UFC 313 Pregame Preview: Pereira vs. Ankalaev Presented By Cuervo | MORNING KOMBAT - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Revel.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Look at us now, timpted.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh do you want about using will be?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's time to beg Oh yeah, it's Friday. I know
you ain't got shipped to do. Get fired up. We're
in your face hole. It's morning combat ear least part
of it. Hey, we're back in this Friday.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
What's today's date, sir, March something something?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Hey, one day out March seventh, seventh, twenty twenty five,
one day out from UFC three thirteen. So welcome on
in to not just MK Friday. How about UFC three
thirteen pregame preview brought to you by Queer Voe. Let's go,
let's go. Brian Campbell at the controls right here. You
know this man as the iceman, Chuck Minden Hall, the
man in the hat from Yeah man from Yahoo Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
We will be seeing Luke Thomas in about ten more minutes.
He is a victim of Amtrak.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
This morning.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I saw that which the problems, which does happen from
time to time. Chuck, This audience loves you. Yeah, tell
them how you're doing right?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm doing well. You know what this reminds me of
There was a time at the mmy beat. We're waiting
on him, and there was a we had a skeleton
in the closet that we brought out and putting this
in his spot until he showed up.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Same thing he's had.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
This is this, This about fifteen years of problems with Amtrak,
with Amtrak.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
A long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Normally we link these problems to Luke Thomas directly, but
we'll blame it on Amtrak this time around, no question
about it. And Chuck, look, I don't should I have
to say this every time? Should I always have to
be about this disclaimer? I know what you're used to
on the other shows.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, but here on pregame.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Preview, brought to you by Quervo, we speak in one language,
and one language only real talk like men do.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Okay, So the most pregnant pause I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So you know it's not gonna be Oh, I'm sure
it'll be a fun fight and both teams will win. No,
let let's let's bring it today.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Ten seconds of dead air before that, I liked it.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
That was that was melt me, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
All right, well, Chuck, we might as well if we're
going to kick off the festivities one day out from
UFC three thirteen, which goes down of course Timo Berna
in Las Vegas and boyd we have a banger. Well
I just met her, so sir, excuse me, an Rby's
here of a main event for the light heavyweight title
when Alex Padeta, I like Ben apples right there, uh,

(02:51):
defends that strap looking for his fourth defense when he
welcomes maybe just maybe the final boss at the end
of the video game, Magomed and Caliev cannot wait for this,
But Chuck, we're gonna act like men here. Okay, we're
gonna get down a shout out to our our friends
over there at Quervo. And today's show, of course, as
you already know, is brought to you by Cuervo. Speaking

(03:13):
of Quervo, now is as good a time as that
ever to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. So Chuck,
the traditional El Tequila Blanco is our choice today.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Okay, let's let's get after it. All right, all right,
let's say what do we got here? Yeah, eleven eleven.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Nineteen, it's eleven nineteen somewhere right, yes, oh, right here,
right now? Okay, I made the mistake last time of overfilling.
I did like a double shot.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Chuck.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
You just say when Chuck, okay, keep.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Going six fingers, Come on now, No, I'm gidding. That's good,
that's good. Thank you, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
You gotta you gotta, you gotta promise not to stop
when I say when, you.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Know what I mean? She sang, I just want to
say that we have not had shots before.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
We know we haven't. Shots have not been fired yet,
but they will be.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Chuck.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Uh, we normally do the Colombian sign of the cross
pendejo abarrijo Uh ask him laf incorporated. You know we're
gonna do it, so, uh, Chuck, let's chose to divorce moms?
Great MMA, anything else?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think that covers. Wow, so smooth.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
That is a smooth tra smoother than MMA fighters on
comedy stages.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
That was pretty smooth. That was pretty smooth, right.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
There, Chuck. As we look at this, as we take
a a a one hundred yard glance, is that even
a thing? At UFC one three one three. I've been
the harsher critic of the matchmaking in recent cards. In
recent pay per views. The March pay per view in
Vegas at some points has been almost a silent major

(04:52):
at times, right, big time fights. We love this main event.
What about the depth of this card? Can you give
it a letter grade? As we enter the pay per
view on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I think there's a pretty stiff fall off from the
two main fights and even the second the Cole Maine.
We've seen the fight before. It was a very good fight.
It was a very bloody affair, but we have seen it.
I don't know how much the public was demanding that
we see it again. It's always going to be compelling
with Justin Getchee, but there is a there's a pretty
precipitous drop off, I think in terms of casual audience

(05:24):
wanting to look at this. I think you've got a
couple of decent fights, including a good banger, you know,
with the roughy fight. I think that that that's the
right curtain trigger.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
But this is just that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm asking, I don't know. Is it the King of
He or not?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
You gotta go back and listen to the broadcast.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
It's roofy rufey. Okay, so that voice you're hearing Our producer,
director and bong enthusiast Long Island, Luke NCDA of the
main card minute.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know that I do know that guy.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, yeah, great guy, great have metal.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
So if I was to place a letter on the
card as a whole, maybe a B minus.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Very generous, very generous, What would you give it?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
What would you give it?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
You know, I'm tempted to give it, but that would
be that would be me hating. There's some bangers on
the store.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Here's some names.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I want to see the tarantula come back after the
sort of deceptive losing streak that he's been on and
a few bangers. Is it of the quality I would
want for a Vegas card March?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's just not okay.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
But you got.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Arguably the most exciting, most valuable, most popular fighter in
the sport. Maybe, if not popular from a commercial commercial
dollars standpoint, popular from the hearts of the fans. When
you're talking about Poeton Alex Pereira, and like we said,
maybe his toughest test definitely on paper, his toughest test
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We're about to really kick off this UFC three thirteen
pregame preview. Luke Thomas has entered the building from his

(08:23):
train delay. We got Tukey in the house.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Chocokay, see him. I got an eye on him.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
You know, I already felt him out, he said. I said, well, Tuki,
you know, join in on the festivities here.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
He's like BC, she's five, Okay, Okay, she's five, but
she's gonna carry that spirit, that fighting spirit just the same.
So shout out to our favorite dad right there, Luke Thomas,
who will be in shortly. So you go, B minus,
you can't overlook. Like you said that the Gay Chee
co main event is going to absolutely bang and answer
a lot of key questions in the lightweight title position.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't feel like we jingsimh.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
We do this, you know sometimes you talk about guys
and you say this is guaranteed to deliver.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
We do this with Gechee every time, and he still
does it. So I don't feel like you can't jinx
his fight right.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I would agree with you on that he tends to deliver,
even if it's one day it's going to end really
badly for him with a couple of knockouts and to that.
But but the way on the road to get there
is always exciting with that. Gentleman, would you say that
outside of the two out of Sognia fights, given that
Poeton in him at such a heated rivalry with a backstory,
that our excitement levels off the charts? Is this the
most excited you've ever been for an Alex Purer fight

(09:24):
in the UFC?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I think so, because maybe, like you mentioned, if we're
going outside of the the the easy fights only in
the sense of it casts major doubt. I think even
the handicappers have h.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
How they identify you on the screen there check the neighbor.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yes, I'm very close to him, actually not too far,
but just in the sense of basic doubt that I
think that they have the fight basically, it's a pick
them right.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yes, at DraftKings, I think they have poton as like this,
it's like mine right, So it's just.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like a slight edge, and I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I think that that's basically the kind of fight it
is because we just don't know how this thing will
play out. But I will say that given the thirteen fight,
unbeaten streak that Uncle Ab was on and kind of
his hands as heavy as hands aren't and when he
wants to wrestle, which isn't very often really, and that's it.
It's like it's a he's you know, he's shown he
can do this too.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And that's such a key storyline. Is he the wrestler
that people say he actually is? Has he shown that
statistically in the UFC fights? And regardless of that answer,
will he bring it out and polish it off and
utilize it as a weapon against Poeton or only if
he has to, because the criticism against him has often
been that he only uses the wrestling latent fights after

(10:32):
wearing down opponents, and that maybe he figured that strategy
out against Blohovich and their vacant title shot too late, right,
too late to save it from a scorecard standpoint right,
and it's certainly kind of killed any excitement that was
going to happen in that fight.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
There's the big subtext of this is that originally he's
you know, Uncle ab was basically saying like I'm not
don't worry about it. I'm not going to wrestle you.
I'm going to stand in front of him. We're going
to trade, which is absurd, right, you don't go against
a sniping kickboxer with that kind of and power just
in a straight up fight. But you know, you go
back and you look at what Uncle I have has
done in his last few fights. And I'm not saying

(11:04):
that he needed to don the singlet and do all
this stuff, but in his last three fights combined, two
of them coming against Johnny Walker and then in his
last fight against Rackage, only one takedown a tip. The
only one that he really went after it was was
yawn Yes, where he went after it for ten times.
We only got two of them, and it's not like
he's it's not like he's been killing it in the
in the take, kind.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Of waited until he chewed up Lakhovich's legs to where
that's like, you know, it's interesting. I think the stats
don't favor him as thirty one percent takedown accuracy a
good stet or a bad.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Stat I wouldn't think it is given where he's from,
and his name is Magamed, you know, and he is
from Augustine, and he is from Augistan. Given that, given
that information, I think that's on the low end, and he.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Averages less than one successful takedown perfect.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
He likes, he likes to trade.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Three of his last five fights, he hasn' even attempted one.
But has that been because the pressure that was put
on him from the Blakhovich draw, with Dana White calling
it boring, It felt like the whole AIM community put
all the blame Mamaga and not Plohovich. By the way, true,
maybe because Maghamed was the one dragging him down, just
sitting on him. He tell me he has responded the
knockout a walker. He pushed for a KO the entire

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fight against Wrackage. It is, so maybe that justifies the
lack of wrestling because he hasn't. He's trying to round
out his game and look more exciting.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I think that definitely plays into it. But I guess
that is the fascination of this fight. It's like if
you were if, if you're if you're saying, how am
I going to beat pots on?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
What are you doing? What are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
What's the one area that you're going to look at
You're gonna say, like, well, I'm gonna put him on
his back and take away his offensive weapons. And I
think that if he doesn't look to do some of that,
if he doesn't like to at least splice it in early,
it could be along, it could be an early night,
it could be he could be out quickly. And I
think that that's what if he's just if he's going
to play it smart, I think that that's got to
be the game plan.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Does it matter if we give ankle I all this
respect on the ground when he's never submitted, an opponent
is only lost he was submitted. He's not known as
having great taken though.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
You're talking about the Paul Craig, Yeah, I'm pretty sure
that was a thrown fight, like wait.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Thrown on the Houston, Alexander Kimbo's life level.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
It was like, in the last second, I think what
he did is UFC debut. This is just a theory.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, funny right now, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
But last second he gets you know, hail Mary gets submitted.
I think he putt a bunch of money on the
underdog in that fight and collected set him up a knife.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Little is this the quervo talking wild right now? But
speaking of wild, wild man a decorated father and as
we mentioned off the top of victim of Amtrak, his
name is Luke Thomas. Luke, Welcome to the show. We're
not holding anything against you. In fact, we're holding the
show up. We can't wait that you're here. Did you
get a haircut? It looks for the camera, it looks

