UFC Des Moines: Sandhagen wants Title Shot, Nickal Loses, Garcia-Haney 2?, Canelo-Crawford Announced

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Luke you know, they took my favorite sport this weekend
and they aggressively tried to ruin it luckily luckily in
a way. And Cardinis were there to remind us what

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it could be like.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Bro, we're gonna get to it. Shouts to, shouts to
in a way, shouts Tocardinas like they rescued it. But dude,
we are talking about By the end of the Canelo fight,
arguably arguably headed towards the worst weekend in modern boxing history.

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That's how bad it was.

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Hey, what you won't read or hear that on anybody
who's on the payroll, Luke, that's how it works in
twenty twenty five. But we are here to tell the tale,
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Not that we really you know, enjoy things being stretched out.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Too far, right, Okay, I mean he made it weird.
You didn't have to do that. It's gonna be a
great show on its own.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah, it was just yeah, okay, all right. Hey,
the only thing left to do is transition to the
third number of this program. He comes to us by
way of a down under man satchel. Yes, yes, it
is the main card minutes Best Boyfriend, Luke, No SDA Luke,
how the hell are you?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I'm doing good, guys.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
You know, it wasn't the best weekend as far as results,
but we did have a jam packed combat sports weekend.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
It you know had to.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean, Sam al just send Tyrone Spong the hell
at karate combat, all right.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
M Alvey looks damn good in karate combat.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Shout out Jed Mshus saying he is to karate combat
what Mike Perry is to b KFC.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I agree with that, and.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
He called out Eddie Hall afterwards. So that's a little bit.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's making let's book it there.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, Cita will be with us throughout the show, handling
the ones and the two's. Luke Thomas, was it a
outside of the uh depression that boxing brought this weekend?
Was the rest of the weekend good for you and
your family?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah? Yeah, it was great. I had some in laws
in town. They're leaving today. That was nice. I will
say that UFC Iowa had some hits and missus, but
Maine and Comaine delivered. I would argue I think they delivered.
And yeah, yeah, I know, it's been good. I was
talking about this before the show. Dude, the the pollen
this season is this is pre Usada pollen. I mean,

(03:53):
what are we What are we doing here? It is
unbearable to deal with And I used to never get
allergies and now I can't control it. It's insane.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Same way I was allergy free my whole life until
I became an old pos and now the weather can
suddenly change, the temperature can drop, and I got a
full day hangover.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Luke.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's not fair. It's just not fair.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
The allegra ain't doing the job. Man. I need something stronger.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
You need something stronger, like maybe a pink monster and
a vape, Louke. I don't know, you know, I mean, Luke. Also,
I wanted to announce that today is an anniversary of
two important things. One the eighteen years since Floyd Mayweather
and Oscar de la Hoya met in Las Vegas in
that super fight that fights that spawned the pre Fight
documentary in boxing and did a lot of things. But

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on that same day, this guy eighteen years of marriage today.
That's what I'm talking Wow, yeah, hyod, I go, yeah,
That's what I'm talking about. So we're on the quest
for twenty Luke, but made it this far, mind as well?
Hang on for a few more.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Right, Yeah, my parents only made it seventeen years. So
as long as I beat that, I'm the in house winner.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
What are you on right now?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
A decade in this will be no. No, This upcoming
September will be thirteen.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh nice, very lucky thirteen.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
For them moving the chains, buddy.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Talking about right there. Hope everybody had fun this weekend.
Hope you got some sun. Hope you're ready for this
damn program right here A very quick reminder that two
days from now, Wednesday, May seventh, live on the YouTube
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by Cuervo, featuring BCLT and the indomitable Iceman Chuck Minden
Hall of Uncrowned. By the way, how about uh, how
about Chuck Minden Hall and Ril getting getting billionaire row
influencer treatment there at the Times Square inside those large fences.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Look must be nice. Although they got a front row
seat to some bassura, I know that, hey, not the
most coveted seat in the end.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
By the way, media was not allowed in. They were
given a non electrical outlet, non Wi Fi opportunity to
watch the fights from a restaurant across the street. With it.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
They put these motherfuckers in the hard rock Cafe in
Times Square. Yeah you understand. I would rather do drugs
in the subway under the Times Square then go to
the hard rock cafe for any reason in Times Square.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Well, hey, Chuck in Ariel, tell me how his ass tasted?
And who is.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Baby?

Speaker 6 (06:30):
All right?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
No, no, Chuck did write a piece for one crowned.
After it he tried his best to sum it up.
We love we love those folks, all right, all the
fun behind us is time to get into great detail
what went on over the weekend and what it meant. Uh,
let's do it right now with topic number one. UFC
IOWA was on the dock at Saturday night, a fight
night card in front of an area that loves MMA

(06:52):
and was very voisterous and excited for the worldwide leader
in cage fighting to arrive. And in the main event,
we had a weight tel with title positioning at stake.
At course, of course, as former interim title challenger Corey
Sanhagen welcomed former multiple time one hundred and twenty five
pound champion, an absolute badass with the red streak to

(07:14):
prove it, Devison figuredo. In the end, Sanhagen would largely
control and dominate on the ground a second round TKO
via knee injury, of course, caused by the grappling skills
of the thirty three year old Sanhagen. So Luke, Corey
continues to add wrinkles to his game. He's got two
wins now over UFC champions. This time. He controlled every

(07:35):
single aspect, as I mentioned, with four wins now in
his last five fights, and I guess you could say
a renewed spirit of what could be upon him his
final run to the top. Is there anything left that
should hold back Corey Sandhagen from getting that elusive shot,
the same one he begged for outright in the post
fight interview for the un disputed bantamwaight title.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, this was it. This is exactly what I was
looking for. I suspect, and we shall see. But I
suspect this is exactly what the UFC matchmakers were looking for.
This was the best performance I'm going to argue of
Corey Sanagan's career, and that might be certainly debatable, and
others might have a different choice, but I want to

(08:17):
tell you BC why I believe that way. On Friday's MK,
we talked about this. Now, you and I both had
thought that Sanagan would get the win. He was obviously
the big favorite, which we thought the odds were a
little bit weird, but in the end we thought he
would win, and he did. But there was one thing
that we talked about on Friday Show, Namely, if you
go back and you look at san Haagan's early UFC run,

(08:39):
he just thought like like he had ants in the pants.
He had a certain kind of in your face attitude,
a certain kind of like restlessness when they were announcing
his name, like really just this almost a little bit mean,
just short of it, but that kind of a mood,
and then he would fight that way. But the problem
that we had talked about was that, well, at that

(09:01):
stage of his career, he had a lot of ability,
but he would make some mistakes. As a consequence, he
would walk into problems and then have to rescue himself,
and for the most part he did until he met
his elite peers, and then he suffered a series of setbacks.
And it feels to me like along the way he
was still believing in himself. BC. But you know, I
think obviously some doubt had crept in. This was the

(09:22):
first fight, I think personally in years where I felt
like he had a different energy all week. All week
he was talking about how this time, I know my
skill set is ready to go. I know my skill set.
This is the best chance I've ever been at being
a champion in terms of like where he is in

(09:43):
his development. He marched right out to that CAGEBC. He
looked exactly like the Sandagan who was making his UFC debut,
and he had an answer for everything, for everything. There
was nothing that Figgy threw at him that he couldn't handle.
He got it with one big right hand. San Haagan's

(10:03):
always had a good chin. It didn't rattle him, it
didn't determine. He got right back to his game plan.
And the part of the fight that you thought, well,
maybe think he can give him some problems, maybe back control,
maybe you know he's a good wrestler, that kind of
a thing, and certainly submissions. More broadly, it was actually
sand Hagen who was able to stop all of it.
It was san Haagen who if he wanted to escape,

(10:24):
he could. It was sand Hagen who, if it was
Figguri tying up some kind of leg entanglement. Not only
did Sana Hagen say, you know what, I'll match you there.
Now I'm gonna go on the offense. Now, I'm gonna
go push all my chips into the middle there and
in the end that is why he won. It was

(10:44):
I saw a video last night because I was looking
at that fifty to fifty position that they were INBC
and like, how it pops your knee? Sure enough. Lachlan Giles,
who was a famous, famous, famous Australian grappler, has a
whole series on the fifty to fifty guard and he
talked about that exact position. Everything Corey's said was correct.
If he comes up and the other person doesn't go
back down, the knee pops the entire thing. He knew

(11:06):
how to do that. Corey Sandhagan had the right attitude
because he finally looked to me, believed in his skills
because he knows they're good enough to win a title.
I can't wait to see the promise of that, at
least in terms of an opportunity anyway fulfilled.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I love the command. I love like like look,
there's been times where like co Corey Anderson shout out
to ot Corey. Sandhagen is such a student of the game,
and you know, certainly has been forced to constantly evolve
because of the times he's come up just short when
looking for that fight that number one could tender win.
That's going to push him to where he hopes to
be right now. But I think at times he's too

(11:47):
much movement in there. And even though he was flirting
a lot with stance switches which were constantly keeping Figure
off guard, I feel like he minimized or brought down
sometimes what he does, which is I'm just gonna spam
and show you that I can do it all, and
he's constantly doing all of it, but not doing a
lot of it. At the opponent. He was focused right
in moving forward the whole time. As you mentioned, he

(12:08):
had a counter for anything Figure produced, especially when Figure
would try to sneak in timely takedowns. Sanhagan was very
comfortable in spinning the advantage back to himself right there,
and then you saw how he put together the finish,
and you know, Sanhagan said it afterwards in the cage.
He's going to say it again in some sound we
have from the post fight press conference. It'll go down
as a TKO win due to injury. With that TKO

(12:31):
and the injury that happened was very calculated, and that
was the plan in that situation. In fact, Corey believes
this should be a submission based on how we set
it up. Let's listen to Sanhagen.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
It was ruled as a TKO via injury, but from
where I was sitting, it looked like his knee was
in a messed up position with your legs in it,
and then he tapped, So I feel like that maybe
should be a submission ruled.

Speaker 8 (12:54):
He carried away.

Speaker 9 (12:55):
Yeah, I mean it was like a pop submission.

Speaker 10 (12:57):
You know.

Speaker 9 (12:57):
It was like the positions fifty to fifty. If you
don't know how to play fifty to fifty, you're gonna
pop your knee. I spun under. I went for a
backside fifty to fifty. It didn't hit. He got on top.
I sat up really hard just to get on top.
And if I sit up hard and you don't sit back,
your knee is gonna pop. It happened at TJ when

(13:17):
I did that to him. It happened to figure. I
heard it click really loud, So that wasn't like an
accidental thing that was like a hey, Figgy, you're either
gonna sit down on your butt.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Or we're popping your knee. And that's what happened.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
Did you when he was going for all these legloves?

Speaker 7 (13:32):
And did you know that, oh, this fifty to fifty
game is about to be open to me and this
is the where I can finish the fight or are
you just flowing in there?

Speaker 8 (13:37):
And it just presented itself in the moment. I win at.

Speaker 9 (13:40):
Fifty to fifty every time against all of these guys.
I trained with the guy that invented the thing, Ryan Hall,
So you will not beat me at fifty to fifty.
You're gonna tack my legs all you want. Like, those
are very technical spots and I'm very good at those spots.
So you're not gonna win there. You know, at no
point was I in danger?

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
There, but I think you were able to make it out.
Are you, in your years of rolling, familiar with what
he's talking about that fifty to fifty game and that
he essentially backed Figgy into a corner here?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, for fifty fifty of folks who are actually like
you know, especially if our audio listeners who might be listening.
There's a lot of different parts to fifty to fifty,
but the basic way to explain it is, imagine you're
facing somebody, your right leg is wrapped on the inside
of their right leg, so both people would have their
right legs wrapped, and so their foot is going to

(14:33):
go to the outside of your hip and your foot's
going to go to the outside of their hip. Now,
of course, there is much, much, much much more to it,
but that's a basic way to understand that fifty to
fifty position. There's a lot of attacks backside fifty to fifty.
What he's talking about is inverting under to go for
a heel hook, essentially facing the back of them as
you after you invert. He didn't get it, so he
came back the other way, so he inverts to go

(14:53):
the back for the heel hook. He can't get it,
so he goes back to the front and then he
comes up. Figgy doesn't go back down on his knee
is facing the outward direction, so it just ends up.
Imagine taking a sponge a little bit and then turning
it to to you know, get the water out of it.
That's essentially what happened to his knee. Not not not
quite a press out, but more of a bit of

(15:15):
a turn based on the direction of the knee. That's
what he did, dude. That's all intentional. It's one hundred.
It doesn't look like it necessarily in real time. But
did he know that Figgy wasn't going to go back down?

Speaker 2 (15:26):
BC.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
No, he didn't know that. But when he came up
to reassert top position, basically he's offering Figgy a choice.
You can go back down and now I'm gonna get
on top, or you cannot go back down and I'm
gonna shred your knee. In fact, you see I mentioned
that Lachlan Giles video. In that video, when Lachlan talks
about the scenario, he actually says explicitly, if you're fighting

(15:48):
someone in fifty to fifty and they come up, he goes,
I actually recommend you go to your back and give
them the reverse let them get on top, he goes,
because that's just that's a lot better than shredding your knee.
He actually says it outright, And so you see Figgy
not do it. He paid the cotton. That's what I'm saying, dude.
Anything that Figgie tried to throw at him, he either

(16:08):
neutralized or had an answer for. He was simply better
basically basically everywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, if our relationship ever goes sour, Luki will be
faced with that same dilemma, but the questions will be
tap or nap coma bitch when it talks about getting
that joke in. But in all seriousness, a great victory.
He mentioned Ryan Hall in his corner. This was also
his second fight with Trevor Whitman as head coach. That
Colorado connection right there, So it does seem to be
like all signs are pointing to Sanagan being at the

(16:37):
peak of his game, learning from mistakes in the past,
and being ready right now for what he called for
passionately afterwards, which was a title shot. I'm gonna tee
you up after we hear from Corey one more time.
Here's Sanhagan making that case for the title shot. Next
after Morob and Sugar Sean meet up very shortly in
a rematch, he.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
Said, you wanted to come into this fight and prove
that you had the top of your game and that
you're ready for these title opportunities.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
You did that. You're very dominant victory over Davison.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
Do you hope or have you spoken to the UFC
since you've left the cage two minutes ago that you
might be able to slide in as a backup for Newick.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
I haven't talked to him. Where me and my agency
are gonna talk to him? See what's kind of next?
I think I deserve the title shot next, regardless, you know.
I mean, who else is there? Umar just far for
the belt lost? Jean is coming off of a win
but also lost to both of the guys that are fighting,
So I don't know how exciting that would be. And

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then I finished figuring around and a half Yan didn't
finish Figgy Jan got dropped by Figgy Figgy. I think
maybe hit me one time. So I showed that I'm better.
I showed that I'm the best guy, and I deserve
to be next.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
There is a chance on listen, we're talking about down
the line here, but there's a chance to say, these
guys fighting June and then they maybe won't fight again
til the end of the year. Is that a potential
that you would just sit out and wait that long
for the opportunity or would you want to stay active
and keep going.

Speaker 9 (17:56):
If it's the belt next, I'll wait I'll wait. I
don't know how long, but I'll wait.

Speaker 11 (18:02):
If you could draw it up in your mind. Obviously,
you don't think there's a bigger fight if Sean wins
than you and O'Malley fighting for the title. But is
there something really intriguing about fighting Morob because of how
dominant he's been.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Do you have a preference?

Speaker 9 (18:15):
I mean, they're both pretty exciting, but to not be boring,
I guess my answer would be me and O'Malley because
that's what the fans want to see.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
So Luke, I love that he said he would wait.
That's the right call right now at thirty three years old.
What do you make of this dilemma that matchmakers at
UFC will have from this standpoint? Pyodore Jan defeated san
Hagen head to head an interim title bout, But as
san Hagan mentioned, Yan has losses against both O'Malley and Morob.
Corey has yet to fight either guy and has one

(18:44):
four or five overall. Who deserves it more? Next? When
you put it under that spotlight?

