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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Reveale.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at this now, timpted.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Jesus, oh.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Us, it's time.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
To bad.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh Yeah. The UFC has a new broadcasting home for
the next seven years, and Morning Combat is here to
break it down. Monday, August eleventh, twenty twenty five. Welcome
on in. I am the freshly dyed hair of Brian Gampbelly.
Here I just got younger.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Next to me is gray and old balls Luke Thomas,
and we are here for a fantastic Monday Morning show,
remote but still on fire and in your absolute face
hoole as Morning Combat brings it to a welcome on man,
Luke Thomas. Certainly massive breaking news that we're gonna get
to in full detail in a few seconds. But how

(01:18):
the heck are you outside of that? You had a
weekend away with the fam. He got a little tan, little.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Tan, Yeah, I got a little tan. I had a dude.
I know, we were texting about it the other day.
You know, sometimes you have vacations and they go great
and sometimes they don't go well, and it can be
a mix this year, man, because I didn't take much
of a vacation last year. Well that's not quite true,
but I didn't spend my family took one vacation without
me because that was the same weekend that we had

(01:43):
UFC three hundred in Garcia Haney, he remember that. So
I didn't get to spend a lot of time with
him when I wanted to, and this time I did
and it was amazing. I do want to say one
more thing too, man, Tuki is six now, and you
know when she it's gonna sound a little weird, right,
but like, I didn't know how to play with kids
when I had her, because I never had kids prior

(02:03):
and never had like cousins that I played with all
that much. And you know, I didn't know what it
meant to have fun with your kid out on the
kids terms all that. Well, well now I do and
it is, dude, it's joy beyond joy. It is the
best thing ever. So I had a great time.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Hey, I love when your heart is joyful. Luke, It's
always good to be a kid again. It's always good.
By the way, as well, to support this show by
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(03:28):
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Speaker 1 (03:30):
Is four, it's for the show us.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Let's say high quickly to
the third member of our team, a producer, a director,
the son of an Australian. He's a podcaster as well.
In the main card minute, mister Luke Long Island, no Sita.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
What's up Boys Yo. Mystery bet hit again this weekend.
Anthony Fluffy, Hernandez buy sub over three and a half
rounds plus eight hundred. This is the fourth time in
a month that the mystery bet has hit during the streams.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Has that ever happened before?

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Yeah, dude, it's fourteen and seventy five lifetime.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
I've placed almost ninety mystery bets and it's up like
twenty five.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Units because the ones that hit are so juicy, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Called it a sub. I called it a mad alright,
Up with Buffy, Down with Georgia there. Wow, what a
main event on Saturday that, of course we are going
to get into in a big way. Big fans of
you guys, Thank you for prioritizing to be here with
us on MK LG. What else did I want to
say this morning? Anything else?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I don't know. You definitely did get younger with the
hair dye job, you know what I mean? I mean,
how much younger could I get? Five years?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
A lot, a lot, especially if you do it right.
So I usually put the just for men in for
like ten minutes and it doesn't do much. My wife's like, no,
you gotta go thirty and look look at the difference.
I mean, it's been sitting on my counter for about
two months, but I finally had a reason, like hoopasteak
to turn this around, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
By the way, on the drive to the beach, we
put on Spotify nineties hits nineties Brother, a lot of
se Than Mary three, a lot of gym blossoms. Brother,
we were rocking out like some honkys.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Uh yeah, very cumbersome of you, Luke. I like homebers
home to have that. There we go, all right, I
know I had something else that I know what it is, folks.
No Friday episode this week, but this Thursday, live eleven
am Eastern from Meadow Larks Studios in Manhattan and live

(05:27):
on on YouTube of course, Morning Combat Presents UFC three
nineteen pregame preview. Yeah, real talk like men do as
we get you ready for DDP versus Hamza and the
Top to Bottom pay per view from Chicago. It's LT,
It's BC the l I l behind the window. But
Luke Thomas, we have a celebrity third man coming in

(05:49):
for the show. Who we got? Who we got? We got?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
We got UFC hammer Matt Ravola. By the way, former
guest on on our Room Service Diary series, and we
brought him back because we needed someone who could deliver
the boom. And we feel like also, I mean, here's
a reality You got to book a fighter, right who
can have a little bit of fun. And I feel

(06:13):
like he, you know, he connects all those dots for us, right.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
He does connect all those dots for us. So you
said he brings the boom just like Big Justice in
aj Okay. But he's also a new father who represents
long out. I think, look, does he live in your
damn town? Can't you just pick him up on the
way in.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I was gonna say that's the reason we got him
because my car's broken down. I need a ride to
the studio.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
That shout out to Fravola. He did survive that fight
against BSD. It was vicious, Luke. I won't bring that
up on Thursday or maybe a few times, you never know.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, it was very vicious. But you know what, he's
also delivered some knockouts himself, so we got to you know, very.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
True, he's a game fighter.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
All right.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
We got five topics for you. We got have you
seen this shit? And your DM is still the calm
but breaking news right off the top. Do we have
any jingle or song to hit that up with? Just
into the MK newsroom, Hey guys, seriously, twenty twenty six,

(07:10):
the new broadcasting deal for UFC is a record breaking
massive one. UFC signs an exclusive deal with Paramount to
air thirteen premium live events don't call them pay per
views and thirty fight night cards live on Paramount plus
with the potential future of some live streaming on CBS

(07:34):
as well. And when you want to talk about money,
how long did say we are looking for one billion
dollars per year. They're going to get a little more
of that, as this seven year deal will cost upwards
of seven point seven billion dollars. A massive deal now.
This also brings to the end, for the first time
since UFC launched in nineteen ninety three, the idea of

(07:57):
pay for play pay per view, as in this deal. Well,
Paramount also reported they will not raise the prices on
their streaming service. I think it's twelve ninety nine or
eight ninety nine with ads, you get everything. The UFC
is offering no Netflix, no ESPN, and this, certainly on
this Monday morning, was a monster surprise in terms of

(08:19):
breaking news Luke Thomas, First and foremost, what does this
mean to the sport, to the fans, to the fighters,
to everything following such a surprise curveball in the UFC
rights negotiation.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, we have to unpack those piece by piece because
I don't think they mean the same thing for every entity.
But let's just start with who we are as fans.
And I don't know how getting rid of pay per
view and putting everything under I mean, everything's kind of
already under one umbrella, but the basic idea is everything
under one umbrella and getting rid of pay per view.

(08:53):
I mean, the pay per view is how the UFC
was birthed, sure in nineteen ninety three, it is how
it has made If you grew up in the you know,
pre and certainly the post Ultimate Fighter era, pay per
view was everything. It was the dominant way in which
they made money. It certainly is the numbered events are
still more key events. Obviously that hasn't changed necessarily, but
it's been the lynchpin of that business for basically as

(09:18):
long as it's been around, perhaps up until recently, but
the costs have obviously been a lot, and as we know,
UFC is not the only combat sports game in town.
Boxing is in pay per view, BUKFC is in pay
per view, and all the different you know, misfits, boxing
and everything else, all these different things are for the
most part, in one way or the other, often behind
pay per view, not exclusively, but often, and it just

(09:39):
becomes overwhelming. And piracy has become itself as a consequence overwhelming.
It was always a problem, but I think now it's
been now a different level. See, we have this fresh quote.
This came to us, by the way from TKO Chief
operating Officer Mark Shapiro.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
The pay per view model is a thing of the past,
he writes, what's on pay per view anymore? Boxing movies
on DirecTV. It's an outdated, antiquated model. So it was
paramount to us forgive the pun where it's one stop shopping,
especially for our younger fans and flyover States when they're
nice to call it flyover States when they find out, Wait,
if I just sign up for Paramount plus for twelve

(10:16):
ninety nine a month, I'm going to automatically get UFC's
numbered fights and the rest of the portfolio. That's a
message we want to amplify. It's a on this level alone.
BC on this level alone, the end of pay per
view is a monster w for I think the fans
and I kept paying pay per view. I know a

(10:37):
lot of folks didn't. There was one time I certainly
had to pirate when the UFC three oh one was
a mess behind ESPN Plus's paywall. I'm sure everyone on
some level has pirated now and again, which speaks to
that point. But not having to pay extra beyond what
you had to pay for ESPN Plus, because remember you
had to pay that subscription fee plus what it cost
on that end to do it now. I do have

(10:58):
a question about that though, b which is obviously paramount
and CBS are a bigger company than dizone. To Zone
is a you know, a minor entity relative to that.
But I do recall to Zone getting into the market
saying we're done with pay per view, that's it, and
then you know, a year or two passes and you've
got to pay for a pay per view even on

(11:19):
top of what you get for to Zone. Could there
be a world b C where they realize, uh oh,
this doesn't make a lot of sense because, as our
intrepid producer pointed out, this deal is worth seven point
seven billion. As it stands today, Paramount's market cap is
six point six billion, so the deal is worth more
than the company itself. Now, of course you're saying, well, yeah,

(11:40):
they're making a bet that they'll make on theekend, you know,
through the life of this deal, then they will you know,
paying essentially upfront for it. Yeah. Fine, I'm sure that's
the gamble that they're making. But if you just do
the math, and again, not all events are created equal,
they're getting basically twenty five million in event. That's the

(12:01):
average twenty five million in event. Are you gonna make
all that back on viewers and sponsorship and what you
sell on CBS and linear or on on digital ads? Again,
I don't know the answer to that. It's huge, But
that's Paramounts problem to figure out. That's the executives on
the on the consumer side. Massive w no doubt.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
And look, this is a major splash for David Ellison
of Skydance, fresh off of the merger, to acquire Paramount
from the Red Stones. In this, like you said, is
really I mean, in a lot of ways, it's about
putting Paramount plus in a huge way on the map
in the streaming wars, and they're certainly gonna raise that,
raise the h you know, the image of that, the
reputation of that in such a big way of this,

(12:43):
and you just look at it as the ESPN deal,
which will end at the end of this calendar year
that was five years, one point five billion. This is
seven years, seven point seven billion, so to be one
point one billion per year now as it stands right now,
this is just United States that this covers for UFC
event or maybe North America. I'm not officially sure. But

(13:05):
one thing that was interesting in the CNBC story that
was part of the breaking news of this is that
Paramount is interested in buying UFC's international rights to pair
with the US rights. The company said in a statement.
Paramount will have a thirty day exclusive negotiating window for
each country's rights when they're up for renewal, which is
something Mark Shapiro said in the CNBC story. So that's

(13:29):
showing you that Paramount is not just in for a
little bit. They're all in. And Luke, you know, we
got to give credit to people, as you did on Twitter,
like the MMA draw Kidney over there, Zach Arnold. They
were ahead of the game and saying that Paramount was
in these negotiations when everybody else was. But I think
a lot of us thought it would be a portion
of the deal, or maybe they're using one company to

(13:50):
raise the price. Dude, this was fairly shocking to wake
up to on this Monday morning as a CBS Paramount
employee to see that they've got the full boat moving forward.
So I think I said it earlier. It's thirteen pls,
it's thirty fight nights. No word yet on where Dana
White's Contender series is going to go on, where Zuofa

(14:11):
Boxing is going to go. Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated
did report, according to a source in TKO, that those
are going to be separate deals that they're still looking
to make moving forward. But for the UFC, for TKO,
for Paramount, even this is so massive, This is so
record breaking, Luke, do you think that we really have

(14:31):
a chance of elevating the sport with this deal? And
I say that cautiously because the UFC being on ESPN
was massive for exposure, having Sports Center lead with it,
having the desk on the ground out there. But now
you're eliminating pay per view, which I really do think
is the biggest aspect of this news, along with the
selling number of the price that it took to get there.

(14:53):
But do you see this as being a potential bridge
to the casual fans to really push the UFC brand
in the sport moving forward.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, I don't know about that. I mean, that's a
little harder for me to say. I mean, okay, so
it's a great I actually think that's one of the
more important questions. It's like people like, oh, you know,
and we'll talk about the fighter pay component, because I
do think that's a big one, right If for no
other reason, then they just can't literally do it the
way that they used to do it, right, they're not.
There's no more pay per viewpoints unless they tie it
to ratings. But separate conversation, how big is it to

(15:25):
be on CBS? Obviously a very big deal. I mean, dude,
CBS has had a really interesting history with MMA, then
the Strikeforce Nashville Brawl took place on CBS, and now
they're in the one point one annually million dollars billion
dollar business, I should say, with the Ultimate Fighting Championship.
It's a big network. But that's only for as I

(15:47):
understand it, let me pull up the press RELEASEBC because
I read this earlier and I was like, am I
imagining this? I don't know that I am. Here's what
it says on the press release. Starting in twenty twenty six,
Paramount will exclusively distribute UFC's full slate of thirteen marquee
numbered events and thirty fight nights via is direct to
consumer streaming platform Paaramount Plus, with select numbered events to

(16:08):
be simulcast on CBS. They're not even saying all the
numbered events are going on CBS PC. They're saying some
of the numbered events, Yep, can you really beat ESPN's
mainstream casual fan exposure on Paramount You can definitely do

(16:30):
it on CBS. Yes, can you do it on Paramount Plus?
I don't think the answer to that is yes. And
they're saying that some of the numbered events that what
we now commonly understand is pay per view are going
to be aired there. So I don't like. It seems
to me that the big play here is Paramount wants
Paramount Plus to be bigger than it is. You can
get some NFL games on there. I watch, I already

(16:51):
have a subscription. I already watch Champions League on there.
They're trying to get something that is seasonal or sorry,
I should say not seasonal, it's year round, and which
you know, UFC fans are very very loyal to UFC
at least historically speaking. They're trying to raise the profile.
But are you going to a place if you're a
UFC that already has a bigger profile. Well, for CBS, sure,

