39. Ghostbusters 2

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So you are a ransom now. You don't know what death is.

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Be afraid. Welcome to the madness.
We are the mouths of Madness, your new favorite podcast for
horror movie reviews. We're coming to you live tonight
from the Dungeon of Doom. This is our episode 39 on the
1989 Ghostbusters 2. My name is Kevin and welcome to

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our first ever show and tell with our pets.
We're going to give you a littletreat to start the episode and
introduce our audience to our Who are Pets of Madness?
First, I want to bring out my turtles, Barry and Sims.
Let him get out of the cage here.
They're a little guy. Dan, stay away.
You got a. Yeah, bark with that Berry.

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Yeah, little bastard. He doesn't wear crotchless
panties, but he does bark like adog.
Barry Bark. Why not taste that bad?
Started this one off good. Let me go around to the other
members of Madness and have themintroduce their pets.
First we have Dan. Dan, who did you bring?
Well, I brought in my hairless cat.

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His name is Michael Chiklis. I call him the thing for short
and he is the commish of chin scratches.
Aren't you Michael Chiklis? Who's a good boy?
Who's the bestest cat ever? Pussy away from me hang.
What a pretty pussy. There's not a hair to be found
on that. Next we have the mayor of
Halloweentown. It's bear claw.

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Bear Claw, who do you have with you here?
So I brought my pet in. This is Vigo, the Carpathian.
You guys might know him. He he actually did a little bit
of of work in the movie we're reviewing this week.
But you go. Ah, OK.
Yeah, guys, watch the ectoplasm.I don't.
Want Michael Chiklis anywhere near that deep?
Kevin, he, he looks like he's taking a liking to you.

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Oh my. God.
Better just let him finish up than to try and get him.
Drippings with the. Ooze, Yeah, he, he does that.
But you know, I mean, it's part of the charm.
And you know, he was also known as Vigo the cruel, Vigo the
torture, Vigo the despised and Vigo the unholy, you know?
And I mean, he's, you learn, youlearn to love him, you know.

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Well. My God, there's a lot to love
there. Bear claw.
God. Finally, we have the youngest
member of madness, my son, Logan.
Logan, where's your pet? I don't see them.
Well thanks to Bear Claw over here with this weird ass pet.
Mine ran off scared. So now we have to do this
without me. Vigo, he didn't mean it.
Well, I meant it. Vigo's gonna catch some hands

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afterwards. Vigo's looking at you.
Yeah, Vigo is giving you. Hey, you can look at me all you
want, man. OK?
He's giving you the Carpathian death stare, OK?
You can do whatever he wants to me, but he better not get out
near me because I'm not bad. Vigo.
Hey. Whoa.
You're really having a hard timecontaining this monster.
What's wrong with you? Find it better to just kind of
let him do his thing. It's really kind of his, you

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know, his world. He is the ruler of of several
ancient civilizations. And you know, he died and, you
know, came back as this as this horrible abomination.
Have you? Tried giving it catnip.
You know, we, we should try that.
I think that that's one of the things.
Vigo, what do you say to all this?
What was will be. What is will be No.

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There are a lot of other great horror movie podcasts out there,
but what separates us from the other ones is that we're going
to be giving you the older versus younger generation
perspective. Myself, Dan, and Bear Claw were
all born in the 1980s, while my son Logan was born in the 2000s.
So this is the clash of the generations.

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Without any further ado, grab a painting of your favorite 16th
century Carpathian, pull up a chair, hold on to your baby
stroller tight, and let's dive into the madness.
We watched Ghostbusters 2 from 1989.
It was written by Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd.
It was directed by Ivan Reitman.Casting wise, I mean, and we

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have some of the most iconic. Come on, you know, we all know
who's. Some of the greatest improv
comedians, yeah, of all time. For sure, along with the great
Sigourney Weaver coming now, she's a part of that.
Ripley. Ripley herself.
Rick Moranis also starred in this movie and he had a great
1989 because he starred in threemovies in 1989.

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Can you name the other two besides Ghostbusters 2 Rick
Balls? Honey, I Shrunk the kids.
Honey I Shrunk the Kids is 1. Spaceballs came out the year
before. It came out the year before, OK.
That's like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
The only other one. Trying to think of what little
giants? No, that was in the 90s.
Yeah, this one's not really wellknown.
Oh, then yeah, it's called Parenthood.

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It had Steve Martin. Oh, OK.
Nope. Alright.
I was about to get a little shop.
Of horrors, Rick. Marinas, what is going on with
you bro? He might.
Be back for Spaceballs too. He.
Is back for Spaceballs too. Oh.
That's awesome. Yep.
There was also three huge sequels that came out in 1989.
Can you name the other two besides Ghostbusters 2 Batman?

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Superman 80. 9 not. Superman, Superman.
Like the most. Earthquake.
Human Centipede the second. Rumble a little bit.
Early for the son of the human centipede.
I never. Can give us any hints?
1 is a pretty big one that Friday.
The 13th Jason takes man, you got more specific?

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Is it horror? No.
No, these are not horror movies.They're both kind of action
movies. Die Hard 2.
No close good. close good. Yes, one is Lethal Weapon 2.
Never. The other is is a really big
one. Where we're.
Going we don't need Back to the Future part too.

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Back to the future part too, OK?Yeah, so pretty big year 1989
and Logan mentioned the biggest of all Batman with Michael
Keaton came out and yeah, that'sthe.
Original one, yeah. Yeah, it was the original, not
the sequel. Oh, he said sequels.
Actually, I thought he meant like just movies in general.
I was, like I said, Batman. Nathan, our editor, our

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producer, you have it on record.I said Batman.
Yeah, but it wasn't the sequel. Like, I just mentioning that it
was the biggest movie of the year.
Ghostbusters Two had a budget of30 to $40 million.
Do you know how much it made at the box office?
Oh my God. I'm going to say it cleared 140.
All right, 100 and. 40 million, I'm going to go more.

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Because it's such a big pop culture.
Oh God, I'm thinking 180 to like200.
I'm going to go 200I. Think I was lowballing this.
I think I'm going to up my ante a little bit and say 2 million
or 200 million and $1.00 you. Son of a bitch.
Ding Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. Come on.
Damn, Price is right here. My original guess is.

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Going to be that would have beena little low because
Ghostbusters 2 made $215.4 million at the box office.
So bringing it back to Batman, Ghostbusters 2 knew that Batman
was coming out, and because the marketing was already in high

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gear, they decided to release Ghostbusters 2 earlier than
originally intended. I did hear that.
Yeah. Ghostbusters 2 broke records for
the first three days of release like it had so many I.
Mean Ghostbusters 1 was such a such a hit that I could
definitely see why Ghostbusters 2 for.
Sure. And then Batman came out a month

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later and shattered every recordknown to me and so.
But I mean, it's the greatest superhero movie of all time,
Jack. Jack Nicholson is the joker.
I mean, I'm not sad, Michael. Keaton is Batman and Bob.
We can't forget Bob. We.
Can't. Forget Bob.
You're mine number one and. Bob.
Remember, you are my #1. Also.

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Alfred too. I mean, true.
Currently on Rotten Tomatoes, Ghostbusters 2 has a 55% Critic
score and a 61% Audience score. Really that low?
It is kind of interesting. As always, Our good buddy Roger
Ebert was not a fan. You know what, Ebert?
You can go screw yourself, buddy.
He said that this was very disappointing, but he did give

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it two out of four stars, even though this was included on his
worst movie list of the year. So pick your Dwayne Ebert.
You like it or you hate it, sugar.
Get off the pot. Man, right?
Well, this was Logan's pick for an episode.
So, Logan, why did you choose Ghostbusters 2 for us to review?
I mean, I've probably brought itup before on the podcast or just

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in private, but there are two movies in this world that have
made me the most scared as a little kid.
It was Batman 2. Batman Returns with the Penguin
bleeding black blood. Like Jesus Christ, like seeing
that as a three-year old, like it scarred me for life.
And it was this movie actually with the painting and all the
baby shit just freaked me the hell out.

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I don't like horror movies with kids is like the main plot line.
Oh yeah, I'm gonna like possess kids and do all that shit like
that. Just it used to scare.
Me. That cemetery, Yeah.
I have. And that's why I, like, think
it's one of the scariest movies.Like, I think that's a
terrifying movie, except until he starts beating the shit out
of it and then I'm like, OK, he starts going like, like the mom

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and gremlins. Yeah.
I mean, the the main reason why I picked this movie is mostly
because Ghostbusters is one of my favorite movies.
I really love the original and Ithought, well, Ghostbusters is
like, it's a classic. Why not I pick, why not pick the
shittier version of Ghostbustersand let us all embrace the
madness? Wow, I I really like that.

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Just going off of what you said really quick.
I'm like, having, like, one of those moments of connection with
you as my son because this movie, when I was a little kid,
scared the shit out of me. Yeah.
And it was because of the painting.
Vigo. I mean, I was scared of two
movies as a little kid. I was scared of Edward
Scissorhands. Yes, I know he's a good guy, but

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come. On He's got scissors, Yeah, no,
that one freaked me out, that whole.
Movie is preferred. Tim.
Burton. Yeah, that's.
Just sketchy, right? Yeah.
The whole the whole thing. But like, why?
Why would you make a? Winona Ryder Why would.
You make a robot with scissorhands?
I don't get it. And then because Timber and then
you have this movie, Ghostbusters 2, and it really

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like freaks me out. I could never look at, like,
paintings of people the same wayever again.
Like scooby-doo where the eyes follow you.
Yeah. And, and like Logan said too,
with the slime coming out of thebathtub, I really remember that.
And that freaked out how bathtubs when I was a little kid
as well that. Did scare me with the bathtub
scene. That was terrifying.

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I always though one of the coolest things that I've always
wanted to do. And maybe it was just going back
to like Ninja Turtles or something, but being lowered
down into the sewer. Yeah.
I always thought that was the coolest thing I always wanted.
To do that, you saw it. Oh yeah, that's a good point.
Then I saw that it trailer wherehe's like you want to balloon,
do you want? To balloon to Georgie, no.

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I do not want to balloon I'm. Not going down I.
Ain't going down there with the Ninja Turtles anymore.
What's the rest of our overall thoughts?
Stan, why don't you start us off?
Had you seen this movie in a while?
No. It's been a while actually since
I've seen either. I was looking forward to
catching up on this. Really.
I couldn't watch 2 without watching one of course, and
while I do prefer the first movie over the sequel, the
sequel has some great things going for it.

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I like how easily accessible this movie is.
It's a low bar for entry. It's a great family movie with
all the wacky slapstick comedy for the kids and the lowbrow 1
liners for the adults. Everyone in this movie has a
real command for their characterand they are really fleshed out,
and I think that's from the cast's background and improv.