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, I mean you can construct, not almost, but there's
a lot of different ways to find logic to give
so won a title shot. But the longer you're in
this business, the more you realize that some of that stuff,
you know, it's just people wish casting. Here's the simple
reality about this. Yan was a former champion and has

(19:11):
had you know, a lot more opportunities to contend for
a title, including title shots, even when he wasn't champion
then sand Haagen. Now that's not a reason to not
give Yon a future opportunity. But if you're the matchmakers,
you have a fresh contender that has not had a
title shot before, and as a consequence that freshness, especially

(19:36):
against this current guy Morob who's basically just blown through
the division at this point, with the exception basically of
san Hagen, that makes him a lot more attractive. And
I'm going to say it one more time, you're also
making a decision about who you're selling this product to,
and the it's a UFC is a worldwide audience for sure,
but if pay per views still means something, that means

(19:57):
guys who appeal more to an American and slash American
audience are over time, in some cases, going to get preference. Also,
you know, Jean is exciting, There's simply no question about it.
But because you have seen that movie before. In the
case of both Sean and Morob, there's a little bit
less mystery. Although I will say a rematch between Morob,

(20:18):
excuse me, a rematch between O'Malley and Yon would actually
be kind of sick because the first fight was actually
really good, so that'd be a lot of fun. I'm
not mad at it either way, to be honest with you,
But people arguing, well, Corey has a loss to Yan
and they have the same kind of win, he should
still have a little bit of a lead in terms
of who gets the shot. That is not technically incorrect
in terms of how we're sorting meritocracy, but who gets

(20:41):
awarded prizes and by that I mean, you know, opportunities
in this sport is a question that is partly meritocratic
based and partly salesmanship based, And when you look at
it through that lens, Corey is a much stronger choice
than Yan and much likelier to get an opportunity for
that reason, not a lock, we see, not a lock,

(21:04):
but I would say the leader in the clubhouse.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, if we go to UFC Leningrad, we might see
Yan in here, but no mercy Payota. Yan took to
Twitter in the past twenty four hours and said we
can find out who deserves it more in July, same place.
No more short notice, excuse for you, son. This was
him talking to Sanaigan. He also added Cory, you were
good yesterday, but don't forget this fight, having a picture

(21:28):
of their first meeting, and he said, the only one
who deserves a fight for the belt. He's talking about himself.
But Luke, we have seen Yan in Twitter exchanges with
Umar and Narmaga Meto, who's coming off of defeat to
Morob for the title. I would think Yan versus Umar
is the perfect fight. So yes, let's give san Haigan
the next shot at the title.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, Yan versus Zumar is fantastic. I mean, if Sean
O'Malley loses and they want to run that one back,
that would also be kind of sick. You know, there's
just a lot of good fights you can make. But
also just kind of remember it's like it's not just
that Sandhagan hasn't gotten a shot before. It's that if
you are a believer in Morab, crossing sand Hagen off

(22:11):
of the list again, if that's your perspective, is actually
pretty important for like generational completeness, right, rather than just
rerunning another one you've seen before in Yon. Also, b
see if you did sand Haagen versus Yon again. Fine fight,
great fight, but now you're killing off the contender in
a world where Morob might beat O'Malley, And now you

(22:32):
really have nobody again. For all these reasons salesmanship plus meritocracy,
which is really the true formula of how pay per
view fights get awarded at least most of the time,
Sandhagan is your top choice.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, they're totally understandable in that case. Let's talk about
the thirty seven year old figure Eedo. We have video
of him exiting the cage. He needed assisting walking after
that knee turn. Look, this is two straight defeats after
a really nice reinvent moving up in Wait to Band
Them weight in which he won three in a row.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Looked dangerous.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's not as if the two fight losing skid. He's
looked like he's fallen aggressively hard in terms of from
his prime. But he's thirty seven. Now he's got an
injury to limp off. It does kind of feel like
this was the last window for him to enter a
title picture at this point in his career.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
We said it on Friday, did we not. We're going
to see what these guys really have left for the
top of this division. Corey flying Colors looked amazing and
of course he's four years the junior. And Figy, by
the way, as a reminder, already held a weight class title,
like he's already done things that san Haagen has not
different weight class. But nevertheless, uh but san Haagan on
this night was certainly much much better Figy thirty seven,

(23:47):
which is already old for the weight class. And now
you have this injury and BC, I'm not exactly sure
how long it's going to take some of the estimates
I've seen in terms of what gets affected when this
injury happens from this particular position, as you get an
LC altair, you know, and LCL tair is. I mean,
we'll see what the doctors tell them, but there could
certainly be a scenario where he's not back until deep

(24:08):
into his time at thirty eight. Not a death sentence
for winning AGAINBC, but it's like he was losing to
san Haagen anyway, and now he's going to miss this time.
He beat good fighters up here, he beat you know,
Rob Faughn, he beat Chieto Vera. He beat good fighters,
but I think now we've seen the limit. You've seen
the limit, and now time is certainly no longer at

(24:28):
all his ally he I would not write him off.
Oh He'll never win again, That's not what I'm saying.
But I don't think he's relevant as a future title contender.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I fully agree with that, although I've loved his time
at the Elite Circle and these smaller weight classes. An
absolute badass who does have a complete game and is
very dangerous. Luke, we did this little exercise after there
were a bunch of key welter weight bouts involving Ian
michade o'gary, where I incorrectly tab the exercise as a
pound for pound at welterweight. I guess in reality, the

(25:02):
difference of what I'm trying to do is not call
it power rankings, in which meritocracy would largely you know,
your achievements would largely dictate where you fall in. I'm
just talking about current stock at this moment. If you
had to make a top five at bandam weight just
based on current stock, and who would beat who? Where
does Sanagan fit in? I controversially put Ian Garry at

(25:25):
number two in the welterweight division, and I've yet to
be proven wrong on that, although there's still a lot
of questions. Is Morob the best band of weight in
the world right now in terms of who would beat
who had to head? Where do you sort of see
it at the moment?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think until he's beaten, we have to respect Morob,
you know, I do think Corey could beat him in
more than just a generic saying that kind of way.
But you know, gun to my head, we owe Morob respect.
So I'm going to give it to him. I'll put
Umar to we answer.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's it, that's the one. You nailed it, Luke, We've
already won. We can go.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think after that's a little more interesting because I
don't you know, people were asking, like what about sand
Hagen and O'Malley, which could be by the way, I mean,
if that's the fight that we get, holy shit, that's
gonna be awesome. But the thing is, like I might
pick O'Malley over him, only because I think O'Malley is
more well rounded, especially after Saturday. Dude, like, look how
good he is? So then where is yet? So to

(26:23):
me it's Morob Umar And then you have to decide
where sand Haagen, Yan and O'Malley kind of all fit
in that next space. And I don't really know how
to answer.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I got Yan at three, Sanhagan at four, O'Malley at five,
and I know I'm heavy, I'm hella critical here. You know,
it's not like O'Malley got knocked out when he lost
the title and he was hurt. So that's why we're
having a rematch in some some ways you can loosely
connect those dots, But I don't know, Luke. That's just
where I feel right now. We'll see how it all

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(30:01):
Larks Studios. Luke transitioning to topic two, brings us back
to UFC Iowa, where bow Nickel and everybody else fought.
But before we get into the everybody else, we got
to talk about bow Nickel and that comin event bringing
in his seven to zero unbeaten record against former one Championship,
multi division champion and red hot UFC rookie still in

(30:26):
his first twelve months. Yeah, we're talking about the dark
Dutch Night. Reneer de Ritter Luke. While there was one
prominent MMA podcaster and journalist who predicted that our dr
would finish Nickel, bow was the betting fit. Yeah, thank you,
thank you. Let's put a little respect on on god
willing to wrestle or get out wrestled.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Listen, once in a while, you have a bet, I'm
not gonna have.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Woodley would finish till and you looked at me on
that MMA beat set like I was crazy. But here's
the deal, folks, Bo got finished and since that, and
he's become a veritable pinata for those on MMA Twitter
as a bust, as someone who didn't fight enough. Maybe
he doesn't care about the sport enough. He went from
super prospect to super hated like overnight. And you know,

(31:13):
I don't know if it's politically linked, but Bo is
being linked politically in the Donald Trump inauguration curse, which
has now hit MAGA lights like Bryce Mitchell, Michael Chandler
and now Bo Nickel, all three getting finished after the inauguration.
I don't know, Aunt Kobe, I don't know if that's
all connected. But Luke, let's get down to the brass tacks.

(31:35):
Here was this Bonnickel defeat by second round TKO via
body means by URDR truly the fraud check that social
media has made it out to be. And what does
this say about bo Nichol's future?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
This was a very terrible loss for bo Nicchol. There's
a central question, which is the one you're asking, which
is was he fraud checked? And I don't like the
term for a couple of reasons. One seems a little
unnecessarily mean, although that's not a reason not to use it.
But the bigger one is that there's really no agreed
upon definition, and people are gonna, you know, put together

(32:13):
different scenarios to decide whether or not this since scenario
meets it, what I'm going to say is, we can't
even if you think it's a fraud check, there's actually
really no way to know until we see how he
pivots from here. Because if he goes on to have
the career that his skeptics think he's going to have,
then yeah, maybe this actually will end up being one.

(32:33):
If you end up being somebody who actually never really
turns into anything and you were hyped this way, maybe you,
in that particular scenario were a fraud all the way around.
On the other hand. If he learns from this experience
BC and then goes to you know, better heights and
become something quite special, well then we'll look back on
this and say, hey, he thought a really good RDR

(32:53):
which we're going to get to and yeah, he looked
bad in that loss, but he learned from it. So no,
he's not a fraud if he goes on to do
great things. How could you say such a thing. But
here's what we can say about Saturday BC number one.
He got audited. He got audited, And what I mean
by that is there was it wasn't clear to me

(33:14):
necessarily that bowl was better everywhere. Bo did that one
ankle pick takedown, but then tried to sit for a
guillotine totally inadvisably and then essentially gave up top position.
He was beaten up in the clinch, and every time
he tried to throw something it was the same kind
of overhand punch or at a bare minimum, just a
left straight stuff that was coming. Excuse me, not even

(33:37):
a left straight, but just you know, these long range
punches that he was looking for. RDR was able to
get on top of it or get to the outside
of it because it was so predictable, right, He was
able to predict with great ease or counter with great
ease hasty things that Nicol was doing, or predictable things
that were easy to get around. Even in that final

(33:59):
knee that he hit him with, if you watch it
in the replay, he's actually pulling Nickel into it, using
Nichol's own momentum to then feed him the knee. He
knew he was going to be there for it, They
knew what he was going to throw when they were
going to put pressure on him, and they had all
the right answers. They audited him. That's the first problem.
The second problem that he has is that from a

(34:22):
public relation standpoint, as I mentioned, if he goes on
to do great things, how could you possibly call him
a fraud. But in so far as his readiness on
Saturday Night, he confirmed the suspicions of his skeptics. His
skeptics had believed that, you know, whatever his pedigree in
college and his athleticism, which probably no, I don't think

(34:44):
they'd really question that per se, but how that was
necessarily translating to mma. They were not convinced. They looked
at fights like that Paul Craig fight and you know,
I always wanting to look the other way because I
was like, well, you know, he was getting fifteen minutes
in there, and that's good experience, and he did want
to use his wrestling. There's going to be that's value
to build from. But then when you go when you
watch the strikes he was throwing in this one, BC,

(35:07):
it didn't look like he was building on anything. It
didn't look like there was a demonstrable difference not only
from that fight, but from fights excuse me, even earlier
in his career, skeptics have been wondering if he actually
was a as good as they thought and B progressing
in some kind of a direction. And RDR put a
stop to that pretty quickly, or the bare minimum, laid it,

(35:28):
laid it out for everyone to see that the skeptics
were probably onto something here big time, and that not
only hurts his stock, but it calls into question. I
can't answer this, and you can't answer this. We don't
know what's happening in training right. Only only the folks
who watch it can. But BC, it appears that something
is missing, something is off. And I think I think

(35:51):
you were definitely all you know what, we were both
we've both been big on RDR since he was a
double champ over in one. I mean the Mallekin fights,
those are toughest sis, right, we can all agree, but
he's he.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Got hit too much against GM three and I think
he fixed that yes too, and.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Then against Holland he just sees his flattened. Um. But
let's pitch it back to you. You were the one
who kind of saw this coming. So from your vantage point,
was it, oh, I'm just a huge believer in RDR,
Or is it I'm a believer in RDR, but I've
got these lingering skepticisms about Nickel.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
It was seventy five to twenty five with the seventy
five believing in RIR compared to the actual experience that
bo Nickel had seven pro fights, two of them in
the Dana White Contender series, and a small handful of
fe UFC fights where he either finished someone so fast
we didn't get to actually see does he have a chin,
does he have cardio? Does he have IQ?

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Can he adjust from adversity?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
All the all the things that you need to see,
or he had fights like the last two were you
actually come out of there with questions. Now they're not
insincere questions. We understand how little MMA experience he actually has,
even with the big hype around him, but let's not
forget how big the hype around him actually was. Like
we were even kind of going, is this one of

(37:05):
those rare scenarios where you just rushed somebody to a
title shot three quick wins in just because they seem
like a special talent. I mean, he was showing us
that side of it. But the last two fights, really,
the last one is what bumped up that twenty five
percent of doubt I had coming in. I don't really
hold the Cody Brundage fight against him. I think Brundage
pushed the pace, hit him in ways other people hadn't
been able to, and kind of forced both to bite

(37:27):
down and get through it. But it was the Paul
craigfight that was maddening. I remember my analysis the next
day or two days later, our morning combat. It was
I'm not gonna panic bo still was in control of
the fight. Still one carried it out on the terms
he was trying to, which is I'm not even gonna
lean on my strength, give me the experience here to
work on my craft. But I can't lie to you.

(37:48):
I had twenty five percent doubt on him coming in
because of the interviews he gave after that where it
sounded like he didn't understand the concern of the general public,
of the of the why wouldn't you lean in your
strength in a fight that's close to make sure that
you win it, or or just the It just felt
like he was disconnected. That's the term I used last week.

(38:10):
He was disconnected from the reality of the situation. And
then you have the footage and the instances of when
he said very grand things long islan. Look, can we
put up the one reference people are killing him about
right now about talking about Hamza chamayav on a podcast
I think it was on Aerils show withinm last year. Yeah,
the MMA. Hour before Ariel left there, he said it

(38:31):
wouldn't be surprising to me when I fight Hamza if
I'm like a minus one thousand favorite. He's also recently said,
you know, if he went in there against DDP right
now for the belt, he'd win in one sided fashion.
So I think when I mixed that with RDR. As
a true veteran this game, he's been sent to hell
by heavyweights. He's rebounded and fixed himself. And yes he's vulnerable,

(38:55):
Yes he's not well rounded. Yes he's prone to making
the mistakes like he did in the GM three fight
in his UFC debut where it didn't look like we're
looking at a future dark horse title challenger. But he
did make those adjustments against Holland, and I just didn't
have any form of foundation to sit on with confidence
that bo Now that he's at a level where it's
not just my a plan. My athletics is of my

(39:17):
ability to almost ronda rouse you. You get you directly
where I need you to be to finish you. Once
you lose that, when you step up and wait, you
need more. I questioned if he had that. It turns
out he didn't. But my biggest surprise, I guess I
want to say, is how aggressively the fan base turned
against him. I mean, then I told you no, no, no,
I didn't let me close, let me close with this.

(39:39):
I think the the re you laid out perfect reasons
why they were mad, but I think you missed the
maybe the most important one that that might have been
the thing that turned it's so aggressively negative, was he's
getting brock Lessner comparisons, and it's brock lesnar you know,
after the surgery, when he just likes you hit him
once hard in the face, the fight's gonna go in

(40:00):
your direction. He's gonna fall apart. Like fans are questioning
now based on how much he sort of self conbusted
there in the finish, whether he's really about this game
when it's not him delivering his a you know, him
him being the front runner and dominating, and whether he
has the toughness or want because I think a lot
of people are taking his inactivity and saying maybe he

(40:20):
doesn't have the passion to get in there and improve
and fight six times a year like a hot prospect
in his spot might want to or might or should
have in a lot of ways. And I look when
then when they see him effectively quit from strikes that
you wouldn't think would break him against the guy who
you're not expecting to break him at all in the
striking department, I think that's the thing that that brought

(40:43):
out the frauds.

