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Speaker 1 (00:07):
There is nothing new to be discovered, but there's everything
to be rediscovered. And I think when you kind of
look at it that way, you go I mean, for instance,
Michael Debate, one of the fathers of heart and vascular
surgery in Texas back in the fifties and sixties, when
(00:28):
cholesterol came into the forefront, he always used to say, look,
cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. It's an
innocent bystander, and you know, just get off of this.
It's gotten trapped in an inflammatory process, but it didn't
cause the inflammation and what caused the inflammation. So, for
(00:52):
one thing, if you have a little wheat German glutenant
stuck to the inside of your blood vessel like a splinter,
that's a really good cause of inflammation. So, you know,
and I've wrote about this in Longevity Paradox. Let's suppose
I'm an alien sent to orbit the Earth to send
back to high command my observations. And one of the
(01:15):
things that I could send back to high command is
I've been watching the freeways in la you know, and
I can tell you without a doubt that ambulances are
the cause of accidents because every time there's an accident,
I see an ambulance and interesting, So again, causation is
not correlation. Correlation is not causation. So we could make
(01:39):
an observation which I could make in the operating room
every day that I see cholesterol plaque on the inside
of that artery. So cholesterol must have caused that plaque.
But the baky would say, now, cholesterol is basically a
callous that is piling up on an irritation to TechEd
(02:00):
that underlying structure. And that's why we see these plaques
regress when you take away the irritation, just like if
you stop lifting weights, guess what your calust goes away?
How do you take away the irritation? Stop eating those
things we should be eating for our microbiome, period, because
(02:25):
our microbiome constitutes the vast majority of genes in our body.
Ninety nine percent of all the genetic material that exists
in us and on us is non human genetic material,
and our microbiome has the distinctive advantage of rapidly reproducing
(02:52):
and constantly changing and exchanging information from one bacteria to another.
And so I am to think that we've uploaded most
of our decision making processes to our bacterial cloud to
take the work off of our genes. Because these guys
(03:13):
in the in the new book The Energy Paradox, we
now know that that system, that microbiome, literally gives instructions
which we now can measure. We've broken the code. We've
only speculated that they've done this. But now I didn't
(03:33):
break the code, but scientists have broken the code of
how in fact they talk to us and direct us
we really exist for our microbiome and as long as
what are microbiome the microbiome or the bacteria, the fungi,
the yeast, the bugs. Yeah, yeah, I mean, we just
(03:54):
had no idea. When I was in medical school and
up until the Human Microbiome Project, we boomed that the
GI track the stomach and intestines was just this hollow
tube and you put some digestive enzymes there there, and
all of a sudden, you know, you got proteins, you
got fats, and you got carbohydrates, and then whatever was
(04:17):
left the garbage you pooped out your rear end and
that was it. That was fourteen years ago. Yeah, and
then all and then, all of a sudden they went
holy And for instance, there were books written about the
gut brain axis because we knew that the second largest
collection of neurons was lining the gut, and there's more
(04:40):
neurons lining the gut than there are in the spinal cord,
so it was called the second brain. Well, now, as
you'll see in the energy paradox, we were wrong about that.
Those neurons are there to actually get messages from the
guy to the biome and then talk to the brain.
(05:04):
So we missed the fact that there was this symbiotic
sentient being that was not only living in us, but
was directing us. We know, if you have, for instance,
fat and sugar loving bacteria, which I call gang members,
(05:24):
they will hijack your brain and make you go find
those more huger and more fat that they want to be.
I mean, think about we we are. We are overfed,
but undernourished. I mean, we have more conveniences, more everything,
(05:47):
we have, more food, we have you know, we have
energy bars, we have energy drinks, and everybody needs five
cups of coffee to get through the day. And it's
it's like, what a paradox. We should have the most
energy of any species ever. We should have a lot
more energies than those sardinians who are climbing up hills
(06:09):
in their nineties, but we can't. You know, we can't
get out of bed wow without a double expresso. And
it's all because we stop taking care of our microbiom.