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It has supernatural elements that show instead of spending
all of its time telling you about it, so that's a plus.
It doesn't wear out it's welcomeas it sits at a nice 108
minutes. If you were to ask me though, is
this a horror movie in a conventional sense?
No, to me, if this is horror, then ET and The Goonies are also

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horror and going on my Secret Madness shortlist.
You can do that. Great.
Movie nonetheless, happy to discuss it and hear everyone
else's thoughts. Yeah, I would agree.
I don't this was is really pressing the bounds of what a
horror movie is. You know, if you look at the
classification, it's more comedysci-fi.
But there is some genuinely scary moments of this movie, you

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know, like when Jana's there, when his eyes turn into lights
in the in the hallway. That always creeped me out when
I was a kid. And then when he showed up as
like being a nanny and like to take the baby on the ledge.
Oh, yeah. I got to be honest with you.
Like knowing that baby carriage started going weaving through
traffic and stuff like that justsent my heart racing, which I

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don't think it would when I first saw this movie.
But I've seen this movie so manytimes over the years and I have
a pretty, pretty deep love of it.
I mean, one of the other terrifying scenes for me was
always the courtroom scene with the Larry Brothers, brothers,
friends of yours. If we were to rank ghosts and
Ghostbuster, those are, to me are like the two scariest.
Yeah, they. Looked really good like I do.

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Love, like all the ghost representation in both movies.
They're great, yeah. But but as far as scariness
goes, the Scolari brothers were always like the skinny one and
the fat one and then like being in their chair, they're.
Out there for me too, yeah. They were just terrifying with
their eyes and, and taking people out and that.

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Yeah. So I mean, it's definitely got
some scariness to it. But you know, it's it's
definitely, it's an interesting movie.
It's a funny movie. It's designed to be a comedy.
It doesn't. It never never takes itself too
seriously. It never dives into, you know,
why things are happening becauseit doesn't matter.
It's just a movie. And you're supposed to sit there
and have fun And and I do the entire time.

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It's just, you know, Bill Murray's at his best in this
movie with his one liners and kind of him being the sarcastic
foil to you Egon there, who is played by Ramos.
Rest in peace. But yeah, I mean, it's just it's
just a really great ensemble movie.
It one of the things I enjoyed about this movie was the
continuity from the original movie where the Ghostbusters

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were kind of like fallen heroes because even though they saved
the city in the first one, they got sued by every entity that
could sue them. 100 of 100 foot marshmallow man with the top
three floors off of Uptown high rise ended up getting sued by
every state, county and city agency in new.
And then after they took out a three, three stories of a

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building and stuff. So, you know, you see them and
they're going to kids birthday parties and they're kind of not
living the hero's life. But they've all kind of moved on
to separate things. And then they have to come back
together to get rid of this threat to the city that ooze
underneath the city, which I thought was cool.
So, yeah, I really enjoyed this movie.
I think it's a good movie as faras it being a good horror movie.

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That's a little bit of a different discussion, but I, you
know, it's a fun movie. Yeah.
I. Think like what you're saying.
It's funny because I think horror 2 can be a little
subjective and because, like we all mentioned how much it
terrified us as kids, much like fine art.
Yeah. And now it's a little bit
different as we're older. I honestly haven't watched this
movie in probably 30 years. Like it's been, it's been a long

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time. Yeah, I'm.
Watching it pretty recently but.Yeah, I mean, it's just it
because it was one of those movies that always kind of creep
me out and go back to it a lot. But I'm glad that Logan picked
for this episode. It gave me a chance to go back
and really kind of enjoy it for what it is now, because
especially being an adult, you like you pick up like Dan was
saying on kind of the the subtleness of some of the adult

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humor in this. You can see obviously the nods
to the cartoon at the time, which was big and I got.
A huge fan. Fan Yeah.
I love the cartoon I. Mean I see ecto cool I.
See Acto? Cool, I can taste it.
Bring it back. Put it in my vein, bring.

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It back. We will drink that shit all over
our podcast. We'll.
Be the official. Sponsor for.
Myself over whenever you. Want.
Ecto Cooler. Whenever you want.
I'll give up. Logan.
You want Logan? What the hell?
What the Hell's this? Go to Icy.

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You know what I think? This is another one that to me
does blend comedy with some horror.
I think the first one obviously does it better because there is
more of a serious tone throughout.
Sure, and this one is. Obviously, how you can handle
any of this subject matter with a serious tone.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, also, I don't really
want this in a serious tone. It's fun.

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Yeah, you're right. You're right because I think
having it in a non seeking. Series.
Let me just put it Ben, let me just put it like this.
Gentleman Bustin makes me feel good.
Makes us all feel. Makes us all feel good.
I don't. I don't care what the I don't
want to go through the existential horror of what it
means that there are ghosts running around.
I want to see a judge. Didn't care.

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With a proton pack, just just lighten up some goose ghosts.
Near the bad guy from no holds power.
Yeah, I mean it's it's a really effective I think movie at being
a comedy and and scary in tone like I think it does walk the
line. Does it do it perfectly?
Obviously, no, and I think that's why it's got some
criticism over the years. But to me, as sequels go,

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though, I think this should be talked about as being one of the
best sequels. Yeah.
Period, I think. This and the TMNT sequel yeah,
sequel are two of like the most fun, entertaining sequels.
Like, not just like classic. Great.
News based movies but just like.Good movies to just watch and
just like enjoy for sure Slime. Was big back in the day.

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Slime of every is Gastonia. Nickelodeon, I think is partly
responsible for that and. Speaking of that, I see.
I don't remember having this, Stan.
Maybe you had it. They had pink slime that you
could put all over the action figures I had.
That you had, it came with the Firehouse, OK, because you had
to like you had about. Ghostbusters.

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Yeah, Ghostbusters. I didn't actually own any
Ghostbusters. Yeah, no, I was big into the
action figure line. I had the I would, I loved
Ghostbusters. I had.
The I had their the fire, that was where.
It had the ooze because you poured the ooze in the in the
top of it. When I was in preschool, I
dressed up as a Ghostbuster on not a Halloween day and informed

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all the teachers that if there were any ghosts that that I
would be happy to take care of them in their house.
You know little. Bear Claw with his little bear
claw, man, Yeah. And, and they weren't asked a
lot of questions about that, butI said you got to move past that
Lady. You're.
Also wearing garageless panties and barking like a dog.
What the hell was that about fair fun?

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That's why in this movie they have the pink oozer slime
because they wanted to cross market that with the toys they
got. Me, I had I had the ecto one,
the car I had all of the see, that's what.
I think this era doesn't understand because I told like
many like people about like my era of toys like because I was

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kind of like the last generationof like good movie toys, toy
wines. But you you guys like you guys
had the coolest. We had the.
Stars were made to sell the toyslike that was a big.
Batman and TMNT and like yeah, Ghostbusters, we had the start
of it for sure. And they even made movies like
Transformers off of their shows and the toys and.

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Stuff. So yeah, I.
Mean, I forgot what I was gonna say.
It'll come to you. Boston.
Boston. And all I can think about is
Boston. Oh, oh, that's what I want to
say in the movie too. It's kind of a fourth wall break
because they have like the mug and the balloons and stuff.

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And it's like they're trying to or no, no, it's the commercial
when they're like, yeah, get your mug and your your balloons.
Like I love that shit because it's like it's a movie within a
movie within a movie. They know where they're meta,
right? It's very mad.
They're just. They're there to sell some shit
they're commercializing. Within a commercial?
Within a movie. Balloons for the kids I'm.

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Blonde. They did it very good, though.
They did it very good because you can I.
Get one of those. Mugs.
I'm one. Of those mugs cuz.
Can't get on? Do that.
Get on your team, move there. Does that.
Explain why the Ghostbuster emblem on their uniforms also
has like the two. Yes, and at the celebration they
also had the 2 on it. Yes, you're right on the sign

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and stuff. Oh my God, they were marketing
without anybody real here had a proton.
Pack when they were a little low, I.
Don't think I did. I had AI wasn't privileged
enough to have one break. You can make it, or wait a
minute, you can have a proton pack that's unsafe the proton.
Pack is not a toy it. Was like, well, it was one of
the little plastic ones and and when?
And they? Had one of the other blasters

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that like it would show the villains on the wall.
It was like a projector and I would say, well, my dad would
have that and then I would have the proton pack.
OK, that's happy childhood memories there.
Yeah, this is this is pre kindergarten.
But listen. If if you're out there and you
have any of these toys, send us pics at at our Instagram.

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At the outlook, yeah, that was the last.
E-mail, I was doing that. It's like that was kindergarten,
I don't believe. This I kind of want to join to
be honest. Where's?
Our invite Apple hey. I ain't a friend of no ghost.
My goodness Logan, this being your your pick.

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How was this watch for you cinema?
Did you enjoy it? Oh, I enjoyed it man, I thought.
Saisy would have approved of this one.
I. I.
Bet you. I bet you though if you got him
with some like weed and some good like and you got him with
some good shit like going on like I bet you he'd have a good
time. I didn't need any of that though
cuz this movie was straight up enjoyable as hell.

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As soon as the movie started youwere back in the magic like.
I love when a movie brings you back to like the world and kind
of like brings you back into like that joy and wonder.
Like one of my favorite sequels is Back to the Future Part 2
because it's like as soon as themovie starts, you're back and
back to the future. Like it is back to like where

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you were. Like it just is a perfect.
Like it's like riding a bike. It's like you stay off for a
little bit and it's like, oh, and then you like kind of miss
it in a way. And it's like being
reacquainted. With an old friend, yeah.
Exactly, exactly. That's why I think like world
building is so important with a movie franchise because it just
brings you back and makes you anticipate the next watch.

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And I think this movie does a great and this.
One certainly didn't take any risks.
I mean, it's pretty much the IT.Is the same formula from the
first one. And that's why.
I love it because it just feels so like, it feels so good to
just be back and kind of like having fun.
It's like, it kind of is like grown-ups, but with like ghosts
and stuff. Like it's just friends hanging

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out and like blowing up ghosts and saving the world.
Like it's just kind of like they're just having fun with it
too. It's not like they're being like
grumpy or whatever, Like they'rehaving fun with it.
That's true. Like I think that's why I enjoy
it the most is because it just feels like a fun, enjoyable move
that you can kind of just sit back and watch.
Like it doesn't take too much time out of your day.
It kind of just makes you feel good with yourself, like the

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newer movies I'm not a huge fan of.
Because. Of that because I don't think
they have what like the last movie like had and like the new
franchise it doesn't have those friends like yeah, it has Paul
Rudd and stuff, but like it brings.
A bit hollow, doesn't it? Yeah.
The new one was good. I like them bringing back the
older cast, but like, you know, it's not the same.

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It's not the same. It's the.
New Ghostbusters you're talking about?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The new Ghostbusters are pretty
good too. I'm not.
Bad I just that's why I I don't like them as much as these
because I like the fun, enjoyable feel of being back in
this world. And like, it feels like too long
of a like shift in between movies where I'm like, there's

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too much time in between where I'm like this feels, this feels
cheap. There's a lack of sincerity to
yeah. It feels like you're just doing
it for money while like this movie, like, yeah, they did, but
it's so fun. That's the problem.
It's like, enjoyable. You actually want to watch.
Yeah. You're not forced to watch it
like they're kind. Of doing it for the right
reasons, yeah. They're doing it for the right

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reasons. Like they just want to have a
fun time and kind of just want to bring people back.
Yeah. And, and there was what, five
years between this one, which isn't too long, was.
There really like the five year thing that they put up was like
legitimately there was a five year gap between the movies,
which isn't. Too long between it gives you
enough time to kind of like wantit back.
Never. Occurred to me that they were

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that far apart apparently. They wanted a sequel pretty
quickly. But to what you're saying, Dan
Aykroyd, Harold Ramis and Bill Murray especially, like they
really care about the the movie and the IP.
So they didn't want to just comeback to come back and kind of
took their time with it. I think they felt like the
timing was right to do it. It felt right.

