UFC KC: Garry Defeats Prates | Eubank Jr. Beats Benn | Eddie Hall's MMA Debut Win | Morning Kombat

BC and LT recap the results of UFC Kansas City on a Monday edition of MK.

How did Ian Machado Garry look against Carlos Prates in his unanimous decision victory? What can be said about the career of Anthony Smith? Just how real of a contender is Randy Brown? Plus more results from UFC KC.

Chris Eubank Jr. defeated Nigel Benn via unanimous decision in a special fight that featured history, tradition and a bitter rivalry. And Eddie Hall needed just 30 seconds to defeat Mariusz Pudzianowski.

What does this mean for a potential Hall vs. Francis Ngannou matchup? Tap in with Brian Campbell and Luke Thomas on a Monday!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Reveal reveale.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at us now, timpoop.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Jesus, Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Do you want to us doing what? Wuck? It's time
to beg Oh yeah, get fired up. We're back at
it Morning Combat directly in your face hole, Monday, April

(00:45):
twenty eighth, two thousand and twenty five. Ready to wrap
up the weekend that was. And if you didn't know already,
by the way, today's episode of Morning Combat brought to
you by DraftKings, DraftKings, the crown is yours. My name
is Brian Campbell. That BBC with that BD and accused
Ian Gary super Fan. So we'll see how today goes. Right.

(01:05):
That's Luke Thomas from Washington, d C. And Luke, even
though people are watching this on Monday morning, we are
recording on Sunday night. I had a schedule issue. You
were generous enough to go directly from Twoky's birthday party
to recording this show. That is true hashtat girl dad
right there.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, the party ended, we cleaned up, I came home,
I caught my breath for a bit, and here we
are recording on Sunday night. But we have a lot
to talk about, so it actually should be a great
show today I'm actually pretty pumped.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
We will not only recap a fantastic UFC Kansas City
Fight Night card with an electric crowd over the weekend.
How about that maybe fight of the year that broke
out in the UK. I mean, look, give me one
word to describe what Chris you Bank Junior versus Connor
Ben made you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
One word yeah, begins with a no.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Joy.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'll take joy too, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Joy Like? Isn't that why you watch fights? Bro? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
For like performances like that and every day we'll get
to it. There was the build up and like his
dad coming in at the last minute, which was unbelievable.
The scenes were unbelievable, The stadium was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Like walk out with the violins, I mean, it was wild.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
My only real complaint was I don't love the zone's
choice of the British commentators.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I mean small, small, small, small thing, small thing. I'm
not hating.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
I'm not hating, but in general, dude, not a home run.
That was a Grand Slam. That was a Grand Slam,
and you don't see those too too often every year,
but you got the chance to see one on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Holy smokes, that delivered.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
We'll also hit the latest news and react to it,
including a big fight announcement Dustin Poirier's retirement about BMF
title on the line in New Orleans. Get ready for
that in a how about that little KSW strong Man
action for as long as it lasted so much to
get into. No dms from Donks today because of the
odd timing of all that. But we will close with

(03:02):
the have you seen this ish? Why don't you though
like the video on YouTube? Why don't you subscribe to
what we got going on here? If you're listening to
audio only, I don't know, tell somebody that you really
like that. This show is fantastic. Follow us on our
extended YouTube channels. MK is here to stay. Okay, that's
what I'm talking about. Also, we've got a third member

(03:24):
of this team who was just as willing on Sunday
night to be an awful boyfriend. Hey, it's Long Island.
Luke noseda of the main card minute helping us out. Yeah, brother,
what's up?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
You know last night we got to see Ian Gary finally,
you know, bring to fruition what I've been saying for
weeks now, you know, I did think he got ten
eighted in round five.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I don't know about you guys, but.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
If he did well, I I'm not sure that that
was a fulfillment of your.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Oh dude, I think he won.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
He won the first four rounds. I think we can
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
We talk about it, We'll talk, we'll talk about it.
Thank you, Luke Nosita of the long eye in h
ball bag minute. Whatever you got going on there though
a great guy, though I have met them, Luke, real quick,
I mean, the people want to know, did you get
an alcoholic clown? Did you get a magician? Did you
get a guy that could contort his jan son into

(04:16):
farm animal balloons? What did you get for tukes?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
We uh, well, it was supposed to be a Star
Wars party and we weren't sure how the how the
how the weather was going to be. It turned out
the weather was beautiful. You can see him a little
sun drenched. But the wind ate us alive. It kept
popping all the balloons. It kept snapping around and then popping,
so we had a hard time setting anything up.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
That was a bit of a pain. But the big
winner was two things.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
One we got a lady who did both face painting
and balloon animals nice and for for cheap.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I couldn't believe how affordable that was. That was crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
And then my wife got a baby Yoda pinata buddy
monster hit that.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Would be a huge hit. Yes, yeah, although you don't
really want to injure, uh you know.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
No, So this one, this one had like a bunch
of strings coming out the bottom and you let all
the kids get up in a circle and they hold
the string and then on one, two, three, they all
yank it and then everything.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Comes pouring out.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You mean you mean jankeet if we're gonna be honestly
daddy yanky, yeah, yeah yeah, but uh, okay, so we're
not violently bashing it. That's that sounds like a great now,
you know, just to appease my curiosity. What percentage of
the conversations at the party were in English?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Probably sixty percent? Okay, yeah, I would say the majority.
I mean, my family was there, so you know that
that brought in English. And we basically did was we
just invited her kindergarten classmates and then they all came
and uh but you know, a bunch of that is
in Spanish obviously as well.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
So it was great. It was. It was just awesome. Yeah,
it was. It worked out. The weather was the big thing,
like the sun was shining.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
It was beautiful. I'm tired, but I cannot complain by Arich.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, HBD goes out to the great Tukes. We're big fans.
And also, Luke, you can't find this shirt on store
racks anymore, right, Look, yeah, that's what I'm talking about, right.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, versus brock Merch. But it's it's something.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's something right there, all right, you know what's something?
The show we got for you, the recap we're about
to hit you with directly between the eyes. Why don't
we do it right now? With topic number one, UFC
Fight Night Kansas City over the weekend, and we talked
about it. This replacement main event seemed like it was
going to be better than the original of that light
heavyweight till that has now been moved to aber Oser Baijan.

(06:40):
Excuse me. We got a welterweight one that was going
to decide a lot between Ian Michadde Olgary once again
on short notice, and a red hot Carlos Pratissuo had
finished all four of his UFC opponents up to this date.
What we learned though through three rounds certainly changed in
terms of what we learned over the totality of the
five as Ian Mitchatdole, Gary did score a unanimous decision

(07:03):
victory over Protest in the main event. There's no question
that Gary looked sharp, particularly in those first three rounds
long dominant stretches that he endured in a favorable position,
but he faded down the stretch. There's a lot of
people on social media arguing that Protests could have should
have finished him when he was on the ground, and

(07:23):
maybe even Gary's performance of hanging on for dear life
could open up that debate. We kind of started the
show with accidentally a potential ten eight fifth round that,
depending on how you scored round four, could actually make
it a draw. So, Luke, there's a lot to love.
There's certainly a decent amount to critique and or be
nervous of. But when we're talking about the cocky, brash

(07:45):
and very efficient Ian mitchattle Gary, what's the best way
you can understand or contextualize what this win meant to
his rise.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Let me give you the context of how I saw
this fight, because actually feel like that's pretty important.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I was not watching live now.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I knew I had to watch obviously before today's program,
and I did, but I did not watch as it
went on. But I was actually on social media a bit,
just kind of looking at my phone and seeing people
being like, oh my god, Gary looks amazing. Gary looks fantastic.
And then, you know, as the fight wore on, there
were some people that thought round four got away from
him in that Round five was a ten eight round.
Scoring for me, forty eight forty seven for Gary is fine.

(08:24):
Forty seven forty seven is fine. I could even see
a case for forty nine to forty six, depending on
how you want to go. So I don't think the
wrong guy won. You know, I don't believe that Gary
was basically better for the majority of the duration of
this bout, and he was better in ways that are important.

(08:45):
He was the guy who tends to define the terms
of the exchanges. He was the guy who tended to
define where the fight took place, again, on what terms
it took place, on, what rhythm it took place on again,
every part of that he kind of for the most part,
he controlled that, and that is a very very difficult

(09:06):
thing to do. And you heard Dana White in the
post fight press conference say, you know, the matchmakers are
kind of looking to see how a guy like Gary
was gonna deal with the pressure of protests, which, by
the way, is a.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Good reason to make this fight.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Like that is a fundamental question that we needed to
get some answers to it. I think for the you know,
in large part, we got a pretty good answer to it.
And again, you know, they want to see what they
had in protest, like could he make some adjustments and
show more dimensions. My problem with this fight, such as
I have one, is it's not I am not going
to sit up here on this show and be like

(09:40):
Gary looked bad. That is just ludicrous. It's so absurd.
I'm not even gonna honor it. I'm not even gonna
honor like you know, oh, he faded a little bit
down the stretch, Yes, of course, but that can happen
when you're twenty seven and it's our first real UFC
a fight that goes a full five rounds against another
top guy in the division. Like, yeah, I mean, I
don't expect it to go flawlessly. Here is basically my problem.

(10:03):
I don't really think I learned anything new about Gary.
I know a lot of people here after the fight
are like, oh, I learned so much about him. I'd
be curious to know what that is. It's not like
he didn't show you impressive things in the course of this.
Please listen to me very closely. That's not my argument.
But my argument is all the things he showed I

(10:24):
was like, I kind of knew he was capable of doing.
What I was hoping for was him to add some
new wrinkles. What I was hoping for was for him
to show some some slightly different adjustments or you know,
elevating his gain in some kind of noticeable way from
the very high but real baseline that existed. And I'll

(10:45):
just be honest with you, I did not see that.
I did not see somebody who showed me something radically
different from the MVP or the shov Cut Rock Mono fight. Again,
some stuff was fine tuned to a degree, but I
knew he could define the terms of the extra I
knew that he would he had more ways to win
and would kind of mix it up and all of
that execution BC For me, it went well. I mean,

(11:08):
for the most part, obviously that round four and then again,
especially the round five bit of a different story, But
in general I went pretty well for him. That doesn't
tell me anything. Here is my basic problem, BC, he's
twenty seven. It seems to me that there is this
giant push in mma for guys to like take advantage

(11:29):
of opportunities to ascend the ladder as fast as they can.
And that makes sense intuitively, and in the case of
someone like Iliotaporia or you know, another.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Elite, elite elite guy.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
That makes a lot of sense. But in the case
of somebody like Gary who's got a lot of ability
to define the terms of the exchange but has poor
finishing mechanics on his submissions, doesn't have big power and
typically doesn't throw in combination, and so therefore these fights
kind of drag out a little bit as a concert quints.
I was waiting for that screw to get turned. What

(12:04):
is the evidence that that screw got turned? I don't see.
I don't see how we got anywhere. So I know
I'm kind rambling a bit. I'll pitch it back to
you here. But it was a fine performance. He looked
really good for long stretches of it. But we knew
he could do all of that, what was new about it?
I didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, you and I were vocal that we knew we
could do that. I think there were a lot of
people though, that didn't take away the quote unquote moral
victory qualities from the shavkup performance that we did, or
were as vocal about it. You saw a lot of
people saying, you know, Gary's not the real deal. Protest
is going to find out over twenty five minutes. And
for those people, for anyone that hates Gary, it's why
this is such a unique fight. The way it played out,

(12:44):
you're still giving fuel to say, look, I was right.
See I mean, we had an ending that wasn't you know,
as dissimilar to Leon Edwards versus Nadaz, which was supposed
to be a big showcase opportunity for Leon against a
big elite name, and he looked great until he didn't.
It almost fell apart and we all got to say, see,
he's not that guy. And I fell for that trap too,

(13:05):
So I get all of that. Could he have been finished,
Should he have been finished? He probably should have been
round five, And let's not forget protests busted his nose
up in round four, which I know that's sort of
a swing round on a lot of people's cards, but
I got I scored at three to two Gary giving
the last two to Protest. We can have a separate
argument about the ten eight or not, but I think Luke,
we did learn more. You said it was his first

(13:27):
five round fight against the elite comp just a second
straight one actually, because the shot Cup fight went the
distance just.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
The same, I guess I mean the one that he won.
But yeah, fair points.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Sure, I saw not sustained evolution of his game, but
in round three it looked like he was very close
to finishing Protests. He had bodied him up with combination punches.
There was that really sneaky uppercut that he threw in
the middle of a four punch combination. I don't remember
if it was round two or three, but that's the
one that visibly hurt Protest, and I do feel like

(13:56):
there was an opening there for him to get the
type of and late in round three that would have
justified everything I had been saying that. I kind of
think pound for Ponti's the second best welterwait in this
entire division. So I think that he continued to show
that when you're talking about fight management, when you're talking
about IQ, when you're talking about mixing in movement with

(14:16):
defense and just smart operation. This guy's truly elite. He's
title level elite. But maybe it's almost more fun that
the trapdoor almost opened up and that Protest never stopped
trying to be a savage, even if he had some
donkey IQ moments late in round five where it is
going to keep people going. Yeah, but it's not perfect

