UFC 315: Jack Della Maddalena Wins Title Over Belal Muhammad, Makhachev & Ilia Topuria Implications

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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twenty twenty five, looking to sweep up, wrap up, and
ship out all things post analysis to UFC three point
fifteen in Montreal. Brian Campbell that BBC with at BD
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Luke Thomas.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
This job is going to send me to an early grave,
you think so? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
And when I say this job, I mean, you know,
stak like late night's early mornings, people will be like, oh,
we would love to have your job. Don't get me wrong,
I love this job too. It's not that I don't
love the job.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I love the job.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
But the four am four am bit from Saturday night
to Sunday, it's gonna it's gonna send me Tobe.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's also your life habits just possibly.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I don't I didn't drink or do anything.

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Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, no, I love the job.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I'm just saying my body is frail and broken, and
it's hard for me to get up at four am
after going to bed at four am the previous day.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
You just got to keep fighting, you know, you just
got to keep after it.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Just like Belal, that guy went through hell to try
to try to hold onto that champion.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
We have a picture of his split list.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Can we just show that early? Can we show this early?
Dana White submitted picture on the social media web. Oh
my god is broken nose, broken orbital bone and a
split lip. On par with Robbie Lawler against Rory.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah and uh.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah over him against Curtis Blades.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Who was the Oh you're right, yes, yes, yes, I
forget about that because he was beating rosen Strike really
for the majority of that bout and then at the
end it kind of fell apart.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
And that happened to a couple once over him after
the Brock fight over him, we had a couple of
those curve balls where he's completely contro win in the
fight and then he gets knocked out.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
But I will say this, you know, not a bat
plus card on Saturday, but not a disaster that people
were expecting.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I don't think that's SS and lows, but there was
some fire to it.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
It was for a main card to have four decisions
and for you to feel like, all right, that was okay.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, I think is something to note.

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Speaker 1 (04:11):
Guys? Saw my dad yesterday?

Speaker 6 (04:13):
Oh yes, did not mention that you guys talk about
his ballsack, But I did mention that we got two
Aussie champs. He was mildly excited, right.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Okay, Long Island. Luke was fired up when he came
in this morning. He's like, two osty champs.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah. You know, people love your Francis and Ganu jokes.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I mean, you know you know that you gotta They.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Were hitting me up about your friends.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
There wasn't multiple jokes, but you know, sometimes you take
a chance. I mean the punchline, the word punch is
supposed to do. Uh, and then we then sometimes we
have to regret it.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I think you're a good person, but I don't know
if others do. You see, I think.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
You're you gotta you gotta keep people second guessing you
your whole life.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
That's what I've been very good at that. Yeah, yeah,
I've excelled. I have excelled in many ways doing that.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Maybe I'll retire that line of joking a long with
the Dale Senior jokes.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know, I like the Dal Senior.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Because it attacks Whitey.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
No, it's just the thing that I never would have considered,
and then you made it a part of the show,
and now I feel like we have.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
To keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's our show.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
We could pump the brakes on the Anganu jokes.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think we can be done with that.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
There's going to be nine to eleven jokes today.

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No, No, this is Look, this show is about two things,
boxing and mixed martial arts, but not usually about boxing,
mostly mixed martial.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Arts and nine to eleven jokes and that as well.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Did you have a nice weekend overall? Diddukes get to
hit the splash pad. Yet, I mean, where are we at?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Not warm enough of that? It was?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
It was warm enough of that yesterday, but it wasn't Saturday.
Saturday we went out and we spent the whole weekend
like trying to get outside because it was such nice weather.
We really enjoyed it. And yesterday we did a little
bit of a picnic with the fam.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
And then you had a great dinner.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh my god, dude, I had the most disappointing Mother's
Day dinner ever.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Bro ever, ever, it was so fucking bad. This was
supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
How bad was it?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well, I don't even I'm not gonna say the name
because I don't want to kill the place. But yeah,
it's a place that has one New York City location
and one DC location, and this.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Like all my friends in New York were like, dude,
you gotta go, and now that it's in DC, you
gotta go.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
You gotta go.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
So I took my wife there and it was not
cheap and it was terrible, terrible, terrible dinner. So everything
was great about the weekend BC except for that that
really sucked.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm sorry to hear that, Luke. Maybe I don't know.
Maybe you can pay it back to them in their restroom.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I'm gonna pay it back to the one yep.

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with topic number one. It is UFC three point fifteen
pay per view recap here from maral Or Montreal as
they like to say it, over the weekend. And in
that main event, of course, the welterweight hierarchy switched hands
once again as Balal Mohammed, coming off of that lengthy
foot injury entering his first title defense, got into as
we showed off the top of this show, a compelling

(07:17):
gnarly war there with Jack Della Maddelena, but it was
the Australian who outslugged him in route to scoring the
decision capturing the welterweight title. So Louke considering Jack Della
had been off for fourteen months, was fresh off a
trio of close fights that we talked about. It made
him a kind of like a previously an afterthought in
this era of the big names that are popping up

(07:37):
in this division, from Ian Gary making the move, Shavka
and etc. But after twenty five minutes on Saturday, he
turned the division upside down. What would you pinpoint as
the most impressive part of what Della Maddalena did walking
in there all that time off, coming in as the underdog,
and then walking out as the rightful champion.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Man, It would be wrong to not site, I think
the full suite of things you expect from an A
level fighter. You know, when you get an A level
fighter and a UFC championship fight, you expect them to
come in shape. You expect them to be you know,
this is partly a function of luck, which you expect
them to be moderately healthy. You expect them to have
a good game plan. You expect them to be able

(08:20):
to at least in part execute on that to make
a Even if you lose, you certainly challenged and made
an account of yourself. You expect them to have the
right attitude. You expect them to do media, You expect
them to do the kinds of things that a level
fighters do both in the professional responsibilities in and then
also outside of the cage. And he did all of that.
Like if we're just talking about what Jack did, did

(08:41):
he make a big noise before the fight. No, and
that's that's not his personality. But BC, everything he did
was it was the full package of things was ali.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It was like the full bloom. It's like we we
kind of overlooked him. They just just it all grown
up in front of him.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Even the funny thing that we were talking about this
before the show.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
One of the things that you know, there are a
few guys in MMA eighties two that have iconic walkouts
with their music, and Vulk coming out to minute work
is certainly for me one of them. You know, Max
Holloway coming out to Hawaiian Kickboxer is another one of those.
But Jack coming out with a mean mug on his
face to the Bond Scott era of.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Ac DC TNT dude was so sick.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Like from this is what I mean, Like from the minute,
if you didn't pay attention to anything prefile, you just
tuned in Saturday night. From the minute you laid eyes
on Jack de la Madeleine as he walked out to
the cage, he just had a certain kind of posture, swag, attitude, confidence, belief.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
He physically looked ready.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
But to really answer that question, BC, we have to
talk about I think the grappling and the wrestling, because
it's not necessarily I think to most observers a great
surprise that JDM was better on the feet. I will
say Blow made a decent account of himself on the feet.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Oh, he was courageous as hell.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean more than just.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Taking a beating, like there were times he landed on
on he nearly shut Jack's that's not nothing. But to me,
and this is a big part of the debate, I
keep hearing people say, oh, the law didn't want to
wrestle because what he wanted to do was prove a point.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I think that is not.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
There is probably some evidence for that. I think it
plays a part. It's not to me. Let me be clear,
It's not an all or nothing thing, okay, And I
think if you make it an all or nothing thing
in either direction, you're probably gonna mess it up. But
I also believe people only use the tools of observations
that are accessible to them. And it's not to say

(10:37):
that I can look at this and oh I see everything. No,
there's tons of stuff. I'm sure I'm missing as well.
But I think a lot of fans just hear what
they were saying on the broadcast, and they just kept
talking about like why Blall's not shooting, Why ba Lall's
not shooting, And I think they overplayed a little bit.
So here's what I want to say. Were there more
opportunities for Belall to shoot or to wrestle or to
engage in that kind of thing, Yes, there was. He

(10:58):
left some food on the table. You can't really argue
he didn't. However, two responses. One in the round where
he did the most of that, he took the most
amount of a beating, right because once Jack separates from
you and you're up against the fence, he tees off
on you. The two are related, they are not coincidental.

(11:20):
Part of the reason why I think he was more
reluctant to do it played that role. But BC, you
asked what JDM did that made the difference, and the
answer was he fought with an absolutely excellent game plan
and he shored up his defensive grappling in ways in

(11:41):
a big way, at every fucking level. Let's go through
it if we can. Yeah, let's go through it. In
round five, when he had JDM on the ground, he
used the giggler or the knee lever sweep to create
space and stand up. So now we're on for a
flat inner back. He's creating space. I showed Long Island
Luke from the Wizzard the haraigoshies he was throwing. That's

(12:03):
where you put your lay across both of theirs.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
You touched him a lot, and you and you.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Touching is part of life. PC, You've touched my soul
and ways.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
If you want to recreate it, we probably could.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
And using that to create space in the clinch was
one Blall shooting Jack faking like he's going for a
switch to get Ballall to release his grip, and then
standing using frames in the clinch, using a split base
in the clinch. But more importantly than that, we did.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Tape study on my substack.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
PC.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
We did. We did, Oh wait, you did. Well.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
What we found is that what JDM really lacked in
prior to this fight was what I call first order
takedown defense where you're not just sprawling your feet behind you,
but you are greeting the person trying to take you
down at the point of contact with defense. What he
did before was Burns for example. And I know his

(12:55):
arm was messed up in that one jdm's but a
broken forearm, yes. But the point I'm trying to make
is it didn't just happen in that fight. It was
other ones too. They would get underneath him, attack his hips,
and he would be forced to extricate himself from a
bad place, which, as I just mentioned, he did in
this fight too. The big difference was his ability to
create scrambles underneath and in the clinch, and more to

(13:17):
the point, to greet offense with defense at the point
of contact such that the ball was deterred heavily. People
like he didn't shoot. He shot in every round, but
the thirty tried takedowns in all five. Go back and
watch watched it.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
There was nothing there for him because when he did
get Jack down, Jack's ability to squirm out of the way,
get that right kick, all these things you're saying so.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Is not Leon Edwards.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Where Leon was getting pressed up against the fence and
he was able to shoot underneath his arms and now
Leon is trying to press his way out of it. No,
and then the last piece PC in addition to the
first order takedown defense that he got better his yeah,
shot selection, you know, using teeps, using jabs, all that
stuff to keep it at range, but his lateral movement

(14:01):
and in cage positioning he was almost never outside the
black lines. Leon Edwards were like, oh well he got
Leon down. The fight starts and Leon just backs up
to the fence. That's just not what JDM did for
twenty five minutes. It is a comprehensively good game plan
to aid both the strength of his striking and to

(14:21):
shore up all the deficiencies with his grappling and his
wrestling defense.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
And it left Blall who could.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Have wrestled more, but in general it left him in
a very very unenviable place.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
And I like what how Blall reacted to reacted to
that challenge. He tried to meet it, you know what
I mean? And I don't. Yeah, It's like, I don't
think he's going to have that same success. You're gonna
expend a lot of energy. So I think he got
to a certain point where the takeout where the plus
minus on what was going to come back from using
the effort to get those takedowns, wasn't there? Look, he
fought his balls off to stay in that is there
a back door three to two Blall scoring argument. I

(14:55):
don't tend to believe you can score, but I think
you could. You could have given him three and four.
But shout out to Jack in the fifth round when
Jack's the one who doesn't have the reputation for going
five rounds and it's Blal the you know, boring decision guy, Well,
it's like, how are you gonna call Blal boring all
the time? Then he goes out there and does this
performance like that. That turned out to be his best

(15:17):
pathway up to victory for Ballal, and he came pretty
damn close. But it only showed even more why Jack
and you don't know it until you see it was
truly ready to be a champion because those were such
the behavior of him throughout the whole process. Scream champion.
It's sort of like kind of like how DDP came
on the scene and you're like a little he's a
little raw, he's a little you know this and that,

(15:38):
But the poise in the I got this feeling. Dude,
Jack had that like he was in control of that
even when he got close, even when he was taking
some damage and his eye was closing, his ability to
just stay calm, deliver, and you saw that in the
post fight interview, like it's just a matter of fact.
Couple weren't answer. The dude speaks softfully, but he's got
a warrior spirit and the way he leveled up his
skills was hell impressive. Let's hear from Jack himself about

(16:03):
what weren't right in this fight as well.

Speaker 8 (16:04):
Congratulations on the victory. You know, it was a bit
of a war in there. I don't know if people
would have maybe expected that from below, But what were
you expecting it from him?

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (16:12):
I was expecting a tough fight. Obviously, he's a good fighter,
pressure fighter, good wrestling, good He's pretty well rounded. So yeah,
I was expecting a tough fight.

Speaker 8 (16:19):
Were you surprised perhaps that he didn't go for as
much grapping exchanges or takedowns as we usually see from him.

Speaker 9 (16:24):
Not really, I mean he was saying he wasn't going
to shoot takedowns. But I was expecting I was expecting
a like I guess say, all round offense, and yeah,
I guess you can never expect anything. You just got
to roll with it, and that's I feel like what
I did.

Speaker 8 (16:38):
I felt like most of your best exchanges were sort
of in the pocket against the fence. Was that an
area you knew you were going to find yourself in
or was he just going with the flow of the fight.

Speaker 9 (16:46):
Going with the fly. I was trying to the game
plan was to stay off the fence. I feel like
he does his best work on the fence, so I
was trying to stay off the fence. But he's he
just wore. He was just walking down, pushing me up
against the fence. But I felt like my footwork, I
felt like every time he came in, I was able
to hit him and then get off the fence.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
Fifth round A look like you had him badly hurt.
I was curious if you felt you nearly had him
out of there and then you just wanted to gauge
your cardio. What were you thinking in that fifth round?