(13:36):
one hundred dollars with.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
The camera, with the camera on me, you'll see you
he Hey, Amtrak, lick my balls.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Suck Hey, lo tas Okay, we do ask the most
important question.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Jesus, that's loud house toss.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
She's us. She's out there.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
She's doing great. Yeah, she's doing great.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
She slept for most of the ry big portion of
the ride up here, which is good because it was
delayed an hour.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Did you take her on the New York subway system.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
We did it, which, by the way, I took the
train which we get off at our normal stop. All
of a sudden, it just went past.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Thank you, my friend. It just went past our.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Normal stop, plus the one after that, plus the one
after that, plus the one.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
After that, at any point where she like, Dad, these
weren't the trains you told me about from the Marines.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, my daughter is okay.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
It was it was in code. She doesn't coded, joke,
she doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
What that means. But also she's.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Five, okay, okay, we does.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Also also, just in fairness with Brian, she's wearing noise
canceling headphones so she can't even here.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Now that's a very smart It does run.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Into Thomas family. I've been behind him at train station,
screaming his name and he just it's not.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's how I he's always you always have something in
your ears. Yeah, that's how I avoid riff raff. I
mean I don't.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
I don't want to be talking to you. Look, sorry, everyone,
glad to be welcome to the show. The way I
want to say this, Yeah, I think the three thirteen card.
Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm more than the messenger.
I think it's pretty.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Good, and I say I want to be a hater
and give it worse but better. Fight is the most
anticipated non out of Soignia Praier fight for me by far.
That carries so much weight along with the comane which,
after I stop being a hater, is going to be
excited and I'm looking forward to it. So yes, I
will agree with you.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Here's my It's.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Not the veiggest one in March, but it doesn't suff
fair enough.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
Here's my basic elevator pitch for this. Okay, obviously you're
dealing with less than ideal circumstances in the co main event,
but I think given the other options they had, this
is one of my preferred ones to your point, main
event unimpeachably good.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yes, the best poton fight.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
As you indicated, non is the addition and frankly the
toughest one. I mean, this is the most meaningful of
his light heavyweight rain by far.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
And here's the issue.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
I would say down the line, do the matchups themselves
have like that? Connor Ben, Chris Eubank. I'm gonna slap
you in the face with an egg rivalry. No, it
has none of that. But if you actually look at
the match itself, they're pretty good and also prospect prospect
Josh Van versus Race.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I like this optimism out.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I think i'd go a little higher of a solid
flat B. But that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well what that is. And Luke I did want to
remind you of today's morning Combat pregame preview, by the way,
is brought to you by Quervo, and Luke I would say, now,
I would say, now you need it's as good time
as any to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. Do
you have someone that which one we are having?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
The Blanco Blancos.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yes. In fact, I will go another shot of Arlene
Blanco right here if you're interested.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
All right, I bet you look creep.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay, all right, okay, tiny years behind those headphones over there. Wow,
that is a that is a that is a real talk.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
That's like men doing it right.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Oh wow, this is great.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
It's not a rough morning. He is, but but.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
He's you know, you're you've been mister mom this whole week.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
How hard it is to comb a five year old
girl's hair for a week string.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
And she always asked me, Hey, Dad, how come you
can't do the same hairstyles as mom?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Because I'm a dad. I've never doalt with hair in
my life.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
I gotta say, when we when we were, what do
you so when you when you get off a plane,
it's called d planing? Is it d training? I'm not
even sure this is barking on the train a woman
who is in maybe uh maybe like two seats up
from us, because we had to sit in the quiet car.
That was the only way we could sit together. And
the woman came up to us and she said to
my daughter, she goes, you're the best travel companion a

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person could ask for, which, by the way, is true.
Round of applause for the twobster. Everybody, round of applause.
She can't hear.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
She's watching Spider Man, Yes, all right, she a big
fan of of what like live action movie Spider Man.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
No, no, no, she's watching the Spider whether it's the kids,
you know, like the heads and everything.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
All right, guys, we're gonna get back into the main
event here. I want to I want to offer this.
I don't know if it matters, but it has been
a storyline especially I caught up with Maga Met and
Klia on my per s YouTube channel, the Brian Camp.
Catch that interview today. It's going up today. But you know,
I did ask him straight up about is it really
that no one has you know, if Poton comes from
a Hall of Fame kickboxing career, which he did, and

(18:14):
then climbs the MMA ladder so fast, is it that
no one has exposed his wrestling because they haven't, or
is it something else? You know, ultimately like that setting
him up, and he said, look, there's a matchmaking thing,
and he you know, he doubled down on that. He
wasn't afraid to play the heel. In yesterday's press conference,
he says they've matched him strategically striker after striker, avoiding him.
And while you might say on the surface, yeah, okay, cool,

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but like somebody could have exposed him along the way,
let's not forget one key fact. Malcolm Ed's been a
number one contender for a while. The same month that
Poeton fights number seven Khalil Rowntree and a matchup that
we're like, is that the next one number one ankle
I have had to go through and Alexander Racket, who
was coming off with two fight losing skid. So it's
like they've stretched this out in a theory as much

(18:58):
as they can, and they put this fight during Ramadan,
which is a big part of an Kaliav's sort of
pre fight narrative in terms of the challenges. He's been
breaking a fast to have water during training, but it's
been a major challenge for him. True or false here,
I'm not asking you to buy fully into the conspiracy
Theoryson's protected, but Poton has received every possible benefit of

(19:20):
the doubt in the build to this fight.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Correct. There is simply no denying it.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Not only do we know it's true in this case,
we've lived through other versions of this. I'll never forget
when the UFC made McGregor versus Dennis sever when the FRANKI.
Edgar fight was sitting basically right there. It's the same
argu Listen, does everyone get the same treatment with management? No,
I'm not here to say that's fair or great or awesome,

(19:46):
but it is a fact of life. It's just how
things go. There's simply no denying that they match made
Poeton in a favorable way through light heavyweight. There's no
denying that they waited for on Caliav to kind of
slowly cuver.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
And by the way, he also fucked things up.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
He was supposed to be if he was gonna be Blahovich,
he was gonna move to the front line. He messed
that up, which I think they made them lose confidence.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
And he got angry. He got into it a bit
with the promotion, and I think that didn't help him.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Fire fair enough.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
But here's the point I wanted to make. They did
the same thing with McGregor. Why because they wanted to
make sure he had just enough time to get his
wrestling where it needed to be. Because once you graduate
to the Mendezes and the Edgars and the Aldos, they
never fly agerb you know it mean that level of
the game, there's no going back, right, There's simply no
going back at that point. Poaton saved that company in
twenty twenty four, he said this week he's the face
of the company. I absolutely believe that in terms of

(20:33):
the fighters, Dan is the face of the company. But
in terms of the fights, that's absolutely one hundred percent true.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
No question in my mind.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
This is what they do to preferred stars at the
same time, as you mentioned with the Blahovic thing, he
kind of messed it up. And the other point is okay, dude,
fair enough, all that didn't go your way. This is
your chance to undo all of it all in one
fell swoop. You can get rid of all the unfairness,
all of the delays, all of the suffering, all of

(21:01):
the waiting.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
This is his chance.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
They're gonna They did it with McGregor, they did it
with Poeton, They'll do it with somebody else in the future.
This is his chance to upend the I.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Don't disagree with any of that.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Chuck.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
We before Luke stepped in. We're talking about the idea
is an Kaliv actually the talented, decorated wrestler that that
has been this pre fight narrative that has been built around.
I want to flip that on the other side and
ask you specifically what I just tease. Is it that
Perrera hasn't been tested at all in the wrestling maybe
beyond the Blokhovic fight, or is it that part of

(21:33):
the secret sauce of him transitioning from kickboxing to be
this great this early at MMA with Glover to Shera
in Connecticut in his corner that we would have found
out by now if he was a fraud, wouldn't we have?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
But you know, like with the uh you know, and
I did the reverse thing you did. I spoke to
the whole camp with Perrera and spend some time with them,
and they they mentioned and I kind of this kind
of echoes. I think your point a little bit that
they wanted more time, probably to train wrestling. And I
think that round Tree, that camp, they spent a ton
of time, a ton of time training wrestling, thinking he

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may shoot.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I also think it was.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
An eye towards what was going to be inevitable, which
was this next fight. You know, if you if they're
taking anything for granted, it might have been round Tree
a little bit. It might have been like, let's just cramped,
you know, let's just get together and start to work
on the things that we know are going to need
for both of these fights. And I think that they believe.
And Plina Cruz was one of the guys who laid
it down for me. He's like, you know, who's been

(22:29):
able to wrestle us. You can make the point that
nobody has really sold out to try.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I mean, what do you give Yon? He kind of
just bid time on the ground.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
They kind of do that mm A math thing where
they're like, you know, we beat Yan pretty handily. We
beat Yon, whereas Uncle Leo they thought Jan beat him
and they kind of we walked out of there like
old bj Penn thing like we went to the bar,
whereas when you know, when he thought, you know, he
went to the hogs and yeah, exactly. So it was
like they're kind of they're they're looking at it from
a whole different standpoint. Do I think that they're sleeping

(23:01):
a little bit on the the idea that he may
get wrestled? And I was there for a couple of
days at the camp. I thought so, I was like,
it feels to me a little bit like they may
be underestimating their real Let.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Me go back into that idea of is Ankhala of
that wrestler. We can show enough stats to show you
that he hasn't either needed to be or tried to
be that wrestler in a while. But if he wants to,
can he weaponize this? This is a central tension in
this fight. Do you believe that he can weaponize the
wrestling not just take Potan down but weaponize it enough
to win the fight. Based on that, Do I.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Think he has the relevant and requisite skills to do it?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yes? I do. I do think that.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
But he I mean they I don't know what they
called him in y'all's you know comments section, but in
mind they calling him don't alive he's.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
A fucking don Okay. Is it? Is it a little
fight IQ thing or is it just mistake prone or
what is it?

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I think it's a little fight IQ. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
I mean when you watch him with the relevant skills,
is he some like lights out wrestler?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
No?

Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, real quick we pointed out like in the last
he has one takedown attempt.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, that's three fights. He doesn't really do it that often.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Yeah, And again taking down Paul Craig, who kind of
wants to go down is a little bit right, you know,
it's not quite the same thing. Plus also like is
he a big two of five or he's not?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right?

Speaker 5 (24:12):
So, I mean alkalaiav is but not not Craig. So
I mean the issue is Kenny get him down. The
the what you have to think about is I you know,
I tend to think that what you're gonna see from poton.
If on Caliav even gets it, there is maybe up
against the fence, he'll be pretty good poton and then
maybe you know, a single attempt to like you know,
get his hips down or whatever. It's the chain wrestling

(24:32):
where I think he gets into trouble. And I think
that's where it is. He has gotten into trouble too
when guys like put one or two or three of
them behind learning how to chain wrestle guys who are
good at it, they make it look like effortless, like oh,
it's just obvious.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
You just go no, it's very very difficult to do.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
It just comes down to, like dude is on klaia
of the guy to pursue the fight in the smartest
possible terms. I gotta tell you, I don't have great
confidence in that.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Well.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I think one of the biggest holes in his game
is his calf strike defense. Like you can light him
up to the legs, dud there kicks.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
He was getting drilled for a minute on end over
multiple rounds, and I'm like, take him down about a
time he did it. He was The fight was a
little bit different at that point, but you know, so
much had been lost already and then of course they
ended up being a draw.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
And he wasn't effective for the first bunch until later
in the fight. Right, Like, so, but.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Would you say cash strikes are like a real secret
part of Poton's offense where he kind of puts you
worthy where he wants you to be to set you
up for that finishing shot.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
That could be a central tension point here.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yes, I think that they believe that they will be
able to control the range that way, like they'll be
able to beat him up.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I do worry like you.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I think the thing I was going to point out
with what you just said, if it's a chain wrestling
type of thing, does he just break at some point
because that you're taking away then his his his offense.
You're tying them up, you're making it boring. But if
he's smart, that is the way you get the title, right.
I think that that's the surest way if he wants
to trade, If he wants to go in there and
trade and try to knock him out, to try to
play up the narrative that he's more exciting than he's