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It didn't feel like they were, like, doing anything wrong with
this movie. Well, I like what Bear Claw had
said in his opening thoughts because I like where they go at
the beginning of this. Because the Ghostbusters are
down on their lock. Yeah, you know.
Kids birthday party. Is.
Like they had a fall. From grace, you know.
And I like my. Dad says you guys are full of

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crap. Some.
People have trouble believing inthe paranormal.
He just says you guys are full of crap and that's why you went
out of business. That is the guy who does the new
Ghostbuster movies. It's Jason Reitman.
Ivan Reitman's the director. Yeah.
And it's his son Jason who does the new ones, I believe.
I could be wrong. Oh.

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No. And was he the kid that said
yes? Oh cool.
I didn't know that he was the kid that said my dad says you're
full of crap. And that's why he wanted to
retcon at all and kind of just do it with a whole new cast cuz
he don't like those guys his. Daughter is also the girl who
holds the puppy. Oh.
Wow. Now take the puppy away.
Let's see what happens. When we take away the puppy.

(27:18):
What about that married couple? What was their where they were
arguing and he was turning up the heat in the room?
And they were. They were like a cousin.
But your. Marriage is cooked.
We're gonna have to watch you wait another two hours.
We've been here for 25 years. Yeah.
I like it, though. I think it's all realistic
because like what would happen in in theory, like yeah, they

(27:41):
probably would get sued and everything five years.
No one would want to pay for that shit.
No, no property insurer. Not the organizations
themselves, not the town. Oh.
Yeah. And like, you know, you can't
really prove. I mean, I think once once they
got rid of Gozar, the Gozarian there, I think they're the
evidence that anything happened other than like a spectacular,

(28:03):
like even in this world, like nobody believes that.
What they did was, I mean, at the time everybody thought it
was heroic, but now everybody's just like you're a bunch of
fraudsters and everybody kind ofrationalized everything away of
like, oh, you know, it was gas leak or something and.
That's the one thing that I havetrouble with with this movie a
little bit, because it's like there was a giant fucking

(28:26):
marshmallow marching down down your city.
That's you're gonna, you're gonna.
Everybody was seeing ghosts and everything like that, but I
don't know, I guess they decidedthat to just rationalize it away
and. That's my only I.
Hear what you're saying, but I think in the real world there
needs to be a scapegoat for like.
Oh, that's true. They're.

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Trying to escape GOAT. True.
What they always talk about in Marvel movies, for instance,
like The Avengers come in and destroy a whole city.
Yeah, there's literally a whole movie.
Well, there is a whole movie where, yeah, it starts off.
I was about to say brother. So Kobe Accords, they made a
whole accord based on that, where they're like, you can't do
any of this unless you're sent in by us to do it.

(29:10):
But were they sued? So basically what happened is
we're going to explain civil warfor you guys.
So everything that happened in Age of Ultron and New York,
everything that happened in the first two Avengers movies was
basically brought upon The Avengers.
Everybody that they have to takeresponsibility and that they all

(29:31):
have to sign their names to be like, I guess like sanctioned by
the government and like every everybody has to agree to let
The Avengers come in. Only then can they come in.
They can't come in on their own otherwise they'd be acting as
rogue criminals actually. So maybe they took a little bit
out of this, this movie as well because.
I think it's more or less the criticism that people out of the

(29:53):
movie. It's a fair thing to say, but
like, let's be honest, if there was like a group of people
acting as like vigilantes to do good, but aren't like
sanctioned, aren't actually likebrought in by the government.
Like what's to say Like they're they're supposed to be like good
people. They could be terrible people

(30:15):
and only then they have to be like, well, that's like once.
You put Batman under a microscope, he falls apart
entirely. I mean, it's the same thing of
like, OK, so this guy's doing vigilante justice in the
streets. And I mean, anybody with a
calculator could take 10 minutesand be like, who has the
economic ability to do this? And is all is, is mysterious.

(30:36):
And they figure out it's Bruce Wayne in about 10 minutes.
It's accountant would figure outa spruce land in about 10.
Minutes. It's very fact one.
Of them did, yeah. It's very, very different
between different universes. But like, I think The Avengers
and Ghostbusters is a very similar kind of element because
they both have things that aren't like usually in a world

(30:57):
of like what we have, like they're, they're supernatural
things happening in that world. That's true.
And that there are super poweredpeople like not in the
Ghostbusters world, but like in The Avengers universe.
So like they and. I'm gonna, I'm gonna touch on
this a little bit in my conspiracy corners too.
And it's not even an original idea by me.
I think I saw a YouTube video, but I couldn't find the YouTube

(31:18):
video to cite it for us. But even with the Marvel movies,
one of the themes and, and especially in like the Iron Man
movie, especially Iron Man 2, it's kind of really brought in
everybody's face is it's kind ofhow the real world wrestles with
these and what the message of these superhero movies and of
these movies is they're really showcasing some American ideals

(31:41):
of individualism and Oh yeah. And you know, anti government
bureaucracy kind of stuff. Surprisingly, those there, those
themes run deep in these movies as well as in a lot of the
Marvel movies. And with Iron Man, they're going
like, I've privatized World Peace.
You're welcome. Like that kind of thing.
I. Think every Marvel movie passed
like the last Avengers. The big Avengers movie has

(32:04):
brought that up because of how much The Avengers is left
behind. I think you can make a whole
argument about any universe withsuper powered people or any kind
of people working together to stop like the world from ending
and then kind of sit them down and be like, wait a minute, you
guys aren't government sanctioned and you're acting as
your own. Like you're acting on your own

(32:25):
accord. Like, yeah, you're saving the
world, but were you given clearance to do this?
Well, that brings me to a question.
Are the Ghostbusters vigilantes?Yes.
Because they're they're not government sanctioned, but
they're good people. I think they would probably fall
under the Batman. Accord.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, they're just,
they're not, they're not sanctioned, they're not a

(32:46):
government agency like and they're.
Free market enterprise though, yeah.
They're for higher, yeah. They're for higher.
This is very clear on the Ecto Ecto 2 on the side of it.
It said for higher will come bust your ghost for you.
And I think it's an interesting question.
I think it's a question this movie wrestles with a little bit
and the the previous one and wrestles with a lot, but it's
pretty interesting. Well.
Let's ask the viewers. Yeah, let us know.

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Are the Ghostbusters vigilantes?Should they?
Be arrested. Well, I mean, that gets us into
like the main thing in this. The Ghostbusters are arrested
pretty early on. Yeah.
And they're thrown they're. Arrested.
In the previous movie too, they really don't get much time in
this and which I like they're we're thrown like right into it.
There's really not much build up, which I love.

(33:30):
Like Dan said in his opening, this movie runs really good.
Like the pacing, I think, yeah. It kind of runs from 1 scene to
the next and yeah, there's. Not much like slow down and like
ramp up at all. In fact, right away we're
throwing in with the the baby, yeah.
Yeah, that's terrifying. Yeah, can.
I ask too, why did she just likeright away?

(33:51):
I think that there was somethinglike extraterrestrial going on.
I. Mean she's a.
Baby. Brother.
Yeah, Bobbing. Around like.
A regular baby carriage doesn't swerve around cars like that.
Plus she she has had the unfortunate, pretty unfortunate
path of being possessed by a dog.

(34:11):
That's what I was thinking. Extraterrestrial dogs, that's
what. I was thinking too because no
normal like movie like her your.First conclusion wouldn't be.
Clearly this is something some type of spectral elimination I
gotta. Say though, the the best scene
in this entire movie is when he's in trial Lewis there and he
goes they helped me. They're good people.

(34:32):
They helped me out of being possessed by a dog one.
Time I turned into a dog and they helped me and the.
Judges looks and I'm like what I.
Just wanted to go back to the the baby carriage really quick.
I just, I love how all the Carters in New York City berate
it with their heart. Like no one's like, no one's

(34:52):
like, oh shit, there's a baby carriage on those like and
that's. Fuck all the way, baby.
I'm trying. To drive.
New York is the worst place, butthe worst kind of people, and
they bring that up in the beginning of the movie being.
Miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New
Yorker's God-given right? Yeah, I.
Mean there is kind of this overall like thing about people

(35:13):
and being assholes yeah not veryhealthy like.
Nothing. You know, it's every New
Yorker's God-given right to be an asshole to other people.
Be miserable. That's right.
That's right. They find out that this ooze or
slime is running under the city right in the Yeah.
Yeah, it's like a psychic residue kind of thing.
And that always scared me too, because I was like, wait a

(35:34):
minute, there's like slime in the sewer.
There's. Nothing I wanted to do more than
to jump into that slime like they all did.
I don't know why when I was a. Little you, I just.
Wanted to. I just wanted to jump right into
it. Did you?
Want to eat any of it? No.
No. But I always thought it was such
a cool scene where they were covered in slime and they had to

(35:54):
take off all their gear. And then they go into the they
go into the restaurant. He's you're scaring the stiffs,
boys, boys. Boys, you're scaring the
Straits, okay? Oh my God, with the slime and it
apparently it reacts to negativity.
That's the OR it. Is like negativity Incarnate,

(36:16):
Like it's the physical embodiment of negativity.
Well, I. Thought it was like it reacts to
like what you give into it so like it's.
Psycho reactive, Yeah. And who gives us?
So if you're positive, it gives you positive stuff, right?
According. To the rules in the movie, it's
got to have like a charge to it.It's either got a negative
charge or a positive charge because the goo canister

(36:40):
spewers, which also awesome. I wanted one of those in the
worst way not as bad as a protonpack, but close second but that
had positively charged goo. OK.
And that's what they sprayed thepositively charged goo into the
makes sense. So that because they found some
way of positive charging it which may or may not have
involved sleeping with it. You're not.

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Sleeping with it, are you right?Oh, you.
It's always a quiet ones you. Have.
As they talk, they talked about but are you?
Sleeping with this thing? With the goo.
Yeah, you dog. And they somehow knew that
hooking it up to an old NES controller would allow them to,

(37:21):
you know, drive the Statue of Liberty.
But hey, I mean, again with thismovie, you can't take this movie
apart. I there's no, there's no
Nintendo. Controller product Placement
product. Placement.
Yeah, go. Buy the game.
Soon, even though I think this was Super Nintendo time frame,
but that's neither here nor thatyou wanna.
Play some Mario Brothers. What gets us into one of the

(37:46):
scenes? Barracle I mentioned earlier the
Scolari brothers coming to life.Scolari brother.
This scene scared the crap. Oh yeah, as a.
Kid, the Scolari brothers. That judge was about a shiz.
The judge was scary. Too, like when he was going off,
when he was going off on his whole like diatribe, there he
was like in other times when I would have, we would have had

(38:08):
you burned at the stake. And have you?
Like that was just, yeah, he's like, if my hands weren't tied
by alternative fetters of law, then I would invoke the
tradition of our illustrious forebearers, reach back to a
pure sterner justice and have you burned at the stake.
And then having the Scolari brothers blast out of the slime.