Speaker 9 (17:11):
Yeah, I was hoping to get him out of that.
IVE been thinking all week it'd be cool to get
that like late fight finish, like the Gilbert Burns like
it felt good to rally through and then take him
out at the end. But I tried confident you had
to win. When he went to the judges, ah, you
never know. But I was confident that done pretty good work.
But I guess you never know when you leave it

(17:33):
to the judges. My corner kept when I finished the fight,
I asked the corner a few times and they said, yep,
you definitely won that. So just waiting and see, but
you never know.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Four to one is how I scored it. But I
love mostly that he sees it. He took it, and
you saw that eye. Dude, he had to have a
backbone to be able to deliver that because Bilal was
coming throughout. The counter argument, though, is pretty strong out
there that Blall strategically will regret this. I just don't
agree with it. You want to hear Robert Whitaker and
and like that. What's fueling that?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
So it's not an all or nothing thing. I think
there's part to it. But let's see what sound I
expected more takedowns.

Speaker 10 (18:09):
Okay. Now it's it's easy for me to say on
the outside, okay, we can we can. We can look
in and say, oh, I don't know how he was feeling.
What had happened to him during the far. I don't
know how he felt, but from the outside in was
the third or fourth round when he mixed in his
striking in his shots, when he mixed in the strikings
to bring Jack onto it, to mix into his shots,

(18:31):
they were clean every time, every time. I think He's
only two takedowns more or less were from the open mat,
drawing Jack into it sort of thing. Now, why didn't
we see more of that? You know, I can't help
but feel like Blow was trying to make a point

(18:51):
striking with Jack for the first three rounds he was
I think so, and and if.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
That's the case, that is ridiculous, big mistake, right, Like, hey,
so is.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
The argument more off the start of the fight?

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Then?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Would you would you agree with that? I think Jack?
What are the official statistics on takedown.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I'm pulling it up now. He went two of nine overall?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yes, so ballaal it was two of nine overall.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
And what he attempted?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
How many attempts in the first two rounds?

Speaker 3 (19:20):
He attempted one in round one, he attempted three in
round two. Now, fight Metric has him as zero for
zero on round three, but that's they might have a
different way of how you record what needfully counts as
a takedown, what counts as a takedown attempt. But he
absolutely went for him up against the fence and couldn't
even begin to get close to it.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean so, but does any part of Robert Whitaker's take,
which a lot of people out there have true, because
Whitaker specifically pointing to the beginning of the fight, if
he only shoots for one takedown in the first round
and three in the second and ends up going down
three to zero on most people's scorecards, that's how I
had it at that point.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Three Just just just to answer the question, is three
not enough per round?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, I'm trying to I'm trying to say, is this
just because people hate pull alling? It?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Is?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
It seems to be like people were dunking on it
left and right.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
So partly it could be that people don't like ball all.
The other one is that you remember he did say,
oh I'm gonna I'm not gonna shoot one takedown, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Stand with it.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
We all know it was kind of silly, and so they're thinking, oh,
is it just is that what he did again? I'm
gonna say one more time. Can I go and find
spots where I thought he could have been a little
bit more on the gas with wrestling exchanges or an
attempt to some kind of even if it failed, some
kind of weight of pressure. But I'm gonna say it
one more time. Number One, the round where he did
the most amount of wrestling was the round he took

(20:36):
the most amount of abuse.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Just a fact.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Number two, the idea that he wasn't trying for takedowns
until round three is just matter of factly invented on
the internet. It's not what the tape shows. People have
got to stop saying it, Okay, And the biggest point
is Jack Dala Madelena did an absolutely expert job, not
just at stopping takedowns once they got started. But people

(21:01):
go back and look at the If you didn't go
back and watch the Leon fight, watch the Leon fight,
then watch this one. Look at where Jack is. He
is always just a little bit outside of shooting range,
not always, but pretty consistently, and he is never here.
He is always in here. Ballall has a hard time
taking guys down. He did get one in the fifth
round that way, but then he then Jack get the

(21:21):
knee lever and got up, so he was able to
get one that way. But this idea of like dude
Lal Muhammed is not morob. He does not shoot twenty
takedowns a fight.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Not Damian Maya. But he might, to be fair, he
may have felt on the first takedown attempt in that
round one like, oh, this guy has leveled up so
significantly there. I mean, it's hard for me in hindsight
to say you should have spammed him in the first
couple of rounds. That would have really negatively affected Blal's
gas tank. And he was hanging close enough, he was
competitive enough in the first three rounds where maybe in

(21:54):
his mind he thought he won round three and then
he did turn it up in terms of mixing up
the takedowns and the striking in four. But round five,
I think you got to give credit for Jack coming
out and putting it on him. He would the fact.
I mean, it's everything what you're saying about meeting the
takedown attempts of Ballow, and he was meeting a lot
of times with not just pushback, but with offense. This
was a brilliant footwork and technical boxing performance overall from

(22:18):
Jack Dela MATLANEA, and I think that needs to be
pushed further ahead of any of these other times.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I fully agree. Let me just read you these numbers
very quickly.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
These are the amount of takedowns that Belall has gotten
per fight ready three nine zero zero five seven that
was against wonder Boy zero zero one two two two
zero three one four two zero three two. If you've
got a guy who doesn't make himself available for takedowns,

(22:44):
and then when you try is your grip can't get together,
you're getting stuffed immediately, and then you're getting hit as
a consequence. Why is the notion BC this is I
guess this is the part that bothers me. They're making
it about whether or not Blall could have made a
different choice, and that would have been like it was
all his decision. Yeah, And I'm trying to explain to people, Yeah,

(23:07):
there were probably a series of smaller decisions that could
have changed it. But the idea that every part of
this was basically just Blall's decision is matter of factly
not fucking true.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
The tape doesn't show it. That's not what happened.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
We won't talk about this as much, even though on
topic two we'll talk about how this fight affects the
UFC schedule in the future, and it does in a
big way, in almost unique and unprecedented ways. But did
you feel this changing of the guard because it puts
a fresh faced champion who's unbeaten in the organization. He's
actually under thirty, which doesn't typically happy and this happened in.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
This situationion in Saint Pierre won seventeen.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
When the title changed his hands and he's exciting, and
he pulled the guy that with everybody called the boring
champion into a super exciting final round that made that
it was like a crescendo at the end of the
paper review, right, it made it feel Okay, that was
an exciting show and that fight was good. Did you
feel like like for all this talk about star issues
and so that this was a refreshing change of events

(24:03):
over the weekend, Even though that's not a slight against ballall,
it's just sort of like I felt like, oh, there's hope.
There's more hope.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Than there was, you know, an hour before, and just
just I mean, lightweight's got bigger stars, you know, because
you still have the guys hanging on like the gay
cheese and the Poirier's and whatnot. Now Max is up
there and Ilia, obviously we'll talk about him, I'm sure.
But one seventies, that's the division of young Guns, Brady
JDM shovcot Gary Buckley.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
It just goes on and on.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
It is so freaking exciting to answer your question, to
watch a division get the kind of turnover that I
would consider to be natural, or somebody who leveled up
in their late twenties claims the title and does it
in what I'm going to describe as pretty dominant fashion.
The only thing I would say is I don't see
somebody at one seventy. I mean, maybe it'll be Rockemanov,

(24:55):
but he's he's got some stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
To work on.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
At this point, I don't see any of them who
are clearly head and shoulders above the rest. So we
might get a hot potato situation with that belt. B
see where every time a new challenger comes along, someone
else is just grabbing it.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Shot cuts healing up, so it's almost got quasi light
heavyweight pre John Jones.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
So what I'm gonna say is it feels to me though,
but it's great to see healthy division turnover. A guy
in his late twenties should be the guy in his
late thirties, and that's exactly what you got.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
And this could be a guy that fans potentially get behind.
We'll see he's not overly trash talkery, although he fielded
the E Garry stuff well and could.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Probably he does the cold stare role well.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Pretty much pretty much. Indeed, Luke Thomas blah Muhammed, let's show,
let's compare that lip injury to those other famous ones
that we reference. There, look at that slice slipped over
him on the right, Robbie Lawler on the left. Right there, Wow,
he went through hell. Do you think this will be
I'll bring a vander Holyfield in the example. He was

(25:56):
because he didn't win the heavyweight championship by going through
Tyson and because he was sort of the looked at
as the small cruiserweight who didn't have the same heavyweight
power moving up that it almost took him losing the
title to Ritick bow in their first fight, but fighting
with so much heart and character for people to be like,
oh my god, he is one of the great ones,
Like he's awesome. Do you think there's this poor man's
version of that? Well, ballaal finally get the respect that

(26:19):
that the critics and the haters have held back because
in defeat, dude, he gave himself every possible chance to
win and went out like a freaking warrior.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
But here's here's what I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
How can the crowd say, well, all could have wrestled
more and just chose not to because he wanted to
stand and then all, do you hate this guy? Yeah,
and then also say he fought like a warrior and
did everything he could. Well, you're arguing he didn't. If
you're saying he could have wrestled more and didn't, like,
the argument is inherently contradictory. So this is why to me,
I don't, I don't could he have wrestled more? Yes,

(26:53):
he might come out and say this week, I should
have wrestled more, like I understand it, but I I
don't think that would have changed the equation. I really don't.
I think JDM had his number that night. He was
just comprehensively better. But I do agree BC that, Like,
I don't know how you can look at that photo
and then look at the overall amount of effort he gave,

(27:15):
including with his own striking which we haven't even talked about,
which was not as good as Jadm's but still quite
commendable and definitely and you know, he was in that
fight to win it and not come away without a
strong degree of respect for what kind of a fighter
he is. Listen, there's gonna be people who don't like him,
because that's just the thing to do. It's just to
pretend that he's you know, uniquely horrible or something like that.

(27:36):
But anybody who knows Ball can look at that and
be like, was it a perfect fight from ballall?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
No? No, but it was a fucking hard nose commendable one. Dude.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
You never quit with the internet saying that the UFC
broadcast was too pro blall because yes, John's brother, John
nix brotherho's a podcast.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
With I don't know if it was too bold. I mean, listen,
you've done. This is something for you to weigh it on.
Because I've done commentary for smaller events. I've never done
commentary for like a big You've done Tank Davis commentary.

Speaker 11 (28:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
People sometimes get on the booth and they say, oh,
the booth is biased, and sometimes they're right. Sometimes the
booth can be biased, but not in the way that
this is describing, like, oh, John's got his brother's in
business with him, and so therefore he's just you know,
artificially propping up the look or the entrance.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
You think it was too far.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
They're going to side with the champion. Not every time,
but more often than not. Yes, he probably does have
affectionate feelings in that way for Blall, but I didn't
think it was that. I just felt like the attention
was about Belall. The commentary, this is why we're having
this conversation. The commentary was why is in ballall shooting more?
Why is and ballall shooting more? And they made it

(28:42):
like it was an elective decision at all times.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
So there's just this focus about him.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Plus he was the champ going in and you know
there's going to be more attention on you for that reason.
So they could have been biased BC that's to me
totally normal, but I don't think they were biased.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
For like felt, I felt the criticism was more overblown
than the actual commentary was. But here is Balal his
first statement since the loss, taking to social media, saying,
allows plan is the best plan for everything. Thank you
to all my supporters. I always pronounced that wrong, Al
hum Dala, sorry, thank you to all my supporters. I've

(29:19):
been here before and I'll be back. He will be
thirty seven in two months. But although our net we're
gonna slide into this next topic where we're going to
talk about what's next for the champion and everybody else affiliated,
that we don't have Bilal's future. Does he float away
from title contention after this or is he very much
one big win, one bounce back from from still being

(29:41):
in here.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
He is good enough to give anyone in that division,
in the top five, a run for their money. But
I've said it before, once you become separated from the
UFC title, it's virtually impossible to get it back.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Only the very very special onescially in a deep division.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
And if Mahachev is coming now, that'll make it up.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
So you've got, as you mentioned, Buckley and Gary and
Shafcot and Brady, and now you're going to add in
Islam on top of it, like holy.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
But there's probably a clause in every fighter's contract that
if you're at welterweight and you're coming off of a
title loss, that you're gonna fight Covington soon.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you, Belall versus Covington,
I wouldn't hate.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
That's like the perfect celeb get well fight in the sense.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
And first of all, I think ballaal washes him, and
more to the point, it would actually be kind of
a fun grudge match also be you know, probably wild
they racist on the part of Globe, but one never knows.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I hope not.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I hope not.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
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these fighters, why don't we talk about what was then
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(31:13):
the blanco of the tequila of the quervo is my favorite.
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drink this quervo. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Is that what he says? Hell? Yeah, brother, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
More or less, Okay, more or less on that regard,
but uh fired up. Let's get into topic number two
right now, and that is, of course, the whole uniqueness
about the main event of UFC three fifteen playing in theory,
or what we've been led to believe by Dana White's
sort of confirmation of this talk from when Mike Boone
asked the question at the pre fight press conference about

(31:54):
how much this will affect International Fight Week, which is, guys,
forty seven days away as we speak right now. So
are we getting JDM versus Islam?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Next?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Are we getting Ilia versus Charlie Olives? And where the
hell was Dana White after this event? So this is
where we got an issue here, folks. Nothing is seemingly confirmed,
even though Dana White was the one who confirmed and
said that it all comes down to who wins JDM
or Muhammad. And then Dana exits stage left and we

(32:25):
get David Shaw International Relations, who says, yeah, like, I
can't comment on that stuff, guys, I don't know, so, Luke.
Following a rather unprecedented situation, as I mentioned right there,
with Dana White being a no show, what the hell
is going on at the moment? Is Dana White completely
checked out? Is he being phased out? How are we
supposed to interpret what happens next in these very big matchups,

(32:48):
including the Summer Showcase main event, and what happens next
for both Islam and and Ilia. Why did they not
come out and put that to rest on Saturday Night?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Partly, those deals still have to get signed. They probably
had verbal agreements rather than fully written, actualized ones, and
there is a degree of paperwork that's required before they
can commit to promotional assets. I think that's probably part
of it. But you're asking a bigger question. You're asking
about like why didn't Dana talk about this? I actually
hit up a bunch of reporters who are on press

(33:20):
road to get to get their sense of things, and
they had a lot of different things to say. Part
of it was, even when Dana is there nowadays, he
still doesn't say necessarily a ton I mean, he's not
like he's you know, hardcore advocating for certain kinds of
fights or you know, agitating for UFC causes.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
More broadly, Hunter Campbell's doing the role that we all
typically ascribed to Dana White in reality, right, But he's
got to play a role in matchmaker.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well here's the thing. Here's the thing. Hunter can do
all the contracts, and he's a smart guy. He's a
very capable guy. But he can do all the contracts,
he can do all of the things behind the scenes
to get fights made. But the UFC has always had
a bulldog promoting its brand, which was Dana. They've had
a bulldog, a guy who promoted in the media, a

(34:05):
guy who made aggressive the cause of MMA, you know,
during the Ultimate Fighter, and after that, a guy who
was advocate advocating for certain big fights and for MMA
to reach new heights. And now the brand doesn't have
a bulldog. It's got a very capable guy in Hunter Campbell.
This is not a question whatsoever about his competency or ability.

