41. Final Destination

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Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you doing this
afternoon? What's up?
Have you guys seen Dan around anywhere?
No, I haven't seen him anywhere.I I got up early this morning
and the sun was beaten and I thought Dan would be ready to go
here, but I guess not. Where is.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
We are at the Maven in the woodsand I think Dan's been out in

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that shed. I think he's been out there all
night. Guys, I was gonna say, where is
that coming from? Let's let's head outside.
What's the best Hey Gate gang? I don't know.
I saw Dan, He kind of had a little bit of a crazy look in
his eye. He might be getting Maven fever.
So if he's got anything sharp inhis hands, best to, you know,
keep your distance if you get what I'm saying.
If he's foaming at the mouth, weshould probably stare distance.

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Yeah, OK, let's go check it. Let's go see what he's up to.
So. You are.

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You don't know what that is be. Very free.
Welcome to the madness. We are the Mouths of Madness,
your new favorite podcast for horror movie reviews.
We're coming to you Live Today from well outside the Mad Men in

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the woods in the. The shed by the Mad Men in the.
Woods. The shed of darkness.
Dang. Well, this is our episode 41 on
the 2000 Final Destination. My name is Kevin, and let me
introduce you to the other members of Madness first.
Dan. Dan, what's?
Going on explain the situation to me guys, it's it's it's been

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a rough week. What Sunday, Sunday he he took
Theo from from the Cosby Show and and Tuesday the Prince of
Darkness and now Thursday he took the Hulkster?
This guy. Yeah, I mean, we're all, we're
all grieving. Yeah, I know.
But this this. Guy.
Who is he? This, this death guy is a real

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asshole. And I've, I've devised a very,
very, I've been working on it for the last 48 hours, a very,
very invasive and elaborate planfor all of us to cheat death and
hold it as our prisoner and demand he return whoever we
want. Whoever.
Anybody. Really.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Macho.
Yeah. Hey, guys, back up a little bit.
You guys, you guys want to see, you want you want to see the

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machine that I got. I, I, I, I've been working on
it. I can go through it with you
guys really, really quick. OK.
Yeah, sure, man. All right, all.
Right. So check this out.
Check out. So it starts with it starts with
this, this EMF meter, it's program, it's programmed to
relay this switch which will activate when death has entered
the Mabin. Hey, hey.
Dan, quick question. Yeah, quick question.

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You OK buddy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just let me get through this really quick.
Let me get through this and thenyou can judge me later and you
can call me. I'm going to take all you want.
Trust me, this is going to. Work.
Oh, I will. Which which triggers this boot
to knock over this cup with a steel marble in it.
The marble will roll down this chute here and knock over this
pole which will release these pheromones into barian Sims
terrarium. They're passionate boning
trigger this temperature sensor which which is related to this

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Bunsen burger I want. To know how he got the
pheromones and. I want to know how he got Barian
Sims. So don't worry.
Details, details. You, you let me get through
this. Let me let me get through this
which so this Bunsen burner right when it activates, it will
burn this rope releasing this locked door, freeing a man.
I'm glad there's open flame in all of this, but I I got to say,

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maybe we got to God. Damn it, will you let me get to
the the best fucking part maybe.We got to pump the brakes a
little bit here. There is.
I have been feeding this man who's been locked in this room
enchiladas for 72 hours. He will immediately run into
this bathroom over here. Damn enchiladas and death will.
Follow somebody really down there is there?

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They're in the Toilet is bugged with a decibel reader when
reaching 200 decibels will trigger this ecto trap capturing
which will then transfer death into this bluey plus.
Can't get over the human prison.Should we let him out or?
Wait a minute, Bluey plushy? What?
Yeah. I think we.
Passed that, it's a bluey plushy.
It's the most pure wholesomeness, sturdiest vessel

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that can contain death. It is.
It's so. It's perfect.
It's the most perfect plan. It will work.
It's gonna work. I have been testing this out for
the last two days. It's it's.
I will give it back to you once we get death in it.
Yeah, it's all right, man. You guys can hold on to that

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afterwards. You should probably.
Keep it. Whatever.
Yeah. And I don't know what you've
been doing in here or what you've been doing today, that
bluey, but yeah, it's OK, dude. You know, this is on the House.
Now that I've seen all this, there is a morbid curiosity of
let's maybe throw the slip to see what this thing does.
So everything is rigged up and good to go.
I've run several trials. Again, it's a flawless design.

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Demon has been on a diet, like Isaid, of enchiladas for 72 hours
straight. That decibel sensor will clear
200 decibels. All we have to do is just start
the show. No one fuck with anything and
you just wait for death to. Show up, All right, Okay, that
seems simple. Not you say so like you're on
your Charlie Day shit. There are a lot of other great

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horror movie podcasts out there,but what separates us from the
other ones, besides being crazy,is that we're going to be giving
you the older versus younger generation perspective.
Myself, Dan, and Bear Claw were all born in the 1980s, while my
son Logan was born in the 2000s.So this is the Clash of the
generations. Without any further ado, get off

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the airplane. Pull up a chair, hold on to your
straight jacket. Tight, but not too tight, and
let's dive into the madness. I think it's broken.
We watched Final Destination from 2000.
It was written by Glenn Morgan, Jeffrey Reddick and James Wong.
It was also directed by James Wong.

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Casting wise friend of the podcast Devin Sawa is Alex
Browning. This was cool to see Devin.
He was kind of a classic actor of the 90s.
Oh yes, right. Growing up.
He did a great job in this movietoo.
It's kind of cool. His last name in this is
Browning, as a nod to Todd Browning, the director who did
Dracula and the movie. I talked about the other

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podcast, London After Midnight. We also have Ali Larder as
Claire Rivers. Do you know what she's best
known for? Resident Evil Hero resident.
Yes, I was looking for whipped cream bikini and varsity Blues

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cinema log. Never seen it.
We also have Kerr Smith as Carter.
Do you know what he's best knownfor?
Carter, I don't. I don't think I've seen him in
anything else. If you watch Dawsons Creek, you
would have. He was in the awesome screen.
OK. He was also in the My Bloody
Valentine remake in 2009 as well.
We have Sean William Scott as Billy Hitchcock.

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Yeah. The comedic relief.
Listen, he had an awesome year, 2000.
Yeah, he did. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. He starred in three movies.
Besides Final Destination, can you name the other two?
American Pie. Nope.
Rundown Road trip? Nope. close Road trip.
Rd. Trips.
One. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.
Do you know what the other one is dude?
My car. Yes.

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Yeah, finally. So this dude killed every movie
role, so I know every single onethat he's done.
Hey Log, what's your back say? Dude.
What's my Oh my goodness. And we also have an amazing
cameo by Tony Todd. Yeah, as as the mortician there,

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Bloodworth or something like that.
The Candy Man himself was in the.
Last time I saw him he was hanging out with the bees and.
Stuff Final Destination had a budget of $23 million.
Do you know how much it made at the box office?
This was a big movie, and it's today.
You know what? I'm going $101 million.
Whoa. Logan was so specific.

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I know. I love the one.
I'm gonna go. No, you know what?
Dan's gonna get me. I know he's gonna get me.
Oh God, I gotta go bigger than vertical.
Oh shit. I.
Mean you don't have to necessarily, yeah.
Bigger. I know it's bigger 108.
Damn it, that was actually mine,no.
It. Shouldn't be mine OK.
Fine, fine. I'm fixing mine 100.

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No, no, keep your 108. But I just want to see see it's.
I haven't. Got he has 108.
OK, I'm changing. Mine 100 feet in $1.00.
Ding Ding Ding Ding Dan. Final Destination made $112.9
million, so I. Was right.

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It was over $100 million. Yeah, it did really well, yeah.
Dan goes first next. Time, you know, if you're within
a, if you're within $1000, you win both showcases.
Oh nice. What do you get?
Can't wait to get a. Can't wait to get a Vespa.

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And a brand new vacuum cleaner. Demon on the back right in it.
Currently on Rotten Tomatoes, Final Destination has a 49%
critic score and a 68% audience score.
Our buddy Roger Ebert, OH. Boy.
You guys are going to like shocked he gave this movie 3 out

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of four stars. Wow.
All right. He Said has more dent humor,
Rube Goldberg death traps and sophomoric but earnest
discussions of fate. Also, an opening sequence that
assures this film will never ever be shown on an airplane.

