40. I Know What You Did Last Summer

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Oh man. Well, we're on the road again
here, Logan, your Statue of Liberty pet destroyed.
Wasn't my fault in. The Doom.
Got a little too excited. Well, thankfully for
renovations, we're on our way tothe mad.
Been in the woods, Bear claw. You had to bring Vigo, huh?
Yeah, I had to bring Vigo. He's part of the family.
You know, there's one in every family, but he's still part of

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the family. Don't mind the goose.
I hate Vigo. But don't worry guys, you know,
we're going to the Mavin. We're taking this road trip.
You got bear claw behind the wheel.
They also, you know, sometimes they call me the wheel man.
Come on, damn it, damn it, I cannot get Bear Claws Jams 09 to
work on this piece of crap CD I.Burned that CD special for this

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road. Trip, we've got the the cassette
adapter. It's a skip resistance.
It should be working. I don't understand why we can't
get bear claw jams 09 going. That's a bummer, but don't don't
worry guys. At least we know where we're
going because I was able to MapQuest our route to to that
and I was able to print it off here and I got it both to and

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fro as far as the directions go.So we covered both.
Fair claw, they have GPS now. Yeah.
But this one that you printed out on the sheet so you can see
here, this is like fair. Claw, put that down.
Oh my God. We hit somebody.
I. Don't know.
I think it might have been a moose or.
Something I don't think I don't.Think.
So all right, hang on. We better get out here.

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And I don't think we should. All right, yeah, I guess.
All right. Everybody out of the Let's see
Holy is. This a poop.
God, Oh, my God. Oh, there's a potty over there.
Oh, my God, no. Oh my God.
What should we do? You know what?
There's water close here. Maybe we should just drag him
in. We, you know, we're.
I like we're. I like we're we're.

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A famous podcast. We can't Have This.
I already have enough heat as itis after the Statue of Liberty,
Debile. Yeah, we.
Got to get rid. Of I'm on it in 48 states.
Let's yeah, let's not make it. 40 The other Let's throw it.
Let's let's throw this fun over the air.
Grab his head, all right. Get involved so you are a ransom

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you. Don't know what?
That is, you're very. Free welcome in a summer of
madness. We are the mouths of Madness,
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We're coming to you live tonightfrom the mad Been in the woods.
This is our episode 40 on the 1997.
I know What You Did last summer.My name is Kevin and let me
introduce you to the other members of Madness 1st, we have
Dan. Dan, what are you doing over
there? Again, just I'm looking for
snacks in this this Mabin like you once again have gone all

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out. But did anybody else get these
these letters? Yeah.
Yeah, address. I got one that's addressed to
me. Did did you guys get one?
I got one too. Yeah, I I did too.
God damn it, this is Billy again.
Dan, open yours up. What's it say here?
I just thought this was from theAirbnb, I didn't it.
Is fan mail. I know what you did last summer.
It just says shark. He's gone.

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Good. I didn't do anything like to the
shark. The shark ate me.
The fucking shark ate me. We all.
Got it and passed you Oh my. God, Oh my God.
I was there. It was terrible.
Apparently somebody else was there.
Bear claw? What?
What does yours say? Hold on.
I know what you did last summer.What did I do?
I didn't do anything. I mean, you know, there was the

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firework incident, but I. In the arrow incident.
I feel like, yeah, in the era there was a couple of incidents,
but you know. All in good fun though.
Yeah, that was all just, you know, part of, Oh no, this is
not good fun though. The crow makeup.
What's going on, dude? What are you wearing?
You dressed up like the fucking.We're.

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Gonna talk about the crow makeup.
Oh, no, I can't, Kevin. I can't have.
I can't have. That they're gonna, they're
gonna have, they're gonna feel your secret.
They're like I I like people know me for my hatred of the
crow I weather. Oh my goodness.
And my love they. Actually got a picture of you
with the letter 2? Oh my God, there's a.
Pulmonary in there. I can't have this.
Oh my God. Assholes, guys.

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It can't. It can't rain every day, guys.
Oh my God, I gotta. If this gets out, it will I have
to. It will rain every day.
Logan. Logan.
What's your say there? What do you got?
God, I swear to God, this is more fan mail from Billy.
I'm gonna lose it. He's got to leave me alone, man.
Well, is it perfume scented Usually.
Is this perfume scented? Dude, it smells like smells.

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Fishy. God, it smells terrible.
Pubic hair wallet It's the. Counselor in training Logan and
he's in arts and France. Yeah, go make a wallet of pubic
hair. Hang on a second, how do they
trace that back to me that can'ttie back?
It's not even my hair. DNA, man, it's, it's everywhere.
It's not my DNA. The pubic hair wallet that was

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around wasn't mine. Hang on, I got one too.
Let's see. Since I know what you did last
summer, let's get this butter, Sandy.
Oh, no. Oh no.
Oh yeah, that's why I got this firework.
It's it's illegal in 49 states. It's called the Sandy dildo.
What's going on? Not sandy nightmares.

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Oh my goodness, who? Who could send us all this
stuff? Who even knows about this stuff?
Do you think it's the person we hit and threw in the water?
Could be could. Be I mean.
Wait a minute. We know for sure he.
It could be a red herring that, you know, could be throwing us
off. Yeah, never know.
This is this is an inside job. Call us.
We have been inside the house. We.

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Made sure to be on an open Rd. With anybody, everybody able to
drive right by to sea and we know that, no.
We had MapQuest on our side, yeah.
What are you waiting for? What are you waiting for?
What are you waiting? For show yourself.

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There are a lot of other great horror movie podcasts out there,
but what separates us from the other ones is that we're going
to be giving you the older versus younger generation
perspective. Myself, Dan, and Bearclaw were
all born in the 1980s, while my son Logan was born in the early

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2000s. So this is the clash of the
generations. Without any further ado, grab
your fisherman slicker, pull up a chair, hold on to your
straitjacket tight, and let's dive into the madness we
watched. I know what you did last summer
from 1997. It was directed by Jim

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Gillespie. It was written by Kevin
Williamson, best known for Dawson's Creek, Right?
Of course, actually. We talked a little bit about him
before in our episode 22, because he also wrote Scream.
Yeah, even though Scream came out the prior year, he wrote.
I know what you did last summer before Scream.

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Interesting the script was not picked up.
That also makes sense. Then, after the success of
Scream, it was rushed into production.
Williamson was arguably one of the voices of the late 90s in
horror. Because in addition to Scream
and I Know What You Did Last Summer, he also would write
Halloween, H2O, Scream 2, Teaching Misses Tingle and the.

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Faculty and during that time he also filmed Dawson's Creek at
the same exact time. Did it all.
He was the millennial man. This is loosely based on the
book I Know What You Did Last Summer by Lois Duncan.
Casting wise, is this not the best looking cast in a movie?
At least for this time period, this is the cream.
Of the I better say we have a new movie that has better

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looking cast. I mean, this is 90s royalty.
We have Jennifer Love Hewitt in her first 1st movie role coming
off of Party of Five. Yep, Sarah Michelle Gellar as
Helen Shivers. Now Sarah Michelle Gellar had
quite a 1997 because she was in two movies.
She was in this one and one other one.
Stream 2. Yes, Ding Ding Ding.

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And she also starred in her own TV series.
Yes, for the vampires. You know me, a lot of big fans
out there I love. Buffy.
Yeah, Logan too. Really.
I love Buffy, it's my one of my favorite shows.
The original or like the movie? The original show, yeah.
I don't. With Sarah Michelle Gellar.
Yeah, OK. Not the Kirstie Alley movie.

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OK, here's the thing. I didn't really care for the
show. It was just whenever Sarah
Michelle Goers showed up, that was like.
It's like charmed. Yes, it is exactly like Charmed
we have. Dude.
Every single time I'll just be like, oh.
Man, we have Freddie Prince Junior as Ray.
He would go on to marry Sarah Michelle Gellar, but they first

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met on this movie. Oh, and they also starred
together in another movie, Scooby-doo.
Aren't they also? There's a couple of Scooby-doo
movies, isn't there? They did too.
Together and then we have Ryan Phillippe as Barry and he had an
iconic role a few years later inthe movie Cruel Intentions.
That's. The one along with Sarah.
That was like 2 years later. How many?

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Years later was that movie 2 years?
Yeah, 1999 and Sarah Michelle Gold results in that too.
Yeah, that was a that was not. That was a interesting movie.
I'll fuck your brains out. You can put it anywhere.
Couple other casting in here we have Johnny Galecki.
This was after the time he had played David from Roseanne and a
couple years before your favorite Dan Leonard and Big

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Bang Theory. Big Bang Theory.
Can't wait to talk about his death.
One more, we have Bridget Wilsonas Elsa.
Do you know who she's best now? Yeah.
I recognized her from like a Billy Madison.
Veronica Sonia from Mortal Kombat.

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Yeah, yeah. When we watched this movie, Dan
was like Sonia from Mortal Kombat.
I was like, yes. I was going to do you one
better. She was also in last action
Hero. Yeah.
She was like the daughter, stepdaughter or something like
that. Banger after banger.
Right, she has one fine piece ofhair.
That Veronica von is one piece of ace.

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I know what she did last summer had a budget of seven, $18
million. Do you know how much it made at
the box office? No. 17 this.
Had thanks Dan, this. Had a budget of $17 million,
yes, sounds expensive for what? What the?
Whole town. That's it's really expensive.
I had. A boat.
Scene They could have definitelydone this for less.

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This was a pretty big hit. I'm gonna say this made $60
million. Alright, Logan 90.
I'm going 70. 3 Logan is the closest, but you're all way
under it. Made $125.3 million.
When did it come out again? 1997 what?
July, I believe. There it is.
That's why summer blockbuster summer like time movies are like

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guaranteed to make more money. Currently on Rotten Tomatoes, I
know what You Did last summer has a 48% critic score and a 41%
audience score. So not very.
That doesn't match up with the financials, but all right.
Well, our good buddy Roger Ebert.
Loved this movie. He gave this one.
One out of four stars. What the hell?

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He said the best shot in this film is the first one.
Not a good sign, yeah. With the Rock'n'roll opening,
yeah, I kind of see his point with this one.
Let's give you our overall thoughts and I know what you did
last summer. Dan, start us off.
I think of this franchise as thelittle sibling to the Scream
franchise. Both are, as you mentioned,

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written by Kevin Williamson. So they definitely have the same
DNA, but they they don't have the same traits.
Like I know what you did last summer.
It's like it's just nostalgic thing.
You're like, yeah, I know what you did last last summer.
And then you turn it on and TypeO Negative starts playing and
you're like, oh, it's I know what you did last summer.
It feels like it's scraped from the bottom of the gene pool.