(34:26):
It's it speaks for itself. It's a question of somebody
being the brand's barking dog in everyone's face all the time,
and sometimes by the way, they can go too far.
But you can see what's happened they I think internally,
a few things have happened. One Daana has got a
lot of other things going on. He's got his own
personal power Slat project, which to me is a gigantic
waste of time, but it is a thing that he does.

(34:48):
Tk O boxing is certainly going to take over a
lot of his time Friday. He's got a whole lot
of stuff going on. So that's a big part of it.
But I think the other part is you've heard them
talk about they want to build UFC to a point
that it was self sufficient, and I don't think UFC
can ever act. I don't think hardly any brand can

(35:08):
actually be self sufficient. I don't think that's a real thing.
Framing it that way, to me is a mistake. Let me,
there's this point, if I may they what's missing is
there is somebody who is beating the drums, powering the
engine with aggression and passion and fury and focus. Yes,

(35:28):
Hunter Campbell's doing the job, but no one is pounding
their fist on the four mica and saying, let me
speak to the motherfucking manager. You're not getting that, And
I think that is the kind of thing you're missing.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, I mean, we would all love somebody who's delivering
the passion and what you would expect for this job.
In Dana again is one of the best. You know,
some people think the best to ever do it in
a long history of combat Carnival Barkers, who have done
this job very successfully, who who can compare with his resume.
But like, even more than you want somebody who can
do it so great, you also just want some information

(36:03):
dissemination and truth confirmed, even if it's confirmed in a
way in a used car salesman way where you're like, Okay,
I can see through what's really happening. Like I know
that it doesn't seem like the UFC cares about the
bad pr going lately when we're talking about matchmaking and
the whole direction of the company financially and all that stuff.
But I thought there was a big opportunity on Saturday,
considering this is a thing that was their fault that

(36:25):
they sort of created on themselves. If you're saying, what
is the thing the fact that it's forty seven days away,
we don't know the ifw main event is and we're
all kind of like, you can't make Jones and Aspiral,
can you make Ilia in Islam? Can you just make
something happen? And then they leave it up to chance
ultimately and say this fight will decide it. What about
the potential good PR if you just had this exciting
main event, you got this new champion. We know Ian

(36:45):
Gary wants to fight next, Chavkov probably got next. There's
three other guys who would raise their hand. Also, Islam
might parachute in based on what you said not having
someone to come out, and again, if it's not Dane,
if he's not even that guy anymore, then maybe Hunters
should step into that role and be that guy more
or maybe just armed David Shaw with the information that,
of course the media is going to ask about. Wouldn't

(37:08):
it be a great PR Slam dunk for them to
come out and be like the Waltzway Division has been
turned upside down, we got a new young champion. Oh
by the way the best fighter in the world is
ready to make them move up and later this fall
it's gonna be this guy versus this guy. Instead, it's
just we didn't show up.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Do you need to do that if you believe the
UFC is altly self sufficient?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I mean, it's people.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
We're talking about the ticket sales.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
They sold a six million dollar gate, which for a
pay per view is not super super or maybe it
was eight plus.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Right right around that. I forget if it was Canadian
or US not.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
It's highest by any struts, but the highest in that
building for a non hockey event. I'm not saying to
you that there isn't real consternation about the state of
the product. I fully recognize. But again, people don't want
to have this conversation because they get all angry and
they're like, this is too much. But the effects of
monopoly are all encompassing and corrosive. And if you believe

(38:00):
that your product is ultimately self sufficient, what is it
you think you have to do after a pay per
view like this that just had a semi record against nothing, Right,
this is the problem. This is but this doesn't have
to feel the heat on your ass to get out
there and be able to go on there and say,
look what we got going on, Look how important it is.
Look what we're gonna have in store for you, and

(38:20):
with with verve and energy and fucking a. But if
you think if anything is self sufficient, why would you
do that?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I mean, we could have come out of this show
as much as it's always going to be important to
recap the biggest fight from Saturday to kick off the show,
but if we were coming out guns blazing with it's
gonna be Ilia versus. Charles de Bronx said, ifw and
it's going to be uh JDM making his first defense
against Islam. And oh, by the way, how good was
that main event? Like you could like the thing, the
storyline would be all full guns blazed and excited, let's

(38:49):
spin it to the future. Debate Was that the right move?
All this stuff? And now we're sort of like, I
don't know what the next move is. It's just I
don't know. It's sort of I don't disagree with you,
like do your job in that regard, like get the
people fired up?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
What's your theory about why Daana? And but he did
this in London too, as I understand it, What is
your theory about why this is all happening.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
Maybe, just maybe when Dana announced on Thursday that based
on the outcome of this fight, this fight will happened,
this fight will happened. Maybe now Islam's like holding for
like I need more money for this or something. Maybe
it's a negotiation tactic.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Okay, couldn't you come out and say, hey, weed, o't
weere eyeball on a couple of big ones for Islam,
but we gotta see what happens.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's not unfair for me to criticize them for not
having their shit together when we're less than fifty days
out from the biggest centerpiece card.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I'm not I hope you understand. I'm not suggesting any right.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
So it's like that's really the onus of my ancher.
It's like, you have all the things in front of
you to dominate this industry, and you are, from a
financial standpoint, do the bare minimal of what we expect
for you to, like like build that hype in that bunch.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Do you see their Q one earnings?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I didn't look into them that.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, they're higher than they're I think they're up, Like
I think something like twelve or more percent relative to
Q one earnings of twenty twenty four. People keep talking
about how like, oh, if something doesn't happen and the
UFC is going to boy, it's gonna get real bad
for them and we're gonna see some real consequences. That
is true in a sense, but we are so fucking
far from that.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
We're not even We're not even just.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Starting to feel like the exact thing that got me
out of the wrestling business at a time when booking
was so stale in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and I
felt like ww in Vincicmann was just really just leaning
on the backbones of the hardcore addicted fans who would
sit through anything to connect the dots from one pay
per view to another. The storyline just never made sense.

(40:32):
There wasn't and it felt like a disrespect to the
people that actually care about the show from that standpoint,
right that you're telling this larger soap opera angle and
all that. I feel like that's what's happening. We're losing
the recipes, Luke. I mean, I feel like that's what's
happening here. Because I want to talk about these fights.
Let's let's see these two tweets from Islam Majeff because
I like, are we we're led to believe JDM one

(40:55):
now Islam's moving up and getting the next title shot. Correct,
We're led to Dana confirm that with that by saying yes.
At the press Cope said yes, I think that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Once again, I want to point out pre fight, it
wasn't like he was saying a bunch of interesting things.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Either he's checked out, dude. I just can't figure out
if they have forced him out or if he's just
checked out. But here's Mahachev the first one time to
become a double champion, inshalla, let's go. And then the
second one aimed at JDM who who, at the end
of the post fight interview with Joe Rogan said let's
run it and let's do it for Vulk. You are

(41:27):
not Vulk. I will show you different level my belt
clean and I'm.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Sorry Joe Rogan wasn't there, Cormier.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Cormier handled the interview, So did I miss something? No,
They're sorry. That was that was in Canada, So that
would lead you to believe there that that is next.
Cameras seemed to catch the tail end of Jack Della
Madelena's speakerphone with Hunter and Dana. That says a little
bit about the future.

Speaker 12 (41:51):
Let's listen nextra in Hue White Well.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I guess it didn't confirm anything there, but do you
think that that's where we're headed potentially Perth because he's
the hometown boy and against.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
My just no fucking way they're going to make Markachev
fight in Perth.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I mean they didn't bite on it when he threw
the bait out.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Not going to have is that?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Are you confident that that is where they're going next?
Because they do have a few different sexy options. So
which way are they going?

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yes, it seems to me that the likeliest option is
Markeatchev versus JDM, Which can we just say for a
moment put the billy aching aside?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
What a great fight.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I love that fight.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
This is what This is the debate we were having
on the pregame preview for this past week, which was
the single best fight you can make an m m
A is islam Ilia. Yes, that's the single best one.
We we lose that or at a bare minimum, listen,
he could go fight JDM and get knocked out and
maybe he goes back to fifty five. That's a possibility,
but it seems like for a minute, at a bare minimum,
it's on the back burner. However, we now have Islam

(43:07):
in this new potential universe at one seventy I don't
know how long he'll stay around. If he wins a
title at seventy BC, he might win it and call
it a day.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Or move up to middlewight.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
No, I don't think I'll do that, but you get
the idea, you know, you have a new range of possibilities.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
This is what I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
He's making an already great division much more exciting in
the process, and I do think that's something that fans
should be excited for and celebrate. For me personally, JDM
versus Islam is a it's some sense top tier fight.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I mean, it's too absolutely hungry, top elite alpha studs.
And even though Islam has on paper a lot of
you know, a lot better of a well rounded game
of more skills, it's the adaptation of moving up and wide.
It's facing this absolutely hungry guy that's willing to go
through hell to win these fights. Yeah, that's a great fight.
Like I'm not fully I've always been for Islam Ilia,

(43:57):
because it's just so big, it's so wonderful. Just cash
you in. You make it two or three of them
if you're lucky, just cash it in one time. But
the argument against it probably always was that you can
get two of a good thing instead of one. You
can get JDM versus Islam next, and then Ilia versus
Charles Olivera at ifw for the vacant title. Both of
those scream entertainment, scream that it would teach us a lot.

(44:18):
Do you think, though, if that's the direction we're headed,
and we've got more video to prove that, it seems
like it is. Do we have we missed the window?
Will we have missed the window? In your eyes? For
good on Islam versus Ilia in the same way. Although
I don't hold it against them that you EUFC had
a minute with that gsp and orson Silva window.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And then much more than a minute.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
They had a few minutes. But my point is I
was never like holding it against them that it didn't happen.
It probably should have happened, but that's fine. Is this
the end of this talk Ilia in Islam? That is
probably this was.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
The he wins at one seventy in his next fight Islam,
it's over.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Could you see, though, could you see Ilia who's been
following a McGregor like almost pre written plan, from the
tattoos to the pronouncements. If he beats still Bronx with
a vacant title, couldn't you see him without a shadow
of a doubt going mahchev after you win that uh,
after you win that welterweight title, I'll see you there.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Also, he would have to he would have to pulverize Oliver.
You would have to absolutely battle.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Or just stop him if he stops him. That's a statement.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I don't think stop it is enough. I think you
got to go in there and like destroy him.

Speaker 7 (45:34):
Long.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Look, that's the direction, these these impromptu opportunistic planners like
like it, like Ilia ultimately is. Of course he'd be
calling out of Islam right away. That's McGregor type shit.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
Yeah, I think any stoppage you could call him out.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
That's wild.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
So maybe maybe I'm not talking about that. I'm saying
what can you actually do to convince UFC to think
about making it and just stopping him as insufficient?

Speaker 6 (45:58):
I want to say, also, though, I don't think like
Ilia moving up to seventy. I don't see. I think
more like Ilia wins, convinces Islam come back, oh, come
back down.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Then that's a huge, huge, huge fight. Let's hear from
Jack Della, who's into the idea.

Speaker 13 (46:12):
Islam's already tweeted at you a few times and like
the most recent one, and he says, you're not vulcal.
I'll show you there at different levels. Keep my belt clean.
Do you have any responts toay Islam?

Speaker 9 (46:22):
I know, come get it, come get it.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Oh shit, oh shit.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
By the way, here's my point. How fast did Islam
beat olivera like a round and a half? Write something
like that. This is what I mean. What if Islam
excuse me, what if Ilia goes in there and beats
olivera quick quicker than that? Well, now you have an argument.
It's like, look how long it took Islam. And by
the way, that was like a one sided fight for Islam.
I mean that was that was relatively easy for him.
What if Ilia has an even easier time? Now, that

(46:48):
to me, that is a scenario where he can be like,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Whatever Islam is, I'm better.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
But the line is long at Welterwait, should Islam go
in there and win it right away? What about the
hypocrisy of this wasn't Islam? And I damn I don't
want to like chair against him all I loved like,
I mean, I really love that guy as a fighter.
He's one of the best of all time, Luke. But
him saying that Ilia would have to come up and
prove first. Isn't that the same argument that could be

(47:15):
said about Islam moving up and getting a title shot in.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, I mean this, I smighter say a lot of
shit all the time, and half of it is nonsensical
and or hypocritical.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Okay, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
So that's the beginning and end of that conference.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Okay, all right, Well let's go to I Gary, who
believes that he should be in this spot and is
ready to touch him this week. Yeah, he's ready to
cut in line if given the opportunity.

