UFC London Preview, Jon Jones New Demands, Ryan Garcia Opens Up | Full Episode | MORNING KOMBAT - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Look at this now, tip.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Jesus, Oh.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
You will be luck.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's time to beg.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Oh yeah, it's Friday. I know for a fact you
ain't got ship to do. Let's get fired up. We're
in your face hole. It's Morning Combat, the best damn
combat sports show they ever considered putting together and the
one that just won't die. Brian Campbell Live and direct
from the suburbs of Connecticut with you Happy to be here,
BBC with all of that b d Well, you might

(00:58):
come here for my co host. Yes, there he is.
He's from Washington, DC. He's silver and goal oily, silver
and gray and look at that tattoo right there. He's
a former Marine sergeant and he once got busy in
a Joseph A. Banks bathroom. It's Luke Thomas.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yes, what's what's up? BC? How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah? Fired up, Luke Thomas. After the show, I'm gonna
get on a bird and head over to Vegas for
that PBC on Prime event with Sebastian Fundora. But we
are here today to talk about UFC London. Look at
the biggest stories of the past few days, involving John Jones,
Ryan Garcia, TKO boxing and so much more. How about

(01:37):
how about one Championship one seventy two pay per view
this weekend, a kickboxing matchup that will be seen and
heard round the world, Luke, So get yourselves fired up?
All right? Are you feeling what I'm feeling? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Actually, it's a great weekend of combat sports. As you mentioned,
PBC has Sebastian from Dora back in action a six six,
one hundred and fifty four pounder. But on top of that,
Cage Warriors is today UFC London tomorrow and then has
indicated one championship I guess early morning East Coast time
here on Sunday. But all together a packed weekend of combat.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That one championship event featuring Takeru versus Rod Tang is
at the Saitama Super Arena. So plenty of history there
of combat sports. Fired up to be there? You can,
by the way, if you enjoy this product, you can
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(02:36):
just an extension of what we do here on MK.
Whether you're talking about the BCX, the Luke Thomas experience
in a way, and don't forget, of course about the
main card. Minute and our producer, director Bong enthusiast and
son of in Australian. Hey, let's meet Luke Nosita.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Hey, world world's worst boyfriend.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
This is this is the run in joke. Guys, I'm
a hype for UFC London this weekend. I feel like
it's a great card. It's a totally great card.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
BC was a little bit down on it pre show.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
A little not down and not down. He's what was
the word you use?

Speaker 6 (03:08):
No, see that I said I'm hyped for this card
or something.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, you use some huge word and I'm like, I
really like this card. I'm ready. But I was just like,
don't overdo it. But you know, you talked me into
some of those undercard matchups that I may have missed
because you are our resident degenerate hardcore.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
I got you.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Also, four fights on this card, pick them odd, It's
plenty of money to be made on this card.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Are you betting on any of them in any way?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Any of them?

Speaker 6 (03:34):
Every single fight? Obviously? What kind of question is that.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Great boyfriend of the year right there? Everybody?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yes, yes, Look, will we be having a special guest
today as well in the one segment.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yes, so here's the thing. Obviously. One one seventy two
takes place this weekend, headlined by Rod Tank taken on
to CAREW, which is a fight years literally years in
the making at this point, and I was like, listen,
we do have some things to talk about with one
that BC and I will talk about. But I was like,
we got to get somebody to help us. So Timothy
Wheaton if you guys may not know him, and he'll
plug his stuff in there. He is a kickboxing officionado.

(04:08):
He helps us out. I pre recorded an interview with
him yesterday. He's great, tons of good information in this one.
So big shots to Timothy Wheaton, follow his work and
we really appreciate his contribution.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Today as we gues Hell, yeah, I can't wait to
check that out. Thank you so much, users, viewers, listeners,
degenerates for tuning in today. We're big fans of you.
Thank you for keeping us afloat and we are about
to get into it. I don't know almost right about now, Luke,
anything else you want to say? Weekend plans health up.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I'll be doing a watch along for the top fights
at UFC London then of course, of course a live
postfight show, so check that out YouTube dot com slash.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Luke Thomas all right, I.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Believe that's so. Is that a one pm Eastern main
card start on Saturday?

Speaker 4 (04:50):
No, I think the main car starts at like four
if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
It's one pm prelims four pm.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Mean, thanks there you go, Yeah, thank you, Long Island.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Luke.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
All right, let's get into our topic. It's number one
and it's the big one of the weekend. UFC London
a plus fight night card. I was telling Luke almost
reminiscent of a UFC on Fox quarterly card from back
in the day. We expect a raucous crowd there in
the UK. And how about UK's own Leon Edwards making
the return in this five round welterweight matchup against Sean Brady,

(05:22):
the first fight for Rocky since losing that title to
Bala Mohammad last summer. There's been excuses, there's been trying
to figure out exactly where the thirty three year old
former welterweight champion is at as he welcomes in that
hungry Philadelphia grappler Luke Thomas as we speak to kick
off this segment. Our friends at DraftKings have Leon Edwards

(05:45):
as a plus one thirty underdog against the minus one
fifty five Sean Brady first and foremost. Did the odds
makers get that part right?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's a tough question, That's a really tough question. I'm
gonna say say yes. I'm gonna say yes. And I
think the reason why is that, I mean, of course,
part of the story here again, and betting odds are
always designed in a way to induce betting, so they're
not necessarily a clear demonstration of like who is the
favorite or for what reason. But if the implication is

(06:17):
that Brady deserves to be, you know, kind of favored
here a little bit, I do think that is correct.
I think that he is clearly has turned a corner
since the Mohammed fight. I think he has absolutely numerous
things that are gonna give Leon problems. And if you
just watch the Gilbert Burns fight in particularly, what you

(06:39):
really notice from that one is that he gets stronger
as the fight goes longer. It really is quite remarkable
how much better he gets. He got seven takedowns in
that fight, he got three of them in the fifth round,
and then he got thirty one significant strikes. He landed
Gilbert Burns just nine, right, so he really begin to
put it on him late. I think that's gonna serve
his interests in something like this against Leon Edwards at
the same time, and we'll get to this, I'm sure

(07:01):
we see there are real individual instances where I think
Leon Edwards is going to have clear advantages, as we
indicate it on Monday. If you're Leon Edwards, it is
a big change to go from Jack Dala Madelena to
Sean Brady. However, in the scope of what he's done
more recently in his career with the kamar Usman rematch
in Trilogy, Colby Covington and then last Bela Mohammed, this

(07:23):
is the same kind of fighter. Everyone's a little bit different,
but the same kind of fighter that he's faced before.
So that should give him some real opportunity for his
own improvement. Slight adjustments carry big consequences. He should be
able to make them. It's just that I feel like
Sean Brady is right on the cusp of becoming the
best version of what he can be. He's got to
get past Leon Edwards to do it. I think he can.

(07:45):
I think he probably will, but it's close.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
These odds tell you how close this is. We talk
so much about, I mean, the questions we have for
Leon Edwards. You know, is he just a streaky fighter?
Is he mercurial? Is he you know? I mean, does
he get in his own head? There's been inconsistencies within
this overall incredible run, which of course included back to
back victories over to former champion Kamaro Usman pay per

(08:11):
view win over Kolby Covington. But who we saw Leon
to be last year against the pressure of Bala Muhammad
just wasn't that same guy?

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Now?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Leon says the following thing I'm gonna show you is
not a big deal. But Luke, you know, we have
MMA fans that are sleuths, right, they can see through
the pictures and find the truth. If any hashtag staff
infection heads are out there, here's Leon at I believe,
like a public workout or something. You see that on
his forearm. The quote from Leon was that it happened

(08:42):
six weeks ago and it's all good. Luke, due to
your extensive medical background from the College of William and Mary,
should we be concerned about that?

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yes, based on my vast medical expertise in studying philosophy
in two thousand and two. Here's my rule of thumb
on this. It's the same one that we applied whenever
we see you know, who was who? Sean Strickland had
the last one correct. If the question is not did
he have staff? He to the point you raised, he
confirmed it right, he had staff. The question is was

(09:12):
he on antibiotics for it recently? And or how long
was he on antibiotics? So even if he's not on it,
let's say this week, how long was he on it
before that? Uh? And to what extent? You know, actually,
what particularly antibiotics was he on? Was he on IV
administered ones, was he on oral antibiotics? Whatever? And again
what was the length of term there? Because obviously this

(09:34):
can affect your cardio, This can affect your training, This
can affect I'm not sure what the proper description is,
but like the tensile strength of some of your connective tissue,
you have to you have to pare down training so
that you don't get injured. I remember, like I was
on antibiotics for dude for like the five months I've
been on antibiotics, and the doctors are depending on which
ones you're on and the ones that they're on to
treat this. The typically it follows this, which is that

(09:56):
you know you can't lift weights in certain cases there
have to be very very careful lifting weights because you
are your body has been depleted in this particular way.
So the question is like, what did that do to
his training? And these are of course unknowable. The BCU
started off by asking did the odds makers get it right?
There are, of course many reasons to look at this
and think that Leon Edwards has a great shot. I

(10:18):
am not one of these guys that thinks, even if
Sean Brady wins, He's just gonna go in there and
do to him what he did to Kelvin Gastolum. That
is absolutely not what I expect. But when you look
at some of the other factors, if he dealt with
staff and then you know any kind of lengthy course
of antibiotics in which to deal with it, that did
probably impact his training and probably at least will show

(10:39):
up in some kind of way over the course of
a twenty five minute fight.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I mean, let's not forget Leon was Pump for Pound
Top five a year ago and now we're talking about
it thirty three? Is he over the hill? Is he
too inconsistent? One of the things we talked about on
Monday Storylines, of course, was the excuse making in regards
to the loss of blaw. Billal has come out, of
course and called Leon Edwards uh week for these excuses.

(11:03):
Here is Leon Edwards from Media Day responding to that
accusation from Muhammad.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Said recently on Twitter that you're full of excuses and
mentally weak regarding obviously your your fight together. What's your
take on that?

Speaker 8 (11:18):
The way out of talks is like he went out
there and like fucking knock me down and dropped me
and back to me for the all around, Like, oh
he did wrestled me single, let me pick me up,
put against a cage. It didn't no damage really the
end of the end of the fight. If anything, he
was one on the floor leaking about to get stopped,
you know what I mean. So if lad broken, you're
about to get stopped one more minute out of a fight,

(11:41):
he would have got stopped, you know what I mean. So, yeah,
the way he talks just doesn't from what he does
in the cage. It's two different persons. He talks like
he's like Mike Tyson, but when he fights, it's not.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
So here's what it is. I feel like, Yeah, here's
what it is.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
And he said that he's picking Sean Brady obviously this week.
But is it personal between you two?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Not really?

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Does not like him.

Speaker 8 (12:05):
I mean, I don't think there's wouldn't be friends outside
the sport.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
I wouldn't know he is, you know.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
I mean so.

Speaker 9 (12:12):
No, not really.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
And Sean Brady told us today in the media day,
there is a bad look. He thinks for you to
be talking so much about blow and the run up
to this fight, well, not.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
Talking about I'm not talking about him.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
You can ask me about him.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
But do you think it's hard for you to get
away from that subject?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So you met? You heard in there the mention of
Sean Brady echoing what Bilal said, Play one more sound
for you from Sean Brady and then we can react
to it about this topic maybe of Leon being in
his own head.

Speaker 10 (12:48):
I might am I trying to get a title shot
out of this? You know, I don't. I might trying
to rush it. That's what I did before in my career.
I put the blaw fight. I was pushing for that
so hard and it turned out that that wasn't the
night for me.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
You know, So I'm going to go out there.

Speaker 10 (13:01):
I'm going to do my job, get my hand raised
by any means necessary, and then wherever I go from there,
I go.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Thank you very much to yeh Sean just here, just
going back to you, said yeah here, Oh what's up?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Brother? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Good.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
If you beat Leon the you'll become the number one contender.
Would you be disappointed if the UFC didn't offer you
that next because all week Leon has been saying that
it's an immediate it's immediate rematch next, it's the title next.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
For me? Disappointed if that wasn't your next fight.

Speaker 10 (13:30):
No, I think I think that's a bad look on
Leon to be thinking about other people when all I'm
thinking about is fighting him. You know, he's thinking about
number one contenders and getting back at Belah and talking.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
About the law.

Speaker 10 (13:41):
But he's got someone who's trying to kill him Saturday
night in front of him, and uh, he has more
things to be concerned about than being a number one
contender in the division.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, and just not who would your ideal opponent be?