(38:30):
Out of the slime that was. Such a cool effect.
Maybe the Scolari brothers weren't wrong in wanting
revenge. That judge was an ass.
This judge, the judge was the real bad guy.
Yeah, you're right. Maybe the judge a real bad guy.
Not that, not that dude from No Holds Barred, the villain there
and he was also in Wayne's World.
Yeah. Jack, who is the mayor's like

(38:53):
right hand guy. Yeah.
Henchman guy. Yeah, he was also in No Holds
Barred is a bad guy. He plays a good, bad plays a.
Lot of good, you know. Isn't he the bad guy?
And was that Adam Sandler movie Anger management too?
I. Didn't see that.
I didn't see that one. It's been a.
While since I've seen that one, yeah.
He's always he was. He was like Adam Sandlers boss

(39:13):
Fat cat. Stuff.
Yeah, he's always a bad guy. What's cool is I didn't realize
the effects in this, especially the Scolari brothers, were
costumed actors and things like that.
Really. Yeah.
Cool. A lot of puppets in this, yeah,
which is like. That's what I thought they were,
Was more like puppetry than anything.
Just with like a opacity kind ofthat's so.

(39:36):
Cool. I mean, it gives the ghost such
a distinct look in this that youjust can't do with CGI.
It just doesn't, I don't know. It just doesn't come off the
same way because in the modern Ghostbusters movies they do see,
you know, heavy CGI and everything like that.
Just doesn't look as cool. It doesn't have like the same,
you know, I don't know. So the same style, yeah.

(39:56):
I mean this definitely has a specific style fat.
And scary brother, like he's bursting out of his clothes and
like he's got those short hands and like.
And then the skinny one was almost even the more terrifying
one because he was floating around and laughing maniacally.
Yeah. For sure.
I think it gives it's a unique look that I mean, and like

(40:18):
Nathan always says, if there's good CGI, you don't know the
difference. But like, to me, this is part of
the aesthetic of these movies, is the way they look with the
effects. Oh, yeah.
Oh. Yeah, and the effects of the
blasters too, the pro, the pro, you know, those, all those look
so cool. And it's just, it's all awesome.
I mean it, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but you know
that doesn't need to for. A second, I was like watching

(40:42):
this and Bill Murray seemed a little too much for me at first.
Like I was like, man, this he was a little bit.
He's working. He's got his working boots on.
He's got that Garfield energy. Yeah, he was like.
I'm proud of. Garfield because I think that's
Bill Murray's worst movie. I think so.
Groundhog Day being. I haven't seen Garfield I oh.

(41:02):
It's so bad I. Hate Garfield.
I hate Garfield comics. I never got the stupid fucking
lasagna thing, now we. Got to bring up the question,
what is Bill Murray's best? I really love Kingpin.
Kingpin. 'S pretty good.
See that? One I'm above the law, I can do.
Anything I want to do, I can buymy way out of any of it.

(41:24):
Is this legal? I don't know, but it sure is
fun. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, Bill
Murray. You know what, though?
Eventually, like, I think I settled in with the movie and I
realized, like, Bill Murray's really the star of this.
This. Oh yeah, definitely just.
Like how he's going at it, his quips, his like sarcasm even

(41:47):
like when he turns it into beingserious.
I I really like it because he has a presence that when he, he
flips the switch, you're engagedwith them and, you know, like,
oh, shit stuff serious now, you know, Yeah.
Bill Murray is awesome. I mean, he still is in a bunch
of Wes Anderson movies. He's still doing movies and he's
still really great. I'm just sad that we never got

(42:09):
more of Dan Aykroyd. Yeah, I I really thought,
thought his star was cut short. He's just.
He's got some cool ideas. He's a weirdo, but I mean that
that's exactly who I want. Whose?
Movies I want to watch, I think he is good on like SNL and
stuff. He's going to be in the new
Happy Gilmore movie. Is he did here?
Really. Yeah.
Him and Sam Mann are good, good pals.

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Well, this begs a got to. Date Princess Leia.
I mean, that's. True.
Yeah, This begs a question. Who's your favorite Ghostbuster?
That's. A tough one, that's.
A tough one, I. Gotta go.
I'm gonna go with Winston. Oh yeah.
Ernie Hudson, Ernie. Hudson, Yeah.
Winston Crow. Hudson.
Just about to say you know a movie Ernie Hudson is pretty
well known for. Well, I mean, you gotta take
what what acting you can get. But I just always liked him

(42:53):
because he was just, he was kindof the straight man in the whole
operation. Like they were all kind of all
doctors of weird parapsychology and stuff like that.
But he's like, I'm just here to do a job.
Category no more parties. Here's your share.
Look, I'm. Trying to take an abuse I'm over
a privileged 9 year old it'd. Be between him and Ray because
they're kind of opposite ends ofthe spectrum.

(43:14):
Ray is the guy who's super into all of this.
Is willing to believe and like oh OK you saw this weird ghost
child riding a bicycle through the park.
I I believe you. Yeah, yeah, let's go check it
out. And Winston is like the other
end of that where he's like, no,what are you talking about?
Like that doesn't need a job. So Bear Claw's got Winston

(43:36):
Logan. Oh, man, it's tough.
I mean, I'm gonna have to go forthe other two.
Egon and Peter. I I think like, just.
I like them a lot. Bill Murray's You gotta pick one
gun to your head he picked. Winston was my OK.
I'll go egon we had. Part of a slinky Erica got me
behind Ray with just the idea oflike he's always willing to put

(44:00):
himself out into the the dangerous situations and it's
always like comedically funny because something always
terrible happens when he. Does that and like.
I just I love, I love Ray in action, like versus like him
quipping or whatever. Like he's the he kind of is the
slapstick foil of the movie in some respects in certain scenes,

(44:22):
hooks. Up with the ghost in the first
one, yeah. That was a famous scene, I think
From hooked up with the goo in this one.
Always quiet ones. And he got.
Yeah, he got possessed by Vigo in this one.
Oh, true. And Vigo kind of took over I was
talking about beforehand. Yeah, He does more of the
physical comedy, like I said. Yeah.

(44:44):
Whereas my favorite now, I think, is Peter.
Well, what's? Best for me is.
If. I lie on my side like this and
you spoon up beside me. When?
I was a kid. Wow, we always met.
Yeah, Egon was my favorite when I was younger too.
Yeah, especially the cartoon. I loved Egon, but Peter's my
favorite now because I can appreciate like Peter.

(45:05):
Was not nearly as prominent in the cartoon Venkman.
In the cartoon, he was just kindof We didn't.
Egon was mainly the main character of the cartoon.
What we didn't? Even try to do it, but we all
picked a separate person. That's pretty cool.
Yeah, that's who we would all be.
They're. Going to be black for right now.
Look out for the I don't know, let's talk about the big thing

(45:31):
for me and Logan Vigo, the Carpathian in the painting
vehicle. Screw.
That guy, I mean, this is scary stuff, I thought.
Still to this day, I think it's scary.
Did. You know that Max von Siddow has
an uncredited as the voice of Vigo Dang.
He's uncredited. Yeah.
Who's? Max von.
Siddow, Father Marin and the Exorcist.
Oh, the Three Eyed Raven in Gameof Thrones.

(45:56):
Oh yeah, there we go. And with the knowledge, that's
pretty cool. That's an.
Actor who played Vigo? Wasn't he in Die Hard too?
He was a former what, boxer? And they said he was not a nice
person in real life. Yeah, I.
Thought he was the same actor who also played the tall man in
Phantasm. I had to, like, do a quick look

(46:18):
at that and be like, yeah, oh, no, no, no.
Those are different people, Yeah.
He was he was in Die Hard especially.
When his hair is like flowing and he's got that kind of his
head looks bigger and yeah. And.
What other movie was he in that is the namesake of this podcast?
Oh, in the mouth of madness. In the mouth of madness he was.
He's in that movie. He was only in it briefly.

(46:39):
He played one of the villagers if you needed, like a tall
Scandinavian dude. He was generally genuinely
Wilhelm von Hamburg. Is his name Hamburg?
But he played a lot of it. You know what?
Watching it this time, Vigo is still very scary, but I didn't
realize when I was a kid how funny and awesome Janusz is in

(47:01):
this. Yeah.
Yeah, he really is. Does a good job.
He's so creepy at the same time,yes.
He does it so well. Like I just thought their
dynamic together too was was great.
Vigo, the sculpture of Carpathy.Oh, you told me.
This discouraged because Vigo's like this scary like you know, I

(47:22):
did a baby and Janus is like baby like he's.
Like. Yes, I don't know, just his
mannerisms, his voice. They're yin Yang, yes.
Yeah, 100 percent, 100% Logan. Was Vigo scary to you this
watcher? No Yeah hell yeah brother.
Like I got scared on the 1st watch of this movie when I was

(47:46):
like 3 years old and I got scared today when I watched like
I was, I was crapping my little pants.
I don't like people who got shitty hairlines going after
babies. That just doesn't feel right.
I thought we were behind all that, that we left that behind.
I think what I really do dig is they actually set up a good

(48:06):
villain even in a sequel, which is hard to do because sometimes
you got a sequel, you're kind oflike, OK, so you got the
Shredder, but you're just going to make him take steroids and
become the Super Shredder. And then he destroyed 2 seconds.
Yeah. And then he destroyed himself
because he was damn too damn big.
And then they had whatever theirhell names were.
Who were the other two dudes that he created?

(48:28):
Tokar and Razor, Stupid ass idiots.
But like, I think that's the problem is like, most villains
aren't as good in the sequel. I think they did a damn good job
at setting up a good villain because this guy was actually
terrifying and. Even the villain in the first
movie wasn't, I mean, Gozar the Garzarian, I mean she was in,
she was in the movie for like 10minutes.

(48:49):
They're not even fine. Dude was in the movie for way
too long. I liked him.
I liked his character in the movie.
Did you? Think he was a good villain?
Bear Claw, I thought. He was a great villain.
I really liked it. I liked that they were able to
connect the slime to him. I liked how they kind of set him
up and always talked about him like he was poison.
Stabbed, shot, hung, stretch, disemboweled, drawn and

(49:12):
quartered. Poison, stabbed, shot, hung,
stretch, disemboweled, drawn andquartered.
Goes I guess he wasn't too popular in the end, huh?
And he gun goes no, not exactly a man of the people.
Also known as Vigo the Cruel, Vigo the torture, Vigo the
despised and Vigo the Unholy. Is his character based unflad
The Impaler, like Vigo wasn't a real person right?

(49:35):
No, I don't think Vigo was a real person.
I mean, you know, I, I don't know, he kind of throws off a
Rasputin vibe to me because that's, that's kind of how they
said Rasputin went. Is like they had to like cut him
up in a because he was supposedly practicing dark magic
and things like that and they had to cut him up into pieces in
order to kill him kind of thing.Dang, so I.
Did hear that? There are.

(49:56):
Many things like with Rasputin. I remember just recently, my
last last semester of Western history, we had to learn about
rescue. And what I found very
interesting was there like, well, there are many times like
people thought he was dead and then he suddenly like came back
and it was like this whole thingof like, oh, he's he's still
alive. It's like, brother, this is

(50:17):
something like he just like to play peek a Boo.
Yeah, he's going to hide and seek.
Yeah, he had an entourage that went around and followed him and
helped him fake his death. It's like.
Desperado or whatever, Yeah. Dan, what'd you think of Vigo?
Did you like him as a bad guy? I.
Did I liked him as a bad guy? He's got this very very
intimidating face. Also got some Buffalo Bill vibes

(50:41):
from him from Silence of the Lambs as well.
He even though he. Was in a spoof of Silence of the
Lambs. That actor was in a.
Spoof of. That's that's awesome.
That was called Silence of the Hams.
Gotta lick this up, gotta find it.
But. To your guys point, I do like I
didn't think about it like this before, but like with the

(51:03):
picture and and the eyes following you like that is a
creepy thing. I never thought of like a
portrait in that manner until you mentioned it.
And yeah, I could see that beingscary.
The thing in the movie that got me with the Vigo was when he did
possess Ray and Ray turns around.
Yeah. And he has that like that was
demon face kind of thing. Yeah, that was.

