidence that it sustains them
over the course of time. It can get a burst going,
it can break down barriers, yes, but once it gets
in the door, there's not a lot of evidence that
it can sustain it. More to the point, there appears
to be some evidence, at least in the North American market,
that is, the UFC gets more financially profitable, MMA itself
goes down. But there was some debate BC about whether

(01:09:41):
or not, like, does this prove that MMA is in decline? Listen,
some of the data is kind of complicated, and the
fact that the UFC is doing really well makes this
a little bit hard to understand. But for folks who've
never just dealt with the broader industry or thought of
the industry as both, including the UFC, but apart from it,
there's absolutely no way to say anything other than that

(01:10:01):
is in decline. And anyone who's lived as part of
it can just tell you more to the point, the
number of big organizations that pay good money a Bellator,
a pfl A one, these are in decline. B See
Bellator got removed from the market. That's forty million annual
in fighter pay and nothing replaced it. Nothing replaced it.

(01:10:25):
You know, well, hold on, might I also add, and
this is something that folks are just not going to
appreciate again in North America, bloody elbow doesn't exist anymore.
Sirius XM getting rid of all of their fight promotion
or all of their MMA programming completely. You know, obviously
my old employer, CBS Sports downsizing to a degree, Showtime

(01:10:48):
getting rid of you know, cutting and paramount cutting bait
with Bellator, cutting bait with by the Way boxing in particular,
if you just look at by the Way, all the
money coming in on combat sports, a lot of it
is just not even coming in from the United States,
is coming in principally in many cases from the Arab world.
But the point I'm trying to make is if you
just look around at the state of the industry with
media contraction, event contraction, mid major contraction, and these are

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happening in all three of the biggest markets. Yeah, is
UFC gonna be around for a while for sure. I
don't know how you could conclude otherwise, And for most
people maybe that's enough. But is MMA more broadly in decline.
I don't know how you could argue otherwise other than
to say there's a couple of global bright spots that

(01:11:33):
buck that trend.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Is that a direct result of monopolization?

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Though, well, you gotta be careful with that, because if
you actually go go back to the graph, if you
can't long island luke for just a second. I mean, technically,
the decline in the number of events starts around twenty
two thousand and nine ish, you know, and like remember
twenty sixteen. Look at look at twenty sixteen, right, So
in that particular case, you at least have Russian MMA

(01:12:00):
events on the incline, modest but negligible decline with Japan,
smarttest decline with Brazil, but you know, substantive decline with USA. Dude,
twenty sixteen, MMA was hot, So like, here's another thing
you have to consider BC. There might have Thank you
Long Island, there might have been a glut of too
many MM events that the product couldn't sustain anyway, So like,

(01:12:22):
how much contraction is actually not a big deal at all.
That's another part of the story that I'm perfectly willing
to say explains this. But when I see mid majors
get taken out, when I see the overall number of
shows decline, and then companies who used to make money
with their MMA coverage say we can't make money from

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this anymore, it is very, very difficult for me to
claim that the thing is growing. And you're asking more
broadly about UFC, I don't see how you can't look
at the monopolistic practices and what that does to the
industry more broadly and say it doesn't have any effect
If other companies can't thrive because of the nature of

(01:13:04):
one firm dominating the market, does that play a contributing role?
I don't see how it can't. Now that's not enough
to explain the story, And in fact, that's kind of
where it gets a little bit scary for me to
be honest with you, which is that even if you
can explain a significant amount of what is happening through
UFC's business practices, and again that plays a role, I

(01:13:27):
don't think that explains everything either. So we'll have to
see what happens, maybe to Poria and then Islam fight
and this leads to a renaissance, and they get Gable
steveson and he comes through and star Power brings it
back up, and then this is just where we are.
We'll just ebb and flow and settle out to a
more even place that could be exactly what happens. I
really don't know, but I can just tell you as

(01:13:48):
someone who is trying to examine the size and health
of this industry, the one thing I can say with
absolute certainty is it is contracting. Is it contracting to
a healthier place that can be sustainable maybe. Is it
contracted to a place where this is all going to
come undone maybe, but it's definitely contracting. Of that, I
have no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Yeah. Undone is a great seventy song from the Guests, who,
by the way, absolutely jammer. I want to ask you something.
Do you remember that great medior that hit the MMA
media Lane? For a couple of years. His name was
Jason from MMAI and he had a lot of investigative
YouTube videos and one of them was looking at the
regional scene of promotions that appear on UFC Fight Pass

(01:14:29):
And what the MMAI came to the conclusion of is
that these promotions would not exist anymore financially if they
weren't on fight Pass and UFC wasn't paying them directly
to keep them alive. And the reason was, of course,
was to develop a low level regional scene to provide
fighters to get ready to come onto the Dana White
Contender Series and then come into the UFC, particularly at

(01:14:52):
a very low rate. Of course, Luke, I do you
wonder if Dana announcing that he's going to double the
Dana White Contenders Series cards, does that put those promotions
in jeopardy on fight Pass or does that is that
just further building up the regional scene to better prepare
fighters for the UFC. Is there any correlation there?