(17:16):
I can buy that. For everything else, I don't think
the answer today right now is yes. Let's see if
they can grow the pie to maybe change that equation.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Dana White will be on CBS Sports HQ by the way,
today at three pm Eastern time to talk about that.
More crazy because so many of us thought that Netflix
was going to be a big part of this deal,
that they were going to continue their recent trend of
major big boxing events and not signing an exclusive deal
with a promoter, but being in a situation to potentially
do six to eight UFC pay per views. I hope

(17:47):
for what you just said that CBS will end up
simulcasting you know, a few of these really big shows
to help that push across there. But look, this is
very interesting for tkos continued really take over of the
sports business. You know, media and broadcasting rights environment here,
because if you're a WWE fan, you previously paid a

(18:10):
subscription for the WWE network to get everything. Then that
moved to Peacock, and if you subscribe to Peacock, you
got all the pay per views or ples. What have you? Now?
The ww and TKO just signed that massive deal with
ESPN where you now have to pay. You have to
pay the ESPN Plus subscription and then additionally you have
to pay for pay per views. Basically, it's like a

(18:30):
reverse of where the model was for the last eleven years,
and now you've got UFC flipping that around completely. So definitely,
MMA fans are going to win big hair because you
have to believe that paramount could have could have jacked
up their subscription price and maybe over time it will
grow like ESPN Plus did. But first and foremost, Luke,
I got to get your reaction to not needing ESPN

(18:52):
Plus anymore after you feuded with that streaming service for years,
and I do want to get your reaction at Netflix
at Netflix not being a part of this.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well. I mean I was sitting here puffing my chest
down on Twitter being like I can't wait to cancel
my subscription, But then I thought about it, I'm not
so sure that I can right away. Let's talk about that.
First of all, we don't know where road to UFC.
Not that I watch The Ultimate Fighter, but I'm curious
to see where it ends up. But certainly one thing
that would be of interest to me is Contender series.
So just those three alone, like do they go to

(19:21):
Fight Pass, are they also gonna be on paramount for
an additional amount of money or are they just gonna
throw in with a deal later or are those properties
staying on ESPN. Plus I don't know the answer to that.
More to the point, BC, what about PFL here, Now,
if you're PFL, you got a question you gotta ask yourself,
is it better that UFC is gone? Because you could

(19:44):
say to yourself, well, now we are the only MMA
game in town, and you know we're gonna be obviously
much less costly than the UFC, and maybe there's a
deliverable there that they like. On the other hand, if
you're ESPN and you're out of the UFC business, why
do you want to stay in the MMA business? So
like there's a real question there about what's going to happen.

(20:05):
Plus Chris Mannix reported earlier today that this has nothing
to do with the TKO Boxing deal. So if you're TKO,
you already have starting in I guess twenty twenty six,
as you indicated, WWE going over there, right, maybe Contender
Series and some other properties stay over there, and it's
possible that TKO Boxing or I'm sorry, ZUFA Boxing ends

(20:29):
up back over there, in which case I don't know
that you can readily just get rid of it right away.
I think there's a question for it. But BC, if
I don't have to pay eighty freaking dollars every month,
you know, it makes it a lot more tolerable long term.
Even if I recognize that the ESPN Plus service sucks

(20:49):
the backside of my balls. You know what I'm saying,
you're your pay lotos.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah. What do you make of Netflix not not jumping
in after looking like they were going to be the
premier carrier of the biggest.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I don't know what to make of that. I think
we need some additional reporting, Like it was weird that
they were everything. Everyone who was talking to people on
the inside of the story was like, Okay, it's gonna
be some ESPN Netflix arrangement. I think we even said
that on Friday Show. That seems like that's the closest arrangement.
We had known from the MMA draws reporting in some
other places that that, you know, Paramount was an outside player,

(21:29):
but we didn't know, like you know, that that the
equation had changed so substantially. I don't know what it
says about Netflix BC. I mean, they're still in the
WWE business, right, and they're gonna be, I guess for
a little while longer on some level the Jake Paul business.
So it's not like they're out of combat sports.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well, they're in the raw business in the US, and
then Netflix has the full ww package internationally.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Internationally Okay, fair enough, But I guess I guess what
I would say to that is it's hard for me
to not know that they had this momentum for a
deal they were building, and that it all got blown
up with some kind of turkey getting sideways with the
female ne Netflix executive and then nothing was really ever

(22:16):
the same after that exactly. So I don't know. I mean,
never look, who knows could Contender series end up on there.
I seriously doubt it. I think they're looking for more
more QUI stuff. But it's just funny, dude, Like they
you think it's good, dude, Never forget, Never forget. Before
the UFC signed with Fox, Dana White put out a

(22:38):
video on the UFC's YouTube channel saying, folks, remember this,
I remember this very distinctly, saying that the UFC was
gonna sign a deal with ESPN and it was going
to change the face of the future of MMA forever.
And then they didn't sign one. They actually went instead
and signed with Fox Sports. Like there's always these last minute,
you know, direction changes that can come out of nowhere

(22:58):
besides man like, based on what the numbers we were
hearing one point one billion versus what I was hearing
and reading was, you know, sevent to eight hundred million
annually for the what they were looking at between all
the different properties for ESPN. I mean, dude, it's a
no brain. I mean, how do you turn dude? How
do you turn down one point one billion dollars annually.

(23:20):
That's such an enormous sum of money that you don't
have to share with the fighters, Like, how do you
how do you turn that down? It's just SU's game
changing amount of money.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, no word yet on what this means for
the fighters, but loss of pay per viewpoints pay is
probably stagnant moving forward, right.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, I mean, let's talk about the pay component, because
I don't know what to say here. I think that
two things I would say. First, if you're a UFC
entrant or you know, you make fifty to you know,
two hundred k ish somewhere in there for a fight,
I don't think this deal affects the way you get
paid at all. Right. I mean again, we'll have to

(24:01):
see long term, I don't know, but right away nothing
strikes me. The question that is more interesting to me
is the high end. I think that's where I'm like,
what does this mean? Now? Someone might noticeably say, well,
weren't pay per view buys so down that A the
UFC just got rid of them, and B it wasn't
so for folk who don't know how pay per viewpoints works,

(24:23):
they can change this up per deal. But let me
give you an example of how it works. It's a ladder, okay,
So any buys that. Let's say Iliot Taporia fights on
pay per view, and I'm gonna make something up BC
sells a million pay per view buys. How does that work. Well,
he gets a certain dollar amount from zero to two
hundred k buys, and then he gets a higher amount

(24:43):
from let's say two to three hundred, and then an
even higher amount four, three to five, and then usually
after that or certainly after seven or eight hundred, it
just becomes I think, like a flat fee, not flat fee.
But you know, the number doesn't keep going up at
that point, it gets to a certain level, and so
it's an escalating tier. And so where you fit in
that tier is how you get paid. Now, as I indicated,
the pay perview buys have apparently been so low that

(25:05):
many fighters weren't even getting the you know, the next
tier up triggered in their deal. And so in a
case like that, what you know, how does this change?
What does this change mean? The answer is maybe nothing,
but they're gonna have to calculate it differently, right you see,
like they're at least going to have to figure out
a new formula for how that goes. And I don't

(25:27):
know the answer to that. And by the way, I
want to be clear, like they're signing this deal, you know,
this is the second part about it. I mean, if
you're an NBA player and the NBA signs a one
point one billion dollar deal, the players are going to
get upfront forty nine percent of that. They're going to
get forty nine percent of that upfront. The UFC fighters
are going to get nothing, write, nothing, not, not a penny.

(25:49):
And you know, this is where I go back to,
I don't know what the right answer is to preserve
all of the interests of fighters. Is it the ALI Act,
is it unionization? I don't know. And even if they
had formed a union b C, it's not clear that
they would be able to extract forty nine percent, you know,
rent from them. But what I will say is, even
if it was twenty five percent, you know, let's just

(26:12):
say so that's conservatively what closer to three hundred million
annually that would be distributed to the fighters. That would
be a game changing amount of money. And they don't
get that because they couldn't even be bothered to do that.
So this is the fruits of their lack of labor.
They get to enjoy an absolute nothing burger on a

(26:33):
seven point seven billion dollar deal. Congratulations, Fellas, you really
I'll dig yourself with that one.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, yeah, shout out to Heinauro Moiicano or as Shah,
we'll call them Mcano for giving back the cash that
was rightfully his. Wow wow wow. Final question on this, Luke,
and then we'll get into our rundown and all things fluffy.
Shout out to Anthony Hernandez by the way. Wow uh.
Kicking off if we assume that this deal will start

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in January, and they tend to go big in their intro. Obviously,
the first UFC on Fox card, which was head to
head against Pacquiol Marquez three on pay per view in
boxing gave us the heavyweight championship came Velaskas versus Junior
Do Santo's Part one. I don't remember offhand what the
first UFC on ESPN card was, wasn't it t J.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Dillis was the one in Brooklyn? TJ. Dela Shaw, Henry Sahudo. Okay,
it was at ESPN Plus technically.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
So wait, wasn't that a pay per view? And then
the first on ESPN linear was Kane versus Francis.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yes, but the first one of the ESPN era. I
was at that card. It was at the Barclay Center.
I was there.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So those are very big events if you had to
knowing the UFC schedule of who might be available or
maybe who you think they would like to really launch
this with. Who would make sense to kick this off.
Connor's back in the pool. John's back in the pool.
We try not to talk about those guys too much anymore.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, by the way, I mean, just think about it. Logically,
that white House event is going to be on CBS, right,
has to be if.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
They have it. I mean, is I still don't know
if that was like part of a negotiation ploy, you
know what I mean, Like, but.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
You know, all right, well, to the extent that they
have it, it'll be, it'll be on pay per view.
But uh, it's it's the same question like with the
white House thing, Like you know, it's a little early
to tell. I mean, I guess we're not too far
from January. I don't know. It'll be a title fight.
I'll say this, say what.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Do put it on jan six? Is what I'm saying.
All right, let's just go for it. Let's go on, No, no,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
It will be a title fight, like, it will be
a title fight. I don't know which one it'll be,
but it'll be a title fight.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I think you should get to Poria. But then again,
he's got to get a second fight at the end
of this year.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right, Yeah, well, I mean that's right. I mean they
might use him for a December pay per view or like,
you know, how do they or to that point, who
do they save for that next end deal? And then
they punt on at the end of this one. It's
gonna be really interesting to see. I don't I don't
know the answer to that. It's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, this is this is huge, dude. I don't know
what this even means for me. It could be huge.
I told you nothing, No, dude, no one knew that. Okay, No,
we did hear whispers that again, we heard whispers internally
that it was possible that our company could be part
of the extended deal. No idea that it would be exclusive,
that it would be for this much money, that there

(29:20):
would be a CBS simulcast option built in, Like, dude,
for me as a CBS Sports and Paramount employee, this
is massive. This is really really big.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Let me say this again, for this is I'm just
reacting live, so forgive me TKO COO again. Mark Shapiro,
the chief operating Officer told CNBC this morning that the
deal with Paramount was originally BC just for the thirty
fight Night events. Okay, then the sky Skydance excuse me,
the Skydance Paramount merger was approved and they struck a

(29:50):
new deal within forty eight hours to bring everything to
Paramount Plus, including the end of the pay per view model.
So part of the this is why, I mean, you know,
I'll speculator here we see, and that's all I'm doing
is speculating. I don't know what the answer is, but
I do wonder to what extent you know, this FCC
allowing the merger between Skuyddance in Paramount A it allowed

(30:12):
Paramount to have a lot more cash, right, and then
that changes the equation about what they want to do.
Because I want to be clear about this. Folks have
asked like, hey, didn't they say when they got rid
of you that they were out of the combat sports business.
And they were like, you can ask the producers on
staff who were Showtime they had a big call and
they were like, we're just out of the combat sports business.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yea, boxing had to die for this, Luke.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Unfortunately, Showtime boxing had to die, and so you know,
I'll say this though, if you're getting into business in
combat sports and you're a broadcaster, right, you're a broadcast
entity getting the UFC rights package as opposed to a
hodgepotch of different boxing podcasts, podcasts, I'm sorry, boxing events

(30:55):
and and you know, you know, operators in the space.
It just makes a ton of sense, right. You get
the whole thing streamlined right there boom, easy to use,
and obviously, as we indicated, UFC fans are going to be,
for the most part, pretty loyal about where they go.
I would also add BC, you know, it's hard to
not notice that like UFC got rid of pay per
view and it's gonna be on linear television at the

(31:18):
same time, Top Rank couldn't even secure an eighty million
dollar renewal on ESPN. You know, there's no denying that.
If you're not in favor of the Boxing Revival Act
for what it might mean for you know, boxing monopolization,
I think that's fine. I am. However, there's no defending

(31:39):
the status quo. Yeah, you just can't do it.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean, you're right, I'm coming around. I'm coming around
only on the idea that, like we tend to ignore
how broken boxing actually is and focus on, you know,
as a hardcore boxing guide and focus on the big things. Yet,
guess what, WBA just had a card into Zone over
the weekend from Benghazi, Libya, in which they gave out
even more extra bullshit titles, and it's like, this is

(32:06):
the shit we regularly deal with. By the way, they
he would have an announced team on that card. They
just streamed like the live event from an outdoor stadium.
I mean, it's it's insane, it's wild. But we'll see
where it's all gonna happen. Obviously, ESPN is gonna have
a lot more money now if they want to go
big in combat whether that's boxing, whether that's zoofa boxing,
whether that's doubling down a PFL. So a lot, a

(32:26):
lot of fallout because, as you already know, Luke, everybody
in combat sports, every promoter and network was waiting for
the results of the UFC broadcasting deal to then figure
out where they fit in in a larger landscape. So big,
big news. All right, let's carry on with our regularly
scheduled program and that's certainly topic number one. UFC Fight

(32:47):
Night from the Apex Warehouse over the weekend gave us
a very interesting result. In this main event, Anthony Fluffy
Hernandez scored the best win of his career, maybe more
importantly consecutive win, maybe more importantly than that, in a
fight where he was finally healthy, unlike his last bout,

(33:07):
in a rematch against Brendan Allen, where he did, in
his own words, just enough to get the job done
while ill. He brutally bullied, beat down, gassed out, and
then stopped Roman Delidze in round four via rare naked
choke and as disrespectful and brutal a process, not disrespectful

(33:29):
in terms of taunting, just in terms of impact and
how he did it, constantly taking Deleds down, letting him
get back up, and just brutalizing him with big right
hands and even more takedowns. Luke we owe Fluffy an
apology in terms of where our expectations were, even though
he was the betting favorite. I don't think any of
us saw this coming. Just how impressive was this victory,

(33:51):
and considering it's a crowded title picture with the belt
being defended this Saturday, with Reneer de Ritter needing a
big fight, and oh how about Kyle Barrall Hall against
maybe the most deserving contender, nasserdine Imovov Bohalio. I'm sorry, uh,
how impressive is this? And could you actually see him
cutting the line after this when he did the discount

(34:14):
double check in the ring.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I gotta tell you, we had both predicted that Fluffy
would win, so we were not on the wrong side
of this one. But I definitely predicted they would go
the distance. I did not think he was going to
get the finish, and I still have some issues with
the performance. I want to be very clear about that. However,
what I will say is this is easily the best
he's ever performed that I've seen. You can find fights

(34:39):
that he won more quickly than this one PC. So
you know, folks all was like, oh, well, this one
was a little bit more dominant, right, But here's the
difference for me. Number One, he got the finish and
the finish itself BC Oh my god, it he looked
like a bouncer dragging a drunk out of the bar.
And that's not who I'm not trying to demean delize.