(14:38):
and here's why. And they're right. The final two rounds
were not perfect. It felt like he had used a
little bit too much energy in the first three. It
felt like the aggressive commitment to takedowns that he had
done in round two and round three, which at times
were strategic and gave another offering in his offensive attack
that Protest had to deal with, kind of became spammy,

(14:58):
and he didn't have a whole ton of success. You're right,
he's like, you know, eighty eighty five percent good in
every category, but we are missing him. Just just tighten
that up one more notch and going to that next level.
And he may never be a finisher, he may be
more of an elite game manager. But I think against
a very capable and dangerous guy. He continued to show

(15:21):
you that his IQ was so good that on an
even given night, he can be anybody in this division.
He's still evolving, he's still growing, He's got a lot
of balls. He's taking on one tough fight after another.
But I can't come out of here saying I didn't
learn anything. I learned that he ratcheted up a little
bit more some of the qualities that I see in
him that do make him elite, But he also exposed

(15:41):
that it's not perfect yet. And until he finishes, whether
it's you know, the full five round stamina or being
able to use his grappling more as a weapon and
not just an alternate distraction, then maybe he's not going
to kick that door open and win the title. He's
a work in progress, but in progress right now is
chipping away one ladder wrong after another where he's not

(16:03):
that far out for a title. But it does completely
take away everything I said of what if he does
go in there and knockout Protest and makes this big
statement he's not parachuting in again in the next title
shot after this performance, But I think more than not,
it's a positive he's gonna grow from it, and he's
only gonna get better. Is that fair?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I don't know if he's gonna get better. This is
kind of the problem. I mean what I say, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
What I mean is he has the ability to get
a lot better.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I mean, the fact that he's this good at twenty
seven tells you that he has the ability to be
quite good. But you know, I keep saying this. I
wasn't sure how true it was in previous circumstances, but
it's becoming a little bit more at a bare minimum
for me, there's more evidence for it. He's taking these
fights to like, Oh, I'm the next guy, I'm the
next man up, I'm gonna do this. I'll show up
another ones won't. And that will do you a lot

(16:53):
of good in terms of getting rewarded, especially if you
can roll the dice and win in moving through the
contendership ladder. But it's gonna fuck up your development, right.
This is a guy I said it before, just on
the submission side. Now, obviously Projesss had some pretty good
takedown defense in this fight. There's a lot of stuff
that got a lot of single legs that got stuffed,
which is pretty impressive on the part of the Brazilian.
But if you constantly take fights that you don't get

(17:17):
to really lean into and really work on your craft,
and then in between you're not taking the appropriate time
to really like level up, you're you won't, you won't,
you will just kind of do what you do. And
let me just say this, like at the elite level,
you can't finish everybody. At least it's very difficult to do. Obviously,
the longer you let elite opposition hang around, it becomes

(17:39):
a gigantic liability. And the fact that he scraped out
at the bottom of the fifth here, you know by
the skin of his teeth in the end, I mean
he got a little lucky. He got a little lucky.
Like you let guys hang around, it will cost you.
It absolutely will cost you. Didn't cost him on Saturday night,
but you know he's only a set. It's going to

(18:01):
cost you you. You have to not be a finisher
in every circumstance, but you have to have a part
of your game that can reliably threaten to finish on
a consistent basis at the elite level, like Sean Brady's
got that we talked with Leon Edwards that whole submission
series from top half guard, top reverse half guard.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
He's got it, you know, pick somebody else in the top.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Like, well, did you feel like he was close to
stopping protest like I felt? Or are you saying you
didn't you didn't get that feeling because.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I thought he got I thought he was definitely knocking
on the door. Yeah, sure, but then you know he
didn't do it. And you might say, well, look, bal
Mohammed is the champion and he's not a dynamic finisher. Well,
first of all, he finished Sean Brady on the way
to the title, Like you know what, what stoppage win does?
Does Gary have that compares to that? I don't think
he has one, certainly not on the UFC anyway. And

(18:51):
you know, more to the point, it's like, yes, that
that that thing is something that you know, Ballall is
able to make work for himself in capturing the title,
but like, dude, that's going to catch.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Up up to him too.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
You can't have a style where like every time I'm
gonna bank on twenty five minutes. You can win doing that,
yes you can, but it's a hard way to do that.
And more to the point, it's not even about can
you or can't you. It's like if it's a thing
that you don't even have to do because you actually
take the appropriate time to skill development and to get there,

(19:23):
it's not even the same kind of question anymore.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
He's he This is what's frustrating to me.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
He's not far at all from being a dynamic finisher
on the ground, but he's not seemingly doing anything about it.
I mean, again, this fight was not necessarily the best
his case of that. But you know he's not. I
didn't I didn't see a lot of that. And on
the feet, we doesn't have dynamic power. And I know
you're pointing out there was a couple of times you
put strikes and combinations, but.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
And typically he doesn't. Even in this contest.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
He shows he's got a lot of elite skills and
BC like the fact that he didn't get fished in
f fifth you know he's got good instincts for survival
and that's not nothing, man, And that like that literally
saved his ass in that fifth round, Like that's a
real thing. And his other ability to set up the
timing and the weaponry and is good footwork, like these
are all awesome, But I guess I'm just pointing out,

(20:11):
if you're twenty seven and you've got these other things,
if you try to move through the ladder too quickly,
you'll find yourself maybe at the top of it, but
you're gonna leave behind that moment. Of those moments, I
should say, where you can actually bring the rest of
your game along with you. So many of these guys
want to just rush to the top and their game
gets left behind.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
You don't have to do that if you're twenty seven.
I mean, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I don't know what is gonna happen now, be see,
because he did win this, and I'm sure we're gonna
talk about it. Dana White said he's gonna be the
backup for UFC three fifteen. It sounds like it's a
good thing for him. I really wonder long term if
that's true.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, I think the good thing again is that he
didn't get the stoppage that he's not gonna cut the line,
that he's probably gonna have to wait out Shavcock getting
the first title shot, or even somebody else if schof
Cut isn't ready. There's a lot of people that are
hot right now. But I don't know if I agree
on like the rushing a part. He's twenty seven, it
was his seventeenth pro fight, it was his tenth UFC fight,

(21:09):
and it's not like which sometimes happens where guys whether
it's their fault or whether it's just the way it went.
Remember I'll use Islam Maha Chef for example. By the
time he got to the to the title picture, we
were like, well, we really haven't seen him against enough escalating,
tough out names. I think Gary's got a resume that's
kind of glowing with those types, the Jeff Nils who

(21:31):
he got by by split decision, the Neil Magni, who
he grinded out of decision from I'm not here to
tell you that he is a perfect finished product really,
that he'll ever get there, or that he is, you know,
anything in the direction of a dangerous finisher. He's not.
I'd love to see him use his knees in his
legs more offensively with that big frame at six foot three.

(21:52):
But I feel like, given that he's got star potential,
his time is now, and at least he's learning on
the JI and at least this win will slow the
role of him cutting the line and force him to
get yet another big number one contender type fight. What
I guess, what I'm saying is he may fall in
line and be in the right place at the right

(22:13):
time to grow right before his big close up. But
if he doesn't round out these categories, and here's the
key question, can he win the championship as is right
now without being that finishing threat? He does completely take
away your offense, he does mute what you do great.
Will that be enough against the other elites he's yet
to face in this division? I think that's the real question, Luke,

(22:35):
because he's not getting held back. It's one more fight
and then probably a title.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
My view is the way he's built and what he's
got going on, could he win a title with what
he has?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes, yes he could.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
But I think of someone like Charles Lavera, who had
a bunch of issues that he had to iron out,
including but not limited to, you know, kind of character
under fire, which is a difficult one to fix. But
he began to like, really like those losses made him
lean into skill development and that radically transformed his chances.

(23:14):
You know you're asking is what Gary has good enough
to do?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Big work.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
It is, it is, But every time he goes out there,
you know, he's he has to know he has to
be built for twenty five minutes hard every time. He
has to know that, you know, the chances of submission
are bleak. He has to know he doesn't have the
firepower to put these guys down. He's going to have

(23:40):
to labor his ass off for the entirety of it
and then risk taking a big shot and then having
to scramble. He got away with it against Carlos Protest
in part because Procts made some bad decisions too down
the stretch. I was surprised about, you know, he couldn't
his ground to pound and this, like, I don't know
his finishing instincts did not blow me away.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
With that one. I'll just be honest with you, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Well, I want to ask you straight up, did he
blow it son in that round?

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
A little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's listen, we just talked about Gary doing everything he
could to keep moving, not get the stoppage, not just
lay there and kind of like wait out the clock.
You know, he was trying to hang on and that
makes it tough. But if you're prochest and you've been basically,
you know, behind the eight ball for more or less
twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know, give or take how you're opinion on around
four went, this is this is it. This is your moment.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
You have to absolutely know what to do to control
another person and then finish them off. And you're like, oh,
this is such an unfair standard. This is so high, motherfucker.
This is the ultimate fighting championship. These are people that
want to compete for a world title. Yeah, I'm going
to have high standards. Yeah, I'm going to expect them
to do the extra kinds of things that other guys
simply cannot do. So yes, of course, protest is good.

(24:54):
He might bounce back with a big win right after
this one. It wasn't like you looked terrible or anything,
but I was a little surprised how he couldn't quite
focus his efforts into a single kind of Like if
you're Sean Brady and you had a guy that hurt,
even though he's not a tremendous ground to pound guy,
I know he would have locked up a submission before
the clock and then taking his chances there.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
He would have known where his bread was buttered.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
It just seemed to be like Protest was kind of
I don't know, waiting for serendipity a little bit, and
it didn't.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
It didn't eventually show.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, I mean some people were trying to give him
an out and saying Gary kept locking up his leg.
But dude, when the opening's there, your opponent's hurt, it's
late in the fifth round, you're down on the cards,
he's on his back, jump in there and hammer the
shit hit him in the back of the brainstem. They
don't call that anymore.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
Okayes foul him seriously, seriously, I mean, just just go
him that that was a fail that made him more like, oh,
is he Cheeto Vera at welterweight?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I do I mean to insult Cheeto Vera's He's great,
he can violently stop up to a certain level of
any opponent. But I wanted to see if Protest was
the goods. I guess the rally shows you that he
still could be the good But Luke, I wonder, and
I'm not trying to be the Gary apologist, but if
he ratcheted up his championship stamina and got to the
highest that it could get, We're not having this conversation

(26:11):
in my opinion against protest and he probably wins five
nothing and shuts him out. I wonder, in hindsight, if
Gary it was mismanagement of the gas tank. There was
a lot of times he was circling away, and there's
times he does a strategic and that's part of what
makes him difficult, But there's time sometimes he leans into that.
It feels like a little bit too much, using a
lot of unnecessary motion. Where I wonder if that and

(26:33):
how aggressively he was going for takedowns, he's still learning
that lesson that. You know, I bring up this reference
a lot, but Steve a had to learn that in
the first JDS fight over five rounds, that gas tank management.
So I'm wondering if he gets that, he'll be fine
even if he's not stopping people. Maybe to your point,
it may not be long term forever. It's hard to
do that. You let killers linger in the championship rounds.

(26:55):
You're gonna find out eventually. But I'm wondering if really
the biggest takeaway here is just up that stammer.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
It's a skill issue. It's a skill issue, and this
is the issue for me. I know we have some
audio to this effect, like, of course, dude, you win
a tough fight like that, especially if you're survived late,
you're going to be proud of it.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
He should be proud of it.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Like it's again, it's a commendable effort. It's not like
I'm not at all saying he looked bad and thought no,
not true, not true. What I'm trying to point out
to you is, if you have youth on your side,
going a little slower through the queue at least in
terms of how often you take fights can pay significant

(27:35):
long term dividends. And it appears to me he's trading
on that. He's trading on that by saying, I'm actually
not going to commit to that slower, more methodical skill
development process, but what I might get in return is
I might get to fly through the queue a little
bit earlier. Okay, I think he will.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I think he is. I wonder long term if that
might cost him.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
It's interesting because he does asking himself a star in
the making, you know. I mean, he's got criticized at
how much he's caught. He's copied Connor's playbook purposely at
different times, so I understand, like that's the example he's
looking at and you rush through where opportunity is and
I commend him for taking back to back short notice fights. Here,
I commend him for how much his skill is evolving.

(28:20):
But yeah, we did. We did learn in this case
that there was a little bit of a problem along Island. Look,
I did want to get your take on how harshly
we should judge against Gary because Luke was saying, like,
the one thing I take against Luke Thomas's argument is
about the skill and when he says it's a skill
thing and not a stamina thing, it was a skill thing.
For three rounds he kicked the shit out of protests.