Speaker 6 (13:54):
For your title shot below.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Of course, yep, of course we know that you would
want to run back that recent loss in which he's
turned his career around in some degree too. And oh
since that point, but Luke, about what we're talking about
with Leon, is it fair to say that in some
ways he's almost his own biggest enemy, that maybe he's
focusing too much on other things than this Philadelphia gorilla

(14:16):
coming after him.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
He admitted, you know this week that a he had
dealt with staff recently. That's sort of one obstacle and
there's nothing he can really do about that, obviously, but
you know, it's something to keep in mind. But to
the point you raised, he had also kind of you know,
indicated and that the audio clip kind of speaks to
it to a degree, which was like he just you know,
it's blall, Like I didn't even take blall seriously, and

(14:39):
it's like, Okay, you're the welterweight champion of the world
fighting a number one contender at five in the morning,
Like you can't get up for that, Like that's that's
just bizarre to me to hear something like that, absolutely bizarre.
You would have never seen George Saint Pierre say something

(14:59):
like that, like it would have absolutely never left his lips.
And the reason why I would have never left his
lips is because he never would have been in that
position to begin with, right, I mean, it's just insane, right, Okay,
fair point, But you see what I'm getting at, Like,
it's just insane to be the champion and be like, oh, well,
you know, I thought so little of my contender. I

(15:21):
was surprised he was able to take three clean rounds
for me potentially four. It's just it's just madness to me.
And so here he is a little bit later, still
kind of dismissive of bel all, kind of dismissive of
what it was. Now, listen, some of the things that
Muhammad has said, obviously, you know, he a little bit exaggerated, right,
And so Leon's trying to correct the record. And to

(15:41):
his point, he was beating him up in that fifth round.
That that is very very true, but that was also
too little, too late. I mean, that's also the reality
if I was him, And grantedy I'm no position to
tell any prize fighter what they should be doing, but
just just observing what the really really good ones do
who can maintain that longevity, they don't ever let their
minds get to a place where the person they're up

(16:03):
against has like you know, they get like hedged their chances.
They don't ever seem to do that. They treat it
all as like an existential threat five alarm fire. And
it looks to me that like that loss that I mean,
consider something, BC, consider something. Both Sean Brady and Leon
Edwards have losses to Balah Muhammad. Now one was worse

(16:24):
than the other. Brady got beat worse, there's no question
about it. But who seems to have learned the lesson
better coming out of it? You know, again, that may
not necessarily carry any one of them to victory, But
just to answer that question, it looks to me like
Sean Brady ans got a lot more out of that
loss than Leon did. He seemed to take it quite
to heart. And that's not a guarantee of victory, as

(16:47):
I indicated, but it certainly puts them in a best
position to get one.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I mean, you mentioned that, you know, Leon is still
out here disparaging, disrespecting bla who beat him. I think
Sean's trying to say, you're also disrespecting me by not
taking me seriously and always talking about Belal. So we
got the mental half out of the way. Let's get
into the physical. Let's get into the x's and o's. Look,
you know when I like to look at the central
tension that might decide this fight. Blal is a pressure fighter,

(17:14):
and we know that Edwards was kind of lifeless at
times with his back to the cage. Sean Brady doesn't
pressure the same way. It's not built off of the
of the jab and in your face as much. He
can be a counterpuncher and he can also be looking
to shoot for the takedown. What type of difference do
you think that'll make? Because it's clear that Edwards kind
of fell apart amid that pressure from below.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
So I think you can I mean, not so much
the jab, but let's say a flurry of dad D
A flurry of that from Sean Brady is typically what
he likes to do is get someone to raise their
guard and then to get underneath it with you know,
in an underhook body lock or to go right to
the double. But I want to say two things about
Blahmhammad's kind of funny that we're talking about this fight,

(17:57):
and then blah Mohammed features so prominently in these discussions,
but it really is quite relevant and important to note.
I did a breakdown you can catch it on my
substeck if you want, about how Bala Mohammed took out
Leon Edwards. And one of the things that you really
notice from that, and I confirmed it with his coaches,
is just the insane level of specificity that they put

(18:18):
into a game plan. They didn't have a general idea
about what they wanted to do. They didn't even have,
like you know, a specific idea about what they wanted
to do. They had a highly specific idea about what
they wanted to do in each of the scenarios that
Leon was going to be pressed in, and then what
his reactions would be. It was remarkable how specifically good
it was. I bring this all up to say, to me,

(18:41):
what's kind of interesting about it is those specific things
that they pinpointed as weaknesses for Edwards, they're real. But
the question is whether or not Sean Brady has that
particular ability to take advantage of it. Let me give
you an example about what I'm talking about. It's not
just where he was shooting, which is something I've discussed

(19:02):
a lot, where you would see Balamahammad put his right
ear to the right hip consistently every time because Leon
Edwards on the tape he doesn't use his right arm
very well for down blocking, for underhooking, framing, getting it involved.
So they knew if they could bring his head to
that side off the double that they would have great success.
And sure enough, that is exactly what happened. But here's

(19:24):
the thing about that. If you actually look at their shots,
the way they shoot and their penetration step, Balahmahammad has
a very low fast shot. I mean, Hamzad is obviously quicker,
but it's kind of like that. That is not how
Brady shoots. That's really not the same kind of way.
He doesn't really have that like hardcore explosive penetration step
into the double. So you know, is that something necessarily

(19:47):
he's going to be able to take advantage of. I
don't think what I think and where I absolutely think
this fight is going to be one and loss to
be seen. And I truly mean this is the clinch
along the fence, Okay, I think that is going to
be absolutely the demarcation line here more than anything else,
because you know, while Ballala know he would back him
up and whatever and then have this explosive shot underneath.

(20:09):
Brady is probably gonna try and like make him cover,
press him into the fence and then begin to work
from that position whereas Ballall is a few feet away,
and then slamming into him off of that shot. I
don't think Brady's gonna do that. And what makes that
really interesting is one I think that could tire out
Leon Edwards. Like if we're talking about things that are

(20:29):
good for Sean Brady, we just mentioned he gets stronger
as the fight goes longer. He was able to solve
the riddle of Gilbert Burns, who has very good defensive
wrestling if nothing else right, So you're gonna be able
to wear him down potentially really really, you know, just
drain him and just make him carry the weight as
time goes on, even if you don't necessarily get the takedown.
But here's the interesting contrast, and this is where I

(20:50):
think Edwards has real life in this one. Edwards has
got under situations like that typically pretty good takedown defense.
And more to that, he's got really good good strikes
in the clinch off of the clinch break, in particular elbows.
He has slashing hardcore elbows right over the top. They
land against virtually all of his opponents. They score great damage.

(21:12):
They often do some cutting depending on the situation, obviously,
but they're very, very very important to everything he does,
and that's something I think that could really derail what
Sean Brady is trying to do. But I guess I
just wanted to point out if you're asking me what
the demarcation line is, it is. Once they are up
against the fence, clinch together, how does Sean Brady drain?

(21:33):
How does he get him down to the mat. He's
probably gonna do what I think. What I think he's
gonna try and do is get behind the elbows of
Leon Edwards. So then now he can attack from the
waist behind, trip out the leg, and then just slowly
bleed him drive. You see, if I think there's a
stoppage in this fight, I think it's Edwards who stops Brady.
But if it goes to a decision, I tend to

(21:53):
think that that should favor Sean Brady. Interesting style class.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, definitely. I mean to your point, shooters are gonna
shoot one of your last name as Oswald or Velaskaz.
But Luke, we just learned from mac Aliath that you
don't actually need to take someone down to win with that,
with that fence scrappling pressure, which is ultimately what he did,
but it wasn't all that entertaining. Is there snooze fest
potential in this one?

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (22:20):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
But but also you know, listen, that crowd is going
to be hyping them up. Leon Edwards talked a lot
of shit about that being you know, we didn't want
to fight at five in the morning, fair enough. I
don't think that that helped anything, But that's not in
play here anymore. And I do think Sean Brady is
going to be I mean, Sean Brady is going to
be grinding certainly up against the fence. There's just no

(22:43):
doubt that could lead to prolonged periods of stalemate and inactivity.
So now here's a question BC, which is, uh, do
we know who the referee is? We have that?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I don't have that information? Maybe L I L does
long is?

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Look do you have the information?

Speaker 6 (22:57):
But I could google it?

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah? Please google. That is going to be highly relevant here.
And I'm gonna say one more time for all the
people who are like I don't want any stand ups
and if you can't separate. Blah blah blah bullshit. If
action stalls get involved. I don't know if the referee
will in this case. But BC, if I'm thinking just
down the line, what could play a hugely determinative role

(23:19):
about how this goes if it goes to a decision.
The extent to which, if their action is stalled, the
referee does anything about it could play a massive massive.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Referees don't do much about it anymore, Luke. So if
I'm one of them, I'm looking to see who can
get the first ipoke. But we talked about the physical
side of it that'll come into play. We know Sean
Bradley Brady, excuse me, is just a machine, a tank.
But there we're a little shots fired from Leon Edwards
regarding the size of Sean Brady when they did stand

(23:50):
off across from each other. So why don't we do it?
I think it's time right now for a little shots
fired brought to you by Queer Vo, and we can
go to the face off that they did earlier this
week in London. You can see the height difference and
here's what Leon Edwards told reporters at Media Day quote,

(24:12):
I didn't know he was that small. I was walking
towards him and he had his back turned to me,
and I looked over and I was like, where the
fuck is Sean? Then he turned around and I was like,
what the hell? So, yeah, I think he's about five
eight five nine. Probably. I feel like the skie difference,
the reach, and the strength will play a big part
in this fight, Luke, height differences has not stopped certain

(24:35):
people in mixed martial arts. Look at Joe Rogan's career arc.
Is this a fair shot being fired by Leon regarding
the truth you know what he's up against in this fight?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, yes, and no. He has a two inch reach
advantage that should play a role. And of course we've
seen Sean Brady. We had him on the RSD couch.
He is not a he is not a tall welterweight.
Is He does not necessarily give off like he's not
the biggest welter weight I've ever seen. Let's put it
that way. However, if Sean excuse me, if Leon Edwards

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thinks he's going to have a strength advantage over Sean Brady,
is he is about to be in for a rude,
fucking awakening. Absolutely not. He'll get mauled in a strength
competition there is. There's just no doubt in my mind
whatsoever about that. Now, of course, skilled fighting means you
have technique, and technique makes up for a lot of strength.
All these things are in the wash together. But you know,

(25:28):
did you see the grip test that they did? Yes?
Uh yeah. The only guy to beat Sean Brady was
two zero five or Carlos Alberg, and it was only
by seven kilos, Like, please be serious about this, Like,
what are we talking about here? He is a gorilla.
And other welterweights who have fought, we talked about Michael Kiassa,
but he ain't the only one have told us Jesus
that guy is strong. So absolutely not. But but BC,

(25:50):
you know, he is going to be rangier, He's gonna
have better long range weapons. I think kicking is gonna
be an interesting question here for Leon. Does he do
it in order to keep maybe some of the hands
holstered of a guy like Sean Brady? Does he do
it because Sean Brady obviously is gonna be a little
bit more at a disadvantage relatively speaking in terms of
pure striking skill in these ranges. Does he not do it?

(26:12):
Because he doesn't want to risk it getting taken down.
These are all relevant factors. And Sean Brady to that
point is, you know, from a from a far wearing sweats,
he doesn't look that imposing, but once he gets his
hands on you, well, now, now the gorilla begins to
do what he's gonna do. So I think it's a
yes and no kind of answer, but it's just this
is what I mean. This is what I freaking mean.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
BC. Well's another I just wanted to tell you, Luke.
I just want to interrupt you to say that shots
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Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, okay, fair enough, This is what I meant. It's
fine to observe that your opponent is a little bit
smaller than maybe you would have imagined, but it just
seems like yet another log on the fire of him
and being like, oh he's small, I'll have all these
advantages over him, and it's like, where what is the
line BC? Between him being very confident as any fighter

(27:12):
should be, and like dismissive and it's a thin line,
but it just seems to me that Leon's a little
bit kind of crossing over into that other one all
the time.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I mean, it isn't this part of the reason why
we overlooked him on the rise up and said, you know,
he's he's not marketable enough. He never got his receipt
back against Mosmitol for that backstage incident. Nate almost solved
him weird eye poke in the first BALLLL fight there,
I mean yet yet Luke round five headshot dead and

(27:44):
the Rocky story came to life. So as we turn
this into our prediction, here, will the real Leon Edwards
please stand up? Which one are we getting? We getting Leon?
Are we getting Rocky? On Saturday?

