Volk Reclaims Title, Paddy Shines, Mitchell Choked Out, UFC 314 Recap | Morning Kombat

On today’s show, the fellas recap all things UFC 314, including Volk reclaiming the featherweight title, Paddy big brothering Chandler and Jean Silva’s dominant win over Bryce Mitchell.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at this now, temptae.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Jesus, do you want.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's time to bang?

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Oh, we haven't slept and we're old.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's gonna be a cranky edition of uf C three.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Fourteen Morning Combat. Hi, everybody, my name is Luke Thomas.
I am merely one half of your hosting duo, joined
by a shaved Brian can't no, wait a second, I
know that face. It's the iceman, Chuck Mindenhall. What's up,
Chuck benden Hall.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
That BC takes a lot of vacations, man, but I'm
not complain. That's all the only reason I even get
in here is one of you guys has to be vacationing.
So I'll take it. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Well, we love you, welcome back. Nice to see you.
And I've asked it before the show. Were you weren't
in Miami? But just not for the fights.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I was in Miami early fight week before anybody else
got there, so I was. I I'm working on a piece,
so I got out there early for it. When is
this piece coin to debut? It will debut this not
this week, but next week. Yeah, it's on the fighting nerds.
I can I can talk. I can't wait to see it,
but not everybody was there, so I kind of had
to push it off, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
All right, very good, Well, welcome, Nice to have you,
and we have a lot to get to today. Obviously
we all know the score here. It's going to be
I'm look at it, this one or this one, this one,
UFC three fourteen Extravaganza. We're gonna get through all of
the main card, the big parts of the premium card,
and everything else in between.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Now, now let's set this up.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
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Speaker 1 (01:58):
What is your social well, I mean it's just exis
the primary one where I post the pieces. So it's
just at Chuckman and all right, there we go, and
you're at uncrowd for folks who don't know, and that's
up at the beginnings. Yep, very good. Did you enjoy
the fights, Chuck? I did you know? Sometimes you get
these fight cards on paper that look like they're going
to be really good, and sometimes you're like, well, I

(02:19):
was maybe over hyping this type of thing, but I
thought this one really delivered. Man. I thought that we
saw a little bit of everything, some old guns that resurface,
some old guns that just looked old, and then you
had some guys who really broke through. So I thought
it out about everything.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know, we certainly we certainly, you know, up until
the main event, I'm like, dude, the elderly are just
getting handled here.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
But then honestly, in the main event, Bulk was able
to do to turn things around.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Let me remind everyone, So how about this Long Island
Luke and I, Yes, the two of us, the two
Luke's Luke Squared. We're gonna do a mail bag episode
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(03:02):
gmail dot com. Let us know what you got on
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pretty soon, so get those in asap if you would
be so inclined, we'd love you for that as well.
I also want to remind everyone today's episode is presented
by our friends at DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours, Chuck.
I'm ready to talk about r n C three one four.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Sorry? Did I say r n C? I meant m
A g A three one four? Sorry? Did I say
m A g A three one four? I met? I
met cp A C three one four? Sorry? Did I
say that? I meant g OP three one four? Oh no,
wait a second, I met UFC. I knew you'd get it.
Sometimes it's hard to tell the Tega slot machine. You're
just waiting for the right onesale line. I'm just saying,

(03:41):
I got to get my glasses on. I'm like, what
about Okay, there are fights. Sorry, I couldn't quite tell
sometimes to put these back on. After all, my all
my skits. Oh no, my thing fell off. I'll have
to get that later. Hang on, here we go, all right?
Speaking of aged Yeah and uh and wash and washed.
It's like my hook for my bicycles came off. All right.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
With that out of the way, let's get this show
started if we can. All right, topic number one, Let's
get right to it. Let's start with that main event, which,
of course, we saw an impressive and important result on
Saturday night, as Alexander Volkanowski reclaimed the UFC featherweight title
with a unanimous and I would say decisive decision victory

(04:25):
over Diego Lopez Chuck.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
In so doing, he.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Broke the over thirty five year old barrier. They called
it a curse. It is not a curse.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
It was just a stat line. I feel like, did
you introduce this stat or you least made it popular?
I made it popular, okay. I did not come up
with it, okay, but I signal boosted it. I just
know I got associated. Everybody references this now, which is
which is a good thing, because it's a legit stat.
We run up against it all.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
And even though he broke it, even though broke it
on Saturday, it's still a pretty useful measure. But he
broke that. And he also became the first UFC fighter
to win an undisputed title after back to back losses.
So I gave you those two kind of milestones, Chuck.
How do you contextualize the significance or the importance of
this win in Volkanovsky's career.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I think it's a testament, honestly to first of all,
to not get too into those types of numbers, right,
if you're an older fighter, maybe you need to just
believe what you gotta believe. But the bigger issue here
for me, and this was something that Vulk had not
done through the previous bunch of years of his career,
Like he was averaging two and a half to three
fights even through his title run. And I think that

(05:35):
taking that was a fourteen month period to just kind
of let everything pass, get his mind right. Because if
your recall even going into his those back to back knockouts,
when he was going into I think it was the
second fight there, he was just saying, or maybe it
was right after, he was basically saying that his mind
was didn't want to be idle. He liked to have

(05:55):
something when he feared almost kind of not having something
to do. That's always a red flag for these fighters.
I felt like he got his mind right. That it
was a crazy thing mind and spirit. You know, he
kind of took that time off. I think he heard
all the criticisms and he just he took it in stride.
He kept pointing out, like you have every right to
be doubting me going into this fight. You know, to me,

(06:16):
that was just a very realistic approach. I did not
expect him to show up in the form he did,
but the fact that he did, I think really is
kind of a testament to like just how good of
a fighter and how strong he is mentally to come
back and not just put on that performance. I was
wondering if there'd be a feeling out period, if he'd
worried about his chin, if he'd be a little gun shy,
things like that. Did you see any of that in evidence?

(06:38):
I thought he looked like vintage Bolkanovski from the opening
belt all the way to the end.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
We have a comment that he makes on overcoming adversity.
I want you to get it, to react to it.
But let's hear what he had to say. This is
not the one from Joe Rogan. This is the one
that came afterwards at the postfight press conference.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
But I mean, it was funny before I went out
of saying, like I promised, you know, I do my
walk around the mat while I'm warming up, and I
always say, you know, you know, there's no way that
they're taking this away from my family. It's what I
would say, like, you know, when I had the belt
and I'm like and I sort of said that at
the start. Today, Like while I was walking around, I

(07:17):
was like, I promise my girls, I'll bring the belt back.
And then I'm like, it's not about bringing the belt back,
like I even said it in there, I go, well,
it's not about bringing the belt back. It's about overcoming
this adversity. You know, these two losses, the break I had.
You know a lot of people are going to think
I'm done. You're thirty first, six years old. That is
more important, you know me, you know, showing my kids,

(07:39):
you know what you could be capable of when people
are counting you out and every people and I said
to you is all week. Everyone has every right to
count me out, you know, coming off two losses, big break,
thirty six years old, young, hungry, dangerous guy. And I
told you, like, hey, I'm the guy to you know,
you can definitely think that you have every right until
I change your mind. Hopefully I changed your mind. And yeah,

(08:02):
I think there's more of a message in aval of
that than just taking the boat back to the family.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
The best champions that I've ever covered in my entire life,
they have a couple of things going for them. Jump
One is keen self awareness, including their own limitations, right,
including their own mortality, not literally, but you know, including
their own failure and what that has done to them.
But the same ones also just have this relentless optimism

(08:32):
right about. Okay, those things can be true and we
cannot ignore them. But those are not reasons to stop.
Those are not reasons to give in. Those are not
reasons to detour here or be deterred. Ookanowski's got all
of that.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
And then some. And you've talked about this a lot too.
Guys delude themselves in this fight game, a lot to
the point that they actually believe the delusion. They believe
they'll lie at some point along the way and they
can't get back to whatever got them into a good
position to begin with. There was no delusional There was
nothing delusional about what he just said. That means he
was fully aware of his situation and he understood how

(09:06):
he looked to the public. Right. You hear all of
these kind of proverbs about like it's not how many
times you get knocked down, how many times you get
back up. He was a living example of that, right, Like,
I think that that really is when you talk about
I know, we always talk about like Muhammad Ali. Guys
like that who suffered at some point along the way
but yet still went on to become Muhammad Ali. They

(09:27):
didn't do that without the adversity, you know what I mean,
they had to go The reason that they built themselves
into who they became was because of this type of moment.
And I think it carries that kind of significance for
a guy who's thirty six years old. And I mean
we've seen this play out the opposite way and many
times this guy gets knocked out twice after a big run.
You think of guys like Henn and Morale, or just

(09:47):
the guys who are just looking unbeatable until they got
beat and then they were gone. They just kind of
skid it off the face of the earth. This was
the fear with Volkanovsky. For me, I was like, this
could be it where he gets touched, he's going down,
and we just don't see him in that form. This
was a huge defiant moment for him. Man. It was
a crazy sort of declaration of his own self belief too. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
I mean, here's the thing, Like he had a very
big celebration. I don't want to say his celebration was
muted that's not really true, but I thought it actually
be a little bit bigger for how triumphant the moment
it was, and it was relative to that subdued. But
you brought up something I would like to touch on
here a little bit further, which is, you know how
it is you talk to some of these fighters when
they're in their early to mid twenties and they are

(10:30):
out of occupational necessity, right, brainwashing themselves. I'm the best,
I'm the best, I cannot be hurt, I will not
be defeated. And that works for a while, but then
something will happen to them where now they realized everything
that they had told themselves about who they were, or
at least big parts of it, was simply not true.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Right.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
It's easy to coast when you're living off the line,
when you actually believe the things that you're saying, But
then when the world shatters it, how do you pivot?
Guys like that can pivot, And you saw a great
example of that. Now, I do want to say that.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Might extend by the way to them to like even
a microcosm of like you broke down his fights before, HM,
how he pivots within a fight, like sometimes you'll see
him say like, Okay, wait, this thing's not working. You've
you've you've seen him do this where he just kind
of changes up methods a little bit, or starts to
level change more, or he just you see him make
those adjustments. I think that's just his mind is really

(11:24):
to like figure out the full puzzle, you know what
I mean as a whole, even the criticisms of scrutinies,
all that stuff. I think he factors all of that
in until the point you raised there.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
So I'm glad you brought that up because to me,
like my major takeaway about all of this is one
I'm so glad you said it. There is the psychological component,
like would he you know, because it'd be one thing
if he was going for like a wrestling heavy right,
you know.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Like Karlovsky did when he got knocked out all.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
This story, which, by the way, yeah listen, adapting even
to that is hard. Adapting to this new kind of
safe style. Not everybody can even do that. Some guys
just cannot get away from who they are to pivot,
and that kind of way is actually pretty impressive. But
that's not where titles. That's not being in manufacts that's
a very, very different thing in the case of Volkanovsky.
For me, what sets him apart is obviously we've just

(12:08):
talked about his psychological makeup, but the thing that also
marries it alongside is one he I don't know if
you saw that. There was a backstage video of him
talking to Tayo Femo Lopez fight week and Lopez was like,
how long was your camp? But he said sixteen weeks.
Sixteen weeks, that's a fucking insanely long camp. I'm two
and a half camps for most That's it. It's at
least two for most guys. And the other part I

(12:29):
wanted to say was beyond that, he.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Is a technical marvel and I really want to home
in on this one for just a second. Now, what
folks are going to say at your wheelhouse? I like that.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Well, here, it's important to understand because what a lot
of folks will say is well, you know, and they
always talk about it.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I know it's a meme.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
At this point, he was a rugby player. He is
physical for the weight class, despite being somewhat diminutive in stature.
But he's not beating these guys because he has overwhelming
firepower He's not beating them because he has Charles Olavera
level jiu jitsu. He's not beating them because he's, you know,
the reincarnation of Dan Gable. Now, obviously he's good at

(13:06):
all of those things, but what he's really good at
is the glue that holds all of it together, an
absolutely masterful sense of timing, his ability to manipulate real estate, distance, rhythm, disruption.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Dude. I said this on my post fight show, and
I want to bring it up here.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
I'm not saying that there are identical comparisons for many,
many reasons, and Bart that Vulk was trying to get
back her after two losses, but hear me out, the
way in which he fights, to me is very Mayweather esque.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
You know. Mayweather.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Not a dominant punch right, not as fast as Zab
Judah Zab was faster than him, but his ability to outsmart,
create openings, and then just tool guys. Late into his thirties,
it looked like this a little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Y oh smarting thing can't be understated because you could
see it in this fight. Certainly see it in this fight.
Diego Lopez at some point early started to be like,
I don't know I'm overwhelmed on how to It was
like a computer overloading, like he just didn't know what
to do. Is he coming, Is he going to shoot
in on me? Oh, I just ate another jab, the
escalation of the moment, it was all playing into this

(14:13):
role of suddenly he looks like he's gunshy and he's
not in the fight. But so much of that had
to do with Volkanovski, and I think that's what's kind
of crazy. I always think back to that third I
think it was the third Halloway fight where obviously Max
at this point, Hey, you'd already seen him for fifty minutes, Max,
who's one of the more cerebral fighters and knows what

(14:33):
he's doing too. It was like he had him so
solved that he was just beating the beating him every punch,
kind of confounding him in every exchange, you know, like
and almost predicting, Like it was almost like he knew
what Max was going to do at every move. You know,
That sort of out smarting is just you don't see
it in MMA too much. That's a guy who's a
student of the game, who knows how to execute it