Speaker 12 (40:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
You know what's that yardstick? Look the the is it
called a hoe? Look if you ever put two hands
around a hoe that people are cut hands around a
bunch of hoes, Ellie.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I mean, look, you.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Gotta admit it. The fact that he couldn't take that
the first sign of.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Legitimate I disagree with this. I disagree with it, and broke, dude,
I disagree with this. Now. I agree with the part
you said before. I mean, I did again you all
the credits that you see, you saw this one coming. Salute.
You got a good one here. But I did say
on Friday, and you and long Isle disagree with me.
I'm like, dude, the fan base like like, there's like
seething resentment about this guy. And that's what I think
you saw after he lost. For the reasons you articulated

(41:25):
that there were some of the comparisons were kind of nuts,
you know, and and it led to all kinds of pushback.
They just don't like the the UFC favoring somebody, and
then they start to doubt whether or not they are
deserving of that favoritism, which is weird because MMA fans
used to kind of like this, you know. I used
to like it when they did it for Paige van Zant.

(41:47):
They used to like it when they did it for
Stage north cut Hell. They loved it when it happened
for Connor McGregor. And as I remind everybody, for folks
out there who think Connor McGregor didn't get it, like
numerous instances on his rise up of favorable matchmaking, you're
out of your fucking mind. He absolutely did. The difference
was he made good on it. He he took it
and was like thanks for the assist. To the point

(42:09):
you raised, here comes the ali oup. He didn't mess
it up at all, and so that turned him into
a legend as a consequence for his fighting exploits. But
but this was the resentment for Bow was kind of
easy to see coming. Here's what I will say, though
I don't my problem is this, we should talk about
the fight a little bit. BC. Sure, here was my problem.

(42:32):
Go let's talk about the strikes that Bo was throwing.
Constant this constant wide hooks.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I liked the overhand elbow, that short overhand right elbow.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
That he had a couple. He had a couple, and
again he had that one Ucci mada which turned RDR
and then he ankle picked him over. That was nice,
That was sick. My job well done. Obviously he can wrestle,
but he didn't make much use of it. And here's
the here's the problem. Number one, he sits for the guillotine.
I'm so glad you brought the Rousy comparison. Rousy was

(43:01):
like this lightning in a bottle moment where she would
throw these women and they didn't know, like literally what
way was up, and then she'd armbarm before they even
had a chance to do anything because she was taking
like that Judo style of competition into fighting and it
was electric. But then if you stopped that, there was
there was nothing like she completely fell apart. Take a
look at Amanda Nunez, take a look at Holly Holm,

(43:22):
you know whatever, both sitting to the like like it's
a low a low fighting IQ move to do that,
or even if it's not, it's certainly it's certainly the
result of somebody who is not experienced, like sitting to
a guillotine like that, unless your lights out against a
guy who's a known submission specialist, you know, when you

(43:45):
don't need to. You had just reversed position to get
to a you know, to like a front headlock series.
This is your chance to step away basically, and instead
he sits underneath and like what good was that? Or
excuse me, and this was RDR world of the arm bar.
And then they get to the position and then he
does it, and so the ultimately he gets pinned. So

(44:05):
like you know, you see like he's making these offensive decisions. BC.
We're like, oh, if I just do this, it will work. Right,
If I just throw this punch, it will work. If
I just take this takedown, it will happen. I don't
know how much resistance he's getting in the training room,
at a bare minimum, like the kind of resistance that

(44:25):
he needs. He seems to think that if he just executes,
it's just all gonna work. And you could that's why
you can just blow through these guys who are.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
To illustrate what you're saying. He seems delusional. It's the
same thing I thought in the aftermath of the Paul craigfight.
He just didn't seem to have a full way of
illustrating and explaining why there was criticism against him, almost
like I've got this.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
You think it's like if I just if I, oh,
if I just do X, why will happen? And an
experienced fighter knows like, okay, you might want to do X,
you might not actually, but if you do. There's a
whole range of things that can happen. Let's make a
smarter call about this.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
He's not doing it.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
And then when I go to the punches, BC, he
was so predictable with what he was going to throw.
It was wide, it was long, it was looping, it
was leaning. Every time they knew he was going to
do that, they knew it and they had planned around it.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
And BC.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Even in the clinch, there are times where yes, RDR
is engaging him and you have to find a way out.
He had one good to his credit, bo Nicol had
one good clinch break. I think you mentioned the elbow
that he had thrown there. That was nice. But then
there are other times where they're clinching. For example, when
he gets the back, he does the throw by. When
when RDR tries to do that like takedown in the

(45:35):
second round, Bonnicchol wisely throws him by and gets the
gets the back, RDR stands, tries to peel the hands,
can't do it, but creates enough space to turn. So
now they are turned, and the instant that they're turned,
it's like dude, break away push off and he just
stands there and doesn't do anything. And that's the first
really hard knee that RDR lands. He had of course

(45:58):
landed other knees prior, but that one was the first one.
If you actually look at the sequence of events that
led to the finish, that's the first one. And he
did it because he was just standing there fighting on
the other guy's terms. He didn't have his own offensive identity.
And this is the point I want to make, Like
I watch now, for whatever reason, more regional MMA than

(46:18):
I ever have a or at least in some time.
I cannot tell you the difference between prospects that have
a functional job and ones that don't. And I know
that this was too much too soon for bo Nickel,
but it's like, dude, you've got to have a series
of foundational strikes that enable you to define the range,

(46:39):
define the terms of the exchange, allow you to move,
allow you to score damage, all the things that a
job or a you know, a really reliable kicking game
in different ways can do. And I didn't see any
of that show.

Speaker 12 (46:50):
No.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Cory Anderson had some great tweets about that about how
all a spot you know, wrestlers turn MMA don't if
you don't build that foundation out of that job right
in the beginning and go to boxing gyms and cross
train on that you're gonna be behind the eight ball.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
We saw it.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
But to bring all the point back home, Luke, I
still feel like if he didn't act so poorly under
fire and then give in and go, I feel like
people would be like, benefit of the dow, give him
a chance. It's m hold no, one get hold on.
Nobody gets good until the third or fourth loss. Anyway,
I feel like he would have been receiving some sympathy.

(47:25):
I think that's the turning point where everybody was like, nah,
f this.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Guy, Okay do you I I believe I believe that
that need to deliver would have dropped a lot of guys.
I don't see that as Nickel unusually imploding or even quitting.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Oh so you think the whole finish was like as
you're watching a real time there was no thought in
your head like wow that was quick or.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Oh no, no, no, yes, yes, here's the problem. So
again he goes for the back of RDR. They stand.
RDR tries to break the hands, doesn't, but uses that
to create space and turns, and then he he sticks
them with that knee and that sets up basically the
beginning of the end. There were several other knees after it,
but that was the first real hard one. As I indicated,

(48:16):
it looked to me BC. If you, first of all,
if you've never been hit by a knee in your
solar plexus or your liver, I don't know how to
explain it. It's not just a function of does it hurt.
It is immobilizing. It is hard to literally move other
than to ball up. They like your body in some ways,
almost takes control of you. This is why when he
folded like that, I don't have a problem with it.

(48:37):
I mean I he was done like well, if he's comparing.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
It to a liver punch and boxing, which it seems
like you are, I certainly understand.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Hold on, let me, let me, let me let me
just yes, yes, but let me just connect the dots.
What I will say, BC, is how about he hits
them with another knee bow, retreats to the fence, and
then you remember this sequence. RDR has one underhook and
he's just kind of pounded on him with these small shots,
and BO is doing nothing to defend except lightly walk

(49:04):
to his right. Do you remember that sequence?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
So that it looked like he didn't even know where
he was orbatly.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
That was the moment where I was like, he's never
been here before, he's.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
He doesn't get hit in practice. Yeah, So, Luke, you're
sometimes you play the voice of the fans, sometimes you
play the voice of the degenerate. But do you feel
like it's fair everyone's dunking on bow right now? I'm
not asking you if that's fair. I'm saying within that dunking,
is it fair to label not as a quitter? But
as as soon as it got hard, that dude was gone.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
To be honest, I want to just say, straight up,
call me a casual, call me whatever. In the moment,
I didn't think that was an early stoppage or anything.
I was just like, oh shit, rdy R is the
better fighter. Bo Nichols kind of got.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Solved there, and that partially true for sure, that's a
yeah part of it.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
But uh, to see so many people be like, oh
he quit, he quit.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Now, I'm going back to Luke being like the whole
fan base hates him, and I'm almost like, I feel
like people are being kind of harsh here, but also
he he's clearly one dimensional and needs some work.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
But like Long Island Luke, here's my read on it.
Like I do think the fans are being a little
bit mean. But again he kind of you know, I mean,
it wasn't like he was reserved and how he talked
about himself for all this time. Here's what I think.
I don't think he quit, but what I do think
is his resistance to pressure is so he hasn't worked

(50:29):
on it at all that it just almost instantly collapsed.
Like all the levels of defense and and and and
resiliency that he's supposed to have, it just melted under
pressure because already are knew exactly what buttons to push
at just the right time, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, let's show the Henry Suhudo tweet. This was the
only kind of support that I saw that bogat publicly,
and so Hudo said, the wrestling world is taken a
hit today. Keep your head up, bo, this is not
the end. I got finished by DJ with a similar
body shot, and I went on to avenge that loss
and become champion. You are cape doing the same. Get
back on your horse, brother. Certainly I liked the bushido

(51:04):
and the support element there. So Hudo also makes a point,
Luke that although we never looked at him as sort
of remedial as we look at Bowden Nickel offensively right now.
Outside of the wrestling, it did take suhudo a bit
where his care levels were called into concern. He had
weight issues. He got to a certain point where he
was like sub elite and had that fight of the

(51:25):
year with Benavidez, but really needed to retool to get
to the position where he was two division champion and
one of the all time greats at this point. I'm
not saying we should declare that bowl will never win
a fight again and never be good at all, but
I'm leaning more toward that than any other combination. How
much is Henry's suhudo right here, though, that he really

(51:47):
could get busy in the gym, start fighting three four
times a year and maybe we'll put this in the
in the rear view mirror. I can't figure out if
this is Edmund Shabazian or not. That's where I'm going
with it.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, I don't think it's Edmund Schabasian.

Speaker 6 (51:59):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I didn't get dude, we haven't even talked about this,
but like, we have to spend some time talking about
how fucking awesome RDR is and dude, RDR, you know
is so experienced and has so much offense that like
that was a In the end, I was like, oh
when we on Friday, I was like, great matchmaking. In

(52:19):
the end, I was like, bro, they didn't do Bo
Nickel any favors. I mean, they just didn't.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
But I don't I.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Don't believe people have tried and including here Henry being like,
oh I lost to to DJ and then I came
back and won and I was all this, you know,
I was much better. I think, you know, the comparison
to BO is a little bit overstated. But I will
say this BC. I will say this, so if you
go and look at Henry's record, not only does he
lose to Demitrius Johnson via a terrible stoppages to indicate

(52:45):
he tries to come back against Benavidez loses that one
to via split. Now I thought he won it, but
it was split. But the point being is he has
this kind of a setback. He didn't get his first
UFC stoppage until after that. It wasn't it was the
karate stance that he abuted against Wilson Hayes, and he
fucked Hayes up right. It was the reinvention from this

(53:07):
terrible setback he'd been suffering that turned him into what
would eventually become Triple C. This is what I mean,
and I started the whole conversation this way. Ultimately, whether
or not he got fraud checked bow Nickel will all
will only depend on how he chooses to use this
moment and what it means for his training. And he
might lose again, just like Sahudo lost back to back,

(53:29):
But if it ultimately is a reinvention, we're gonna look
back and say, you know what, he was a little
bit ahead of himself, but he lost to a great
fighter and he figured it all out. All's well. That
could end well depending on how he takes it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Well, well said, Let's go to that RDR full screen graphic.
This is what he has accomplished in six months as
a UFC fighter. Submission win over Gerald Meershard, first round
submission win over Kevin holland second round stoppage of bow Nickel.
That six months, Luke, he has gone from people going
who is that guy? To us going He's he's at

(54:02):
least a dark horse title challenger. But is he showing
you look that he could be on his way to
like absolutely legit, knock on the door. He could be,
you know, I mean, is it one or two wins away?
Where are we at right now in this arc?

Speaker 1 (54:14):
I don't know exactly how far he is away, but
not far. I think two wins maybe three at the most.
But I don't think they're gonna do that. I think
they're gonna let him have a couple of you know,
top five ish top seven ish wins and that might
be enough to get the job done, depending on how
things go. Dude, what a breath of fresh.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Air he is?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Huh, like this is so great.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
He got a great tan too. I mean, oh yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Mean Florida is doing him some wonders. He didn't get
in that tan and roderdamn, I can tell you that.
But uh, he is such a nice addition to the
middleweight division. He's a nice addition to the sport and
BC here's to the USC More broadly, this is what
I love about him, like he do. He had offense everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.

(54:57):
There was nowhere Nickel could hide. And that's what that's
that's what Nicol didn't I think understand about the Paul craigfight.
It's like you have places to hide in this fight
where he can't touch you, and you're not really touching him,
but you know there's no danger coming your way. Dude,
what did what did RDR do? Whoosh right up to
his face and both rounds and absolutely took control of it.

(55:17):
He goes for submissions, he goes for sweeps. He's got
dynamite knees in the clinch, He'll strike with you at range.
He's got good finishing instincts. Obviously we need I say
more about his submission prowess. Dude, what a fun addition.
Credit to the UFC on this one, right, because they
passed on Soliding Parnass and they passed on any number

(55:38):
of other prospects. You're like, dude, what's going on here? Well,
they didn't pass on RDR. He is breathing life into Yeah,
there's fun at the top of middleweight, but he is
a welcome addition at a bare minimum, and he is
fun and he wants the smoke. What more are you
asking for this guy? And I'm glad you said at BC.
I would be very surprised if he doesn't contend for

(55:59):
a title. How soon, I don't know, but I think
he will.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I mean, look, he's making big moves, and I think
here's the clear change for him. When I used to
interview him when he was with One, he would speak
very directly about his path, and you know, he had
big goals. He wanted to be a three division champion
in one. He wanted to go up to heavyweight and
beat all those guys. And after especially the first match
with Malakoff, when he just got beaten, I mean like
a drum. He was really humbled by that. He now,

(56:25):
when I interviewed him out of his UFC debut, he
talked about really like that was the turning point moment
in his career where he had to get back to reality.
So when he talked about coming into this UFC run,
he was telling me exclusively, I'm just kind of fun.
I'm not gonna put any pressure on myself in terms
of where I'm going. Yeah, I want to fight for
a title, but if I don't get there, that's fine.
I just want to go out there and have fun

(56:46):
and be with the top play organization. Dude. Maybe it
was that switch to not caring as much that's put
him in this position. He took fights on short notice,
He's got three wins in six months, and now we
had a pretty damn good call. Here is RDR after
the fight at the press conference saying who he wants next?

Speaker 8 (57:05):
So after the fight, you called out Sean Strickland.

Speaker 7 (57:07):
I mean, that's obviously an interesting guy to cool out
and bring into your life because you're probably gonna have
three months of abuse and hatred towards you.

Speaker 8 (57:14):
What is it about the Sean Strickland fight that I
see you so much?

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I think I might be regretting it in a little bit. Yeah, but.

Speaker 12 (57:21):
Now, as I said in the cage, this was the
best American wrestler, Let's do the best American striker. I
like Sean. He's a funny dude. He's a real character.
And is he still he's top five?

Speaker 9 (57:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Like what rankings? Three?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Four?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (57:36):
But and I think it's an interesting matchup style wise.
He is a very good job. I don't think my
job is too bad.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yeah. I would like that fighter, would really like that fight.

Speaker 8 (57:47):
Do you have a timeline for when you would like
to do that fight?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Next week? Montreal, baby, let's go.

Speaker 8 (57:55):
Congratulations on the one when.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
There look just just some times you gotta say fuck
it and just go for it.

