September 4, 2023 • 52 mins
Welcome to an enchanting exploration of spirituality and mediumship, where personal tales of spectral encounters and lessons in boundary-setting take center stage. We, your hosts, engage in a captivating conversation with the insightful Isabelle, as we uncover the power of spirit and our profound connection to it. Together, we delve into the concept of clairsentience, discuss how personal loss can deepen our spiritual attachments, and share personal experiences of communicating with the divine.
Our conversation takes an intriguing turn as we recount childhood encounters with spirits and the ethical dilemmas faced during readings. We uncover what it truly feels like to be in the presence of a spirit, and how our unique abilities guide us in comprehending these ethereal communications. Highlighting the delicate balance of knowing when to intervene, we recall the emotional story of a message I was tasked to deliver to a grieving woman, emphasizing how mediumship can assist others through their journey of grief.
As we navigate the spiritual realm, the significance of safeguarding ourselves from unwanted energies becomes apparent. Drawing from personal anecdotes, we explore the power of setting boundaries with our spirit through meditation and intention. Unearth the mystical world of spiritual tools, as I share my experiences of using Salonite sticks to create a secure environment. Tune into our enlightening discourse as we shed light on spirit, mediumship, and the strategies required to explore this incredible, spiritual world.
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Oneika Mays (00:09):
I'm going to go with a hard kombucha.
Isabel Franke (00:13):
What time is it over there?
It's noon.
That will be my day.
I'll have a lunch date later.
I guess I'll join in on thatHard kombucha is my new favorite
thing.
Oneika Mays (00:25):
I love it.
It's good.
I like that.
I like that.
Isabel Franke (00:35):
It's all right.
I'm sort of fool myself, Ithink it does.
It hits you suddenly.
Fun, funny story.
We figure out what we'retalking about.
I was out and drinking andmixed it up.
I forgot what else a regularkabucha like, wasn't hard, right
(00:59):
Done.
My stomach was full because youknow, they're kind of filling,
and I had it there Like you know, bitch, you need to finish that
.
And I was like no, no, no, like, I'm good, I'm done.
And she's like no, you need to.
She thought it was alcohol.
It's just so funny becauseshe's like chug it, chug it.
And I'm like, okay, like,because I didn't want to tell
her like, it's not alcohol.
Oneika Mays (01:17):
It's just a regular kabucha.
Isabel Franke (01:18):
So I'm like chugging, I'm like I can't do it
anymore.
I put it down and she's likegive me that.
She like throws it back like ashot.
It just was funny, because I'mlike you're literally just
drinking regular kabucha, butI'll let you do that.
Oneika Mays (01:29):
Like gave me your intestines, yeah.
Isabel Franke (01:33):
So I was thinking today.
I thought, why not have fun?
I don't know if you feelcomfortable about this, but what
about if we talk about likeghost and like spirit or
something like that?
Okay, you feel good with that?
Yeah, okay, all right.
So I thought about like ghostand like future and timeline,
(01:56):
like just mix up theconversation and see where we,
where we flow with it.
Oneika Mays (02:01):
Okay, Um, actually and let me start off with a
question for you Um podcast, huhyes, welcome to motherland.
Um, so we're starting thepodcast off and I'm going to ask
(02:43):
Isabelle a question, becauseone of the things I really love
about our podcast is the factthat you are this amazing
spiritual teacher and, as I'msort of starting on new re,
remembering myself to be able tohave your expertise, I feel
really lucky to be able to askquestions.
Isabel Franke (03:00):
Oh, we're good.
Oneika Mays (03:04):
So, um, I have a question for you.
There are times and I itstarted.
I'll say it started like rightafter my dad died.
I would have a feeling that, um, he was dropping in, or an
ancestor was dropping in, and Iwould feel it inside my body and
(03:28):
I can't I'm going to try toarticulate this so I would have
a feeling out of nowhere of likethis deep sense of nostalgia,
not triggered by anything, right, like it's not, like I was
watching something.
There would just be this waveof emotion, not even thinking
about anything.
That would come out of nowhere.
(03:48):
And before I was just like oh,is this just grief washing over
me?
But it didn't quite feel likegrief.
It felt like something comingin from somewhere.
And then there was one night,and full transparency, I'd had
an edible and I felt like wait aminute, is this somebody coming
(04:08):
into me?
And is that why I'm feelingthis way?
And so then I would ask aquestion to get a yes or no
answer and I would feel like atingle in my body that would
feel like a yes.
And then, if I would ask aquestion and there was nothing,
it felt like a no.
Is that like a thing, or was Ijust making that up.
Isabel Franke (04:26):
No, that's definitely a thing I think you
gotta make.
There's a couple of state wordsthat you use during this that
I'm kind of.
I'm listening to you and it'slike one spirit doesn't really
step into people's body in theway that movies predict in that
way, except your higher selfwill.
So your self, is you right asyou call your whole self?
Yeah yeah yeah, that's a part ofyou, so that's something
(04:48):
different.
But spirit and when I sayspirit, guys, I'm referring to
past loved ones as well as likeancestors or anything you have
to remember like we've talkedabout I don't even know if we've
ever really had a podcast onthis, but we've talked about,
like the Claire's I think wehave, like there's Claire Sentin
, claire, audien, claire.
Okay, so when you have theClaire's, spirit will utilize
(05:10):
these in different ways totransmute that energy, to help
you connect and feel so like.
That's why you're like okay, Ihave this feeling just coming
about me.
Yeah.
Oneika Mays (05:21):
So not dropping in yes, so let me change that.
I don't mean dropping in, butit was sort of a sudden energy,
like out of nowhere.
But I, and then there wassomething in me that was like,
oh, this is something happening.
And then I would do this thing,like to verify, like am I
feeling this?
And it's almost like I wouldcheck and I would ask a question
(05:43):
and I would call it my dad butI don't necessarily think it was
my father, I think it was justspirit and then I was asking, I
would ask questions, and then Iwould feel like a tingle, like
yes, this is an answer, and thenif the answer was no, there
would be nothing.
So that is a thing.
Yeah, it is a thing.
Isabel Franke (06:00):
Okay, but why do you not think it was your dad?
Out of curiosity.
Oneika Mays (06:05):
I don't know if it was my dad or not there was one
there, because it happens, ithappens a lot.
To be honest with you, like ithappens, it happens more often
than than I even can can think.
To be honest with you, like Ithink there are times it was
actually my dad, because Iactually asked a couple of
(06:26):
clarifying questions.
But then there are times Ithink I started to get very in
touch with spirit after my daddied and I think that was just a
part of me wanting to stayconnected with him, right?
So I think I became more aware,sort of on purpose, because I
didn't want to lose connection.
And then I also think sometimesI would call something my dad,
(06:46):
because that was just myassociation.
But it might be someone else.
Isabel Franke (06:49):
So, yeah, so I just was wondering why?
Because I think it was a mix ofboth.
Yeah, I teach people when Iteach people mediumship, because
I do train people in mediumship.
By the way, not everyone's inmedium, I want to say it's not
everybody's in medium that canfeel or sense spirit.
Because I have, we all have theability to feel and sense
spirit.
Okay, so, like people arealways like, am I a medium
(07:12):
because I can sense and feelspirit?
I'm like, not necessarily, butwhen I do train people in
mediumship, helping them tounderstand how to navigate those
feelings that you're saying,that overwhelming sense of like,
emotion or energy, is one ofthe main, the main things.
Oneika Mays (07:28):
So yeah, because I don't think I'm a medium, but I
will.
Isabel Franke (07:32):
You know, it's me that we're having you, I'm like
yes, you are I heard some beardsay yes, you are, you're like,
come on now, like let's thinkback.
Yes, you are, but you don't.
You're not practicing, which isfine.
Oneika Mays (07:44):
Yeah, okay.
So yeah, yeah, I think I havesuch, I feel so uncomfortable
talking about these things.
I know you sound like I don'twant to talk about this.
I don't want to talk about this.
Isabel Franke (07:58):
I'm not that I'm surprised you said yes to the
topic.
I was like you're not gonnabecause I was going to push
everything back on you.
Oneika Mays (08:05):
I'm like, no, I don't do any of this stuff.
This is all.
Isabelle, I'm not any of thesethings.
I'm just here to talk to herand learn.
I don't do any of this.
And it's funny because the moreyou and I talk and have
conversations and I feel morecomfortable sort of sharing
these things, I become sort ofgiddy and excited because I feel
(08:29):
like I have somebody now tosort of talk about some of the
experiences that I've beenhaving this feels like like.
I always feel like I'm having asleepover with you when we have
these conversations Because,like last week, both on because,
andrea, she sees and hearsspirit and talks to ghosts all
of the time and she pretendsthat she doesn't.
(08:50):
She's so crazy powerful, likeit's.
It's annoying that she's likeno, I'm not like whatever, and
it's just not true.
So, last week.
So we live, we live in Brooklyn, in this brownstone, that she
has seen a ghost because shegrew up here, that there's been
a spirit here that she's talkedto since she was little.
And last week it was veryinteresting because we both felt
(09:14):
a very strong presence that weboth thought was like maybe a
dog or an animal, because it wasreally down low and we would
both sort of see it all of thetime.
And last Saturday I kept sayingto her do you see that, or
isn't she's like, oh no, it'stotally here.
So we felt like this presenceof like a dog or something who
(09:35):
was just sort of hanging aroundand it makes sense because
sometimes I see jet sort of lookat this that's presence that
seems really low, which is why Iassociate it with like an
animal or a dog.
Isabel Franke (09:49):
I'm like trying not to like dive in.
Well, first off, when you firststarted mentioning your home, I
was like, oh, your home's thetonic, your building's hot yeah.
It's not just your house, likeyour space, it's the building in
general.
So there's some spirits thatlive in your building.
Um, primarily in your placealone, I will.
I pick up a male energy.
So you have a male energy thattends to like kind of.
Oneika Mays (10:13):
That's who she's yes, who she used to actually
play with, and talk to.
Isabel Franke (10:16):
Yeah, so you have a male energy there, um, and
that's primarily in your space.
Now you have to remember that.
Yeah, you're right, likeanimals see spirit, like that's
they do.
I mean, you'll see, I've had,I've videotaped my dog like
watching and following.
Yes, I'm like there's nothingthere, like there's nothing
there.
Um, well, I know there is cause.
I see spirit, but they seespirit, they see the other side.
Oneika Mays (10:42):
And she's always like, looking like, and I can
see that she's seeing something.
And I had the same experience.
And when I lived by myself inJersey city, we lived in this, I
lived in this condo and thenwhen I moved to another
apartment, my old, my other dog,dakota would always hide under
the bed when I wasn't there andI could sense that there was
(11:04):
something there, but I was stillreally uncomfortable even
acknowledging anything.
But then when we moved to thisother apartment, as soon as we
walked in she started runningaround in circles and she was so
thrilled because it was therewas nothing there.
And then that sort of confirmedfor me I was like, oh, there
was something there that wasreally bothering.
Yeah.
Isabel Franke (11:23):
I.
I gravated her like it almostfeels like well, this is kind of
tricky when I say this, causepeople are going to get like
what?
Like they can do that, but youknow, for the most part, spirit
on the other side.
I say other side but I got tolike rewind some of these
wordings.
I don't like to say other sidebecause it's not really another
side, but I'm going to use thatto help us break down what we're
talking about a little bit.
(11:44):
So when spirit can be at timesoverpowering or like really high
energy, it can freak ouranimals out, like it can make it
a little bit scary, and thereis some that like to aggravate
animals, like, just like humanslike to mess with people.
So spirit does too.
It's like they don't lackpersonality because they're, you
(12:07):
know, past and I feel like,even as your soul evolves, that
personality of yours is stillvery much there, Like so we've
all on the other side, your,your personality is still there.