Speaker 11 (47:37):
You've got the new champion, Jack Delamdelana the Asi, great performance,
but sloppy. The rumor is Islam makishev is moving up
to one seventy and if he does, then all of us,
well the Waights have to take a step back and
give the man the respect he deserves. But if negotiations
don't go so well, then you've got a tall, blonde
irishman who's ready to take over to the UFC and
get that belt, and I will smoke Jack down Madeleanta

(47:58):
Bucks the years oft.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
You know, lyle Knuk and I were talking earlier.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I mean, Gary is good, but I can't I just
can't take that seriously.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I'm just like, but that would be a great fight.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Oh, it'd be a great fight. But he's like, JDM
looked sloppy.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
JDM looked awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, he looked fucking awesome. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
But what he's talking about is he has a way
of neutralizing people's He does best best practices offensively, and
he knows that he might be the toughest style matchup
outside of a wrestler.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
He could not boxing jdm's ears off.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Let me be very but he'll but he'll slow down.
What JDM does well, make it a close chess match.
He has the ability to win these close tests.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Don't get me wrong, Ian Gary.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
He's in that list with the Buckleys and the chof
Cotts and you know everybody else. He's he is firmly
entrenched in that part of the conversation, and therefore any
of those permutations are great, although as we discussed pre show,
I think the best one for Ian Gary would be
Sean Brady. Sean Brady Ian Gary to me is the
one that.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Is that's probably what would happen next if Islam gets
the yes.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
If Islam gets it, we actually have to kind of
think about that because shof Got's waiting in the wings,
but Brady's waiting in the wing.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
And there's Buckley Ustman, which may or may not factor
into this.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
For the UFC Atlantic car that's the headliner there. But
I think Buckley's going to wash him and so he's
going to now and be in that space. So there's
a couple of ways that could go when Islam does
make his move to one seventy eventually, and again if
it ends up being JDM Gary, I'm all in favor
of it, but him being.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Like he looked sloppy.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I realize, I get it, it's promotional material, I understand,
but it's laughable.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I mean, I just you know, go on, all right.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
The flip side of this is Elia at ifw against
Charles Olivera. We didn't talk about what happened to our
Montsieur so rookie in the last week and a half,
where people are claiming that the UFC trapped him by
offering him a UFC Dubai main event against Who Is
a Camera, which he then turned down, saying no, I'm
ready for a title I deserve a title shot, and
then that was their way of getting him out of

(49:51):
the way and bringing in Olavera. I don't know if
I believe in that, but was that a wrong strategic
strategical decision or the right one Because Armand's going to wait.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
For his up arman can wait a little. I actually
feel we didn't really discuss it with the last topic BC.
But in general, fighters are going to say that, and correctly,
I think that more regular competition would be better for
their overall ability. But there can also be cases where
competing too much at certain times in your career doesn't

(50:21):
give you what you need to really round out. This
is the kind of conversation we're having I am having
anyway about Ian Gary. I'm not declaring that's what's going
to happen to him, but I'm a little bit concerned
based on what I see. Plenty of ability, but can
he really maximize that if you're just constantly taking these
short note fights all the time. Right, But Dayla Matta
Landa did something a little bit different. He took Now,
he obviously had an injury part of it, but he
took fourteen months off. Look at how much he leveled

(50:44):
up in that process. So the point I'm trying to
make about sar Yukian is, dude, you will see it, Okay,
don't take the gam not fight because we don't need
to see what we already did. It was a good fight.
But he's in another place. But if I'm in sar
Yukiin's camp, i am telling him, if you want to
get good enough to beat the people who hold the belt,
taking a little bit of time off actually here is
exactly what he needs to be doing, all right, quickly.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Before we hit the rest of UFC three fifteen. How
this applies further on down the line is does this
mean to Pooria against Doe Bronx would be the main
event in your eyes? Because there are there was the
whole Poton situation with the I was hacked, which none
of us believe in DC came aggressively and now you've
got ankle Iave, whether it's him tweeting or Ali basically

(51:27):
saying that if Poton doesn't want it at I FW
like they're willing to take on whomever, and.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
He'll give what Alberg I don't know, probably right, I
guess that would be Alberg beat yond and so that's
kind of where we're at.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So that would be the Comaine.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
You could do.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Komain with that when you could still by the way,
you could I mean, I don't know, I don't know
if they could make it work, but could you do
aspenall gone Comaine?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Are we really going to do Aspa?

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I'm asking for the I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I think I personally believe that if they do that,
it'll be some point of no return for some people.
That's like, all right, fuck it, I can't watch this
stuff anymore if you can't make it. If you can't
you know, and if you just to be like so
radioactive kind of like it because it's building. It was
the UFC London card all those fans you know, turned
away and didn't buy tickets. It's like we've been building incrementally,
all these little turns where people are like, man, that's
fucked up. This isn't the UFC from the pandemic. This

(52:15):
isn't my UFC from twenty sixteen whatever. I feel like
that is an ultimate sign of you have become boxing
as you're trying to get into boxing while you're telling
everybody that boxing sucks.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, I mean, if you're getting a guy defending his
interim title. I've said this before. I've only seen a
guy in boxing defend an interim title. Sorry, I've only
seen an interim title defended four times in boxing.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
It was Julio Rs years and years ago. But we're
not far from that.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Unfortunately, boxing puts out interim titles now all the time,
just so it looks like it's a title fight on TV.
There was a interim secondary title on that Ryan Garcia
ro Romero fight. All really means is the winner is
going to be a number one contender for I mean,
it's all bullshit, but that's where we're at with that.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 2 (54:29):
Thank you very much. Topic number three shifts of to
the Comin event and three p. Fifteen's feature of the
women's flyweight division offering in a lot of cases the
best that it has to offer, or was it considered
the best. Let's get into that because Valentina shift Jenco
edged out Manon Farrow in a close five round decision
to defend the title at age thirty seven, on the
same night that Natalia Silva and Jasmin Jazzdavisius scored breakthrough

(54:53):
wins to push them even closer to that title. So, Luke,
this may this comin event, it was are from the
most exciting title bout in recent memory of your free
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
It was your favorite fight.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Uh see. I was frustrated because you know this talk
right now about women's MMA being down, and you got
a lot of people aggressively saying we should have shot
it down and get it off of pay per view
main cards this matchup. I was fired up for a
lot of them, all three matchups on Flyway, and I
was entertained to a great degree. But I get when
you watch a very close chess match like this, not
everybody was. So I was kind of down after this,

(55:28):
and considering that this was the way it played out
kind of only adds to the fuel of those stereotypes
that I mentioned. It is a little bit disappointing, but
Chefchenko relied upon that veteran ability to make those championship
adjustments and narrowly out point Pharroh. Did the judges get
it right in the end? In your eyes, Luke, is
there a case here on the other side for Pharroh?

(55:49):
And does this aggressively push Chefchenko further into that living legend,
maybe getting closer to the potential women's mm A goat chip.
How big was this win in that regard? In how'd
you score it?

Speaker 3 (56:02):
In some ways this will be a forgettable win because
Firo is simply not a noteworthy figure in the sport.
She's not really even a noteworthy figure in within women's
in mima other than for the fact that she, you know,
did well to get here as a number one contender.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Like the ads makers favored her fair enough.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
If there were some concerns about Chifchenko because of what
kind of performances Grosso had been turning in. And again,
she's closer to forty than she is thirty, you know.
To me, this fight was pretty terrible, but not the
worst thing I've ever seen. Here's what I'll say. Fierroro
did what she could with the skill set that she has.

(56:39):
I was a little surprised by this. I thought she'd
have a little bit more success, but she didn't. To
her credit. She got lit up and she got torched
in round one and then came back out with that
lancing jab that she used to then clinch, and I
thought that that was not a spectacular way to fight.
But she was just trying to find anything she could get,
you know, drowning in the water, trying to find anything
she could hold onto. And she climbed her way out
of that one a little bit, so she did make

(57:00):
it close down the.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Scratch us her size. I got to give her that crut.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah, and again she was pretty strong. I thought that
was pretty interesting as well.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Can we show the scorecards here? I scored it three
to two, giving Farrow both the second and third. I
thought Valentina rallied a round four, she dropped Farroh late
with that stiff jab to claim that, so I had
it to two going into the fifth. I gave the
fifth to Chevchenko. What I really want to know is
how'd you score? And is there an argument to give

(57:25):
that fifth to Faro's And she had a lot of
success in the clinch, although her strike I guess overall
wasn't as clean in that round, But it didn't feel
like a round five where they both were fighting with
desperation either.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, I'm not I you know, I think both had
the most amount of volume that they each had in
that round, so they were both kind of trying to
put it on the other one. To me, though, it's
like a question of like Farrow was able to make
it close in round. She was able to like land
you know, busy shots and keep it working and you know,
find a way to just kind of scratch and claw.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
But even if she.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Had won, would have been disappointed.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I've been disappointing because she was not the better fighter. No,
the better fighter was Valentina.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Ship she let you down, not personally, but like in
the esteem that you put in her stock, seeing her
as a betting favorite, knowing what she did to Blanchefield
to completely neutralize her. Although I said, coming in Blanchefield
doesn't move herhead, Chefchenko does. It could be a different
game for sure. But the adjustments for Roh made physically
after getting beaten up round one and looked like she
was on the way out, Yeah, like there's some there's
some Elite championship backbone in there. But were you let

(58:26):
down in totality that she couldn't out out chest the
chess matches?

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, basically that you saw the full I mean again,
I'm gonna give her a ton of credit. She got
beat up real badly in the first round. I think
her nose was broken because she kept wincing on every highlight.
So she must have been an agonizing pain for the
rest of those four rounds we see, and that could
not be easy to do by any stretch. But I
also felt like we got a clear look at her

(58:50):
game and once she didn't really she had a bit
of a B game to go to. The A game
she wanted got taken away, so she went to the
B game and the b game got her close, but
it just wasn't offensively dynamic like the person who was
offensively dynamic in this fight with Shivchenko, and frankly, the
person who was defensively dynamic because she could turn defense

(59:10):
into offense was Valentina Shifchenko. I didn't come away necessarily
having a massive stock drop in fireau. It certainly dropped
to a degree, but honestly, I can just admit it.
I slept on Valentina Shivchenko a little bit here. I thought,
obviously she's done amazing things, but I thought, okay, well
that's coming to a close. And what I will say
is a performance like this where a contender can clearly

(59:31):
be a bit of a lesser then and still make
it close, tells you that there is some parody now
between her and that division in ways that maybe didn't
exist before. But at the same time, she is talented
and crafty as shit. She had a good game plan,
her athleticism is still very, very serviceable, and.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Dude, she knows what she's doing.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
The takeaway here, like in the main event, the takeaway
sometimes you can really point to theerson who loses and
you could be like, you fucked this up. But in
the main event, I'm mostly gonna say j DM rose
and in this comin event, I'm going to say Valentina
set the bar high, and Thiaux just could.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Just fear that if this was the best of what
the deepest division in the sport offers, I mean, it
wasn't the best in terms of excitement because for Valentina
to win it this way, she had to kind of
really not hold the ball but make it a very
you know, tight margin of error for both In the
chess match, I just feel like it pushed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
You'd say, what you think you've thought this? You texted
me during this fight and you were not happy with
the way it was going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, because I felt like this, I felt like this
negatively played into people's stereotypes of if this is the
very peak of elite women's MMA, then that's yeah, dude,
at least that's limited to me. When it didn't, I
guess maybe there used to be a lot more fire.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I felt like, here's the reality. There are a lot
of people inside of MMA who have terrible relationships with
women and their mothers, and they don't realize it, or
maybe they halfway do, but they use it as a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Well just more exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Oh no, no, no, no, let's back up a step.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
There are a lot of people in the sport who
have terrible relationships with women, terrible negative attitudes. Here's my point,
and it's very hard to understand where that begins, and
legitimate criticism of a flagging side of the sport ends
it can it can get lost. But what I can
really say is, for people who've paid attention to women's MMA,
it was in a very terrible place when they were

(01:01:27):
doing three minute rounds on CBS.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yes, okay, and it got really good, but.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
It is clearly declined since the high water mark of
what would you say, fifteen or sixteen something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
So I don't even push it further into the Rose
Versus Yoana series. It was still out of very even
the early Whaley run with maybe through the Yoana Whaley
won in twenty twenty, right before the pen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I just remember, I always bring this fight up because
it wasn't for a title, but like when Mishitate fought
kats and Ghana, when it was a brutal ass fight,
she finished her off with knees yes, and I remember
thinking to myself, this is why women's MMA succeeds where
women's boxing doesn't because the action they can deliver closely
matches the men's game. And now there has been a

(01:02:10):
major bifurcation between the men and the women.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Wow, well impressed by it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Okay, whatever, there's been a split.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Whatevery woman is saying Bifurcation's fine, Yeah, there's been a bifurcation.
And so now you're just getting to a place where now,
in fairness to the women's game, there were two other
women's flyweight fights on this card.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
And we're gonna get to them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Both of them were pretty great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Let's get to the extending resume of the great Valentina Hchenko,
who extended her women's record in UFC history for most
wins and title fights to ten. This was her eighth
total defense of her women's flyweight title. But if you
look at that, the faces on that resume that she's
defeated across two divisions, now Holly Holm, Julianna Pana Yo,
Wanna Young Jcheck, Jessica andraje who's that, uh, Alexa Grasso,

(01:02:55):
and then now Monon Faro. Everyone book Farroh is a
former champion and she has eight title defenses in this division.
And she's been on top long enough that she was
there in the beginning when there was no one to
fight her, and she's been through the rise of others
and she's still standing. You gotta give it, you gotta go,
you gotta give up, give it up for that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
She's special, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
And again, we all knew she was special, but I
kind of thought that was coming to a close, and
it just she's still got it, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
The question still got next for Chevchenko? Should it be
Waaley moving up into a super fight or should it
be Natalia's Silva will break down Natalia's fight in a second.
But here's what Chefchenko thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I have to ask.