Speaker 13 (58:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
It's kind of what he's doing, don't you think, though.
I mean, the one impediment to this would be that
they does the UFC want to punt on Izzy Strickland two.
That's a big fight, at least promotionally. It's a big fight.
They're not gonna skip that's right. So that's what he's
kind of up against. But nevertheless, I mean, you know,
I was looking to see when that GM three fight
it was in November. I was gonna say to myself, Jesus,

(58:23):
could you imagine if he did all of this? I know,
six months, but you know, could you imagine if it
was all in twenty twenty five? He would be like
already a lock for Fighter of the Year or something.
It's just an insane, you know run that he's on.
Either way, I don't even care what is next, as
long as it's some kind of escalation. Dude, give him
Fluffy Hernandez, give him Brendan Allen. Any of these fights
are freaking awesome. Make it because he is a guaranteed deliverer.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Would you hate him against a Vittori who's on kind
of coming down at the moment. I mean, and I
don't know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Know if that would now now that one, that one,
I wouldn't hate it. I don't know if that's the
best choice, but I wouldn't hate it.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you on that one. Good stuff, Luke.
Let's we spent a lot of time on this comin event,
probably for rifle reasons, but we do have to mention
a few other things that happened there. Jeremy Stevens tying
Clay Guida's UFC record with nineteen losses even though we
got main card treatment, got a big pop from the crowd,
fought like a badass through head kicks and blood, but

(59:21):
would fall the Mason Jones. Now, this is Stevens falling
to one, nine and one in his last eleven MMA bouts.
In hindsight, are you okay with him getting like the
hometown victory lap he was in this fight, But that's
a gaudy bad record now with nineteen all time ls.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Right, yeah, I mean, this is one of those ones
where like I think I can, I can definitely look
the other way this time. Right, It's the Iowa thing.
He's been there for a long time or was there
a long time? And also like when they were exchanging
on the feet but taking the second round BC, he
was given Mason Jones some problems. I mean again, I've
seen the scores thirty twenty seven across the board, but
like Jones took that fight to the third round, to

(01:00:00):
the ground in the third round for a very particular reason,
and it's fine. But like Stevens, you can see why
he's still got a lot of life left if he's
boxing Josealdo or doing BKFC. I think he's still a
very viable competitor. But to the point you raise in
MMA at this level, it doesn't make sense anymore, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
We never talked about strawweight Jillian Robertson, but we might
want to start. She retired Marina Hadriguez on Saturday by
second round TKO. She's also improved to six and one
since twenty twenty two, and if we can show the picture,
she's very cannabis friendly, Luke, I mean, look, this division

(01:00:41):
has seen better days, but she's kind of becoming a
refreshing story in there is she not?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I didn't see this one coming. I'll just be honest
with you, I didn't see it coming, and here she is,
and she's starting to get a win streak where you're like, man,
she might be undeniable at this point in terms of
like the meritocracy or the where she rais's in terms
of the title shot Q this is this is dude.
She she demolished Marina Hardriguez, like she beat the shit
out of her. And to the point you raised a

(01:01:09):
minor setback in this broader wind streak that she's been on.
But otherwise is does out here dealing putting away some
big names too, Like she's got a little bit of that,
you know, if you look at her record, BC, she's
got a little bit of that Joaquin Buckley thing going
on where she beats uh no, that's not quite right. Well,
a little halfway halfway she beats you know, Michelle Watterson

(01:01:29):
Gomez kind of a name in that division that Marina Hadriguez,
certainly not less than a name, but more of a stalwart.
Not quite comparison's a bit stretched. But the point I'm
trying to make here is that's what you're calling yeah,
something like that. But the point I'm trying to make
is BC. Here, by the way, Dean Thomas. Look, look
what he's been doing for Sean Brady. I mean, all
credit to Sean, he's amazing. But you know, Kevin Dean
probably hasn't hurt and Dean Thomas has been in the

(01:01:50):
corner of Jillian Robinson for a long time. Man, she
is really starting to put something special here together. I
would not be for sure she's gonna contend for a title.
And do we really feel like that gets out of
the question she could win it. I don't. I don't think.
I don't think that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
She'd have to. There's another step up in terms of
like a stalwart, an elite that's been there that she's
gonna have to be. And if she can get there,
then I'll then I'll believe. But I've never believed in
her this much after seeing like the attitude, the swagger,
the way she's carrying herself. She's figured out how to
get the best out of herself, and that's what we
want for any every single fighter, you know. So that's

(01:02:31):
great to see. Shout out to de Rod Daniel Ardriguez
stopping Santiago Ponzinibbio creating that fun picture of d Rod
celebrating while Ponzi is leaning. Also, Killer Miller coming off
of a two year layoff, got gotta win. It was
gross and the curtain jerker, Luke Thomas, anything else in
this undercard? Do you want to highlight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
The ASA Matt Bakoyev fight against Ryan Loder BC. Ryan
Loder doesn't even have a Wikipedia entry and he won
the old Simate fighter.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Did you know that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I did not know that? Years old?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Now, Luke anyway asked him at mcoy have punched his
lights out in two and a half minutes, basically in
the first round. I don't know much about him, but
they looked pretty good. So let's see a little bit more.
We could always use, you know, another another exciting entrant
into the middleweight sweepstakes. I suppose Long Island.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Luke, you love the undercards, you love the main card minute,
you love the green stuff. But who'd you love on
this card?

Speaker 14 (01:03:30):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Good, good call, Luke? Shouting out boy. I got to
give a shout out to Kwang Lee Kuang Lee. He
rear naked, choked, Gaston out cold.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
That was that was sick.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Also, he was an underdog, so that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Was I like this card overall.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
It was fine, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
It started really strong. As soon as Jeremy Stevens got
taken down in round three, it hit like a weird
hour and a half lull and then it came back alive.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Did it did to that point?

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
To that point, long, Luke, Like round three of Jeremy Stevens,
it goes quiet for the next two fights, and then
even to the first two rounds of the d Rod
Ponzinibio fight, it was kind of quiet, but then he
polishes them off in the third and then it picked
up the rest of the way. It was like that.
That was the bracketing round three of Jones and Stevens,
round three of Ponzinibio.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
D Run, Yeah, and that was like a two hours going,
oh god, this card is getting brutal, but it came
back around.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Lucas time to let Total Wireless be the pat Berry
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Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
If it makes me a champion, that's what That's what
I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
That's the most Luke, you're the best. All right, Hey,
let's go to topic number three. Although although shout out
to Niowa in a way and Ramon Cardinas on Sunday
Night's top ranked card, which I don't know if saved
the weekend is the right verbiage, but gave us something
to enjoy and talk about what was otherwise a monstrous

(01:06:34):
bust for Cinco de Mayo and the ambitious plans, at
least in this weekend of Turkey Ala Chic one week
after Turkey kicked off his new The Ring series after
buying Ring Magazine and you know, refurbishing the brand to
a much greater height. When we saw Chris you Bank
and Connor Ben give us the fight of the year.
Turkey brought that ambition into this weekend, but he didn't

(01:06:56):
have the same results in this multi continent two day
that was Friday in Times Square and then Canelo Alvarez
leading the charge on Saturday in Riod. But there were
a lot of issues here. Mostly Three of the six
worst and most boring fights in kampio box history happened

(01:07:16):
on Turkey Alos sheet cards on back to back nights.
Three of total combined punches thrown the fewest, including the
number one all time of a twelve round bout Canelo
versus William Skull School excuse me, and Canelo also, by
the way, in a single performance throwing the least amount
of punches in twelve round CompuBox history. So look, we

(01:07:38):
saw lack of urgency, We saw multiple starfighters see their
their marketability kind of plummet at least for the minute,
and we saw I can't miss Garcia Hani rematch. Go
from you know we need it now to maybe unnecessarily
and unwanted. So from the debacle of the Times Square
being contested behind Big fen Is with billionaires on the

(01:08:01):
inside and influencers to Canelos School going on at six
am local time in front of less than four thousand
people in Saudi Arabia. How would you grade as a
whole what has typically been boxing's biggest weekend of the
calendar year after what we saw the last three nights.

(01:08:24):
F whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
That's not even not an in a way curve, I'll
give that single. Okay, here's what I'm gonna say, in
a way, Cardenas, I'll give an a a two. I'll
give an a two. But that's how bad the first
two nights were. They're so bad that I can respect. Like,
if you guys didn't see the Naway fight last night,
it's fucking great, Like, go see it. He gets dropped

(01:08:50):
in the second and then rot rallies is a strong word,
but then kind of surges late and then basically just
ends up, you know, having an Abomba on the guy.
But like, you know, it's drama the whole way through.
It's it's fantastic, But that's how bad the first Like literally,
I'm telling you this, folks. Arguably for Friday and Saturday night,
or at least if you're just counting even Saturday night,

(01:09:12):
arguably one of the worst weekends in modern boxing history,
if not the worst that's what we're talking about here,
a disaster in every possible way that it essentially could
have been a nightmare BC, and it was a nightmare,
I think in two different ways. Right. Partly the issue

(01:09:32):
is Canelo is clearly just going through the motions school
or skull, I mean, school is just a Hispanic pronunciation.
But whatever he could he had, he had no belief
he could win, and it was obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
I thought he was winning, Luke, that was the problem.
He thought he was winning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
He claimed he thought he was winning. He wasn't winning,
do he. I don't mind hit and not get hit fighters,
but in his case, you have to hit. It's not
good enough to just not get hit, and he wasn't
doing that, and that was to me driving me absolutely insane,
and Canel obc he's I don't know if he's finished.
I know, maybe that's a little bit of a strong word, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Well, I'm gonna ask you specific questions about that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
In a second.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
I wanted to kind of put a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Wrap overall overall what was supposed to be a weekend
that kind of highlights both the Mexican American contribution to boxing,
but you know, highlights boxing more broadly, to MEBC it did.
It did a little bit the opposite. They created a
series of events that pulled boxing out of the context

(01:10:37):
in what makes boxing special. It is not a coincidence
that you know. Listen, no one thought Cardenas was like
the guy to challenge in a way, but they at
least had the decency to put it in a big arena.
They had the decency to put it on linear television.
They made it accessible to some degree. I mean, you

(01:10:59):
could argue with the promoter in what ESPN did for
him putting a power for pound talent at ten PM
on a Sunday, but even that is better than just
putting it behind a paywall on Dizonne or BC putting
it behind a weird red curtain that like. I was
talking with another MMA media member about this over text
and he was like, Oh, it feels like a COVID show.
I'm like, it feels like the Palace of Versailles, where

(01:11:22):
the pores are on the outside who can't enjoy anything,
and they're just walled off to what the the insiders
and the elite get to enjoy at the expense of
everybody else. And then they're taking Canelo out of the
thing that kind of makes him Canelo, and they're putting
it in this other context and it was a duds.

(01:11:45):
You nobody there, see nobody there boxing culture to you know,
especially on Sinco de Mayo. It is Mexican culture. I mean,
I'm not the I'm not the expert on Mexican culture.
I'm just an observer from Afar. But it's like, if
you've ever seen Sinco Demayo with Canelo in Vegas or whatever, Bro,
it's unfucking mistakable what that is. And if you take
the things that make boxing work in those ways and

(01:12:06):
you remove it, it doesn't work the same anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
And shout out to in a way and Cardiness, as
you mentioned, shout out to that crowd at T Mobile Arena.
I believe they got about eight thousand, but it was
a it was a strong shout.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
And and and you know, obviously the fight's delivered. But
what I watched on Friday and Saturday, this ain't it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
This ain't it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
And I know, like you know, if you've read Thomas
Hauser's piece on The Guardian about sort of the behind
the scenes story of Turkey getting Times Square and getting
cleared from the major many many hurdles by the city. Ultimately,
I think a lot of the things they got criticized
for the high fences and stuff like that, it turned
out to be out of their control. But they stuck
stubbornly to putting it in Times Square. And I get

(01:12:49):
the the novelty of it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I was for it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
I get all that, but it stopped being about boxing
at all, and it kind of stopped being about the boxers,
even though these were the guys that sold this big event, right.
All the fantastic trash talk between Ryan and Garcia, and
not against his opponent really, but to Devin Haney and
the Cole Maine to teo femo for, you know, to
tease a future fight above the one they're already teasing.

(01:13:15):
I love a lot of that, but I don't love
the execution at how this was rolled out. We tried
to give you the benefit of the doubt for the
things come in that we didn't like that were potentially damaging,
which is, you're making people buy three pay per views
in eight days on the Zone, even with like a
ten dollars discount. If you bundle like, you're still making
them do things that are not in theory for the sport, right,

(01:13:37):
This isn't on national television, this isn't on Netflix. It's
behind the paywall on an app that only boxing fans
have in the States anyway. And then you talk up
this big game about how the public can enter, and
you put out these pieces of artwork showing a ring
in Times Square in every direction you see thousands of people.
And whether it was your fault or not that it

(01:13:58):
played out the way it did, it played out the
worst possible way for you know, first impressions when you
watch it large fences. The public couldn't even be behind
the fences. They had to go a couple blocks down
and watch on screens with or two screens with no sound.
Media like we said earlier, weren't allowed in. It was
billionaire connections, influencers, cool people. Okay, if it still delivered

(01:14:25):
fun fights, we'd kind of be ridiculous sitting here critiquing
it with such a fine tune pen. But here's the deal.
It actually effed with the fights itself. It wasn't just
oh shit, man, Devin Haney put on the worst possible
performance for his brand, although he got the win against
Jose Ramirez, And what we thought was the worst fight

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we've ever seen until the fight after it. It was
contagious across the board. An't know Brobosa and the tail
fight barely let his hands go. However they they did
that it wasn't for the fighters or the sport, and
I don't think it's ever been. I know you can
argue capitalism and greed, is it ever for these power promoters? Well,
if it's not, the real ones can see right through it.

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And one of those real ones is Timothy Bradley Junior,
the Hall of Fame boxer, the top break announcer. He
went on an epic rant. We captured part of it here.
Even if I'm not like fully agreeing in every category
one hundred percent, I think this is the closest words
that I've heard echoing what I feel in my heart
about what riodd season has become. Because it's not just

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have you enjoyed the ride with Turkey or have you not?
It's that you're now opening a new prism where you're
gonna partner with the UFC and TKO, who have nothing
but unhappy fans right now in MMA and pro wrestling,
based on a lot of their tactics of late and
now you're gonna take this sport and maybe create more
weekends like this. Let's hear from Tim Bradley.

Speaker 15 (01:15:53):
Ider's own there. They don't have to passion, bro, they
don't have to desire bro at all. Everybody is spoiled nowadays.
These fighters are all spoiled. And it's all to y'all man,
that y'all love all the y'all, y'all older, to y'all man,
that y'all love all y'all all, y'all, all those.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Guys out there, all the people that love loved is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Man that yall.

Speaker 15 (01:16:12):
I ain't say nothing, I ain't say no name but
y'all A. But I'm just saying, spoiling these guys.

Speaker 13 (01:16:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
These guys are making way too much money.

Speaker 8 (01:16:21):
And I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
They'll say, oh, ho money, money, money, money bro.

Speaker 15 (01:16:24):
To get that, to get that those type of performances, bro,
Come on bro, no passion, no drive, no hunger. Fighters
are whack, straight up whack, all of them, straight trash whack.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
That was That was That was horrible to watch yesterday.

Speaker 16 (01:16:42):
Man.

Speaker 15 (01:16:43):
I was so angry man, And you can still see
I'm so angry about it because I'm like, oh, that's
all that's a that wasn't no boxing event.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
That wasn't a boxing event last night, Man, that was
quote unquote entertainment.

Speaker 15 (01:16:56):
That's what that's That was the only thing that was
attached to that entertainment with.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
No boxing event. That won, no real box event. Who
the fuck shows up in the car?

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Who who does that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Bro?

Speaker 15 (01:17:07):
The whole event was just bizarre. It seemed like it
was there exactly, Bro, because it was a flex. It
was a flex.

Speaker 13 (01:17:18):
Bro.

Speaker 15 (01:17:18):
That was a flex in New York's face. Bro, that
was a straight up flex, man. All that's what that was,
straight flex.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Look what we can do. It wasn't about the fighters.
The fighters were ponds, that's all. It was about the
fighters of pawns.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
The real agenda, you don't know the real agenda.

Speaker 15 (01:17:34):
But at the end of the day, I'll just say this, man,
I never want to see something like that ever again.
I never want to see something like that again. If
you fight us, if you fighters are not passionate about
about being the best out there, Bro, don't get in
the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Don't don't get in the ring. Please don't get the ring.
Save my time, Bro. That was so damn disappointing.

Speaker 12 (01:17:54):
Bro.