What's interesting for me islike, as I see spirit and I were
, I'm over here, like channeling, I'm trying to say, really, I'm
holding a crystal, guys.
I'm trying to say grounded aswe, as you, evolve spiritually.
(12:32):
What's really interesting isthat when I channel, I can see
where you've evolved, like yourlevels, and then, what's
interesting is, spirit willflash me into their physical
like oh, this is what you werelike when you were in your
physical body.
This is the way your body oryour mind thought.
And it's just interesting, somepeople still reside and I say
this word lower frequency not tomean that it's quote, but I'd
(12:56):
add a lower frequency.
And when you're at a lowerfrequency you tend to inhibit a
lot more of your physical traitsand physical attitude.
But again, please note thatlower frequency does not mean
bad or evil or even low initself.
Oneika Mays (13:11):
It's just the way that.
Isabel Franke (13:12):
I see the levels Yep.
Oneika Mays (13:13):
Yep, okay, that's cool.
Isabel Franke (13:17):
But you, you say you're not a medium, but I
remember early on you talkingabout when your dad passed.
Oneika Mays (13:22):
Oh, when he was talking to me, he told me he was
okay.
Isabel Franke (13:25):
Yeah, yeah I yeah , but but you don't, you
discount it.
Oneika Mays (13:33):
Yeah, I mean, I know it was him, though Like I
know it was him, like withoutexample.
I even remember when we went tothe funeral home in Savannah
and I was telling the woman thatwhat happened, like I just I
just felt compelled to tell thiswoman and she said I remember
her saying to me oh honey, thatwas him, that was absolutely him
(13:55):
, but I just thought it wasbecause I was close to him so he
was talking to me.
But it's not like I can I getwhat you're saying.
I can't channel people.
I feel like it was kind of himbecause he was really just close
to me.
But okay, so maybe this isn'tso.
(14:15):
I remember also there was thiswoman, beverly, who I knew from
Rikers, who I think transitionedbecause I think she visited me
on the subway to let me knowthat she was gone and she always
used to talk about smokingcigarettes.
And I remember being on thesubway and out of nowhere I'm
like I was with my coworker tohim, like do you smell that?
(14:37):
Like who's smoking on thesubway?
She's like there's no cigarettesmoke on the subway.
I'm like no, there's cigarettes, someone's smoking.
And then I kind of felt Beverlytalking to me and I was like
it's Beverly and she's.
She kept just looking at melike, okay, I'm going to go,
this bitch, this bitch.
Isabel Franke (14:54):
This bitch.
Oneika Mays (15:02):
But I'm really sure it was her.
Isabel Franke (15:04):
Like I know it was.
That's how it is.
Like that's how it is.
I don't think that there's.
Here's the thing.
And it's really hard because,like as I, you know, as I do
this for a living, by the waylike I do mediumship readings
for a living as part of myreadings, but I don't advertise
it, so you don't see me listedas a medium, because I don't
want to get categorized in justone area.
(15:24):
Um, but the sense of knowing isso key into what you're doing.
Right, it's like when I readpeople, I don't, I don't know
who's going to pop up, I don'tresearch them ahead of time, I
don't know any of thisinformation.
There's no way in the world Iwould know the things I know and
say but that's the sense ofknowing that comes through,
(15:47):
where you're just like okay,well, your grandfather on your
father's mother's side passedand he died of liver cancer.
Like I just read it.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, it's very newsaying blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, it's just that, thatsense of knowing.
So when you're like I, I don'tknow, but I knew that, that
totally makes sense becausethat's how it is, that's, that's
exactly how it is.
Oneika Mays (16:06):
That's so interesting, cause you know now
I'm thinking about all thesedifferent experiences.
Yes, that's what I'm tellingyou.
Isabel Franke (16:13):
I'm like listening to her and I'm like,
cause, when you first startedtalking about your dad I'm like
that wasn't the first experiencefor her I was like this girl
has had it for so long and shejust never really knew it.
You've, you've, actually, I'mgoing to read it for a second.
So you actually have engagedwith spirit, like I, and I feel
like I've told you before, sincea very young age, your um hold
(16:35):
on grandmother, on your mother'sside, it feels like, was very
powerful.
Yes, yeah, okay, you agree, Ithink that's a lot of what it's
like kind of comes through theline.
So, just FYI.
So you've had this for a verylong time.
Some of the things, though, foryou, and I think there's a
beauty in it.
You don't look at it as quotesupernatural, you just look at
(16:57):
it as this is.
Just, it is what it is.
Oneika Mays (17:01):
Yeah, yes, totally, because it's and I think this
is probably the cool thing aboutbeing like in a city and all,
like the subway and trains.
There are times when I wascommuting, all actually all of
the time when I'm commuting andI just look at people and I know
things about them and I just,but I always thought like I was
just like making up a storyabout them, but I knew in my
(17:23):
bones something about them andit's.
I know we're recording apodcast and people are going to
hear this, but I feel socomfortable just talking to you,
so I feel like I'm not reallytalking to anybody else.
Um, but I remember a few yearsago I was on um, the it's called
the pattern, but it was thesubway in Jersey city and there
(17:44):
was a guy who got on the trainand there was something about
him that was not safe and Icould feel it in my entire body.
I cannot explain it, but therewas something that was really
dangerous and I put my head downbecause he looked at me and I
looked at him and there was thismoment like we both knew what
(18:08):
each other knew about each other.
Do you know what I'm saying.
I do now yeah, I do now.
And it was terrifying and I putmy and it was kind of like I'm
not gonna say anything if you'renot gonna say anything.
And then I was like am I crazy?
Am I like making this up in myhead but I can't explain it?
But I like know in my soul thatI know what I felt was real and
(18:32):
true.
Isabel Franke (18:33):
I think that's the thing, though, that we
talked okay, so we talked alittle bit earlier before.
I don't even know if we wererecording this when we said it,
but we made a statement.
Whether it was pre-recorded, Idon't remember.
But being comfortable with the,I don't know.
Being comfortable with the, Idon't know, and I think that's
the thing, and I can hear spiritsaying as humans, we're
constantly seeking that, knowing, we're constantly seeking that.
(18:54):
Am I right?
Is this correct?
How do you explain this?
But when it comes to like spirit, I don't feel there's things
that are explainable and that'sokay.
We try best to give the wordsto it, as best as we can, but
there's some things that justcan't be explained other than I
know this happened and I'm notmaking it up Like.
(19:15):
I can feel it in my gut, like Iunderstand this completely.
There's so much in my life thathappens on a daily that people
would be like she's freakingnuts, lock her up Like.
But it is what it is.
I mean, I make a living from it, so I'm not by myself in it.
Oneika Mays (19:34):
I'm learning to trust it more.
I think these were things beforeI didn't necessarily want to
believe and because I have hadstruggles with mental illness
before.
So there were times when I waslike, oh man, am I slipping?
Like there was a dance that Idid and even in that period,
from like in my late 20s toearly 30s, I really sort of had
(19:58):
a battle with depression andsuicidal ideation and all that
kind of stuff, and there wasalso a sense that I there were
things that I knew that I waspositive, that was coming from
this deep place of knowing, andthen other things that were just
trauma that I sort of needed toprocess.
And then, as I think, as I gotmore comfortable when I started
(20:19):
to study yoga and meditation andget on my spiritual path, I
allowed myself to start trustingmyself a little bit more, which
I think is an important part ofthe process.
But I didn't always feelcomfortable sharing these things
with everybody and I stilldon't Like it's not, like these
aren't necessarily things thatI'd have conversations with
(20:39):
everybody about, although I amnow, since this is a clock out.
Thank you everybody.
Isabel Franke (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's okay.
I don't think theseconversations are for everyone
you know, it's like, if you wantto hear it, great, but it's not
always for everyone.
I mean, it's weird that now, tothink back to my childhood,
that I never really thought Iwas crazy.
I understand that my familyknew that I spoke to spirit, but
we never discussed it.
It was like, remember, after Iyou guys probably heard from
(21:09):
past episodes after I stated,like I see grandma in the
kitchen, yeah, okay, that was it.
It never was discussed or seen.
But now I like think back intoactually having the
conversations I had with spiriton a daily basis, whether it was
her or whether it was otherpeople.
My grandfather's house issupremely haunted.
Like it was so haunted I don'tlike to use that word, but there
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was a lot of spirit there.
Even during this passing, therewas some crazy stuff that
happened, and one of the things,though, what was I gonna say?
Oh, is that growing up, Iconstantly heard spirit talking
to me, so much so that I alwaysreiterated my day.
I would speak out loud and likeI laugh because I tell people,
like this was before reality TV.
(21:53):
Yeah, like we didn't havereality TV, so there was no.
Like, oh, look at you know,there was no camera.
Like I didn't understand theconcept of this.
I mean, this was the 80s andgoing back now, like that's what
I did, I used to be like, oh,I'm brushing my teeth and I'm
washing my hair, and I wouldhave full conversations to tell
them what I'm doing with my day,right, I think it was kind of
(22:14):
weird.
Looking back at it now, LikeI'm kind of like that's kind of
interesting, but it is what itis.
Oneika Mays (22:21):
It doesn't seem strange to me when you're
talking about it, it justdoesn't.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Isabel Franke (22:30):
I don't know.
Okay, all right.
So what are your questions?
Do you have questions on GhostSpirit?
Oneika Mays (22:37):
I do have questions on Ghost.
So what does it feel like whenyou encounter a ghost?
Isabel Franke (22:46):
That's you know what?
That's funny.
I would think it would be aneasy question to answer.
But this is my day, so like Imean, see, even now, as a medium
, I'm like dude, just just, I'mholding back and I'm like, just
say it, I literally see spiritall day long.
I literally can go to the storeand see somebody's, somebody's
(23:08):
spirit, like somebody followingthem, like I see them out and
about like all the time.
Oneika Mays (23:13):
Oh, okay, Okay, More questions, follow up
questions.
So so when you're like, okay,you're at the supermarket and
you see somebody and you seespirit following when you see it
, is it something to?
What does see mean?
Is it feeling in your body?
Is it visual, Is it to?
Isabel Franke (23:31):
hear it.
So, in the way everybody'sdifferent Okay, there's,
everybody interprets the feelingof I'm going to say this thank
you, spirit, cause I can hearthem.
They're saying everybodyinterprets the feeling of energy
differently, even mediums.
Not all mediums are exactly thesame.
It's like how, when I teach itto people, or helping them to
understand their abilities, it'slearning to understand your
ability specifically to you, howto communicate with you, right,
(23:55):
whether we're talking aboutpast loved ones or we're talking
about your spirit guys, how dothey show up and feel to you.
So for me, being all the clairsmeaning I'm claraudian.
Claraudian, I can see spirit, Ican hear spirit, I can feel
spirit.
Spirit will utilize all threeat once, or one more than the
other.
For me, I visually like, let'ssay, I'm in the supermarket,
right, target, for some reason,is a big one.
(24:16):
Maybe I don't go to supermarket, I go target.
There's literally like I canjust see them, like holograms at
times, following them like theoutline, not always, but that's
it.
Or I'll feel the energy.
And because I do this so often,I can feel the energy, whether
it's a grandmother's energy, amale energy, I can feel it in
(24:39):
such a way and then I can hearit.
Right, I can hear it and it'sthe more attention I give it the
stronger.
But I'm not, by the way, guys,fyi, all those TV shows you guys
watch, like Long Island, mediumor Tyler, you know what is it?
Tyler Henry, by the way, Ithink he's absolutely amazing.
It is not the way theypredicted on the show in the
(25:03):
sense.
Well, tyler doesn't really doit.
But Long Island Medium, you seeher just going up to random
people and being like can I giveyou a reading?