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I mean, look at the title of this thing compared to Scream
saying the name of this movie isas laboursome as getting through
some parts of it. The characters feel cookie
cutter and basic. You have the beauty queen, nerdy
girl, hot head jock, mysterious reserved loner Barry.
I especially dislike he's written like one of those kids
that grew up during that like Gray period where adults weren't

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sure if it was safe for their kids to put their mouths on
window sills. Like he's just so fucking keyed
up and aggro all the time. Fuck with me Max like every dude
like built like him that's. Just he gets taken out very
easily without very little of aninconvenience to the fisherman.
The characters, like they suck for making me like want to care

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whether they live, never die. I learn more towards the ladder,
not even out of intense hatred for them, but because if they're
all dead, that means the movie should be open.
Yeah. What was my opening thought?
Bear Claw this is your first watch, right?
This. Is my very first watch.
I was kind of hoping for a little bit more nostalgia for
this movie, but I didn't really ever watch it or think about

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this movie. This movie had never really
enticed me in any way. I mean, I was always a little
curious, but I was, I know what you did last summer curious, I
guess. But like, so I went into this
movie completely blind. I watched it one time through
and then I watched it another time through.
I don't know. I mean, what my impression of it
is kind of just it's very plain white bread.

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It's got slasher elements to it.There was some really good like
psychological kind of stress that it puts on the viewer in
the first like half of the movie.
But then the second-half of the movie kind of goes down some
weird roads that really don't make a lot of sense.
And I know horror characters do things that don't make sense,
but like, they kind of didn't make sense on, like, the face of

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it, what they were doing. Like going to talk to the
sister. It's like, OK, well, so what's
the plan? Not once, but twice.
Yeah. Like, what are the.
What are they looking to gain there?
You know, there's a lot of things like that where it's just
like, OK, they did this, but why?
And. And.
And I'm unclear. And, you know, like with the
crabs in the back of Jennifer Love Hewitt's car.

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But then all of a sudden they'remagically gone like.
Single crap. Were they there in the 1st
place? Like how did the fishermen do
that? You know, like that whole scene
kind of sums up my thoughts on the movie.
Is is just like there's things that happen, but it's confusing
and it's frustrating and I didn't love this movie, but I I

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think it had some good points toit, but I also didn't think it
was very fun. Yeah, I'm, yes.
So I have a very common take as you guys, or at least I did when
I first saw this. I saw this when it first came
out. No, not in the movie theater.
Year old. I was a little too young to go
see this in the movie theater, but I remember renting it from
Blockbuster Video. I had just gotten into horror

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movies a few years prior and it was like one of those things
where, you know, what was in wasn't necessarily cool to me.
And there wasn't really much horror at that time.
So I was really into like the earlier stuff, you know,
obviously Halloween and stuff. When I saw a scream, I was like,
this is special, this is big, this is something different.
Scream was special. Yeah, it was something I waited

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for when I watched I Know What You Did last summer.
I thought it was kind of in the shadow of Scream.
Like I didn't really like it that much.
I thought it was bland and it was trying to capitalize on some
of the Scream things. I remember vividly being, like,
pretty disappointed in watching it at the time.
And I was like, you know, to your point, like I didn't find

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it fun and I like didn't find characters that I liked and, and
things like that. I hadn't seen it in a while
because I haven't gone back to it many times because I think
I've had similar watches since that watch.
And the other thing about this movie too is you don't see a lot
of content about it, like like Scream and stuff like that.
Sometimes there's like, well, what was their motivator?

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There's like, you know, people want to talk about it a lot.
And I really didn't see that with this movie.
So juxtapose as to my watch a few nights ago and I watched
this with Logan, I gotta say manI really enjoyed this watch this
movie I all. Because of me.
Well, no, some of it was, for sure, but I think a lot of it

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was I kind of lost my preconceived notions about it
and because I hadn't remembered much about the movie.
So going into this, it was like a fresh watch for me.
I had fun. I thought actually they were
trying to do something a little bit different with the mystery
element. Yeah, it got convoluted and
things like that. But I do like how they kind of

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really focused on the guilt aspect and things like that.
In the earlier parts of the movie.
Which was a little bit differentto me.
Like a lot of people consider itlike a standard slasher movie,
and I get that. But I think it was trying to do
things a little bit differently,I think to the summer feel of
this movie is so good for me, like with a small town

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atmosphere. Yeah.
And like that, yeah, it did feellike Cape Cod.
And, and that's some of the things I really liked on this
watch. I did like watching it with
Logan because it was fun, like seeing his reactions to things.
And I had forgotten things. So watching it was cool.
Logan, this is your first watch of I know what you did last
summer. What are your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, going into it, I kind of based it on like, OK,

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this is a summer slasher, so letme get myself like excited to
like really see that. And I think they did it pretty
good. Like I felt like everything was
kind of like to the expectationsa lot.
Like I was expecting a lot of itto be exactly like how it played
out. Like there wasn't anything that
totally took me by surprise. Like a couple stuff like, you
know, the Fishtown being a surprise for me and the boat

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scene, like that whole stuff. Like I didn't really see that
coming. But like other than that, like
pretty much everything came to like the par of like what I saw
for like a summer slasher, but like scenery and like
environment and everything else.Like especially when it came to
like I knew the bear like stuff like I knew they were gang
lighters and stuff like that. Like so going into the movie, I
had those expectations. I don't want to say they over

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exceed. I think they just exceeded or
they kind of like I felt like itwas OK, but it didn't like
totally take me by surprise, ButI still really enjoyed the
movie. I think like it definitely did
keep me enthralled and it didn'tlose like it I'm pacing or
anything like that. I think it was like a good watch
for me. Yeah.
As far as like a slasher, because we really haven't seen

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like a good slasher movie. Or at least for me, I haven't
seen a good slasher movie. Yeah, like that I haven't seen
in a while. So yeah, I was good.
I want to start right away with the opening shot because
something Ebert talked about that it was his favorite
Dawson's. Pretty.
It's panning across and and Dan said they played the Type O
Negative song. It's panning the clock across

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the same shoreline as in the Birds movie.
But I I thought this was a cool way at least to open the movie
and, and give you that shorelineand kind of.
And the guy just sitting there, yeah, here's my big beef.
And the guy sitting there kind of starts off with my big beef
is In my mind. This very much resonates kind of
like with the original Friday the 13th that we watched and

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because who the fuck is Ben Willis?
We don't know until the end of the movie that he's like, oh,
he's that guy's brother-in-law to be and that guy accidentally
killed his sister and that's whyAnd it was because of that
tattoo and oh OK, great. But like.
Scooby-doo, man. Yeah, but like, here's here's my
beef with it. We don't like, we didn't get to

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know Ben Willis. We don't know who the fuck Ben
Willis is. We don't like, yeah, we don't.
And until the very end of the movie, we have no reason to care
about Ben Willis. At all.
You're not supposed to. As the killer, but I mean like
the killer is you got to kind ofhave some threads to make it
good. In my mind, there's got to be

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some threads that connect even if it's just some happenstance
meeting or something like that connects them.
It seems like it's just like BenWillis and.
Well that's it. I think like I will say on the
1st watch, yes, I didn't understand it too well.
But then I again I have a brain that works like 10,000 miles a
minute. So I start like it's just

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continuous rampant thinking. And throughout the entire movie
I'm trying to like think of likewho is it?
Like I was just having multiple guesses.
So then I was like, I kind of was telling you I'm like OK, so
this guy is the dad of the girl who died and he's pissed because
he blames him. And that like I just was like
basically thinking it out and you're like, Yep, that's pretty

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much. Yeah, yeah.
I mean to bear claws point. I think it is a little
convoluted in what the reveal isin the mystery element.
Yeah. And like you said, like they
don't really introduce much about that per SE.
And I think that's fine. Well, like, like here, if you're
gonna do a mystery movie, like and whether you hate him or love
him, you know, whatever. But the like the the Rian

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Johnson like Knives Out series, right?
Like, yeah, those are great. Those are mystery movies, right?
But like, you kind of have an idea.
The killer is in plain sight andyou're familiar with all the
characters that are on the board.
Exactly. Familiar with all the characters
on the board. If you're not familiar with all
the characters on the board and somebody just just, oh, well,
it's this guy who's the killer. It's kind of like.

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Yeah, I don't give a shit. Yeah.
Oh, OK. I think they're trying to be
different. They spent like 85 minutes
setting me up and then you give me this new character in the
last 10 minutes and expect me tobe like, this is great.
Yeah, but it solves the mystery.But the mystery wasn't wasn't
solvable until that point. I hear you and I agree with
that. I think though, where they were

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trying to really go for in this movie is something that we
talked about with Friday 13th Part 5, the red herring issue.
Tommy Jarvis is not in that movie like at all.
And we're and that was one of our issues.
You're like, well, if you're trying to set it up, you have to
have him in here. Yeah.
This one for me, First off, gives you the fake red herring

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of Max, right? Poor Max.
He's just trying to live his life.
He's not. Poor Max, he's a creepy guy.
We've been friends since forevernow.
You can't just leave without a farewell, right?
01, he bought a girl some shots and then he was like, hey, you
want to hang out later? And she was like fuck you
asshole. And then like OK, so then he
goes off. Then he's driving home from work

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and they're all like get the fuck out of here, Max.
And he's like, fine. Yeah, he's just trying.
To be he's just trying to help him out.
No, I mean, they give you get slaughtered.
Yeah, they give you the fake redherring.
But the real red herring is Ray,right?
Narrows it down, just being a quaint little.
Fishing village and all. Since you bring it up, we all
know you have a slicker and I think they actually do Ray

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really good in this like and yousaid about this.
Yes, Ray 'cause there's no pointthat I thought Ray was the.
Right. Well, that's that's the thing
that I I found with this movie too, with like all the red
herrings. You have Max, you have Ray, you
have David Egan. Yeah, you know, all these red
herrings and it's like none of them, like to your point, like

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none of them. I'm, I'm buying it.
I'm like, no bullshit. They're not.
They're not the killer. In my heart takes sore
conspiracy theories. I have some edits out with me.
To say, I think to go off the red herring thing for a little
bit, I think the best thing in amystery movie is when you give
us multiple guesses for a killerand you kind of plant those

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seeds of like, oh, it could be this person because this person
can't be trusted, or it could bethis person.
And my biggest thing throughout this movie is and plays like a
scooby-doo mystery is where the hell is Ray?
While all this stuff is going down.
And that was playing in my head the entire time where I was
like, that is so good by the director by not having Ray in
the movie. And then at the last second he

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comes in just mysteriously. And then you see the boat and
it's just like. Honestly, they had made it
right. That would have been honestly
more clever than somebody we could never have possibly.
I think it's good, though, that it's someone we could have never
guessed because I've seen so many movies where it's like,
it's the friend, Like, oh, it's this person.
Like, it's gonna be like they needed revenge.

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It's like, that's so stupid. Because then it would have been
like a stupid Scream plot where it's like, oh, it's the family
coming in back to like, kill people.
But this movie's different. But Scream was an awesome movie
that was a lot of fun. No the the new.
Screen newer ones there's. Oh OK, I can't speak to the
newer screams. I was like the original scream.
It was the two friends there. Yeah, it's not.
I honestly didn't necessarily see that coming on my first

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watch of Scream. It's always the.
It's always the family are friends.
Yeah, but that's, that's what makes a compelling mystery.
It's not just, oh, some serial killer was wandering through
town, you know well. I think for me the reason why
this worked with Ray being the red herring specifically is
because of the guilt thing that they all fell.
We didn't murder anyone. He was.