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
So, I mean, let me tell you what a theory
I've I don't have, but something can I tell you
something that's been rattling around my head a little bit
about this? It almost makes the monopolization of TKO more
understandable in the sense that, well, I mean, obviously any
company that would want to be a monopoly now's a
good time, right. But more than that, maybe they see

(01:15:34):
the riding on the wall. Maybe they see that MMA
is undergoing a contraction, that it could go much further,
and in order to stay profitable, they want to just say, Okay, well,
where can we just get big money fights from. Let's
go into boxing. Where can we get cheap talent that
is easy to produce that there's no regulation over you

(01:15:55):
could say slot fighting, But obviously I'm going to point
to BJJ. Right, they're just kind of reading the right
on the wall about MMA and then expanding the universe
because that's what it's going to take for them to
sustain the profitability that they currently enjoy. That's something that
I've been thinking about as well. It's like they kind
of they might see what's ahead here. And you're asking
about contender series. That's like a first of all, to
the point that you raise a lot, dude, if you haven't,

(01:16:19):
if you have a if you have a regional promotion,
how do you make money right your TV deal? If
you have a really feverish fan base. You could do
some at the gate, but like, it's very, very difficult
to do. It's very difficult to be profitable doing regional MMA.
It is done. There are places where it happens for sure,
but it's not easy. And most of these guys who

(01:16:40):
are on most of these entities that are on five
pass by the way, from what I hear, some of
them are going to get cut pretty soon. Like some
of those are just going to go on their own way,
and what are they going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
They're going to be done.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
They're going to be done. They're gonna be done. So
when Dana's like, oh, we're going to do more Contender series,
what I think that is Everyone's like, oh, they just
want cheaper fights. Well, probably on some degree that's true, right.
I think the other one is, Dude, they're trying to
make up for a missing regional scene that they can't
rely upon and they have to just kind of prime
the pump to a degree to get this out. I mean,

(01:17:10):
this is the problem trying to point out. Everyone's like, oh,
UFC did this, and I'm like, I'm the first guy
to be hey, we should examine their UFC's monopolistic role
in producing some of these outcomes. But I think if
you actually look at the broader trends, there's something bigger,
potentially potentially happening, and the UFC might be a victim
of it too. That's that's kind of where my head

(01:17:31):
is out a little, at least at a bare minimum.
It's something I'm paying attention to. How it all plays
out in the next five to ten years, we'll have
to see.

Speaker 9 (01:17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
I mean, I've been reading X and Zach on the
MMA draw and it looks like that that the uh,
the APEX is going to be red hot in the future,
Luke between double Dana White Contender Series cards, UFC APEX
Fight Night cards, nxt WW Pro Wrestling, and of course

(01:18:00):
Zoofo Boxing as well. So that expansion to the old
Apex Luke is purposeful in a lot of ways here.
That keeps the costs low. It's the in house thing
right there. So I wonder if they do end up
removing the costs of keeping these regional promotions alive on
UFC Fight Pass by just going we are the new
minor leagues. It's called the Dana White Contender Series. I

(01:18:21):
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Again, I think that that is probably a plan. All
I want the viewers and the listeners to pay attention
to is there is information out there that is not
very comfortable to view. And in fairness, we're not exactly
sure where it's all headed, but I can just tell
you as somebody in the like BC, let's talk about
this for just a second before we move on. I

(01:18:42):
just want to make a point when I first not
when I first got into the business, but halfway through.
So let's say, you know, twenty fifteen ish something like that.
Even that's not really halfway, but you know part of
the way through. You could look around at that point
and you could say, hey, man, there are jobs out
there that like, you could do really well in. You know,

(01:19:03):
you could you had something to aspire to up the ladder.
There was a big cushy media gig working in this place,
or a big cushy media gig working in that place. Dude,
those jobs either don't exist anymore or are on the
hot seat, and I think there's going to be a
many more of them that go away. What explains that now?

(01:19:26):
Part of the answer is the changes in the media business,
no question about it. Never one thing is never one thing.
It's always a multitude of factors, but the but I'm
just telling everybody out there, I have been in these
fucking radio stations and in TV networks and editorial boards.
I sat in these meetings in the late two thousands
and early tens, and the pitch was very clear. This

(01:19:47):
is a growing sport. There is a massive underserved audience,
and you can make money on content if you decide
to cover it, whether you want to sell ads against
it or whatever. Not only is that argument not true
media art now anyway. Now media companies are looking at
it and they're saying, this is now a liability on
our bank, on our on our on our content portfolio.