Fyi, she has complete morals.
She goes up to them before,gets a signed contract paper and
ask their permission.
It's a whole thing, right,because people are always like I
want some random person to comeup to me and just tell me so
and so is with me.
No good moral medium or psychicwill ever do that.
(25:26):
We just do not do that.
So I say that, as when I hear orfeel spirit around somebody, I
don't do anything about itbecause I don't feel that it's
my thing to do.
I'll just kind of so.
It's because the more attentionyou give it, it's energy, it's
gonna feed, it's gonna grow it.
Not that they're feeding offyou, but you're gonna get more.
Okay, let me do this.
Let me give you a channeledmessage.
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There's only been like twotimes that I've randomly done
this, where I was like I can't,like I have to talk to you like
now.
But I've only done it twice,and one of them was for she
wasn't a friend of mine at thetime, she was an acquaintance.
Okay, funny story.
I'll just share the storyreally quick.
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It was early on, when I firstwas stepping in, to saying this
is what I do for a living, eventhough because, like I said,
I've seen spirits and I've beensix.
But her son had just passedaway, like a couple of months
back, and I didn't know the fullstory, I just knew she had an
older son that had passed away.
Well, her son kept showing upto me energetically, like I'd be
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out and about and I'd see herson by her or by the dad.
And it came to the point where Iwas literally every day I'd be
at the store, I see her husband.
I'd be at the grocery store,I'd see her.
It was every day to where I waslike this is getting freaking
ridiculous.
And so I told him look, I hadthis conversation with him.
I said if you really want me togive her a message.
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You're gonna have to set it upin a divine way, because I'm not
gonna boundaries Like this ishorrible.
Your son just died.
Like that'd be horrible rightFor some of you, yeah, I mean.
So one day I kind of just I said, hey, hey, so, and so you know
what I do for like a living.
And she's like, yeah, I'veheard about it.
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And I was like, okay, well, ifyou ever want, if you ever need
anything, you just let me know.
And I left it alone.
Well, sure enough, he's likethat's not good enough.
That's not good enough.
Like the kid was like, no, Ineed you to talk to my mom.
And I'm like, oh my God, like,okay, here we go.
And so I went up to her and Iwas like, look, I'm crossing
(27:37):
lines right now and I'm deeplysorry, I'm so sorry, but your
son will not leave me alone andhe just wants you to know,
please stop chasing his littlebrother out of the room.
And he really likes what you'vedone to his space.
As far as the picture you put upon the wall, and she just lost
it and she was like, oh my God,because they, I guess if I it
(27:59):
was I mean, this is 10 years agoor so like she, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, she drew of him onthe not of him, but a picture
that was drawn that he drew whenhe was a kid on the wall Right,
and he was addressing thepicture.
It was very fresh and she said,yeah, we can't get his little
brother out of the room, right.
So that's why he was likeplease stop, like just let him,
let him stay.
Wow, so there was that andthere was a couple more into the
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message and it's been a reallyan honor for her, like I say, an
honor for me not her, but honorfor me to be able to,
throughout the years, kind ofhelp her with that grief, like
part of.
I think that's why people arelike, oh, mediums are bad, but
I'm like, no, they're, they'rehelping people to process grief,
helping people to navigate andheal and, you know, get things
(28:46):
that they wouldn't get otherwise.
You know, yeah, I mean,honestly, it's kind of
interesting being a medium anddoing it Like I wish somebody
would read me like that, like Iwish I could find a medium that
would read read me in that way.
I don't have that, is that me?
Yeah?
Oneika Mays (29:05):
No, I believe that, and it's so funny too as you're
talking, there's like a glowaround you that got really
strong.
When you're talking, I'mtracing it with my finger right
now Like it's like a yeah.
Isabel Franke (29:18):
My aura change and probably yeah.
Oneika Mays (29:20):
Like it, just got.
It just got like bigger yeah.
Isabel Franke (29:25):
Yeah.
Oneika Mays (29:26):
And I don't normally see auras, but yeah.
Isabel Franke (29:29):
So that's a little bit like you're like
what's it look like or what's it.
It's everything, it's a feelingof.
It's a feeling of everythingand it varies from energy to
energy, it varies from spirit tospirit.
It's not always the same.
Are there ways that people cancultivate?
I think, if you're gonna wannacultivate, I definitely feel
like, if you feel like you're amedium, talk to a medium to see
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if you're really a medium andtalk to a good one.
Talk to a good one and if it'snot, others I can recommend.
But it's like, talk to a goodone, because a true medium will
tell you if you're really are ornot.
Someone else may just feed yourego for the money of the month,
yeah, but yeah, there'sdefinitely ways to cultivate.
I mean, I teach my students howto you know, read quickly, like
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spirit, spirit is excited,right.
Like when I give, they're like,oh my God, someone's listening
to me and they see me and let metalk really fast and then tell
you everything.
Oneika Mays (30:22):
I'm like, oh my.
Isabel Franke (30:22):
God and they're just like slow down, like let's
breathe, let's talk.
So there's a way I say that islike you have to learn how to
communicate with them.
And this is the same as yourspirit guides, guys.
It's no different from when Italk about this as community
spirit guides or communicatingwith your past loved ones.
Have a conversation, have agive and take like you would
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with somebody in their physicalbody.
Learn to communicate,understand the signs and symbols
.
Some people, like I said, theirspirit communicates with them
with signs, right.
So I have a student who sees alot of signs, right.
She's like, oh, they're showingme a lock, they're showing me
this.
So for her, we practiceunderstanding what that sign
means every time she sees it.
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I have another student seescolors.
So for her, we practice whatdoes those colors mean every
time you see it?
And the past loved ones that youchannel at times will use the
way that you sense and seespirit to help you get a message
clearly.
So, yes, practice makes perfect.
And just find someone that cantrain you, get coaching, and I
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hate it when people are like I'ma medium and then they're just
like there's no coaching andthere's no training.
You definitely, I think whetherit's your natural ability
because it is I definitely feellike you need to have training
and time with it before youthrow it out.
And I think one of the biggestthings for anybody whether they
think they're medium or theydon't think they're medium the
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biggest way to interpret spiritis through your own emotions and
feelings.
So you need to do your own work, otherwise you have to learn
how to embrace sadness, how toembrace grief, how to feel joy,
like you have to learn youremotions, because you put spirit
into that and they're gonnatriple it times 10.
And if you have your walls up,you can misinterpret a message
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or not fully understand itbecause of your own fears or
walls that you've built aroundyourself.
So the starting place foreverybody is truly embracing
your own emotions and feelingsand really be comfortable with
that.
Oneika Mays (32:22):
That's so important .
That's so important too forlife, right?
I mean just in general, on yourjourney.
How many conversations have wehad about this, that you have to
know who you are inside ifyou're gonna be on any sort of
path and we can't rely onexternal sort of resources to
sort of guide the way?
Isabel Franke (32:41):
Right, yeah, yeah , and I think that's the biggest
thing.
I think that you know, doingthis for so long, there was a
point where my walls were up,like walls were so up and they
just were up, and it wasdifferent.
Since I'm more comfortable withmy emotions, I'm comfortable
with who I am and myself, likeeverything is easier, like I
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think that's the best way,everything flows differently.
Oneika Mays (33:06):
Yeah yeah.
Do you ever have people visit?
Isabel Franke (33:09):
you in dreams?
Absolutely Not so much anymore.
But before I stepped into this,yeah, that's all I did growing
up, especially in my 30s.
It was constant.
It was family member afterfamily member, random after
random.
I had people on my bed.
I had people waking me up.
I had dreams, but not so muchanymore, I think, because I
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embraced it to such a degreethat it's literally like all day
long.
Okay, sometimes, I meansometimes, you know, I still
have my own, my own personal,like my grandfather will come
through my dreams at times, notas much as I would love him to,
but yeah, yeah, the big one forpeople.
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Don't dismiss, here's the thing,because I get that a question a
lot.
Do my loved ones visit you,visit me in my dreams?
Absolutely, your loved onesvisit you in your dreams.
Here's the thing that we tendto do, and I'll give you a
little tidbit.
We tend to go oh my God, you'rein my dream, like I'm freaking
out, like, ah, like it's a startright.
When you do that, usually whathappens?
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It's done, it's done, it's done.
So train yourself and you cantrain yourself to not panic,
train yourself to not go.
You're not supposed to be here,oh my gosh, and just enjoy the
moment, because you can do it.
You can do it and you'll get alittle bit more time with them,
energetic, wise.
Don't worry about why can theynot speak, because a lot of
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times our loved ones don't Never, when people know it's never.
Oneika Mays (34:38):
and lots of times I can't even, because Eric
actually visits me and wheneverI see him I don't actually see
his face at all.
But I know it's him, but Ican't see his face.
And that's how I know thedifference between if I'm
dreaming about him or if it's avisit.
If I can see his face, I knowit's a dream.
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When I can't see his face, Ikind of know it's a visit.
Isabel Franke (35:03):
I don't know.
I think it goes back and forthfor me.
Sometimes I say that For methat's the.
Oneika Mays (35:07):
That's the.
Yeah, that's my distinction,yeah.
Isabel Franke (35:11):
There's times of why, if you guys want to try it,
give them a chalkboard.
Can I have a chalkboard in yourdream?
I dare you.
Give them chalkboard here.
Write what you want to say, seewhat they write, see what you
feel they write, because it'sgoing to go through your
feelings right, like see whatthey say with the chalkboard.
That's your way of like doingit.
We talked earlier in a coupleepisodes back about lucid
dreaming.
Yes, we talked about stuff, andwhen I first was learning about
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lucid dreaming, way back in theday, one of the things in lucid
dreaming they would say ispractice pushing over the box or
different stuff in your dreams,like practice moving an object
in your dream, practice doingthis in your dream.
And I say that in the samesense that when a loved one
comes in, why can't you be likeoh, here, write on a chalkboard
here, write it down right andsee what, just see what happens.
(35:57):
Just see what happens.
But you can still communicatewith them through emotions and
feelings.
You know and you have toremember that they're not in
their, they're not in thatphysical body.
They're simply showing you whatyou connect with in remembrance
of them and their energy, justenergetically, energetically
more than you know what we thinkwe would right Verbally this
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way.
So you see me ask you.
Oneika Mays (36:20):
Yeah, what about when you feel a presence that
doesn't feel safe or friendly?
Friendly is the word that Iwant to use.
Isabel Franke (36:30):
I've had those.
I've had those when I've had todo clearings on people's homes.
It actually had spirit throwstuff at me.
And, by the way, guys, that'sreally rare.
Yeah, it's not usual, right.
I can't say after doing thisfor so long, literally on one
hand, how rare that is.
(36:51):
I can't even fill up all fivefingers.
Rare, right.
And the thing is is when youfeel a presence like that for me
, like for me and my work,whether it's I'm channeling you
know past loved one, or givingsomebody a reading or doing a
healing, I always call in myspirit team, always.
That's how I start my day,that's how I start every session
.
I surround myself with myangels, I surround myself with
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my guides at night, and it's thesame circumstance.
When you feel a presence likethat, I don't even deal with
that.
Like, honestly, I don't even Ican.
No, if I can literally hear myhigher self being like we don't
deal with that shit, like I justcall on, like I call on my
angels and I'll be like takethem where they need, and I will
literally say remove the spiritand take it where it needs to
(37:36):
go.
It's not your job to cross overspirit.
No medium.
If you ever hear medium.
I'm crossing over spiritBullshit.
You're not, you can't, youdon't.
That's not the way it works.
So, like you know, it's notyour job to cross over, it's not
our job to do anything otherthan I just simply ask Divine
Light, ask my guides, just toremove them from the space.
And I hold it because Ienergetically can feel and see.