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Still alive when we dumped him in the water.
Do we have to rehash his? It was an accident.
The guy was in the middle of theroad.
I like the guilt theme. And I like the idea that, like,
after high school, they all kindof drifted.
Yeah, exactly. Friends anymore I think that
that can be kind of interesting and and you know, the year after
high school is kind of a a toughyear because people are still

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figuring out what direction their lives are going in and
stuff. So I I like that aspect of it.
I feel like that group would have had a little bit more
cohesiveness, especially all being part of a shared traumatic
experience. But you know, I guess people
grow apart and like the fact that the guilt had ruined their
lives. I guess that's, that's a little
dramatic, but I think it's, I think it's, it's plausible,

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certainly. I like some of those scenes,
too. Like, yeah, where they show
like, what's like, Julie is struggling in college, you know,
Ray hasn't gone off to New York.Barry still an asshole.
Yeah. Helen is, is working at her
family shop. Like, I like that sort of thing
because it seems very plausible that that's, yeah, what would

(26:34):
have happened. I like the fact that like I
can't even begin to imagine how stressful that would be.
Like you threw a body into the ocean and if it's never found
you're fine. But if it is found you're in
such a deep Doo Doo not only forit happening but for the cover
up. Like you're in too deep at that
point. Well, they they go to put him in

(26:55):
the water and he grabs Helen's crap.
He's alive. At that point, wouldn't they
have been like, oh Sir, let's see, They're just like, Shove?
Them in the water like. They're already pot committed.
Yeah. They're committed.
That felt kind of like Scary Movie to me, where I'm like,
wait a minute, the dudes still alive?
Yeah, right. Still alive?
I'm not dead. Yeah, he says.

(27:16):
He's not dead. Yes, he is.
I'm not money. Python sketch.
I'll take a walk today. Put them in the water.
I got to ask you all a big question.
If you're in this situation, what are you doing?
Call the cops, tell them it wasn't my fault.
Out of the ocean. Going in, Dan?
I'm going secrecy with bear claw.

(27:37):
Yeah, I don't know if you know about it.
Take this to our grave. I don't know if you know about
our justice system. I'll blame you.
I'll blame you for it. I ain't taking that shit.
I wasn't driving. I.
I kind of like too how they all react to when they.
This happens because they react very like I think in character
of what their character would. Feel.
You know what? The only one who was thinking

(27:58):
clearly there was Barry. I'm going to say something
pretty controversial. What?
He's my favorite character in this movie.
Really. He's.
Definitely the only one. That personality, yeah, the only
one that really kind of stands out.
He's got a pretty clear like understanding of the situation
and tactically how it's going togo down.
Guys already dead. We go to the place we're dead.

(28:20):
Too right? He's realistic.
He's. Realistic.
He's committed. Like I, you know, I know it's an
intense scene when he grabs Julie and stuff, but he's like,
I want to hear you say it, you know?
Yeah. He knows what she's feeling and
he's. Such a good actor.
He was like, the best part for me because not only was I felt
like he was the most committed and his character felt like the

(28:42):
most realistic. Yeah, I also think he was.
And I know Dan had sent in his opening thoughts about like, you
know, he, the fisherman kind of did away with him pretty
quickly. But I thought he was going to be
a formidable foe to this fisherman.
Yeah, he kind of was, at least in the first part of it.
At least until he got snuck up on it.
He. Was a formidable, like, you

(29:02):
know, when he's, you know, in a car drum, Yeah, hitting the guy.
Yeah, I don't know. He just seemed like a tough guy.
He was in the gym. Like, you know, I'm gonna go
after this guy. Yeah.
And. He's rich guy, tough guy.
You're right. But yeah, even when he gets hit
by that car and stuff, yeah. He's like, so he bounces back
from. You.
I don't know. He was my.

(29:22):
Did you guys have a favorite character in this movie?
I did. Who's your favorite character?
I I did really like Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Yeah, I really did. I I was really attracted to her
too during that movie. Like, not a huge Jennifer Love
Hewitt fan, but like, I I thought she was attractive and I
thought she was a good actress. In this, though, what are you
waiting for? Was a little dumb.
What are you waiting? For what are you?

(29:47):
Waiting for. I've already seen it before so I
already knew it was coming. Yeah, that's like, kind of like
one of the most famous scenes inthis movie.
The what are you waiting for? And she tells the story that a
kid won a contest to direct. Upon her that too.
Yeah, and this was the scene that he directed and gave her
that line to say. I don't know if that's true.

(30:09):
Like I couldn't confirm it at all.
But I don't know if that's her way of like trying to be like,
well, I said something stupid. I would lean into it because
it's what it's lasted forever. It's iconic at this point.
I mean, yeah, it is. I mean, it was definitely a
weird line. And I just, I, I don't know that
the the whole crab trunk, crabs in the trunk thing really threw

(30:31):
me through a loop. You said something earlier too
with it like maybe being there or not being there.
Do you think it was legitimatelythere or do you think she was
just kind of seeing like? I mean, that's kind of the
thing. It's the unsolvable.
Mystery. She know that Max is dead
though. Yeah.
Oh. Yeah, that's a good point.
I was just and maybe she's like mentally starting to break down
because then we get though, whatare you waiting for line?

(30:54):
And she seems a little crazy. So I was thinking like, maybe
this is her just breaking down. Like, yeah, because she's she's
getting the note and and things like that are happening.
So I don't know. It's because I think guilt turns
into paranoia here. Oh, yeah.
I feel like it would have been more clever for them to have
like that be like her, like breaking down or But I they

(31:15):
played it like it really was something that they all believe
that she saw the crabs in there with the the body of Max and you
know, they all kind of they bought that.
Yeah, and we got like one of my favorite lines from Barry, you
know, and cuz he goes up to Ray.Ray's like, yeah.

(31:36):
I got this like I got run over, Helen got her hair chopped off,
Julie gets a body in her trunk and you get a letter that's
balanced. I love too when he.
Sees them. He's like you're fucking dead,
you're gonna die. Bam bam with the hand with.
The calf flies like 10 feet in the flame.
It's it's cuz Ray actually has has a job and works.

(31:58):
Yeah, that's why the killer can't catch him, because all the
other ones are here out with their thumb up their ass.
They're always out in public. You're right.
And I you know what though, I want to touch on that because I
think this this movie also showsyou like a classism thing going
on too. Oh yeah, I'm gonna, like the
rest of you, have your family orthe money to Get Me Out of.
This because you have the upper class wealthy with Barry and

(32:23):
Helen and and Julie. Yeah, and they're all
threatening. Poor Max is just trying to do
his job. You know, they show up at his
place of business and start threatening him with the hooks
and stuff and. That's another reason why I love
Barry, though. Barry's like, fuck this.
We know it. And and they're being smart.
When I was watching this with Logan, Logan's like, you know
what? They're kind of being smart

(32:44):
because like, who did they see that night?
Max? So they're going to go up there
and question him. Oh.
Yeah, I'm thinking like in my head, I'm like, OK, if I was
going through this, the first thing going through my head is
one, who do we know was there that night?
And then two, does the person that we killed have any family
or friends? Because it's usually family or

(33:05):
friends trying to avenge them. It's not gonna be some random
dude. And then we should we just get
in the car and go visit their family and friends and then ask?
Them a bunch like. Hey, just straight up just ask.
Hey, are you gonna, are you gonna kill me?
Yeah. Are you gonna kill me for
running over? No, your brother.
What I would do, I would go there, do like what they did
where they broke down the car. Well, you're already in jail for
manslaughter for two or three years, 'cause you said you were

(33:27):
gonna go to the cops. We know once you get out of
prison, you're going to, you know what the dude looks.
Like, right. We know.
Like they should have gotten Barry after Barry was in the
hospital. They should have gotten him to
describe how tall the guy was. Or did he see the guy?
He did because he he was standing over.
He was standing over him. So he knows how the fisherman,

(33:51):
yeah, he knows how tall the person is.
The sister there, she was prettysmall so that it couldn't have
been her. I love Logan's like already like
hopping into the mystery. And like, got all this stuff,
OK, Because I was playing it like I was actually in it, Yeah.
And I was like, OK, Ray has access to fishing equipment as

(34:12):
well as he has an alibi because he's at work that we don't know
of. Also, we know that him and Max,
they kind of don't like each other in a like, in a way, I
kind of Barry hates him more than he does.
But he still loves Max, is getting in the way of him and
Jennifer. Love.
He. Julie.
Yeah. I feel like Max and Ray were
friends, probably working at thefishing place.

(34:34):
I don't think so because he didn't like Ray.
Because remember he told him like you could shut your shit.
Yeah, he didn't. Yeah, because they were arguing
car. I mean, they're pretty in toxic.
They're probably drunk, but likeand also Max is fucking weirdo a
dude. That dude was like enamored with
her. Like my God, you see that?
She just wrecked her car and you're going over to her.

(34:54):
Like you look pretty good tonight.
Like what the hell are you? Doing Max should have a pretty
epic scene, and this is the first scene in the movie where
we see the fisherman, right? And the.
So cool. Max just trying to boil some
crabs for his job. We got a little.
The yeah, Chekhov's hook. I liked that scene, Yeah.

(35:15):
Where the hook was in the ice and then it's missing.
I love that throughout the movieyou have multiple instances of
Chekhov's gun playing throughoutthe movie where it's like, so
we're going to see a really close up shot of this and then
we're going to get it later on like in the movie.
And there's a couple that like Iknow some people picked up on,
but like, I think the big one was obviously the hook, but a
lot of the kills throughout the movie was kind of played upon

(35:38):
route. What I want to get your opinions
on is the fisherman. Where does the fisherman belong
in like slasher icons? Do you like his look?
Because for me, I don't know if he's like one of the stronger
slasher characters. And this is part of the reason
why I wasn't a big fan years agobecause of like ghost face and
like his iconic. Yeah, I gotta say.

(35:59):
Oh, that's going to get controversial.
He is to the same extent as a ghost face, but not like the
original ghost face. Like I'm talking like the newer
ghost face. He's he's on.
He's comparable to like Cropsy and the Burning.
Yeah, who also I think was wearing a rain.
Slider, I think we got to wait to see.
I think we got to wait to see the new I know what you do last

(36:22):
summer before we can judge. I feel like if you showed them
the picture of the rain slicker guy you'd get Candyman more than
you would any other thing because of the hook.
Well, yeah. What's your thoughts on the hook
too? Because like in in Kraut Sea,
for instance, in the burning, hehad them shears all the time.
Yeah, now the fisherman's got the hook right.
I don't know. It's OK.
I think there's I think there's other fishermen weapons that are

(36:44):
probably better or like more gruesome or I don't know,
there's other things that you could have used.
But I I think the hook is good. And I was trying to figure out
at the end of this movie, like when he lost his hand.
Is this a whole just elaborate thing to set up the one armed
man kind of thing or like. Playing on the urban legend.
The urban legend of like. Based on.
Yeah, yeah, and he'll put a hookon his hand for I still know

(37:07):
what you did last summer. So I never I, I don't even
remember seeing. I still know what you did last
time, Dan. Did you?
Ever saw? I saw.
I still know it. It takes place at a resort like
a island resort vacation thing. I heard Jack Blacks.
In it he isn't it. Oh.
My God, like an early Jack. Early Jack Black is.
Like High Fidelity Jack Black. This was probably pre high

(37:28):
fidelity right? What year did I?
Know, I think high Fidelity cameout before OK, I think, I'm not
sure right there. That's a craziest Jack Black.
High Fidelity. Yeah, because he kind of plays
himself in a way. Because this is 3 years before
high fidelity. High Fidelity is 2000.
Wait about I still know what youdid last summer it.
Came out 98. It came out a year after this.