(14:54):
once they're in the cage and I saw that against
Diego Man, it was like he was it was like
he had him solved before they ever it made the
first exchange, he already kind knew it. It's Neo reading
the code. Yeah, that's what it sees by the code.
And you could see him when he's snapping off those
quick counters and stuff right away. He knew what to expect,
he knew how to counter. It's just it's a brilliant
thing to watch. And that's when I say, when I

(15:15):
say vintage, I'm like, that's what he does at him
his best, that's what he does, right.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
And I started off by asking about these questions, you know,
breaking the over thirty five barrier, breaking the two losses
into a title undisputed title anyway barrier, because obviously made
a Kutur did it at UFC forty three under an
interim title. But this is the point I want to
make on top of that, of course, is like, how
do you get to that position where you're breaking these records?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
By the way, in the exact same fight, you have
to be ahead of the game. You have to be
ahead of the game. And I know that Taporia has
caught up with him, but relative to the rest of
the field that's out there, look at what you got.
Lopez was as deserving it contenders. This division has surged
up there, beat the bags off of Brian or Taka

(15:58):
in the fight just before this one, and looked deeply
out of his element here. And I was like, you know,
I was one of those guys saying, like, if I'm
Diego Lopez, I go into this fight and I try
to test his chin immediately. I try to overwhelm him immediately,
because maybe that's your best shot. I kept thinking, you know,
if Diego goes past the second round, it starts to

(16:19):
favorite Olkonowski. We've seen him do this before. That means
he's dialed in. He probably he's probably dictating what's happening
now in this fight. But I was like, those first
two rounds me and everything to Diego. He never really
had a chance, man. I mean, I know, he got
like the knockdown late in the second, he had a
couple of moments there, But this was one way traffic
other than the danger of those big shots. That's what
it became down to. You know, it was like ninety

(16:40):
nine percent one way, one percent chance of later or whatever,
and uh, it just it was, it was, it was.
I kept saying masterful, because that's what it seemed to me,
was like a masterclass and how to fight a guy,
you know, like in that situation. So I was one
of those guys who was like, I don't know why.
You know, you watch something like that and he goes
back to his and you're one of those guys is like,
how could I have ever thought that somebody's gonna overwhelm

(17:02):
Volcanovski in a fight like this? You know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
I kind of felt like, let's bring him in here,
our friend from the main cart minute and intrepid producer.
By the way, how'd you do on the betting?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
You you degenerate?

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yah did all right when three for five on the
main had Yayir had the over one and a half
in Patty Chandler and had the over.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Two and a half in the main event.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Okay, so that's not too terrible and bad. What did
you think of Volkanovski's performance?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Anything we've missed here?

Speaker 7 (17:24):
So?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I thought he looked good.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
You're right, he looked vintage vulcan But someone I think
Jed Mishu was saying on the MMA Fighting postfight show,
he was like, it's still that balance of he's either
gonna get fucking flat lined or he's gonna look like veteran.
It's like, dude, he's either going to get knocked out
or he's gonna look fucking awesome. And it's such a
weird conundrum to be like, I don't know how he's

(17:46):
gonna do.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Tonight, but I thought he looked great. I thought our
prefight assessment was pretty correct.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I mean I thought that Lopez would eventually catch him, yeah,
and that would be the end of it.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
But that's what I thought.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
You know, when you look at the tape, it was like, dude,
one of these is better than the other and it's
not very difficult to figure that out. And that's exactly
what you got. And then he got clipped in the second.
The scoring, how did you score this one? I had
it four to one, So.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
The four to one is probably what i'd lean as.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Round two he gets dropped, and round four is the
one where he kind of got the knuckle in the
eye and was kind of scrambling around a.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Little bit for a little while. Only for that reason,
like the damage done in the fourth, that's the round
right that you'd go the other way. But the other three,
the other four were fairly convincing. I know the second
round was the one that was getting people confused, but
if you wash it around, he beats Diego's ass the
whole way until that until that moment. Was that moment
enough to steal the round? I don't think so. So
I had a four to one, Yeah, four to one

(18:36):
for me as well. I thought that that was the
judging was kind of still. I mean, right, guy won,
So I'm not complaining too much, but I hated it.
I hated it. Now, well, I want to talk about
Diego in just a second, all right, because I fucking
hated his performance, and I feel like I'm the only one.
Everyone else is like d he did a great job.
He did not. He did not. However, I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Hold on, there is a bit of a separate conversation Lopez,
excuse me, I'm sorry, Volkanovski and Aldo. And now it's
re raising these questions because again, as I just mentioned,
he broke these kind of two barriers that had held
up against all relevant weight glasses in the fifty five
and downcase for the thirty five and over stat how

(19:14):
do you evaluate who the best for the Waight ever.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Is it's tough because of the Max Holloway kind of exchange. Right, yeah,
and this also Vulcan beat Aldo too. I know true,
that is true, but you know, toward the end, I
don't want to put too many asterisks on all those
things he did beat him. And you also have to
look up both guys are handling themselves that have passed
a certain age the thirty five mark of for instance, well,
now Vulk kind of moves into another space because he

(19:37):
was able to now navigate it and come back and
win the belt the second time. I don't want to
be one of those dudes who just dismisses although you
know what I mean, because for the longest time he
stood as just such like, what was it like nine
years he was undefeated. I think it was almost ten,
almost ten. He had nine defenses. If you go back
to WEC, I think he had a couple of there,

(19:58):
and then all of those for like the first seven
in the UFC he was mister featherweight. And some of
those fights, man, were just so vicious. And you've been
watching him forever there was something about him that really
was like good luck man. So when Connor mcgre The
reason Connor McGregor that thing was so huge because we
couldn't conceive of that happening to Jose Although, you know,

(20:19):
I think down the stretch beyond that is probably where
it gets murky, because although is not able to say
he's been fine, like he's had some good fights and
he's still fighting, is still making a career, but at
the same time, he never really kind of recaptured that
that mystique, whereas Vulk just did. I think if Volk
is able to kind of run this a little ways,
maybe have a defense or two, I would have no

(20:41):
problem call him the best. That's how good he is.
I think he's that good now where he's at least
in the conversation. I was always hesitant to put him
in that all those sphere because I have so much
respect for what he did, although that it seemed kind
of impossible, But I think Vulk is now on that
cusp of passing him.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
I feel like I'm taking a cop out here because
I'm splitting the difference, which is to me, like when
we're evaluating who the best ever is in a weight class,
that the answer is going to be down to weight
class dominance, and obviously Aldo has had some losses since
his peak.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
But to the point you raised, I watched every fight
I've watched Aldo. When he fought Pcano Nogera, wow, who
the fuck saw that one? I saw that one.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
I did not see that one right, and he beat
the shit out of him. And Keno Nogara had a
lot of hype coming in the fight because he had
one of the nasty guillotines and was this, you know,
hype prospect coming out of Brazil. And Aldo smashed him
and then went on one of the most legendary runs
I've ever seen a fighter go on. It's hard for
me to overlook that, but I will say this. You know,
Aldo had amazing leg kicks, and you know what, Aldo

(21:38):
was just, you know, a primo level athlete when he
was at his peak. And Volcus too, but not the
kind of explosive, like springy, like feline like you know
Yoel Romero athlete in the way that.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
That Mendez knock out where he went like went into
the crowd afterwards in Brazil. Yeah, he didn't have he
doesn't have that. But in terms of the thing we
mentioned seeing the code in the game, I think folk
is the most talented featherweight I've ever seen. I think
he's that.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
I think he's like the guy I've never seen a
guy who can master the It's not just strategy, Yeah,
it's not just tactics. It's not just the specific skills.
It's the manipulation of the conditions under which they are engaging. Yes,
and that are so difficult to do.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
And in a world and I mean obviously the parody
I guess, or the well roundedness of guys who now
train in all disciplines and get good at everything volt's
beIN in that era, that's a lot tougher. I know that,
Like I don't want to like that's what makes it
hard sometimes to do like who's better this guy or
this guy? Although fought the best guys, some of those
guys were beasts, you know, and seem like they would

(22:39):
have his number. Like Mendes felt like one of those
guys who might have his number, just the way he fought,
but he couldn't beat him. But you look at like
Vulk and some of the guys he's beating, especially in
the in the trilogy obviously with Holloway, just the way
that he got better in those trilogies, and when Max
is a cerebral fight himself, I mean, that's got to
stand for something, man. And the fact that Max went
on to have post yeah, post vulgar glory exactly, you

(23:03):
know what I mean, he wasn't. He didn't. He didn't
just ride off into the sunset. That guy got back
on the wall. True, you know, so it ages extremely well, right,
but uh, you know, but although I give him, give
him his flowers, for as long as he stayed in
there and all those you know, we we think about
this a lot with GSP. It takes a lot to
stay in there for nine title defenses. Man, we just
talked about deluding yourself. That's what happens a lot of

(23:24):
these guys. They think they're invincible at some point. Somehow
his upbringing and everything over and you know, the coaches
and everybody who was around at Nova and Yao and
his story kept him grounded to just show up in
the most vicious form every time I think VOLC is there.
But I mean you you have to kind of look
at it from two different prisms, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
I mean the thing for Aldo is like, Aldo's the
kind of guy I don't want to say he doesn't
have high level skill. Obviously he's got extraordinary skill, but
he's a little bit more stand a post and then
welcome attacks. Yeah, whereas Vulcan is like, right, so we're
not going to play that game. The game we're going
to play is I'm going to define the terms of
engagement and you are going to responds. It's a completely
different order of fighting, all right. With that being said,

(24:02):
we have to talk. Oh by the way, actually we
have Volk paying respect to Aldo. Let's let's see that
this point.

Speaker 8 (24:07):
You know, it's been talked about many times over the years,
like the featherweight goat discussion and where you fit in.
I know you've kind of always deferred it to other
people to talk about that. But with this win tonight,
you now trail Jose Aldo by just one title fight victory,
and for so long that record felt unattainable. Right, if
you can have the second title reign, get a defense
something he did not do, do you think that closes

(24:28):
the discussion?

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Again, that's not not up to me. I'll might just
keep doing what I'm doing. I got this new title
rain and yeah put it so I'll just make a
half of people to not choose me. I guess you
know what I mean then you know, so I'll just
it's not me. I'm not going to call for anything.
Aldo is an absolute legend. He's done great things. I

(24:49):
know I've done great things for absolute legends.

Speaker 7 (24:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
The the resume I have is a pretty impressive, same
as the Aldos. But I mean that, you know, he's
obviously had so many defenses. I'd love to get that many.
But yeah, having luck in a free winds over Max
and all that is just bloody. That's That's what's something
that I'm like, Do I need so many defenses?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
But we'll get the defenses and and then we'll see.
But again, now that I don't like talking about it
because I've got so much respect for al though. When
I say he's Ago, because that's the respect I have.
And I'll let other people choose you.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
They think, Yeah, pretty fair.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, I like I like the I like the That's
a good way to split the difference there. Yeah, all right,
let's talk about Diego Lopez here for oh, you know
what I'm saying. We'll get to we'll come back to
Vulcan just a minute. Let's talk about Diego Lopez. I
fucking hated this performance from him. Now, understanding he's up
against a technical marvel, you know, we have to be forgiving,
and I'm trying to be forgiving. Can I tell you

(25:48):
what bothered me so much about this performance?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
All right? Number one glasses? Because I was just watching
this like so frustrated.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, even if he had made some of the adjustments
that I wish he had, it still would not have
been any kind of guarantee of victory. Because again, you're
talking about a guy in Vulk who is a master
engagement manipulator. Right, He's gonna manipulate the terms like we're
never gonna fight fifty to fifty, We're always gonna fight.
He's gonna make Yeah, so like understanding that that's the game.

(26:17):
But there is something that Vulk does and you have
to challenge it in order to win, otherwise you simply
have no shot. And this is something that we saw
in the third Holloway fight in particular, and in this
one as well. Vulk uses space stepping circling as a
way to get you to follow and chase. Not just that,

(26:38):
but as you follow in chase, he begins to set
up different attacks and then builds differences from there based
on what you're giving him, and then everything begins to flow.
He circled Diego Lopez. There were times where he was
cage cutting himself, but he mostly circled and had Diego
Lopez following him. So, first of all, people being like

(27:00):
like vulk Ran, the people who say vulk Ran, I'm
trying to be as nice as I can. You're a
fucking idiot. You're a fucking idiot. You have zero clue
about what you're looking at that I just cannot state
that any clear. Secondly, as he circles, I'm trying to
explain what the importance is if I if you and
I are on fifty to fifty right and I take

(27:21):
a step over, you have to take time to follow,
because obviously I don't want you to create an angle
on me. So he does this with a system. Again,
there's it's not just sidestepping. It's it's up, it's high low.
It's I reach with the jab, I touch with the glove,
I might switch stands with it. It's got a whole system.
But as he creates these angles, Lopez is starting to
follow the whole time. And when he does there's a

(27:42):
little window where he has no defense, and this is
where he's getting popped with the jab, this is where
he's getting hit with the leg kick. This is where
he's building this entire attack he's making. Every time he
does that, he's making diego reset, reset, reset, You're literally
constantly resetting having to do this, and he never adjusted
for it once.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Better in his corner than his corner, just saying, get
more aggressive, Dean Dean Thomas.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I went back and I watched the fight. Dean Thomas,
who I love, shouts to Dean Dean Thomas after the
first round. You know how the commentary booth goes to him,
and the commentary booth is like, all right, Dean, what
are you seeing. He's like, you know, going slow, like
this technique for technique, I don't know if you're gonna
beat He saw it in the first five minutes. And
I'm like, guys, how did you not know this was

(28:29):
gonna be something? And again, how you solved that problem?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
There's there's a there's a bunch of different ways to
do it, but that he didn't even.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Fucking attempt it. It's like, dude, I don't know how
to explain this. It is like trying to go scuba
diving with you know, half a tank. You're just automatically
starting off before you go underwater with a complete deficiency.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
What did you make of this?