Speaker 15 (01:17:54):
You wasted my time last night, Bro, I was angry
watching that trash anyways, from one front, So.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
That was before the Canelo fight card ever happened, which
again Canelo would have been t Mobile Arena, Allegiant Stadium,
Jerry World. Like wherever you put him in there, he
draws a monstrous crowd, a huge live gate. It becomes
a cultural event, it's a celebration for some of Mexican heritage,
or for some just this is boxing super Bowl night,

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and you took Canelo, put him in against the lowest
profile opponent possible, even though I obviously understand what the
goal was with undisputed there and the worst style matchup,
and then we get a Canelo that didn't look like
he cared that much. But it's also seven thirty am
local time, like this is if it was if it
was just Friday, I don't think we could be there's

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a limit to our criticism. But these back to back
nights they just kind of showed like if this is
the future of where boxing's going. And then on top
of it, we're only going to add in TKO and
Dana White and the recent tone of how UFC has
been handled, promoted and presented, not to even mention the
Ali Act and the chain, you know, the purses and
all that. Like the only thing I don't fully agree

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with on Bradley's rent and I want to get your
take here, Luke, is I don't want it to be
all about oh, these guys are getting too much money,
because I think that's too convenient for Dana White and
company to be like, well, we know how to fix that.
I think it's more like this style of matchmaking, this
fantasy style of just picking any two and putting them
against each other, like you had a can't miss rematch
that I know that's our next topic. We're gonna slide

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into it in a second. But like people don't even
want it anymore, like everything that went wrong could have
And I think Bradley's right. It wasn't about boxing. This
was the most like I'm not even gonna go the
political side of it, but nothing here was about boxing
in the end, and about the thing that actually makes it.
Same thing with Canelo Saturday morning, Sunday morning, Saturday night,
in the middle of the desert, in front of nobody.

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This is this, ain't it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
This is not it very basic, It's just a very
basic question, who does Turkey serve? Who does he serve?
Does he serve boxing or does boxing serve him? Because
he I don't think he serves boxing. That's not to
say he can't make good fights. He's made some good fights.
P see, he's made good fights. He wastes a lot
of money, dude, I don't know. I mean, it's an
insane amount of money. He's burned. But I'm saying the

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record does not show that Turkey makes nothing but bad fights.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
That's That's not a week ago we were like, way
to go, Uncle, Uncle tou to, way to go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Okay, like holy shit. But I just want to just
to wrap this up on this particular line item. Who
does Turkey serve? He serves the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,
and so everything that they do, ultimately, whether in the
short term or the long term, whether it's visible or not,
everything is in service to those interests, and whether or
not it's in the long term interest of boxing or

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more in particular, for our audience's sake here we have
a global audience, but for us fans, whether or not
that serves us interests, and whether or not it serves
garcias or Haines or anybody else's interests may or may
not happen. And you have to understand that there's a
dividing line. Always ask yourself what is when Turkey works
to day night? For this, it's in service to who.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Just remember this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Wasn't to the fans on pay per view. You couldn't
even watch it. There's fences up everywhere. Let's show the
tweet here from longtime boxing scribe Ryan Songalia. This was
also part of it, Luke the The one unfortunate development
of the time Square fights is that New York boxing
gyms will offer tickets to watch the fight, only to
arrive and only be granted access to soundless screens several
blocks away, penned in areas without seats to act as

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extras for when the TV feed wanted to show crowdshots,
Lots of people arrived and then would watch the fights
from home. This is just another example of it like
that's not for the fans, that's not for the people.
And then on top of it, and look, that's part
of what you accept with the Turkey experience. You accept
the sports washing. You accept the fact that that Friday
thing was more like Tim Bradley said, a flex than anything.

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But then when you not only don't get good fights
for all the effort put in, you actually get some
of the worst fights we've ever seen. You just crushed
and killed a rematch. You just crushed the brands of
the fighters and some of the others fault, there's no question.
But when it's all negative at once and you have
the worst weekend ever, I think it's a wake up
called a boxing and goo, is this actually the direction

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we want to go? Let's see that quick tweet from
MVP Luke when we talk about the the overall punching
issues there. Amanda Serrano threw one hundred through three hundred
and twenty four punches in November of last year in
the rematch with Katie Taylor. They combined Barbosa, Ryan Garcia,
Devin Haney, and Canelo over the weekend combined for three

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nineteen combined. For Luke, let's quickly talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Oh wait, those are two minute rounds she's fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
In, Yeah, and two on top of that in two
minute rounds. All right, let's talk about it. There was
good from that Friday card. Good for Rolla Romero and
by extension, PBC pulling a monstrous upset in the main
event over Ryan Garcia. We'll got a quick sound from
Roly and then we'll get Luke's take on this fight.
Didn't they have a fucking hotel room for me?

Speaker 9 (01:22:58):
They fucked up my gloses of a fun ding given
o'damn cordeine nothing iron care.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
I kept it cool.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I kept it cool, didn't want to putting no damn
money and ask growing nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
And look at this ship.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
They all had a fucking plan and look at this ship.
I don't fuck I destroyed everything they fucking had. Luke,
we're gonna shift to the Austrian Ryan Garcia part of
that conversation a second, but just from Rolly you kind
of hear how he was treated like the B side,
like the opponent brought in to take a big al
and we did all predicted. By the way, how good

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of a win is this for ROLI? Will it always
come with an asterisk? Or did this kind of save
his top end career?

Speaker 10 (01:23:40):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
I think this was actually a pretty big win. I mean,
in the end, he drops him in what round was
that the second round? Third round? Yeah, sig round. So
that's obviously the highlight, because the rest of that fight
did kind of suck. But this is why it was
important for ROLLIBC. Is not just that he wonted that
he dropped Garcia, that's big, but it was that he
fought discipline and tactically through the duration. Like in short,

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if you didn't see this fight, maybe you saw the knockdown.
They didn't show highlights beyond that, but like it was
kind of boring after that. However, Roly out boxed him.
I don't know how else to say it. Roly out
boxed him BC. I just did not think he had
it in him after the loss to Tank, which was
fine because he was getting overly aggressive in Tank's an
unforgiving puncher. But then like Pitbull Cruz fucked him up.

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And we talked about the Barroso fight, which was just
a mess because I was like I had lost total
confidence in him BC. Credit to Rollly Romero. I didn't
believe in him, and I'm sure many others, and it
looked like, obviously the promotion in this particular case had
no faith in him, and that's why they booked him
in the contest. Oops, he upset the apple cart and
you and we'll talk about this, I know, whatever you

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want to say about Garcia's condition and whatever the reality is,
it's also undeniably true that Roly had a good answer,
a well prepared answer for Garcia's left hook. He neutralized it,
and Garcia had no way to ever get back into
the fight. Roley did that to him, no debate about it, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
He disciplined him to not trying to almost giving up,
almost in a way that I relate to what Vulk
did to Jose Aldo in that fight. He almost frustrated
him so bad that he dissuaded him from just yeah,
like whatever, we'll just go, We'll walk it out and
go the distance. I gotta give Roly credit for that,
the defense that he committed to to not leave an
opening for that left hook, and then he showed you
when he's at full Walter. Wait, he's an absolutely legitimate puncher.

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He's also very raw and is going to be beat
by many elites. But this was a breakthrough performance in
those levels of maturity. It's wild that he pulled off
an upset and did it by unanimous decision. It's crazy,
all right. Quickly, before we transition into the Garcia Hainey talk,
one more thing, Luke, this is kind of like state
run media now when we had the Pat McAfee pregame

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show on his own there. But check out this question
with Booker T and Turkey focusing on maybe reframing the
idea of what the ALI Act is and does.

Speaker 16 (01:26:02):
You talk about the life blood of boxing and the
life blood of the fighters as well. How important it
is for you to actually be able to help facilitate
these boxers because I always talk about the ALI Act.
The il act is all about, you know, taking care
of the boxers. And now with your help, the box
is going to be in such better places.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
I want there was something as example, I meet yesterday
all the fighters, all of them, and I say to them,
win or lose, we will still do business with you.

Speaker 16 (01:26:35):
This is mean for them a lot to accept fight
like this now with the good money, with the good commercial,
with a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Good place, with the good fights. He can take you
the risk before why I take the risk?

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
No money, my promoters doesn't support this fight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I will do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Normal fights. And that's it, dude, that's a lot of propaganda.
Pushed the planted question to Booker T, putting it forth
like you already do these great things for these fighters,
and I know the changes you make to the ALIAC
will only help that in the long run.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Yeah, can I give you some details on that please.
So we haven't seen any draft legislation yet, but what
I've been told by folks in the know is that
what TKO is looking to do is two things. BCEE
one frame the idea that promoters can create their own
titles as like adding more opportunity. And it's like, I

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don't understand how the argument is like, oh, there's too
many titles in boxing, let's just add more because that's
more opportunity. It's it's self refuting. But obviously we know
what they want to do. They want to use their
titles at the expense of everyone else and then help
that use that to help control the talent. Right, that's
the whole point. But what they might do on the
front end of the ALIAC, aside from this Orwellian framing

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of you know, it's more opportunity, is and this is
not a bad thing. They might introduce some minimum standards
per round into the legislation. And they might introduce some
legislation that improves pre fight medical screening. And to be clear,
like nobody's against that, nobody's against improve pre fight medical screening,
and some minimum pay standards as it relates to what

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you get paid per route. Again, whether these make it
into final draft legislation and whatnot, I don't know, but
that's what I'm told that they're seeking to do. And
of course the point is obvious. B See, they're doing
that as a way to like, you know, a spoonful
of sugar helps the medicine go down, right, It's both
a distraction and you're like, oh, we're creating more opportunity,
we're putting more safety standards in, we're creating better pay.

(01:28:35):
But that's all just a red herring because the stuff
they're introducing as bare minimums don't affect their business anyway.
And then, more to the point, the whole game is
controlling their own titles, So just be on the lookout
for that as you As they try to manufacture consent
for this, they're going to try and find ways to
show that this is actually pro fighter when don't be fooled,
it quite obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Is not right. And if they can get it drastically changed,
the biggest thing that they would want changed is the
uh transparency that the ALI Act provides so that when
fighters get paid they get to see how much the
promoter took, they get to see all, they get to
see a full print out of the entire breakdown of
what happened. They'd love to take that away too, don't
don't you don't you believe that?

Speaker 12 (01:29:16):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Uh, I'm sure they're gonna pump up ways where where
they'll promote that that it's helping the fighters. But to
see it played out like this now on these very
I mean that that was a the Zone show that
streamed live on the WWE social networks too, and you
know they're they, I mean they use McAfee aggressively to
to kind of be their spokesman to the casuals of
like this, this is the you know, this is the

(01:29:38):
new message. This is the new It's it's it's still
state run media, it's but it's a hip way of
presenting it. Luke, it's kind of wild.

Speaker 10 (01:29:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
You can't run against the Ali act. I think you
know that cryptic comment that already, I mean you'll have
back on Pat McAfee whenever long ago. You know, you
can't run against it. But what you can do is,
oh we can, actually we can make it better. We're
gonna we're gonna embrace the aliac. That's what you can,
so be the lookout for that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
And look, I'd like to break down Tayo Femo's win
and what he does. There's just not enough time, and
rightfully so, Luke, or not rightfully so, but like justifiably so.
All the headlines from these two days did unfortunately drawn
out with what I thought was a return to a
top level form and a nice win by Teo Febo
Lopez Junior against Arnold Barbosa Junior. But topic number four, Luke,

(01:30:21):
let's get into the Garcia Hany side of this and
the fact that the rematch now appears to be blown
up after King Ryan got exposed in an absolute snoozer
of a fight against Roller Romero, which is only fueled
or relitigated this whole austereing gait and the whole idea
now off. Not just was Ryan Garcia on peds the

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first time when he fought Hany their last bout, but
was he off of it now? And you saw the
extreme difference right there. There's a sensitive topic, but it's
now a very understandable one. For the record, Devin Haney
is saying publicly that he still wants to rematch, and
he's gonna push forth his contract, he says, to get it.
But it's definitely worthy of debate whether there should or
whether anyone even wants it after what could not have

(01:31:05):
been two worse fights for the story they were trying
to sell. I wasn't against that story, you know, like
I wanted both guys to get a tune up, but
this was disastrous. So luke for all the backlash that
Devin Haney received last year when he got dropped three
times by Ryan Garcia, when he sued him in the
aftermath and didn't fight again and really just had a
horrible year from a pr standpoint, then you've got Garcia

(01:31:31):
coming out with an absolutely soulless performance in his upset
loss to ROLLI did the dreadful Times Square card ultimately
teach us though, that we owed Devin Haney an apology
for the narrative that came out of their fight last
year being changed from an upset win to a no
contest due to the drug tests, or in any way
do you think his own inexcusable performance in the coman

(01:31:53):
against Jose Ramirez is enough of a stain that just
overrides this whole topic of Ryan Garcia and whether we
owe Haney a big man culpa.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
I think this card is much more destructive to so
many things than we realized. First of all, I don't
have to apologize to Devin Haney, because I was never
one of these guys that afterwards, I know suing is
not the thing that I thought would have been the
best idea, And there's no denying that it was over
the it resulted in bad pr. I brought this up
on Friday's MK. Did I not with UBC that I

(01:32:26):
was like, did we really have to kill him for?

Speaker 12 (01:32:27):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Turns out he might have had a point. Turns out
he might have had a point. First of all, I didn't.
I didn't hate seeing Ryan Garcia suffer a loss here
at all. I'll just be completely honest with you. Number one. Yes,
he was more professional this time around, and I think
he's trying to live a more sober life, and that's
good as far as it goes. But everything to me
was connected in April of twenty twenty four, the fact

(01:32:49):
that he missed wait with some evidence arguably intentionally. Yes,
he has some plausible deniability around the Osteen, but he
was defiant that anything could have even possibly been true,
and then he getting arrested in hotel rooms. He's going
on these tours of not just a little bit of racism, BC, insane,
Like I can't I can't even like halfway even attempt

(01:33:12):
to repeat it because of how insane it is. And
much more than that, Muslims and gays, the whole nine,
Like anybody could get it. He was just spraying the block.
He was just dripping with mania and poison, and he
did not care who got hurt in the process, whether
it was some group he was slandering, or whether or
not it was an opponent in Devin Haney. So to

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see the boxing gods come around and just completely flip
the switch on him, I have to tell you that
was not difficult at all for me to watch. Just
matter of factly, I'll say that number one. But more
to the point, BC, I'm gonna say it again, Garcia
does have some plausible deniability around osterin It is one
of the contaminants that you'll find in sports supplementation that

(01:33:54):
tends to pop up more than others. That's real. The
problem is if you act like an absolutely insane, drug
addled person, and then you go and have a i'm
gonna say surprisingly good performance, and I know BC that
I'm never gonna live it down that guard I said
Hani was gonna tune Ryan up like a guitar. But

(01:34:16):
maybe now folks can see why I was never a
big believer in Ryan Garcia. I don't think he's very good.
I'm gonna just say it out loud. I don't think
he's very good. He was certainly good in April of
twenty twenty four when he thought Devin Haney, no question
about it, but I think the overall record of evidence
suggests he's not necessarily all that great, and this was
something of a reminder of it. So, even with these

(01:34:36):
points of plausible deniability that he does have to his credit,
if you're gonna come out in a rebound fight where
you are widely expected to look good and you look
like a cheap facsimile of what the guy in April
of twenty twenty four turned in, you now, at a
bare minimum, invite extraordinary scrutiny about what you were doing

(01:34:59):
before or how Devin Haney was treated all by the way,
all of the hangers on who thought the Ryan Garcia
Mania party was funny or cool or let's look the
other way when he's saying outrageous things about black people,
Like all of those folks have gone very quiet because

(01:35:21):
I think it has dawned on him that they had
hitched their wagon to a guy who has at least
at that moment in time, a rancid heart to act
the way that he did. Now again I think he is.
It looks qull indications. B see he's trying to make
positive change. It's as good as far as it goes.
I hope it continues. But this is what I want
to point out. That's just the Garcia fight. Hany comes

(01:35:44):
back and just looks like damaged goods. I don't A
rebound can take time. It doesn't necessarily happen in one fight.
That's true for Garcia, and that's gonna be true for Hani.
Let's see how things go. But he looked like he
was just you know, I'm not going to hang out
for survival, but not willing to take a bunch of risk. BC.
Not only was this event bad for boxing broadly, and

(01:36:06):
then bad for Garcia and to an extent HAINI Stock,
it destroys the whole Four Kings narrative of this era,
the Four Princes era, completely, it's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
It doesn't existing part of it now. Obviously, we have
to remember that this is boxing. You're only as good
as your last performance in the narrative changes so quickly,
and Ryan just showed that, because I think the biggest
story takeaway for me is that he's now fooled me
twice and that's going to be the last time he
fools me, Meaning he fooled me to believe he wasn't
even fit to step through those ropes against Haini mentally,

(01:36:37):
and part of it was him fooling us. Obviously, he
also was going through a lot and was batchit crazy
and on Osterereene and on self admittedly a lot of
other crazy things at the time. So but he fooled
me again this time to believe that some of what
happened in April inside the ring was also some of
his natural maturity and physically and all so mentally added

(01:37:01):
with what he went through last year and a lot
of itself imposed for sure, and I'm not apologizing for that,
but he was also going through a lot of life trauma,
so I thought he was going to come out of
that from the divorce, his mom's cancer scare, all of that,
in almost losing his kids in that arrest, to being
dedicated in training. The videos look good, his comments said

(01:37:22):
a lot about him coming in his confidence. Then to
see this performance, you're right, Luke, it brings back all
the old stereotypes and scares and thoughts we had where
we yes gave him credit for getting up off the
deck against Luke Campbell and knocking him out and gutting
out a win that is still still screams to be
his strongest on his resume short of Hany. Right, but

(01:37:45):
he's a rollercoaster since then, and he was great against Hany.
But I can no longer believe that, like it seems
we see that there's a mythical creature, just like twenty
thirteen Trt Belfort there was April of twenty four string Garcia,
Like that's that's just And I'm not saying, Luke, here's
the problem. It's like, you know, I care about Ryan

(01:38:05):
as a person in terms of you don't. I don't
want to see, even with all the crap he's pulled,
his life going to turmoil. But you almost got to
ask yourself in a sick twisted boxing way is does
that produce the best version of him? You know what
I mean? And how is he going to mentally rebound
from this? It felt like he was fighting back tears.
But this was an awful performance. Here's Ryan at the

(01:38:26):
press conference afterwards. It's gonna be an interesting to see.
I mean, his life has felt like a reality show.
But I certainly wish him well and in dealing with
this loss and hopefully in a way it can respark him.
But I don't know after hearing this, just.