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getting credit for.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I just don't see that ending.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
He needs to drop that subscription mentally, he needs to
go back to any means necessary.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Imagine.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
Imagine, I imagine I said that Poeton was fighting Cormier
and you'd say, oh, well, Cormie is gonna take him
mumb because the pedigree. But that's not what I mean.
What I mean is one of his favorite setups was
outside single had a high crotch, and then he would
pull someone out and then he would trip the post.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Leg and then he would get him down and go.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
If you could believe that on Calive could do something
like that, this would not be very much of a debate.
But it's like, I don't know if on Calive can
a even do what Cormia can do number one and
number two. Even if he could, is he going to
even This is the crazy part. Is he going to
even elect to do something like that. I'm gonna go
out there and stay with him and see what happens.
You think Cormei is gonna do that shit? You think

(26:47):
John Jones would do that shit? It's just fucking bananas.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
But this is the state of line heavyweight in twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I mean, I could see a scenario Anklive gets so
comfortable in his own striking if he gets out because
he's a South Paul, He's long. There's a lot of
things to like in theory about the technique in his game,
the structure, that the power that he brings six foot three,
which pairs well against Pooton. But you linger in that pocket,
I know, you know, even for a second, look at
what happened to Sean Strickland, Like that's that's what you're

(27:13):
up against. And if you are first team all donk,
then that could it. But on the flip side, what
if you pull out Pooton's gas tank from the very beginning.
I mean he he hit rough stretches again in the
first Izy fight, for sure. Now the fact that he
rallied the fifth round to knock him out is part
of his legend for sure.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
But like, oh, you haven't seen him putting that in
deep water like that, you know, really you really haven't
seen him in those in that type of situation he
goes five hard rounds.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I was sorry.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
There's so many like little red flags you could point
to within his camp. You know, he was in Australia
just a couple of weeks before and they said that
he was training over there, but I mean, straight up yeah,
and I mean Volkanovski. You remember when he started to
have his downfall. He did the same thing with to
Puerto Rico from Australia. He had a bunch of option
in his camp and he goes in there and he
gets blasted. So I'm not saying these are correlated, but

(28:04):
like in the that is a little bit of a
red flag and it's like, so he comes back and
I was talking to Golover about this and he said, dude,
he wanted he landed on Monday. By Tuesday he wanted.
I was like, let's do three rounds. He's back into it.
He's like, let's do five. He talks about him like
he's just, you know, this relentless force. And I was
around them a little little bit to see it. He
does go hard, but that's a lot to ask if

(28:25):
you do put together that kind of thing where it's
just the soul sapping like a can't we say that
as a general proposition?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
He's older? Was he thirty seven? Now? Yes? Yes?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
I do think though, and especially under coach Leno and
Coach Lover to share in particular, don't we agree that
Poeton is a fast learner?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Oh yeah, don't you feel that way.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I don't mean to parrot talk you Rogan style, but
the fastest when.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
You're talking, when you're talking about the IQ, I think
he's got a very high IQ, super high fight IQ.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
It seems like, again, I don't imagine he's going to
be amazing chain wrestler, even in the best of scenarios,
but as a general proposition for a guy thirty seven
in a secondary sport, granted a close one, but still
he learns pretty fucking quickly how to get the guys going.
So so to me, it's like, I don't know, man,
it's I think he's gonna win this one.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I got in UFC is ten and one with seven KOs,
He's won two world titles and he's defeated everyone.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
He was about to just mela like that's Saint Pierre's ship.
I mean, had a longer run.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Obviously he got Chaot in that, but it didn't slow
him down.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
And also the point you to the point you raised,
did we see him struggle with Bolhovich positionally in certain cases, yes,
but the only time you ever saw him in like
big trouble was when he rung his bell in the
first fight, couldn't capitalize and obviously closed the show, and
the second one that's basically fucking it dude, that's it.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I mean he was turning it on on Izy when
he got clipped in that final sequence, which is crazy too.
I mean, he he was this close to pulling that
one out, didn't.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
We used to say Bruno Silva, who took him, who
fought three rounds against him, exposed him, challenged him, and
him in that fight in hindsight, was the wrestling.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
There was some wrestling involved in that, but in general
Bruno Silva, there was definitely some challenging of his wrestling,
particularly along the fence line. But in general, I just
think you look at that poeton and then you look
at the one you get now, it's just he again
turns of fast learning, quick evolving. I feel like he's
way different than that. Imagine if they thought today, would

(30:27):
you have even the slightest doubt he's going to run
that guy over?

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Like no Yll, especially after crazy Is that just the
craziest trajectory Because I can remember when he was fighting
Izzy and it felt like he was just a kickboxer,
and you'd be like, man, he may be a good
matchup for Izzy. I remember having this conversation and being like,
but the other top four guys in the top five
would probably beat him just based on this information, Like, oh,
they would just take him down because there were a

(30:50):
lot of dudes who are very stout wrestling and things
like that.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
It's just change. It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
We came up because because I was sorry GBC, we
came up at a time when I've talked about this before.
I'm not here to rehash the point, but there was
at light heavyweight. Tito wrestled in college, wrestled in college
John and so the notion that a kickboxer wouldn't make
his way over was fucking laughable because he has changed
and the game has changed, but the best practices have
gotten better. Guys can make the trip, Guys like him

(31:17):
can make the transition quicker, and there aren't as many restaurant.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I'm saying, even though he hasn't faced a ton of wrestlers,
if he was delinquent in that area, we would have
seen it right now. So maybe we're not talking enough
about how quickly he learns and what he can add on,
because it seems to be there's like, you know, there's
always an an anti or counter conspiratorial or whatever opinion
on nim Twitter. But now you start seeing people go,
what if what if Poton's been working so much on

(31:41):
wrestling that he wants to take un Calith down. It's
not like an Calive has this noted decorated submission game,
even though he's got, you know, the full wrestling and
sambo background. Could we see that? I call it sambo.
That's what you say.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I could say it a little bit ra it is.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's like rambo, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I mean, I guess what sambo means. But okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I thought you can see that happen.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Can you see this happening? I could see that, like
the element of surprise a little bit. We talked about
this before. I could see this happening because he he
does have some you know, some guys in his camp.
I mean they were working it. I don't you know,
obviously they work on everything within that camp. Well, now
what are we saying here?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Oh man, I like.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
You in an effort to play a little bit of
the Devil's advocate again, I think this is Poeton's fight
to lose.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I do believe that.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
But we should say there is one version of this
fight where on Calia cruises. I don't think it is
the likeliest version now, but when he, for example, on
the first Johnny Walker fight, he fought like a fucking idiot,
and then in the second Johnny Walker fight, and granted
Johnny Walker is a pretty far cry from poetry, I understand.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'm merely saying the way in which On Calive approached it.
He just mowed him down.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yes, second one it was, and he tried to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Racket impressed.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
He did try to. He was offensive front.

Speaker 5 (33:05):
Foot, and Rackets is big and strong.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
You probably fought one of his best fights too, So
I mean, just given that, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
So there is one version where we're like, okay, Poton
can do this. Poton. There is a version of this fight.
Ronk Alive goes in there.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
I doubt he wins standing, but probably takes him down
or roughs him up or drains him and then finishes
him off later. I just I just want to verbalize
that because we haven't really given it a lot of oxygen,
and it's something you have to take seriously.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm going to get intimate with this square vo blanco,
but I want to know. I want you guys to
entertain this question, All right, win or lose? Is this
the last fight at two o five for Alex.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Win or lose? No, not win or lose no.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Because I actually would like to see him against Rocketch,
even though that's a three fight losing skid for that guy.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
So we got it, We got an Oldberg's got a
big fight coming up too. I mean that that was
a fight.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
If he beats if Albert beats Blkhovich, you.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
It just seems like, here's the thing. If Poton goes
in there and just demolishes him or a bare minimum
gets a really exciting finish. Yeah, I mean, I just
feel like the John Jones Tom aspinall gravitational pull and they.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Know it so fucking huge. But if you lose it,
they know it too. I mean they know, yeah, they
know that he's thirty seven. They know that you're cashing
in right now on anything that's like big that can
be out there. So if they got like a horizon,
it looks very nice. If he's able to get through
this fight, If he goes right through Uncle Ive, I
would be shocked if he didn't jump up there and
take one of the like whatever, the biggest fight he
can get it.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
I will tell you know what's amazing, Like when Connor
came through. I remember at the time we just take
it for granted now, but when Connor came through, we
were like, man, he's moving so fast. Everything's happening so fast,
so fast, how quickly he's building. But the truth is,
if you look at guys like Poeton and McGregor and
now to an extent Iliot to Poria, it seems like
the guys that have the best success in terms of

(34:47):
like I'm just gonna keep you know, moving the chains,
it doesn't actually happen slowly. It happens fucking like this
gotta capitalize on and.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So they're they're part of that mold.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Alexander, you sick you think that that? I mean, who
knows what the whole tk I think that we'll close
the show with some.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Talk about t k O boxing. But but Dana has
come out and specifically said I do not want any
UFC fighters crossing over. That's m m A. This is boxing.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
We're gonna keep it, Sayingana keeps his word, I will
say that. So that's yeah, he does. He does when
he said sex would never fight here again.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yes, I think win Or Lewis he's going up because
he's the He's the break glass in case of emergency,
and there may be an emergency soon because they don't
look like they're getting that bones versus Tom asking off.
I done right now. And I heard Jones manager talk
to Ariel, and it seems like they're waiting on the
UFC to raise that number to whatever they're I'm you know,

(35:39):
I'm doing the facts in my head, but getting to that.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Number that they was John's manager these days? Cow was?
Is he back with them?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
It sounded like it, unless I misinterpreted it was tough
to They had a falling out the Schaeffer and then
I don't know what happened Shaffer's with Canelo. Now he
showed up a Canelo's conference yesterday, which is which is interesting.
So what I'm what I'm really saying here is if
they can't get that, and now I don't know if
that necessarily means, then Jones gives up the title and says,
I'm done to defending the title. That's not the lane

(36:07):
I want. Pooton is the antidote for that, Because whether
you plug him in for the title against aspinall, whether
you plug him in and one off against John Jones
and just huge, And I know we'll say, well, why
you know, blah blah blah, no one would want that,
or maybe you know we want Jones to go through Aspinall.
But maybe UFC is thinking, if we can't get that
and he's going to retire anyway, let's get the fight

(36:27):
he actually wants. Could you imagine if Pooton defeats Ankliath
and then if he stopped John Jones at heavyweight and
then that led him into the full title fight against Aspinall.
He won't be McGregor, he won't supplant Jones necessarily as
the goat, But what the hell would we do with
him at that point?