(37:58):
I'll just hold that energy fora little bit until I feel that
disconnect being made.
Oneika Mays (38:03):
When we first, when I first moved here, I was
asleep and Andrea was in theliving room and I heard this
like giggling and it was.
It was like like an impish isthe best way I could sort of
describe it like a giggle, and Ifelt it like kept waking me up.
And I remember calling to her.
(38:24):
I'm like, do you hear that?
Like something is bothering me.
So she came in and she sort of,you know, burn some, paul Santo
.
And then then I went back tosleep.
Then I had this really bizarredream where I could feel this
presence like trying to get meout of this, trying to get a
whole bunch of people, and Iknew it was a dream and I could
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tell that somebody or somethingwas making me have this dream
and I could hear the giggling,like they were, they were, they
were like messing with me, right, like mess, and I was so
aggravated and also a littlefreaked out at the same time.
But then sort of instinctuallyin that moment, I called on all
of my ancestors.
(39:09):
There was this moment that theyrose out of the pavement, like
they just sort of rose up andlike took care of it, and then I
could hear like this, like anant, like mad that that happened
and then it sort of disappeared.
And I don't have to sleep.
Isabel Franke (39:25):
Yeah, and that's exactly.
I think that's, that's the bestway, like what you did is
exactly the best way.
And there comes a point.
I think even me, like in this,what I do for a living, like I
just don't mess with it, likepeople are like, oh what if you
do that?
I'm like that's not even anoption in my, in my I hate to
use the word level, becausethat's what I'm hearing my guys
say in my level and what I do,like I don't get that shit.
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Like you know, I'm even talkingto Mal about this, because me
and Mal started way back whenand we kind of had a lot of
things that we were a part of,that we don't like to discuss
right, extracisms and differentthings.
And I say that now that we both, I think, have created such
boundaries around ourselves andwhat we do, that those type of
entities or those types of beansor those types of spirit, like
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that's just, that doesn't happen, like that literally does not
happen for me any longer.
Oneika Mays (40:13):
What are ways that we can put boundaries for
ourselves, as we're sort of, youknow, exploring this.
What are some things that wecan do?
Isabel Franke (40:20):
Well, you know, that's where I go back into.
Like, if you're a medium,there's different things.
You have gatekeepers, you haveyour protectors, you have all
these things that you want toset your space with within
yourself, and that's a wholedifferent conversation, I think
in the depths of if you want topursue this.
But I think the best thing foryou to set boundaries your
spirit is just to have aconversation with them, like go
into meditation, call yourspirit guides in and then set
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the boundaries, like literallytake yourself to a place where
you're like this is what isallowed and not not allowed.
Tell them like.
Tell them like why?
Why do people feel like theycan't tell what's acceptable to
spirit?
Because what is free, likethat's what I think they're like
, oh no, but I can feel like andsee, so everything's open.
No, absolutely up and not like.
(41:05):
No way.
Tell them, absolutely not.
Tell them what they can do,like mine, for example.
You asked you I get dreams to?
Probably not, because Iliterally tell my guys do not
channel messages while I sleep,do not take me, do not take me
to.
You know, out of my body, whichI just had an aha moment.
Right now, when I'm saying this, I just had an aha moment
(41:26):
because I haven't been able tosleep in weeks.
Literally, I have not been ableto sleep.
I've had the hardest time, andthey're like we're not taking
you out of your body to give youthe messages, but you're not
channeling them.
So that's why you're stayingaway, because we're like I just
heard it right now and I said itand I was like All right,
message received, got it, soanyways.
(41:46):
But I think the best thing isjust go to meditation, set your
boundaries with them, tell themwhat you're comfortable with and
what you're not comfortablewith.
That's, that's the biggestthing.
The other part is is is like yousaid something about energy
coming in or the way you said it, and I was like I said a
boundary, even with mine, whereit's like you I remember my
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mentor teaching me this and Istill used it is surrounding
yourself with like imaginingthat divine light.
Right, so clear your energy.
Imagining the white divinelight around you or whatever,
whatever color light.
You have my breeze white andand literally be setting that
intention that whoever tries tocross into my energy is like
zapped or hit that, bounce thatstuff back.
Yeah, like it works.
(42:29):
I can still feel it whensomebody's like oh, and it's
like no, like you're going tocome back out.
So everything, the power ofintention cannot be stated
enough.
The power of intention cannotbe studied enough, and I think
we always downplay it intomanifestation.
I'm quoting it, but like it'sso much more than that.
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The power of intention is soreal.
Oneika Mays (42:54):
I used to do that a lot, not a lot.
Every time that I went toRikers I would protect myself
when I was leaving and I wouldbe covered from the time that I
left my apartment until I gotthere, until I got home, like
creating this barrier around methat you know.
I even like imagine myselfhaving like wings and a tail,
(43:15):
like you know, just sort ofclearing things out of, out of
my path and out of the mostbeautiful.
Isabel Franke (43:23):
I'm like I'm laughing because I'm looking at
you.
I'm like, oh, so you have adragon.
And I'm like, okay, we're goingto sound crazy right now, but
we'll leave that one alone.
Oneika Mays (43:30):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was, it was like it was like
a dragon, yeah.
And then sometimes I wouldactually call on like ancestors
to protect me.
So I had people like at my backI pictured, and they weren't
massage, but I pictured them aslike these massage warriors who
are like behind me, who like hadmy back and protecting me,
(43:52):
especially when I was actuallyin the jail, like I wanted my
back completely protected, butin the back I always wanted very
protected and people to feel it.
In my office there wouldsometimes be both officers and
folks who are incarcerated whowould come to my office and you
could physically see them not beable to walk into my office
(44:14):
Like you're going to ask youthat.
You could see the struggle likethey want to come in and it
would crack me up.
I'm like, oh, this place isreally, this is good, we're good
.
Isabel Franke (44:24):
Have you ever seen?
Have you ever watched vampiremovies or like shows?
Yeah, Okay.
So they always state that avampire has to be invited into
your home in order to come in.
And I think that's the same forlooking at energetic wise, Like
if you really are in control ofyour energy and your space.
It's like, yeah, that quotevampire that's going to suck
your energy out Cannot come inunless you invite them in.
Oneika Mays (44:47):
Yeah, that was always fun to watch.
And there were some folks atRikers too who were in tune with
it, who would also sort ofnotice, like people who could
sort of breeze in my office andthey're like, oh, finally I'm
safe, yeah, and then theycouldn't even notice.
There are a couple, there are acouple of officers who you
(45:09):
could see like would try to comein and just you could always
watch them get pushed up Againstthe barrier and like bounce
back.
Isabel Franke (45:17):
Yeah, we have.
When I used to have my office,because I had an office for
years where, like, there wasdifferent like wellness things
in there.
You know, on the slosh, thatdoesn't matter, but I always set
that same attention Like I putmy what I call them, my guards.
My guards sit at the front doorand this is what happens either
.
You know, they remove allnegative energy.
I, even now, when I stage myhouse, all spirit has to stay
(45:38):
like five miles to themselves,like whatever it looks like, so
that nothing in my bubble cancome into, which people used to
always walk in my, my energy inmy office, and they're just like
.
They're like there's somethingabout the minute I step into
this place and I'm like, yeah,because it's set far out before
you step in, and they're like itreally hits me and I'm like,
(45:58):
yeah and yeah, even now I thinkabout it like the kids, because
I have teens, their friends lovecoming over and I think there's
a reason.
They're like always, like oh,we love, we let.
They always want to be here,and I'm like, yeah, because my
intention is set at that door.
It's like you're going to getshowered and cleansed before you
walk in.
Oneika Mays (46:16):
Yeah, and you can feel that in the places that
I've lived to and I think Ididn't make that connection
until you know recently, when Ireally started to explore that
my home always felt really good,like it's not so much how it
looked, but it would feel reallycozy.
Isabel Franke (46:32):
Yeah, and yeah, it is my mom.
My mom doesn't.
She knows what I do Like.
My mom obviously knows what Ido for a living and she doesn't
understand it all.
She's, she's I mean that's awhole story to sell, saying in a
very long time to get whereshe's at with me, but she's,
she's supportive in it.
What's interesting is she canalways feel when I clean my room
(46:53):
house.
If I say to my house, eventhough you can't smell it,
she'll be like oh, you justsaved it, like she and her just
feel it yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oneika Mays (47:03):
I love.
I actually now clean my houseregularly and I never did that
before, but now it's sort ofpart of my routine, like when I
clean I also sage and then, likeonce a month, I do a big like a
big clearing, like hands onwalls clearing, like pulling
energy down and pushing it outof the window on both sides.
(47:26):
I need to.
Isabel Franke (47:27):
I haven't done it lately but honestly, like since
somebody's moved out of thatheight, it just doesn't feel
like I have to do it, as oftenthe energy is so it's just not
thick, like the whole vibe isjust, it's just not, it's not
thick, I don't know.
(47:47):
So I need to do it more,because I do work out of my home
in space, but I also clearafter every every client, so I
guess no idea all day, cause I'mlike okay, guys, you know clear
, clear, clear.
Oneika Mays (48:00):
And then Do we need to like clear our phones?
Isabel Franke (48:04):
There's some people that say yes, I say no.
That's for me.
I think if you feel like youneed to, then all the guy all
means go ahead.
Here's what I what recently washitting me really hard Every
conversation you have is energy,whether it's a texting
conversation or it's, you know,a verbal conversation.
(48:24):
So if there's conversations thatyou've had, or even text
messages you receive that don'tsit well, quit holding on to
that shit Like we do, because wefester it like.
Quit holding it, delete it.
So I think that this doesn'tsit well with you energetic wise
in your phone.
Then just delete, like remove,don't even hold it, but
necessarily like a wholeclearing on it.
No, I have recently, like as oflast week, set crystals on my
(48:48):
phone, or because I was callingsomething in through my phone,
Like I know it sounds weird, butit was like whether I was like
okay, abundance for clients or alove or whatever it was, it was
like all right, I'm gonna putthis on there so that this, you
know, I can pull that energy.
So yes and no on that.
Okay.
Okay, I'm gonna do a whole likeon clearing the energy of my
(49:09):
phone, like no, but remove thoseconversations that are holding
the energy, absolutely Okay.
What about cars?
Cars are interesting.
Don't you find that everybodyhas a random conversation in
cars that can be really open orhave aha moments?
Oneika Mays (49:24):
Oh, absolutely.
Isabel Franke (49:25):
Yeah, they don't hold energy the same.
Oneika Mays (49:28):
Yeah, they don't, and it's funny I don't think
they do.
I used to drive a lot.
I kind of used to live in mycar, when you know, when I had a
whole nother life, like I usedto drive a thousand miles a week
, so there was always a lot ofenergy in my car.
But now are you know, I mean,we only move the car from side
to side, we're not even going alot of places in the car.
Isabel Franke (49:48):
Yeah, I think Mal cleanses her cars just because
remember, we had thisconversation one day she
cleanses her garage.
I know that, but I don't knowif she clears her car.
I don't clear my car.
I literally feel that your car,for some reason, it's this
weird.
I almost want to use sacredcontainer Aha, different energy
in the car.
(50:09):
But I have crystals in my car,yeah, so I put crystals in my
car that sit there.
You know, it's interesting.
I have crystals in my car.
I have crystals in my son's car, yeah, and it's funny because
my son just moved to Spain andhe took his crystals out of his
car because he was just like Iwant my crystals with me, which
I thought actually was reallyinteresting to what your kids
(50:31):
pick up on, because you don'tMm-hmm, now I gotta go put more
crystals in, because now mydaughter drives it, so I gotta
put more crystals.
Oneika Mays (50:40):
What did you put in ?
Isabel Franke (50:41):
Salonite.