(51:24):
The thing that got me as a younger, younger person I was.
Worried for Ray. I was like, not Ray.
Ray's gone. What scared me too as a kid and
I forgot about it and then watching it now was when they
have those pictures and they're developing.
And that was another that I would say is the most horror
element of the entire movie because there's this actual

(51:47):
stakes in seriousness in that moment where like 2 of the main
characters could actually perish, right?
Yeah. At no other point do I ever feel
that the main characters are ever threatened.
Yeah, are ever in danger. Yeah, I want to save.
Them Winston, I want to get yourthoughts.
On the music, because pretty iconically in this movie, Ray

(52:08):
Parker Junior's awesome Ghostbusters theme is redone for
this, and it's a collab with RunDMC, which I thought was pretty
cool. A little updated fresh coat of
paint. Right on the yeah.
Yeah. This music was.
Bumping bro yeah this music was bumping I was I was having so
much fun just like waiting for another like new like song they.

(52:30):
Really went all out and trying to grab every single element of
pop culture that was popular in in the moment for the this movie
as well like you can't you can argue that that is also
attributed to so much of its success it's.
Iconic. It really is iconic.
Like, it grasps at everything and it doesn't, like, stray from
its path. Yeah.

(52:52):
And Bobby Brown did the main newtheme which was called On Our
Own and played over the ending there.
Bobby Brown not a great person, but he he wanted to be
affiliated with this movie. He plays a cameo as the mares
like Doorman but. I still can't believe this movie
got so low. Only a 56% of Metacritic that.

(53:15):
Makes sense. It's a sequel and it's also
like, it's been a while. It's like 1989.
Like it's, it's different with that kind of thing.
Yeah. Just didn't hit people right.
They don't understand cinema. One last thing, on Bobby Brown's
song, there's a music video he did around this time.
Oh, man. It has the weirdest group of
people. OK in his music video.

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Really. It's got no, no, no.
It's close, though. It has Donald Trump, it has Rick
Moranis, it has Joey Ramone of the Ramones.
What the hell? It has Christopher Reeve only a
few years before he was paralyzed.
Everybody wanted to get in, right?
So it's like. A Hands Across America moment it

(53:59):
was. Like whoever like was associated
like with New York and come on down, you know?
But it is like you said, Dan, it's a very pop culture centric.
Yeah. To the ending Statue of Liberty,
Yeah. Comes.
Coming in with the Ghostbuster costume, they just so
conveniently had, you know what we didn't talk about Lewis,

(54:21):
played by Rick Moranis. Genius.
I thought it was a great role. He's.
Great. Yeah.
Cinema, Dad Cinema and. He hooks up with Janine.
He hey, Danny has been very unlucky in these movies.
He finally meets the right womanwhen it comes to Jeanine, and he
gets to be a hero, too. Yeah, he take the slime comes
off because he's finally steppedup to the mantle of the hero.

(54:44):
Ghostbusters. It'd be incredible if they did a
third one and he was ended up being the mayor.
Like a very. After baseballs, too, they're
gonna make Ghostbusters 17. Oh, my goodness.
Rick Moranis returns. I loved his role in this.
And Janine, too. Like, I thought their chemistry
was really good. I'm kind of sad there was no

(55:06):
third movie that we could have got there.
Like, natural progression of things and.
And I'm fun. Yeah.
I mean, I'm good too. I'm good.
The hell was nothing. OK, I gotta talk about that.
Why the hell are you so into Lewis and Janine?
I, I I was fine with it. I didn't think it needed.
No, I just think they're good. Like side characters.
They were. Yeah.
And. They did exactly what the good.

(55:27):
Character in the first I. Wouldn't want more I think.
I definitely. Had a glow up in this movie
though. Oh.
Yeah, she looks pretty good. She's pretty forward too.
I. Think motherhood's a very
natural instinct. I like a child myself.
Would you? Oh yeah, you want kids?
They were looking like, I think she.
Had to lay it on thick form, right?

(55:47):
You're right. She had to guide them a little
bit. They they kind of work together
in a sense. So like if you're dating someone
you work with, you don't want their shit to fail.
So like, you get that good to get all the good to get all that
shit out there in the beginning.Do you want kids?
That's true. So we get the Statue of Liberty.

(56:08):
They have it come to life, right?
And we're gonna get everybody and.
Positive goodwill, positive brace the car, spray the the
positive goo on the inside of itjust.
Positive. Ectoplasmic I mean, and like,
you know, you could say things like how did they know it would
work like that? How did they think that's?
OK. When I talked.
About no one's asking questions,how they talked.

(56:30):
About it they're like what brings people together like a
mascot of everybody work is kindof like together a mascot of
like true New York Statue of Liberty we.
Need something that everyone in this town can get behind?
We need. A.
Symbol. Something that appeals to the

(56:50):
best in each and every one of us.
I. Mask on New York.
I loved Bill Murray kind of doing his like stand up stuff
too, like. Yeah, he's.
Like statue, how are you doing tonight?
I like how when they first arrived, he's like, oh man,
haven't you ever wanted to look up that she's wearing nothing?
Yeah. Under the skirt.

(57:10):
Whether? She's naked under that toga.
She's French, you know that she's.
French. She is French.
I thought the coolest scene as akid was when they came from the,
the, the roof. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was such a cool visual for.Sure.
And they're all four of them arelooking out from the crown.
I thought that's almost as. Cool as Batman coming down from
and saving Vicki Vale because that's one of the coolest scenes

(57:32):
of all time. They did.
It a month earlier, yeah. And then a couple years later
Spider Man 2002 came out and then you know, him saving MJ and
a boss full of children. Also about New York positivity,
see, there's a there's a golden lining to that.
Everybody really wants New York to stop being assholes, but
unfortunately they root for the Knicks and The Jets.

(57:55):
Dang, if The Jets were in this too.
Dan, you must like that. Well.
They use The Jets sweatshirt as a diaper.
Thanks, Kevin. At least at least you know my
team's featured in a movie, unlike the Miami Dolphins ace
Ventura ace. Ventura Ankle.

(58:19):
Oh man, I. Have no comment.
I like this though at the end because.
Finkel I'm hurt. Dude when he's running.
And he looks at the ring, God damn it, and he's in the star.
He. Presents himself and to get

(58:41):
punched in the face. That is a great movie.
Oh, yes, it is. Yeah.
I mean, this I liked because we got Vigo outside the painting,
and he's like, Oh yeah, part of his thing, too, is he's a
sorcerer, right? So he has mystical power.
Oh yeah. I mean like death is but a
doorway time, but a window I will return like just.
Before his head died, his last words were Death is but a door.

(59:05):
Time is but a window. I'll be back.
He he must have some kind of dark powers and being able to
funnel the negativity and the ooze and, and it's kind of part
of the lore that like ghosts can't like interact with the
world unless they and they leaveectoplasm because like the
ectoplasm is. He.

(59:27):
Did grab a toplasm. Ectoplasm.
Ectoplasm. Ectoplasm.
Ectoplastic force, Say that again, I don't know, because
they grabbed the woman by her legs.
The brothers there, they grabbedthat woman well.
If you were to look at her leg it would probably have goo all
over it because that's how ghosts interact physically with
the world is ectoplasm. Again, I mean, this to me was

(59:48):
kind of horror because you're afraid for the little baby too.
Like when he had oh. Yeah, Oscar.
Yeah, Oscar. Baby stupid name Oscar was not a
good name, but you're named after hot dog name.
Is Oscar. Named.
After a hot. Dog, you poor man, that.
Child went through a lot of abuse.
Where's your dad? I thought Bill Murray too.

(01:00:10):
I was saying this before we was berating the little kid.
I didn't get the joke like. When he was like is.
His dad a well no, no, she was like, I'm going to put him down
and he was like, do you mind if I do it?
He. Was.
Like your belly button sticks out too far?
You're. Short your belly button sticks
out too far and you're a terrible burden on your poor

(01:00:30):
mother. I'm like dude.
I didn't mean that. Yeah, I got.
I caught that Kevin and I were talking before we started.
This was the only time that I caught that too.
Was was that that joke? I.
Like how he's making fun of the dad too all the time.
He's like, is his dad like, well, his?
Dad was in the previous movie, was he well?

(01:00:50):
Yeah. Was he in?
The university right her. Companion there.
When Venkman first started, I didn't know that.
Yeah, that that's him. And they broke up and then she
got back together with him. I didn't.
Know and. Then that's Oscar's father, and
then he went off and you. Know did something and.
Left Socorny Weaver. What a fool I.
Do like this though at the end Peter kind of berating Vigo

(01:01:14):
there I have. Met some dumb.
Blinds. In my life.
But you take the Taco, pal. Oh yeah.
He couldn't move, so he's like one last stitch effort to.
To Oh yeah. Well, I mean, Venkman, that's
one of the things I love about Venkman is he's kind of like
myself in that he'll just talk. Even if he's completely beaten,
he'll just keep talking. Shit, he's like very, Yeah,

(01:01:35):
he's. A.
Similar mindset. I would too.
Yeah. I love it.
Like you're going to go out. You're going out on your sword
or going. Out on my terms.
So then the positivity takes over, right?
We get that. Goop, Yeah, so.
We get the. He gets back into the painting.

(01:01:55):
They. Goop him back into the painting.
And then like Dan was saying earlier, he kind of possesses
Ray at the very end to try to, yeah, yeah, take him over.
But it doesn't work because theybring out they.
Douse him, yeah. And then they douse Yanov there
with the Yanov. Yeah, Janos, Janos.

(01:02:16):
I love how people when they wakeup from the goop, they're like,
oh, he'll be fine. He's going to wake up feeling
like 1,000,000 bucks and he wakes up and I love you guys.
I. Love you.
Yes, Yeah. Well.
I love you too. Dan Aykroyd too, Ray, he wakes
up. I love that interaction he has

(01:02:37):
with Janos I. Love you man, I love you too.
And then we get the painting of them with a baby Oscar banger
that's like the Kramer. I wonder who has that painting.
It has to exist. Phil Murray, I guarantee you.
Bill Murray or Dan? Aykroyd has that.
Check the eBay later on. We're still already Weaver.

(01:02:59):
She has that. Oh my goodness.
Like we said, this kind of is the same formula as the first
one a lot. But I don't know, it's such a
good formula. And it ends just like boom.
And they have like a little ending montage over the ending
credits there. But pretty much as soon as they
step out of that. Is it a museum that they're?
Yeah, it's a museum. Yeah.

(01:03:20):
It's has such good pacing and doesn't overdo itself.
It doesn't overstay its Wellness.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think that's, that's why it makes itself so like, well
known is because of. It's just it's just entertaining
and it knows what it is. It's not trying to be anything.
All right. Are we on the conspiracy corner?
Yeah. All right, who's got

(01:03:45):
conspiracies? I've got some, I'll kind of open
this up. How does death work in this
world? Like, how do you come back as a
ghost? Do you come back as a ghost of
your good, bad or otherwise? I mean, I guess it's not a
conspiracy, but it's just like, and it's one of those things you
can't think about too much. But I mean, it's kind of
philosophical horror because like you've pretty much proven
dualism. There is a soul.