Speaker 5 (36:45):
It'd be like I'd be pretty major unicorn of him
three three belts.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
I mean, well, then he'd be the pegasus or something,
you know what I mean, Like, I'm not even sure him.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That optimist prime.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Uh, well, the Pegasusts would be the unicorn with the wings,
would it not.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I mean, you know, I don't really get into that
weird stuffy I have five year old media.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
He'd like a meteor pedasigh or a big deal.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
In my house, I will say He would be the
the most unlikely thing we've ever seen in m M A.
I mean to come in from a glory kickboxing, you know,
so many fights in that and then to come over
here as kind of a b side to israel I
sent and to end up a three belt champion.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
And who said it? Who said it on our show?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I think Luke said it?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
No, he did? You know that the smarter we're talking about,
Oh yea, yeah, we're talking about say, yes, this is
the poetons.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
But that was I mean, that was that was a
little bit. That's pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Is he heard that because he was saying like he
kept using that story analogy too.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
But yeah, I'm sure he did. But he pays attention
to you, I mean he doesn't pay attention.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
But uh yeah, but I mean if he did that,
that's just such a that would be one of the
craziest things up or we've ever seen. This heart is
not the craziest. That was so insane it's hard to
actually contextualize. It's hard to make sense what that would be.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
The digerability is insane too, because if sorry, I'll you
have this. He would have four title defenses. If he
wins within a twelve month stretch and it would be
the most in modern history and only second to win.
That's I think had five in a year when they
were just needing him to move.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
That's the other thing, being as prolific for an escalating scale,
you know, going from like Madison Square Garden to UFC
three hundred, which is this big mega event, to UFC
three or three where Connor had fallen out and now
you have to make up for that loss. These are
this is such an escalating scale of you know, scrutiny
and like steaks for him to go through that, I

(38:32):
think that's why people really love him. He doesn't really
speak English. He just has the stoical stone face. He
shows up, yeah, trauma and he takes care of business,
and people are like, dude, this is all I want
from a fighter, and there's nothing to worry about. He's
funny when he's on social media. There's there's no no
racist rants, nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Because he's almost undefeated in the public eye for fans.
And I always say that about you and the m
M A s based the fans. The fans just love you.
You're undefeated. He's more popular than you, though, I will.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Say that I.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Forgot what I wanted to say, but it was definitely
inappropriate and awesome.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
You we're going to throw it back to him, What
were you?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I was going to say, did you guys look at
his UH player's tribune piece? Did you get I read
some of the key lines. I just thought it was
interesting that. I mean, you know, you kind of get
a sense of how he grew up. But I think
that we've heard this from GSP and a couple of
others when they use fear to basically become as great
as they do. He basically talks about how he's fear driven.
He doesn't want to be knocked out, you know, he's

(39:26):
afraid of the dark, all these types of things. It
was just really interesting because I think we haven't had
major insight into him through his whole run, but this,
I think, in his own words, it's definitely worth checking
out that piece because it gives you like a little
bit of a basis, and you'll only like them more
because he's just of the things he's overcome in his life.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I was going to ask you, considering we have headphones
for children, whether you thought po Aton whispers Shama in
the in the in.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Thee after he busts the.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Nuts in the Coit Deal proceedings right in.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
The I gotta tell you, I haven't thought about him
busting nuts. I gotta at that.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Let's talk about our predictions. Let's bust some nothing.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
He's driving some nice cars. I think he's uh. He's
getting whatever he wants out there.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Very much is. And even if ankle I have won,
I don't think it'd be a death blow to the
promotion because Pereira's I think, is going up to heavyweight anyway,
and you could do an immediate rematch because of the
run there.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
And let's face it, as a very marketable fighter, don't
let's hit it.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Look, I want to know what you think here. What
like we I've been back and forth, man, I've been
back and forth. I get Pereira as the slight favorite
between the two, and this pick him. I do get that.
Ultimately overall, he can he could be. He could lose
four and a half rounds and end it. That's what
he is. Where are you going with this?

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Give me Poeton unanimous decision?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
So that means he's gonna spend time.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
On his back. He might.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
I mean, I think I think listen again, we're kind
of shitting on Uncle I have a little bit, but
like the reality is again that is why I kind
of voicted earlier. He does have well rounded skills and
when he's not making fuck head errors, he actually could
execute really really really well smoothly dominantly. Dude, you have

(41:05):
to take him seriously. I take him seriously.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Remembry front kick that dude and dropped.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
So I think, don't get me wrong, I think he
can win rounds. I think he can get this fight
dangerously close to I mean, I think he can win absolutely.
It just seemed. And also here's the thing. He's a survivor.
Like he made a lot of airs in that Blahovic fight,
but he also hung on after getting battered right doing something.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I think she she may have tried to escape, but
she may need you. Okay, I got time.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
What time out, Chuck?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I did want to get your take. Here are you
leaning in a certain direction.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
At the end of the day, my esoteric thing that's happening.
So I took I took Uncle iab originally and our
staff picks at Yahoo. But I the more I've seen
the lead up, the more I've changed my mind and
it's not just that, not just did that change anything
the press a little bit, because that's where I meant
by I say, it's it's almost like this this guy
who's made for big moments.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
He's out there with his chest out, he's got.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
His you know, the whatever, that rug thing he's wearing
like he just looks made for these moments, whereas Uncle
ive are like, we've seen guys shrink in these types
of spotlights when it comes down to it. We've been
talking about that acute. There is a little bit also
of like this what is this world I'm alighting into?
Not to mention the whole Ramadan thing that's going on,
I think if you play those X factors together, I

(42:22):
think it's too much to overcome. I changed my mind.
I'm going with Pereira. Wow, Wow, we.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Should probably have a quick creed break. Yeah, what's this fall?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I wish I could recognize it through your scene. I don't.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, Luke doing a great job over there, as a
dad shout out to him. In that regard, I'm leaning
poton by knockout.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Here, Okay, I am I could see this now.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I think we're going to see early what the ankl
I have experience could look like with sustained takedowns and
all that if but I think he's going to stay
on the feet too long in the wrong spot and
walk into the wrong situation. And I mean one of
the greatest tricks Perera has is he needs that much
room and that much time and the fight changes or
ends like that. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Who you are, Uncle I Have.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
If he wins, what's his method, I mean, like, what's
his most likely thing, just given everything you know about him?
Ground and pound, dry home ground pound, all right, I
keep you know when you're kind of envision it, like
if he's able to count, it would be a ground
and pound ending. But you could see a scenario where
they just get into it and he just whatever reason
lands that shot.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
It just wappens.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Because we've seen Pereerra hurt before in the easy fight. Yes,
you could see something like that. It just he gets
hit with something, gets caught, and then he's on the
ground trying to survive.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Granted both of those at one eighty five true true.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
I think that I think if Uncle i Have wins,
if it goes to a decision, I think it probably
favors Poeton actually, and then if he well, I mean
all the time can get stoppaged too. I'm simply saying, yeah, yeah,
I don't know. There's a lot of there's you know what,
I'll take that back. There's actually a lot of scenarios
in ways this could go. But I think the likeliest
of all the possibilities is Poton decision.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
That's how good is ankliv kicks kickboxing game to be
a threat to knock out with a high kick.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
This guy not that high.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
The thing actually, I think about when I look at
their kickboxing as we you talked about earlier.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Maybe you did the leg kicks.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Yeah, everyone's like, Oh, Poton's left talk the left talk
the left hook.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Motherfucker out his leg kicks.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
Well, he's gonna chew on Caliath two pieces. If the
unclive stands for any amount of time without some kind
of answer, If you.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Show up at the gym and you ask him to
kick you as hard as again, he'll do it. He's
one of those.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I'm good on that.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Thing, Long Island. Look, could you read the odds one
final time from DraftKings for this main event?

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Current odds minus one to eighteen for Poton, minus one
oh two for magamet.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Alright we go, here we go, fantastic main event. Cannot wait,
could go either way. Let's go to that cole main
event ten days notice Orrafael Fhaziv is back for round two.
Only he's been idle for eighteen months since injuring his
knee against Mitato Scamrod. He is riding will two fight
losing skid one because of the injury, and one a
majority decision loss to Gaegee when they fought two years ago.

(44:59):
So injury behind him and a lot has changed, it
seems for Geechee, who has knocked out face first in
the final second of UFC three hundred. Because of that,
Phazive now a slight betting favorite. So gentlemen were originally
gonna have Dan Hooker versus Justin Gaegee, which had probably
a little bit more stakes for both guys in terms
of lightweight title positioning. Which fight is better like? Comparing

(45:22):
contrast hmmm, PHYZIV Part two compared to what we were expecting
from Hooker.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I was into the Hooker thing only because he's been
on a roll and I think you're catching I've said
this before about Geichie, though, including the first time he
fought for Zev that he was probably in for that
moment when you're like, uh oh, we're waiting for that moment.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
We're waiting for that moment. We're still waiting more.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
We don't know if three hundred was that moment is
we don't know that. Yes, that happened so late in
the fight. He was getting pieced up in that fight,
although he said he thought he was doing He had
a pretty good fight up until that point. So I
don't know, but I think that the Hooker fight, to me,
had more of a compelling nature in terms of what
we had, what we don't know, or you know, filling
in those blanks, whereas this one becomes compelling on a

(46:02):
different level. It's an action fight.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
We know it.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Man, these guys they were almost even in significant strikes
and they were did you phys His face after that
was just a mess.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
It was, but he was eye poked. And he told
me when I talked to him this week on my
channel that it did play a part. It did play, It.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Did play a major part.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
But I would expect it to be honest, because both
guys are cut from that cloth, to basically be some
version of that fight.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I just don't know. Who comes out now? Is it?
Does it?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Does it change over to physique this time? Does he
have it in him to kind of outlast him through
this battle of attrition?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Did you say which fight you liked better though entertainment?

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Entertainment wise, it probably be. I mean Hooker brings it.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I don't know. It's just a Geechee fight. I think
both of them achie.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Versus everybody rules. So, Luke Thomas, the whole idea here
of Gai Chee, the whole surrounding is what we've talked about.
It is it past that point? He has said about
his strategy change that we remember when he became elite
and him and Trevor Whitman were just slightly tweaking to
be a little bit less reckless, more crafty. He got
all the way to the interim title and one half

(47:06):
strike away from putting Habiban peril.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I needed that validation on that. He said that the Holloway,
he said that the Holloway lost Luke was because he
was being too patient, too calculated, and he now wants
to return to the reckless caveman of old. How does
that change the second fight if that's going to be true?

Speaker 5 (47:31):
I don't really fully believe that. I mean I kind
of partly believe that, but like you know, you go
back and you watch. First of all, this fight's three rounds,
not five, so filling in on short notice is still
a big deal, but not nearly as much as it
would have been because it's only three rounds.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
So he was almost gonna rematch Gamra to open this year,
but they ended.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Up through or whatever.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
You know, Physive looked good in that fight for long
stretches of it. But the reason why Gaetchi was able
to storm back was actually basics.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
It was a jab.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
He just kept intercepting Physive with and not by the
way when they they when they when they were face off, whenever,
you know, the size comparison engage.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
He was actually much bigger than I thought.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
He would be relative to Phyz, which was kind of interesting.
But you know, he didn't he if he had gone
Caveman with Physive, I mean, maybe he would have won,
but that's the opposite approach of what got him to
win the first time. So he might be just saying
that shit in the media to deflect, or at a
bare minimum, there might be moments where he leans into
that or certain contexts.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Where he leans into that.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
But the reason he got as far as he did
was because he cleaned everything up. He had that Poirier
and Alvarez lost loss excuse me, back to back, and
he was like, Okay, I can't do this shit anymore.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I've got to be smarter about it.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
And that's what elevated his game, the notion he's going
to throw all that out. I mean, okay, I know
he's in the twilight because of everything and thirty sixth
and also coming off of a stating knockout loss, But dude,
like when he is thinking through problems and he's just
naturally who he is, that's the most devastating version that

(49:00):
you get. I just don't buy that fully.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Here's what I can't figure out. And tell me if
I'm out of line for saying that this early in
this segment. All I'm trying to figure out if we're
gonna get for Z by knockout of by this decision,
That's really what I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
He's already slurring his words. I just want to point
that out. Could you drive a car now, you piece
of shit?

