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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Oh yeah, you have seen three seventeen week is upon
us International Fight Week. Might as well do a pre
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those are our social handles to follow us. But you
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three eighteen Chuck Mianton Hall by the way of or
three seventeen or eighteen and Chuckmantonhall uncrowned fame and many
other I mean, this guy's like.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Switching the horn. Where is that horn?

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
There it is? I mean I should, I should. There's
no Ballely who for me. You're the one who just
came in from Florida. Man, So I just I just
rolled in on a train.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Chuck. I mean, I'm gonna have to just break into
this right away and say, yes, lots to talk about
UFC three seventeen. God, I want Ilia versus Islam maybe
one day. But there was a major retirement this week
that has set the Internet with fire, and I'd like
to get your take. How will you ultimately remember CHEYENNEV listeners?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Did she retire?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I didn't even Yes, she's going to focus on about
that woo you talk about uh you talk about like
burrying the lead there like I mean you do it
the same week because John Jones, I mean only you.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, it's great, but no one about one of my
favorite fighters. She had a great I hope one day
she falls that bitch home.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, I'm not talking about JP. All right, all right, hey,
it's already awkward you.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
I just look at you and my butt starts itching.
I mean that's what you call.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
That's that would have happened anyway. To be very fair
with you, uh, fired up as always to bring you
an honest Take a preview of Saturday's pay per view Clash.
It's International Fight Week, Hall of Fame. All that happens
with that, but chuck, maybe it goes without saying, but
we expect straight up honesty, maybe a little bit rawness
that we call real talk like men do. Is that

(03:18):
too much task?

Speaker 4 (03:19):
No, I was trying to help you, all right, thank
you for that stuff. With that tagline, I want to
be clear. I think it's the worst thing about HIMK
Like literally from.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
The beginning, from the bunker days, your shirt with that
phrase on them. I mean it sort of was fun once.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Consistency is key. I can't get my love.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
He did it all the way through the more stuff
cancel culture. He was like, let me just keep doing
this stick here.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
HR would call and be like, please fire this oath,
and we'd be like, well, he's you know somewhat.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
We will kick off our breakdown, our analysis, our preview
to get you all kinds of fired up for Saturday's
UFC three seventeen card from Las Vegas to Poria versus
Dough Bronx Uh by getting in on this blanco because
because of course pregame preview only happens because of our
friends over there at Quervo. So Chuck and I are
going to shoot regularly.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I'm not like that guy is no man, I drank
the stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
We're more like blasts. We are straight shooters. Where Luke,
who the last ques Maybe.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's not a word the last Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well maybe I was talking about the former Belator champion.
All right, Juliana, okay, all right, little blanco for me,
little blanco for you. So, Luke, you are drinking what
you called a what has a neck cocktail?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
No, it's like a red neck margarita. But there's a
better term for it. It's like forget what it is,
but basically a red neck Margaritare you go.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
And make sure now? Last episode, last pre blanc. The
blanco is uh is my favorite here of the Quervo,
the smoothest, Luke, without question, We're gonna need another top
We're gonna have to get another bottle of this blanco going.
So we're we're drinking the Quervo tradition oel tequila blanco.
Let's get after it now, Luke, I hope you're not

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going to put that cup through college. I hope you're
going to make a honest effort because last time brons
Standard did a great job sober. But then Luke's like,
you know, I.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Might as well join them.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I mean, you know, sometimes I have health challenges on
the show that I can't talk about. Okay, Okay, so
I couldn't actually drink that.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I love.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
He's getting on you for having a good influence. You know,
I'm sorry to tell you I have aids.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I may not have it. I may not have been
a Day one truther on the on the Toporious story.
You know what I mean in the size of Luke's
extended genitalia whenever he fights, But he might be the
star that UFC that we as journalists and people that
provide for our family need. So this one goes out
to La Leenda himself.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Okay, yes, I'll repo, Yes, I'll repo your car is
what I'll do.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Alsandro bar this one's for Cheyenne.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
All right, that is excellent. A really good stuff needs
a little bit of ice. And you know what, it's
actually past.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Noon this time. Usually were doing this at eleven twelve.
You know, it is tough to drink at eleven am.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I got in the flight this morning. I had a
seven am flight out of Fort Lauderdale. The lady behind me,
they're like, what would you like to drink? You know,
normally what do people say at seven am?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Orange juice? Yes, coffee?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Maybe Blanco?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
She goes, can I get two Bloody Mary's Florida. You're
having a bad day.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I get a steak sandwich and a Bloody Mary and
a steak sandwich, also brought to you by Cuervo. Of course,
now's a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila.
Shout out to that Blanco smooths.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Just puts me in the right mood, all right. They
always take a above earth view of these pay per
view cards. This is I f W. Luke Thomas. I
need a grade on the depth of this card. We
have two title fights atop. We have some very interesting
filler fights, if you will, From Roy val Van to
a few other great ones. What are you great in
the card? Because I've heard I've heard polarized reactions from

(07:02):
people on this one.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I I excuse me. I love this card. Yeah, I
love this card.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
I mean I think if you're really there are some
things you can say about the card that are true.
Does it have a transcendental big star in a huge
stakes matchup? Well not exactly. Tuporius seems like he could
be the next one, but he's really not there yet
despite all the great work he did at featherweight. I

(07:30):
think he could become that with a win on Saturday.
So you don't, you know, you don't have an established
name like a McGregor or you know, John Jones or whoever.
You don't have that that's missing. You can nitpick about
some other fights on the card, but I'm just gonna
tell you, personally, going up and down this card, almost
every single one has something quite good about it, and
some of them are fucking sounds like you want to

(07:52):
I'm gonna give it a minus?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Is it a real I f W A minus? Or
is it a We've trained ourselves to expect to accept
a smaller.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
So what I'm going to say is I'm giving you
that grade. That's it.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm not telling anyone objectively. Oh if I'm doing a
hardcore standard, blah blah blah for me, dude, this fucking car.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I like it. I like the late editions, I like
the personalities. I like a lot of things going on.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
How do you look at this card the same way?
I think that you know Joshua Van, you know, jumping
in in this position after having fought what June seventh,
three weeks later, he jumps in on this card and
this will be his fifth fight, and you'll see since
losing and within like an eleven month span. It's insane.
It's a crazy pace. And you get stories like that
occasionally against the number one guy, Fearless, he's the betting favorite,

(08:39):
he's fearless. He goes in there. I think that that's
such a bang for your buck for that swing about
like that. That's so that you get Peyton Talbot. He
has this cult following.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
He's kicking off things that fight against my underdog all the.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Way up and down this card. Nico Price versus Jacoby Smith, big.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Betting favorite in UFC history. Jacoby Smith might don't.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Get it, but I'm saying I love that fight because
it's an interesting fight. I love the Felipe Lima and
Peyton Talbot fight, even the Araujo Tracy Cortez fight. Like
every fight on there has some kind of redeeming. Well
maybe not the very first fight, but like basically first
fight is Jacoby smith ry guy. Yeah, the guy who
filled in for the guy who had the ankle monitor

(09:22):
mister versus.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, it sounds like a lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
So that one ankle monitor fight. What is going on?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
What happened here? Right?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
You had a lot to say about that. I mean
I had two tweets. I don't say about it, but
it resounded. I think it actually spoke to the matchmakers
in the end. No, no, no, it didn't.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
All right, So we liked this card a lot, without question.
I mean, it could have been islam Ilia, but I
think it is very important on the UFC to build
toward that. More on that to come on the fall
out of this. But let's get right there. At the
top of the card. It is Eliot's Aporia making his
second career appearance at one hundred fifty five pounds. So
previously he had handled and finished Ji Herbert in a

(10:00):
one off, but he gave up the one forty five title,
Islam went north to Welter Waight. There does seem now
that Islam is doing interviews again, like maybe he could
be coming back against Jack Dela Madelena in NYC in November,
so we'll see more on that. But what we have
this Saturday is to Poria facing a thirty five year
old former champion and Charles Olivera who is always going
to be dangerous as shit, the leading UFC finisher submission

(10:24):
expert in the history of the sport, two and two
in his last four but outside of that one sided
title loss to Mahachev, it was a spirited effort against
sar yuki In in a split decision defeat. So first and foremost, Chuck,
is this fight just a flashy coronation to Pouria to
become the tenth two division champion in UFC history and

(10:45):
maybe just maybe launch him into not stardom but super
stardom at a time when the UFC needs it. Or
is this a potential trap fight in waiting because del
Bronx at thirty five still got it, still dangerous anywhere
he goes now.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
I mean, if it's a coronation, they put a minefield
in front of it, because that's Charles Olivera. The guy's
thirty five years old. I was having this discussion recently.
It feels like he should be like forty eight. You know,
the dude has been in the it feels like he's
been in the UFC for so long, which he has.
He's fought a lot of fights. I've not noticed, and
maybe you have more to say about this. I have
not really noticed a like a diminishing return with him yet,