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First you're going to go to Earnest Saves Christmas or
something. When you're going to Earnest,
I've never heard. The most truthful thing Ebert
said in his. Review so far.
Well, I don't know. He's said some pretty good
thing. This was actually a good review
for him. I, I agree with him.
This was my pick for an episode.So the reason why I chose Final
Destination for us to review is the newer Final Destination had

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just come out bloodlines and it kind of sparked this thing in me
where I was like, hmm, when was the last time I saw the original
Final Destination? It'd been a while.
I probably haven't seen this since the year 2000.
I've. Never.
I've never. I haven't seen this movie
period. This is my first time seeing.
It yeah that's awesome cuz I gotta be honest, there was

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things that I remember from whenI saw this years ago, but it was
kind of a first time watch for me as well.
I will say I love like the late 90s, early 2000s vibe of the
movie and Oh yeah. What they're wearing, like their
dialogues. Yeah.
Like that. And just the tone, I think
overall in the atmosphere, it felt like being transported back

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to that time. So I think that was cool.
This was one of those movies that was talked about when we
were younger a lot. And a lot of it is the opening
scene and what happened and people being like, holy shit,
like I'm never going on an airplane ever again.
Oh yeah. And like, you know, some of the
the death traps that happened, Ithink we're kind of

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unforgettable horror scenes at that time too.
So I think it was like a creative and original concept
for the time, for sure in the early 2000s when things were
starting to go away from horror a little bit.
So it was cool to revisit that. And I thought this one kind of
fit in with our theme of the late 90s, early 2000s.

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So that's why I chose it. But let's give you all our
overall thoughts. Final destination, Dan, start us
up. I just want to say thank you,
Kevin, for picking this one because had you not, I'd
probably still be going on and having never seen a Final
Destination movie. But this movie, as Roger Ebert

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said, it poses the question, what if death was a Rube
Goldberg machine? Folks, if there's there's one
thing here at the mouths of madness we love, it's it's
unique. Kills this franchise though,
like it was as I was saying before, never really on my
radar. And I think the hang up is the
antagonist not being a person, an apparition or like a

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creature. Like a villain in a horror movie
is such a crucial element to thegenre.
Like they're visually striking and usually like revealed in
like a third act. They are assert like a
legitimate threat. They have infamous one liners
and catch phrases and all of those tropes are are subverted
in Final destination. Like all those things that I
genuinely love in a horror movie.

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So like it's I always kind of stayed away from it on top of
the the airplane shit. And like, it legitimately did
scare me, like to not want to goon airplanes having just seen
the trailers for it. But like to that point though,
like these kids are fighting something they don't understand.
It cannot be deterred. It cannot be reasoned with.

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But most importantly, it can't be rationalized to others as a
tangible threat. You can rationalize Michael
Myers to someone. Death is kind of like Freddy
Krueger without the dreams and being unable to see them.
I like the trio of characters Alex Clear and Carter Billy
played by Shawn Williams Scott. Great comedic relief.

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I like that scene about the drivers test at the funeral.
Devin Sawa does an excellent jobas Alex, showing the psychic
toll the events take on him throughout the movie and his
exhaustive investigation into proving to anyone who will hear
him that he's figured out death and how it chooses its victims,
Which is like, you're on the receiving end of that

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information. You're like, OK, like, what do
you want me to do with that? Like, like, you want me to stop
death. All right, let me get right on
that. It's kind of like a movie we
covered earlier, the 9th Gate. I see a lot of similarities with
the the concept of forbidden knowledge for a reason.
And like in this instance, the more he tries to prove to other

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there's this discovery, the moreunhinged and complicit he
appears in the deaths of his classmates.
The knowledge of death sentienceisolates him and wears him down.
To me, like this is like a classic modern man versus
supernatural film. I really enjoyed the ride it it
it takes us on. I love that.

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Like throwing it back to the 9thgate.
That was yeah. It was a good idea because I
hadn't thought about that for sure.
You. Know would you?
Would you want to know the truth?
You know, Yeah. Would you want to know the date,
the exact date and time that youwere going to die?
Like, would you want to know that?
Or would you want to see it? Yeah.
Would you want to see it like and?
Escaping it appears to only be atemporary solution.

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However, I really enjoyed this movie.
I thought it was. It was pretty good.
It did make me contemplate my own mortality a little bit,
which I'm going to have to take some points off for that one,
but. God forbid they try to teach you
something. Overall, I, I mean, I love the
concept of this. I mean, one of the things that
I'm always thinking about, and it is just kind of a part of my

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life is just looking around at safety and looking at, you know,
when you're looking for that kind of stuff, you almost go
through all of these like horrible scenarios where like
something goes terribly wrong inlike just the right way.
Whether it's like falling down stairs or like a ladder.
You're working on the side of the house, your ladder drops
down or something like that. And you're always like looking

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at that and like doing your bestto avoid it, you know?
It's like a it's like the fastest way to to obtain
agoraphobia. Yeah, but like, you kind of
always go through that exercise when you're looking at different
things and assessing the danger.But, and this is what I think is
really artful about the movie isit takes that concept and it
makes it the killer of the movie.

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It's like, well, you know, there's gonna be some, you know,
tiny threads that are pulled in just the right way to make sure
that these catastrophic situations come to pass.
And I think that's a really interesting concept.
I think that's a fresh idea. I think that's why you see so
many sequels to this movie because, I mean, that's a really
cool concept. And you can do so much with.

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Yeah, with it. You know, I know there was, I
mean, even in this movie, the kills, just like Dan said, the
kills were spectacular. They were really well thought
out. I mean, one of the cool things
that I saw when I was going through things is one of the
producers went through each one of the kills and kind of talked
about it and talked about some of the Easter eggs about, you
know, how you see what's Sean's character there?

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The Billy, Billy, I guess when you see him look out at the
plane as the plane is crashing, you see his head is kind of cut
in half. The producer by the by the
reflection in the window, the producer said that was supposed
to foreshadow is getting. And like everything's just like
kind of thought out like that, you know, like when the lady was
going to the computer to spill odd kind of computer.

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Yeah. There was a sword in the back
and, you know, she dies by, you know, a knife.
Yeah. So I really enjoyed it.
I thought this movie was fun. I mean, there's a lot of icky
parts, but that's OK. I mean, that's a horror movie.
Like when they were in Todd and,you know, poking around his body
with the the embalming tools andstuff where But yeah, that was

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that was a lot. But, you know, I mean, that's a
horror movie. And I thought it was a fun
horror movie. I thought it was a good horror
movie and I really enjoyed it, but curious to get hear what
Logan has to say about it. Yeah, this movie, by all means,
is very unique, very creative. To have a villain, not a
physical being, but more of a kind of like the unknown or the
unseen is very, very peculiar. I'm not opposed to it.

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It's just more of a choice that is taken very, like they take it
very carefully, but it's just not my sort of thing like to get
into. I think from that point of view,
like in the beginning of the movie, it kind of lost me in the
sense I knew it was coming, so that's why it already had taken

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points off for not having that. I think usually when we have
like those, we know what we're facing sort of thing, it feels
more like we can actually stick around and try to see what
happens when you are playing with the fire and there's no
hope for you. What's the point of me watching
if I'm just supposed to see people die and escape death with

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no with no chance basically. Yeah.
Yeah. No, that's a good point.
That is a good point, but you don't really learn that death is
inescapable until the end. Death is inescapable.
From what Bledsoe said, there are no.
Accidents. No coincidences, no mishaps, and
no. Escapes.
Yeah. Oh, Bloodsworth.
Bloodsworth. Earth.

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Yeah. I was saying yeah, OK.
What's Tony Todd? Tony Todd.
For you, I think the characters knew from the very beginning
that there was no escaping this.Once they met with him and he
was telling them that death is inescapable.
There is no there is no game to play.
And he was even telling them like, yeah, you can find

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patterns. You can try to escape it.
We all go, there's no way aroundit.
Now. Yes, it is true that in everyday
life, yes, we all do die. But when watching a movie that
that's a little too realistic, you want to escape that feeling.
You want to go into a movie thinking that there is hope.
I know it's a horror movie. I know it's it's not supposed to
be the ROM com where the guy gets the girl or like the movie

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where the heroes win and the villains lose.
Like I'm like, I'm OK with an Empire Strikes Back kind of
ending, but. I at least want to have some
kind of hope towards the movie where I am like actually
enthralled with the story and that I can actually see an
ending without it being already told for you.

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Like I think everything else besides that point is really
good. Obviously, this is my first
watch. I think characters are
fantastic. I think everything about the
movie is really good. It's just that that.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. And I think, I think to Bear
Claw's point, what he was sayingtoo is I think this movie is
kind of smart. I think they thought of what
you're saying. Yeah, they didn't.