(35:00):
I'm trying to like paint a picture of the viciousness
with which he closed the show. There that's the first
thing I'd say. But more to the point, BC, this
was what I really noticed. I had mentioned that at
times Fluffy can be a bit of a slow starter,
or you know, he doesn't really get cooking until a
little bit later in the fight. Dude, he was up
in Delieds's grill from the opening bell whoop, right across

(35:25):
in front of him, walked over there, and then of
course there were times where Delize would land and I shot,
or you know, would attempt something and it would push
Fluffy back, but then he'd get right back and close
the space. There was an urgency to his game that
I hadn't quite seen to the same level before, and
there was a cohesiveness to his game. It felt to me, BC,

(35:47):
maybe you disagree, maybe you agree that his game had
kind of gelled a little bit. Now. There were parts
I did not like. As I indicated, he missed on
the one two to close the show or to close
the distance basically every single time. Like his range man
was a little bit off in that regard. But but
the presence of mind, the forcefulness of it, the relentlessness

(36:08):
of it, and the urgency right off the top made
such a big difference honestly, BC, I think it would
be unfair for him to jump the line if let's
say Imovov beats Kyle Bihalio. I do think that'd be
a little bit premature. However, I wouldn't cry about it.
I really wouldn't. He's doing special things. He's the middleweight morob.

(36:31):
I saw someone say he's like a middleweight Sean Brady. No,
he's not. Sean Brady's got much more technical finishing jiu
jitsu in top pressure. That's really not quite accurate. But BC,
from his front headlocks, to his cradles, to his snapdowns
to everything else, Fluffy is a tremendous talent and his
guillotines some of the best in the UFC.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Dude, he fall like a demon, and I think that
was a big part of it. Wasn't just jumping all
over to leeds. It was visibly showing a lack of
respect for what Delidze brought. Even when Delize would at
times fight for survival encounter, Fluffy just took it. He
put his hands down, he'd takes some shots almost my
argust style to send a message. It's insane, and I
do have to say one thing, Maybe we wrongfully categorize

(37:12):
Fluffy as not being a finisher when we previewed this fight,
because that was the feeling we got when that performance
against Brendan Allen in the rematch where he won. He
pulled it off, but we felt like maybe there was
something lacking of an extra gear. We found out he
was really ill, and then some people pointed out to me,
actually look at his finishing statistics, which makes me not

(37:32):
want to compare him to Morob Right now, if Fluffy
Hernandez as a pro has fifteen victories, twelve have been
by stopage, So Luke, I need to take that back.
The man is an active finisher. He just doesn't do
it with a big knockout punch or with a well
timed early submission. He beats you into submission ultimately, is
where I'm going, because there was a lot of playing

(37:53):
with your food here, even though I did like the
analysis from Dominic Cruz about why there were times he
wasn't putting in the hooks, why there were times he
was just purposely gassing Roman out and just almost embarrassing him. Dude,
this was just so there was so much like oomph
behind it, so much like mean spiritedness, and again not

(38:15):
from a taunting standpoint, just from I'm gonna show you
that you don't belong in here next to me. I mean,
look at best Roman Dealedze, who was ranked number nine
coming in was sort of a dark horse title contender.
Right three fight wins straight, but he is further in age.
But dude, that guy's durable as shit. And it wasn't
just gassing out. He was getting hurt regularly, cut below

(38:36):
both eyes. And look, you said something about his range
management in the one two's. I thought that right hand
was fairly consistently a big part of how he would
slightly hurt the leeds a and open up rooms for easy, easy,
easy takedowns one after another.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
No, let let me, let me let me debate that
a little bit with you. So the answer to that
is yes, I think your observation is correct, because there
was a relentless, a relentlessness with it where at times
it would graze or to bare minimum it would force
a kind of reaction that he could then build offense
off of right so he's slipping or it's punching, or
he's doing it was in some way disruptive. I mean, dude,

(39:11):
even just getting a person to move off their base
can be disruptive. So yes, but the amount of times
that flat missed or you know, he was trying to
land it and he got a little close, but not
like it's the volume of times that he missed that
was a little frustrating for me. So I think there's
a you know, there's a any time a guy is
making a volume play, they're inherently telling you they're not

(39:34):
trying to be accurate with everything, right. So it's not
even like you can say that this is some like
terrible part of his game. It's just that My point is,
we see, if he could tighten that up a little bit,
he wouldn't even have to have as much volume that
he does. Does that make sense? Like he can see, dude,
he got the job done. I mean, I mean he
got the job done. Well, I'm saying he might have

(39:56):
been able to stop that even sooner. If he could
have tightened up a few of those right hands.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
He could have stopped. And if he went for the
sub and like the second or third round, if he
actually aggressively went after it, didn't it feel like you
could have gotten it?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yes, And also there's a question about like, you know,
should the Leeds they have come out for round four?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Or should Eric nixicck have let him come out because
that shoulder?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
And I know, I'm obviously I love Eric Nixon, and
I'm not, you know, here trying to second guess the
coach and say that I know better, But I'm asking
a question. Yeah, because here's what happens. A lot of
times fighter coaches will let it go during a fight
and then I'll talk to them later and they'll be like,
you know what, maybe I shouldn't have done that. So
you want to give these guys, you know, on one level,

(40:36):
you want to be like, hey, did you make the
right decision? If you didn't, there's a level of criticism
I think that is owed. On the other hand, I
do believe in a little bit of grace because a
lot of times it occurs to them after the fact
and that then informs their judgment for the next time out.
So you know, something to keep in mind.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Let's see a tweet from Henry Shudo that was a
similar thought I had and a lot of others where
Shuda said Anthony Hernandez looked like a future UFC champions tonight,
and I don't think that's too aggressive to say, because
the lead day was sort of you know, in the outside,
but in that title picture largely. Now, maybe the problem
here is that Hernandez was ranked ten coming in, so

(41:13):
to make that leap all the way to the title
in a very crowded division is somewhat tough to do.
I do think we have to wait for what happens
with Kyle versus Nascardine to see who maybe could make
that leap. I did here, of course, Fluffy saying, look,
I just want to fight for a title of some form,
whether that means the winner of the three nineteen fight
next this Saturday, or he even brought up a BMF

(41:36):
idea against RDR, which I don't necessarily need, by the way,
but I do need to him to get a big
fight off of this. First, let's hear from Fluff Hernandez
talking about why he had a big scare. He came
in a half pound over that limit there of one
hundred and eighty six pounds for a non title beout
had to come back to the scale a second time,
here's Fluffy talking about it.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
I guess I just got to fucking pay more attention
to be honest, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
I didn't even know who the fuck was on the card, So, like,
I really don't pay attention.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Like I have a great team.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
I show up to the airport, they're there, and I
just follow them, and the res kind of works itself out. Like, Bro,
I really don't pay attention. I'm usually like a highest shit.
So you know, I just I like violence, Bro, the
only thing I'm good at.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
So I guess we know how you're celebrating tonight.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Oh for sure, I'm fucking token big yeah, fuck yeah,
got like four joints rolled already.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Dude, hashtack relatable, and even DC said to him in
the interview, you're now my favorite fighter. Like I think
a lot of us felt like that, right.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, if we bring back room service diaries BC, we
have to get high as shit with Anthony Hernandez.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, we also need to go to want Archiletta's family's
weed farm up in the hills in California one day.
Can we do that?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Yeah? By the way, I have somewhat breaking news. I'm
sorry to bring us up, you see, but it's just
a crazy day. If I may please, just a just
a quick note. I'm sorry, just a quick note, but
it just got announced ESPN and Fox are going to
now launch a combined streaming bundle starting October second. So
the dominoes are falling in a bunch of different directions.

(43:08):
And now I don't know what the name of this
thing is gonna be, but yeah, the ESPN and Fox
are going to be getting together to bring you one
streaming service, obviously for sports.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Right, So think that's the same product that you or
ESPN was teasing the other day, their new like WWE
twenty dollars a month product.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't think it's a good question.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I don't know yet.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Uh, further talk here about this title picture and what
he could get. We have some more sound from Fluffy.
We're gonna throw that in to a second. But Luke,
if it was our dr next, I don't think we'd
be upset even though he won eight in a row.
What about this sneaky thing that people are throwing out there.
Give Fluffy a big man event against Israel out of
Sonia with a crowd. What do you think about that?
Say that again, if Fluffy couldn't get the title, and

(43:50):
if you didn't want to do our dr Next, what
do you think about an idea to raise his you know,
brand more fight somebody like who's coming down like in
out of Sonia in a big you know, big fight
night card or something.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
This is the fight. This is I mean, this is
the way the fight game works. You feed the I
mean obviously he's not old in that sense, but you
feed the elderly to the young. So sure, give him.
I think clearly he has to have someone inside the
top five, right, I mean I think we're all in
agreement with that. And that leaves you with somebody with
a name. Now, BC, could they feed him Whittaker? Would

(44:24):
you be okay with Whittaker?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
No, because Whittaker's lost a bunch in a road to
be not consecutively, but a bunch in a row to
big name guys. I'd rather well, so is Izzy too?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, dude, this is where it is.
I mean, the end of your This is why guys
like Habib and GSP they called it quits at a
very you know, oh it was so early for them. Yeah,
but like look what was father?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
That was father's wish?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Okay, all right, but GSP, you know, basically called it
quits when he could barely beat Johnny Hendrix arguably didn't
and then you know, took a four year five year
highest however long it was. I'm just trying to point out, like,
if you fight late enough, this is what awaits you.
Is the Anthony Hernandez is just coming downhill on you.

(45:07):
You know, this is this is where we are.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
All right, let's say Nasardine imov when or let's say
either when Kyo or Nastardine gets a big win there,
Like already R Fluffy would be great. Also, like if
that's the worst case scenario for Fluffy already R versus
Fluffy would be a hell of an interesting test.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Oh my god, that would be amazing because the jiu
jitsu between them would be ridiculous. That'd be a lot
of fun. But you know, you haven't asked me about this,
and I was hoping that you will, but we got
to bring it.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Up, all right, boxers or briefs Luke.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Right now, I'm free ball at naughties and I'm wearing boxers,
just letting my ball sag. Why didn't Deledse go to
the body, a known weakness of Anthony Hernandez. Why didn't
they go there. I've seen some criticism of Delidze as
well as some of the corn that happened in that fight,

(46:01):
and I have.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
To overwhelm he was overwhelmed off.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Okay, but like if you want to resist the dude,
the guy has known It's a little bit like Seroni
in that regard, like you know, tough out, like you know,
obviously he's gonna beat good guys. And again I want
to be clear, like Hernandez was favored to win, like
the oddsmakers thought he was going to get it done.
I'm simply saying, like you didn't go to the most
obvious kind of known weakness. Real big question about Delidze's

(46:26):
game plan. I think for me for this one.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I'm with you. I'm with you on there. Sometimes I think,
though you are who you are at your core when
you're in it, and he was in it right off
the top right, so sometimes you're you're essentially just fighting
for survival. And I'll give him credit. He bit down
and tried to brawl with it with Fluffy like he
tried his best to find some ways to get him
off of him. But I think once at the end
of that second round, it was clear that the gas

(46:51):
tank was going to be gone soon. I mean, you're
in full survival mode at that point, You're trying to
stay upright, and he's just getting tossed to the ground.
I mean, I don't think Roman believe he needs to
walk away, even though he's thirty seven. And they were
polite afterwards. Roman came up and congratulated and hugged him.
But I've never felt more like, I've never seen a
one side he had finished, like I mean maybe Anderson's

(47:12):
Silver Forest Griffin where it's just like, oh my god,
that guy should maybe never fight again because it was
like so overwhelmingly conclusive on every level. I mean, it's
it's rough, dude, it was rough what Fluffy put him through.
Let's hear Hernandez talk about where he thinks he fits
in in this title picture.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
And rear naked choke is what it goes down in
the books. But that was like statement there too, Right,
there's real naked chokes and there's just dragging another human
being across the cage by their neck. I mean, what's
going through your head in the moment, and were you
like I'm I'm gonna try to make this as violent
as possible.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Rather than just sitting squeeze.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
I almost lost my cool.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
I just I was pissed off and sawid neck and
I was just like, fuck you. But at the end
of the day, I hats out to Roman. He's a
tough motherfucker. I got nothing but respect for the guy.
He's fucking super awesome, was super nice all media day.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
It's like, uh, I just like, I.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
Don't know when I get hit and ship, when I
start fighting, I get fucking I lose it and I
get mad and I want to kill you. But it's like,
it's nothing personal to you.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
It's just fuck you for hitting me.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Last thing for me?