(28:41):
It was a skill thing when he got tired. Where
do you weigh in.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
The middle of that.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I mean, dude, he's obviously still developing. I'm not
like the biggest Ian Gary defender here.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I just liked this matchup for him.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I didn't think it was more like to me, the
story was more about Carlos protest getting exposed. Finally, Like,
I didn't think this protest was that good more than
I think Ian Gary's the next champ or something. But
like you mentioned, I personally I had Ian Gary up
four rounds to none and then I scored a ten eight,
so I had it forty eight forty six. But okay,

(29:13):
I feel like he looked good, dude, I feel like
he looked good up until protest.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Probably could have finished him in the fifth.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
You know, you guys mentioned the fight IQ, but uh, yeah,
I don't know that's really where I am with No.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, I definitely, I definitely think we didn't talk about this.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
We kind of made this like a focus on Ian
Gary and because you know, we obviously have high expectations
for him, and we get all that, but Long Island
Luke is right projest that this to me was like, okay, again,
he's also going up against a young stud in Ian Gary, right,
so we all have to understand that it looked to
me like the limits of his style were really put

(29:49):
out here where you know, he likes to counter guys
and like make them react and like with the high pressure.
And for the most part, again, for the most part,
Gary really denied to him and if you denied him,
he had nowhere else to go. So we talked about
it on Friday, like who's got more ways to win?
It's not just that Gary in theory could have gone
for the takedown and then gotten it and then on

(30:10):
the feet too, he could have won. Obviously, Again, Protest
did a pretty good job, but I'm pointing out some
of these guys just have a certain way to win,
and if you close the door on it, they don't
know where to go they especially.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
If they haven't had to fight through that on the
elite level, and he hasn't. He's been on fire since
leveling up to getting to the Dana Y Contender Series
and then the four straight stoppages. I think he exposed himself.
Luke certainly, and I don't want to say a lack
of fight IQ, but not being situationally ready to pounce
on a big opportunity around five, but even deeper, I
mean he's following Gary around the entire fight. There was

(30:44):
no cutting off the cage that really would have had
to force Gary into more situations where his back was
up against the fence, and those times in round four
and five when it was you saw what happened. And
credit to Protest for having the savagery and the conditioning,
even with all the talk we made about his ten
to fifteen cigarettes a day that he was the fresher
fighter late and it was that freshness that gave him

(31:06):
a shot in there. But yes, I think overall it
felt a little more Cheeto Vera than it fell title
shot two fights away. It did. That's where he's at.
This was his wake up call. Let's go back to
Gary to hear the first piece of sound where dude
and this he did?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
The full send guy? Afterwards he gave a pro wrestling
promo And I'm not saying I'm all in on the
Gary stick and the confidence and all that. I'm not.
I'm kind of more in on the development as a fighter.
And then you know, he does have an attractive wife, Luke,
but that's not part of my oh fucking buck coming up. No,

(31:45):
here's what we need though, We need this sound from him.
Tell me if you like this, hate this all that.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Look, here's some people that aren't talking about. I didn't
have to accept this fight. That's my back to back,
second fight in a row, in short notice, and I'm
gonna do it again in two weeks. Simon Montreal. If
I have the opportunity, I am the epitome of anyone anywhere, anytime.
And if you want to fight the best in the world.

(32:11):
You become the best in the world when you get
victories out today, and the world better realize and put
some fucking respect to my name.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Now I am one of.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
The best farts in this division.

Speaker 7 (32:20):
You know me.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
I hate me. You better show me some fucking respect now.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
It's like, I can't tell you I like it. Yeah, like,
I like it, but it's a little cringe. But I
also kind of think it's ballsy, right.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I like it. I like the moxie.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I like his belief and dude, I'll say this, I
can dude. You know this dude doesn't duck smoke bro.
I mean, he is out there to win it and
he believes he can. And again, he's got so many
different ways to manage the exchanges that you know he
can do impressive things. I don't mind the confidence. It's
just a I don't know, man, It's it's hard to explain,

(32:53):
but I just feel like as somebody who watches like
a ton of tape and like when you have an
eye for watching tape. And I'm not saying like I'm
especially good of what I'm saying is, when you do it,
you are looking for mistakes, You're looking for shortcomings and
it's a little frustrating for me that he's kind of
got to this point and he's like, Okay, this is
good enough to win. True, True, it is good enough

(33:15):
to win, but it's not as good as you can be.
It's not even close. And I just want more for him,
given what he's on the doorstep of Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I hope that it does.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
No, it completely does. The question will be that we
don't have the answer for can He's he's taken all
the other parts of his game up with him as
he stepped up in competition, But these are really big
ones that he hasn't yet finalized or figured out, both
the staminable, the finishing ability. But I mean, look, you
got to give it to him, Like across the board,
he's as like well rounded as you'll get at the

(33:47):
elite level, like the all the tiny intangibles, all the movement,
not you know, being in the right place right time
until he got tired, and that's a big deal. Look,
I almost want to see Protest go full wild man
if you're gonna do the smoking, drinking bit, and you're
also like fun and you're part of this faction of
the fighting nerds that we're all kind of cheering for
because they're crazy and they go after it. I kind

(34:08):
of want to see him not be a technical guy fall,
you know, I'd want to see him go in there
and throw caution to the win more.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, I mean, you know, going technique for technique with
Ian I don't think worked well for him generally speaking. Right,
you have to go in there and get him off
of that game, and you know, great, you stuffed a
bunch of his shots. That's great. That actually was I
thought pretty impressive. But he I mean, here's the thing
that Gary does so well is that he just constantly

(34:35):
disrupts your rhythm. Every time you try to get going,
he just you know, lightly shuts it off, lightly shuts
it off, and the accumulative effect of it is enormous.
And dude, he had no answer for that. Like we're
talking about Ian Gary's skill development, we was talking about
Carlos is Like, dude, he's got work to do.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Maybe put away the ashtray, Luke babe.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't imagine that helps. But
even more than that, it's.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Like again, lefties switched to left handed cigarettes right down on.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
You can only have a singular way to win in
this game if that singular way is lights out, and
even then it really needs to be all It needs.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
To be multifaceted.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
And I don't think he's quite absorbed that lesson yet, but.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
He does get a lot of training all over the place.
And I know by now everybody's watching, Oh my god,
BC just starting only fans with him, But no, I
just think like he's evolving. What do you think of
his corner though, of Diego Lima and Damian Mile.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I mean, that's an amazing corner.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Bro. Yeah, it's pretty good people that he seems to
be working with representing Shoot to Box. Let's close out
some of the sound. We have to fully frame the
rest of the story because look, the big question is
what's next. I am of the belief Jack Delametolano. Of
course we already know is the UFC three sixteen June
seventh opponent for Blal. I'm of the belief that it
should be Shavcott next. But if Shavcott is not ready,

(35:54):
I'm ready for Sean Brady to get to cut the
line and get either the rematch against Blal or just
get a straight title shot. YEA, let's say Shafcott is healthy.
Do you feel like Sean Brady Ian Gary is that
final Boss number one contender fight to get to the top.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's either it's either that or the Buckley fight. And
I know we'll talk about this because Buckley has work
cut out for him in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
But it's one of those two.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Let's hear Gary talk about his plan and how he's
going to get to the belt.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
You guys know I like plans, right, you guys know
I have visions in my mind. Well, let me tell
you what's next. I'm gonna fight the winner. I believe
it's Balal, and that's nothing against Jack. I just believe
stylistically Blal has the what it takes to get this
fight done and quite convincing. So I'm gonna fight Balal next.
I'm gonna beat Balo. Balal has said it many many times.
I am the toughest opponent in the division for him

(36:45):
them and Palal doesn't have the belt. There's a certain
pound for pound number one who wants to come up,
and his name is Islam Makashev and I have nothing
but love and respect for that man in his style.
There and be an honored to share the octagon with him.
I would love to wear out the improve against him
in my first title defense that I'm the pound for
pound number one, I be him, I take that status.
I win, I win my first title defense, and then

(37:08):
Shavka gets the rematch, and I'm gonna go out there
and I am going to dismantle that man and prove
that he never won that fight. And that's my next fight.
Three flight pound. That's how I see it going, and
I don't want I don't want that any other way.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well, Luke, that's brash. It's good to have a plan.
He's carrying himself like a star. But I think for
his development and for the the hierarchy and the whole
ranking system, like he can't be next unless he had
gotten a stop edge, and you're like, okay, they're gonna
roll the dice on the star. So his plan seems
a little bit flawed. Do you think though, that, like,

(37:45):
if you're the backup, you're not guaranteed the next title shot.
We've seen a million guys be backups that that were
just being opportunists in that moment. I don't think the
backup gets it to him. Do you think the UFC
will see the value in making him earn it one
more time. Can fuck with meritocracy if you didn't if
he cut the line now.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I think he'll cut the line if they need him to.
Like fought Rockmannel on short notice, took this one on
short notice. If they need a lifeline, they'll call them. Well,
because you know what's ian Gary gonna say?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
No, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
But I don't know if it's like I don't know
if that beyond that, if he's like front of the
pack for them. I think that to me remains unclear
and probably not true.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
All Right, Well, let's hear from the boss, Dana White
reviewing Gary's performance after the fight.

Speaker 8 (38:36):
He definitely gets in there and and uh controls everything
at the pace what he wants to do when he
wants to do it, even against the guy. You know,
the question was tonight with proudest going there and put
unbelievable pressure on him stay in his faith. Then then
then we were wondering, you know, would he even take
him down and hold him down? You know, So those
were all the all the questions we had too were answered.

(38:58):
But this is one of those fights that on paper,
you know, the kid's thirty one years old. He's got
a great record, and it's not tonight like like he
went out there and you know, did some uh you
know if he did some some m a shit that
this kid isn't ready for yet or whatever. With a

(39:19):
stand up fight, and he controlled the pace, he controlled everything.
He did what he wanted to do when he wanted
to do it. But the great thing was in the
last round Prodest obviously was trying to finish the fight.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
So Ian announced himself as the official backup for your
well toweight title fight in Montreal?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Is that official?

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Did he just announce that himself?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
It's official?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, I mean he's doing what you do. If you
want to be you know what Chandler did, you want
to get to the top, you'd be ready, you'd be available.
Let's see if it's to his detriment. So, Luke, do
you think if Buckley beats Usmann, Buckley's Buckley is not
going to cut the line here? Buckley would fight, would
fight Gary next.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
That's that's that's my guess.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
My guess is if Buckley wins, comes out relatively unscathed,
they're gonna make that fight.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yes, well, now, look, could you give me odds on
your thoughts here as the betting degenerate of what the
Gary odds would be against Buckley and Brady.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Against Buckley, He's definitely gonna be the favorite. I'd say
like minus one fifty Buckley plus one twenty five.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
You don't want f round with new Man's round four though,
you don't want to do that.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Yeah, and then shit, Sean Brady is a good one.
That might be like a pick them, that might be
like minus one ten either way.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I mean, look, that would come down to his takedown defense.
But if he could stop the takedown against Sean Brady,
you might be in the driver's seat for another five
round decision.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Right, But I don't. I am less confident that Gary
can get away. I mean, so, for example, Gary got
away with one because MVP's grappling is not super awesome. Yes,
got away with one. I mean he lost, but like
he he lets something slip through his fingers against Rockmanov

(41:08):
because his finishing mechanics weren't great. Here, he survived, but
he led a guy with you know, pretty respectable power
and good pressure hang around. It's like, okay, the rock
Monov one because you know, who knows what state rock
Monov was in because he was obviously pretty fucked up physically.
But I have a feeling that we're about to get
to a territory where it's going to be less forgiving
on some of this stuff. This is kind of my problem.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
It's like, you though, when you have when you have
visibly vulnerable that you know, like asking you Joshuah he
was champion of boxing, was like every fight he's on
the verge of getting, you know, caught with one random
shot that turns the entire fight around.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
It's like, dud, It's like it's almost like Gary is
going to turn every opponent into Tank Davis. And what
I mean by that is, you know, Tank loses long
stretches of the fight and then just puts one on
him and then you know, not the roach fight, but
you know, historically that's typically what happen happens. And I'm
not saying that you know, Buckley is is Tank Davis,
but I'm saying, you know, just he's gonna win long

(42:06):
stretches of that fight, but he's gonna get clobbered with
one at some point. And dude, it's all bets are off,
Like he lets these people hang around that to me
is the problem.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
But yeah, we do you let these people hang around
in your house, you know your wallet's gonna be missing,
your get knocked up? Yeah, you know you got to
get these squatters out of there. Let's also see some
bushido here by Gary, who wanted to show that Brazilian
love and respect of his wife's uh origin homeland. I
don't know. Is this from the UK? I don't know.

(42:34):
Let's just watch.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I don't fucking know, dude, I don't care.

Speaker 9 (42:46):
I feel you're gonna sit the other again, maybe before
they died due this.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, buddy, pam.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Vine Sina the bagel at his rightn't seen him there?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Look, isn't he just me if I married a woman
from South America? Stre's really we've gotten We've gotten to
the bottom of it.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Right, You're much closer to process smoking galaxy gas, yes, yes,
you know, and drinking and making otherwise questionable life choices.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Indeed. Also, we got one final piece of sound, and
this is Joaquin Buckley. We're gonna get to the breakdown
of his upcoming fight in Atlanta against Kamara Usman. But
he was at the fight. He gave his thoughts on
me and Gary, right right.

