Tank vs. Roach Controversy | UFC Apex Recap | Cinco De Mayo Boxing | FULL EPISODE - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Reveale.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at us now tempted seven Jesus. Oh you using

(00:28):
will be well, it's time to bun. Oh yeah, I
get fired up. It's the show they couldn't kill. We're
still standing this morning. Combat It's back in your absolute
facehole Monday, March third, twenty twenty five. And what a

(00:50):
wild weekend in the combat space. We have to break
down from everything that went on and the Davante Davis
Lamont Roach Junior PBC on Prime pay per view to
us see apex and people sticking fingers and other people's eyes. Hey,
I'm Brian Campbell, that BBC with that bde Yeah, the
doba er Alpha over here. I'm one half of your

(01:11):
hosting duo from my basement in suburban Connecticut. Yes, all right,
how's that Apathy, Let's go. Yeah. And that guy next
to me, Oh my god, he's the best damn combat
sports analyst who never had the gall to get in
the fighting circle.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, okay, I'm just being a dick. Hey, it's Luke
Thomas from Washington, d C. There he is, guys, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
What's up? What's up? B Well, what's up b Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Three cheers for BC on a big ass Saturday. Three
cheers for him there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
How did you.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Celebrate after doing a Tank Davis pay per view in
terms of, like, you know, relaxing, kicking your feet up.
I'm going to guess, yo, you cranked your hog at
your hotel room while looking at something on your phone
and you ate popcorn till you fell asleep.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I you know, it's interesting. My my hotel room came
with a with an a throat chair and I just
I just settled, I settled deep into it, put on YouTube.
It just you know, smelt my own farts. What a
time to be alive. Thank you for the love, appreciate
of as well all the love from the uh the
MK faithful. It was a fantastic night at the office,

(02:19):
even with the controversy that, of course we're gonna get into.
But Luke, did you have a nice weekend in the
nation's capital? Maybe take I mean there's no splash pads
open this time of year for young tukes. But uh,
I don't know. Did you get your toast spacers? What
do you got going on in your Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I got my toast spacers on right now. Yeah, I
gotta fix these feet. I got my first pedicure. Uh,
for whatever that's worth. Now, people, I didn't. I didn't
realize this. There are like there's like numerous levels to pedicuring,
which I did not know. I of course did not
do like the coloring of the nails. I people want
to do that, that's cool, it's not for me. I
just got them trimmed and then cleaned, and then I

(02:55):
called it a day. My wife and kid kept going, I,
you know, whatever, my feet are disgusting.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It was gonna say, did your foot surgeon quit instantly
after that drop or what?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
You know? I couldn't believe the like the wreckage of
dead skin she was able to pull off of my feet.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
But well I can't because you sent me the disgusting
brush or the cheese grade.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I have to show the picture. I have to show
it because this is truly unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
She's not that far away in our friendship, if you
want to call it that from you sending me actual
pictures of your craps, which really would be the end
that would be the end.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Point that would be. I mean, that's a little much,
but I just want folks to see this. She took
one of those cheese greater things this is one foot
This is one foot of dead skin. Is that insane
or what?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah? That's a lot, Luke, Okay, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Wow, okay, so that was cool.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was cool. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I hope you listeners out there are doing well. Thank
you for supporting this yere podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
You know, we get through some storms, but we fight
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If you've been on this journey and you haven't let
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(04:15):
Did you know about this? Lazy Bed, Danger Mouse and
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Speaker 1 (04:23):
I did not know this. I'm actually hearing about this
for the first time. What's the story here?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh, morning Glory. It is a MMA podcast. I guess
I'll be Hey, they want me on, I'll be on it,
all right, all right, all right, shout out to our people.
Thank you very much. Okay, here we go. Enough talking
them up. Our third member of our fantastic team here.
He's from the ball sack of an Australian. He loves
Long Island and yeah, there he is Luke Nosina of

(04:49):
the main card minute. Hey brother, what's up?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Guys? How are you good?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Did you enjoy that star studied apex event over the weekend?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, dude, Sue alma By have you know would have
won if he didn't get poked in that.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
No, I'm kidding, he was getting his ass feed.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Tough night, Esteban Rivivich one, in my opinion, pretty pretty
bummed about that.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, l I l You know what I love the
most about Saturday, the two man Annik dom Cruise booth.
I'm serious, that was awesome.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I like a lot of people don't like Dom Cruise
on commentary.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I actually loved him. Yeah, but you know what they
did the retirement package for him, like dude in like
a study hall dude. They literally it felt you Because
so I ride the train all the time. There's one
train car BC called the Quiet Car. It's like right
behind first class. Anybody can sit in it. But the
only rule is I know about that, Well, the rule

(05:41):
is you can't be on your phone. There's no there's
no loud talking. That's they call it a library like atmosphere,
and they will tell you to shut up if you're like,
if you're breaking the rules. Dude. They did a highlight
package for dom Cruise in the quiet car on Amtrak.
I couldn't believe how like it was a nice package.
Don't get me wrong, Like they pause, but they you know,
they did a good job like building it out. But

(06:02):
oh my god, man, like there it just felt dead.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
The only difference between the Apex and an Amtrak car
is one of them doesn't have a half Armenian man
blowing up the commode. Right, I mean, just hold it
until you get to the studio.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
What we can't do that, brother, can't do that?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Alrighty, all right. We will close the show, of course
with dms from donks have you seen this shit? And
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out there in Hawaii, my man, mahalo to you, Broski,

(06:38):
all right, and your natural rival Telvin Ki Papa. But
before we start the show, Luke, and I wish I
had the asset ready. I dropped the ball on here.
We got to shout out one of ours, one of
our best fan supporters, really, the only guy in the
MK community who's really really willing to put you and
I right on his package, if you know what I mean,
and that is California's Christian Guero, the amateur MMA assassin

(07:04):
who is climbing the ranks. He won over the weekend.
He won with a blood He knows too, because that
guy's a fighter. By the way, that guy's got a
backbone and he had MK right on the package. I
can't wait to corner him one day coach list Tory style.
You know that's my dream. But I want to get
this guy on the show one day. Would you allow that?
Would you ever?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yes? Yes, I would absolutely. I would not stand in
the way of that at all.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
He's my hero and dig Aro shout out to that brother,
just yes, yeah, damn right. Unless you have anything else
to say, Luke, we should get into this this wild
and wacky weekend.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
If you're we've got a lot to talk about.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Let's do it, all right, a reminder that today's episode
is presented by DraftKings and you know that DraftKings. The
crown is yours, Thank you very much. Topic number one.
I know you guys want your MMA, but you know
the first four topics on my fighting dot com right
now are boxing because it was big over the weekend
in Brooks Glynn Barclay Center, PBC on Prime pay per

(08:02):
view and Gervante Tank Davis the lightweight title holder escaping
with a majority draw against amateur rival DMV favorite Lamont
Roach Junior but a boyle boy. There was heavy criticism
controversies going on in Brooklyn Luke Thomas from referee Steve

(08:23):
Willis and the New York State Athletic Commission's replay officials
seemingly egregiously blowing that round nine knockdown when Tank willingly
took a knee to I don't know, Roach, outworking and
outlanding Davis and still settling for a draw. In your opinion,
was Lamont Roach merely unlucky and this is boxing? Or

(08:46):
was this another black eye to the sport And was
Lamont Roach robbed of something meaning a victory, meaning millions
of dollars that could have been rightfully his No, there's.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
There's simply no question Lamont Roach was robbed. I have
a high opinion of Lamont Roach. I have a high
opinion of his gym, of his father, of his family,
and I thought he would do well. I want to
say before we talk about anything else, he overperformed even
what I thought was possible. And it looked to me
like he overperformed what Tank Davis thought was possible, and
to an extent probably PBC as well. I just want

(09:18):
to say the first thing that should come out of
our mouths when talking about what la Lamont Roach did
was he performed insanely well. And I just want to
make sure that that is the defining feature of how
we talk about his performance. Now that aside, You're asking
a pretty big question, you know. I I saw a
tweet from Bill Simmons BC on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
That notable boxing fan Bill Simmons, Yes, go for it.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yes, well, fair enough, he's a casual combat sports fan.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I meant to.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Bill's credit back when ESPN was doing stuff called like
page two, he was going to the Mohegan Sun to
see UFC events like this is a guy who I'm
not gonna call him a hardcore fan, and I don't
really care for Like, I don't know, I don't understand
why he He has cousin sal On all the time, who
has nothing interesting to say ever once in his life.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
But putting that aside, I didn't see this rivalry coming.
But keep good.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I don't hate him, but it's like, every time I
tune in, I'm like, why why is this person just talking? Stop? Anyway,
he had a tweet that was that he had to
know was incorrect, but it doesn't really matter, which is
that he says in talking about the round nine knockdown
that this was a travesty. This was ridiculous. But boxing
is not really really regulated so that there will be

(10:31):
no penalty. Now he knows that's not true. He's had
any number of discussions with other boxers, with Dana White
about the UFC. He knows that relevant athletic commissions are
the ones that are in charge, but the casual person's opinion,
even somebody who might know better like Bill, nevertheless takes
you to a position where it doesn't really necessarily matter

(10:52):
that the commission actually is the one in charge. I mean,
there is some relevancy and importance there, but this is
the crucial detail PC. But it just looks like nobody
is in charge. It looked like Saturday, no one was
really in charge, except for maybe Tank Davis of his
own choosing to do almost not quite whatever he wanted

(11:13):
because in taking the knee, not only should that have
been ruled potentially a knockdown, and referee Steve Willis began
physically gesturing, counting with his fingers, then all of a sudden,
inexplicably stops. They could have actually disqualified him for putting
Tank Davis for putting his head out the ropes being
wiped down by Calvin Ford to get something out of
his eyes and then returning to action, or they could

(11:34):
have taken two points for that if they had wanted to.
That was all on the table. But instead none of
that happened, and in fact, what happened was the exact opposite,
as if nothing had happened. That is the reality of
what went on here. We'll talk about a tweet from
Turkey L. Chic later in the show BC where he

(11:54):
had some interesting things to say about this broadcast. But
I want to really make a point about this. A
lot of what the American boxing community is trying to
do right now, which I fully support, is bring big fighters,
big fights and keep them here in the United States, right,
to keep the markets alive, to show what can be
done when you have an enthusiastic and native boxing audience

(12:15):
here in the States, you know, to really sort of
showcase what it means to have an American boxing both
aside as well as a future event. But in the end,
you know, we talked last week about Turkey, you know,
going up and talking to Shiraz about the scores and
how that was, you know, not necessarily a good look,
but hey, he's the guy kind of in charge. What

(12:36):
do you really expect. I'm not suggesting to you that
the regulatory scheme that we saw in place on Saturday
is identical to that BC. What I'm saying is a
casual fan, which is the biggest audience that combat sports has,
they can't tell the difference. There was really no difference
between the kind of thing that you saw in Saudi
where Turkey can kind of have his way and then

(12:57):
basically what do you want to call it in app
not the lost his fastball whatever with Steve willis where
this goes down. We all saw the scorecards one fifteen one,
thirteen two, fourteen one, fourteens, and I saw what people said, Well,
if he had taken a point, maybe Lamont, excuse me,
if they had taken a point, maybe Davis would have
approached this fight afterwards a little bit differently. NBC. That

(13:21):
is true. I have no way of knowing if he
had taken a point how that would have been, how
Davis would have responded to it. But the best stretch
of the fight that Lamont Peterson had was basically during
that portion and then a little bit later as well,
like he was on fire from round seven afterward, not
from rounds one to round six. It is very hard

(13:43):
for me to believe that there would have been some
kind of amazing Tank comeback, at least on that particular night,
given everything that we saw. BC. So how do I
wrap this all up. Let's just state it as plainly
as possible. The rightful winner of that bout should be
Lamont Peterson. Lamont Peterson was the better pure boxer, landed
more on Tank Davis than anyone else has to this point,

(14:04):
and was fucking robbed by an officiating crew that either
wasn't up to the job or certainly after the fact
even despite multiple entreaties from the press like Dan rayphel
and other ones who don't even have the goddamn decency
to explain what happened from a regulatory standpoint. On their end,
a shameful night for boxing, even if it was a

(14:24):
great night for Lamont Roach.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yes, thank you for you. You're calling in Peterson for a while.
I get the Washington connection.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh sorry, sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yes, if anyone didn't see it, very slow tactical fight
for the first half. We didn't really learn a lot.
You get Tank, who's always a slow starter. But I
think the key part of this was Lamont Roach did
lamar works. Didn't do what everybody else does, which is
try to, you know, go crazy and win as many
rounds until Tank makes that adjustment and knocks them out.