Speaker 10 (01:38:40):
Even in the start of the fighting, just didn't feel
like my feet run to me, like like I had
anything very off after the year layoff. I'm extremely disappointing
in the way I thought it felt like a spar
match and it felt like it just didn't feel authentic
to me. But you don't no excuses. Didn't feel there
at all. One of those things where I was like, man,

(01:39:00):
I don't know what's going on. Nothing was clicking, like
once you step in the ring, everything fades away. This
time I went into the ring and I could hear
everybody should curb Richardson. Everybody like just screaming stuff. I
don't know why I didn't zone it out was weird,
Like it just felt like a weird fever dream just happened.
It's just so awkward, Like I don't know why, Like

(01:39:21):
EG fights don't feel that way. It just feels like
you're in it and you're fighting. You don't hear nobody, nothing.
So yeah, that was a little different. I got to
figure it out up here. You'll see that aggression come out.
I just didn't have that and have that aggression to
go go kill. You know, you gotta have that in
the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Look it. You know, it was like Rose and aspar
as the title rematch, it just didn't make sense. There
was a disconnect. I don't like. I think it's everything
at once. It's the fact that the time square card
was weird for the fighters. It's the fact that he
got knocked down and disciplined in round two. But you
have to agree, the most disappointing part of this was
that when that fight got difficult, he had nothing. He

(01:39:59):
had no adgeat So it fuels all of those things
we were saying that maybe he never was and maybe
that was a mythical creature we saw a year ago
in the midst of some crazy life turmoil that some
of that he certainly brought on himself.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
We can't fully write it off, and I'm not gonna
fully write it off. And I'm glad you brought the point,
like if he keeps doing the healing that I think
he needs to do, because I don't think he's even
close to being done. These are all good things. I'm
not against that, but like, you know, what was the
penalty he suffered aside from time off for all the
things that he did not muh, I mean, lest his purse? Okay,

(01:40:31):
it was a financial penalty, but in the end, not
a whole lot. I'm sure he made a sick amount
of money for this one. I also think, though, and
I said I said earlier, it's just worth reiterating. For
Haini and Garcia that time off, I don't. You know,
he did him some good in some senses, but competitively,
I don't it didn't make him their best. Also, he
brings it up that weird that event just did not

(01:40:52):
work in terms of getting the best from boxers. Now,
some were able to plug in Tailfeman was able to
plug in or lot whatever the kids say, lock in.
He was able to do all that Romero was able
to do it, so it's not exactly an excuse. But
at the same time, is that the best way to
get people to give their best broadly? Maybe not right,
Maybe that wasn't the best way to do it, even

(01:41:13):
if again, from a permit standpoint, that's where they ended up.
But it seems to me like the four Princess thing
just got set a blaze right now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
I can't defend it. Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
Whether they make it back is up to them, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
And it's only look, the narrative, like I said, completely changes.
If Tank comes back and let's say, knocks out Lamar
roachs visiously, you're like, oh shit that you know it
was a blip on the radar.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
Ryan's had a lot of blips.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I'm no longer gonna believe that he's going in the
right direction until he's going to show us in the ring.
But Haney on the flip side, Luke obviously a completely
dominant win over Ramirez. But here's my question to you,
and both are bad. Did Hany sabotage this fight under
the premise of I've already signed the contract for the

(01:41:57):
Garcia rematch, so why am I going to risk anything
bad happening? And oh by the way, fu to boxing,
to Ryan Garcia for me getting screwed with what happened
last year and all this bad pr I'm not gonna
entertain you. I'm gonna get the win and then get
that rematch or worse worse even was this Hani having

(01:42:18):
all the skeletons and ghosts from the Garcia fight still
in the front of his mind and him maybe being
a broken fighter moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
It seemed to me that the ghosts of April twentieth,
twenty twenty four were haunting them, both different reasons, but
they were haunting them both. Now you all again, I'm
gonna say it, maybe in another fight, Hani looks better.
You're like, oh, all right, well maybe the last one
wasn't the you know, the end all be all. We
have to keep that in mind, and we will. And

(01:42:47):
to the point you raised, this was a guy whose
character has been assassinated for the last year for the
crime of fighting, a guy who plausibly took performance enancing
drugs and plausibly weight on purpose. I mean, can you
fucking believe the upside down? It was just to be
we This is like Ryan Garcia's moment in time last

(01:43:08):
year was like the ultimate moment of vice signaling, right,
and no one likes a virtue signaler, But I gotta
tell you, if the choices between that and a vice signaler,
I'll take the virtue one every single time. And you
see the consequences this upside down moral, you know, decay
that gets shown where the guy who was clearly the
victim in this case, or at least again as a

(01:43:30):
plausible claim to be the victim, was treated as some
kind of you know, nasty sore loser. And I that's
not even to say that I endorsed the lawsuit. It's
just to say, did we have to beat him up
over it? I don't know so all of that BC,
was that still circulating in this guy's mind. I just
feel like the most logical explanation is ring rust and

(01:43:51):
he was saving himself for the Garcia fight down the road.
But to the point you raised, BC, did he pump
any life into that? If anything, they left the air
out of the balloon on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
They know, I mean, like, obviously they could do this
in Saudi anytime they want. Who cares if there's a crowd, like,
but these are fights that belong in arenas with real
boxing fans and I think that's also part of the larger,
bigger picture. Look, you know, Friday didn't have any boxing
fans really, it was like billionaires and influencers and elite friends.
And Saturday I did see that small swath a couple

(01:44:23):
thousand it seemed of Canelo fans Pro Mexico that were there,
and they did kind of make a small impact in
that tiny arena. But there's no atmosphere at those fights,
to the point that they've now moved even the big
fights to that small sixty six thousand foot so there's
six thousand seed arena. So yeah, in hindsight, we could say,
damn Turkey, you should have done that at Yankee Stadium

(01:44:43):
or MSG or whatever. But it needs to be in
front of fans that matters. That atmosphere Brooklyn last year
was a big part of why that fight was so
wild and crazy, Like the whole week was, it was wild.
I think you got to pump some life into this. First,
it's dead, it feels dead. Let's show that video of
Ry and in the uh everybody had to go to
the ambulance afterwards to be checked on these fights and

(01:45:05):
a lot of people are dunking on the emotions he show,
and I mean, I'm never gonna do that because these
guys are competitors. But Luke, you can take away almost
nothing positive from the Ryan Garcia experience on Friday night.
I hope he doesn't fly off the deep end, but
to not think any more of the steroid connection, you can't,
you know, you can't be naive.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
How can you talk about April of twenty twenty four
now without it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
Yeah, possible, And damn, I mean, he just looked like
a broken fighter. Let's hear from Roly who took an
unnecessary shot at it. But let's let's give Rollie the
victory lap helt he deserves.

Speaker 8 (01:45:39):
And he is a tremendous fighter. He is a tremendous fighter.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
The warning people he cannot be happened to be myself.
Jawanta Davis and depression. All right, all right, we do
a mental health jokey.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Why did he steal the windshield off of his own
car to put it on his face?

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Answer to that, dude, he was so humble afterwards. He
didn't really like dunk on anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
He was you know, go, it's like the we're talking
about guys who suffered losses and like, you know what
it means, and we have to be honest. We wrote
off Roly. I know I did, I wrote off, but
like truly, when you've got guys with some ability, it's
all how they take it, unless they take a really
really really really bad beating, but in general, in general,
it is how they take it. Rolely took it as
a way to get better. It changed him, I think

(01:46:24):
for the better. We shall see what it does for
Ryan or Bonnicol or whoever.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Well, let's bring in an expert. Future Hall of Famer
Nonito Donaire was the first boxer ever to sign up
for twenty four to seven volunteer testing with VADA. Here's
his take on ostereen and what happened to Ryan Garcia.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Talk about Garcia's performance last night and people wondering, you know,
off the ostereen?

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Is that why he wasn't what he was a year ago?

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
And what do you make of it? Donito?

Speaker 17 (01:46:51):
I do I say this like Chapelle Oscreen's a hell
of a drug. Now you know, maybe that could be
a part of it. I mean, I've never done it,
but it's so the difference of of of the fight.
But I think the difference too, was that Haney and
and and Rolely are two different fighters.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Roly is very awkward, but he.

Speaker 6 (01:47:14):
Has that what they call retarded power was what they
say cold and retarded strength whatever, and you know one
of those, right, So so he just cracks.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
That's the thing is that when when when he.

Speaker 18 (01:47:32):
Dropped Ryan, he dropped him and and made him think
otherwise with with with Devin, Devin wasn't that kind of fighter,
and so it was more of Ryan to feel comfortable
to throw the punch with the punch, but with Roly,
he didn't want to play that game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
I mean, he got once he I mean, outside of
the comments there from which were here we are a
get in combat sports.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
We got we got to get and Jones together to
talk about what they think makes success in the athletics.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
It's wild, I mean, but like look, ostering was a factor,
but so was the second Ryan got dropped. He didn't
know how to adjust, He didn't know, he didn't know
what to do. That was a problem. We didn't have
that problem in April and now he also didn't get dropped.
But last April he just was a man possessed. I
hope he can find that. I of the Tiger again
without falling off the deep end. Look, I'm gonna skip

(01:48:27):
the Shannon Briggson and Ryan Garcia to hell, but let's
close here on our topics before we get into some
shiat with Canelo Alvarez. He went from the snoozer with
Williams School really one of the worst fights of all time,
so moments later getting pushed into a face off with
Terrence Budd Crawford and here we are. So he went
from the lowest punches attempted by a single fighter and

(01:48:49):
a total fight in twelve round history. He also said
I hate fighting these type of fighters in the post view,
although Big Red David Benavidez is available, I mean, yeah,
going nowhere, I mean, come on, don't be a bitch.
But okay, Luke, here's the real question. Then they announced
the fight Turkey would subsequently announced by the way that

(01:49:11):
it will be Dana White TKO and although they don't
have a TV home secured, everybody is pointing this toward Netflix.
They also announced it for a Friday night, September twelfth,
the night before UFC Guadalalajara, the Noe Chase celebration. So
it's a monstrous TKO weekend, with some journalists, by the way,

(01:49:31):
saying they don't think that Wada Lahara Arena will be
ready and this could end up in Las Vegas, by
the way. But Luke, the larger question gear is how
much of the blame for Saturday shipwreck deserves to fall
on Canelo and very specifically, what does Canelo's performance here
say about his chances against Terrence Crawford and whether this

(01:49:51):
changes at all as we point to September.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
It's not like I watched the fight between Terence Crawford
and Israel mad and I thought, oh wow, Terrence is
gonna run over him. But I at least thought, okay,
this is you know, he got the win and he
got it off Craft and Madromov made some interesting choices,
but whatever, And then you watch what Canelo has turned

(01:50:15):
into and it's like, how can you not pick Crawford,
Oh he's coming up three weight classes? Yeah against this version.
The balls on Canelo to say I don't like it
when a guy runs the whole time and you've been
assiduously avoiding. David Benavitez is mind blowing to me, because

(01:50:36):
trust me, you wouldn't have to run or worry about
whether or run after, I should say, or worry about
whether or not your opponent is going to be there
for you to hit if you wanted to fight David Benavitez.
Problem freaking solved. B See how many it used to
be like, oh, if you could go the distance with Canelo,
that would be impressive, you know, but he was beating

(01:50:57):
the Angulos of the world from pillar to post. They
couldn't make it out of it, or the ya omne
yodiums or whoever. And now he can't even polish those
guys off. Now he can't even slow them down. And yes,
didn't make Canelo's job harder when a guy doesn't want
to engage that much, even though you know there was
at least, you know, arithmetically he was maybe even throwing

(01:51:18):
more than Canelo. Sure, it makes it a little bit difficult,
but it also appears to MEBC we should just say
it out loud again. I'm so glad we got to
cover Canelo when he was chasing down Caleb Plant in
the eleventh round in Las Vegas to crown himself as
the king of boxing. And certainly that one sixty eight
division that was that was that was thrilling right, that

(01:51:39):
was one of them. That was just a highlight really
of one of my combat sports covering moments, certainly inside
of boxing. But you know, since then, it's just been
something different. He is completely phoning it in, Dude, he's
phoning it in.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Well, you know what the old Canelo would have done there,
because he did it against Irislndy Laura in a similar fight.
He chased them down and made sure that even though
I to this day I scored that fight for Laura,
a lot of people did you, But if you did,
you did it by one round. It was that close, yes,
But he put in the effort to chase him down.
He was a younger man, but this one he almost punted,
like like I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
Do He punted. He punted on doing this in front
of his fans. He punted on trying to maximize this
opportunity for you know, people's entertainment, which you know is
not his job. But when the guy is like that,
clearly much like as bad as Canela looks like, school
looked like infinitely worse, you know, it's just like every

(01:52:32):
part of it is not trying because he's got this
attitude like I'm Canelo and I don't have to anymore. Well, Canelo,
if you don't care, why the fuck should we That's
the question that I just have no other answer for.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
And the worst part about Turkey throwing him on Singo
de Mayo, even though I know they tried to line
up the time so that it was primetime in Mexico
and the US, you know, or the primetime expected time
for a fight, you know, but still it's like it
almost felt like he only has Canelo as a flex
to keep Jake Paul, you know, at at arm's length.

(01:53:05):
And I'm not saying I ever would have been like
insanely excited for a Jake Paul Canelo fight, but to
see Cop shout the cop, but to see Cop uh,
you know, tweak for the fight. At least this isn't
at least we don't have to watch, you know, Jake
versus Canal. It's like, dude, I would take Jake versus
Canelo one and two in the same night. Yeah, Canelo school.

