May 20, 2025 • 15 mins
In honor of Mental Health Awareness Month, New Covenant Church in Pompano Beach is hosting a morning conference on the topics of anxiety and depression. on Tuesday's Mornings with Eric and Brigitte, Joe White, a counselor and ordained pastor who will speak at this conference will give us a preview on the important issues that will be tackled at this free event.
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S1 (00:03):
You're listening to Moody Radio 89.3. This is mornings with
Eric and Bridget.
S2 (00:07):
Well, May really is kind of a busy month. We
talked about Foster Care Awareness Month being May. We've got
Memorial Day that's just around the corner. And so there's
Military Appreciation Month. But May is also mental health awareness month.
And you know, I feel like more and more we're
hearing people talk about anxiety and how to understand it
(00:29):
or even coping with grief and loss. And I'm glad
we're talking about it more openly, because I feel like
for a long time many people have been suffering in silence.
S1 (00:38):
Yeah, this might be a simplistic example, but this weekend
we had some things happening around the house. And, you know,
we we had some things we had to deal with.
S2 (00:49):
Like a leak.
S1 (00:50):
Like a leak.
S2 (00:50):
A water.
S1 (00:50):
Leak, and then some other things that had to. And
I was like, there's just too much. I was like,
there was so much that I was thinking about and
dealing with. In my mind, it was just too much.
And my wife simply said, let's pray. So that was important.
We just stopped and we prayed. And even as we
were praying, I was like things were lining up in
my mind, if that makes sense. So this is how
(01:12):
we can get this accomplished. This is what we need
to do next. This is what's most important. This is
what's least important. And I really felt like my Heavenly
Father was helping us, helping me in that time of
prayer to align things right in my mind, I needed that.
I needed my wife to say, we need to pray.
Many times that's not where we go that that anxiety
hits and it just continues to snowball in our brain.
(01:35):
And we get lost in details and we get lost
in anxiety and fear. And we just, we, uh, our
minds are our worst enemy in that time. Many times.
S2 (01:44):
Yeah. Because what happens if that water leak and all
the things that are going on and then it's, you know,
more is piled on top and then more and more
and more and then you feel like I can't get
up from underneath all these things that are, you know,
crashing down on me. And that's where a lot of
people are living right now. And if that's you or
someone you love, you will want to be a part
(02:05):
of this mental health workshop that's coming to our community
in Pompano Beach, thanks to New Covenant Church. And Joe
White is going to be the speaker. You know, mental
health counselor, but also an ordained minister. Joe, I'm sure
you can relate to just hearing people feel overwhelmed in life.
That's not a new thing, but I feel like more
(02:26):
and more people are experiencing the effects of it and
talking about it these days, right?
S3 (02:32):
Absolutely. In fact, I feel some anxiety right now just
imagining that water leak and what to do about it.
S4 (02:38):
Yes.
S1 (02:39):
It it does. And it's it piles like Bridget was saying.
It piles on. It does does does Scripture speak to
these things? Does does the Bible give us answers or
hope in this situation?
S3 (02:52):
Well, yeah, I mean, amazingly so it does. There's a
whole lot in Scripture about this. Of course, you're not
going to find, you know, some modern day clinical terms necessarily. Um,
you know, you're also not going to find, you know,
instructions on how to bake an apple pie in the Bible.
It doesn't mean that God doesn't love apple pie, right?
And so we have, um, common grace. Uh, there's just
(03:14):
things that we've learned, um, kind of as, uh, through
God's grace, we've, uh, we've grown in our understanding of
how he's wired us and how he's wired the world.