(01:20:08):
We need to get rid of it. It's actually eating
into their profits rather than being a place that's either
neutral or they can make money. What explains that that's
a real thing, And if you're not in the media business,
you don't feel it. There are no more cushy gigs
to go to. Maybe there's a couple left in boxing
in MMA, unless you're an MMA fighter or you know
you're part of like someone who's only ever done you know,

(01:20:31):
working through UFC, you don't have a media role that
came before it. These jobs don't exist anymore, and I
need folks to understand, like just new you don't have.
I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm asking Noodle what that means. Uh,
And it means a couple of things, not least of
which is the industry is doing that it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
And you know, it's funny because we bring it up
from time to time when you get somebody that d
MS you or emails you on LinkedIn and is like, hey,
I love your work, I want to do exactly what
you do. Give me some advice where should I go?
And you know, I usually am very quick to not
give that exact advice because of how quickly the business
is changing. But to your point, Luke, every time I
get those emails now, I sort of get sad because

(01:21:12):
I don't even know what the path would be these
days to end up an MMA media person who actually
gets paid. I don't know what the best path is.
Is the best best path to go the MMA guru
lane and just sort of create your own identity online
and absolutely grind and jam and hope that becomes something.
You're right, what sites left have these jobs that used

(01:21:34):
to be there, It's it's scary it is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
I mean, you can do that. You can do the
independent creator thing for sure, that is a path you
can go. It's partly to say that, like some of
these jobs are just moving into different roles. But I
don't think people understand if once corporate media moves out
of MMA, they're taking all of that money out with it.
There will be some survivors, there will fact, in fact

(01:21:57):
be some that thrive, but as an enterprise that will
just be either non existent or you know, less lucrative
to the point of being negligible. And I think much
of that will be replaced by AI, whether whether or
not they do a good job or not. Like in
other words, there's just going even if some survive and thrive,
there's going to be a downgrade substantially to the industry.

(01:22:18):
More broadly, that doesn't happen if people feel like they
can make a lot of our entities feel like they
can actually make a lot of money on this. They can't.
They know they used to be able to, they can't anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
I mean, Kevin Iola's retired.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah, but he's in his sixties. I mean that's very different.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
You know, I was just throwing that out. There're just
gonna see how you're gonna respond to that. There are
a few ways to go, but enjoy your retirement, big keV.
Let's continue on down the rundown, Luke, let's go to topic
number five. And there's been a bit of an update
in the appeals portion of the Connor McGregor civil trial
of which he was found liable for sexual assault. The

(01:22:56):
latest bit of news is that Connor McGregor might be
in a little bit of trouble. Luke, can you break
down for me, in Layman's terms, what happened here? He
had made some accusations involving the victim in this case
and her boyfriend that have now been taken back. What's
the significance here?

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
So this was extremely surprising. I'm going to keep these
very general. We're not gonna spend a ton of time
on this, in part because it's not a resolved situation yet,
and so without the resolution, I can only give you
some of a heads up we actually have. There's many
people who have reported on this Irish Examiner, Mirror, you
name it. Look if you can put up these two
quotes that we have in order. First, so okay, actually

(01:23:36):
you know what, let me let me go back, so
I apologize. Connor McGregor gets found liable for sexual assault
we all know against Nikita Hand, and he immediately said
he was going to appeal. And then there was this
claim that they were going to have some new evidence,
including that remember there was this forensic evidence. You have
to have an answer for why was Nikita Hand when
she checked in to medical professionals, Why did she have

(01:23:59):
severe bruising, Why does she have any number of other things?
And there has to be an explanation for that. And
the explanation by Tikita Hand and her team was that
she was accusing Connor a sexual assault. That was her
explanation for it. And then Connor's team, I think they
were going to try through appeals to float something that
they had two witnesses who again before yesterdays or two

(01:24:23):
days AGO's hearing, what they were going to claim was
that Ahad they had seen that Nikita Han's partner had
put hands on her, essentially, and then this happened at court,
which by the way, Connor McGregor was not present for.
Put up the quote. If you can here, I'll read
it to you. This is the referring to the couple.
This is the couple. It was a man and a

(01:24:44):
woman who claimed that they had seen Tikita Hand significant
other hit her. The couple had sworn affidae fits, claiming
they had heard a row or you know of conflict
between missus Hand and her then partner on the night
of nine December twenty eighteen after the alleged rape with
Missus O'Reilly. That's one of the people claiming she saw
the road from her bedroom in a house across the road.
She claimed missus Hands then boyfriend pushed her and she