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Because I saw people saying, Hey, his stock rose with
this performance. I'm not here to say I'm gonna I'm
gonna like smash it down. That would not be fair,
he thought, a very very historical talented guy, It sure
as fuck didn't go up for me stuck.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Maybe. Look so I think people see it from this
from the aspect of, well, he was able to show
that he if he can just land that shot like
he's dangerous, right, and he was able to hang in
there like he was able to knock him down, and
he had the moment in the fourth I'm guessing that's
where it comes from. But I'm with you. There was
no suspense because you could see those patterns that you've

(29:25):
eloquently put out, you could see them developing, and you
could see there was really no response coming. And I
think did you they kept they They did kind of
zoom in on his corner a little bit. It was
really surprising that there wasn't more technical talk that way,
like there was. I didn't hear it. Maybe you heard it.
I didn't hear anybody saying, you know, hey, stop doing this,

(29:47):
start doing this whatever. I didn't hear that.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Well, how many times can you remember Volkanovsky? He would
purposely kind of circle with his back towards the case.
Not every time, It would depend on this, dude. Sometimes
here's what he does. He'll fade into the power hand
of Lopez. Right, Lopez would foddow him, but now Lopez
is creating space behind him, and then he'd go back
to the counter clock while circling, he would retake center.
He would let him have it. Dude, how are you

(30:12):
going to beat someone technically superior if you are consistently
for twenty five minutes surrendering position. Yeah, it cannot be
done unless you get lucky, I think. And the second
round he got a little close. But like you're waiting
for Vulk to make a mistake, Vulk is making you
make mistakes. Big fucking difference is it?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
When you see something like this from a technical aspect,
do you say, like, how did you not know that
Vulcan is going to do this? Like when you're watching
this unfold? Because I feel like what started to develop there,
and what you're describing is one of those things. You
could see him doing this in previous fights. It's not
like this was new that he the progressions that he'd

(30:54):
go through to set things up, but it didn't feel
like Diego kind of was prepared for that, which is
kind of nic I talked to Anthony Pettis after he
knocked out Steven WonderBoy. Tom said, which a lot of
people forget that actually happened, but he did, it was
a vicious KO in his first one seventy fight. Was yeah, yeah, Yeah,
it was a vicious KO.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
And I actually asked him like, hey, how come you
weren't cage cutting what he told me at the time,
because he was following right. He wanted to do that
on purpose, So that was purposeful. And the reason why
he did it is because he felt like when you
pressure wonder Boy, you would you would for him, you
would get into scenarios he just didn't want to be in,
Okay that he thought were too risky, so he actually
felt like following and then following a little bit, even

(31:30):
though even though he would be playing catch up positionally,
he would have the speed advantage being the naturally smaller guy.
So it wouldn't make a big difference. Now, it didn't
quite work out that way in the end, except he
was able to finally land the big bomb.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Okay, all as well as that ends.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Well, the point I'm trying to make is there can
obviously be scenarios where you want to follow like that,
of course, but after fucking twenty minutes of it, you're
still doing it in the fifth round, I don't know
what the end. And it's like people think when I
make this argument that I'm like, I'm making myself out
to be some kind of tape watching genius.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Quite the opposite.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's actually, if a dumb ass like me, I'm like,
you can't do this like this just is a This
is a very suboptimal way to compete. How is it
they aren't seeing that? That's the one that drives me
fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
So I take it you don't want to see the
rematch If it's cheers on the pipe, what is the point?
What is the point?

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I mean, who knows what how Volk's gonna how much
longer he's gonna last doing this? And I don't know
what the answer is, But oh my god, I hated
this performance from him.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Now, he had a couple of.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Nice things that he did that uppercut. The uppercuts were nice.
Obviously you get hit. There's the other part too. I
interviewed Ivan Flores it either was I think it was
after the Gaatechee Win. This is the striking coach of
Max Halloween. And I asked him, Hey, like this movement
that Vulk did in the third fight, like, what was
so troubling about that? And his answer was, you know,
the circling didn't help, and blah blah blah. But it

(32:51):
was at Volco's first and third he'll either throw something
or faint something, get a reaction, and then he goes
third and he was doing that constantly to Diego Lopitz
And I'm like, guys, how did you not know this
is what he was going to do. I mean, so
then shoot a takedown and obviously Volke might stuff it
pull guard. I don't know, I'm not listen. Yeah, something

(33:12):
some disruption. Some you mentioned him being a master disruptor
in terms of Volkanowski. Yes, you would have to return that.
You have to return the favor. If you let him
have this, you're fighting at a disadvantage of the entire time,
it just drove me nuts. And so to me, it's like,
I'm not going to back on him, because how many
guys can do what Vulk does. Brian Ortega is just
going to run right into your punches. It looks like
when you know, in the case of bing O Lopez,

(33:33):
it literally happened, but Volk is a special case.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
But at the same time, it's Ortega almost got a
submission of Volkanowski. It's sometimes a strange game is.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
A funny mat But the thing for me is like,
because Volk is such a unique case, I'm not going
to dock Lopez too much, but I am going to
kind of re evaluate exactly how high I might place
him in terms of his upside because this was one
of his performances that to me was just like.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
You got a long way to go. Well, that old
win or learn type thing and guys saying that, you know,
we learn more from our losses than we do from
our victories. I think this would be the prime example
of that, because all what you're mentioning is, you know,
in a game of chess and you're out there trying
to play checkers, it's a it's a it's a learning experience,
and you would hope that Diego will take from it

(34:18):
like a little bit more of a sophisticated approach to it. Right. Yeah,
Well there's some work to be done. Yea.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
BC is texting me, he's watching, he's watching from San Diego,
and he said, this is what his He's with his
family obviously, and his son goes Dad Luke Share does
swear a lot.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Hell yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Realizing that, huh, very quickly, Lopez put out a statement,
if we could put it on the screen, we'll read
it here, if you could take off the lower third.
Always with my head held high, I mean obviously it's
translated I think from Spanish or Portuguese, a smile on
my face. I fell short last night. I failed in
a few things. I'll get back to work, improve, correct
the mistakes and move forward. Thank you to thank you
for all your support. As I always say, nothing happens,

(35:01):
I don't quite I don't know if that quite translating
hand to English in the way that it might be
very nihilistic approach. I'm like playing things happen. Just what
just happened in the bathroom, I mean it was a disaster.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Last thing.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Do you have a clear sense of who you want
Vork to fight next. Very quickly, let's see it. Vork said, Hey,
molfts are whoever. But you know he wants to be
fair to the process and see what he says.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, look great.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
As I was saying that, I'm like, you know, people
you know talking about a million dollar fight and you
know all this stuff, I'm like, man, just you got
a tough, tough guy ahead of you. Man, just to
focus on that. You get a good performance, all right,
you might get the shot. Uh yeah that he was saying,
get the title shot. Look, he's a good dude. I
like him a lot. If the UFC I want to
give it to him, I ain't gonna I ain't gonna

(35:47):
stop the you know, I ain't gonna stop that for him.
But I'll be honest, I did before that fight. I
didn't think if he won, he would be getting shot.
Like I'll be honest that that didn't come to my mind.
But now that he's calling, like, I'm not going to
be the one to say no, I'm going to leave
everything to the UFC. Obviously you've got guys up Mozvar
who's undefeated. That's I mean, I'd love to take that zero,

(36:07):
you know what I mean, Like, we've got to see
what the UFC say. I heard, you know, I've seen
him trying to get other fights. I don't know, is
that right?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Like there was rumors that he was going to faight.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
I even heard even seen him tweeting that he wants
to fight someone in May and doing all this sort
of stuff. So maybe he's had the chats and they
want him to have one more fight. I don't know,
So I don't know that situation, but I'll see how
things are. I'd love to say you and I told
you I don't want to get straight back in there.
I still do, but I'm going to have to maybe
look at a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, seems to think you would go to Mexico to
fight him in that big Guadalajara show in September.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Is that something you'd be willing to do September?

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I mean, if everything's good, I'd probably like to go
soon quicker than that, and be honest, because that's probably
the second fight, So maybe it can be. You know,
if I'm good, maybe I get the fight maybe July
September where we can make most val you know what

(37:03):
I mean, You take if they want to do that,
if they want to quickly go and I feel good,
maybe quick turnaround with busted hands. I said, that's that
was my plan, my bang.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
But you gets the idea. Who will give a preference
if he wanted to fight. I love that he's making
like a tour. I think. I think that's great. And
he's not even worried about the Mexico element of that,
by the way, like like I go into the that's great.
I don't think they should make that fight next. I
think the most most far fight makes the most sense
because you know, how do you deny him at this point?
You know he's deserved it. I think that would be

(37:37):
a very compelling fight, just given watching the two guys stylistically,
I think that'd be the best fight I would do
Yeah year versus uh two Yeah yeah, because if they
if they both want to hold off until September, that's
the fight to make.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
I'm with you a little bit, like, don't get me wrong,
because of how matchmaking works and how the calendar works,
Vulk might end up fighting Yeah Year next in September.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I guess we'll but like that that is not a
pay per view, is it.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
I guess it is it is it's a it's a
it's an announced paper view.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay, as long as it's a pay per view, then
that could happen. But I thought for some reason it
was a fight night, so then they might do that.
But I still think that the heat, I mean watching
this part of this card, the part of the heat
went to Yayir versus Diego. I mean that's kind of
what they built, so you got to capitalize on that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I mean the thing for me is like I rewatched
the first fight to prepare for Saturday.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I rewatched Yayar and Vulcan. Vulcan seven takedowns. It was
it was like seven takes then he held. He had
a like seven seven or eight minutes control time pillar
to post. I don't have a big interest to eat
him everywhere.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, I was like, I don't know what has changed,
and it was just a one fight win streak to me.
You know, Lopez just came off the title fight. Give
him your surging and you can kind of sort that.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah. Like that, I guess we'll see.

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Speaker 1 (39:43):
I suppose. All right.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
With that in mind, let's move down the cart if
we can't because there is so much meat on his
bone to chew. One, let's talk about now topic number
two in the co main event. Oh, I've got some
crota eight chuckmand and all Pattie Pemblet. He didn't just
defeat Michael Chandler, he big brothered him en route to
a third round kind of vicious stoppage. If I do
say so myself, Chuck, this was by far the best

(40:07):
performance by Patty, and certainly on the biggest stage. Is
it time for critics of Patty Pimblet to admit he's
a legitimate title threat?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Chandler's washed. That might also be true. You know how
that that that kicked up immediately though, as soon as
this this this fight happened, Kay, Chandler did look bad
talk about that. I think so because this has been
a kind of escalation, I guess for Pimblet. And he's
went through the last two guys, like you know, Bobby
king Green like he's supposed to maybe maybe we're gonna

(40:41):
have to see him put in some deep wire. Nope,
didn't happen. And then he goes into this one and
like you said, it was like a big brother ing right,
Like he just did you ever feel like he was
in trouble in this fight. Every time there was a scramble,
it felt like he was big brother and like he
would just end up in a in the dominant position
and uh and just kind of squaring off on him
and nobody really, I mean, not too many dudes do

(41:02):
this to Chandler, whether he's washed or not, not too
many dudes do this. He made him look bad, you know,
he made him look bad, and I think it is
time for the UFC to take him serious. I said
going into this, I'm like, if Pimblett is able to
kind of do this kind of performance, it's not just
in the mixture. You could put him against any of
those guys because he's the big enough name, right Like
they've had other guys that they've they've kind of like

(41:23):
expedited into big, big fights. They could do that if
they wanted right now. Or they could go to justin
Gaegee Route, a guy who's kind of hovering in that
top space still and would make sense. But like they
could put him against Ilia, they could do anything that
they wanted right now.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Dana White is uh, excuse me, don't have the wrong clip.
We'll skip that one. Let's bring in Long Island, Luke.
Long Island, Luke. We talked about this before the show. Okay,
how are we supposed to interpret Patty? And what I
mean by that is I started out when he came
to the UFC. I'm like, he's got nearly twenty fights

(41:58):
and he's not any good. You know, I was very
dismissive of him, But.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Dude, he's legitimately improved. My question is, was the skepticism
about him when he first got to the UFC justified.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
Skepticism is definitely fair. I watched like Patty's last maybe
five or six Cage Warriors fights. I used to have
to do that, and uh, dude, he definitely lost to
Juliana Ross. He also threw up in the cage after
that fight. Uh, he lost the sore and back. That's
an actual loss. There was times in Cage Warriors where
he looked human, so you think, oh, now he steps
it up to the UFC, he's definitely going to look human.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
But he looked damn impressive.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
But I don't want to jump on the Chandler's wash bandwagon,
but not exactly facing the real top ten, if you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I need one more fight.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
I need him versus armin or Charles, but not.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Money, but you know what, that's fine, But dude, when
he was fighting the whoever that the Luigi Vertial whatever,
the guy's.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Name was Luigi Vendrom. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's
a nice guy, but like when he was fighting that
level of competition and he got he got kind of
rocked in that fight immediately, remember, and I was like.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
I was like, this guy, there's a there's a video
floating around of me where I was doing some postfight
show and someone asked, this is years ago, so this
is like, you know, when they were both relatively new
to the UFC, and someone was like, what about uh,
Patty versus Ilia Taporia?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
And I was like, put him in front of remember
you saying this.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
And at the time I felt very confident in that,
And for years after, I felt confident in that, and
I would still pick. No, I would still pick, but
I have to take that's a different fight today. That's
a completely different fight today, no question about it. Like,
are you surprised how good he's gotten?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I think he has gotten better, That's what. That's the thing.
He came in with a lot of hype and we
were talking about deluding yourself earlier. He seemed like one
of those guys was going to be very susceptible to
deluding himself into being a bad fighter. At some point
that hasn't happened. He's actually met the escalation and the
you know, the brighter spotlights really well. He's looked better
than he has in the first bunch of fights in

(44:03):
his last two against better competition. So is he one
of those risers who like it's when it gets, you know,
the biggest stakes, the more he dials in and the
more he knows what to do. It could be the case.
And I think you got to kind of if you're
the UFC, you got to play that out as far
as it go. I still don't know how he'd do
against the guy like Topoory, I know. I mean I
still suspect it would go the way that you initially did.

