UFC 313 Recap: Ankalaev dethrones Pereira, Gaethje outworks Fiziev | MORNING KOMBAT - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (05:26):
All right, hey, let's get into our damn show.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And you know what.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Our first topic is the main event of UFC three
one three this Saturday night, tem Oble Arena in Las Vegas.
It went down. Did you enjoy it? That's up to
you to decide. But in that main event, of course,
Malga Mat and Klia have dethroning arguably the biggest star
in the promotion, two hundred five pound champion, Alex Pereira,
So Luke after magamt and Calive went oer for twelve

(05:49):
and takedown attempts, it might not be accurate to say
that ankle I have won this fight with his wrestling
ability save for maybe that dominic cage controller showed in
round four, although he's been the line for it. So
how surprised do you think we should be, given Pereira's
recent reign of terror, that ankle Ive was able to pressure,
control the pace, rely on angles and technique, and even

(06:11):
hurt the most dangerous striker in this game in route
to a unanimous decision victory.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I mean, I think we should be a little bit surprised.
I don't think a crazy amount.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Pick a odds. You gotta remember that we crushed ankle
Ive coming in.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
First team, all Donk people got on, honest, they got mad.
It's not that we didn't think he could win.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Or even the argument that we had made quite quite incorrectly.
We should say that was that we thought he had
the skills, but we just thought he would error prone
his way into fucking it up. And that's just simply
not what happened. I know, you take some issue with
how he approached the fifth round. We can circle back
to that in just a minute.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I thought it cost him, thought it cost him. I
thought it was going to cost him.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
This is what I'm saning. So I see. I mean,
I would say this, dude, Uncle Ive fought really, really
well and again in a way that was overwhelming. To
your point, he didn't get any of the takedowns to
your point, and I think at least two, if not
three rounds he was numerically outstruck. Again, there's some qualitative
differences along the way, but the reality about what Mega

(07:14):
mon Onclive was able to do is you asked, was
it surprising a little bit for me? I was waiting
for the bottom to drop out. I was waiting for
some kind of inconsistent effort. I was waiting for some
kind of I don't know, for whatever he was producing from.
I mean, round one, okay, he lost, but it was fine.
Round two he looked awesome. Round three a little bit.
That's that's the swing round. It's a really tough one.

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Round four, back to on Calive, and then round five.
I thought was it Saldiu amount of notwithstanding we'll talk
about that, I thought that was also for Poeton, and
so you know it was to me. I mean, here's
the reality, dude. It wasn't comprehensively overwhelming. But people like me,
people like us saying that he had the skills but
couldn't deliver because of his the inability to make good

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decisions over the course of about that is simply not true.
That simply did not materialize, at least not in this case.
That is true in certain other cases obviously, but it
didn't materialize on Saturday. And here's the reality. I looked
this up. You can even compare this to other five
round fights that he has had. Not only did he
win the bout and obviously perform quite able even if

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you didn't score it for him, he actually landed more
significant strikes against Poetson than he has against any other opponent,
including those in other five round contests. He did his
best work against his toughest opponent in the most high
stakes about dude, you simply have to give it to him.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, I can give it to him, and I.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Understand the folks who might be like I got poets
on one, three, five. Fine, we'll talk about scoring in
a minute, but there's no looking at on Calive's performance
and then doing what we were doing, which is calling
him DONKELIAV and he'll mess it up. He didn't. He
actually executed really, really well all things considered. I do
think it's a little surprising, but to that point, maybe
it shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
It was surprising, let's be honest. I did think he
was going to hurt himself on the scorecards when after
a dominant cage control in round four, the closest he
came to using that grappling, that that advantage that we
thought that technique coming in to not come out in
round five and do the same thing after he completely
controlled and exhausted Pereira in round four. I questioned that
because I thought Perera struck him in that final round.

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And it goes back to the scoring. Could you score
it three two Perreira? You could, but look if we
had scored it, if the judges had scored it three
two Perreira, I think everyone would have been talking about
how the star you know that ankle I have got
robbed and UFC protected the star even though they didn't
protect it, so the judges that score that, I'm happy
that that ankle I have got the nod in the end,
because who fought better? Who took one of them? Arguably

(09:38):
the most dangerous fighter in the UFC took him out
of his game, changed the terms, forced him to fight
off the back foot, made him uncomfortable with constant pressure,
and did not make one of those key mistakes technically
where you opened yourself.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Up to be finished with one shot.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
In a lot of ways, it was kind of brilliant
the way Ankleja fought, the technique he showed in round
two to back up Pereira and hurt him switching to
the rest in the cage along the cage wall in
round four. I just wish he would have come out
in round five and really put that stamp down. That's
really my only complaint right here. He had better stamina,
he had better technique, he had better ideas adaptability across

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the board. So whenever something like this happens, there's two
things that it can be true at once. This was
a breakthrough performance in so many ways at the highest
level for mankeliav. But on that flip side, how disappointing
of a performance in your eyes? Was this for Poeton?

Speaker 3 (10:27):
We should say something up front, which is there's a
good chance that will be a rematch, and there should be.
I do think that this performance is disappointing, and I'm
gonna tell you why in just a second, but I
do think it's important to also say this. You can
make a very clear argument. Again, people can disagree, but
it's not hard to make an argument for one rounds one, three,

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and five for Poton. And the reason why I bring
that up is to say, even if you think that
on CALLI have one rounds two, three and four, and
again that is essentially how the judges went alltho obviously
one judge give him round five as well. The point
I'm trying to make is, did that fight look to
you that if po Aton got another crack, that the
distance between them was so significant that he couldn't meaningfully

(11:09):
improve and then obviously change his fortunes in a rematch.
That seems like a bridge too far. It's too much
to argue that they were so far apart that Pooton
can't make some adjustments sure and come out the other ends.
That's the first thing I'm gonna say. For all of
the problems of Pooton's performance, this is a rescuable operation.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
And by the way, shutting down twelve takedowns from a
Dagistan wrestler when you're a kickboxer, that also needs to
be praised in a losing.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Effort, no doubt about it. The one thing I'm gonna
say about those takedowns though, one we didn't really get
to see the chain wrestling tested, so there's still a
bit of an unanswered question there. Also, while the takedown
defense was really good and I was actually very very impressed,
not just because he would stop takedowns, but at times
he would turn him off the fence before he could
even get there, like he clearly understood the assignment, it

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did look to me like they were so nervous about
stopping the takedown that that's where all their energy got channeled.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Kind of like Connor against a little bit, but.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Connor was still kind of flowing a little bit with
him in that first round. After that kind of fell apart,
but in the first round he was still kind of
like playing the dozens with him a little bit. It
looked to me like Poton was like, oh my god,
martiall all forces here so that we could stop to
take that, which, by the way, obviously is in some
ways the right call. But it almost looked like they
were a little bit too nervous. But do the reality
is this. I went back and looked at the targeting

(12:25):
that he had in this fight. How did he target
the head? How did he target the body? How did
he target the legs? He targeted the head being not
even just what you hit, like what I'm aiming for? Yeah,
fourteen percent of the time. Oh my god, man, it was.
It was overwhelming leg kicks and then some stuff to
the body. Obviously some stuff to the head as well,
but not much. And this is the point, and I

(12:46):
think this is why Saldia motto may have made the
score the way he did. Be See, I'm not telling
you that Poton's leg kicks aren't effective generally or having
been decisive factors in previous contests. Did they look this
to you in terms of changing how on Caliath fought
now in this fight? They really didn't. They really didn't,
And in part from rounds three, on On collaf did

(13:09):
better about turning out his shin to at least somewhat
check and diminish what Poton was doing. So you're getting
those at least partially checked some of the stuff to
the body was landing. He's barely even having his head
targeted at all. Your take down defence is solid on
that first order, but it looks very tense, you know
what I mean? Dude on Caliath didn't get any of

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the takedowns of the twelve he attempted, but he clearly
put a bug in the mind of Poeton, deep in
the mind that he simply couldn't overcome. Did he guess
Poeton out? Because everybody's saying that. People were saying a
few things coming out here.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
People are saying, well, Ankli approved, he's not actually a
good wrestler. But I want to say this, even though
he didn't land any of those twelve takedown attempts, when
you mix that with the control he had in round four,
which clearly won that round for him. Did he take
out Pereira out of his game by constantly putting the
mental threat of the takedown and then the physical thread
of holding him off of keeping on the feet. Did

(14:06):
that rob Pereira of the type of when he when
he from Prayer's going down hell on you, when he's
at close range and he's waiting for you to make
that one mistake to knock you out.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
We didn't really see that guy outside.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Of the first round.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Is that because of that constant threat of the takedown,
in the constant taxing of the body to fight him
off in that case, then that's a really smart, you know,
adjustment strategical plan there for Frank Laive.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
I think on Calia have played the distance game well.
And what he also did was he was kind of
fainting almost like a level change. You'd see him reach
and then he'd switch stances and then come over with
the other side. So he's playing this high low game.
That was a big part of it. He's playing this
he would do the circular thing like you know, you
know who does that a lot is Usik. Usik does
high low and then he'll circle and right and then
they'll change the timing and then build stuff behind it.

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But do we also have to say it, I think
that the evidence that Poeton struggles against South Pause is
somewhat overstated. Okay, on Caliah, however, in this case case
to me took some meaningful steps to completely neutralize the
lead left hand of Poeton, and that made him go
to his second and third order weapons, and you just

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saw how ineffective they.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Were, so him on the back foot. He got criticized
a lot on Twitter, saying we've been he's been exposed.
He can't fight off the backfoot. But I guess what
I'm really trying to ask you, is it that or
was he exhausted from the constant pression?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I I don't. I didn't read that he was exhausted.
Did you really me when.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
You rally in round five trying to defend your belt
like he did to win the round, you can't say exhausted.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
But I do think from rounds two through four we saw.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
A diminished Poeton compared to normal normal when he's at
kickboxing range across from something.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I think the lead hand fighting, the lack of the
leg kicks, having enough of a pronounced effect, having difficulty
closing the distance on his terms. By the way, we
should also talk about this. I'm caliab was quicker. Yeah,
not that we not that that's hugely surprising, But then
when you see the contrast, one guy is moving around.
One guy is stepping in and out. One guy is

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f one guy is level changing, and he is able
to get into position and out of position more quickly.
He's setting the terms, he's faster with it. He's shutting
down to at least some meaningful extent, the lead left
hand checking some of the leg kicks. Pooton. Pooton doesn't
have a ton of flashy offense. He's got something of

(16:24):
a meat and potatoes offense. And so if you can
take out certain pieces of the pins of the grenade,
there's just not well, that's actually wrong, because they pull
the pin and then they'll let the spoon go. It explodes.
What I'm trying to make is if you disassemble the
bomb a little bit, obviously you need all of the
chemical reactions and everything else to work. And it looked
to me like on Callive has said this before. He
didn't have an overwhelming offense, but he had a consistent offense,

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and he had a neutralizing offense both, I think mentally
and physically. Pooton's meat and potatoes game I think somewhat
caught up with him here now. And it's worth saying also,
and I go back to listen can everybody be what
Poton was in kickboxing or even an MMA the kind
of striker that he is obviously not. But I go
back to this with these kickboxers who come over late
into MMA. It's partly true with Izzy. Izz was never

(17:12):
a takedown threat, right, Poton is not a takedown threat.
He might have a good takedown defense in this fight,
and he certainly did. But this is where a lack
of diversified offense can cost you. We always say it.
You can have a lopsided offense in high level MMA
and a go pretty far and b win. You can
literally win world titles with it, but it has to

(17:33):
be overwhelming to everyone because the instant someone can pull
the plug on it a little bit, and you now
are required to go to second and third order weapons.
The whole shit falls apart. He was still able to
keep it together at least a little bit here and again.
You can make a case for one three to five.
But I think all of these factors B see the
lack of well roundedness, the things Unclelive was doing, some
of the physical traits he employees, the game plan, the

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high low, the in and out, the the the you know,
the dismantling of the lead left hand. He simply didn't
have an answer for that. And good on on Caliath
for how well he performed.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well, look, I'm interested to get the third opinion here
was was Poton flat here? Or was this just that
first opponent at two of five that really outside of
the first two rounds against Roundtree played better chess than
him throw.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
I think it's the better chess thing. I don't think
he was flat. I think people are just using that
now given the result, they're like, oh, well, now that
I look back, he was a little flat. I think
he was just Uncle Ive did a great job of
mixing things up and it was enough. Uncle Ive round
two is like a new mythical fighter. He looked so fucking.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Good, drilling him off of his own balance, like popping
him back. I was like, dude, holy fuck. I couldn't
believe it.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
It was. It was incredible. Let's talk about the scoring
in this fight, because in real time I scored it one,
three five for Poton three rounds to two. But I
knew that was going to be a tough thing to
defend afterwards. It was really more of the scoring system
with that. What I'm trying to say is who did
my eyes tell me won that fight?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
And Eliath knew which realize what Poeton does.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Hurt him, you know, controlled him a round four with
the wrestling, and even with that late rally from from Pereira,
scoring wise ten point must system. I did think there's
a case, and I did have it for for Perreira,
but I was almost happy that Uncle I have won
because he deserved to have one. Does that make any sense?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's two competing exactly.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Theories at one in the in the letter of the law.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I do think ad A Sonia has an argument to
have won this fight because even though even though am
saying out of Sonia Pereira, even though it was clear
that unclelive, like I said, the rounds he won won
them more dominantly won, the story of the fight, won
all that stuff. But what about round by round? So
first round we're giving it to Pereira, second round best

(19:44):
ankle Ive we've ever seen, but third round is the
swing and all three judges would ultimately score that four Ankliath.
But I felt like, and maybe we can say, don't
trust the stats on the screen, but in that round
three Poeton outstruck him, landed.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I thought was the.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Best strike of the round when he had ankle live
against the fence and he landed that lead overhand and
chipped him up to you know, tore him.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Up to the legs.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
It was really the last round that he effectively was
tearing up anklive to the calf. Where you're like, I
wonder if this is gonna be a problem late. Is
there a strong argument? Because if we're all saying he
won one rounds one and five, so all the motto
is not and we'll get into that in a second,
but that round three, you've watched it a million times.
I feel like I feel like Poeton not sign the
story Chuck was right, the stories about stories about Pooton.

(20:31):
I feel like you could give him that. And if
you do, isn't that three to two Carrera?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
If you give him round three, it is certainly three two.
It would have been at least on two of the judges' scorecards, right,
he would have been still would have been split.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
That would have been a shitty result, by the way,
because we all saw who the better fighter was. Yeah,
but this isn't the perfect scoring system.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I guess I understand. I don't think you can make
a I don't How did you score it Long Island, Luke,
How did you score the main event?