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I don't think when you get the ISO shot. He's
been pouring them over here.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yes, I just said something.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
I think it should be his fight. But the thing is,
man Becauze gets hit. You probably went back and looked
at like this tape he gets hit like he'll take
He's just the same thing like he takes a lot
of punches. Brad Rydell was laying plenty of shots on
him in that fight.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I think it was in Australia.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
His boxing was good, but he was also getting just
pieced up. The RDA was having his way until he
was knocked out. It's like it's one of those things
you look at these guys and you're like every fight
he's been in, if you want to punch him, you
can off and tumble.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
There so, and to your point, in that third round
the first fight, Gegie was just jabbing jabbit.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
He was hitting it.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
It was hitting me, think about it. So then he
starts slipping. He starts slipping, so what does Gaygee do?
Fucking colarize him and then starts feeding him uppercuts and
he could he.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Had no answer for it. I'm like, this is what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Gayjy showed crafty guile like veterans to hold it but.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
This is what I mean, Like, is feeding a guy
uppercuts brutal as shit, obviously, but he was thinking through
the problems.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's what got him to win.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
I don't understand why you would change, Like, dude, that's
what saved your ass in that fight.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Like, I just don't get it.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
You know, No, I think he's gonna maybe he's gonna
show up and he's gonna fight. The only thing is,
I'm like I could see him, like you mentioned the downfall,
because he's fighting a guy who will just accommodate this,
and they're gonna do this. I feel like this if
it's gonna happen, it might. It feels like it'ld be
this fight.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I just feel like it's it's his it's his addiction,
it's his vice brawling and just just throwing it to
the wind and just wat.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Trouble women you talk about all the time.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
And he's like he's tried to hold it off as
long as he could, and he, like we said, he
got to the interim title and fought for the real title,
and now I think he's like, I know, I trust
this style better. This is who I really am. I'm
gonna go back to it. It's you know, if I'm
gonna have one more run, I'm gonna do it my way.
I think that's where his head is at Luke in
this regard, But he said this is a tougher fight

(51:10):
than the Dan Hooker fight. The second physive matchup. Even
though Physi's off and coming off as two losses, they
got him as the favorite.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Here.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Do we expect to see Phyziv come back from eighteen
months with a elevated game?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Let's see, that's the question.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
And also, like so many questions to your point when
you just raised all the physive questions, then on the
gae Chee side, you know, dude, I don't give a
fuck who you are. You get knocked out like that,
You're not coming back to the same guy. Not to
say you can't win the fight, that's one hundred percent
not my point, but like, are you the same after
something like that?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
You are not the same? That is a depth.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Again, ask when he hadn't been knocked out since like
two thousand that was the Dustin Poie I think was
the previous time, and that was.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
That was like, yeah, that was this was one. Just
like on your face. They have to get the smelling
salts and by the way, footage surface this week the
new top the time trying to wake him up.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Dude, it was bad.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Did you see that above the oct gun view that
they showed.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
I have to tell you, I have no doubt that
Gaigie's mind frame will be totally fine. But when the
when the striker starts landing, I wonder what's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
It's like that thing, remember, Like it's just like the
black spot became bigger and bigger. It's like every time
he was sit in it's like, Frank, I know, so
I wonder. I mean, I don't want to, you don't
want to. You don't love to prematurely say this stuff
because you just don't know. But if it was going
to show up, it'd be after something like that. I mean,
that was brutal.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
I mean, he took a lot of time off, which
is good he did, but you're not going to be
the same.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I don't feel like Fazev has hit his full ceiling yet. No,
there's been some Is there still time for that ceiling
to get to the championship?

Speaker 3 (52:47):
How old is he? He's like thirty two. I believe
there's a little bit of me that thinks we might
have put him. I remember talking with you guys about
him when he was coming up. He's on that six,
six or seven fight win streak, and he just looked
like such a world beater until he ran into Gaichie
that night. But maybe we over did it a little
bit with him.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Well, he's also reckless if he.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Also I remember when he would lean back.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, I mean, I love watching a fight, but it's
not he's never going to get an a word for
self preservation.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Let me get let me give a shout out. You
guys were watching MMA on point the YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Our brethren from the U Yes, Yes, and Jason Yeah Jason.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
So Jason put out a video I think last week
maybe talking about how if you look at the age
of all the champions and not just the champions of
fighters in these divisions, relative to ten years ago, everybody's older. Yeah,
there is something to be said about that across sports,
but it's especially pronounced in m m A.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
We had talked previously about all these sour.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Yukians, these physiques, these gam racks, They're going to push
out all the and the gay cheese, and then it
just didn't actually happen. Except now because Eve okay granted
unenviable circumstances on short notice and some other things time
off of injury. But you got a second crack at it,
and he is coming a horrible knockout loss, Like this

(54:11):
is if there's gonna be turnover, this is the line.
This is the moment right here, right now.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And that's what I think has acted so blessed and
happy this week. He feels like this was almost a
gift the way the timing worked out.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
And honestly, if he gets through, it does kind of
freshen things up. If Gaechie wins, you're just gonna be
recycling almost the thing you're talking about, where you're just
the same guys are gonna be hovering in that top
five space. It's very strange set up that way. You know,
like Hooker, if he'd come in there and obviously like
he's coming back from kind of being you know, at
the bottom for a little bit where he lost some fights,

(54:45):
all of a sudden he's re emerging. That's a storyline
they can you know, run with. But if Gaechie wins
the fight, I mean, it's just it's it just keeps perpetuating.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Honestly, if gateschy wins. Are they gonna do the Porea trilogy?

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Probably for a non title that would with the BMFI.
I don't even know if the BMF is over anymore.
Does it carry over? Is Max the BMF champion or
do we just arbitrarily take it off him and put
him somewhere else. Their second fight was for the BMF
with the head kick for Gigi. They just did a
BMF third fight. It's almost like a championship. He know,
it's a championship of our hearts because it would close
out the era. This has been the greatest all action

(55:19):
lightweight era we ever could have imagined. But I still
think those two make the best fights in this group
of all.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Let me just say this too.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
I've been working on a video it's almost done, where
someone asked me, could you name all of the best
fights by weight class, so all the best walterweight fights,
all the best middleweight fights, which is quite an undertaking.
Let me, I just want to point this out, if
you actually look at the best fights at lightweight, it's
not necessarily at all centered around who was champion, and

(55:46):
in fact, most of its centers around Dustin Parier and
Justin Gaegee they actually.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Have Alvarez is in there as well. I'm not saying
it's only those guys. I'm saying it's amazing. And Chandler
kept that that Street Channer's up there as well.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
But in either case it's either a Bellator champion or
two interim UFC lightweight champions. It's not actually the best
guys at lightweight that that have made the best fights in.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, I mean gsp is not trying to fight.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
Like Justin gai Chief, so you don't get this from
him the best welterweight fights. I just want to say something.
You know, Justin Geigee and Dustin Parier, they have a
very special relationship to the lightweight division for the history
non championship edition that they've created.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Who has a quicker path to the title with a
win between these two? Because Geigee you can make a
lot of sexy matchups. But does he spend like he's
reaching back in the rankings in this fight? Is he
can he spend this?

Speaker 5 (56:42):
I think if gai Chi mows him down, it's him
like could he be.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
A Tuporia introduction to lightweight? If Geche beats physically.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
I think if wins, he's gonna ask for Islam and
they're the same manager.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
That would be.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
You can just remember there they were talking about that
after Geechee knocked out Wario.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Theyor like and you might say Physivee has a longer run.
But there's so much turnover with these aging names coming
out that we're looking for someone like physive to insert
back in there. We need BSD to come back alive too.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Don't you think he's another one? He's another one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
When we were talking about it, like, it just seemed
like such a monster class coming up below. But I agree,
I think it would be ge Chee. I mean, as
much as I want Physic, he's still on a two
fight losing streak. If he avenges the one, okay, great,
but that's the camera fight.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
He got injured.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
I mean he was he is true And I looked
at the scorecards. He won the first round on all three.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Judges score true and maybe that's maybe the losses should be.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Well, now, look what are the final odds on this
from draftings.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
You're catching me off guard.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Give me a second of we well, I mean, you
know you turned the pornography off justin.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Gechee is plus one thirty right now, and Physicue is might.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
It's time to it's time to go there? Where are
we leaning right here? Okay, we're not going to hold
you to this pick for the rest of your life.
What is your heart saying?

Speaker 5 (57:51):
I don't think you can come back from a knockout
like what Max did to and give me physive I'll
say by stoppage.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
It might have to get in gnarly, but no, maybe not.
Maybe if he turns into chuckle deell, I hope he doesn't,
Please don't.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
It's the same here.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I think Physiva like he, I think this is the
fight that if he could circle any fight that he
would want, this would be the one.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yes, even with these circumstances.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
And by the way, give you even if you go
back and watch again, Gaigie did an marvelous job snatching
that fight back after losing it early. But even in
the third round, dude, Phasivue was was landing on him like.
It wasn't like he completely fell fell apart. It's just
that Geigee really surged. But if Fazev was still there,
he just didn't have a lot of great ideas. You

(58:29):
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solvable problem, it seems to I.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Would agree with you.

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(01:00:19):
hit the main event, We hit the co main event.
We did get out there and say to the degree
of that, there may be some bangers in and out
hidden in plain sight on this card. When you look
at the pay per view main card, what's the next
storyline you care about the most after the top two events.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Gotta be King Green versus hoofyfy yah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Earlier that was part of your dating ritual, right you
and Bell Yet Mauricio Roofie Hoofy was getting a lot
of rub on the embedded series too. He feels like
he's coming on. King Green is that old name. But
you make one era in round one where King Green

(01:00:58):
is always the most dangerous, you can get absolutely lit
up here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
We all know what's about to happen here.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Bobby Green, King Green is gonna put his hands by
his waist and he's gonna do this, and he's gonna
talk shit, and Hoofy is gonna do what and just
fucking and just fucking probably eventually style on him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Bobby Green is a I think I know he changed
his name. King Green is a very good fighter. Yeah,
you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Cashiers Clay earlier. I'm like, it's spent a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I'm not calling him.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Yeah it's King Green, It's King Green. Uh, but you
know he is older, he's got a million miles on him.
It's not like I think getting put to sleep by
by Patty is like there's a one to one correlation
about what like what hoof He's going to do. But
I just feel like, dude, they're setting Hoophie up for
a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Who walks in there with his hands down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I still think King Green has won more of these
kao's in them. I do. I do feel like it.
Did he get grand Dawson? Was that what happened? He
called it grand Dawson rant?

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Look, but Grant's got a completely different that's completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
How good is Hoofy Chuck? What have you noticed so far?

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I mean he looks he looks like a killer man.
What is it like? Four finishes or something like fighting
Nerds bro I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
Fighting Nerds two and oh in the UFC, and only
one was a finish.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
He did get a finish on contenders what I said.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Okay, but the one he didn't get a finished he
still styled if I have memory?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
So it was against lawn Top. I.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Actually, I'm not saying Bobby Green is gonna win here,
but I don't think it's going to be as dominating, don't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
I can see a case where Bobby Green's a survivor
to But I'll look back on the back on the mic.
Surely you can see the matchmaking here and what the
matchmakers are thinking, right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Of course, But I'm from a betting perspective. Bobby Green
could could steal this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Okay, yeah, fair enough, fair enough. I don't talk about
the Miles man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I first saw Bobby Green at the Affliction show back
in Anaheim in two thousand and eight, like fighting day,
and still remember that because he was I was at
the Inland Empire Weekly, which is a paper out there,
and he was from the Inland Empire. It's crazy that
he is still around in twenty twenty five, is still
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
It's a it's a it's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Crazy that that generation is now old and ancient where
you can link it back. Remember when Vitor and Hendo
retired in a somewhat similar time, when you're like they
touched back to like ninety seven ninety eight, like way
back to still have guys around that touch back to
the Cliction days. Feels like generation have been around.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
He doesn't get he's kind of unsung in that way
like they's kind of been around.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I think he was king the cage, like he was.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
All over the place, and dude, he had like a
I distinctly remember him fighting a strike force. Yeah, like
I remember in fact, when he came over to the UFC,
I was like, oh, it's a fun little addition.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
You knows it goes here. He has all these many.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Years later, so if he does have one left on him,
I would be it's incredible, as the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Story is incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
But can we also just say Jalen Turner Ignacio Bamunde's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Transition to Saner Division lightweight division. We got two fights
on this card.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
To me, this is such an interesting fight because they
both are lanky strikers, will to go for it. To me,
two things are different. One, Turner has fought better competition
now that's been somewhat inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
He should have beaten Moykano. He fucked that one up.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
That was a bit of a problem, okay, and then
you know the Green fight was obviously dominating, but it
was like a weird, horrible finish.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
That's right, jeez.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Bob Mondez is interesting because to me, he hasn't fought
nearly as many good guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Uh, And I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Has the same kind of on the fly creativity and
thinking through adjustment but ability.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Turner has the ability to read.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
And then change, reading and change, whereas I feel like
Ignacio is a little bit more just drive forward what
the game plan has and it has to force it. Yeah,
but Turner has been inconsistent a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I feel like, if you can defend a losing streak
of anybody, Jalen Turner's right now, he's lost three of
his last four, but the fight against Mo Kano looked
like he actually had a notho.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
He should have won that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
And then he gets he gets taken out by Tko
the next round, and then the two losses before that
were split decisions, and they were all against good competition,
and again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
One of them was Gamrod. Right, He's just gonna wrestle,
so this is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Top level competition, so it is he's a sneaky dog.
Long Onlanlue, Can I get you to share the actual
odds from draftings on this please?