(01:25:07):
saw him moving his arms and hips as though he
was punching and kicking her. Mister Cummins, that's the other
guy in of the two claiming that they saw this.
Had claimed he was woken by screams and shouts coming
from Missus Han's house, but said he did not see
what had happened. Okay, next one. Their claims have now
been totally withdrawn by McGregor, with Missus Hann's counsel seeking

(01:25:30):
an apology from him over the ordeal. It comes after
mister Gordon had asked the judges yesterday that the court
quote ought to allow me to cross examine Missus O'Reilly
and her partner mister Gordon is an attorney for Adikita
Hand and mister Stains and then refer the matter for
perjury proceedings to the Director of Public Prosecutions and subordination
excuse me, subordination of perjury against mister McGregor. Reserving their

(01:25:54):
judgment on McGregor's actual appeal, one of the main judges
said she was referring the matter to the DEEP again,
the Department of Public Prosecutions. The DPP will examine whether
any potential perjury has occurred and anyone found to be
suspected or that could face criminal prosecution. Long story short.
In other words, the people who had claim to see
this that would have offered some degree of corroboration for

(01:26:17):
McGregor and his team's claims. When it came time for
this appeals to happen, they just they said, no, we're
not doing it. They withdrew and now the matter in
fact has formerly been sent to the DPP. Now the
one caveat BC that we have is that a spokesperson
for McGregor has said that McGregor is not part of

(01:26:39):
that referral. Now we've not heard that from the DPP
nor the judge That is just a McGregor spokesperson saying that,
in other words, could he have been misled by these
two people and he also is you know, I'm going
to say, as it pertains to being misled a victim,
understand what I'm saying here, that is possible. Well, a

(01:27:00):
lot of folks are thinking that McGregor is automatically involved.
There is a scenario you could imagine where he also
was given bad or misleading information and now the under
due diligence they realized that they had to withdraw. I
don't know, I don't know what best explains it. What
I can say is another possible explanation. It's not the
one I'm giving, but it's the one that is at

(01:27:20):
least theoretically possible. Was that McGregor did all this to
just further antagonize the victim and had no real way
of ever establishing this And this is just another ploy
for extending out this difficult circumstance for Nikita hand. That
is one interpretation that someone could come to if they
wanted to. All I can say is, Jesus Christ, this

(01:27:42):
is I mean, this was already bad for McGregor. This
is you know, beyond disgraceful at this point, and for
the folks who are like, aha, there's more evidence that's
going to happen, I would be curious what they would
have to say.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Now. Yeah, I mean, obviously if this leads to perjury
for Connor, if it's found that way, this could be
a criminal proceeding right without question.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Yes, Again, we don't know if it will even get there,
or or they may try to get those the witness couple.
They might say let's charge him for perjury, and who
knows what happens to them. We don't know what's going
to happen. If the DPP could say, you know what,
we're not gonna We're just gonna let this go like
nothing could happen. I'm not saying that criminal charges are inevitable,

(01:28:23):
it's not in any way the point I'm making, but
rather that if there was a case that Connor was
going to be able to make on appeal, it has
disintegrated into thin air. There's nothing, it doesn't exist. And
in fact, now either he or the people who are
claiming to make this you know, effidavit are now in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
So he was claiming, I'm trying to fully understand this
that she was actually assaulted by her significant other, which
would mean that the claims of sexual assault and the
bruising on her, he's essentially claiming it wasn't him right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Right, because remember Connor during the civil trial did not
deny that they were there was some degree of physical
contact centially between them. The question was whether or not
it was consensual. But remember Nikita hand shows up and
these medical professionals evaluate her and they're like, wow, this
is some of the worst bruising we've ever seen. That
actually is what they had said, And so you have
to have a theory. How did that get there? How

(01:29:17):
did they get to be as simple?

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
I mean, I guess Connor would be hoping that whoever was,
you know, the couple that claimed they saw it are
now essentially saying what that they didn't see it, or
that they don't want to go to court and do this.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
We don't know, we don't know what they're saying. We
don't know, and I won't speculate, We'll just have to see.
But certainly quite terrible for the case of Connor McGregor.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Mister Cummins, the witness that's not former barista turned Daniel
Cormier opponent Patrick Coming.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
I don't believe that it is. However, they share a namesake.
Certainly they do.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
They do Wow, interesting stuff. I'll stop trying to put
Connor in super fights now, Okay, Louke, can we just
you know, can we just be done?