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Want to remove the stakes by saying like death was an escape?
Yeah, like death is inescapable because they tried to make like
a whole thing where like, like Alex pulls Carter out of the car
and like, yeah, oh, wait a minute.
Like now we've gotten around theplan a little bit.
So they did want to put a littlehope spots in here for you.
Yeah. So it like, cuz to your point,

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why would we want to watch this if we knew like, they were just
gonna die? Why?
Didn't. Why didn't all of them just stay
on the train track? Let me ask you guys this though,
like I think to to Logan's pointthough, when you see it the
first time, like it's OK, but what's the rewatch ability
factor with it? You already know what's gonna
happen, so what's the point of rewatching it if you're just
seeing people go through the same thing?

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And obviously. We know what happens if it's a
dark movie and it's kind of likea downer.
Yeah, then like, why would I want to watch?
Well, I mean, I'm not saying youspecifically, but like I think
because it is such an original type of movie and there's
original type of kills. Yeah, I mean it's.
Fine to see myself watching thisagain.
The kills were so unique and theperspective was so unique and

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like, I mean, and it really was a horror movie in the truest
sense. Like, I mean, everybody who's
gone on a plane before, I mean, that's a nightmare scenario.
And you know, all of these otherthings.
I mean, you, you constantly think about this, or at least,
you know, I speak for myself, I guess.
But you know, you think about like, like a lot of different
safety stuff every day and how, you know, when you're driving

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your car to work, I mean, it only takes a little bit of
something to go sideways and youmight be in a real bad spot.
So I mean, the fact that this movie capitalizes on that fear
and kind of puts it in front of us.
The world is essentially your enemy once you've cheated death,
because death will come for you at any time, but you never know
when. So I think that's a really cool

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concept of this movie. Yeah, and I like how Logan
pulled you pulled that, Tony Todd.
Yeah. Dialogue out of there.
Or monologue, really. Well, his monologue is kind of
the starting gun to this movie, basically, because like, yes, we
had the big plane crash, but like, you got to make the
characters realize what they're facing.
He's the exposition piece. He's the he is kind of the

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person explaining death. What you have to realize is that
we're all just a mouse that a cat has by the tail.
Because to them. He Todd is so good in this
movie. He is.
Super good I think. Like.
So good, he's the best. Part of this movie by having him
like movies. In the new one too, wasn't.
It Yeah, it was his last movie. Yeah.

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Bloodlines. I want to listen.
I want to start right with the opening scene in this the big
airplane explosion. I gotta pose a big question to
y'all right away. You're in Alexis situation,
right? You fall asleep on the plane,
you have this dream of the planeexploding and then you wake up.
Are you staying on that plane orare you getting?

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Not. Getting off, yeah.
I am. Booking it log wouldn't even
wait for anybody. Yeah, why?
Would I wait? I would.
I would just be like, you know what, I'm just going to take
the. Next, they weren't off the.
What if the planes already in the air?
Oh fuck. You know, I don't know, make

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some phone calls. I'm I'm keeping I'm.
Giving the shop any earthly. Where's that mini bar at?
Yeah. They have no kiss.
Your ass goodbye. I mean, I don't know you got.
Any. Parachutes on this.
You got any parachutes? I need all your little vodkas,
yeah. You're that?
Yeah, I'm taking the minibar andI'm jumping.

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I don't want to die like that. I'd rather go out my.
Own you know what's so I think traumatic about this scene is
when he has that dream sequence,it feels so real, including the
like the flames on him, right? Like that stuck in my mind.
Yeah, that was really good. The flames, you could see him

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kind of burn up. You see the people dying on the.
I mean, it was just terrifying. I mean, I I would never ever
want to be in that situation, but.
Detailed dream ever. Yeah, right, right.
And then the thing that really sets him off is like when in the
dream he pulls the lap tray right and then and pulls out.

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So when he does in real life in the pimple.
He nopes the fuck out, yeah. What do you guys, what do you
guys think? You know the sources of him and
and Clearwater's premonitions. This is never explained in any
detail. Do you guys have any theories I.
I don't, but I did come across something I thought was
interesting about their names. Clear Rivers.

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She's empathic with others emotions and they flow through
her and she senses them like. At that moment on the plane, I
felt what you felt. I didn't even know where those
emotions were coming from until you started freaking out.
Clear Rivers and then Alex is short for Alexander, female
version Alexandra from Greek mythology associated with the

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Cassandra who had the gift of prophecy.
Oh. Very cool.
Going back to like what you weresaying with the directors and
how deliberate they were with planning things out, yeah, with
like, yes, even their charactersnames kind of have some kind of
significant meaning to them. Yeah, that's true.
I was thinking like Clear. I thought her name was Claire.
I kept thinking it was Claire too.

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I was like Nah this is 2000s movie and her parents were
hippies. Yeah, Indigo, we had the.
Yeah, we had the closed captionson Logan.
I was like, no, it's clear. And I'm like, no, the closed
caption is a mistake here. I didn't think about the closed
caption. The dad said Clear and I was
like clear, clear. The hell name is that I.
Was thinking like clairvoyant orsomething like that, you know,

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and clairvoyant. Clairvoyant.
I say clairvoyant. So maybe maybe they knew I
would. Maybe.
They know you're an idiot. No, that's a really good
question though. I think they're just.
Sensitive. Are they like maybe a
counterbalance part of like intelligent design that goes
along with death's design? Like, like they're kind of like

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the luck element in life. They are.
Yeah, that could be true. They just have high luck.
I mean, I think for me it's morehe was already nervous about the
flight, and I think that was enough to like shock the brain.
Like when you're on a dream and you kind of like you're thinking
about it all the times. Like let's say you're nervous
about something when you dream, like you just, you feel that

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you're like sitting with that. So then your dreams become that
reality. So I think death was kind of
like already on his brain with like the plain stuff.
Yeah, I think he already had that on his mind.
I think it was just like circumstantial as well as like
it was kind of just a coincidence.
Yeah, I think once he had that premonition or that dream, then

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it was like all of a sudden the signs like he was looking for,
and I think he even talked aboutit like, you know, there's signs
that we can kind of pick up on. And I think Clear kind of was
thinking that herself. I don't know, First off, if if I
saw somebody freaking out like that on a plane, I'd almost want
to get off too. Like, if they're like, this

(27:46):
plane's fucking going down, I'm like, OK, so I can understand
her thing, but she does have that dialogue with Alex later
on. Like, we've never even spoken to
each other, you know? But I felt connected.
They're like connected. Yeah.
And she she eventually becomes whatever he is because she stops
him from running into that bus. Yeah.

(28:09):
Six months later. I think what's so interesting in
this movie, and we can kind of touch about it a little bit, I
think it's so funny that they'relike, yeah, we've never spoken
to each other. But you know, that day when
you're talking about that, I just trusted you.
And then like 20 minutes later, she's like, baby, baby, are you
OK? Hey, listen, time time's running
out. Let's just jump to things.

(28:29):
Pet names, baby. We're good.
Yeah, I was going to say that she was into it.
They were like immediately like,oh, we found each other.
How about Carter's like, you guys can do that later.
Let's get the hell out of here. Hey, listen, when you're
connected with somebody. Yeah, you know.
Right time stands still. I think you're one of those

(28:50):
like, De Beers ads. Remember those like, back in the
day? But then like, one partner goes
off and like, gets killed or something like that.
Like like, oh. Missed opportunity for a trailer
there. The first idea that something
is, I guess, manifesting like death is manifesting itself,

(29:12):
right? Yeah, is with Todd and his
death. First off, the wind is blowing
through the window and this signaling like what to?
The wall to the wall. Yeah, to the windows and.
And the sweat trap down my balls.
So it's kind of creating this eerie atmosphere now, like death

(29:32):
is creeping in here. Really thought he was gonna die
on the crapper like Elvis. Well, so I this is one of the
best things about this movie. And like, these kills in
specific is trying to figure outlike, oh shit, how is he gonna
die, you know? Oh yeah.
How's this? How's this gonna play?
And then how creative they got with it, like that bat, like

(29:53):
Todd's bathroom kill there was probably one of the best of the
movie. And it was very late.
I was cuz slipping in the bathroom is also a fear of mine
and. Too, because a lot of people die
in the bathroom. Yeah, And it's just one of those
things that can get scary. And so like that played on that
fear. And I remember watching that
scene just being like, oh, like,I didn't imagine it going the

(30:15):
way that it did, but like the fact that, like, Todd was trying
to get up, but the soap was stopping him.
And like, just the details of that was just.
I thought that was genius for a horror movie.
Death has it all figured out. Like why?
Like Logan said too, it's like, is he gonna die in the toilet?
And what I love about that, too,is it was a little bit of a

(30:36):
callback to when they're in the airport and they're taking shit
next to each other, Alex. Go take a shit.
So I gotta take a shit by yourself?
Yeah. Wait a minute, is this gonna be
the way he goes? Come on with John Denver
playing. Yeah, that's another
foreshadowing too. Yeah, John Denver died.
The plan? Man, they played John Denver 40
times in this movie, but the still the best one is she goes