I just put a Salonite stick.
You know where I go?
Literally there's a shop herein San Diego that sells like a
ton inch Salonite sticks to sella bunch of little ones and
they're like 50 cents each.
So I have them over my doorframes, I have them in the car
and then I have the really big,big ones, because there's gotta
(51:02):
get a new one now.
But I have really big ones thatlike the garage door outside to
the front door.
So you know they're at thethreshold when you come in, cool
.
Oneika Mays (51:12):
Yeah, that's it All right, this is fun, this was
fun, thank you.
Thank you All right guys.
I guess we'll talk to you guyslater.
Yeah, have a good one, bye.
I'm going to go with a hard kombucha.
Isabel Franke (00:13):
What time is it over there?
It's noon.
That will be my day.
I'll have a lunch date later.
I guess I'll join in on thatHard kombucha is my new favorite
thing.
Oneika Mays (00:25):
I love it.
It's good.
I like that.
I like that.
Isabel Franke (00:35):
It's all right.
I'm sort of fool myself, Ithink it does.
It hits you suddenly.
Fun, funny story.
We figure out what we'retalking about.
I was out and drinking andmixed it up.
I forgot what else a regularkabucha like, wasn't hard, right
(00:59):
Done.
My stomach was full because youknow, they're kind of filling,
and I had it there Like you know, bitch, you need to finish that
.
And I was like no, no, no, like, I'm good, I'm done.
And she's like no, you need to.
She thought it was alcohol.
It's just so funny becauseshe's like chug it, chug it.
And I'm like, okay, like,because I didn't want to tell
her like, it's not alcohol.
Oneika Mays (01:17):
It's just a regular kabucha.
Isabel Franke (01:18):
So I'm like chugging, I'm like I can't do it
anymore.
I put it down and she's likegive me that.
She like throws it back like ashot.
It just was funny, because I'mlike you're literally just
drinking regular kabucha, butI'll let you do that.
Oneika Mays (01:29):
Like gave me your intestines, yeah.
Isabel Franke (01:33):
So I was thinking today.
I thought, why not have fun?
I don't know if you feelcomfortable about this, but what
about if we talk about likeghost and like spirit or
something like that?
Okay, you feel good with that?
Yeah, okay, all right.
So I thought about like ghostand like future and timeline,
(01:56):
like just mix up theconversation and see where we,
where we flow with it.
Oneika Mays (02:01):
Okay, Um, actually and let me start off with a
question for you Um podcast, huhyes, welcome to motherland.
Um, so we're starting thepodcast off and I'm going to ask
(02:43):
Isabelle a question, becauseone of the things I really love
about our podcast is the factthat you are this amazing
spiritual teacher and, as I'msort of starting on new re,
remembering myself to be able tohave your expertise, I feel
really lucky to be able to askquestions.
Isabel Franke (03:00):
Oh, we're good.
Oneika Mays (03:04):
So, um, I have a question for you.
There are times and I itstarted.
I'll say it started like rightafter my dad died.
I would have a feeling that, um, he was dropping in, or an
ancestor was dropping in, and Iwould feel it inside my body and
(03:28):
I can't I'm going to try toarticulate this so I would have
a feeling out of nowhere of likethis deep sense of nostalgia,
not triggered by anything, right, like it's not, like I was
watching something.
There would just be this waveof emotion, not even thinking
about anything.
That would come out of nowhere.
(03:48):
And before I was just like oh,is this just grief washing over
me?
But it didn't quite feel likegrief.
It felt like something comingin from somewhere.
And then there was one night,and full transparency, I'd had
an edible and I felt like wait aminute, is this somebody coming
(04:08):
into me?
And is that why I'm feelingthis way?
And so then I would ask aquestion to get a yes or no
answer and I would feel like atingle in my body that would
feel like a yes.
And then, if I would ask aquestion and there was nothing,
it felt like a no.
Is that like a thing, or was Ijust making that up.
Isabel Franke (04:26):
No, that's definitely a thing I think you
gotta make.
There's a couple of state wordsthat you use during this that
I'm kind of.
I'm listening to you and it'slike one spirit doesn't really
step into people's body in theway that movies predict in that
way, except your higher selfwill.
So your self, is you right asyou call your whole self?
Yeah yeah yeah, that's a part ofyou, so that's something
(04:48):
different.
But spirit and when I sayspirit, guys, I'm referring to
past loved ones as well as likeancestors or anything you have
to remember like we've talkedabout I don't even know if we've
ever really had a podcast onthis, but we've talked about,
like the Claire's I think wehave, like there's Claire Sentin
, claire, audien, claire.
Okay, so when you have theClaire's, spirit will utilize
(05:10):
these in different ways totransmute that energy, to help
you connect and feel so like.
That's why you're like okay, Ihave this feeling just coming
about me.
Yeah.
Oneika Mays (05:21):
So not dropping in yes, so let me change that.
I don't mean dropping in, butit was sort of a sudden energy,
like out of nowhere.
But I, and then there wassomething in me that was like,
oh, this is something happening.
And then I would do this thing,like to verify, like am I
feeling this?
And it's almost like I wouldcheck and I would ask a question
(05:43):
and I would call it my dad butI don't necessarily think it was
my father, I think it was justspirit and then I was asking, I
would ask questions, and then Iwould feel like a tingle, like
yes, this is an answer, and thenif the answer was no, there
would be nothing.
So that is a thing.
Yeah, it is a thing.
Isabel Franke (06:00):
Okay, but why do you not think it was your dad?
Out of curiosity.
Oneika Mays (06:05):
I don't know if it was my dad or not there was one
there, because it happens, ithappens a lot.
To be honest with you, like ithappens, it happens more often
than than I even can can think.
To be honest with you, like Ithink there are times it was
actually my dad, because Iactually asked a couple of
(06:26):
clarifying questions.
But then there are times Ithink I started to get very in
touch with spirit after my daddied and I think that was just a
part of me wanting to stayconnected with him, right?
So I think I became more aware,sort of on purpose, because I
didn't want to lose connection.
And then I also think sometimesI would call something my dad,
(06:46):
because that was just myassociation.
But it might be someone else.
Isabel Franke (06:49):
So, yeah, so I just was wondering why?
Because I think it was a mix ofboth.
Yeah, I teach people when Iteach people mediumship, because
I do train people in mediumship.
By the way, not everyone's inmedium, I want to say it's not
everybody's in medium that canfeel or sense spirit.
Because I have, we all have theability to feel and sense
spirit.
Okay, so, like people arealways like, am I a medium
(07:12):
because I can sense and feelspirit?
I'm like, not necessarily, butwhen I do train people in
mediumship, helping them tounderstand how to navigate those
feelings that you're saying,that overwhelming sense of like,
emotion or energy, is one ofthe main, the main things.
Oneika Mays (07:28):
So yeah, because I don't think I'm a medium, but I
will.
Isabel Franke (07:32):
You know, it's me that we're having you, I'm like
yes, you are I heard some beardsay yes, you are, you're like,
come on now, like let's thinkback.
Yes, you are, but you don't.
You're not practicing, which isfine.
Oneika Mays (07:44):
Yeah, okay.
So yeah, yeah, I think I havesuch, I feel so uncomfortable
talking about these things.
I know you sound like I don'twant to talk about this.
I don't want to talk about this.
Isabel Franke (07:58):
I'm not that I'm surprised you said yes to the
topic.
I was like you're not gonnabecause I was going to push
everything back on you.
Oneika Mays (08:05):
I'm like, no, I don't do any of this stuff.
This is all.
Isabelle, I'm not any of thesethings.
I'm just here to talk to herand learn.
I don't do any of this.
And it's funny because the moreyou and I talk and have
conversations and I feel morecomfortable sort of sharing
these things, I become sort ofgiddy and excited because I feel
(08:29):
like I have somebody now tosort of talk about some of the
experiences that I've beenhaving this feels like like.
I always feel like I'm having asleepover with you when we have
these conversations Because,like last week, both on because,
andrea, she sees and hearsspirit and talks to ghosts all
of the time and she pretendsthat she doesn't.
(08:50):
She's so crazy powerful, likeit's.
It's annoying that she's likeno, I'm not like whatever, and
it's just not true.
So, last week.
So we live, we live in Brooklyn, in this brownstone, that she
has seen a ghost because shegrew up here, that there's been
a spirit here that she's talkedto since she was little.
And last week it was veryinteresting because we both felt
(09:14):
a very strong presence that weboth thought was like maybe a
dog or an animal, because it wasreally down low and we would
both sort of see it all of thetime.
And last Saturday I kept sayingto her do you see that, or
isn't she's like, oh no, it'stotally here.
So we felt like this presenceof like a dog or something who
(09:35):
was just sort of hanging aroundand it makes sense because
sometimes I see jet sort of lookat this that's presence that
seems really low, which is why Iassociate it with like an
animal or a dog.
Isabel Franke (09:49):
I'm like trying not to like dive in.
Well, first off, when you firststarted mentioning your home, I
was like, oh, your home's thetonic, your building's hot yeah.
It's not just your house, likeyour space, it's the building in
general.
So there's some spirits thatlive in your building.
Um, primarily in your placealone, I will.
I pick up a male energy.
So you have a male energy thattends to like kind of.
Oneika Mays (10:13):
That's who she's yes, who she used to actually
play with, and talk to.
Isabel Franke (10:16):
Yeah, so you have a male energy there, um, and
that's primarily in your space.
Now you have to remember that.
Yeah, you're right, likeanimals see spirit, like that's
they do.
I mean, you'll see, I've had,I've videotaped my dog like
watching and following.
Yes, I'm like there's nothingthere, like there's nothing
there.
Um, well, I know there is cause.
I see spirit, but they seespirit, they see the other side.
Oneika Mays (10:42):
And she's always like, looking like, and I can
see that she's seeing something.
And I had the same experience.
And when I lived by myself inJersey city, we lived in this, I
lived in this condo and thenwhen I moved to another
apartment, my old, my other dog,dakota would always hide under
the bed when I wasn't there andI could sense that there was
(11:04):
something there, but I was stillreally uncomfortable even
acknowledging anything.
But then when we moved to thisother apartment, as soon as we
walked in she started runningaround in circles and she was so
thrilled because it was therewas nothing there.
And then that sort of confirmedfor me I was like, oh, there
was something there that wasreally bothering.
Yeah.
Isabel Franke (11:23):
I.
I gravated her like it almostfeels like well, this is kind of
tricky when I say this, causepeople are going to get like
what?
Like they can do that, but youknow, for the most part, spirit
on the other side.
I say other side but I got tolike rewind some of these
wordings.
I don't like to say other sidebecause it's not really another
side, but I'm going to use thatto help us break down what we're
talking about a little bit.
(11:44):
So when spirit can be at timesoverpowering or like really high
energy, it can freak ouranimals out, like it can make it
a little bit scary, and thereis some that like to aggravate
animals, like, just like humanslike to mess with people.
So spirit does too.
It's like they don't lackpersonality because they're, you
(12:07):
know, past and I feel like,even as your soul evolves, that
personality of yours is stillvery much there, Like so we've
all on the other side, your,your personality is still there.
What's interesting for me islike, as I see spirit and I were
, I'm over here, like channeling, I'm trying to say, really, I'm
holding a crystal, guys.
I'm trying to say grounded aswe, as you, evolve spiritually.
(12:32):
What's really interesting isthat when I channel, I can see
where you've evolved, like yourlevels, and then, what's
interesting is, spirit willflash me into their physical
like oh, this is what you werelike when you were in your
physical body.
This is the way your body oryour mind thought.
And it's just interesting, somepeople still reside and I say
this word lower frequency not tomean that it's quote, but I'd
(12:56):
add a lower frequency.