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
It seems like a terrible guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Yeah, it really does. All right? Before we close the
five topics, Luke, I just wanted to reference that breaking
news overnight. I was shocked by it. David Benavita's PBC star.
It appears as if he's maybe signed with Riodzis and
as it's been announced that he will be making Hisson
debut in Saudi Arabia, not against Callum Smith like we
thought for a PBC pay per view, but based on

(01:30:17):
a tweet from Turkey Alashka, looks like he's gonna fight
Anthony Yard. This is pretty big movement of true, Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Why is that surprising? Didn't he say he'd be willing
to work with Turkey in that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Yeah, but then there was the report that when he
went out there that he left early and the talks
didn't go well. And you know, but I wonder if
it's as simple as if you want to fight the
winner of better Ball, Better Ball, Better bvbvall three. You
gotta come join our team and take a fight with us.
I don't know, but you know to be fair though,
other PBC fighters, including David Morrell Junior, who's gonna be
fighting in a couple of weeks, have have taken fights

(01:30:50):
with with Riad season, including Pitbull Cruz, a couple others.
Carlos adamis, what have you so? But given the fact
that Benavidez is such a big paper you brand for
the PBC, that is pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Luke, I guess I'm not as surprised by it, but
I mean it's just the nature. I mean, this is
where we are, dude. This is where all the money
in the sport is from the Middle East. That's where
all the money is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Where it's at, Luke. Two turntables, maybe even a microphone.
Let's get into our fan segments here to close out
this end over the Week episode and Morning Combat at
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the stand. Hey, not everything we say is correct, and

(01:31:35):
sometimes we need to be called out for it, but
you better have time stamps and you better come original batch.
It's called dead wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Then wrong, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Look. The first one is from my French brother and
French Canadian brother and Mark Iwan bussela Barrio. He says,
hello Luke BC and Bong Island, Luke the Bil, I'd
like to report it dead wrong. From our beloved Ilia Lover.
At thirty minutes and ten seconds of the show on Monday,
Luke said that it's time for Ilia to fight someone
in their twenties and mentions Armand and Patty as the

(01:32:13):
two candidates fitting that criteria. However, Luke, Patty has been
thirty since January third of this year, which makes look
in fact dead wrong, all.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Right, dead wrong. You know what I meant, someone more youthful,
but fair enough, not in his twenties. I'll take that there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
I mean he's a dad now, he's got twins.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
He's more mature though you're right, you're right, fairpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Mark closes with thank you for the show, Love you guys,
Thank you so much. We appreciate that. But fun to
see Luke take the l just the same. This last
one here is from Owayne Owayne or is this some
weird Irish name where it looks like CRN but it's
really like Shardet or some shit? All right, Aaron, go
bra right, I mean I didn't know. Okay, yeah, enough

(01:32:53):
bad Gaelic humor, Luke, you know what I mean. I mean,
I don't have any other jokes, but that's fine. Hey, guys,
I hope you're both doing well. I'm here to dead
wrong Luke. During Monday show, at fifty one minutes and
ten seconds, he stated that the thirty five and over
in title wins has now been broken twice. I hate
to be nitpicky, but it's now three times, not twice,
as the stat line was for one seventy and below.

(01:33:15):
It's Muhammad, Volkanowski and Pantosia all entering the over thirty
five club. So did Rocky Pennington cheers diggity Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
I mean, I don't know if I could count the
other side as a reasonable benchmark, but all right, fair enough,
fair enough, that is InCom.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
That's dead wrong. Luke is oh for two and BC
just perfect? It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Didn't you have to eat shit? Last show?

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
I didn't have anybody I don't know soon I always
forget about it afterward. Immediately afterwards, Luca's great. Our final
segment is when you send in pictures of your family
and tight T shirts and maybe even some fun artwork.
They might end up on a T shirt. You never know.
By the way, Mikey would like to let you all
know that thank you for the aggressive batches that have

(01:33:59):
come in. He picked the best of them with this week.
But if you don't see your shit, uh, there's always
next Friday. So check it out. This one's called fan submissions.

Speaker 9 (01:34:09):
You've got mayl feures.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Shout out to Gaffney Pierre right there. I love that guy,
Gaffney Jim as they call him. The first one's from Teddy,
he says, Day one fan right here. Just wanted to
show off a gold medal that I recently wonted a
local BJJ comp before Luke. Now, before Luke downplays the achievement,
I did check and the guys I beat did not
happen to be Uber Drivers. Anyway, I was pretty pleased,

(01:34:34):
considering I'm a washed dad of two girls. Keep up
the great content oss exclamation point. It's Teddy from Essex, England.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Congratulations, that's great. I'm not going to shoot on that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
That's awesome, fantastic look at him in that black.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Gee, right, Yeah, definitely looks very.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Masculine in that gee. I believe we have a second
photo of his Uh do it or no?

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Is that just one?

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
All right? That's it? Shout out to him. I'm sure
his girl were very proud of their accomplished dad. I
used to go with my dad to karate practice when
I was a little kid, and I would play in
the arcade that they had in the lobby. I'd play
pinball and then I'd watch him do high kicks. It
was really cool. He was like, a how low is
a green belt? I think that's less color.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
I saw. Have no idea how that works?