(37:49):
Then High Fidelity came out in 2000 and they did this like
right after, huh, The sequel. They're like.
We can't wait $20 million. So they were definitely.
Making another. One, they're like, right as that
movie came out, they're like, ohGod damn, we gotta make another
one right now. This is around 1 movie studios.
We're like, OK, so this movie has no artistic direction, but
how does everybody feel about money here?

(38:12):
Yeah, money sounds good. It's like Gremlins 2.
Legit like from like 97 to like 2010.
It was like the model of movies it felt like.
It's like. The Transformers movies where
they're like, oh man, this performed really well, let's
make another one. What I.
Want to Talk About is one of my favorite scenes in the movie,
which is when Helen goes back toher house and the fisherman

(38:35):
comes in the house. Yeah, that's the creepiest part
of the fisherman as you see him walking around, but it's like
you're really not gonna hear somebody in boots and a rain
slicker. You were saying that during at
the mood they're like, you're like giving out 'cause you're
like. Old colonial house like that.
You're telling me that shit don't creak?
What I love is the scene where she's about to go up the stairs,
but we see him. Yeah.

(38:56):
Yeah, that's the. Timing of that, yeah.
That's scary, man. For me, like someone's in.
And you know, like that, one of the things that I know is that
they avoid doing, which was strange to me that they avoided
this because it's worked so wellin other horror movies is they
never went to killer POV. Yeah, you're right.
Like they do with like Halloweenor they it's almost like they

(39:17):
deliberately avoided. Yeah, you're right.
They didn't. It would have been a good.
Shot like yeah, like him lookingout at the closet or.
We could have got a little nudity, which is what this movie
lacks too. I disagree with that.
Oh. OK.
I don't think we should have seen a perspective if we don't
know who the killer is. If it was someone like Ray, then

(39:40):
yes, that's fine because we already know who Ray is.
But because we don't know who the killer is, we shouldn't see
their perspective. I don't know, I think Black
Christmas it worked and. We yeah, it never.
It worked on Friday, I don't think.
There's a lot of precedence where you didn't know who the
killer was and we still saw their POV I.
Think it's different with this. I got to go to the bathroom real

(40:01):
quick. Man on the street.
Hello and I'm Logan. I'm I'm out here.
We have just seen the worst of the worst.
I know what you did last summer is hitting the streets and
people are bringing their fish hooks.
We got people dressing up in allkinds of fish coats and stuff.
Bear call. How do you feel about all this?

(40:21):
Well, right now I'm quite hungry.
Really been into the seafood scene down here, and what was
this North Carolina that we're at here?
Could be anywhere and there could.
Be anywhere. Alaska.
Just really enjoying some some of the lovely crab here and I do
primarily the human interest pieces.
So I'm not really sure what all this fish hook stuff is about.
But Logan, back to you on the fish hooks.
Man, I I don't know, man, it's, it's getting crazy out here.

(40:44):
Wait a minute. Who's that out there?
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
He's got a fish hook. What's he gonna do to?
Me. He's got a rain slicker too.
Oh wait, fuck, get out of here. He's just one of the.
Wait a minute, that's just old man Jenkins.
Yeah, it's just some old man. Let's put him to the ground and
make him real scared like they do in this movie.
That poor old man. That poor old man was just just,

(41:05):
he's like, oh, I'm gonna be festive today and wear my old
fishing rain slicker and you know, just really celebrate the
4th and then next thing you know.
What do you think he smelled like?
Low tide. Low tide, the things like you
had talked about earlier with Anne Haish's character being the
sister of. Yeah, we're talking about

(41:26):
underutilizing somebody too. Anne Haish.
Like this is the actress right? She had the.
OK with that, she had the funniest scene where they're in
the car and she just it's like this unnecessary jump scare.
She's like, hey, hey, he. Forgot your cigarettes?
You forgot your cigarettes. Yes.

(41:47):
Oh my God, cinema. I think every sister was kind of
underutilized because also Michelle Geller sister, I mean,
she had a couple good wines. This Little Miss Kroger getting.
Sauteed. Tonight by her berating.
Her sister, she got merked pretty easily.
Who? That was crazy with her.
With her getting carried like bylike, yeah, I love that scene

(42:08):
where the hook was in her and hewas like, carrying her through
that. That was really good.
Yeah. Yeah.
That looks really good. Going back to David Egan's
sister, Aunt Haish, those are always my least favorite scenes
in the movie because they just felt out of place.
I almost felt like going to likeThe Texas Chainsaw Massacre out.
Well, it's for a second. What are we doing?
What's the? I mean, you got to give your

(42:28):
character some type of plausiblegoal.
Like are they trying to find outa piece of information?
They even try and like riff on themselves.
I think you think we should havesome sort of a plan.
Angela Lansbury was had a plan. There's some type of over there
like Angela Lansbury, always. Has to share anymore.
It's like, well, what's your plan, man?
Like, you're gonna go to Anne Haish.

(42:48):
You're gonna be like, hey, we killed your brother, so who's
trying to kill us now? Like what?
What's How's that end? Yeah, I mean, I think they were
just looking for any clues. This is a plot device to get to
the Billy Blue situation. Yeah, because the friend Billy
Blue came. And then later on, it's like
Ray's boat is named Billy Blue. So it's like trying to sell you

(43:10):
as the audience on the idea, like, oh shit, Ray is the
killer. And I thought it was.
It was good. I just didn't know that you
needed to do that with the sister and all all that stuff
there. There had to be an easier way to
do it. Yeah, I think that was like the
big thing that really. What if like the fisherman
killer, like he was the captain of Billy Blue was the captain of

(43:32):
Ray's boat and like they had introduced him a couple of
times. They knew him.
I gotcha. He was just kind of a good guy
kind of thing. And like he was like he had
employed Ray and like he had taken like a, a part in each of
their lives, like a positive role in each of their lives in
some ways. Yeah, but he's not a good
person. He's an asshole.

(43:53):
And that's. Right.
I mean he kills them ultimately,but I mean like then he would
have been involved in the story somehow other than just getting
hit and us not knowing who he isand then him being the killer.
You're kind of turning me to, Logan said.
I don't think we need that. OK my only thing is.
Then then what's the point of having the mystery?

(44:13):
Why not just have him them standing on the dock and see him
roll by and be like, I'm coming for you assholes.
Like that's like Michael Myers. Michael Myers isn't.
Hiding. I just think it was a nice
simple story and then they complicated it with this
bullshit. Or what if they, like,
recognized him when they hit himand then all of a sudden they
started seeing him all around town and it was him and.
Yeah. And like, they were like, oh,

(44:36):
yeah, we've seen him. Yeah, we knew him.
I can't believe. Have you seen been seeing old
Ben around, too? And.
We wouldn't have gotten the great mystery angle.
We couldn't have gotten the great wines of like.
Here's my Here's my objection there.
The great mystery angle. I don't see it as a great.
Mystery. I'm saying like the great stuff
with like Ray, like and Billy ornot Ray and Billy.
Oh, what's this? Yeah.

(44:56):
Max, like you, you wouldn't havegot the red herring issue, which
is what they're the real setup in this movie is trying to get
you to believe that Ray is the killer.
That's the real setup. Are they totally lost?
On me, On my I. Think they're trying to give you
like multiple characters that you could have seen as the
killer and then giving you a total, total add a left field

(45:17):
thing that kind of takes you outand kind of makes you believe
shit. This is anything goes now where
it's like there's nothing reallythat kind of connects them until
you put the pieces together withall the photos and stuff and all
the real once you start digging into it.
The fisherman man Ben Willis, He's a vindictive Dick.

(45:39):
That's why I like him, that he'sactually.
He's waiting. He's also really patient.
He's waited a year and. Then it has to be done on the
4th of July, because the other day otherwise.
It's his day. Well, I love like Sarah Michelle
Gellar. Like he could have killed her
when he was. Yeah, right.
He he. That was my exact.
He liked the torture. Thing, yeah, but he wanted to
cut her hair. Why did he make coleslaw on

(46:00):
Helen's head? I know.
Yeah, because he's. Tortured and he made and he gave
her the that she is notorious for from like here on out.
I like it because it builds up the fact that she's bad.
I was gonna say he definitely should have shaved her head.
But you know, Sir Michelle Kellers, people were like, well,
we're just not doing that. So you're gonna give her a cute
haircut and that'll be the end of that.

(46:21):
And. Can we put her in a skull cap?
Go. No, I like how the cop is like
he's got Sarah Michelle Gellar in his back seat.
He's like, you ugly. Hey, yeah.
Use. The same hook to cut all your
hair off. Look at your short, stupid

(46:41):
haircut. Like I'm sitting there like,
this is the beauty queen of yourtown and you're like, oh, right,
A. Small fishing town.
How many gorgeous women are there?
Yeah, Sarah, Michelle. There were a couple.
And this brings us to the endingscenes that we get here.
First off, we see Barry getting killed in the rafters, right?
Yeah. Helen is going to like,

(47:02):
screaming, going after him. Why are all these people
grabbing her? Yeah, they're like, we gotta
help. That would have also been
interesting if they were like, we got to get these kids back
and like the whole town is murders.
What if, like, what if it was like an I am Spartacus thing
when it's like we're all the fishermen and they all just like
fish? And they're all, they're all in
slickers, and they have a slicker pageant instead of a

(47:25):
beauty pageant. Yeah, I mean you get poor
berries, death, and then we get this stupid ass cop who I hate.
Yeah, again, this cop is. Good for nothing.
Sarah Michelle Gellar in his backseat.
Huge old egg, 19 years old. Yeah, what's?

(47:46):
The problem with that? But this gets us to what I think
are like some of the best scenesof her going to her family
store. Yes, this is almost a beat by
beat recreation of Halloween, right where she's coming from
across the house, Michael's chasing her and she can't get
back into the house. And she's like yelling for

(48:06):
Tommy. Instead, Helen's yelling for
Elsa, you know, with the keys, get the keys.
And of course, the back door is open.
And so for how the hell are you keeping that back door open and
like late at night? When you're the only one working
there like no. Well, it's a small town, no?
Still doesn't matter. I'm walking that back ass door.