(14:52):
He forced Tank, who loves me in the counterpuncher to
take the lead. So it was an interesting but slow
chess match when we found I scored all the way
to round nine. Of course, Tank after a couple punches
from roaches, not directly, you know what I mean, there
was a pause, he got hit with a jab and
then he turns and takes a knee in anywhere I
believe in any state commission, automatically you get a standing

(15:14):
account you take a knee voluntarily. Let's not forget, by
the way, the only time legally that Floyd Mayweather was
knocked down in his entire career, not counting the one
against zab Juda that should have been that they missed,
was when he broke his hand against Carlos Hernandez and
turned away and went down to one knee should have
been at ten eight. If it had been, as Luke said,

(15:34):
it would have been a majority decision win for Lamont Roach.
So right then and there, you've got a major issue.
I don't have a major issue with the actual scoring
of the fight. I do want to say that in
real time while calling the fight, which isn't always easy
to score it as focused as you would be if
you weren't, I fell eight four or nine to three

(15:55):
in terms of rounds in favor of Roach was what
my eyes saw. But I'm saying that telling you that
there's like four or five rounds in the first half
of that fight where the output is so low from
either fighter that it is really hard to confidently say
Roach won this fight. I think most people had it
around a draw or seven to five either way. And really,

(16:15):
I don't think it's crazy that you could have scored
it seven to five four Tank, because some of those
rounds were close. And even that round nine, after that
failed knockdown fiasco, that was the best round of the
fight and honestly one of the best rounds of the year,
because they traded in the center of the ring and
I actually thought that Tank landed in totality the bigger shots,

(16:35):
so I slightly edged him that round, even though he
did get briefly wobbled by a roach shot. But the
whole point was two or three judges had at ten
to nine Tank. If that knockdown would have been called,
it would automatically been ten to eight roachs. So there
you go. Now to clean up some of the regulatory
stuff here. And Dan Rayfield, a Fight Freaks Unite, did
a lot of reporting yesterday on this and went on

(16:56):
his own podcast and talked about it. And according to Dan,
he communicated with people that were in the production truck
for PBC and under the New York State Athletic Commission rules,
they do have instant replay, but they have a tight
window where they can use it. So according to Dan,
he talked to the production people in the truck. They
fed the replay in real time in enough time. But

(17:17):
also according to Rayfiel, the replay official on site is
claiming that they didn't get the clean feed quick enough
and the window passed for the actual instant replay to
take place. So in totality here, Luke, I don't know
who's right or wrong on the replay getting there in time,
but this is a major, major dropping of the ball

(17:39):
from the New York State Athletic Commission. First and foremost,
Steve willis a guy that a lot of us love
and respect in some ways because he's smooth in there.
He's almost dancing the way he moves around. His eyes
are flying all over the place. This was a drop call.
This was absolutely a drop call, and something I didn't
even realize in real time while calling it. He did,
you can see it on the replay start administering the

(18:00):
out and then his voice was picked up on the
broadcast due to being miked, saying, Tank, you can't do
that because it's gonna look like a knockdown. No, it
is a knockdown. So this is rough. This is really rough.
If we can show a tweet from Dan Reefuel Long
Island Luke, who is certainly one of the longest reigning
and respected journalists in this game. Dan straight up calling

(18:22):
it fuckery and quote literally the worst call I've seen
in my entire life. So you're talking about a legitimate
controversy here, Luke, how do you feel like, having watched
it a second time? What's what's the window of a

(18:42):
fair scorecard in your eyes?

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I could do one fifteen in either direction. I think
that's okay. I think start getting too one sixteen territory.
That seems a little wid although I suppose there's probably
a case, but that seems more edge case. I mean,
it was a close fight, and it wasn't a fight
that had a ton of really truly punctuated moments, and
so you know, it's not that I mind. You notice

(19:08):
I'm not necessarily railing on the scorecard of one fifteen,
one thirteen for Gervonte Davis. I don't. I don't think
that that is insane by any stretch of the imagination.
It's just that it ended up being a one to fifteen,
one thirteen, then the two to one fourteens, and so mathematically,
if the point had been deducted. We've been over a
million times. Obviously it would have gone to Roach, but
like you know, I don't mind scoring it that way.

(19:28):
It's just dude, you know, you go back to the
Teddy Atlas quote. You know, what is it thirty six
minutes to make life fair? When you're talking about these
twelve round bouts. This is something that Lamont, Peter Lamont
Roach excuse me, has been looking for for quite some time.
He did everything that was asked of him, and it
didn't end an disaster, but it didn't end the way

(19:50):
that it was supposed to under the fairest of circumstances.
And I really don't know what the the what the
what the choices for fighters about this one. You know,
I've made a big deal about fighter pay for a
long time, but it's not really as relevant in boxing
for obviously a bunch of reasons.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
But if there is.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
One common denominator of the boxers and the MMA fighters
have is man they are at the mercy of just
absolutely We talk about our leadership, our political leadership in
this country being a gerontocracy, but dude, that's the same
thing happening in our officiating world. Look at how old
these boxing referees are. Look at how old these judges are,

(20:26):
look at how old the commissioners are. And that's look
at me saying it. If I'm saying it, there's a
huge problem, and it's here's how bad it is in
boxing BC. It's not even as bad in MMA, despite
the fact that the commissions are obviously sanctioning both sports.
We talked about the Jason Herzog controversy. Look at the
difference between what Jason Herzog is and what he's done

(20:49):
since that error versus Steve Willis, who didn't speak to
the press, has apparently no desire to speak to the press.
The commission won't make him speak to the press, And
so here we are. It's like, dude, we are in
desperate and I do mean desperate, need of adults with
bold vision in this sports. Both boxing and MMA combat

(21:10):
sports more broadly, taking on a position where they recognize
the problems that we face now in some ways might
be intractable, but the effort we are putting into making
them better seems non existent. Whether it's ipokes in MMA,
or whether it is referees in this particular case who
watch a fighter take a knee stick his head outside

(21:32):
the ring, get wiped down, and then return. He starts
a count physically you can see him do it on
the broadcast, and then stop. And we're just supposed to say,
this is a normally functioning sport. This is a fucking
disaster sport. This is a disaster sport. You are ruining
and fucking up the lives of the people who are
putting their lives on the line for entertainment. It's unethical,

(21:56):
it's unfucking believable, and yet it is the reality we
have of something. God damn, something needs to be done
to protect people lackroach and more broadly, just consumer interest
if they want to keep this thing afloat.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Now we're gonna get more into Jervonte's sort of shortcomings
on this night in topic number two. But if you
hadn't heard his excuse when I asked him in the
ring afterwards in terms of like what happened, why did
you take that knee, was that he had his braids
done a couple of days ago, and that there was
grease put in there, and the grease was dripping down
and blinding him in the eye. Now, like we have
seen the famous Cassius Clay versus Sunny List in part

(22:33):
one where Muhammad al lif you know, accused Clay of
putting illegal substances on his gloves and he was blinded,
but he fought through it because there's no timeouts in boxing.
So it really is a rough situation that doesn't make
Tank look good. And oh, by the way, Tank's proposed hairstylist,
if this is the person who did it, came out
on social media and killed him and was like, I

(22:54):
did his hair on Wednesday, there's no chance that that
could have still been an issue on Saturday. Although, Luke,
you may remember that Amanda Serrano did have a Puerto
Rico homecoming fight with Jake Paul's MVP Promotions. I think
it was last year, and unfortunately had to pull out
the day of of that fight because something similar happened
where she got her hair done and it messed with
her vision. So I guess it is possible that that

(23:16):
could be a thing. But the whole point, the whole
handling of it was an absolute debacle by the New
York State Athletic Commission. And you're right the fact that
officials are not readily made available in most cases for
comment or interviewing does not help the situation. It also,
even though PBC's getting a lot of counterfire blame here,
it's not their fault, but it looks like it is

(23:38):
because Tank escapes a fight where he was, let's be honest,
a little bit flat, not himself, largely uninterested. I said,
we'll get into more of the Tank side, So, Luke,
let's close out the LaMotte road side. Everything he said
he did in this fight. Look, I got laughed at
in the production meetings talking up the amateur experience between them,
the familiarity, the fact that Roach was not afraid of Tank.

(24:02):
He showed that in just about every way. He survived
those middle rounds where Tank was going hard to the
body and walking him down. So I got to ask you, Luke,
what do you think Roach ultimately accomplished against Tank that
pretty much every other opponent has been unable to to
make it this close. Obviously, the Barrios fight was close,

(24:23):
it was a size difference, but Tank overwhelmed him. The
uh Pitbull Cruise fight was close, but Tank hurt his
hand in here. I'm not seeing the same excuses here.
A guy who knew him well kind of outdid him here.
How did he do it in your eyes.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I don't think he kind of outed him, and I
think he did outdo him. I mean again, it's you know,
some of the scoring can be close, but just watching
it again. I watched it two more times this morning,
from front to back, and I couldn't believe what I
was looking at. I mean, dude, to understand what the
fucking media slander was about Lamont Roach coming into this

(24:58):
fight number one that he cherry picked, which I don't
think is necessarily unfair. I think that I think that
Davis was probably looking for a tough but manageable fight
and thought he could get that in Roach, and he
got much more than he bargained for. But aside from that,
the point that they made was not an unfair point.
Beyond that, namely, well, Roach is a one thirty guy
coming up to one thirty five. He lost to Jamel Herring.

(25:20):
Yeah he's got a win over Hector Garcia. That's nice,
but you know this is this is somebody that Tank
should just blow away. And then you talk to lam
Al Roach. You talked to him. I talked to him
ahead of this fight, and he said all the right things,
which was I know this guy. I know myself. I
grew up from those bad experiences with Jamel Herring. I've
rounded the corner. This is totally different. We know who

(25:41):
he is, we know how to fight him. Dude. He
stood in the He stood in front of Tank Davis,
took the best punches that Tank could give him for
thirty second seven minutes, thirty six minutes and fired back
almost the entire time. First six rounds a little slow,
but from round seven on BC he was in there
trading with the guy. Never got dropped.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Wobble.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Tank Davis as the guy coming up in wait, catch
and shoot was so crafty, slipped on the two and
landed his own. That lead left hook of his is
a dynamic weapon. You saw him chopping to the body,
chopping upstairs with that. Dude. He stood in there and
gave Jervonte Davis basically in that space, not in terms

(26:24):
of like an overwhelming show of force, but in terms
of what he said he was going to do BC
overall boxing skill and an overall boxing skill. He stood
in there under that consideration and gave Tank everything he
could handle. And then some how many people have numerically
outscored Tank Davis in that way, not for power shots,

(26:45):
but overall volume in the way that Lamon has nobody
and then to go in there and stand right in
the line of fire. And BCI even tweeted it before
the show. There's several of those punches where he's kind
of catching and rolling with but they're landing at the
same time. This is fucking tank Davis, man, this guy,
it just stretches people when he lands. And remember, I'm
gonna say it again, coming up from a lower weight class,

(27:07):
just taking catching and shooting the whole time. Dude, I understand,
and a lot of people didn't know who Lamont was. BCE,
I'm not even I told you, did I not text
you this? Tell the audience the truth. After I got
my stupid aspectic here, I'm sitting there waiting for my
daughter to get finished up and the guy next to
me who's sitting there is playing your post fight interview
on the phone. Then I didn't tell you this part.

(27:29):
I go across the street to where it was like
this food hall and the guys behind the grill are
talking about Lamont roach. Dude, nobody knew who he was,
and now they do. And that's a great thing. But
you asked what he did, dude, he arrived, That's what
he did. He arrived, he said he was going to do,
and he did everything that he promised. He can't control

(27:52):
the judging, so that parts out of his hands, but
he proved he is a craftsman, he is a veteran,
and he deserves to be taken as seriously as anybody
else in that division.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, a huge coming out party and a reminder that
they were the last time they fought as amateurs when
they were aged fifteen and sixteen to twenty eleven, they
were number one and two in the nation in their
weight class. So Roach turned pro with a legitimate reputation.
But to be fair, it took him time. It wasn't
just the loss to Jamel Herring in twenty nineteen where
he just wasn't quite ready for prime time. He bounced

(28:23):
from promoters from Golden Boy eventually to PBC and then look,
he had a weight out, his title shot against Hector
Garcia for Hector to fight Tank, and Hector delayed it
and got injured. Like there was a long time for
him to get this opportunity to finally prove himself. And
I've got to say he was not even though we
knew he was slightly taller and slightly longer than Tank
coming in, he was not the smaller man despite moving

(28:46):
up and weight. I know it's one division five pounds.
He looked like a legit ass one hundred and thirty
five pounder, a tough one with a chin, with defense,
with counter shots. I know. It was largely a low
output fight save for those pockets of rounds where they
did trade. But he passed the test literally every way
he could. And there was a tweet out there that

(29:08):
I didn't love from Tank where he said they took
the fight from me and made it the draw because
I did that bullshit knee. But I landed the most
punches in the fight, which he didn't. And he didn't
even hit me with a punch when I took the knee.
Also not true. It did come after a couple of shots.
And oh, by the way, that tweet from Jamonte did
get community noted and they showed the comfy Box stats
on there. But let's play an interesting piece of sound

(29:30):
from the presser where Roach is talking about what Tank
said to him in round twelve.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Y'all know something funny when we was talking in like
the twelfth round.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
I think the twelve for eleven. We was talking shit, right,
but he like, you ain't gonna win.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
I said, shit, why not you're talking about? He like,
I ain't gonna give it to you. I said, oh,
is that right? So you know that's how boxing work.
It's sad to say you know that's how boxing work.
I'm not like totally upset. I figured with a superstar

(30:06):
you won't get too much on paper, but uh shit,
I damn sure. I damned Joe thought I had it.
Especially when they announced the score for him. I was like, oh,
they're gonna give me a split decision win. I was like, oh,
oh shit, there go. But as soon as I heard
that one fourteen, I was just like, damn, it is over.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
We so looke Tank telling him they're gonna rob you.
They're not gonna give it to you. They're gonna give
me a what decision was interesting?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Oh? I got an updated tweet twenty minutes ago from
Lamont roach twenty minutes ago. So Gervante tweets yes forty
two minutes ago, say no more, I'm pushing for the rematch.
Lamont just quote tweeted and goes, F you mean pushing
n word. My contract already signed and set for the
immediate rematch, because you put that in there just in
case you lost. Only reason we don't fight is because

(30:53):
you're scared.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Okay, so that is good because Keith Idek of Uncrowned
reported that thank did have a rematch clause. It is
contractually there. But there was this weird sound afterwards from
Tank that didn't make a lot of sense. Can we
hear it quickly?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Here?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Long Olt beat them up.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
A little bit? Then President issue, Okay, one more year
and I think we're good, Tank.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I just wanted to ask earlier you said, you know,
hopefully you can get the rematch with Lamart next, but
everybody looks at you as a face of boxing, and
there's somebody who calls the shots. Do you want that
rematch next? And if so, high likely.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It is that we're you know where to see that
fight happen again this year.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
Ah.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
I'm not sure, bro Uh, definitely not sure.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
Hopefully we can get it before.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Nah, it probably won't be this year.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Is that the one you want next?