Speaker 13 (01:03:33):
Whaley's already sent her message out to you, she says,
she said, congratulations, and then everything's lined up and then
it's destiny that you two face. So I guess is
that in fight you'd be interested in? Do you have
a response for Whaley?

Speaker 14 (01:03:45):
Oh? Now, I like coming before coming to his to
hear so everyone was saying, like Waley or Natalia? Uh
like and as a contender, So yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
I just like maybe fans can play some role in
that and if they can like join my only fan

(01:04:10):
page and drop some messages who they want to see
me fight next? So I think it's gonna be we
will compare who's next.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
What's best for your legacy would really mean a little
more to you?

Speaker 14 (01:04:25):
Probably, yes, and considering like all that title defense that
I already have in fly weight and yeah, but you know,
it's kind of like for me now after the fight
you got a victory, your belt is with you. It's
so much like you have this still adrenaline running and

(01:04:46):
everything like that. And to answer exact question, I would.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Sorry to cut her off there, but continue You're like,
I don't need to hear your yeah, but look, she
wants the fans to vote on her only fans of
who she should fight next. What's fortunately, I don't know,
But unfortunately I feel like people are going to vote.
You could for themselves of the opponent, or vote to
shut down Women's MMA entirely, I hope not. Seriously, though,
resume wise and big fight wise, you gotta pick away

(01:05:14):
Lee who would you rather see as a fan? Though
considering Natalia Silva, who I said, the fact that she's
not a big slugger, the fact that she's not a finisher,
would be an issue maybe in this Grosso fight, and
she just implemented her plan a beautifully in dissecting the
former champion Grosso. Who should be next?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
For me, I'll tell you I'm not super high on
the Jong Wi Lee fight. Why all right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Because you hate women or no, that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
That's a problem that some of you other donks need
to go to therapy for. Oh some of us.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
I already did my time in therapy to get over
my issues. Jong Wi Lee is obviously really good and
in terms of pure talent would be far into way
the best opponent that Schevchenko could get. Here's where I
tell me if I'm missing something. Chefchenko and Jean Wi
Lee technically are ten pounds apart, right, But Chefchenko, if

(01:06:04):
it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
For Nonez, would have been a champion.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Up there at thirty five, and by the way, you
can make an argument, should have been anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Hell yeah, So we've.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Got someone at twenty five who can cut down to
twenty five, but is just as competitive basically at thirty five.
Especially now, if she went to thirty five, I think
she'd take the title. I don't think anyone will really, Yeah, yeah,
I don't think Kayla would be her.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
That's the most exciting turn of events for women's in
May if that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Right Whereas Joang Wailie, I think can go up to
twenty five. But if you're dealing with somebody who's competitive,
very competitive, championship level competitive at thirty five, is she undersized?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Is there something to that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
There might be, But until we talk about her moving
up to thirty five, she's got to clean out the
remaining big names, and there is there's a list of
competitive names coming up, and I think if you add
way lead to that, if she's going to move up
full time, then you would kind of want to get
through that first.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
What do you what do you think about that idea?
I think it's a.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Fair point that like Chevchenko would have the size advantage.
But I want to disagree with you on the Kaila thing. Man,
I think Kayla Chevy. I don't want to say I
think Kayla wins, but I kind of think I favor Kayla.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Let me be honest, I like Kayla Chevy more than
I like Chevy Jong Wilee.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
I agree with that because I think.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
We already know that like that she's the better technical
fighter and she's going to be the bigger one, so
there's a great chance she's going to be able to
dissect her in a somewhat boring way like we.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Just saw potentially, or she could just wrestle Jeong Wilee
for you know, two or three rounds and then the
rest of it just kind of happened keep away, whereas
with Kayla, Kayla's got real deficiencies relative to shift Chenko
on the feet, but the hands get together and now
we've got a different ball game going on. So to me,
that's kind of an interesting fight. It is, but I
recognize pure talent Jong Wi Lee is the best opponent

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for her far and away.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Shouldn't Italia Silva have to take another fight after this
victory over the former champion in Grosso, because dude, her
movement and her footworks, plant strategies, and her in her
ability to not linger in the pocket to get lit
up with big shots, like if you rush her like
Grosso did a few times, you can clip her. But Luke,
she's she's firing back offense in the midst of that,

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and she makes you chase throughout. Okay, I always feel
like someone with big power is going to discipline that
style out of her. But I'm not sure if there's
anybody left with super big power that's of the elite
status that will do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
It's amazing to me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
We're talking about like all the things that ballall apparently
just elected to not do against you know, a ridiculously
talented opponent, and I don't hear anybody talking about the
fact that Grosso can't effectively cage cut at this stage
in her career.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Now, granted it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Something she could have done, I guess and chose not to,
but to be that skillfully deficient at this stage in
your career is one billion percent unforgivable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
So you think, are you saying that she made Silva
look like a star because I saw people going, I
think Silva can run circles around Valentine and I'm like, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Say, so, here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
No, I don't know about that either. She got she
does have fast feet in fast hands, like that's real.
She uses that full space very effectively. My point is
Silva used footwork in lateral movement very very effectively in
that fight. People were saying, she's running, You're an idiot,
She's not. Okay, if you're the one scoring more and
moving more, then the other person is doing something wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
My point is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
There is supposed to be a corresponding response from Grosso
to cut her off, and we never got it, So
we don't know what other answer Silva may have been
forced to use, and whether she could or couldn't have.
There's just a series of unanswered questions. Rosso, a former
champion in the middle of her prime, watching an opponent

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just walk around the cage and you're not effectively pressuring
and cutting her off.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
And this is why she got cut up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
She got banged up, she.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Got super banged up, and this is the part of that.
You know again, Doe, DC, and and and Cruise I
think are very very good commentators. But they said one
thing during the that fight which also makes me kind
of question about some of the blaw analysis. When you're like, well,
why is it was? At Cruise, it was just DC like,
why is he shooting morning again? The ball should have
shot more potentially, But what they said in the fight
with Silva is oh, Grosso needs to make it ugly

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and whatnot. I'm like, I don't think that's necessarily wrong.
But the one sequence where they brought it up was
where Silva's back is up against the fence and now
Grosso can get close to her. The two most important
distances from fighter X to Fighter why. That's one, and
then from Fighter why to the cage. Those are the
two things you have to solve for. If you cannot

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solve for at least one of them, but ideally two
of them, you cannot win in modern mma. But B
see in that sequence, Yeah, if Silva is not moving
and now you can get closer to her, as a consequence,
she's gonna be more hit able. It's not about making
it uglier. It was about solving distance problems. Yeah, that's

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that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
And I don't think that you know, you can play
up any any narratives that Silva can't do damage when
you look at the damage she did over three rounds
to Grosso right there. I mean that striking is crisp
and clear, and she has got a kick, not just
a kicking game, a variety to the kicking game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
So if you're William's school and you're just touching and
not doing fucking all, it's one thing. If you're landing
the more damaging strikes and moving your opponent's job is
to limit your movement. She didn't even fucking try, not
well anyway, just a totally bad effort at it. I
don't normally say that, but like, dude, how can someone

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be thirty one, a former champion and you cannot effectively
cage cut an opponent at this stage of your career.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
It's not forgivable. It's not forgivable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Long Island Luke be honest and Silva beat Chefchenko.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I think she can.

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
Yeah, wow, she's young too, right, How old is she?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
She's like twenty seven? But would that be one of
those situations where it would be a slow, boring fight,
but she would be the one who's more active and
you'd be judging her her leaping in and spamming against
Chefchenko's bigger counters.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Well, that's what that's what Fierro was strong.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Or can Chefchenko wrestle her?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
I think Chefchenko can wrestle her, although Silva has very
good takedown defense. That's one thing I would say. But
you know this is the other part too. First of all,
I think Schefchenko if she wants to cut her and
cage cutter. But more to the point, I think Schefchenko
might accept that pressure. That's what you saw in this
fight too. She likes accepting aggression and then getting head off.
And then, you know what, it wouldn't be in that
particular respect, It wouldn't be too dissimilar from the Manan

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Fierro fight where she's accepting Fierro who's coming in Ramrod
straight for the at least early on, and then getting
clipped for it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
So you know. The one thing I will say, though, is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I think Silva is much more explosive and quicker than Fierro,
and so her ability to like explode into distance might
be more of a threat to Chevchenko than Buro.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
That's a fair point, Jasmine Jazz Dvissius. You gotta give
her credit. I mean, she's climbing fu question.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Let me ask a question. I have to ask it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Put her down and subbed her in the first round
within like it felt like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
That, I have to ask, is androge okay? Like here's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
I don't want to take away from Jasmine at all,
but I just don't know what the hell's going on
with you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Kind of just par for the course, Like I've counted
her out big time, like three four fights ago, and
then she comes out knocks out Mackenzie Dern like it.
She can. If you're vulnerable to her power, she's willing
to take your your the violence that you put on
her to continue to stalk you through the whole fight.
And that goes back by the way to her fighting
YO wanna for the title back in the day. So

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she's definitely a second or third tier version of her
peak self. But there's even with the depth at one
twenty five, there's just a huge group of that of
those fighters in contention that she can still break down
and get a knockout on just for having that big
time power. But if you have size, if you have
a specific dominant skill to counter that, particularly on the ground,
she gets swallowed up. And that's what's happened in all

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of her elite losses, you know, in succession. Well, actually
recently she's getting stopped even more.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
I'll say this, whatever the reason, you can just look
at the tape and Jasmine looked phenomenal. She was not afraid,
she took control of the fight, and when she had
an opportunity, she pounced on it. Yeah, so that'd be
exactly right. This is like right now, is the moment
to press the to press the go button.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
We got Jasmine talking about this exact thing and that
she's putting off the wedding.

Speaker 13 (01:14:23):
Are So, do you want to stay this active or
you're looking for big names? What exactly do you want?

Speaker 7 (01:14:30):
Kind of up to the guys, I'm whatever the route
is to that number one spot, Like I don't, I
don't care who they've put in front of me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I don't care about who to you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
They'll figure all that stuff out.

Speaker 7 (01:14:42):
I just want to see Jasmin jazz busiast number one
champion of the world.

Speaker 13 (01:14:47):
So this time next year, do you think it says
number one next year name?

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
I'd say so, keep running on this this kind of trajectory.

Speaker 11 (01:14:55):
They said that you are delaying your wedding until you
get the belt.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
You want the belt before the ring?

Speaker 8 (01:15:01):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
You know, I'm not here for a long time. I
want to stay active, but I also want to like
have a nice wedding and plan it and enjoy doing that.
And I understand that there are sacrifices that I have
to make. You know, I'm coming for that number one
spot and you know afterwards we'll be able to get
married and it will be a spectacular show.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
You can bring the belt to the wedding exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
So she's ambitious. The work ethic is there. She's raised
her game in her craft. But Luke, from what we
see right now, is she title material? Is she good
enough to win this championship in your eyes?

Speaker 11 (01:15:41):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Is there room for more growth? Would what she did
to Androge translate at all to the elite?

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Well, she might already be there. I don't know what
I would say is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
It's a busy division. We got Macy Barber coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
You were asking, like, who's deserved the towle shot. The
properm is you've got Blanchfield and Barber. You know you
have Grosso and Fierro, but they've kind of fizzled out now.
And then the next two in line would be Blanchfield
and No, it would be Blanchfield and and Barber. So
the winner of that one which is coming up, is
probably gonna sell that question.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Do you think, oh, so you think they would get
the Blanchfield Barber winner would get it ahead of Silva.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
I think winner that fight fight Silva, and then you
do Valentino versus either way, Lee as a fair point
in the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Meantime, Yeah, that might be the right answer. You go
right there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Interesting stuff playing out at the one two five division
Topic number four, though, we continue on to the big
hits down this UFC three fifteen card, and Jose Aldo
was a big one. We didn't seem to love the
matchmaking for the third straight fight, but amon Zahabby, who
took home a disputed three round decision, uh at least
co authored a fun as hell final round that was

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all action and then surprisingly for me, led to Josie
Aldo directly to the King of he oh second retirement.
So Luke Jose appeared to put the gloves down for
good again. He said his body would not allow him
to cut down to one thirty five this time around.
That's why this fight was a featherweight bout. Do you
believe that this is true, that this is the end

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of Josie Aldo's UFC career or combat sports participation in general,
And if it is, should I move on past the
regrets I have of the matchmaking that these were the
last three Jose Aldo fights we saw rather than Dominic Cruz,
Pitbull etctera, etcetera.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
All right, so let me say this I do hope
it's the end for him. He's taken an enormous amount
of abuse, but.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
He's still really competent.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
He's still very competent. Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
You don't need to stop when you're completely destroyed. You
can stop before that. That's what people fail to realize.
He's already absorbed a lifetime's worth of CTE. I'm sorry,
he has a guarantee you we show.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
That pick of him in the cage as that said,
this was sad to see. This was like the final image.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Yeah, this is what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Like, and he won that fight. Dude, he won that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
He probably should have.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yeah, I mean I think it's a little closer than
the Internet will tell you. But I do agree he
probably should have won. But it's like, dude, he agreed
to this fight. People keep saying, like the UFC did
this to him. It's like he's a grown fucking man
and it's not in the middle of his career, the
very very end of it. He doesn't want to be
in these kinds of fights. Don't accept them. But I
also agree. I mean, here's the problem, right, b See,

(01:18:17):
I could accept him losing, I could accept him taking
some punishment, even at this stage if we were in fights,
that made a little bit more sense, and like it's
a boost to Amond's a hobby, but he's also a
little bit long in the tooth. I don't know what
he's really going to be able to get out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Thirty five he's riding Alwy six fight wind.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Streak, which is great for him, but I don't know
exactly what it's going to amount to in the end.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Same with Bautista. I don't really know what's going to
over three fights.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Here's a closer look at the recent ledger of Jose Aldo.
This is after the loss to uh uh morob.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Right right, and look at the caption here he writes
what a horribly managed comeback run for Joseialdo came back,
fought opponents, nobody wanted to see him, and it went
one and two and arguably, you know, could have gone Briono.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I suppose.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
The UFC game gave him the wrong fights. There's really
no argument.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Learned that from Silva giving him cannon air and Brunson.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
And this is what they like to do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
If you want to stick around, they're gonna use what's
left of the husk that is your body they're gonna
farm it out to whatever they can farm it out to. Dude,
you know, Frank Jegger, Chris Gutierre is in the garden
and that was his I think that was his last one,
if I believe, Like, where's Chris Gutierra is Now? He's
a good fighter, but didn't necessarily lift him to great heights.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
It didn't do any of that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Meanwhile, Frankie's career kind of just comes to like a
limp and clothes. Dude, they should have fucking done pit
Bull versus Aldo, but like they should like a like
a bigger prospect coming. Yeah, maybe something like that Chuewi's
I don't know, but they should have done dominant Cruz.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Like these were the fights people wanted to see. These
were the ones.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
And by the way, now that Aldo's gone, it's just fights.
Like it's just guys like honey ya ya, who are
the last WEC fighters on the roster?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
I know Cruz has since hung it up, but like,
you know, they mismanaged the end of this for one
of the very best guys to ever do it. They
should not have been putting him in fights that the
fans were kind of sour on to begin with that
didn't really lift the winners ultimately in the way that
they I think kind of envisioned it. And in the end,
who's satisfied by this?