Speaker 9 (43:33):
So the reason why he don't understand me is because
I don't speak cooking knees, you understand. So so I
can understand why he didn't understand me the first time.
But you know, when I was out there and you know,
he doing his way in, you know, and I'm not
trying to get into his head and nothing like that.
But when you talk a light, when you talk like that,
don't act like when you see me like I'm invisible,

(43:54):
you talking about me, You're saying my name? How that
let me know something? But you know, his gil very protective,
protecting their man.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (44:02):
She using a baby, I can see you whatever, But
it just is what it is, you know. But I
really want to see what you know any Gary's about.
It's just what he had to say to me in person.
And he was real quiet.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
So what did you make of that reaction then that
you got from because we saw I think the security
tried to escort him off the stage and he kind
of stood there and.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I mean, nothing happened.

Speaker 9 (44:19):
I mean, this girl was touching on my arm and
stuff like that, you know what I mean, caress my arm.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I ain't know what all that was about.

Speaker 9 (44:24):
But I feel like, you know, security, you know, you know,
they gotta do their job because they just never know
how fight it's gonna react, you know, so you know,
shout out to.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Them, but you know, all out for me.

Speaker 9 (44:33):
I just want to promote and have a conversation because
if we really gonna get down, let's get paid for it.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Look, they were referencing the ceremonial way and when Buckley
was standing near Ian Gary's wife, who long Islan Luca's
reporting is from London but has a Brazilian mother, Luke,
since you were very interested in the details there, I
mean him coming out to Laylah by Derek and the Domino's.
That's that's also that's like real cool and a monster
cuck move at the same time. But like it's I

(45:01):
don't know, Luca may you.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
May sometimes they intersect sometimes.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
As they do. So that that's that from Buckley. He
I don't know what that was all about. Now he's
saying that she was getting up on the arm. I mean,
this is gonna be a great rivalry. It's gonna be
a great fight. Would you want this more than the
Sean Brady fight for you?

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
And in the I would love to see both.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
But in the words of Joaquin Buckley, it's Cuck versus
buck is gone.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Feed nations. You understand like it's gonna be it's gonna
be a winner.

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Yeah, it's gonna be fantastic. Let me get that Blanco
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of results to look in this one, but a big

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one was the retirement of Anthony Smith in the co
main event and the handling of it so he ultimately
Anthony Smith, the former light heavyweight title contender, would get
bludgeoned in his fight that would come against Jeng Ming Yang.
The stoppage is questionable, but not I don't think the

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stoppage of Smith's career. I want to say really nice
things about Smith, and we will, but I did want
to get your opinion on how they handled it. They
had a decorated, detailed video package ready, Luke like Hall
of Fame treatment ready. This guy's beloved, there's no question
by his colleagues, but they gave him the full red

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carpet love exit treatment here after the conclusion of a
very respectful career.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
People are so wrong about Anthony Smith. And I realize
that he says stuff that is, you know, kind of ludicrous,
and the Internet likes to dunk on him and whatnot.
But it's like, you know, the people who are clowning him,
you're just telling me it's fine, Like nobody has to
have been around forever. But like people are like, oh,

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why is the UFC staff doing it well?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Number one?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Like they might like Anthony Smith more than they like
step Amocich. And I understand that, like, you know, STEVEE
had a much better career, but nevertheless, like it's their organization.
People are like, oh, they're playing favorites. I'm like, did
you just show up? This is you know, this is
kind of how it goes but putting that aside, the
reason why Anthony Smith gets a lot of respect from
his colleagues is not just because he works there as

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a commentator or because you know, he shows up and
fights even against tremendous odds. It's because this guy was
never supposed to be here to begin with, and he
forced his way in the door. And when you do
something like that, people take notice. He was a also
ran guy from the Midwest who was, you know, not

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remarkable in Strike Force, had to fight in Belatore, had
an initial fight in UFC that didn't go anywhere. Washed
out of that kind of came back, did like the
regional scene a million times, won a bunch of fights,
lost some fights, won a bunch of fights, lost some fights.
But then somewhere along the way everything began to click
and people are like, oh, all he did was end
up beating you know, I'll make something up Rashad and

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Shogun and they were washed. Okay, he definitely built his
name doing that, but you know, beating vulcan Uzdamir the
way he did, beating Gustason the way he did.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I mean, he.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Absolutely turned into something that not one person who was
watching his career two three years before that would have
ever predicted he is a success story despite the many,
many odds that were in front of him, and he
was not you know, he was not first round draft pick.
I mean, obviously there's no no draft, but you know,
whatever the equivalent would be, he was not that guy.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
But he just refused to go away.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
He refused to succumb to the broader set of circumstances
and turned himself into a very for a time anyway,
obviously not anymore, but for a time he turned himself
into a very respectable fighter in a UFC title contender.
You know, you don't have to like what he says
in the media. Fine, and if you want to say
the last few years have just been not you know,
super impressive.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Who's going to argue with you.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
But people acting like, you know, oh, I don't get
why they like this guy. They like this guy because
he fucking earned it. That's why they liked this guy.
And you have to understand when you go from absolutely
nothing to something pretty remarkable, people tend to take notice.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I recommend other people try.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, I'll give him, there's no question you give him that.
I mean, this is a seventeen year career in which
he had sixty fights. I mean, he was coming into
his own in the UFC with like thirteen losses at
the time. Because there were times he didn't take his
career seriously or didn't you know, he wasn't given those
big opportunities. When we sat down with him for Room
service diaries, any lingering jokes about ah luke, that's your guy,

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let's all you know, have fun here, they got to
go out the window because you meet the guy and
he's so genuine And I think the biggest takeaway I
had from our RSD with him is exactly what you
see played out in his fights and sometimes especially on
this losing streak to end his career where he lost
four of his last five and was stopped in three
of them, you don't want to see him take punishment.
And I'm not trying to point out his ability to

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take punishment was one of his greatest calling cards. But
on the flip side of that, obviously it's it's his
durability and his courage. And when he told this on
the RSD, was he just doesn't have an off switch
to say no or stop when he's in turmoil, and
that can obviously be a gnarly situation in fights against
absolute killers who are pouring it on you. But that's

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the spirit that got them to where he was, and
I certainly have so much respect for that. I was
surprised Luke though, that they gave I mean, I was
surprised they gave that treatment to Waterson too, and how
they're selective, Like I don't remember DC getting the red
carpet rolled out, you can you know the Robbie Lawler
won the Manda Nunis one. I thought they handled beautifully.
That they're not that critiquing how they handle it is
really a thing. But I was surprised that they like

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gave him the champion treatment.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, yeah, they they gave him more than they gave
step A.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
And for people who be like, I don't think that's fair,
I fully agree with you, fully agree with you.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
The argument isn't that, you know, they shouldn't have done
it for Smith.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
The argument should be, if they're gonna do something like
that for Smith, then they should do something like that
or more for somebody like Stepe. That's the arguments of me,
like people being like, oh, I have no idea why
Smith's colleagues seem to like him so much, well, pay
better attention to his history.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
It's not it's not a mystery.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
We know that a guy like Cowboy Seroni, for example,
wasn't a champion, but it has just carved out such
an identity. And some of that is the character and
what he represents too, but obviously it's the badass fights,
the willingness to fight all the time. I mean, Smith
fulfilled that in a different character way, and that's very
valuable to a company, and the UFC appreciates that. When

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you've got somebody who can headline on the moment's notice
and you can put him in there against anybody, they're
willing to fight, they will want to be out there
competing and can do it at a high level for
a long time. I'd be killing, you know, I'd be
given a disservice if we didn't respect this man for
what he's accomplished. And and he's an inspiration too on
top of that. And look, the great news is that
even though I don't agree with his takes on power Slap,

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he's a good broadcaster. He's a good podcaster, like he
can add to this space in a lot of ways
moving forward. So it's great to see him go out
on his own terms here.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Well, so I didn't. I didn't hate the stop it.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
He got cut real bad with that elbow when they
were standing, and you know he wasn't exactly, but dude,
did you know to borrow from uh? From Stephen Bredman?
Edwards look to me like he had a little loose
change on him.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
You know, Yes, I was.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Okay with it.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
He should have been done probably, And again I haven't.
Everyone else can hate Anthony Smith. I don't, but I
do think he probably should have called it a day,
maybe even after the Vitor Petrino fight. To be perfectly
honest with you, you know, so I was happy that
they closed it off, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
When you get wins like that, you get that itch
if it's exactly and look it's not. I remember a
Rishot always being honest with us. That transition. Now that
he's going to have, at least he has things to
fall back on, but it's gonna be hard for anyone.
So because that's the that's what motivates him, that's his identity,
that's his craft, his favorite thing. So I can identify
with that. But we wish Anthony Smith, well, here's his

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final message on the Twitter to call off a great
career on the IG, which you know I'm gonna be
honest with. That's too small for me to read right now.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
That's a rap.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Congrats to Jang. The light heavyweight division is on notice.
You're going to have a great career. Thank you to
all the people who have supported me all these years.
I was never good enough to make it this far.
I'm just really happy that it all happened. Thank you
to the UFC for saving my life. Dude, Like, this
is what I mean, man, that you know, these improbable.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Stories are people who are never ever ever supposed to
be here and then they find a way to do it.
And I don't know people.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
People can like and dislike who they want p see.
But I think that's pretty admirable.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Do you like his tattoo package over it?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I don't know. I don't, okay.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I just wanted to hear the truth.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
He's got a couple of them that are pretty good,
for sure, But he's got a lot that I.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Not to get a lot of dream catchers. But it worked, Luke,
he caught him for sure, John Min Yong Luke, he
seems like he's got some charisma. He gave some really
corny one liners in English afterwards. Here is him talking
about who he really wants to fight next time.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
I want to you.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
It says, want you to be sad, you need?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
What's that when I see him?

Speaker 11 (55:37):
Yeah, it's that I watched your fight in Singapore and
you want your fell that fight. I like your style,
to respect your your warrior spirit. And now, although you
are not a champion anymore, but I would like to
fight you to test myself.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Look, that's a big call out. Are you like an
early belief that there's something there with that guy? Because
he's got size too.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Mmm, no, but he's got he's no, No, you think he's.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
A dog in waiting. I know you do.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I know he's a little bit better than a donk.
He's not like I mean in some of his other fights,
I was.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Like, oh Jesus, okay, you know, but he you.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Know, he's got a little something to him. But I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
I'm not penciling him in for a title shot. I'll
put it that way.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Okay, that's fair, Uh, Luke, be honest with you. Did
Michelle Pereira, who had a full ensemble dance to the cage,
which is his old calling card, and then he used
to gas out right. Oh no he still does, Luke,
he guessed out here a boost Maga Metov gets a
thirty to twenty seven on all three. What are we doing?
I mean, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Luke he you know.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
So so this gets back to that debate that Jed
and I had about Yeerie on the on the pregame
preview from a couple of fights ago, where I was like, no,
he should get better, like he you know, like, oh,
he's exciting.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
We don't want to change that.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
But I'm like, yeah, you're he has been at the time,
he's gotten Now he's better or we'll see.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
But like his last performance obviously a gats Jamal Hill
was really good.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Uh, but before that he just had poor defense, And
I'm like, you can you can have better defense and
still like be who you are, And to me, that
Jamal Hill fight is like total evidence of that. But
then you have someone like Perreiro where it's like, oh,
we want to make you better, and then you kind
of make him, you know, like a cookie cutter kind
of fighter, and it just ruins him.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
It just ruins him.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
It ruined him completely and more to the point, you know,
it's like, dude, how are you this muscular and athletic
and your cardio is that shitty?

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Like how is that? How is that possible? How are you.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Dance? Luke? That takes a lot out of him, man,
I Like.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
It's just unbelievable. So to me, it's like, you know,
I maybe he has got a future in karate combat.
I'm not even saying that pejoratively, Like, you know, dude,
sam Alvi has a few had like has carved himself
out a little niche over there, but he doesn't have
a bright future in the UFC.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I could say that.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I think that's another guy where he's just gotta go
full on clown now and just like be a crazy
Like I think he needed to be all or nothing
a lot of ways on whether he's gonna take it
serious and not flip off the cage in the middle
of the fight. Like I know, it's super exciting he
does superhero shit, but if he's gonna do I know,
like there's the connection with the crowd that brings him
in joy. I've heard long interviews from him before translated

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where he just like talks about that the adoration of
the fans is like everything. That why he's in here.
He just wants to entertain. So just be the full
on brawler, crazy entertainer, Spider Man opponent, Like, just lean
into it completely because because trying to try to do
both is not working for you. Look, there's a lot
of fights you could talk about on here, but was
there a better brawl than Randy Brown at welterweight? And

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Nicholas Dalby, who Dolby's knows was was pointing at jan
Duropa Luke and you know what I mean. The thing
here is he almost scorted a stoppage after getting after
being on the verge of death, but lingered long enough
for Randy Brown to give him the old I mean,
that is just a brute tall ko. What does this

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say about Randy Brown, Luke? Because that's your fight of
the night. The crowd went bannah nah Luke, They went
full Jason Rosario.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I thought for the most part, I mean, obviously Brown
got dropped and what was that the was he get
dropped in the first He got dropped in the first, right, Yeah, yea,
he got dropped in the first. And I was like, oh,
you know, because before that he was looking pretty good.
He was keeping he was keeping Dolby at the end
of his punches, he was flowing, he was kind of pressuring,
you know, he was dealing with any kind of blitz.