Speaker 7 (48:13):
I mean, do you book a plane ticket a Chicago
for next week?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
And it goes That's.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
What I'm hearing.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
I'm flying to Chicago.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
So yeah, it.

Speaker 8 (48:19):
Seems like the number one contenter fight in Paris. There's you,
there's RDR. If you do have to fight again, is
there what a fight with? Like Sean Strickland.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
I really like when I say I don't give a
fuck who I fight. Yes, I'm serious about that shit.
I don't give a fuck who I fight. I think
it'd be cool if there was like a contender BMF
belt or like something like that, But I want the title.
That's like, that's the only reason I do this shit
for is to get that money and change my family's life.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
You're going to Chicago?

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Is that something UFC said to you or is that
something your team is planned?

Speaker 9 (48:51):
No?

Speaker 6 (48:51):
I just was told that in the back right now.
They're gonna fly me out, So I'll be looking forward
to that.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Hell yeah, so wait, do you find out to be
the backup or just to be there to like face
off against the winner?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Like what he didn't say, but either I think probably
insurance too. They need someone to promote, you know, could
I don't know if he he barely made way for
this one. I don't know if he can make weight again,
but it seems like he could have some promotional muscle
to add to the whole intrigue of what's already the
best fight on the fucking calendar. So yeah, strictly you
believe how great middleweight is right now, this is strictly

(49:24):
he just as interesting an option, even though it seems
like strickly he's trying to get.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
A long term hums out fight going. But he has
lost two of his last three both to DDP. The
only thing I'll say is like he's never had more
leverage or brand power than he has right now. I
hate when people say I'll fight whoever. I like that
he hedged it with I want to fight for the title.
I need to fight for the title. Dude, stand on business.
You did the discount, double check, tell him you're the

(49:49):
man for the title. Next, say to people, I'm going
out there to Chicago to get in the face of
the winner. Like that's the spirit I want to see
luke out of him.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I fully agree with that.
You know, he's not if there's something to be said
for Fluffy that I think is holding him back a
little bit. And it's not a it's not a personal attack.
I'm not saying his personality sucks. I'm saying he's not
a natural self marketer, right, I think it's pretty fair
to say. And then, obviously, being a very good self

(50:17):
marketer pays enormous dividends in this sport, so he has
to earn it the hard way. But he's earning it
the hard way. He seems quite likable, and you know,
if you just like fun, exciting, entrance into a division,
who are you know, seemingly near the peak of their powers.
I present to you Fluffy Hernandez as an exhibit and
easy to like kind of fighters.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I'm with you becoming one of my favorite fighters overnight instantly,
Like I'm glad I was wrong at his what his
ceiling is, I'm glad he showed us coming off a
fight he was sick who he really is. Also, people
laughed at me last year when I said middleweight was
potentially the sexiest division because you had a title picture
with a lot of new guys and then a lot
of big names like Whitaker and out of Sonia. I'm
glad that it still is. I think Walter Waite's a

(50:59):
little more interesting in a little deeper but middleweight is
fun as shit, and we're going to see that this Saturday,
of course, at UFC three nineteen with DDP versus Hamzad. Now,
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Speaker 1 (52:05):
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Speaker 2 (52:11):
Yeah earlier, yes, yes, I did.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Oh yeah, sorry, that's no problem, Luke.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
It's a busy day. Okay, you're excited guy, you just
got back from the beach.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Boy, I'm trying to see all this breaking news from
Mark Shapiro that's coming down from CNBC.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So it's yeah, I heard a snippet of him and
Arian CNBC where they where. They kind of made it
sound like there would be a lot of UFC cards, uh,
simul cast it on CBS.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, So what he is saying, well, he did. Okay,
one thing I didn't even mention here is that one
thing he's saying is he said he didn't say it
was definite, but he did say it was likely that
all the numbered events, so you know, UFC three zero,
whatever will air on CBS.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Wow. So so does that mean like like early prelims
and pre limbs and then we.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Go who knows? Who knows?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I mean, dude, you're if you're David Ellison now of
Paramount and you want to make a big move and
a big splash with this, which they did put that
on big CBS. Let's go. I mean, there's you know.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
This is the same issue that they run into when
they were on Fox, and it's something they run into
when they're in ABC, which is with some exception. Now,
of course there's exception. If you're on Fox Sports one,
they can just move whatever's off there for UFC if
they wanted to, Right, there's almost nothing that airs on
Fox Sports one except like maybe they have a contractual
obligation for like a baseball game, but you know, it's

(53:32):
not so crowded that they can't move it around. Whereas BC.
Let me ask a question, what is CBS's slate of
college football and NFL playoff games?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Pretty aggressive? Pretty aggressive, right, the big ten deal. They
obviously have been in business with the NFL showing you
AFC games for you know, many decades.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, so this is what I mean, as big as
the UFC is and it's big there, gonna have a
tough time competing with the NFL playoffs or big time
college football dode, big time college football becee. What does
that do? Like fifteen eighteen million viewers.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Oh, it's big, it's really big. But so I mean, look,
they might pick their battles during that part of the season, right,
but like let's see what they do on the on
the total.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
And also some stuff just materializes, like they can't move
all big fights off of football season, which by the way,
goes from freaking August until basically the first week or
second week of February. You know what I mean, Like
it's a long time how they play that it's gonna
be interesting obviously, paramountlus Can, how's everything? No problem? But
if you've got one CBS, you gotta be real deliberate

(54:38):
about what goes on there. That part could get But
b see, remember this first time they aired on Fox,
they had a full card, They showed one fight on Fox.
Could we get to a place where during football season
they just show the main and comine on CBS? Could
that happen?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Could be wild? Because that time would be after your
local news, right or you know, right around that time
and exactly and if Cole Beart's not there anymore, right.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Well, I mean he's weak days. And also like his
show was bad? You know what I mean? Can we
say that a loud? His show was bad?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Who gets all?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
There we go? There we go. Hey, let's get into
topic number two, which was the co main event on
Saturday's UFC Fight Night card from the Apex, A banhamweight
last minute about between two flyweights and Steve Ersk, former
title challenger who's gone from three straight wins in the
UFC to get a title shot to three straight defeats.
Nearly made it for as he was a big betting

(55:35):
favorite against Oday Osborne, and he would go on to
score a three round unanimous decision on twenty nine to
twenty eight eight sorry, twenty nine to twenty eight score
cards across the board. But as I tease, the fight
nearly got out of hand several times, including when Osborne
dropped him with a beautiful straight right hand. Luke, there's

(55:56):
almost more questions than there were about Ersac coming in
even though he scored a much much needed win. Should
this lackluster performance be viewed as Erseg dealing with the
nerves that come with three straight losses and the potential
of four, which, for all we know, could lead to unemployment,
or are there still bigger issues in Erseg's development and

(56:17):
overall skill level as an elite flyway.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I feel like that's the central question after watching that fight.
All right, he got the job. How did you score
it eight for him?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yes? But I feel I felt like there was an
argument on that second round, like it could have gone
two to one. Third round, definitely a third.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, he was he was in mount basically the whole time.
I mean it was the one time he got up
and they put him back down. Uh long Island, Luke,
How did you score. How did you score the comin?

Speaker 5 (56:41):
I had it to to one, but I didn't think
he looked good throughout it.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
You did not not well? In round three he looked
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
I just like from going from losing the last round
against Pantosia to here, I feel like there's a big.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Gap of right, Okay, So that's where I'm at. So
I by the way, if if Osborne had one winning
round one obviously and then maybe round two, I would
not have complained. In fact, I thought, erseeg, I'm not
gonna say he got LUCKYBC, but you know, the wind
kind of blew a little bit in his direction such
that he was able to get it done. So I'm

(57:15):
glad he was able to like stop the bleeding. And
I just don't think you can look at this end
divorce the two. I mean, he even admitted, I think
we have audio to this effect and we'll play it here.
I'm sure in a minute, Which is he was feeling
the heat on this one in terms of all the
losses that he had. Nevertheless, this guy pushed Pantoja to
the point where I'm gonna say it one more time
if he doesn't go for a takedown in the fifth.

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He's probably the next UFC flyweight champion, and he was
struggling with ode Osbourne. He was getting cracked obviously a
bunch in the first and even in the second round
he had a hard time closing distance and setting up
his strikes. What saved him in the end was basically
the ground game. That was what he was able to do.
And obviously he really took over in the third, so

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he was able to win, and he was able to
win by being more well rounded. But he does not
look like a better fighter than the guy who beat
Matt Schnell. He does not look like a better fighter
than the guy who faced off against Pantojia. He doesn't
look like a better fighter than the one who fought
against Frankly Brandon Moreno, for crying out loud, he looked

(58:22):
like until we see a few more fights, I cannot
fully declare what's happening here in terms of regression versus
just the jitters of the moment. But what I'm going
to say is he's got a lot of climbing to
do to remove himself from consideration that he's regressed. Like

(58:44):
it's so far back that you know several fights are
going to be necessary to even get back to where
he was.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Confidence seems shot. Let's
hear er Seg talking about the struggles mentally that came
with the idea of that losing streak. And I mean,
Martin Boudet just got got when he's seven and one,
so you never know if he was going to come back.
All those shout out to Boudet getting the octagon him
and made deal.

Speaker 8 (59:11):
Here's their sec How much pressure did you have on
yourself coming in this fight?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (59:15):
Hey, so obviously you like doused on through your head, like,
uh would I for a little along? Do I really
belong to like deserve to be here?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
That nonsense.

Speaker 9 (59:23):
So it's good to off had a tough guy in
the USA been here if you have for ages and
get a tough win.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
When the judges read the scorecards, were you confident that
you won the fight?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (59:35):
I thought I did enough.

Speaker 9 (59:35):
I mean, you never really know, but I thought I
had he back in the second, I had he back
in the third, So I thought I did enough.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yeah, tough break for this guy right there, Luke, because
he did what he had to do in round three
with almost desperate wrestling to constantly pull Osborne back down
and keep him there. Really, my biggest question is did
Osborne fly home or take a train?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I like how the news is so big that you're
distracted quite visibly on your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, it's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, and yet you still have time to make a
Osborne joke.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yeah, seamlessly, seamlessly. Do you feel like he ever gets
back to a big fight, Luke, I mean, what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Do you it's it's it's just too early to tell.
I mean that again. He he didn't die in the
Sarlac Pit BC, but I don't know if he's going
to make it to Jedi. You know what I'm saying.
He extricated himself from the worst case scenario. We can
say that that's it he did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
He did indeed right there. So Ersek survives in advance,
we'll see what his future, what his future looks like
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Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Thank you very much, Luke Thomas for your efforts. Topic
number three is going to take us to the rest
of what we saw at UFCAPEX one oh nine or
whatever you want to call it. There By the way,
did Hunter Campbell just say publicly that they're looking to
expand the apex to five maybe ten thousand seats. That
would be a big upgrade. But we're talking right now
about this undercard, Luke, I want to pick off the
menu and go down to the prelimbs. Did you see

(01:02:53):
what Jocelyn Edwards did to Priscilla Catchiwera. We do not
get Ko's this nasty in the women's game. I'd love
to show you the highlights, but they would certainly take
us down for that. Basically, a three punch combination that
might legit be in the KO of the Year category.
And when you add in Joscelyn Edwards, somebody we don't

(01:03:14):
talk about a lot on this show. That's three straight wins,
all three by stoppage for the women's bandam weight. Is
this potentially like some life injected into one of the
worst divisions in the sport?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, there's no question. I mean, dude, When she started
out in the UFC, first of all, she had one
fight in LFA which she lost, and then she makes
it to the UFC with a nine to two record.
She beat Wu Yanan, who I don't know if they've
she's fought since. Then she loses to Carol Hosa and
then Jessica Rose Clark pretty convincingly. She gets a few
wins along the way and then loses again to a

(01:03:47):
bunch of fighters, including Eileen Petes. But the last two
of these BC the last one obviously against Priscilla CATCHWAA
this past Saturday, then Chelsea Handler before that, two back
to back first round stoppages.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Chelsea Chandler, Luke, it's not you know, I mean what
Chelsea Handler, Oh, Chelsea Chandler, I mean that was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
But you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, fair enough.
I apologize Chelsea Chandler. Uh either way, The point I'm
trying to make is she got two back to back
first round stopages. Yes, but it's the what you indicated me.
See that three punch combination here on catch where her
hands have gotten visibly better. She's twenty nine years of
age now, Edwards is, and it just looks like the
parts of her game that needed maturation, and there was

(01:04:28):
a lot of them, they're getting it. Like she's starting
to know how to like sit down on her punches.
Look at the result as a consequence, There's just much
more forcefulness to it. There's much more accuracy to it.
There's much more shot uh thoughtful I should say, shot
selection behind it. She did not start out in any
way an impressive figure in this division, and you know,

(01:04:49):
still a ways to go BC, But the way she's
looked more recently, it just seems like, you know, everyone
kind of you know, hits their stride at a different
point in their career. Some are you know, shot out
of a cannon and they're good from day one, but
guys you like, were not necessarily like that, you know, Max,
Max hollow excuse me, did not start out necessarily as
a as a terminator, but he just eventually became one.