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I think we're getting Leon. I think we're getting Lee.
I mean, listen, we talked about we started this conversation
talking about the odds. This is a close one. And
if people don't believe in Sean Brady because of what happened,
let's say, and not just in the Bala Muhammed fight,
but like go back to the Michael Kiessa fight where
he was able to win that one with positional control,
but he had some real damage is you know, there

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wasn't enough damage that he was putting it on him.
I think those are fair considerations. I think that that's
absolutely something that you should take seriously, and you know,
listen if you want to be like, hey, I think
Lean is an underdog is a good betting proposition. I
fully understand that as well. But in preparation for today,
I rewatched the Gilbert Burns fight some other ones here
from from Sean Brady, I really feel like he has

(28:41):
learned a lot of valuable lessons from that loss, That's
what I mean. And the way in which he was
able to overcome a very sturdy Gilbert Burns, yes, the
thirty eight Gilbert Burns, of course, but one who still
has very good jiu jitsu, very good defensive wrestling, and
obviously a wealth of experience, and to be able to
just put it on him even more as the fight
went long. I just thought it was very impressive. Kept

(29:03):
himself safe in the stand up. PC didn't make a
lot of errors. That was a big one before. I
like Sean Brady in this contest, and I think it
look again to the point you raised, could it be boring,
Yes it could. I absolutely but I feel like he's
ready to really make a push here and we'll see
what happens on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Here's the interesting question, though, what if Leon doesn't have
these concerns we're talking about. What if we get you know,
seventy five to one hundred percent of the best Leon,
And what if he's able to stop the takedown consistently.
What if he has weapons for the clinch to keep
Sean away? If this turns into a five round kickboxing bout,
has Brady evolved his game enough to beat a former

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top five pound for pound guy. That's why I'm still
leaning with the underdog Leon, because I believe Luke he's
gonna be better than he showed mentally verbally this week.
And I still have questions whether Sean Brady, if he
has to go toe to toe with somebody, can get
the best of them.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Is concern here, Yeah, totally if he can't. So, Sean
Brady averages three point five takedowns per fifteen minutes, so
more than one around Now, he doesn't have to get
that every single round obviously, Like I think there was
a round in maybe round two or something, he didn't
get any takedowns on Gilbert burns. It doesn't have to
get up every single round. But basically, if he can't

(30:20):
get takedowns, I don't think he can be Leon. I
think it's as simple as that. You know, by the way,
I don't think that's exclusive to Sean Brady. I think
there's actually a lot of welterweights who if they were
forced to just to just stand with him, could they win?
You know, could could Bela Muhammed, who's the freaking champion.
Could he have won if he just had to stand
with him? You know, I don't know about that. That's

(30:42):
a completely different proposition at that point. So to your point,
if we end up in a place where like the
takedowns just isn't happening, 're entering round three, you know
Sean Brady is in some trouble in that scenario for sure.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
All right. I'm leaning Leon, Luke is leaning Brady. They're
odds once again from DraftKings plus one thirty Rocky Edwards
minus one fifty five Sean Brady. Were bringing our betting
expert Nosita Settle the difference. What's the value bet here
and who do you think really wins this?

Speaker 5 (31:08):
The value bet is definitely Leona plus money personally, I'm
taking the over two and a half in a parlay.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Fuck man, you both make good points. Just straight up,
gun to your head, gun to my head.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
I'm going headshot, bet headshot, dead baby.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
There it is, there it is. Let's get into this
fantastic co main event. Both of these light heavyweights in
this crossroads matchup believe that a victory will elevate them
immediately to a title shot against the winner of the
expected rematch between malcom Met and Caliaf and former champion
Alex Pereira. This time it's forty two year old former

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champion himself, Yon Blohovich, coming back after nearly two years
off due to double shoulder surgery. Surgery recovery is so
difficult that he considered retirement multiple times. But he's back
and he's a plus two forty five underdog according to
DraftKings against a streaking, handsome Carlos Olberg, who is minus

(32:10):
three to five favorite coming in. Luke, I believe this
is a three round fight. I haven't seen any evidence
to suggest it's a five round fight. But do you
think those odds are acceptable given the questions coming in
on Yon? Or maybe should the betting odds have been
focused on that. As good as Olberg is, he's riding
a hell of a wind streak. He's only fall Volcanosdamir

(32:32):
of those higher level guys. That's got to come into
play when you're handicapping this matchup.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
I don't think the odds are crazy on this one.
You know, Okay, you know I've I've had shoulder reconstruction.
I've had I tore my labor completely and my shoulder
fell out of my socket in my sleep. I mean
it was it was bad, you know, not everyone's rehab
is the same. But I didn't feel right until about
a year later. It took forever for shit to feel

(32:58):
like it was normal again. I did aggressive physical therapy
to get it back. And this happened when I was
twenty nine, not when I was thirty nine or forty.
Completely different proposition. He had that on not one, but
two shoulders. I mean, understand something like your knee just bends,
that's it. But your shoulder can go to the side,
it can go forward, it can go backwards, it can

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do all different kinds of stuff. It is a much
more complicated joint to heal. And he had both of them.
Motherfucker's under surgical repair that is extremely difficult to come
back from and to be in your forties. Now forty
two offer basically two years. And here's the thing. I've
not necessarily been the biggest believer in Carlos Alberg. He
looked interesting as a prospect. He's thirty four. It's not

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like he's a young guy. Granted, thirty four is a
lot younger than forty two, especially a two of five,
but you know, you get the point I'm trying to make.
It wasn't like he was surging through. But I tell
you what, man, you're right. The only opponent he's faced
where I was like, okay, that's a quality opponent he
just beat was the vulcan Uzdemir fight. But I remember
going into that one, I was like, yeah, I don't
knowho was de Maria looking pretty good here too. I
think he'll probably beat him. And then Olberg I thought

(34:04):
performed very well in that contest. I thought he looked
really really good. Has really understood, like he picked a
style and he's got this kind of rangy, sort of
in and out style lateral movement a lot of the times.
You know, he's not really a pocket boxer. In that
way in the same kind of way anyway. I mean,
he'll do a little bit of it, but not much.
But he didn't really understand like what maintaining that style meant.

(34:28):
And it seems to me that he now understands the
parameters of it much better. He gets it much more,
and he's going to be able to be I think,
faster in this contest. He's going to be able to
fight at range, I think, very nimbly. His movement is
going to be pretty good. And you know, the other
part too, BC is if I had double shoulder surgery.
I'm sure Jan is going to say he, you know,
finally feels comfortable and confident to be able to throw

(34:50):
punches and like trust that. But I wonder if in
the back of his mind that that it really will
be true once the fight actually starts, or you know,
if you know, he takes a shot to the arm
even and it, you know, rattles him a little bit,
or you know, anything like that where it can sew
seeds of doubt or potentially even confusion about how well
this thing is going to be able to operate or

(35:10):
up to to work for him through the course of
that bout the time off we see the age coming
back from surgery against the guy in Corlos Olberg, who
looks to me like he's really beginning to put together
all the pieces of his style. Yeah. I totally get
why the odds are and I fully agree with them.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
All right, let me push back on Yon potentially here. Okay,
his major blemishes of his you know, reinventive, rejuvenated late
thirties have come in three of his last four fights,
right where, of course, talking about the title loss relatively
early and quickly to gol Over to Shia, that majority
draw against Maga Man and Caliath for the vacant title

(35:47):
in which Jahan was taken down and controlled late, and
of course the split decision loss in Alex Pereira's two
oh five debut two years ago. But Yon Toldarielhwani and
to sit down two weeks ago that the shoulders issue
started all the way back in the twenty nineteen Israel
out of or sorry, twenty twenty one Israel out of

(36:07):
Sonia title defense at two hundred five pounds. So that's
that entire run where he had legitimate trouble and some
degree with those shoulders and was compromised. I did sit
down with the on Bohovis this week on the Brian
Campbell Experience, where I basically teed that up. I said, look,
you've had shoulder problems going back to the out of
Sonya fight. How much did that play a role in

(36:29):
these draw in the draw and the two defeats since then?
Let's hear his response. And I know you're never one
to make excuses. You're always a very honest fighter, and
we love that about you. But when you look back
at losing to Pereira or losing.

Speaker 9 (36:43):
To no excuse anyway, I don't like excuse Iah, but did.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
That do you back then? Did you have no?

Speaker 9 (36:52):
I don't like to talking about this. That was the
shoulders was fucked a long time and that's it. Then
finishing this, you know, if you are sick and you
use it after the fight, don't do it. You know,
stay at home, recover if you have You know, if
you feel steel bad and you know it that you've
got an injury and you go to the fight, don't
excuse after the fight that, oh that was bad because

(37:14):
I haven't broken toe or I have diarrhea.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I don't care, So stay at home.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Let's hope not on the diarrhea. Wow. Wow, you don't
want that in the car?

Speaker 9 (37:22):
That would be great, you know, in the fight diarrhea.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Wow. Shout out to Justin Kish once again.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
I like how every online conversation you have in MMA
ends up with diarrhea.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, there's no question about that. Do you think any
of that affected him? And is there an idea that
he can be Henry Rowan Gardner sitting in the center
field bleachers of Wrigley Field, Luke, and when his arm
recovers from that surgery, he can yeah, thank you, thank you,
Rookie of the Year. He can throw strikes to the
play from the bleachers. Are we going to see a

(37:55):
turbo charged bionic legendary Polish power on Saturday? That will
leave you surprise?

Speaker 4 (38:02):
I well, let me just say this, he's not using
it as an excuse, which I you know, mad respect
to Yanbohovich, I think we all really appreciate that. But
in his defense, BC, if he had to get double
fucking shoulder surgery, there is simply no question it affected
him badly. There is no question in my mind to
the point where it's like, now, how could it have
affect him if he was still able to fight? Well,

(38:24):
the question is what kind of range of motion did
he have to mechanically cock back to throw with full authority?
Was he having to pull his punches because he just
wasn't really able to trust the integrity of the shoulder
in order to I mean, dude, that could have major
implication and any kind of static holding, you need to
do all of it, all of it, dude. I remember

(38:46):
when after I had shoulder surgery, I ran. It was
three months later. I went for a run three months BC,
three months later, and just the bouncing of the shoulders
as I ran hurt, just that, just that, And I
was like to the point it hurt where I was like,
oh my fucking like, I can't mess up my surgery.
I don't want to go back under the knife.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
Just that.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
So this is this is what I mean, Like, there's
no question in my mind that messed him up. And
I think obviously in terms of like what happens when
they do these kinds of things is what they what
they do is they just sow the shoulder joint even
tighter so that it reduces your overall range of motion,
but it secures the joint from any kind of subsequent injury.
That's really what they do. But that can also have

(39:28):
an effect. BC. If my shoulder doesn't have the same
range of motion to operate, that tends to have cost.
So this is what I mean. It's probably much more
secure and that confers some benefits, but you're gonna be
limited with range of motion plus the time off plus
this is a surging opponent who likes to fight at range,
who is going to be faster BC. I think certainly

(39:49):
even you would agree with that. Carlos Carlos Olberg is
going to be.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
The quicker of the two, more handsome of the two.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
I mean, I mean that's just about ninety nine percent
of guys at this point. But you understand my point.
I love Yoanblohovich. I think everybody likes Yanblokhovitch. I mean,
he's he's very hard to dislike, but he's got an
uphill climb here, and I don't think we should lose
sight of that.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
All right, let's go to the flip side here in
Carlos Alberg, who, like Jan said, a victory like I
said earlier, will automatically get him a title show. I
don't know if that's true in this division. I think
it might make more sense for Yan who has history
with the two guys that we think will be rematching,
you know, recent history. Let's not forget that Belhovich gave
Pereira a very tough test in a split decision. But

(40:28):
for Carlos Olberg, this is his opportunity to show himself.
I also sat down with him on the BCX and
ultimately asked him what makes him different among the other
title contenders at two o five.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I I I bring to the table just a different look,
That's what it is. It's just a different look that
nobody's really seen before, and it opens doors for many
other opportunities for the company of the UFC. So the
prettiest face on the book, man, that's all that is that?

Speaker 9 (41:00):
Well, that's the joke.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
But but yeah, no, man, it's it all comes down
to just just having a different style. When I get
that title, you know, it just brings a different style.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Well's being a pretty faces. We always joke Carlos on
Morning Combat that you probably have the best d MS
after a win in terms of people wanting a piece
of you reaching out. Is modeling still in your your
portfolio these days?

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm not gonna count it out. I mean, I do.

Speaker 7 (41:29):
I do.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
There are jobs that come my way, but I'm kind
of putting that aside until i get what I want,
uh from this from the UFC and then and then
I looked at to get in that eventually later on
in the future and hope that you know, I don't
break my nose and in too many ways.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
But but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I could be a hand model or something, but you know,
who knows.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
But yeah, later on the future, we'll look at it.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Looky. I would later ask him whether he gets job
offers in his DMS. He said, only hand jobs, So
that does align with the hand modeling right there. All
jokes aside, of course, he's he's got power, he's quick,
he's thirty four, but we consider him a young, youthful
obviously inexperience compared to Yan. But he's the betting favorite

(42:22):
coming in. If he gets this done, how does he
do it?