And when you're at a lowerfrequency you tend to inhibit a
lot more of your physical traitsand physical attitude.
But again, please note thatlower frequency does not mean
bad or evil or even low initself.
Oneika Mays (13:11):
It's just the way that.
Isabel Franke (13:12):
I see the levels Yep.
Oneika Mays (13:13):
Yep, okay, that's cool.
Isabel Franke (13:17):
But you, you say you're not a medium, but I
remember early on you talkingabout when your dad passed.
Oneika Mays (13:22):
Oh, when he was talking to me, he told me he was
okay.
Isabel Franke (13:25):
Yeah, yeah I yeah , but but you don't, you
discount it.
Oneika Mays (13:33):
Yeah, I mean, I know it was him, though Like I
know it was him, like withoutexample.
I even remember when we went tothe funeral home in Savannah
and I was telling the woman thatwhat happened, like I just I
just felt compelled to tell thiswoman and she said I remember
her saying to me oh honey, thatwas him, that was absolutely him
(13:55):
, but I just thought it wasbecause I was close to him so he
was talking to me.
But it's not like I can I getwhat you're saying.
I can't channel people.
I feel like it was kind of himbecause he was really just close
to me.
But okay, so maybe this isn'tso.
(14:15):
I remember also there was thiswoman, beverly, who I knew from
Rikers, who I think transitionedbecause I think she visited me
on the subway to let me knowthat she was gone and she always
used to talk about smokingcigarettes.
And I remember being on thesubway and out of nowhere I'm
like I was with my coworker tohim, like do you smell that?
(14:37):
Like who's smoking on thesubway?
She's like there's no cigarettesmoke on the subway.
I'm like no, there's cigarettes, someone's smoking.
And then I kind of felt Beverlytalking to me and I was like
it's Beverly and she's.
She kept just looking at melike, okay, I'm going to go,
this bitch, this bitch.
Isabel Franke (14:54):
This bitch.
Oneika Mays (15:02):
But I'm really sure it was her.
Isabel Franke (15:04):
Like I know it was.
That's how it is.
Like that's how it is.
I don't think that there's.
Here's the thing.
And it's really hard because,like as I, you know, as I do
this for a living, by the waylike I do mediumship readings
for a living as part of myreadings, but I don't advertise
it, so you don't see me listedas a medium, because I don't
want to get categorized in justone area.
(15:24):
Um, but the sense of knowing isso key into what you're doing.
Right, it's like when I readpeople, I don't, I don't know
who's going to pop up, I don'tresearch them ahead of time, I
don't know any of thisinformation.
There's no way in the world Iwould know the things I know and
say but that's the sense ofknowing that comes through,
(15:47):
where you're just like okay,well, your grandfather on your
father's mother's side passedand he died of liver cancer.
Like I just read it.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, it's very newsaying blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, it's just that, thatsense of knowing.
So when you're like I, I don'tknow, but I knew that, that
totally makes sense becausethat's how it is, that's, that's
exactly how it is.
Oneika Mays (16:06):
That's so interesting, cause you know now
I'm thinking about all thesedifferent experiences.
Yes, that's what I'm tellingyou.
Isabel Franke (16:13):
I'm like listening to her and I'm like,
cause, when you first startedtalking about your dad I'm like
that wasn't the first experiencefor her I was like this girl
has had it for so long and shejust never really knew it.
You've, you've, actually, I'mgoing to read it for a second.
So you actually have engagedwith spirit, like I, and I feel
like I've told you before, sincea very young age, your um hold
(16:35):
on grandmother, on your mother'sside, it feels like, was very
powerful.
Yes, yeah, okay, you agree, Ithink that's a lot of what it's
like kind of comes through theline.
So, just FYI.
So you've had this for a verylong time.
Some of the things, though, foryou, and I think there's a
beauty in it.
You don't look at it as quotesupernatural, you just look at
(16:57):
it as this is.
Just, it is what it is.
Oneika Mays (17:01):
Yeah, yes, totally, because it's and I think this
is probably the cool thing aboutbeing like in a city and all,
like the subway and trains.
There are times when I wascommuting, all actually all of
the time when I'm commuting andI just look at people and I know
things about them and I just,but I always thought like I was
just like making up a storyabout them, but I knew in my
(17:23):
bones something about them andit's.
I know we're recording apodcast and people are going to
hear this, but I feel socomfortable just talking to you,
so I feel like I'm not reallytalking to anybody else.
Um, but I remember a few yearsago I was on um, the it's called
the pattern, but it was thesubway in Jersey city and there
(17:44):
was a guy who got on the trainand there was something about
him that was not safe and Icould feel it in my entire body.
I cannot explain it, but therewas something that was really
dangerous and I put my head downbecause he looked at me and I
looked at him and there was thismoment like we both knew what
(18:08):
each other knew about each other.
Do you know what I'm saying.
I do now yeah, I do now.
And it was terrifying and I putmy and it was kind of like I'm
not gonna say anything if you'renot gonna say anything.
And then I was like am I crazy?
Am I like making this up in myhead but I can't explain it?
But I like know in my soul thatI know what I felt was real and
(18:32):
true.
Isabel Franke (18:33):
I think that's the thing, though, that we
talked okay, so we talked alittle bit earlier before.
I don't even know if we wererecording this when we said it,
but we made a statement.
Whether it was pre-recorded, Idon't remember.
But being comfortable with the,I don't know.
Being comfortable with the, Idon't know, and I think that's
the thing, and I can hear spiritsaying as humans, we're
constantly seeking that, knowing, we're constantly seeking that.
(18:54):
Am I right?
Is this correct?
How do you explain this?
But when it comes to like spirit, I don't feel there's things
that are explainable and that'sokay.
We try best to give the wordsto it, as best as we can, but
there's some things that justcan't be explained other than I
know this happened and I'm notmaking it up Like.
(19:15):
I can feel it in my gut, like Iunderstand this completely.
There's so much in my life thathappens on a daily that people
would be like she's freakingnuts, lock her up Like.
But it is what it is.
I mean, I make a living from it, so I'm not by myself in it.
Oneika Mays (19:34):
I'm learning to trust it more.
I think these were things beforeI didn't necessarily want to
believe and because I have hadstruggles with mental illness
before.
So there were times when I waslike, oh man, am I slipping?
Like there was a dance that Idid and even in that period,
from like in my late 20s toearly 30s, I really sort of had
(19:58):
a battle with depression andsuicidal ideation and all that
kind of stuff, and there wasalso a sense that I there were
things that I knew that I waspositive, that was coming from
this deep place of knowing, andthen other things that were just
trauma that I sort of needed toprocess.
And then, as I think, as I gotmore comfortable when I started
(20:19):
to study yoga and meditation andget on my spiritual path, I
allowed myself to start trustingmyself a little bit more, which
I think is an important part ofthe process.
But I didn't always feelcomfortable sharing these things
with everybody and I stilldon't Like it's not, like these
aren't necessarily things thatI'd have conversations with
(20:39):
everybody about, although I amnow, since this is a clock out.
Thank you everybody.
Isabel Franke (20:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's okay.
I don't think theseconversations are for everyone
you know, it's like, if you wantto hear it, great, but it's not
always for everyone.
I mean, it's weird that now, tothink back to my childhood,
that I never really thought Iwas crazy.
I understand that my familyknew that I spoke to spirit, but
we never discussed it.
It was like, remember, after Iyou guys probably heard from
(21:09):
past episodes after I stated,like I see grandma in the
kitchen, yeah, okay, that was it.
It never was discussed or seen.
But now I like think back intoactually having the
conversations I had with spiriton a daily basis, whether it was
her or whether it was otherpeople.
My grandfather's house issupremely haunted.
Like it was so haunted I don'tlike to use that word, but there
(21:30):
was a lot of spirit there.
Even during this passing, therewas some crazy stuff that
happened, and one of the things,though, what was I gonna say?
Oh, is that growing up, Iconstantly heard spirit talking
to me, so much so that I alwaysreiterated my day.
I would speak out loud and likeI laugh because I tell people,
like this was before reality TV.
(21:53):
Yeah, like we didn't havereality TV, so there was no.
Like, oh, look at you know,there was no camera.
Like I didn't understand theconcept of this.
I mean, this was the 80s andgoing back now, like that's what
I did, I used to be like, oh,I'm brushing my teeth and I'm
washing my hair, and I wouldhave full conversations to tell
them what I'm doing with my day,right, I think it was kind of
(22:14):
weird.
Looking back at it now, LikeI'm kind of like that's kind of
interesting, but it is what itis.
Oneika Mays (22:21):
It doesn't seem strange to me when you're
talking about it, it justdoesn't.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Isabel Franke (22:30):
I don't know.
Okay, all right.
So what are your questions?
Do you have questions on GhostSpirit?
Oneika Mays (22:37):
I do have questions on Ghost.
So what does it feel like whenyou encounter a ghost?
Isabel Franke (22:46):
That's you know what?
That's funny.
I would think it would be aneasy question to answer.
But this is my day, so like Imean, see, even now, as a medium
, I'm like dude, just just, I'mholding back and I'm like, just
say it, I literally see spiritall day long.
I literally can go to the storeand see somebody's, somebody's
(23:08):
spirit, like somebody followingthem, like I see them out and
about like all the time.
Oneika Mays (23:13):
Oh, okay, Okay, More questions, follow up
questions.
So so when you're like, okay,you're at the supermarket and
you see somebody and you seespirit following when you see it
, is it something to?
What does see mean?
Is it feeling in your body?
Is it visual, Is it to?
Isabel Franke (23:31):
hear it.
So, in the way everybody'sdifferent Okay, there's,
everybody interprets the feelingof I'm going to say this thank
you, spirit, cause I can hearthem.
They're saying everybodyinterprets the feeling of energy
differently, even mediums.
Not all mediums are exactly thesame.
It's like how, when I teach itto people, or helping them to
understand their abilities, it'slearning to understand your
ability specifically to you, howto communicate with you, right,
(23:55):
whether we're talking aboutpast loved ones or we're talking
about your spirit guys, how dothey show up and feel to you.
So for me, being all the clairsmeaning I'm claraudian.
Claraudian, I can see spirit, Ican hear spirit, I can feel
spirit.
Spirit will utilize all threeat once, or one more than the
other.
For me, I visually like, let'ssay, I'm in the supermarket,
right, target, for some reason,is a big one.
(24:16):
Maybe I don't go to supermarket, I go target.
There's literally like I canjust see them, like holograms at
times, following them like theoutline, not always, but that's
it.
Or I'll feel the energy.
And because I do this so often,I can feel the energy, whether
it's a grandmother's energy, amale energy, I can feel it in
(24:39):
such a way and then I can hearit.
Right, I can hear it and it'sthe more attention I give it the
stronger.
But I'm not, by the way, guys,fyi, all those TV shows you guys
watch, like Long Island, mediumor Tyler, you know what is it?
Tyler Henry, by the way, Ithink he's absolutely amazing.
It is not the way theypredicted on the show in the
(25:03):
sense.
Well, tyler doesn't really doit.
But Long Island Medium, you seeher just going up to random
people and being like can I giveyou a reading?
Fyi, she has complete morals.
She goes up to them before,gets a signed contract paper and
ask their permission.
It's a whole thing, right,because people are always like I
want some random person to comeup to me and just tell me so
and so is with me.
No good moral medium or psychicwill ever do that.
(25:26):
We just do not do that.
So I say that, as when I hear orfeel spirit around somebody, I
don't do anything about itbecause I don't feel that it's
my thing to do.
I'll just kind of so.
It's because the more attentionyou give it, it's energy, it's
gonna feed, it's gonna grow it.
Not that they're feeding offyou, but you're gonna get more.
Okay, let me do this.
Let me give you a channeledmessage.