(01:05:11):
I'm not saying Edwards is going to do that BC,
but she is definitely rounding a corner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Yeah, in a big way. Shout out to Joscelyn Edwards
on that breakthrough Elsewhere Luke. Elijah Smith slam ko of
Toshiomi Kazama brought back memories of old school MMA. If
Joscelyn Edwards belongs in the KO of the Year discussion
for that three punch in a side of disrespect, where
does this slam ko from Elijah Smith fit in?

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
So it's definitely one of the best KOs of the year.
I mean, there's no question about it. But let me
ask a question that people have been pitching to me
that I, I don't know, hadn't fully thought about much, which is,
how much do you think KO slams like this should
be illegal? Because because you can't punch the back of

(01:06:02):
the head, but I can lift you up and then
slam you to the mat and it's the same area
being affected, why would that be tolerable?

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I mean I felt the same way when Jessica Androge
did that to Rose where it was like damn, that
could have been like career ending.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean I tend to think
that like MMA is sort of diminished when you get
rid of creativity like this, But at the same time,
you know it rules to see.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I mean, it doesn't it instantly feel like nineteen or
two thousand and two Pride or you know what I mean,
Like it instantly brings you back to a different era
when you see that, it's so rare that it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
It's again. MMA is built on oh shit moments, Right,
That's what it's built on, and that is clearly an
O shit moment. So if that doesn't win KO of
the Year, it better be a very good one that does.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah, you're right. Let's hear from Elliot Smith talking about
his slam where he let the boys be boys.

Speaker 11 (01:07:00):
I could feel like with every shot he was like breaking, breaking,
and that's when he threw up the triangle and the
rest is history. I'm gonna be honest, I didn't believe
he could get me in a triangle. So I'll give
him again. I'll give him his flowers for attempting and
getting close to it. I promise the next time, I won't.
I won't even get close to that. But you know,
I just been being in jiu jitsu tournaments where I've

(01:07:21):
been I have video of me like when I was younger,
and where guys got a triangle and I lifted them
up in the same way. And always my dad always
told me. I remember one time he was like, if
this was a fight, man, you could have definitely slammed
the you know, you know, sugar honey ice tea out
of him. And this time I finally had the opportunity
to do it. I can't do it against training partners.
I love my guys, but you know, when it's somebody

(01:07:43):
random that you don't know and it's for you know,
everything is on the line.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Oh yeah, you're.

Speaker 11 (01:07:48):
About to get slammed. You about to get slammed on
your done piece. This was definitely, in my opinion, this
was the statement that I needed to prove to myself
that Elijah, you can go out there and you could
go get it finished. You could go get that highlight out,
you know, go viral, and you can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
You're more than capable.

Speaker 11 (01:08:04):
But when the time when the lights shine, just do it, man,
Just be you be Elijah swift Smith be somebody who
you've always been in your whole fight career, and yeah,
it's just so crazy how it all played out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
That's Elijah Smith, shout out to me, calling him Elliott
Elliot Smith. Yeah, songwriter who stabbed himself in the heart unfortunately,
but Elijah Smith. Pretty funny, Luke in that interview, I
want to I want to see and hear more from
this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
You know, he seems like a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Great talk to me about touchy feely here. He he
always win lost, win loss for about a ten fight streak,
scores a close split decision over Christian Rodriguez. But he
wasn't into that Holloway bit bit with pointing at the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Luke, well play the audio first, if we have it.

Speaker 10 (01:08:47):
We had like ten to twenty seconds left, and he
looked at the clock and then looked at me and
pointed down like the Holloway point, and I said, no,
fuck you, and I've stuck in and I kept sticking
and moving. That's that's what happened. I'm not doing that.
Like I said, diapers are expensive, groceries are expensive. I've
had lots of fights where I could prove that I'm tough.
I think that fight was exciting. I hope it was

(01:09:07):
an exciting fight. But I don't need to I don't
need to stand there and go, Okay, point at the ground,
let's go. First of all, no one does it right.
Max is the only person that does it right where
you plant your feet and you swing. And I'm not
saying I'll never do that, but I'll probably never do
that if I ever fought Max Hollowy again, which I'm
not gunning for that. I love Max and I really

(01:09:28):
have a lot of love for him. But if I
ever fought Max Holloway again and he pointed the ground,
I would say the same thing I said tonight, No
fuck off, leave me alone, and I get back to
stick in a movement.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
So you're one of those that would agree with the
assessment Dustin gave after he after they asked him about
the final ten seconds with his fight, nog Have.

Speaker 10 (01:09:46):
You seen how that's worked out for a lot of people.
I'm cool, like we could gamble later after the fight, Bro,
I'm not here to gamble. I'm here to be I'm
here to be sharp. I'm here to be a world
class fighter, and I'm here to collect two to three checks,
and I'm here to make my p people proud. I'm
not here to plant my feet and throw unless that's
part of the game plan. More power to people. I'm

(01:10:07):
actually pretty honestly, I got the mics. You guys got
to listen to me right now. I'm pretty fucking sick
of people doing the point and the dog. If you're
going to point the ground and you're gonna say let's
go for the last ten seconds and you're going to
try to do it Holloway does. No one else can
do it. It's only he's the only one that does
it right. You got to plant your feet and throw.
It's not plant your feet, throw twice and shoot, or
plant your feet and clinch. It's plant your feet and throw.

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And if I ever do it, I'll do it right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I mean that's fair. It is getting old, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
I actually fully agree with him, do you know what
I mean? Like, I get that people want to adopt
it because, oh, Max did an awesome thing. I want
to participate in an awesome thing. It's like, I don't
think people realize how special Max is, you know what
I mean? Like, you know, even very good fighters don't
benefit from that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
He is a unique.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
It comes from him having a unique makeup and frankly
like not identity but composition about who he is. And
you can't just take that and be like, oh, I'll
do the same thing. It doesn't work that way. So
I did think that the scoring was a little bit
weird in this one, right, because you had twenty nine,
twenty eight, twenty eight, twenty nine and then thirty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Long.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I know, Luke, how did you score this one?

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
I had a thirty twenty seven?

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Peely.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
I think the judge who scored it for Sea Rod
was like, I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
You I agree. I agree. I thought I had a
twenty nine twenty eight. I thought that was a pretty
fair score, dude. Sea Rod is weird, right because he'll
beat anybody who's an undefeated prospect, and then they match
him up with like a veteran guy and he's just
kind of left wanting as a consequence, and you know,
it tells you like there was Emma on Pointed a

(01:11:47):
video a long time ago where they were saying like,
you know, the sport's getting older and like older guys
are doing better later now, and it feels like Sea
Rod is kind of like a victim of that. Like,
if you're not on the level, he'll find out. But
if you are an experienced vet in then you know
they're going to be doing some teaching, it seems like,
and it's a it's a difficult problem for some of
these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yeah, you reach Luke, we teach, That's how it works.
Talk to me about Christian Leroy Duncan, who damn near
sent Eric Anders to hell And now the only losses
for Duncan are against Hobo kop and armand Petrosian. Did
he give you the feeling considering Anders as a durable,
consistent veteran here that he's on his way to viable

(01:12:27):
contendership at one eighty five?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
You know what, I would not have said that before
this fight. I wasn't even sure who he was on
the roster. But this was such a nice win. And
Eric Anders is a limited fighter, but he's a tough
out and he you know, has found relevance over the
course of time by grinding out wins. And you know,
he's won zom, he's lost some, but you know, kind
of being there as a consistent presence, and he got

(01:12:49):
handled in this fight, Like what was the last time
what was the last time Eric Anders got handled?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I don't football field, I don't know, Luke. Let's see here.
I mean he so he was stopped by a spinning
back elbow and then the punches that followed up. He
got subed by Andre Muanneze in twenty one, but okay,
he got stopped by elbows against Maheta in twenty eighteen.
But it's a very rare sight.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
See what I'm saying, Like, it's not a common thing
for him. And then, by the way, is this is
this his only first round striking stoppage?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Probably? Yeah, I believe so, right, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
What I mean, Like, this was such a nice performance
that I don't It's the same thing I'm gonna say
with Erse, but in a different way, like I didn't
know he's got to climb back out. But with this case,
I was so impressed by it that I'm like, okay,
let's see more. Let's see more. But it's very rare
to beat a durable veteran like Honders the way that

(01:13:42):
Duncan did, and that to me signaled something potentially interesting
Long Island.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Luke, you are a marauder. Marauder of the early cards
for UFC on your Main Card Minute podcast. We didn't
get Red Rocket Ronda on this one, but did we
get anything else that moved you?

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
I did see Red Rocket Ronda just got booked. I
can't remember against who, but Earl smeititch, how about that dude?
He gets dropped about ten seconds into that fight, and
you're like, oh, this dude's getting finished, and then he
just sends Gilbert Urbina to hell.

Speaker 5 (01:14:11):
That was pretty sick. I gotta give a shout out
to Juicy J. I believe his nickname is Julius Walker.
Is that his nickname?

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Or mind is his nickname?

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
I knew he had a cool nickname. Sorry, juice Box.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Julius Walker and Rafael Sekera or half a Secra they
put on a fun fight.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
It was a slobber knocker light heavyweight fight, but I
enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, Gilbert Orbina looking like those people that who get
their being out hit with the machete on as fun
as farm, you know what I'm talking about? Maybe not
all right? That was the UFCA and look you're done
with UFCAPEX.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Right, Yeah, I mean, hey, listen, there was some phenomenal
KOs on this card. I didn't watch it live. I'm
not gonna say, well, I watched the main event live.
I did watch the event live, but uh, you know,
it was a fine, pretty fun fight night card for
what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Friend of the program Cody Brundage getting a last minute
split decision loss and the curtain jerker unfortunately, but shout
out to Eric moconico.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Mcconicamconico. That was kind of a robbery too.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Most people thought Brundage won that fight, so I thought, yeah,
I thought the same.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
I haven't butchered that name bad badly since Kyo and
that time I called him Dick Rico. Remember that guy Luke?
Yeah right, media, Yeah, that guy loves the media, all right.
Topic number four, Hey, I got to shut out PFL
because even though I don't like that, they do regional
promotions all over the world and there's a tournament for
everything and belts for everything. When they put on cards,

(01:15:35):
people get brutally finished. PFL Africa from Johannesburg over the
weekend took place. The bigger story here is certainly Don
Davis and Ganawa will get that. Look. I wish we
could show particularly two of the highlights. Did you see
the just the vicious chaos that this card produced.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Bro, I could not believe how good they were. That
jumping knee where the guy when he did you notice
the guy who got ko and jumping knee. One arm
went like this and then the other arm went like this.
You know how like when Family Guy when people die
and fall over, their arms are all twisted like that. Yes,
it reminded me of like the characters and Family Guy
getting their bodies all twisted. I could not believe how

(01:16:14):
good it was. And there was a question morek kicked.
There was a bunch of them. Those two were probably
the best. Dude. They've had two events in South Africa
in about a month or whatever, the three weeks or
something like that, and they were both sellouts and they
both produced a ton of great response. This card did
not have great names, but it was a home run

(01:16:36):
in my estimation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
It really was. And people are starting, okay, what do
you make? I forgot the journalist that tweeted it out,
but somebody tweeted out that, like, we got to try
to turn our criticism around a bit, because what is
actually happening inside the cage at PFL the smart gauge.
Excuse me, this calendar year has been fairly consistently good.
Would you say that, Luke, And you think it's fair

(01:16:57):
to say that despite how many times from a peace
level they've shot themselves in the foot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
I think that they're doing in terms of their in
cage product. Dude, they're killing it right now. To be
perfectly honest with you, like you cannot in good faith
look at the results of what has happened, watch the
contests and then come to the conclusion that they're you
know that this is a failing promotion in that regard.
Now you can make a question about like can they
succeed long term? I'm not talking about that. I'm saying,

(01:17:25):
are they when they show up on fight night? Are
they delivering? I would argue, not just good, mma, but
in certain cases certainly would like to go to Ditchevia
and whatever and other ones you know relevant Mma. The
answer is yes. The answer is yes, Like these events
are fantastic and they have been fantastic. And then to
say nothing but what thad Gene has done. We've talked
about it ad nauseum already, Like, dude, they're in cage.

(01:17:47):
This is why, this is why it's so important to
me that we say this out loud, right, because if
we're going to say that the PFL, you know, they
got a new executive coming in, a new CEO coming in.
They just hired Jamie Popps, was like head of Latin
America for UFC. Now he's going to be head of
Latin America for PFL. You know, they're bringing in talent.

(01:18:08):
I think bringing in Dan Hardy has been a fucking
game changer for them because his sensibility about what works
is almost exactly correct every single time. And just look
at the product. Now they've simplified it. It's better. They've
got better names from you know, not everyone from the
belt or takeover, but they got some addition to their
roster from that, and it's been phenomenal as a consequence.

(01:18:32):
And so the reason why it's important to say that
is not to just give them a pad on the back.
It's to say this promotion is making good decisions, right.
I mean, they made a lot of bad ones, but
now they're making good decisions. What fruit does that bear
long term?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Does that get them? Are they going to be the
only show in talent in ESPN? Are they going to
get a big push now?

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Exactly? Good question what what does being a number two
promo that makes good decisions get you. We're gonna find.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Out who does number two work for? Right, That's what
I wanted. Yeah, show two sold out shows in South
Africa in less than a month. We know what they've
been doing, packing crowds in Europe. I wish they would
do a larger better job at simplifying who their true
core of marketable fighters are and then marketing them aggressively.