Speaker 4 (42:26):
You're right, it is three rounds, it's not five. I
think he can outpoint him now. Yan. One of the
things that he's been really great at is very good
about checking kicks. And remember he shut down, is he
you know at two oh five? Like that is a
very very impressive thing. And one of the ways he
was able to do that was by shutting down the

(42:47):
leg kicks, forcing him into boxing range, and he had
much better boxing. Like is that something he can do
against Carlos Alberg at this stage of his game. That's
where I have a little bit of question. I think
the speed is ultimately going to be a big problem
for him. Now that being said, the question is what
does Yanblohovitch do? Does he lead or does he follow?
And I have a feeling he's going to lead and

(43:09):
he's going to try and pressure Alberg because the more
that Olberg is on the move, the less he can
plant and throw, particularly from the kicking department, and so
like what does that do? But I just feel like,
not that he'll have hesitancy to throw. I don't think
that's right. I suspect he's totally committed to get the

(43:29):
job done. But I have a feeling that ultimately some
of the rust is going to play a role here.
Even though he's a very experienced fighter. As I mentioned,
the speed, I think he's going to play a role.
The hand speed, the explosive ability, and I just feel
like Carlos Alberg he might have to scrape by. Like
when I when I say I agree with the odds
makers about who ultimately will get their hand raised, I do.

(43:52):
I actually think it will be pretty close, though, I mean,
you could you know, you know what I mean like that,
I don't think he's gonna run away with it. I
just feel like, can he take two rounds from a
guy he's quicker than rangier than more explosive than who's
been off for two years with double shoulder surgery, who's
forty two years old. He should be able to do that.
Even though Blahovich is very, very tricky and certainly has

(44:14):
stout defense and hard to hurt.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Have we seen his chin truly chest chested? Excuse me
for that jumble. I'm talking about Carlos Oldberg who did
go through smoked. So you think he can handle the
legendary Polish power outside of getting coldcott?

Speaker 4 (44:28):
No, I think? If I mean, I think if Blahovich
lands on him clean, he's.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Kind Oh you're referencing his debut loss with the UFC,
yeh yeah, yeah, But.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
I'm saying, like, you know, dude, if I mean, if
we're at a point in this fight where Bhovich is
landing on him clean I mean, yeah, Carlos Olberg is
in a world of shit at that point. I don't
misunderstand me, but it's just a question of like, are
we going to get to that point or are we
going to get to that point a little too little
too late, you know what I mean, Like, oh, he
figures it out by the third round or something. I

(44:57):
think that's kind of where my head is at a
little bit on that.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
If we're looking at a final four bracket, speaking of
March Madness right now at two o five, with Perreira
on Kalai of rematching on one side and this fight
on the other. It's like you could kind of argue
though that it'd be a lot better for the UFC
if Poeton won that rematch, Carlos Oldberg won this one,
so we get a fresh matchup. Because do you think
the UFC would even attempt to roll out a Mago

(45:23):
med En Kalai of Yanblhovitch rematch for the championship?

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Not if they don't have to, Yeah, not if they
don't have to. If they don't have to, I mean,
look what they're doing. They're putting an old guy against
a again. You know, he's thirty four, but an old
guy versus a relatively speaking young guy that kind of
tells you where their head is at a little bit
on this one. But you know, old guys, especially especially
with legendary Polish power, they die hard. I mean we

(45:47):
all know that they die hard.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
You're damn right they do. Luke, Let's look at the
rest of this card briefly. Here a welterweight matchup that
does have our attention is finally a returning gooner Nelson,
no longer training in Iceland with Connor McGregor. By the way,
he's a minus one eighteen favorite against the Sorry, yeah,
he is a favorite, but it's a virtual pick them
fight against Kevin Holland. It surprised me there. He's minus

(46:09):
one oh two is Holland. So we're looking at basically
a pick em in this three round walterweight Till is
that more about the ability of that gunner Nelson shown
over the years or more about the inconsistency of Kevin
Holland in your eyes?

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I think it's more about Holland's inconsistency. I mean, this
is better for Holland, right, he thought deleedese And had
the rib injury than he fought RDR and he got smoked,
and these were fights he should have never taken. He's
back at one seventy. I think at one seventy he
has a completely different game, a completely different level of physicality,
and you know, I think his back is up against

(46:44):
the wall here BC. I mean, you know, it's like
Donald Serni went on losing streaks, but they were closer
to the end of his career, and even like he
had one losing streak where I think he lost like
three or four in a row, and then he rattled
off like three wins in a row. You know, I mean,
he got right back to it. You know, like Kevin
Holland needs to kind of try to do something closer
to that. And you're getting an opponent who hasn't competed
in fucking forever. Granted he's dangerous, but you know, quite

(47:05):
some time it's been Yeah, like I Kevin Holland. Kevin
Holland is talented, He is very, very talented, but he
fights suboptimally, either down to his opponent or in the
wrong weight class all the time. And it's like get
in the right weight class and put in maximum effort

(47:27):
into these fights, Like you know, according to your best
skill set and see what happens. And I think when
he does that, you know he does really well. Dude.
This is a guy who knocked out fucking Joaquin Buckley.
People forget that, dude, Kevin Holland fucking knocked out Joaquin Buckley.
Like he's a good fighter. But if you're looking at
these odds, it's because I think the odds makers are like, oh, yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
A k off his back that time against what jockeray.
I mean, he's done some things.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Yeah, yeah, dude, Kevin Holland is a nasty dude when
he wants to be. But I'd be very curious from
a betting perspective where bong Islan Luke is on this one,
because you know it, it's hard to have confidence in
Kevin Holland and at the same time, Gunnar and Nelson.
I mean, I remember when he made a name for
himself beating Jeff Monson at ADCC, But he's been off forever.
So where are you at on this one? Long hoyo.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
Earlier the odds have moved a lot.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
It is a pick him now, But earlier in the week,
Kevin Holland was actually a pretty fat dog. I got
him at plus one twenty five. You mentioned he's got
the win over Waquem Buckley that was at eighty five.
But Joaquin Buckley's are ranked welterweight right now. There is
a really good win. He is four and three at welterweight.
Those three losses all came to top fifteen welterweights.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
So I feel like you're getting Gunner here hasn't fought
in two years. Excuse me?

Speaker 5 (48:35):
And how about this Gunner Nelson has fought five times
in Kevin Holland's entire twenty five fight UFC career.

Speaker 6 (48:42):
No way, yep.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
So Kevin Holland been way more active, literally fought five
times the amount that Gunner has in the last however
many years. That is h Yeah, I'm ridding with Kevin
Holland here. He is inconsistent. You gotta take the value there.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Yeah, dude, Again, it's like the same thing with the
same thing with Yan Blohovitch. Like you know, Yan Blohovich
is high end, is higher than anything Oldberg has shown.
But two years off is or almost is a long time, dude.
It's a long time.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
So nelsince thirty six, he's off almost two years to
the day. He fought March eighteenth of twenty twenty three
against Brian Barberina. He submitted him. He fought a year earlier,
taking a decision from Takashi Sato. He had a three
year break before that. It had a loss in twenty
nineteen to both Gilbert Burns and Leon Edwards, and then
he was off for almost a full year before that.

(49:29):
What is going on here, Luke?

Speaker 4 (49:32):
These dudes are you know? I mean, partly it's partly.
It's you know, it's like with Ryan Hall. It's for example,
like Ryan Why's Ryan Hall been so inconsistent? Well, there's
a lot of matchups he was offered that I know
he didn't particularly want, and then he had a bunch
of injuries and he wanted to get right with that.
And then a lot of these guys, I'm not sure
it's what except this effects Gunner in Iceland, but you know,

(49:54):
in many other cases, these guys were on gyms. You
have to come it like life just kind of finds
a way of getting in the way. Yeah, but you
know they're not done. They are competitors. They want to
get out there and win. And Gunnar Nelson's ground game,
I mean, I don't need to tell anybody about this.
It's phenomenal. It's just you know, gole Lee dude. Two
years off is a tough, tough time to come back to.
Even and inconsistent, yet quite talented Kevin Holland Luke.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Molly Meatball has lost three of her last four. She is,
of course a big time local favorite. Here at Women's Straway,
she welcomes Alexia ty Nara, who I know nothing about.
Does this fight make you move.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
It All Contender series winner Tainara? I didn't see anything
super impressive, necessarily jungle fight veteran. I think it's probably
something of a get right fight for Molly, but we shall.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
See f the tories. By the way, as she would say, Luke,
what else do you like on this card?

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Man? There's a bunch of stuff I like on this card,
if I do say so myself. Okay, I'm sure I'm
mispronouncing his name because I'm terrible about it. But Jordan
Vussnic against Chris Duncan, Dude, Jusnich has had one on
one with Paul Hughes, the second of which was an
absolute amazing fight, and I know he had his UFC debut.

(51:09):
Jordan did on short notice, and you know it didn't
look necessarily like that awesome, but it was like crazy
short notice in order to get there. This guy has
been doing great things in the lightweight division, over in
Cage Warriors and in Europe. I love this fight. I
think it's a great one. Nathaniel Wood, who has been
somewhat inconsistent but still quite good against Morgan Sharier. I'm
sure I'm saying that last name not quite right. He's

(51:29):
twenty and ten, but still seems to me like one
of the brighter French talents that has emerged on the
UFC scene. Jack Herbert's always kind of fun against Chris
Padilla that you can take that. Mick Parkin at heavyweight
ten and zero out of England. You know, I don't
really believe a lot in heavyweight prospects, and I don't
know if he's gonna win this one against Marching Tai Bora,
but Mick Parkin has looked pretty good to me of late. Actually,

(51:51):
I love his spark. He's got some decent boxing. This
is an interesting contest, and dude, if we can get
a guy at heavyweight who can do exciting things and
move through the tendership, que, I'm all in favor of that.
And then last but not at least for me, Guram
kute Talazzi, who I really thought was gonna be one
of these guys at lightweight who was gonna be, you know,
the new class to replace the old one. It didn't

(52:12):
quite happen that way, but he's still very, very talented
taking on I don't know how to say this guy's
first name, but Fernandez out of Brazil, who's you know,
a decent to good fighter. But Kutezaladze I've had a
high opinion of in terms of like what I think
his game could be. So you know, there's other ones
you can pick up and down here, but just those
alone are pretty good for me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Indeed, And by the way, Mick parkin last year, I
had a first round knockout finished there in his last fight.
Who was that again? So I'm sorry, I just just
dropped off the side of my brain and didn't see
it there. Also before that he beat Muhammad Usman by
decision Lucas Presky. So this is, you know, this is
him trying to step up to that next level, to
that Mendoza line that people like Tobura and Spevak represent

(52:52):
Long Island. Luke, you had a hot on for this undercard.
Can we get a bet to look for a strawweight
to watch.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
What he got for me?

Speaker 11 (53:01):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Not a strowway to watch you bet to look for
you guys didn't ask my opinion when we were going
over it.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
But yeah, I'm blohovich man.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
I got him at plus two twenties plus two forty
five right now. He's only lost to champions in the
last six years. Olberg hasn't even fought anyone in the
top eight. Uh, blovitch last seven fights been against the
top eight.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
So you know this is a big step.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Taking the Polish power too.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Let's go.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
Let's I do want to give a shout out to
Nathan Fletcher versus Callan Loughren. That is the battle of
the Liverpool Gym's next Gen going against Team Koban Kyle bon.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
I don't know where Darren Till.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Trains either way, isn't Colin. Isn't he Irish?

Speaker 6 (53:36):
He's Irish, but he trains okay? Cool?