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Plus one oh five for Jalen Turner minus one twenty good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I hate spiders and Tarantula's in general, but I like
plus money on this guy. Bajamond's has won five of
his last six. The only lost a decision to Ludevolt Klein,
but he doesn't have those names. Per your earlier comment
on the experience level, I think Jalen Turner looked like
he was coming on hit us hit a legitimate skid
where he had a reset learn some things, but you

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can explain.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
It to mention he kind of I don't know if
you've been paying attention Towa he's been talking about this week,
but just basically saying that he lost love of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
He's talking to r J.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Clifford and those guys, and he was, Yeah, he was
saying that he just kind of just fell out of
love with the game. And sometimes that happens, but you're
always like, can you get that back? And if you can,
I guess it's at a fairly young age. He's not
that old. It's it's an interesting thing. He's a six
foot three dude with like what seventy eight inch reach.
I mean, he should have advantages if he knows how

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to use that, you know, that range and everything. But
his mental space, I'm like, is he back, Like does
he kind of have that again? Because if you go
back and watch some of his other fights, I felt
like he was bringing a little more. I don't know,
maybe that was just in the hype of it, but
it seemed like he was hungrier fighter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, sometimes they go through the motions. It's part of
the maturity, right, He's only twenty nine. Still, I still
feel like there's some big wins.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Ahead should be in his prime.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Well, look, where are you weighing in on this matchup?

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
I like Jalen Turner plus money. I was a little
torn on it. It was initially like minus one ten,
minus one ten. Now that Jalen's plus money, I'm sided.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
What was it that U Bajamandez has fought at the sphere?
I was at the fight brought the crowd to life
because he was I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Mean, they were just going for it. Was first to yes,
is that that fight was?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
I mean these types of like that kind of mentality
just to charge for it, like you said, and just
kind of engage in a brawl.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Translates directly to let the rhythm take you over in Spanish.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Yes, yes, yes, this is what it's interesting, Which is again,
Bob Mondes is not He's not the creative striker that
I think Turner is. But if Turner's, to your point,
if his head's not there, he'll get fucking run over.
By contrast, because I do think Turner has a higher ceiling.

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This is an opportunity for him to really get right
against a non wrestler in a favorable.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Context. Great fight this is what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
Does Turner and Ignacio do they have like great rivalry
with one another? Was this one that are on a
collision course? No, but the matchup is actually pretty fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Kind of like to see the winner of each of
these lightweight bouts face each other next, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah, you down on that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Our other main card bout is in the women's strawweight
division thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I don't mind this final.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Well, thirty seven year old am the Limosh may be
on a skid where she's lost two of three, but
the win was against Mackenzie Dern and she welcomes. Let
me say this right, yas Min Lusino.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
Yes, by the way, twenty three years old, seventeen and
five record. I think something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
She's twenty two fights at age twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
It's insane. Just beat uh Marina, right and that was it.
I mean, she's legit. I think it'd be. I mean,
I feel like this is another one of those here's
the stakes being slid under the door for like one
of the younger prospects to come in and take to see.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
The Brazilian fighters, male or female. They linger late into
those thirties and you cannot count them out. They're different,
they're born different.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Luke Right, Well, here's the thing, Lucendo hasn't shown the
high level ability. In fact, she's that's a few issues
where you take someone down just lays on them. But
you know, at twenty three, it's like, holy fuck, like
you laid on this person because you just don't know
what you're doing yet. It seems like there's a great
opportunity to show some new skills, assuming that she's been,
you know, steadily working on it. So that fight again,

(01:08:41):
is that the most exciting fight? No, but it's not
some kind of piece. It's not some piece of shit
women's band someweight fighters. Just like I don't give off
fuck who's coming or going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
It's hard to figure out though, Like Lemosh is three
and three in our last six wins over Mackenzie during
Marina Hadriguez and Michelle Waterson good, that's pretty great losses
to Androdge by submission.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Standing was ending arm trying way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Lee for the title.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
That one, that's the one that everybody like because it
was so one side.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yes, you know, way Lee for the title over five rounds,
and then she gets subbed by Janjer Robud in the
last fight in the two, So all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Those are okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
She's not the best in the division, but she's a
little hit or miss, but the high end of what
she can do is pretty damn good still.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So this is a great test for Loseno and Petition.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I agree with you that also, I gotta say this.
Can we talk about the prelims or not? We will
in the second.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
We will in the second because Luke, as we talked
about Pick six from DraftKings, it's like Fantasy football but
MMA edition. So we're looking to pick our pick six
teams for this UFC three thirteen card, And like fantasy
let's say basketball, where you're looking for those well rounded
players that can give you points, rebounds, assists. There's the key. Yeah,
Kich fits that bill. There's the categories here for things

(01:09:47):
like fight time, control, time, strikes, takedowns, reversal sweeps. If
you win in the first round, you get ninety plus
points as opposed to winning later. So you got to
think of well rounded all round. But also people, if
you get a finish, it's gonna make them bigger. Luke,
when you look at this card, like who's who's a
top draft pick? When you're looking to make your pick

(01:10:07):
six for UFC three thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
I mean, I'm not sure how to answer that one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Presented by draftings.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
I'm not much of a better. It's kind of your
putting me on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
You look at it more of a of a fantasy
football type of way in terms of the different categories
that just laid out to you, Luke, like strikes, like
control time and all of that. I mean, I'm looking
in this case, physie will give you something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a good call.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
Okay, we should ask we should ask our resident smart better,
what do you think in reference to his question, how
would you answer it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
I mean, as someone who chose Unclelia in the main event,
we're talking control time, we're talking takedowns, I would lean
towards that. Also, like if you are leaning poets on,
he's probably gonna get an early finish.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
So you that way, good point.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
There's a lot of ways you could go. This is
a tough card to pick on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
You get points for knockdowns, you get points for significant strikes,
mention all of that. So I'm pick six in here.
I like ankle iv I like everything he's saying right there.
I like Phyzive here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Does it have to be the main card.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
No, it's the entire it's the entire card.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
So a little flexibilain.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
All right, You got your options right there for pick six,
brought to you by DraftKings. And remember I'm going to
pick my people, and obviously you got to remember that
with DraftKings the crown is yours.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
So that's pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
So I like my six in this case to be ankliav.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Phyzeve.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I'm going Jalen Turner here, and I like him in
this fight to begin with. On top of that, I'm
gonna go Curtis Blades. He's give us a lot of takedowns,
potential knockdowns right here in top end, uh, top control
in that regard. And how about Joshua Van And I
know Luke loves that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I talk about that that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Pigs six right there if it's right in my wheelhouse
for you, so, uh, DraftKings, the crown is yours. I'm
fired up. I'm ready to go. Now, fellas, now we
go below the five. You gotta pay for those five
fights these though, I mean you can watch him for
virtually free.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
Technically you can steal anything that feature the preliminary feature
is Curtis Blades, who I think we would all agree
if there is that demarcation line between the small handful
of elite heavyweights and then everybody else, He's still above
the line in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
Yeah, I mean, I know, I was talking with Clint
from MMA Diehard this week and he was saying, you
know how he's been knocked out five times, but it's
like two of them were Francis, one was Pavlovich, one
was Aspinall, and I forget who the other one was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
It was another heavy hitter or Derek Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
He's lost two of three by ko that is the
Aspinall and Pavlovitch fights. But around that he's got knocked
out Almida, which is not you know, he.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
Smashed Alistair overhim, Like dude, this was this guy risvon
Or the Rizzler.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
The Rizzler is coming off the two wins on the
Contender Sea.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I watched his fight with like a cockyail.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
First of all, if you got a fight twice in
the Contender series, that's a I'm not gonna say red flag,
but it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Bow Nickel and who's that guy that three times recently?

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
No no, yes, yeah, yeah. Uh here's what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
I watched this fight against who's the big donk over
in PFL that Francis smashed head.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yeah, I watched the fight.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
He just fucking held a fajada against the fight or
the fence for like three fucking rounds.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Man, there's he popped. He popped for literally every steroid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
To make it, we need viable potential heavyweight title contenders
because I know we're used to the title not being
defended much the less couple of years. But I'd like
to see the start to moving around, so Blades getting
a win here could fill that. Obviously. The Wrizzler has
a chance to really make his name with this fight.
What are the odds here? Long Island? Luke from DraftKings.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Last night I looked, I think Blades was around minus
three ten plus two.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I mean, the experience is massive.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Kunie has a little bit of hands, He's a little
bit quicker probably than Blades, but Blades has focked way better.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Gun and he's shot in such big like I think
seven of his last nine. I was looking this up
because for a guy to fall into the prelim's coming
off of a you know a idol shot. Essentially seven
of his nine were like headlining bouts. Yeah, I mean
he's been in big, big fights. I think that he's
got the huge experience.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Fit is Curtis vulnerable. Sure he should win this one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
He should, and they're actually giving him the opportunity to
get a win because we like I'm saying, like, what
is the hierarchy in your eyes? Separating Jones and aspinall
gone number one in terms of probably the next best heavyweight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I think blades Beat's gone. I think blades Beat's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Got and he's right there. I think you have Volkov
probably right behind him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Volkov's up there. Padlovitch still kind of hanging around Almeida.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I don't think it's completely done all though he's still I.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Mean again it's it's it's slim pickens. But I just
feel like people shoulit on Blades and again, he has
suffered some bad losses, I understand, but when you just
look at the tape on him again, I go back
to the Pavlovitch fight. You watch the Pavlovitch fight, He's
landing on Pavlovich over and over again. But Padovich is
just a big old Frankenstein, motherfucker, and he didn't go down,
and then of course Pavlovich hits him and he goes down.