(01:04:06):
So if there is a soul, like how does that work?
And where you know, do you assess then do you go down below
the new? Ghostbusters bring it up because
they bring back and. They explain it like they do
like every stupid movie. Like nowadays, there can't be
any mystery they need you need to spoon feed audiences
everything they. Brought back Egon there.
Oh, they. Did OK.
So yeah, so that was my one. But the bigger one that I want

(01:04:27):
to talk about here is, is that Ghostbusters is kind of a very
80s themed movie in the sense that it's very anti government,
pro privatization. And you see that in the first
one especially. And you see it in the second one
even more because the Ghostbusters are not only
fighting these supernatural entities, they're also fighting

(01:04:48):
the bureaucracy of the government.
And they kind of prove like a point like, Oh, well, private
can do it better because, you know, we can act faster and, and
things like that. Even in just like they take over
a Firehouse, a public service that they then take over and
become the and turn into the Ghostbusters house.
And then, you know, then the first movie they're fighting

(01:05:09):
against Walter Peck, who's the EPA who honestly brings some
very valid concerns to, to, to the thing about them having
unlicensed nuclear reactors on their backs in the middle of
downtown Manhattan. They have this containment unit.
Who the fuck knows how that runsand what happens when that
breaks. Like, what's the, you know, but
he's seen as like being an asshole, but he's being a really

(01:05:32):
responsible, He's kind of a goodguy of that movie because he's
like, I'm being a responsible civil servant here.
Like who the fuck knows what this technology could blow up or
could cause a nuclear disaster in the middle of downtown
Manhattan. Actually, if you.
Cross the streams especially. If you cross the streams, but
like that whole time he's seen as like the bad guy.
And then in the second movie, there's huge themes of this is

(01:05:54):
they're sued, did this huge public good kind of thing and
they're sued into into the ground because, you know, we see
them when they're first there and they're kind of not really a
heroic, heroic place because they're because of the
bureaucracy eventually ate them up.
They didn't start ghost busting again until they got the court's
permission to do so. When the court realized that

(01:06:16):
they they needed legal permission to bust, they they
didn't same. And you know, and they're still
they were committed. They're still fighting with City
Hall. But it's all this narrative of
like a private company should beable to work above the
bureaucracy and get the. Good guys.
Something good, Yeah. Let the good guys do good work
without any government oversightor anything like that, which is

(01:06:38):
a very 80s message me, but it itreally is a big theme of these
movies. It's a.
Big movie of every every kind ofmovie.
Like, it is that kind of you need the right to kind of I I
don't like that when a government tells a superhero,
like, what to do, like, just letthem do their.
Yeah. But at the same time, you know.
Yeah. But at the same time, you kind

(01:06:59):
of have people just going off and doing stuff, you know, like,
yeah, you can't. You can't have Elon Musk decide
to dress like a bat and then go beat up people on the street.
I don't know about that. To see him.
I mean, we would all love to seeit.
I hate. To say it, bear claw, but this
is a very adult thing to think about now because when you were
a kid, right, did you think about that like now?

(01:07:20):
That I'm an adult. I'm kind of like, well, hold on,
guys. Did we really?
You know, there's a reason that there's OSHA and things like
that. There's a reason for those
things, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Boston makes me feel
that's makes. Me feel good.
That's the difference between the Marvel movies, because it's
like in the Marvel movies, it's like, well, who the hell else is
going to stop like Thanos and shakes well.

(01:07:41):
In the Marvel movies, they try and do something about it both
in the Civil War and in Iron Man2 there when they bring him in
front of the senators there and they have that indictment of him
he did in. Thunderbolts too.
And then they do, they do in every movie where they're trying
to get it out there that like, you know, they need help.
But it's like, at the same time,because the big thing now with
Marvel is they're trying to get a new Avengers team.

(01:08:04):
Like the government themselves want an Avengers team.
But we go back to 2016, and you guys were also trying to stop
The Avengers from doing things. That's what this is, too.
So that's like what this is. Yeah.
Like, you need them. They want them, but they don't
want to want. They don't want to need them.
That's the thing, yeah. But it's like the whole
narrative of like this entity coming in and doing what the

(01:08:27):
government can't and the government only works to stop it
and not, you know, and work withand not work with it.
And you know, they don't want and government, big government
bad and private good, which has worked out great for our
healthcare so. Any other conspiracies?
God damn bear I have. A conspiracy.
So really this is based on a true story.

(01:08:49):
Like legit true crime stuff. So the girl that was given the
puppy in the experiment ended upterrified of dogs and died quite
mysteriously in her adult life. So this.
Was Ivan's Yeah, daughter Yeah, the.
Story goes that she ended up going to College in
Philadelphia. She meets this guy Dennis, who

(01:09:09):
owns a bar with friends. She falls.
Oh my God, they. Wed.
He breaks her heart and wants a divorce.
It unlocks that repressed dog trauma because Freud and she
begins to manifest an alternative identity known as
the basket cat. She wears cat eye contact lenses

(01:09:31):
and uses a litter box, and she even gives herself baths.
It's unclear how she died, but was found in an alleyway like a
proper stray is. That the same for girl some.
Say that Dennis murdered her. Some say she truly believed she
had 9 lives. Her name was Marine Marine
Ponderosa, and yes, Reitman's daughter is Marine Ponderosa.

(01:09:55):
And it's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I am impressed. That is excellent.
Thank. You thank you was.
That the dentist system. She was in a lot of them.
She's a recurring character theyeventually killed off.
You'd like. To be known as Bessette.
Was a bessette. I can't wait for the new season.

(01:10:18):
Danny DeVito is going to be on The Golden Bachelor.
That was awesome. I.
Love that. That's such great work.
Any other conspiracies? Good conspiracy.
I think we should end on that one.
Yeah, that was Bravo. Thank.
You. Thank you.
Thank you. It's time.
For hot takes, I have a quick one and this is going to be a
little controversial. I don't like ectoplasm.

(01:10:39):
I kind of do. OK.
OK. Yeah, well, get the hose.
I think that this should have been a franchise.
Hear me out. And I know this is not a popular
opinion, but it kind of is. Like, I know it turned into with
like all the other new Ghostbusters, but I'm talking
about the original. Yeah, the original cast here.

(01:11:00):
I think you could have made multiple movies and just kept
going with stories. And I know like, OK, well, that
would have been overdone. They're doing the same thing.
Overlay. Or something like that, these
movies. Are so fun like just a good time
like who cares like we talked about why?
Yeah, what? OK there.
Is a problem with that. I think there's a fair

(01:11:20):
comparison to make with other franchises and I think it's safe
to say yes, Ghostbusters would be a good franchise.
But we come to the problem now that we're all very aware of and
that's over saturation and that you do too much of a good thing
and the. Market was very saturated with
cartoons. Well, here's the.
Difference. Here's the difference between

(01:11:41):
back then and today. Back then, this movie was highly
criticized for being poorly written.
And, and I, I read a couple of articles from back then about
how they, this movie was really,it wasn't loved by the critics
and it was poorly criticized. So they all got felt really bad
about that. And, you know, instead of making
more, they were like, well, we gotta wait for the right

(01:12:02):
Ghostbusters script. And it kind of mothballed the
the franchise for a little whilethere, right.
Today they would have looked simply at it cost $40 million to
make it takes $200 million. We were going to turn out one of
these every other. Yeah.
For sure. Yeah, like that would have been
the beginning and end of that. Right.

(01:12:23):
Yeah, yeah. Just money wise, just money
wise, I wouldn't. Have given a shit.
They don't give a shit. Now about artistic.
I mean, case in point, Marvel. I'm sure they don't care about
well, I actually I shouldn't saythat.
I'm sure they care about that, but it's more of just, again, my

(01:12:43):
biggest problem with franchises is too much of a good thing is a
bad thing. And if you get too much of this,
then where does it stop? I got you.
But like, I'm fine with getting another one like this.
Like you could do a Ghostbusters3 and I'd be fine with that.
But like, I don't want it to seeit like, well, that that's The
thing is like it's never going to happen because they've gone

(01:13:04):
off and like it wouldn't. I don't want a Batman or Robin
situation. I mean, you wouldn't now, but
I'm just saying I wish there was.
I'm back. So in retrospect, any other hot
takes I. Have a hot take much like bear
claw. I kind of got thinking more
about this movie and I I totallyagree with your assessment.
I was spot on. I I see the same thing you were
talking about, but mine was moreor less like, all right, this is

(01:13:29):
a how do I 40 year old movie at this point 40 plus and I was
trying to think how do you bringit?
It's. Gonna be 40 how do you yeah
it's. Not 40 yet?
Well. Whatever it's, it's an it's,
it's an antiquated movie. Yes, I was thinking about how do
you bring it into 2025, Right? And the mood slime in
Ghostbusters 2 reminds me of social media.

(01:13:49):
It's innocuous and only reacts and according to what is
projected on it. Take for example, like the loss
of a beloved celebrity goes viral across Twitter.
That loss, it's felt collectively, it magnifies that
emotional reactivity in real time.
So like. Young's kind of collective
subconscious, Sure. Back to dream scenario yeah we

(01:14:13):
did oppress us no I really like that because I one of the
questions I asked myself throughout this movie is like
was this movie a little bit ahead of its time this is social
commentary kind of like what they were talking about it's a
social commentary and a lot of things that are popular during
this time like the government and social like but even today

(01:14:34):
like is it relevant today and like what Dan's saying like if
you look at the. Yeah, well, we.
Were just social media is like. A goo we.
Were just bringing up about likegovernment saying, you know,
like Ghostbusters, Like that's aproblem that we're talking about
right now. We're not like little kids
anymore. So we think about those sort of
things, like back when you're a kid, you don't give a shit.
You just want to see the Ghostbusters kicking ass.

(01:14:54):
Explosions. Yeah, you just want to see
Michael Bay type explosions. Yeah, when I was a kid, the
tones of the privatization and stuff kind of went over my head
because I was always, I was always so baffled, Like, why are
they giving the Ghostbusters such shit?
Like, they're, they're the good guys, you know?
But, well, even like when I'm older now, I'm like, yeah, OK.
And that's kind of hard. I understand.
Yeah, they're kind of assholes about it too, because they're

(01:15:16):
kind of being a little douchebagand.
Especially when they take out like how pissed would you be if
you're like, you just got home from work, you're about to sit
down and watch TV and like you've just been looking forward
to it all day, maybe playing you're you're a Nintendo.
And then the power goes out for the rest of the night because
some assholes decided to dig into a St.

(01:15:36):
No. Wi-Fi they had.
They had no right to. I'd be digging in into because
they thought they were ghosts under the city.
You'd be very upset, yeah. Social outcry would be crazy,
especially in New York. I have a hot take.
Actually, going off of your hot take, I don't think there should
have been another movie after this one.