(30:58):
in the closet and she's like, oh, mom's favorite, mom's
favorite, John freaking Denver, the final like and she's not
even like thinking about it. She's like, oh, I was just
talking about how I was the one who put him on the plane.
Oh, what's a great song to play?Maybe a song by a guy who died
on a plane? You know, that's a good question

(31:19):
too. Do airports have that role or
they won't play like songs that people died in their plane
crashes? I've never heard that, but.
Lynyrd Skynyrd, you know. They don't play John Denver the
bathroom. That's the thing.
Like, I don't know where what bathroom you're going to like.
They don't play music. Here's my question about Todd's
death. Death, right?
The pipes leak, right? And the water comes out and then

(31:41):
it's like kind of like ectoplasma and then it like goes
back. Like why did?
That do that like how would they?
I don't know, I guess because they didn't want to.
It's also. Covering its tracks.
I guess it's like one of the only times I guess Death covers
its tracks too. I don't know that, but I just
heard somebody on YouTube say that that's the only time in the
series that Death, like it covers its tracks, which I don't

(32:03):
even know why it would have to cover its.
Yeah, no. It doesn't.
No it doesn't because the house fire, they covered their tracks
with the house fire with the death of the teacher there.
Her death was kind of weird because they planted it on Alec
with him picking up the knife. Yeah, but then the house catches
fire. You're kind of right, like.
Yeah, but they still got the blood footprints and his like
fingerprints all over the knife.Remember his friend said that.

(32:25):
Oh, yeah, but it's still on Alec's.
It's not on Death. Death covered his tracks again,
though. Yeah, but.
I don't think who's gonna be arresting death.
It was gonna be like, that's thething.
Space Police. Like literally death could come
in there with a scythe, chop himin half and then walk away and
like what? Are.
The able guys. Chopped in half?

(32:46):
How did it happen? I mean you.
Could just, you could just play along with the police and like
get arrested, get fingerprinted,sits in the cell and then just.
Walks out like this was. Fun, yeah.
Change of pace through the night.
What do you got? What do you got cooking?
We got you got chicken. I'll stay the.
Night picture that old and living color schedule Jim Carrey

(33:07):
as death or like death is on vacation and they're like just
kill this guy real quick. I would be so thrilled if you
would just kill somebody. You.
Yeah, you know. That would be so cool.
Another gripe of mine, and I mean I love Tony Todd, but this
scene at the morgue felt out of place, did it not?

(33:29):
Yeah, it did feel disjointed with the rest of the movie
because they're like, let's go see Todd just one last time.
And it's kind of like in my mind, I'm like, well, why?
I think. And then also like, like, let's
go see him, No. They're trying to see like,
they're trying to see like the records and stuff so they can
find out how he died. Because Alex didn't believe he
would kill himself because of the whole thing where he was

(33:50):
like, he was just playing like aroad trip with me.
Why would you? Why would he kill himself if he
was gonna like, do that? And then Clear was like, yeah, I
don't trust this either. So let's go find out what
actually happened. Yeah, and like, she's like.
Oh man. She was horny this seems like.
A big red flag to me, but she knows how to break into that
place very easily. She I do her rush, she was like,

(34:13):
oh that man, this gives me a rush gives.
Me a rush this place. And he's like.
Okay. Yeah, I don't know.
That was a girl, right? There, she knows how to break
into every March where around. And she knows how to.
And she makes creepy. Ass art?
Yeah, let's hope it's not like Texas Chainsaw Massacre art.

(34:34):
It's a good thing. No, I mean, I, I mean, I really
like the scene cuz Tony Todd, I think he's just so charismatic
and everything he's delivering is great.
Yeah, but it but it's very strange that they A broke into
this and then B, there's just a guy who's hanging out there and
just is like, hey, I knew, let me give you this big exposition.
You're just in time for this giant exposition.

(34:55):
Yeah, while while I pull this tube out.
Yeah, while I while I do some gruesome embalming.
Watch this trick I learned in partition schools.
Clears like Tony. Tony Todd is just working his
magic, stealing him away, stealing his.

(35:17):
Girl, the first time Tony Todd and he's.
Like Alex, you gotta put a little hook in them.
I thought it was so funny that her character was like so into
this. It was so not what I expected
because at first I thought she was just like the shy like girl
that's like, but she never like makes anything.

(35:38):
And then as soon as she gets involved in this, she's like,
oh, I'm gonna be as horny as hell.
Did. Anybody else?
Always the bookworms. Well, here's the thing, I'm
gonna cop to this and you guys are gonna think I'm a little
silly, but through the most of the movie, somebody told me and
I forgot who's that? They said that there was a big
twist at the end of this movie and there kind of was.
It wasn't the best twist. I'm not.
I don't love the ending of the movie.

(35:59):
But when it comes to Clearwater,there is a little bit of this
movie where I was convinced thatmaybe she was dead.
Mean clear river or clear river?Yeah, but there's.
Clearwater, Clear River. There was a portion of this
movie where I was like, maybe she's like death, Like death
Incarnate and like she's just like that one.
She's Lady Death. Yeah, yeah.

(36:19):
She's like Lady Death. And she's like just been toying
with him the whole time because she's like a strange girl who
has no family. And like she had like, just like
that just appeared on the plane that day.
Ghost. Bombs.
Yeah, that just like appeared onthe plane that day.
Well, why was she there that day?
She was there to read, and then she was just kind of toying with

(36:40):
him the whole time. Well then, Bear claw, Yeah.
I love it. I wish they went that way.
Yeah, that's I thought that would be a cool direction to go,
but that's what I thought that they were doing with her because
like, but then she got way too lovey dovey with the main
character and I was like, oh, OK, that's no case.
She's just Dawson's Creek goth, yeah.
She's raw dog and daddy. Till death comes for me, will it

(37:03):
be a ghastly Cora? Or a tree.
I don't want to wait. I love it very your wife.
To be over. I love it.
This is another issue I have. I'm putting all my issues right
now put. Them all on the table OK.
Let me put them on. I think Logan, you had made

(37:23):
reference to this too. Clear was all about Alex and
what he, like, she was like, oh,man, He, he's feeling this.
I got like a plane I'm into, let's go to the morgue.
And then all of a sudden, Alex is like, he kind of figures out
with the diagram of how the plane was set up.
Yeah. And like how they're gonna die.
And he brings it to Clear and she's like, hey, you're fucking

(37:44):
crazy. Total bullshit.
I mean, you can find death omensanywhere you want to.
What? Don't you gas like me?
That's a man. Bridge too fucking far.
Man. This is the whoa, whoa, whoa
singing into the Mortuary. That was Tuesday night.
That was the break. Too far.
That wasn't big enough. You wait a minute, you want us

(38:06):
to sneak into a morgue, basically go and find this
dude's body and then you want tojust do all this weird shit.
But the second I bring up a perfectly clear.
Logical sound like. With the diagram.
Diagram. That makes sense.
You want to throw me as the crazy person?
No, you're the crazy person. I never want to talk to you

(38:28):
again. Pepe.
Sylvia. Yeah.
She gaslit him. Getting into some of the things.
So I like it's kind of these unlikely friends all coming
together. Yeah, right.
Because you have Alex. Friends.
Well, not friends, right? Allies the moment, right?
Yeah, Alex, Clear Carter, who islike the Barry Cox of this

(38:50):
movie, is he not Like he's the Dick.
We got Billy and we got Terry. Terry or Terry doesn't make it
Barry. Dude I thought that was the
funniest shit. I He'll have that one.
I saw how they did the technical, like they had to
shoot her with like a blur in front of her.
Then they had the bus kind of plow through and there'd be a

(39:12):
doll there. And because they did it that
way, they could like edit it together perfectly.
So it looks like she got hit by it because it looks like she it.
Looks so good. It looks it looks really good
and. How it comes and hits you.
Yeah, that was crazy. It it was really perfect.
Like how we were yelling like atthe TV, like get out of the
street, get out. Yeah, I know.

(39:34):
Like if I heard death was comingfor me, I'd be like in the
corner of a like storm proof. Well, she.
Didn't know like. This is what I like too about
these movies is you're kind of like, where is it gonna be?
Where it's gonna be to bear claws Point if death is coming
for you. There's nothing you can do.
What? What are you gonna?
Do I? Do you have any ideas?
Well, if you know someone. 'S I don't know finish up my

(39:55):
business, maybe find some type of like necromancy spell to
bring myself back or? Something if I know I'm next,
I'm gonna chill out. Where nobody is sit back and
just wait for something to happen.
You know, kind of like maybe. I'm just gonna go full tilt and
just go on. Like just.