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He gets dropped because he kind of doubled up on
his jab and didn't take good account of the defense.
But you know, in general, dude, Like it's kind of funny.
I was thinking about this. It's like, how many times
do you have to get to know someone to really
understand them as a fighter, you know what I mean,
Like you see them as a prospect, you kind of
get a sense after a few fights, and you know,

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sometimes they can change jet up a little bit later
as a contender.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Brown's thirty four.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
But it's like I feel like he's actually finally starting
to really put everything together and like you almost now
have to take a brand new look at him. I'm
not here to say that, like, oh, in this stacked division,
for a guy who's been here forever, all of a sudden,
he's just gonna start surging through. It's really not my point,
but clearly he can do I think I never I
never thought poorly of him, but I didn't know if

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he was going to ascend to anything into the ranked spaces, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
He might be ready for four or five looks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, yeah, exactly like now he might be ready for that.
And that ko was vicious again, Not everyone's going to
kind of charge at you in that way that's going
to enable that dude. It almost with that right hand
and the way Dalby felt it almost looked like Holloway
putting Gaygee's lights out a little bit. I mean, obviously
slightly different, but it had a similar kind of feel
that in that precise moment. So I'm just trying to

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point out, like, dude, Randy Brown is asking us to
take a new look at him, and I think he's earned.
I think he's earned us kind of trying to reevaluate
who he is at this stage and with this win,
he should move up the ladder and wherever that might be.
And I thought it was very imps again, even with
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Of adversity in general, pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
And look, he was born in Springfield, mass right near
myself before moving to Jamaica as a toddler. The one
loss in that five fight, since he was subbed out
by Jack Della, was that Brian battlefight that was not
only a split decision and could have gone his way,
but remember battle missed Wade and then was like, all about,
I'm going to use the weight that I missed to
wrestle you the whole way and just win. Like it was.

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He actually is probably better than that stretch indicates.

Speaker 10 (01:01:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I don't know if he's going to make that next leap, Luke,
but he earned this one. Holy shit, And dude, Alby
took a bite in Luke. He took a damn beating
on national television. Thank you for that, Nicholas Dlby that one,
were you not entertained from the crowd just losing their
fricking mind, Like that's what every Saturday night is supposed
to be, Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
That's what it is. That's what he delivered. They asked
him to deliver, and he did. And again I think,
you know, to your point about the battle fight, which
was the one just before this, you know, it didn't
go his way and it was weird, But like you know,
in general, dude, he's looking like he's looking like he
can do a little something something. I would like to
see what that ultimately leads us to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yeah, do you like those videos? Going around where you
bank seniors like Rasafari. He's pretty bad ass.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Luke, I've not seen that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Oh my god, dude, there's a whole new rabbit hole
you need to go down of When he adopts his
mother's tongue and does the Jamaican bit, but then then
works right back into the classy English bit. I mean,
the guy's like, Okay, he should be on Broadway or something, Luke.
You know he's he's a wow all right, Luke. Also,
Jiga Chikazi, you argued he could have been the favorite here.
It was a competitive ass fight, but he lost two

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rounds one to David Oama across the board in their
catchway Long Island.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Luke, how did you score that fight? Twenty nine twenty
eight Onama? What is your sense about where Chikazi is anymore?

Speaker 11 (01:03:04):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Dude, he looked damn good round one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
I said, if he could keep up this pace for
three rounds, like, he's someone to be messed with. As
soon as Onama realized he could take him down, he
was like, oh shit, well this is an easy path
to victory. And I feel like anyone now going forward
is just going to follow that game plan.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
So right, yeah to me. To me, I think it's
a good read.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I think Chikazi has like overall a higher level of
certain kinds of skills, but I don't I'm hesitant to
say damage goods we see, but I feel like he's
been solved. And once once that happens to you, it's
hard to wrestle that back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
He's in a tough place.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I agree. I agree with you on that, but this
is uh, this card delivered Luke Ikromala Scaroff first round
hammer to Andre Munize. Terrible he did, but like Alice
Scaroff needed this coming off of that Whittaker demology, demolition
and the time off. I wasn't like overly impressed, but
he's a hammer. He dropped the hammer. The fight was

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over quickly after that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Yeah yeah, I mean he hit him in like you know,
he just pressure up against the fence, got a few
shots through that would it wobbled him or it dropped
him anyway, and then he polished him off basically like
you know, it doesn't tell us much, but good for
Aliecaoff to you know, get back on the winning track
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
And dude, Matt Schnell in the preliminary featured about coming
out of retirement at flyweight against Jimmy Flick. First of all,
that was a great fight. I felt like the decision
was was kind of up in the air. Dude, Schnell
should just stop with his retirement bit. The dude still
got it. This fight was musty TV. Look it was.
It was a great TV fight against small fighters just
switching positions, grapple and like natst down there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
It's just what It's just a question of what these
guys want, you know, like Jim Miller was able to
extend his career because he was willing to take fights
to other guys you know, at his stage are typically
not I don't think Schnell's gonna win a title at flyweight, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I don't think that's necessarily unfair BC.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
But if he wants to fight these kinds of guys
and these kinds of fights, to your point, he seems
fully capable of winning them and doing it in exciting fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
As much as I'm impressed with him, and I'm like, yeah,
stay around, this was great, am I just impressed that
we're out of the APEX. I mean, it's not like
we haven't been out of the APEX lately, but I
feel like this is that fresh reminder. Even though I
liked this card on paper and I love the Main Event,
this is that fresh reminder that when you're in a
location that is just yearning for it, and there's a
lot of those locations still even with the price gouge

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and going on, that people are breaking down walls to
come see the UFC. Dude, this matters, This adds to it.
There was a bunch of moments on this card where
I come back from the bathroom and it sounds like
main event level pops from that crowd that just kind
of fuels like a addictive like STDs in college, Luke,

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he just gets passed around so quickly it gets contagious, right.
The Casey crowd was very STD like, Yeah, you know,
if if you're willing to make that, if you're willing
to reach or around. Hey, Luke, what else did you
like on this undercard? I don't know if you could
be as eloquent as that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Though Joce Edwards had a nice win.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
You know, I'm not sure what it exactly means, but
I've never been super high on her and that was
a pretty It was a nice win.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
It didn't look like Chelsea Chandler went all in on
like fitness. I wondered if if that was she did.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yes, absolutely, you could even tell a couple of days out,
like some of the media pictures that came out. I
was like, Oh, she's a pretty good shape, Jocely. That
was look pretty good. I think Demon Black Sheeer is
always someone that you should keep in mind. He he,
I think he's got some real ability. Chris Gutierrez getting
the win was good as well. But to me, we
you know, uh, oh, what was the one I wanted
to mention.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
It's kind of about Cameron Simon getting sent to hell again, Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Oh yes, god dude, I mean he kind of came
to the UFC with a ton of hype and it
has not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Oh that that was a rough fall too. You know.
I wish we could show it, but they would copyright
this Shyeah, they just.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
They'll just take down the show because they're haters. But yeah,
that's that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Oh dude, I gotta mention this featherweight who I'd never
heard of Long Island, Luke. Should I know about Timothy
Kowamba because he would hit that flying knee on Roberto
Romero and the crowd lost their damn mind.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Well he was losing that fight pretty bad, dude. He
lost the first round pretty clearly. Also, that's a Nixic guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
You probably know Timmy Kwamba, right, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I'm actually I got introduced to him through this event.
I've not talked to coach about it, so, uh, you know,
no surprise that an Eric Nixon train fighter is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yep. Yeah, we had bad ass right there. Fun card
over the weekend. Now, Luke, we got to transition them
to topic number three and it's some cards that were
are to come. We did get a Dana White public
social media announcement of new fights and they are exciting.
We did not get the full updates even with Dana's
press conference appearance on Saturday about when Jones aspenall athough

(01:07:55):
he remains confident will happen or will Elia Islam, Dana
didn't sound like Hew in that regard. Here's what he
does know about, though, and this is awesome. UFC three
eighteen in mid to late July in New Orleans will
be the final fight for Dustin Poier in the home state,
and it's Max Holloway in the trilogy for the dan
BMF title, Like, yeah, this is the good shit right there.

(01:08:18):
So look, this is the right fight to make. I
can ask you if it's not, but I think you'd
have to agree Central casting. Nobody loses here. We're gonna
get tons of bousheeto on the way out, maybe even
in the hospital room. But it'll all be under the
name of love Luke. What a match. I can't wait
for this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I saw some people bitching about this, and I gotta
tell you, I don't really get that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Here's one argument that I saw, which was, Okay, if
Pourier wins, he gets a title, but then he's gonna retire.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
So now what happens with the belt?

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
And I'm like, well, if you're the UFC, that just
gives you a chance to plug it in any other
place you want it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Like, it's a gimmick belt to begin with, obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
But you know, if you want to send it into
the welterweight to vision, if you want to send it into.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
The defend it, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Not like exactly exactly you can send it, send it,
send it to fucking Flyway.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I mean, who cares.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Whatever you can do, whatever you want so that gives
them some flexibility there also if Max wins not for nothing,
like you know, first of all, like understand what it
would mean for Max to beat Dustin?

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
PORI.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I don't mean the context. I'm saying, what is it
gonna look like in an effort where Max gets his
hand raised over Dustin?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
And the answer is BC war Wow, that's the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
What isn't good for Luke?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
That's the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Like if you're like, what version of Max winning is like, oh,
take down to the back and chokes them out, nah Son,
That's not what's gonna happen. That's not what's gonna happen
at all. It's gonna be It's gonna be an absolute
blood and guts dog fight. So you know, to me,
it's like that is a reason enough to do it.
Putting back in Louisiana, smoothe King Center, which is you know,

(01:09:57):
right downtown if you've never been to New Orleans is
right downtown.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
It's literally right next to the super Dome down there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Like the homecoming of it all we talk, we're just
talking about, you know, giving Smith like this big treatment.
I hope that Poortier gets an amazing send off and
I'm glad the UFC is doing it, and I feel like, dude,
like you just know this fight is gonna rule. I
mean the chances of it being bad that they exist,
but they seem bc for me, infintestically small. Now Long

(01:10:25):
Island Luke is also mentioning okay, but Holloway has lost twice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
You know, why should I really care about a third fight? PC?

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Can you think of a boxing doesn't have to be
just a trilogy? Because I know, you know, for example,
Pakiao Marquez fought more than that, But like, can you
think of a fight that at least or a series
of fights between two guys where one was down two
oh and one of the third Hello, I would point
out to people Rampage lost to vandal A twice and
then it was only in the third fight where he
punched his fucking lights out, So it can happen absolutely,

(01:10:57):
But is there one on the boxing side that stands out?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I mean, the Pacquiao Marquez one is unique because there
was a draw, and then you had two Pacquiao wins
and controversial wins, both being controversial, and then you get
the just insane one way knockout there with Marcuz I
mean it has happened. I'm trying to think. I mean,
certainly back in the day when you know, in like
the sugar Ay Robinson era where you know they've got

(01:11:21):
a bunch of famous rivalries there where guys fought five, six,
seven times. But I don't have the relevant recent one
that leaps out at me. It is a rare occurrence,
although there's been times where I think it's been necessary,
Like I thought we should have got way Lee versus
Rose at one fifteen in a trilogy that would have
followed those same rules.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Also not for nothing, but like Max Holloway, dude, before
the UFC three hundred, you know, I thought that people
were being a little bit alarmist.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
But like most people, I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Was like, I don't know about this fight for Max.
This is you know, we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
A not just a guy in Gechee who's good, but
like a known bruiser, right, and dude, everyone focuses on
the knockout. Hello, Max beat his ass? Are we forgetting this?