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Well?

Speaker 6 (20:53):
I had a bet on Uncle Live, so I was
rooting for him, but I did actually score it three
to two Poton.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Okay, give me the argument, but not BC's give me
your argument for White Poeton one round three, and obviously,
please understand, I know it is butt close.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
You also have to remember I'm very intoxicated by the
time this fight comes on, so to remember specifically as
much honest, I just remember going into round five. I
clearly said it's two to two going into round five,
and I thought Poeton clearly won round five.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, Like I said, I was afraid for Ankliav that
he put forth this great performance and he was gonna
lose three to two under that under the scoring setup,
for better or for worse, because you know that they're
not going to give him a ton of credit even
around four, because he didn't take him down. It's just
sort of cage control. I wondered if all that could
go against him. And then when Achlive, like I said,
opened up round five safe and almost pedestrian rather than

(21:38):
pushing that pace, I was worried. We do have the
judge of scorecards, and this does set up before we
throw to them a good opportunity to I don't know,
maybe fire some shots. How about we get into our
segment here, shots fired brought to you by Quervo. He

(21:59):
doesn't have the best reputation in these MMA scoring circles.
Judge veteran judge Saldamato, can we show these score cards
here so you see the judges Mike Bell and Dereck
clearly the first two starting from the left, three rounds
to two in favor of an Kalaiev, with round three
being that swing round. In fact, all three judges scored
it for on calieve in there, so you can I
can't argue that too much in the favor of Pereira.

(22:20):
But Luke, let's look at Saldamato's card rounds two through
five going to Ankliev. These are the judges. These are
the guys reading the rule book. These are the guys
with a way better seat than I have, and they're
not tweeting and trying to, you know, text people back
like I am between rounds. Is there any case here
for Saldemato to be correct that this was a four

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rounds to one fight.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I don't think so. I don't think so. I again, numerically,
Magavon Unclia have had more strikes twenty to fourteen. However,
with that one twenty two of control time, those were
often in the clinch. And I want to say something
people say on Caliev was just holding Pereira against the fence,

(23:04):
and there are certainly one billion percent true examples of it,
including in this round. I think it's overstated. For round four,
I really think people are grossly over selling some of
the key components. But as it relates to round five,
that numerical total is really deceiving BC because so much

(23:24):
of it came from busy work there. I will also add, though,
if you're Poeton, takedown defence is not merely stopping the
takedown but extricating your back off of the fence, which
he simply had a very hard time doing against an
opponent like this. And I'm also gonna say something else
every time that I argue on this show on my
personal channel anywhere that referees in MMA need to be

(23:46):
granted license to foster quicker action. People always say no,
we can't touch it, No, no, no, you have to
save the integrity of the sport. There should be no
stand ups. There should be no intervention. Guys, you can't
have it both ways. Either people holding someone else against
the fence and not doing anything is basically slow stalling,

(24:08):
or it's not. Either it's a problem you want to solve,
or it's not. If you have argued against more proactive
referee intervention, you simply have no license to cry about this.
And I know what they're going to say, Well, the
judges should still render a decision that is favorable to
the guy what getting pressed up against the fence. That
also doesn't even make any sense. They're also not doing anything,

(24:28):
so at best it's kind of nullified and you're sort
of left to judge the other pieces. We need to
empower the rule makers and the rule enforcers to promote
better action in the sport. This is one clear example
in round five and then again part of round four
there was one separation that Mark God went through, which
by the way, I was totally in favor of. Sure

(24:51):
that gets you to situations like this. People need to
consistently understand how their worldviews about MMA impacts the rules,
impact the rule enforcers. This this is a bit of
a wake up call for all the Poton fans being like, oh,
this was so unfair. Are you the guy that has
argued for quicker separations. Probably not.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, let's talk about the leather of the law and judging,
because I think you pointed out something which is true
Poton stuffs twelve takedowns, But in MMA scoring you're not
going to score the defense on there, so his reward
is not being on his back but on the flip side.
Do you then reward an Kalia for that constant pressure
of takedowns in some of these close rounds. I guess
if the striking is more ultimately equal, then that could

(25:29):
be the thing that gives you the.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Edge image only if the damage is equal.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Only if the damage was equal. I just felt like,
letter to the law of round by round scoring, this
was a closer fight than it looked with our eyes
straight up, no question about it.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Oh yeah, but even then, even for somebody like me
who thinks that Uncle Ive is probably the rightful winner,
round five is not a strong argument for anklive. But
also because the commission won't ever tell us why anybody
scores any round the way that they do, OK, we're
left to wonder what exactly he saw that he spotlt
as something important.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Then I gotta ask you, what did all three judges
see in round three giving that to calia I'll swing round.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I have a theory about that. So I watched it
multiple times and I'm like judging, okay, who won each minute,
which I know is not how it's done, and I'm
just trying to like quantify, and it kind of went
back and forth and went back and forth. And then
if you'll notice, what's the last big strike either one
of them lands in that round?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Alift jab?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
It was on Caliav's jab. It was a heavy jab
that popped his head back and it didn't rock on
a poeton, but it did cause him to have to
catch his balance. And I think I counted it was
only like forty five seconds left in the fight or
me the round, and it was on Callive who was
still on top of him, pushing, pushing, pushing. I have
a feeling that that probably the guys that the judges

(26:43):
were looking at it, being like this is close, this
is close, and that one strike again, I can only
imagine because they don't talk to the public, but just
having heard them explain decisions in other ways, because I've
been on some of these referee calls where they have
to like watch rounds and explain how they score it.
I have a feeling that played a pretty decisive factor
in how it ultimately went to on Calia's way. Hope,
by the slimmest of margins, hopefully.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sell the model will show up on Henry Shudo's podcast
to break it down. That would be really nice. Let's
hear from the fighters here. Let's go to Ankalia first.
Let her be on the list. There, Long Island Luke.
This is him saying ultimately that not only did he win,
but that Poton's a runner.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Let's listen in got.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
Some tight rounds to score as well. All three judges
had you winning two, three and four man at the
end of five rounds. How confident did you feel that
you had won the fight?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, you know it was I was confident. I kept on.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Moving forward, I kept a pressure in him, and he
kept on running away from me. You know, for twenty minutes,
this guy was running away from me. And then I
heard at the end of the fight he was saying that,
you know, he wasn't sure why the victory was given
to me. Who's supposed to be given the victory.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
You know, I've been pressuring in the entire time.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
He was running for twenty minutes, and then he's wondering
who's supposed to get the victory. Listen, I'm happy for
a rematch if he wants her rematch. But then maybe
in the rematch he could fight, not just run away.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
An entire time data And he said he's not sure,
but a rematch probably makes sense given it was clause
I mean, is that the fight you want the most?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
And if so, how soon would you like to do it?

Speaker 9 (28:12):
Yes, I never picked my opponent, so I'm very much
happy and ready for a rematch whenever year see off
is it to us?

Speaker 10 (28:18):
If you know, we'll we'll see what the data is.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
We'll we'll be happy to accept it that I know.
He's going with big ONC energy now. I like heal ONK.
I like when he was like, yeah, John Jones, I'd
beat him in his prime. And also John Jones is
a steroid cheater. He pulled that one out. What do
you make though of the comment about the running. I
don't I don't see that per se you got you.
He had him on the back foot. That's a big
part of why ankle I have got the win. He's
sc look on, Clive was the better fighter in this fight.

(28:42):
But to say Pereira ran away from him for twenty minutes,
I didn't see that.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, running is a strong way of putting it. But
if you're on Colive and you're walking the guy down
and he's trying to use lateral movement to get away
into fend takedowns, I can see why he would think
you're not engaging with me. I can see how we
think that. Of course, the reality is he doesn't have
to engage with you on your terms. He has to
get He wants to, at a bare minimum, engage with
him on his terms, and he simply didn't get a
shot to do that.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I thought in round two, when en Calive was walked,
literally walking down Pereira, that he was going to walk
into something massive. Credit to him for not, you know,
for for always having that defensive posture still there. The
technique was strong, But did you have that feeling too.
I'm like, you're gonna get what everybody else got. You're
walking into traffic. You're too confident in there. He knew though,
he could tell that the pressure was getting to Perra.
But I was a little diverse for him in round two. There.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I will tell you what, man, I knew something was
up in that second round when he hit Poeton with
that push kick that sent him like careening into the
back of the fence. I was like, holy shit, that
was awesome. I too thought that that was you know,
I didn't know if he was gonna get knocked out,
but I thought at some point the wheels were going
to come off. Dude, we got to say what we

(29:49):
were wrong on Friday. We were wrong about on Calive.
But let me ask you a question if I may,
and I would love to get a long on luksipining
here just a second as well, which is did this
win by on Caliev erase your doubts about him? Not
so much as a talented guy, which we kind of
thought he was, but as a donk. Does this erase

(30:10):
Don Caliah from you?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yes? I regret Don caliv as a name first teamal donks.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
He's shown to be a mistake prone fighter at times.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You can question his fight I cic we have at times,
including the end of that Blokhovich fight, and look I
questioned it watching this fight in real time. About again
about round five when he didn't come out with that
same posture and pressure that was swallowing Pereira up in
round four, But in totality five round championship stamina was
the better fighter, made the better adjustments, took a killer,

(30:39):
a superman and made him look human. Yeah, I take
back everything I said Uncliav when finally given the chance,
and I did believe like you that UFC was delaying
this for as long as possible. Dude, he came through
and he got it done. At the end of the day,
like shout out to him, what is he on a
fourteen fight on beaten streak something like that? Since that

(31:00):
Austin's UFC debut. Yes, it hasn't always been pretty. He
hasn't always been as maybe as you know, come forward
as we'd like a lot of things you can say
about there, but he was the better fighter in every
single category against the guy who was number three pound
for pound on my list. Yeah, I take back everything
I ever questioned on this guy in that.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Regard Long Island, Luke, have you gotten rid of all
of your suspicions about him?

Speaker 5 (31:19):
I mean, I wasn't the one tooting the donk horn
like you guys were.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Say, but uh no, he looked good, dude. I don't
think we can call him a donk after that performance.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, no, I mean he I was okay. So let
me let me challenge that a little bit. I'm not
fully ready to let go of the fact that the
guy has proven to be air prone in the past,
but I have to dial it way back because that
was twenty five minutes against a very dangerous guy, and
he did not look dangerous. Poeton did. Through twenty five minutes.
He looked, you know, talented, but not.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Here's why I still thought he didn't look I didn't
think he looked boring. And that's still I know a
lot of people, Yeah, in this fight, was it a
back and forth fight? No, But ankle Ive believes there's
a reason for that. So let's listen to sound and
when we can respond to it. This is Anklive talking
about that idea of whether he's a boring fighter.

Speaker 10 (32:08):
You know, I don't understand why people think that my
fights are boring. Everybody thought that Alex Pereira coming into
this fight was the most exciting striker in the division,
and then you saw the way he fought against me.
It seems as though when people come out to fight
against me, they all of a sudden become boring. You
saw what he did, so it's not just dependent on me.
It also depends on the dance partner, on the opponent

(32:30):
that I'm fighting.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
That's fair. I mean, he was the one backing him
up in round two and putting it on him. He's
not the most exciting fighter, but I don't call his
performance or even his strategy necessarily boring.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
People were bitter.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
There's an overarching conversation that we're going to have a
minute about are the too many boring champions in UF seen.
I understand that you're going to have to include him
in this batch, but was this performance boring out of him?
He brought the fight to the most dangerous man.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I wasn't watching live, so I don't know how it
translated live. I did not. I did not think it
was especially exciting.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I guess there's a difference between technical where his goal
is to disarm you of your danger and outright boring.
Same thing in boxing. I like, I don't call a
lot of these Floyd Mayweather fights boring. I say, you
should know what you're getting into. A lot of people
at the highest level you know you're watching one of
the greatest defensive fighters of all time. Be brilliant. It might,
but I don't think it's boring. I think there is

(33:26):
a difference there, that's all.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Would you say it was a technical thriller.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
No, there was, There was not the same. There wasn't
the thriller element. The thriller element is usually a higher
pace and a little bit more of a back and
forth and not sure who's gonna win. Now, granted you did,
you weren't fully sure when they went to the cards here,
so there was a little bit. But no, this wasn't
the technical thriller that Strickland DDP one was. Okay, uh,
that's that still stands. I do want to hear though,
from Poeton here, who was humble and defeated and came

(33:52):
out on Instagram and shared his thoughts.