Speaker 5 (53:38):
Yeah, so that's a pick them too that fight. Looking
forward to it. You mentioned Ji Herbert versus Taco Padilla.
That was Ji was a big favorite in that now
it's a pick them. So I'm pretty excited to see
that Padilla did cash as like a plus two to
twenty dog last time.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
He fought a lot of fights to look forward to here, man.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, a lot of bong hits to take on the
main card minute Live show on Saturday, so check that
out in the afternoon. Connor McGregor is also running for president, Luke,
I'll throw that in as a footnote there in.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Irish Lucky for the Irish.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
All right, let's go to topic number two, and it
all stems from an Ariel Hawane report about a week
and a half ago, but it really became a topic
this week, the idea that John Jones, who we all
hope waiting, will sign a heavyweight unification against Tom Asperinot
at some point this year. The report from Helwane was
twofold one that Jones is demanding a six month training

(54:29):
camp to prepare for aspinall, and two that he's also
demanding that Deontay Wilder level money that we used to
talk about that around thirty million according to Helwani. Luke,
at this moment, how confident are you that we see
this fight at all? Because This could just be public negotiation, right,

(54:57):
this could just be there.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Video about this on my YouTube channel. And then I
had a discussion about it on the live chat yesterday
as well, and there was a viewer who brought up
a great point into something that I really I thought,
really kind of crystallized it for me. We are now,
I think, just three or four days away, maybe maybe less.
We're basically on the precipice of Tom aspinall being five

(55:22):
hundred days as interim champion, and we have a graphic
for that, Luke, let's see the graphic because this was
this was several days ago. I'm not sure when this
was put up, so you know. And then the notion
is on on April twenty ninth, he'll have five hundred
and thirty five, which will make him either tied for
first and then eventually Overta's He's gonna overtake Hennon Moraw
essentially as the longest reigning interim champion. And the point

(55:47):
that the viewer brought up to me quite correct is that, like, dude,
if you're John Jones, you have had to have known
for quite some time that you had a showdown with
this guy. If you had to have known. There's like,
there's no mystery about it. It wasn't like he was
like the unofficial number one contender, Right, he's been the
guy with the belt and now to a point where

(56:10):
it will be the record in the history of the
organization in terms of how long he'll have it. Like
there's no way, there's no plausible deniability that there was
anything else. Yeah, I know he tried to Shoohorn in
the poetson fight and whatnot, but like you had to
have known the claim that you now need an additional
six months. No, my fault was, Okay, if he's asking

(56:31):
for more money and it's public negotiation, like what's the
line between negotiation and then ducking. Sometimes it can be
very thin. It can be very very thin between them,
and we understand that. Or it could also be the
case that he's asking for six months, not that he
needs an actual six months, but that like he's got
like family stuff or whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
And then people think cycling, Luke cycling, and I don't
mean to de France.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Right, yeah, I mean, listen, there's any number of I
mean any yeah, well, well you do mean toward France
just a lands off. Yeah, but like there's all of
the there's all of these theories, and like all of them,
we know. I'm just gonna say this, dude, I I
am trying to not be negative about this, and you're
asking me, like what my level of you know, what

(57:17):
likelihood is there. I'm still gonna remain fifty to fifty
on this one, perhaps even irrationally. It's the most important
fight I think the UFC can make this year. It's
one of the most important fights UFC can make for
its entire heavyweight history. I absolutely believe that, and it's
one of the you know, the most lucrative fights of
any weight class that they could make. So for these reasons,

(57:38):
there's a lot of there's a lot of you know,
belief and why it should take place. At the same time,
it's like John says he doesn't want to fight him
a long time ago, tries to shoehorn in the Poeton fight.
Is asking for six months for reasons we can't even
fucking fathom what they would even be at this point,
and he's asking for money. Not that I think that
that money is unreasonable, but you know, part of the

(58:00):
reason why pay per view buys are down is because
the UFC has had stars that they could have accessed
and used, and those stars chose to sit on the
sidelines because they weren't getting enough money, or at least
they didn't feel like they were being adequately compensated. Like
we're already in this position because when the UFC has

(58:22):
to choose between their business model and then breaking out
the piggybank a little bit to break that model to
make something happen, they just don't. They don't. There's no
evidence that they do that. And so hope springs eternal.
I suppose b see, I'm really not going to sit
here to Clara won't happen because maybe in the end,
you know, John just budgets and then we all this
goes away and then we don't really have to worry

(58:42):
about it. But like, while I recognize is that, as
aforementioned that there the line between ducking and negotiating can
be quite thin. Is there any evidence is what I
would ask, Is there any evidence that you can look
at that John wants this fight, He might take this
fight in the end, or he might be compensated to
such a degree BC that he relents to his objections.

(59:06):
But all of the available evidence to me suggests he
just doesn't fucking want it, and I think you have
to come to terms with that.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I mean, it's a little you know, ironic or coincidental
because I'm also from Connecticut. But all I have right
now is apathy for this situation. I just kind of
like when we were doing the Connor Chandler bit and
we're just sort of like, we get to a pointhere,
like I don't care anymore. Make a decision, shit or
get off the pod. I mean, when I heard this report,
I tweeted and got a lot of pushback, by the way,
but tweeted like six months, You've had six years to

(59:37):
prepare for this fight. Or whoever was in this spot
across from you.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Wait a second, let me back up. What were the objections.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
The objections were that this is obviously public negotiation and
that if anyone deserves this money, it is John. Yeah.
I believe with the I believe in the latter, but
it was hard for me not to go. You took
three years off to rebuild your body, hired Richard Schaeffer
and try to get this money. You couldn't. It allowed
you to duck in Ganu. Then the UFC conspires with
you to just drag this out to unthinkable levels after

(01:00:07):
his injury postgnfight, allowing Stipe's old ass to wait another year,
and now you're just stunting on Aspinall's career. You know
who else didn't like this news? A former John Jones opponent,
Chill Sunn and the bad guy. Let's listen to four
and a.

Speaker 12 (01:00:23):
Half months since that fight. Did he not train train
with aspitall in mind? Did he not full well know
the undefeated champion or rather underspeed a ship was gonna
take on the interim champion? What do you mean he
needs six months? Six months from win, six months starting win?

Speaker 11 (01:00:38):
There?

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Do I guess you mean from right now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Don't you Anything that I.

Speaker 12 (01:00:42):
Am saying aside from six months from now is silly
as a matter of fact, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
You wouldn't have even brought it up unless.

Speaker 12 (01:00:49):
You met from now, So of course it's from now
that's very interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
So six months, Luke would put us in September. Obviously,
there's gonna be that November in New York City, MSG.
That could be a perfect landing spot. I get the
problem I have with leaning on the money side of
it for John is well, Hey, the time, it's taking,
it's embarrassing, it's allowing him to say all these comments
that make you believe he's not the guy we thought
he was and he doesn't want this fight at all.

(01:01:16):
But beyond that, it's like, who are you at the
end of the day, Like, if you were the person
that says fighting aspenall means nothing to me, then you
should have left the title in the ring when you
beat Stepe and walked off. Okay, And over the years,
we would stop talking about the aspinall part of this,
and we would probably only be talking about John's greatness.
But he's also dragged this out, so he's also at fault.

(01:01:38):
I kind of just wanted to go away. Luckily aspinall
is keeping of sound mind. Here's a little snippet of
his talk on one on one MMA.

Speaker 13 (01:01:47):
There's no way to go for Johnny. He either has
to fight me or retire now. And if he does retire,
everyone knows that he will have been avoiding me, So
that literally isn't under the fight for john at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
So hey, it works.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Up pretty It is an indictment on the UFC too,
like get your shit together, you know, strip him if
he doesn't want it strip.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Him or or I mean, listen, I don't think John
is like, you know, an awesome person, but like pay him,
fucking pay him, like just pay him. Oh, we don't
want to break our model. We want to keep athlete
costs at twenty percent below people. I mean, if anybody
is sick of the fight or pay conversation, believe me,
it is me. But like guys, maybe he is negotiating

(01:02:31):
for more money and and in the end if he
gets all, you know, thirty million, parent is what he's
asking for. If he ends up getting it, god bless him.
I don't think thirty million is you know, it even
ends up being twenty twenty five that that to me
is like a great payday. He's more than earned. He's
more than earned. I don't have any problem with it.
But like, this is what I mean. John Nash on

(01:02:52):
his podcast was talking about this. So the UFC from
ESPN gets paid twenty million per pay per view, and
then ESPN takes whatever they can get, you know, from
the from the from the buys, right, so they just
pay them twenty million and then they get to keep
the receipts on the buys and the thing is is like,
you know, pay per view buys are just down tremendously
and so like the average pay per view return is

(01:03:13):
not that high. But apparently, according to him, the UFC's
willing to look the other way when like, hey, Connor
would come in and you know fight Serrone and do
a million buys, they more than make up for it
for you know, like half of the year with something
just like that. So they'd be totally cool with it
in those scenarios. And apparently John Jones versus Stevee sold
pretty well. I don't know Jack what the number was,
but I guess everyone was happy with it in the end.
But this is the point I'm trying to make. It's like,

(01:03:36):
if they would just come up off their pockets a
little bit to pay these guys outside of what they're
you know business model that lets them keep eighty cents
of every dollar that is generated, you could have these
fucking fights. You could have them. They're not like they're
not like so difficult to make. They're just difficult to

(01:03:59):
make if you're gonna pinch pennies. And again, they still
might do it. I'm not saying that it won't happen,
but like all of this difficulty, like if John is
saying thirty million, fucking call his bluff. Call his bluff
and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Or make a phone call Uncle Turkey line one. Seriously,
you're in bed with the man, call him. He bailed
you out on the sphere. Let's go. I don't care
if the fight's in Saudi. Let's go. Let's make the fight.
End of discussion, though, Luke, we gotta keep going here.
Let's go to topic number three. The very controversial boxing
superstar Ryan Garcia has cleared, of course his one years

(01:04:34):
or will be clearing his one year suspension in April
next month, and of course is prepping for his May
second time Square return against Rolando Romero. But Garcia kind
of came clean for the first time about that very
tumultuous twenty twenty four when he sat down last week
with Ach and Barack of the new podcast Ring Champs,

(01:04:55):
which of course is on the All the Smoke Fight Network,
and you can check out the full episode of this
on the Ring Champs YouTube page. Garcia revealed really in
depth detail about the drugs and alcohol that led to
a lot of the crazy, erratic behavior leading up to
the Hainy victory, and of course after it, when he
was stripped or when he was when the wind got

(01:05:17):
taken away due to the positive test due to Ouster
and it became a no contest. Let's listening to Ryan
talking about how much the drugs and alcohol did really
put him on the verge of throwing it all the
way last year.

Speaker 11 (01:05:30):
I'm surprised I'm here right now. Really, I was training
it every day, every single day. I feel like the
people are even the day of the fight.

Speaker 14 (01:05:37):
Day of the fight, I just got so involved in
just trying to cope whatever was going on inside. And
like I said, I've been struggling mentally for years and
it just wouldn't.

Speaker 11 (01:05:46):
Stop for me.

Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
So what was the turning point?

Speaker 14 (01:05:49):
Turning point is to realize, like, damn, bro, I'm slucking
my life up, you know, and getting arrested was a
big part of it. Almost losing my kids was a
huge part of it.

Speaker 11 (01:05:57):
Can you talk about what happened that day?

Speaker 14 (01:05:59):
I decided to take a bunch of shrooms and something
I was doing already, but this time took too many.

Speaker 11 (01:06:08):
And I kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
Just lost it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Bro.

Speaker 11 (01:06:11):
I can't really say anything else.

Speaker 15 (01:06:12):
I mean, they were that you trashed the room.

Speaker 14 (01:06:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I ended up breaking everything
in the room. I don't I really don't remember, bro,
I was drunk and fucked up to.

Speaker 16 (01:06:21):
The But to his point, who were you with that day?

Speaker 11 (01:06:24):
The same people?

Speaker 17 (01:06:26):
And see, this is the thing though, I'm sure those
people love you, but that doesn't mean that they know
what's good for you in your career, in your life
and your spirit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
That's all. I'm sure that people love you. I ain't
trying to knock them.

Speaker 17 (01:06:38):
I'm just trying to say, do you think you should
have been around that kind of people that's comfortable when
you getting drunk?

Speaker 11 (01:06:43):
Right? No?

Speaker 14 (01:06:44):
No, I respect that, and no, man, I feel I
just didn't have those type of people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
You can download the full episode on all pot wherever
you find find podcasts, along of course the Ring Champs
YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Luke, I'm not looking those Stock and Barrock. I like
those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah, And I'm not looking for you to provide sympathy
to a guy who just did so much bullshit last year.
The conspiracies, the racism, the challenging, all these fighters talking
about about their wives like it was NonStop. It was
out of control. He did touch on two moments that
played a big part, the cancer diagnosis for his mom
in June and the divorce he had in January of

(01:07:24):
last year that came just a few weeks after the
birth of his son, Henry. So Luke, I want you
to kind of just gauge what you're seeing here. We've
also seen a more relaxed Ryan in the two press
conferences for this Romero fight. Do you think he can
put this behind him and instill access the highest points
of his career if he is clean and sober and
in the right state, with the right help around and

(01:07:46):
moving forward.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Well, you know, let he who has uh, I mean,
I know the I've tortured this phrase, but it really
is quite true that he who was without sinning cast
the first stone. And more to the point, anybody who
has been in the throes and the conroll of illicit substances,
drugs or alcohol knows that not only do you end
up hurting yourself a lot, but you hurt a lot

(01:08:08):
of people around you. And it seems like that has
dawned on him, at least in some of the early
and very important stages. I mean, BC, you would agree
he just looks a lot better here. He certainly sounds
a lot better here. Everything he was so manic before
right where he was just firing off words and sentences.
Everything seems down to earth in a much better way.

(01:08:30):
So let me just say I commend him on the progress.
I commend him on the sobriety. I commend him on
I think also BC, wasn't it part of this that
he was potentially losing custody of his children?