(11:21):
So in my mind, he's still the same guy that
he's been, probably the best version he's been. I think
that him being slept on, he's always carried a bit
of a chip on his shoulder for these types of things.
You can see it coming out already. He's like he's kind,
he's getting angry and being overlooked after all he's done
in the sport.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
There's two dope box moments that let you know that
it's game time. If he utters the phrase that the
champion has a name, whether he's the champion or not,
or if he shows up silver hair Olivera, then you
know he's coming for your girl too. That's what I
need to see. Who shows up at the way.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, So I mean I feel like all the would
you say, like, is it a trap fight? Yes, I
mean if you were if you look at this as
a possible coronation, others putting to Pori in so he
can get the title and we can move along. Very
very dangerous opponent for him to do that against.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Because he thought he was getting Sarayuki in. But I
can understand from a promotional standpoint why you would do
somebody like Olivera. But Luke, I want to specific go
back to you and say, there were comments from Traporia
this week that I felt we're telling He said, Look,
normally it takes me two to three rounds to knock
these guys out because I have to work so hard
on slowly closing the distance to set up my combinations.
He goes, I'm gonna get an Olivera who's gonna come

(12:27):
directly for me. Then when Olivera sat down for the media,
he said, I'm gonna come directly for him. Is it
true that that that there's almost a tailor made element
to Olivera, even though he thrives in chaos, even though
he's dangerous, if he moves his head as little as
he did against Michael Chandler. He's gonna get kaoed. I mean,
it's gonna happen here.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
At the same time, he took Michael Chandler down in
every single round, So that's there's that. I mean, I
think that people are asking, like, what what are we
going to get with Charles OLIVERA. I'm not buying that
he's super diminished. I don't really think that's true. In fact,
I think if you look at some of the mistakes
he made against Islam, he's ironed out some of those
things where he would leave his feet, for example, to

(13:08):
kick does when we do that is the same as much.
But what I do think is true is that people
have gotten better at fighting him. People understand how to
diffuse the bomb a little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
There's a lot of tape on him. There's a lot
of tape.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Okay, is it that or is it that creating chaos
against brawlers who prefer that Gai Chee Chandler poorier. You're
giving them the bait that they want. They'll get into
a reckless fight, and it turns out Charles swims better
in the deeper than anybody else. When she gets reckless.
Is not going to fall for that. He might. I mean,
he's not gonna get succumbed by that pressure.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
I don't, Yes, I don't think he'll get pulled into
a firefight where he's just trading, at least not for
very long. But to answer the central question to me,
I don't think I've seen a ton of diminishing from
ol Lavera. I've just seen the rest of the field
kind of figure out, like I think the star you
can fight to me, which by the way, I had
all of winning that one up and.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Two deep joke attempts, including at the buzzer around that.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
But I mean that's why, I mean it was close.
Something wrong. It's close, like that's not some robbery. But
I did think he edged it out.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
But the point I'm trying to make is so you
can was still able to have effective ground and pound
on him from within the guard and by itself, that's
actually a little bit of a minor miracle. He avoided
significant backtaking. Like he he showed that there are ways
in which you can fight this guy. However, as we know,
Olivier can fight at different ranges in different phases. To me,
that height differential, that size differential, maybe maybe for example,

(14:32):
now to Poria can handle the ground because he can
follow the blueprint to an extent of what's you can do.
At the same time, though, can he follow the same
blueprint in the clinch that Islam used. I have more
doubts about that kind of a thing. So to me,
it's a you know, net net is it a is
it a tailor made fight for for to Poria, I
think he has some advantages.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I would not call it tailor made though. The thing is,
though he's saying he is poised, like I know you're saying,
like will you be drawn into some kind of chaotic moment?
And my my indication would be like and nah, probably
not not based on what we've seen. Like he's a
very measured guy in terms of how it goes about it.
But if you look. You mentioned the Jai Herbert fight
and his last time he was at one fifty five.
He gets clocked like pretty early with a shin to

(15:13):
the chin basically, and he goes down and he comes
back up and what's his first instinct? It was to
wing like he started coming after him and eventually he
got him, like he got him I think in the
second round. But he you wonder what happens if he
just gets clipped early. Does he then throw it all
out and say like, let's do this, you know? Or
how's that going to work? There's some elements to this

(15:35):
that you're not sure with him?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, are you?

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Don fear at all about the idea of power carrying
up because to Pory has been saying, look, I was
really diminishing my body to make the way. He's like,
I could have made it again, but it's not healthy.
I don't want to. He's already talking about the benefits
of moving up. But people have followed McGregor closely. His
power was unreal at forty five. Did it change significantly
at fifty five? You know what I'm saying? Like, did

(15:59):
he he couldn't put away with that one shot? How
do you exped But some people doesn't like in a
way in boxing, it doesn't matter the division because the speed,
the precision, the natural power. Do you expect Topouria at
this weight class to be a constant one punch knockout threat?

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yeah, yes, I think I do. I understand some of
the arguments made about like well what about Connor. Connor
benefited from a lot he did have blinding power at
forty five. At fifty five, I don't know if he
had the same blinding power, but against like Idi Aalvaris,
for example, what else do you notice the timing.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
The precision, It's insane.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
It just elevates the power because it was so good
you know, to me, like you already saw me to
get to jih Herbert look like he fucking cut him
in half the way he hit him. But more to
the point, even it's at forty five, dude, if you
can put Max Holloway's lights out at forty five, yeah, there,
it's very difficult for me to believe that you won't
translate up ten pounds and a guy like Olivera, who

(16:54):
OLIVERA has much better bearing than he once did but
still gets with very big shots, Like even if the
power isn't the same at forty five, do I think
it's going to be enough to give him some serious problems?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah? Do you do you even put in the same
conversation like Alex Pereira, like making that move from one
to eighty five to two of five, because I mean,
if you if you look at that, for instance, it
seemed like he was carrying more.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Power when he went up got more explosive.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, I'm but I'm like, there are examples of guys
who move up and wait and they look like they
their power moves with them. Went to the seventy because
everyone's like, what about the next drip champion? That's a
big question. Yeah, I'd have questions about it.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
He said he expects to fight that one after the rehydration.
He's a big dude.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, you know, I understand it, But I'm saying, like
if he actually went and fought real welterweights, I don't
I would have real questions about his power there.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Chuck, the history of this segment pregame preview, with all
that male talk and all that stuff like that, it's
developed a lot of famous moments, usually the ones that
you'd like to forget, like what now, bitch or Luke
thrown up in the sink after that episode.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
But the greatest, the greatest, most.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Salient thought that ever came out of this show's history
was and you had the guts ahead of Otasyna versus
Poeton to be like maybe it was Poton, but he
says that shit. So I got to ask every day,
So I got to ask you I'm already booking the
future of not just Ilia winning this fight by knockout,

(18:29):
you know, because I think that's going to happen, but
also because I think that would be great for the
sport and the promotion and then calling out Islam and
whether they did that fight soon or they built toward
it for for multi years, like I see a path
for Taporia to become the biggest fighter in this entire sport.
What are we not saying about the Olavera story, because
at thirty five, we never you know, look, we always
thought he was dangerous, We respect him as a fighter.

(18:50):
I never thought he'd be champion. So when he went
on the rock, he went on and beat the names
that he did and just swam in the chaos that
he created. It was remarkable. But to have reigns and
to go through a guy like Topooria with this momentum here, well,
I mean we're talking like, uh up, not maybe top
tier but upper tier guy.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Is there even a you're bringing up a great point?
Is there even an equivalent? Like anybody you can even
think of that has done that?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's type.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I mean, I guess like you could come like Michael
Bisbing would almost be closer just for breaking through at
the end. But he's already been there at Charles Oliver.
But if you look at the scope of his career,
missing weight all those times early on, kind of taking
some bad losses along the way.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
They did your dirty on the yellow.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Oh here we go again.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
No, I just want you to know, Okay, silently no,
very vocal, very vocally demby. But I think that that's
a great discussion because, uh, where does that leave him?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I was talking about this recently. We're so close to
like you followed the sports since he's been in the league,
You've probably followed the sports since been around that time.
It's like he's been through so much. He started from
a place where it wasn't like we never saw a
star coming. He emerged as a star, so we kind
of see him still Charles Oliver, the guy as a
whole first team.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
But some people are correct.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, the Bronx, the Bronx, No, his name is du
Bronx from the But you you wonder if the broader
where I have a son who's fourteen and him and
his buddies know Charles Oliver.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
That's a weird gauge. But when they talk about fighters.
There's only a few of them that they'll collective talk
that's one of them. Maybe he's bigger than I understand
to the broader audience. I don't really know, but I
feel like guys who dialed in, it's it's kind of
remarkable in its own way, but we never see him
as a star.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
But something like this, when he says broader audience, you
think he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Chicks, chicks, kids, people don't watch the sport.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
One makes a good point. This guy's in this fight
over Sarruki, and because of that fact, because he moves product,
people love him. He's one of he gets the one
of the biggest pops. Like.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
It's bizarre though, right Like, I feel like if he did.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
This, not only is nobody really plotting a path for
victory in this fight, I don't think anyone's talking about
what that would do to him.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
To add on, I thought about it a little bit.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
I mean, someone asked me a question if you had
to have and it's gonna sound like a weird compliment,
but just follow me for a moment.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Someone was asking me, if you had to.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Have a a tournament of all lightweights in their prime,
who would be in the final four, and the answer
is clearly Habib Islam and BJ Penn. But that fourth
slot is actually a little hard to tell. It's really
not clear. But you could put McGregor in there. Potentially,
you could put you know a lot of well, I'm
just saying like in his prime, in his in his prime,