Speaker 7 (31:53):
That's the Yeah, it's definitely the one I want next,
But it's not going to be next.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
What I see? Yeah, I see it, all.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Right, ladies and gentlemen, giving up one more time for
the night. Now. Look. He would elaborate on that in
another interview where he claimed that there was an opponent
ready in the arena that came into his locker room
that he was going to announce had he won. The
only people I saw that fit that description, either ringside
or on social media that were there were Schakor, Stephenson, Esach, Pitbull, Cruise,

(32:32):
and Jake Paul. So it seems like it was probably
going to be one of those three, if you could
even sanction some kind of weird Gervonte, Jake Paul, Rema
you know match, I don't even know. But I'm happy
though that it does seem more angling toward a rematch
because Roach deserves that, and I did see. I think
it's is that the WBA came out and said they're
more than likely going to order a rematch. So would

(32:54):
you agree with me that this has to be next?
And I want to know, do you think this is
because of the contra in the performance from Roach? You
think this will be a big deal this rematch.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I think the rematch will be bigger than the first one.
I do think that. I mean, there's simply no question
that people were caught a little dude. Even us, we
have a high opinion of Lamont Roachi and even us
were like, wow, he really he really? I thought for
sure if he was going to duel like that with Tank,
he was going to get some licks and give some
but that eventually he might get clipped at a bare minimum,
and even that didn't happen, Like crazy to think about.

(33:24):
So I think the rematch will be bigger, and for
that reason, there's a good chance of it being made.
But like you know, if Shakoor comes calling, I don't
know if that will take precedence or not. And as
you mentioned it, I mean I don't even know. I
don't even know what to say about like Jake Paul
being there, Is it even relevant? Is this the thing?
I mean, how do you you know? What I mean?

(33:45):
I don't even know what to say about that. But
the point I'm trying to make is there could be
any number of other fights that get made that are,
at least in theory, bigger, and for that reason, you
just always have to follow the money in boxing. But
I think what Lamont has on his side is him
and I sent a bunch of tweets in the in
the uh. In the chat he has read if you
want Yeah, he's going back and forth. He's going back

(34:06):
and forth with Tank. Show that here's the Dan Kenobia
one Santamarre I'm pushing for the rematch BC saying he
wants the rematch at the end of May. I'd be
okay with that if that's what they want to do,
like turn around on it real quickly. And then I
don't understand this one. If you've got it word around
the block, y'all favorite fighter he's talking about. Uh, Tank
here is fit to be thirty and one, not thirty

(34:29):
zero to one two times two division champ. Is he
suggesting he's got word from the commission that they might
change the result of that fight.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
It seems like that. It seems like that in the
history of people appealing and getting things changed in boxing
isn't great, But this is such an egregious situation. Again,
I mentioned what Dan Rayfield reported about the the dropping
of the ball in terms of the timing of the
of the window of when replay is accepted there, I
feel like if they had seen it in real time, uh,

(34:57):
and I think it was referee Ricky Gonzalez, Dan said,
who was the replay official, Very respected guy. There's no
reason that they would not have changed that to a knockdown.
So I don't I mean, I don't know rules wise, Luke,
if they can retroactively do that. Either way, this man
deserves the rematch meeting Lamont Roach. He deserves the big
time money for this performance. And I'd almost tell him

(35:19):
leave that one hundred and thirty pound title you owned behind.
I love him here at lightweight, this physical size, this confidence.
You already had Shaker Stevenson saying he'd love to fight
him too. So interesting stuff, Luke, But let's transition to
topic number two. A lot of tank trepidation out there
about what was really going on in the build up

(35:40):
to this fight, the performance of this fight, the aftermath.
So Luke, yes, the true story of this fight surrounds
two things, the controversy and the overachieving the coming out
party of Lamont Roach. But it is hard not to
overlook some of the bizarre behavior from Davis. Okay, him
talking about retirement like crazy in therapy, that's not bizarre,

(36:01):
but I think that played into this. Then you have
that sort of weird mock outrage that Tank had in
the ring after the decision was won. He had like
a smile on his face, but he kind of kneeled
in the corner and acted like he was really upset.
Then he gives me the very odd excuse about the
grease in his hair that's already been auto tuned into
like a song by the way on the internet. He

(36:21):
had an overall lack of urgency. So when you consider
all this luke, including him arguing with his corner aggressively
and yelling at Calvin Ford, and who is a very
who took over as main trainer for this fight, here's
a very important question. Because boxing you only fight two
times a year in most cases, so you are only

(36:43):
as good as your last performance. Was this one off
night for Tank Davis or is this a sign that
the hunger is temporarily gone or that he might be
spiraling here in terms of the direction of his career
in the wrong direction.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
After this performance, there is simply no question his competitive
fire has diminished. There's no question in my mind. I
don't know how you can't look at his attitude from
the beginning of this announcement for this fight, the press
tour all week everything. It just seemed to me he's
got his mind in other places. Now we have to

(37:19):
understand something. That doesn't mean he did not train hard,
and in fact, if you'll know, he did not have
a hard time going twelve rounds. And also I think
the way in which Lamont Roach fought him created, as
you unicated, BC, somebody like Tank wants to be the counterfighter,
and Lamont wasn't really obliging that very often, or at

(37:41):
least not certainly, not as much down the stretch and
was making him go and then was getting countered, and
you know, so it was a big problem. But I
just want to point out something here. We said from
the moment that this fight was announced and they did
that press event, BC, you and I watched it. We
were like, man, Tank just seems like he's in another world.
I cannot declare to you at the present moment that

(38:04):
he has done and anybody who can knows much more
than me, or simply as willing to just say things
that they just don't know to be true, it is
very possible BC that Another thing you have to consider
is he does have Tank Davis a chummy relationship with
a bunch of DC boxers again, the guy who was
his fucking cornerman this time is perhaps the chief and

(38:26):
Barry Hunter the chief coach in this area for that
kind of thing, and so it wasn't a heated rival
like he had in Ryan Garcia. In fact, BC I
went back and I watched some of the press events
from the Ryan Garcia fight. I remember when Ryan was like,
you know, it's not about money, that's what you don't get,
and then Tank's pulling out money. He's like, yes, this
is all that it's about, idiot, and He's like chucking money.
I don't remember, like there was a certain kind of

(38:48):
competitive fire that was pulled out of him, and I
do think that that ultimately elevated his performance on that night.
I know there's weight stuff and everything else, but I'm
saying I do think that played a role. But Lamont
never gave him any of that, and Tank never tried
to get any of that out of him. And there's
a little bit of this and that, but there was
none of it. But just between that, the way in
which Roach fought and then the bigger issues that a

(39:11):
guy like Tank has identified remember prior to this fight,
and THENT some other ones too. But you know more recently,
I should say, in Tank's life, the guy went to jail,
and he went to jail for like a big thing
that he fucked up on really bad. It was a
hit and run and left people there at the scene
of an accident like this is pretty bad shit, and
he went to jail for it, and he came out.
It seems to me something of a different person, and

(39:33):
it seems bc maybe even a better overall person. But
I've seen better overall people become worse boxers because they're
healing things that had tripped them up and angered them
and frustrated them earlier in life. Simply no longer does.
By the way, he also has more money than he
could probably ever need if he, you know, spends his

(39:53):
money wisely. So we see. All of this is to
say there's simply no doubt this is not Heke Tank
in terms of his competitive fire, ambition and focus. That
isn't to say he couldn't pull it out of him
in a rematch. That isn't to say he couldn't win
a rematch. And it's not here to say that a
different person who would be squawking in his face couldn't
pull out the monster once more, but he wasn't there

(40:16):
on Saturday at the Barclays, and he should have paid
for it with a loss.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I agree with you. I agree with you completely. And
it's not that this doesn't happen. Great fighters have had
off nights, bad camps, stretches in their life where they
weren't as focused, whether there's outside distractions or partying or whatever.
I don't know the case, right. We don't see a
lot of tank outside of his fights, you know what
I'm saying, So it's tough to say, but there were
some issues in there. It seemed beyond just roach. Knew

(40:42):
him well, applied the right element of pressure, showed a
great chin. I mean when he was giving me that answer,
it was like bizarro world. It's like even when he
was hearing the boost from the crowd and sort of
getting angry and challenging them and being like, why are
you guys booing? This is a legitimate thing. It's like,
I'm not saying it's not a legitimate thing. That hair
grease could have gotten too his eye, But he was

(41:04):
so nonchalant, almost laughing about it. There didn't seem a
legit amount of a urgency in the fight, and be
lament that this even happened, right like lament that there
was a draw on his record. Now it could just
be he was kind of half embarrassed in the moment.
Who knows it was interesting. Let's let's play sound from

(41:25):
Tank at the postfight pressure where he does show some
humility about why this result didn't go his way and
further talks about hairgate.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
What's going through your mind when you when you heard
the decision?

Speaker 6 (41:36):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (41:38):
Nobody like a drawer, you know from a guy that
get knockouts and things like that.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
But it's cool.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
I feel like if we fight again, I could do
more and I should have did more. I was lost
in a h I lost track in the.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
Rounds. That's why we need what is it called?

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Yeah, man, I didn't know what brown it was facts?

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Tank? Eric Blum from Daily dot Com, First off, your
coach is second confirmed.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
Did you get your hair done two days before the fight? Yeah?
I ran water over it today, but I mustn't do
it enough.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Can you describe what the feeling was like in the ring?

Speaker 5 (42:32):
And it was it was it to get the towel out,
to get the burn out of your eyes or what
was going on?

Speaker 6 (42:36):
And I didn't want to get caught.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
I didn't want to get caught while my eyes was burning,
and you know, like you can't get knocked out like that,
So I'd rather take the knee than you know, but
I already know that you can get the Spotify for
all that or like when you start counting, I'm like,
what the hell? But I don't know. It's cool?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Do you want that rematch next?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
And if so, high likely it is that we're you
know where to see that fight happen again this year.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
Uh, I'm not sure, bro.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
Uh, I'm definitely not sure, but hopefully we could get
it before.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
Nah, it probably won't be this year. Is that the
one you want next?