(48:28):
I'm walking both doors that. Small town means I would say
small town is even scarier. You don't know what those
people. Small town means there's not a
lot of cops. Yeah, then you got this one dumb
ass cop. Yeah, I was like, hold on, I
gotta help this guy in the rain slicker.
Oh, we're looking for a killer in the rain.
Slicker. Hang on, I got AI, got a second
job. This.
Guy, I got a good vibe about this guy.
Well, Bear Club, like we talked about earlier, everybody in this

(48:50):
town's got. I don't have time for all this
old hags nonsense and and rambling.
I'm gonna go help this job. I got my.
I got my other job. I work for AAA.
What was a cool scene as Logan and me, we're watching it.
All the bags are on the mannequin heads and we're
looking and we're like that one looks like the fisherman's as.
Soon as we say that, boom. Yeah, it was like, boom, It was
a. Perfect job I got.

(49:11):
I got scared. Because I knew it was him and I
was like, what is he gonna do? And then as soon as I said that,
I was like, oh, I was like, holyshit.
Yeah, He jumped out. That was funny, though.
That made me like laugh because I was just like holy shit.
What I like about this kill poorHelen gets killed in the
alleyway trying to escape. But what I like about this is
the camera shot because. This is just definitely one of

(49:34):
the only shots where I think is this is like a brutal kill
because everything before is even her sister.
It's like there's like a spray of blood and that's it.
But like this is like a truly like brutal kill.
Well, originally I guess the director like had no blood in
this movie and they had to go back and like reshoot things
because they're like, hey, this is a horror movie.
You got to add some blood. Like this is an R rated horror

(49:57):
movie? One of my central thesis on this
movie and my feelings on it are if they wanted it to be a
mystery, they should have gone back to the writing board and
made it a mystery. They wanted it to be a horror
movie. They should have gone back to
the board and made it a horror movie.
Because this whole like, mystery, horror thing, they went
down to very different roads andthey did not have the tools to
bring those roads back together.What I liked about this camera

(50:20):
shot though is when it pans backafter the fisherman kills her,
you can see how close she was tolike escaping and it gives you
like that false hope sense, which I thought was a good
scene. We get to the big scene at the
end with the boat and. The boat and scene was pretty
cool and they actually. Filmed this on a real boat.
And her, like, diving around in the ice pit and stuff.

(50:42):
Like, I thought that was all kind of cool, yeah.
That was like suspenseful. I thought it was tense.
And then Ray the hero shows up. Yeah, at first, Ray, we're like,
oh God, it's Billy Blue. It's the boat.
Yeah. And you know, so you're like, Oh
my God. And then?
That's the moment where I was like, oh man, like this is
awesome. And then that happens and I'm

(51:03):
like, oh. That's still cool.
I was just like a little, I was a little disappointed that it
didn't work like I wanted to, but I was like, it's fine
because like it was not what I expected.
And that's why I liked it, because I didn't want something
to be like exactly as I predicted it to be.
So if it was Ray, what would your thoughts be on it?
Do you think it would have been just too if they explained it

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too easy? I think it would have.
I honestly think it would have been better.
I don't know. Like your movie has a mystery
aspect to it, but it's an unsolvable mystery.
Then it's not really a mystery. Then it's you don't have the
information. You know what I mean?
Like, there's no possible way that you could have known, oh,
it was the girl's brother or it was the girl's father that the

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guy killed at the edge of the Cliff, and he felt so bad.
It's like, you could have never known that without exposition.
That doesn't happen until over an hour into the movie.
And by then they're like, oh, it's clearly that guy.
And it's like, OK, but what havewe been doing up until this
point? Yeah, I, I, I got you.
I think it could have played outgood if it was Ray.

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But I think adding this, like Logan said it, for me it was
like something that was a littleunpredictable, which in the end
I kind of liked. And what I really liked is they
kind of set up a sequel idea. Now, obviously I haven't seen a
sequel. Well, I think that was like kind
of a cool way to go, you know? And then at the very end you get

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that jump scene kind of a la Friday the 13th.
No, you don't like it then. Yeah, that was dumb.
That was really dumb. I think they could have just.
Ended you You go in. You go in.
You turn the shower on. You don't.
You don't check to see if there's somebody waiting in the
shower. Oh, oh, you.
You left the shower room for a split second and somebody
mysteriously just sneaks in. And they had time to write.

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Write you a little note and thenyou didn't see them in the in
behind. They're black.
They're black slipper. Reading that letter.
Slick suit, just outline of thatjust isn't sitting in the glass
shower for you, you know? Just just morally, I want to say
this movie is very, it's a very moral movie in that there's not
a lot of blood and gore. You know, there's no nudity.

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There's no sorry to disappoint. Yeah, it's really, really
morally. A list of reasons why I don't
like this movie. You're giving me a reason why I
like this movie. It's a very.
This is no terrifier. Well, that is true.
I don't want gore. I think though there's a
balance. Like you could have done a
little bit more for sure. And I think that's some of the

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issues I have in this movie, youknow, cuz I don't think it's
perfect by any means. And I think, like if you did
just a little bit extra with some of these things, I think
you could have kind of made it work a little bit better,
especially for the convoluted mystery.
I would be really, I'm really curious now and, and before this
movie I wasn't curious about this.
But now I'm really curious to see what they did with the new

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one and how and how they change things or didn't change things.
You know, that's what I would bereally curious to.
See. How about the the new one that's
coming out? The one that's that's coming
out, yeah. They're doing it much like in
the same vein as Halloween and Scream.
They're making it like. Requel.
Yeah, like legacy character typestuff.
Plus Madeline Klein. I thought they were remaking it.

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No, no. OK, well, my curiosity has
dissipated. I don't.
I don't. You're welcome.
You're welcome. Yeah, you're thank you.
I gave no shits about them. I give less shits about their
kids. I think for every horror movie,
I try to go in blind. I think like when you're going
to see a new horror movie, especially in like the last two
years I've really went to horrormovies, I've kind of like wanted

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to go in blind for the new one. I've only seen like the first
trailer. Other than that, I've seen
nothing really else. I'm expecting a slasher and
that's what it will be. It doesn't have to be good as
long as it's a slasher movie. I think as long as it's fun, I
think that will be, yeah. Like this movie, I think kind of
gives you like a blueprint to work off.
And like we talked about, there are things you can improve on.

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So it has a lot of potential. Yeah, if they improve.
On those. Things then, you know, even if
they improve on things, then it's gonna be that much more, I
think better and and you can go from there.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of ways this movie could have.
As I finished my 2nd watch of the movie, I was like OK, if you
had given me this script, here'sthe different roads I would have

(55:23):
taken. They could have cut all the
sister scenes and that would have been good for me.
Yeah. That was so unnecessary to keep
on going back to the sister house because you already know
she ain't the killer. And you already know, like it's
pretty much guaranteed that you say anything more, she's going
to start getting suspicious because she was already getting
suspicious as it was like because she was like your car

(55:44):
just magically started up so. You got this car started,
didn't. You.
Yeah, even when they first arrived, she was like, I don't
know, that seemed. Weird.
Yeah, it seemed out of place. I don't know.
Again, you'd have to change thatto kind of tie because all that
was trying to tie in Ray as as being the red herring.
So you just have to rework that.But it's possible and.
He just didn't want Jennifer Love Hewitt's character to know

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he was seeing this. He was seeing Ann Haish on the
side there like. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Probably had a pretty good flingwith her.
You know she. They said they got real friendly
at one point. Shoot the crazy ones.
They're always, they're always fun.
I don't know. And there was something that was
supposed to strike as like crazyand menacing about her that I

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didn't really understand as being crazy or menacing.
She seemed pretty well adjusted and she was into taxidermy.
That's. Weird.
She's poor. Yeah, that's that's what it was.
Oh, OK, We're not supposed to trust her because she's poor,
OK. Like I said before, there is a
lot of that class system, kind of.
Making like salmon jerky in the back there though I feel like

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that's. That's a woman right there.
She can take care of you for therest of your life.
You don't eat Julie. James Salmon Jerky And she
brings you your cigarettes. I mean, come on.
What a woman. Too bad she didn't bite it in
this movie. We can't add her all of.
Slang. We'd have so much fish jerky in
the Hall of Slang. Don't worry, we'll put Max
staring. He can.

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He can make us the. Fuck, he will.
I don't want him going. Anywhere near my cigarettes well
before Hall of Slang. We're on to Conspiracy Corner.
Does anyone have any conspiracies?
My conspiracy is. This movie didn't happen.

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That Jennifer Love Hewitt is actually the fisherman.
It's not necessarily conspiracy.Maybe it's more of how I think
this movie would have been better.
I think you could have made Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Like, her guilt, like, drove herinsane.
And she was like, an A+ student.And they don't reveal it to the
end, but she was like, an A+ student.
But like, the guilt, like, droveher insane.
And yeah, like, they actually did kill him.

(57:52):
And he went to the bottom of theocean and he never came came
back. But like she had like some type
of split personality or something like that.
And like they could have played a psycho angle so.
She was gonna be the killer. Is that what you're saying?
Right, like you, you frame Ray as like the guy who everybody
thinks is the killer, but it's actually, it's actually Jennifer

(58:14):
Love Hewitt. My God.
And she's just lost it. And maybe she's wearing like
stilts or something so she lookstaller.
I don't. That's so F to just like you
broke up with this dude and thena year later you're blowing.
You're blaming him. That's.
Yeah, exactly. But like, like guilt like racked
her so much. Bro, what if that's the new
movie? Yeah, And like, there could be

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scenes where like, she's trying to get away, but it's not really
her getting away. It's like the inside of her, her
head and like, she's just lost it.
I don't know. I thought that would have been a
much cooler conspiracy theory. Totally see that happening, just
not in this movie. As far as the new one, yes,
because the gaslighting thing would be that's like very new

(58:56):
age kind of thing where you're like kind of gaslighting them
into like believing. I think you have the Back to the
Future thing. Like, yeah, you're not into it,
but your kids will. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you're not into this, but your kids are gonna love it.
I have one. I think Max was also a killer
and he was planning to kill Julie.

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You think he was planning to kill Julie?
Yeah, he had hair dolls of her. He couldn't take the fact that
she had turned him down, rejected him.
She's picking this Ray character.
I mean, what the fuck's up with the Ray?
What it was? Maybe he was just like really
into physics and he was going tobe studying.
He was kind of like ripped and he was kind of like the basic
ass. Yeah, but he's dumb.
Big dude. You got Max?

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He's Leonard from The Big Bang. Yeah.
Shit about Max Max. Never the guy who gets the girl.
Because the big question a lot of people have is why did the
fisherman kill Max here? This is why, yeah.
Yeah. Just fun.
No? The fisherman knew he was doing
all this Recon for a year. He knew Max was a killer and he
was going to go kill Julie. So instead he was like.

(59:59):
Oh, so he was protecting Julie? Well, he was.
Like protecting, he's like, that's mine, right?
Right. You stay the fuck away and make
sure you come to a permanent endso you don't go anywhere near my
prize. Or he saw the two of them
fighting like what's the so? He saw the careful contemplation
in Matt's eyes as he was boilingcrabs, and knew that well this.