(40:15):
Crazy like harder, just. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna
channel Keith Richards and I'm just gonna go.
Hard yeah. All gas, no break.
All gas, no break until I'm ready.
I know what I mean. Well, you could also look at it.
If you knew when you were going to die, then you're invincible
up until that point, so take chances.

(40:36):
That's true. Safety third.
I mean, Carter kind of loses hisshit, right?
Because he thinks like, Oh my God, death is coming for me, Why
bother? What's the fucking point, right?
Me and Terry, we'll be back together on the other side.
So why wait in your heart? There's kind of a hard guy to to
appease though, because when he saved him, he is like at the

(40:57):
funeral, which I thought this was like a weird take on it.
He was like, I'm never gonna dienow.
I'm never gonna die. I don't know, I guess I didn't
fully understand that emotion, but so he was angry that he got
saved and then he's angry that he's gonna that he might be up
for the next one to die. Well, they kind of explain it
later on though, that he's actually afraid, but he's just
like super tough guy like. Putting out an exterior front.

(41:20):
Yeah, psychology one-on-one. It doesn't come off that good,
Miss Lewin, what a bitch. How dare you go up to a kid and
say I'm scared of you. Don't talk to me, you scare the
hell. Out of me like you bitch.
Tell us how you're really shit. What I thought was good about

(41:45):
Miss Luton's character is like how she kind of portrays
survivors, Yeah. Like guilt, right?
Yeah. She deserved what she.
You know, and like things she was going through.
Like she can't even look at the fucking mug with the school logo
on. Yeah.
And then she chucks it across the room.
She chucks her coffee across theroom.
Like I I understand like. She's mentally on stage, I.

(42:08):
Understand being like traumatized by something, but
you're gonna throw it and then you're not even gonna clean it
up like that's just such a. Fuck it, she's moving.
It's it's gonna be the new. It's gonna.
Be the other first problem. It's gonna be the landlord.
It's bought as is. Yeah.
I just again to bear call this point this is great movie

(42:28):
details because she had a hot coffee in there and then she
goes to put vodka. Ice cold vodka?
Yes, put it in the freezer. The one I'll give her that she
knows how to store vodka. You put it in the freezer.
Although things are wildly more flammable in this movie than
they would be in real life. That. 1.
Serious proof. Vodka.
Yeah, she must have had the Everclear.

(42:49):
That's. Straight from Russia right
there. Well, you know what?
I will give her something. At least she didn't take 12
minutes to make some instant coffee.
That's that's the good thing. Yeah.
We could have seen that play out.
I still think it's the funniest thing that like he's like, Oh my
God, she's next. Let me go, like, conspicuously
sneak around her house. Yeah.

(43:09):
And like, look at her. Looks like I'm messing with her
car and stuff. Like what was he even looking
for in her? Yeah, why would he?
Just looking for, like, anythingthat could happen to her.
Yeah. Because he knows she's next.
I mean, it's, it's a tough situation to be like what he's
in because everything he's saying is really true.
But like, how do you explain that to somebody?
And the moreover explain it to somebody like you're gonna die

(43:32):
like death is coming for you today, man, like.
Yeah, even explaining it to the federal officers, he's like, oh,
man, this is gonna happen. They're like, OK, well, it seems
like you're all good to go get out here.
What, you want me? OK, we can't get a sketch artist
out here. Unless he's threatening, you
know there's not a whole lot they can do.
He's an active suspect in a plane crash.

(43:54):
Yeah. No, they said he wasn't a
suspect because they said there was no way he could have
anything to. Do it.
Think of a bobber. Yeah, it was like a fuel pump or
something, they said. Yeah, it's just like.
He was caught trespass. It's weird happenstance that
he's where like all these situations are kind of they.
Could have also done something cool where like he had somehow
caused these and like that wouldbe kind of like a reveal from

(44:18):
what's that movie Unbreakable orMr. Glass was actually behind.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would have been a cool
twist. This movie too.
It's like none of this stuff wasdeath.
It was just. It was him.
And like I had done all this, they.
Chose him. Like in retrospect, putting a
bomb in the plane and like all that stuff, that would have been
a cool way to go to this for me was one of the best scenes of

(44:41):
how is she gonna die? Yeah.
There's just so much. Right, this is the penultimate
Rube Goldberg. I gotta be honest, this is one
of my least favorite deaths. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I thought it was okay, but I was just like, I don't
know, I'm sure they visit every scenario and then the next 5 or
6 movies, but I thought there was more like more interesting

(45:02):
scenarios I could have. I just I thought the computer
monitor, I thought the setup to it was kind of lame, but like
when things started happening like that computer monitor
exploding and like that glass Shard hitting her in the throat,
I'm like, damn, I didn't never never think of that ever like to
happen before. Like that's never been done.
Yeah, I mean, what what I think is tough in this situation too,

(45:23):
is she's not dead either. No, like she's Yeah, Logan said.
She's moving like Michael Keaton's Batman there.
Like, yeah, you know, she can't move her.
Yeah. So that makes it this scene just
play out even more because that's like, oh, fuck, she's
still alive. Like what else can we do?
Here. Oh, Sheldon.
Boom. Yeah, set things on fire.
Yeah, knives in her gut. You know, let's just do all

(45:46):
that. Yeah.
And then she pulls it and then the chair just slamming that
knife. That was like, Oh yeah.
I, I thought like honestly from the scene I just referenced
earlier with the I'm scared of you, I was like, what are you
talking about? You need to go next.
Like how dare you. How dare you tell Devin Sawa
that he is the GOAT. He was so sweaty in this movie,

(46:08):
wasn't he? He was.
Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.
Of course, if death was that. I was gonna say, death is very
literally at your door. And also imagine pointing out
the signs for like 20 minutes and then it turns out that
shit's going down. Hell yeah, I'm not gonna be able
to sleep. He wasn't sleeping either.
He was by the chair, like watching the news.
So this is another question too,like you had asked, like do they

(46:31):
have premonitions? How are they getting this?
Alex in the car sees the seat belt brake on Carter's.
Yeah, I thought I called about. So now he can also like see
things to get out of death as well, because when Carter gets
stuck on the train tracks, his instinct is like, oh shit.

(46:53):
Like I remember I saw the seat belt break, so I'll go pull him
out. I mean, so the rules here a
little bit. Abstract.
They shouldn't survive that either.
They get they were like a secondoff from that train.
They shouldn't have survived. I know he pulled them like right
before the train hit, which was stupid anyway.
He probably should have died there anyways.
Very mission. Impossible ask.

(47:13):
What did Dick do for like, endangering all of them at this?
Yeah, yeah, he's, I love that scene.
I have a point though. I mean, they were all on the
list. No, I'm not.
That's not your. Decision to make.
That's not your decision. To make I'm not dying bear claw.
If we're about to die and I'm inthe car with you, I'm getting
the hell out of the car. I'm breaking the glass.

(47:34):
I think, though, the best scene in that is when he goes, well,
we're all dying anyways. He's like, yeah, but I don't
want to die right now. Like Dan said, Billy has great
Comic Relief in this and it's kind of the anti stifler role
Yeah for him cuz he's like the very kind of nerdy he's.
Usually the Carter, yeah. Yeah, he, this one, he's, he's

(47:55):
just kind of like, I don't know,just random guy like.
He's always biking around town like what the fuck?
I mean, this is like my third favorite Stifler.
I really like him in road trip too.
Yeah, yeah, not like that in road trip, though.
In road trip. He was.
No, he's more Toffler. He always plays Stifler.
Yeah, dude, where's my car? This is more of a nervous
version of him. Like he was very nervous all the

(48:17):
time. Yeah, I think.
What was that that hit him that took his head in half?
It was like a piece of metal. It was like metal scrap.
Yeah, that was under the train tracks and that and then as soon
as soon as it got caught up by the train, it like cut his head
off so. Slogan didn't like this I.
Like that, I thought that was the worst kill I've ever seen in

(48:38):
my entire life, really. Yeah.
I thought it was the stupidest, most pointless, like death, and
you had to do it to my boy Stiffler.
Like you could have done it to Carter and I would have been
fine with it. It had to be Stiffler though.
I liked it because you didn't real.
I mean, you saw it coming. You didn't really see it.
You saw that metal. Something was going to happen
with that metal, but you weren'tsure what.