(01:19:25):
I like Coachman in the speaking role, so we'll see. However,
this PFL Africa card had a little bit of controversy
surrounding the fact that Francis and Ghana, who of course
was signed as a massive free agent, not just to
be a fighter as a heavyweight, although he's only appeared
once in the cage since signing that deal after two
consecutive big time boxing opportunities. He was also going to

(01:19:47):
be a boarded like on the Fighter's board of directors,
going to be the head of their PFL Africa movements,
but he didn't show up to this card, and Don
Davis took to Twitter to really express how dis appointed
he was with Don with two nds said quote, I'm
not going to hide it I expected him, meaning Francis,

(01:20:08):
this is part of his vision so that all those
fighters out there don't have to leave the continent like
he did. We worked for two years. I'm disappointed, Luke.
We've said a lot of really good things about Francis
and Ghana, who I largely believe is a very good
soul and in somebody I cheered for to get out
of his UFC deal and get what he wanted, which

(01:20:30):
is better treatment, big money in boxing. But I can't
act like he's been a boon to PFL. I can't
act like he's gone out of his way to help PFL.
He didn't even hang around when they wanted him to
face off him and for hate of that time ahead
of the big fight that they ended up booking right there.
Do you believe Don has a point? And would you
go as far as saying and Ghanu hasn't kept up

(01:20:53):
his end of the bargain.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I think Don Davis is correct. I think he is
well within his rights to say this, and I Francis, Okay, Listen,
we don't know what's happening in Francis's life or you know,
personal life, where perhaps there were a set of circumstances

(01:21:17):
that just made going to this for whatever reason impossible.
But it's not like Francis made a big to do
about not being there, like trying to make amends with
the organization in some kind of way. He just didn't post,
you know what I mean. It's not like he contacted
PFL and was like, hey, guys, I'm dealing with something.
You know, I'm imagining something, some kind of scenario that

(01:21:37):
he had to attend to that you know, precluded him. Like, dude,
the PFL has been patient with him. They they gave
him everything that he asked for. They let him go box,
you know what I mean. They created this whole subdivision
for him, and he doesn't even have the decency to
go there. And it turned out that it was a
phenomenal event that was actually a pretty big success. That

(01:21:59):
what it will do for PFL Africa long term I
don't really know. But you know, on that night, did
they do that? Did the event deliver in the way
that it was intended to? Absolutely? And it did it
absent his participation, Like you know, the guy made a big,
big stink about Oh it's not just you know, look him,
even if he had said nothing else him leaving UFC
to go to PFL to maximize his contractual rights. That

(01:22:22):
alone is a win for fighter advocacy. Right, He didn't
need to do the other stuff, but he chose to
do the other stuff. He chose to make a big
deal about this global board, and he chose to make
a big deal about PFL Africa, and he chose to
make this a part of his identity. He willingly went
through with it, and then they have their launch and

(01:22:42):
the one guy who is central to this, and the
point that Don Davis raises is like, so guys don't
have to leave the continent like he had to. Remember,
Francis obviously had to go through this incredible journey just
to get to a gym where he could become what
he ultimately became. You know again, I don't know what
the situation is in his personal life, but I'm guessing
that Don Davis saying this is evidence of the fact

(01:23:03):
that there wasn't really much necessarily that precluded him from going.
He just simply chose not to for you know, again,
for whatever personal reasons that may end up being. Yeah, dude,
he let PFL down, Like we are very profighter on
this show, but that doesn't mean we're always going to
take their side if a promotion does this kind dude,

(01:23:23):
this deal that he got, what other fighter in MMA
history has gotten a deal like this? It is not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
He's been under contract for like two plus years. He's
felt once it didn't enter a tournament. He doesn't show
up to other cars to promote like. It's it's weird, man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
It's it's they did all of this for him. And listen,
I'm gonna I'm gonna make something up here. I'm going
to speculate, Okay. My speculation is that he probably had
a lot of high hopes for what it meant to
go to the PFL when he left UFC, and you know,
and maybe like other guys, they'd be able to sign
and it hasn't really happened, and you know, he doesn't
really believe in the life of this deal anymore. Okay, fine. Nevertheless, man,

(01:24:02):
they gave you a great deal, like they gave you
a deal unlike any other deal in the history of MMA.
I don't know, man, seems kind of shitty. He didn't post.
I think Don Davis has a point here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
I don't ask this question because we got shocked this morning.
That paramount is now the official right so old they're
beginning of twenty twenty six in the US for UFC.
But could you see a scenario where maybe Dana was right?
And I thought Dana was being a dick this whole time,
constantly saying Francis is a bad guy at every turn,
because when Dana has a grudge with somebody, that can happen.

(01:24:37):
I mean, I wonder if he's right. Now, Look, I
don't know, I don't know the specifics, but I wonder
if he's right, is it fair to at least say
we may change our tune on that one day?

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I mean, is Dana right that Francis is a bad guy?
I don't know if one event makes him a bad
guy or what the full scope of it is. Also,
why would Francis be a bad guy because he wanted,
you know, to get the best deal imaginable like that
doesn't make him a bad guy. That might make him

(01:25:05):
someone you don't want to do business with, but that
doesn't make him a bad person, right, And so you know,
I mean, listen, everyone is going to make mistakes, and
everyone's going to make poor judgment, and lord knows, I've
got a life filled with incidences like that. But I
just think on this one issue, could Francis have done
more to be a willing participant to a company that

(01:25:29):
you know, I mean rolled out the red carpet and
then some for him. Yeah he could have, Dude, he
could have. I think Don Davis is really right on
this one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Yeah, where's Jake Paul too?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Well, that's not Francis's fault. I mean he can't fix that.
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I get that. All right, let's go to topic number five.
A reminder. We will not have a show on Friday.
We're gonna have our pregame preview on Thursday, So now's
the only time to talk about this. There is Big
time boxing this Saturday. Whether it should be a pay
per view on his own in the US is another argument.
But twenty year old heavyweight prospect Moses Atama from the
United Kingdom, Dude, I just did a video deep dive.

(01:26:05):
This phenom is totally on the verge of being a
very legit thing. Twelve and zero with ten KOs somehow,
just twenty years old, and he's got a big fight
against thirty seven year old Dylan Dillian White. Excuse me,
this Saturday, we know White has battle tested just three losses,
all on the elite level, and this will just be
Atama's thirteenth pro fight. The bout will take place in Riod,

(01:26:28):
Saudi Arabia. White might be thirty seven, but we don't
really worry about that in heavyweight, and he's got an
incredible amount of experience having faced the likes of Anthony
Joshua Tyson Fury, knocked out Joseph Parker. So we're talking about,
you know, split those fights with Alexander Povietkin, and he's
fighting a kid who's twenty years old. Luke, does it

(01:26:50):
feel like this is too much too soon for Atama
who has fought only twenty five rounds in his career,
or after you watch the tape, after you listen to
him speak, which I did this week it's going to
be an interview on my channel, does that change anything
for you to the idea that is this kid ready
for this fight and if he wins it, you already
know Turkey wants to put him in there against Usik.

(01:27:12):
So we're not talking about the future. The future is
going to be right now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I think he's the most exciting prospect in combat sports.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Woh whoa, whoa, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Okay, if I'm okay, who is more exciting as a
prospect than him?

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I mean, that's that's the question, right, that's the damn question.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
I mean, maybe you could say Gable Steveson if you're
really projecting, But we don't. I mean we don't. We
have so little to go on. You know that we're
just looking at his wrestling and we don't know exactly
what that will mean. You know, but a tama is
do you look at him on tape? He's he's fast.
I feel like he he like his body just naturally

(01:27:59):
flows in in. How do I say this exactly? There
are some people who can learn how to box, and
there are some people it seems like boxing naturally flows
through them, and he seems like the ladder of those. Now,
I obviously have questions b see less so and whether
he can beat Dillion White. However, to the point you raised,
which is okay, well, let's say he goes out there

(01:28:19):
and he just smokes Dillion White right inside three four rounds. Well,
then what they're gonna give him ousik And now that
seems like a bridge too far, because while the kid,
the kid can't even legally buy a beer in the
United States. That's how young he is. He can't even
do that. He couldn't vote here. I mean, obviously he's British,
but you know the point I'm trying to make, like

(01:28:39):
he wouldn't be old enough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Yeah, anytime soon, Luke, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
I mean, whatever, whatever you know, demarcishline you want to
use for being twenty one, he hasn't crossed it yet,
and so it just seems like we're rushing him so quick.
But like, dude, think about Moses Etomas Rise versus somebody
like an American fighter like Richie Torres. Now, Richie Torres
is good BC. He's a good fighter. He's not Moses
he Tauma. I mean, he's just not. He just cannot

(01:29:04):
do what that kid can do. He doesn't move like
he moves, he doesn't hit like he hits. And Torres
is a good, you know, accomplished fighter. So I feel
like the hype on him is it's more than just real.
It's it's in many ways justified. I guess it's the
same thing I worry about in MMA. You get someone
who's young and they're killing it. They're like front of

(01:29:26):
the line, and that can mess up everything thereafter, So
I guess we'll just have to see how it goes.
But do I believe in his upside, Yes, I firmly
believe in his upside.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
So he's not gonna break Mike Tyson's record as the
youngest heavyweight champion in history at age twenty. He'll turn
twenty one in December, but obviously he has the potential
to be pretty darn close. He was born in Slovakia
to a Nigerian father and Slovakian mother. Moved to the
UK when he was four years old. I also didn't
want to believe that this was all real, right, but
he has fought some durable old contenders and blown them

(01:29:59):
away his hand, speed, the variety of his offense, these
are he has phenom level abilities in there. Obviously. The
questions we don't have answers for is he's gone the
distance twice in six round fights early in his career,
never been past six as a pro, has knocked out
so many fighters as he's climbed the ladder in the first, second,

(01:30:19):
and third rounds. So I chat with him, We're gonna
hear this. You can check out this interview in full
on the Brian Campbell experience, I believe tomorrow. But let's
first hear from Moses Atalma talking about just that, dealing
with the pressure of potentially being the next big thing
at age twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Pressure is always a thing, but press is a privilege.
Pressure allows you to show you your metal. So I
use this moment to kind of use it to my advantage.
And I'm twenty years old, but I try not to

(01:30:57):
think like a twenty year old.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
I tried.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
I've tried to think like as if I'm where my
competition's at, you know what I mean, Because I don't
ever want to use my age as an excuse. I
didn't beat him because I was twenty years old. No,
you didn't beat him because you wasn't good enough. I
don't want to use that excuse. So I didn't wh
big five. And it's if is going to be a

(01:31:20):
big statement.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
No doubt about it. I also asked him about this
crazy fact, like ten years ago, he's in like the
fourth grade watching this current heavyweight era kickoff with the
likes of Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, all fighting
for their first world title around that time. Ten years later,
he's on the verge of potentially fighting most of those

(01:31:43):
names if he gets that opportunity right, how does he
deal with that fact fighting his boyhood heroes. Here's Atama.
You're coming in at the end of what I think
is one of the most fun one of the greatest
heavyweight eras of all time. You've got guys like Fury,
Joshua Wilder, Parker, usik All at or around age forty.

(01:32:04):
When they first came on the scene and came on top,
you were like, what fourth or fifth grade? How weird
is it that you literally could end up fighting all
those guys or a bunch of those guys, and it
could be in stadium title fights. Do you pinch yourself?
Is that crazy to you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
I know, I don't know how the great system works
in America. Obviously in England we have years. But I
remember when Anthony Joshua when he boxed didn't white. I
was ten years old. Now I'm boxing didn't Why to
get what I mean? But you know, people don't really
give me credit because like boxing didn't why it is
a big thing. If didn't, why Wilts to box Joseie Parker,

(01:32:43):
that's a big thing. If didn't why it was to
have a rematch with Anthony Joshua. That's selling now O two,
maybe even more. I'm fighting dilling White at twenty years old,
and people ain't that. People ain't giving me no credit
for that. People are matter of fact saying I'm going
to knock him out in inside whatever rounds. But it's

(01:33:04):
funny because the same people that think that I'm going
to knock didn't why. I was saying I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Ready for.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
USI's Parker's them them top of names, but then they
don't think that that them top of names will knockout.
Didn't why in two rounds. So it's like it's a
cycle of so.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Look, he went through distance twice in six round fights.
As I said, all ten of his other fights have
not made it out of the second round. Atama promoted
by Frank Warren, who had a quote that said Moses
can be the flag bearer for British sport internationally, not
just as a boxer, but I think he can be
a cultural icon internationally. When you think about people like

(01:33:46):
Tiger Woods or Lebron James. He is one of those guys.
End quote, Luke, you just heard how mature and sophisticated
he seems to be he's got his head on straight.
His trainer, Ben Davison will not stop talking about his
ability to listen and how mature he is. Do you
think these comparisons from Frank Warren are fair standard promoter

(01:34:07):
hype or are you getting the feeling too that even
though we don't have all the answers to how good
he is, that there's something truly special in I mean, in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
The end, Lebron had a lot of hype coming out
of high school, but it's because he was doing incredible things.
He did incredible things from his first game in the
NBA onwards, and Tiger Woods was doing incredible things as
a young phenom. But I guess the point I'm trying
to make is they didn't really become Lebron James. It
didn't really become Tiger Woods until they had something in

(01:34:35):
their back pocket to show that, like, this is what
the hype meant, to crystallize it, and to this point
we don't really have that, So, like, is it a
little premature now to say that? Certainly it could backfire
if Petoma goes out there and gets wiped out by
Dillian White or something like that. But I think I
would say this BC, if there's anybody I've seen in
boxing as a candidate to do something like that. I mean,

(01:34:58):
Lebron's obviously something kind of special, and so is Tiger, right,
So I mean, you know, it's still an exaggeration. It's
still an exaggeration no matter what. But I guess I
would just say, is you just don't have a lot
of prospects in boxing, irrespective of weight class at twenty
who you feel like can move as fast to the
top as this guy can. You know, everything else is

(01:35:19):
very incremental, and partly that's because heavyweight's a little bit
more wide open, but the fact that he's just bulldozing
his way into it so effortlessly is kind of speaking
to that effect. I just want folks to say whether
or not it's a Tiger Woods or it's a Lebron thing,
you know, you can decide, But is there something seemingly
special about him? I don't think that much is really

(01:35:40):
up for debate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Yeah, southpaw, huge hand speed, he said. The only heavyweight
that might have faster hands than him is Andy Ruiz,
who certainly has fast hands reaching for the food lately.
I hope Andy can get back in gear and still
get a big fight. But dude, he offensively is just
a different level of a heavyweight we've seen up to
this point. White's going to be a sturdy test three
and oh since that twenty twenty two knockout loss to

(01:36:03):
Tyson Fury. And look, the interesting thing is Gillian White's
been ko three times, all on upper cuts, so we're
gonna see if that could be a punch Otama can use.
And finally, here for Moses, if you're wondering what styles
of which fighters he've will followed growing up kind of
came together to make this style that he brings out.
Now the list is fairly decorated. Let's listen. I read

(01:36:25):
that you were a big fan of the great one
Prince Nasim Hahmed as a youngster. How much did he,
in what ways influence you as a boxer like I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Went through like us, that spurs of fighters like Nasim
Hammad was the first fight I loved watching. Then for
like a long period of time, it was Floyd may With,
it was Golofkin, and then for a long time it
became Lomachenko, then Givonne Davis and whatnot and blah blah blah.