You have a war going on in your intestines, and
as things come across the wall of your gut, your
immune system, seventy to eight percent of all your white
blood cells are down in your gut, and a war
(06:34):
gets started. And interestingly enough, the army has to have provisions,
and we store fat, particularly in our gut, as provisions
for our army. And in fact, I've published data that
the war on the inside of our blood vessels, on
(06:54):
our coronary arteries, we have fat at the cardial fat
line our blood vessels, and that epicardio fat isn't there
in people who don't have coronary art receise. So that
is the stockpile for fueling the army. So if you
stop leaky gut, you lose weight, and you know, and
(07:18):
that's I think we talked about this last time I
was on. One of the problems with with COVID nineteen
and chronic diseases is that my humble opinion, others is
it all Chronic diseases stem from leaky gut, and our
immune system is distracted by everything that's going on down here,
(07:40):
and we don't have a lot of troops up where
they ought to be in our nose and mouth. And
when COVID hits and gets then you have a hyper response,
a cytokine storm because your immune system it's like the
peanut allergy. It's like, oh my gosh, there's a silly
(08:03):
little peanut antigen. Let's go crazy. And so it's these
unfortunate people who have obesity, who have diabetes, who have
insulin resistance, and you know, eighty percent of Americans are
insulin resistant metabolic syndrome, and so it's it's kind of
(08:24):
people go, well, you know, America is, you know, not
doing very well with COVID. Well, we are the perfect
setup for COVID. But I think one of the things
I think we should learn is that the countries and
even our states that really draconianly shut down and practice
(08:49):
social distancing and practice masks wearing look masks are not
the greatest thing in the whole world. And we don't
have to live or die on all these studies say, yes,
they're helpful. Yes they're not helpful, but they you know,
every long term study shows that masks probably have some effect.
(09:10):
And it's like I remember when seat belts were introducing
cars and there was a huge you and cry against seatbelt,
against seat belts, and so you can always muster an
argument that, oh, you know, that's dangerous. But we have
a society have decided that we can mandate public safety
(09:31):
issues and guess what, you better have a seat belt
on in your car now, you know. And we can
mandate airbags, and we can mandate that you can't drive drunk,
even though you'd love to. And so the idea that
we can't mandate for the public good. Sorry, you can't
go one hundred miles an hour, although lots of people
(09:52):
are doing that now. So you know, I have an
associate in Toronto who when they were really shut down,
you were allowed out of your resonance one hour per
week to go get crushes, and they tracked you on
your cell phone, oh my goodness. And to get around it,
(10:15):
people would leave their cell phones in their house and
they knew that the cell phone, you know, was always there,
and they go, that's funny. That person has to go
out and yeah, so that's draconian, that's horrible, but you know,
they shut it down, you know, you know, we used
(10:36):
to feel so sorry for Italy, all these poor Italians
singing from their balconies, but they shut it down, and
now they're better.
There is nothing new to be discovered, but there's everything
to be rediscovered. And I think when you kind of
look at it that way, you go I mean, for instance,
Michael Debate, one of the fathers of heart and vascular
surgery in Texas back in the fifties and sixties, when
(00:28):
cholesterol came into the forefront, he always used to say, look,
cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. It's an
innocent bystander, and you know, just get off of this.
It's gotten trapped in an inflammatory process, but it didn't
cause the inflammation and what caused the inflammation. So, for
(00:52):
one thing, if you have a little wheat German glutenant
stuck to the inside of your blood vessel like a splinter,
that's a really good cause of inflammation. So, you know,
and I've wrote about this in Longevity Paradox. Let's suppose
I'm an alien sent to orbit the Earth to send
back to high command my observations. And one of the
(01:15):
things that I could send back to high command is
I've been watching the freeways in la you know, and
I can tell you without a doubt that ambulances are
the cause of accidents because every time there's an accident,
I see an ambulance and interesting, So again, causation is
not correlation. Correlation is not causation. So we could make
(01:39):
an observation which I could make in the operating room
every day that I see cholesterol plaque on the inside
of that artery. So cholesterol must have caused that plaque.
But the baky would say, now, cholesterol is basically a
callous that is piling up on an irritation to TechEd
(02:00):
that underlying structure. And that's why we see these plaques
regress when you take away the irritation, just like if
you stop lifting weights, guess what your calust goes away?
How do you take away the irritation? Stop eating those
things we should be eating for our microbiome, period, because
(02:25):
our microbiome constitutes the vast majority of genes in our body.
Ninety nine percent of all the genetic material that exists
in us and on us is non human genetic material,
and our microbiome has the distinctive advantage of rapidly reproducing
(02:52):
and constantly changing and exchanging information from one bacteria to another.