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Is that right above white?

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
I don't. I genuinely don't know. I don't know how
they do their belt system. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
My dad was the kind of guy where like if
he had beef at work, he just instantly would be like,
let's step outside and figure it out. You know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
He would have done well in the Marines. I saw
that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's what he told me I should have
done in my early ESPN years. I'm like, Dad, we
can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Yeah, I would, But yes, I could have resolved matters
that way. That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Yeah, there you go, there you go. All right, let's
go over to this next one from a fellow named CG. Lunz.
He says or she, I'm not really sure. It's a
typical day in combat. Luke and Brian are farting around
in the bomb Shelter is distracted by Bbl's gyrating on
his phone. Brian, the ever mischievous Brickxter, sneaks up, ready

(01:36:01):
to launch his attack on a rear naked choke of
a horned up and unaware Luke. Tune in next week,
same combat time, same combat channel.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
All right, they're going they're going back to the AI. Well,
but I I don't hate it. I don't hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
That basement looks a lot like our RSD set, right, Oh,
he is that lava lamp?

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
It looks like an RSD set in the middle of
the woods. Yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
By the way, have you noticed more podcasts are having
an RSD looking set lately? I've noticed that different.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Don't remind me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Yes, all right, we used to be cool. We used
to be like ahead of the game. It was really fun.
But yes, cg LUNs. That's well done. When the AI,
thank you very much. This next one is from Jonas.
He has no comment. Let's see where it is.

Speaker 9 (01:36:46):
Oh my god, no, oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
No wow, oh no, no wow.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
That is wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Oh my god, I got old dad teeth. What the
fucks with my teeth in this photo.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Imagine if you were like remember that Tyron Woodley video
Luke where he was just like all about it. Imagine
if you were doing that and you're like, oh, I
thought it was that it's cake. It turns out its cake, right,
you know what I mean? And then you thought it
was a okay.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Curse the man who made those curse Jonas.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
That was well done there. Wow, all right, let's go. Well,
Chef Kaz, you remember him, right, Chefkaz, Chef Cass from
Las Vegas. He is a a chef to the stars.
He also is a Coppawera instructor, professor of Vigante. They
call him Luke. All right, all right, he says, just
wanted to drop a quick note from your twenty twenty
three Donk of the Year, honorable mention, Chefkaz, to share

(01:37:52):
something cool from last night. I had the absolute honor
of cooking for the official after party for the new
UFC Whoa right after his huge win over Charles Olivera.
The energy was electric and the champ was all class.
He even let me snap some photos with him as

(01:38:13):
well as both of his belts and Whoa and I
got to rub him out. No, he didn't say that.
I've also included a few shots of the food we
put together for the night, top tier post victory fuel. Luke,
you gotta respond to this. This is huge, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Dude, how did he get into the Iliataporia party before
I did? The food looks good, by the way, I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Know that I know that Cass used to work with
and Ganu at times, He's worked with other fighters back
in the day. This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
That's unbelievable, dude. Chef Caasz on the fucking come up, man,
and you I would have loved to have been there.
Where was my invite?

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Chef Cazberiously, the chef says, as you guys know, I've
been lucky enough to work with a bunch of profighters
and high level athletes, including UFC champions Las Vegas gol Knights, NFL, NBA, MLB, pros,
but this one was definitely a highlight moment, especially considered
the fight had just transpired. I'm still wrapping MK every
day and tuning in without fail. I'm hoping to host

(01:39:12):
a full on Upper Decker Free MK watch party night
here at the house. Look did you see that Upper
Decker Free sometime soon, hosted by me and missus Chefkaz
y'all have an open invite anytime you're in Vegas. Very
nice of you. Keep up the incredible work. The show
continues to be the best thing going in combat.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
I honestly think and I'm not doing a bit. I'm
not doing a bit. I'm one hundred percent telling the truth.
We should set up some kind of crowdfunding thing and
however much we raise just the bare bones, just enough
to get to and back and whatever we need for
the bear bones, and we should do on the road
episodes at people's homes. One hundred thousand fucking person. When

(01:39:53):
I tell you, I'm looking right at the fucking camera
when I tell you, I would do it, And not
only would I do it, I think it would be
one of the fun, honest things that this show could
ever do, particularly in the iteration that it's in. I'm
one billion percent all in on doing it. If someone
wants to make it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Yeah, but will you uppredeck somebody's toilet like they got.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
To guarantee, I'm going to ruin your fucking plumbing. I'm
gonna take a dump the size of King Kong's you know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Okay, So when we made when we brought this up
a couple of weeks ago, and we're like, wow, that'd
be awesome, and we mentioned, you know, hey, let's go
to Mount you Unike, Nova Scotia, let's hang out with
the Piquettes. Do you know that other Piquette chef, Mark
Piquette who lives in Nova Scotia, not related to JP,
but they became friends over it. He DM me and said,
if you guys are serious and you're gonna do this,