Speaker 7 (43:26):
That's the Yeah, it's definitely the one I want next,
But it's not gonna be next.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
What is you might see it in a minute. Definitely
might see it in a minute.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Okay. The ending of that was a repeat of what
we had heard earlier, but Tank would go on to
later say when asked if this changes his retirement plans,
he said it does. He now wants to fight four
times this year, so who knows if that is Uh,
if he'll get there, if that's real, But Luke, you
did hear him say he lost track of the rounds
he didn't know the rules about the knee, which is
kind of weird and interesting. I guess what he didn't want.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
MMA fighters and boxers appear to not know the rules
of their own sport. I'm not even doing a bit
like how many weeks do we go over this? And
they're like, no one seems to know the rules.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
If you could try to get in the head of
referee Steve Willis, do you think this is tied into
some of the complaints we have in MMA refereing. Refereeing
where they don't want to be the story, so they
try so hard not to take away a point or
do something where they become where they have a hand
in the outcome. But in this case, by not taking

(44:35):
control and not having a hand in the outcome, you
alter the outcome. Is that how you sort of look
at what Steve Willis did.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I just think Steve Willis is old, and I think
he got caught in a super unenviable situation, a weird one,
and just refuse to take control, just refuse to take
control and let the other guys take control. And and
I think as a consequence this is where we are like,

(45:04):
these guys don't to your point, they simply don't want
to have any kind of fingerprint. And now it's gotten
to the point where we can't even tell if they're there, right,
there's their borderline invisible at this point. And by the way,
obviously not calling the knock or the knee down or
you know, even warning about anything in any kind of
formal wag and the whole all of that in round

(45:26):
nine is bad. It wasn't like he had a good
refereeing performance outside of that. BC he was slow to
break up some clinches and had a hard time doing it.
And then there was other times BC he would like
pull them apart and then talk to one of them,
wouldn't stop the clock and they would talk. I counted
almost one of them went for fifteen seconds, so several
of them went for ten. And the time is just

(45:48):
ticking by, and I'm like, dude, dude, he sucked. He
was really really bad on Saturday night. It's hard for
me to believe there is nobody in their late twenties
early thirties in New York State who can do that
job effectively, because it seems to me like they are
in desperate need of some turnover.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Well, if Roach would have won, would be a new champion.
You've already got star studed group at this division with
Tank with a belt, Lomachenko, Shakor, Stevenson, Keishawn Davis. Do
you reorder those at all? Luke? In terms like like,
does Tank deserve to drop out of the pound for
pound top ten for this? I mean it was a

(46:23):
draw in the end. Controversially enough, Does this change anything
when you look at the hierarchy at lightweight? And what
I mean by that is I was always of the
belief that if Shaquurr and Tank met, I would favor
Shakor even with the power difference between them, and people
would always laugh at me when I say that. I
almost feel like we saw some limitations in Tank's adjustment

(46:46):
ability here that we just haven't seen before. This was
the first flat fight he'd had since the maymac Comane
event in twenty seventeen, when he missed weight against Francisco
Fonseka and kind of got booed the whole fight until
he finally knocked him out late. Does what has change
much in how you look at Tank Stock?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yes, yes it does. I remember when Spence beat CSS up,
Crawford beat Spence and not I think the month after that, BC,
I got the opportunity to call by the way, Gary
Antoine Russell. I got to call one of his fights
at the MGM here on in Oxen Hill, Maryland, just
outside the city and Breadman Breadman by the way, who

(47:26):
was also there cornering Julian Williams Jay Rock, and he
said to me something off air. We were talking about, like,
you know, what does this do to Spence's pound for
pound ranking? And his point was, dude, you can't get
throttled like that and then claim to be a pound
for pound guy. Now, the argument, of course was that
but is also a pound for pound guy. So it
was like you were losing to a scrub. But he

(47:47):
was This point was you simply cannot get dominated like
that and then hold your pound for pound positioning. Now, BC,
that's not the situation here. It's not like Lamont dominated Tank,
far from it. That's not my point. Nobody would suggest
something like that. However, like again I'm gonna say it,
Roach prior to Saturday not on anyone's pound for pound list.

(48:08):
And on top of that, a one thirty guy coming up.
If you're a pound for pound guy, should you be
going to draws against guys that you hand picked from
lower weight classes. There's a strong argument that that should.
There should be a very stiff penalty in the rankings
for a performance like that.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
But if Tank comes out and knocks him out in
the rematch and does what the odds makers thought he would,
that could change that. You are I mean its fickle.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yes, I mean, I don't know if he likes I'm
not saying he never belongs on it now or ever. Again,
you know, we're taking a snapshot in time. He goes
out there in the rematch in May, BC stretches him. Okay,
different conversation that we're having. But at the present moment
in time, he turned in a real dud, and he's
supposed to be a top pound for pound guy. There
should be a penalty for that.

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there at Quervo Luke. Let's quickly hit the big notes
on the PBC on Prime Undercard, then we'll get into
the Ufcapex over the weekend. Gary Antoine Russell, who had
knocked out all seventeen opponents heading into his title shot
last year for the inn REMBLD against Alberto Poyo. He
would lose a split decision and say afterwards, I'm never

(49:59):
gonna leave it. I'm never going to leave it in
the ring again. He said he had a chip on
his shoulder and he went in there against world title
holder Jose Avellanzuela, who called him nothing special. This week,
Russell said, I took that shit personally. What did he do?
He delivered a near shutout over twelve rounds to capture
a world title at one hundred forty pounds honor his

(50:20):
late father, Gary Russell Senior. Of course, he had his brother,
Gary Russell Junior, former featherweight champion in his corner. So
Luke Russell attempted to just shy of one thousand punches
over twelve rounds. He kept up a brutal pace and
he beat Valezuela, who is a very good fighter in
just about every category. What did this performance say in
your eyes about where Gary Antoine Russell belongs in the

(50:42):
one hundred forty pound hierarchy.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Dude, this is the most impressive performance I've seen from him.
I mean, you can say the Victor post allified. You
can even say the Kent Cruise fight, which is the
one that went around. But like, I freaking love this
performance from Russell. I couldn't believe how good it was.
I thought Ryo was going to give him a tough time.
I mean understands something. Ryo was coming into this fight.
Jose Vealezuela with the stoppage win in the what was

(51:05):
it round six over Chris Colbert, and then the Estock
Cruz performance, and remember Esak Cruz was kind of bumping
himself up in everyone's eyes in terms of what he
was doing, and then Ryo out boxed him, and everyone's like,
oh wow, I guess Ryo's simply a lot better than
we ever realized. And then Antoine Russell, Gary Antwine Russell
goes in there BC and kind of abused him, to

(51:26):
be perfectly honest, especially down the stretch that he was
landing multi punch combinations, Ryo simply couldn't do anything to
a get out of the way of the onslaught. He
got pushed back into the ropes over and over again.
He got drilled to the body combinations. Upstairs, he just
really was struggling to find a place I'm not gonna

(51:46):
say to hide, but to be comfortable in there. And
then secondly, on top of it, BC, he he was
just so he looked he was out of ideas. I
think by round nine or ten, he just looked like
I am just trying to get through this. That's what
it looked like to me. Russell fought with verve, he
fought with personality, He fought with a ton of offensive mindedness,

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like he had a good high work rate and everything else.
And you guys talked about it on the broadcast that
he fought with a bit of a chip on his
shoulder coming off that Cueos with decision loss BA se.
It clearly lit a fire under him. And by the way,
also I should say something too. I don't want to
keep going back to it, but I do think it
is relevant. They lost their patriarch some years ago at

(52:31):
this point, and Gary Russell Junior has kind of filled in,
and I think he's done a marvelous job. Please don't
mist understand me, but it looked like it might have
taken some time for Gary Antoine Russell to kind of
settle into all of the new power dynamics at the
gym and what it means for his training, what it
means for the fights, what it means for his development
and everything else. Dude, he looked like if you just

(52:52):
take away the Poeo fight and you pick up off
the Camp Cruise fight, it looked to me like, you know,
the the line growth is like this on the on
the graph, you just I mean, it's just an unbelievable
leveling up from him. This was Ryo at arguably BC
his hottest. This was Valenzuelo at Valanzueta, excuse me, at

(53:13):
arguably the best that he has been and Russell mowed
him down. I was so impressed by him. I was
not I was expecting. We talked about it a little
bit on Friday. Hey, this is kind of one going
on under the radar because I thought it was going
to be back and.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Forth on the cards. It was an actual pim.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Sorry last thing on this PC. I apologize. You're right.
It was a pickham. Ryo couldn't get Russell off of him.
Russell was just constantly battering him, and you could see
there were times Ryo would bite and then throw and
then kind of like I'm gonna stand my ground, and
then he would just get overwhelmed. Right afterwards. Man, this
was the best performance I've seen from Russell, A deserving

(53:52):
one for claiming a world title. I take my hat
off to him. Fantastic by him.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
He told us in the fighter meanings I'm gonna destroy
him in every possible way. And you hear that and
you're like, okay, great, let's see what happens, dude. He
even took Ryle's best shots and never sold them, just
kept coming forward and pushing and pushing. It was almost
Virtuosa level, and I loved the coaching in the corner
from his older brother Gary and if you don't know
their father, their lay father, Gary Russell Senior, named all

(54:18):
six boys Kerry Russell with different middle names, sort of
a George Foreman thing, but breakout performance. No longer Gary
Russell Junior's little brother in any way, And you consider
he's got that streak of seventeen consecutive knockouts against guys
he'd beat. Didn't get a knockout here, but dominated him.
I think this was a good enough performance that he
now looks like the class of this division. Like literally

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looks like he could beat every other champion, including Tao Fimo.
He looked that good as a south paw mixing the
boxing with the power. We also saw another title fight
in this division on the undercard, also between south paus,
when Alberto Poeo and Sandor Martin, who a lot of
us kind of secretly thought could put out a stinker.
They surprisingly had an aggressive, somewhat of an act a fight,

(55:01):
but luc a split decision lost or Sandor Martin where
I thought he had done enough, the same outcome he
had against Tyo Femo in that close fight. I felt
for him. Did you have were you leaning either way?
In this one after the fight, well, what.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Umm, no, yes, yes, I mean it was close. It
was close. I thought Martine one. I thought Martine one.
But the fight was not great and it was close.
And whenever it's close to you know the rule, whenever
it's close in combat sports, who it's just a coin
flip at that point. So yes, I did not again.

(55:39):
Poyo got to split the split decision against uh Russell previously,
and then you know he kind of edges one here too.
But I didn't think it was some kind of I
saw some people being like, this is a travesty. I
didn't think it was a travesty.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, and you can have a unification fight rematch now
with Russell and Poeo. Also unbeaten one hundred and fifty
four pounder, the twenty four year old Johannis Taus of
Cuba look great against Jay Rock. He's ten and oh luke,
he would get the decision here. I feel like he's
ready for a title shot, like right now, like this
kid is legit looking to me? Are you gonna talk

(56:09):
me off the legend? All? Or were you impressed?

Speaker 1 (56:11):
What did you think of Jay Rock?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Didn't throw enough punches, gave a veteran performance. Tried to
expose the kid, couldn't. It's getting time. He's thirty four
years old. You know, he sees a gatekeeper now. But
but I love the guy. I love think.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I thought Jay Rock boxed for like as a crafty veteran.
I thought, you know, he kept himself safe as possible,
tried to go where he could, tried to find his
spots where he could, and it just wasn't enough, and
ultimately he succumbed. So it's a nice performance by theeas
but at the same time, I need to see a

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little bit more.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
All right, all right, a fun division there at one
fifty four, and if you missed it in Puerto Rico
over the weekend on his own symbrio, Matteas did get
his second consecutive victory after losing the title, stopping Gabriel
Valenzuela the eighth round. But one thing I forgot about
Luke Supral Mattias has knocked out every single opponent he's beaten.
He's twenty two and two now overall, so he's still

(57:09):
a name here at one forty. It should be some
fun fights.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Last thing on Gary Ansloine Russell twenty eight years old,
like like La Nasardini MOVOVBC. He's in the prime. He's
in the in all seriousness, he's twenty eight years old.
Like man, he's hitting his prime and looking every part
of it, really excited about his future.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
It was also that that robbery in England with that
DQ with Patty Donovan that the internet was going crazy over.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Did you watch that?

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I saw the highlights or whatever that was floating on socialdo.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, all right, Luke. Shots fired across the boxing landscape
for sure. And speaking of shots fired, how about a
new segment here on Morning Combat, brought to you by
who by Quervo, and oh, by the way, right now
is a good time to enjoy that tequila that invented
tequila that we're talking about at Quervo. Our new segment,
we'll look at some of the more aggressive takes of

(58:00):
the week or moments right here, and we have a
tweet for this week's shots fired and it comes from
Saudi Arabian boxing advisor Turkey Ali Sheik, who was in
New York over the weekend. I didn't see him at
the Barclay Center. I'm not sure he was there, but
he was watching the broadcast. He did fire some shots.

(58:21):
Here's the tweet from Turkey. If you charge people at
eighty bucks for the pay per view, you must give
them a good card with good production. I mean, I
worked on that show. Look, I thought it was pretty
damn good. But the expectations of your friend Turk one
eighty two over.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
There, okay, shots, firetime. Listen. I appreciate what Turkey is saying,
and I'm not saying he has no point here. For example,
just with a small bit when these guys walk out
with the rappers who are just pantomiming, I realized that
in the case of Davante, he had two thirds of
Dipset there, he had Jim Jones, and he had a
jewel Santana. But the point was it's just lame. It
doesn't really work. There's a lot of things that could

(58:57):
have been better on that broadcast in terms of the
production elle. But I will say this, the crowd was real.
They had did one of the highest gates ever at
that facility's second highest of all time. There's a real
market here, and in the case of Javonte and Lamont,
you obviously have two Legiti fighters. Although in to Turkey's credit,
he's putting real fighters on in his neck of the
woods as well. It's listen, you've got two different models

(59:20):
that are happening, that are colliding, and both have their benefits,
both have their downsides. I understand what Turkey is saying,
but also can we just say it real quickly, ABC,
you're charging twenty five bucks for pay per views because
you're just willing to take an l other promoters simply
cannot afford to do that. It's not realistic. Enjoy it
while you can, but that ain't fair to to the
state side who are putting on fights for an audience

(59:41):
that has to show up.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
And that was a great crowd. Chuck Minnenhall was there
with his son, more Ronalo's brother flew in for it
to see Tank. It was kind of cool to see
those guys there. But enjoyed that. Thank you over to Cuervo.
Shots fired, baby, that's what we're talking about. Let's go
on now the topic number four. What went down on
UFC Fight Night in the Apex and a new flyweight

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main event after the injury to Brandon roy Val did
not change the stakes for Manell cop who went in
there against Red Hot Asu Almabayev and would finish him
in within three rounds. So Luke Cop certainly moves closer,
if not right, on the doorstep of a rematch with
Alexandre Ponteljia and that long awaited flyweight title shot. So

(01:00:26):
I want to know from you what did we ultimately
learn about CoP's third round stoppage and is it possible
to separate the performance from another week of gratuitous ipokes
which led directly to cops finish of Alma Baiev, who
was trying to call time out, trying to alert the referee,