(44:25):
I don't think that'd be a great fight for him.
But could he beat Geechee? Like these are the questions
I had before, And uh, that's not possible to even
think of it, I know, but I would have probably
said no, Geiche would buzz so him. But now I'm
sort of like, might be a bad matchup for Geigee.
You know, that's how much he's improved, Like, it's it's
become a different scenario for him. He was always good
at the back, he's gotten now. He's not just good

(44:47):
at the back. He's good at transitioning the back to
three quarter mount to ground and pound two mount itself,
you know what I mean. Like he's got a whole
system there. But dude, how about on the feet the
There are times in fights where people say to me,
so and so got kicked in the leg.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
You know, shouldn't that count for something? And my answer
to that is, well, of course it has to matter
to some degree. But here's what I'm looking for, Chuck.
If we're fighting and you kick me in the leg
and I start limping, or I change stances, or my
offense kind of hurries up because I am now under threat,
That to me is a sign it's working if you're
kicking me in the leg and it's not deterring me

(45:26):
in any way. I have a hard time knowing the.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Value his leg kicks had immediate effect on challenges immediately.
They never seem to want to give credit to those
leg kicks. You know, it's like the least glaring thing
for people to pick up on. But man, when you
see it effective like that, it does change. It doesn't
It changes everything.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
And it's not just that he had Chandler right at
the end of his punches so often. And then how
about this timing that knee on the entry waiting for him, dude,
that's good timing, that's good anticipation. These are hards that
they make it look so easy. These are very difficult
skills to learn. And also to teach a young fighter

(46:05):
to leave their feet like that is not everyone is
kind of suited for it.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I gotta tell you he's fucking good. Patty Temblet is good.
Can you believe it?

Speaker 7 (46:16):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
It's true. Did you think he lost the Gordon fight?
That happened like a couple or six so, I mean
the criticism was in things like this, you know, well
he couldn't even clear that hurdle, although he did in
the Wikipedia sense like he won the fight. I think
people have just been kind of stuck on him, saying
like I don't think he has beyond like a you know,
like maybe right at top fifteen, you know, maybe that's
his ceiling, but obviously he's went right through that. It's

(46:40):
now fun. And you know, this is an era we
talk about this a lot where you're like, who are
the stars in the UFC? Who are these guys. He
certainly could be one, and that's why, that's why you
almost think that the UFC would play him against a
guy like Gaye che Nicks and not feed him to
like a guy like Armand or somebody like that who
could kind of steal the armand our arma is I

(47:01):
would pick Arman to win, But you think it'd be
a close fight. I think that on the ground Patty
can give himself. It is an interesting thing. I can't
believe I'm saying that shit. I know that that's what
I'm saying. Like it's a completely different perception right than
we were like a year ago, and especially after this
last fight. He not does he not look big to
you in this way? He look huge.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
His traps are like ridiculous. I couldn't believe, how can
he be watching when he first gets to the UFC.
You know he's in shape, but he looks relative to
how he is now a little scrawny.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
So it's not just like did his game get better.
He physically matured and like like leaned into it, and
it's just paid dividends the whole way through.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
And correct me if I'm wrong. He's not like people
sometimes think that he's like twenty something, but he's like
thirty now, isn't he Like I think he's thirty now
I can double check that. I mean, so it's not
like I mean he's he should be, you know, It's
just he had this boyish looks, but he should be
in his prime writing about now thirty. He just turned thirty,
just kind of coming into his crime. So I mean,
we'll see what happens. But it does feel like he
kind of grew into his body and he looked huge

(47:59):
in there against I mean massive compared to him.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
M let's talk about who makes the most sense next.
For Patty pimblet Let's do it this way. We got
a couple of comments from Patty, Let's go to this one. First,
Patty is.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Not even thinking about Taporia, called him irrelevant.

Speaker 8 (48:17):
And then one day down the line, we get the
pressed to her with the Eliot.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
SUPPORTA, oh yeah, yeah, we want that. I forgot some
Echinillian Lakay. To be honest, that's how irrelevant he is
in my life.

Speaker 7 (48:26):
I forgot to even mention el you did, so you
know what I mean, I didn't even think of him.
I'm run higher than him at lightweight.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Okay, so that's set stopped texting me. That's experience. So
there's that one.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
The next one is Patty says he's more conf Excuse me,
Patty is confident he's got better subs than ola Vera.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Let me hear that one.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
I didn't feel tired one bit on Chandler was blown
out of his ass, So I don't think I would
to put on a much beds of performance.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
To be honest.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Dan was here and we asked him, you know, is
is does Patty get one more fight and then he's
a title contender? And Dana said, well, this was a
big win, so he could be a good title contender.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
You named a few guys there you would want to fight.
He also said you wouldn't mind fighting Charles Oliver in
Abu Dhabi. So is that the plan?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
One more fight title shot for you? I hope? So?

Speaker 7 (49:18):
Well, what I mean I do I want to I
want to be a oil champion. I've always said that
I am going to be a WIL champion. I'm beating
a former champion like Charles Oliveda. We've got two title defenses.
He gets go with the best submission. As to the UFC,
he's ever seen. So I'd love to go up against
that because I think I've got better submissions and Charles oliveda.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Last one for me one year from now. Do you
think you have the UFC title?

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I full of hope.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
So six Cloud, I want that Ballatopha Robbie Waist.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
He's got he's got Oliver, he's got nerve, Yeah, he's
got moxie and now he's got size and ability.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I'm telling you this is a great thing for the
lightweight division, is it not? Chuck? Yes? And that Oliver
a fight especial she considering there's the two guys who
are submission artists and know what to do on the ground. Like,
this has got to be your wet dream, right, Like
this is like you want to see that fight.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
I just, to be perfectly honest, I just want to
see him tested against anybody in the top five.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I don't really I don't fight so so so.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
I have a weird This is like the one like
weird part about my fandom. I'm like a hardcore fight fan,
and I have been almost all my life. Yeah, I
know after big fights, the first thing that everybody loves
to do is what are the next big rights you
can make, and I like doing that exercise. But to me,
it's like, I'm not going to say irrelevant, but I
think people play into it too much when I think

(50:39):
there's a lot of I always believe in rare exceptions. Yeah,
you know John versus Tom at heavyweight, that's the only
one I want to see. But with the exceptions like that,
I'm like, there's almost like a range of good fights
that they have.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
I don't have to see, like his situation exactly has
He's the fresh blood to that.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
So now there's one more of these I want to
get to very quickly. Colby Covington and Patty Pemblet had
a bit of a flare up backstage.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Let's take a look.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Oh you're fighting, he said, you mean that you're two
and six, Remember that, Remember that you're a scrub, You're
a you're protect so quick, keep pulling your left.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
On your.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Mute out cuss words on morning combat? What's going on here?

Speaker 4 (51:37):
I gotta tell you, I love scouser insults. I know, helmet, sausage, sausage, mushroom.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I know you know what I mean. I know these
are things in American English that mean nothing other than
like what you're sound so insulting when he's sausage. Yeah,
you're you're a you're a helmet?

Speaker 5 (51:54):
Yea?

Speaker 4 (51:54):
What the fun out does that mean? Okay, neither here
nor there. He is on everybody's radar. He injecting fucking
life into all of these rivalries. And we've talked about
it on this show before, Chuck, which was like I thought,
like the Demirius Magoulaws and the Jatlazzi's were gonna come
and replace anymar with physives. Dude, it was Paddy Pimblet before,

(52:15):
it was maybe any of those.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Guy. Imagine, can you fucking believe it? But you have
to give him props. He has earned this spot.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Now again people are gonna say he got favorable matchmaking
early in his run, which of course is true.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
But Chuck, you know this as well as I do.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
You want a promoter to definitely handle a situation like
this so you can maximize it. Are any number of
fights they could have given him that would have ruined
him and never made this day possible, right, But they
played it and he got a little lucky, but they
played it just right, and now look at the results.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I guess that's the question, is like do you keep
playing it like we're saying, maybe maybe he's closer to
some of these guys that seemed untouchable than we think.
And I think that that's part of the intrigue. Like
if he goes up against Serukian, maybe it's a closer
the we first would have thought. But or does the
UFC say the Gaechee fight just because we know that

(53:06):
that build would be fun, we know that it would deliver,
And there's a good chance that Patty just keeps the
Patty train just keeps rolling along, right, Like, It'll be
interesting to see what they do because a lot of
times what they want to do is kind of knock
off a guy who seems invincible. They love to do that,
but usually when they have the title, right, But like,
sometimes the matchmakers have different ideas. But I'd be a
little surprised if they wanted to put him in a

(53:28):
boring like, you know, a guy who's just not going
to bring out that natural a side of him.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
At this point, I no, I fully agree. I lost
my train. I thought I had something to add there,
but I think that's fine. Let's talk about Michael Chandler. Yeah, okay,
thirty nine on April twenty fourth of this month, so
in ten days ten days will be thirty nine years
of age. Let me tell you what I saw in
this fight, Chuck, tell me if I wanted something. Patty
has a very different style than Chandler. Yeah, but to me,

(53:57):
he looked like the next evolution of what Chandler's era
of fighting represented.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I'll give you some examples.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Okay, in the first round, he gets behind him and
he's able to, like Matt return him, lift him and
then return him to the mat. They counted as a takedown,
but it's a Matt return when he does that. Chandler
never threads the legs. If in order to generate power
off the floor, a movement off the floor, your feet
have to attach and then you push. That's how all
movement happens. And that's why you see habib Islam. They

(54:26):
get you take down, they're thread in the legs immediately
so you cannot move or put some kind of turk
something to put on there. He doesn't do that, so
Patty is simply able to get back to his feet.
Or how about in the second round he tries to
take the back, but he's not really a back taker.
It's not a position that he's got great skill in,
so of course Patty's able to I think it was
the third maybe Patty's able to reverse it and then
he finishes the fight from there. There are things that

(54:49):
Chandler was able to do with boxing and wrestling and
just pure grit and bron that got him pretty far,
but there are technical limits to it, and now that
he's old, it all came apart.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
For me.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
It's like, dude, if you don't have those other things
tightened up, Vulk can compete late into his run because
every screw is tightened down, right. Man, This thing this
is one of those Jaloppi planes he was trying to land.
You ever see those Red Bucks You ever see those
Red Bull competitions where they people they homemade airplanes, yes,
and they see if they can go like fifty feet.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, it felt like that to me. That definitely had
that feel. And you know, going into this, I would
have said, you know, Chandler's probably more interested in just
collecting bonus money, and I'm not trying to be you know,
there's certain guys. Gaechee, for a little while, I think
was just kind of like, hey man, I just want
to like load up on bonus money. Joe Lo's on
used to have that mindset. He was like, you know,
I'll fight Middland guys and just kind of survive on

(55:43):
the bonus money that comes through. I think Chandler, you know,
if you followed him in Bellator, he's still I mean,
he had I think you mentioned the grit in the
medal and that sort of thing. He got a lot
of what he did was that, right, that was just
so much of his what he brought. That fight he
had with Alvarez back then, it's one of the greatest. Yeah,

(56:03):
but the first I think it was the first one
that was just like it was the same night as him,
just a fucking indo and who yes, just a big
cat being unleashed. And that's what I think that he
his mindset defaults to that, you know, and it was
not there was not going to be like this major evolution.
I know some people are like, hey man, he was
a standout wrestler at Mazoo. Maybe one time he's going
to uh, you know, kind of revert more back to

(56:24):
his wrestling and starts. It just isn't part of what
he wants to do, Like you're saying, technically he doesn't
even want to. I don't think he really wants to
fight that way.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
You know, people think that it's like, oh, why can't
you just train an old fighter to do new things,
And it's like, you know, dude, And I mean, he
went far than it looks. He went pretty far. Like
he made a lot of money, He's had a great career,
He's done a lot with what he's done. But to me,
this fight felt like, yeah, the bookend of legitimacy.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
This is the end. I agree. That's how it looked
to me too. I mean, and I think that even
with the matchmaking and a lot of times they'll do this,
but they'll give the guy that they are trying to
get over and the old dude it stands in his way,
and then they kind of baton passed. That's what it
felt like a little bit.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
When Patty had him in Uh there was up against
the fence and Patty was trying to sneak his rear
knee to take the back, but so Waiting was pinning
with the forward knee and then turking the legs. So
Chandler's like this, yeah, and Patty has got one leg
kind of over and on top of him, and he
was just beating the fuck out of him with like again,
modern best practices, and Chandler, who is still a physical

(57:25):
beast terms certainly the way he looks was technically overwhelmed
and getting flattened and beaten up. I was like, it
just felt to me like that skill set for that
era that he built, it came to an end on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
It's tough too, man, because you've covered him a long time.
You probably have. You've talked to him quite a bit
in your career. I've talked to him recently, but I
probably interviewed him, you know, twenty times. That's I was
gonna say. I've talked to him a lot. I remember
doing a piece when he adopted some his children, and
it was like, you know, he's a great guy. And
there's a point when you're like, you see that kind
of beating and you're like, I don't want to see
you take too many of those. It's easy for me
to say, like, I know, the fighters themselves have their

(58:01):
own lives and they have their own goals and stuff
like that, but there is a point in time, man,
where you're like, you've been in a lot of wars
and if you're not, if you're seeing a younger guy
like that go through him too easily, it's just a sign, right,
Like it wasn't a good look because usually, if anything Chandler,
it's not one sided. Chandler always has his moments and
fights like he has a moment where he comes flurring

(58:22):
back and like, oh my god, this is Berserve exactly.
So it's like we didn't get that on this one,
and that's just you think it's going one way now,
I don't think it's coming back.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Dana White still has a lot of nice things to
say about Chandler. Let's hear it, Michael Chandler is now
one in five in his last six, but he's always
been exciting in a fan favor.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
What do you make of his performance tonight and where?