And so, uh, there's so many tools out there, but
the Bible speaks very deeply about these issues. Uh, whether
or not it uses, uh, some of these terms directly. Now, anxiety,
(03:36):
I mean, that as a word does show up, uh,
you know, in several places Jesus speaks directly to it. Uh,
I say it's one of the most gracious commands, uh,
that we find in all. You know, we don't we
don't really like commands very much, do we? But his command,
do not be anxious is. Oh, gosh, that thank you
(03:57):
for saying that Jesus and telling me thing to do that,
you know, now, doing that can be rather tricky. And
kind of learning how to trust Jesus in our worry
can be tricky, but I love that he speaks into that. Uh,
him speaking into that validates, uh, that, that that's part
of our experience. Uh, just in that just in that
(04:20):
short little passage in the sermon on the Mount, he,
you know, he says it three times. Don't worry. Three times.
Don't be anxious. So he he obviously gets us. He
understands that we would be carrying around a lot of anxiety, potentially,
in the broken world that we live in. He doesn't
want us to.
S2 (04:38):
Yeah. It's funny you mentioned sermon on the Mount. I
was literally reading that this morning and where it says,
blessed are those who mourn. I know one of the
topics you're going to be discussing is dealing with grief.
So how can there be a blessing or hope in
the midst of grief?
S3 (04:56):
Yeah, that's a great question. Uh, hope. Hope is a
tricky one, right? Because we are, um, you know, the
Bible invites us to this grand hope, um, because we
have a God who's going to take all that is
broken and one day make it right and fix it. Um,
(05:16):
and so we have a true hope. Nevertheless, we live
in this world of, um, what Dan called shattered. Shalom. Uh,
you know, we're we're made. We're made for shalom. In fact,
one of the, um, uh, kind of chief verses that
New Covenant, uh, in Pompano is, is referencing and meditating
(05:38):
on this month is Psalm 3527. The Lord delights in
the well-being of his servant. That word well-being is that
word shalom. Or in the New Testament, uh, Eirene a peace.
But it's more than peace, of course. It's it's wholeness.
It's everything in its right place. And that's what we're
(06:00):
made for. But we live in a world of shattered shalom.
We all have parts of our stories where, gosh, we
were everything did feel like it was in its right place.
And then, you know, something just blew it up and,
you know, obliterated it. And, and so, uh, sadness and
grief is a part of life in this world. Um,
(06:22):
sadness and grief. I'm going to be talking about this
this weekend. It doesn't. Sadness and grief do not equal, uh, depression.
Sadness and grief is a part of life in a
world that is sad. Uh, in a world that is broken.
And so there is much to grieve, uh, because to
live life is to know loss. Right? Um, now, sometimes
(06:43):
it can kind of grip us in a way that, uh,
that maybe kind of gets us stuck. Uh, and that's
where we might start using words like depression, and that's
where we might start, you know, really needing the help
of others to kind of help walk us out of
those places. Um, but, uh, I think your original question. Yeah.
How is there blessing in that? I think, you know,
(07:07):
the blessing. Just the Bible being full of lament, raw
and honest lament. I mean, frankly, there are prayers in
the Bible that I think many of us, we read
them and we want to start apologizing to God on
behalf of the author. You know, he didn't mean that God.
He was a you know, he was in a bad state.
Give him a pass on that one that was a
little strong, that just the raw honesty of lament in
(07:31):
the Bible. It's an invitation to us. I think it's
God's gift to us to say, hey, I know that
this is the broken world that you're living in. I
want you to come to me and bring it all, uh,
cry it out, uh, vent it out, groan it, uh,
to me. And so I think part of the blessing,
at least, at least in part, uh, part of an
(07:53):
answer to your question, is that when we come to
God with that raw and honest lament. There's a connection
and an intimacy with him that I. I don't know
if we get it any other way.
S1 (08:07):
One of the things you talk about is, uh, helping.
Helping us to grow and resilience. And I was in
my backyard the other day. We have a mango tree
that hasn't done anything for seven years that it's been
in our backyard. And so we're ready to cut this
thing down. And this year, the mango tree actually has
some fruit. And so I'm actually walking back towards the
(08:27):
mango tree. And I get hit in the head because
I didn't see the mango. And those things are harder
than I thought. And so I'm looking at this mango
that hits me on the head. And it's got this
little stem holding it to the tree. I'm like, how
is that little stem holding that mango, which is pretty
heavy and hard to that tree. And I think that's
because it's resilient. It's been built for that. What do
(08:51):
you mean by resilience and is that a good explanation
of it by chance?