(01:00:47):
and ultimately Cop got away with it. I do have
a quote I can read from Cop that Fighting dot
Com transcribed where he said after the fight, that's not
my job. I didn't see nothing. I think the referee
should be more attentive. I've suffered so much stuff in
the octagon, so I don't know it was clear. For
what I've seen, it was good he could see me.
Good if he was not able to fight, and if

(01:01:08):
I think he was really stopping he was complaining about something,
I give him three seconds and I run back. I
just didn't do anything, so I fight. End quote a
little bit confusing the grammar there, but is it possible
to separate this performance and his climb up the ladder
from ipokes that weren't even caught by referee Mike Beltran
and seemed to clearly affect the finish.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
So I think two things in this particular case can
be true. At once. You asked me if did we
learn anything from Cop? Not necessarily in the newer sense
for me, given what he's been up to more recently,
but it was confirmation that, like, clearly this guy deserves
to fight for a title. And in fact, in the
post fight show they had Cop talking to a remoted

(01:01:51):
in Pantojia, right, So they were kind of just going
back and forth on that one. It seems like the
UFC was setting that up. I mean, it looked to
me he looked ready to be See he looks to
me like he's really fully kind of put things together
here a little bit. He has fast feet, good reaction
time in great sprawl. You saw that a lot. Alma
Baiah went oh for six on takedowns, right, had I
think that I got thirty seconds of control time, which

(01:02:13):
you know, hardly anything over the course of the time
of that bout like this was a you know, and
then obviously like the pinpoint accuracy on his striking, and
you know he was hunting down a literally fleeing Alma
Bai I have and I want to point out something
like at least in the ipokes or the scrapes anyway
that took place in the third round. A lot of
this came from Almabia, who was fleeing contact. Now I

(01:02:37):
don't know if that falls under the exact guidelines of
a fighter, you know, avoiding the fight, but you're actually
not allowed to do that. Of course, you can use defense,
of course you can evade, but if you're just straight
up running half the time, they I do believe that
certain jurisdictions and certain referees are allowed to at a
bare minimum warn you about it and potentially even take points.
You're not allowed to simply flee a fight. You can avoid,

(01:02:59):
you can adjust, you can around in certain ways, but
fleeing is different. And a lot of this happened when
he was reaching again in the third round, in particular,
when he was reaching as he was fleeing. I think
that goes to the story. But you know, listen, cop
looks ready. This guy looks like he's ready for a
flyweight title shot. He absolutely looks at whether he'll win
or not remains to be seen. Again, this will be
the first fight. This will be a rematch of the

(01:03:20):
first fight that he had when he came to the UFC.
Pentoja already won that one. But you get what I'm
trying to point out. He just looked like, Okay, we
don't need to be wasting his time with anybody else.
If it had been Reyval, it's a different consideration. But
we are where we are at this point. Give the
guy a title shot. He's ready at the same time, BC,
even if I can look at how they matched up,

(01:03:41):
and I can say, well, one guy definitely looks a
lot better at this weight class than the other one,
and I definitely can say that all my byev is
a good grappler, not a great one, and he's not
much of a striker at all, And that really kind
of fell apart for him here. None of that has
anything to do with the reality that this guy's eyes
got raked like fucking leaves in the middle of October.

(01:04:02):
I mean, there's really no way around it, dude. There's
no fucking way, dude. There has to be rules, and
those rules have to be accompanied by a process, and
the process here completely broke down. And I'm gonna say
it one more time. We went back to the old gloves.
Two weekends in a fucking row. You have a main event.
Where is it true that ipokes played a meaningful role

(01:04:26):
in the outcome or at least how the outcome in
this particular case was decided matter of factly happened. And
I'm gonna say it again, BC, I don't know if
the new gloves would have meaningfully made a difference in
terms of eye injury. I actually went back to their
announcements in April. The UFC did make some claims that
they would do that, but those weren't untested. I don't know.

(01:04:47):
What I do know is they went back to the
old gloves, which we know verifiably do nothing to solve
this problem. And I'm gonna say it one more time.
Look at the fucking shambolic state of combat sports where
in New York City you've got a fucking boxer in
the middle of a round, taking a knee and then

(01:05:07):
getting a space wiped off and nothing happens. Let's go
to the other side of the country with their sister
sport in MMA, and let's have a guy get raked
in the fucking eyeballs, and nobody in the regulatory apparatus
in either case appears ready to do anything the fighters.
I'm I'm I don't think that there is any legal

(01:05:28):
standing for what I'm about to SABC, but there should be.
There should be legal standing for the fighters to be
able to sue these athletic commissions. And I mean that
from every fucking fiber of my being, because they are
getting railroaded week after week, month after month, year after year,
and may I say decade after decade. Buy these fucking

(01:05:53):
incompetent do nothings who are simply unwilling to meet the
urgency of the moment with what has to happen on
the regulatory side.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
So there was an eye poking round two that Beltrand
did see, at least the result of when Albalbayev was
squinting and sort of covering up and they did stop
the action. There wasn't really a harsh warning. He treated accidental,
which it was. But our biggest point is that fighters
are still allowed to fight with their fingers extended still,
and I know that's part of the game. You're trying
to catch kicks or what have you, But Luke, the

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sequence of three consecutive ipokes as Almabiev was, like you said,
running away he was was so egregious. But I got
to ask you this, These were flyways. It's a faster
product cop was if I thought he was virtuoso against
Bruno Silva last fight in his flowing state, ability to hit,

(01:06:47):
not get hit, you know, not even wind up on shots,
to stick his arm out there and nail you. Is
there any chance that Beltrand we could say he had
a bad angle that he couldn't see it because you
kind of had to see the replay, and then when
you did you can see the extended fingers and that
cop is scratching and wiping the face of Almah Bay
have like three consecutive times, which led to the sequence

(01:07:10):
where he tried to call time out and then eventually
got stopped. Uh do we let Beltran off the hook
for that? Or or like what do you do there? That? Is?

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Are really? Those are really fast punches? Was that a
sequence where you felt like he should have seen it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Again? I don't think it's the biggest deal in the
world that he didn't see it, but that afterwards there
is no acknowledgment that the Again, sometimes you'll see in
the NFL is and this they'll take some time to
look into it. Let's say that they missed some kind
of egregious call. Somebody was you know, neutral zone and
fraction that should have been called and it wasn't, and

(01:07:45):
there was still a consequential play that happened afterwards, we
see you know this, they'll take a look at that,
and then they'll issue a report and then give it
to the public to be like, hey, we fucked up
on this. They won't change any of the results, like
whoever won the game wins the game, but they'll they'll
they'll make a note of dude, we're not even gonna
get that. We're not even gonna get that, we're not
even gonna get any kind of acknowledgment about anything, that

(01:08:07):
anything was mishandled, that anything or even not even mishandled,
could have been handled better. And by the way, if
you're at a point where you're getting multiple ipokes in
a fight, however accidental they may be, maybe that proves
that there should have been a point taken earlier. And
let's see what happens when you actually do that. Whether
I would love to see the data on what happens

(01:08:28):
where if a fight has a point taken for ipokes,
how many ipokes happen subsequent to that. I bet the
number drops off pretty fucking rapidly. This is my point, BC.
I'm happy to entertain we have to treat these officials
with some degree of forgiveness. It sounds like I'm not
doing that, but I actually do believe that it is
a hard job. But if you're going to be forgiving

(01:08:49):
of them, that means on the other end, there has
to be some kind of communication with the public, some
kind of transparency, and some kind of process that acknowledges
an error was and we're gonna do our best to
not do it again. Jason Herzog last week did that
of his own volition. He volunteered for that, and that's
why we feel better about it. But if they don't

(01:09:11):
do that, we're just left here. Steve Willis owes the
public something and I do think Michael Beltron is a
pretty good referee, whether he should have gotten this one
right in that particular instance or not. But we're just
inheriting a situation. Referees of the fucking mma world. They're
using the old gloves. There's no technological solution now or
eminent to assist you with this. It is on you

(01:09:35):
to do something about it. So I am begging you
do something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Well, look, what do you have to say about the
way the replays were handled with the ipokes here?

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah, So when he got poked in round two and
Beltron did stop the fight, they quickly then go to
the side referee to look at the replay. That referee
says it wasn't an epoke, so they don't even give
Almabai of the time to recover. They continue to fight.
Then the broadcast shows the replay. Dom Cruise is like,
what the fuck is that? That's a clear eyepoke. So

(01:10:05):
I'm a little more annoyed at that than i am
at the ones we eventually saw happen right before the
finishing sequence where he's running away. Also the stoppage in general,
I know he's running away and you got to defend
yourself and he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Was turning into the takedown.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Dude, he had a double leg as they stopped the fight, Like,
what the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Yeah? But also but dude, but dude, you can't lose.
He was gonna lose well that and you can't flee
your opponent, like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
I know, I know, but Chelsea Chandler did it against
Norman Dumont. No one batts and I at that, you
know the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I mean? He's like, hey, do you know there's inconsistent
reffing standards, And I'm like, yes, yes, I am totally aware.
But it's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
But back to that tank scenario of where he actually
could have been decyed when they wiped his eyes. People
forget sometimes. I know this is the case in boxing.
I don't know if there's the same rule in MMA,
but if you turn your back to the action at
any point in a boxing match for any reason, they
can call the fight at TKO lost right there because
you have stopped defending yourself. Now, they're not always that

(01:11:01):
like firm because it would be controversial, but like any
form of like I'm not looking at my opponent, I'm
not protecting myself, they can jump in and stop it.
So it is dangerous in either sport to run away.
It's not gonna help you. It's just like if you're
getting lit up on the ropes, you're behind your high guard,
but you're not throwing back at all, you also could
get the fight stop, so it's bang bang. I don't

(01:11:22):
want to I don't want to cook Beltran here. Yeah,
but I hate it. But with that said, I hated
the stoppage, and I feel really bad for Almabiah, who
I do believe was on his way to losing and
sort of figuring out where he's at because Cop looks
like a title holder right now or a title challenger.
I mean, he looks like he's ready. But damn, dude,

(01:11:43):
like to lose like that. You're also in the apex.
You're also probably not getting paid well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
What I mean. He's coming in a short note. I'm
gonna say this too, and it's not fair. It is
absolutely not fair. What I'm about to say is not fair.
I'm just saying it's the reality. If you don't speak
the same language as your referee, you got, you're you're
taking some risks. Yes, you're taking some risks because you
need the ability to both hear what they're saying to
you as well as to be an advocate for yourself

(01:12:10):
if you're a fighter in those really difficult scenarios. And
again maybe uh, you know, the same language won't save you.
In fact, many cases it probably won't, but there could
be a very critical one where it does.

Speaker 6 (01:12:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
And you know, to the Long Island Luke's point, like
where they're reviewing it and being like, yeah, nothing happened here,
and then you look at it and you're like, holy
fucking shit, this is quite obviously a problem. I'm gonna
say it one more time, dude. The fighters have to
I don't know what the fuck it could be, but
they are so at the mercy of whether it's the promoter,
whether it's the manager, whether it's the commission Dude, everybody

(01:12:44):
just takes from these guys and hardly anybody gives it back.
And the dispiriting part about it all, BC is that
I'm not even sure the fighters care about getting what's owed.
But I can just look at this situation and be like,
my lord, what an unequal uh, what an unequal segment
of sports? That that the power relationship between the fighters

(01:13:05):
and the sport itself. It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Like we always talk about a fighter union under the
guise of being paid the fair amount compared to what
the promotion is making. But this would seem a good
use of a fighter union to to you know, go
meet with the commissions and really push for rule changes
or clarity or some level of understanding higher than that.
But the other half of the story is what Cop

(01:13:28):
accomplished securing a title shot. I believe he did. You
did mention they had Pantosia on that UFC postfight show
and Luke. By the way, a lot of sleuths on
the internet saw that the lower third the cry on
there when Pantosia skyped or zoomed in. I'm sure not
skype Luke because they're going to get rid of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
That still around now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yeah, it said UFC three seventeen was the little logo
next to his name, So I don't know if that
was an error or if that was an extra sixteen
sixteen sixteen. Yeah, so is that that's the Newark card
June seventh. I want wonder if we're gonna see Cop
versus Pantosia too on that. But let's hear Cop after
the fight at the press conference talking about this potential

(01:14:07):
rematch and if you get that matchup, how different is
that fight gonna look this time?

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
They're gonna be very very different. I'm in another dimension
of the fight and his things being being good I
mean my timing, I'm being shown. I'm in a flow
states and definitely with the Pantosia, my salary with him
is gonna match very well, and I believe that I'm
gonna I'm definitely gonna stop him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
And you definitely have shown growth, But can you can
you admit that he's shown growth as well in this
time since then?