(01:40:35):
I will cook you like the feast you've never imagined.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
I did. Put put the camera on me. I'm telling
you I would do this. I would love to do
the MK Home Tour twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Whenever Invasion tour.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Yes, the home Invasion Tour. We come in looking like
kneecap with blaclavas on our face. Is gonna bang your
wife and we're in a podcast afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
I'm at least gonna be the meat in a marriage
sandwich at bedtime with you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Guys at I'm telling, but I'm in dead serious. If
there's a way Long Island, Luke, I'm dead serious. If
there's a way to do this, I honestly think gorilla
radio style this would be one of the funnest things
the show could do. The iteration that it's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
In a I've been saying, you guys should come to
Long Island do an RSD in my living.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Okay, I'm not going to Long Island.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
I'd rather get AIDS, all right, but you'll go to
fucking wherever else in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:41:30):
The other thing is we could use our merch profit
to fund this.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Yeah, I'd rather not do that, but I mean you can.
You're right all right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
By the way, Uh, we had made jokes because Chef
casts has always been very uh uh, what's the word
I'm looking for, generacious, giving, gracious, generous, welcoming. But we
used to have that joke that you know, him and
his wife just wanted to you know, swap partners with
with this with this married couple right here, Luke, but
uh uh seriously, Chef casts can gl congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Yeah, that's that's really awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
Salute you well done.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Right there also one more one more. Put the picture
up with Chef Kaz and Ilia. One more, one more, dude,
Look at Ilia's face. It looks like he just woke up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
There's no indication that man was in a fistfight a
couple of hours earlier. Zero indication, none, nothing doesn't exist. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Shout out the chef Caaz. That's big ship man. I
hope he continues to get referrals and more clients in
that area. Well done. Let's hear from Wes right now.
He says, I made this, but then the joke ended
up on have you seen this shit? And here we go,
let's see what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
What did Cinderella do when she got to the ball?
She gagged? So no fries, sure this is Wendy's now.
B See, here's what I'm not gonna do. I'm not
gonna say anything about the race of the person taking
your order. I'm not gonna say anything about.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
It unrelated to this, Luke, Come on, I could.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
But I'm not saying anything about it. I'm not saying
anything about that you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Did you just did Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
But I will say that is fucking hilarious. And I
cried when I saw that the first.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
I mean that I did. So. We never see these
ahead of time unless they are like either borderline we
can't use them, or they're just so funny. Mikey can't wait.
He did send us that one, and I was laughing
until I was crying. And I will say, ultimately, here, Luke,
that does remind me of every interaction with DC service
workers that I had many different skin colors.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
To be fair, it's very weird. I know that you
think everyone thinks you're funny, but I keep trying to
explain to you only a select few of us. I'm
one of them. I'm one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
That's a hell of a fans up right there at.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Wes was very right there, very good.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
Our final entry comes from a guy who is among
the best at this. They call him Alan w. He's
a great supporter of our podcast and we appreciate him.
He's very international, man of mystery type fella. Here's what
he's got. He's the first one is Morning Combat presents
Flight eleven, Newark Transit and Orange super Bowl my god,

(01:44:08):
oh my what Okay, I totally want that poster, but
I really want you to have to be John Candy.
I think it would work better that way, Luke and
me be uncomfortable next to you. But that's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Wow, it was Steve Martin and John Candy, right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to be Steve Martin in
this Sam'd be John Candy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
I don't really care it either way, although the use
of the faces is perfect for this particular one that
they did. That orange super U that's literally what BC's
card looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
It's that Yeah, and you know, never forget on top
of that?

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Would you forget when.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
I stopped that? The next one from Alan w Is
called The Rock.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Winners Go Home and Fuck the Prom Queen Your best.
Only losers want about their best. Do you remember that line?

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Yes? Yeah? Great movie great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
When the Sean Connery turns around to Nick Cage, he's like,
your besh, you're beshed. Uh, Only losers whine about their best.
Winners go home and fuck the prom queen and he
goes Carla was the prom queen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
That Long Island. Luke on the left there, Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Yeah, he looks like a fucking Barista murderer.

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
That's like the AI version of me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Again, that's a great one too.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
That's great. The third one from Alan Dubbs is d
wo's dunk Pack.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Donk World Order. So that's Long Island Luke. That's me
looking oldest ship.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Oh my god, that's us Kevin Nash.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
That's look like every man in Florida who's ever used
the N word at a Chili's?