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Like Max looked awesome in that fight, And to go
back to forty five, which I did not think going
forty five fifty five then back to forty five was
gonna serve him very well against iliot Poria.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Sure enough, it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
But the thing that I go back to is I've
talked to Max's people a bunch of times. You know,
they weren't really ready for fifty five when they thought
Pooria the second time they just cut less weight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
But now he's like building up, building up, building up,
building up. Look at the punching.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Power that he showed at fifty five, not just in
the knockout, but like even before that, and the overall
array of skills he's developed. I got news for everybody. Dude,
Max Holloway. He's probably an underdog right now. He's a
live dog in that fight, and if he gets a
win over Poorier, it puts him right back to the
front of that division. At fifty five, It's like, like,

(01:12:52):
what the fuck is the problem with this fight? I mean,
I know most people are happy, but just with the
critics out there, it's time to it's time to it's
time to wake up, little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
It is it is, And Holloway just knocked out the
guy in Gatchee who had just knocked out Poorier by headkake.
When we were having the same questions about because Poorier
still that guy, and look what he gave us against Mahachev.
So yeah, I think Holloway is in certainly a better
position to get his first win. Luke, don't forget Tito
Ortiz finally got a win after two losses to Ladell

(01:13:22):
and that's okay. That's gold rip, golden boy MMA on
that one. No, dude, this rules. And I love, I
mean I love when non title fights can be must
see enough in their own cool ass way to be
a pay per view main event. And it's you know,
it's it's it's rare. It's like a McGregor Diaz. It's
like a rampage for shot. You don't see it a lot,

(01:13:44):
but this is one of those, even with the ceremonial
BMF title. It's just like sometimes you just gotta make
fun action fights, just like sometimes you got to make
potentially shitty action movies like The Expendables and just get
your friends together and have like a old guy all
star Game of Action Stars. This is what this is also, Luke,
It's entertainment. People want to come in and cheer these

(01:14:06):
guys into hell and then pull them right back out
with their love. Let's go the score one for MMA,
but look, what do you think about the Atlanta card
that also got announced that is going to have Joking
Buckley against Kamara Usman in the main event, A huge
test for Buckley against the name who's still got something
even though he's on a losing streak and is coming

(01:14:28):
off of that Chamaya have lost at middleweight.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I think I don't think it's a huge sost I
think Buckley's going to work them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
They could be that. It could be that time, and
we have questions about Usman's knees and and you know
and all that. I mean, look, he he did come
back in that third round against chremaiyav to save face.
It was a division up. He's had a lot of
time off, He's had injuries that he's taken care of.
But it's Buckley's time to get a name like this,
and with this division being you know, so clogged at

(01:14:54):
the moment at the top, Hell yeah to that, and Luke,
even though I'm kind of sad that Rose has this
far down the rankings, Miranda Maverick, we've needed to see
her against a legit name because she can go on
these runs against secondary competition. How about Rosenambinus against Miranda
Maverick at one twenty five in the co main event.
Is this this is not a pay per view correct?

(01:15:16):
A fight night?

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
This is a fight night? Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
This is a badass one two punch, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
It's a great one two punch. First of all, I
just want to say something Aboutjaquem Buckley.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
So here's he.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
He lost two in a row at eighty five, right,
So he lost the decision to Nesserdine Imovov okay, and
then Chris Curtis punched his lights out, which was actually
kind of surprising at UFC two eighty two. But since
then he hasn't lost. He beat Andre Fialio and then
Alex Morno whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
But he beat.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Vicente Luke, who is you know, I think, not like
old age wise, but certainly long in the tooth on miles.
Then he beat nurseltan Rusa Boyev, which you know doesn't
tell us much. Then he knocks out Wonder Boy, and
then he stops Colby. My man is out here just
cleaning up the elderly section of the welterweight division, just
just absolutely thrashing them and pushing them out the door.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Here he is with Kamar Usman. Kamar Usman is in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
My mind, the second best welterweight of all time. He
has a very decorated career. I was not impressed with
what the tape shows in the third fight with Leon Edwards,
not even close.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
And a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Of people keep talking about him as like some kind
of big player in the welterweight division, and I understand
he is by name, and certainly he is by historical achievement.
I make no mistake about it. We're talking about one
of the very best guys to ever do it at
this weight class. But I think that time has long
since passed. I don't think that the I don't. My
view is people haven't really realized how far gone Usman

(01:16:39):
is in terms of being relevant at the top of
this division.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
And I think Buckley's going to show us well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Luke the you know, the media members who do the
UFC rankings, I'm sure someone told them they had to.
They've kept old Usman in the top five forever.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
He's observed for three right now, i'd.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
He has even one in that division in like four years.
It's crazy. Although he had one of the all time
greatest runs he did when he was on top Thompson
Pound King got movie roles like shout out to that guy.
Is Is it over for Rose as a contender loose?

Speaker 10 (01:17:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
I mean she's actually doing pretty well. I would say,
if you lose, you know, she's been a little bit
up and down, but more recently more up than down.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
But the problem is it's not It's not the end
of the world if she loses in that sense, we see,
But what it would signify is that the game has
passed her by.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
It's one thing to lose to Blanchefield, right, but Maverick
is not the same kind of hammer. She's not the
same kind of like like march you down type. She's
a little bit more you know, operates on the outside
or tries to mix up the game, you know, a
little bit more of a round manager, I think, is
the way I would look at it. That's not somebody

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that Nami Yunis would have lost to three four years ago. Yeah, right,
so if you lost to that person now, it would
kind of tell you where you're at. And I know
what everyone's gonna say, Oh, Rose is only thirty two
years old. Yeah, but like she got started real early.
She's had an unusual career in terms of the timing
of everything. And I'm not saying she's done. She might
go in here and beat the brakes off of Maverick.

(01:18:15):
You're like, oh, bet she's back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
But this is her whole career, highs and lows, constant bingo.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
So where are we? You know what I mean? That's
what we're trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean she has been closer than she
gets credit for and some of the losses at one
twenty five, right, and she was injured in the Pharoh
fight but still fought hard. The odds for Holloway Poorier
according to DraftKings here from Nosita minus one oh five Holloway,
but Pablyweih is minus one fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
So like, this is Nickham.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Just pick your seat and get fired up. Here's Poorier
on the uh, the old Pat McAfee show about why Holloway.

Speaker 7 (01:18:52):
Yeah, we're coming back to New Orleans. The UFC is
coming back to New Orleans in July July nineteenth. It's
gonna be my final fight. I'm gonna lay the gloves
down in Louisiana, where at all arted for me. The
whole journey started there July nineteenth, Me and Max Holloway
are going to fight five rounds main event pay per
view for his current BMF title. Yeah, there's not a
better guy I can think to fight in my retirement fight.

(01:19:13):
I was his first fight in the UFC back in
twenty twelve, and he's gonna be my last fight in
the UFC, So it's an honor. He's a legend, former champion,
undisputed current BMF champion. So we're gonna put on another war.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Yeah, good shit, right there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
So there's another clip where he talks about it. I
may have mislabeled that one when I put it in
the run DOWNBC.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
If you got something else to play, play it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:38):
Is theyr excited man. This has been a long time
in the works, getting Louisiana on board, get the UFC
to even think about coming back to Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
But it's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Super excited.

Speaker 7 (01:19:48):
There's nobody else I'd rather be standing across from when
I lay the gloves down or when I go into
my final fight.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Max is a legend.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
I got so much respect for the guy.

Speaker 7 (01:19:56):
He's done it all right, and I was his first
fight in the UFC and he's gonna be my last.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Well, that was the wrong one too, I sent you
the wrong one. I'm a fuck al.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Right, Well we got to see Mike Boone again. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
The point is is he had said that he thought
there would be a couple of other names that were
thrown his way, and he was kind of looking for it,
and then UFC came to him with Max and they
were like, we really want this one for you, and
so he's like, okay, cool, we'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
But it wasn't exactly where his head was at.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Nevertheless, Nevertheless, I I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Might be leaning Max.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
I don't know, man, it's hard to know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Like after that knockout lost to Taporia, which like, again,
nobody's ever done that. Dude, Pourier fought this fucking guy
for twenty five minutes at fifty five and couldn't put
his lights out, and then Taporia does it. So it's
like huge question marks in for Max as well. This
fight bangs.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yeah, no one paid us to say that. We're just
naturally passionate about these two gentlemen. Luke also quickly we've
got uh. Oh. By the way, the Atlanta card with
Ousmann and uh and new Manza is June fourteenth, so
that's the week after UFC three sixteen and Jamal Hill
and Klobeil round. You were supposed to be this Saturday
in KC. But it's gonna be an Azerbaijan luke, which

(01:21:06):
nobody was really calling for, at least in the airspace
that I but they're obviously going to get paid a
ton for a site fee. That's why it made it
worth it. I do like when they go to new places.
This should be interesting. How would you rate this Maine
and Comaine with when you got Rafael Fasiva on this
card as well? On a one scale?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Yeah, so it's the main was is as you mentioned,
it was supposed to be the one for KC, so
Khalil Rautring and Jamal Hill which should be fun definitely,
and then your your comain is rafaelas even Ignacio Bob Mundez.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Oh and dude, don't forget about tigeer Ulan Beckoff at
Flyway against Kyoji Horgucci. Okay, yep, okay, they.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Got some bangers now again, I don't I don't. I
don't know why they're in Baku before they're in Barcelona,
but okay, whatever you know, sho.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
I mean, I know, we know why.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
I'm just saying it's just kind of funny that way.
But whatever the card itself. I love this fight for Eve,
I love this fight for Nacho.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
I mean this is good. Yeah, dude, good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Ship right here. I'm fired up and that main event
is gonna be real fun to watch. Hell yeah it
will be already. Yeah, here we go. H.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
I was gonna make a Nacho Vidal joke, but I'll
skip it. H.

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Luke Let's talk about it Saturday's Chris Ubank Junior Connor
Ben Clash in London. It got our attention. It is

(01:23:50):
an old school family dual second generation stars and a
tradition in Royalty of British boxing history of what their
two fathers did. We knew we would care to a
certain degree. Then there was the egging. Then there was
the soap operas. Then there was this WWF angle with
father and son having beef. I mean it was wild.

(01:24:10):
And then the entrances were all the pageantry of the
live band. This was some royal shit going on. And
then these two guys after round and put on the
damn Fight of the Year and it was a damn movie.
Luke Thomas, this is reminds you of why you're into

(01:24:30):
this game, of why you fell for this sport. There's
so much to talk about what made this so special
for you? In totality, here about what these two fighters
did to really cut the line to be in your
midyear Fight of the Year. As we get closer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
There, dude, if I told you the beginning of the
year that Chris Eubank you know, or Connor Ben like
not necessarily against each other, but like, imagine I had
a separate conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Oh, by the end of the year, Connor Ben will
have been in boxing's Fight of the You'd be like,
get the fuck out of here. If I told you
about about Chris you Bank, you'd be like, well, maybe
like in a Canelo about or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
But you didn't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
You didn't have an A list boxing star, you didn't
have a major title, you didn't have really a lot
of the things that you would think are like the
guaranteurs of you know what make these kinds of accolades
or incredible moments possible. And yet, dude, everything about this

(01:25:30):
fight worked.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
The pre fight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Build up worked, the fans showed up, the storyline was there,
the history was in both part of it, and then
to a degree fulfilled in a way. There was drama,
There was surprise, yeah, controversy. There was the surprise of

(01:25:55):
his father, Chris you've been his father showing up incredible,
which we had talked. We talked on Friday about you
know where he said, you know, my son is a disgrace.
Like I was like, and then when I was on
when I saw that he was coming out, I was like,
oh my god, this fight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
They keep ratcheting it up when you think that they
can't ratchet up. And then BC, then the fight happens,
and these two guys, we talk about it all the time,
leaving a piece of themselves in the ring that night,
that is exactly what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
It was so funny to me about this fight. To
MEBC is you know, at first it was kind of
you had Ben like lunging in kind of far away
and and you by kind of trying to keep it
at a distance.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Dude. They both said fuck that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
The last third of that fight and they were right
on top of each other, destroying one another, landing big
shot after big shot. This fight had ups, downs, twist turns.
When you talk about a fight over delivering, I'm not
sure if I can think of happened more recently that

(01:27:02):
didn't involve a title, that didn't involved in a list
star or to that point BC didn't involve a pound
for pound guy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
And you would not have known that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Watching that, you would have thought they were fighting for
the most prestigious title. You would have thought that these
guys were the biggest stars in the world, especially how
they were greeted by their countrymen in this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
And you would have thought.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
I'm not saying that, like you know, you couldn't nitpick
the talent, but the way in which they rose to
the occasion, it's the kind of thing you are more
typically going to associate with a pound for pound level guy.
And I'm not saying that the talent level is the same,
but the spirited nature of their performance almost had to
rub your eyes BC. I can scarcely think of a

(01:27:47):
fight that had none of those kinds of ingredients, and
yet the dish that was produced was absolutely magic. What
a fight the I tipped my hat to the promoters
and the fighters and everyone involved.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Everything about this promotion worked.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, And I'm a shout out to Turkey Aloschkh. This
was the first of his ring magazine series and we
can say certain things all we want, we gotta be
there and say when Turkey comes out and hits a
damn home run, And that's what this card felt like.
And that's a tribute to the crowd. It's obviously a
tribute to the two families, not just the two fighters.
I mean the two fathers, Nigel Ben and Chris you
Banks Senior deciding to sit next to each other ringside

(01:28:28):
at the same table so we can get full on reactions.
I mean, everything about it was theatrical, cinematic. So when
I say it wasn't a fight, it was a movie.
I'm not trying to be hip here with my with
my gray hair. I'm trying to basically say that, like
everything Luke said, not you know, not a title fight,
yet yet it captured everyone's imagination. How many times do

(01:28:48):
we get this wrapping paper and then the contents on
the inside the fight is like, ah, the fight was
so humm but man, that was a fun journey, right.
How often does it equal the expectation is? How often
does it do what would happen on Saturday where it
just takes it to a whole new level. The reason
why I say this was a movie is not just

(01:29:09):
because it's got everything, but it's got this insane storyline
of these second generation stars that were kind of just
gotten to certain points of yes fame and some acclaim
in terms of what they accomplished in the ring, but
they're kind of two underachievers that have been getting by
on the dad's name, even though they are brashing their

(01:29:29):
own way, and they certainly attempt to carry a big star.
Neither had had a defining moment in the ring. You
Bank was thirty five, and we thought like, okay, like
he's in the Twilight Ben was twenty eight, but it
was like, man, at one fifty four, he doesn't look
like the same guy, and you got the drug test
thing hanging over his head. Only he goes up to