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Obviously?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
If Amon's a hobby he thought, I think very Especially dude,
he got soccer kicked in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
The goddamn how he didn't get finished this unbelievable resiliency,
Like I took my hat to time to the face
and as he was falling back here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Fucking soccer kicked like dude, straight up. Amazing job by him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
But I'm just saying, we're taking some of these legends
and we're grinding them into dust for gains that are
not exactly clear to me at all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Who's winning here? Who's winning?

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I mean, would you have rather had him against conn
McGregor in a remiss then like a stupid fight?

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Should that video Connor put out of him training looked
like he was moving through molasses.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Well, if you're questioning if this is the end of
all those UFC run, I think it is. And then
the five tweet run that he put out yesterday that
basically just reiterated the thoughts that he gave in the
octagon about his body giving up on him. And him
for the first time feeling like okay, Like it's almost
like the baseball players that are you know, the famous
ones that say like the moment they it became a
job for them, They're like, Okay, I need to retire

(01:21:23):
now I know it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
That's the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
But Luke Money talks and this guy's competitive. And look
at Manny Pacio coming back at forty six years old
this July to fight again for a world title. Do
you feel like BKFC is going to call in a
year and then he's gonna box Mike Perry without gloves
for big money and win maybe and then you know
or just yeah, insert name right, and like do you
see Josialdo being done for good or do you think

(01:21:48):
it's just it's just frickin' enough.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
I mean, he did say something kind of interesting and
I tweeted it yesterday when he was saying he was
cutting weight, and then a voice spoke to him, being like,
you don't have to do this anymore, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
You're down a class from your elite wait at this age, like,
there's other there's ways to do this more lazy if.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
You want it to be fair, And I agree with him,
like dude, Like, what's motivating him to just yeah, I
mean keep the wind streak going, but I don't know
what well, sorry the not the wind streak, but well,
in his mind.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
I don't think he's lost.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
I mean, there's there's part of that, but I think
the issue is, you know what, what is the fucking
point of this? What is the fucking point of all
of this? You know, you're putting him in a place
where the judges probably didn't do the right job in
awarding him this contest. You're against an opponent that, again
I give a ton of respect to. I'mond's a hobby
who has you know, managed to have the best run

(01:22:39):
of his career right at the very end of it,
or you know, close to the end of it, and
that's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Tord amazing, amazing, amazing job by him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
But these are not the fights that the fans requested,
and I don't know what's going to do for him
long term. Meanwhile, you're watching one of the very fucking
legends of the game just get put through the grinder,
and you're like, how does it make you feel?

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
You don't feel like we're supposed to feel elevated when
we watch a legend come back for something we're supposed to.
It's supposed to be romantic to a degree, it seems ordinary.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Him and Tom Cruise could have fought, and no matter
the result, that could have been full busheto everyone in
the everyone's standing, giving both a standing ovation on their
way out. It's like a perfect way. It's not like
you could there's ways to pass the torch when you
have that elite young prospect, which is why I felt
like a Patty versus Connor pay per view fight should
have already happened. Okay, you can also just let two

(01:23:31):
legends go out one more time. Shake Han's, get the
rubb and be out of there, And that's that's what
it probably better would have felt like the rest of
three fifteen, though, luke that early to open the pay
per view main card of Ben was Saint Denis shaking
off a two fight, losing skin I'm sorry for a
while against Kyle preppolect and then he gets the submission
with the arm triangle choke at in round two. He

(01:23:53):
needed it to stop the streak, but I agree it didn't.
Scream dude, he.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Got lit up. Yeah, how was that possible?

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
You take it on a guy who washed out of UFCU,
you know, put together a decent win streak of four
and one on the regional scene, comes back, you know,
is clearly outgunned. Listen, BSD won that fight because he's
in just an aggression machine and he does have some
pretty good grappling.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I'll give him credit there, but he got rocked. Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
His head looks like it was glued onto his shoulders
because of the lack of movement. There's nothing defensive, just
walking the guy down, and so Prepa like kept fucking
landing on him. And I'm like, dude, buddy, what you like?
You can't beat anybody good fighting like this. You will
not beat anybody good fighting like this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
I hope he does. I hope we get to see
the best of him in climbing the ranks, because you know,
the division's opening up with those older guard guys on
the way out. That way supposed to be what that
was like a pat You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
You could like this guy being like, oh, I didn't
use a coach the last two camps.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yeah, put the camera on me. Ready, here we go.
It shows it shows.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Sure we're going to have a Don Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Put the camera on me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Moment soon but before we close out three fifteen. Now,
Mike Mallott was and put on him at times against
Charles Ratky in a fun little scrap. But dude, Malot
got the hometown popped there in the prelim featured fight.
Are you back on the bandwagon? The Canadian slow?

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
I mean, I'll say this, it was exciting, great performance, dude,
he was. I mean he was treating rat Key's head
like a double ended.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
That was a brutal ground and pound finish.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
The overhead shots. I mean, we can't show the replay here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
No, the ratkeys head is just getting like speed bagged.
So that was I mean, it's got to feel great
for Mike. That's a great comeback win. You know, I
don't know what it means for his future BC if
I'm just being honest with you, but but you know,
he had the He had the Canadian crowds all on
their fields.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
So Mark Andre Barrio looked like a Canadian destroyer and
he he dent the skull of Bruno Silva in that
first round.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
K that was a bad kid, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Damn they brought in the stretcher.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
People might not appreciate this. I remember watching UFC when
they would have a serious medical event in the octagon
and then they would just wouldn't show it and they
wouldn't update you on the broadcast. And this is some
years go. This is a Spike TV era.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
They didn't have the insurance to cover it. I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
No, no, you have to have insurance to cover by law,
you couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
They didn't have need you guys to die outside.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
No no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
They had to cover that stuff even then, but they
didn't have transparency to the public about why they were
doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
And I think they've amended this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
This is not a new thing that they're doing, but
this was a good illustration of just how much better
they've gotten about this issue. Where they showed him being
stretchered out, which they did not do back in the day,
and then gave us, through Brendan Fitzgerald, a series of
medical updates about him. And by the way, I want
to say something, as a bit of a side note,
they had Brendan Fitzgerald doing locker room reporting, cage stat reporting,

(01:26:39):
medical updates, and hosting the desk. He did all of
it flawlessly. H he is such a good broadcaster. It
is shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
He's very good and he just followed me on Instagram.
Shout out to nice There you go, Long Island. Luke,
you give you credit the curtain jerker of the evening
at bantamweight. You said, Becza al mackin Almakon. Yeah, alma
Con was a potential killer and he killed Brad Katona
in just over a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Yo.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
Hey he look good, Luke thinks Katona kind of looks
like he's not so great. I think it was Omicon
looking good.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
It is Olmicon looking good. Also, Katona is not that good.
I mean he seems like a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
But any other donks you want to talk about in
this card? I mean, shout out to Lithuania, modestus.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
So the scoring and that was what the fuck was that?
I can't even get angry about it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I mean they are kind of meaningless fights. Unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Well no, I mean the wreck I won, so it's
not even that. But like thirty twenty seven the other way,
you're like, what do you even say to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Something like that? I don't I don't even know what
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
I say, it's time for topic number oh long. I look,
you always have something to say about the deep undercard.
You want to go on the dark web and tell
us anything here?

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
No, I mean bukowski is getting that nod was a
little iffy. Also, Daniel Santos over John Young Lee, I
feel like that was a little if you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Could you have scored it for Farrow? Did you score
it for her?

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:27:59):
I had one four or five for Chevy?

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Sorry? What am I saying? The Bukowska scoring was wrong? Well?
The twenty nine twenty eight? How did you score that? Beout?

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
I don't remember my exact scoring, but I remember thinking
Kutalaba won.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Yes, they read the score card, yes, so thirty twenty
seven the other way. Excuse me?

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
I think I remember thinking that, like, maybe you could
find a round and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Form if you really squinted. But what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
There we go topic number five, Luke. It was Friday
of last week. I'm not doing a bit here when
I realized Paul Hughes maybe maybe the biggest and brightest
thing going outside of Dakota Ditcheva in the PFL, that
he was fighting this past weekend in Dublin. No doubt
in what When that happens, you expect a raucous crowd

(01:28:43):
and atmosphere, it was here's the problem. Nobody knew about it,
and it wasn't on American television. Now in the end,
the rising star Paul Hughes bounced back from the loss
to Usmann and Magha Metov, and that thriller earlier this
year needed just forty two seconds to finish. Bruno Miranda
had an emotional call out of Namaga medoff for a

(01:29:04):
rematch afterwards. But when there's zero opportunity for US fans
to watch it live, when no one seems to know
what's even happening, and now Don Davis comes out on
Twitter and attempts to try to be the hero, can
we throw to this tweet?

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
This was not from LinkedIn. This was on Twitter. PFL
fans in USA, you asked for it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
We pulled this off of Microsoft Teams and Slack.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
And PFL MMA will deliver it. All PFL International League
fights will be available for free, free, free, free to
watch in the USA moving forward starting June. First details
coming in major announcement from PFL MMA. Luke that's similar
to the victory lap he took by saying the fans
wanted elbows, so we put elbows in MMA, Hey, Don,

(01:29:50):
the fans want you to drop this tournament format, stop
having eighteen champions in fifteen feeder leagues and just to
clear who your best fighters are and have them fight
for belts and then we'll get behind rather than what
we're getting here. Either way, incredible atmosphere. Look, is it
too hard to look past the Don Davis side of
it and not guess if this company's still going to

(01:30:11):
be around in two.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Years because they're not gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
This great moment happened that probably should have been. You know,
they're leading no of this first half of the year
based on the rivalry building between these guys, and they
barely promoted it. It wasn't even you couldn't even watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Here's what blows my mind is that the UFC, like,
if Paul Hughes was the UFC and he was coming
off of that loss to Usbin nimburga madoff, could there
be a world where he fought this Miranda kid in
the same kind of way. Well maybe in the sense
that they would have booked Hughes against somebody else, and
if that other person had fallen out and they had
called this guy in last minute, they would have done it.
The point I'm trying to make is they actually, if

(01:30:47):
you look at the show itself for whether.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Way, we couldn't get it here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
So if you illegally streamed it somehow and you watched it,
would it looked good on TV? Hughes, I mean set
that crowd on fire. But the bigger point I wanted
to make was this is Strikeforce. Strike Force would take
a guy off of a big win and they might
give him another big fight after that, But sometimes they wouldn't.

(01:31:11):
Sometimes they would give him a guy that they knew
he could easily beat, and he would in fact easily
beat him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
It would be red meat.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
To the fans and attendance to online, and it would
build his star power, and then the one after that
they would give him another tough fight again. So what
I'm saying is, I don't even mind that the fact
that the fight was forty three seconds, it looked good
on TV and look good for the crowd. It's only
gonna you know, he gets a win back. It gets
a seminal moment for Irish MMA history.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Big moment for PFL if it's presented.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
And you've got no one in the States who even
knew about it or had access to it. I don't
use this phrase very often BC, but I'm going to
bring it back out because it's relevant. This is promotional malpractice.
This is promotional malpractice. This is doing it wrong. This
is doing it wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
And then spoke and he delivered, so moving forward and
then to be like like, oh, we're listening to the fans.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
You don't have a domestic fan base, don What the
fuck are you talking about? Like, we're listening to the fans,
you mean the complaints that have been lobbied about the
access to the premier guys. And by the way, listen
to what I'm saying. I'm not even saying they're doing
a bad job matchmaking him. I'm actually saying it's a
pretty good job. But if a tree falls in the
forest and no one is there to see it, right,

(01:32:22):
we know the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
This is what I'm talking about. And by the way,
we hear that like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Sometimes he'll DM media guys when they say critical things. Yes,
you know, because I haven't. I haven't gotten one of
those yet. Have you got one of those?