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Yes, but he's been very sloppy. If you see Pantosia,
he didn't finish hersick. You know, he didn't finish her sick.
And it's good, but it's not that good. It's not
that level. He's not the just beat him, you know,
so you should, you should, you should finish him, and
they become very sloppy of the third roum. You know,

(01:15:02):
he's been gets a lot of a lot of like
street fight, bully fights. You know, he stayed a beautiful fight.
What I've been show is a beautiful fights, a masterclass.
I've been dominate him. I've been show levels against my opponents,
and my opens was not easy openings. They they are

(01:15:22):
tremendous guys that come with the four wind streak and
knockouts like Bruno Siova. This guy was coming with seventeen
wind streak. Nobody wants to fight him. He's a heavy wrestler,
you know, so that's the reason.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
So look, these two fought in a non title about
twenty twenty one three rounds. Cop did tell me this
week last week that he would have won if it
was five rounds, but the scores after three were thirty
to twenty seven and twenty nine to twenty eight on
the other two scorecards in favor of Pantosia. That was
four years ago, though how much has how much have
the stakes or not the stakes? But the difference is

(01:16:04):
between them changed since then? And how excited would you
be if this was the next title shot?

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I think, you know, I I'll say this. I think
Cop is a deserving title challenger, and he as such
deserves a fight. I think it could go very differently
than the first one. I mean, Pantojia is also at
the peak of his powers, or it seems like he is.
I mean, every time I think he's going to fall
off because of all the wars, he looks even better
the following time. You know, like I've had a bit

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of a rough streak in terms of predicting his demise
and so I'm really not in the business of doing
that much anymore. At the same time, he is a
little bit older. He has a very different kind of
skill set than Cop and cops you know, sniper precision
and whatnot. Could be a big problem. But of course
against Makaia, have you saw that again? That was a
weird fight. I don't know, you know what lessons totally
to infer from that. But the point I'm trying to
make is it's a good style contrast. It's got it

(01:16:51):
because some rivalry. Cop will talk it up. It's the
right fight to make me see I'm like, I'm not
saying there aren't other good fighters or guys who you know,
are kind of in that conversation. But CoP's done enough.
It's a good fight, good rivalry, nice rematch. Flyweight needs
some of that. Let's do it. It's the right fight
to make.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Let's bring in our betting and bong expert Long Island
Luke at the main card minute, Luke, what do you
think the line should be if we see this rematch
in June.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
I'm still gonna favor Pantosia. I'd probably go like minus
shit minus one eighty Pantosa plus two hundred cops something like, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
That's fair, that's fair, that's that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Does that I f I go to a decision or not? Yes,
it does. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Interesting stuff you got there, Luke. When you look at
the rest of the fight night Card, I know you
weren't into the fight, but shout out to front of
the program, Cody Brundage, who likes our shit on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Listen, listen, let me tell you about let me tell
you about what Cody did. Cody. Cody put his balls
out on the table and said, Mice paid low tas
astana key. You know what I'm saying. He went out there. Listen,
those two guys, we said it. We'll we like Cody
on the show. We absolutely like Cody on the show.
But we didn't know if that was necessarily the best
UFC main event on paper, you know. And them two

(01:18:07):
motherfuckers went out there and just hammered the shit out
of each other's brains. And first Cody was up, and
then Julian came back, and then Cody stormed back. That
fight was probably the best version of whatever you were
going to get from them in that particular role. So
salute they gave you what they had. You can't ask
for more. I'm I'm thrilled.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Yeah, yeah. Shout out to South Carolina's Cody Brundage right
there getting that win back. What else did you like
on this undercard? Luke? I sawnas? How do you pronounce
that correctly? Nasrod hacked peass I afterwards it looked pretty gnarly,
but he gets a close decision win overall action, Esteban Ribovich,
did this move you at all? It?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Did? It moved you know what? Let's bring them back
one more time. Bong on, Luke, this is your thirty
seconds to bitch about this fight. What do you have
to say?

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
I'm only bitching because Esteban outstruck him by like twenty
significant strikes, a clear two to one to me. PC
just mentioned Nasarat's face at the end of the fight,
like if you're looking at you want to do the
old face test. I mean, it's Esteban's fight. I'm honestly
just salty about it because I lost out on a
parlay on it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
But I want to give a shout.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Out to Sam Patterson who knocked out Danny Barlow ended
that hype train didn't even get a performance bonus, kind
of wild, probably one of the best finishes of the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Night, and did it relatively quickly as well. If I
can be seen though, I'll go in a bit of
a different direction. First of all, Andrea Lee, six losses
in a row, I would imagine this is probably the
end of her UFC run. I don't know. I guess
we'll see you were.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Running for governor of Hawaii as soon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
If she keeps this up, you know it's up there.
As you mentioned, Sam Patterson having the great knockout that
was phenomenal. We talked about the Comaine. I gotta say
the opening bout on the card, Ramazan Temarov defeating Charles Johnson. Now,
Charles Johnson's storm back big in that third round. You
could even argue that maybe he got it two to one.
It was very, very competitive. But I hadn't really seen

(01:19:55):
much at all of Ramazan Temarov, and he looked fantastic, great, great,
great opening fight on this card. That was phenomenal. And uh,
by the way, Mario Pinto absolutely sending Austin Lane to
the motherfucking land all that wind and ghosts with a
two hitter, well really a one, but you know, Bop

(01:20:15):
Bop caught him phenomenal knockout by him, phenomena.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
You were loving it, Louk. Hey, don't forget people. If
you want more UFC coverage, and I know you do.
I hear the I hear the words. I mean, this
is a big boxing weekend. But this Saturday, of course,
is UFC three thirteen in Las Vegas. It is Poetan
versus and eliav. It is physive versus gay Chee two,

(01:20:42):
and it is pregame preview this Friday live eleven am
Eastern from Metal Arc Studio in Manhattan, bc LT. And
the man in the damn hat Chuck mindenhall, Yan Yen,
you're excited. Yeah, you want to be there. Look, let's
let's take down a couple shots of cuervo and have
some fun.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
What do you think I'll do it. I'll do it nothing. Hey, listen, Luke,
we need you to drink on the job, motherfucker. I'll
be there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Oh are you gonna bring Tuki?

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
We'll see, We'll see, because.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I mean, look, in different cultures, Luke, they drink alcohol
before the age of eighteen. They have wine with their parents.
Is Tuke gonna take a shot? I can't believe I
said that. Love, Sorry, Luke, let's move.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Yeah she's five.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Yeah, no, thank you very much. All right. Our final
topic surrounds a tradition in boxing, right from Oscrew de
la Joya to Floyd Mayweather to Canelo Alvarez. There's those
two holidays in Las Vegas representing the Mexican people, Cinco
de Mayo in May and Independence Weekend there in September.
But we're talking about this Sinco de Mayo in May,

(01:21:47):
where we won't see just one big boxing event. We're
gonna see three of them in consecutive days. With Turkey
Alosk having a hand, it seems to some degree in
all three. So here's what we do know. Friday, May second,
actually in Times Square, according to Ring mag and Turkey
on social media, Ali Sheik has announced that his own

(01:22:10):
pay per view tripleheader. We already knew Ryan Garcia versus
Rolando Romero at welterwait in the main event. We already
knew Devin Handy will take on Jose Ramerez at welterweit
in the co main event. As Haiti has given up
that title, which set up that Puayo versus Sandor Martin
fight at one on Saturday night, but Luke Martin Bacoli

(01:22:31):
versus fa Ajagba will not happen to open that card.
Turkey has added Teyo Fimo Lopez defending his one hundred
and forty pound title against mandatory unbeaten breakthrough artist Arnold
Barbosa Junior. And we have an AI created by Ring
mag look of what Times Square can look like where

(01:22:53):
reportedly you can't sell tickets to an outdoor event in
Times Square. So I don't know how we're gonna do this.
Uh do we have the picture that's what it could
look like there? Remember we did see that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I want to be clear, it's not gonna look anything
like this, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Okay, well that's what we got there. So that's Friday.
All right, There you go Saturday, May third from RIOD
Saudi Arabia and supposedly airing in primetime in the US.
You're gonna get Canelo Alvarez on I believed his own
pay per view uh, looking to unify all four one
hundred and sixty eight pound titles again when he welcomes
unhralded IBF title holder William Skull. I believe you're gonna

(01:23:31):
get a Haimimongia Bruno Serachi rematch in the Comaine, among others,
and recently teased is the idea that Top Rank will
run a show Sunday, May fourth from Las Vegas where
Niwa Nue will defend his undisputed one hundred and twenty
two pound title, not against David Allen Picasso, as those
negotiations have fallen apart, but Ramon cardenis a slugger from

(01:23:54):
San Antonio. I've called his fights on Showbox in the past.
It looks like he could be the opponent there. And
of course course the connection with Turkey is that Niowa
in a way assigned to Riad season and wants to
fight four times this year, including making his debut in
Saudi later in this year. Look, if this happens, these
are three pretty damn big fight cards in succession, three

(01:24:17):
days in a row. I'm not sure we've seen something
like this since UFC two hundred weekend back in twenty sixteen.
What are your thoughts on this kind of boxing craziness here?

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Well, I mean there's good and there's bad, right, So,
first of all, the Canelo versus Skull fight to me
is just a gigantic waste of everyone's time, Like I'm
just gonna say it out loud like that. Yeah, it's
part of the Sinko de Maaya weekend. That's fine if
you're a Canelo fan, you get to see him back
in action again. But for anybody who cares about halfway
decent fights, like that's a complete waste of time. The

(01:24:48):
other ones are kind of interesting along the way BC
and I want to make a point too, like you've
got Ryan Garcia and Tao Femo Lopez on the same card. Boy,
that is just a racist delight. I mean, you're gonna
get at every possible awful thing said probably during the
course of that fight. Week we're coming off of one
between Tank and Roach. I just want to point this out, Like,

(01:25:09):
you know Roach, obviously, in Tank they say nasty things
to each other, but I think in general it's within
the sort of normal boundaries of what you get with
competitive prize fighters. Him and his team carried themselves with class,
and I thought Tank didn't really mess anything up either.
You know you're gonna get the opposite of that. I
just want to point out that there are differences in
how this game is played and who plays them and
what that means that being said, putting it on in

(01:25:30):
Times Square BC is an interesting idea. We've talked about
this before and now you'll recall I've actually been to
a combat sports event in Times Square, namely Beat the Streets.
This is the USA Wrestling kind of like an exhibition
that they put on where they'll get like top wrestlers
from another country against America's top wrestlers and then other
stuff in between, and it's just a showcase to promote

(01:25:50):
USA Wrestling. Turkey is doing it, probably to promote the
Ring magazine or his boxing business or you know whatever,
but that could be really really fun. And you're and
let's be clear, you know, whatever else you want to
say about Ryan and Rolie and everybody else, these are
action fighters. These are action fights. These are you know,
in general, I'm looking at this card BC and I'm
wondering which one of these is gonna be the worst ones,

(01:26:11):
not because I'm expecting the worst, but because I'm actually
expecting them to be pretty action packed. And it's kind
of hard to know who's gonna pull up the rear
or so to speak, in terms of you know, delivering
for the fans. So like if you're trying to put
put a card together in Times Square. These are some
of the fights at least in terms of like on
paper or the ingredients, you know, racism aside, you would

(01:26:32):
put together to make it work. The one thing I'll
say is it bums me out. It bums me out
to no end that a pound for pound guy in Canelo.
Granted it's a you know whatever, he's trying to get
all the belts. I get it, but it's a waste
of time. BC. I freaking love Noia in a way.
We all love Noya in a way, but this fight
is on no one's fucking radar at all. So it's like,

(01:26:56):
how do we package BC the reality that across the
globe the Earth, you're gonna be getting multiple pound for
pound guys competing on the same week while basically a
free event takes place in Times Square. You gotta be
happy about all of that. But the pound for pound
guys B see not really pulling their weight, are they? No?

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
I mean, here's the deal. Is something It's supposed to
be a free event to Times Square one because of
the rules on selling tickets, So there's gonna be a
certain amount of space that spectators can Calm and Bleachers.
But that's a pay per view and I like these
three matchups. I like all three of them to certain
levels of degrees. But I get where everyone's saying, it's
not like this is Ryan Garcia versus Hainy two. This

(01:27:38):
is to build to that, and it's still a pay
per view. You know, it is what it is. On
that regard, there's a lot of thought that cardon Us,
who is a good fighter, does have power, maybe is
only in this spot because of his Mexican heritage. So
you can have a fight in Vegas on single Demio weekend.
So I'm glad that one promoter at least is trying
to take advantage of that. Yeah, it is gonna be interesting.