S3 (08:57):
Well I love that explanation of it. I don't I
don't have a mango tree, I wish I did. I
make it a point to only buy the soft ones though,
because they are.
S5 (09:05):
They're hard ones.
S3 (09:07):
They're hard when they. Yeah. When they're when they're just
kind of right off the tree. What I would imagine. Yeah.
I bet that hurt. Um, yeah. I think that's a
that's a really interesting picture there. What it makes me
think of, you know, is the, um, the power of
our faith. And I didn't make this up, I think.
I think Tim Keller, you know, talked a lot about
this concept, but the the power of our faith is,
(09:29):
is in the object of it. Right. And so, um, that,
that root that, that we grab Ahold of as maybe
we're slipping, um, you know, the strength of that root
and how deep it's going. Uh, and that's our that's
Jesus having a hold of us. Um, and so obviously resilience, uh,
(09:50):
for us as believers is going to start with his, uh,
grip on us, uh, his having Ahold of us. Um,
and then, of course, there's this dance of, um, you know, Paul.
Paul using that phrase, um, I believe in Philippians of
take taking hold of the one who has laid hold
of me kind of idea like he's holding us. And
(10:12):
so what does trust look like for us as we, um,
as we hold on to him, but trusting, uh, that
he is the one holding us. So, in part, I
think resilience, you know, it resides in that, uh, category
of faith. But also, you know, there's all these passages
and scripture and certainly it's all over the Psalms, this
(10:33):
idea of waiting on God. You know, you were waiting
on that tree to when is this tree going to
going to bear fruit. I was talking with a client
the other day. Um, and he was, you know, a
year ago, he felt like God had made it really
clear to him that there was a there was something
coming that was going to be a change, you know,
(10:54):
maybe a career change or a different position. And, and
he had kind of felt freed to start dreaming about
that change and praying about it. And we were meeting
just this week and he was like, gosh, that was
a year ago. And I feel like since then, um,
I just I haven't heard from God on what that
next step is. And he hasn't opened up those doors and, and, uh,
(11:15):
just those seasons of waiting. And of course, you know,
it draws our mind back to, you know, how to
how how did Abraham how did he feel? You know,
just decades and decades of how to promise. But waiting.
But waiting is just waiting is painful. And I think
that we, um, we tend to want to go in
(11:36):
our waiting because, you know, waiting is very, uh, very
interconnected with that idea of hope that I mentioned earlier. Um,
in our waiting, it's really tempting to want to go
to either cynicism. Um, you know, it just is what
it is. And nothing's ever going to change or to
go to some sort of deadening of our desire, you know, like,
(11:58):
I'm just not going to, you know, I planted this
mango tree in the backyard. It's been seven years. You
know what? I don't even really like mangoes. Right? And
go to the deadening of desire or just, you know,
of course, the tree that I plant, you know, I.
Of course, it's not going to bear fruit. I don't
know how to, you know, plant. So either that cynicism
or deadening of desire and what we're called to is
(12:19):
clinging to that hope, which is acknowledging a deep longing
that we have in us for God to really do
things about, you know, the brokenness in us and in
our relationships and really crying out to him for that
while expecting that he is going to come through. We
just don't we don't quite know, know the timing. And
so and then mixed, you know, in with all of
(12:42):
that in terms of resilience. We need other people. We
can't we can't do this alone. Um I know I
certainly can't um, and the things that I've battled and
the things that I battled, I, I feel like I
need a boardroom of people just in my life, um,
you know, helping me do life. Um, so we need
other people to be resilient as well?
S2 (13:03):
Absolutely. And, you know, this mental health health workshop that's
happening this Saturday at New Covenant Church in Pompano Beach,
free of charge, because they realize this is a need
for all of us. And maybe you can just speak
to that, speak to a church saying we need to
provide resources for the community on this mental health issue.