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:32:36):
I'd love to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
I'd love to have a chat with him about this
kind of stuff because It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
It's promotional malpractice to have one of your most exciting
talents and not promote him and not even have a
way for people in the US to access.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I'm sorry. The thing that they spend all their money
and time promoting are these tournaments that don't actually lead
to becoming champion, and it's kind of in some ways
they're second tier fighters, so it's like, what about their
first tear fighters. Oh, they are either sitting out wait
for the next pay per view if it happens, or.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
They're at the road to Dubai, South Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Going on a major podcast and complaining publicly that Ditschiva
had to do to then get a fight announced the
next day. So let's show from a fan cam. Here
was the in arena excitement and this is all part
of Dublin and these incredible fight fans in Irish combat sports.
But listening on this, this kids a fucking stop. Let's

(01:33:41):
check out this tweet too from PT Carroll, who from
on Crown provided great coverage coming in and coming out
of it. He said, the world should have been able
to see this tonight so they can understand what Paul
Hughes means to these people. One of the best atmospheres
I've experienced covering the sport in fifteen plus years on
this on this island.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
I mean, like, dude, they're gonna go out of business
and MMA is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Poorer for it. Can the rematch save them? Because this
should have been the thing nothing considered. I mean after
the first fight, which was so great, and they put
it for free on social media on YouTube, and then
they're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna be off for too much.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
It's gonna be so bad for MMA when a promotion
like this goes, it's going to be terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
He was talking about.

Speaker 15 (01:34:21):
I will never ever ever forget the entire experience. But
I could see a black that stitting in with the
lights and I heard every single person singing at the
same time, and that is just something I will go
to the grid with. I mean, I believe I'm one
of the best time for find on the planet. I
truly true to believe that. I think that when I
get to fight Impi Duisman, that will be more proof

(01:34:43):
that I am that guy. I just need to beat
him first. It has to be next. The PFL would
be absolutely crazy not to make that Q next, So
make the fight as soon as possible. Let's get it done.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
I mean, seriously, drop everything you're doing. I'm sorry, drop
PFL Mina in all the like, it's cool that you
have this blueprint of how you're going to build up
this this world you know system, You're never going to
get there unless you're actually using your assets. Where the
frick is patchy mix? How the hell did you let
Aaron Pico go there? Please?

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
They're stuck between we have to differentiate our brand to
get money, to confuse, right, we have to confuse our
brand to get money. But as a consequence, they can't
grow an audience because everything is so confusing and they
make bad decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
And he just that's where we are.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
All Don does is pass it off as the m
M A media being negative. It's like you don't have
the leverage to do the Dana White move and say.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
That also, we're negative because we're right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Because we want you to succeed. And it's like, what
the hell is going on?

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
You imagine looking at a burning building and be like,
why are you guys so negative about this this building's
future prospects?

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Well, it's on fucking fire.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
What's the best thing PFL can do to make this
rematch huge, to put a lot of positive pr in them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
World tour, pr world tour, and book it in a
venue with fans, with fans, sell in domestically and full
court press on doing media.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Are you talking about like Boston? Are you talking about put.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Yeah boss to be a great idea TD Garden if
you could sell it. But this is the point I'm
going to make you laugh at me when I brought
this up. You see, well, when they came to DC
with Francis and Jake Paul and I talked to my
friends over at the Washington Post. It was like, did
they even come to you guys and pitch you?

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
And they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
It was one thing not to pitch me, but they
didn't even pitch the Washington Post, Like, how do you
come to DC and you don't even bother with him?
You didn't bother with Fox five, You didn't bother with
any of these other outlets that are typically pretty receptive
to this kind of thing. They have to stop that,
they have to get out there, hit the pavement. You
got to come see this kid. We've got one of
the most exciting They can literally say to the camera,

(01:36:42):
We've got one of the most exciting fighters irrespective of
weight class in the entire sport.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
And they're telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
If you can't sell tickets based off of that Bubba,
you can't sell TIEW.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Should you put on the Coleman and make that a.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Pay per view?

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Fuck No, put that on ESPN. Put that on ESPN.
Put that on ESPN. Put that on ESPN. And I'm
telling you, I'm telling you it's a different ballgame under
that consider I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Wish they promoted that like a pro wrestling promotion from
the eighties would meaning every show, we've got to sit
down interview segment with Paul Hughes to continue to churn
up talk to that rematch every one of these tournament shows,
like it's got to be about what you're building toward.
They never educate to the fans what they're building toward
in anything. It's Donald just say, oh, yeah, we'll just
do the Champions League Series at the end of the year.
For what another meaningless belt that you're going to create

(01:37:28):
that's going to disappear the second it's competed for. Johnny
Eblin's fighting soon he's the middleweight champion of what eur PFL.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Yeah again in that press release, so they announced that
Evelin and Ditcheville were coming back. Eblin was listed as
the weight class champ. Ditchiva was listed as the tournament champ.
But you don't there's you know, the differentiation in how
it's described as modest and if you're not paying attention,
you wouldn't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
It's the whole thing ridiculous. It depresses me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
But that part is it's going to be bad for
MMA when they go. It's going to be really, really bad.
But what can I say?

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
And you can reach the show in the future, folks,
including Friday's episode, when we will take your fan subs
and post your dead wrongs by reaching out to Morning
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of your privates. Thank you so much, Luke. You know
how much I love boxing. The Boxing Hall of Fame
in Canistoda, New York, and by proxy I heard about

(01:38:22):
it for years, the experience of the Boxing Hall of
Fame weekend, the International Boxing Hall of Fame there I
called a couple of showbox fights back in the day
on that weekend, And how about this Friday June six
and a really fun collaboration coming up between Salida Promotions
and All the Smoke Fight as they present Hall of
Fame Fight Night. It'll air live on his own Friday,

(01:38:42):
June sixth at the Turning Stone Resort Casino in Verona,
New York, one town over there from Canistota, and the
legendary hof USBA titleist Brandon More will face unbeaten and
dangerous Stanley Right in the main event in a matchup
of American heavyweights. We're also going to see Franchion Cruise
deserned her unified world champion on the undercard. UH, some

(01:39:03):
rising contenders as well, And this is a pretty cool
collaboration here. We're getting All the Smoke Fight on the scene.
Andre Ward as well sit down to interviews with the
Hall of famers h Manny Pacio going in that weekend,
by the way, to stay just a month before he
is going to come out of retirement at age forty six.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
So happy about him going to the Hall of Fame though,
but him going to the Hall of Fame very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
I hope I get to call it. That'd be fantastic,
do you know if you are, I don't know. Yeah,
it'll be you're calling Caleb Plant Jamal Charlow in separate
fights May thirty, first PBC on Prime.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
But it's a T mobile.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
That is that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Actually, I gotta check it. I don't think T mobile. Okay,
they got to figure out it could be Mandali Babe
excited about this Friday, June sixth. Of course they're on
live on his own at the Turning Stone Resort Casino.
Should be a good time Hall of Fame fight night. So,
Luke Thomas, those are our five topics put to bed.
We do have an opportunity for the fans to reach
out to to us and touch us a little at

(01:40:02):
Morning Combat, at Gmail, on Instagram and on X Sunday nights.
And you did that. So here are your questions. They're
called dms from donks. Yeah, that was that was pretty gross.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Look I hate it all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Right, let's hear the first question. This is from at
Rick Bolden, who ends twenty twenty five Luke Thomas as
the UFC walterweight and lightweight champion. Great question, in light
of everything going on right now, you're like Elio Tuporia,
both of them.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Ilioporia for a lightweight for sure, Walterway. One's a little
more interesting to me.

Speaker 16 (01:40:43):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Okay, where are we at right now? We are in
the month of May.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
We have potentially two more fights. Potentially the champion.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Will defend once in the next four months. Probably probably
it might be against he gets the mach Of, but
he won't fight again mach Of the winner if he wins.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
Unlikely, but it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
It's gonna be is it gonna be ill, gonna be me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
It's gonna be shitty if I will say this, it's
gonna be shitty if they both move up weight classes
and then become champions immediately and then we still miss
that fight.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
You know, what do you make of Islam on social media?
I saw saying that he doesn't want he doesn't necessarily
have to give up the belt. He just wants to
move up become a Two.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Fighters say lots of things. Okay, that's nice when they
do that, they say lots of things.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I'm gonna go Islam right now. Islam will close the year,
But I mean we need to see it. Mean, we
freaking need to see it. Next question coming in Hot
and Heavy from at Cosma B seventeen. If JDM beats
Islam later this year, Who does that win him Fighter
of the Year. Yeah, if you win the championship in

(01:41:51):
the same year that you beat the number one pound
for pound fighter to make your first title.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Defense, it could And then someone's gonna go, Yeah, but
there's guy farked three times, and that guy fucked two times,
and three is a bigger number than two.

Speaker 6 (01:42:04):
So therefore three im question of Corey Sandegan and that skip.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
I couldn't stand those people about this poetically argument.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
I mean, what if what if Turia wins the title
against Charles, if that happens and then gets a second
fight against whom.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Gachi ue are They're going to make a patty fight
if wins.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Yeah, they would, and that would be a big deal
and that should be.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
The sending his mouthpiece into orbit would be Yeah, I
mean think about it. Well, no, it would be to
Puri in that case, because he'd be going up away
class and then under the scenario that we're posting, he'd
be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
I imagine if they were both in the running for
Fight of the Year, We're like, why don't you just
fight each other to close the year?

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
And that's what you should be.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
That's what you should do at the tip. There we go.
Let's see the next question from our viewers. This is
from at Taekwon dough No Taekwon Taekwon dude, memes, is
got a actually the biggest loser in MMA right now.
He's clearly not next at one seventy And who knows
what would happen if Islam wins the belt and then
tries to defend the fifty five two.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
He definitely took a hit. He definitely took a hit.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
There was a picture of him on social media wearing
a cast cast.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
Yes, you say, like the Infinity Gauntlet, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
He just had surgery. It seems that'd be cool.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
If you broke your arm and they gave you a
cast that was like the Infinity Gauntlet, that'd be kind
of sick.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Whoever's the champion, Like when it's Chavcott's time, it's not
like he's gonna do a ton of media ahead of it,
Like it's just gonna find We're gonna find out he's
healthy and it's gonna be his time.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Yeah, he definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
I mean, here's the problem, dude, Like even if you
have to sit up because of injury, like there's you
just have to sit out. Oh my god, Mma moves fast. Buckley,
here he comes running up, here comes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
You think he might lose his spot, meaning they might say,
I'm sorry, you're gonna have to come back and fight
the winner of Buckley. You're gonna have to. Yes, absolutely,
that's why it's fun. I mean, we're just gonna add
the best fighter on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
The It's a fucking shark tank. He really is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Yeah, let's see the next question from the people. This
is from Matt probably Brian. What is your favorite boushido
moment in m M A. Mine is Luis Leoto Machida
bowing after front kicking Vitor's head into the stratosphere. That
was a cold but sweet bushido moment right there. Uh, Luke,

(01:44:15):
I mean there was some girl hieto. Can you run that, Valentino?
You want a clip for a second year, we'll speak
over it. Look, I enjoyed this girl hido moment. Uh
when uh, you know, Valentina defended the title, proved her greatness,
and then it was it was like the receiving line
after a wedding. Luke, I don't know who that is.
Who's that right there?

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Bigelow. That's a huge bit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Yeah, yeah, there's a there's yo wanna champion? Uh luke.
We love bushido because we get it these days so
few and far between most And is there a historic
bushido moment that jumps out at you?

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Mmmm?

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Well, who who got on their knees and cried when
it was somebody's last fight recently and it was like
you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
Fuck? Was that with the noise that you?

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Yeah, well, now look what fight? Am I referencing when
when somebody had their last fight and then the opponent
like prayed over them and like hugged them on the
ground afterwards. I don't know, and like bowed in front
like vaguely know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
I can't remember that has had a few of those.
You know. He did it to Ryan Bader too, I believe,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
So I don't know if that's pure. I mean it is,
it is bushido, but it's also like this badass celebration.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
On yeah, but also like you know, it's showing respect
to a guy who is your opponent. I might say
it's slightly different, but Yankee Pseudo having the we are
all One flag that he would take with him and
show the crowd everywhere, even when you know you had
crazy ass fights even against like Butterbean and stuff like that,
Like just trying to show community and unity rather than

(01:45:44):
what we get now, which is you know and we're jokes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
How about that time that Tito like had his last
fight and then Forrest Griffin just comment dared the microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
I don't remember that. Oh that's right, Holy shit, I
forgot about that and wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
I was like drunken uncle at your wedding gear.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
You're seeing Tito's new ads for his business.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Yeah, they're coming.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Yeah, he's sposed tequila wrong on the He does.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
A lot of those things regularly. Do we have a
final question from the people or does that wrap up
from that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
Z Riggs?

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
If you could truth saram Turkey, what would you ask?
I always play this game with Dana White, Like, if
you could know one truth, you can ask Dana wait
right now one question you has to give you a
non answer. But now we're doing it Turkey style. What
would you ask?

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Are you evil? You?

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
You have you truth? Have you have you done the
math yourself to have an opinion?

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
I mean I'm asking you're asking what what? Well? You're
asking like what could I ask him that to get.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
An interesting response? If you had to, like a complete
one commitment to the truth? Are you evil? Be curious
to hear what you have to say?

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Interesting?

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Do you remember the song from Metallica? And yes I am.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
I mean, I have decently funny answers, But will they
get me into hot water? You know, that's question I'm
trying to avoid that these days.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Who's the guy who's looking like a fucking boy? Rick Greena,
that's the Turkey. I don't know what I would ask
him to be honest with, I'm just making something up.
How many of these outfits you got a little more
interesting to me? Yeah? I mean Rick, what you wearing? Bud?

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
I mean, we could ask do we want to know
the answers with Turkey? That's yeah, yeah, interesting. Those are
the five questions from the fans. Thank you very much
for playing. We'll see you next week. We have one
more segment for you, and it's when I on Sunday
Scholar the Globe for the highs and lows, the good,
the bad, the ugliity in between the world of combat
sports and beyond. This one's called have you seen this ship?

(01:47:43):
You have se three fifteen was in Montreal, Luke, and
although we didn't get many soundbites from Danna this week,
he did respond when they said, I thought you don't
do stadiums. What's up with Bud Canelo?