(01:14:55):
You know, it wasn't like he wasn't doing really well.
This is a this is Curtis's fight.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Now and a Romanov will be in the season of
the PF.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Can we talk about how if Kooneyev wins in his
UFC debut, he will be a top five heavyweights.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
That's where we're at right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Okay, that is keep the drug testers at bay. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Let's talk about Flyway. Joshua Van who was humbled against
Charles Johnson has won two decisions since then. Armand I'm sorry,
I'm reading the long lot wrong. On the Ray to
Sura Ray Seruya, I don't know much about Ray Here,
give me, give me.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
The four standout wrestler winner of Road to UFC Super
Super super lopsided skill set has no hands whatsoever that
we're aware of. But here's the thing. He can wrestle
his ass off. Plus he has insane grappling. And here's
the thing. He will take risks with positions where he'll
gopher throws that you've never seen into a trip into

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a back take into some like all over the place
with this kind of thing. He's going to be all
over a guy like josh Van.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Josh Van.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
By the way, if you're striking averages in the three
strikes landed per minute, that's about average for UFC fighter.
Four is high, five is really high. Josh Van is
at nine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Wow nine. I said this on he fucking rainss on.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
You get an umbrella because here comes josh Van, just
fucking pouring down.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
Not only does he land nine per minute, that's the
most in the UFC.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Right, that's josh Van. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Here's the thing. A guy like that is gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Be constantly moving into you, constantly kind of taking risks himself,
and Suruya is going to find an opportunity to get
body locked, bodylock trips, get to the back, dude. This fight,
legitimately just on fear, pure fight terms, might be the
best one on the card. And by the way, and
by the way, people are like, oh, we don't ever
see prospect versus prospect.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
You got one, got one right here at twenty three
gar Brandt Thomas Almeida.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Back in the day, remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
They were both sluggers, but yeah, yeah, but I mean
in terms of they were very young dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah, they didn't usually book them like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
They were two alpha dudes. But you're like, oh, they
got to go through each other definitely, So Van twenty
three from me and mar don't call it Burma. Yeah,
for all you geography heads up out there, Luke, like,
are you fire? Do you see the future?

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Will you fight for a title one day?

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
In your eyes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Like it's it's definite? Or is this the test that
he's got to pass to continue that that run.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
Here are some issues with his game, and I do
wonder how much his power is going to be a
limiting factor. But he's so talented. He's so talented, I'd
be very surprised if he didn't fight for a title.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Plus, there's only like what twenty flyways, it's like five
guys too many, Chuck.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
When you look at the middleweight match up Bruno Fejeda
against armand Petrosian, what what what comes to mind? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Probably that's the fight right after that's done, is when
I tune in, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
What you're gonna wait for one to finish.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
That one is just dog versus Dokan, who gives it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Trojan has been stopped two in a row coming in.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
Granted, the last one was the bo bop, you know
what I mean? So, okay, he got hit with a
unique shot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
But you know what are we doing at Welterwait with
Carlos Leal and al Morono just banging.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Just just just giving guys fights.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Okay, okay, that's that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
No rivalry there, Yeah, there's just two dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
The early preliminary main event is in the featherweight division,
Francis Marshall versus.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
So that one's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
My Myron Sentos is the one that stopped uh what
was his name? Kofield where he hit him with the
one shot super young winner of the Ultimate Fighter Season
thirty two.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Look at You.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
Marshall is for Originally Kurt Pellergreno's guy went down to
att Grant Dawson took him under his wing. Here's the thing.
They match made Marshall tough. They match made real tough.
He had to fight Dulgarian earlier in his run and
it didn't really go great. This is an interesting test
of both guys. I think that Santos has the higher
upside a little bit quicker obviously much better hands.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
But on the other case, you got a.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
Good strong boxer, wrestler, American type kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
It's just it's just a great pairing. I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
The same division at featherweight, we're gonna get Chris Gutierrez
against John Cash the Natata. I don't feel Chuck like
you came here prepared to talk about this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
But Keston come off that Daniel Marcos lost the Peruvian kid, Yes,
and he got kind of bullied in that one. I
feel like the leg kicking of Gutierrez is going to
be a real big factory.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
You know, when you say we're going to keep it
like men or whatever at the beginning like that, that's
this is when we do right. Because you're like you're
in the deep at some point. Then just check out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
The curtain jerker, the curtain jerkers that middle way. Jordan
Robero Dos Santos versus Osman Diaz. Long you don't know
about that fight, don't act like you do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Osmond Diaz never hidden over one and a half in
his career, or maybe one in the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
First round or two.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Jordan Santos, Jordan Santos, real meat and potatoes kind of game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
But that might just be enough.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
There's going to be less people in the T mobile
at that fight than that. You at an apex of Card.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
Probably said, all right, what's going to win the fight
of the night, Sua Josh Fan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I just think it's a hard fight to talk too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
That's the one I was going to say, maybe the
main event to you never know, you never you never know?

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Good lord, I mean, you have potential for some really
good fights. I hope at Panza.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
This is what I mean. Solid B. Yeah, solid B.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
That's what I used to stay in college. I mean,
you know a big cup can work.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Okay, don't indulge him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, we obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Made Snyder giggle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Yeah, it's hard to pop Snyder. Yes, yes, right, yeah,
all right, we could have gone places with that joke
if you were willing. You know what I mean. We're
gonna get into T k O boxing in just a second,
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(01:20:45):
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Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
What is the fight that never got? How long is
this that you were supposed to get? Two minutes that
you wish you got? The UFC never saw usc. I
take me and George and you know, are.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
You done fighting?

Speaker 8 (01:21:16):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:21:18):
No, come on no, never, no never, no, God give
me everything, and uh I train you every day.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Of course you still train every day? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:21:28):
I train every day.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
What discipline?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
I training?

Speaker 9 (01:21:32):
Physical training every day, two days a week. I trained
in the has today, I train in boxing one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Day and week I trained with Have you had a
phone call?

Speaker 9 (01:21:45):
I'm ready, I'm ready.

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
So you don't believe in retirement, No, I don't believe.

Speaker 9 (01:21:52):
Of course. I have the different business I work and
my producing about movies. I have my my schools college.
I have the Killer Bees with my partners. I have
a spider teeth brain. I have a lot of things.
But my passion, my love is fight and that's I

(01:22:14):
keep ready. You know, it's crazy because that's I talk
to my friends, they say, you know, you know what
the special force in the army. That's the same. I'm ready,
you know, I just need one thing, just where my
opponent in the wait, that's the point. You know. I

(01:22:36):
train every day to this.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
So you still got your phone on just in case?

Speaker 9 (01:22:40):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Wow. Some guys have careers. Other people have a life.
They have got there's a fighting life.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
Right, This is what a juxtaposition.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Did you guys cover him early on like I obviously did,
But he would talk about retirement all the time when
he was in the thick of his career, like in
the prime, when the sixteen fight win streak.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
It's crazy. And he didn't speak English.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
This is like watching all the his development of English
is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
But I want to ask you about that, not that
I'm trying to relitigate McKenzie during speech history. That makes
you very upset, and I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
You're just being racist, That's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
I just wanted to say that he kept saying I'm weady,
I'm weady, like for a fight. Shouldn't he be saying
I'm heady, I'm heady.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
Well, it's kind of funny. Do you guys remember when
Nogera fought Randy Catour and then he beats him and
they put a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Microphone in his face.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
He's like, I gotta say, shouts to the legend Handy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
No, forget Jesus right, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Catur there it is. I met her in college.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
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(01:24:09):
UFC CEO and Nick Cohn, WWE President, will embark full
time into boxing with the money from Turkey Ala Chic
in Saudi Arabia. There's a debate here between whether it's
a league or a promotion, but from what we've heard
over a lot of Dana White interviews, once we got
past those early like endeavor friendly interviews where they don't
ask anything about the bottom elly act or anything like that.

(01:24:32):
But the news on terms of you gotta take it
as big guys. And when you're talking about shots fired,
how about this on social media of these two bohemoths
getting together for better or for worse. And we can
talk about that. But here's Dana White and Turkey Alask
putting that announcement forward.

Speaker 10 (01:24:48):
What's up, guys, We have just done a deal to
start a new boxing league with Turkey, who absolutely loves
the sport of boxing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
I am very happy today.

Speaker 8 (01:24:57):
I give the flag of boxing to the this man
who can handle it. You have a tough job now,
but I am sure he will be denivident to the
people and the fans. The magnificent du and get books
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Speaker 10 (01:25:11):
The model is proven to deliver the fights that the
fans want to see. The best will fight the best,
and the fighters will continue to move up the rankings
and become world champions. We will continue to make announcements
on where you can watch and all the rest of
the details on the business as we get closer to
the launch. I'll see us soon.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
So guys, it does like the whole distinction between promotion
and league. They're going to use the UFC model, which
is kind of your own league. They don't want the
alphabet titles. They want to launch their own titles. Dan
Rayfiel had a podcast guest of Dana White just yesterday
and brought up inside of Dana that is illegal, and
Dana said, yeah, we got to work around. In Muhammad Aliak,
we got a lot of things to figure out. So
there's a lot of topics connected to this, but it

(01:25:54):
seems to be two things at once. One, according to
Mark Shapiro of TKO, they're going to put on two
Grand events per year over the next two years for Saudi,
and the rumors seem to surround Canello versus Crawford this
September at Allegiance Stadium as the first one and then two.
Is this actual league with younger fighters coming in. Dana
says he is open to any fighter joining, but this

(01:26:14):
won't be a cold promotion. This will be just that.
And Turkey and Dana on a separate video went as
far as saying this. Turkey talking that they will crush
the competition together when they presumably kick off this league
next year. But the competition or all the other promoted
they were just one under the reals in banner. So
there's a lot to get into here. This is supposed
to be a quick reaction. But Luke, first and foremost,

(01:26:37):
what do we make of this? It's monumental for sure,
it's a major announcement. How quickly can they do it?
Is their vision? Is it gonna work? What do you
got for me?

Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
I mean, this is so many different parts to it.
I would just say I think it's as a general proposition.
You know, we've been here watching Dana White build UFC
for a long time. I certainly have issues in ways
I don't see the world like him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
But it's a little foolish.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
To bet against him, I think, or at least to
bet against what is possible.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
You gotta keep nick On and ari Emanuel in that
conversation like this is a super power.

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
These are These are not losers. These are these are
guys that you know, again, I don't always like what
they do, but they tend to get what they want
out of things, and you kind of have to acknowledge that. Nevertheless,
they do face some interesting hurdles.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
I don't know what's going to happen to the.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Aliac I don't know if they can repeal it or
change it or amend it or do something to it
that's not it's it's a federal law. You can't just
overturn it with executive order. So I that that is
a huge component of it. But I mean, just here's
the thing. All those promoters, Queensberry, a Golden Boy, match Room,
sold their ass to give everything to Turkey, to take

(01:27:39):
big fat checks, and it looks like he's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Going to they and they called them his highness, his excellency.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Dana calls him shake Turkey with which is hilarious, but
I don't get it. It seems like that's what I'm saying,
like saying, is that what he's thinking She can shake.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
Just a different ways of things. So, I mean, there's
still a title involved there, but he doesn't call him
his excellency.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
I know not.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
But the point I'm trying to make here is you've
got the This is why antitrust in the is so important,
because they let a giant corporation develop in a sister industry,
and now they're going to leverage all of that power
not just for that industry but for the next one
as well, and now backed by again. This is not
quite true, but obviously it's fair to say that these

(01:28:22):
are basically basically the richest people in the world, the
Saudis themselves, and they want to take control. I mean,
everyone wanted to treat this like some kind of avuncular
you know, Oh, I'm just going to come.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
In here hand on money hand not money everyone ever.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
But they they that's only the beginning stage. Beginning stage.
They want to take control. To the point you raise
about titles about who they're going to get, I don't know,
but I will say this, it is delicious to watch
these guys who just had no compunction whatsoever about doing
business with a religious tyrannical government. Now it looks like

(01:28:56):
the tables have turned.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
They has Eddie Herds all about retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
And now Eddie Hearing coming out and saying like they're wrong.
I agree with Edie HEARDing where he came out and said, look,
it's fine that they're doing this. This could be a
great thing for boxing. And Eddie even said I don't
even know if I'll be involved or not. It doesn't
seem like you will be, Eddie unless you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Bend the knee enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
You're not gonna be you know, Eddie was like Eddie
brought up one thing. There's a narrative that Dana and
Turkey are pushing with this, and it helped when they
went on very friendly you know airwaves like like the
Pat McAfee show or First Take, where you know it's
not gonna be grilled on some of these other things
where they're presenting it as if boxing is dead and broken,
and you know in air repaarable and they're the saviors