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Is boiling that crab is kind of like a metaphor?
This is the other thing too, yeah.
Him killing Julie. He was planning on putting her
in the. Pot in the boiling.
Yeah, OK. And This is why he let Barry
live, because Barry fucked up Max.
And he was like, you know what? I don't know man, I kind of like

(01:00:40):
this guy, although he hit me so then.
Fuck. Well, he let him live because it
wasn't the 4th of July. Right.
I guess you're right, alright. Because if it wasn't the 4th of
July, then. Well, here's the other thing on
Max. Max died, right?
No one talked about it. Like where's Max?
And. They didn't even kill him on the
4th of July, they killed him before that.
Like where is he? No friends, no family?
Max was a killer. He was a loner.

(01:01:02):
He was a creep. I'm sticking.
I'm, you know, I'm going to be aMax apologist.
He's just a guy trying to make his way in the world.
He's a fisherman. Just we're trying to work hard
like he had. A hair doll time for hot takes.
My hot take is, is the end of this movie supposed to make us
feel bad for these teens when they were like, oh, no, it was

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actually Ben Willis, and he had killed that one guy.
So it was perfectly OK that you guys hit somebody who you had no
idea. Yeah, they're kind of heroes.
By the end of the movie, you're actually the heroes.
You're actually the heroes. Like that's the.
Twist that. Is the.
There's like a parade for the that.

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Takes away from the beginning ofthe movie so much 'cause it's
like, no, you guys really didn'thave it.
Let all you guys are yourselves on about.
So you're telling me you didn't learn shit after all?
Well, they weren't to not mess with family.
Family, Family. There's always room for family.
Also, now they're paranoid. It's like a.
Larry David thing at the end, it's like, well, what did you

(01:02:08):
learn here? And it's like I've never learned
a lesson in my entire life like.I think the lesson was to always
watch your damn back, never trust anybody 'cause like the
big thing at the end of the movie was that whole like, am I
alive? Nobody.
Nobody portrayed anybody though.The the whole hand thing and
like them saying the cops sayingwe usually find them the.

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Body will turn up, they usually do.
Yeah, we usually find the body like and then you.
Just see their eyes like lookinglike.
Yeah, OK. And plus she got that note at
the end too and it was like an invite to a parties.
Yeah, I mean she is fucked up mentally.
Well, she sounded. Pretty good to go have fun with
Ray. She was like calling him that.

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What did Ray do? Bro, he's a simple Fisher.
You know, like Ray, he didn't really do anything good.
Bad job. He hit a guy, but he became a
fisherman. He was going to go to New York.
What was he going to do in New York?
Does anybody know what he probably?
Be a fisherman in New York. Work the docks in New York.
Get that cocaine money. I thought he was going to meet

(01:03:13):
some shaved head goth girl with tattoos.
He's going. To go off and you're.
Going to fall for some head shaving, black wearing, tattoo
covered. Body piercing philosophy
student. That sounds attractive.
Yeah. He was.
That sounds hot. Like you can't just you go to
New York City and then what? Like what do you do?
My hot take is I think that thisis good that this movie followed

(01:03:37):
Scream because I think if this one had.
Been wouldn't have gotten me. Yeah, I think if this one had
been picked up first, it wouldn't have got what Scream
did, because Scream had a more original story, obviously more
iconic killer. And I think it helped this one
actually becomes successful because in the marketing and the
poster for I Know What You Did Last summer, they had the

(01:03:58):
specific quotes from the creatorof Screen, which ended up
getting backlash because they were thinking that it was Wes
Craven. So.
Wes. Craven Studios, you know, we're
trying to get them to take it off.
But I mean, I, that's my hot take.
I think it really helps in the success of this.
I have a hot take. Yeah.
It's a very simple one. They they had the cast from the

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live action Scooby-doo. They should have just had them.
Yeah, Ben Willis should have hadsome type of real estate goal in
that he didn't want the pier to get dredged because.
No, I mean like. They would have brought.
In replace Barry Doris, Ryan Phillippi with Skeet Ulrich.
Oh. You know, and then get the
check. Who played Thelma?
Linda Cardellini there to replace Jennifer Love Hewitt.

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Yeah. So who?
Who would have been Shaggy Barry?
Yeah, so that would Barry, Matthew Lillard.
Oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah.
So Matthew Lillard and Skeet Ulrich would be back together
again. Well, that's what Dan was
saying. Skeet, Aldridge together.
I think he might, Matthew. LILLARD, OH.
My God, who would play the? Dog who would play Scooby?
Who plays Scooby? Would be Ray.

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Can I say my hot tick? Yeah.
What's your hot? I think one of the kills should
have been with a chainsaw because, you know, I've had a
chainsaw. All right, Nathan, we're on to
Hall of Slain. Our Hall of Slain are characters

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that have died in the movies that we watch that would help us
get through and survive a horrormovie because we are the final
girl. Are there any characters from I
Know What You Did Last Summer that you would like to nominate
into the Hall of? Slain.
I would like to nominate the sister from the store, Elsa,
because she could help us study.No, no, no, no, no.

(01:05:49):
She don't watch her back, she don't walk her back doors.
Get her the hell out. She knows what Fairclaw.
Said she can help us study. She also knows Kung Fu.
She also knows Kung Fu. You don't.
Want to bring her in? No, she didn't walk her back
door. Someone said that's a good

(01:06:09):
thing. Whoa.
Nick, Dan, you got to ask. My God.
Take a vow, Sir. You can take.
Your You can take your victory lap that.
Was a good one. You can take your victory lap
and get the hell out. We could have Buffy the Vampire
Slayer in the hall of. We got to bring Helen Shivers

(01:06:30):
in. She do.
She would be our beauty queen. She didn't.
Even notice someone in the closet?
No. The film detective.
I don't want to see him where your.
Instagram model? Wait, no, we didn't get the
Instagram model. We got Tina from at least Logan
but he wouldn't vote in the I amnot.
I will say this right now, I am not voting anybody in because I

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can easily see the challenges that we will have with the
separate characters. Helen didn't even notice there's
a guy in a closet and then she didn't even feel him clipping
her hair. Like I'm sorry bro, I'm waking
the hell up. Well, I mean, all of these
people have made fatal flaws. You don't end up in the Hall of
Slain if you've got all the right moves.
No, I don't think so. I think everyone that I voted in

(01:07:14):
has made the right moves. That's true.
I think we should bring Helen inbecause she could be the
official Mouse of Madness Beautyqueen.
Come on. That's I'll vote for Helen.
Yeah, me too. All right, Logan, come on.
Bring no for me dog. What?
It's got to be unanimous. Screw you, Nathan.
Override him. I hereby declare.
Logan is overruled. Helen shivers.

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Welcome to the Hall of Slaves. Gavel sound you can put.
Him in your own halls, but I'm we're not saying.
We're the mouse man. This is the mouse man is in
Logan. Fine all.
God, there's nobody. Buffy the Vampire Slayer isn't
Buffy. She's Helen.

(01:07:55):
Think about her in this The Miles of Man, his swimsuit.
OK chill bro, chill. We.
Got like 3% female audience members and the people from
Canada. They'll also agree with us.
They want I. Mean, I just.
I just don't know how you pass up on having Buffy the Vampire
Slayer in your home. We don't.
Need Buffy? We have.
We have the Frog Brothers. That's even better.

(01:08:15):
Overrid you. I hope.
I was going to say, this is going to have to.
We have the Frog Brothers and Tim Capella.
We don't need Helen. You have the Frog Brothers.
We have Tim Capella. I'm connected.
Our whole This is an annex. I'm not split off from you guys.

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You're off the island, it's timefor hook, line and stinker.
Our hook is our favorite kill ofthe movie, our line is our
favorite line or quote in the movie, and our stinker is
something funny, awful or weird that happens that makes the

(01:09:08):
movie either better or worse. My hook is Max, get in the hook.
I love the scene of of we talkedabout it where it's Chegov's
hook. It is in the ice, then it's
missing. And then I love kind of the fog
or smoke that's back there from I guess boiling crabs.
And then we see the fisherman for the first time.

(01:09:30):
Think it's an iconic shot. Love him getting hooked through
the gullet there and then dragged.
Liked all that. My line.
Logan kind of touched on it earlier.
Barry, Oh, you got a letter? I got run over, Helen gets her
hair chopped off, Julie gets a body in a trunk, and you get a
letter that's balanced, that's balanced.
I just love that Barry is my boyin this.

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He's an asshole, but a lovable asshole, and he looks good in
his little white white rich boy.Ryan sweaters I'm sad that I'm
just glad that Ryan Phil hasn't been hasn't been more because I
he was a really good actor and he was really good in that
movie. Way of the gun.
Did you guys? Yeah, Was that with Benicio del
Toro? Yeah, with Benicio del Toro,
like he plays like a real badassin that movie, and it's one of

(01:10:15):
my favorite insults of all time.You better.
You better shut your mouth or all fuck start your head.
Like I remember that. Holy shit.
Yeah, well, yeah, I don't know about, I don't know about him
coming back. Oh, why did he do something bad?
I think he had like some domestic there's rumors, like
rumors, oh, allegations. Oh, I.

(01:10:39):
Didn't I didn't know any of that, but.
I could be wrong. My stinker is kind of what we
touched on a lot in this episode.
The mystery and the killer angleare a bit convoluted.
The Aunt Haish scenes in particular are my stinker.
Like I just I didn't like them. I think she.
Did the best that she could withthem.

(01:11:00):
No, no, Aunt Haish is great. It's not that like they're all
good. I mean, it's just, it just felt
unnecessary and they felt different than the movie.
Yeah. So that's my stinker.
Dan, how about you? My hook is Leonard.
I mean Max's death. It's the only kill in this movie
that stands out the most for me.The reveal of the fisherman

(01:11:22):
character, the brutal hook shot to the head and then dragging
him off with it. Hell of an introduction which
they carried that momentum line.Also a Barry quote.
You know what? You.
Did last summer. Oh, what a crock of shit.
What a crock of shit. I agree.
Barry Stinker. Ray, no one gets me the way you

(01:11:42):
do. I understand your pain.
I understand. Your pain.
This is anti cinema. My guy, she thought you were the
killer 15 minutes ago. She was about to report you,
send you down the river man theyhad.
Now she understands your pain. Such a great romance at Dawson's

(01:12:06):
Beach. Did you get that too?
Dawson, Bear claw all. Right.
So my hook was the one with the tires on.
Yeah. That was one of the only ones
that I thought really showed thebrutality of the fish hook.
And just like him really going to town and like, even though,
like, there was literally a marching band going by the stack

(01:12:27):
of tires. So like the fact that nobody saw
anything was was a little bit unplausible, but whatever it was
definitely the most like you could really see the anger in
the fishermen at that. And like you could it was more
it gave the that scene in my mind, gave the killer more color
than most of the rest of the movie.

(01:12:47):
I have two lines. I have Helen.
What happened between us? We used to be best friends.
We used to be a lot of. Things we used to be a lot of
things. The one of the aspects of this
movie I did appreciate was like that post high school lifestyle
of like what have we become overtime and like growing up.
I don't know. I thought that was kind of
useful. My second one is Ben Willis in

(01:13:08):
some kind of Trouble time. Yes, yeah, I'm in a lot of
trouble. It's a shame being it's 4th of
July and all kids like you should be out having fun,
drinking, partying, running people over, getting away with
murder. Things like that.
Getting away with murder, thingslike that.