Speaker 13 (01:47:53):
Oh you throw more punches, So I'm curious what kind
of fight can we expect from you against.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Sorry that was the wrong one, but that's hilarious. I
read it out of order. That was to kick off
the three fifteen press conferences. Maybe that's why Dana barely played.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
Oh yeah, that's that's the other MK dogs. Bet.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Here's the question about the dome convenient in the stadium.
I know you like the experience I got better to
experience at the arena.

Speaker 16 (01:48:14):
And yeah, I hate it. I hate it so because
I hate it so much, you know, I'm gonna have
to try to figure out out how to make it
an incredible experience. Uh inside allegiance, then, won't I don't
understand that he succeeds.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
If he succeeds with Bud Canelo being an in arena
like Dynamo like, it probably will be. I mean, he
has been to big time boxing events. They always they.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
Thrill the big The entire answer makes no sense. First
of all, why would you want someone working on this
who detests the concept of it. You're not going to
get the best out of that period.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
You're just Won't this force him like Ronda Rousey's success
in star Power forced his hand on Women's of the may.
Won't this force him to go, Oh my god, this
was awesome when we did it right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
You don't like how people think he's gonna rethink twenty
five years of the way he's been promoting for one card.
You're out of your fucking mind. That's not gonna happen.
More to the point he disdains than the very concept
of it. And even more than that, we've already seen
people do very successful arena shows in MMA and boxing.
There's already a blueprint. What he's like, I have to

(01:49:21):
go figure this out, Like, no one's done it before.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
A million people have fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Octagon does it in Europe several times a year, kas
W does it several times a year.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
Pride did it when I was in fucking college.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
What yeah, can we show the first ay and white
clip again with the fans?

Speaker 13 (01:49:39):
Oh, you're throwing more punches, So I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
One kind of fighting?

Speaker 13 (01:49:42):
What can we expect from you against Valentine on Saturday?

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Three point fifteen also gave us the UFC wayan show
being wild. Let's watch this beer chug competition.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
This first no twisty twist once good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
It's like hot potato. Whoever it lands on, you gotta
drink it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
This used to be MK when we saw you gotta drive.
There we go drinking hard, drink it go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
They take it after it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
With m hell DC sports legend, go the go Dang.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Go go good. Josh Jingo commits to the biting.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
He actually does this way and show is one of
the best things UFC does the old That's like me
on the Halo after I've been spoken weed all night.

Speaker 8 (01:50:27):
Laur You're a uh, you are a winner and everything
you do, finish this.

Speaker 6 (01:50:31):
I care La.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
You are better than this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
That's like a pro wrestling level commitment there.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
From saying that DC's dumping it all out on the floor,
it's really hard to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
He's like, let me get these calories. If you don't
know them, all right, let's keep it going here. Also
r J Clifford at the one liner of the week.
You love this guy, right, Are you a bigger fan
of Jessica Andrage than I am of Shop cut.

Speaker 11 (01:50:57):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
It's a little bit more sexual, but I would say,
oh my god, oh keep an't mad about my incantage jokes? Right?

Speaker 15 (01:51:09):
Got him?

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
Oh my god? I mean I guess I do.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
I was gonna say, I'm surprised you didn't get in
trouble for that at work. But you know, you can
just say you're like Alf Hitler on this job and
then on sh about it. But r J is the man.
He was a longtime guy. It's serious sex and I
think he's still there. He's great.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Not pictured at UFC three fifteen was maybe the most
important man in m A right now in terms of
get your ship together John Jones. He was in Thailand, Luke,
but this video came out of him. Huh Zyle like Jones?

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
So oh come on my dumo?

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Uh so I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
I mean, well, it's good to see him sober, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Yeah, as he trained him for the Aspen All fight.
Is that what's happening? What the hell is going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
I don't who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
This is m man twenty five? Yeah, right, get ready
for AS's been all gone?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
And just like it. Hey, Paul Hughes might be fighting today.
We don't even know. We don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
All right, time for your regular folk fights of the week. Here,
let's go to this bar and watch this action, Luke.
It started off fun and games, but it gets serious quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
This two dudes, I can't even tell.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Look at this guy going for the curb stomp.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Oh dude, dude, come on, hey, I mean that's just cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Oh good, this guy a bunch of white frat kids, Luke.
These are your folk.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Whoa, yeah, exactly, Yeah, you're damn right. They are.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
All right? All right, uh, decent scrap. Let's go to
the Red Rock Casino in Vegas. Here's your real folk
fight of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
They have to hear it. I'll do a lot of
what's up talking?

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
What's down? Dude?

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
You know what my man in the hoodie tried to.
He tried to help. They didn't listen. Oh now he's
talking ship to those like I'm scared. Yeah. Oh he's
trying to he's trying to. Oh did he break his leg?

Speaker 3 (01:53:08):
He did the crow cop Yeah, to get a head
kicked by Gabriel Gonzaga.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Let's also go to the alleyway watch this fax machine
take a take a moment in this fight. Oh boy, okay,
I don't know the context of that situation, but that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
One more time, yo, I gotta send you a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
She kept it one hund with the facts right there. Wow,
old white guys at a NASCAR event. Yeah, we'll watch
him scrap. Luke, check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Well, who's not going to do that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
No, no, it's it's true. X is the best.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
Don't you tell them Dale senior jumps.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Don't you talk about the king?

Speaker 7 (01:53:46):
Right? Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
Don't you talk about Kyang of this race?

Speaker 17 (01:53:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
All?

Speaker 11 (01:53:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Time for some nutshots. Let's go to the break dance. Okay,
warning up, Okay, let's go to the soccer pitch. See
if anyone can take it to the nuts here. Oh boy,
that is uh is a fully right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
There? Is that? The Saudi Arabian League too? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
I think so? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
You know what, it's better than getting bones.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
On, Luke. The lady that you have voted MVP of
the segment is the crazy cake lady from France. Let's
check it out her.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Okay, oh god, okay, stop eating things, you crazy lady.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Imagine if she just pulls out like a just strips
of guy's pants down and just.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
She's gonna cut off her leg and it's just gonna
be Oh, here we go. What about God, you are disgusting.
Put her in the zoo?

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
How about that? But we need to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
See under the showtime budget, I bet you I could
have convinced Daniel Snyder's nephew to fly her in for
an m campisode where she just like it's cutting up
the MK. Yeah, it's like your vape. She just takes
a bite out of it. Its cake, you know. It's like, oh,
this dis to be great, my elder abuse time, Luke.
Let's let's this is why.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
You don't drink beer on trains, right, Okay, I don't
know what city this is in it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Oh god, okay, that is uh, hang on to those
rails here, let's see what's happening here. Now that's the
end of it. He took a he took a facial
right there. All right. Uh, let's see. This is why
I don't mess with like bullfighting or the running of
the bulls or anything to do with the bulls. Pretty much.
I don't even go to Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
Okay, Oh my god, Hey guys, I'll stop messing with
gigantic horned animals.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
All right? Uh, luke? What like, what do you do
when a friend accidentally puts a hole in your wall?

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
I mean that'll fix it. Let's go to the barbershop here,
Cuts of the week time, Luke?

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Uh yeah, score one for feminism.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
I gotta say it seems like truth in advertising.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Okay, all right, if you thought that aircut was good,
you give me the fucking con Give me the post
malone when you go to the barber next time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
Wow, I mean, just send this person to a Salvador
to die in al Is that art? That's kind of art, right,
I mean it's art of a certain kind. Yeah, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
Would you smoke that joint?

Speaker 7 (01:56:27):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
Out of that? Of course? Question? Would you joke?

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
Would you Joe? Would you smoke the giant Punjamin coming
up in this next clip? That's a little extremes.

Speaker 10 (01:56:35):
No, it gets the extra flavor extra, yeah, extra extra
flavors holding.

Speaker 7 (01:56:42):
A very sale.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
Do you think that would determine because it would?

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
Okay. My late uncle used to tell a story about
hitchhiking in the late seventies across uh the west coast of.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
Our country was the Zodiac Killer.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
He could probably could have been confused as it. He said.
One time he got it was in the back seat
of a two seat sedan and the guys were like, hey,
you mind if we smoke. He's like, yeah, no problem,
he said. They pulled out a giant wooden long bong
that shaped like a boner, and they were.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
Like, maybe those guys should stop hitchhiking and buying drugs
and just put their money towards a car.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Yeah, that's that's wild. The way that that story ends
is even more wild, but we'll have to save that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
For an uh Al, I've seen the Killer movie. I
know how it is all right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Local news bloopers continue to be the best watch the
Spanish news broadcast Luke's spending. Okay, did you see that man?

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
What is that? Luke?

Speaker 16 (01:57:38):
What like Portuguese?

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
Okay, Well, I'm glad I got to see another man's
ask today. I didn't get enough of that on the
New York City subway.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Luke, take me down to the Paradise City where the
grass is green and the girls have And if you're
making last minute dinner plans, you may have a hard
time getting in some of the titties and some in
some of the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
City's top spots. That's my nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
That's my nightmare is to be forever memorialized being like
and uh, just being on local news and just being like,
you know what, guys, I want to go for some titties,
I mean beers when this is over and everyone knows
you're a fucking creep, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
Yeah, it's kind of like also if you're like an
old Ridge guy and you just want to get laid
and then like everybody's making fun of your relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Bella checking his girlfriend in the year two thousand. Okay,
that's that's disgusting, that's disturbing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
All right, we should cleanse the palette with the MLB
arm Break of the week. You into this? Oh oh
that need dropped it too, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
That's oh well, you know what, they play one hundred
and seventy two games a season.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
We'll be back, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
A new sport alert. It's called ultimate Whip fighting. You in,
how don't we just do it executions?

Speaker 7 (01:58:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
Our white people they can't use whips anymore, so they
just use it on each other. Like, what's the story
is that? Reth dude? Hey, long Isluke.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
Have you heard of these two aussy guys who are
kind of like their own like jackass, and they do
these things where they hurt each other for bits, but
they commonly it's more I one on their Instagram page.
I I watched like one hundred videos. They commonly hit
each other with different types of whips.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Have you seen this?

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
I have not, but I am intrigued the end in
anal or what it ends with these guys whipping the
fucking flesh off each other. It is so fucked up,
but it's kind of funny when they howl in pain.

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
Anyway, go ahead, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
It's time for your fart of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
What do you think he ate to create?

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
That Chernobyl?

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Send him to Elsa.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Let's party, Luke. Everyone's invited. I hope that's not a
problem remodeling.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
That's what you get for partying loudly.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Okay, old guy? All right, Luke, This next bit was
me all.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
When I go, when I go to Columbia, you know
how hard it is for me to like find a
time when the fucking walls are not thumping.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Yeah, it's it's twenty four to seven, Luke.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
This was me all week reacting to the negative comments
to may Angana joke.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Okay, what the fuck is the point of this?

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
It'll make him tougherly?

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
Did it make you tougher? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
Getting feedbackes, yeah, Luke. Podcast number one for MMA Fighters
doesn't always go well. You remember Bryce Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
On his first episode, Yeah, the Hitler one.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Yeah, here's Cheweewi's on his ohmena, what are you gonna
do when Drake puts the nine inches in you? The you?

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
That's gone?

Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
Okay, Hey, listen, if you're into reading books, there's an
alternative to this that's.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
Like nineteen ninety five humor right there, like that would
be that's not even.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
That's nineteen ninety five humor if you're thirteen years old.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
All right, all right, there we go. H one more
for you, Luke. Yeah, I'm glad to see that manners
and gentlemanship has not left us. Watch this. That's the
ship of the week. Maybe maybe not the best batch

(02:01:41):
we've had.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
But yeah, that's as I hope you have seen that. Yeah,
that's the uh, that's the C minus. That wasn't your
best effort.

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
That's okay, all right, we're still alive there, Thank you,
very much for playing and watching. I hope you guys
are doing well. I don't know what else to say. Really, Oh, dude,
Sabu rip the e CW.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
The how did you know this is the pro wrestling guy?

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
Yeah, the pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
Did he die?

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Did well? He'd been in horrific help but he just
had his retirement match at age sixty against Joey Janella
where he during wrestlming the Weekend where there was like
barbed wire ropes, like death match, and he put himself
through hell and then died a few weeks later, like
a like a.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
Real man did. What was the cause?

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
I don't actually know that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Is it related to the match? I mean maybe how
old was he?

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
Sixty? I mean, dude, Sabu at his prime. For as
much as you tune into ECW in the late nineties
when you got home from the bar drunk and high,
as much as it was for the just next level
absurdities sandman, the drinking of the beer, those highlights of
him doing backflips off the top rope like into the crowd,

(02:02:45):
knocking people over happily. It was just some of the
most insane shit I've ever seen, just death defying, bad assery.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
I will never celebrate his death. That's I'm sorry to
hear that. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Thank you for the work for the pro wrestling community
for saying that. Yes, all right, on that note.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
The lead singer of Three Doors Down has stage four cancer.
Do you see this.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
I'm sorry to hear that too. Yeah, Long Island, Luke,
thank you for working today. Any other deaths you want
to report, it's been.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
A pleasure, don't.

Speaker 6 (02:03:12):
I don't have any deaths to report. I do want
to report that Ken has a Ridge wallet though, So.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
Yeah, Ken, well colors got there. Yeah that looks like
prison silver.

Speaker 3 (02:03:22):
Yeah, Ken's got a Ridge wallet and also illicit narcotics.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Let's be very clear about that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
Best sound man in the league, all right, yeah, today,
he's more than that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
Yeah, he's also my dealer.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
Alright, all right, that's the show. I hope you had fun.
Thank you for playing. That's Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell.
We'll be back Friday, Friday eleven A.

Speaker 1 (02:03:41):
There is a good main event this weekend, Morales and Burns. Yes,
there is good one good anything.

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
Going on in the box.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
I remember nothing, I'm paying attention to it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
Right, Yeah, you're married. I forgot for Luke Thomas on BC.
We're out of here.

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That's right.

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