(13:25):
Not all churches are seeing that need. So this is
I applaud, I want to say New Covenant Church for this,
but what does that do for you as a counselor
or therapist and a pastor, to see that a church
is saying this is vitally important?
S3 (13:41):
I love it, I love it so much. Um, obviously
it's something um, just the topic in general is really
near and dear to my heart, partly because I've lived through, um,
significant seasons of anxiety. I've lived through significant seasons of depression, um,
clinical anxiety, uh, you know, clinical depression. Um, and, you know,
(14:04):
in those seasons, uh, I leaned on a counselor. I
leaned on people in my life. You know, I was also,
I mean, the height of my anxiety, uh, in the
midst of seeing a counselor, uh, once a week and
and talking to to dear friends and trying to lean
on them. I was also reading, memorizing, meditating on Psalm
(14:26):
16 every night just to just to go to sleep
and trying to surrender, uh, the worry that I was carrying, uh,
to God. So it's all there, you know, that's the
thing is, is, um, you know, I feel like maybe some, uh,
groups or some people, even some Christians might have a
stigma about, um, the topic of counseling and mental health. Hey,
(14:50):
don't we just need to pray more? And, yes, of course, uh,
we need to pray more. Uh, but what does it
look like to truly bring to God these aspects of
our story, especially if we believe that he's the author,
the ultimate author of our story. What does it look
like for us to entrust to him utter brokenness and
that shattered shalom that I mentioned earlier? And I think
(15:13):
that's a very that's a deep and complex topic. Um,
on the one hand, yes. Bring your prayers to him.
On the other hand, uh, what does it look like
to truly surrender those things to him? And so that's
what we're going to be talking about. I love that
they're they're bringing this this conference and that it's free
of charge. Uh, and I hope it encourages some people.
S1 (15:34):
Yeah. They would like you for you to register to
the event. And so you can find out that information
at our website. Eric and bridget.org. You'll see that available there.
We appreciate Joe White joining us this morning and giving
us some some help. And he's going to be there
for some more help, starting again at 8:00 this Saturday
morning at New Covenant Church in Pompano. And again the
(15:55):
registration information is available at Eric and Bridget Dot.
You're listening to Moody Radio 89.3. This is mornings with
Eric and Bridget.
S2 (00:07):
Well, May really is kind of a busy month. We
talked about Foster Care Awareness Month being May. We've got
Memorial Day that's just around the corner. And so there's
Military Appreciation Month. But May is also mental health awareness month.
And you know, I feel like more and more we're
hearing people talk about anxiety and how to understand it
(00:29):
or even coping with grief and loss. And I'm glad
we're talking about it more openly, because I feel like
for a long time many people have been suffering in silence.
S1 (00:38):
Yeah, this might be a simplistic example, but this weekend
we had some things happening around the house. And, you know,
we we had some things we had to deal with.
S2 (00:49):
Like a leak.
S1 (00:50):
Like a leak.
S2 (00:50):
A water.
S1 (00:50):
Leak, and then some other things that had to. And
I was like, there's just too much. I was like,
there was so much that I was thinking about and
dealing with. In my mind, it was just too much.
And my wife simply said, let's pray. So that was important.
We just stopped and we prayed. And even as we
were praying, I was like things were lining up in
my mind, if that makes sense. So this is how
(01:12):
we can get this accomplished. This is what we need
to do next. This is what's most important. This is
what's least important. And I really felt like my Heavenly
Father was helping us, helping me in that time of
prayer to align things right in my mind, I needed that.
I needed my wife to say, we need to pray.
Many times that's not where we go that that anxiety
hits and it just continues to snowball in our brain.
(01:35):
And we get lost in details and we get lost
in anxiety and fear. And we just, we, uh, our
minds are our worst enemy in that time. Many times.