(01:36:56):
Then george fulman was one for a long time. Also,
I'm going to steal this from Ay with her uh.
I don't want to be like a fighter. I want
my own kind of style, my own identity, and my
own identity is a mixture of all these fighters. There's

(01:37:21):
fights where I've gone into them and like, for example,
the fight against me versus Marius White, people are saying
that I look like the heaywet Many patio. And then
obviously when it comes when it comes to fights like
Dempsey mckin or Mike Ballaghan, I think that's most is
the town my style. To get what I mean like,

(01:37:42):
I'm just confusing, just confusing them. Obviously it didn't it didn't.
It didn't originate from me. There's nothing that I do
that other people haven't done. It's just the fact that
I managed to mix it in so well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Look, we're gonna find out on Saturday. This might be
completely too much hype too early, but from what we've
seen of him, it's super, super impressive. I can't wait
to see it on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
I'm hyped again. I'm not really to me. Saturday's result
is not so much in question. I guess we'll see
but let's see what it happens afterwards. Are they going
to strap a rocket to this kid's back and make
him do stuff before he's ready? I don't know. I
don't know, or maybe or maybe or maybe he's ready,
who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
You know, he's a ten to one as high as
a twelve to one betting favorite against the durable Dillian White,
So we're gonna see. And you know, he said to
himself to me, he said, look, I might not deserve
Whosick next if I win this, because he mentioned that
Joseph Parker and Ajit Kabayel have you know, done some
big things lately. But he said, it's not about what
you deserve, it's about what you negotiate. So we'll see
if Turkey picks him out of the group and puts

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Time to get into a fans segment for This Monday
where every Sunday night at morning combat on X and

(01:40:12):
Instagram we offer you an opportunity to get your questions
answered and maybe hear a donkey e jack. This is
called MS from donks. Very regrettable sound there, let's hear
from our first fan. What do you got for us, folks?

(01:40:32):
This one's from Tactical Underscore Athlete Underscore Motivation. With Luke's
comments about Fluffy potentially fighting for a title in twenty
six or twenty seven, this is, of course Anthony Hernandez.
Do you think it might be expedited with the dominance
of de Ledese? Maybe early twenty six? Now we hit
that off the top, Luke. But you're telling me you

(01:40:54):
would not be shocked if he fights the winner of
Saturday's Man Event.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
How can you? How can you look what he did
to Deleds and be like, oh, it's inconceivable he would
fight for a title soon, Like obviously that now is
very much brought into clear view, Like he's one of
these guys who can do it, So it's just a
question of you know, again, the other part here be
seeing part of what part of why I was heston

(01:41:18):
was I wasn't sure about his upside. And then the
other one is, again we've talked about earlier, he's not
a great self promoter. These things affect you, These things
affect how you can get picked. But you know, b C.
Like if they do another notechay card, where would he
fit on that? You know what I mean? Like, there's
ways in which he could fit in to a broader
set of circumstances that he could get the not I

(01:41:40):
just don't see how he doesn't fight for a title
at some point. I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Do you like his tats?

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
The one on his I'd have to take a closer
look a bunch of them, I don't. I don't like
owls on the chest. I'm not a big owl chest guy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
But you're more of like Chip and ze on the chest.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
I don't you talking about Connor?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Yeah, I'm talking about Connor.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
Yeah, that's a gorilla. That's not a chimpanzee.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Sorry, Luke, Okay, I mean you know where I come from.
It's kind of close similar.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Right, Yeah, I mean okay.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Yeah, I mean they're animals lucas where I come from,
all right, I mean you know, crocodile, alligator, same thing
to me, okay, really.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Yeah, no, I mean I I yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Okay, there you go. Second one here is from Pat
McCann thirty four, echoing my thoughts exactly. Luke has middleweight
become a top three UFC division with the young talent
coming through.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Top three. I don't know, because what do you got?
You got forty five fifty five?

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I like fifty five and seventy as the two best.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Yeah, then I would hold seventy Yeah, one forty five
to one seventy I think is the sweet spot.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Bandam weight still kind of rules.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Right, Banda Wade's also Benda wet. You could throw bandonweight
in there as well. So like to me, it's thirty
five to eighty five is obviously where Emma is great.
Everything after that is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Just long on. Look, what do you got for top three?

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
I would just looking and I want to be like,
featherweight's kind of stagnant right now, or.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Well, vandom weight's kind of games there, but stagnant is
a strong word.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Bandom weight, I sink corrected because you got Morob taken
on Cory, but then like Morobs beat everyone after that,
and it's kind of just like it's all the same guys.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
Yeah, you know, it's a really bad division. Heavyweight, women's bandamweight,
women's featherweight, women's strawweight, these days, light heavyweight. There you go.
Third ones from short Underscore Fluke, which iteration of UFCS
hundreds do you think will be the last you cover? Okay,

(01:43:37):
so they're talking about these sort of anniversary big number
cards like UFC one hundred and two hundred, which one
will be the last that we each cover as media
four hundred, five hundred, six hundred or one thousand?

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
I mean definitely not a thousand. You can write that
one off.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
But these come on quick pretty quick with thirteen a year, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
They not that quickly? I mean U two thousand, two
hundred was twenty sixteen, UFC three hundred was twenty twenty four, right, no, no, no,
when was UFC I'm sorry, when was UFC two hundred?

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
That was about a year or two ago, twenty four
April twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Now two hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Oh two hundred was July of sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Yeah, so you have twenty nine, twenty sixteen, then twenty
twenty four was three. Yeah, I mean it might be
a while. I mean for four, I'll probably be there.
I don't know after that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
I don't know after that, right, what will you be
doing at UFC five hundred watching from home? Luke Thomas
gets political? Or maybe Luke runs for the local office.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
By that way, Yeah, Luke Thomas runs for office and
loses and then just moves to a cabin in the woods,
never to be seen again.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
You should be full John fetterman when you do run
for office and just like wear like sweats and just
cropped us to everybody as you walk by.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Just look like a useless ogre everywhere I go.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Yes, that's great. That guy's an American hero in so
many ways, although I don't even know about his politicy.
Do you support that man's politics?

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
No, he got brain damage and then turned into a
fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
So okay, here we go. There's a little preview of
Luke Thomas getting political. Our next one is from an
MVP in these parts Flannels and JITs a jujudor himself.
What inspired you to start covering MMA and boxing? Was
there a particular fighter event that made you fall in
love with the sport as a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Like I said, I grew up watching it in the
late nineties. I didn't catch it early mid mid to
late nineties. I caught up with it, kind of fell
out a little bit during college, and then picked it
back up right after that and then moved back to
DC and started training. And then that just set off
a revolution in my life, I said, in my life
has never been the same since.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
I had very early boxing fandom from the Rocky movies
through a very important fight, which was sugar Y Leonard
against Marvin Hagler in eighty seven that my dad, not
a sports fan, bought the pay per view, had a
party at my in my grandparents' basement, invited all his
friends from work. So I got to feel at the
age of like seven in or eight, that that big

(01:46:01):
fight feel and uh and see a you know, a
contentious decision that people were debating. But you know, I
came in and out as a fan for years, I
think I don't know it was I always say it
was me putting on the gloves, in the headgear and
sparring regularly. In two thousand and four that that reactivated
a hardcore thing that led me less than a decade
letter to writing about boxing on a on a you know,

(01:46:23):
on a full time level, or not a full time
level at that point, but on a large level at ESPN.
So I'm totally going to credit that path you have
c like you, Luke, I was watching the on on
illegal cable boxes, the early pay per views like UFC three, four,
five six like that. I never thought I'd be an
MMA media member, but here we are. You know, you
never know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Life takes funny turns.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Yeah, why are we covering it? Because it's our passion,
this is our life, this is the spirit we bring
to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
You know, that's right, that has to be explained. But
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Number five, our last one from probably Brian who spells
it like a why, which is just absurd. Who are
your top three musical artists to listen to? Let's say,
in general, like of this modern era? Who are our
top Who are your top three artists?

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
I can only listen to say who I'm listening to?
In rotation? Now? How about that? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
The new Clips album is unbelievable good. I can't believe
how good that album is. It's so slick and well produced.
So there's that. I'm gonna say. Harm's Way is kind
of like this sort of like hardcore band that I
found that I really like. Throwing a little Trapped under
Ice is another one that I like a lot too,

(01:47:36):
and then what's a third one? You know what, I've
been digging back into the crates SPEC's. I've mentioned this
many times on MK, but it you know, it just
never seems to go out of style. Cameron, I'm a
big camera on guy, dude. I mean, I just there's
so many hits that have so many gems in the
in the lyrics. That's where I'm at these days.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
All right, I'm listening to Bright Eyes obsessively. Again. I
was a big twenty years ago and now I can't
get out. I'm massive on Deep Purple. I'm deep diving
from start to finish. They change your lineup every three years.
It's wild and aggressive. I love it. And I would say,
you know, I'm a massive traffic fan with Steve Winwood Luke.

(01:48:15):
You know, I live in the sixties and seventies in
my basement, so those are maybe maybe Joe Walsh and
the and the the James Gang as well. It's been
a big part of my life lately, but I'm all
over the place. I got genres coming out of genres,
but these are these are the lives we live. We love.
Music is my life, Luke. Okay, it's your passion, it's

(01:48:36):
my passion. Thank you very much. All right, that's our
our DMS from dunks. A reminder that you can reach
out to our program at Morningcombat at gmail dot com.
We won't have fan subs or dead wrongs this week,
but you people have been on fire with the fans subs,
so keep up the great work. We'll be back with
those next week. Don't show Mikey your butthole, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
You, all right, show him your cock and balls.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
We got one more segment for you, and I mean
it's it's fan frea fantastic because every Sunday I scour
the globe for the highs and lows, the good, the bad,
the ugly from the worlds of combat sports and beyond.
This one's called BC's feces. Luke, would you say I've

(01:49:24):
been on a run lately or what are we stagnant?
Where are we at?

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
You know you're above ufc apex, but you're not pay
per view.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
All right, let's see what grade you'll give me today
Weekend Combat roundup time. Angela Hill had a moment at
the weigh ins. Luke, let's watch this. I mean, she's
she's trolling, but this is interesting, Luke, what do you
make of it?

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
Handing it to the old white guy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
He probably sniffed those things, pulling those fake little uh
bra implants out and then acting embarrassed. She's a she's
a treasure even though she lost.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
Yeah she lost, but you know what a unique personnel
in the sport, to be sure, and.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
That was a fun little action fight. And she's forty
years old. She's gonna like redefine longevity in the female game.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Right for sure already has.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Yeah, Holly Holm as well, although she's getting back into
boxing now. BKFC Edmonton happened and check out this way
in between people named Santiago and Steve.

Speaker 12 (01:50:23):
What a good time we're gonna have tomorrow. As you
can see, ladies and gentlemen, the fireworks and getting these
two apart. It looks a lot trickier than it is
in the middleweight division.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
Drew Stevie and Will.

Speaker 12 (01:50:39):
Santiago, This looks like a fight, you do not want.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
To miss.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Now we did miss it, but to that Yary Jerry, Yeah,
you're right, that does have those vibes. Did that make
you want to watch the fighter?

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
No? No, no, I have a family.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
All right, all right, let's go to Chinese regional mma
where yeah, anything can happen. Luke, watch this gentleman try
to celebrate a win. What do you think is gonna
happen here?

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Okay? All right, guys, alright, all right, guys, don't concuss
yourself in a sport where you get concussed. Please please
listen to me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Uh Luke, remember on Saved by the Bell where they
had that recurring bit where screech would be like in
the locker and then they'd open the door and he'd
say something funny and they close it. They do that
in the UFC. Now watch your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
I'm not five. How was that? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
Okay, all right, first.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
Question, if you're not five, how is that funny? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Look, I don't know. You know, I used to be
uh certified with a jack in a factory and a forklift.
Watch this fella get all jacked up. You know he's
moved big product.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
All right, all right, he's got the little.

Speaker 13 (01:52:04):
Oh my god, oh god, wow, No, yeah, where's oh
Jesus wow, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Luke, would you say Babe Ruth still has an argument
to be baseball's goat? Or did Barry Bonds eclipse him? Maybe? Yeah,
let's check out this Babe Ruth moment.