(01:15:58):
Just two and done. No, no two and done unless we
had like what you were. Yeah, that didn't.
Happen you. Didn't like Lady Ghostbusters?
Oh no Oh my God I forgot about that holy shit.
I will like I willingly blanked it out I.
Didn't see it, so how did I forget about that?
Oh yeah, that's right. That's because I saw it and it

(01:16:21):
was shit. Chris Hemsworth Was Lewis the
Thing the. Thing about that movie is it had
such promise and I thought it I thought it could have been good,
but they really just took it offthe tracks.
I mean, it could have been a really good movie.
Here's my question, is it reallybad or is it because no, it's
bad? Male Ghostbusters.
No, female Ghostbusters doesn't bother me at all.

(01:16:42):
I think male. Doesn't it was fine I thought.
All of those actresses were pretty funny, with the exception
of the exception of Kristen Wiigbecause I've never really found
her particularly funny. But but I thought all the rest
of them were really good. Good.
But the script was the script was dog shared and then the plot
was dog shit as well. Like, yeah, really.
Bad it. Really, if they had stuck to the
formula and they had just done it with those comedians, I think

(01:17:04):
it's still it would have been good.
But I don't put that failure of that movie on them.
I put them on that, on the writers, almost.
Like going down the studio, thatwas like, hey, we need this.
We need this woman power. That's what it felt like.
It felt lazy. Like if you want to do a woman's
movie, do a woman's movie, but don't make it like a whole
thing. Like they made an Ocean's 11
reboot with like just women in it.

(01:17:25):
And I was like, that's cool. Now I watch a movie, I'm like,
oh, this feels like a cash. Yeah.
When you're when you're trying to capitalize on like the Me too
movement and things, I just thenit comes off not not the best.
It's not even just Ghostbusters 2016.
I think like Afterlife and the other one.
Like I just feel like it wasn't necessary.
I feel like I was it was alreadypassed done.
Like if you want to have Ghostbusters three, like if you

(01:17:48):
could go back in time and make that fine.
I want that, but it's just not the same.
I got you. I think it's hard to overcome
anyways because this cast is so legendary and these movies are
iconic. Like doing anything off of it,
it's tough. Yeah.
It's time for our Hall of Slain.Well, there are no Hall of Slain

(01:18:13):
I. Was like, did the DA die?
Was she killed? That was the only one I I don't.
Remember any deaths in this movie?
Yeah. Our Hollow Slain are characters
that have died in the movies that we review that would help
us get through and survive a horror movie because we are the
final girl. Are there any characters that
you would like to nominate from Ghost?
Nobody died, I. Got 1.

(01:18:35):
OK, this is a little. Caveat.
OK, let's bring Slimer in. Slimer.
You can have him bring his ACTO cooler.
Oh man. That's a loophole.
I like it. I.
Like it he's technically he technically died wouldn't.
You love to have him as our mascot.
That would be. A fantastic I'm hanging out with
Slimer you. Know we'd have to he would talk
about all the. Snacks so that would be kind of

(01:18:55):
a bummer but there is lore behind Slimer that he was like
some guy that stayed at that hotel and like he's a really fat
guy who loved eating and he likegets choked on a hot dog or
something and then well we. Brought in Ethel from Friday the
13th, part 5. She's got that Stew.
I mean very. Slimer could.
We bring any gun he. Didn't die in this movie.

(01:19:18):
Caveat. Yeah, that's a big his
character. Technically, yeah, but not from
this move. You got to go off of this.
I just want him in our whole sling.
He'd be like the Best Song. Give him to me, yeah.
I mean he definitely have the most utility, but yeah, no, I'd
I'd second Slimer. Anyone else?
Third. Yeah.
Yeah. 4th. Unanimous.
Unanimous. Unanimous.

(01:19:39):
Unanimous first. You say sorcerer?
I don't pronounce things right. Gavel sound welcome, Slimer.
Yeah. Ethel, get the Stew going.
Yes. Sir Frog.
Brothers, get in there. It's time for a hook, line and
stinker. Our hook is our favorite kill of

(01:20:03):
the movie, our line is our favorite line or quote in the
movie, and our stinker is something funny, awful or weird
that happens that makes the movie either better or worse.
I don't have a hook because there was really no deaths that.
You could. Say in this my line do re.

(01:20:26):
Just. Actually looking at the camera.
Badass bro, you knew what he wasdoing.
I love it. I feel like their reaction was
pretty spontaneous. And really, yeah.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles where he was like bossa Nova for
sure. My stinker is Yanosh, just his

(01:20:46):
character but I'm saying this asa good thing that makes it
better. Everything this guy says is so
good. Soon the city will be mine and
Vigos. Mainly Vigos.
Soon. It will be midnight and the city
will be mine and Vigos and mainly Vigos.
Everything you are doing is bad.I want you to know this.

(01:21:10):
Everything you're doing is bad. I want you to know this.
That's one of the funniest lies.He's just.
Logging around, he's like, you're what you're doing is
shit. I just, you know, here's an
interesting question about that character.
Do you guys think he was a bad guy?
Yeah. Like at heart, Yeah.
Or do you think he was just possessed?
I think. He had some bad intentions, like
because he was kind of coming onto like he was touching.

(01:21:32):
He was a little creepy. Creepy.
OK, Yeah, I don't. Know if he was bad, but he was,
he was creepy. He didn't he didn't doubt it for
a second. He's like, OK, I'll guess I'll
help you. Now kill a baby and take this
woman. No.
He. They doubt it, He.
Said a child. And then he got zapped in the
face. Lightning and.
Then my favorite was why am I drippings with goo?

(01:21:53):
Oh my goodness, Dan, how about you as you?
Mentioned there really are no hooks in this movie, but there
are lines for days, Yes, yeah. Name. 40 As you have mentioned
before, I'm not a Dana guy. I'm more of a Janine guy.
And my line is well, how's Oscar?
Oh. He's fine, such a good baby.

(01:22:13):
He was a little fussy at 1st andwe just gave him some French bed
pizza. Passed right out.
Passed right out like I that entire scene like when Dana
walks through the door from there on in eyes like the
funniest elements of this movie like the side characters Lewis
and and Janine hooking up and Lewis getting all frantic and

(01:22:37):
worried that he just got busted I love.
His hair and his. Hair is all fucking.
Up and and like Janine, who's just completely fucking stone
faced, I think might actually behalf in the bag and her makeup's
all fucking. Up just says.
It with like such a straight. Oh my goodness.
Perfect. I Janine's my favorite.
I I hear you. She.

(01:22:58):
Wanted to ride his Schwartz. Swords is strong my.
Stinker is the toaster scene. I love Bill Murray and I found
his reactions to the toaster to be especially painful.
I don't think it's his fault though.
They had to react to a fucking toaster.
Ain't nobody getting that shit over, pal.
Yeah. Even Bill Murray with his

(01:23:20):
working boots on. Oh my goodness, Bear Claw.
How about you Hook? The only thing I had was this DA
live when she's taken out by theScolari brothers.
I saw like a behind the scenes where she's like laying in the
hallway, but like, I don't really know, yeah.
Nobody knows. Yeah, we'll take it.
We assume she lives. So there's really not a live The
line is because one of my favorite scenes of this whole

(01:23:42):
movie is the courtroom scene because that just really is it.
It just really sets this movie apart for me from the previous
movie because this does follow the same notes as the previous
movie for the most part. But I found the courtroom scene
to be kind of a unique scene in the movie.
And and I really thought it was good.
But and and I really loved JudgeWexler there.
And and my favorite line is whenhe goes the Scolari brothers,

(01:24:05):
when they when they kind of all have gone off in the sky, the
Scolari brothers, Ray says frenzy years and he goes.
I tried to promote her. The chair, you gotta do
something. Why?
Don't you just tell them you? Don't believe in ghosts.
Why don't you just tell them youdon't believe in ghosts?
I like as soon as it says that the table floats up, they're
like my. Only stinker is is I love this

(01:24:29):
movie. I think it's a great comedy
movie. I think it's fantastic.
I just it's not a horror movie, though.
That would be my stinker is it's, it's like on the, I guess
you could very tangentially callit a horror movie, but it's, I
don't know, there's nothing particularly terrifying.
There are some scary scenes, butthat would be kind of my
stinker. Logan.
OK, here we go. My hook is Louis's virginity.

(01:24:59):
That is murder in this. What you need, my line is I
literally have like 40 written down, but I'm going to be kind
to Nathan. I'm going to have my two.
I'm a voter you. Know I'm a voter.
Aren't you supposed to lie to meand kiss my butt?
Aren't you? Supposed to lie to me and kiss
my butt and then the other one is I like that.

(01:25:20):
Would you get a stool specimen? Would you get a stool specimen
please? Business or personal?
Business or personal? I.
Did have the dough, right? You got written down, too.
But like, come on. And then my stinker is Giannis.
And every time he talked, I thought, like, it's a good
stinker. I just.

(01:25:40):
Yeah, he's all weird, for sure. Sometimes our stinker makes the
movie better. Yeah.
Any honorable mentions? Oh yeah.
Being miserable and treating people like dirt is every New
Yorker's God-given right? Damn right. 1.
More Lord Vigo, I was wondering if.
I. Was to have bring the baby could

(01:26:04):
I have that woman can. I have the woman.
Fine, he was like as you wish. And then?
And then Beagle was like she. Will be my mother and.
You. Will be your wife.
What the fuck she will be. Ours she will be.
You're sharing my. Mother and you'll.
Be one big happy, yeah. This is like.

(01:26:26):
Taking notes. He's like, OK, wait a minute Now
hang on here. You said she is your mother, but
she's my wife. So like, do you get her on like
the weekends or do you get her like on the weekday?
That means that means Yanu or she says daddy don't.
Call me Daddy. You're not.
I'm not into that. You're.
Not my father. I refuse used to call.

(01:26:48):
My honourable mention is, and I don't know if this is a stinker,
it makes it better is when Venkman, Peter Venkman's
berating Vigo, the painting there, yeah.
It was like a bit. Of a Sissy, isn't he?
And then he's like. Carpathian kitten lost.
He's missed his kitten. We'll just put one in here by
the cast. We don't go.
Around we'll. Just paint. 1.

(01:27:12):
He's losing his smile like. We'll just go ahead and put one
right here. Can you?
Imagine if he did it. He.
Goes got to come back with a little kitten.
Face Oh my God all right it's time for our final rating
they're. Going to rain the movie.
Well will they rain the movie? The killer is great, the victim

(01:27:35):
suck. Sister Butter is in between what
was. That.
Our final rating system is Killer, it's our highest rating,
it's awesome, we would highly recommend and it is a must
watch. Survivor is our middle tier, it
was a good movie we would probably recommend and has some

(01:27:56):
rewatch ability. Finally, The Dreided Victim it's
our lowest rating, it's a bad movie we do not recommend and
has no rewatch ability. For me, Ghostbusters Two, I'm
rating a Survivor. This is a high end survivor for
me because I I do think that this is a fun, fun, fun watch.
Yeah. Like, it still does have some

(01:28:17):
terrifying moments. For me, it was kind of like
riding a bike once I watched this again and like seeing all
the different scenes like the courtroom and and Vigo and
things like that. But I mean, I will say that for
a sequel, I think this is one ofthe better ones.
And I know it follows the same formula, but you know what?
Sometimes it's OK to follow. Yeah.

(01:28:38):
You know, like, I think a lot of, like, especially newer
movies feel like they have to subvert expectations all the
time, which is kind of becoming,like, formulaic.
Yeah. So it's kind of refreshing just
to see something that's fun and done well.
And, you know, like Logan said, they all seem like they're
having a blast working with eachother.
And it it comes across in this movie.