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Is that me as Buff Bagwell or Scott Hall? I
can't tell him the right, but on the left that's
definitely x poc aka the one two three Kid aka
a few other names there, Sean Waltman. Wow, with the
bong in hand and the do rag Dude. That's great
Donk World Order, shout it out, Wow, I love it. Finally,
choose your co host as the final offering from Allen w.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
So we got Glizzie DC. That's is that Zoe or
who who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
That's Red? That's Red's.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Then you got the athlete Bronzetatter. Then you got me
just smoking a vape like a piece of shit. You
got weird ass scorpion Chuck Mindenhall. Then you just got
I mean, have you have you seen Long Island, Luke,
I don't know. Have you seen someone begging for change
out of train station? You've seen?

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Who's the other guy?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
That Ed?

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Jed looking a little bit like Dan Hardy a little bit, you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
Know, a little bit, a little bit. Wow, well done,
Allen w answer everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
That's who you're picking.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
There, you're picking shut out the West. Shout out to
Chef Caz, Shout out to Jonas Cgluns, Teddy. We appreciate
you guys. Great great fan subs, and I'm told there's
a lot more left for next week. Continue to send
in dead wrongs and fan subs, or just reach out
to the show and complain at Morning Combat at gmail
dot com. Tell tell Mikey, don't tell Mikey, show Mikey.

(01:46:57):
Right there it is there. It is one more time
to close the program here on this holiday weekend, Morning
Combat Merch is not only back, the new July exclusives
are live. I'm wearing one of them. It is the
official Technical Thriller shirt with BC dressed up like dead

(01:47:18):
Michael Jackson in the Thriller video. And how about the
one two three margaritas with Luke Thomas and Sesame Street
Garb then you got the new posters. We have signed versions,
we have unsigned versions of the Luca poster. They're brought
to you by Average Joe R. It's more Incombat dot Shop.
Check it out. That's a great it's the best way

(01:47:38):
to support this program. The money goes directly to us.
So thank you guys, very very much. Fantastic show, Luke,
we made We made a lemonade out of shit, right?
Is that the old phrase?

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
Yes, that's the phrase, make shit lemonade?

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Yeah, there it is. Are we really gonna go to
w WWF in your house MK style? This is really
gonna happen?

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
I mean, we can talk about it. There's probably some
legal ease we'd have to figure out, but I'm I
think it would be one of the best things that
we could do for the show in its current state.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
So we'll get the grill ready in the backyard in Louisville.
All right, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
We'll go to Chef Caz and we'll steal his shit.
We'll document it and then dare him to sue us.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Good stuff, right there, great show.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
The worse your town, the better because then it gives
us things to mock everything about. When we're like doing
a tour of the town. You know what I mean,
tour of Tafa.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
Go see Big Chicken. You can like the show, you
can subscribe on YouTube. Shout out to everybody watching the
DraftKings Network and of course those audio only fans. We
hear you guys too, or maybe you hear us. Follow
our extended YouTube channels right there. Also support Long Island.
Luke in the main card minute Lil no fights of
note this weekend? Will you be a great boyfriend?

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
I will?

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
Holiday weekend? Happy fourth to everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
No stream for me. I did do like a live
chat kind of thing yesterday to get something this week.
But yeah, I'll be back next week with bet breakdowns.
You already know, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
What about? Can I say one thing to the audience
about this weekend? Yeah, don't drink and drive. Please, don't
fucking do that. No drinking and driving. Get an uber,
get a lift, ride a bike, walk, do something. You're
gonna go out and drink. Don't drink and drive.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
Please all sleep in the men's room at your favorite
bar before you drink and drive.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
That's right, soil yourself, be a man, but don't human boozing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
There you go, Luke, it's our nation's birthday. You know
what I mean? How many years is it?

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
I don't know a bunch?

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
All right? What's the next big one? Two seventy six?

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Well that would be three hundred years? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Oh so is there gonna be two fifty? One's two
fifty luke?

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
Next year?

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Next year? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Wow? What's that? Like the Susque centennial or some bullshit
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
I'm not sure how they would describe two to fifty, but.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Yeah, all right, maybe we can get to two hundred
and fifty thousand on YouTube subscribers.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Probably not, but we're gonna have to show a lot
more butthole.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Yeah, have to show Corey Sanaagan's balls to get there.
That's the show for the week. Guys, enjoy yourselves. Will
be back on Monday. Look what the hell are we
going to talk about on Monday?

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
I have no idea, but we'll figure it out, all.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Right, that's up to us. It's up to you guys
to be safe. Don't blow off your digits for l
I L L T. This is BC. Take care of you, guys, Okay,
take care of yourselves. Have a great weekend. We are

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