S2 (01:44):
Yeah. Because what happens if that water leak and all
the things that are going on and then it's, you know,
more is piled on top and then more and more
and more and then you feel like I can't get
up from underneath all these things that are, you know,
crashing down on me. And that's where a lot of
people are living right now. And if that's you or
someone you love, you will want to be a part
(02:05):
of this mental health workshop that's coming to our community
in Pompano Beach, thanks to New Covenant Church. And Joe
White is going to be the speaker. You know, mental
health counselor, but also an ordained minister. Joe, I'm sure
you can relate to just hearing people feel overwhelmed in life.
That's not a new thing, but I feel like more
(02:26):
and more people are experiencing the effects of it and
talking about it these days, right?
S3 (02:32):
Absolutely. In fact, I feel some anxiety right now just
imagining that water leak and what to do about it.
S4 (02:38):
Yes.
S1 (02:39):
It it does. And it's it piles like Bridget was saying.
It piles on. It does does does Scripture speak to
these things? Does does the Bible give us answers or
hope in this situation?
S3 (02:52):
Well, yeah, I mean, amazingly so it does. There's a
whole lot in Scripture about this. Of course, you're not
going to find, you know, some modern day clinical terms necessarily. Um,
you know, you're also not going to find, you know,
instructions on how to bake an apple pie in the Bible.
It doesn't mean that God doesn't love apple pie, right?
And so we have, um, common grace. Uh, there's just
(03:14):
things that we've learned, um, kind of as, uh, through
God's grace, we've, uh, we've grown in our understanding of
how he's wired us and how he's wired the world.
And so, uh, there's so many tools out there, but
the Bible speaks very deeply about these issues. Uh, whether
or not it uses, uh, some of these terms directly. Now, anxiety,
(03:36):
I mean, that as a word does show up, uh,
you know, in several places Jesus speaks directly to it. Uh,
I say it's one of the most gracious commands, uh,
that we find in all. You know, we don't we
don't really like commands very much, do we? But his command,
do not be anxious is. Oh, gosh, that thank you
(03:57):
for saying that Jesus and telling me thing to do that,
you know, now, doing that can be rather tricky. And
kind of learning how to trust Jesus in our worry
can be tricky, but I love that he speaks into that. Uh,
him speaking into that validates, uh, that, that that's part
of our experience. Uh, just in that just in that
(04:20):
short little passage in the sermon on the Mount, he,
you know, he says it three times. Don't worry. Three times.
Don't be anxious. So he he obviously gets us. He
understands that we would be carrying around a lot of anxiety, potentially,
in the broken world that we live in. He doesn't
want us to.
S2 (04:38):
Yeah. It's funny you mentioned sermon on the Mount. I
was literally reading that this morning and where it says,
blessed are those who mourn. I know one of the
topics you're going to be discussing is dealing with grief.
So how can there be a blessing or hope in
the midst of grief?
S3 (04:56):
Yeah, that's a great question. Uh, hope. Hope is a
tricky one, right? Because we are, um, you know, the
Bible invites us to this grand hope, um, because we
have a God who's going to take all that is
broken and one day make it right and fix it. Um,
(05:16):
and so we have a true hope. Nevertheless, we live
in this world of, um, what Dan called shattered. Shalom. Uh,
you know, we're we're made. We're made for shalom. In fact,
one of the, um, uh, kind of chief verses that
New Covenant, uh, in Pompano is, is referencing and meditating
(05:38):
on this month is Psalm 3527. The Lord delights in
the well-being of his servant. That word well-being is that
word shalom. Or in the New Testament, uh, Eirene a peace.
But it's more than peace, of course. It's it's wholeness.
It's everything in its right place. And that's what we're
(06:00):
made for. But we live in a world of shattered shalom.
We all have parts of our stories where, gosh, we
were everything did feel like it was in its right place.
And then, you know, something just blew it up and,
you know, obliterated it. And, and so, uh, sadness and
grief is a part of life in this world. Um,
(06:22):
sadness and grief. I'm going to be talking about this
this weekend. It doesn't. Sadness and grief do not equal, uh, depression.
Sadness and grief is a part of life in a
world that is sad. Uh, in a world that is broken.