(21:27):
at his peak, could you see a world where he
could have been in there shore But to me, it's
like Olavera's kind of hang on the outside to lose
the title, as you indicated, to come back and then
to beat like the next big superstar presumed next big superstar.
I mean, it would put him clearly in that kind
of space. It would make, it would solidify him as like,
you know, one of these enduring champions with an enduring
lightweight legacy against.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
And again none of those guys.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Penn had ups and downs kind of but it was
like a different higher weight classes. It was actually when
he dialed in, everything kind of came together. But he
had all this ability and he had beaten he was
he was a one to seventy chap.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Before he was a fifty five.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Cham Olavera had all these fuck ups at forty five
and then steps up to fifty five and then discovers himself.
His path to being in that place would be the
most unusual on all of them, I.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Ask you, guys, or not as unusual as Juliana Panya,
But I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
For the lightweights the sides. If like UFC kind of
has to want to pour you here, right because you
would now have a potential back.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
It's like, because we're talking about OLIVERA and we're talking
about like, well, that would be really interesting for those guys,
you know, but that's so small compared to what he represents,
especially in terms of a broadcast, you know, the whole
broadcast deal.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Things being worked out. They give be a star, right,
They need these guys to be They need some guys
who are gonna be like that click in.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
This topic McGregor not walking through that door. John Jones
retired on O'Malley has lost twice in a row to
the same guy. I know that there's potential for someone
like DDP to continue to climb, but out of Sonya
going down, like all the people that we relied upon,
this is the star we need in this exact moment.
That's gotta be a high, a high ranking narration heading
into this.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Card, What do you think about that? And he's English
speaking too, yeah, I mean and Spanish and yeah again,
but I'm talking about that.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
I'm talking about the North American market, which obviously has
some spanis speaking audience. But I mean somebody who he's
not American, but he can at least, you know, Josialda
was to a degree held back in his career by
his lack of language proficiency. To a degree Anderson Silva was,
but he picked up English late and I do think
that made a difference towards the end.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
It does. I don't.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
I'm not one of these guys, is like they got
to speak Anglish. No, but if they do, some benefits
are conferred. But there's simply no denying. Do the UFC
absolutely what's a engauge?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know? But whenever you see Taporia is actually speaking
in public or he's doing an interview, there's something that happens, right,
You're like, oh, what's he saying? What is that? That's
always a weird thing. Like there are tons of guys
who are, you know, very good fighters. They'll do interviews
you don't even pay any attention, But like, somehow he
compels it. It might even be the scarcity. He doesn't
do a.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Lot of media well in the States. In the States
and in Spain he has a press conference.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
They say that the promotion that he now runs, wow,
or whatever, he gave his own promotion. I'm sorry, he
gave his own press at the damn p I recently
that you know.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
The other part like to pour.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
With any everything he does where he remember he changed
that he was on his UFC Sorry it is on
his Instagram by are now taking a picture with the
two two belts, or or he always assumes that I'm
going to act like a superstar.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I'm going to name myself the huge right he I'm
gonna have step He sees the rank and file have
their own press day. I have my own press day.
You know what I mean? Like he leans understated though
and how he talks, but it's in his actions that
feed this meeting.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
This is what I mean. Like he's got all of
the making. He has to cross the finish line. But
if you're the UFC, you're looking at this and you're thinking,
not only does he believe it, he's acting like it.
We just have to get him over that hump. It's
a big hump, but I can see why they.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Would meets both Briteria. He's legitimately famous and dangerous, and
as we mentioned, it might be the perfect type of
setup for Topori to do exactly what he does and
look as great as possible. But it didn't have to
be Olivera. You could argue it should have been armand Sarukian,
who did defeat by split decision Charles Olivera when they met,

(25:16):
but then had to pull out of his title opportunity
against Islam Mahachev at the last minute. Didn't seem to
make Dana White very happy with that. So Saryukian's going
to be the backup for this main event. But there's
been some back and forth, in fact, so much so
that it's time to welcome in a little bit of
shots fire, question Shots fired, of course, presented by Quervo,

(25:43):
And now's a good time to enjoy the tequila that
invented tequila. Yeah, I'm talking about Quervo. Here is armand
Sariuki and the response. Sorry, first see the response I
believe from Toporio. Let's get into this here. The backup
fighter for this one is going to San right or
that's a.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Bad decision for him. I don't know why he accepted,
because you can't come here as a backup fighter. I
don't know how long did did he train for this fight.
But if something happened to to anyone, even even to me,
I think that there's no possibility that something could happen

(26:26):
with me. But who knows. No one knows what's going
to happen tomorrow. Even with Charles, he was struggle a lot,
and with me, there's like he has no chances, no chances,
like first round, first minutes of the fight. What he's
gonna do, go for the takedowns.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's it's okay, that's so. That was the videos.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Fucking confidence, That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's here's more ruthless Spanish. By the way, when they
show that it's even it's as cold as that is.
It's much hard. Sorry. You can response on the code
tweet is you better pray nothing happens to Charles because
I'm the worst possible matchup for you in this division.
There's a reason you're fighting the guy already beat and
not me. For that bell, He's not wrong, Chicken of
the egg. There was it that tweet that set up

(27:11):
those comments from Taporio.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
We have no no no. I think the sour Yukin
comments came after.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Okay, well that was shots filed this week, brought to
you by Cuervo. I was still surprised to see Toporia
as a pretty damn big favorite. In fact, Long Island
Luke are our fourth member of our teams. They our producer,
director and long enthusiasts soon to be single Wow Long
could you tell us the DraftKings odds currently on this
man evment.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
We got minus four fifty five il plus three fifty Charles.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay, it seems excess.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
It seems excessing. What would it have been though, if
it was Tarukian against.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's in the hundreds because he is that, Like, what
would it be?

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, it's still favor Ilia, but it would be close
minus one fifty.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, but it's great, is it? People are like, well,
the UFC is just feed them a guy they think
he can beat. They're already setting the table for the
most dangerous guy. He's not afraid of him, like they're
already setting it up. It's it's one of those things
like if he does get through Charles, you now you're
gonna have now you're gonna find out, right, I feel
like that. That's fun to me.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
It's like when we get to these like because everyone's
accused Islam of ducking and you know, all this kind
of shit. To me, I'm just gonna I want to
say I want to say it for this purpose of
the show. Everyone's got a slightly definition, slightly different definition
of ducking. But to me, if if you're Canelo and
you skip out on David Benavidez to go fight Bival,
I will I will let that go. That to me,
that's not ducking because yeah, you're not fighting the guy

(28:35):
you're supposed to be fighting, but you're fighting fucking beast.
So I just want to put it out here for
people to be like, oh, this guy, this guy, this guy. No,
if Islam is going up a fucking weight class to
fight the champion, I'm gonna let it slip.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I'm with you. I'm with you ultimately on that. But
you're right if Jporia does do this, if a first
title defense comes, good, sorry, you can do that central billing.
That's a sexy ass fight, that's a dangerous fight.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And a champion, fantastic or guy in his position is
to just treat all everybody like they're the ones trying
to catch you already, right, and you just treat them
all the same with equal disregard. I think when they
do that silver here, I know I love that though,
there's something that's just like you guys are all coming
from me. I'll fight all of you. I love that,
you know I do. I do too.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
But here's the deal. To Poria likes to call a shot.
He likes to He's kind of following a Connor playbook,
maybe not as directly as shamelessly as Ian Gary does sometimes,
which is more for him like tribute to Connor, but
like he's followed from the chess tat to the ways
that he moves. He's claiming he's I believe he's gonna
call out Islam if he wins. But he's claiming that
he would prefer we played the sound on the last episode.