And so I am to think that we've uploaded most
of our decision making processes to our bacterial cloud to
take the work off of our genes. Because these guys
(03:13):
in the in the new book The Energy Paradox, we
now know that that system, that microbiome, literally gives instructions
which we now can measure. We've broken the code. We've
only speculated that they've done this. But now I didn't
(03:33):
break the code, but scientists have broken the code of
how in fact they talk to us and direct us
we really exist for our microbiome and as long as
what are microbiome the microbiome or the bacteria, the fungi,
the yeast, the bugs. Yeah, yeah, I mean, we just
(03:54):
had no idea. When I was in medical school and
up until the Human Microbiome Project, we boomed that the
GI track the stomach and intestines was just this hollow
tube and you put some digestive enzymes there there, and
all of a sudden, you know, you got proteins, you
got fats, and you got carbohydrates, and then whatever was
(04:17):
left the garbage you pooped out your rear end and
that was it. That was fourteen years ago. Yeah, and
then all and then, all of a sudden they went
holy And for instance, there were books written about the
gut brain axis because we knew that the second largest
collection of neurons was lining the gut, and there's more
(04:40):
neurons lining the gut than there are in the spinal cord,
so it was called the second brain. Well, now, as
you'll see in the energy paradox, we were wrong about that.
Those neurons are there to actually get messages from the
guy to the biome and then talk to the brain.
(05:04):
So we missed the fact that there was this symbiotic
sentient being that was not only living in us, but
was directing us. We know, if you have, for instance,
fat and sugar loving bacteria, which I call gang members,
(05:24):
they will hijack your brain and make you go find
those more huger and more fat that they want to be.
I mean, think about we we are. We are overfed,
but undernourished. I mean, we have more conveniences, more everything,
(05:47):
we have, more food, we have you know, we have
energy bars, we have energy drinks, and everybody needs five
cups of coffee to get through the day. And it's
it's like, what a paradox. We should have the most
energy of any species ever. We should have a lot
more energies than those sardinians who are climbing up hills
(06:09):
in their nineties, but we can't. You know, we can't
get out of bed wow without a double expresso. And
it's all because we stop taking care of our microbiom.
You have a war going on in your intestines, and
as things come across the wall of your gut, your
immune system, seventy to eight percent of all your white
blood cells are down in your gut, and a war
(06:34):
gets started. And interestingly enough, the army has to have provisions,
and we store fat, particularly in our gut, as provisions
for our army. And in fact, I've published data that
the war on the inside of our blood vessels, on
(06:54):
our coronary arteries, we have fat at the cardial fat
line our blood vessels, and that epicardio fat isn't there
in people who don't have coronary art receise. So that
is the stockpile for fueling the army. So if you
stop leaky gut, you lose weight, and you know, and
(07:18):
that's I think we talked about this last time I
was on. One of the problems with with COVID nineteen
and chronic diseases is that my humble opinion, others is
it all Chronic diseases stem from leaky gut, and our
immune system is distracted by everything that's going on down here,
(07:40):
and we don't have a lot of troops up where
they ought to be in our nose and mouth. And
when COVID hits and gets then you have a hyper response,
a cytokine storm because your immune system it's like the
peanut allergy. It's like, oh my gosh, there's a silly
(08:03):
little peanut antigen. Let's go crazy. And so it's these
unfortunate people who have obesity, who have diabetes, who have
insulin resistance, and you know, eighty percent of Americans are
insulin resistant metabolic syndrome, and so it's it's kind of
(08:24):
people go, well, you know, America is, you know, not
doing very well with COVID. Well, we are the perfect
setup for COVID. But I think one of the things
I think we should learn is that the countries and
even our states that really draconianly shut down and practice
(08:49):
social distancing and practice masks wearing look masks are not
the greatest thing in the whole world. And we don't
have to live or die on all these studies say, yes,
they're helpful. Yes they're not helpful, but they you know,
every long term study shows that masks probably have some effect.
(09:10):
And it's like I remember when seat belts were introducing
cars and there was a huge you and cry against seatbelt,
against seat belts, and so you can always muster an
argument that, oh, you know, that's dangerous. But we have
a society have decided that we can mandate public safety
(09:31):
issues and guess what, you better have a seat belt
on in your car now, you know. And we can
mandate airbags, and we can mandate that you can't drive drunk,
even though you'd love to. And so the idea that
we can't mandate for the public good. Sorry, you can't
go one hundred miles an hour, although lots of people
(09:52):
are doing that now. So you know, I have an
associate in Toronto who when they were really shut down,
you were allowed out of your resonance one hour per
week to go get crushes, and they tracked you on
your cell phone, oh my goodness. And to get around it,
(10:15):
people would leave their cell phones in their house and
they knew that the cell phone, you know, was always there,
and they go, that's funny. That person has to go
out and yeah, so that's draconian, that's horrible, but you know,
they shut it down, you know, you know, we used
(10:36):
to feel so sorry for Italy, all these poor Italians
singing from their balconies, but they shut it down, and
now they're better.
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