Speaker 7 (33:55):
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(34:41):
just thought it was poils us.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
No, whit better is.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, yeah, is disaster.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
The silis Shama trauma.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Indeed, I always believe in giving up on your dreams.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
So he was humble and defeat. You know, it was
not humble in the his ex fiance Merle who came
out and pulled a Katie Beevill. I'm not going to
show it and play this up, but did you see
that that was some salty solid Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I don't know who these people are, but you know
all of them need to get alive.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Okay, okay. He mentioned the rematch in there. Dana White
mentioned the rematch in there. It will be different. Well,
we see though Poeton who takes more chances offensively.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think he will.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
I think he.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think he's gonna have to, and in part, I
think he's going to be very comforted by how good
his takedown defense was here. And the what I want
to make is if I were him, I'd open up
a little bit more. And maybe you do surrender a takedown, right,
maybe you do, But the reality is, I don't know
if cale I is gonna finish you might be able
to get back up, and at least if you're in
a fight where you're more open like that, your left

(35:47):
hook is going to cause him problems, have him thinking
about what he's going to do when he gets too close,
and all the problems that emerged, like it just never
seemed to me, like on Cale, I have never seemed
to me overly concerned about anything Poe Toon was going
to do to him point and that has to change.
That has to change, not just for psychological reasons, but strategically.
You need to get that guy thinking and doubting and.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Wondering, huh more threat of highkings.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
My kicks were great, which, by the way, you obviously
an open stance is a thing that you can do
a lot of. I think he was probably worried about
the taked down a little bit. He did throw some.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
He did throw some, But I mean, do you get
on that bandwagon of people saying he may be Daugistani,
he may be our champion, but he just proved he
can't wrestle on the level of everybody else.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
He can't wrestle on the level of like he he's funny,
but he's a bet.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
But he showed he's a better striker than we thought.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Totally true. Yeah, totally true. And also I don't think
that's the sum total of his wrestling. I think he
felt stiff resistance when he first went for the takedown
got stopped. He was like, Okay, I'm not gonna waste energy.
You're just trying to wrestle this guy to the match.
So there's a part of that too. But the reality
is this, he's not Islam Makachev. He's not a guy
like Islam Makachev is the you know, the panth pound
best guy in the sport. He can strike, he can submit,

(36:53):
he can wrestle. He's got ridiculous takedowns. That's not on Caliav. However,
on Caliev did seem to benefit from the same kind
of threats that Makachev was able to make against a
guy like Poorier, where you watch Makachev just having the
success with Poorier, like, how's that possible? Well, in part,
Makachev can strike like that, he's not Habib. But the
other part is, of course, if you're just Poarier, you

(37:15):
gotta be real careful against a guy like that who
can level change. It's a similar dynamic to that. I
just don't think it's fair to be like, oh, Uncleliav
is just a two oh five Makachev. No, no, he's not.
Very few people are any version of what Mankachev is.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Final note on on topic one here in this fight
and the potential of a rematch, which I think is
the right direction given the run Potons down by the way,
it's down, and and I do believe that I'll blame
Elon for that, by the way, but I do he
took it. He took a chainsaw to it. Yeah, no doubt.
But I will say that in regards to this rematch,

(37:51):
I actually believe and I always believe it in situations
like this unless you were absolutely starched and knocked out
where we're questioning your future. I think Poton and redeem
most of the buzz, the star power, that anything that
you thought he lost here and he lost something, he
lost something, there's some glitter, there's some buzz and shine
that came off. I think he can get it back

(38:12):
by winning the rematch. Long aand Lucas convinced this doesn't
really affect him at all. How do you how do
you deal with that? With that idea in terms of
his critical stock and I guess you mixed up with
the commercial overall, the aura of Chama and this incredible athlete. Yes,
he took a step back, but he can he can
get that back in a rematch.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
For starters, he can definitely get it back. That's one. Two.
It wasn't like he got whooped. You know, this was
not an ass kicking. This was a close fight. The
problem was Poton just didn't look like himself. It'd be
one thing if Poton looked like for example, Poton got
iced by Izzy, but he was fighting like Poton before
he got iced, Right, this one felt like it was

(38:53):
Poton's twin who got subbed in there, and it fought
kind of like him, looked kind of like but not
exactly like him, was it? It felt like an uncharacteristic performance.
So that certainly hurts his stock. Losing the belt certainly
hurts his stock. But I'll say this, if they book
a rematch, you're in great shape. And if he wins

(39:15):
that rematch, you are right back where you left off
and you're off to the races as the Again, we
said that last week Poton called himself the face of
the UFC. I still think that's probably still true. Today.
Whether he can maintain that without a belt or by
losing a rematch, that's a separate question that.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Would be that'd be a whole new reset. Might be
time for heavyweight right away. But let's get into topic two,
which addresses a few different things. If we're going to
talk about the good of an Kalaiev, I'm glad we
did that in topic one, But if you take MMA
Twitter as any point of reference, this didn't feel like
a great night overall for the UFC. A bit of
a mid pay per view card that I didn't think
was all that deep. Yes, some topics we'll get into.

(39:55):
The fighting nerds continue to win us over in so
many ways, But did this this fight card expose larger
issues with the UFC that a lot of us have
been pointing out, maybe sometimes to pissing off the hardcore fans. Luke,
we're talking about does Dana White have a star problem?
And do you add to that the idea of too
many boring champions? Even though I just said I wasn't

(40:17):
bored by Uncle Ive's performance, a lot of people are
gonna lump him into that category. So, Luke, the idea
of UFC lacking top end marketable stars is not a
new discussion.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
We've been through that a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's probably a byproduct of their content provider mentality that
they're riding these days. But considering the most exciting fighter
an active champion in the sport just lost his title
to a wrestler named Magamed, is it fair to say
that UFC is in fact lacking mightily in mainstream stars
at the moment and that the promotion doesn't have too

(40:50):
many boring champions, Which I hate saying that word, but
is it true right now? In totality? Do we have,
if that's a bad thing, too many foreign guys that
only wrestle. Is that where we're at right now? Did
this expose that?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Well, let's go through let's answer all right? So I
think there are two ways that you have to answer
the question. One is are they popular? That's one? And
then two do they have an action oriented style? Because
you can either be both or one or the other
or none of them? Right? Think about that, all right?
Pantojia clearly has an action oriented style but is basically

(41:25):
unknown to anybody but the hardcore fans. So there you go.
Then you got Morob. Morob has something of an action
oriented style, but is definitely not a finisher, and I
think has a stalling problem. And I think certainly is
an extremely good fighter, but is not a beloved fighter
at the box office. I don't think that that may

(41:47):
not be right. It had to Poria and now we're
back to Vulk and Diego Lopez. I don't know how
to answer that question because I don't really know what's
going to happen there, but certainly losing him at forty
five is not great for forty five. I think we
can all agree there fifty five. I think there's plenty
of good things at fifty five. And Islam Makachev. People
say he's not really popular. I don't believe that. I
do think he's actually pretty popular. Yeah, exactly. And also

(42:11):
he's the pound for pound best guy in the sport.
He's fucking awesome.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
He's got the habibrub more.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
He's more powerful as a pay per view brand than
people will really let onto Oka fair.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So we've got Pantoja has a bit of an issue.
You've got Morob is a bit of an issue. I
have forty five. It's neither here nor there at the moment.
Fifty five not at all problem. I don't think seventy
You've got Bulall.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
And who we love, but isn't not like a house Okay, but.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm talking about just Champions of the Company Bullall Again,
I have a lot of respect for Bulall's game. I
also should note the UFC did the right thing and
put the Palestine flag in his online profile, which I
think is a great thing. I applaud the organization for that.
But we're just talking about is he exciting for the fans.
Fans don't seem to feel that way. And is he
a box office draw? Certainly not. Then you go to

(42:52):
eighty five, different story and by the way, if they
get Hamzat, you're in a very different story. So I
don't think that necessarily qualifies two oh five.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Indeedp's coming on, He's coming on right.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, But two oh five again, if if
Pereira gets back there, different conversation. But right now on Calive,
good fighter, definitely not a box office straw. And then
at heavyweight, I don't know, I don't know what the
fuck to say. One of the worst divisions to go
the women's side. So at straway you got John Wiley,
who I think certainly is well liked. I don't know
how popular she is, but definitely action oriented, well liked

(43:23):
fighter by the fan base.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
They claim social media wise that her metrics are.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Through the roof because of the Chinese, so maybe maybe
it's slightly different conversation with her. Then you've got Valentina Chefchenko.
I don't think she's quite as exciting as her reputation
comes out, and I don't think she's a big box
office draw either. Generally is well respected within the fan base.
Thirty five I don't even know what I mean. Kayla
Harrison might get that belt, but Penya, you know, I
don't even know what to say about that division. The

(43:48):
answer is, there is certainly something to the argument that
they've got a cadre of champions who in many cases
are not popular but good. In other cases are not popular,
and you know, I don't know what to say about
the Peenas and so forth of the world. It's not
to say that it has affected every part of the
championship portfolio BC, but it is fair to say, is

(44:11):
there something to the idea that the UFC, because of
its internationalization and the way the MMA meta game has gone,
that you've just got a lot of these guys now
who have taken over, who aren't necessarily making the same
kinds of fan connections, no box office draws, even if
they are so good they can win titles. It's a
real issue. How big you want to say is certainly

(44:32):
up to for some debate, but I don't think it's
a nonexistent yho.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And I think the problem is that it's getting worse.
And the problem is that even though we needed this
fight to happen, we were criticizing the UFC for not
making this fight a year and ago when it probably
should have. You have to meritocracy wise. You have to
put people in there, your stars, in the toughest matchups,
and do what they do. They did it. Okay, the
title change, it's not about ankle iave here. But is
there a star problem?

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Is there an aging group of stars the holloways McGregor's
poier is no that are going to be out soon?
And is there a proper backlog of people ready to
replace No? And you could say, well, you can't just
manufacture stars like a microwave, and you can't know. But
I think you're starting to see the things that we've
warned or Tea or said I'm not I don't like

(45:17):
this trend.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
And people are like, BC, just just enjoy it. Shut up.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
This is our MMA, this is our weekend getaway. We
don't want to hear your complaining. And that is true.
There's only true up to a certain point, because I
think the trends are this is starting to feel like
a Soul Lists product. It's hard to make stars when
it feels like a assembly line Walmart product of plug
in place.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
When we're at the point where, like.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
What's the thing that got you into this game and
kept you here, whether it was boxing or MMA or however,
pro wrestling, however you started it. It's fighters and their stories.
Fights and their stories. When was the last time a
UFC fight had you feeling, you know, four months in advance,
counting down the days, When was the last time we
have like true rivalries or personal stories pushed to the forefront.

(46:02):
I think this is really a clear vision of what
happens when you become all about extracting as much money
from the industry as you possibly can, spreading out and
having as many tentacles and have a show every weekend
as you possibly can, and becoming this kind of soulless
factory with the Dana White Contender series, and nobody on

(46:23):
these cards have Wikipedia pages, and you know, the next
assembly line of young stars come in, they go one
in three and they're out of the organization. Let's bring
in the next group that it's always about the three
letters UFC, Dana's face, the connection to the creators and
politicians that they have, and the whole vibe of being
a UFC fan. But that's not retaining the old hardcorees,

(46:46):
and I think it's creating very short window fans who
get into it for the Like everybody who's who's twenty
something in white right now in mail is into UFC,
and they've marketed it to them aggressively, but they're not
doing what they used to do and spending the money
or putting the focus to make you care about these individuals.
They had a guy and God who had the greatest
story personal of anyone that they've ever had in their organization,

(47:08):
and look what's going on with that. They can't even
make the fights under the hood right now. So if
you want to talk about tk O boxing and where
will it fit in and Dana claiming all these things,
he's going to change. Let's look, let's look at where
the UFC actually is right now. It's not inn Calioswalt,
It's not really just about that. It's about the bigger
picture to me, Luke, is there something to this or
am I just getting so bitter? There?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Where? Where are?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Where's the stories and storylines? When someone gets a breakthrough win,
they don't go to Bristol, Connecticut in the ESPN car
wash in on eight hours of te anymore. They're not
doing that type of stuff, you know what I'm saying.
We had a press conference over the weekend, but it
was about exploiting Bryce Mitchell's racism of come come see
him and you can pay to throw the ball and
he'll get dunked in the water.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
That's what it felt like.

Speaker 11 (47:49):
Like.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
This is like the UFC has turned into the de
Reil tweet, you know, Drell or d Roll, where it's
like either turning the racism meter up and looking back
at the audience and smiling to see when they stop laughing.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Let's pull you can even take race out of it,
or even take it's a joke.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I mean the we're cashing in on the controversy from
these guys having opinions from nineteen twenty five. Okay, Long,
I'll look, but let me let me try something here.
Long isn't Luke. This is a hobby horse of BC's.
It's not like I disagree with him, but I'm not
as motivated by it in the same way as he is.
So let me ask you, and I'm trying to ask
us in good faith, So go with me here. How

(48:24):
much of this is BC's issue. How much of this
is a product more general issue from your vantage point?
And if you disagree with BC, please by all I
means say so.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Yeah, I don't think it's as big of an issue
as we're making it out to be. Like, obviously we
don't have a McGregor a Rousey anything like that anymore,
but we still have plenty of stars.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Do you feel like they're trying to make stars or
they're trying to that's the real question, all right, I
mean yes and no.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Dude, we just saw a Roofie get in his third
UFC fight at the opening bout on a pay per view,
and he showed the hell out man like he could
be a future star. John Silva, another guy from that camp,
obviously looks like a future star.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Like I could see the marketing when you say star.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Well, so when we say star, we mean people that
draw big numbers on pay per view, That's what we mean.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And people that are that become household names in regular
sports homes that watch football and golf.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Hoofy and jay On Silva are not pulling pay per view. Sure, yeah, yeah,
that's right. That's right.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
So you're you're building Star.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
I mean you're building Patty pimblet Is he gonna sell
all these pay per views?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Maybe it might argue?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Might they're building them? Right?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah? Yeah, Patty did my shot cut though I don't
know how that's gonna go, you know what I mean?
Like Shopcot might be a world beater, but I don't
know how they're gonna that's gonna go.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
I think he's gonna be like Pantosia where he's always
in fun fights, but his pay per views don't.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Do that great.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, okay, and then you've got then you've got Hamzat
who's coming up two o five? I don't know, well,
I think pot Uncle, I don't know who that was.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
When a card comes out and then BC's gonna come
play and here we go. How bad is a BC
and and I'll sometimes give you answers and the people
be like, see, that's so much of a casual BC
as he's trying to get these extra casual names added in.
Isn't that part of what we loved and fell in
love with the sport? Whatever year you came in, when
you look at a UFC card and be like, title fights,
I'll fight banger fights, veteran coming back, good storyline here,

(50:04):
this here, Like you know, you had a lot of
things if you're not targeting some form of it to
the full casuals putting Jones aspinall a football stadium, doing
that kind of things like that's the thing that keeps
your sport healthy and growing. And would you argue that
under the fetidos it felt more like it was about
pushing the sport, and under the Endeavor era, it's about
what can we take from the sport.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
So I feel like you and can I give you
a few theories about what I think is happening, because
I guess it's I think a lot of fans hear
this and they're like, all these two old motherfuckers complaining,
And I don't think that's necessarily unfair, but I do
think there are some differences that we have to acknowledge.
One is the Americans are just not as competitive as
they once were. Like the reality is people might come
to American gyms like ATT and you know, AKA or

(50:49):
Extreme Couture, but the American like if you go back,
for example, when GSP fought Jake Shields, you might recall
that week that was in Toronto. I went to that fight.
That's when they had that roundtable and it was Edgar
and it was Cruz and it was Kine and it
was John Jones and yeah, GSP was there and Anderson
Silva and Josialdo were there, but it was majority Americans.