(29:39):
He would prefer Paddy next, but he needs Patty to
go through Justin Gaetchee first, and his goal would be
going to go from Paddy and then directly to welterweight
if Islam wins the championship and make that.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Fight also Getchi doesn't want that fight, do.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You think that if Taporia wins, the UFC would give
him that Patty fight, knowing that's the perfect time to
get the most out of Patty's commercial value.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
You I've been saying they should do this anyway, because
I mean, this makes more sense. But like Patty has
put together the resume. We used to scoff at this.
I remember you. You were the one who was like,
if they put these guys together, yeah, we're gonna have
to have like some you know, I was several years ago.
I know, I know, I know at the time it

(30:20):
was very true. He has actually held his own and
gotten through the guys, and so I'm like, at this point,
I'm like, man, make that fight. First of all, I
think that Paddy Pimblet would bring like you always kind
of need a foil. Who's going to bring out something
more from that from that guy that's still somewhat mysterious.
I feel like that happens.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's pro wrestling booking. But like and sorry, you can's
got to wait and fight somebody else. Like it's good.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I don't seem like they're in a hurry to somebody.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Should get special booking. I agree it should be somebody,
Like if he.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Does this or you should be next?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
But does he do it? Let's let's let's get as
as we prepare our predictions here, can we get into
this a little bit more? Can we get a little
deeper in the into the cuervo here? This one would
be called the crystalline know the quer vout tradition on now.
I think that translates directly in space.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Second half of these shows is always a blur to.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Large bald But this is this is great, Chuck. I
would love to start with you as the visitor. You know,
but this is your home away from home in a
lot of ways.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
He doesn't know how to pour a shot. It blows
my mind.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean, at least at least I drink them. And
so h dude, you're a bitch.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
No one thinks you're cool for drinking. I will take
some of that.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I mean, how's your mountain going over there?

Speaker 4 (31:29):
I'm sorry, I like to drink refined cocktails.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Remember the last episode he took like like a little nibble.
He was like, yeah, my stomach hurts.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
And we're done with that blood? Is that all right?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I wanted an entertainment partner. Luckily, you guys wanted to
know Luckily, bron I always miss like.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
The ones when you're shitting blood and things like that,
So I am you miss that? It's every other week.
I did see him puke in the sink. Let's start
with you.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
How does this main event end on Saturday? What are
we looking at here?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I think that I think that Worria catches him early
and that's going to be a quick fight. That's the
way I see this happening. I just think that he's
the type of guy who you put the spotlight on
him in the big moment. I think that he shines.
I think he goes in there, he catches him, like basically,
he thinks that Charles is gonna come out him. He
knows exactly what's gonna happen. He catches him. It's an

(32:18):
somewhere in the first round knockout.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
On you, crazy Diamond. You know you know what it
makes me want to do it? It makes me want to
get serious for a second ago.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
You now, baby, can you believe believe these.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Two fucking bos we're gonna have a friendship moment here?

Speaker 1 (32:40):
They want other people about masculinity's unbelievable right to give.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
You.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's the band that takes her and blowing each other
on stage after their shows.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Kyle Barrajoy Corporal, come on, let's go, let's go baby.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
I like how you went from Kyle Bihalio to Laverne
in Shirley.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
That was they watched you four more out on the
floor and you fucking this carpet is stick.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
We haven't talked about one. They tell you what the.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Who gave me a little work flair? If you know,
have to ship my pants now?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
If there is something you didn't bring up that actually
would like to have a bit of a discussion because
I looked into this and I don't know what the
answer is, but I'll be curious to get your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You too long, isid? Look here? In just a second,
someone has.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Brought up I've seen a lot of people have brought
it up on social media that hey, if Ilia wins,
particularly by stoppage, is that the best three fight win
streak said that to Mike Bone.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
He's not the only so I've looked.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
I looked at like all the greats records, it might be.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Okay, three fight Vulk was the champion in pun pound top.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
And has never lost.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
No he had lost to at that Wait, so I'm
saying I think his pound for pound spot slipped a little,
but still like top three. Holloway was top ten at
that point, and now you've got Olvera, who it is
dangerous as ship. Well, we've all compared to the calendar twers,
but any three fights in succession we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yes, So I looked at Fador's record.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Fador's got a bunch of good twos and then like
some scrub uh Demetrius. I don't think has anyone on
enough on the level. Saint Pierre had a couple of
good twos, but not.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
So much threes.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
But the reason why this is John Jones is the
closest to me because John Jones.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Has fourign or what about Anderson, I've just I know
that I.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Didn't see anything that Again, there's he has a couple
of you can kind of remember all the fights, and
you know, John Jones is interesting because he has I
think Rampage and Evans and Machida and like another one.
He is like four in a row where they were
all former.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Chap calendar year that two thousand.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
He won four in a year and he beat all
former champions. The point I wanted to make was to
Poria is now going up and wait, I can't find
anybody who polished off two former champions then went up
a weight and then the.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Four. You can literally it sounds like perbole. It genuinely
might be the guys like you think about b J
Penn and what you see ninety four winning went up
and fought GSP and he might have been able to.
I don't remember exactly where he was at, but he'd
just taken out was that right before that? Anyway he
would he was winning his fights. He went up and
fought GSP, but then he gets handled there, right, But

(35:24):
that would have been the moment you might have had
a competition there. Yeah, but he didn't get it done.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Fororier stopping Justin Gaichee, then Eddie Alvarez and then beating
Max Holloway for the interim title UFC two thirty.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
I mean that's close, but that's not as good, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Or Pour out lasting Hooker and then's Connor.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Toys there we go.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Not as good, but an honorable mention. What about Connor's run?
You got Chad Mendez, Jose Aldo, Eddie Alvarez, No, No, no, that's.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Not in succession, dude.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
The ones in between. That's the issue. Yeah, yeah, that's
the issue. Yeah, I mean yes, if it was those
three they were.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I mean, look, when you get when Max Holloway has
back to back stoppages of Jose Aldough, I'm sure we
can book in to either other win Habiba. His last
three was against two, right, he.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Never had Yeah, but again up and weight, sure, up
and weight. That's the that's your difference for me is
the up and weight.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
To Pouria second round stoppage.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm thinking fourth. Actually, yeah, I think it was one.
My goal a little bit.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
The over under is at two and a half, I think,
is that right? I'm sorry, I think under under that
dude under?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, no, I'll take the over. I think that.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
I think Taporia does finish him off. But Charles is
crafty and.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
He doesn't move his head enough.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Luke, you know that he doesn't, but he has successful
a reason.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
All right, let's get into this co main event. The
flyweight title will be at stake, and what a run.
Alexandre Pantosia has put together three title defenses, and even
though shoes, he went life and death with Brandon Moreno
to win the title, and that blood and guts war
with the incredible deep father comments afterwards he has been
efficient since then, getting better climbing the pomp for pound ringks,
getting in the best shape of his life, and seeming

(36:55):
as in his mid thirties, smart and dangerous as we've
ever seen him in his entire career. He is entering
against a Kai car France, and remember Etoji's record against
the top ten entering this calendar year was nine to
zero combined, so they need another opponent. Kai Carra, though,
has lost two of his last three, despite his most
recent fight, which was a first round stoppage of Steve Ersag.

(37:19):
What are we looking at here, Luke Thomas, in terms
of the biggest thing to look for, the biggest storyline,
the biggest element when Alexandre Pantojia welcomes Kai.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Carr Franz man, First of all, he didn't even mention
the fact that, in addition to the losses, he had
a real bad concussion. Yeah, that sat him out for
a fairly long period of time. In fact, he missed.
This should have happened maybe a little bit sooner than
it did. I think Car Carr Franz I like this fight.
I think you know, if you're the champion, you have
to defend against the deserving guys.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
He's a deserving guy.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
But more than that, he has an interesting challenge. There's
a ton of tape on Pantojia at this point, which
I'm you know, you got a guy who trained at CKB.
They're going to have him probably well prepared. Dude, fucking
Pantojia has just absolutely blown past every limit any one
of us has to put one on him.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
He's like secretly entering all time great British not British,
Brazilian pantheon MMA like champion level.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Like he's getting. He's getting, dude. First of all, shouts
to Venom. I haven't loved all of the custom fight shorts,
but they made custom fight schworts for him. Number one,
he deserves it. Number two, they're fucking great. Didn't see
him no, so they took basically Japanese traditional tattoo styling
and made it basically shorts.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's fucking awesome. Number one. Number two.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
I keep thinking this dude is shop worn, and I
keep waiting for him to fall off and just collapse
like a Jaloppi and some you know, in some middle
of the road nowhere.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
He got better he got, he got better.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
He can strike, He's not i mean not afraid of
danger even a little bit. His game from the back
is actually super advanced that Kesoto Hook used to pull
kioskerl off and then take the back of vision and
sud Dude, he's at the point now is he close
to what DJ did?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (39:03):
But that we even have to ask that, Yeah, is
fucking remarkable.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Dide you see similarities, Like it's crazy what you're saying,
and almost it almost parallels the guy that people want
to pair him with, which is Morob, right, yeah, because
Morob lost early, Yes, but then Morob started to like
just build his the machine thing. And if you watch
him fight his pace, the pace he starts to put on,
and it's not just that's the level changing. It's like
he comes up here and then he's on your legs,
he's on your hips, he's trying to put you down,