(25:49):
There's only been like twotimes that I've randomly done
this, where I was like I can't,like I have to talk to you like
now.
But I've only done it twice,and one of them was for she
wasn't a friend of mine at thetime, she was an acquaintance.
Okay, funny story.
I'll just share the storyreally quick.
(26:09):
It was early on, when I firstwas stepping in, to saying this
is what I do for a living, eventhough because, like I said,
I've seen spirits and I've beensix.
But her son had just passedaway, like a couple of months
back, and I didn't know the fullstory, I just knew she had an
older son that had passed away.
Well, her son kept showing upto me energetically, like I'd be
(26:32):
out and about and I'd see herson by her or by the dad.
And it came to the point where Iwas literally every day I'd be
at the store, I see her husband.
I'd be at the grocery store,I'd see her.
It was every day to where I waslike this is getting freaking
ridiculous.
And so I told him look, I hadthis conversation with him.
I said if you really want me togive her a message.
(26:54):
You're gonna have to set it upin a divine way, because I'm not
gonna boundaries Like this ishorrible.
Your son just died.
Like that'd be horrible rightFor some of you, yeah, I mean.
So one day I kind of just I said, hey, hey, so, and so you know
what I do for like a living.
And she's like, yeah, I'veheard about it.
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And I was like, okay, well, ifyou ever want, if you ever need
anything, you just let me know.
And I left it alone.
Well, sure enough, he's likethat's not good enough.
That's not good enough.
Like the kid was like, no, Ineed you to talk to my mom.
And I'm like, oh my God, like,okay, here we go.
And so I went up to her and Iwas like, look, I'm crossing
(27:37):
lines right now and I'm deeplysorry, I'm so sorry, but your
son will not leave me alone andhe just wants you to know,
please stop chasing his littlebrother out of the room.
And he really likes what you'vedone to his space.
As far as the picture you put upon the wall, and she just lost
it and she was like, oh my God,because they, I guess if I it
(27:59):
was I mean, this is 10 years agoor so like she, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, she drew of him onthe not of him, but a picture
that was drawn that he drew whenhe was a kid on the wall Right,
and he was addressing thepicture.
It was very fresh and she said,yeah, we can't get his little
brother out of the room, right.
So that's why he was likeplease stop, like just let him,
let him stay.
Wow, so there was that andthere was a couple more into the
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message and it's been a reallyan honor for her, like I say, an
honor for me not her, but honorfor me to be able to,
throughout the years, kind ofhelp her with that grief, like
part of.
I think that's why people arelike, oh, mediums are bad, but
I'm like, no, they're, they'rehelping people to process grief,
helping people to navigate andheal and, you know, get things
(28:46):
that they wouldn't get otherwise.
You know, yeah, I mean,honestly, it's kind of
interesting being a medium anddoing it Like I wish somebody
would read me like that, like Iwish I could find a medium that
would read read me in that way.
I don't have that, is that me?
Yeah?
Oneika Mays (29:05):
No, I believe that, and it's so funny too as you're
talking, there's like a glowaround you that got really
strong.
When you're talking, I'mtracing it with my finger right
now Like it's like a yeah.
Isabel Franke (29:18):
My aura change and probably yeah.
Oneika Mays (29:20):
Like it, just got.
It just got like bigger yeah.
Isabel Franke (29:25):
Yeah.
Oneika Mays (29:26):
And I don't normally see auras, but yeah.
Isabel Franke (29:29):
So that's a little bit like you're like
what's it look like or what's it.
It's everything, it's a feelingof.
It's a feeling of everythingand it varies from energy to
energy, it varies from spirit tospirit.
It's not always the same.
Are there ways that people cancultivate?
I think, if you're gonna wannacultivate, I definitely feel
like, if you feel like you're amedium, talk to a medium to see
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if you're really a medium andtalk to a good one.
Talk to a good one and if it'snot, others I can recommend.
But it's like, talk to a goodone, because a true medium will
tell you if you're really are ornot.
Someone else may just feed yourego for the money of the month,
yeah, but yeah, there'sdefinitely ways to cultivate.
I mean, I teach my students howto you know, read quickly, like
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spirit, spirit is excited,right.
Like when I give, they're like,oh my God, someone's listening
to me and they see me and let metalk really fast and then tell
you everything.
Oneika Mays (30:22):
I'm like, oh my.
Isabel Franke (30:22):
God and they're just like slow down, like let's
breathe, let's talk.
So there's a way I say that islike you have to learn how to
communicate with them.
And this is the same as yourspirit guides, guys.
It's no different from when Italk about this as community
spirit guides or communicatingwith your past loved ones.
Have a conversation, have agive and take like you would
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with somebody in their physicalbody.
Learn to communicate,understand the signs and symbols
.
Some people, like I said, theirspirit communicates with them
with signs, right.
So I have a student who sees alot of signs, right.
She's like, oh, they're showingme a lock, they're showing me
this.
So for her, we practiceunderstanding what that sign
means every time she sees it.
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I have another student seescolors.
So for her, we practice whatdoes those colors mean every
time you see it?
And the past loved ones that youchannel at times will use the
way that you sense and seespirit to help you get a message
clearly.
So, yes, practice makes perfect.
And just find someone that cantrain you, get coaching, and I
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hate it when people are like I'ma medium and then they're just
like there's no coaching andthere's no training.
You definitely, I think whetherit's your natural ability
because it is I definitely feellike you need to have training
and time with it before youthrow it out.
And I think one of the biggestthings for anybody whether they
think they're medium or theydon't think they're medium the
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biggest way to interpret spiritis through your own emotions and
feelings.
So you need to do your own work, otherwise you have to learn
how to embrace sadness, how toembrace grief, how to feel joy,
like you have to learn youremotions, because you put spirit
into that and they're gonnatriple it times 10.
And if you have your walls up,you can misinterpret a message
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or not fully understand itbecause of your own fears or
walls that you've built aroundyourself.
So the starting place foreverybody is truly embracing
your own emotions and feelingsand really be comfortable with
that.
Oneika Mays (32:22):
That's so important .
That's so important too forlife, right?
I mean just in general, on yourjourney.
How many conversations have wehad about this, that you have to
know who you are inside ifyou're gonna be on any sort of
path and we can't rely onexternal sort of resources to
sort of guide the way?
Isabel Franke (32:41):
Right, yeah, yeah , and I think that's the biggest
thing.
I think that you know, doingthis for so long, there was a
point where my walls were up,like walls were so up and they
just were up, and it wasdifferent.
Since I'm more comfortable withmy emotions, I'm comfortable
with who I am and myself, likeeverything is easier, like I
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think that's the best way,everything flows differently.
Oneika Mays (33:06):
Yeah yeah.
Do you ever have people visit?
Isabel Franke (33:09):
you in dreams?
Absolutely Not so much anymore.
But before I stepped into this,yeah, that's all I did growing
up, especially in my 30s.
It was constant.
It was family member afterfamily member, random after
random.
I had people on my bed.
I had people waking me up.
I had dreams, but not so muchanymore, I think, because I
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embraced it to such a degreethat it's literally like all day
long.
Okay, sometimes, I meansometimes, you know, I still
have my own, my own personal,like my grandfather will come
through my dreams at times, notas much as I would love him to,
but yeah, yeah, the big one forpeople.
(33:52):
Don't dismiss, here's the thing,because I get that a question a
lot.
Do my loved ones visit you,visit me in my dreams?
Absolutely, your loved onesvisit you in your dreams.
Here's the thing that we tendto do, and I'll give you a
little tidbit.
We tend to go oh my God, you'rein my dream, like I'm freaking
out, like, ah, like it's a startright.
When you do that, usually whathappens?
(34:12):
It's done, it's done, it's done.
So train yourself and you cantrain yourself to not panic,
train yourself to not go.
You're not supposed to be here,oh my gosh, and just enjoy the
moment, because you can do it.
You can do it and you'll get alittle bit more time with them,
energetic, wise.
Don't worry about why can theynot speak, because a lot of
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times our loved ones don't Never, when people know it's never.
Oneika Mays (34:38):
and lots of times I can't even, because Eric
actually visits me and wheneverI see him I don't actually see
his face at all.
But I know it's him, but Ican't see his face.
And that's how I know thedifference between if I'm
dreaming about him or if it's avisit.
If I can see his face, I knowit's a dream.
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When I can't see his face, Ikind of know it's a visit.
Isabel Franke (35:03):
I don't know.
I think it goes back and forthfor me.
Sometimes I say that For methat's the.
Oneika Mays (35:07):
That's the.
Yeah, that's my distinction,yeah.
Isabel Franke (35:11):
There's times of why, if you guys want to try it,
give them a chalkboard.
Can I have a chalkboard in yourdream?
I dare you.
Give them chalkboard here.
Write what you want to say, seewhat they write, see what you
feel they write, because it'sgoing to go through your
feelings right, like see whatthey say with the chalkboard.
That's your way of like doingit.
We talked earlier in a coupleepisodes back about lucid
dreaming.
Yes, we talked about stuff, andwhen I first was learning about
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lucid dreaming, way back in theday, one of the things in lucid
dreaming they would say ispractice pushing over the box or
different stuff in your dreams,like practice moving an object
in your dream, practice doingthis in your dream.
And I say that in the samesense that when a loved one
comes in, why can't you be likeoh, here, write on a chalkboard
here, write it down right andsee what, just see what happens.
(35:57):
Just see what happens.
But you can still communicatewith them through emotions and
feelings.
You know and you have toremember that they're not in
their, they're not in thatphysical body.
They're simply showing you whatyou connect with in remembrance
of them and their energy, justenergetically, energetically
more than you know what we thinkwe would right Verbally this
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way.
So you see me ask you.
Oneika Mays (36:20):
Yeah, what about when you feel a presence that
doesn't feel safe or friendly?
Friendly is the word that Iwant to use.
Isabel Franke (36:30):
I've had those.
I've had those when I've had todo clearings on people's homes.
It actually had spirit throwstuff at me.
And, by the way, guys, that'sreally rare.
Yeah, it's not usual, right.
I can't say after doing thisfor so long, literally on one
hand, how rare that is.
(36:51):
I can't even fill up all fivefingers.
Rare, right.
And the thing is is when youfeel a presence like that for me
, like for me and my work,whether it's I'm channeling you
know past loved one, or givingsomebody a reading or doing a
healing, I always call in myspirit team, always.
That's how I start my day,that's how I start every session
.
I surround myself with myangels, I surround myself with
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my guides at night, and it's thesame circumstance.
When you feel a presence likethat, I don't even deal with
that.
Like, honestly, I don't even Ican.
No, if I can literally hear myhigher self being like we don't
deal with that shit, like I justcall on, like I call on my
angels and I'll be like takethem where they need, and I will
literally say remove the spiritand take it where it needs to
(37:36):
go.
It's not your job to cross overspirit.
No medium.
If you ever hear medium.
I'm crossing over spiritBullshit.
You're not, you can't, youdon't.
That's not the way it works.
So, like you know, it's notyour job to cross over, it's not
our job to do anything otherthan I just simply ask Divine
Light, ask my guides, just toremove them from the space.
And I hold it because Ienergetically can feel and see.
(37:58):
I'll just hold that energy fora little bit until I feel that
disconnect being made.
Oneika Mays (38:03):
When we first, when I first moved here, I was
asleep and Andrea was in theliving room and I heard this
like giggling and it was.
It was like like an impish isthe best way I could sort of
describe it like a giggle, and Ifelt it like kept waking me up.
And I remember calling to her.
(38:24):
I'm like, do you hear that?
Like something is bothering me.
So she came in and she sort of,you know, burn some, paul Santo
.
And then then I went back tosleep.