(49:00):
And then the fact that it took out one character and one swoop,
I think was it was interesting. Yeah, I like this because I
think it switches up the formulaa little bit because if every
kill was like this longer drawn out one.
Yeah, I think it kind of it's kind of like, okay, that's got a
lot of time on it. It's like watching wrestling

(49:20):
matches. Not every match can be a 20
minute bang. Yeah like some of them have to
be a quick 2 minutes cuz then you're just expecting the same
thing. Open number again.
Tell that to Tony Khan. The cabin scene with Alex.
What did you guys think of this,where he's like, was he eating
cat food or was he eating tuna? I don't.
Know but I to be honest with you, I found this scene very

(49:43):
unnecessary for the movie. I actually 100%.
Completely. It's completely been blanked
from my memory only. That's how bad it is.
Yeah, it's no when he goes and like he death proofs the whole
cabin. OK, all right.
And it was. Just you can't get me.
It was just him like going and creating this crazy death proof
house but then lighting a Lantern in the middle of it like

(50:06):
a gas or kerosene Lantern like. I mean I.
Don't know he's. Got like the cat food you were
saying he's eating cat food? Does he huffing glue out of a
bag? Why does he have?
Yeah. And like, why is he eating cat
food? That's another good question.
Because like, like, is that gonna be safer than human
regulated food? I don't know.
I just feel like this entire movie, there's like a point in

(50:29):
the movie where I'm like, God, this is just delaying the
inevitable. Like at this point, it's like
just get to the end because they're they're dragging to the
climate. To me, this was the only part of
the movie that I thought was really, like, not really good
storytelling. Yeah, this is a plot device to
have what they, I guess, are considering A twist of like, oh

(50:50):
shit, Alex switched seats with the girls so he wouldn't be
next. It'd be clear.
And then it's like, oh shit, he's got to get the clear, you
know? So that makes no sense though if
if she's next and death's still coming and that makes.
Yeah, so I guess death wasn't necessarily coming for him,
right? Yeah.
Like it was just kind of happenstance that like, the

(51:11):
fishing pole fell over. You would think if he was next,
you would, you would just stay put because you're not going to
be able to save. Her, but he wants to try.
He wants to try, and there is actually.
Mapped up women. Have you guys heard about the
alternate ending to this? Yeah, so I was going to talk
about that for sure. Yeah, because I want to get your
thoughts. So before we get there though,

(51:34):
Alex canoes over and then goes through the woods.
I mean, this is like this was kind of like a little Rambo.
Like where is like I was watching an episode of Lost the.
Geography of this town she has acabin that's like a canoe ride
away from her house like. How does she pay for that cabin?
She has no. Parents, that was her dad's cab.

(51:55):
You're right it. Was her dad's.
How does she pay for the house? Maybe she inherited it?
I don't think all her parents, Ithink the stepmom or the mom and
the stepdad, like really don't want her.
Whatever. We didn't really want a kid so
my mom didn't either anymore. So they're never around or some
shit like that. They abandoned.
Something that her parents died.No, her dad died, the mom

(52:17):
abandoned her, the mom abandonedher.
So how did the hell does she still have that cabin in the
house? She's deaf.
She's deaf. If she's deaf, not deaf.
If she's deaf, then maybe that'smaybe that goes.
To bear claws. Bear claws, yeah.
I like that she could be deaf. Yeah, I like that.
But here's death coming for her,right?

(52:38):
Yeah, no, she's just having fun with it because she's just
waiting for him to show up. He's she's probably like God
damn I gotta hold this down for 20.
Minutes. At least part of the alternate
ending would work so well is if he died trying to save her but
then she turns out to be death. Yeah, yeah, I know.
And she got him by that way because he was talking all that

(53:01):
smack in the cabin. Tried to capitalize but I caught
you. Like, oh, you can't get me.
Yeah, you can't get me now. And it's like, but then Clear
River drives them out. But then Clear River is death.
That would be a pretty good. Yeah, I like ending.
I do, I mean cuz there's no way he survives this right?
He grabs the freaking like. Why?

(53:24):
Why? I mean, you're gonna.
Have a bad time with that? Yeah, you're gonna have a you're
gonna have a real bad time. Something like that happened on
my street where one of those came down and melts the cement.
I mean that is that is no joke when one of those wires comes
down. So then we got to like kind of
the false ending here of they all went on the plane ride.
You know, I just can't believe we got on a plane again.

(53:46):
You know what I'm saying? I would.
Never go on a plane ever again. You guys feel real real comfy
about going on a plane when death itself is hunting you down
like. Yeah, like there's like this six
month gap. Yeah.
It's like what? What is death doing for the next
class 600? Like, oh, fuck these guys.
I can't catch you, man. I got I got an 8:00.
I gotta get to. I'm running.

(54:07):
Late, I got 215 meeting. Oh, it's not gonna work.
We'll run it back. We'll run it back.
So then they end up in Paris, right?
And then Alex is trying to explain like, oh, I wonder if,
you know, it cycles around again.
For all I know, circle. Back and get us all again.
And then you got the ending where I guess Carter saves Alex
and he's like, yeah, we're even.Ending is the weakest part of

(54:30):
this movie. Because I don't know the ending
what? Does it even?
What does it even mean? It like doesn't nobody learned
any less. Well, this goes to what Logan's
you're. Gonna have to find out in the
next movie. Yeah.
In the next movie, guess what? All new character.
It's like like come on man. Just except for one.
What? Who gives a shit about her?

(54:51):
Oh man, I think for me the movielost me by the climax that the
ending didn't hurt as much because I was already gone.
Well, this goes to your point Logan, cuz like then it's kind
of like, well, what's the point?Like what did we watch?
What's the point now? It's we learn.
Going around right, It's gonna take him out anyway.
So it's like, why even? Like, Oh my God, he's gonna save
clear. Like he's gonna save her from

(55:12):
all this. It's like, OK, And then this
happens and it's like. Let me get your thoughts on the
alternate ending. Here we go.
So I. Didn't catch the alternate.
I didn't know, I didn't see. So this was the ending
originally and they changed it. Because the test audience has
hated it. The producer that.
Who gives a shit about the test audience?
Robert Ebert? Yeah.

(55:34):
A lot of people give a lot of shits about the test audience.
So do you guys remember the scene earlier on where all the
buddies are together in Carter'scar and they go find Alex and
he's at the beach? Clear goes to Alex right there.
Oh God, I can. I can tell what's good they
were. Supposed to have sex.
Right. Yeah, and.
Then have a get a. Little busy, and then Alex was

(55:57):
supposed to die, like Bear Clawssaid at the end.
He was supposed to die by the electrical wire, Yeah.
He was supposed to be fried and they were going to show it.
And they actually, you can look on YouTube, they have the scene.
There was another missed scene too, where she was going to show
like a pregnancy test. I don't know how they're going
to fit that. Yeah, there's, there's just you
weren't that in somewhere. I can't.

(56:18):
Yeah. He just.
I don't know what. A day later, pregnant.
Right. And then at the end, it was
going to be revealed at the memorial that she had his baby.
And that was going to break the cycle of death, because the new
life had been introduced into the world, so it somehow broke
death's power. Death would have been crazy.
It's like I'm going to go your. Way.

(56:39):
Listen, I'm not for all of it. I think it should have stopped
with him dying, saving her. Yeah.
And like somehow his sacrifice like.
Stop. Stops death or something.
Like that, Yeah, they could havejust shown them at the end of
the. Morning.
He was going to die when he was talking with.
Yeah, I think that would have been a better way.
Just Yeah. He dies.

(57:00):
They go at the end. It's her and Carter at and
they're at the memorial. And like they.
Yeah, you know, now you look down and Alex's name is theirs.
Yeah. And like, it doesn't need to go
any further than that. Yeah, so like then?
They jumped the shark and went with the whole baby and
butterflies. It was kind of weird, yeah.
I think already they lost me in the climax, so the ending

(57:21):
doesn't matter to me as much. It's just, it's pointless.
It's pointless. Watch.
I don't know. I I do agree, I don't think that
the ending was the strongest forthis move.
No, here's an ending for you. Everyone lives, everyone's
happy. And then right at the ending, we
get a little sign that death is still there.
And that's all you needed. You didn't have to show someone

(57:43):
else being killed. You could have just showed a
sign that death was still coming.
Some rolling leaves. Or or like something like a near
death. Experience, yeah.
I mean the thing the thing you have to understand is they had
to do this reshoot in like 3 weeks.
You could have done a simple scene where you're looking out
the window and then like something happens.
This gets us into conspiracy corner.