(01:29:49):
middleweight and he's the bigger puncher throughout, He's like rocking
you bank and fighting with massive way of us. Just
I mean, like the amount of like damn moments where
Ben is in there swinging for the fences against a
guy two weight divisions bigger than them, Like this doesn't

(01:30:10):
even make sense that these guys would be perfect dance
partners in there, But I think it makes sense only
through their stories and how they kind of have been
lost as pros. They've been underachievers and they found themselves
in the boxing ring at the same time and because
of and through each other. That's some Sylvester Stallan bullshit,

(01:30:31):
Like that's you know what I'm saying. That's what this
fight was. And it was savage, and it was just
perfectly sloppy enough at times when they were fading down
the stretch, but you got to see the humanity that
this non title fight was to redeem their entire career
arcs and name so that they can be second generation stars,
not just the kid of that guy. Ben didn't even win,

(01:30:54):
and yet we're like, shit, if he fights with this
spirit but smarter at one seven in the future, like
he could be a real big time factor everybody won
at the end of the day. That almost never happens.
I like, what else could you say about it? Luke?
It gave us everything we wanted. And then some Brent brookuffs,

(01:31:15):
my colleague at CBS Sports was like, I'm not effing around.
This might be the fight of the decades so far
got five years into this, Like it gripped you on
that gotty Ward type shit right where where the story,
the character the feels that that was enough. Only this
had everything but a title on it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
I love the point that you raised, like it's hard
for guys who've been under achievers to find ways to
make history and in a way that the fans can
care about and fans will remember.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
And they did it. They did it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
That's that's the interesting part about the whole thing. B
See you know again, no title, no pavricown people, blah blah,
been over a million times, but they will now be
remembered because of what they each did for one another
and for this moment, and that will etch them into,
at least for the British boxing sake, immortality. That is
I mean, that is a special dude. That was a

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special moment. That whole thing was special. We had said
we gave the fight all of the accolade are all
we all the praise for like how well it was
built up. But I didn't know how the fight was
gonna go, you know. I plus U Bank hasn't even
spoken to the media. I went right to the hospital

(01:32:34):
when the whole thing was over looked, terrible trying to
cut the weight, and I was like, I don't know
how this fight's gonna go. BC that twelfth round when
he's got Ben on the ropes and he is going
to work on him, and Ben is like getting clipped
with huge shots and he's still firing back, but you

(01:32:56):
Bank is right on top of him. Man, just give
it to I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Was like, holy shit, I'll be Hodes. I didn't know
they had it in him. I didn't know they had
it in him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Isn't that the best quote? You Christian Bank Junior said it.
He broke his job, by the way they would find out.
Afterwards we went to the hospital. We did a quick
interview in the ring, and he just kept saying I
had no idea he had that in him. None of
us did. None of us did. And he came in
and he acted like the bigger man and he rightfully lost.
It was eight to four on all three scorecards. You

(01:33:29):
could have it a little bit closer. I mean there
were but there was these beautiful ebbs and flows where
they just controlled certain stretches of the fight, but inevitably,
especially down the stretch. Dude, they got batshit crazy in there.
You know. It wasn't like as savage, but held together
as like Corrals Castillo. It was kind of its own thing.
It was just this fight that had no business being

(01:33:51):
this good. And dude, these are English sporting heroes moving forward,
They're not the kids of them. They extended the story
another chapter of the family rivalry and lineage here like
this is some theatrical shit. Man, It's like George Groves
losing the two fights to Carl Frotz but being a
part of history in front of eighty K He's Sir

(01:34:12):
George forever. Right. These guys are gonna have that opportunity
now to make a lot of money in a short
period of time, whether it's against each other in a
rematch that you know the fans are gonna be calling for.
Even though there's just as lot of a cry it
seems for people who want Ben to go back to
one forty seven so that he doesn't have to leave
it all on the line. But this was kind of
the perfect fight. We just didn't see it as that

(01:34:35):
for them to do that, for them to try to
carve out defining moments, it wouldn't have made sense coming
in to make that argument, Luke. But on the way out,
now you see it, this was their time to make
it all worth it. Like this was holy shit. We
were witnesses to it, Like am I being am I
too much? Look? Am I trying to tell you I
love you after the first night?

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Yeah, we're trying to get pregnant. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
I'm gonna wear a rubber But the point I'm trying
to make is I genuinely agree with you. Like, you know,
one of those things where it's like you'll find out
who the true five fans are watching that, which is
to say everybody would like it, you know, like or
not everybody, but you know, most people would watch that
and find it entertaining. But five fans like UBC, five
fans like you know, our audience, They're moved by it,

(01:35:21):
you know what I mean, Like it speaks to something
deep in their soul to see something like that, you
don't get I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
We watch a lot of fights. We watch yeah, you
know what I mean. We watch a lot of bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
But then when you see something like this, it's like,
oh my fucking god, can this all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Be like this? Please?

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
How do we how do we get more of something so.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
So delightful to be a part of?

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Dude, the U bank moment where you bank Senior gets
out of the car like we're fucking WWF here and
unbelievable lost their shit, lost their damn mind when they
saw that. Howbout you bank Senior in the ring? After
what was the exact quote he said about Chris Junior's performance,
He was like, it was like it's something legendary. It

(01:36:08):
was so classy the way he said it, but it
was so proud. It was like, I bet you there's
times up to that moment and Seniors, you know, they've
been fighting on and off for years. Seniors criticized his
son many a time for not having the right direction
in his career. This was the moment where Senior clapped
and stood and you know, the rudy moment with a
tear coming down the eye right the guy from Rock

(01:36:29):
the groundskeeper. Right, he's clapped. I mean, it's that moment
right there. And then they interviewed him in the ring
and they hear like, Senior, we didn't know you were
gonna be you know, following it. We didn't know you'd
get his back and come here. And he was like, oh,
always have my son's back, Russ Stafari and he just
walks off. Dude, I mean, this is like, what the
hell's going on? Here's the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
I mean, this is what I mean like every once
in a while, like every domino that's supposed to fall does,
and it felt like this time all the dominoes hit.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Why do we have this comparison to show here, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Show it to us. Look at this PC Oh wow,
look at this? Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
That's beautiful? That's beautiful right there. Somebody needs to paint that. Wow.
So that's you know, top left, Nigel ben This is
the first match up between you being senior and Nigel Bennet.
Came at middleweight. You bank defended his title and knocked
out Nigel benn around nine and I actually actually never
seen their rematch, but it came in ninety three and
it was compared to this fight their kids had on Saturday.

(01:37:31):
Apparently it's an all time classic. It was to unified
titles at one sixty eight and was a split draw.
So now I'm fired up to go back and catch
that one that I missed. But damn man, I mean, look,
we got to see it, right, We gotta see it again.
We gotta see it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Can you can you imagine how big that's going to be.
They did sixty five at Tottenham Hotspur. They're going to
do more than that in the rematch.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
I don't know if it's the right move for Ben,
but here is Ben talking about you Bank.

Speaker 10 (01:37:55):
I looked at Chris say no, I said to go
by the next and I said, my I'm so happy
you're here. I'm so happy you turn up. You know
because outside of everything else, aside of all the noise
and the promotion and the fire, your relationship with your
dad never goes. That's always there, that's longstanding. That's where

(01:38:17):
without boxing, you know what's boxing? You know what is it?
You know because I picked the relationship with my dad
overboxing any day a week, you know. So to see
them two, if this is brought in together, God that's
worth its weight in gold.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
I didn't hear anything. I'm not sure what happened there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Oh I heard the whole thing. It was. It was
brilliant the way that Connor Ben was talking about You
Bank Senior and coming back for a song, even though
it seemed like it was a you know, it was
a skit. They fooled everybody. Look, the quote from You
Bank Senior was that was legendary behavior in the ring.
Like that's the nicest thing you could ever say about it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Son, right there, doesn't get much better, man really doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Damn Ben wants revenge. We got one more clip to
show here.

Speaker 10 (01:39:03):
Yeah, I wont the revenge, man. I won my revenge.
It took me back. It did take me back in
a good way and in a bad way. When I'm
sitting there going, oh my gosh, this is unbelievable, and
then in the same breath, it's just a lot of
new first times for me today. First stadium fire, first

(01:39:25):
time fighting back here in three three years, first fire
one sixty. You know, I had you Bank hurt multiple times,
three four times in there, noticeably, just couldn't get a finish,
you know, So I'll make sure for next time that
that finishes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
There, Look he did he hadn't heard a couple of times, man,
he I mean was it round nine was the big
one right where he.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Just really yeah, I did you heard that? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
You heard the whole heard that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Okay? Sweet? Yeah? I mean I do kind of want
to see in the short term future, if ben Ca
go back and make forty seven, what does he look
I mean, if he can and he can be healthy,
what does he look like with this renewed spirit?

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
This is exactly my point, Like this whole thing has
you know, Connor ben I mean his mentions and Eddie
Hearn's mentions. Anytime Eddie would bring up Connor on social media,
we're just like a graveyard, you know, everybody killing them both.
And I'm not saying for not good reason, and I'm
just saying that's what was happening, and maybe there'll be
some of that going forward BC. But look at what

(01:40:27):
these guys bought themselves in terms of opportunity, not just
with a rematch, but if you're a U bank, dude,
Canelo has to be looking at this and thinking, okay,
I can make good you. So that they were already
talking you banking Canela beforehand didn't work. I think now
he's going to be much more part of the Canelo
sweepstakes going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
And if you're Ben, he.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Goes to forty seven, Dude, forty seven has so many
opponents for him that could all be red hot. A
lot of them already have most of them nearly all
of them have relationships with Turkey already, so you know,
making the fight should not be some kind of difficult endeavor.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Dude. These guys bought them a lot of good will.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Dude. Eddie has h he has been and he also
has Boots, right, so Boots seems happy with Eddie, so
there doesn't look like they're gonna break up. I don't know,
we'll see what happens there, but crazy stuff. I actually
want both Ben and u Bank to go out and
get their biggest fight possible, because I feel like they
can meet up at any point, like this fight wasn't
supposed to be this good, and look it was. I

(01:41:23):
don't I don't think it matters if they both lose
a fighter. You know this this is a timeless rivalry.
I hope we at least get a second helping Luke
topic number five quickly and that's all the time it needed.
By the way, quickly at KSW over the weekend, the
Polish supercards that they roll out. How about this for
a circus match that got us fired up? It was
strong man Eddie Hall defeating mary use Pudjanowski, the forty

(01:41:46):
eight year old legend, in thirty seconds. But I think
the biggest highlight was he was literally man handling Pooja,
throwing him around like a dwarf Luke Thomas and then
hit him a million times in the back of the
head to get your reaction to this piece of business.
It was sloppy heaven in a lot of ways. It
was also weird. Did we learn anything? I mean, is

(01:42:07):
all legit now after this?

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Well, first of all, I'll tell you one thing that
I learned. I had no idea about this, but apparently
I'm reading this. This was in the Daily Star in
July of twenty thirteen. I've never heard of this. This
is the headline about Eddie Hall quote I'm a racist,
admits UK's strongest man.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
So I had no idea that he apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
I mean, you know nothing in this world that I
like BC is ever, it all just turns to shit.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
It really is amazing. I had all this time. I
was like, Wow, what a great story this guy's had.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
And then someone showed me this and I was like,
I mean, maybe maybe he's changed, and son, I have
no idea. I'm just finding out about this. So that
really kind of bummed me out. If I can be
totally honest with you, however.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
I mean, can you just imagine that's like, Oh, here's
this thing that I really like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
I say, oh, this guy admitted like to a major
publication in the UK openly he.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Is similar feelings. When the guitarist of Cannibal Corps had
that brush with the law, Luke, if you know what
I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
About, well, you know, he had mental problems. That's just
you know, okay, okay, and and the band was like
you need to go address that. They didn't keep fucking
touring with him, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yeah, didn't Dave Matthews do that to the violinist tune?

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Didn't mat Dave Matthews dump all the feces and the
piss out of the bus. That's that's that's literally the
best thing that that d MB has ever done.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
But okay, you asked on this straight talk on this
it was impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
So what I would say is, I didn't realize this.
Did correct me if I'm wrong? On Friday Show, did
we not say that?