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Yeah, with the arrest, so he caused fifteen thousand dollars
of damage at the Waldorf in Beneverly Hills. And by
the way, that was fueled at that moment by his
mom's cancer diagnosis, and it led to when he was arrested.
I think there was an incident with his ex wife
as well that led to him be on the verge
of losing visitation with this three kids. So if that
was a turning point that sobered him up. You know,

(01:09:03):
for the human side of it, you certainly hope he
can he can stay. But for the boxing side, we
never thought he can be as dangerous, nasty and everything
as he was in that HAINI fight. I know that
there were hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
I mean, remember, granted, you know, we've all had some
bad predictions. Me saying HAINI was gonna tune him up
like a guitar is an all time bad one. But
I will say in my defense, you know, not that
there was any like it was a bad prediction.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
But the guy is admitting he was drinking like the
day of the.

Speaker 18 (01:09:36):
Fight under normal circumstances that derails ninety nine percent of
pro boxers. So it wasn't like we were crazy for
being like this might not be bad. I just want
to say one more thing about the personal side. You know, again,
anybody who's been in.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
The throws, and I've been in the throws, not so
much of drugs, but certainly you know alcoholism, and it's terrible.
It does terrible things to you. It does terrible things
your relationships. It is terrible things to your professional prospects.
It's terrible. It takes a long time to get right.
I will say BC I had to block him on
social media because there was a point in his life
where he was just spewing the most hateful shit about

(01:10:13):
everybody and anybody. You mentioned, people's wives, people's religions, people's
skin colors, people's I mean, sexual orientation, anything, anything, anything
he could find to just fucking blast away at I
couldn't take it anymore. I think he's actually got a
long road to recovery, to really get to a point
where he can fully understand, like some of the damage
that he caused to himself and like the people his

(01:10:34):
loved ones. But I will say he looks a lot better,
he sounds way better, and I do believe in second chances.
I do believe in redemption. He seems like he's on
a good pack, but I still think he's got a
long way to go. Now you're asking about the boxing
side of things, BC, this is the crazy part. If
that guy was drinking and in the clubs before fighting

(01:10:54):
Devin Haney and then even drinking the day of the fight,
and does that now Granted there was the way issue
and there was the Osteen stuff, it's a much more
complicated hole, but it's quite obvious. He is very skilled
and it's very talented. I think if he's really getting right,
he can rescue himself BC. And you can't make up
for lost time, but he's still got a lot of

(01:11:15):
good time in front of him to make effective great
use of a professional boxing career.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Dude, I think he's still untapped at his full potential.
We saw flashes early on, you know. I think even
when you look back at the Tank fight, you have
to look at that through the lens of the rehydration clause.
And he did make big mistakes in that Tank fight,
and once Tank crumbled him with the knockdown, he wasn't
the same. He was reckless at times. But I think
if they eventually do a rematch, that could look differently.

(01:11:42):
He's got a big plan ahead of him if he
beats Romero. He's already signed the deal to fight Haini.
He said the third fight after that would be either
Teo Femo or Boots Senis. So he's the one who's
coming out and saying I want to fight. I want
to be the first one to fight everyone of the
four Kings Princes, whatever you want to talk about him,
he wants the smoke and all. So he's getting a
really big bag for this Romero fight. Let's hear him

(01:12:03):
talk about that.

Speaker 16 (01:12:04):
Is this fight going to be the most money you've
ever made? What is the money looking like? Maya business.
I'm always gonna bring up money. I'm just watching what
you're saying I know.

Speaker 11 (01:12:13):
What under a higher or lower, I'll do higher.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (01:12:16):
So let's say for this particular fight against Rowley, would
you've been making more than ten million? More than fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
M damn twenty.

Speaker 14 (01:12:30):
He understands this generation on how to promote fights.

Speaker 11 (01:12:33):
You know, he should just be seeing what he's he's
bringing to the table.

Speaker 14 (01:12:36):
He's bringing, you know, mister beestonto play, he's bringing KSI,
all these guys that are huge names and that are
gonna you know, amplify the promotion. He know's he's gonna
move the new they're gonna see. There is a method
to what he's doing. And I think he's he's the
new guy on the block, but I think he's gonna
take over. And if you're hater on it, it's weird

(01:12:56):
because he's bringing all the best fights possible. He's making
sure that we fight me and Devin. There's no if
you have an excuses, it's not about money.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Money, it's not about money.

Speaker 11 (01:13:05):
And he's exposing people because it ain't about money.

Speaker 16 (01:13:08):
When it comes to usually outprice themselves out.

Speaker 11 (01:13:10):
Now they deny a fight. It ain't about money for sure.

Speaker 16 (01:13:14):
For this particular fight against Roby, would you be making
more than twenty around it, around that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
I got it too bad for John Jones when he
hears things like that, Luke, there's no doubt about it.
I wanted to bring up one thing real quick to you.
I have clowned Ryan's reaction on this podcast, by the way,
the one with Doc and Brock on Ring Champs, because
he's still going on the heavy conspiracy theory that this

(01:13:43):
test was a joint plant the Austerean test that he
failed by both the Hany family and the New York
State Athletic Commission, and he's citing the fact that he
tested clean before and after on all the other tests.
He's also citing the fact that Haney's brother put up
on social media, like I think before the fight predicting

(01:14:04):
that Ryan was gonna pop. There's other and I thought
that was sort of more him acting crazy. A lot
of fans came back at me on my personal channel
and we're like, read the details on that it there
does seem to be sketchy circumstances surrounding it. I don't know, Luke,
it sounds far fetched to me, but sketchy circumstances like
what Like he believes the Hany family had knowledge ahead

(01:14:26):
of time that this was going to happen, and it
was a plant and all that. I mean, that could
be a law suit in return coming up. Oh wait,
he's already getting suit.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
I'm gonna guess that the guy who wasn't really in
control with substance abuse problems probably was not artificially poisoned.
I'm gonna guess that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
There's this weird cult of fans that he has that
are desperate to like, like, if he does something great
that they are desperate to credit him for it, and
when he does something bad, they they're they they have
any number of excuses he was poisoned, or he was
treated poorly, or this is unfair, or even if he
did it to himself, there's some other kind of extenuating circumstance.

(01:15:05):
He's got this cult of enablers around him, as fans
and observers who simply are he had guys. Ryan Garcia
has agency. He has agency over his own decisions, he
has agency over his own life, and you can hold
him to account for doing that. It's really not that
difficult to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
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good good luck to Ryan. That is big time stuff.
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number four and it seems to be a little reveal
or is it about the future of take tko boxing?
The partnership of course between Turkey, Ala Chic Saudi Arabia

(01:17:37):
Dana White, UFC, Nick Cohn, Ari Emanuel everything going on
on that side. What we saw was boxing scenes, Lance
Pugmeyer talking to multiple fighter managers who have received, according
to Lance, contract offers stating certain financial structure for what
this TKO league can look will look like. They're already

(01:17:58):
going after young fighters to build for the future. Let's
show a tweet showing this potential pay scale here our
friend Marcos Vegas from fight Hub. The contract stipulates the
purses will be increased based on the fighter's ability to
crack the top ten of the company and climb the rankings.
You can see there twenty thousand dollars for a ten

(01:18:19):
roundabout by an unranked fighter, escalating the higher you go
in rankings and the higher that you come to that
title three hundred and seventy five thousand one challenging for
a company championship, seven hundred and fifty thousand, when defending
a company championship. And there's a lot of other elements
to this that we've seen within it. One is Luke

(01:18:40):
that it seems if you sign with them, you're under
the books for three fights. No word yet if there's
other sort of UFC style contract kickings that allow TKO
to keep you longer. But I wanted to get your reaction,
mostly because it seems so polarizing. A lot of boxing
people read this boxing scene story and said, ah, ever work,
See they're bringing UFC payouts just the same. A lot

(01:19:04):
of people with experience in this area were like, hold on,
this does bring a return to the middle class for
fighters that can't normally reach this level of payout. It
might cap you on the highest end. But what was
your takeaway on this.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
I'm a little bit closer to the latter. I mean,
this is it's very okay. So first of all, like
they're giving the game away here a little bit like
what do they plan to do? Well, you see what
they plan to do. They plan to offer pay that
allows the house of the promoter to make more on
an event than the current structure allows. And if you

(01:19:40):
read the court documents in the UFC Anti trust suit,
there were you know, there were statements from Loudabella, there
were receipts from Golden Boy Promotions. There were you know,
testimonials from Bob Aram where they all kind of explain
seventy percent or higher, including up to eighty percent going
to the boxer is quite normal in that industry, and

(01:20:00):
they explain some of the reasons why they want to
invert this or to bare minimum kind of change it.
And you know, I don't think that's much of a surprise.
I think that part is kind of obvious. So to
that extent, I don't have much to say. The question
is like who ends up taking advantage of these Also,
by the way, for the Company Championship, the Company Championship
kind of tells you that they're they're going to stay

(01:20:22):
in compliance with the ALI Act because they're not trying
to form like a real title. They're just trying to
They're going to have a ceremonial title and then they're
going to kind of treat it like a real title.
But you're asking about the pay, who will apply to
if you look at pay in boxing now, this is
somewhat disputed depending on how you measure it, but there
are ways to look at it based on boxing receipts.

(01:20:45):
Where the in the curve of like all the different
pay slots and who makes what. The vast majority of
the time, boxers make more than MMA, including at the
low end and especially at the high end. People think
at the low end MMA fighters make more. That's really
not the case. But to the point that you raised BC,
there kinda is a bit of a middle class there

(01:21:06):
where they can make more, and so if this is
geared towards that, there could be it could work out
in a quite a lucrative way. But what I would
say is, if they're bringing UFC pay and these are
three fight deals, ostensibly, my hunch is that they want
to add UFC style contract provisions like if you get injured,

(01:21:31):
and granted that's not as relevant in boxing, but it
does tend to happen. It extends your career from the
day you sign versus the day of your first fight,
that difference being an extension if you end up becoming
a champion. Are there their championship clauses? Are what other
things are they going to do to tack onto that
that make it a longer deal, Because by the way,
UFC deals, when they're offered, often are just three fight deals.

(01:21:52):
I've seen UFC contracts, it's very very normal to not
not all of them are that way, obviously, but as
like a sort of like a standard thing, they do
that too. So I can see the argument that this
could service a particular kind of boxer. It's a bit
of a middler that could have something of a bump
and pay bcee. When the UFC got rid of individual

(01:22:14):
sponsors and they picked up the Rebok deal, you know,
it didn't affect every MMA, or I should say every
UFC fighter the same. At the high end, it was
really bad for those guys. At the very low end,
it was really good for those guys because they weren't
getting any sponsorship and such that they wore. It didn't
have to chase these guys down and in the middle
it kind of depended on your circumstances. Seems to me
this will be something like that. I just want to

(01:22:36):
add the real kicker. Here are any of the additional
things that lengthen the terms of the deal. That's what
we have to see, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Mean we still don't know the full package. In fact,
it must be noted Turkey Alaschik, who is him and
his country are of course funding the TKO league. He
owns Ring magazine and on the Ring Twitter account he
did refute this report. He also took it a little
bit further here showing a picture of Gary Jonas, who
is the owner of the Probox Promotion, which purchased Boxing

(01:23:07):
Scene from Paramount over the past two years, and Turkey
says this article is not factually accurate. I think Gary
Jonas should focus on his business in Florida because he
doesn't want the FTC to call him again. I'm wondering
what the structure of his business model with the rehab
facilities in boxing are so end quote there, you've got
a very aggressive use of the supposedly independent editorially ring

(01:23:31):
magazine account. Now Jonas earlier that day did give an
interview that was very negative and aggressive against Turkey in
terms of what his intentions, whether he will succeed in this.
But Luke, I know that TKO seems to be pushing
back to how we reacted to their initial announcement. You
saw Turkey come on Twitter and give that long Spaces

(01:23:52):
thing where he kind of said, no, we're not looking
to push everybody out, drive everybody out of business. I
don't know what the thing anymore. I feel like every
other day, I feel like they've got all the connections
and money to take over. But there is a lot
of old guard that are gonna dig their heels and
probably try to prevent this from having.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Do you see Samson Lukawitz talk about this with the
biv with the bivol thing. Let's see, let's see, let's see.
I mean, i'd say it's to you, You're you're raising
all like literally all the right questions, but we're so
far out. They came out guns blazing and the response
was like eh, and now they're like no, no, no, no, no,
like we're gonna do this and no, no, no, We're gonna

(01:24:31):
be this what we're gonna do? You know what I
mean that the softened the tone in a few different directions,
and again to the point Danil White rays Turkey's got
like what eighteen months left on some of these. It's
it's gonna be a while, It's gonna be aye, let's let's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Will be well, we'll continue to follow this development. Let's
go to topic number five. There is a monster event
this Sunday from the Saitama Super Arena in Japone. Yes,
it is one Championship one seventy two and Luke to acts.
This card this weekend is available on global pay per

(01:25:04):
view on watch dot ONEFC dot com, not the normal
prime video there. This is a supercard that's gonna mix
of course the different combat styles that one likes to present.
But in that main event, to Caro Sagawa, the former
three division K one champion, will take on former One
Championship flyweight Muytai champion or Rod Tang in a five