(58:09):
I want to lead this off because this leads into my conspiracy
right here. I think they changed the ending
on purpose because they knew they had something here to set
up a whole franchise. Yeah, literally.
Yeah. We're not gonna, we're not gonna
be like whoa, whoa, whoa. I.
Smell money here. Yeah, right.
Let's stretch this out a bit. Hang on, let's things got let's
completely let's completely killeverything that we liked about

(58:32):
this movie and let's make more of this because money.
Yeah, because they know. And this is what like the
Terrifier people have figured out and a lot of other
franchises, people aren't reallyinvested so much in the stories
and things like that. They want to see the cool kills,
they want to have fun with it, you know, and that's what this
movie is. So I think they knew, hey, this

(58:55):
ending is 2 final. Yeah, final.
We need something a little bit more open-ended like that's
going to come. In I love every movie that's has
like final or last or something.It never ends.
It's always a cliffhanger or like something.
Fantasy. Yeah, like there's always
another one. It's.
Like which one is it on the 16? Yeah, the last one, yeah.

(59:17):
Yeah, for sure. And then they can't always.
It can't be over, right? Yeah.
Any other conspiracies? I don't.
Know if mine's a conspiracy or hot take?
I'm just gonna. It's a little bit of both.
All right, all. Right.
Well, all the survivors are in on the explosion of the plane.
They're all disturbed, paranoid,and end up causing their own
deaths out of some subconscious guilt.

(59:40):
Like death didn't take out Todd in the bathroom.
All that was was Todd's grief manifesting itself while he was
giving himself a David. Things got carried away and he
broke the rule and went full David and he, David Cara deemed
himself to it and ended up finding his poor father ended up
finding him in that state. Oh man, he could have used

(01:00:04):
Alex's penthouse. Yeah, that would have helped
things. And he?
No, my only conspiracy theory was the whole thing about Clear
River being death itself and howyeah I like that.
An interesting turn to things. For sure.
All right. We're on the hot takes.
Any hot takes? Yeah.
One biscuit, you're to bed in this movie.

(01:00:26):
Music's pretty good for this movie, yeah.
I would I would have liked it could have been I would have
liked more 2000s music in this. I think that's like my only
thing is it doesn't feel like a 2000s movie when it comes to
like. Yeah, there was like a Nine Inch
Nails song, 9 Inch Nails in 2000.
It was a little little. Little wait, No, give me some,
you know. 2009 inch nails was pretty good.

(01:00:48):
Yeah, yeah, give a little new metal, right?
Yeah. Any other whole?
I mean chainsaws You should. You should put new metal in just
about everything. Yeah, Any other hot takes?
I had another conspiracy, actually.
Okay. There's a brain eating amoeba in
the towns, drinking water that affects the towns people's
ability to be aware of their environmental surround.

(01:01:08):
I mean, how do you miss a bus? How do the people that she was
talking to not see the bus coming right now and be like,
hey, look out, that bus is coming?
Or don't stand in the street, yeah.
I have a little bit of a hot take.
I think Stifler's character is the worst one in the in the

(01:01:28):
movie. I mean this is like my third
favorite Stifler. I think he's the worst
character. I think he was not funny at all.
I think. I think I actually like Terry a
lot. I didn't really like Terry in
the first watch and I re watchedit like the other day and I
really liked her like playing a part like in stopping the two

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guys from going at it. Enough, both of you.
They died and we live. And that she was the reason for
Carter getting in on it. If she didn't die, he wouldn't
have cared. He would have continued to be a
Dick. You're right.
So like her dying LED them? Yeah.
Changed the course of things. So I like her character.
It's fun. Well, we're on to our Hall of
Sling. Our Hall of Slain are characters

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that have died in the movies that we review that would help
us get through and survive a horror movie because we are the
final girl. Are there any characters from
Final Destination you would liketo nominate?
Harry Clear River doesn't die, does she?
Because she seems like the most confident person around.
I mean, she can read the room. She can, but she didn't die.
I'm thinking about his whipped cream bikini.
Yeah. I would have taken the teacher

(01:02:40):
if she didn't say that she was scared of the kid.
My suggestion is going to be Billy.
He doesn't really offer much in terms of wit, but I feel like
his weakness could be our strength.
We could have Stiffler. You don't want a guy like Todd
where his kink might kill himself.
Carter is too much of A loose cannon.
Yeah, Valerie is a klutz and Terry's voice is like sandpaper.

(01:03:03):
Which is why I like it. I like all.
Sandpaper. All right, so first Logan said
Terry. Any anybody for Terry?
I don't know. You didn't see that bus coming?
No one else did. Yeah, I don't know about Terry.
I don't think she's the strongest candidate there's.
Not a lot of. I know we gotta be tougher.
What about the French teacher? What about the French teacher?

(01:03:24):
I think that guy was pretty cool.
Poor guy, I was just trying to can we?
Please, that's like a. Random one.
All right, let's go to Dan's picof of Billy Hitchcock.
Stiffler anybody? Second.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we'll need meat to feed to the grinder
to slow him down. Yeah.
All right. I think it would be cool to

(01:03:46):
bring Stiffler. We need a guy who rides bikes
all over town and then you know.You can write, we just need the
guy to go out there and be stupid to die for us at the end
of the. Day we're in Hollis.
Why do we need Hollis Is one of our top Hollis?
He's a meat. Operatives I.
Mean but if. Like we're in a zombie
apocalypse. Hollis is the first one.
No, no, no, no. We're sending Billy out.

(01:04:08):
Billy's got the bike, dude. They can go chase him.
Billy is a Skype. Here's the thing why I don't
want to induct Billy. His name is Billy.
We can't have a character named Billy in the Hall of.
We already have Billy in the hall of Slain from Halloween 5.
We put them in. Yes, you put them in.
Go back to our My Bloody Valentine episode.
I'll go for Billy from Halloween5.

(01:04:31):
We just got off past episode. 6.Past Logan, eat the chill.
OK, I guess in that logic I guess we have to all.
Right Gamble sound. Welcome to the hall of slain
Billy Hitchcock. Last name Hitchcock, named after
our boy. Yeah, Alfred.
And did you know the character the FBI agent Shrek?
He's named after. Shrek.

(01:04:52):
He was not named after Shrek. This movie came out two years
before Shrek. He was named after Max Shrek,
who played Nosferatu. Oh.
So a little horror. Yeah, callbacks there.
It's time for hook, line and stinker.

(01:05:17):
Our hook is our favorite kill ofthe movie, our line is our
favorite line or quote in the movie, and our stinker is
something funny, awful or weird that happens that makes the
movie either better or worse. My hook, I'm going with Miss Lew
and I just love the ride. It takes us on.
As the viewer, you know what's going to happen.
You're stressed out. I love the anticipation that it

(01:05:39):
builds up and just for the chairto just go that that was
perfect. My line is when they board the
airplane, that's a good sign. Younger the better to be a
fucked up guy to take down this plane.
It'd be a fucked up God to take down this plane.
And then they go by that mentally challenged person and
they're like, I really fucked up.

(01:06:00):
God, a really fucked up guy. My stinker is just kind of like
what we talked about the morgue scene and the cabin scene, some
of these being out of place. And I thought the ending wasn't
great either, to be honest. So those are my stinkers.
For the entire like, third half pretty much.
No, just a couple scenes really.OK yeah.

(01:06:21):
And I don't think in spoiler they don't ruin the movie for me
but. Yeah.
They just, they're just disjointed, yeah.
The pacing is off with them. Yeah, right.
Yeah. OK.
Dan, how about you? Just like you, my hook is
Valerie's death. It's the most elaborate sequence
I've seen in a movie to off someone.
I like how it crescendos. The stakes keep getting up on

(01:06:42):
how awful of the way she's goingto die.
You think they're going to blow her up, and they do, but they
kill her with a falling chair and that's the end of her.
The explosion, I think, was to actually take out Alex.
Oh. Yeah, I like two birds with one.
Stone Line Billy Hitchcock I took my driver's test at the DMV
last week. I got a 70.

(01:07:03):
Lowest score you can get but I passed.
The thing is, when I was done with the test, you know the guy
that drives with you, you know, during the test, right?
Yeah. Well, he goes, young man, you're
going to die at a very young age.
Is that true? Is that true?
And then he's like I. Forgot about that.
And then he's like, no man, you're going to let, you're

(01:07:23):
going to be fine, blah blah. Then he follows it up with.
Cynthia Pastor, Would she say no?
I forgot about this scene. Like he just thinks he's like
this clairvoyant, like all knowing guy because of the whole
thing. Stinker for me was Terry's
death. I think it's pretty ridiculous.
Like the bus is just hauling ass.

(01:07:44):
This giant bus. There's four other people.
Not one of them noticed the bus.A bus that had to weave around a
car that hit a bike in the middle of the road moments
before. The bus didn't even break on
contact. Terry is still on her way to the
Grand Canyon. Like with some old ladies and
the AARP membership or some? Oh my goodness.