Speaker 9 (58:42):
And he's always in the fight. I mean, he's always
in the fight. You know, tonight was a big night
for Patty Pemblet. People like we were just talking about,
people been doubting Patty Pemblet every single fight he fights,
and he's undefeated in the UFC. But Chandler is Chandler's
like our like our art artural Gotti man. Every time

(59:04):
that guy goes in, you know you're in for a
good fight. You know it's gonna be a war. You
don't know whether he's gonna win or lose.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Okay, I mean I like the Arturro Gotti comparison, except
Arturro's life didn't end that great, you know after fighting. Yes,
so maybe we can keep it. You know, it's a
limit to that comparison. Rest in peace to artural Gotti.
But and I think you do know sometimes.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I mean I I certainly thought that Patty would I
thought Patty would win this fight. I don't know how
you felt about it going in. I did. I did
think he was gonna win. Yeah, I mean to say, like,
we don't know if he's gonna win and lose. I
think that that's what was compromised in this fight. Like
I if Chandler's fighting anybody in that top space on
his next one, if he returns, I think you'd probably
predict he's gonna lose, you know, so that that component

(59:49):
is a little off.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
I thought it would be kind of close, but maybe
Patty would kind of you know, yeah, you know, edge him,
or yeah, maybe look good. I didn't think Patty was
gonna like, no, and I didn't him up that way.
I mean, that's exactly what it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Was the reveal, right, Like, so yeah, all right, let's
go to topic number three if we can.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
This one was a weird fight for me. Let's talk
about it. Yeah, Rodriguez defeating Patricio Pitbull. Of course, Patricio
Pitbull the best fighter in Bellator history, but thirty seven
years of age. We all here on MK tried to
have some managed expectations. I was a little excited for
this fight, or in fact, I was very excited for
this fight, but at the same time, there was something
in the back of my mind being like, well, he's
thirty seven, you got that last one over Jeremy Kennedy,

(01:00:29):
what really is left? So Chuck, Yeah, your scored what
I would consider to be a very important victory over Pitbull.
We'll talk about Pitbull in a second, but for Rodriguez,
did he show you enough to merit a title shot
despite only being on a one fight win stick? And
we talked about like what some of the other choices are,
But I guess my question is more about how good

(01:00:50):
did he look to you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
He looked pretty good. I mean, like his kicks are
always going to be like an esthetic value to UOFC.
He goes in there and he just he does the
things and that you can hear it jam slam, slam,
and you're like, man, this is crazy. And I was
pretty positive it was not going to get be a finish,
you know, like, and it was the way the fight
kind of played out. It was h It obviously went

(01:01:13):
in Yahya's favor, but I don't think. I don't know,
Maybe it's just I wasn't holding him in that title
spot to begin with, do you kind of because he'd
lost his last couple of fights prior to this, and
I always have a hard time see I would not
have held him, but for the fact that they're going
to Guadalajara. To me was the thing that was like,
I mean, he did it right by like getting on
the mic too and just being like, I want the

(01:01:34):
winner of that fight the main event, and I want
it in Guadalajara. He did everything correct. Let's in fact,
let's let's hear him. Let's hear him say that promise.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Maybe a title shot. You wanted that in Guadalajara. How
confident are you that you can get Volkanovski to go
to Mexico to fight you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:49):
Brother, Bolkonoski has a fight like all lover around the world.
He has him fight in Mexico while is no super
high elevation. I think it makes sense for the UFC
to bring a huge event. It's a numbered event in Gualajara,
and I think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Will be able to like run it back with me.

Speaker 10 (01:02:07):
I think he will be happy to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Okay, he says, hold on one second, I gotta see
this because I didn't look this up before the show,
and now I want to see it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
He's like, oh, Guadalajara doesn't have high elevation. It's the
same as Denver. Mexico City is much higher than that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
So it's less than Mexico City, Mexico.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
But it's like it's still well above five thousand feet,
like its fucking high. I gotta tell you, I thought
he looked. Here's what I liked about this performance. The
one fight win streak doesn't give me like big confidence
to make it, but I understand they've got to fill
a calendar and there are many factors that go into

(01:02:46):
too who gets title shots. I like this performance for
how disciplined it was. There are times where he gets
over zealous. There are times where he leans into that
acrobatic recklessness. He didn't do that this time. He was
a little boring, but in a totally forgivable way because

(01:03:06):
he was much more methodical. He knew he had a
guy who was probably past it but still's got dynamite
punching and you could see their spec there. You had
to be careful and he was, and to me that
it was a It was still exciting because he knocked
him down the third and had that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Terrifying ground pound.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Yeah, but he was disciplined about what he was doing
up until that point, and for me that was like, Okay,
I didn't see anybody who's going to beat Vulc necessarily. Yeah,
but I definitely saw a guy who understood that correcting
for some of your errors is going to take you
a little bit further.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah. I just have a hard time with the competitiveness
of the first fight. We talked about this a little bit.
I'm like, if you're going to throw Vulcan into that
situation and have him travel to Mexico, it feels like
you're kind of catering at this point to YAYI Rodriguez
in every capacity, but not to say the Vulk wouldn't
just go in there and do the exact same thing.

(01:04:00):
But it seems a little weird to your champion to
just kind of do this. That's why I just think,
I mean a champion being the B side, I know exactly,
so it's like, uh, and I know Volk probably wouldn't
put up much of a stink about it, which is
to his credit. But I just think that that Diego thing,
there's such good bad blood there, you know. And you
got a guy who, you know, I think feels more
Mexican than Brazilian at this point, you know what I mean,

(01:04:22):
because he's lived in Mexico for a long time now
that wants to represent Mexico, and you have a guy
telling him like, you're not a Mexican, you know what
I mean. I think that you put that those two
guys into a scenario in Guadalajara, that's gonna be a
fun fight, right like that atmosphere is gonna be ridiculous.
I was at a Mexico City fight when he fought
when Yayr stepped in against Jeremy Stevens, and that ipo happened,

(01:04:43):
and the place crowd placement, Brazik and I have to say,
like that crowd was on another level. Like sometimes people
are like, what's the best crowd you've ever been in?
And I'm like, none of them are more raucous than
that crowd. Like that was a crazy crowd. So you
try to imagine the scenario of him fighting Diego, and
I think that would be ridiculous. Man, that just seems

(01:05:03):
like a slam dunk to me. It does to me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Bong Island, Luke, where are you in this one? Who
should be next for Ya year? And is it Vulk?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Now you gotta do Diego? I don't. I don't need
to see Ya year vulc rematch yet.

Speaker 6 (01:05:15):
Let yeah Ulk fightevloyev do Yah year Diego.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Winners get winners. I think that would make sense. Now,
unless you want to stick Jion Silva into the scenario anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
We'll get to him and the people are like, he
should get a title shot. I'm like, guys, he went
into that fight unranked, I know, unranked.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Like, don't get me wrong, he look great.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Hold the fuck on I Now, before we move onto that,
let's look at pitch pull Gun. Pitbull put out a statement.
Let's take a look at the statement here. If we can.
It's it's a couple of them. I'll read it out
for the audio listeners. Thank you, UFC for everything. I
felt very welcomed, great treatment from all the staff towards
me and my team and my family. I heard International
Fight Week is amazing and the card is still open.
I've got a few names in mind. Would you guys

(01:05:56):
like to see me fight next? And then he also
says congratulations to he tags yai ear we'll see each
other again. I'm injury free and ready to go anytime. UFC.
Thank you to all the fans. I'll make you all proud.
You can count on that. I was hoping we were
going to get something better than what we got, But
at the same time, I'm really not mad at what
we got.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Pitbull is thirty seven. He is well past his prime.
I watched his prime. It was fucking great. But we're
past that now.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
And you know, one of my viewers on my personal
channel brought this up and it's true, which is ever
since he got rocked and it got a shit rocked
by aj McKee, he's been a little bit more hesitant
and felt that you felt that in here. Also, the
octagon is so big it's hard to corner guys who've
got fleet footwork like ya ear. It wasn't uphill climb
for him on Saturday, was it not?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
It was? And I think that for him, you know,
I think he was looking at like, you know, I
have one more belt that I haven't got, and I'm
getting a pretty good So I think he wanted to
be a strategic and tactical and try to bend the
fight to his will as he could. He just couldn't
get it done, and I think that's just the product
of age. When he came over to the UFC, I

(01:07:06):
had the same thing as you. You're like, dude, if
this happened five years ago, this would be ridiculous. That
partition coming down, and like you get to see these
fights you never able to see. But there was a
feeling of maybe too little, too late. But I talked
to him in the fight week, and you know, he's
kind of infectious with what he's telling you. It's like,
I have this one goal left, man, and I want
to do this to complete my legacy. And the guy

(01:07:28):
has overcome so much in his career, so many times
where he kind of left a run where he'd get
close he'd lose, he'd get close, he'd lose. Then he
wins the bell, he loses it, you know what I mean,
wins it back. It's like he's constantly like just battling.
So that's what I don't want to bury him, but
I do think that it's going to be very difficult
for him to kind of do that in the UFC

(01:07:48):
at this point. I think this was the critical fight
he needed to kind of come in there and show something.
I'm not sure he showed enough to do that. But
if you followed Pitbull, which I know you have, and
I'm sure a lot of the viewers have, Like we
did a resume review of yeah when I'm kidding, and
I'm like, it's one of those things. If you followed
his career, he really has nothing to prove like he
was in it. He was differently. He was the face
of that organization. He was the greatest they had, and

(01:08:11):
I think his legacy is set one way or another.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
You know, I have two things I want to say
about pit Bull. One is I hated I hate shots
to listen. I'm not one of these guys that's gonna
constantly bitch about the commentary that these shows First of all,
I love John talking about I think DC can be
good or bad depending on who he's with. I really
did not like Rogan saying, you know, this is what
happens when he steps up to a new level. It's like, guys, yeah,

(01:08:35):
that's guys. I'm not telling you that Bellatore was on
par with Strikeforce or WEC.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
What I can tell you is I lived through the
UFC absorbing Pride, absorbing WEC, and absorbing Strike Force.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
What happened.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Everybody was phsycked about Pride because their roster was obviously ridiculous. Okay,
that was incredible, blah blah blah. Everybody thought the Strikeforce
fighters were frauds, and everybody thought or not everybody, but
you know, there's a vast array of opinions around that,
and there was a lot of people who thought the
WC guys were going to be a tear down, especially
a one fifty five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
And what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
They came over and fucking kicked everybody's ass, getting people
who are past their prime in tough fights like this
stylistically on top of it, and then declaring, oh, well,
this is what happens when you step up is so shitty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
It's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
It's so shitty to a guy like Patricio, who has
been in the fucking strenches man in this sport, he
deserved a little bit better than when he got from
Rogan and I really really did not like that. That's
the first thing I want to say. The second thing
I want to say is, well, that was most of
what I wanted to say. I don't know I had
another point here. I'm getting worked up about it, but
I really didn't know that was Aaron Pico, to me,

(01:09:48):
is a little bit of a better test case.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, because he's still he's thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Yeah, so okay, right, this is now he's also But
this is the other part. It's like one or two
guys don't make up the whole thing. Eddie came over
and got a title, Eddie Alvarez, like you know, okay,
will Brooks didn't work out, but will Brooks had other issues.
And Michael Chandler came over at thirty fucking fort dude,
thirty four was is old now and he came over
thirty four. The whole thing drives me nuts. The disrespect

(01:10:14):
that he suffered from this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I hate. It's just ridiculous too. That's really tough. I
mean Rogan's mailing it. Oh, I think I remember my
second I remember my second one. How about this at
forty five? Now this, I don't know where UFC's had
is out on this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Pitbull versus Aldoo. How about we just make that fight?