(01:13:30):
My thing is is they should have either taken out the mystery or
actually had a mystery and like imagine if Ben Willis had just
been the protagonist from like the the get go.
Something like AI don't know, almost like a Cape Fear kind of
thing where you're like you knowwho the bad guy is like, but you
can't do anything about it. And like it's one of those
things where he's like I'm the guy that you ran over and

(01:13:51):
killed. And if you guys say anything
about me being alive or anythinglike that, then you know, I'll
just tell the police what happened.
So you have to deal with me. And then he like, intrudes on
their life and like makes their lives worse and they can't say
anything about it until he starts killing them right off
the hook. That's like a better story.
And that leads to my stinker of I don't understand why this

(01:14:11):
movie was so popular. I mean, I guess I get the All
Star cast. The acting was really great.
The script I thought was pretty weak.
It's just like a less fun Scream.
When I compare and contrast thisto Scream and how much fun I had
watching Scream and how little fun I had watching this, it just
kind of was like rang A dull tone for me.
So that's my stinker. All right, Logan.

(01:14:31):
My hook is Max's death via hook.Really good.
My line, I have two Julie, I really hate this.
You're going to go off and you're going to.
Fall for some head shaving blackwearing.
Tattoo. Covered.
Body. Piercing philosophy student.
That sounds attractive. Sounds attractive.
And then my other line is Julie,we need.
Help. Yeah, I'll say you know what?

(01:14:51):
You guys should check out a mirror once in a while.
You 2 look like shit. Run over twice.
You're a prick. And then my stinkers, Max.
Just the entire character, Max, he's a weirdo.
He's just creepy as hell. As soon as he shows up, after
they like hit that dude, I was just like, oh God, we got to
listen to more of this guy. And then he came back after like

(01:15:12):
20 minutes more and I'm like, Ohmy God, will you let us leave?
And then as soon as he died, I was like, God, this movie is
great because they knew I hated this guy.
And they're just like, don't worry, we got you.
They're like, hold on, let us cook.
For me, I actually, I know it's kind of simple, but I like the
letter with the I know what you did last summer.

(01:15:34):
Yeah, that was creepy. I think it's just kind of iconic
and like if you got that letter,you'd be like, fuck.
Especially if you did something last summer and you're like, oh
shit, somebody knows. Yeah, right.
Well, we're on to our final rating.
They're. Gonna rent the movie.
Where will they rent the movie? The killer is.
Great. The victim sucks, the survivor

(01:15:56):
is in between. What was that?
Our final rating system is Killer.
It's our highest rating. It's awesome.
We would highly recommend and itis a must watch.
Survivor is our middle tier. It was a good movie we would
probably recommend and has some rewatch ability.

(01:16:17):
And finally, The Dreaded Victim,it's our lowest rating.
It's a bad movie we do not recommend and has no rewatch
ability. For me, I feel like I'm going to
be alone in this and I wasn't this way to begin.
This is a killer for me. I really enjoyed my watch this
time. You know, everyone's talked
about kind of the things I don'tlike about it, and I agree with
you all, But I had fun. And I think this is a slasher

(01:16:41):
that is a good watch for the summer.
Yeah. I don't think the fisherman's as
iconic as like, Ghostface or some of the other ones, but I
think there's more to go on there.
And I really liked the gill angle that they played on and
how you would react in these situations.
They tried to do something different with the mystery
thing. It didn't work out, I don't

(01:17:01):
think the best, but that's OK because I was involved and
invested in it. And at the end of the day, I
think that this doesn't live up to Scream.
Scream is Scream and this is, I know what you did last summer
and that's OK. I think I know what you did last
summer should be kind of considered up there in one of
the best horror movies of the late 90s.

(01:17:22):
And especially because I think it's important.
Scream was the first to bring back the genre to a big level.
But I think I know what you did last summer came out and showed
the studios and the audience that horror was back.
It was like the validation for it all.
And I think that's why it's important.
So that's why I'm giving it a killer.
Dan, how about you? Well.
I'm going full heel on this. I'm giving this movie a victim.

(01:17:45):
There's a much better version ofthis that's actually fun with
good characters that you want tocheer for.
There aren't a lot of good killsin this movie either.
There isn't enough gore or effects for my ideal slasher
flick and overall I find the fishermen to be a weak killer.
I feel like this movie rides on the successive scream in the
name Kevin Williams that helped launch the careers of the main

(01:18:07):
cast due to great with what theyhad for characters.
I don't really it holds up well in today's modern age.
The actions of the characters and the town's aloofness all
feel like a fever dream. Where they live and I wanted to
bring this up earlier when you're talking about the opening
scene. Where they live to me also
doesn't make sense. This movie was shot between

(01:18:28):
North Carolina and California onlike 2 separate coasts.
And to me, like I kept trying tobe like where the fuck does this
take place? It's like a fishing town but
then it also has rolling hills and then somehow it has some
sort of backwoods country thing going where Anne Hache lives.
Like what is this place? Drove me nuts.

(01:18:51):
It was very distracting for me. I mean I I wouldn't recommend
this one. I I get what you're saying.
Like it helped make a statement that like the style of horror
movie that Kevin Williams wrote,it had staying power.
And I I think that is a good note.
But like, for me, like, it's just, it ain't it.
That's a no for me, dog. I wouldn't recommend it.

(01:19:12):
I I don't find anything really memorable or iconic about it.
It's late 90's pop culture. A nostalgia footnote in that, to
me, is how I look at it. Bear Claw.
I'm going to join Dan here in that this being a victim because
it's given me a mystery I can't solve and it's not fun.
I mean, it's hard for me to recommend this as even a

(01:19:35):
survivor because I would think of, you know, somebody who I
would recommend this to and you know, with things that make it
to the survivor tier, I can usually think of two or three
people I would recommend the movie to, but I don't I don't
know who I would recommend this movie for my worst enemy.
You know, I don't know that it'snecessarily like odious.
It's like it's just not good. I don't see it as a competently

(01:19:57):
put together. Like there's just a lot that
that's going on. The mystery I can't.
Can't solve or or look back at myself and say, oh, I guessed it
here. Like I just think that kind of
really takes away a lot of the movie.
And then there wasn't fun kills and the killer wasn't
interesting even. That's why it falls as a victim
just because it's just kind of blonde.

(01:20:19):
I think there's gonna be a lot of people who this is very
nostalgic for and I think that'sgood.
And and I think if this is nostalgia for you, there's
plenty of things that I like that are bad that are nostalgia
driven as well. But just coming at this, not
having nostalgic because I didn't see it in 1997, I would,
you know, it's a victim for me. All right, Logan.
Is there any mystery movie in horror that works besides like

(01:20:44):
Scream? The original Scream can name 1.
Can you There's? So many movies, Logan.
You like your name 1. You're putting me on the spot.
No. You didn't have someone in 15
seconds. Well, I mean, you could argue
Psycho was kind of a mystery, I would say.
I think that's kind of. AI think in my mind I'm like

(01:21:05):
this obviously did not do as good as it.
Should I would consider the thing kind of like a?
Thing is a mystery, My Bloody Valentine, because you don't
know who Henry Warden is. There's a few of them.
There's. A few I think like this.
One away camp I. Think this is probably very weak

(01:21:25):
on like a mystery horror, but I think it's really high in like a
slasher for me. I'm going to have to give this a
killer. I really do love this movie.
I will definitely rewatch this movie because I actually did
enjoy it. As far as like the plot itself,
yeah, there were times where I think there were a couple
problems, like, especially with,like, certain things that they

(01:21:46):
did. But at the same time, I'm like,
yeah. But they had to fill that time
with trying to get you to think of, like, different characters.
They tried to give you like, these red herrings and these
different characters that you could think of who it is, but
it's not exactly them. And then, yeah, they did that
complete, like, out of left field like thing with like the
father being the killer. If you like go into the movie,

(01:22:08):
obviously you wouldn't expect that because it's so out of,
like, it's so out of your mind that you're not even thinking
about it. But I think that's why I like
it, because I wasn't expecting it.
And it did take me by surprise alot of the things in this movie
did. I think the kills were all
really effective and they got, like a really good pop out of
me. Like I think everything just
really hit for me. The characters themselves.

(01:22:29):
I love the characters because like in the beginning of the
movie they're such assholes thatI'm like, oh, so this is all
going to fall down like a House of Cards.
And like even like 1st 20 minutes in, you can see they're
down on their luck. Like they're not like doing good
except for like Barry, but like,yeah, you know, he's rich.
But like Ray now he's a fisherman who's like down his
luck. Helen's like working at her

(01:22:50):
family store. Jennifer Love Hewitt's
characters like still traumatized.
Like that's just, I think that'sreally good how they painted the
characters like in a different life from where they were in the
beginning of the movie and then made them like go on this kind
of different character arc throughout the move.
Finding out that their entire life just changed based on one
night, based on one bad experience.

(01:23:11):
And it just shit hit the fan like right from there.
I think that's like the moment in the movie where I was like,
this is where we get and. In the end, it turned out that
they're actually heroes. That's the most important.
That makes sense if you're goingto do a sequel because you don't
want them to leave off with that.
Like we still have that hanging over our heads now.
It's like now we know we were like we didn't do we didn't we

(01:23:34):
didn't kill him or we didn't like necessarily do the wrong
thing. And the cops aren't really after
us right now. So we can kind of rest and then
and the ending kind of makes them feel like you're never,
you're never safe. I like that in a movie where
you're kind of like expecting everyone to have a happy ending
and at the end it's like, hell no.
We're in kind of opposite ends. I like how me and Logan, through

(01:23:55):
all the flaws, see the good and love this.
It's kind of like my love for Barry in this.
Well, it's kind of like an essaylike you give your little, like,
you know, you got to have your rebuttal there like kind of at
the end where you're kind of like, yeah, I know the flaws,
but you oversee that based on the entertainment value for
sure. Nathan, our producer, gave his
rating and he said I know what you did last summer as a fun and

(01:24:17):
decently made slasher, but not much more.
Everything about it is done well, but nothing is done
exceptionally. Survivor.
We also asked you, our audience,what your thoughts were on I
Know What You did Last Summer. So let's check our Instagram.
And that's at miles dot dot madness from Natalie under score

(01:24:37):
may under score. It's a classic and a must see if
you're a lover of slashers from 321 ghost pod killer.
We got another one log from K under score Scanlon 653 still
enjoyable but certainly has its flaws from Harley Quinn 1913.
I thought it was very scream like mixed with a urban legends

(01:25:00):
vibe but still good. From Aluiska.
Not bad but def not my favorite.From Kate.
L-45678. Fun slasher, a little cringy at
times and the plot is confusing as fuck.
Just justice for Helen. Yeah, yeah.