(01:25:27):
round flyweight kickboxing match. Luke set us up here, there's
a lot to love about this matchup before.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
We even get to We're gonna talk to Timothy Wheaton
here in just a second from Low KICKMMA. But BC
one thing I want to point out on this card,
there are let's see, I believe there are. Let's see
how many fights there are. Don't say anything yet. There
are fourteen fights. Fourteen fights on this card, one to
three of them are MMA, only three MMA fights. Now,

(01:25:57):
I was talking about this with Long Island Luke before
the show. I don't mind this at all. I don't
mind this even a little bit. Like, of course, it's
gonna be great to have more big leagues or bigger
promotions doing MMA, and there is some of that. And
by the way, if you're asking which ones they are,
there's one on the premium car that's really not that interesting.
But Shinya Aoki taken on Edward Foleyang. This is kind
of like a fun fight. Foliyang was something of a

(01:26:19):
Filipino pioneer. This will be a one to seventy fight.
And then the one that's much more interesting is with
the vacant Bansawey Championship between Adreano Moris, who had obviously
those interesting fights with DJ former champion himself, taken on
yu Yo Wakamatsu's That's actually a pretty fun contest there
as well. Yeah rematch, yes exactly so, so there's some
even the MMA they have on there is actually you know,

(01:26:39):
reasonably respectable, especially for the title level. But really the
star of the show obviously is all the kickboxing they
get to Cairo versus ratting and the main Taiwan Chai
taking on Masaki Norie I'm sure I'm saying his name wrong.
And then superc is also on this car as well.
Super Like obviously had an amazing fight with to Karou previously.
So like there's a bunch of really interesting things happening

(01:26:59):
on it. But it does appear to me two things
worth observing. One, this is clearly an organization that is
just moving into more of an muy Thai kickboxing direction,
even if it's four ounce muy Thai. And second of all,
this was brought up to me by by Timothy as well.
Have you noticed for a pay per view event where
they've got literally this to Cara ruversus Row tank fight

(01:27:22):
has been years in the making, Chatri has been very quiet.
Have you noticed that Chatri had done a little bit
of media for it, but not much.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
In figuring out the next season of the One Championship Apprentice.
There's a lot of producing that needs to be done
for that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Okay, yeah, fair enough. But the reason that was given
to me was previously Chatri had said, well, you know,
taie fighters are just Thai kickboxers and multi fighters are
better than Japanese kickboxers. And you know, this was at
a time when he was trying to sign Japanese talent
and then like Curry favor with the Japanese mark. And

(01:28:00):
my understanding was it wasn't like what Chatrie said was
necessarily factually inaccurate, somewhat overstated but factually inaccurate, but just
really tone death for a legion of fighters and a
market that you need, frankly, especial if you're gonna go
in a kickboxing direction where you know, Japanese kickboxing is
obviously not what it once was, but still is an
important market, you know. So what's interesting about that he's

(01:28:22):
kind of taken a bit of a backseat and they're
letting other factors and other kind of influences promote this fight.
So really interesting what's happening with one? And as I
said with to Alana Luke, I don't care what direction
they go. If you put on banger fights and you've
got something that you can do sustainably over time, go

(01:28:43):
do that. You don't need to do MMA. Like again,
I'm not saying I don't want MMA. I'm just saying
I want them to do something that will enable them
to thrive. That's what I want them to do. And
it seems like it seems like this is it now.
To set this up, BEC, we did speak to Timothy
Wheaton earlier this week to give you guys a preview
because listen, as much as I love kickboxing and BC two,

(01:29:06):
we don't know shit about it all, right, Can we
just be honest about that. We know fuck all about kickboxing.
It's not our wheelhouse at all. Feel like I know
a fair bit about MMA. BC knows a fair bit
about boxing, and then you know, kind of a little
bit in between the two of us there, but we
don't know much about kickboxing, so we said we got
to call in reinforcements. Well, Timothy Wheaton, has you covered guys.
To Caeru versus raw Tang is fucking guaranteed barn burning excitement.

(01:29:30):
But what is the relevancy? How do they match up?
Here's my conversation with Tim Wheaton. Tim, Let's get to it.
Why is to carew versus raw Tang such a big
fight in kickboxing?

Speaker 14 (01:29:42):
Man?

Speaker 15 (01:29:42):
I am so excited for this fight. We have been
waiting years to get this match up. And the way
that I compare it to MMA or boxing is that
these are cold war rivals. They are the best from
one organization versus the best from another organization, but they
could never meet. Contra disputes, TV deals, all that sort
of stuff going on. But finally, after years of waiting,

(01:30:05):
we finally get the fight we want. We get the
cold war arrivals, the best of mouy Thai and one
championship facing the best of K one and kickboxing. I
am so so excited for this matchup that these two
will finally get in the ring, We had injuries, we
had so many blocks coming in the way, but we
finally made it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Luke Thomas, We've made.

Speaker 15 (01:30:26):
It, Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
Does it matter that there's no title on the line.

Speaker 15 (01:30:30):
No, not at all here. This is like the way
that I compare it to MMA very accurately would be
vonder Lay Silva and Chuck Liddell. Now when they met
eventually there was no title on the line, but it
didn't diminish how exciting and important that fight was in
MMA history. This fight is in a very similar vein
of there may not be a title on the line,

(01:30:51):
but the title doesn't tell the full story. The records
are the more important part. The names are the far
more important part in this fight. And it's a five
round super fight anyway, So I'm pumped for it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
Does this fight being in Japan obviously that gives to
Careu some kind of support. To what extent does that
matter in terms of how it could influence the fight
or the judges or anything else.

Speaker 15 (01:31:13):
I've wondered the same thing as well. I think everyone
has that home crowd advantage that when you go to Brazil,
they're always gonna, you know, select the Brazilians when you
go to Japan, They're always going to select the Japanese people.
I think him being surrounded by his home audience they're
in Tokyo, I think that's really gonna benefit tech Careu's
attitude when it comes to officiating and judging. I don't

(01:31:34):
think it's going to make a massive difference there. But
Takaru's very emotional fighter. He's a guy who listens to
the audience. He when they're not cheering, he's slowing down.
When they are cheering, he is speeding up. So he's
a very emotional fighter, and I think for that, for
that factor, being in Japan is going to be very
important for mister Takaru.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
Takaru's style could be described as.

Speaker 15 (01:31:56):
What dude, this guy, Oh my god, he's one of
those you think I don't even like combat sports, Go
and watch tech Caru fight and you will immediately shade
your mind. This guy is a forward pressure brawler. He
is looking to take his opponent's head off with a
flurry of strikes. It's honestly just his leg kicks and

(01:32:17):
bodykicks are in the way of him throwing a tornado
of punches and rod Tang is a fighter who's an
expert at getting to where he wants to be. He
wants to get to the inside and throw combination punches,
and he will use head movement and Perry's to get
to that position, whereas Techkaru loves to use his face

(01:32:38):
to block punches and get in the positions that he
wants to be. So he's willing to take a flurry
of punches to land four or five punches of his own.
And man, this is why. And you guys know rod
Tang real well, you know this whirlwind of a puncher
against another flurry fighter. Oh oh, sign me up. This
is why we're here. This is why we do this sport.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
By the way, what kind of glove are they using?
And depending on what your answer is, does that influence?
Does that favor either fighter? Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:33:05):
No, that's a really good question here. So coming into
the fight, Tekkaru had said that I'm willing to fight
rod Tang in muy Thai. I'm willing to fight tech
Karu under any or sorry, I'm willing to fight rod
Tang under any rules that I simply do not care.
I want to fight rod Tang, and he's always made
it clear that that's his intention. So if they wanted
small gloves, they could have done small gloves if they
wanted to fight under Muay Thai rules, they could have.

(01:33:28):
For whatever reason, they chose to do it under K
one Kickboxing standard rules. So we will be in the
big gloves in this matchup. And honestly, I think that
favors probably Rod Tang a little bit because he does
cover up a lot more to defend himself against punches,
whereas Tekkaru is a guy who will just put his
hands down by his waist, wait for you to finish

(01:33:48):
your little combination, and then throw back in return. So
I actually think a lot of things in this matchup
favor Rod Tang, to be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
What's interesting is I heard Takaro say he like this
could be his last fight. I know he's only thirty three.
Does he have a lot of miles on him? How
would you compare the wear and tear on him to
the wear and tear on Rod Tang?

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:34:08):
Okay, So that's kind of the X factor for both
men in this fight. Because if you remember a few
years ago, tech Carou had fought the Phenom Tension, Nasakawa
lost to him. He relinquished his three K one titles,
and he said, all I want to do now is
fight rod Tang and then I'm pretty much done. He
went and won a title in Paris, then he took
the fight against Superlek and the other guy. Now he's

(01:34:30):
going to fight rod Tang, and I think this is
going to be it for him. I do think this
is his final fight, and I think the miles on
him are not just from fighting. When I compared him
to Chuck Lateel and Vonder le Silva, it's also because
of the way he trains. He is a guy who overtrains.
He is getting into full on Jim wars routinely, so
I think he's a guy who overtrains and it maybe

(01:34:52):
has a little bit more damage. And if you remember,
a good MMA comparison is Dan Henderson, where he was
a guy who had a full range of tools, but
then by the end of his career he was just
throwing the overhand, so rather than having all the setups
to the overhand, he just fell in love with that
one thing. And I feel like tech Caro was in
that same boat where he's not doing his step in

(01:35:14):
leg kicks as much as he used to to get
to the flurries. He's just going for the flurries. Now,
Rod Tang is not overtrained him coming in and has
the opposite problem where he actually hasn't been super active
in the gym for the last couple of years. He
got married and he's like, yeah, that's taken up all
my time. I have child on the way. He even
said in an interview for one of his past title
defenses that he only trained two days, Like that's it, like,

(01:35:37):
not two days before the fight, just two days overall.
So you've got one guy whose motivation for training is
iffy versus another guy who is way the fuck overtrained.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Who does one want to win?

Speaker 15 (01:35:54):
Matt Man, You know, one wants to win. They want
Rod Day. That is their golden goose. That and for
good reason. He's absolutely awesome, Like you put his highlights out,
is going viral consistently, He's gonna be punching himself in
the highlight reel one Championship. Absolutely wants Rod Tank to win.
And you notice some you know, maybe that's an off
air conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Never mind, what do you expect in terms of what
the fight will look like early and then down the stretch.

Speaker 15 (01:36:21):
Takara oddly enough. I think he likes to pretend that
he's a fast starter, so he runs right out of
his opponent, But he needs to get knocked down for
him to really get his head in the game. He
needs to get slapped up a little bit to get
things going. And that's an interesting fold of his career
consistently is that he hasn't been this world beater who
looks flawless and no one ever touches him all up,

(01:36:41):
you know, a Kane Velasquez or someone like that. He
actually struggles in almost every fight and then comes back.
So he's willing to take a few punches wake himself up,
and then in the later rounds, mid rounds two and three,
he's very very strong. So I think he's actually gonna
get dropped in round one. It's just a matter of
if he has willpower and stamina to come back. Now,

(01:37:03):
he's never lost by knockout in his career, but I mean,
rod Tang's a different beast, and there's a lot of
pressure going into this fight. This is the oldest he's
ever been, so I think it's going to be, you know,
an absolute banger here.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
In the case of what can though I saw to
Caeru say the winner of this is the best striker
in the world, and obviously that's a promotional kind of title,
but I guess I would ask, what can the winner
claim from this victory? Who are they after this contest?

Speaker 15 (01:37:35):
So okay, let's jump out of the promotional line here
a little bit. It's just essentially the second best fighter
in this weight class after Attensi Nasacala. Both guys have
lost attention Nasacala, and both of them have created incredible legacies.
Despite that, losing to a guy like that, there's no
shame in it. But yeah, this is fight is just
going to define their legacy. This is the biggest fight

(01:37:58):
for both fighters. This is going to be the most
important fight on their record when we look back in
ten years, this is the fight that we're still going
to be talking about. This is the fight that's still
going to be trending on YouTube ten years from now.
So this is just like that Chuck Ladell and vonder
Ley Silva fight. Maybe there wasn't a title on the line,
maybe both guys were at the end of their career,
but it's still one of those fights that we talk about.
Is a very very important milestone kind of fight.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
All right, as we wrap up, Tim, you're ready to
give me a prediction. What do you think is going
to happen? Who's going to get their hand raised? And
if you are being bold by what method?

Speaker 15 (01:38:29):
I am Man? I love Tekaro. He is like the coolest,
coolest guy in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
He's one of those.

Speaker 15 (01:38:33):
Guys who fell in love with kickboxing as a young
young man because of the golden age of Kwan and
like who didn't. But I can't look away from the
miles on them getting in Jim Moore's routinely him struggling
in his last few bouts. Honestly, if rod Tang has
trained for this fight, I have him winning this fight.