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
I thought Poujinowski was kind of up against it because
he'd been off for two years.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
He's nearly fifty, you know, he's it's been.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Better overall, but like you know, Hall's kind of searching.
I didn't realize that, So at least someone told me this.
Apparently Pojinowski was a big favorite, a big betting favorite,
which I found after after the fact, was very surprised by.
I was not surprised that that Hall won. We should
say a couple of things. One, the shots in the
back of the head were a lot And can you

(01:44:06):
imagine a man in that size just rabbit punching the
fucking stem.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
Of your brain, you know what I mean? Like, I
don't know, I don't know how.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
To assess that exactly whatever, But I can't say that
time where he kind of did the throw by when
he shucked Poujinowski by and Pujinowski went flying across the cage,
I was like, Yo, here's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
The point I wanted to make.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
If you're the PFL and I know our friends Jed
Michu and mikek have talked about this BC I echo
their sentiments. If you're the PFL and you're you know again,
you don't mind we're doing business with the guy where
the headline is I'm a racist admits UK's strongest man.
I mean, just unfucking believable. How my life just keeps
coming back to this. But uh, if you don't mind that,

(01:44:49):
and you're trying to find somebody who can fit the
bill for a big fight with Francis pc a KSW
PFL show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
I mean, look, I think it's a larger question of
should PFL be more willing to gimmick to get ahead,
and it seems like they were. I mean, they signed
Jake Paul and announced that he would fight in MMA,
and now we feel like that'll probably never happen. And
we also have only got one Francis fight so far,
and some of these women's boxers didn't end up panning
out in terms of like long term entertainment options that

(01:45:22):
they signed or didn't fight at all. But this is
also I mean, it worked for Belator when they were
making ridiculous ratings on Spike in the Paramount Network during
that stretch of Kimbo and old fights. You do have
to do it as a life preserver. But are these
the right people. I mean, there is this masculine eighties

(01:45:44):
action movie response to me that's like, oh my god,
that's the freakiest freak show fight between behemoths, like bring
back the pride feels we used to have, Like let's
just get sloppy and weird. Yeah, let's do it. Three
hundred and sixty six pound Eddie Hall against Anganu.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Do not watching it, but you have to do it
in a limited way. If you if you make that
the core of what you do, it erodes the product
it does.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
But at the same time, I'm like, hey, Umar Kaine
against Eddie Hall. Had kind of watched that Luke, you know,
so I don't know, but that's what it was, and
it was like, he's not legit. But also that win
is not nothing against forty eight year old.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
That's right, That's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
It's like it's not I don't know exactly what it is,
but it's definitely not nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Yeah, if he wants to get you know, risk getting
his ass kicked and do some of these freak fights.
I mean, Francis would send him to the bottom of earth.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
Luke, you know this, which would be really difficult for him, apparently,
you know, because I think it would. It would really
break his heart, you know that, a guy like that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
I don't know if you could sanction that, could you?
I guess you could.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Uh, it depends on what jurisdiction you're in.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Yeah, the jurisdiction is money. It'll get past. All right,
Look let's run through. But those are our five topics.
We don't have dms this week, Thank you for adjusting
to my schedule needs we do have. Have you seen
this shit? We're gonna close with it. It's harder that
we do this remotely because some of the volume issues,
but look, we're gonna make the best of it. Just
roll the dice. This is the ship of the week.

(01:47:16):
I hope you saw it. UFC KC this weekend, Luke Hua. Indeed,
Chris Gutierra is in the hotel room looking out at
the smokers down below and finds Carlos Protests smoking at

(01:47:36):
dart on weigh in day. I think if we have
that video, do you?

Speaker 10 (01:47:41):
It's some crazy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
I'm creeping on them, but gee, you're smoking, man?

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Look Look why are you smoking a cigarette. That is crazy. Look,
that's a lot of devat shit right there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Also, like you know, I'm not trying to be like morbid,
but he was with those jackets. They were doing something
with a guy who had like terminal cancer and he's
sitting there just smoking cigarettes around him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Like, look, a lot of them are racist, so don't
we gotta move past? But no, I mean he was
the guy who had the better stand with us, So like,
is that not a thing? Like should we not talk
about that anymore? Like I know that some people it
doesn't matter. I mean I've known like successful distance runners
that's that that smoked off bongs all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Right, I can't imagine it's good for you. But he
seems to be okay about it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
All right, there we go. But that was some nark
ship from Grutieras.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
No, I mean, I think I think he's like the
rest of us, like he's just blown away by it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
All right, it's baseball time of the week. Luke watched
the pitcher closely here who gives up the long ball?
But something must have been said between the two teams
while they were running the bases. Watch this picture this mf.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Oh he waits till he rounds third.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Boohlee, Jesus, you got jacked up right there. Damn okay,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Ro You know what he must have like, did he
hit a dinger? And then he was he must have
been talking ship running the bags, you know, yes, so
then he got what what was the uh? Who was
the pro wrestler who did the he would like dive
into people? Uh Goldberg?

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Right, yes, yes, he would spear that spear.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
That's it. I remember that from high school. He would
spear people. Yeah, got Speed.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Speared spear too, but not like Steiner's kid. Look you
finally you don't know anything about this. This uh this,
you don't know anything I'm talking about right, Rick Steiner's kid,
bron Brecker. What's the guy's name?

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Fucking idea?

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Yeah, I'm I'm missing it at the moment, bron Breaker,
He's I've seen his spears. Look he he folded some guy.
I I show Speed in half. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
he was. That was a lavish turkey uh like video
montage with ks I. It was like a like that
was kind of crazy. Right, Yeah, let's keep it going. Look,

(01:50:15):
you know the transitioning from BJJ to m m A.
You really got to work on striking technique to make
that gap.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
Do you check this out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
I've been working on my striking and I'm getting pretty good.

Speaker 8 (01:50:25):
High.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
Mix it up, mix it up?

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
But what was that? I'm shadow boxing?

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Look, you know you've been in the gym, so you know, well,
you got to mix it up.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Sometimes you just got to go for unorthodox techniques.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
All right, Todd for your fails of the week. Let's
go to the treadmill area. Oh no, oh god, he's
gonna help. Oh boy, here, what fucking three stoo sketch
is this? That's a Looney Tunes Jim Luke no judgment zone. Okay,

(01:51:07):
let's go to the wedding dance floor. You know this gimmick,
Luke when they announce you in on the wedding party
and you do like a like a scheduled dance.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Yeah, I mean this is for white trash. But that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
But you gotta, you know, you gotta. If you've had
a few pops in the limo, you gotta be careful,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Oh Jesus, everyone wants to be the dance floor hero.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Huh yeah, Watch this you the god here her with
the ghetto blaster. Luke, damn, oh Jesus, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Dude, listen to me. Everyone, stop trying to be the
hero at someone else's wedding. No one fucking likes you,
and no one's there for you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Wow, you're actually right on that. Let's hit the bike ramp,
I think bike trail.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Do we did you pick count.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
People that just don't have control of their equilibrium at all?

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
For this?

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Indeed, let's go to the high jump pit. Luke. You
know I spend a lot of times as a track
and field dad watching stuff like this.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
All right, well, he's the worst guy I've ever seen
in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
He will never walk again, unfortunately, you know what, and
nothing of value was lost for this gentleman, he looke.
Don't they say that one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Right, Yeah, I've heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Well, some people put you know, their mattress on the
side of the road, but there might be some miles
left in that mat tristy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
You might want, Okay, Okay. I don't know whether an
extraordinary murder or shit storm took place also true, Store,
I don't have I've ever told you this BC.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
When I was in college, we were I mean I
was poor, you know, I had no money. Sure, there
was one time I dropped off a buddy of mine
at his apartment and in the apartment complex and it
was like when he's you know, like col to sac
joints where you come back up up and at the
end of it, someone had dumped their couch.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
I went and picked up old old.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Betty, brought her, brought her back to the apartment, and
we put her the We put the furniture here. We
had to fabreeze that thing. Oh yeah, you know for
like weeks to get that thing clean.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
But we kept it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
I mean, you might get a rash just you know,
automatically from the transfer of that. That's some gross shit.
Uh wow, Luke, that was an incredible mattress. Luke, you
might have a future in politics, after all. Let's listen
in from AOC And this isn't just about Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
We need a democratic party that farts fights harder.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
For us too.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
I can be that one that SARTs harder.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
Yes, yes, you know, listen, if they're like, we need
you to fart harder.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
It's like, well, you came to the right place.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Here you go, Luke. Let's go to the mosh pit.
We know you love this. Let's get some slow emotion.
Look at some of Wow, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
A lot of people that do a lot of standing
around in the mosh pit and they get chewed up.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
You know, I really don't love the mashpit set up, Luke.
I mean, I like, I've been in some concerts where
it's been physical and rowdy, but I'm not about this life.
I mean, what what are you doing here? What's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Did I not Oh they're donkey kicking. Oh they're donkey kicking.
Did I not tell you about?

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
I think it was like one or two corpse shows
ago where I saw the girl mashing in there, fist
fighting everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
No, that's wild, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
She was in there fighting for her life, and I
was hopeful that she My wife pointed her out. She
was like, dude, look at this, and we saw yeah.
I mean these you know, these are just some whites
that are.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
Just all right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
I'm done with this.

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
It's just yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
I mean, it's still it's still better than the the
Viking rowing losers who deserve to be cattle prodded and
deported to El Salvador for fucking doing one of these
on the floor of the Metal show.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Indeed, uh, those the rowboaters. Look, let's check in on
this Airbnb. We get a little hot, we get a
little tour of the place.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
A room stuffy into the jungle, uf coubre looking at jungle.

Speaker 7 (01:55:19):
The thing, end of the.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
I mean, he was in the think of it, Luke, he.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Was, you know, he was doing one of these numbers
like I do when I'm on the train, only because
I'm trying to hold onto something, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Luke, I got on the wrong train last week and
ended up in Newark, Penn. I mean, I deserve that karma.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
Damn it, You're an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
It just it was it was on this side, and
I went to this side because the guy that worked
there gave me like a confusing answer to my question
and I kind of wasn't paying attention. Oh my god. Anyway,
we got to survive those moments. Hey, look, do you
hear about Mike. Let's look at this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
All right, Well, let he who's without sin cast the
first stone, you understand.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, Luke, it's testes time. Let's go to
the NYC Subway. Check out that man's satchel.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
Is that is that long island Luke's dad.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
That would be so unbranded. If mister Nosina was rocking
that backpack, that would be unbelievable. Wow, Okay, let's keep
the nut influence rolling here. Luke. You know those zin packets, Yeah,
they don't. They're not just for your mouth. Watch this, h.

Speaker 7 (01:57:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Yeah. You know, we may have left that video on
too long.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
And I don't know, I don't know if I've ever
said this before, but until this video, I'm like, Wow,
I'm really glad I'm circumcised.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
This is uh, that was terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Let's watch your nuts at the skateboard park too, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Oh god, oh you fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
Just He's not he's not fathering children, Luke, it's not
gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
It's it's for the best. It's for the best.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
But Luke, you know some people have a harder scrow,
apparently through training, Shure.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
Fuck this amazing that we were able to get a
video of my personal twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
All right, let's go to the wedding jump rope. Luke,
you ever see people. You know that the at the
dance where they get after it a little too hard.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Now, gonna get in there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Oh he turned her into her stepping stool, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
Literally he was smashing her like grapes out of vineyard.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Oh my god? All right, well, let's play musical chairs,
but don't play musical chairs with Bigsby, Luke. Watch this alright?

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Like, okay, oh so.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
Some yokas o the ship. Wow, that was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
Wow she knockoff to walk off, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
We love political memes on the show. I think let's
check out this one. All right, So I don't know
if that's pretty good? Yeah, okay, here we go. You
hear about the Turkish soccer fan, Luke, watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
They are, dude, The Turks are different about this ship.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
He's gonna throw this.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
Look at this, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:59:16):
I've told the story a million times. I was in
Istanbul when Fenerbaci played. Was it bashiktas or gallatus awai?

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
God?

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
Now I can't even remember that part anymore. It didn't matter.
It was the rivals. I saw motherfucker chasing another one
with a donor kebab sword bro a donor Kebob Sword, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Going third world on that ass. Holy crap, Luke, you
might love this one too. Let's a tribute.

Speaker 7 (01:59:38):
Ah Ah, holie, holie.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
It's certainly not not a good taste, certainly not in
good taste.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Luke. We're gonna get fired. We're gonna get fired.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
All right. Let's see. Let's compare a basketball form in
the evolution of it through the years, the bird.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Jordans.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Oh my god, it's it's relatable, you know you can certainly? Yeah,
got that? All right, we got one more for you, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Okay, we're gonna get fired.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
Well, let's go out in a blaze of glory. Here
we go. Who wants a fa?

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
I don't think we could play it a second time,
But that's the ship of the week, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
That that is actually one of your spicier batches.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Yeah yeah, I had, I had parameters I had to
work with. I couldn't run ones with volume.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
That was a That was a spicy batch. I give
that one an A.

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
That's a spy wow, just just just the way it hits.

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
The A plus A plus if we lose our job.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
Good point, good point, all right, thank you? Folks for
staying with us. Thank you so much. Thank you guys
for moving the time of this show to get my schedule.
Take care of Long Island. Luke, thank you for your
service as well. What should you say to the people here?

Speaker 4 (02:01:14):
Something It's Monday at eleven ten am right now, or sorry,
one ten pm right now, so you know, my bet
breakdown is probably coming out in a few hours.

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
Tune into. Yeah, head on over to the main card minute.
That's what we're talking about. Maybe some big b rips later,
maybe maybe. All right? Also, like the show, please you
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Luke Thomas, Happy birthday to the Tukes, much love to

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the family. Anything else you want to bestow upon these people.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
No, glad you guys can tune in. Thank you so much. Yeah,
we'll be in studio Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
Let's go. Let's go big weekend of boxing as well.
Let's check it out for everyone. We love you. Take
care of yourselves, out of here.