(39:28):
or he does the thing you're mentioning in the back
we get your back.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
He's on little party where it's like that little that
little ex hell he's in there tucking one in your ribs,
or he's coming you know what I mean, Like he's
just always always brings He's a definition.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Of that term they use in boxing, or that phrase
that that when you become champion, you become thirty percent
better automatically.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
He's like he might be. He's got something deeper going on.
He is, he's rabby. It's like he advanced a level
within himself. I don't know what it is. You remember
the dad dad thing, but I feel like that something
came off of his chest and now he's like it's realized.
Like you said, as talk about who realizing their potential, this
is a guy who's realized his potential in real time.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Dude, I love it. And maybe I'm going too far
with this, but if they let mister Wideman come to
every Pantosia fight, so after he wins, he could be
like Alexandre Pantosia would still be my son, you know,
the kind of all right, So it is interesting this
week you mentioned.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think it's your no cell that makes me laugh.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Heytosha did say this week he has imagined he is
not looking to move on. He does not want to
do the two division champion thing, which is kind of
refreshing to hear because everybody seems to want to do
it instantly. He mentioned that, you know, the the Josh
Van Reval winner. Obviously, menel cop still out there. There's
a few fights you can make. Bring back Mohaive, bring back.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah Chuck.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Here's the deal though, these two did fight way back
in the day and the Ultimate Fighter Kaikar France lost
a decision through two rounds. But when you package that
with the reality that Kaikr France has been stopped by
both Elite Brandons, when he's moved up to that level
Moreno and and he has two losses to Moreno, does
this tell you the outcome without telling you were.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Kind of because I feel like with kay Car France,
what's his don't blink? Is that his uh? His?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I know about him.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
He's just this yeah right, I mean, and he has
We saw him the Garbrant fire. I remember very specifically.
He looked like a maestro on the feet, you know,
like he can do this stuff. But I just don't
think having a game where you're like, I'm gonna try
to melt you at some point in this fight, is
is going to get it done? You know what do
we got? Now? It's not shocking, It's not like the

(41:36):
mid teens.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
Uh, just compare that common to what Bronsa told you
he was a varsity star and you were like, no,
you weren't.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Like, dude, I went to public high school in America.
There's no way you played. Its not possible.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
So uh Osa crou is that the guy, the last
guy like Osacra, Like he came in there was do
all kinds of speeding and all kinds of fancy knees,
flying knees, knees oller it just like you're you're coming
in there with like an esthetic or you're coming in
there with this kind of idea, and he goes right
through it. That's what I see. I guess izz is
he's a buzzsaw.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
But so long Island. Look you are an intentive better.
I feel like Pantoja by Stoppage is the bet that
everybody's going to end up on if you're looking for
a little bit of value. Are we counting out KKF
too easily? Too flippantly here?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
I think you're counting out KKF. I don't know if
he's gonna win. I do see this one going a
little long. I took the over one and a half
in a parlay, but honestly, prediction wise, KKF round four, Wow, that's.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
A bold prediction.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I mean, on the one hand, I don't think that
that's crazy because we keep remarking like how great Pantoja
does and he does.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Will end well. So he's fucking reckless.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Like in any other division, if you fight that way,
for the most part, you get wrecked.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
That's true. That's trye. I mentioned the flying knee. The
first flying knee was this close. Yes, it was this
close to being an ask situation.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
I can imagine him, and I'm not in any way
try to undermine like the spirit of what Long Island
Lucas saying. But I could imagine a world war. In fact,
KKF does stop him, they do a rematch and Panoji
gets it right back. But like just the point I'm
trying to make is you fight in a reckless manner
in that way, or just even reckless per se, just
aggressively fucking feral in the way that he is. You're

(43:21):
running risk there against the guys that you otherwise might be.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I feel like Mom got accused of that a little
bit too, Like it was like he was coming and
that he would get hit. You know, his defense so
much better, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Dude, I think panto is going to try to make
a statement on the feet too. I think he's going
to try to stop him punching here.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I love moreno stopped k on the feet.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I think that's what happens here. And I respect KKF
and I've been wanting him to finally get his opportunity
because I felt he has been title material from the
beginning coming out of C K B. Would he has
had a certain amount of hiccups that tell you is
his record who he says he is Bill Parcells? Or
is would you you wouldn't? Would yes or no? Would
you be shocked if he walked out with the title
not shockedcked? She takes a lot to shock you.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
No, I mean he just he does have I think
you know, he had the Garb Brant and who wilse
he smoke the right one of them, Like he's beat
a couple of guys, and he's definitely got that kind
of power. Like so if if it's a reckless thing,
it could happen. But I'd be slightly surprised, you know,
because I think that it's like it's like when I
used to talk to Ben Asker and when he was

(44:22):
saying he was like if I fight that guy. Ninety
nine times out of one hundred, I'm beating him. He
caught me on the one. Masvidal, He's like, I'm beating
him ninety nine times one hundred. He just happened to
land the one thing boom.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I was going, that's not crazy when we talked about this,
when Sarah beat GSP, I mean that can happen, you know, But.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Is that true about his lung transplant? You know? Man,
I I haven't been in complete touch with him, but
trying to stay in touch with him, and it's he's
waiting for a long transplant. That's the what we know. Yeah,
it's a it's a kind of grim situation. So prayers
up for that guy. Man life is unpredictable.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Uh, his family for sure staying in this flyweight division though,
Damn do I love this fight Joshua van On three
weeks notice at age twenty three, twenty four, I mean way,
it's so damn early. He's had eight UFC fights in
less than two years.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Phone cover and five.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a Jimmy he Boldest Love.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, it's his second album.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, it's fantastic that it's like my space that watched No,
that's off of the greatest rock album Joel three called
Electrically Joel Double Album.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
That's Joe's on the debut. Are you experienced? I know
the song the.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Second Exell loves his Dylan album. He was very much
in all right enough.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
It's not better than Cannibal Corps is encased in concrete.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Cannibal Corpse. Yeah, that's fantastic there, Joshua Van.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
They play at every show.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
The Bermese slugger, fresh off of the stoppage three weeks
ago of flyweight Bruno Silva not the blind middleweight because
of Wideman. We are looking like a future title contender.
But he's ranked number twelve and on three weeks notice
he's gonna fight yet again against number one raw Dog
Brandon Royval the raw Dog friend of the program.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I also hate Colorado, friend what I also hate condoms? Yeah?
Okased it though, but that's all.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Right, the raw Dog has said this week if someone
asked me if I thought, what would my nickname be,
and it's I hate condoms?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Well, very similar the your Kindred Spirit look Thomas.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
The raw Dogs waiting to get the Menel Cop fight
pulled out. Now now Manel Cop broke his foot, so
that's what opened the door for Van. But this week
raw Dog, very emotional, basically said, look, I'm the most
underestimated or what would he say? What it's say not
not overrated. I'm the most overlooked fighter in the UFC.

(46:43):
That the respect factor. He says, he's the underdog in
every single big fight, including the Tyro fight. He basically
can't remember the last time he was a betting favorite,
and against this twenty three year old kid who looks
great bounce back from the first round knockout lost to
Charles Johnson is four no sense coming off of a
big stoppage. But they're there's levels to this game. And
Brandon Royvill, last time I checked, has only lost in

(47:04):
the UFC to Pantosia and Moreno, and he avenged the
Moreno lost by split decision. I think he learned from
the title loss to Pantosia. I think he's coming in
here at plus money. I agree with him. It's freaking ridiculous, Luke.
Is it just that Van is that great and Vegas
is all in? What are we looking at here?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
I mean, this is a weird one because I like
Van a lot. I respect him a lot, but I
I it's not going to afford to take the risk
he can afford to take whisper yes and no, yes
and no.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I know what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
But on the one hand, it's not fatal if he
loses in any way, Dude, rand Roival is a fucking
number one contender. Josh Van is not even supposed to
be in this fight. He's name is supposed to be
on this card. He's supposed to be doing something else
at the apex. I mean, this is this is I'm
not as an insult, no, developmentally that quick, but but
you know, the fates are are.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Pushing him in this direction.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
I I don't I love the fact that he's getting
a lot of experience. I don't love the fact that
he's not taking time to really work on his game. Now,
a lot of fighters would be like, oh, I would
love to do what he's doing, in part because you
just get paychecks more often if you just compete like that.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
And he, for the most part, he fucking won here, Darling,
at least for this exactly.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I love his game, I love his attitude, I love
his work rate, I love his and he has, by
the way, showing some obvious improvement just in the short
amount of time he's been here. But I wouldn't have
recommended this in a perfect world that he take this fight,
even if he does win it. I mean that's the
problem to me, right, It's like, even if you beat
Roybolle for whatever reason, now you might be the number