(01:28:03):
This is the second the Friday Night one in Time Squares,
the second Ring Magazine branded card that Turkey's gonna roll
out after that. Connor Ben Chris Ubank won in April.
So I hate the Saturday fight, but I really like,
I really like the matchups on this Friday fight and
where they're gonna go next. What do you think about
the news that we have heard overnight? Added to this

(01:28:25):
the fact that Jim Lampley, the famous voice of HBO
boxing that so many of us grew up with and
have beloved. He has not called the fight since the
end of HBO in twenty eighteen. He almost called that
Tayo Femou Cambosis fight that was supposed to be on Triller,
but then that fight fell apart. Triller defaulted on it
and and that ended up on his own. Turkey met

(01:28:45):
with Jim Lampley. They put out a picture and Jim
Lampley's gonna do play by play on this card with
Haini Garcia and Tayo Fimo. No word yet if they're
gonna go the full x HBO route and add Roy
Jones and Max Kellerman. I saw it. Al Bernstein kind
of pitch it out there on Twitter that he would
like to be involved. We've seen Jim of late. It's

(01:29:06):
great to catch up with him. I like that he's
making the rounds on media. He's got great insights on
the sport and the history. You think this will be
a big deal, Look, you think this will pull out
the nostalgia and the boxing fans to have Lampley's voice
back in Times Square with these big names on this card.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
No, not really, It's probably just a good will thing
to get on the right side of American boxing fans,
which is fine. I like Jim a lot, but I'm
just gonna say this, there's a lot of old motherfuckers
in boxing, you know, and to me, you know, BC,
you don't have to chime in here. I'm just gonna
make my point. There's not many chairs available for broadcasting

(01:29:42):
jobs in boxing. They're very, very difficult to get. They
take time, you have to be very good. You kind
of got to know the right people depending on who
it is. It's tough. It's real tough. What makes it
even harder is when, you know, you see a lot
of the boxing guys who just hold these jobs for decades,
and in part because they're really good, but in part
because this is just all that they know and it
doesn't really allow for a new generation and new crop

(01:30:04):
to come up. And I'm not gonna say easily supplant them,
but you know, for a natural handoff. So I'm happy
to see Jim back in the sense, you know, I
don't think he's gonna you know, I don't think it's
some scourge where he's taking jobs from everybody. But I
just look at you know, and then again he would
be doing play by play. You don't even do that necessarily,
bec But like I'm just gonna point this out, Like,
you know, this was the biggest assignment of your career

(01:30:26):
last weekend. It shouldn't have taken this long for you
to get that far. I think you've been ready for
it a very long time. And to me, what boxing
needs is a lot more fresh blood, not not the opposite.
Even if we can grant that Jim Lampley is probably
one of the very best, if not the best from
play by play perspective, to ever do it, and I
have I have total respect for him. But you know,

(01:30:46):
it's time for some fresh faces. And I'm not trying
to be a hater saying that. I'm trying to acknowledge
all of the new great broadcasting folks that are out there,
and BC, I think you're obviously at the front of
that pack. So that's just my view on the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
I appreciate those kind words and sentiments, and I do
have a lot of love for all those guys as well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
So we've learned a lot from them. We learned a
lot from them. Oh yeah, you also know it's time
to move it along a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Early odds have Roley plus four to eighty against the
minus seven hundred Ryan Garcia Devin Haney minus one thousand.
This is the one that popped me minus one thousand
against the plus six thirty Jose Ramirez. Now looke Hani
should win this, but he's coming off a year layoff,

(01:31:30):
a fight in which he was dropped a whole bunch
of times, the worst year of pr he could have had,
and he tried to sue Ryan Garcia, and he's a
minus one thousand betting favorite against the former unified champion
at one forty who still got something left. Yeah, he
did lose to Arnold Barbosa, but I don't know. I
thought that was a little bit interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
I think it's a little strong, but not that much.
I don't think it's crazy. I think Ramirez is a
little bit past it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Minus three thousand for Canelo to the plus eleven d
goal and then Tao will be minus three hundred Teyo
Femo against the plus two twenty Arnold Barboza. That might
be the best fight of that weekend in terms of
like competitiveness, and we don't really know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Yes, Ryan and Rollie is the one that's got the
most explosive potential, you think, but I agree with you.
Tayo versus Barbosa is the one that's actually got some
real legitimate, you know, talent between them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
All Right, that'll wrap up our five topics. Now we
get the opportunity for you to ask us questions, and
every Sunday night at morning combat on Instagram and X
we put out the poll. The poll. We let you
pull us. No, we pull you to ask us quest No,
it's your poll, and here's your questions, and we'll give
you some crappy answers. This one's called DMS from docs.

(01:32:51):
That's just disgusting anyway. Our first question comes from D
Sarge nineteen ninety seven and D Sarge Les Lucoffin says,
it's not your fault. Were born in the late nineties
and don't get any of our references, he says, except
for Francis. I think he's talking about Inganu unless he's
talking about former Hartford Whaler center Ron. Francis shout out,
are there any heavyweights that the UFC could sign that

(01:33:14):
would inject some life into the division?

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
And I'll add to this that Tom Asmnall just put
out a video on a train yesterday updating and saying
he wants to fight Jones. He doesn't know what the
issue is. The issue is Jones, he doesn't know if
it's about money, blah blah blah. He's still willing to
retire Jones by never fighting him. But Luke, who can
they sign? It's the same question you can ask PFL
regarding who can you get to fight Francis? Who could

(01:33:39):
the UFC sign.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
BC Just noodle something for a second, right, I mean
are the names you could sign and a totally Mallekin
you could sign, but deem Nemcovy and though he's team
fad or you could sign him up or at least
you know, in theory soon you could sign him root Rugrug.
You know these are guys that eventually will come up
that you could sign, right, I mean it's not immediately available,
but you would imagine over time these are things you
could go after to point out something. That division is

(01:34:02):
in insane disrepair and they would rather let Francis sit
in exile forever then bring him back and reinject some
fucking life into that division. That tells you not only
the strength of their market position, that they don't even
give a fuck that that that the division is just
ass I mean butt cheeks right now, and they're not

(01:34:25):
gonna do anything to even bother fixing it, even though
Francis by himself, let's be fair, of course, could not
fix it, but it would go a long way towards
creating some potentially compelling matchups all the way around, and
it doesn't look like that's even something they'll even consider.
That says a lot I think about the state of
both the Headway Division as well as the UFC is
sort of control of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think the only answer to hear
is which light heavyweights can bulk up and move up?

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
You know that's where we're at. I really wish there's
a lot happening with TKO Global. We know this, right,
They've taken over pro wrestling, mixed martial arts, and now
we here the not the rumors we hear them talking
on the sales, call this idea that they're gonna partner
with Turkey, put out a boxing Prospect league and handle
big pay per views a couple of year. I really

(01:35:10):
wish the powers that be would look at this in
a non Dana holding grudge type of way, and just say,
look at the money we can make by by potentially
bringing Francis back. Now, look, I know he's under contract
right now, but like, whether it's co promotion, whether it's
signing him, I agree with you. What an egregious turn

(01:35:31):
to just be like, oh, that guy doesn't want it.
F him, We'll never talk about him or show him
again on camera, Like yeah, all right, great, Uh let's
go to question number two from j D. Roseman. His
maiden name, by the way, is Von Yeah, von Amsterdam,
by the way, he says, that's it's Jake, our guy,
our documentarian. He says, BC, did you get a good

(01:35:52):
smell of any fighter during the post fight interview? Who
smelled the best? If so? Always curious, I did not,
necessarily to answer your question, Jake, get any bad smells,
But while I am in my suit, it is interesting
as soon as the fight ends, right, I'm in the
ring ready to jump in an interview, oftentimes not knowing

(01:36:14):
the result. Although I did peep over Jimmy Lennon's shoulder
as he was walking into the ring and I saw
that it was going to be a draw, and I
was just like oh my God, like holy crap. And
then what happens is usually like the the sanctioning bodies
and the team they're trying to take pictures and in
my ear, they're like, get in there, it's interview time.
So I got to push people around, and I end
up putting my arms around the fighters and pushing them

(01:36:36):
into me, and that stains my suit full of blood
and sweat. Luke, It's part of the job. But who
smelled best this weekend? Not worst? Is Joe Goosen? Dude,
Joe Goosen, who we already know, great guy, Hall of Fame, trainer,
pretty damn great broadcaster throughout his career, the best dresser
in all of boxing. Dude, when he walks in a building,

(01:36:58):
you can smell that cologne know he's coming. There. Ain't
nobody like Joe Goosen. I had a great time with
him this weekend by the way, hanging out. But uh no,
I didn't, necessarily, Jake, smell anybody awful and have to report.
But uh, Luke, I'm sure while you were watching the
fights in live streaming, your office smelled like a you know,
like a sewage. Uh buttole, yeah, absolutely, there you go.

(01:37:20):
Thank you so much. All right. Our next question comes
from a regular in these parts. They call him Flannels
and JITs, and he says, how excited are you guys
for CJI two? That, of course is the Craig Jones
Grappling Invitational, And Luke, will you do a watch along
for it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
I'd say, what, I would love to go to it.
I mean, I don't know if that's possible with my schedule,
my fam, I don't have no I have no idea,
but I would.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Love you to work at it as a broadcaster.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Yeah. I don't think that's in the cars, but I
appreciate that. But nevertheless, either way, either way, I would
freaking love to go to it. I think it's gonna
be the same thing Thomas and Max center again out
in Las Vegas, and of course no ADCC this year,
so they've got free reign and I've been following Craig's journey.
He's back in Austin this week actually, and so I mean,
at a bare minimum, I'll have some live coverage of it,

(01:38:06):
But what I really want is to go. I want
to go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Great question here from Stick's Playtime. Louke, what are your
favorite movies to watch while deep in row eight.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
That's such a great question. That's a great question. You
know what I'm gonna say this. I think the best
movies to watch if you're high are movies that you
love but have seen a million times, you know what
I mean. Like, I can't do new stuff when I'm high,
because all of a sudden I forget it. I can't

(01:38:40):
remember what's going on. But the old stuff it hits
and then you just feel it, like that old memory come,
whatever it is, that old feeling comes flooding back. I
think that's the move. I don't know. Maybe you have
a different view.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
No, I agree with you. I mean, I'm gonna I'm
gonna play the hits, Half Baked, Tommy Boy, the First,
Harold and Kumar, here's a here a Days of Confused,
and here's a left field what. I don't know if
you remember it with Alec Baldwin and he didn't shoot
anybody in this movie Outside Providence? Do you remember that
that stoner flick from the late nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
I don't know, all right, you see, have you ever
seen the movie Glen Garry Glenn Ross?

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Holy shit, holy shit, we gotta watch that one too.
It's on Broadway right now with like Bill Burr and
uh yeah, have you seen the movie though?

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
No, But I actually just did a job last week
and they were referencing it a shipload and I had
no idea what they were talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Look at me. Put the camera on me for a second.
Oh wow, wow, camera ready. Coffee is for closers. There
you go, that's mine. That's why Glenn Garry Glenn Ross impression.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Right apparently, Luke, are you gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Know I have ever since I've had my lung issue,
I haven't vaped in months.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Nothing about energy drinks because those will kill you too, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Okay, you don't know what you're talking about with energy drinks.
I think it's only a problem if you get the
energy drin with the three hundred milligrams of caffeine. And
I have dialed all of those back. All of the
ones I have are two hundred or less, which is
basically two cups of coffee and a little bit of change.
Not that much, all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Right, Our our you know, our protector, the backbone of
this operation. Our producer, Matt Snyder says, great movie on
the Glengarry Glenn Ross.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Ro It's fucking incredible. It's very good, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
I'm not that cultured, Luke, so I fit in a
certain need.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah, but yeah, you know what though, You would like
it though, because there's a scene where Alec Baldwin goes
in there and starts fucking bossing these douchebags around, and
it's incredible to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Do you remember when we flew back from the London
Live show in Saul from Chasing Status gave us those gimmicks, Luke,
those fantastic gimmicks. Remember that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
What do you? Oh? Yes, yes, yes I do. He
reached out to me recently, by the way, he.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Gifted us the greatest a throw gift you could and
I had a fly from London to Dallas direct to
work on that showtime card. I watched the first Harold
and Kumar for like the first time in like ten
years and was like dripping crying.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Wow, Okay, can I can I make a confession? Yeah,
I've never seen Harold and Komore. Oh my god, dude,
it's my fucking up, a fucking up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
I mean, it's it's a it's a goofball Stoner movie,
but it's it's legendary in my opinion. But ok, all right,
Snyder says, that's peak Pacino. By the way, is he
in Glengary Glenn Ross?

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Yeah? Not only is he in it, he is insanely
good in it. Likener says it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Up there with his performance Incent of a woman, which
he is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
He's telling the truth. He's telling the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Yes, okay, all right, here we go, let's keep it going. Here,
we have one more. This is from Elvis Underscore NNG.
Can we get BC's current MMA strawweight rankings? Do you
need the uh we're talking fighting ability or we talking
Patreon show? What are we doing here? Luke? Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Yeah, hold, I want to send this in the chat.
I don't know if we have time for it later,
but I'm gonna send this to everyone later for later.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Okay, okay, yeah, So, I mean, what do they want
me to say, Luke? What do they want me to say?
Thank you? Thank you. I'll update my rankings for this
week's Brian Campbell ramble chat. So check that out. Thank
you very much. So that is DMS from Donks and

(01:42:13):
a reminder to reach the show Morning Combat at gmail
dot com for dead wrongs for fan subs and we
are trying to make fan subs great again. So it's
up to you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
I believe before we get into the ship Long Island,
Luke has done a solid and he's grabbed the photo
of Christian de Guero that we're talking about here Long Alan.
Can you can you pump that out there?

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Those were the trunks first of all, shout out to
Parking Pros, his ass sponsor. But Luke, we got the dick. Okay,
all right, so that's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
That's the that's the motto of Morning Combat. We got
the dick.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
We definitely do. Thank you Christian de Gero for always
wrapping us, whether you're training with Tony Ferguson while wearing
an MK shirt or just live in your life. Okay, brother,
I hope you enjoyed. Uh. I think he went out
for fast food afterwards, you know, a long camp, Luke. Right, Look,
do you have a favorite fast food? Is there one
fast food that that is the king in your eyes?