Speaker 7 (01:52:27):
Now batting number three, Babe Ruth, here's the pitch strike one.

Speaker 11 (01:52:35):
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa blue whoa whoa whoa?

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
What is the picture plat?

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
I mean, that's just you know, it's a fair recreation.
If if Babe Ruth had played in modern times, right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
He would be asking questions, you know he would.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
All right, Well, speaking of baseball, it's time to head
out to the old ball game. Watch this Indians fan
try to catch a home run.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Okay, he gets halfway through, then dawas is that lady? Yeah? Yeah,
take that?

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Yeaheah. Do you think that's his significant other or just some.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Broad, just some broad, he's just pointer. Take that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Yankees had Old Timer's Day over the weekend, where Mario
Revera Mariano Rivera tore his acl But we also found
a new mythical creature called wash Johnny Damon, Luke, tell
me about that?

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Is that Johnny Damon?

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
It really is bro No, literally unrecognizable.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Dude. Why is his face the size of the moon.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
It's the size of my head. I mean it's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Yeah, dude, I'm not even kidding. It looks like someone
put a rubber mask on a pumpkin.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
He's eating good Luke with that caveman hair. That's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
I mean I can't. I mean, after you know, after
going to uh Portugal and then the beach, I've been
eating like like he's going on a style too, so
I can hardly talk. But he's If you had told
me that's Johnny Damon, I would not have like, like,
I just that is a it's a real fat man
right there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Yeah. I hope he's not sick. And now I'll have
to feel bad for showing that look, but you know,
fuck him. I once went to when I was a
high school sports reporter for a newspaper. I once had
a game in Stanford, but then it rained out, so
I just kept driving to the Mets game. I bought
a six pack and drank it on the way, and
then I went to a game alone, moved my seat around,
spent two hundred dollars on food, and then got ejected

(01:54:25):
for talking about jose Mesa's mother while he was warming
up in the bullpen, and he gave me the blowjob
sign to try to and then he called with on
the bullpen phone security to remove me. That reminded me
of this clip with Pirates Tommy fam Yeah, yeah, I
take that fans right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
That's how we greet each other in the Thomas household.
Let me make no mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
I mean, look, is that lame at age twenty two
to go to a game alone and get loaded?

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
The former you admitted on cameradges now to drinking and
driving was a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I mean it was like when I got to the
parking lot.

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
Yeah right right right, not on the way.

Speaker 5 (01:54:59):
For sure, you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Would do that in two thousand and one. I mean
that'd be so awful. Luke. Let's go to a We
unlocked a new comic book hero for you. His name Volcanos.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
He strikes with living lava. Yeah, this is me after
Taco Bell.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Yeah yeah, that is uh?

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Or is he just shitting blood? We don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
That could be just like you right there. Let's go
over to New York City. They got construction. Check out
this sign.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Cock and balls.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
I mean, you don't hate that, right? Come on?

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
New York is the best. I fucking love New York, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Would you say the worst place to be is anywhere
near NFL fans?

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Yes? I mean, and you go to an NFL game,
you're white trash. I'm sorry. All right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Check out this fight between a Ravens fan and two
Commanders fans.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
So I actually have a story about this. This is
an old one. This was after the commander. Yeah, this
after the Commanders. So this dude in the Ravens Jersey
they found him. Oh, and he was charged with multiple
crimes for doing this. Would it surprise you BC that
he ended up being a finance bro and a trust
fund kid? Would that surprise you?

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Was he part of this w NBA dildo crypto scam
or what?

Speaker 5 (01:56:13):
Look?

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
He looks like he would be the first guy at
the front lines of an NBA w NBA dildo crypto scamp.
But he got his The law enforcement got him. So
shouts to that piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
All right, would you hang out with these New England
Patriot fans by any chance?

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
I'll make an exception in their case.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
That guy in the tied eye. That's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
I'll make an exception, dude. I like how they didn't
even bring like a pen. They just brought pure flower
and then Jerry rigged the Michelo Ultrick bottle to get
it done.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
I have done that in the upper deck of Yankee
Stadium before.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
I mean, are you really yeah, of course, I mean
I've brought I've brought the pen to the stadium before,
but I've never brought flower. Never.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
Okay, Okay, different people, Luke, Let's go to Cowboys wide receiver.
Here's an NFL bonus clip CD lamp. Watch out for
that referee.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Bro cde lamb Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
I see turn off the lamp. Now, Luke lights out. Wow,
that is fantastic right there. I don't really watch much
NFL these days. Okay, Luke, Suffolk County.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
One of the stars of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
But okay, Luke, Suffolk County of New York is getting
excited about usay's two hundred and fiftieth celebration come this
July fourth. This was actually a press conference listening.

Speaker 5 (01:57:34):
This is my county.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
By the way, It's gonna be a gang bang like
you have never seen we've been send off the rockets.
We're going to enjoy all independence.

Speaker 10 (01:57:46):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Hell yeah brother, heyng Luke, you're gonna go to the
Gang Bang. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:57:55):
Me and Frovolo will both be there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
Did we sell like Bob Arab never screwed so many
women in my.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
Life, so many broads.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
It was a two day augy. It was great stuff.
All right, what else we got here? Let's go down
to uh hey, the whole Hogan tributes continued. Did you
see the day of his funeral that the clouds look
like it was doing the Hogan pose? You didn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
H once again? I'm not five?

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Oh sorry? Okay, Well here's the hard Rock Cafe paying
tribute to Hulk.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
Hogan hard R. Okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
Okay, he got a little pop from me. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Time for your KOs of the week. NASCAR's Connor Zillish
chaoted himself and broke his collarbone after winning an Exfinity
Series race. I've never seen anything like this before, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Oh my god, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Yeah? That's maybe they should get NASCAR doors that open.
How about that guy's Okay, why are we doing dukes
of Hazzard style.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Dude, did he tear his kneet? Go show it one more?
Did he tear his knee to.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
Brook his collar bone and and was knocked out?

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Okay, so watch it. He slips there by the way
he slips on that rubber already and then sure enough
slips again.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Good lord.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Oh and he did the he did the I'm not
trying to you know, I'm not trying to hate, but
he did the two tongue of ilow of fencing bit.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
You know, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
The broadcast too, so they they were the commentators were
like awkwardly like, oh uh, just got away from it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Let's go to commercial. Yeah, all right, Luke watched this
motorcycle debut did dispute Excuse me? It looks like South America,
but it gets wild, you know, the classic dude that

(01:59:57):
guy came back to life.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
Somebody he had to get it though. He's like, you
just hit the guy with the crutches. Somebody's gonna get it.
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
All right, Good news this week. Do you remember former
Morning Combat social media engineer Brendan Lynch. Of course, he's
like a poor man's Gordon, but he's like ripped his
shit he got his Brazilian Jesuits black belt this week
in Los Angeles. Look at that handsome, tanned fellow. And
in the comments congratulating was not only Christian Daguerro of

(02:00:29):
Amateur Mma fame, but Ac Slater. And here's a picture
of Mario Lopez and the aforementioned Brendan Lynch. Hey shout
out to that fellow, right, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
Amazing. I think he was like a blue or purple
belt when he worked with us, so he flew up
the ranks. Good for him, man, I.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
Hope he gets chicks too. I mean that guy, ow,
well done, Lynch.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
Why don't you go have sex with him? And Bretto Kamoto?
Well you want to be in the human Centipede. But
between the o Kamotos and the Lynches.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
Well, currently I'm the meat and a Sawolf fan sandwich.
But I'm also married. Look please, okay, here you go,
all right? Thank you? Uh, Luke, let's honor, honest? Abe?
Maybe my favorite President Abraham Lincoln. You a big fan
of him.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
Okay, Well, here's an impression of him.

Speaker 12 (02:01:13):
This is my impression of Abraham Lincoln carrying two very
full cups.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Of water wait, hold on, shot late.

Speaker 14 (02:01:24):
Sorry, that's good. God right, that's good, not bad.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
I don't know where he ranks in your favorite President countdown,
but here's here's somebody who's ranking Lincoln just the same,
ranking every US president by how much I want to
go to the theater with them coming in At last place,
we have Abraham Lincoln. That guy gets me every time.
Apparently I'm alone, all right. Clothing Items of the week.
Here's the best T shirt I can find.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
I may not go down in history, but I'll go
down on your Okay, geez.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Fuck, here's the runner up, Luke, What did you like this? Better?

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
War bad? Boob's good? Yeah, I mean this is a
platform I think we can all get behind, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
Yeah, but here's your Heat of the week, which of
course is honoring two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
Luke, I must be an eighteen year old in two
thousand and one the way I'm ready to die for Bush.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
Luke, speaking of the good old days, do you ever
think about like acquiring old toys that you played with
in the eighties and being like, Twuky, this is what
we used to have, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
Sort of, But I mean it's hard to do that
with a little girl.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
But yeah, all right, do you remember a view masters
that you put them on your eyes and you put
the thing you got to get these for twoky.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Luke crime scene photos?

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
Well you know, I mean that's aggressive faces of death? Okay, okay,
do we have one more? I don't know, okay, okay,
all right, alright, alright, alright, all right, speaking of never
forgetting Luke, check out this tribute tattoo. This is not
a joke. This is a a real thing. Are you
forard or against it?

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
I'm against that. That is a ship tattoo, if ever
there was one.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
All Right, I mean, do you think people can honor
nine to eleven or is it always?

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
I mean, it's possible to honor that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
All right. Check out this Japanese restaurant. They are honoring
nine to eleven here on the sushi menu, of course,
with the if you're con zuoming a little more, oh
the twin tower roll, Luke, you into that?

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
What was on it?

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Can we see one more time?

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
Here?

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
Long?

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
Is you're a way to pose it? I don't know
if there's a way to pause it.

Speaker 5 (02:03:35):
There's not a way to pause it. It's said shrimp
tempura well.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
Okay, I mean I'd eat it. I'd eat it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Speaking of food tributes for nine to eleven, Luke, check
out this pancakes place.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
I took down the towers and under, Okay, in under, I.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
Mean that's aggressive.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
There.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
I don't do. There was a debate raging on Twitter,
like political Twitter, like a month ago and one per
Someone's arguing like, guys, I don't know if you know this,
but like nine to eleven, humor is everywhere, and everyone
in the comments was like, that's absolutely not true. And
I'm like, I know for a fact it's true. I
couldn't believe that there were people like aggressively saying that
it wasn't true. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:04:15):
I don't understand it at all, to be honest. All right,
let's go to this guy's wedding. Here, watch the best man, Luke.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
He's the test one. We see this one. Yeah, this
is the rerun his pants fall down?

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Oh god, see you now I'm getting caught the reruns.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
All right, pants up, fella father.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
Finally, Luke, we know that you're like the late Kobe Bryant.
You are a hashtag girl dad. You ever just race Tukes,
just you know, just for fun. Sure, Okay, watch this dad,
He's a great dad here. Wow, Wow, Luke, that's all

(02:04:53):
the ship I can handle this week.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
All right, Well he's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
I mean, come on, that's a big that's a B
plus with my shoes.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Yeahs plus, I'll give you that. We go for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:05:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
One more reminder, folks, Morning Combat's August exclusive merchandise available
right now exclusively at Morningcombat Dot Shop until the end
of the month or until they last. You can get
the Morning Combat Beavis and butt Head T shirt. The
vaping is for closers and ho how about the autographed
super wash Dad's posters with BC and LT's signature on there.

(02:05:25):
We have less than five to go to get those
off the shelves and get ready for next month. Also,
we've got some evergreen items. You can get hats, you
can get a lot of things, and most importantly, folks,
in this era of MK merch you can change the
colors on the T shirts to match your personality. Check
it all out at Morningcombat Dot Shop. Great shit, right there? Look,

(02:05:46):
anything else you want to tell these fine people?

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
See All Thursday, See All Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Yeah. Pregame preview UFC three nineteen eleven am Eastern Time
on YouTube this Thursday live for Manhattan in UFC Lightweight.
Matt Fravola joining us. You can like and subscribe, by
the way, if you haven't, please this does help the
show go a long way. We'll see what the paramount
era of UFC looks like. But you know we're gonna
be there along the ride with you. You can check

(02:06:15):
out our extended channels and Luke Luke of the Long
Island fame like, are you pretty fired up for for
Vola this Thursday?

Speaker 10 (02:06:23):
Or what?

Speaker 5 (02:06:24):
Pretty fired up for that?

Speaker 4 (02:06:25):
I'm even more fired up for UFC three nineteen and
Contender Series starts tomorrow. I'll be doing a watch along
for that if anyone wants wow Contender series.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
L T your thoughts on his boyfriending.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
He's the worst boyfriend I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
Okay, I mean, you know, I mean a war machine
wasn't great to be fair, you know what I mean,
Ray Caruth not a good boyfriend right now?

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
Boyfriend? All right?

Speaker 2 (02:06:50):
For Long Island Luke and LT i'm BC. Thank you
very much for joining us. Luke Thomas, do you have
any special three nineteen content this week? For the people.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
Yeah, I mean I'm gonna be doing a watch along
for the full thing, the full main card on Saturday.
I'll have I think I'm working on a uh there's
a lot of shit going on now, but working on
a bit of a breakdown for that. I'll definitely have
one after the fight. So yeah, stay tuned. A lot
of stuff coming your way.

Speaker 2 (02:07:14):
If they ever asked you nicely, would you attend Just
Bleed Radio.

Speaker 1 (02:07:18):
Yeah, sure, shout out those mouth don't get fed though.

Speaker 2 (02:07:22):
You know, Danger Mouse and David Sandin of Expensive Women Fame.
All right, that's all we got. We love you guys.
Take care of yourself, take care of it up here. Uh,
that's it, the end of the show. See you later.

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