And so there is much to grieve, uh, because to
live life is to know loss. Right? Um, now, sometimes
(06:43):
it can kind of grip us in a way that, uh,
that maybe kind of gets us stuck. Uh, and that's
where we might start using words like depression, and that's
where we might start, you know, really needing the help
of others to kind of help walk us out of
those places. Um, but, uh, I think your original question. Yeah.
How is there blessing in that? I think, you know,
(07:07):
the blessing. Just the Bible being full of lament, raw
and honest lament. I mean, frankly, there are prayers in
the Bible that I think many of us, we read
them and we want to start apologizing to God on
behalf of the author. You know, he didn't mean that God.
He was a you know, he was in a bad state.
Give him a pass on that one that was a
little strong, that just the raw honesty of lament in
(07:31):
the Bible. It's an invitation to us. I think it's
God's gift to us to say, hey, I know that
this is the broken world that you're living in. I
want you to come to me and bring it all, uh,
cry it out, uh, vent it out, groan it, uh,
to me. And so I think part of the blessing,
at least, at least in part, uh, part of an
(07:53):
answer to your question, is that when we come to
God with that raw and honest lament. There's a connection
and an intimacy with him that I. I don't know
if we get it any other way.
S1 (08:07):
One of the things you talk about is, uh, helping.
Helping us to grow and resilience. And I was in
my backyard the other day. We have a mango tree
that hasn't done anything for seven years that it's been
in our backyard. And so we're ready to cut this
thing down. And this year, the mango tree actually has
some fruit. And so I'm actually walking back towards the
(08:27):
mango tree. And I get hit in the head because
I didn't see the mango. And those things are harder
than I thought. And so I'm looking at this mango
that hits me on the head. And it's got this
little stem holding it to the tree. I'm like, how
is that little stem holding that mango, which is pretty
heavy and hard to that tree. And I think that's
because it's resilient. It's been built for that. What do
(08:51):
you mean by resilience and is that a good explanation
of it by chance?
S3 (08:57):
Well I love that explanation of it. I don't I
don't have a mango tree, I wish I did. I
make it a point to only buy the soft ones though,
because they are.
S5 (09:05):
They're hard ones.
S3 (09:07):
They're hard when they. Yeah. When they're when they're just
kind of right off the tree. What I would imagine. Yeah.
I bet that hurt. Um, yeah. I think that's a
that's a really interesting picture there. What it makes me
think of, you know, is the, um, the power of
our faith. And I didn't make this up, I think.
I think Tim Keller, you know, talked a lot about
this concept, but the the power of our faith is,
(09:29):
is in the object of it. Right. And so, um, that,
that root that, that we grab Ahold of as maybe
we're slipping, um, you know, the strength of that root
and how deep it's going. Uh, and that's our that's
Jesus having a hold of us. Um, and so obviously resilience, uh,
(09:50):
for us as believers is going to start with his, uh,
grip on us, uh, his having Ahold of us. Um,
and then, of course, there's this dance of, um, you know, Paul.
Paul using that phrase, um, I believe in Philippians of
take taking hold of the one who has laid hold
of me kind of idea like he's holding us. And
(10:12):
so what does trust look like for us as we, um,
as we hold on to him, but trusting, uh, that
he is the one holding us. So, in part, I
think resilience, you know, it resides in that, uh, category
of faith. But also, you know, there's all these passages
and scripture and certainly it's all over the Psalms, this
(10:33):
idea of waiting on God. You know, you were waiting
on that tree to when is this tree going to
going to bear fruit. I was talking with a client
the other day. Um, and he was, you know, a
year ago, he felt like God had made it really
clear to him that there was a there was something
coming that was going to be a change, you know,
(10:54):
maybe a career change or a different position. And, and
he had kind of felt freed to start dreaming about
that change and praying about it. And we were meeting
just this week and he was like, gosh, that was
a year ago. And I feel like since then, um,
I just I haven't heard from God on what that
next step is. And he hasn't opened up those doors and, and, uh,
(11:15):
just those seasons of waiting. And of course, you know,
it draws our mind back to, you know, how to
how how did Abraham how did he feel? You know,
just decades and decades of how to promise. But waiting.