(48:35):
one contender, let me fucking assure you you're definitely not
ready to be that guy.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I remember. It reminds me of when Anthony Joshua and
boxing stumbled into a title shot that he really wasn't
ready for. But there was a week champion and Charles
Martin as in, like the opportunity afforded itself, and he
just took it one by a knockout and we're off.
Sometimes in life you get those opportunities. I'm not really
here to debate whether Van should have took it or that,
whether you know, I think it's exciting. I think it's
exciting tip.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
To Roy Bowl because like he's accepting sure, the same
thing he's accepting an opponent switch right, like to come
in there.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
He's desperate to get a title shot though, So I
don't think there's two ways to play the title shot.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Want us to be like, oh, I'm sitting on a
title shot. I'm not going to take a.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Fire and the other the other one not guaranteed that
shit exactly because theready lost twice I know. So he
is in a position like, you know what, I'm gonna
do whatever the fuck I can to make them happy
so that I can get back to the top.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
This would be the best time to fight a Josh
Van when even though he's been on fire three weeks,
turn around, he fights all the damn time. He's always
in camp and the experienced level. Look, Bruno Silva is
a good win and the manner in which he did
was great. No one on that resume close to Brandon Royval.
So at thirty two, your fellow Colorodian.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, sure, that's how he pronounce it.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
What would you say to those odds makers?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I know that I love the Colorado.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
The line has moved a little bit like that. But dude,
this is a This is a three round fight, correct,
not a five round fight.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
This is three rounds.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Okay, you would wonder if a five round could benefit Royval.
But as you look at this match up, do you
what are you thinking? Because I'm thinking raw. Doug's about
the show people what's up.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well, I mean that's a big I think that that's
more likely. Like we're just talking about this is a
guy who's accelerated, you know, and Joshua Van accelerated because
he lost last July, and we were like, wow, he's
still very rise twenty two. He's going to have to
learn some stuff and he has one fore in a
row and I was fighting on three weeks notice or
three weeks after fighting. This is a lot. If he

(50:26):
goes in there, it would be hard to understate how
big of a deal that would be for him to
just skyrocket into that shot.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
Now.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Would he be ready? Probably not, But I'm just saying
that would be a ridiculous trajectory from losing last July
to being at the end of June this year as
a title consenter. But I'm sort of with you, man,
I feel like there are these guys and we never
see the thing we're talking about with josh Man, we
almost never see because there is that guy standing his
way who was like chafe the wrong way. He's been mistreated,

(50:55):
he feels carries the chip on shoulder, and he is
willing to die in this situation. And that's kind of
the way I see that Roy I mean, you're seeing.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
A Royvall by submission. I can see it in your eyes.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
You're seeing that I picked Van. But uh, that's a
momentum pick. You know, you're like saying, well, he's got
a those moments coming. He's young. But it doesn't matter
if you really look at the way the USC plays out.
Usually that guy doesn't win this fight. You know, you
don't get that sort.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Usually the short notice turnaround guy doesn't win the fight either,
and this is extreme short notice turnaround. Lke, what are
you weigh in on this? You love Van, but I
mean you've been you even have been underlooking and underrating
roy Vall at times. Would you please give the man
the bouquet and predict him to win here?

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Well, I don't know what's the fucking thing, to be
honest with you, I mean, the reality is, what.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Are the odds? What are the odds on this one?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
So it's a pick him right now minus one oh
five minus one fifteen.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Points a coin flip guy here.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I mean, I think though it's obviously somewhat strucker grappler
right to a degree, but Royal has been in there
slugging it out with guys better than josh Van, way
more experience.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
His distance management vall and is totally on the elite level.
I mean, I don't know if it's going to.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Have a little strong Okay, I think he is. I
think he is at worst a competent striker, and I
think more than that, I think he's a good one.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
He moves elite.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Is a little is a little much for me.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Well okay, I mean he's got elite skills for this division.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
No good, but I think he's elite is He's got
instant jiu jitsu, right. These guys who can find something
like that, they've got a good clam. They could be underneath,
they can invert, they can find the back instantly. He's
got that and josh Van definitely has never fought a
guy like that. To me, it's like royal should win.

(52:37):
I just don't know if he will.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I don't know. It's a weird one for me. It is,
especially at twenty three. Guys feel they're invincible, even even
though he has that loss. You just said, you're twenty three, man,
You're like you're ready, you know, you're ready to roll die.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Oh yeah, at twenty three you're like I know, you
know what you're like, I'll never be in a car
act I know, right, Yeah, you're just like you'll never
get her, Yeah, never get aids.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Okay, wow, I mean I haven't heard that one. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
He's I just don't believe in a it's not real.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Also on this main card, kind of a crossroads ish
lightweight tilt, but these guys are a lot closer in age,
even if they're not that close and momentum. When thirty
six year old Benil deer re Use, fresh off of
consecutive knockout losses in elite matchups, goes against a thirty
five year old Hanao Moikano, who had his incredible upset
fueld run to become the money man spoiled when he

(53:29):
got the last second title shot against Islam mah Chev
and was handled in very quick fashion. Looking to come
back from that, the odds are very close in this one,
although you have had Moi Kano as the favorite. I
think that makes sense. Is this a serious a situation
where you think Benny can prove that he's still around,
he still matters here because he seems like a sneaky underdog.

(53:51):
Payh plus money.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
And if I think you'd have to look at this,
I think that they are both thirty six and born
fifteen days apart, Like they've been on the earth exact
same amount. Which is crazy is I always look at Drey.
Maybe it's the gray in his hair and stuff like that,
but I always think that, like he's like forty and
you know, but I do think again, this is an
unsung guy, a guy who's had a crazy career, like
a very very successful career. At one point he won

(54:13):
like a bunch of fights in row. I don't even
know how many it was, but I feel like he
still has that one left last charge in him where
he's like, I want to I want to be able
to do this. I don't. I don't scare behind him
pretty quick. Yeah, but uh, but should we learn.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Something from the last two stoppage losses.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
I mean, there were big fighters. It's not like he's
going against it's not like he's losing the middle of
the pack. And I feel like this is his step
down moment if he can't get by moy Conor. And
I'm not saying I'm not trying to diminish Moycano because
Mons had a big run too, until he ran into
he was fighting over his head, right.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
He.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Had a brain bleed scare.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I don't believe I'm making that up Long Island. Look,
that's a correct scare that I don't believe that's right.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I think he might be thinking of Vicente Lucas.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Oh maybe it's that's why. I was like, he said,
I just do that, But I was looking at it
like you said it, and I was like, I was like,
did I not do my homework?

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I'm not. It's it's probably the tequila here, but apology.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I thought it was one more more reader for you,
But you're going to be on the floor.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
We should have introduced him and looked this up before
I get sued him misdiagnosing people, All right, Luke, when
you look at this matchup, is it as simple to
say that the ground game could cancel each other.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Outrush is better everywhere, Doryush is better everywhere.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Now he is.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Longer in the tooth in the sense of having I
think more miles on him. I think that's It was
true that moy Kano took some abuse at forty five
before he mat real.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Quick, real quick. His coach said he took a long
absence due to repeated head trauma.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
But that's not the same thing as having a brain believe.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Okay, but I think that's probably all right.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I apologize if I confuse the LUK diagnosis there, but
there was question for a while for sure.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Okay, fair enough, Yeah, anyway, Darkush is better everywhere.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
He had bet he remembered before he got an m
m A.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
He was a high high level belt in professional jiu jitsu,
And to me is, you know, has we talk about
guys who fight recklessly? He's got little of that pantoja
And when it comes down to strike, he was one
of the only guys Dude sar Yukian could not get
Gamrot off of him when they were hit. Derry Usch
had no fucking problem with it. Yeah, hand he's a

(56:18):
physical dude there. Derry Yusch is better everywhere. The question
is what kind of physical state.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Is he in.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Remember Morkano's shoulder is still a little I.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Think a guy like Makana who can get hot and
suddenly he's a title contender, and in this case he
fought for the title. I always look to see what
happens next if they get humbled in the loss Cormier
that type of thing. I was like, Okay, we'll probably
never see him at this level again, even though he
did get ultimately get an interim title opportunity. I wonder
if Moikano's not fighting for I'm sorry, dry use, not

(56:49):
fighting for his job per se, but he's fighting to
protect the elite sort of you know tag that he
brings in with him. I wonder if it's the right
motivation at the right time. Is way Connor's going to
be as fired up now that he has made.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
That's the thing I wonder too. I mean what you
just stated, because he you feel like a guy like
ma Conno, like somehow he burst on the scene. He
was almost like Masvidal or something like that, where it's
like he's been in the league a long time, he's
been in m a long time. Nobody's really paying too
close of attention until one moment. This guy's kind of
a character and he's winning fights and then all of
a sudden you see him on his terms.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
It was that he took when he took a beat
in yeah, but like.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
And then beating uh s denis right, like the not
who he beat like he beat that. It was like
he's supposed to get smoke him, Yeah, but he ends
up with I mean, these things were like they kind
of turned to stand. But you're like, did he blow
his wad in this situation? You know? I mean that?
I mean seriously, I'm like that the whole the way
that played out was that kind of what we get
from Wakna, Like that whole situation getting that thing.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, that's what I never again because the motivation. It's
like Pearl Jim can never write ten over again because
it's never going to be You're not going to be
able to do You're not going to have that feeling again.
You know what I'm saying, Luke.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
It's another year. I won't listen to that.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
What are you feeling with this? Have you consumed?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Don't you? You?