(01:53:26):
The way that they acted, the whole blah blah, you know,
affair of.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
It, there was nobody there. There was nobody there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Even though I understand the strategic selection of Canelo and
that they need to set up the launch of TKO.
And I'm not saying I'm not going to care about
this fight like it's an interesting fight. It had more
fuel to it, of course two years ago when Bud
beat Spence, but it's not like Bud's been losing or
Canelo has been losing. But I think it does change
the way we look at it, Luke, because the early
offshore odds at the moment have Canelo minus two thirty

(01:53:57):
Crawford plus one seventy six. There's always been a strong
vocal minority that that Crawford could do this. That's why
the fight's happening, because he's willing to do it, and
he's one of the rare guys that we believe could
do it. This is like the lowest Canelo stock has
been in a long time. Is that going to be
a negative at all? Or do you think this fight
will still ultimately deliver what Turkey, TKO and maybe even

(01:54:22):
Netflix will be trying to do on September twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
I think this fight will deliver spectacle. Whether it delivers
a good fight remains to be seen. I'll be cautiously
optimistic about it. It's really hard to say Canelo appears
to be washed basically at this point, although you know, again,
are you washed if you if you're phoning it in?
You know what I mean? I realize I'm just playing
with metaphors here. See what I'm saying is it's hard
to know, like how much better he could be if

(01:54:47):
he cared, And really it's up to Crawford to make
him care, which I think he'll try, But it's just
hard to know exactly what will happen. But I do
think from a spectacle standpoint, especially if it ends up
on Netflix, it's going to deliver big at a Legion Stadium,
the whole nine yards. It's go to be a big,
big event, and that's gonna be good for boxing for
no small reason that a big fight taking place on
you of soil is something that has been missing from

(01:55:07):
this country for a little while now. But but you know,
in terms of what we're gonna get with a fight,
it's a it's a it's a bit of a wild card,
is it not. Crawford looked decent, maybe even good against Madromov,
but not like exceptional, and that's still another another weight
class to go up or two at that point, right,
And then you've got Canelo, who has done you know,

(01:55:29):
I mean, you know, one of the best Mexican boxers ever,
a Hall of Famer. But it's on the side of
his career where he just doesn't seem to give a
fuck anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
You know, I don't know he has while think about it,
Like the Charlo fight there was there was no pushback.
The Mongia fight had four rounds where like he had
to be a little bit careful, it was a little
bit physical, and then he dominated. The Berlanga fight, he
absolutely dominated. So it's like he also hasn't been pushed
back in a while. Obviously, I think he's better than
what he showed on Saturday. If it was a much

(01:55:59):
bigger fight, you're gonna get the best of what's left
of Canalo, and I still think a lot is left.
But this is this has just been a sad walk
for him in my opinion, even though there's part of
it that he deserves the right to take these times
of victory laps, he's keeping these belts hostage. Now he's
playing with the shameless other team when it when it's
most you know, beneficial to him. I want to see

(01:56:20):
the Crawford fight. I hope it works, but I don't know,
there's just something about this that I don't like, the
full taste of it, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
I just I mean, there's a lot of ways this
fight can be very interesting and very fun, but it's
hard to not be anything but sour on Canelo at
the moment. And again I hate saying that, because dude,
I don't want to you do you ever want to

(01:56:41):
be in a spot where you're where you're a Canelo hater? No,
the dude's the Dude's been great to watch and cover.
He's been the best look, he's been the tits.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
But I've had great, great times and years I've had
Canelo and studio before, Like I really appreciate that. But
like the reasons we were excited about him at that
time and respect to what he was doing, none of
that applies anymore. Like, you know, it's just we're not
talking about the same kind of competitor, at least not
this stage. Anyway. It's disappointing, as I mean, I'm being

(01:57:12):
euphemistic when I say that it's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
It did feel like a desperate pivot after that school
fight ended to get Crawford right in the ring and
Long Island look for the final time, can we show
this face off? People were marveling at how tall and
already bigger Crawford looks. But obviously Crawford's not, you know,
in a real camp right now. I'm sure he's preparing
and bulking up for this. Now he's saying, by the way, publicly,
Crawford that he would not go back to fifty four.

(01:57:37):
Now he's saying he has two fights left of his
career and that will be it. It makes sense, Luke,
because that means he should commit to putting on the
right amount of muscle that he'll need. But yeah, I
think you're gonna see a lot of people picking him.
It's gonna be interesting coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Count me down or put mark me down? Right now,
B see Crawford by I dare say stoppage.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
I just hope it's not. But I hope he doesn't
take the school game plan of how to avoid Canelo.
I mean, Canlo has always had problems with movers, people
with quick feet. Laura and Trout gave him to fights,
Danny Jacobs gave him to fight, you know, but this
is the next level. I think the quickness gap, it'll
be it'll be insane, so we'll see wow, listen.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
At least he'll have to try. At least he'll have
to try.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Yeah. I just want good things for the box, luke
you that's what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
I want great weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
Huh no, and thank you again to Cardonos from San
Antonio with the rat tail just he cut it before
the fight, but he showed.

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
Us dash driver huh DoorDash driver?

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, that's one of my people right there.
And then you know, he was fun to cover on
show Box when I called this fight. He scored a
knock a knockout win in his hometown and came from
behind him to do it, so he's got balls. I
hope he gets a fight off of this because that was.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
Think he made a lot of friends. Uh, not just
because he turned into spirited performance, but because it was
like such a palate cleanser, yes to get him to
do that, and then he he took to Twitter. I
think after the fight was like not bad for a
door dash d I was like, tell him, tell him so,
let him know what's a lyft drivers day.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
And I liked Rafael Espinoza and the Comaine there, Luke,
that's the guy I remember that upset was it was it, uh,
the the Olympian, the Cuban Olympia in that top rank.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
Head Andy Kruz.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
No, am I thinking Robas Ramirez or no, Yeah, that's
what I'm thinking. He upset him and then he's been
on like a nice little run and he had another
good win on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:59:26):
Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Now he's in the in a way discussion. I know,
in a way he's probably going to close the year
with Akmadaliev and then we'd all love to see him
against Juneto Nakatani if he comes up from one eighteen.
But there's fights at twenty six, whether it be ball,
whether it be you know, uh the idea. Now Shoeshoe
wants him, and so does Rafael Espinoza. Spinosa's long that'd
be an interesting fight against in a.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
A bunch of good fights. Also, there was video of
Brandon Moreno usc flyway of Brandon Reno visiting Espinoza in
his locker room ahead of time. Shit yeah, and they
were embracing and everyone was dapping everybody up. It was
a moment I was like, dude, this is what we
dreamed of em you know, just being so big everywhere
that now, like in Mexico MMA fighters and boxers love

(02:00:07):
each other like I love.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Moreno, what a great guy. Look, we got to skip
DMS from Donks because we went so hard in the
paint on our five topics, rightfully, so we don't get
weekends like this normally. But don't forget that morning.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
To check us out the studio. I mean, well, you look,
if you want to hit it, I'll hit it. I
think we had a I think we should hit it.
I'm okay with it. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Pass the Ducci to the left side. This one is
a chance every Sunday night that morning combat at Instagram
and the X you get your questions asked and apparently
you're gonna get a answer to this is DMS from Donks.

Speaker 4 (02:00:44):
OK.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
Maybe I now regret doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
Maybe I should have played that video of Shannon Briggs
said and Ryan Garcia too.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
Hell, I didn't see it. What's the gist of it?
What does he say?

Speaker 5 (02:00:54):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
I mean, maybe we should just play it at this point,
just play that she had.

Speaker 19 (02:01:00):
Your boy what's his name? Guar Seia, retire, retire worst
fighter ever? Gar see you the worst fighter in boxing
history because he shocked everybody with.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
A jab and a and the check hook.

Speaker 4 (02:01:16):
You know what I'm saying, he.

Speaker 19 (02:01:18):
Got good fundamentals, Like some shit is decent. He gotta
keep his hands up and all that. But he ain't
no fighter, y'all.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
All that drama.

Speaker 19 (02:01:25):
Should he be doing all that racist shitt he be
doing and then to h to come back and fight
like that you lost to Roly Roly not even a.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
Yo.

Speaker 19 (02:01:37):
Man, Boxing is crazy. Boxing is crazy right now. If
that's just if those are superstars, then what if that
if that's.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
What we got the man.

Speaker 19 (02:01:51):
Listen, cham I was right there ringside for all all
fights I watched him on. I was I was like, damn,
you know what I'm saying, horrible jamp he should all
retire it dead.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Ass wow Wow. I mean, look, it does feel like
a like a real hangover right now from.

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
The weekend, like Garcia had it coming. I don't feel
even the slightest degree of sympathy for him.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Yeah, this sport needs to bounce back quick. But I'm
a little nervous about some some some hands in this game.
But look, let's hear from our fans. This is Z
Underscore or Z period f r M period ESP. He says,
does Sanhagen have a better shot against morab or or O'Malley, Luke,
they're gonna see that rematch coming up in Newark? Who

(02:02:42):
does he have a better shot at beating?

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
I think he has a more simplified task. That's not
to say an easier time. It's just Morob. It's like,
if you can't beat the wrestling, it's kind of over
for you.

Speaker 10 (02:02:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Yeah, yeah, he's gonna ruin your night.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
Yeah, he'll ruin your knight. But it feels like with
O'Malley he could strike with him and also, you know,
mix up the grappling just kind of your top bottom,
top bottom, top bottom, and that could you know, that
makes it a harder task in terms of the diversity.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
But the answer is O'Malley, Luke, I can tell me why? Well,
I mean, you just eloquently laid it out, and you
had another point at the end, Luke, that I pulled
from you. I'm sorry. I love if you land that plane, Sully.
But ultimately, Luke, I just think that Morob's physicality would
be a problem for him over twenty five minutes. It
would take too much of his gas tank away from him.

(02:03:29):
It would it would be a burden where I think
the idea of playing chess with O'Malley, and I'm not
trying to act like O'Malley doesn't have chess skills in
IQ and obviously athleticism, but I feel like Corey is
going to be able to open up parts of his
game that just wouldn't work against Morob but will work
against O'Malley in a striking duel, you know, a low
output but but smart kind of tense striking duel. But

(02:03:53):
I think Corey is thinking, man, I'll win that battle,
and I got the advantages on the ground, so you know,
I'm I'm thinking long out. Look, what would be the
odds right now? O'Malley Sanagen, right freaking now, set the
MK odds.

Speaker 4 (02:04:06):
O'Malley, Sandagen, I'm going sand Haagen minus one seventy five
back Mally plus one fifty exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
There it is, there, it is. We need to open
our own book.

Speaker 2 (02:04:17):
We can lost a shitcoin.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
Well, last thing is what might be interesting is there
so many times you saw Corey invert in this fight,
either backside fifty to fifty or other stuff. One kind
of interesting thing is like maybe they invite, not invite
the takedown, but rather than just trying to be like,
oh we gotta fight the takedown, fight to take down
from a rob maybe it's like, all right, fight the takedown,
but if it doesn't work, leg entanglement and see what
you can do with that. And I wonder, I wonder

(02:04:41):
what that might do.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
It's very interesting. Look before we hit the second question,
did you see that for UFC three fifteen because it's
in Canada, in Montreal, Joe Rogan is out. He said
it will never call a fight in Canada. He's gonna
live up to it. Dom Cruise taking the chair.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
I'm like, hell, yeah, yeah, I would have preferred. Now
I'll take Cruise, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
I'm telling you that the best trio. It's like, it's
like when I say about Peanut, Butter and Cheese. You
can't knock it until you try it. The best trio
on pay per views. Geese's try it, Just try it,
try it and change your life.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
Is and bro, do you find that out in prison?
How the fuck did you call those?

Speaker 12 (02:05:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
I found that out in the factory telling when I
was a kid. But looke, let me tell you that
the ANNEK D C. Cruiz trio. In reality, folks, you
need to realize this is the best combo.

Speaker 12 (02:05:25):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:05:25):
It's the best trio. All right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
I've had m R s when I was in the
military that had cheese and peanut butter in them.

Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
You know, I've eaten some.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
I've eaten some nub ass ways, but I never mixed them. Dude.

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
Okay, Well, I mean I think you're gonna find out,
you know, Luke, just like you found out about BBLS.
You know, You're like, I gotta yeah, here it is
there it is.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
This one was from X A L Underscore nine thousand
and nine. Is it just me? Or is Paul Felder
and Laura Sanko the best com commentary combination?

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
DC and Rogan are great.

Speaker 2 (02:05:59):
He says in the OMG moments, but the former flow
so much better and give much greater insight. Yeah, that's
an all star duo there.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
That's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
That's my number two team behind DC and Cruz as
an analyst pair. It's those two and less biz ping
is more. Look Yeah, all right, okay, thank.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
You, Because he does tend to talk a lot, you know,
he does.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
Our next question comes from poorly painted ponies. If Billal
defeats JDM and moves up to middleweight so Islam can
fight for the vacant belt. Is Islam versus Brady the
closest fight we can get to test a pound for
pound athlete versus a gorilla.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
This is not a good question. Yes, I mean, this
is a silly question. But I'll say this. We've never
really talked about it, but well, I guess we will
on Wednesday. The possibility of Islam going to seventy is
to me, like everyone's like ilia Islam, and it's like, okay,

(02:07:04):
don't get me wrong, who the hell doesn't want to
see that fight?

Speaker 12 (02:07:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
But I gotta tell you that, like, if Islam can
extend his career a little bit by having some new
life at one seventy, yes here, I'm here for it, dude,
I'm here.

Speaker 2 (02:07:14):
I am here for it too. I mean, him against
everyone in that top group of like people that aren't
washed yet would be wonderful.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
You know, there's lots of new blood at one seventy.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Yeah, yeah, indeed, right there, Let's hear it from Magan Donni.
Magan Danny says following UFC des Moines undefeated fighters are
now thirteen and twenty two in the UFC in twenty
twenty five. Is this a reflection of tougher matchmaking or
guys not being that good and only having inflated records?

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
I didn't feel, dude, Bo Nichol was what seven and
oh heading into this fight. That's not an inflated record.
An inflated record is if you're like eighteen in oh
and you've fought a bunch of fucking bombs.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
Like you want to you want to say Nichol shouldn't
have been on three hundred main card.

Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
Yeah, you can make, but that's not an inflated record exactly.
I don't know. If you see tougher matchmaking, maybe could
just be coincid central.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
You catch elves in this game and in very few
go like on a six fight, seven fight win streak
to open their UFC career.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
You know, yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
Yeah, all right? I mean only one percent make good
money in the USC, Luke, it's the one percent rule.

Speaker 12 (02:08:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
This final one comes from probably Brian, but he spells
it with it why Luc And since I'm an eye guy,
don't I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
I have found that I think people that spell their
names with eyes are better than the whys. That's my person.
Thank you for siding with me.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
This man, this man asks what is the best pizza
place in New York and Connecticut?

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
Okay, so let me let me hazard a guest BC
and you can fact check me. How's that sound?

Speaker 4 (02:08:55):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:08:55):
That sounds great?

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
All right, I'm not I don't have love or hate
for Fortnoy. I don't know much about him. We met
him one time at the what fight was that? It
was a Jake Paul something that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Was Cleveland, and he couldn't have wanted to sit with
us less.

Speaker 1 (02:09:09):
But he wasn't shitty to us. He wasn't shitty. But
I saw a video was a big cat. Big cat
was nice. Big cat was super friendly. Yes, no, he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
He was like, can you back up? These can remember
the dogs?

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
Oh he was friendly to me afterwards?

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
Oh really? Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:09:22):
Yeah, okay, he actually followed me on Twitter after that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
So oh nice?

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Sorry shout him out him out and PFT commentary is
a uh. And then Robbie Fox there's more marstool guys.
I definitely like, I don't know anything about him enough
to know. I mean, I know there's been like allegations
about I'm just pointing out this for pizza, the guy
like has tried a million places, and he was like,
I've been to pizza in Italy, I've done pizza in
New York and LA. And he said, New Haven, Connecticut

(02:09:46):
by far, it can't be touched. Like, it's not just
a clear winner, it's a clear winner by a considerable distance. Okay,
so I have to believe he's right now on New
York City. May I offer a spot that I feel
like is good. I when I lived in New York,
my favorite spot at the time was Bleaker Street Pizza,
which is pretty good but not the best anymore. But

(02:10:06):
when I went back BC, it was a viral place.
Mama twos, have you been there? What's it called? Mama twos?

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
No, I haven't, I haven't.

Speaker 1 (02:10:15):
Holy fucking shit, bro, have you seen that white guy
who puts on the hat it says yes chef on
it and he tries viral food everywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
I don't recall him.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
I'm more of like a boomery. No, I don't know,
all right, So he he wears a hat and every
everywhere he goes it just says yes. Chef. It's a
white guy. He went to Mama twos and then, uh,
maybe I'm saying the name wrong, but I believe that's right.
He went there, and I was like, all right, when
I took Twoky, I had to go for that. It
was it's fucking insane, like, and they make different styles there.