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Taco bell? Taco bell when it's time, when it's time
to go for the bell, your buddy makes that move.
I mean, yeah, you know, if we just five guys
in and out all that stuff, but Taco bell.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Look, should you perish before me?

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
And should there be, which is an inevitability.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
And should there be a you know, a ceremony where
people get up and give speeches about how great you were,
I will instantly recall my favorite times with you where
you're like, yo, b sit, you want some taco bell,
and I'm like, well, I kind of just state up
my store. You're like, no, no, you're gonna need some
taco bell. I'm gonna get some. Hold on, hold on,
And then seventy nine dollars later, we have every item
on the menu. As we're filming an old school RSD.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
I mean to end the time I've told the story.
After I did Rogan Show in October of twenty twenty,
I crawl because it was in the It was in
like it was I forget. We recorded it like noon
or something. So it was done at like three three
thirty four, and I walked outside. It was still daylight,
and my hotel was just across like not far, it
was it was walkable. So I walked back to the
hotel and I was kind of coming down from the

(01:44:07):
experience and I ordered I think, like seventy dollars of
taco bell, like any like the fattest amount of fat
guy has ever ordered from there. I didn't need all
of it because there's no way I could, but I
definitely indulged.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
All right, all right, great stuff. It's time for our
final segment, folks, unless Luke, you want to run that
thing that you put in there?

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Do you want to? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
No, I want Uh? I don't know if we well,
let's wait, let's wait.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
Okay, I don't have ready.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
I scoured the globe every Sunday to find viral videos
that will make Luke Thomas emo. This one's called have
you seen this shit? Now? Look the great Hua by
the way, the great Otel Burbridge even texted me last

(01:44:58):
week that, uh that scene I showed at the end
with the guy shooting himself to explosive Joseph A Bank
levels that was too far, he says.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Let me. Let me also say this. They're they're beating
our ass with this segment, where like half the shows
we do were getting shut down because of the nature
of how YouTube just polices copyright at this point, So
have we done our due diligence to avoid that today?

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Yes, yes we have. We'll only get fired due to
indecency today.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Okay, very good, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
All right, Look, this first clip gives new meaning to
the term run to daylight. What sounded like stone cold
just entered the building right there?

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
That was that was something here, Luke, you know what
we do on this I mean we've accidentally shown what
was it, up to three deaths on this segment in
the history including yeah, right, give or take that circus
performer new segment alert called faces of Death. Let's bring
it back. First, we got dancers. I just need you
to tell me if they died or not, Luke. So

(01:46:11):
they're performing, it's going great.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Yeah, they look like they're all having a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Nice dance troop. I think they call it right here.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Okay, well we just watched the death of fifteen people.
All right, that's a nice show.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Let's add them to our ar What do they call
that body count? Look? Is that what they call that? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
All right, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Now it's time for your deep dive of the week.
Tell me if you think this person perished?

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Okay, well that's not that's a thing that BC Was
that you in high school? What was that? No?

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
No? Is that a Bess fishing store? You ever go
to there? Look, there's best pro shops. There's a lot
of weird things in there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Like I have never been to a bass pro shops.
I've been. I've been to a million gun ranges and stores.
I've never been to a bass pro shops.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Our final face is a death clip goes out to
the golf course. Watch this, luke, four yep four?

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
All right, let's see what happens here more.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Like for.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
You old ass bit wow k one. Yeah, don't you
go dying on me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Look you remember when fan man interrupted bow holy Field too?

Speaker 8 (01:47:20):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Oh buddy boxing at its finest.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Watch this who brought the dick? Right? Look? Yeah, who
brought the dick? Luke? What is the soccer team called
mill Wall? Is that like low level English League?

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
I don't watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
You know how soccer stadiums have in the UK have
their own fan section separated. I'm sure they have South
America too. This one drunk fan from at the mill
Wall game entered the.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Opposing He's gonna get fucking dummolished and uh they're gonna
beat him to death.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
Let's see death of this, of this, of this You lasted.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Two strikes before they jumped your bitch ass.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Yeah, that was like me after the junior problem.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Look right, this is BC to his nutsack after the
event on.

Speaker 6 (01:48:21):
Saturday is wild?

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Time for your shirts of the week. Uh look, this
one probably be caught on you at one point. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Everything I love is illegal, expensive or Latino. Yes, that is,
in fact the way in which I have lived my life.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Yes, Luke, you never see a happy couple. They end
up buying like matching shirts. You know what I mean,
Like Disney World.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
I see a lot of those.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Yeah. Yeah, you ever seen this family at a Phillies
game before?

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Come in peace, dude, she was in on the bit.
I give credit to her.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
He was in look deep in. There's no question about
shout out to your Super Bowl champion Eagles. But you
can find some jerseys on the discount rack of ex players, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
What they got like Melvin Aguilar here? Uh no, my
favorite Italian player? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Yeah, yeah, definitely all right, great gift ideas for Luke
for the holidays. If anybody's watching.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
We fucking on the Cannibal course. Bet to know so,
I've got that on a shirt and socks. All I
need now is the is the is the uh? Is
this ship? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
That's gross, Luke. Can you rate this gentleman's form when
it comes to weightlifting?

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Those are some big ass dicks, very erect for me. Yes, yes, yeah,
he's on an earthquake bar. Well, I'll look at the
hogs just hanging buddy. I mean, wow, that is dude.
How would you even buy dis like that? I don't
even know. It's like we've got the monster trucks of

(01:50:02):
dicks like, I don't even where where do you get that?
Where does that thing?

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
I got to ask Big keV to find out where?
You know your boy over there? Let's go. Hey, Dustin
Poier showed up in a comedy show and they roasted
the ship out of him.

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
Go, I want to bite you.

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
Actually, I stay to you, bro. I know how to
take you down.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
All I gotta do is get behind the title.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
You'll never reach me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
Wow ten seven right there on? That is uh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
I give them credit. They went for it. That's how
you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot what this video is. All
I wrote down is I can't stop. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Tired, I cannot stop.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
I cannot stop.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Sorry, but not stop? My god?

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
You're right?

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
I mean the guy couldn't stop you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
That's how BC treats me when we're on the road
and I'm like, hey, BC, do you want to go
get dinner? His reaction was the same as that guy's
reaction who got kissed. That's his reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Uh, Luke, let's see our haircut of the week. I
don't know if you're into this. I don't know if
your barber offers this the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Head did they come with executions? Send this person to
Saudi Arabia and tell him he hates the government.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
Speaking of hoopers, Lucas, time to hit the hard word.
Check out this pocket rocket guy. He's our hooper of
the week. Watch this move, nice head fake. Wow, it's
like he was tossing a football right right into the hoop.
That was great.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Which MMA journalists can I compare him to to make
them feel sad?

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Mark ray Mundy, But he's an NFL journalists. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
I like how Mark Ramundy had to fucking throw that
thing like like a like a medieval you know, yeah,
like a high a lie or something.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Luke watched the ending of this youth basketball game. It
doesn't get more heartbreaking than this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
Oh, they stole it off the fucking inbound by Oh
oh no, oh no, he's gonna throw it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Is it gonna go in on that?

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
Dude? High schools full of stuff like that. That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
H do you know what the regional I'm a macne
is full of.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Losers?

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Ridiculousness. Watch this sequence.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Okay's getting walked down in Oh he ice the referee
with the rolling thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Indeed, indeed can't be doing that, abag for not calling that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
I poke Luke right, what could you be more out
of position, referee? Jesus bah damn damn Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
I don't know if you go to the arcades much anymore,
but the games are like, really mature.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
I'd go if that's what they had in my arcade.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
I wouldn't mind losing that game.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
To be fair. Yeah, ah, you guys win again.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Look you ever played double dutch as a kid with
jump ropes?

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Were you into that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
That was big in the mid eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
When I was a huge duck duck duck duck duck.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
But what happens if you don't have a jump rope?
This village solved that problem.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
This seems unethical. I don't is is Bernie is Bernie alive.
I am uncomfortable watching this. I have to tell you.
This is and dude, they threw him like hass bulla
fucking like he's yesterday's trash.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Look, do you mess with feet much? You know what
I meant.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
I just got a pedicure for the first.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Time, That's true. I always felt it weird that they
called the balls of your feet like it doesn't really
make a lot of sense.

Speaker 8 (01:54:03):
Watch this video and then turn the foot to the
outside and work the testicle area which is on the
lateral side of the foot again, midway between the ankle
bone and the tip of the heel.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Execute both of them right now, both of them right now.
Testicles of the foot is called the fucking heel. But okay,
all right, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
It's time to get flatulent. So we're gonna have some
fun with this. Okay. Speaking of taco bell, have you
ever have you ever had taco bell and then one
at the end? Right, you know what I'm talking about.
Watch what this guy did.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
When you combine all taco bell sauces into one master sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Dude, that's a devastation right there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
Right That's that's for amateurs. I can have their hottest
sauce and it does absolutely nothing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
All right, maybe we had the wrong store. Maybe that
was the Joseph A. Banks Posts.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Yeah yeah, I mean I completely demolished that one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
You ever get the samples at Costco? I've never seen
this one offered.

Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
I have you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
How are we supposed to sample this? Why is she
wearing gloves? I might take that into the bathroom. Now
I'm saying shit.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Uh, you know you remember that movie Eat Pray Love.
I think they're working on a song.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
Isn't it a book?

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
Yeah? It was a book Connecticut based actually, but let's
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Eat Shit and Die. You know what those are? Words?

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
I live by the author of that book. By the way,
I used to buy my Christmas trees from her parents
at the house she grew up in in Litchfield, Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Randomly enough, I'm always thinking of the Joy Luck Club,
which was Amy Tan who is the author of Eat
Pray Love?

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Elizabeth something I think I don't remember Warren. I don't know,
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
I could be a senator.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Oh yeah, Elizabeth Warren, the Senator. I don't know if
she wrote that book too. Anyway, let's keep the toilet
fun going. Luke, sometimes it can get rough in there.
Have you thought about installing this in your house? Oh? Sorry, well, yeah, yeah,
you might.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Need to, dude. My home is the fart room.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
Oh got it. Well, you could try this in your
actual bathroom. Let's keep the fun going. Those are for
motor homes, by the way, Luke, But I could see
you using that in your bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Dude. I needed that at Joseph A. Beck. That's what
I needed, and I didn't have any help.

Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
And if you really want to get big in the
toilet game, you'll you'll add in the bows speakers. Check
this out.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
Bo's noise canceling toilet wife. What do you want for
your birthday? Me? Oh, I don't want noise canceling at all.
In fact, I would prefer to have noise projecting. That's
the way you really dominate your kingdom.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
Long Island, Luke, reminding us that Elizabeth Gilbert of Connecticut
wrote Eat, Prey Love, Thank.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
You very much.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Finally, Luke, our final segment is about never forgetting. What
are your thoughts on this? Pakistan Airlines promo.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
Didn't have to be this way?

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
I agree with you, it kind of it kind of
reminds me of something.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
Right, yeah, a little bit. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Yeah. I don't think we need to be remembering that
on the show. I mean we you know what I'm saying. Anyway,
we got one more clip. Let's watch it.

Speaker 6 (01:57:17):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
Look at these sweet ass beery tires.

Speaker 6 (01:57:19):
We got this shit's fucking sig.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
Whoa, what the fuck? I mean? I think you know
that's a little insensitive these days, but that's the shit
of the week. I hope you saw it, all right,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
I saw this reel on Insta where it was some
guy being like it was like and it had like
the year written below him. He's doing a bit, obviously,
and it's like two thousand. It's like two thousand and two,
and you know, it's a question about like nine eleven jokes.
It's like, man, what's wrong? Why would you do it?
And then it's like twenty twelve and it's like, all right, man,
like you know that's funny, but you know, let's move

(01:57:54):
this along. And then it was like twenty twenty two
and it was just straight up hardcore nine to eleven humor.
And I was like, I didn't even know that was
a thing until Brian Campbell entered my life and now
I can understand the reels. Now I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
Yeah, that ended with that man opening a nine to eleven. Uh,
ridiculous souvenir store.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
Yes, yes, look what we have.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
Yes, like a spirit Halloween store of nine to eleven. Anyway,
that's that. No more morbid crap. That's it. That's it.
That's the damn show. A reminder that this great episode
of Morning Combat was brought to you by the DraftKings,
and of course the DraftKings. The crown is yours, thank
you very much. I have to pee my pants, Luke,

(01:58:35):
is there anything else you want to tell the people
outside of pregame preview Friday, eleven am Eastern, brought to
you by Cuervo b There.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
That's it. Be there live at eleven am in the
East on Friday. You me BC, Chuck Mindenhall. Let's have
a good time and not the biggest best card ever,
but it is poetson It's poetson fight week. Let's lean
into it and have a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
All right, I'm gonna soil myself long island, Luke, do
you want to say goodbye to the people at all?
Or you like already on the uh.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
On the end will be in five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Goodbye to the people. All right, thank you, thank you
very much for Luke Thomas, I'm BC. Take care of yourselves.
We love you. Thank you for tuning in. We'll be
back with some MMA this week and we're gonna hit
it hard until then. Gains loyalty and wipe sitting because
it's like what normal people would do and we're out
of here. Yeah, that's great.

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