Speaker 5 (58:02):
You?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Probably you have pissed yourself at a Rusted Root concert?
Who are you? I don't even know who that is.
You don't don't, don't, don't be doing.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I have been to a collective concert nineties.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
He's seen ever player.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Yeah, but hold on, did you see collective soul in
the nineties or did you see collective soul in this.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
The County for twenty nineteen? Well, I mean, you're just
you're just the worst. I mean a casino.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's where they should be.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Boikano has an incredible personality. But Boikano has an incredible
personality and I think is such a very charming character.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, and he does have considerable skills too, early.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Crypto guy too. You gotta give him that.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
I don't know if that's credit or not, but but
but certainly, you know, he's a very interesting guy as
a personality. I guess the thing I would say though,
is they are usual quiet and you know, he's sort
of a family guy, and but he is just vastly,
in my judgment, more skilled.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I really believe that much.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Stronger brand than I've given them credit for. So there
you go, right there.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
And it was and it was always at least three
fights away from a title shot somehow, even th when
he was on like a nine fight win streak.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I'll tell you what, it's plus money. If this fight
goes the distance I think it does. I think then
he's going to put up an opposition and we go
to that final, we go to the judges. So if
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one seven card our opener to the pay per view

(01:00:53):
that was bumped up after a fight fell off will
bring a plus money. Twenty six year old Payton Talbot
coming off of his first defeat after three consecutive finishes
to open his red hot UFC career when he somewhat
imploded if you will against thirty seven year old veteran
Hyoni Barcelos, who was already on a run and continued

(01:01:14):
it afterwards. Talbot was taken down eight out of fifteen
times in that fight, and he'll be an underdog because
Brazil's Felipe Lima can wrestle, and he also won his
two UFC fights to open his career, although at one
forty five, so we're back at one thirty five, Chuck.
The storyline is super prospect Peyton Talbot is it as
a underdog, but that almost feels like market correction for me,

(01:01:38):
considering his size and striking advantage. Is it going to
come down to whether he might back off the mat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
There, that's the big question. And he's he's worldly enough
and elevated enough to understand. He made jokes like I
need to go to Dagistan. I need to learn how
to wrestle. He's a smart kid man, and I'm like,
I think he has very good acumen to like learn quickly,
but wrestling's hard, it's very difficult to do. It'd be

(01:02:04):
very interesting to see if he's been able. And because
I think now, if you're you know, if you're the
jungle Boy going into this, you're probably thinking, I need
to just take this guy down, right, Like at least
that's going to be in your mind to be able
to do this, And I think for Talbot it's kind
of one of those Now, you know, if you looked
at that as a fraud check, which I think some
people did. Just given who he is, this one's now

(01:02:25):
the full truth teller. Like, if he goes in there
and he lays an egg here, we're gonna be like, wow,
why did we ever hype this dude? That's where he's at.
But I also think that we could be reminded why
we were hyping this dude if he goes in there
and he looks like he did in his first couple
of fights.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
And now he's rocking with Frank Ocean. He doesn't want
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
The video though, Yeah, the butt vape.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I don't know anything about this. I'm just trying to
butt babe the kids are talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I did a big piece and I met the guy
who did the butt vape. It was not him, it
was his roommate. But anyway, like he still suffers from
that whole episode. You know you did a story about
the butt vape. Well, I didn't do it as specific
did about Peyton, but that became part of the story.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
It was like this, Vava, how did your editor pitch
you on that we need a story on the button
butt babe, durable type thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Not quite like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
But anyway, back to what really matters the fights.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Luke, like he interrupts you what he doesn't tell when
it's your immaturity. He wants to, how do I know
about the butt bape story?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
And you don't see and I like to focus more
on the one one five, you know what I mean? Yeah,
although I've won twenty five lately on fire. Hey, here's
what I'm really trying to say, though, Luke, the experts
are trying to tell you that Felipe a Lima is
going to be able to control him in wrestling, But
if you really look at the stats, Talbot has been
pretty damn good and takedown defense before that Barcelos fight

(01:03:39):
against he did stop seven, although he gave up eight
in that one. I don't think was the top position
killer that the odds makers are trying to say here,
shouldn't the four and tied advantage the fact that he
attempts twice as many punches per or strikes per round
carry Talbot in this Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
It well could.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
But if I think people are I mean, calling Felipe
a Lima a wrestler or it is not quite right disrespectful,
you think, well, he can wrestle quite well. Yes, it's
a part of his game. He can do a bunch
of shit really well. In fact, that's that's how I
would describe his game. I mean, recall something, this was
a guy who had a championship belt in Octagon, the
promotion out in Europe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
He's much more battle tested on the regional scene.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
I would even argue more battle tested than Frankly, I
mean the Barcelo's fight now withstanding, but certainly in terms
of victory is much more battle tested than Talbot. I mean,
He's had to work on a vaster array of skills.
So I think Talbot's got some real striking advantages. That
is true, and that's what you're pinpointing, and that's real.
But be like, oh well, Lima has to wrestle him
to win, well, he can against Niemoll, he's striking Peyton's level. No,

(01:04:44):
it's not a Peyton's but if you but dude, is
Islam striking on Dustin Poier's level. No, But the fact
that he has such a fucking threat there it changes
the whole game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Is that the Vegas odds, though, are crazy because they
had they had Talbot, like you know, minus one thousand
in all of his fights before this one. Now he's
an underdog. It's just a crazy juxtaposition for him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
What does this matchmaking say about UFC's opinion of what
they really have in Talbot?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Because that's what I was going to ask you, guys,
because to me, you would think if they really were
invested in his brand of whatever he's doing, because he's
a very different kind of star, sure, very very different.
But they would give him a layup. They would give
him some guy that they were like, hey, there's no
threat of anything here. You know, this guy wants to
throw hands and this is perfect. They're not doing that.
It's a little surprising. I'm a little surprised, man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I don't I can't tell if this is them saying, well,
let's find out right now what we have, or if
this is them saying, yeah, well let's find out right
now what we have, because there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Is absolutely them asking wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, time out,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
What is this? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, that is absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Stopped by Barcelos. But he imploded, would you say.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Right, he looked bad. Yeah, he looked bad, and it
was like you saw the existential vertigo because he was like,
I can't stop this right, go to the canvas, and
he's like, I can't stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
You know, it's one thing to lose is one thing
to lose badly. It's another thing at the UFC level
to get man handled.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Yeah, he got manhandled, and I donly just like physically
like brock Lesner popped in there like the kool aid man.
I mean like he looked like he It's one thing
if oh, someone's shooting a double and I can't stuff
it because they're really good, but you know what to
do down block, sprawl all that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
He looked like he just didn't even know what to do.
He didn't have it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I'm with you on that one interesting fight. I do
think Talbot bounces back in a big way because it
really comes down to is heither real or not. I
think he's going to show you who he is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I hope, so don't want to see how I want
to see how what he does if he's able to
stick around.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Look, I guarantee your betting the other way.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I'm going, good man, he is good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
This is a good match with John's good match making
on this very good, very good match.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
So I'm saying, like people asking about this car. I
get some of the complaints, but.

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Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
I'll take I'll take the over. Yeah, I'll take the over.
I think he crosses one hundred. It's rare, by the
way for a three round fight, but I think you
can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Chuck Minnenhall, Sirhi Car France, seventy two point five significant strikes.
That's the median. Are we going more or less on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
That, I will say less. I think a fight ends
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Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Very very interesting stuff right there. One more on when
we're looking at of course, this Felipe a Lima fight,
they have his take total takedowns at zero point five.
I'm going more. I'm going more.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
That would be surrou price. Again.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
I don't know if he's gonna get all that many,
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(01:08:46):
Slash Promos. Let's get into the preliminary card here for
UFC three seventeen on Saturday, Chuck. A lot of people
are looking at this prelim featured bout in the middleweight division,
not sure which way to go betting wise. When the
veteran Jack Hermanson comes in there against Hobo Kock Hobo Cock.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Greg Gregory, I saw hobo Cock on the way here,
Penn Station, bathroom, Penn Station.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Hobo Cock kind of fell apart when Cannoneer was willing
to go into the war. The war based with them.
I mean, they went after it in that fight. It
was fun to see. Basically, if if Hobo Cop doesn't
kill you in the first two, you know, you know,
round and a half, you might be able to get
the upper hand. What do you see in this fight?

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I thought her Manson looked really good like last time
out Pier. But you know what's weird about him is
like he's been trading wins and losses for like five years,
like where it's just win loss went like literally straight
down the line and sometimes in surprising ways too. And
what did he leave off with Like I don't even know,
but no, the last one was a victory, rights, I

(01:09:55):
feel like a loss if we were following that trajectory, a
loss is inevitable, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
You're on a gap before that last fight.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Yeah, I'm kinda I think her Manson sometimes underachieved. I
don't know, like if that makes sense, but there's been
times where I'm like, I feel like he's going to
do work against somebody and he goes in there and
he kind of he's like, oh man, he falls apart.
So I feel like he's a hard prediction. But in
this matchup, given you know kind of who he's fighting here,

(01:10:22):
I dig it. I think it's a good fight for him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Interesting. Interesting, I like that, Luke, are you a believer
in Hobo Copper? Just a really fun fighter.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Listen, he got tested against Cannon air Cannon here is
fucking tough, even at forty years of goddamn age.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
But by the way he looks like he's and I'm
not trying to be but you would think if you
guessed what how old he was, Yeah, yeah, twenty eight. Yeah,
that's how he looks. I mean, it's insane how chise
old he is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
But what Hobo and his face looks about forty five?