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Wow? No, I mean you should. It's kind of like
one of those ones that you had imagined at some point,
right if if you're following their trajectories, you probably have
imagined that fight taking place. Why not? I mean, where's
Aldo going? You know what I mean? Like it's just
thirty five. I mean I was case to cut an
enormous amount of weight or whatever it is. I mean
I realized he can make it, But like, get him
back at forty five, let him be healthy, Let these

(01:10:52):
duke it up. This is what I mean about two guys.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
You know, Vulk and the way he manipulates the engagement
would be a tough matchup for Pitbull Rnaldo. We'll plant
and wait. That is much more my speed for these
two to match up that way.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Right, that'd be great that hope they do something like
that kind of a legacy fight.

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(01:13:55):
the Hitler part of the show. How about that been waiting?
I didn't I didn't include it, but someone found a
picture of like like one moment where he's scrambling and
he's literally in the shape of my swastika, and they're like,
John Silva got him doing this before we even get
to this, before I even ask this question. Separate question

(01:14:19):
I found, and I didn't even really weigh in on it,
because you know, how often do you want to fight
the third Reich in your mentions? It just becomes taxing
after a little while. But I found this weird desire
to turn him into some kind of like misunderstood victim
of the woke mob. I'm like, guys, it's almost illegal

(01:14:41):
to be woke right now. If you are getting killed
in the media for something you're saying, it has to
be particularly heinous and stupid and utterly irredeemable. And they
tried to turn him. Not they, but there was a
faction of the fandom that tried to turn him into
some like you could never make me hate Bryce. I

(01:15:02):
don't care if you like or hate him, But turning
him into some kind of sympathetic figure, some victim of
an oppressed elite class going after him, you have to
have the same level of brain damage that like, you know,
I don't know, Pick someone else out there who you
don't like. I don't want to make the comparison. Something
has to be wrong with you to think something.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
So absurdly in contradiction to the reality as we understand.
Were you surprised to hear the pop? You heard the
pop out there? And I get it? Crazy. There's a
lot of really confused young men in this world. Young
men in this world need much better role models than
they have. Holy shit, Okay, let's talk about the fight.
Jeon Silva absolutely toying in the end, really with Bryce

(01:15:47):
Mitchell who whatever else you want to say about him,
Chuck is a good fighter.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
This is there's no question about that. He's a good fighter.
But he gets submitted in the second round.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Via ninja choke.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Chuck Silva was unranked into this contest, which we alluded
to earlier. But was this victory enough in your mind
to mark him as a future title contender?

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
I think so. It's just the ease of which he
handled him. I didn't even feel like he feared him anywhere,
did you. I felt like he was just like, wherever
this fight goes, I'm gonna beat your ass. I actually
found it annoying how little he cared. I you know what,
I thought it was dangerous when he was doing He
went in there, he was taking some leg kicks. There's
just this feeling out moment and he's in there just

(01:16:29):
kind of hamming it up a little bit. And I
was like, this is the wrong way to go about this.
But it ended up working just the way he wanted
it to. I talked to him like on what was
it like the Monday of fight week, and you know,
he's one of these guys brings a ton of energy
and you know they're like he's he's gonna switch by
like Thursday where he takes on this lord demeanor and

(01:16:49):
he starts like you know, it gets very fixed on
the fight becomes almost like an animal, and we don't
like to like mess with them. They were kind of
being serious with me, like they're just kind of he
changes and becomes this weird, possessed thing, and I was like, okay, cool,
and so like I see him out there barking this
whole time and just doing that. He gets it, he fit,
he gets the finish, and he's barking over him. It's

(01:17:10):
just it's a crazy It's it's crazy to watch somebody
handle a moment like that. I'm not sure that he
thinks about like maybe the like maybe the the scrutiny
that this fight was under show that picture while you
go ahead and talk over look look at this picture, Chuck. Yeah, exactly.
So he's barking over him. I mean that was a
that was a hell of a performance. And a lot
of times you're waiting, like this guy's been finishing everybody,

(01:17:30):
but like you wait for that performance where everybody's paying attention.
I felt like this was that moment everybody's paying attention
because this fight had so much heat on it because
of Bryce Mitchell and all that. But dude, if you
didn't walk away thinking that Silva was like Tomorrow, like
Tomorrow's contender, you know, I don't know what to do
that that nobody has really other than maybe the Josh
Immitt knockout, which he just you know, he caught him
with a with a big shot. Not too many people

(01:17:52):
are handling Bryce Mitchell that easily, you know. I mean
even to Poria didn't handle him, right. I mean, Tooria
pounded him out in the end, right, but to Porio
got taken down and then kind of elected to stay
down in that fight, at least for the end of
that first round. They mentioned on the broadcast, like it's
too bad that Eliot's a Pooria has left the division.
I agree with him, And because you think of that

(01:18:13):
matchup and it's like, that's what's fun right Once that,
that's when you know that he's already starting to enter
that contender space, when you start to contemplate how he
would handle himself against those types of guys.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
I will I will say this. I people on who
are watching my I did a watch along for this fight. Yeah,
and there were some folks who thought I was cheering
for Silva because I was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
I was actually annoyed at the way he was fighting.
And what I mean by what I mean by that
is I don't mind clowning around at all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I don't care about that. But to me, it only
really works if you're marrying it with an action before
or after. So I'll give you an example.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
You can do it where you style on them like
Silva would like, you know, do like this, and then
when you know, when when Forest Griffin wants to blitz
them just crushing amazing or the opposite where you land
something nice or somebody miss and then you do what
Garbrandt does against Dominic Cruz.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
But then you're right back on the horse. Yes, you're
right back on the horse. And the reason why I
feel this was closer to Silva Maya like when he
was kind of messed around but not I was like, dude,
fucking stop this shit. I know what you're saying to me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
It's like, you can do that against guys where if
you know you're better than them, of course you can
get away with it. I I'm a feeling there's gonna
be guys in this division where he might try that
on and it's not going to be a good idea,
and then you're gonna underperform, and then that's going to
be really annoying to me. I hate when very good
guys underperform. So that was what that was what really
annoyed me. But to the point you raise, the ease

(01:19:37):
with which he dispatched Brice was shocking to me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yeah, was it for you? The ease? Yes of the
ease yes, given everything we're talking about, and you know,
you know sometimes you talk to the team too, and
you're like, you, guys, are you know we've been in
the fight game long enough? What did they eighteen? And
oh the fighting nerds something like it's something nuts and
they have like a crazy finish rate and uh, you
think that can't continue. And then you kind of hear
them in you start to spot over confidence at some

(01:20:03):
point where you're like, uh, they might be getting to
that point where they think they're invincible, and that's usually
when some some kind of humbling aspect happens. I didn't
think that would happen, but I was a little worried.
I guess that Silva would make this fight harder on
himself than he needed to. I thought he would win
the fight. So when he was able to kind of,
you know, after he's kind of hamming it up and stuff,

(01:20:23):
and they starts to turn the fight, and you see
him a couple of exchanges the power like he was
loading up on a couple of those shots. They were
snapping out of there so fast. After you see that
everything play out, and then he leaves this cross eye
brought Bryce Mitchell on the canvas and barking at him.
I was pretty shocked. I was shocked.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
I thought the barking was it was a little much
for me. It was a little a lot of barking
a lot. But the guy is just I guess we're
gonna have to get used. That's his personality.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
On the feet, he's a dynamo, which we already kind
of knew, But dude, the fact that he was stuffing
the single legs like nothing, the fact that he was
able to scramble to his feet, and they weren't worried
about not down at all, they weren't. I think that
he just thought, like, Yeah, if we end up wherever
we end up, I'm gonna beat your ass.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
That's what he thought.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
That's it, and it turned out he was right. I
can't believe I'm saying that. I thought it would be
so much more competitive now because the whole framing prefile
was okay, classic striker versus grappler.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
That's what we got right. And you thought if Bryce.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Who has not just good takedowns, but good submissions, and
you know he can like he is fast acting on
them as well, he can get me. This guy has
a twister submission, for Fox's sake.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Well let me turn it to you, like you saw
the same thing, and you're pointing this out, Like, now
that you've seen him in that sort of situation, do
you see him like as a contender or like, do
you think that he's going to be in that space soon?
I think I would be shocked if he doesn't fight
for a title. I would be shocked. Now, as I
mentioned his discipline issues. You know, just barking at your

(01:21:50):
opponent all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
It's fun to inject life, but if that gets in
the way, like like for example, you know he's unranked,
imagine trying that with Mozart. And I don't know if
Mozart will have better take down, but imagine he does.
And you're treating him like that, This will go real.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Bad for you. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
You cannot do that to everybody. You have to be select.
It's again, it's a it's like making a dish. You
gotta sprinkle just the right amount of salt on top,
just the right amount of sugar in that dish.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
You can't just because if you can. This is fun
for in the novel sense, Like you're watching him do
it once or twice, I go, oh, Okay, this guy's different,
you know whatever. But if you keep doing that, it
can get annoying very fast, because there's something that's played out.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
You know, people were talking after this fight. I saw
Aaron Pico saying this and some other folks they're like,
give Silva a title shot after that, And we talked
about it. That seems like like crazy, Yeah, that'd be crazy, crazy, premature,
but it goes to show you how much he proved
on this night. Now we now the question is not

(01:22:50):
can he exhibit good takedown defence or you know some
of these other questions we were asking. Now it's just okay,
well he's got a lot going for him. How far
can he push this? And I don't know if he'll
win a title or have multiple defenses. He's gonna fight
for a title.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
I don't know Mark be down if the official rankings
came out or the UFC's rankings, I don't know where
he's ending up, but I'm guessing he broke into that space.
It'd be nice to see him. He doesn't need to
be thrust into like a huge, you know, title type fight.
But like there's so many dudes in that top ten
special him versus Gigachikazi, that would be great, right. I
think that that would be the proper type of fight

(01:23:29):
for him next right, like a guy who has that
kind of resume and a veteran like that, that would
be a great fight. Let me pull up the rankings.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
They're not updated yet, but just to get a sense
of who's where. Bryce was sitting at thirteen. As I mentioned,
Silva was unranked. But around that space ten is Josh Emmett.
That would be a sick fight. Eleven Giga Chakazi twelve
by the way, also a sleeper, good fight, Yusef zilal.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Oh, Yeah, that was all of those would be good
to all of them. You could do Cater and Ega too.
I would go a little bit higher, Sterling sitting at nine,
Larne Murphia. I mean, some of the names I feel
like you would walk you go through.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
Listen, listen to listen to Featherweight. We already mentioned Pico
is gonna be out there. We already added Pitbull. You
have Vulk Lopez, ev looev Rodriguez, Ortega, Alan Murphy, Sterling,
Emmett Chakazzi, Zalal, Mitchell, cater IgA, and now you're aiding,
excuse me adding jayon Silva. Imagine if Taporia was there,
and imagine if Max were there, that would be, without question,

(01:24:25):
your best division.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
In the UFC. And it might already be even without these.
It might be because the guys, like, where's Laron Murphy
in that like something like eight? He is sitting at eight.
I mean you look at a guy like that who's
just done nothing but winning. He's not even in their
top five. I mean that top that five, that five,
or that six to ten is pretty deadly. That might
be the best six, six to ten in all divisions,
you know what I mean, Like in terms of like,

(01:24:47):
that's a lot of monsters, and six to ten at
thirty five is Songy dong vera font Sohudo and Bautista
six to ten at featherweight is Brian or Tega, Arnold, Allen, Larone, Murphy,
al Jaman Sterling, Josh Emmett. Yeah it's a little bit better. Yeah, yeah,
that's it's it's crazy. It's gonna be a top five,
you know. Yeah, And so this is what I mean.
I don't think we need to rush him.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Yeah, but somewhere in that space anywhere from Murphy all
the way down to Cater I would I would prefer
maybe Emmett even to do, but I would give him
another striker next. I would actually stay away from Stirling.
I'd give him another striker next.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Something like one would make sense of like both the
Bryce killers, you know, like facing off with each other.
Who if he fought EMMITTT Like oh right, right, oh yeah,
it's like both both guys who gave the b roll.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
So let's talk about Bryce for a second. Let's just
try to be as fur to as a fighter as
we can be. This is a bad loss because he's
got he's young, young ish, he's got enough of a
skill set where it's really silly.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
To count him out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
But I don't know, he seemed was he just fighting
a guy who's gonna go on to do great things,
or did he look a little behind the eight ball
to you in terms of keeping up with.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
The Joneses in this division? It might be that because
you're going to have to have a good stand up
at some point, right or at least inadequate like you're
gonna have like if you if your whole thing is
to take a guy down and just put him in
the deep water, put him on his back, you better
be very good at that. I mean so good that
you're you're in the top space of that if you

(01:26:17):
have not no good striking. I'm not saying he doesn't
have no striking, but it doesn't he the deficiency is there,
you know. I didn't think he shows you enough on
the feet to make you think that he can go
against a lot of the guys in the vision. I
I don't know if he's hit his ceiling. Like you mentioned,
he's kind of a he's a younger guy. He's still
training in Arkansas. Yeah, so I mean that's also you

(01:26:39):
never know what kind of how far you can go. Yeah,
sometimes you got to get it, That's what I mean.
You might need to. He's a very unique guy. He's
very what do we want to say, Like, he's very
genuine to his convictions. But I'm like, at some point
you may have to be uncomfortable. Like he keeps himself
very comfortable where he's at, very nestled into his culture.