(01:29:36):
coming in. But Dane is coming in with a strategy
that is basically a boxing strategy that he brought to
MMA to try to do things the old ways and
it worked because of the control he had. But he's
coming in with this narrative that boxing sucks when boxing's
coming off with some of its best years ever. I
think Turkey has made an error, heir, and I think
this is one of his first major errors that could

(01:29:58):
be a turning point. And it's announcing this so early,
and what I mean by that is this they announced
it as this is the new boxing. TKO boxing will
be the new boxing. Only TKO is saying like we
don't want the alphabets I don't know if anyone saw
the Canalos Skull press conference yesterday, Turkey was pushing away
even though that's a unification of all four belts. He

(01:30:18):
was pushing them away to have the ring magazine and
whatever ceremonial belt was across his shoulders. Is they're like
they came out, I think too aggressive to say the
future is us together and we're gonna crush everybody else.
I think they gave everybody else too much time to
now go. Wait, we were fine, as Luke said, selling
our souls when it was filling our pockets. We were
a part of the biggest fights ever, and we all,

(01:30:41):
I think, didn't really care as much about things like
sports washing and what Saudi's real intention was because we're
all getting as the trade off these really big fights
in the traditional promoters for the most part are involved
in them. Now they're straight up kind of telling those
traditional promoters you're out, and then a hear from now
these guys are coming in. So I think for people
that have been saying and they're not fully wrong, but

(01:31:03):
the people that have been parading there's been a shameless
group of people in boxing who have been parading around
that Turkey is God's gift to boxing, and there's been
a lot of great that's come from Turkey, there's no
question about that. But it was always in line with
But we're getting the best fights and the fighters are
getting paid and you know what, this is insane, it's incredible.
What about it when it shifts to now, we're going

(01:31:24):
to take the sport with the UFC model, and right now,
what is UFC matchmaking? I'm complaining all the time about
how watered down it is. We're complaining all the time
about the fighters not getting paid enough what they deserve.
And you're just going to force that that model and
that shape into the sport and then tell everybody, we've
taken over. Who's gonna wear your championships unless you can
get not two or three big free agents, but unless

(01:31:45):
you can find a way to sign deals with these
major promoters and bring these rosters. And it's going to
take a long time to build up that base of
fighters that are credible enough for you to be able
to look at them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Say father with the Saudi like as Saudi's money.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Right, But it's a UFC kind of making everybody conform
to this new way, right, is you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Think Scardela Hoy is gonna work for Dane White, like
you know what I mean, we think we think top
ranked you know, is gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Work for the milk Dale.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Hoyer has thought this through as like a grand strategy
and his role in it. He was happy to sell
off Ring magazine. He was happy to do They did
Latino Knight. Didn't they do Latino Night in Saudi Arabia?

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Yes? Like, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
I'm just saying I think this was almost a soft
heel turn by Turkey and he doesn't realize it where
it's shaking up things too much and not going in
the direction people thought. People thought he's actually unifying the sport, right,
you're bringing to you that last card, the greatest card
in the history of life, whatever it was, the peoples,
the last crescendo. To his credit, he brought to be
together the six biggest promoters in the sport. They didn't

(01:32:41):
give their best fighters ever, but we saw a very deep,
amazing card. People were rallying around that unity because we've
been so disjointed in boxing. This new plan is only
unity if everybody buys in, bows down and gives up
their fighters to them.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
A fifth belt. So now basically so it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Fit the belts if you're only adding a fifth belt
to what we're doing a six because now we have
Ring magazine here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Here's so weird.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
In that video, Turkey's like, Oh, Dana's gonna make boxing
great again. It's like, Turkey, I thought that's what you
were doing, Like you didn't. What have you been doing
the last.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Two I think anybody that looked at Turkey as boxing
Santa Claus is now questioning weight. He's not in it
to give us the biggest fights ever? Is he's in it?

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Because I can't believe the guy the country that executes
people for tweets all of a sudden wants to have
control over the thing. They're putting millions of dollars in.
That sounds so unlike.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
So I'm even though when the news hit I alsously
had the same reaction of everybody is, oh my god,
you have to take this seriously, Like you have to
take this seriously. These are the people that actually could
pull it off, and the money from that side of
the world is the money that can pay for it.
But how do they get from this rollout? Even if
they do? Crawford Canelo, and I'll guarantee you they're going
to do the best, you know, as good a job
as anybody could. That's what they're that's what they're all about.

(01:33:52):
But how do they take that to actually being able
to say we have the best roster in boxing. You
can put out really good fights and they I'm sure
they're gonna make the hell out of them. But if
you don't have those big names, how long will it take?

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
They told Sportico they're gonna initially look to sign around
one hundred and seventy or so fighters, So I think
they're gonna build from the ground up and then sign
from the top down. That's that's the model that everyone
tends to follow. To your point, I don't know how
far they're gonna get with it or how fast it
really remains to be seen. I'm gonna say it again, dude,
you're talking about a giant, multi billion dollar company with

(01:34:24):
also backed by Saudi money. This is a juggernaut and
a half. And again, do we really think that the
sanctioning bodies are going to put up a great fight
for their own future? Do we really think that other
promoters are gonna think this bob A.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
They might do it now. Don't you think that was
a that was a sign when Turkey's pushing away all
the belts, like it felt like it all played together.
Maybe it was random, and it was it was separate,
but it felt like it's all part of the world control.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
To be clear, there was a community note on Marcos
Bjagis's tweet where it was like, it turns out Turkey
wasn't exactly saying that, but it doesn't really matter because
Dana in the interview with Dan Rayfield was like, yeah,
we're not going to work with the sanctioning body, So
metaphor or otherwise, it doesn't really matter. But the point
I want to make is, yet, do I totally acknowledge
all of the points you raise about the headwinds?

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
They are real.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
The reality is, dude, we got here because one, we
let a monopoly grow in a sister industry.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
That's one.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
And also because the people who make boxing what it
is are shit bags.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I'm not gonna like boxing was perfect or fixed.

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
Or shacks who don't care about fixing the problems, And
so here comes somebody who's like, oh, I'll fix your
fucking problems.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
For here's the potential main difference. Okay, Al Hayman has
been seen at as good and bad at different times
in his run, and he's done very powerful things to
change the sport over time. But what did the fighters
say about him at the end of the day. Every
single time, they thank him for changing every times and
taking care of them and giving them opportunities. And that's
the same way people were looking at Turkey under when

(01:35:54):
he was boxing Santa Claus. He is paying these fighters
and great flying out legends, making it feel like I
love every part of that, the gala feel of it.
It's not bad at all. But how can Dana bringing
the UFC model into boxing still be about the fighters.
I'm sure some big name fighters are going to sign
with them and get big money up front. Like I'm
not doubting that it's Turkey putting in the money. But

(01:36:16):
you saw you, guys probably saw. I interviewed Kenelo yesterday
on CBS Sports HQ and asked him his thoughts on
TKO and Dana coming in. His answer was basically built around, Hey,
if it's good for if it's better for the fighters,
good for the fighters, I'm all in. They're going to
be good for the fighters. If it's good for the
fighters then, Yet like he was all about like, yeah,
I want promoters that come in that are actually all
about the fighters, and it's probably taking a shot at

(01:36:37):
Oscar de la Hoya and I get that, But do
we assume that Dana is going to come in and
be about the fighters here?

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Well, if you look at the top one hundred paid
athletes of the last year on that list that came out,
I think for Forbes, right like, there were six boxers,
the least one on that the one that came in
like ninety something was in a way who hasn't even
fought in the United States and what how many years?
And there were zero MMA names on there. And I
think that that's kind of the that's kind of the difference,

(01:37:06):
is it. I don't think if you're following a certain model,
even if it's not initially, especially if they're using the Saudi
money and they're bringing in you know, like you said,
from the top, they're getting certain there's getting certain guys.
They're just gradually pushing it towards what that would become.
So the days of that happening of you having six
boxers in that list are probably limited.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
If that's the way it goes right. It's just so.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
Funny to me when people are like, oh, the UFC
model really fixes things, I'm like, dude, the model is
we just take the money and you don't like people
act like it's some fucking revolutionary idea.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
It's actually the old boxing model. It's the old boxing
model where the.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Promoters rip absolutely nothing revolutionary about it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
It just switches the power and the way they're just
changing there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
I have no idea how they ali act like, like,
what can happen?

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
What's going to happen with this? I don't know. I
don't know, but the way things are set up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
There, it is big news. But there's still so many
questions because what is the UFC model. The UFC model
is we have all these managers that are they want
to keep the job and are willing to kind of
lean UFC's way in a lot of these situations. Are
all these lead promoters going to become boxing essentially managers
and feeders.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
I have a feeling they'll be they'll do the exact
same do and all the boxers too.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
I would never do that, You'll you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Think, so I feel like these boxing The one thing
about the wild West spirit of the business side of it,
which is either a good or a bad at different times.
Sometimes it's fun. Sometimes that's the only story you're talking about.
Is it's like these gunslingers. Sometimes they'll team up when
the money makes sense, but they're all even though that's
a fault when they're only looking to get their individual
piece of the pie. I can't take what Dane is
saying is truth. There's never been money invested back into

(01:38:34):
the sport. Like these guys are all swinging corporate raiders.
They're all cowboys in the sense.

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
There's not a big sign in Vegas that says home
of Boxing. But you know where the money goes in
Terrence Crawford's pocket, right in Errol Spence's pocket, in Canelo's pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
That's why you.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
Don't see the big Neon sign for you know, Boxing Inc.
Or whatever the fuck in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
That's why.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
That's why again it's not, oh, here, here's my genius idea.
Instead of the boxer's taking the money, we will take
the money. Congratulate me on my business acumen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
That's why I thought, are we doing Dana was saying,
we'll be HBO. I thought that could have worked. What
if they became Turkey's pay per view network, right for
everything Turkey's doing, which is working with almost every promoter
and putting kind of putting people with their back against
the wall and saying you're either with me or you're not.
But if they're gonna come in and say from day one,
we will be our own separate thing and we will
own them all boxing, I don't know if that'll work.
We'll see, we shall see, we shall see. But I

(01:39:27):
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Let me interrupt you a lot, and just you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
You're gotten really good about that. You barely you do
you don't know, you don't really, I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Mean I still do it to this guy, but you
know it's a passionate verbal sparring war that we've got
going on. Chuck, do you want to tell anybody anything
about your life? Your prostate history? Like what are you
got going on now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
They don't want to hear about that. I'm over it
to uncrowned. That's where my byline is, and that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Is that true what they're saying about you on the screen.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
M I do have relatives in Kentucky?

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, Luke Thomas, you've been a great
dad today.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
I'm trying, motherfucker, I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
I don't know if I deserve that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Be fair?

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
All right, Long Island, Luke of the main Card minute
this weekend, can the fans get a lot of you?

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Yes, full card Watch along six thirty pm.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Join in. Thanks, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
The Luke Thomas Network also offering companion cover.

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
I'm not so sure yet because I have friends coming
from out of town, so I got to figure that
part out. If I don't have one Saturday, I'll have
one Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Do they speak Spanish?

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Um? Yes, all of them. Do you want to plug
your X No, you're twit Twitter? Okay, let's get your Twitter.
Fuck Twitter? Fuck Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Do you want to plug your Blue Sky?

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Follow me on Blue Sky. The third Rich is not
in my mentions.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
No, Chuck, real quick, Chuck. Any thoughts on that new
TV deal for power slap on YouTube?

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Can can we close the show?

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
It's a v chain sponsor, Okay, all right? For Luke
Thomas and the great Chuck, Minden Hall and our fantastic staff,
I'm BC. We hope you have enjoyed this. We'll see
you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Oh fuck me. Sorry

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