Then I had this really bizarredream where I could feel this
presence like trying to get meout of this, trying to get a
whole bunch of people, and Iknew it was a dream and I could
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tell that somebody or somethingwas making me have this dream
and I could hear the giggling,like they were, they were, they
were like messing with me, right, like mess, and I was so
aggravated and also a littlefreaked out at the same time.
But then sort of instinctuallyin that moment, I called on all
of my ancestors.
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There was this moment that theyrose out of the pavement, like
they just sort of rose up andlike took care of it, and then I
could hear like this, like anant, like mad that that happened
and then it sort of disappeared.
And I don't have to sleep.
Isabel Franke (39:25):
Yeah, and that's exactly.
I think that's, that's the bestway, like what you did is
exactly the best way.
And there comes a point.
I think even me, like in this,what I do for a living, like I
just don't mess with it, likepeople are like, oh what if you
do that?
I'm like that's not even anoption in my, in my I hate to
use the word level, becausethat's what I'm hearing my guys
say in my level and what I do,like I don't get that shit.
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Like you know, I'm even talkingto Mal about this, because me
and Mal started way back whenand we kind of had a lot of
things that we were a part of,that we don't like to discuss
right, extracisms and differentthings.
And I say that now that we both, I think, have created such
boundaries around ourselves andwhat we do, that those type of
entities or those types of beansor those types of spirit, like
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that's just, that doesn't happen, like that literally does not
happen for me any longer.
Oneika Mays (40:13):
What are ways that we can put boundaries for
ourselves, as we're sort of, youknow, exploring this.
What are some things that wecan do?
Isabel Franke (40:20):
Well, you know, that's where I go back into.
Like, if you're a medium,there's different things.
You have gatekeepers, you haveyour protectors, you have all
these things that you want toset your space with within
yourself, and that's a wholedifferent conversation, I think
in the depths of if you want topursue this.
But I think the best thing foryou to set boundaries your
spirit is just to have aconversation with them, like go
into meditation, call yourspirit guides in and then set
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the boundaries, like literallytake yourself to a place where
you're like this is what isallowed and not not allowed.
Tell them like.
Tell them like why?
Why do people feel like theycan't tell what's acceptable to
spirit?
Because what is free, likethat's what I think they're like
, oh no, but I can feel like andsee, so everything's open.
No, absolutely up and not like.
(41:05):
No way.
Tell them, absolutely not.
Tell them what they can do,like mine, for example.
You asked you I get dreams to?
Probably not, because Iliterally tell my guys do not
channel messages while I sleep,do not take me, do not take me
to.
You know, out of my body, whichI just had an aha moment.
Right now, when I'm saying this, I just had an aha moment
(41:26):
because I haven't been able tosleep in weeks.
Literally, I have not been ableto sleep.
I've had the hardest time, andthey're like we're not taking
you out of your body to give youthe messages, but you're not
channeling them.
So that's why you're stayingaway, because we're like I just
heard it right now and I said itand I was like All right,
message received, got it, soanyways.
(41:46):
But I think the best thing isjust go to meditation, set your
boundaries with them, tell themwhat you're comfortable with and
what you're not comfortablewith.
That's, that's the biggestthing.
The other part is is is like yousaid something about energy
coming in or the way you said it, and I was like I said a
boundary, even with mine, whereit's like you I remember my
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mentor teaching me this and Istill used it is surrounding
yourself with like imaginingthat divine light.
Right, so clear your energy.
Imagining the white divinelight around you or whatever,
whatever color light.
You have my breeze white andand literally be setting that
intention that whoever tries tocross into my energy is like
zapped or hit that, bounce thatstuff back.
Yeah, like it works.
(42:29):
I can still feel it whensomebody's like oh, and it's
like no, like you're going tocome back out.
So everything, the power ofintention cannot be stated
enough.
The power of intention cannotbe studied enough, and I think
we always downplay it intomanifestation.
I'm quoting it, but like it'sso much more than that.
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The power of intention is soreal.
Oneika Mays (42:54):
I used to do that a lot, not a lot.
Every time that I went toRikers I would protect myself
when I was leaving and I wouldbe covered from the time that I
left my apartment until I gotthere, until I got home, like
creating this barrier around methat you know.
I even like imagine myselfhaving like wings and a tail,
(43:15):
like you know, just sort ofclearing things out of, out of
my path and out of the mostbeautiful.
Isabel Franke (43:23):
I'm like I'm laughing because I'm looking at
you.
I'm like, oh, so you have adragon.
And I'm like, okay, we're goingto sound crazy right now, but
we'll leave that one alone.
Oneika Mays (43:30):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was, it was like it was like
a dragon, yeah.
And then sometimes I wouldactually call on like ancestors
to protect me.
So I had people like at my backI pictured, and they weren't
massage, but I pictured them aslike these massage warriors who
are like behind me, who like hadmy back and protecting me,
(43:52):
especially when I was actuallyin the jail, like I wanted my
back completely protected, butin the back I always wanted very
protected and people to feel it.
In my office there wouldsometimes be both officers and
folks who are incarcerated whowould come to my office and you
could physically see them not beable to walk into my office
(44:14):
Like you're going to ask youthat.
You could see the struggle likethey want to come in and it
would crack me up.
I'm like, oh, this place isreally, this is good, we're good
.
Isabel Franke (44:24):
Have you ever seen?
Have you ever watched vampiremovies or like shows?
Yeah, Okay.
So they always state that avampire has to be invited into
your home in order to come in.
And I think that's the same forlooking at energetic wise, Like
if you really are in control ofyour energy and your space.
It's like, yeah, that quotevampire that's going to suck
your energy out Cannot come inunless you invite them in.
Oneika Mays (44:47):
Yeah, that was always fun to watch.
And there were some folks atRikers too who were in tune with
it, who would also sort ofnotice, like people who could
sort of breeze in my office andthey're like, oh, finally I'm
safe, yeah, and then theycouldn't even notice.
There are a couple, there are acouple of officers who you
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could see like would try to comein and just you could always
watch them get pushed up Againstthe barrier and like bounce
back.
Isabel Franke (45:17):
Yeah, we have.
When I used to have my office,because I had an office for
years where, like, there wasdifferent like wellness things
in there.
You know, on the slosh, thatdoesn't matter, but I always set
that same attention Like I putmy what I call them, my guards.
My guards sit at the front doorand this is what happens either
.
You know, they remove allnegative energy.
I, even now, when I stage myhouse, all spirit has to stay
(45:38):
like five miles to themselves,like whatever it looks like, so
that nothing in my bubble cancome into, which people used to
always walk in my, my energy inmy office, and they're just like
.
They're like there's somethingabout the minute I step into
this place and I'm like, yeah,because it's set far out before
you step in, and they're like itreally hits me and I'm like,
(45:58):
yeah and yeah, even now I thinkabout it like the kids, because
I have teens, their friends lovecoming over and I think there's
a reason.
They're like always, like oh,we love, we let.
They always want to be here,and I'm like, yeah, because my
intention is set at that door.
It's like you're going to getshowered and cleansed before you
walk in.
Oneika Mays (46:16):
Yeah, and you can feel that in the places that
I've lived to and I think Ididn't make that connection
until you know recently, when Ireally started to explore that
my home always felt really good,like it's not so much how it
looked, but it would feel reallycozy.
Isabel Franke (46:32):
Yeah, and yeah, it is my mom.
My mom doesn't.
She knows what I do Like.
My mom obviously knows what Ido for a living and she doesn't
understand it all.
She's, she's I mean that's awhole story to sell, saying in a
very long time to get whereshe's at with me, but she's,
she's supportive in it.
What's interesting is she canalways feel when I clean my room
(46:53):
house.
If I say to my house, eventhough you can't smell it,
she'll be like oh, you justsaved it, like she and her just
feel it yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oneika Mays (47:03):
I love.
I actually now clean my houseregularly and I never did that
before, but now it's sort ofpart of my routine, like when I
clean I also sage and then, likeonce a month, I do a big like a
big clearing, like hands onwalls clearing, like pulling
energy down and pushing it outof the window on both sides.
(47:26):
I need to.
Isabel Franke (47:27):
I haven't done it lately but honestly, like since
somebody's moved out of thatheight, it just doesn't feel
like I have to do it, as oftenthe energy is so it's just not
thick, like the whole vibe isjust, it's just not, it's not
thick, I don't know.
(47:47):
So I need to do it more,because I do work out of my home
in space, but I also clearafter every every client, so I
guess no idea all day, cause I'mlike okay, guys, you know clear
, clear, clear.
Oneika Mays (48:00):
And then Do we need to like clear our phones?
Isabel Franke (48:04):
There's some people that say yes, I say no.
That's for me.
I think if you feel like youneed to, then all the guy all
means go ahead.
Here's what I what recently washitting me really hard Every
conversation you have is energy,whether it's a texting
conversation or it's, you know,a verbal conversation.
(48:24):
So if there's conversations thatyou've had, or even text
messages you receive that don'tsit well, quit holding on to
that shit Like we do, because wefester it like.
Quit holding it, delete it.
So I think that this doesn'tsit well with you energetic wise
in your phone.
Then just delete, like remove,don't even hold it, but
necessarily like a wholeclearing on it.
No, I have recently, like as oflast week, set crystals on my
(48:48):
phone, or because I was callingsomething in through my phone,
Like I know it sounds weird, butit was like whether I was like
okay, abundance for clients or alove or whatever it was, it was
like all right, I'm gonna putthis on there so that this, you
know, I can pull that energy.
So yes and no on that.
Okay.
Okay, I'm gonna do a whole likeon clearing the energy of my
(49:09):
phone, like no, but remove thoseconversations that are holding
the energy, absolutely Okay.
What about cars?
Cars are interesting.
Don't you find that everybodyhas a random conversation in
cars that can be really open orhave aha moments?
Oneika Mays (49:24):
Oh, absolutely.
Isabel Franke (49:25):
Yeah, they don't hold energy the same.
Oneika Mays (49:28):
Yeah, they don't, and it's funny I don't think
they do.
I used to drive a lot.
I kind of used to live in mycar, when you know, when I had a
whole nother life, like I usedto drive a thousand miles a week
, so there was always a lot ofenergy in my car.
But now are you know, I mean,we only move the car from side
to side, we're not even going alot of places in the car.
Isabel Franke (49:48):
Yeah, I think Mal cleanses her cars just because
remember, we had thisconversation one day she
cleanses her garage.
I know that, but I don't knowif she clears her car.
I don't clear my car.
I literally feel that your car,for some reason, it's this
weird.
I almost want to use sacredcontainer Aha, different energy
in the car.
(50:09):
But I have crystals in my car,yeah, so I put crystals in my
car that sit there.
You know, it's interesting.
I have crystals in my car.
I have crystals in my son's car, yeah, and it's funny because
my son just moved to Spain andhe took his crystals out of his
car because he was just like Iwant my crystals with me, which
I thought actually was reallyinteresting to what your kids
(50:31):
pick up on, because you don'tMm-hmm, now I gotta go put more
crystals in, because now mydaughter drives it, so I gotta
put more crystals.
Oneika Mays (50:40):
What did you put in ?
Isabel Franke (50:41):
Salonite.
I just put a Salonite stick.
You know where I go?
Literally there's a shop herein San Diego that sells like a
ton inch Salonite sticks to sella bunch of little ones and
they're like 50 cents each.
So I have them over my doorframes, I have them in the car
and then I have the really big,big ones, because there's gotta
(51:02):
get a new one now.
But I have really big ones thatlike the garage door outside to
the front door.
So you know they're at thethreshold when you come in, cool
.
Oneika Mays (51:12):
Yeah, that's it All right, this is fun, this was
fun, thank you.
Thank you All right guys.
I guess we'll talk to you guyslater.
Yeah, have a good one, bye.
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