(51:12):
The reality is the Americans are just not as competitive
as they once were. That's just a fact. Okay, that's
the first pride problem. The second problem I think that
that we have to kind of face here is when
we were indulging our MMA fandom coming up, it was
a different kind of ecosystem, including a different media ecosystem where,
to your point, you had to really go through traditional

(51:34):
channels of media to promote these guys. It meant car
washes before fights, it meant car WASH's after fights, It
meant managers calling up every different you know, write an
article for me in this site and this one, this one,
and that has simply evaporated. There is still part of
that happening. Obviously, people will go on Aerial Show today
and stuff like that, and that's not nothing, of course,
but it's not the same kind of all in on

(51:55):
this process that really built up larger than life figures
with these big, bold narratives and whatnot. And also there's
just so much happening from a content standpoint, it's just
hard for rivalries to develop on top of it. I
think a lot of that is playing into what you're
talking about. That's making it feel very alien from the
fight game that we grew up on and how we
responded to it. But it is worth listening both to

(52:18):
our audience as well as guys like Longan and Luke
who are saying they don't exactly feel the same way
that you do about this.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Okay, well, let me see if this finally encapsulates it.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Whether you come into combat sports liking real combat sports
from pro wrestling or not, the hook of a story,
like from the very beginning, is there going to be
a major audience for fights if you have no connection
at all well, there's some people love violence, people love whatever.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
There's gonna be some of it.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
But in totality, when you want something to be huge,
you need the casuals. You need hooks, storylines to get
the casuals. UFC used to be about the stories of
the fighters in the fights. Now the story that they
tell is the success of their brand. That's all. That's
the only story they tell anymore. Dana pushing through the
ultimate fighter one fight, saving the company after they put

(53:05):
all that money in. Uh, look at us today where
we stand politically like it's all about telling the story
of them and taking that eye off the ball and
going completely corporate commercial microwave. So there is also a
TKO element has sucked the soul, the endeavor. TKO era
has sucked the soul that keeps people caring.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
That's my point.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
My point isn't the hardcores that are going to be
there every week no matter what because they love fighting
or they're just into this. I'm talking about the casuals
that are going to come and go.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
What is the evidence that that UFC has suffered from
the casual fan retention?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I think I've I've never seen as many groups of
people be like I couldn't miss a fight on a
pay per view, and now I don't even watch it live.
You know what I'm saying like that, that that's changed
really quickly because post COVID it was they were on fire.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Is that your experience, Liland Luke. I think that's actually
a really interesting discussion.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
I was gonna say, I have friends who are i'll
call them casuals, who only really watch pay per views.
And I know for a fact they did not buy
the last two pay per views, even this one. Yeah,
they didn't think it was worth it. Again, that's them,
they're kind.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Of but it's fucking poeton. I don't understand that, dude.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
I'm not the person. I'm just saying that's what they say,
fair enough.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
I'm asking you to justify their logic. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I mean, is Dana he was talking at the pros
FI press conference about next year they may have to
figure out lightening his load because he's got boxing, he's
got power slap, he's got so much going on. Yeah,
I mean, there's a whole nother rabbit hole discussion about,
you know, replacing him and who could do that. But
I'm just saying, like do you like covering this board
and watching this sport as a fan? In this endeavor
TKO era, has it improved the product or has it

(54:35):
only month by month, year by year taken from it,
taking the storylines, taking that care level. I never felt
what I felt on Saturday, where it was just sort
of like this doesn't matter. Yeah, I want to see
the main event, but everything else felt like it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I'll say this, there is simply no denying that we
have to account for the fact that the way in
which we fell in love with the Fight Game doesn't
exist for anybody anymore. And however young people interface with
the Fight Game and how they come to it, it's
going to be a different process and we don't understand that,
and we have to acknowledge that upfront.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
It's married to the star issue.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Okay, fair enough, But I'm also going to say this
to the young people who might be watching or people
who had a different relationship to how they came to
the Fight Game now, which is that you also must understand.
Not only is the usc of Monopoly, which has been
over a million times, but the parent company TKO they're
Wall streeting this whole. They're they're treating the UFC like
a financial instrument as part of a broader financial portfolio,

(55:26):
not to the same extent that PFL does their own organization,
not even fucking close to that.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
However, however, could use this opening, yeah to change there.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, But what I mean is you can detect it.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
It is.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
It is noticeable relative to how it used to being.
The point I want to make is like, remember, dude,
remember when Connor and fucking jose Aldo went on a
world tour to promote that fight like they the UFC. Dude,
that was when they were showing, Like when the UFC
was like, you want to see how good we are
promoting fights? Watch this shit. And they did it and
they were right and it worked. Like, what we want

(55:57):
to see is not them flex their muscle about how
big their market cap is Live Gate, that's all they
care about. We want to see them flex their muscle
in terms of what they can do as promoters, not
measured so much by the financial measurables, but measured by
that kind of buzz, that cultural cachet. And I'm sorry
to the younger fans, I can admit that we're missing

(56:19):
components of this because of the way they came to
the sport is simply a different way, and I accept that.
But they also must accept that kind of thing that
they used to do they just simply don't do anymore.
And what we're trying to identify is I think some
of that is missing.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
They're still the premiere vehicle and MMA by far, I mean,
PFL can't get the PFL is about their own story.
They're about telling you about their start game. They never
tell you about their fighters' stories. But I will say, though,
that it doesn't feel like a premiere product anymore. And
I don't say that, Oh, you're the boxing guy. You're
just shipping, are you? Oh you have a grudge against data,

(56:54):
none of the above. I'm the guy that wants long
term job security here, you know what I mean. I
want this thing to reach out to casuals. I want
people to be banging on the door of UFC offices,
going where's Jones aspinal? We haven't heard put that in
a stadium. Let's have a moment here, so that that's
really the argument. I mean. I'm feeling I'm watching this
turn into some of the bad stretches in boxing in

(57:16):
recent years. I'm feeling some of those same elements in
this Tico era and it does scare me to it.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
So let me say one thing. If I made last
one on this, If there are viewers out there that
really think we're missing something on this argument, and I'm
sure that we are, hit us up Morningcombat at gmail
dot com, Morning Coombat at gmail dot com, video and
we'll play. Send a video, send a response.

Speaker 9 (57:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Listen, you can call us names, that's fine, But what
we're actually looking for is like a really good argument
to help us understand what we might be missing, because
I'm certain, dude, generationally things happen where you have to
be very careful about the myopia of your own worldview.
Morning Coombat at gmail dot com. You can send a
voice note, you can send a video note, you can
send a written note private part. So yeah, don't send

(57:57):
your dickenballs or buttthole, but everything else is fair game.
Let us know what you think we're wrong about, what
BC's missing, what I'm missing. Maybe i'd actually and I
couldn't say this more sincerely, we would love to hear it.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Thank you very much on that.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
To close on the Star topic, there's a couple of
topics that lead to Big Star pushes. One of those
is Jones versus Aspinall. Here's Dana White giving an update
on that.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
We were talking about Tom and John. Tom really sub
video bog a few days ago on the train where
he was saying, like John side is holding up the fight.
What is he referring to there? Well, I think that.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Listen, John Jones definitely wants to fight.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Just when and where is what we're working on.

Speaker 10 (58:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Do you feel a confidence I think you said, John,
I'm on first staff.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Fight happens yeah, summer. Yeah, he's saying when and where.
I think it's probably more. They haven't finalized Jones price.
That's probably still where they're at. But if they can
get this for ifw that's that's month's huge. And I
know they don't want to do the stadium thing. I
wish they would for the way it would feel, Glynn,
but I just want it.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
But people asked me, what was the fight you wanted
to see most this year? Jones aspinal period related question?

Speaker 1 (59:09):
How much does the Poton loss affect John Jones's timeline
in the future. Does this put extra pressure on him
to get the Aspinall fight, because now with Poton coming
off a loss, headed into a rematch. Most likely he
can't say, here, take your heavyweight belt, I'll just fight Poton.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, it narrows his options pretty significantly. But at the
same time, this was kind of all like Dana was
not giving that fight a lot of interest, and now
you've sort of, I'm not saying formally removed it from consideration,
but it now goes very back burner ish. And plus,
if they're going to do a rematch, you have to
set that up and that's going to take time and
everything else. So I definitely think it constrains the options

(59:49):
of Jones. But Jones was kind of always playing with
house money here anyway, so we'll see. By the way,
this morning, I took the escalator down in Union Station
to go. I had to go to Walgreens to go
pick up something, and there is an advertisement one of
these billboards that like changes over time, and as soon
as I got to the bottom, it was John Jones
rend that healthcare company. I was right at the bottom there,
and I was like, Wow, imagine aligning your brand with
this guy. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
If they did that for ifw that'd be monstrous. I
really hope they can get that done. I hope they pay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
A heavyweight title unification in MMA is a fucking gigam.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I mean when I were talking about Innghanu being out
there and that they probably could have gotten that done.
If they want to a million times, you got to
get this one done. Poton's not going to be the
one that's going to crash it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
By the way, if they don't get it done now again,
we want that fight to happen, probably more than any
other fight. Yes, I'm gonna say this though, if they
don't get that fight to happen for whatever reason, we
need to revisit this conversation we're happening.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yes, well, they won't have a star problem if Aliataporia
moves into a really monster fight next and takes over
the lightweight division like he's threatening to. Here's the tweet
that has a lot of people talking related to this
so called star problem. When we announce it, you won't
believe it. Get ready, so everyone thinks this is either
Islam Mahachev for the title, maybe Connor McGregor for a

(01:01:00):
passing of the pay per view Torch and stardom. Luke,
we know you have a bon air from you know,
hard On from here to hanover, Ohio for this, gentleman,
if you found out this was him versus con McGregor,
what would you do because I'm I'm in on that
Carnival spectacle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Just do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
That's just I don't believe it's him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Then what do you think this is a partnership and advertisement?

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Is this?

Speaker 12 (01:01:26):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I think it's some kind of shit coin or
some Spanish fucking company or yes, do a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Live detector on Dana. Let's watch Dana react to this title.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And when Ilia teased a massive announcement a few days ago,
is that fight related?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I don't know, I don't know. Probably, Okay, Okay, that's
the Dana like I'm hiding it, which I'm fine if
he's hiding it that he's planning something big and it's
not done yet, I mean, just go right to Islam.
If you don't want to do the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Well we didn't. Well we'll talk about this, but I
think Gayschie might end up getting that Islam fight or
you know, I don't you know what that's going to go.
So dude, if it's probably, I mean I thought it
was something cool too, but then my mentions were, like, dude,
he's selling a shit coin, and I was like, all right,
it's I mean, you know, it's probably what it is.
I have no fucking ideas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Also long on, Luke Dana had some guests at power
Slap in the UFC three thirteen over the weekend. Yeah,
those are alleged accused sex traffickers to tape brothers.

Speaker 13 (01:02:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Yeah, and an elk.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Boys shut out by the way, guys who are either
facing charges or criminal investigations in three countries. I've traveled
the world BC, I've never faced charges in three countries.
I'm not even facing charges in one country.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
There's an aggressive negative response to this, and I think
it's kind of rightfully so. But I mean, you know,
you don't need to pin us on the on the
political argument, listeners, but like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
It grows is nothing, this is this is so obviously
I mean they're making it political. Boy who is defending
a not p It's obviously not a political issue. I'll
just say this. I watched MMA luminaries tell various state
agencies for years in order to get legalized. We are
not pimps, we are not hustlers, we're not thugs, We're
not any of these like reprobates were math teachers. We

(01:03:08):
are dads, we have college degrees. And it turns out
fifteen twenty years later, when they said we weren't any
of those bad things, that's exactly who they are. That's
exactly who we are. That's exactly what that what that is?

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
That all that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Bullshit that were math teachers and whatnot just a fucking
lie the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
So all right, let's I don't know how to transition
out of that, so I'll just do it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:36):
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Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
That was that was some good stuff during pregame preview
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Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
All right, Let's go to topic number three, which is
probably the best fight of the night. I think it
did win that award. It was the co main event
in the lightweight division of UFC three thirteen on twelve
days notice? Was it Raphael Physiv? Isn't we going with
Phyziv Phiziev?

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
So the dude who I was it for DAWs? Who
reps him?

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Remember remember for Dalls came up to us at the
MMA Award now and he was like, it's not Phizziev,
it's Physive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Okay, well let me take this out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
So I'm assuming he's telling us. Maybe he told us
some bullshit. I think he's telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Though, Phazev came back from eighteen months out knee surgery,
entering a rematch on twelve days notice against Justin Gaichee
and the veteran Gaichie, the former interim champion would rely
on that guile to outwork Paysive over the second half
of this fight, win the rematch and keep pace in
the title picture. So I want to know just how
impressed you were, Luke at thirty six years old, and

(01:05:18):
of course, coming off of that brutal ko lost to
Max Holloway. Is it safe to say that Justin Gaichee
not only still has it on the elite level at
one hundred and fifty five pounds, but that his chin,
the whispers out there of his demise greatly exaggerated.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Well, I don't think you can just dismiss casually what
happened to him against Max Holloway. I think that would
be very, very silly and ridiculous. But dude, this was
so impressive from Justin Gaichee. And we always talk about
the good parts of gai Chee helped bite down on
the mouthpiece and throw. He's all action, he's missed or action.

(01:05:53):
And these are all true, absolutely all of it, one
thousand percent true, one thousand percent deserve. I'm not telling
you guys anything you don't already know. I just want
to say, like, these are the things though that we
commonly associate with him. But one thing I think we
should also really really talk about when we are now
speaking about not just him, but Michael Chandler, Dustin Poirier.
I know Eddie is kind of Eddie Albertz's kind of

(01:06:14):
transition over to BKFC, but he's part of this conversation. DA.
There's a bunch of these guys who are kind.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Of like this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
These guys are absolute war horses. And when I say durable,
I don't just mean tough in the fights, but durable
as key figures as part of lightweight. I mean, this
is what really occurred to me watching this PC was
not just like the way in which Trevor Whitman and

(01:06:42):
just engaged you came up with the game plan where
they would slip roll to come over the top and
then feed those uppercuts. It was so fucking awesome. It
was incredible, dude. And by the way, to recover from
that knockout mentally in the way that he did in
terms of, like you know, willing to engage in action
was incredible. To see that. Just that alone was remarkable.

(01:07:03):
But I want to say something like, Dude, I can't
prove this, but I think that if arminsar Yuki and
had fought Islam Makachev at the January pay per view.
I think I think Markachev would have won again. I
can't prove that, but what I can say is physique
granted our short notice and he fought well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yes, he fought well, and he was ripped for short notice.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
For short notice, I mean, these guys stay incredible shape,
but he couldn't get the job done with multiple cracks. Dude.
When this generation of lightweights fully go, the Eddies, the Dustins,
the Justins, to an extent, Islam himself the RDA's hooker.
When they go, the next generation will not be able
to fill their shoes. They've had now multiple cracks at

(01:07:41):
replacing these guys and they simply cannot do it. They
have to wait until these motherfuckers get out of the
business due to old aggs.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Yeah, Pier was like BSD, No.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Dude, this is what I mean. And I gotta say
I'm actually worried a little bit about the next generation
of lightweight because it's not just the way you build
up f acclaim, but the way that the public learns
to take you seriously and understand your prowess is by
getting those kinds of big victories which this old generation
keeps doing the mutumbo and fucking blocking them the whole
time that they're trying. And Justin Gaichee after a devastating

(01:08:17):
knockout loss plenty of time off short notice opponent who
by the way, will absolutely knuckle up with you, yes
right away, and by the way, in that first round
look pretty fucking good, I have to say. But to
come back that way again, not not not rescuing himself,
but you know, turn the tide in the second with
that uppercut, and then in the third, by the way,
a very close third round two. Nevertheless, I cannot overstate

(01:08:39):
to you how special that performance was, how special Justin
Gaechee is. And this class of lightweights play the last
of the Mohicans guys, because when they go, the next
generation they'll replace them in the sense that you know,
someone's got to be the fifth ranked guy when all
the rest of them go, and the third and who
everything else. They cannot replace what they have been to us.