(01:27:00):
But I'm like, maybe you need to go out put
yourself in a gym where there's some other killers and
stuff like that, because you're only going to learn your
deficiencies in that situation, right, Like a lot of times
guys go in those situations, Like, man, I thought I
was good here until I started sparring every day with
this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
You know, you know I this is why I always
give credit to Max Holloway. You know, Max is like,
I mean, is there any other guy out of his
camp that has.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Made it to the UFC. That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
It's not only did he make it, he became a
champion and now a BMF champion and never left Hawaii. Yeah,
And the way I'm told that, there's a lot of
teams that wanted him to come train and he was like, no,
I'm going to stick it out in Hawaii. You know,
obviously Hawaii is going to be even with their limitations
it's going to be better than seriously, Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
I'm not trying to be like this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
I'm not trying to be about Kansas, but like you know,
but it like you have to have something very special.
If you're going to say I'm never going to leave
this place where I'm from, there have to be a
lot of other factors that normally aren't there to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Make that to man. Like you know, I was talking
to Peyton Talbot before his fight, right, Like, he trains
in Reno and a pretty small gym. He's got his people,
they all love each other and they train hard, but
he needs to go, like I think he goes to
uh to Northern California, maybe Alpha Man. I forget where
he goes. So he goes somewhere else where he gets
the looks with the other guys, and I think it's necessary.

(01:28:20):
If you don't do that, at some point, you may
be the best in your gym, but or you may
be like you know, styling on these guys. I just
don't know if you have a full gauge of what's wrong,
like what you can't do, you know, Yeah, And that's
where if you go into those kind of bigger places
like syndicate or you know, in Florida or all these
places you see that the guys are. They're pretty humble.

(01:28:42):
They have to be, you know what I mean, because
they know that the guy over there will beat his
ass if he's not, you know what I mean. Like,
it's just I think that at some point you need
to do that. There's the rare exception of guys who
can skip that. But but to your point, it is
very I think Bryce would be specifically, I think Bryce
would benefit from hard to see how his game would
get worse, you know what I mean, hard to see that.
All Right, with the time we have remain, let's go

(01:29:03):
quickly to a bit of a rapid fire addition here
for topic number five, which is simply the rest of
the UFC three fourteen card. I've got five questions. Let's
go through these as rapidly as we can. Okay, how
impressive was dominic Rey as his ability to build himself
back into what appears to be a legitimate title contender
three wins in a row, but after four consecutive defeats

(01:29:25):
three by stoppage two were vicious? Can you believe it?
I know? Well, that's the thing I was like shoveling
dirt on the sky. I wanted him out. I couldn't
for his own sake. That's why. I mean. You see
guys get knocked out to that level and you're like, man,
you can't do it, you can't do it. This is dangerous.
I never thought he'd be able to turn this corner, man,
and then that's three straight knockouts for him too. Kryloff

(01:29:46):
kind of ran into that. It was very uh it
was like a collision, the strike with the we was
going right into it. It was impressive. I still, I
guess I still have a little bit of it, like
a little bit of that caution in my mind. But
I would like I think that Reyes is, like he said,
incredibly one fight probably away from being able to talk
about being in the top of that division, which is

(01:30:07):
a stunning turnaround. I I can't believe it. Yeah, but
MMA is full of these stories where you're like, oh,
this guy's done, and usually you're right, but you got
to be careful sometimes because the guy's refused. Bolkanovsky in
the same night both guys been knocked out, you know,
and Pointsinger and they both they were kind of the
stars right, like a couple of the stars of the night,
so resting. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
If you saw it, Chuck, But how concerned should we
be about the health of Darren Elkins? Elkins in this
fight was taken on Julian Rosa. He got hit with
something and for minutes on end simply could not get
his balance. That was really weird. I rarely say this.
Yeah it was against Julian Rossa. Yeah, I rarely say
this on shows like this. I don't know if he
should fight again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
I know your hesitancy in saying that, but like he's
forty years old and the guy is called the damage.
I know because a lot of times he does take
the damage. And it's just you can't build a reputation
your chin forever, like forty years old. The dude's been
a ton of fights that looked off. Man. They were
saying that it looked like in slow motion. It felt
like it was in half speed. It was almost like
a Rosa was like, I don't want to hurt him too.

(01:31:11):
It was weird, wasn't it. It's like I need to
put them away, I need the referee to stop it.
But I've seen I remember I did.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
I've seen fights where typically more in boxing, where somebody
gets hit with a shot and they can either survive
that round or even the next round. Yeah, but they
can never quite right get their like their balance back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
That's when bad shit happened. That's bad shit, and that's
a bad sign. Yes, that you're just you know, staggering
around like he did that for a full couple of minutes.
I referee could have stopped that just watching him waddle around.

Speaker 6 (01:31:43):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
It's like at some point, like when you talk about
intelligent defense, you've got to take stuff like that into account.
So that one really bothered me. I did not like
that one at all.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
What did you think about Virno Genji Roba getting a
title Well, did you think she earned a title shot
with the shutout of Yanhunan?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
I mean nearly nearly submittedor it was a solid showing
it was never in doubt? Was it? I mean, was
it the like most exciting takedown? Defense has gotten better? Yeah?
You know what I mean? She had she I didn't think.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
I didn't think she had a better ground game than
Ginger Robo, right, but I didn't know exactly how it
was gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
She Gender Roba did well. I thought she looked great.
It wasn't the most exciting fight, but wish she's something
like thirty six. She's in her she's in that age
group where you're like, if you're not going to get
a title shot. Both are definitely over thirty five, So
I think, you know, and I think uh jan On
was number one, like the number one contender, so beating
her should put her in that spot. I'm strictly speaking

(01:32:36):
on merit because there aren't a ton of challenges in
that division, and uh, she makes the most sense for that. Yes,
even though it wasn't the great it's like it was
almost like the Oldberg fight. She I don't know if
she made like this big exclamation mark right here, I
am emphatic statement, but but you're next, But you're next? Yes?
How bad was the stoppage in the Dan E Gayshawan
Woodson about what are your foot are your feelings on it?

(01:32:57):
I know that we were talking about this before. He said,
It's like, is it the worst stoppage you've ever seen?
And It's like it might be among the most inexplicable
I've ever seen, because what was the reasoning for the stoppage?
I don't get it. It was you liked that stop
but you thought it was great? Right? He did, like,
oh yeah, I was raving about it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:15):
No, I was saying that, like it was obviously a
bad stoppage, but I felt like, you put ten more
seconds on.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
That fight, it might continue to go. You know, ten
more seconds is a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
Yeah, Woodson might continue to take unanswered strikes. You're right,
he was like mounting to stand up. It was weird timing,
but I feel like you stop it five seconds earlier,
it might not look as weird.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
I don't know, I I can't The two parts were interesting.
When one was that ega was up on both judges,
excuse me, on all judge score cards on all the rounds,
which I think that there is a case for him
winning two, but it there's also a case for him
losing both.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Actually yeah, but they lost the second round.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Didn't even or there. He was clearly bombing on woods end.
He had rocked him hard and he was following up.
And Egay is a devastator, like was was clearly close
to winning that fight. But if some like what you're
always looking for is coordinated movements to build height, Yes,
and he was doing that, like literally in the middle
of that, and you know, you know, sometimes referees will

(01:34:15):
jump in right as they're moving and it's like, oh,
if you just waited on a second.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
But Woodson was already moving and then he jumped in.
I was like, dude, what the fuck are you doing?
What was happening there? Man? And what's very weird? You
don't need an asterisk in a fight like that. I mean,
the fight was going, I know, and I was going there.
It was going in the direction it was going. It
would have probably ended this way, but it's like, let it,
let it just get to it, Sinatra, Nobody should have
to be talking about this afterward.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
Last, but not least, we've kind of covered almost the
entire thing. Anybody else on this card that stood out to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
You, Chase Hooper, you know, granted his last two opponents,
and Clay Guida and Jim Miller are eighty four years
old combined. Like this, dude's fighting he started, he's fighting
my dad. Yeah, he's fighting the tents of the division.
But dude, I got a hand. It's to him now.
He looked good. He looked good, man like he and
I think from where he started to where he is now,
what twenty five I don't know, like how old is

(01:35:06):
he now? Twenty five? Yeah, he's somewhere in that range,
but I think he is twenty five. He has shown
I'm like that he made let's throw him and then
he made the perfect call out. He said give me
Tom Nolan. I think he said it wasn't that the
guy he called up? Yeah, And I was like, that's
a great fight, another twenty five year old. You have
two young guys. Put him together like that would be great.
So I want to see him against somebody like that.
But I think he has kind of shown that he's

(01:35:28):
turned that corner and you can take him a little
more seriously. Yeah, he's looked very good as last time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
I mean, these guys who come to the UFC so
freaking early, like Hooper and you know, Rosas appears to
be like a good athlete and still very very early
home run. Now it's hard to match make them in
the UFC because you got to be delicate about it.
And people have said this before about Patty. They're like,
you know, he got preferential matchmaking. People think preferential matchmaking
means you're a fraud. They think it means, oh, we're

(01:35:54):
going to give you something easy because we know your shit.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
But that's that's a great point, that's really exactly what.
That's some text.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
But I'm like, dude, sorry, I lived through Connor McGregor
getting the Dennis Seaver fight when Frankie Edgar was like hello,
turned out pretty fucking well for him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Hilarious. So yes, are there are there?

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Are there Page Van's ants or Stage North cuts where
you like you clearly got favorable matchmaking then flamed out. Yes,
that happens. That happens. It's inexact science. But just my
point is just because they're getting it, and Hooper has gotten,
you know, kid gloves in terms of the matchmaking for
the most part, that is appropriate. That is appropriate for
where he's at. If you want him to be anything

(01:36:35):
down the line.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Yeah, he wants to, and I mean he's made, he's
he's committed to it. Like I feel, I feel like
you got to reward that kid now by actually giving
him those challenges he wants it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
I'm like, it's time, right it certainly, it certainly is time.
With that said, it's time for d ms from the
diggity dons.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
I mean, now, listen, there's good people who work on
this show. Yes, they love tilting us with that thing.
They love tilting us. All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Let's go to question number one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
Chuck, this one will go for you should Vulk retire
with the belt like Habib, retiring with the belt seems
like a good investment for the future versus losing the
belt and retiring. This comes from my coprime, h, what
do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
No, I mean, this is how much longer do you
think he's got left? At least a couple of fights?
I think he's got a couple of fights. What is
he He's thirty six, thirty six and a half, right,
I got to September. I believe maybe I think it's
been a lot, but I'll double check. Okay, So anyway,
he's he's not quite there. I think he's got a
couple of fights left him in him. And I also
September seeing it, like basically seeing how good he looked,

(01:37:46):
I don't see any reason to retire. He's not washed. Yeah,
he's not washed. And I also I do believe like
he's a guy who is very smart and he'll figure
out his next move because he loves fighting. He'll figure
out just like you went from rugby to what will
it be? You would be coaching or something else. I
don't know. But he'll have a plan, but he'll have
to hatch that plan. He'll fight in the meantime. Yeah,

(01:38:06):
I think I think two ish three ish fights something
like that, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
But like, yeah, I always say this, like is he
beat Poeton in that incredible win and then lost his
belt in the next one? Like part of how long
he hangs around? He's not gonna hang around if he
loses the belt in the next one. I mean again,
he still might do too, true, but if he loses
in the next one and gets like let's say kot again,
it's gonna hasten his exit.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
He's not gonna true, you know. And what are you
gonna do?

Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
What are you? What are you doing it for? It
that point, you've already done everything in the sport.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
So winning this on Saturday was literally historic. How much
bigger can the Hives be for at this point? Not
that not that high. Let's go to the next next
question here if we can from X A L Underscore
nine thousand and nine, Well, these are the worst names?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Is Patty versus justin Gaegee? Really?

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
The fight to make or could Patty versus Connor Connor
spelled wrong be a top three all time pay per
view all time? How fucking high are you even though
it's quite clear that Patty dominates him. First of all,
Connor versus Patty wouldn't be in the top ten of
pay per views, much less the top three. Yeah, Connor

(01:39:15):
Starr has faded and Patty is not a pay per
view star yet. I mean now he's becoming one. Yeah,
but you got a headline though, that's true. You got
to win at the highest level of those.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Don't get me wrong. Connor versus Patty sells, it sells
ye top three all time. Gu I don't know about here.
Although Connor did say he was going to keep an
eye on this fight. I just realized that we didn't
touch on that now, not that we should.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Connor bet five hundred k on Chandler, and Patty was like,
what was that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Why did you do?