But waiting is just waiting is painful. And I think
that we, um, we tend to want to go in
(11:36):
our waiting because, you know, waiting is very, uh, very
interconnected with that idea of hope that I mentioned earlier. Um,
in our waiting, it's really tempting to want to go
to either cynicism. Um, you know, it just is what
it is. And nothing's ever going to change or to
go to some sort of deadening of our desire, you know, like,
(11:58):
I'm just not going to, you know, I planted this
mango tree in the backyard. It's been seven years. You
know what? I don't even really like mangoes. Right? And
go to the deadening of desire or just, you know,
of course, the tree that I plant, you know, I.
Of course, it's not going to bear fruit. I don't
know how to, you know, plant. So either that cynicism
or deadening of desire and what we're called to is
(12:19):
clinging to that hope, which is acknowledging a deep longing
that we have in us for God to really do
things about, you know, the brokenness in us and in
our relationships and really crying out to him for that
while expecting that he is going to come through. We
just don't we don't quite know, know the timing. And
so and then mixed, you know, in with all of
(12:42):
that in terms of resilience. We need other people. We
can't we can't do this alone. Um I know I
certainly can't um, and the things that I've battled and
the things that I battled, I, I feel like I
need a boardroom of people just in my life, um,
you know, helping me do life. Um, so we need
other people to be resilient as well?
S2 (13:03):
Absolutely. And, you know, this mental health health workshop that's
happening this Saturday at New Covenant Church in Pompano Beach,
free of charge, because they realize this is a need
for all of us. And maybe you can just speak
to that, speak to a church saying we need to
provide resources for the community on this mental health issue.
(13:25):
Not all churches are seeing that need. So this is
I applaud, I want to say New Covenant Church for this,
but what does that do for you as a counselor
or therapist and a pastor, to see that a church
is saying this is vitally important?
S3 (13:41):
I love it, I love it so much. Um, obviously
it's something um, just the topic in general is really
near and dear to my heart, partly because I've lived through, um,
significant seasons of anxiety. I've lived through significant seasons of depression, um,
clinical anxiety, uh, you know, clinical depression. Um, and, you know,
(14:04):
in those seasons, uh, I leaned on a counselor. I
leaned on people in my life. You know, I was also,
I mean, the height of my anxiety, uh, in the
midst of seeing a counselor, uh, once a week and
and talking to to dear friends and trying to lean
on them. I was also reading, memorizing, meditating on Psalm
(14:26):
16 every night just to just to go to sleep
and trying to surrender, uh, the worry that I was carrying, uh,
to God. So it's all there, you know, that's the
thing is, is, um, you know, I feel like maybe some, uh,
groups or some people, even some Christians might have a
stigma about, um, the topic of counseling and mental health. Hey,
(14:50):
don't we just need to pray more? And, yes, of course, uh,
we need to pray more. Uh, but what does it
look like to truly bring to God these aspects of
our story, especially if we believe that he's the author,
the ultimate author of our story. What does it look
like for us to entrust to him utter brokenness and
that shattered shalom that I mentioned earlier? And I think
(15:13):
that's a very that's a deep and complex topic. Um,
on the one hand, yes. Bring your prayers to him.
On the other hand, uh, what does it look like
to truly surrender those things to him? And so that's
what we're going to be talking about. I love that
they're they're bringing this this conference and that it's free
of charge. Uh, and I hope it encourages some people.
S1 (15:34):
Yeah. They would like you for you to register to
the event. And so you can find out that information
at our website. Eric and bridget.org. You'll see that available there.
We appreciate Joe White joining us this morning and giving
us some some help. And he's going to be there
for some more help, starting again at 8:00 this Saturday
morning at New Covenant Church in Pompano. And again the
(15:55):
registration information is available at Eric and Bridget Dot.
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