(01:09:00):
They cannot replace what they have meant to us. They
cannot replace their heroics. A truly all time special class
of fighters. Yeah, they're lightweights, but independent of the lightweight division,
and we are lucky to be sitting here at this time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I mean, we don't do DVDs anymore, but imagine putting
on a DVD collection of every great lightweight brawl with
these top of league guys that are all aging at
the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
It's in And I've said it before again, if you
look at the best guys at lightweight, your bj pens,
your islams, and your hbib's, they don't necessarily have the
best fights, right. The best fights comes from the gay chees.
They come from the Chandlers, it comes from the eddies,
it comes from the Tony Ferguson was part of that.
RDA is part of that, and on down the list.
All those guys, they're the ones that made you fall

(01:09:44):
in love with the fight game. They're the ones that
had those fights where you remember exactly where you were
when they were when you were watching it, whether you
were in the arena or not in the arena. Justin
Geechee put on another fucking one of those with by
the way, BC headwinds the entire way, yes, and still
got the fucking job.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
So it's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Dustin Poorie went in the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
I'm not Dusoe, Robbie Lawler went in the Hall over
the weekend in the Hall of Fame, and uh, well
deserved shout out to Ruthless. And I love seeing him
cry too, because you never see any emotion from Robby
in his whole career, and then he's crying during I
loved it.

Speaker 10 (01:10:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
He had that three fight stretch, the rematch against Hendricks
to win the title, which was a fun fight, action fight,
then Condit and McDonald Part two back to back, which
were you know, the two gnarliest fights ever, that three
fight stretch, and by the way, he lost the title
after that, no surprise, the wear and tear in there.
I'm always like, that's probably the gnarliest manliest three fight
stretch anybody has. What about gay Chee's first three UFC fights,

(01:10:40):
the Michael Johnson Fight of the Year and then the
law the TKO late losses to both Eddie and Pourier
where they were just gnarly all. I mean, those three
fights and he lost two of them, by the way,
are like three of the gnarliest manliest performances in succession
that we've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
That doesn't even include his World Series of Fighting fights, which,
by the way, or there's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Some guy that happened after.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Yeah, there's some bangers on that one too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
There's a lot of bangers. So in his last four
fights now Geechee two wins over for Zeve, a head
kick knock out of Dustin Pourier, and then of course
the loss to Holloway. He has set himself up for
a very very big fight. Here's justin talking about that proposition.

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
For The great thing about your career is you can
literally fight anybody in the division. Uh, you know it's
gonna be a great fight. What does interest you? You know,
you said, hey, I'm here. I mean, does trying to
get Dan Hooker again? Does that make sense to you?

Speaker 10 (01:11:29):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Are you thinking more like title shots with I mean,
what does make sense to you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:11:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
We'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
What do you want? What I mean, what do you
still want at this point in your career?

Speaker 14 (01:11:39):
I mean, I want to fight for the bell. Obviously
it's much different matchup. And I just had They tried
to give me a donut. I took a bite, but
I gotta I gotta get back to running if I'm
gonna fight Makachev.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Obviously you mentioned there you need to get the Cardio
on point. What are some other things that you kind
of think about when you look at a match up
with him and how that could potentially go.

Speaker 14 (01:12:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to get my jiu jitsu coach
out here, truly, just confidence. He's a tough matchup for
and he's so good, so strong, and you know, I
have to have a perfect night if I want to
beat him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I guess for anyone that might wonder like, why should
you get the shot over Arman or.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Charles, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Argue with yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Fair, that is fair? That is fair? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Is his case strong? And should it be elevated above
Olivera and Saryuki? And based on the three wins and
four fights that I mentioned and the fact that we
have not seen this matchup yet, gay chie versus Machup.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I don't know if it's the strongest argument meritocratically, but
I don't know that that really matters. It's a good
argument meritocratically, and it's a great argument for this era
of lightweight and Islam. By the way, it's also good
for Islam because it's a tough challenge. Granted you have
to imagine that in the takedowns. What Habbie was able
to do and get to the back that Islam might

(01:13:01):
be able to do something similar. So I would favor
Islam to win. But you know, when was the last
time Geichie was matched up against anybody and you were like, eh,
I could take it or leave it. Like it just
doesn't it doesn't exist in that way. So and by
the way, like you know, these guys are I'm sick

(01:13:22):
of talking about it, but these guys are underpaid. It's very,
very difficult. I mean a guy like Gaichi, whever how
much money he's made, it should be ten xt Yes,
you know, getting an opportunity in a title fight. Obviously
the title fight itself wouldn't necessarily change his fortunes, but
getting the title then he has any subsequent ones would
be a financial windfall for him. I think this generation
of lightweights that one the A listers in my judgment,
they have earned it ten times over. So I'd be

(01:13:44):
in favor of it, says again, so are you again?
I'm sorry? Like I know he's my Armenian brethren. He's
simply not ready. I just don't think that he's ready.
I don't think his skills set is matured enough. He
can wait a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
His body is a wonderling.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
It is his first team all body.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
I'll use my hands.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
So if if not the okay, let's say it is
the title. Let's say gay Chee gets mahuchev next. I
think that fight is gonna be well anticipated, and I think,
especially considering that Poorier turned that that title opportunity into
a Fight of the Year contender, It's just gonna be
fun no matter what, even if Islam figures himut and
stops him. But who Luke Thomas if that happens, would

(01:14:20):
go to to Poria and who would go to Poorier
if that is the way it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
So if you take an interview with Submission Radio where
he said that he heard it's gonna be uh Holloway three,
I can't hate on that which is on that, But
again again it's just it's just the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Pay per view main event.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
You don't even need to be on that. Yes, you
could be a dickhead, go ahead, but dude, he's oh
and two.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Halloway's oh and two against Dustin?

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Why are we but he's revived one?

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Then what Marquez wash and three against before he.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
Turned his different sport? But I don't know, it just
feels weird.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Well, I wouldn't have hated a Pourier gai Chi trilogy
because I feel like they put they both of them,
even with Chandler, in this era of great lightweights, they've
made the best fights, and I think the best came
from them together, especially that first Pourier ag one is
my favorite fight of this great action era. But here's
Gaichee saying why that's not an option for it?

Speaker 13 (01:15:17):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Are you interested in finding Dustin Poier for his retirement fight?

Speaker 10 (01:15:21):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (01:15:22):
No, I've stated many times I don't think either one
of our families deserve that we're one on one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
I'm okay with it. If he's okay with it.

Speaker 14 (01:15:30):
Then no, I don't think that's I don't I don't
think we're.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
I think we're contenders if we be other people.

Speaker 14 (01:15:39):
If I be him, I don't think either one of
us would be considered a contender.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
You agree with them that logic, not exactly, But I
don't bemoan him not wanting a third fight, and I
disagree with long onan Luke. I mean, I get that
it's not a fresh matchup between Parier and Holloway.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Holloway does have to be mf bel if we're.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Keeping Yes, So there's that. But the point I want
to make was like we got Jose Aldo fighting Mario
Bautista and then Diggity Donk and then Rick Rick Orson
is a hobby, yeah exactly, but like this is to
be not a useful application of Aldo's time, and especially
in Twilight Years anyway. So if so, what I'm trying
to make is you got legend versus legend in Holloway

(01:16:17):
and Porier like and by the way, like you would
at least admit Long Island, Luke. It's gonna be a good.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Fight, right, No, that's I don't want it to be misconstrued.
It's gonna be a great You just have a different idea.
Just feel like it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Okay, Chandler's fighting Pimblet. If Dustin fights Max and Justin
fights Islam, then who will Toporia make his one fifty
five debut against the McGregor at one seventy in a
pay per view or will he wait for the winner
to get the winner of Islam and Justin.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
I don't know, because I thought it would have made
sense for him to have a fight against Chucky Olives.
I really thought to Pori versus Charles Lavera was the
fight to make.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
So are they gonna make a Olivera Saruki in too,
because they're both kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
I don't know what the fuck they're going to do,
because that, to me was the fight to make. And
then Toporia is like, oh no, I don't. I don't
want to be take a number one contender fight. And
I'm like, you kind of need to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
If they make him fight, do bronx, Toporio, do bronx?

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Oh my god, Yeah, that's that's Boner.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
That's my that is Long Island. Look are you feeling
it in the loins?

Speaker 13 (01:17:16):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
That would be sick fight. But I actually I want
Illio to get the immediate title shot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
I don't think we can lose here. I don't think
we can lose.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Yeah, you could do that too. I mean obviously that's
you know, Ilia and Islam is obviously a huge fight.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Finally, here's a picture of that first round where Physique
was having control and then gae Chee tossed his salade
of all positions in MMA, the reverse triangle. I mean,
that's a tough one. What is the I'm going to
ask a sincere question here. As ridiculous as this sounds,
in the in busheto in in in top level mma,

(01:17:49):
can you weaponize flatulence or would that be looked at
the equivalent of like kicking somebody in the balls in
a street fight.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
I don't know if giving someone pink eye is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
I mean, is that a gentleman thing where they where
they're like, okay, you don't do that. If I've got
you know, if I'm sitting on your face, I'm not
gonna just.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Yeah, but I gotta be honest. Like anybody who's wrestled
or don jiu jitsu, it's not like their crotch of
your opponent's ember smells awesome. I remember I remember one time,
this is a true story. I remember one time I
went for a head inside single on a guy and
his crotch smelled like a fucking dumpster fire covered in

(01:18:25):
a like embryonic fluid that had been sitting in the
sun that someone urinated on. I was like, dude, I
don't know what's wrong with your genitals, but please go
set them on fire because this is unacceptable as your
training partner.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Well, that takes us the topic number four, and it
is the UFC three thirteen Undercard. Wow, fighting nerds are
taking over this time. Mauricio rufi with the wheel kick
ko heard around the world. I think Terry Adam rolled
over in his grave against King Green.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
We don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
We can't show the highlight, but I just want to
show the fighting nerds reaction here, Capsey, that's of course
Dan Silver, Carlos practish, so Luke.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
I use that video to set up this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
We can talk about anybody here on the undercard, but
you can argue that that Rufie stole the show. What
is the secret right now behind this overwhelming savagery of
the fighting nerds Jim and some pie sal Polo And
how serious should we be taking Mauricio Rufie, who's now
four known the UFC twelve and one overall with eleven

(01:19:49):
finishes and like I mentioned, unbeaten in the Contender series
in UFC talk the savagery of fighting nerds and his
hoofy looking as real as he as he looked there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Dude, this is one of the first of all easy
knock out of the ear contender easy, easy, easy, easy, easy,
just just one of the best things you've ever seen.
First of all, there's that second of all, hoofy I
are again, I'm not. They called him Hoofy, then they
called him Roofie, and now they're calling them ghb. I
don't know what they're calling them, but you know what
I'm saying, they're just giving him na, just teasing the

(01:20:22):
What I'm trying to make is it's still a little
early because giving somebody Bobby Green or excuse me, I
keep doing it. Giving somebody King Green is very different
than giving them. But tell you, shagam rot right, you're
getting up. You know, we still don't really know how
that would go. They give him a very stylistically advantageous opponent,
but holy shit, he over delivered. But let me just

(01:20:43):
say this, because you asked about the fighting nerds themselves,
they are easily one of the best things about the
fight game to day, not just because they're speed running
the collection, each of them Projess you mentioned Silva, you
could do who good on the list. They're speed running

(01:21:03):
the development of their own highlight reels like all time
highlight reels. By the way, this one is going to
stand the test of time for a long time. But
that they come from the same team. These guys are
so focused on letting personal creativity and being in a
flow state with their offense deliver such a new and

(01:21:25):
I mean there's nothing formulaic about what they do. Everything
feels like it comes from their heart. And this is
why I think fans respond. Are you getting devastating KOs
and devastating highlight reels and cool stuff like that, Yes,
of course, but you're also getting, even with language barriers BC,
you're getting to see fighter personality. You're getting to see,

(01:21:47):
like I don't, Hoofy speaks a little bit of English
and Proches does speak some pretty decent English. But even
if they didn't, don't you feel like you would understand
them better. Watching how they move through face offs and
then into the fights themselves, and how they go about
picking apart their opponents, you can get a sense of
who they are and how they think about things, and
their vision of things and what appeals to them and

(01:22:08):
what doesn't just by watching them compete. They're not following,
you know, jab one two level change, you know, and
then we're just gonna do best practices and you just
follow those. They are setting the table for a new
set of best practices by personal expression. When we talk
about mixed martial artists. These guys emphasize the last part,

(01:22:28):
yes artists, and it shows up in the most dynamic
of ways. This is such a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
They bring contagious joy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Yes, they bring approachable branding, meaning they always have a
ton of those glasses and they're putting it on bronze.
They're they're putting on every lost tanko everybody. So they're
like approachable, like this comedic group, but they're absolute savage.
Is in the cage. I mean, what's in the water
in the gym. I mean there's like they must tear
up the favellas at night, right, just like like Johnny
Walker in Scotland.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Right, Oh, Jeff laying pipe, I mean call him the
plumber because he was laying pipe all over scott.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
But like each one, we're having the same conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Are they for real in their own division?

Speaker 10 (01:23:09):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Well, these are sep of conversations because it's nice to
see a guy who can flow and express himself. By
the way, do you know who was the original guy
in MMA who did that? Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva was
the guy who was kind of like it, who didn't
speak English for long stretches of his UFC run. But
you could feel like you could get you could understand
who he was by these incredible artistic, you know, displays

(01:23:32):
of acrobatic skill and the front kick to Vitor and
the whole nine yards more than just that, you know,
the whole bit. They're that. But he also had to
face down wrestlers. He also had to face down guys
who Nate mark Wark took mount on him or not. Sorry,
I don't know if Nate did. But Travis Luter did,
you know all different kinds of ways you have difficult challenges.
We still don't know about these guys yet. And I
think twenty twenty five, certainly for Projests and certainly for Silva,

(01:23:56):
because he now he's got that Bryce Mitchell fight, we're
gonna get a little bit closer to an answer that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Might make him a star indirectly. Like I get ultimately
what the UFC is doing. I just don't like it's
just all weird. It's all weird. But anyway, this is
about the fight Nerds and Long Island.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
If you're gonna play matchmaker, how do you escalate that
win for Roofie to keep him as Buzzworthy as his
teammates seemed.