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Was in the post fight press conference. He can't even
win out of the ring man. He's like, well, you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
Know, I mean, he's once again hardly a sympathetic figure
of you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
A Bond people cheering for a Bond villain at this point.
You know, I b C has been very high on
the Connor Patty idea, and I poop poot it, and
I poopoot it and I poop poot it. But I
gotta say it's looking more and more like the Patty
from the other from Okay. So the original side of
that was that Patty probably wouldn't deserve that fight. That

(01:40:14):
would be the first side of that, But now it's
the opposite. It's kind of like I think that it's
like he's like he's like past it now, well kind
of because it's like now you've entered a space that's like,
you know, you're in the rarefied era of like kind
of the Contenders, or you're going to put yourself there.
I don't know where Connor is. I mean at this point,
he's I don't know if he's coming back, That's what
I mean. I don't know if he's coming back. It's

(01:40:34):
exhausting to even contemplate his life anymore because it's just
it's usually bad headlines, you know, speculations coming out and
watching this fight, watching and then nothing happens. We go
on to the next thing until he's actually signed to something.
It's like who cares at this point. You know, the guy,
you know, five years out of the I think it's
five years out of the octagon at this time. So
it's like, what form are you getting him in anyway?
You know? Let me look that up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
Actually, I think Connor is thirty seven as it stands,
let me see. And I think he turned turns thirty
eight in July. No excuse me, thirty six, but he
does turn thirty eight in July, or like Foremann esque
time off at this point, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Going to come back. And was Foreman downing pines at
the Black Forge Inn? Faithful? Come on?

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Like he was eating He was eating a lot of
you know, tasty food, I'm sure by the judgment on
his belly, but Jesus, come on all right. Next from
Berner two three nine is Lopez versus yair ed UFC Mexico.
The best next fight for both guys. We kind of
been over this on the show with the drama. I say, yes,
let me add a little dimension to this, okay, which

(01:41:38):
is the fact that there's like this rivalry about who
what constitutes a real Mexican. I have no way of
winging on this debate, but that's going to be powerful
for the fight sports.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
So one two.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
You know, I'm not here to say that I loved
having to watch Bryce Mitchell on Saturday per se. But
what I will say is, in general fights were there
is rivalry where guys are trying to like fuck with
each other and or hate it. Now, when they force
it and it doesn't work, it's even worse than not
forcing it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
So I understand why a lot of guys don't.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
What I will say is I don't feel like there's
enough rivalry in the modern fight game, in the modern
MMA scene. And this is true for PFL too, especially
especially true for PFL oh big time, where it's just transactional.
You're here, you're here, you fight, you go almost like
it's an assembly line rather than like a curated experience.
We're gonna put that guy against that guy for these

(01:42:31):
reasons and they can't stand one another. I'm missing a
little bit of rivalry for those reasons, among others.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
I love this fight same here, and I agree with
you one hundred percent. They've been talking about like kind
of just tapping into the Mexican market for what twelve years,
I don't know, Like you go back to when they
had Canevelaskaz, you know, fighting there and so dude, this
is the perfect kind of thing for it. You know,
I think that both guys are high profile enough. Sometimes
they would go there when Yaya was fighting, like Jeremy

(01:42:58):
Stevens when I was there. It's like sort of like,
h I don't know who cares, but they still got
behind it. If you have a fight like this, you
know that's really based around uh, you know, the Mexican
Independence Day, like they did at the Sphere, but this
time it's in Guadalajara. I just can't think of a
better situation. I really felt like that felt like genuine
bad blood. Like the way they were arguing, it was

(01:43:19):
like Diego Lopez especially, It's just kind of this really
mild demeanored fellow ultimately, you know, but he was heated.
I'm like, I love it. I love that stuff. And
also like not for nothing, but the style contrast, I agree.
I mean that both guys are like you know, lanky idol,
you know, yeah, all action affair between those two guys.
Like so there's like, I mean, every reason, and they

(01:43:40):
were selling I was at that Sphere card they were
selling so much that you know, the Mexican spirit, the
fighting spirit. Dude, you're gonna you're gonna put on an
exhibition of what that means if you put those two
guys together, right, Yeah, no question about it all right.
Next from fayhe Liam.

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Can't be an American. We have a bit on this show.
What a stadium Muay Thai champion? So that would be
Roger dominant or Lampini with incredible takedown ability slash defense
be the most dominant fighter at MMA. No, Or would
an NCAA wrestling champion with fantastic boxing have.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
His or her way with them? Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
I'm always going to pick somebody who's got natural wrestling,
who learns.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
The best base or the opposite. Yeah, I still think
that's the best base you can get champions in either way. True,
but I think that I think if you have a
very solid wrestling base and you're able to add above
average striking, usually you can have a career in MMA,
you know, like guys have done that. Like if you
can just kind of take the fight where you need

(01:44:43):
to take it at any given time, I think that
you're always going to have a better chance, right, Like,
So if you have a strength that those guys have
in these positions and they're used to competing at the
ridiculous levels. Like a lot of those guys. True, that
is true, But I mean like in terms of like
collegiate wrest, you know, they've had a hundreds of meats
and the really good ones. Like Bo Nickel for instance,

(01:45:06):
he's already like he's already been kind of celebrated within
that sport, So like this doesn't feel like a big
step for him to go into the UFC. It almost
feels like, oh, this is just another Sunday at the park,
you know. Yeah. But I mean, if anything, that like
the Poeton and Izzy and those guys have kind of
showed that there's a little bit of a changing of
the guard if you can learn good takedown defense and

(01:45:28):
you can you know, put yourself into advantageous situation, you know,
these this stuff too. Like a lot of these guys
are shining these days too.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
So I would just say though, like when people are like, oh,
what if you're a good strike put the question of.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
One more time there was some one more time ability
slash defense.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
Yeah, look at the way he wrote the question with
incredible takedown ability.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Well he got ability in there too. Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
Typically the way it's framed is if if they have
good defense. And one of the issues that Poeton ran
into is I guess, I guess he was sick and
he had a bust in hand. One of the issues
that he ran into in that on Calia fight was
that he could only defend the takedown. Now, I know
he went for it against Izzy, but against somebody who
is a little bit more nimble with it, he was
much more reserved, right, And to me, it's like, you've

(01:46:08):
got to have two way wrestling in the sport unless
you've got like a strum mean, you have to have
some completely insane skill set to get around that. And
even as good as poton As he doesn't have that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
So it takes a determination to to want to add
wrestling because it's nobody wants to be nobody. When you
get to the MMA level, like and you're trying to
make an inmate, that's like the least people don't want
to be training wrestling. You know, it's it's exhausting, I know,
it's exhaust hard. The defensive wrestling especially, people are like
not that you know, it's it's frustrating, you know, and

(01:46:37):
you're just constantly getting manipulated.

Speaker 4 (01:46:39):
And I remember, why this is a true story. I
think I've told this before. You know, the music that
I listened to is like very aggressive, like you know,
fuck your life and all that kind of stuff. And
I remember one time I had an unusually bad wrestling practice,
like I got fucking hammered.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
It was, it was bad. And this was when I
first started too, like when I.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Was like, well, I take wrestling classes and I was
in my twenties, so like, you know, I was late
to it when a lot of guys in that class.
I laid a bare minimum wrestled four years in high school,
you know, and I hear I am coming into it
and I don't know shit, and there was like, you know,
there's also division ie guys in there, and dude, I
remember there was one class, dude where I got absolutely thrashed, okay, humiliated. Yeah,

(01:47:21):
And I remember class was over and I showered, I
grabbed my shit and everyone was cool, you know, like
some days it's not your day. And I remember I
put on my headphones to get on the metro to
go home, and my music was like you know, fuck
you mom, you know, eat shit, And I was like
I can't even listen to this because of what a
what a phony I am, how a weakling I am.

(01:47:43):
I would not let myself listen to that music for
how humiliated I felt.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it in good conscience.
I was like, I'm living a lie by listening to this.
You know that's interesting?

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
So, uh, they'll do that to you. And I've had
bad days I had. I had a couple bad days
in the boxing gym too, where like beheze you and stuff.
But I never felt like I did after.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Render you helpless, Like it makes you feel like you're
feeble and don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Yeah, totally, totally, and like there's something psychological about just
being manipulated that way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
All right, Last, but not least, I think we have
one more nan to soar.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
USC three or fourteen showcased five featherweight bouts out of
thirteen fights. Should the UFC organize more cards around particular
weight classes, for example, have a full card with primarily
lightweights or welterweights.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
What are your thoughts now?

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
You might recall years ago they did that all heavyweight card,
which I was skeptical.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
Of ahead of a Memorial Day week, and when I remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
I was skeptical of that card, and in retrospect it
actually worked.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
It worked. I gotta say, I think they should be
careful about it, but I like the idea. I do
like the idea too, because a lot of times, so
much about what happens in matchmaking is timing. So if
you have guys on the same card and you know
they're all in the same kind of areas, you can
kind of find out who should be facing who coming
out of it. You know. That's one of the reasons

(01:49:01):
we're talking about Diego and Yair is because they were
both on the same card. I kind of dig that
sort of aspect of it. If you have guys that
are similar or there might be stakes in that sense,
at least in that you know, at least the timing
should shake out unless somebody gets hurt, you know. So
that aspect of it has always been good. They've had
a few of these cards recently where they have the

(01:49:21):
same weight class at least, like in three of the
main card fights. I've seen this happening more and more.
So I don't know if that's a conscious decision by
the matchmakers, if that's just coincidental, but I dig it.
And obviously it's a separate question.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
But like in Victis being a woman's only promotion, they
have only women's fights.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
But I think that there are a bunch of ways
you could do it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
You could have you know, like I don't know what's
going to happen in the next television deal. Yeah, we
live through the Fox deal where the main cards were
only four fights. Yes, that gives you some ways to
play with the roster a little bit. You could do
all women's fights if you again, the current scent of
women's of a man, I think makes that a little hard.
But you know, I'm just saying, weight class whatever, there

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is different ways to do that when you have a
limited main card and you're looking for a big punch.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
You know, speaking of the women, how are you going
to induct Amanda Nunis into the Hall of Fame and
yet still have a comeback?

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Well, that hall of fame is not a traditional hall
of fame. Also, you know, I mean, here's the thing.
It's the UFCS. It's the UFC's Hall of Fame. They
can just do whatever they want. That's that's the first thing.
I guess that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
We all hold it to some weird standard, like the
NFL they got to be five years they got to be.
It's not the NFL Hall of Fame, it's the football
Hall of Fame, exactly. It's different, exactly in the case
of this one, though, I will say, like, of all
the ones to go to the mat on, she's obviously
going to get in.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
You know what I mean, Like it's like, okay, fine,
you know, but whatever, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
I guess. It feels like they should at least be
out of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
And there's typically a way for folks who don't know
how this works, who or don't watch other sports, like
Laura and Luke, there are there's a waiting.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
Period that you have a way. Typically what she watches football,
he loves baseball. We had a whole conversation if you
watch are you a Jets fan? I just said, I
don't watch, but I know what people, I am a
Jets fan though, that's why doesn't watch football. If I
was a Jets fan, I would also play.

Speaker 6 (01:51:14):
I'm also a Nixon Islanders fan. I mean, life hasn't
been easy, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Islanders Islanders are how are the Islanders this season? The
eliminated from the players.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
Yeah, I think the I think the Capital's first place
in the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Yeah, they did, thank you for that. For the trade though, Luke,
the Avalanche looking really good because the Islander they picked
up Nelson. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's all the questions.
We're done. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
Hey, let's one more reminder. Speaking of questions, put it
up on the screen if you can't Long Island. Luke
Morning Combat at gmail dot com. There's gonna be a
Luke Squared edition.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Really yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be me and him. We'll
be You're gonna give him a share of a T shirt.
Spec is just sitting out there, you know, like BC,
can you come to work? And he's like, fuck off.
You know, we can't get him to do anything. See,
I can't. I can't crack into any of in any
of the swag yet. Man. Eventually, well, I mean I'm
I don't think I've been featured. I wore the periwig
for you guys once as a judge. Oh right, yeah,

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we will get you some dude. They do that. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
You know who is generous about the clothing, Well, actually,
everybody who works on this DraftKings has been good about it.
Corvo's really good about it too. They send us boxes
of shit. It's amazing. The booze or is including the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Booze not living.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
So they there's like another package coming one time, and
I was like, okay, guys, don't get me wrong, I'm
gonna take the liquor, but I've already gotten like six bottles.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
And then it was a full of clothes, hoodies, like
all kinds of cool shit.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
Where mayhair bro And by the way, I want to
remind every one of course, today's episode is presented by
our good friends at DraftKings.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
DraftKings. The Crown is yours, Chuck anything you want to
plug before we get out of here, not too much.
I mean I'm riding over it to Uncrowned. As we
mentioned off the top, got a bunch of stuff coming
out over the next couple of weeks, so keep an
eye for the byline.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
I did want to do a short version of have
you seen this ship? And absence of Okay, I'm not
going to, but I sent one video to BC on
vacation and have you guys seen it? It's this like
giant silver backed gorilla at some zoo and he's like
actively shitting in his palm and then immediately he eats
it like like dude, I want to be clear, like

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no hesitation, like he wanted that dish served warm. I'll
put it that way. And I sent it to BC
and I was like, BC, you're not gonna believe this.
There's video of you eating Rby's in high school.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
And I sent it to him like it was a
good big.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
I was gonna play that, but then I was like,
you know what, I don't know if I can show Gorilla.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Even worse that you explained it. If you haven't seen it,
it's great. It's a great video that Gorilla just went
to work on that all right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
As I mentioned, mornan combat at gmail dot com for
all the questions, get those in as soon as you
possibly can. Don't forget Thank you to all of our sponsors, Quervo,
Gold Belly, Hule, DraftKings, the whole nine yard. Don't forget
about Mother's Day. Get your flowers too, You fucking fucking
apes out there. Get it done. But we're done today,
We're done. That's it for Brian Campbell, who's on vacation.

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For the whole crew here for Boing is on Luke
for Chuckman and Hull. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys
so much for watching today's MK. We'll see you later
and until next time, May all of your gains be
loyal