(01:29:00):
Is it horror? It's probably not like horror
per SE, but I would definitely recommend it if you haven't seen
it. Dan, how about you?
I'll. Be short and pointless on this
one. Just like Lewis.
Hey boy, into a dog. And they stopped that, so that
was good. They're good people.

(01:29:21):
They helped me get out of being a dogs.
One time I turned into a dog andthey helped me the.
Judge. Hell.
Like Steve Harvard, your action.Ghostbusters 2 for me is a
survivor. It's a highly entertaining
movie. However, I just again, I don't
find it to be a horror movie. I look at it in the same vein as
like Logan was saying art and that the horror element in this

(01:29:43):
is more of an accent color to the bigger composition of the
picture which isn't horror related.
So that's to me is my justification for not calling it
a horror movie. It just feels more accented than
like the main focus and just in that like I can't rate it any
higher than that for this being our platform.

(01:30:03):
But I absolutely love the movie,enjoyed it, enjoy talking with
you guys about it, definitely recommend it and I'll probably
be watching it again for. Sure, bear claw.
Yeah, I. Mean great movie overall.
Again, I can't give it a killer only because it's not essential
horror viewing. It's not.
It doesn't teach us anything about the horror genre.
I mean, so it's a survivor for me.

(01:30:25):
It's a fun movie. It's a good time.
I'd watch it. I'd watch it right next to Back
to the Future and The Goonies and ET and Jaws and all all that
stuff. But it's a survivor.
That's for the revenge right up there.
Logan. How about you?
I don't know about you, but I thought it taught me something.
Never have kids. Because that that that first

(01:30:47):
scene. Busting, but not too much
busting. It makes me feel good.
Too much, I could play yourself some problem.
Even that's too much bear color.I gotta say, for me, this is
cinema killer. Yeah, Logan's gonna kill her.

(01:31:07):
Yeah, it's been a while. Ring the.
Bell not a real horror movie. Ring the bell.
Ring the bell. Ding.
Dong the witch is dead. I think this is a great movie.
I thought it was like on the same part as the original.
Just good, entertaining fun. It's like being back in this
world. Like just the most fun I've had

(01:31:29):
out of a movie in a long time. I've seen a lot of good movies
recently. I think like in the last year,
especially like in especially last year with like my trying to
like watch every movie. I think this is the first movie
that I've actually sat down and been like, I just really enjoy
it. Like I just really like being in
this kind of world again. It was just, it was just good,

(01:31:51):
mindless fun. Awesome.
Happy that you had that for sure.
Screw me, I. Was being serious.
Oh. OK.
I don't trust you guys. I was not Nathan, Our producer
gave his rating, and he said Ghostbusters 2 does everything

(01:32:12):
that Ghostbusters one does, but not nearly as well.
The result is a movie that is funny and entertaining, but not
special like the first one. Survivor.
I'll take it. Yeah.
We also asked you, our audience,what your thoughts were on
Ghostbusters 2. So let's check our Instagram at
miles dot of dot madness 321 ghost pod killer.

(01:32:35):
We are huge fans of Ghostbustersand Ghostbusters too.
Logie got another killer with you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Join the party. My little slice of hell.
It's a great sequel that brings me back to my youth.
Yeah, it brought us back, too. Bring back that.
Acto I mean. Not a good one I see.

(01:32:55):
Harley Quinn 1913. I thought it was funny and still
awesome to watch for sure. Kate 45678.
I can't really remember much about this other than the Bobby
Brown song. Eek.
We'll have to rewatch. Yeah, Kate, rewatch this one.
It's worth it, even though BobbyBrowns kind of a jerk.

(01:33:16):
I mean, this is a kind of a little bit from the Geek
Collector 15. So much fun from Natalie under
score. May under score.
This movie is a killer. Absolutely classic.
Another killer from James Shannon Morant.
I don't get the hate for this movie.
Yeah, James, I'll do. Yeah.

(01:33:37):
Yeah, I don't get that from Dissect that film pod.
I'll make this short and sweet. It's not as bad as people say it
is. The magic of Ghostbusters oozes
out from. I like that one oozes out from
this one, pun intended. Yan Ush is great and the core 4
still brings it. The ending may not be as
explosive as the original, but still packs a punch and I love

(01:34:00):
it. We love those comments, thank
you so much. We really appreciate hearing
what you guys think of these movies.
I love. I love hearing the word ooze.
It makes me it makes me want to watch more teenage minion
turtles. Turtles in time.
Oh God. Well, before we end the episode,
we want to embrace the madness and let you all know what we've

(01:34:21):
been up to. I watched From Dusk till Dawn
this week. First straitjacket talk.
I got to rewatch that movie. That's one of my that's that's
such a good movie. Yeah, it's awesome.
If you haven't seen it, I'm not going to give you any spoilers
because you got to go into this like we talk about in our review
without knowing anything becauseyou don't know anything.

(01:34:44):
There's George. Clooney has not taken a role
like that anymore. I.
Know you know what George Clooney so good in this Good.
Movie. He's great in that movie.
There's no, no, no arguing. Quentin Tarantino wrote it.
Robert Rodriguez directed it. I mean, it's really it's a bang
or my. Salma.
Hayek Oh my goodness. Cinema that's.

(01:35:05):
That's cinema. Cinema.
That's it for me. How about you, Dan?
I have been catching this show on YouTube.
It's kind of like broken down into clips, but it's very
important. People with Victoria Michaelis.
Oh. I love that show.
It's. It's yeah.
Yeah, I've heard of that. It's.
Ridiculous. They get these comedians to

(01:35:25):
dress up in these wacky costumesand then they and then we've
gotten. Some big name comedians as of
like, because originally it was just kind of the drop out.
True. Yeah, but they've gotten like
Josh Gad on there. They got Paul Thomas Anderson
was on there. Vic Michaelis is one of the
funniest modern comedians of ourtime.
Yeah. Definitely give her give her a

(01:35:46):
look if you're on the YouTube. And then the other show that I
actually started getting into now that I had access to it is
the Succession show. Oh yeah, that's.
A mind love. That show I.
Just I'm about 3 episodes in andI'm gonna continue the the
journey into who ends up on top of the Empire by the end of it

(01:36:09):
just. The theme song.
Just every theme. Song is so fucking.
Bad I I that's all those shows. I watched it.
I I was late to all of the seasons were out when I started
watching watching it and and I'dnever fast forwarded through the
intro of that show. I always watch the intro and
there's clues in the intro too. Oh, I'm.
Gonna have to pay attention now.Really pay attention to that

(01:36:30):
intro then. Thank you for pointing that out.
Eric Law, how about you? I.
Have been actually watching a new show myself.
I started watching Murderbot, which is Alexander Skarsgard.
I really like his stuff, also inSuccession.
But Alexander Skarsgard I reallylike his stuff and Murderbot is
really good. I guess it's based on a book I
didn't read, but yeah, I'm told the book is pretty good too.

(01:36:51):
But the show is is very entertaining.
It's light sci-fi, so it's like it's not too heavy-handed and
I've been really enjoying it. It's only got about like 6 or 7
episodes out now, but it's fun. It's a fun show.
I'm really excited to see the new Shutter movie that's out
Ash, but I haven't had a chance to catch that yet.
But that, that looks amazing andI can't wait.

(01:37:12):
I don't know precisely and I've kind of kept myself away from
summary of it. I guess it's about astronauts
that are stranded on a a planet,then there's some type of alien
entity. But that's really all I've
gotten from it. Awesome.
I like Skarsgard there, he's oneof my favorites in the Northman.
Yeah, he's really fantastic in that in that movie as well.
Yeah. And we'll be coming up on the

(01:37:35):
first weekend of the month. So we have shutter the last
driving with Joe Bob Briggs. So definitely check that out.
It's really good. Yeah, I.
Watch those, Those are fantastic, Logan.
How about you? I've been obviously pretty
involved in like newer kind of things, so of course had to
check out my favorite show of all time, The Bear season 4.

(01:37:57):
Watched it within like 24 hours.Logan's been binge.
I binge watch pretty much 7 episodes in one night because
they're like 30 minutes and thenlike one hour long episode.
But I just broke it up like 30 minutes last night, 30 minutes
this morning, and then finished it this morning.
Cinema really good. I thought it was like the best

(01:38:18):
season since like season 1. I like.
The meme where people are like when you add extra cheese to
your microwave pizza and it shows a picture of the main
character that Jeremy. Onway, yeah.
I thought what I really like about the show, everyone loves
it so much that there are literally celebrities that are
like, bring me on. I wanna be a part of this.

(01:38:40):
Like John Cena. Brie Larson came in this season.
John Mulaney, who I love. I love John Mulaney.
He's one of my favorite comedians.
So him being included, like in the main family is so cool to
me. I think what I really like about
the Bears is the characters themselves.
And each season just becomes more and more hectic with new,
new stuff being thrown at them. And it's just like, it's so

(01:39:02):
good, like character study, kindof like throughout the show,
like how they change and how they develop and kind of how
they grow. And then the other thing is, I
did just purchase the Nintendo Switch tube and playing a lot of
Mario Kart World get my ass kicked online.
It's not that ain't fun, but it is really fun, isn't it?
Wild that that game's only been out for like two or three weeks

(01:39:24):
and you're getting your ass handed to you.
Yeah, I got like there's. People that are already good,
well. I mean, it's not different than
any other Mario Kart game, really.
It's pretty much the same game except new maps.
Yeah, you. Got to learn how to drift, yeah.
Oh. I know how to drift.
I've been drift. Like the pit hit the right, you
know, I'm saying the courses andall that good shit.
Don't worry, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be world champion by.

(01:39:46):
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now at Miles of Madness. Finally, we have our e-mail
address right to Bear Claw at the Padded room@outlook.com and
let him know What's your favorite Ghostbusters movie?
Yeah, let. Me know, is it the first one
your favorite or you know, I have heard then I watched the

(01:40:29):
latest one. It's actually pretty good.
So you know, I think there's a case to be made for some of the
newer Ghostbusters movies as well.
I'm not willing to disavow them like maybe some of the later
Indiana Jones entries, but. Well, that does it for our
review on Ghostbusters 2, but we'll be back soon with a new
episode and grab your Jinkos andred New York Yankees hat.

(01:40:54):
We're heading back to the late 90s and early 2000s.
It will be the start of the Summer of Madness 2025 as we
review. I know what you did last summer.
That will be razor, but until then, back to the padded room
with you. Hey guys.
So I know we had like a great time.

(01:41:14):
I I well, at least you guys did showing off your pets Dan your
your cat is freaking me the hellout.
I gotta I'm just going to look away.
Even Vigo's creeping. You know I'm just going to look
forward. You know what, guys?
I think my pets. Feeling a little bit more, feel
more calm to show themselves. So you know what?
I'm going to introduce them to you guys.
OK, Come on in Statue. Oh my.

(01:41:35):
God, what? The hell you just scared Michael
Chiklis out of my. Arms.
Come on in, boy. Oh my God.
Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Watch the structure. Can't do not go anywhere near
Vigo Michael Chiklis. Vigo, Oh my God, the roof's
collapsing. We got to get out of here.
Quick. Oh my goodness.

(01:41:56):
Michael Chiklis. Get.
Over here, no. Vigo.
Vigo.

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