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
To be right now, I'm not looking at the rankings,
but Bobby Green, I know he wasn't ranked coming into
this fight, but he has been ranked before. I feel
like you gotta give him someone in that ten to
fifteen range, someone fun who's gonna strike with him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
I don't have a name in the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
I mean, this whole card was a lightweight showcase in
a lot of ways. So why don't I bring in
the other name right here that some people want to
match him with? Bahamondees Ignascio. He took out Jalen Turner
and then he retired him. How would you compare this
as a breakout performance Rufie and Bahamonde's and is that

(01:24:55):
the answer?

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Match them again?

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I'm not so sure it's a breakout performance just yet.
I mean, it's not his fault. I mean, he did
everything times a million that he was supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
But Turner was not there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
I mean he was not there. And I was talking
with long Luke about this ahead of time. How did
the triangle get locked up? Because if you notice he
throws the trigle, if he fakes an alma plata, he
can't get it, and so when he circles back on
a plata, you have to be this way. And then
when he circles back into him, that's when he locks
up the trigle. But it's not fully locked in because
you'll notice that Turner is like you know, he's standing,

(01:25:28):
he's sitting ramrod straight, very very difficult to get a
triangle under the circumstances. You have to pull them down
to you, or go to them whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
So what does he do?

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
He scoots underneath, Yes, but he takes both of the
wrists of Jalen Turner and then pulls it into him.
It's hard to explain if you've never trained, but let
me just say this. That should never happen to you ever,
under any circumstance. Ever. It should never be a case.
It's a little bit less. Actually this is not true
in the gee, where guys can get double sleeve, but

(01:25:59):
in Nogi, no one should be able to reach out
and grab both of your wrists and you do nothing
about it. If someone has both of your not just
one dude, someone grabs one of your fucking wrists, you're
in trouble. If they get both of them and you
don't contest that. And I know he was moving kind
of quickly, but it should be automatic if they're able
to make a double grip on you in nogi and

(01:26:19):
you were not immediately peeling grips, first of all, you
can see what happens. And also like well trained, dialed
in fighters, like how many times have you ever seen
someone get double sleeve pulled into a triangle in the UFC?
It almost from guard no less, it never happens. It's
very very unusual. That to me tells me in the

(01:26:40):
fact that he retired.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Obviously he's bigger, mean, he's lost, He's only twenty nine
Jalen Turner. But this is four losses and he even
though I think he was not there a bunch of
those losses, like we said in the preview, coming in,
didn't tell the full story, came in in great shape.
He looked okay early on. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Yeah, you should never ever, ever, ever let someone make
grips on you like that. Ever, it should never happen.
The fact that it did was like a red flag.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
How about Bahamondos against Matt Rovolan next, and then we'll
do I'll take it. And then we'll do. I'll take
it Roofie against.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Be careful that one.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
Yes, all right, sod though is rumored.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
He did the out of sign you a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Yes, ESD is rumored to.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
Be fighting winner of that fight BC.

Speaker 6 (01:27:27):
I was saying to Luke pre show that I like
Bahamunda's versus physive. I think that could be a banger.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
That is that is interesting too. But that's that's three
losses in a row for physive. Now, I mean he's
got to get Let the guy get a full camp
here in a healthy neeed. But uh yeah, okay, I mean,
are you down on physive after this? We didn't mention
that or you say days he tried his best man,
It's not again.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
It's one of those things where it's like you watch
him fighting, like did he perform poorly?

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Not at all?

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Yeah, not at all, but the fact that he couldn't
break through again and now he's in his thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Quickly on the rest of this car Josh van another
Josh when not? I mean didn't he had a word.
He had to earn it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
He had to earn it. It was not very easy.
It did to me. It was a good it was
a very good performance from Josh Van, who am still
quite quite high on. To me, it was a little
bit more of race. Aruya's lack of overall development kind
of costing him here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
When he finds out you can punch in these fights,
he's gonna be good race, You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Yes, that's basically it. He's obviously he's grappling as phenomenal,
but it's just dude, he's a one trick pony.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
A little bit so amando Leimos didn't didn't make us
like overly excited, but she got the win there. I mean,
unfortunate that Joe Rogan said he instead of she when
talking about her.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Who gives a shit like we don't have time. Women's
mma is a fucking disaster. It's a disaster. Am I wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
You got issues with suffrage too?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
No, they can vote. I mean they should be voting.
They're wonderful people, but this that side of the game
is a fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Since we had so much downtrodden. Anything else you want
to say about this car positively Long Island. Anybody jump
out on your main card minute undercard here?

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
Carlos Leal look good against Alex Marono for whatever, That's what.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Ye, Corona looks like he's on the way out.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
But yeah, yeah, Francis Marshall got robbed.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
That first fight was sloppy, gross and wild.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Did you see the Jordan and Ozzie fight? Yes, yes
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
There was no technique going.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Yeah, I mean, you know, what are we doing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
What are we doing? All right?

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(01:29:47):
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I know you took down some of them wings.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
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follow the instructions and everything that they sent you and
you fired it all up. We did it, and we

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Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
All right, let's continue on down the topic list here
and let's go two topic number five. This is boxing
quick little round up here. Maybe first and foremost, the
New York Stay Athletic Commission upon an appeal request from
Lamont Roach Junior for his controversial majority draw against Ravonte
Davis just a few weeks back, ABC on Prime pay

(01:32:07):
per view and the missed Knockdown call in round nine
along with the replay malfunction. A lot went bad here
against Lamont Roach, but the New York stay Athletic Commission
has declined that appeal, and Luke, they did admit in
their investigation that referee Steve Willis blew the knockdown call
in round nine. They did acknowledge their inability to get

(01:32:29):
the replay under law there, but they ultimately rude that
they would not change the outcome of the fight, claiming
it couldn't predict how the next three rounds would go
after that had they gone back in time and fixed that.
So while the ruling on the surface appears to be
yet another raw deal for Roach, who kind of couldn't
get a break from this, the New York sty Athletic

(01:32:51):
Commission right call or not right call from the standpoint
of avoiding a future precedent of people wanting to go
back and change the results in fire, because it's really
been a fifty to fifty split on the reaction to it,
Luke outside of like, hey, Roach probably deserved better and
boy did he. Should we extend that power where they'll
go back and change a result if there's as much

(01:33:11):
pressure coming there?

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
Way, I am. I don't think it's the biggest deal
in the world that they didn't overturn it because the
knockdown wasn't called, but the fact that they also didn't
disqualify him when the referee was going one, two, three
visible we talked about it visibly is counting, visibly stops counting.
The guy puts his head out, gets wiped off again.
We don't know he's claiming he got stuff out of

(01:33:34):
his eye, but we actually don't even know what I
said that's really true. It's just the story that he
told us. And you know, by the way, I'm not
saying that's not ultimately true. I'm saying an unscrupulous fighter
could have could use the exact same logic for much
more nefarious purposes, and we're just gonna let it go.
I don't understand these arguments about like, oh, well, if
Tank had got a point deducted, he could have fought differently. Okay, Well,

(01:33:55):
if Tank had fought differently than Lamont, roach could have
also fought differently, and it could have also even increased
his lead, and it could have even led to a knockout.
This idea that like this was all in the hands
of Tank and that's the only deciding factor about how
it all could have changed. To me, is a really
empty argument. It could have changed any number of downstream
effects that have nothing to do with Tank, or at

(01:34:15):
least that a bare minimum in addition to any kind
of change Tank made. The reality is this, dude, show
me what the fair due process to Lamont Peterson looks like.
You had a refuge. I keep doing the Peterson Lamont roach.
Show me what that looks like. You had a referee
begin account stop, there's no accounting for that. You had
a guy stick his head out and a corner come
up and wipe something off, and he takes a knee.

(01:34:36):
And the answer that the commission comes up with is
we're going to do nothing. I gotta say I'm torn
on this, though I'm not torn. They should overturn that
fucking result that is to a bare minimum disqualified Tank.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
This is the first time I think I've I felt
like I'm willing because and in people that ask me
in recent podcasts, you know, what would you do? And
I'm like, or what should happen? And I'm like, it
should be overturned because it's obvious how wrong it was.
And they screwed over Roach in like three different ways.
But that is a there's enough corruption in boxing where
I don't know if I like the precedent, because let
me give you an example. We all remember Mike Tyson

(01:35:11):
getting knocked out by Buggert Buster Douglas in nineteen ninety.
What I sometimes forget is Don King, for weeks after
was trying to get that appealed. They were arguing that
there was a long count earlier when Douglas got knocked
down by Tyson, and I remember thinking, as a kid man,
this guy Buster Douglas just had this, you know, great
and breakthrough moment. But this evil rich promoter is going
to use, you know, the legal system to potentially try

(01:35:32):
to uphend that and get history changed. And I remember
when that appeal wasn't changed. It was like, I don't
know if I want that introduced. Even though this is
an extreme situation where Roach got screwed, I don't want
there to be an opening for for for that to
become the norm. Oh, we don't like the results, so
we're gonna pick out one thing like there's room for
human error, even like I don't think you should go.

(01:35:53):
That's why it was always against relay error replay in
the NBA, I was always against because I feel like
that's a game that if you stop for long periods,
that slows the momentum in so many ways. That's why
I'm largely against instant replaying a lot of situations. But
I wouldn't want instant replay after the fact. I wouldn't
want to watch an NBA playoff game and then after
the fact they're like, oh, we did make a mistake,
let's let's switch the score the other team wins.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
That would feel so.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
You know what I'm saying. No, you don't disagree, You
don't agree with me, No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
I think people are hand ringing over absolutely nothing. How
many different ways can you fuck a guy, take away
his due process and then say that the result should
be we do absolutely nothing about it. This is the problem.
The solution is the thing that we're not actually doing.
What we're doing is just prolonging the problem. People like,
to your point, well, it's a bit of a slippery slope. No,

(01:36:39):
the fuck it is not.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
I think it is. The lawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
The lawyer for Lamont Roach didn't just list the knee
as you indicated. He listed several different ways in which
the Commission aired. And my question to everyone is how
many fucking things does the Commission have to screw up
and take away what they owe in terms of fairness,
Like was that contest can deducted fairly for lamont roach?

(01:37:03):
And the answer is absolutely fucking not. Okay, you cannot
let me finish. You cannot make the argument that that
was fair to him. And in fact, what you can
argue is that they.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Broke not one, several rules.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
To arrive at a place where Tank Davis enjoys a draw.
It is bullshit. It is a fraudulent result based on
a series, not one, a series of failures. The solution
is to address this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Okay, I've acknowledged that. I fully agree he got completely screwed.
That's not the argument. So you're I don't know who
are you yelling at?

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
By the way the camera?

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
Oh, is there like a group of people that you're
targeting here?

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
This?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
After we do a show where we talk for a living?
Am I allowed to put a little bit of life
into it?

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Put a little mustard on that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
I like that. I'm gonna ask you, is there a
middle ground where we can change this to a no contest.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
I could live with I could live with that fight
Fan Long Island, Luke, what do you think about that
this specific let's apply this to MMA if it was
a big UFC fight.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
So I just want to bring it back to NBA
for a second, because you were saying like it'd be
weird to live in a world where you see the
result then the next morning they change it. NBA all
the time will tweet out and say, we fucked up
the call at the end of that game, this team
should have won.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
We fucked up. They don't ever change.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
See, there's a there's more of an argument. I get
that this is an extreme example of Roach getting fucked.
You don't have to creep relitigating that. But I do
think that change is oppressive.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
And I'm gonna ask a question one more time. Was
that fight, by the rules conducted fairly for Lamont Roach?

Speaker 11 (01:38:30):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
The answer is no. And so what I'm asking is,
why does that decision then on their record? Why are
we sanctifying it? Why are we sanctifying it as some
kind of legitimate above board process. It was not fair,
The result was not fair. It should be fucking overturned.
It's not fair.

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
But again, this happens all that, Like, there was that picture.
I think his name was Galaraga or something.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
On the first Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, sorry Almond.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Game on his record, but he doesn't he.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Has right, that's one failure. That's one failure. We're talking
about a cascading series.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
No contest change. It's just because, look, we all want
to rematch. It seems that they're going in that direction.
Tank has a contractually obligated if he kicks it in
that he can make this. So he says publicly he
wants it. Let's hear from Gary Jonas of Probox, who's
sort of acting as promoter.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Slash, which is Roach's team, tells me that's not true.
I mean there there yeah, an advisor, yes, but not
a promoter.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Technically he's not a promoter, but he's kind of a
helping advisor for him. Here's him and Roach talking about
a rematch. Important question on everyone's mind. How close is
the rematch?

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
How big will it be? How close is it to
getting done?

Speaker 8 (01:39:42):
It?

Speaker 12 (01:39:43):
Very close, it's it's in my mind it's a done deal.
But there are formalities, but it's a done deal and
it's not far off. I can't give you more than
that right now. What I can tell you is that
it is going to be an interesting fight. I think
you've got dynamics, You've got Javonte, who's probably going to
be angry, probably woken up, probably more focused than he
has been, not talking about retirement.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
That's a factor.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
May May is pretty pretty sooner than later. Right May is.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
I would be totally okay with that. I just I
want to say something if I can. And it's a
common denominator because remember it's the same commissions that are
doing MMA in boxing, it's the exact same I mean,
we might have different referees and stuff, but it's the
same governing agencies. You can see in both MMA and
boxing there's this reluctance to call upon the regulatory apparatus

(01:40:36):
to do more. Oh, we don't want referees in MMA
to break things up. If you can't stand up on
your own, you're on your own. And there's this whole
movement about that, Oh, we don't want them, you know,
to be righting any wrongs as part of the commission
because you know, at this encroachment by the officiating staff
and by the office itself, this will this will pollute

(01:40:59):
the game. And I'm like, you're just tolerating bullshit that
happens all the fucking time, either how the sport looks
or how judgments are rendered, because you have this abnormal
and frankly irrational fear about asking the people who are
charged with doing this correctly to dot dot dot do
it correctly. You cannot screw over guys in main events

(01:41:23):
like this. But by the way, Lamont, roach may never
even get a rematch. They're talking about maybec but you know,
how this goes, something could happen. He may never even
get the rematch.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
This was a huge there's a country, there's a contract,
they have to have it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
There's all kinds of ways that could fall up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I mean, if Tank says no, then it falls, it
falls apart.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
What I'm saying is these opportunities for guys like Lamont,
they they very rarely come around. They fucked him more
than one way, and then the answer is we want
to do nothing. And people like oh, they didn't interfere
with the way it naturally went, well, the way it
naturally went.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
But it changed the precedent. So make it a no
contest and they better grow and learn from But will
they I don't know. Will there be a Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Act in a few years, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
But our next our topic within this is we got
a little bit more knowledge of what this TKO boxing
takeover could eventually look like, with Dana White saying in
recent interviews it's actually not until another eighteen months from
now that they want to launch sort of the Young
Fighter League that they want to do. Other data developments
are that they want to have a small amount of
weight classes, maybe marrying the original eight that had been

(01:42:26):
part of boxing for so long and not have seventeen
like boxing currently has, which I'm not against by any means.
But the idea that they would work with other people, well,
we also got that answer at the UFC three thirteen
postfight press conference.