(02:10:50):
Everything was like perfectly made. They make their own bread there.
The pizza place has to make their own bread. I
feel like that's like a requirement. So let me look
this up and make sure I got a name right.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
But Mama New York City has some great They got
a lot of shitty pizza, but they got.

Speaker 1 (02:11:05):
Some great, great, great, great great.

Speaker 2 (02:11:07):
Shit in there.

Speaker 1 (02:11:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:11:10):
If I think if you're going classic new Haven in
the and the typical players there, I'm a Sally's guy.
At the highest end, I probably I prefer bar bar
is probably my favorite. But as you've heard me say,
I'm not even though New Haven style pizza, the Sicilian abeats,
it's great, it's not just just not my preferred style.

(02:11:30):
So I can give you a million different mom and
pop Greek places that will blow you right in the
a hole, Luke, But not everybody likes that sensation.

Speaker 1 (02:11:38):
So it's uh uh, it's Mama's too, not Mama Too's
Mama's too. Check that out, New York.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
Yeah, yeah, there we go, Mama. That's the d MS
of the week. Thank you for playing, Thank you Luke
for accepting, and now we have one more thing.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
Look, it's hard to do this when we're out of
the studio because that means I can't rely on sound
because we can't talk over the videos without it being
too loud. So I try to program these remote episodes differently.
But let's see if I can get at least a
B plus here, Luke, this is the viral clips of
the week. There's a lot of shit. Have you seen it?

(02:12:23):
Luke Rising took over Japan on over the weekend and
had a big MMA in UFC influence.

Speaker 1 (02:12:30):
There.

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
We got Alex Pereira as dressing the crowd, we got
Mark Coleman banging the drums on stage, and we got
Yeri Prohatska and a damn diaper.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Luke, your thoughts, God bless this man.

Speaker 12 (02:12:43):
God.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
I am so dude. If you don't have a jacked
weirdo in MMA, you don't know what you're missing. Like,
first of all, I love that YERI like fixed his
style a little bit. So now he's like as like
I would argue, as good as he's ever been, and
probably the best he's ever been. But he didn't let
go of his weirdness. He kept it. That is exactly

(02:13:07):
what we wanted. We wanted to keep the weirdo. Just
tighten up the defense. We have reached peak eerie Prohatchka,
I'm here for it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
You know they have that saying keep Austin weird, Luke,
That's right, you know weird dude. All the comedians are
moving there, Luke, would you ever move to Austin?

Speaker 1 (02:13:24):
I'd rather get shot in the face with liquid ebola
than okay, right here you go.

Speaker 2 (02:13:30):
Also, Luke, Ryan Batter was there. He announced the signing
with rise In and then Saki Kabara or as Luke
would say, would you called shit cake Kabar? At that time,
I was like, well that was aggressive. Look, he said
Darth Batter would face the winner of the Heavyweight Grand
Prix on New Year's Eve. Your thoughts. He would face

(02:13:50):
who the winner of the rise In Heavyweight Grand Prix
and the fight would.

Speaker 1 (02:13:54):
Take I'll tell you what Ryan Bator has managed to
have a pretty long career and a pretty good one.
I don't know if I have super interest in that fight.
But anything that keeps rising on good terms and is
good for the fighters, I'm here for.

Speaker 2 (02:14:09):
Okay, are you here for big fails on the MLB diamond, Luke?
Let's go to your here's your Washington Nationals during a
little bit of a rain scare. Oh no, there's a
piper down, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
Oh boy, he just roll them up, Just roll him up.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
That's assault.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (02:14:28):
Wow? All right, yeah man, Fuck the Mets. How about that?

Speaker 2 (02:14:34):
No f your team, Luke, the fake expos is over there.

Speaker 4 (02:14:37):
Whatever the Mets.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
They took our team from us and then gave it
back to us later. Y'all can eat shit.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
Yeah, so can people who call the team US. That's
incredible where I come from, Luke. Wow, let's go to
the Marlins game. Check out this first baseman. They call
this the cup check. Apparently, Luke, there's a nice grounder
to shore.

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
You throw the ball, let's see. Oh oh yeah, buddy,
Oh boy, does he know you're supposed to catch that
with the glove.

Speaker 2 (02:15:04):
He tried to catch it with his magine. Apparently, Lukes straight,
you know, just straight up, like, yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (02:15:10):
Right, clam trap, West Virginia.

Speaker 2 (02:15:14):
Baseball time, Luke. Here's their celebration in the outfield.

Speaker 1 (02:15:17):
Your thoughts the mountaine ears?

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
Okay, that camera was like, let's so they're just banging
in the locker room. May possibly, all right, Tom for
MMA fighters in the wild. Here's Morob climbing a mountain
and they're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
Dangerous I mean, Morob, buddy, watch.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
This, Luke, no net, no strings attached.

Speaker 1 (02:15:43):
Oh my fucking god, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
O Mellley almost became champion right there.

Speaker 1 (02:15:48):
Okay, remember how I said, keep Yerie weird. Yeah, we
gotta make Morob less weird.

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
Do you think, like shop he needs a handler, Luke?

Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
Or what you know? Okay, all right, all right, skitz
and bits.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
All right, hey, peed check time, Luke. I could show
you a picture of Devin Haney, who looked spectacular on
the scales the other day, throwing a single punch. Uh
you know, MMA lawyer Ernie Eric mcgracken. Yes, Luke, this
is not This cannot be natural.

Speaker 1 (02:16:23):
My man is either working hard or he and Ryan
Garcia know a lot about ostary together. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
I mean, he might have p ninety X that ship
into like, wow, all right, I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:16:35):
It's like, let me ask you a question though, right,
So let's let's think about this for a second. If
the choice is to have a lawyer who's kind of
fat or like kind of jacked, yeah, I'm taking the
kind of jacked one, right, fighter.

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
Yeah, Yeah, there you go, shout out to Ripped mcgracken
over there. Yeah. Tech talk time, Luke. You love tech talk.
You love reading the expert reviews and trying to figure
out what's the best quality microphone at the best price.
You do that all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:17:04):
Let's watch on.

Speaker 5 (02:17:05):
I want to see if you can tell the difference
between this four hundred dollars Sure SM seven B microphone
for this ten dollars Amazon Prime microphone.

Speaker 13 (02:17:14):
My body.

Speaker 1 (02:17:18):
Ooh, by the way, this is the sure SM seven
B right here. So I don't know which one it was, but.

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
It's the better micro Luke used to text me.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
Verbal recordings of you to I haven't saved all right,
hold on, no, he go on, I got one. I
got one ready, Let's see. I don't know which one
it is. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
Do you record your whole family? Luke?

Speaker 1 (02:17:52):
Hang on.

Speaker 2 (02:17:55):
Oh god, that was not really okay, all right, Hey
moving on now, Luke. Uh, there's got.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
I'm forty five years old.

Speaker 2 (02:18:09):
Well, looke, tell me if you've ever tried this or
would you try this?

Speaker 1 (02:18:15):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:18:16):
Yep, uh, I mean it's it's cost effective.

Speaker 1 (02:18:23):
Oh okay, kill them all, kill your.

Speaker 2 (02:18:29):
Look, your fight of the week comes from this badminton game.
Watch this.

Speaker 1 (02:18:35):
Oh dude, they're fucking throwing hands in this game again
after it?

Speaker 3 (02:18:38):
Look at that?

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
Yep? Is that Devin Haney?

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
And and how dare you that is too soon? Yeah?
They just threw some ship. Look at this.

Speaker 1 (02:18:47):
This is this is actually better than Devin Handy.

Speaker 2 (02:18:49):
Versus gets out ja hearn gets laid out at Like, No, dude, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:00):
That's what do we know what precipitated that?

Speaker 2 (02:19:03):
No, but it's great, just pure hopefully oust Look to
be fair, let's go to you ever see someone rage
out at the pool table?

Speaker 1 (02:19:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
Yeah, all right, that's something right there.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
I mean, if you're that bad at pool, can you
be that surprised that you were that bad at pool?

Speaker 2 (02:19:30):
I mean, it seems stage to me, Luke, it's time
to cleanse the palate with a little bit of rate.
That TAT we need a one to ten score, ten
being the best. First, let's talk about former champ Brandon
Moreno getting a new chest tat.

Speaker 1 (02:19:46):
That is a ten out of ten. That is absolutely
first rate tattooing. Look at the color saturation, look at
the line work, look at how it shines in certain
parts that's reflected back at you. The shading that is
that is just about as good as tattooing gets.

Speaker 2 (02:20:06):
Luke, that tattoo artist definitely owns at least seven bongs.
This house definitely Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:20:10):
Yeah, if you're the best tattoos that I've ever gotten.
All happened from dudes who you would not classify as normal,
and that's how it should be. That is there.

Speaker 2 (02:20:19):
They're unbelievable artist. The art is incredible. Let's go to
super Mario back tat time. Luke, we need one to
ten rate.

Speaker 1 (02:20:26):
This tat three? WHOA, really, yeah, this is not that great?
Like it's the color. Look at look at the difference
in the saturation of color between this and Brandon Moreno's.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
Like this is it looks decent like a seven and
a half right.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
Now, no five at best?

Speaker 2 (02:20:45):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (02:20:45):
And also the guy wearing it is an obvious loser
or maybe it's a woman. Either way, I think it's
a lady. Luke.

Speaker 2 (02:20:51):
All right, well, Luke, let's see this guy's tat.

Speaker 14 (02:20:54):
I've got the weird milf tattooed under my eye. Even
when I'm crying, the mills still get with. I thought
that was quite smart.

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
I mean, he has a point, Luke, but that's a
zero points in.

Speaker 1 (02:21:10):
That's the kind of guy that And now you know what,
I'm gonna let it go.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
Well, Luke, rate this final tat one to ten.

Speaker 1 (02:21:18):
Please, okay, I'll say you what. It's nice to see
Reggie Jackson.

Speaker 11 (02:21:26):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (02:21:27):
That's what I'm talking about, for life, Luke, for life
on that.

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
Cat's butthole over his belly that you know that motherfucker
is gonna die via Darwin Award at some point soon.

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
Probably, But it's great. Look, there was a weird moment
on a Shannon Sharp podcast the other day that did
not involve females, luckily, Luke. But listen to this.

Speaker 20 (02:21:49):
I only heard from two teams. Get with the two
team to call me at say what what's your phone number?
Where you're gonna beat that next door? Oh Cincinnati Bengals
with one?

Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
Did you see Joe Johnson's face. Dude, he was like, uh,
maybe it was caused by a woman. Look, who knows,
but Shannon Sharp going through some turmoil these days.

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
Yeah. Once again, it's like, I don't understand why these
guys who have loads of money keep working, no need
for it, just fucking stay home.

Speaker 9 (02:22:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:22:22):
Look, let's go to the soccer pitch.

Speaker 2 (02:22:24):
See if we can induct this referee into the combat
Hall of Fame. Watch him intercept a fan. Oh some
sweet chin music.

Speaker 1 (02:22:37):
Bro with the studs up too right, damn oh, he's
like you want some two bitch? Oh shit, this guy
is about it, about it yo. From now on, that's Chewbacca,
that's what we're gonna call him. Yeah, he was ready
for action, son.

Speaker 2 (02:22:54):
Look, let's go to the amateur wrestling Matt. Here is
your judo hip toss of the week.

Speaker 1 (02:22:59):
I mean it's it's it's greco.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
It looks like all right, oh yeah, a little other
abuse to sprinkle on top of that one. Let's go
over to NASCAR, Luke, this man they put fifteen seconds
of fame on him, and he took his moment. Luke
watched this Steve Austin tribute.

Speaker 1 (02:23:19):
You know, what, I'll accept it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:23):
One more time on that no seatough. I mean, I look,
you get one chance, you gotta go for it.

Speaker 1 (02:23:28):
Look at this boom and then he just squeezes and
the beers have coozies on him too.

Speaker 2 (02:23:33):
Oh yeah, that's great stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:23:34):
That is buddy. If you've never done nasgate, NASCAR tailgating,
you've never done tailgating. I don't give a fuck when
anybody tells you.

Speaker 2 (02:23:40):
Oh, Luke, when you were young before cell phones, did
you ever back up an eighteen wheeler to a river
and take turns jumping in it?

Speaker 12 (02:23:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:23:47):
These people did watch this.

Speaker 1 (02:23:48):
This is buddy, This is just good. This is just
good redneck fun right here.

Speaker 2 (02:23:52):
Yeah, but they're also very like inclusive and welcoming, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:23:57):
Okay, they couldn't give him a bigger push, you know
what I mean, Luke?

Speaker 2 (02:24:05):
You remember when hawk Tua changed the world?

Speaker 12 (02:24:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:24:08):
Yeah, well, things are escalating.

Speaker 1 (02:24:11):
What's a movie bet that drives men crazy? Every time?
I feel like, no, you gotta give him that, Okay, Yeah,
you got you gotta warm it up like it's a fire.

Speaker 13 (02:24:20):
You got and you got up. WHOA, don't you take
it like it's a Rattlesnake. You gotta take it, you gotta.

Speaker 1 (02:24:36):
That sounded like the last metal song I listened to.

Speaker 2 (02:24:40):
I think that's called Chomped to Uh. All right, Luke,
watched this next video and watch the strength of this
stool on the bottom left here. All right, you see
you they're pointing at it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
Oh, that thing's about to get tested.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
Oh wow, wow. You know, didn't it look like Turkey
want to do that to Canelo in school when he
got up on the ring apron twice.

Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
Yeah. But if you're so fat that public infrastructure breaks
under you, it's time to go see the doctor. Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:25:08):
That's that's not a good development in your life. By
the way, all right, we got two more for you, Luke.
You sent me this one. Anything can happen on the
New York City subway. Watch the far door in the
background there. Yeah, she's just paying Oh really, I didn't
even Okay, that's uh.

Speaker 1 (02:25:25):
She was squatting the squat.

Speaker 2 (02:25:28):
Oh my god, Okay, what it's uh she had.

Speaker 1 (02:25:33):
The decency to stand between the cars BC. That's how
you know she cared.

Speaker 2 (02:25:36):
Okay, you know what I'm saying, Luke, You ever wonder
if you ever there's our final video. If you ever
in panic, whether you would really let out one of
those deep passionate screams like what it would sound like

(02:26:00):
it was a guy with a paper talls in lotion
in his pants down, Luke, all right, that's all the
shit I got.

Speaker 1 (02:26:09):
For this week.

Speaker 2 (02:26:09):
Thank you for playing. All Right, there you go, there
you go. Oh wow, what a show? Right, what a week?

Speaker 1 (02:26:16):
Two and a half hours. We gave him two and
a half hours.

Speaker 2 (02:26:18):
We just yeah, we put the fist in, then we
turned it, locked it up. Hey. Reminder, folks, morning Combat
at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:26:25):
That's how you reach the show.

Speaker 2 (02:26:27):
Only if you reach out to Mike in a clean way.
All right. Also Wednesday, Luke, tell them what's going on
at eleven am This Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (02:26:37):
UFC three fifteen is this coming weekend. So to get
you ready for it, this Wednesday in studio live in
New York City, yours truly, that gentleman right there, the
Brian Campbell experience, and Chuck Mindenhall, Anakin Skywalker himself. We're
all gonna be there having some cuervo, having some fight talk,
getting you ready for the big pay per view. It
should be a grand old time.

Speaker 2 (02:26:58):
It will be fantastic Long Island. Luke, thank you for
your service today. You will not get paid overtime, although.

Speaker 4 (02:27:04):
All right, it's all right. It was worth it.

Speaker 2 (02:27:06):
It was a good time. Anything you want to tell
the people, Probably not.

Speaker 4 (02:27:10):
I mean, I'll have my bet breakdown out today. You
guys know the drill. Tune in Saturday, watch along the
whole thing. Yeah, yeah, you'll.

Speaker 2 (02:27:15):
Probably rip a bong or two. Luke Thomas, would you
like to tell the people one more thing? Anything?

Speaker 1 (02:27:21):
I love you. Thanks for tuning in today. We appreciate it.
Join us on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (02:27:25):
Hey, that's well said from Luke Thomas. This is your
boy BC follow us below, but also, folks, follow your dreams.
You get knocked down, you get back up. That's how
it works. We're out of here.

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