(01:38:54):
But that's just my prediction. Luke, what do you see
in it?

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
Chaos?

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
I am waiting for this one. I I you know
this is that we've talked about it off air, like
this is not necessarily our strong suit, which is why
we want to bring you in. But even I am
pretty hyph for this one. And it seems like the
martial arts world in general is pretty high for this one. Tim.
If folks want more of your work, where can they
get it? Man?

Speaker 15 (01:39:16):
I'm all over the place. I got an MMA show
at Low Kick MMA, and then I have a kickboxing
show kick Weekly with Tim Wheaton on the calf Kicksports Network.
Just look up Tim Wheaton, you'll find me. Lynks will
be down below or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Tim Wheaton, thanks for your time, appreciate it. There we
have it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Look, he's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
He's great.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Help me fired the hell up, because you know, our
fans told us that when Rod Tank fought super like
and when also Takiro fought super like, we missed it.
They're like, how are you guys not talking about that.
I'm glad we're getting in tune to where we should be.
And that just educated me a lot on what's going
to happen on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Yeah, it gives you. I mean, listen, of course there's
gonna be like more detailed breakdowns with the people who
really really want the hardcore stuff as it relates to kickboxing.
But Tim is gonna Tim was great, So shouts to Tim.
Go follow his work. He's awesome, and then we'll definitely
have him back be see because he is useful and
smart and fun. So shouts to him. And like I said,
if you can listen to that and not be interested
in the fight. I don't know if you have a

(01:40:16):
fucking pulse. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Well, let's look at a couple of things here. He
mentioned it could come down to how much rod Tang
is training. Let's watch this video of rod Tang chaining
his his chin for Takiu's power. Look, that's Siam's ill

(01:40:44):
advised dude.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
That's okay. I mean, he's gonna have insane cte, but
the fight's gonna bang. Let's just be honest about that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
All right. We've got a face off from them after
the press conference, so you can see what we're looking at.
That is Rod Tang on the left to Caeru on
the right. I love rod Tank's pants here, Luke, you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
Well, it's it's not the pants, it's what he's wearing
on top of it or whatever that is. It's like,
but yeah, dude, fucking fucking intense, crazy intense. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
They're Shatri overseeing that one right there. Well, shout out
to Shatri for putting this together. And Luke, Takaru did
fight super Like in January of twenty twenty four, and
he got a super leg injury in the five round
unanimous decision loss. Here's super like talking about the recovery
from that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:28):
He's a.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Kid.

Speaker 6 (01:41:31):
Got has you mean to tell me?

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
As ques to Google?

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Also, you can much set on this too. You stay
at yokucin Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Oh my god, look that videos got me fire. These
guys are savage superheroes.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
This is what I mean, Like, does one need to
be doing lesser MMA? If they can do stuff like this,
I don't think that they do to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
All right, that goes down Sunday Saitama super Arena And
a reminder, watch dot one FC dot com is where
you can purchase this global pay per view. A lot
of MMA, some names we know that we mentioned right there.
Very good stuff right there. All right, that wraps our
top five topics. Now we'll get into a pair of
brief fan segments. We put out the call of course

(01:42:44):
to Morning Combat at gmail dot com. Your pipeline to
show Mikey your pipe.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Yeah, only pipes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
All right. We start off with an opportunity here to
take the stand. Maybe we don't always say everything that's accurate.
Sometimes in fact we are dead.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Wrong then wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
We got one dead wrong this week. It's from Sadiq
and he says that one fifty four of Monday Show
March seventeenth, Luke referred to John Jones's haircut as quote
the Kimbo slice bit. But it's actually just an avatar
of the Last Airbender haircut. You uncultured swine, these fucking nerds.

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
Oh my god, guys, I understand it's an anime reference
by virtue of if you go back and look at
the picture, there's other things happening. I made a joke
because Kimbo slice also put one in his chest, as
did Brian eversall as like also a Kimbo slice bit.
I didn't think he was actually doing a Kimbo slice bit.
I just thought it was a joke to say it's

(01:43:51):
a Kimbo Get the fuck out of here with this shit. Wow,
the way called, by the way, by the way, Like,
is there some kind of concerted effort to ignore all
of the various errors you're made and only focused on
like I feel like the last like nine of these
have only focused on what I mean, which to say, fine,
I get somebody these wrong, but like they're they're purposely
not doing yours. I've noticed that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Look, I think I think I'm undefeated. Dude, I think
that's what's going on, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
They're trying to take me down a peg, which is fine,
come after me. I don't give a ship. But they're
definitely you're being you're the DEI fucking case here.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
They're not.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
They're you know, you're getting you're getting some special treatment here.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
You know who's getting some special treatment? Reggie J. Luke,
he's back, man.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
Yeah, let's see his butthole.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Okay, we don't we don't play that game in this house. Okay, Look,
we got one more fans segment for you. I'm surprised
Daz didn't mahallow our ass on that dead wrong and
and give these mmf ors right right, Luke, blast from
the past, That's what I'm talking about. Hey, we got
another segment called fan Submissions, where you send in your
artwork pictures of your wife in tight T shirts. Louke,

(01:44:55):
did you hear, by the way that I had the
Great saul A of Louisville I my live ramble on
Wednesday Live from the Ladder when he was cleaning gutters
in Louisville.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
MM.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Great, great stuff, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
It was epic.

Speaker 6 (01:45:09):
He's literally on the gutters live. It was fucking awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
Let's do it. This one's called fan submissions.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
You've got mail fures.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
The immortal voice of Gaffney Jim Pierre. Right there, let's
hear from Long Island Rob. He says, Hey, it's Long
Island Rob here. Happy Friday. This past Saturday, I had
another opportunity to coach and corner my longtime friend and
training partner Disco Danny Fox for his second amateur MMA match.
We worked on some things after our last match, even

(01:45:43):
though we didn't get to display a lot of it.
Why you ask, because Disco Dan won by TKKO twenty
seconds into the first round. He's carved out of stone
with devastating power in his hands and a killer ground game.
As BC says, he is coming on, let me know
what you think of his performance.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
All right, let's see. Wow, a little bit aggressive, but
that's that's oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Kind of looks like Jack Della from this.

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
I'll tell you something if you if you watch MMA
at this level, I'm telling you I've seen so many
fights like this. If you just overwhelm your opponent, if
you're like one and oh or two and oh, if
you just like take the fight immediately to them. They
typically don't have the ability to just resist. They just
they kind of just cover up because they don't you know,
they're obviously inexperienced fighters. You'll win eighty percent of the

(01:46:34):
time doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
What weight class do you think Disco Danny Fox.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Is at I don't know, forty five something like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
That, because I think for our second fight under MK Promotions, right,
our first one is uh Das versus Daz is gonna
bare knuckle telephon Key Papa at the Lava Shack. But
for our second one, can we get Christian Deguero against
Disco Danny Fox for MK Promotions? We you and I
each pick a corner, right, Oh thank god?

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
All right, I'd be fun of shit I do that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
No, seed, are you down with this Long Island Rob
character stealing everything.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
You work for?

Speaker 5 (01:47:06):
I was just gonna say, I'm I'm about to go
see Danny Fox fight live next time.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
He's fighting in Brentwood and rightswn the road.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Man. Hey shout out seriously to Long Island Rob Disco
Danny Fox. Congratulations on the wind. I don't know if
there's a future of you putting an MK patch on
your ball sack, but we gotta love a lot of
love for you to garrow all the crew here. We
love you, Thank you. Let's hear from the Rick Sanchez.
He has one photo surrounding me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
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You can give Brian a future, a future without the
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(01:47:55):
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Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Look, thank you for launching your substack to point out
this injustice in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
For a good cause. You know what I'm saying for
a good cause.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Congratulations once again on thanks, thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Everyone who subscribed. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
All right, great to hear right there. Thank you very
much the Rick Sanchez for that. Here's r J who
has a photo.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
So what's what's the implication here that he's saving our asses?

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Yes, that he is, you know, come up from the
earth to help carry the car from the dead.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Yeah, yeah, there's something to be said for that. Although
you also but you don't look this cool? Can I
tell you that's truth about that one?

Speaker 6 (01:48:55):
I mean, no one looks as cool as this.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
Yes, that's a fair point.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard you mentioned Edward for long
earlier on that one card. He was great in T two, right, Luke,
he was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Wow, Hey, let's hear from Jeff. He says, good afternoon, gents.
I believe the legend goes quote and with the herb
of hades, Luke stumbled into the land of latinas Cartahana
pronunciation for the avercultured BC Columbia, where he heard the
sirens echoing. Ola Papacito and his comrades watched helplessly until

(01:49:27):
they were taken hold by the siren call as well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
I mean, I feel like, if you're gonna have a weakness,
this is a pretty good one.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Yes, my weakness is wieners apparently, look of the edible kind,
and yours is Latino.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Well, there's many kinds of edible wieners BC.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
If you know what I'm saying, I don't get down
with that kind necessarily. That is hilarious. Thank you very
much for your contribution, Jeff. Do we have one more
in Long Island? Lucre is at an empty spot.

Speaker 6 (01:49:54):
That's it, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
That is it Morning Combat at gmail dot com and
Luke real there it is right there. Get you can
get your fan subs, dead wrongs, reach out to the show, complain, critique,
whatever you got for us. We'll take it. Thank you, Luke.
Of course I'll be getting on a plane in minutes.
I will be Saturday Night on the Call, Prime Video,
no pay per view, Prime Video, eight pm Eastern, a

(01:50:17):
triple header from PBC with the Yeah, thank you very much, Moro, Ronalo, Abnermars, Jordan,
Plant Myself. Main event. Sebastian Fundora, first fight since that
bloody war against Tim Zu last year where he became
a unified champion at one hundred and fifty four pounds.
He'll welcome Stanford, Connecticut's own Cordale Booker. Now, Fondora a

(01:50:38):
big time betting favorite here, a lot of potential big
matchups for him in the future. But I don't count
out Booker here because you know Fondora, Luke, he'll give
away his height, He'll he'll bend over and he'll just
brawl with you. So this should be an interesting test.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
Yeah, he's a million feet tall and fights like he's
abdu Rosick. I mean, I just can't believe it. So
enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
Indeed right there, So, uh, that should be interesting. The
triple header also give us the return of Jesus Ramos
Junior in the Cole main event, so could he be
a future opponent. Look, if Fondora gets by this test,
and he is a minus fourteen hundred betting favorite according
to DraftKings against the plus seven to fifty Booker, is
there a one fifty four you want to see him

(01:51:23):
against most?

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
I mean, wasn't he supposed to fight Spence?

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Yeah? I still want that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
Yeah, I would say that one. By the way, I
also saw that PBC or I'm not sure if it's
a PBC event. But Tim Zuo's fighting Joey Spencer in Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Yes, that's that is Saturday, April fifth. It's April. I
like that fight now under and that will be on
Prime video regular Prime videos.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
I like that fight. I think that's I like that
fight a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
And then if he wins, they're already talking about doing
Tim Zuo Keith Thurman in July, so that could be interesting.
Thurman though, is saying, look, I'll fight anybody. Give me Charlo,
give me Fundora, give me Spence, give me whatever. So wow, okay,
there it is also does this Weekend from Sydney. George
Cambosis is moving up to one point and he's taken
on a late replacement. The belief is that he would

(01:52:06):
then fight Richardson Hitchins for a title if that goes down, Luke,
I don't think you care.

Speaker 14 (01:52:11):
About that though.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
Thank you very much. That is the show that we
have for today, So Luke anything. Tim Wheaton was a
fantastic guest. We certainly hope to see more of him
Low Kick MMA and other places. You can follow us
right there below our YouTube channels. Dude, I'm going to
have an interview next week with Edgar Berlanga that I've
filmed last night. That is is Yeah, he gets loose

(01:52:34):
and turn four. He wants all the smoke and all
the money, Luke. So it's going to be interesting to see.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
All right, well, I look forward to that and like
I mentioned, UFC London, watch a long post fight show
live on my YouTube tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Either all right, main card minute? What time we go
on live tomorrow?

Speaker 6 (01:52:50):
I'm doing the full card tomorrow one pm.

Speaker 5 (01:52:52):
You could join me for the prelims, join Luke for
the main card if you want, or join me for both.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
You know, yeah, bond there it is, whoop there it is.
Thank you so much for it to all of you
for coming in an hour early to facilitate my travel schedules,
staff and viewers included. Have a great weekend, take care
of yourselves, enjoy the fights. Don't forget to Caro O
versus Rod Tang on Sunday. Should be fun. We'll be
back in the studio Monday, Manhattan Metal Lark to break

(01:53:16):
it all down for Long Island, Luke, Luke Thomas. This
is Brian Campbell. Take care of yourselves, folks. Thanks for watching.
We'll see you next time.

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