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Yeah, Hobo copper mat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
So the first person I called that was was no Gara.
No gart got the first I mean, like funny, that's
actually pretty act. I know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
It's like imagine if you mixed an ashtray and and
a catcher's mitte, you get Nogara, But which one?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yes that's brutal, but yes, yes have you seen his face?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
I mean you know it was barely hanging off for like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I go, look, you're going harm Manson here, You're going
har Manson here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
I took her Manson with the spread, but you can
do the spread at three and a half, five and
a half, seven and a half. So I took him
at seven and a half. So one judge has to
give him one round. That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Wow, Well, real aggressive betting there, guy, because you're taking
her Manson as a dog. I think it's if it
gets stopped in like the third and he wins the first,
do you get paid out?

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
No, So if her Manson loses, I finish, it's a
dead bet. If he wins in any way, it hits.
And if he just covers the spread via scorecards, Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Does seem like the type of guy if you count
him out, he'll get a vicious knockout.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
That Yeah, exactly, dude. He was like he was dealing
early in that fight too. I mean, yes, he faded
down the stretch, but he was dealing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
I feel like a guy like that if he can
keep a little bit more sustained pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Punch resistance in that brawl to stand in there. Uh
should we be hyped about thirty five year old Filipino
featherweight Hyder Emil who is eleven and as a professional
three and oh in the UFC, But he takes on
a Jose Miguel Delgado who doesn't have a Wikipedia pag.
Should we care?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I'm gonna. I mean that one is.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Yeah, that one, to me is not super high on
the list of intrigue. I don't think it's a bad
fight by any stretch, but no, it's not one that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Tracy Cortes, we're a big fan on this program, coming on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
We is at Ian.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
I don't hate her, but like you know, when we
say we are fans, you're a fan of the table.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
One way, when we're talking about yeah drinks on the other.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
End, I feel like I don't know these guys anymore.
She finally found the UFC defeat when she stepped up
against Rosenami Unis and lost a decision was a competitive
She lost an eyelash, I mean it was. It was
kind of a humbling loss. But she's facing a thirty
eight year old Vivian a year though, right, who is
a decision machine who always loses when she steps up

(01:12:54):
to the high consistently. I think Tracy Cortez bounces back
and clues. In fact, I think this one of the
safest bets her by her by decision in here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Cortes has had issues fading down the stretch too. But
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
I think she's I think she's better overall, and I
mean better with Ortega or without uh without What I'm
gonna say is too if you look at the case normally,
if you look at the case of Araujo, she like
loses to Natalia Silva then beats Karini Silva.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
It's like, yeah, right, that's exactly who you are, right there.
So I saw her in the main event once at
the Apex by the way or whatever, how long ago
was that, It was about four or five years ago.
This guy was this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
This guy was like, yo, I'm not even gonna talk
to my girlfriend Araujo was fighting in the motherfucking Apex.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I got a second hour broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
If she's fighting Cortez, he might not be talking to
his girlfriend for a while. You never know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Remember Cortez beat Blanchefield back in the day. It's crazy crazy,
it was a BS. It was what's the what's the significance?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I was the Swich decision. Decision could have been controversy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Yeah, yeah, interesting stuff right there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Also, I'm into this lightweight till with Terence McKinney, thirty
years old, all sixteen wins by stoppage, fifteen of those
in the first round as a professional, by the way,
But he can get just as easily knocked out in
the first round as we've seen often. Dude, this is
gonna be theater on Slava clause Viachzlav Borischev, great TV fighter.

(01:14:15):
I think this could be the fight at plus five
hundred for this fight to go the distance. I think
this could be the fight that McKinney streak stops, whereas
every single fight in his career has been a stoppage
win one of them. I think that with the fact
that Borschev can take punishment and routinely does that his
only stoppage loss came against Chase Hooper and he said
he didn't tap, although Alistair felt it. And I really

(01:14:37):
think this could be the time because what McKinney said,
this is the second fight with his new camp. He
said the first fight was only a knockout. Yeah, he
said the first fight was only a knockout because the
guy kind of ran into it. He's saying his mindset
on Saturday will be if he can't get Borschev out
of there early, it's to not over extend. I don't
know if he can do that because he loves action,
but you know, going the distance or not. This is

(01:14:59):
a pretty fun fight here. Could this signify a stretch
the start of a actual run for McKinnon.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
I have no idea, but it's a fun fight and
I'm looking forward to seeing. It's hard for me to
make any kind of proclamation about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I kind of dig the at plus five hundred though,
that's a that's an intriguing if you're a gambling.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
You know that's. Hey, what is your take on all
the comics moving to Austin?

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Oh, all the all the now? They don't have to
take on that. I don't know Joe Rogan started something.
You know, all right, Well, he's been out there, he's
been out to Austin, he's visited that whole thing. Yeah,
I was on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
I forget it's a comic.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I forgot about that because he forgot about us during
that show. Nicol Price is a no scene underdog. We
mentioned at the top of the show against a plus
three thousds. So this Jacoby Smith line of plus three stouts, yeah, undefeated,
minus three thousand. I believe this trump's the record, which
was supposed to be Chefchenko against Nico Montana was the
record for the biggest favorite in UFC history.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
This crushes that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Jesus how good is Jacoby Smith? Ten?

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
But I don't know about minus three fucking against shaking
as a guy like that who has nine I look this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Up Antonio Gramardi of mm A, Yes, he has eighteen.
I think eighteen children fights to the to the two,
you know UFC fights. It's a crazy line. But I
will say that Jacoby Smith, you know, he trains it
ford us. He goes up the DC's buddies with him,
they bring him up there. He trains with Habib. You

(01:16:28):
talk to this dude like he's legit. Man, He is
a legit. You watched that left hand that he landed
on the parts. It was ridiculous and went right. It
was like one of the cleanest knockouts. I think Jakobe wins,
but I think the lines a little.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
That seemed like Price is handicapped. He's thirty five years old.
He has lost four of his last six, two by stoppage.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Robbi Lawler got him easy first. They're putting him on
the ice floe and give him a kick, see you later.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
All right, all right, we don't care about heavyweight Johannah
to Denise against against un beating Alvin Hines, making his
UFC name nobody, and then there's a curtain jerker below that.
I don't think there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Couple on there that are not like amazing. But in general,
for five whole, you're right, there's tons of there's at
least more than there's more than five fights to like.
That's plenty and all a lot.

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If our friends at DraftKings are watching, I want a
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Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Yeah, gloves are sick.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I'm with you on that one, Luke. That will not
be in attendance on here. I wish we were, but
shout out to Cuervo just the same, guys. This is
a loaded fight weekend because there is a better or
worse head to head headliner in Anaheim, California.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Where.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
J even doing a bit to his own pay per view.
Quickly we have malign in the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
I think there's enough reason everyone has.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
It's he gives at that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I'm not talking about That's it right, That's all We're.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Saying tonight, by the way, by the way starts versus
Sergio pettit's good fight'stakes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
That's a good ass fight.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
It's tomorrow night, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Oh, it's tomorrow. Today's Thursday. Look, you did get off Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
From an x f C card in South Florida. Fired
up for you? And you see any future killers there?

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Pay attention to the name Jarrett Betton Court, Jarrett and
bets in Court. He looks like he's the Also, Anthony went,
holy mother fuck wow. I mean I've just he like
looks like prime fucking Schwarzenegger out there. It just it
traps to the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Amazing, And he sucked the other guy up and Press has.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Preston Parsons has the most overwhelming cauliflower I've ever imagine
going to Whole Foods and just taking two big ass
heads of doing that.

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Is it more alarming than the roast beef for that
soccer goalie?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
He always there's a place I like to hide.

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I have a train a doorway that I run through.

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And then how often is shitting blood too often?

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Smiling next to you?

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Can you get sick drinking piste? Even if it's your
own good Luke, what it for the record?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
What is your favorite Creed song? I'm serious about this.

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Burn the masters and then let me kiss on it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Do you have a higher guy or more of a.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Oh no, I'm not a pathetic Whitely. I mean, I'm
a pathetic white, but I'm a different You guys do
a very different music taste.

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Starts pulling the mic. You know, it's like, this is
what it's like. He's extending.

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Appreciate it.

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Baby, let's go all right, Morning Live. I think I'm
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Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I don't do that for the Apex mother.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
No, you can't touch a book by its cover.

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Yeah you can, actually you can, That's exactly you can,
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You have through twelve and Saudi Arabia. You know Saudi
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Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Uh notice, Chuckman, Oh my god, we didn't give you
a shirt.

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Where my checket? Next time to it has my name
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Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
We got live chet. What times heres tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Probably gonna be after our call, so right right around
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