Speaker 15 (01:42:41):
You talk about the business of boxing, one of the
biggest issues in it is that the guys who are
in boxing can't get on and they never do deals.
And it took Turkey to come along with money to
basically make them work together. Right, So with that respect,
when you've come on to do this for Turkey, do
you almost have to cut out these other guys because
they're just going to make your job harder, right, if
you have to negotiate with every promoter in the song,

(01:43:01):
do you have to come out and eventually just get
rid of these guys lock the bin Akatraz, Like Turkey said,
I just do it yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:43:10):
I'm more focused on if you think about the UFC
when we when we bought the company, we had three
letters the old Octagon and twelve contracts. We had to
build the thing from the ground up. I think that
the sport of boxing is so broken it needs to
be built from the ground up again. And that's what
I'm gonna focus on doing. You know, He's got some
commitments over the next eighteen months with a lot of

(01:43:33):
guys and a lot of fights and a lot of
different promoters. But I I talk a lot about USA's
Tuesday Night fights. You know, they put on like the best,
the best up and coming fighters all fought.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
He would go on to talk about that model that
he wants to do, but that's a big reveal. There
no plans to work with other promoters. So this really
is going to be a league with they want to
call it or not. They're going to have their own titles,
which is a violation currently of the Muhammad Ali REFORMAC.
We'll see if they can go around that or get
it changed. Data does not seem to be worried about that.
How does this change quickly your your vision of what

(01:44:12):
DKO might mean?

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
I hope everyone stands this. UFC titles are not real,
you know that, right?

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Like you have a UFC staff under oath, not just
Mark Ratner, but Lawrence Epstein and others. You have a
Lorenzo for Tida admitting it's just a trophy they hand
out to the best fighter that night. But it actually
isn't a real title in the way that we typically
understand titles. It's just a thing that they made up.
So there's that as well. I mean, guys, I keep

(01:44:38):
donning explain every one, like what's gonna happen here? And
on top of it, not only are they not going
to work with other promoters and everything else that want
to do reduce the number of wait classes, which by
the way, could be kind of interesting. I suppose we'll see,
but you know, I mean, we've kind of been over
this PC.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
But I don't know. They're coming in with day one
ideas that they're going to be UFC in boxing, same model,
same partrol, when the reality is they're the equivalent of
Bellator or PFL trying to come into MMA against the
behemoth UFC. Now in boxing right now, there's not one behemoth.
It's spread out. And I'm not saying that they're not
going to have some incredibly large advantage with Turkey's money

(01:45:12):
now going right at them rather than spreading it to
other promoters. But to come out without a roster, how
are they gonna you know what I mean? You can,
you can probably overpay and get a few big names,
but how are you going to be the premier operation
when that's how you're presenting yourself from day one, eighteen
months before they even launch.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
They're gonna build up a bunch of guys, sign them
to deals like the Ultimate Fighter where they're super fucking long,
they keep them under lock and keep their titles.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Won't matter if they have you know, journeymen or second
rate prospect and they don't have the other names around.
Then them having eight divisions in one title per division,
it's not the best versus the best. I mean, show
the tweet that I want to just put up there
because I feel like this is I feel like boxing
is starting to aggressively turn against this idea. I am,
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
I think betting against the UFC slash TKO is a
unwise proposition.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
I get that, But like I said that the other day,
it's like Turkey. In the beginning, the message was we're
bringing everything together. Now that TKO has arrived, it's worth
separating now, and it's your a, their weathers. You're against us.
But unless they're not telling us something like they're gonna
be able to get all these boxers out of their
current contracts, they seem a little bit too confident for

(01:46:19):
for the the the meandering battle that it's going to
be to get to that point where they own the market.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Like that, I think you're I guess we'll have to see.
I don't I don't know. I don't know how to
respond to that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
I just don't see. I don't know if you're if
you're a boxer and you know their history of how
they pay an MMA and how they structure it, and
they want to reveal they want to take get rid
of the Muhammad aliak, which will take you think boxers
give a shit, which will remove the transparency so you
can't actually see how much money was made in it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
That's probably the most important thing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
I don't take these guys to having great financial literacy
or even a sense of self preservation. All that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Well, sorry, we'll see what happens there. Very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
Those are our five topics.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Now we transition to hearing from you and answering questions
directly given to us at Morning Combat on Sunday night
on Instagram and Twitter. These are dms from donks. All right,
let's hear what the people have to say today. That
was a gross sound by the way that Donkey made
unnecessary completely. Let's put it up on the screen if

(01:47:18):
you don't mind. From Christina Pinto BJJ, is that doctor
Pinto you he was saying, I believe so. The commentators
made a point to say gait Chee's gloves did not
have the UFC logo because it came off while warming up.
Others are speculating that Justin took it off himself as
retaliation for them Blurry Trevor Whitman's gear on embedded, so
when they're introvor Whitman's gym, he has that what ONX

(01:47:41):
his own glove.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Someone asked me about this yesterday. I didn't know what
it was about, Okay, that makes more sense. I wouldn't
doubt it. I wouldn't doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
I mean, you know, we're speculating. I have no fucking idea,
but would that would that strike you as implausible? Does
not strike me as implausible.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
I mean, it was kind of crazy how quickly they
went to a new glove and then pulled it back,
like this whole thing has been kind of whiplash, Like
I want the best decision to have been made in
the you know, it makes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:08):
A little bit of sense. But because I remember when
the UFC was like, Okay, we're gonna move all pay
per views back to nine PM, and then they did
it once and they were like, no, fuck that, We're
right back to ten. They sometimes dip their toe in
something and then they're like and then they go right back.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Yeah, well they're putting more than their toe, they're putting
the whole bag in.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
But honestly, it's not their money. That's that's the key
part of this. It's not their money, right, So if
things are.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Funny, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
It's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
That does change.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
Some parts of that absolutely changed a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Let's go to our next question from a D M. Donker.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
This is from legendary third.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
They got a big old dick.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Are we in the most boring era of the UFC?
You should have been with us earlier when we were
talking about this. He says, we have ballall DDP pana
and now uncleve.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Is why is DDP getting thrown there like he's some
boring fire.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
He's one of the best things they got going right now,
and none of them are superstars. I miss tr TV tour.
Who doesn't Uber Eam and Blue choose? John Jones, I
think you can add that's the gas station dick pills.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
What that is?

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Yeah, it's like the viagraa that you can chew.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
Thought one more time, more topic we had earlier. Okay,
Vitor was obviously not American, and neither was Uberin, but
he spoke English. He was kind of here, and then
John Jones obvious the American again. Part of it is
the Americans are just simply not as competitive as they
once were. That's a part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
I think he referenced three particularly juiced up superhero Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Yeah. And then the other part is they look I
mean uber em he knows he didn't say overream. He
says uber Em. Oh, yeah, he just looked apart, like
these guys, these heavyweights, now, they don't look much better
than me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:35):
The way Ubrin was ripped for the Brock fight.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Holy holy no.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
The best one was, do you guys remember when Overream
left strike Force and the dream Champion he got and
when he was doing K one at the same time,
Michael she Evela made a joke that you could screen
a movie on his back, and I was like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:53):
He looked like two thousand and four Barry Bonds.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Basically, no question. Let's go to the next one from
these people. Oh, we didn't answer his question because we
already did for an hour. Yeah yeahah at flannels and
just we love this guy. It's probably a creeper wearing
the same pajama pants all day every day. Do you
think that the UFC is really going to commit as
much resources into grappling as they say, And how will
the impact? How will that impact the current landscape?

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
So they're talking about they said over the weekend they're
putting by the way, you see Craig Jones kiss the
other guy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Oh, you'll see it in a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Okay, So they said they were going to put ten
to twelve million into professional grappling, which is a significant amount.
By the way, that Fight Pass Invitational card they had
last week was great and I didn't get a lot
of buzz, but it was pretty great. It has some
interesting results on it. This is what I'm trying to
explain to people. Dude, They're trying to monopolize all of
combat sports, and I hope everyone understands. By the way,
we never talk about this, I'm gonna say real quickly,
MMA has become monoculture where everybody likes the same things.

(01:50:44):
They dress the same, they listen to the same podcast,
they have the same world views about every everything. It's
just tra It's just it's just monoculture up and down.
They'll take that and make grappling monoculture, and they'll take
boxing and make it monoculture that doesn't actually make get better.
I hope everyone understands.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
All you casual boxing fans of this pitch that Dan
is giving you, it's they want they.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Want to make. They want to make it monoculture top
to bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
That's soulless, that's lifeless. Next question, This is from at
MT Booble we love that name. Which past combat sports
events do you wish m K was around for.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
So pre twenty nineteen? Right, Yeah, Connor's ride and something
and Rowsy and how about.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Lewis Smelling two peak World War two? We would have
torn it about that bait and Mussolini.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
I will say MK would have been perfect for like
fan Man and Golata and all that ship you know. Oh, yes,
that would have been That would have been a perfect
time at.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
The beginning of the McGregor rocket.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
I mean that would have been.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
I'd say nineties heavyweight boxing madness ye and or Rowsy
and connor twenty fourteen second.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Heavyweight run at the top les. Oh, it was like
pro wrestling comes to like something crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Do we have any more from these damn people?

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
Yes? At Caeso Fresco one two three favorite breakfast, lunch
and dinner meals.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
I'm a breakfast burrito guy. I love breakfast burritos.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Yeah, I'm probably at the sausage biscuits and gravy meal
that you can get, you know, with it with scrambled
eggs like that. Okay, waffles at like a really great
place like in downtown Atlanta or somewhere like that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
Okay, that's pretty much a mentioning black places.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
Now I'm not allowed to enjoy the breakfast in Atlanta.
Then you were talking about lunch. Are you like an
old school grilled cheese and tomato soup guy like.

Speaker 10 (01:52:36):
Me or not?

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
I'm not like that at all now, okay, but you
know what I like. I like noodles for lunch, like
you know, like a pet tie or something like that.
And for dinner, I like steak. I like a big steak.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Yeah, I like a nice meat loaf for a lasagna.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
I'll come for a type guy, you know, I take
comfort and things, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
Then for a long lucas just whatever he can inhale
through the ball, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:52:56):
Yes, hits all day now, bacon, egg and cheese in
the morning of maybe sandwich for lunch and dinner, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Going taco bro I'm telling you I love a chop cheese.
Holy fuck New York City chop cheese is like amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
All right. I think that's all the questions we have
from the people, But don't forget. You can reach our
show at Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Send in your
videos for our debate earlier about UFC star Power.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
I would love to make that a Friday topic that
we revisit and like we react to pay and especially
if you disagree, Yes, especially if you disagree, we would
love to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Okay, And also send your fans subs, your dead wrongs,
and if you send them, we'll play them. That's how
this deal works, unless you, of course, you put a
picture of your Jena Taylor and there Mikey does not
deserve that. Our final segment is where I scour the
globe on Sundays to try to find these videos that
are wild. Right, here's here's BC's feces.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
All right, Luke, here we go. I'm trying to get
to at least a level. I need an a grade today.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
All right, let's see what you got.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
UFC three thirteen in Las Vegas. Friend of the Show,
Craig Jones was cage side. I can't show the video, Luke,
because they'd pull us down. But yeah, he went right
after that gentleman next to him. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
I mean, here's the thing. If you're ironically gay, what's
the difference between that and actually being gay? Like, here's
what I'm saying. You can be like, oh, I'm ironically
fucking dudes, and it's like, yeah, but you're still just
fucking dudes, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Yeah, what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
I'm just gonna say, there's no difference between being ironically
gay and gay. You're just it's just the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
You're the New Coast.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
I'm Bryce Mitchell's podcaster. Well, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
I'm just joking about, like how far he takes the best?

Speaker 9 (01:54:30):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Uh. One of the worst entertainers alive was also at
UFC three thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
Oh my fucking guy, and I saw this. Mikey loves
this guy and Chrysler I do, by the way, I.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Mean Long Island.

Speaker 6 (01:54:43):
The guy is the worst, right, It's funny. I saw
him sit in front row and someone said, do you
think he's gonna take a shirt off?

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
He's got one bit it's taking his shirt off. He's
the most disgusting man alive. Where's the drive by shooter
when you need one? Okay, I'm just saying, I'm just
thinking out loud.

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
If there was ever a question, can you be rich
and famous without having a shred of talent? Bert Chrysler
answers that question in the affirmative.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
Oh wow. Also, we wanted to celebrate and congratulate Robby
Lawler getting into the Class of twenty twenty five of
the UFC Modern Wing Hall of Fame. Here's the greatest
moment in Robbi Lawler's entire career.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Did you want the rumored Connor McGregor fight to happen?

Speaker 12 (01:55:22):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:55:23):
I wasn't too worried about it. Obviously that was a
big fight. He was a he's a big draw. But
it wouldn't have been good for him. How so, because
if I heard him, I wasn't taking his neck?

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
What are you gonna take his soul? That was.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
God, that's so bad ass.

Speaker 3 (01:55:49):
That's the greatest fairness. That was the setup for his
fight with Tyrone Woodley, where Woodley eised him in the
first round. But nevertheless, it's an all time.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
He was coming off of those three fights I mentioned
oc session, he was the baddest ass he ever was
the fact that if you've interviewed him and kind of
know him a little, he doesn't care about.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
So this is this is a true story. So I
one time worked for you. We talked about this. I
worked for a promotion in the mid Atlantic in the
Oughts called you Double Ce Ultimate Warrior Challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
That's where Andrew Tape made his MMA debut, by the way,
and had like five amateurs.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
Not with the promotion that I was with. I mean,
they sold their name off to other entities, they used it.

Speaker 6 (01:56:22):
But trust me, I just want to say that we're
all sitting here going, yeah, Robbie's so bad.