(01:25:21):
But we got her in our hall of Slain right Log.
Yeah, I mean. You guys got her?
I ain't, I ain't put her in there.
I need you to realize shit man, I can't have you going around
not realizing stuff. I like that you put corn as the
song for those. Yeah, it was in the, it was in
the soundtrack. The soundtrack is kind of like a

(01:25:42):
Little Mix. It's all over the place, we.
Kind of like the soundtrack. Review of these movies.
Yeah, the soundtrack's all over the place.
We'll do that next time for. It has Our Lady piece which I
love Clumsy, but we don't hear clumsy in the the movie.
Maybe end credit, Yeah, maybe credits.
I don't know. From BJ Mum Jumbo, it's his day.

(01:26:02):
Yeah, yeah. That could have been a line.
From dissect that film pod, it'sa fine slashers, especially with
Williamson's writing. Nostalgia definitely plays a big
part in my enjoyment of the movie, but overall, for me, it's
going to be a survivor. I don't go back to this one
often because the kills are not that memorable and the
characters, with the exception of Jennifer Love Hewitt and

(01:26:24):
Sarah Michelle Gellar, are forgettable.
I'm still looking forward to theLegacy sequel.
See, I feel like that would be my position and had I seen this
movie, I feel like mine would have at least bumped up to a
survivor with a had with a had nostalgia and I don't know, a
lot of people seem to like this as a slasher movie, but like,
there's so few kills and they'renot.

(01:26:45):
Yeah, I hear you. I mean, Halloween day had many
kills, had three kills. Yeah, but like, you know, like
they're, they're twisted and Michael Myers is.
We found a We found a little bitof a problem there.
Very good. I think it's pretty.
Much the same, like just to killa bunch of people and.
Yeah, for sure. I get you.
We. Try to kill people in this one

(01:27:05):
too. Out of the darkness productions
I have great nostalgia for this movie and I would say I think
it's a pretty solid slasher movie coming off the success of
scream and it very much has a little bit of that flavor to it
how could it not being written by Kevin Williamson.
I would give this a killer another one log we're.
Headed to the list. Twisted soul mates podcast

(01:27:27):
killer nostalgia every time we watch classic 90 slasher.
Well, thank you so much for yourcomments.
We really appreciate hearing your thoughts on the movies that
we review. Before we end the episode, we
want to embrace the madness and let you all know what we've been
up to. I just watched Silent Hill for
Straitjacket talk this past week.
It's been a while since I've seen that movie.

(01:27:50):
Have you guys seen that before? Yeah, is.
This the one with Sean Bean in it, yes.
OK. Yeah, I didn't seen it since
like $2.00. I'm gonna say I don't think I
saw. I saw in theaters, I think, but
I that was the last time and I had not played the video games
by that point. So some of it was very confusing
and awkward for me, but. Yeah, I I never played the video
games. Also, I've gone down quite the

(01:28:12):
YouTube rabbit hole lately. Oh man, Oh no.
In our footsteps. I have discovered the Holy Grail
of horror movies, it's called London After Midnight.
Have you ever heard about this movie?
No, go on. So it's stars LON Chaney.
Directed by Todd Browning. It's from 1927 silent film 1 of
LON Chaney's last movies, The Man with 1000 Faces.

(01:28:33):
It was pretty iconic in the factthat LON Chaney plays dual roles
in it. He plays a detective and he
plays a character called the Manwith the Beaver Hat, which is a
very vampire inspired makeup. This character would become
legendary because they wouldn't go on to inspire characters like
the Babadook. It would go on to inspire

(01:28:54):
characters like the Grabber fromthe Black Phone and also it
would inspire the Hatbox Goes from the Haunted Mansion.
What ended up happening is probably no, nobody alive has
seen this film because it got destroyed in a fire at MGM
Studios in 1965. All we have left are the stills
from the movie and the script. So I went down this big YouTube

(01:29:18):
rabbit hole. Like people have done AI videos
of this, I guess in 2022, TurnerClassic Movies put together like
the stills with like music and according to the script to try
to redo it. But it's considered the Holy
Grail because like it's taken onthis, it's like it's.
Matt Mythos. Yeah, it's, it's missing.

(01:29:39):
There's a bunch of things like where this film could be.
Now we're going to find that he has it right.
The other big thing with this movie is in 1928, a guy killed a
woman and said that the man withthe Beaver hat from the movie
came to him in visions and told him to kill this woman.
So it's kind of like one of the first pieces of evidence in

(01:29:59):
history of somebody blaming a horror movie for killing.
So it's kind of, well, like, youknow, Scream would make it
known, you know, like movies create psychopaths or whatever.
But this was like the first caseof it happening.
And my last bit of knowledge is the contemporary movie poster
sold for the highest amount of money any movie posters ever

(01:30:22):
sold for. It sold for $478,000 to Kirk
Hammett of Metallica in 2014. That's like trader like
heart-shaped box. Crazy stuff.
I'll have to check it out. Yeah, go down the rabbit hole.
Let me know. And if you're listening out
there, if you have any information, let us know.
Letmeknowroom@outlook.com for sure.

(01:30:44):
Or on Instagram for sure, 'causeI'm into this movie I would love
to find. If I had endless money, I'd go
on a search for this, I told. You we should make it.
Happen. They say that there was a ton of
movies in Hollywood that there'sno original prints for because
all the prints like they used tobe filmed on this very flammable
stock. Yeah, for sure.
I. Went up like a.

(01:31:05):
And that's what happened in thisfire.
They lost a bunch of other movies too, but this is like the
one that's talked about the most.
I want to pitch an idea of just finding all the old movies that
no one has ever like made a copyof or no one's ever seen again.
Well, usually to like theaters will keep a copy or like, you
know, they have. So it there's rumors that's out

(01:31:27):
there for sure. Dan, how about you?
What have you been up to? I completed Succession.
Oh and Squid Game season 3. I binge watch succession.
It took me about a week to get through it and I was so happy
with the outcome because I was texting with with bear claw
about it. Like my my predictions as to who
is gonna end up being like the head of the media firm.

(01:31:50):
And I was right like on the 1st guest.
Wow, like. Wow.
They take you for this ride? Yeah.
And you never, like, two or three episodes after I said
that, I was like, there's no waythis character is gonna end up
doing what I think they're gonnado.
And then they end up doing it. And I was like, holy shit,
that's great, all of that. And Squid Game season 3 was only
like 7 episodes, took some interesting twists.

(01:32:11):
I was kind of a little let down by the ending.
It kind of feels like it takes away from the first two seasons
and what it was supposed to likerepresent or what the main
character was supposed to represent.
And then, I don't know. We were talking about this a
while ago too, where they're nowleaning into a Americanized

(01:32:32):
version of Squid Game. That's all the challenges and
stuff like that, yeah. It's like they pick up shop from
South Korea and they end up moving to America is kind of
where they leave it. And so I think there's going to
be more to come. When there's money to be made,
yeah, show will be created. The way it goes, it's always how
it goes. Especially when Netflix Jesus

(01:32:53):
Christ. I have been recently diving back
into the world of Diablo, which is a fun video game.
It's very horror themed video game because you're all going
through all these dungeons fighting the beasts of hell.
It's kind of a fun game. It was on the PlayStation Pass
this month. It was a pretty good one to to
get. So as I've been playing that a

(01:33:13):
little bit and I've been excited.
I played through 2 and through three and now I'm on to four.
I haven't played the original, but I guess it's pretty old.
So but yeah, just been working through that and enjoying it.
So that's what I've been, that'swhat I've been up to.
Logan, what have you been up to?I will say I will agree with Mr.
Dan here. I think Squid Game season 3
definitely let me down. I watched that in like couple,

(01:33:37):
couple hours. Like I just wanted to get
through it because first episodeand I was already kind of like
disappointed. It was all right, nothing crazy.
I kind of expected it to not be great because the last couple
see shows that kind of finished up I hated the ending for and I
was kind of expecting it to not go my way, which is fine.

(01:33:57):
So that same week ish, same man season 2 came out.
I liked it a lot more than season 1.
I got to say I think same man season 2, it surprised me.
It was very goofy compared to season 1.
Like season 1 took itself very serious and this season was kind
of more goofy and more like it was more exciting.
I think was what it was more adventurous.

(01:34:18):
That's why I think like that show is going to get like really
good as it starts to close up shop.
And then finally got to talk about it last Friday.
I got it day of tickets to Superman Cinema.
It was really good, really exciting.
Everything I want it to be in one complete package.
It was like a comic book being like presented to me on screen.

(01:34:40):
It was so fun. You ever have like one of those
movies where you come out of like the theater and you're just
very happy or kind of like fulfilled?
Yeah, that just like I just feltvery fulfilled, like right there
and there where I was like, man,that was great.
Like I didn't have any notes. I was just like.
It was so much fun. Been a long time for me for that
feeling. Yeah, that's awesome when you.
We're gonna go. We're gonna go see Superman, see

(01:35:02):
if it happens. All I see is Bear Claw has a
picture of the man with the Bieber.
God damn it, Bear claw, you better not have.
Those dreams, it's. Freaking me out.
Oh God, no wonder he's scared. That's like Danny DeVito,
Penguin. Actually they said the Penguin
and also Danny DeVito Penguin isbased on.
That's like the Illuminati. He looks like Jekyll and Hyde.

(01:35:25):
Presentation, too, he does. Yeah, I'm telling you, if you
have, if you have time, go down the YouTube Bravo.
Yeah, I'm. Good.
I'm pretty happy right now and. Also kind of has like the druge
like the bowler hat. Yeah, yeah, it's creepy.
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(01:36:10):
the padded room@outlook.com and let him know if you've seen the
new I Know What You Did Last Summer in theaters yet.
Yeah, let me know, how does it compare, How do their children
do against the similar challenges of vehicular
manslaughter? And themselves, Oh man, that
does it for our review on I KnowWhat You Did Last Summer.

(01:36:31):
But we'll be back soon with a new episode and we're going to
be reviewing my pick, Final Destination from 2000.
Join us as the Summer of Madness2025 rolls on.
Oh man, I'm feeling paranoid right now.
You hear that at the door? Who is that?
Oh my. Goodness, what is that?
Jesus man, I'm already paranoid enough.

(01:36:52):
You open it, Kevin. Yeah.
Yeah, you do it. I'm behind little.
They know. Oh my God.
Oh, my God. It's Nathan.
What are you doing here? Doing it.
Wait a minute, are you the one that knows?
Are you the person we hit with our car?
Did you write these letters? Have you been sending us this
information? What's going on?
How did you find out about? This guys listen I'm.

(01:37:12):
Just here to join the Summer of Madness and give a little bit of
exposition about what's going onin this episode.
Is this really needed? Yes.
And no, yes and no. So as you know, I'm the editor
of this podcast, which means that, yes, I know everything and
so does the audience. And even if they didn't, it's
all recorded so that they can goback and listen to it.

(01:37:36):
Yeah, Yeah. But just to let you know, you
did hit the audience with your car, no?
Not our audience. No, it can't be.
Our audience can't. Be.
No, no, What are you waiting for?
What are you waiting for? Can I do my own?

(01:38:16):
What are you going to do, MissusMack?
Oh no, not Missus Mack.

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