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
Ask Ken who doesn't watch MMA? Goes Man, that was
cringe as hell.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
Okay, okay, okay, have you seen Ken? I mean, let's
let's pump the brakes on the Roger.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
Law needs to become a playable character in this universe.

Speaker 3 (01:56:42):
I think I don't think he's ready for it. But
I was just gonna say they hired Matt Hughes and
Robbi Lawler to be like the guest fighters, and they
came to the weigh ins because that was part of
the process. Robbie Lawler fell asleep at the weigh ins
there that he was hired.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
To damn ghit, so for him to deliver that line
just naturally, You're just like, that's a cold old motherfucker
right there. Wow, all right, Hey Logan Paul was in
a charity soccer match and got sent to held by
the announcer.

Speaker 7 (01:57:06):
Logan is a WWE wrestler and the Trump supporter, which
could be the first sign of CTA.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Let's get that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Got them there? Wow, Luke, new segment idea. It's called
would you eat?

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
I just need a yes or a no. Let's go
to the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
This is a restaurant in the UK that specializes in
bank bank burgers that you dip in. They're called Dorito's
dip Burgers. First you dip them in the cheese from
and then you dip them in the crush Doritos.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
Okay, would you eat?

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Luke?

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
Let me see this looks brilliant, this looks genius.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
I would eat?

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Yeah? Why style?

Speaker 16 (01:57:50):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
You know what I mean? Just just getting after.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Let's go to the next one, Luke, would you eat?
Kick catch up?

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:57:59):
It's Heinz flavored kick Cat.

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
I'd rather be fuck to death with an eight?

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Okay, next one? Please? I think you can maybe find
this in your Walmart grocer freezer.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
Mike's Hard Dogs. Would you do spiked Frank?

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Can't be real?

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
I don't think it is. But would you would you?

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Yes? Okay? All right?

Speaker 10 (01:58:17):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
We by the way, have have you always like no Cita?

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
Would you do?

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
Over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
We they ignore his girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
They caught him at the Islanders game. Watch this money.
Look at this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Uh, jive me for the man Condon minute when this
game is over.

Speaker 6 (01:58:44):
All right, let's go prest He just snuck the bong
into the stadium. Also, it was an ill adelf. That's
a name, Brian Bung. This guy's bringing of Glas.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
Wow, I didn't know we had the fucking I didn't
know we had the master she fu of bombs bombs
over here.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Hey, let's go to the riverside here, Luke. Remember and
Karate Kid Part two in Okinawa when they did the
water funeral. Yeah, yeah, it was a real touching moment.
Have ever been to a water funeral?

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
Like, can't say that I have? All right, it was
one of these dumb horse falling.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Oh my god, I wouldn't go that far. I mean,
these are morning people there.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
You go right there? Okay, you got to you gotta
be careful with these rotted out decks.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
My favorite segment sub segment on here is MMA Fighters
in the Wild. Here's John Jones at a at A. Yeah,
there's John Jones right there with Grandma, just getting after it, right,
that's a lot of ass play right there. Hey, you
know who might have a big rematch coming up. Sugar
Sean and Morob who were caught together in the same
hot tub at the p I like, are you like

(01:59:44):
old school enough where you don't want to see two
guys that are about to fight have friendly moments.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
I'm kind of like, keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Ca fabe, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
So there's been a big debate, Like in the NBA,
it's like, oh, Lebron's era, all these guys were friends. Yeah,
they were got for wine after that, obviously not on
the same team like Lebron's friends with guys who play
over the league, whereas in Jordan's day it was like, Yo,
fuck your mama exactly. I gotta tell you, I'm a
little bit more of the your mama also want to
have sex with your moms. I'm just saying.

Speaker 6 (02:00:07):
They also took a group photo with like ten of
them in the hot tub, and it's very similar to
themar Wait, but did they do it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
Like with that in mind?

Speaker 5 (02:00:15):
I'm thinking because Mara brought that up in the Prescotts,
we had to know, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
I don't need to tell you that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
The UFC Way and Show is off and off the rail.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
I love it well, the best things that they do.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
You love this.

Speaker 3 (02:00:24):
Excited for Pereira. I was so excited. You want to
see what exite I am for Parreira to it. I
was so excited for Perreira to fight.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Do not do that?

Speaker 3 (02:00:32):
Looks about to get naked.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
I have to wear take down?

Speaker 6 (02:00:37):
What the hell.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
You have nipples?

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
It's excitement, man, I mean, that's.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
That's basically MK material.

Speaker 3 (02:00:52):
I feel like Soldier Boy in that clip. They stole
off flow bars for bars. That's wild though, that's what
we should be doing. But we need a fun house
stick covers. Yeah, yeah, because I think if we did
that here they would ask us to leave. Probably probably
in fairness they'd they'd be in their right to do.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
Also a bonus boxer in the wild. Here's the comedic
stylings of Roly. Romero tweeted last week that you've never
lied about anything, but really you must have told some
little white lies. Tell us a lot you have told.

Speaker 3 (02:01:25):
Just a two.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Hey, bro, you know what.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
Wasn't he investigated for? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:01:32):
But he was he was found to be. This was
he the lady pulled pulled the charges.

Speaker 3 (02:01:36):
Okay, okay, we also disturbing.

Speaker 4 (02:01:38):
I don't know what to say about this video.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
So Dougie Fisher, editor of The Ring, and Turkey Alashi,
owner of the Ring, we're having a debate about whether
the t k O Boxing League could change your save boxing.
They had this debate over Twitter and then they put
out this weird video.

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
It's nothing personal.

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
I know, Yo, I'm out on this. I'm out. I'm
out on this experience.

Speaker 3 (02:02:07):
Did they throw him out of the window after that?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
I don't know if he lived, but I'm kind of
just I'm kind of just done with I'm like, we
had a great run of really fun fights.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
I'm kind of done now.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
That was a little much for me. That had isis
hostage vibe bits feelings to it anyway.

Speaker 4 (02:02:21):
Yeah, hey, new sport Alert. They call it hot air boxing.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
Look you into it?

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
Execute everyone involved with this, feed them to alligators.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Would you watch power slap if it was on top
of a balloon and you knew everyone would dine.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
Only if they popped the balloon and then everyone had
to plummet to their death every time.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
Yeah, that's something right there. All right, Hey, check out
this painting and watch closer as it gets in there,
Burton Ernie.

Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
Yeah, look at the calendar.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
What's wrong with the calendar?

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
Day? September eleventh, two thousand. Who would paint that?

Speaker 4 (02:02:56):
That's just ridiculous, dude, I didn't.

Speaker 9 (02:02:59):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:02:59):
I can't believe there's anything I do having lived through
that day, I cannot believe there is an entire industry
of humor.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
Devoted That's it so sickening, Luke. I also want to
say that, do you like when people stand on their
business in public and preach it and announce it with
what they're all about?

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
Depends I'm trying to say it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
I hate ass a lot, and I'm like, you're just healthy?

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
And when did you get this video of me? I
didn't authorize you to use this?

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
Speaking of ass, it is time to get flatulan here, Luke.
Would you call this a dream toilet? Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:03:34):
Or no? Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
I'm tempted to say yes, okay, but I think that's
a little gross.

Speaker 6 (02:03:43):
If we're gonna get nitpicky, though, your nex's gonna hurt
so long after watching the TV.

Speaker 3 (02:03:47):
Yeah, the TV, that's right, that's right. The T should
be in a different position.

Speaker 4 (02:03:50):
Is there room for the for the prep to go?

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
If you got a cooler under there.

Speaker 4 (02:03:53):
I don't know about this. Maybe there's a sliding.

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
Yeah, yeah, I don't this. This would not be my
ideal sense of indoor plumbing. I'll got it that way.

Speaker 1 (02:04:02):
Look, do you like flavored chips or just plaine chips?

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
I don't mind a little flavor.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
How about this flavor? All right?

Speaker 4 (02:04:28):
Hey, let's go to the elevator.

Speaker 3 (02:04:30):
I wonder why so many men are sexless?

Speaker 6 (02:04:47):
Can I don't go?

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
That's how I travel through South America.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
We got one more fart related video for you. You
got to give you.

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
I can see you're not into this, Luke.

Speaker 3 (02:05:12):
One day, I just think all these people should be executed.

Speaker 1 (02:05:14):
Well, you know people that ended up living in a
van down by the river. Do you think sometimes they
don't realize that they're practicing for a future like that?

Speaker 4 (02:05:21):
In fact, toys were different when we were like real
little I.

Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
Like the beer bottles floating in the in the lake.
That's nice.

Speaker 4 (02:05:29):
Okay, all right, let's keep it, let's keep the fun going.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
Next video, Please, your uncle.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
Died during nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
My fault, I mean, my apologies. It's five big booms.
What the fuck was that?

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (02:05:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
Let's go to the grocery store though, Oh.

Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
Big old arrest that piece of ship.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
Look, you know we love when dirty dancing goes wrong
and people don't have the time of their life. I'm
sure she's never felt this way before.

Speaker 3 (02:06:08):
Oh he's about to just dump her. Here we go
have a nice day.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Oh hello, that's like pulling the tablecloth out right. Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
I give that a nine point nine.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
That actually was that exceeded my expectations.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
Now, Luke, I watched the Netflix documentary on Jerry Springer.
Was very interesting, but there was way more wild TV
beyond that. Check out this old Moury episode.

Speaker 16 (02:06:33):
At the worst stomach ache of my life, I figured
it was just the corn dogs I have for lunch,
But when I went to the bathroom to relieve myself,
a hand came out of.

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
My betime and Luke, we have footage of that courtesy
of WWE. Let's go there please. That's of course, may
young remember this great moment pressed history.

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
This could be our last show once again, I'm going
to say that, where's a drive by shooter when you
need one?

Speaker 4 (02:07:16):
Eventually they pull out a giant, gross hand.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
Next video.

Speaker 4 (02:07:19):
Okay, let's keep it moving here.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:07:22):
That is that is one of the worst things I've
ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
That was pretty pretty bad. We got two more for you.
The kids, they say the darnedest things, right, Luke nice,
let me say Teddy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
Ashton Milton.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
He's about Ashton, He's about that life.

Speaker 4 (02:07:43):
And finally, Luke shout out to those jugglers.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Here's our guy. He's back. Happy for your line, motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (02:07:51):
This is to be he to show today.

Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
I'm gonna get hit with fireworks. This is for Chugglascolette, do.

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
Not try this a home hop.

Speaker 3 (02:07:58):
You like it?

Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
Remember this guy I got bitch chop.

Speaker 7 (02:08:07):
Ship fu.

Speaker 11 (02:08:23):
Shit.

Speaker 4 (02:08:35):
That's the ship of the week.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
I hope you saw it, all right, that's great.

Speaker 3 (02:08:41):
He does that all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:08:42):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:08:43):
He jumps off of ladders onto like.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
Spikes or barbed wire or whatever and then screams and
dies in pain and then you know, finds another thing
to do.

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
I'm honestly like traumatized watching that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
What was worse this or that time the guy had
the Joseph a Bay crap and then the thing came
out of his stomach. And remember that from two weeks ago?

Speaker 3 (02:09:05):
Why when did this segment turn into traumatizing me? I'm
trying to woman giving birth to a hand watch this bitch.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
All right, that's the show for this week. Thank you
Long Island Luke for doing your part, and maybe we'll
check you out. Are you're gonna be back on that
podcast years this week the bank.

Speaker 6 (02:09:22):
I'll have bet breakdown out today tomorrow and I'll do
a watch along on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (02:09:26):
All right, reach out to the show.

Speaker 1 (02:09:27):
As we mentioned Morning Combat at gmail dot com. Friday.
We'll be back eleven am from home, Luke. What do
we have this weekend? We got Keith Thurman on Wednesday,
by the way, in Australia.

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
That's this Wednesday. Okay, all right, what time is that?
By the way, I have no idea are you calling that?

Speaker 10 (02:09:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:09:41):
No, no, no, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
I don't think PC's maybe on the social maybe on
YouTube that running it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
I don't think cutting on the chain. And then Saturday
we have UFC fights. I don't thin there's anything else
in the middle of the week.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
Oh that's victory do leeds two? Right?

Speaker 5 (02:09:53):
Is that what you would be the worst part of
the year. But yeah, I mean how often do we
say We say it?

Speaker 3 (02:09:59):
Pretty often? But this one, this one's three hold up
before you go, hold on because I want to see
who's on it. Then we'll then we'll kill the show here,
hold on? So okay, Next week is you're right, Victory
Delize too. So main event victory Delize Comaine Chidi and
Jikowani versus Elizu z Leski Dos Santos. That should be fun.

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:10:17):
And then choice song Wu taking on Kevin Vallejos who
has no Wikipedia entry. Alexander Hernandez is back against Kurt
Hollibotts okay, Dumon Black Sheer taking on Cody Gibson. That's okay.
I like Cody Gibson. You Sue Young taking on A. J. Cunningham,
couldn't pick him out of a lineup. Then you go
to the prelims, Waldo Cortez Acosta taking on Ryan Spain,

(02:10:39):
Stephanie Luciano taking on Sam Hughes, dir Neergose taking on
Brenson Heberro, Carlos Vera taken on josiahs mu Sasa, Daniel
Barez taking on Andre Lima, Josian nuna Is taken on
Priscilla Catchuera, and then you Nacy du Been taking on
Carly Judas. Okay, that's a real terrible card.

Speaker 5 (02:11:02):
We could have put Cortez a Costa on the main I.

Speaker 3 (02:11:05):
Mean that is that is not a good card.

Speaker 1 (02:11:08):
So we have a star problem and a depth problem.
I mean, what is going on right now? Like, does
anyone feel like they're ruining one of the greatest things
in your life? They're just slowly ruining it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:17):
I guess, well again, put it up one more time.
More to combat at gmail dot com. I think for
Friday show, because we you know, we'll preview the big
fights and because it be the main event is noteworthy.
I would love to debate this central question, but with
the perspective of fans who don't necessarily feel this way. Yes,
I think it'd be actually kind of fun to hear
from them. I really really do. I think this is

(02:11:37):
a fun opportunity for you guys, oh Brider Luke where
they don't like it when you say that stuff. Okay,
now's your chance to tell us why we're missing something.

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
Yeah, and by the way, these beav All Benefitez rumors
are making me feel different things.

Speaker 3 (02:11:49):
Yeah, well, I mean this diary is making me feel different.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
Hey, that's the show for this week. Take care of yourselves.
We'll see a Friday. Follow us on these channels right
here below. And you know we do this because we
of you, all right, thank you, and because they paid
pretty well, so we'll see you next time, yeah,

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