(01:08:07):
Just. Wait for mine.
All right, so for me, for my hook, I actually liked Billy's
death. I wasn't expecting it.
I thought Billy's death was going to be a little bit more
dramatic. I think it threw in some good
variety into things because likeyou said, if it had been this
elaborate, you know, Rube Goldberg machine that killed him
too, it's kind of one of those things that's like, OK, we get

(01:08:28):
it, So everything's going to be like this.
But that kind of freshened it up, I thought.
So that's why I really liked Billy's death for my line.
I have blood work because I thought it was so cool that Tony
Todd was in this. I did not know he was in this.
In death, there are no accidents, no coincidences, no
mishaps. And no escapes and no escape.
He's very ominous and I like that for a line and the stinker.

(01:08:52):
I just had Carters death slash the end.
I just really they just kind of were like, well, well, that's
the end of the movie folks. Everybody go home.
We didn't really learn anything or nobody progressed.
Not that they necessarily have to, and but I just think there's
a lot of more interesting ways they could have done the ending
and that would have also allowedfor sequels and stuff.

(01:09:12):
Yeah, for sure. I think too like they are built
up this idea like there could bea way to cheat death.
Yeah, like they. Don't really do anything.
With, But I guess to Logan's point too, with Tony Todd there
in the morgue, he does kind of paint the picture like there is
no escape. Yeah.
Logan, what do you think for? Hook I have Terry's death.
I actually did like it a lot. I thought it was really funny

(01:09:33):
and it really caught me off guard, so that's why.
You audibly. It is funny.
You're like, oh shit. Because I was like, Oh my God, I
was taken back. I have two wines that kind of
are in the same. Bill is going in the closet,
mom's favorite. And then my second, which fits
the same, is in the bathroom. When he's going to the bathroom,

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he thinks he's like, did he die in a plane crash?
I just love every instance of John Denver.
If like any wine, like I would put just anything that has to do
with John Denver because that's so interesting because actually
I have a funny story with that is right before we were leaving
Florida to get out of Disney World, I was listening to music

(01:10:18):
ahead and I kind of like, you know, I was kind of like
sleeping a little bit. So I didn't really notice what
the music was. I woke up as with the bus was
stopping. I woke at what was playing.
It was John Denver and I was like, well, it's.
Been here, John Denver before going on a plane.
Now I'm out, Yeah. Yeah, it was.
That was. Good thing we saw the movie

(01:10:39):
after that, yeah? Yeah, but still I knew.
You knew John Denver. Yeah.
And then my stinker is I think the only big problem for me was
Stiff Lord's death. I wanted more out of the
character. I felt like we didn't get enough
out of him. And I don't think he was like a
good character. Again, all these characters kind
of feel pointless. And his character to the most

(01:10:59):
was just like, what's the point of him?
Being like the foil of like, because he was just a guy trying
to live his life, you know, likeI.
Didn't get like a. Normal dude, compared to, you
know, Clear River, who was a little bit, it was, you know, a
little bit different, a little bit of an outsider, you know?
Well, I think I was thinking too, on the airplane, all Billy

(01:11:21):
does is stand up and he's kind of thrown in there with all of
them. So he's like pushed in there.
Yeah, trying to. Be quiet about that.
He was like a nobody sort of thing and just by happenstance
he got tossed in. So that's kind of his character
for sure. Any honorable mention?
The guy playing guitar at the funeral.

(01:11:42):
Does that. It's it's like such a sappy song
in the background, like Alex andCarter are having this heated
exchange. And all I could hear is,
remember 2nd grade when we made snow angels?
Making snow angels? Yeah.
You always had bigger wings. And like, what is this shit?

(01:12:05):
Going on, who hired this ass? Some 2000.
Shit, right here. See, that would have been a good
instance of One Best Way. Then somebody could have came
out with with the chain eyes. Yeah.
Oh, I did also have as a stinkerand I'll just tell us out there
the CGI was a little dated at some of these.
You could you could tell there was some the CGI work that was a
little bit dated in 2000. Yeah, I mean.

(01:12:27):
Forgivable but. Yeah, some of it looked bad and
some of it looked good. It was kind of weird.
Yeah, like a weird mix because like that fire scene looked
really good. Yeah, they spent a lot of money
on that, that opening scene. They put all their bad money
into that. Well, it's time for our final
race. They're gonna rain the movie.

(01:12:49):
Where will they rain the movie? The killer is great, the victim
sucks. It's what?
Was that? Our final rating system is
Killer, it's our highest rating.It is awesome.
We would highly recommend and itis a must watch.
Survivor is our middle tier. It was a good movie we would

(01:13:12):
probably recommend and has some rewatch ability.
And finally, it's the dreaded victim.
It's our lowest rating. It's a bad movie we do not
recommend and has no rewatch ability.
I got to be honest, I was between survivor and killer on
this. I'm actually going to give this
a killer because I think that's the movie is fun overall, which

(01:13:34):
I love. But the reason why I'm going to
killer is I think it's such an original concept.
They really take this idea of a disaster movie and they turn it
into kind of a slasher movie in a way.
And like Dan had said, it reallydoesn't have it's faceless,
right? There's no there's no actual
physical manifestation, but I just like the idea that death is

(01:13:58):
the killer and it's chasing themdown sooner than later.
And obviously with the elaboratedeaths that they plan out, I
think are amazing to watch. I love Devin Sawa.
I think he's just like, he playsit just like like a regular
person, like if you were in thissituation, there's no like big,
you know, presence of an actor. And yeah, and I, I mean this in

(01:14:22):
a good way for a demon. So because I think he plays it
like a 17 or 18 year old kid would play if they were in this
situation. So I think it's perfect.
Tony Todd's cameo, I think, is just like the cherry on top.
Of this one. But otherwise, I mean, I got to
go killer. The nostalgia thing is super
high too for me, and that alwayskind of bumps it up.

(01:14:43):
So if I was at Survivor, I thinkthat's bumping enough to a
killer for me. Dan, how about you?
I give Final Destination a killer.
I will say that Logan, really, his critiques of this movie
really kind of made me think about changing my rating.
I do think his critiques are valid, but still not enough for
me to change my ranking. I think it's to your point,

(01:15:06):
Kevin, a very entertaining movie.
It's unique. I really enjoy the premise of
Death's design and what happens when it fails.
It stands out from its 90s counterparts that were like
really, really slasher heavy, just trying to ride that like
scream wave. I think that's a bold approach
to go against the grain and offer audiences something

(01:15:27):
different. You can get brainy with this
movie thinking about the rules of life and death and how that
connects to like God or what that says about God in this
story. If design is fallible or is if
it's fallible because of divine intervention.
You can go as deep as you want with this movie, or you can just
accept it on its face value. And I think that's serves like

(01:15:49):
really well as a for a movie overall.
Like I was saying you could justenjoy like the chaos that
unfolds like with a bucket of popcorn leaves you wanting more
with those elaborate kill sequences which they probably
ramp up and all the other movies.
I would recommend it Final Destination as it feels like
it's it's like a sub genre of its own in horror.

(01:16:10):
Something every horror fan I think should at least experience
once. I'm going to go ahead.
I'll give this a killer as well.I thought it was really good.
I think it really was innovativeand and its kills.
I thought it was innovative. And conceptually, I mean,
there's there's some stuff that's kind of shoehorned and
it's not the pinnacle of great writing.
But I think because of the concept and because of the

(01:16:31):
deaths and because of just the terrifying opening scenes of
this movie, I mean, it is it really plays on a lot of fears.
Yeah. And is really a terrifying
movie, which is kind of the point of horror.
And you're certainly on the edgeof your seat trying to figure
out if and when death is coming for the characters.

(01:16:51):
The characters are likable enough or you prefer that death
maybe not come from some of the characters, or at least maybe
most of the characters. So, yeah, even though the ending
was a little bit forgettable, I kind of forgive that and give
this a killer. So yeah, I thought it was a
great movie. Logan, what are your thoughts?
So originally I marked this downas a survivor, but after

(01:17:12):
discussion I have put it down asa victim.
I do not like this movie. I think there is no rewatch
ability for me. It's just a pointless watch if
I'm just supposed to see people die and then go through the
movie like nothing happened. Because as we talked about, the
ending of the movie is 6 months after all this shit went down.

(01:17:34):
Hey, let's go on a plane after we just escaped death.
That didn't happen. Let's just mark that down as,
oh, that just happened. We're just going to keep on
going with life because that's all you can do.
It's stupid, it's dumb. The characters don't have any
meaning if you're just going to do that.
It's just it's. In the immortal words of Hulk

(01:17:55):
Hogan, that doesn't work. For you, that doesn't work for
me, brother, what is this place?Wow, I I didn't realize that you
had that much venom for this movie.
Yeah, there are no Hulka maniacsin this movie.
Well, Nathan, our producer, gavehis rating and he said Final
Destination has mediocre acting,poorly developed characters, and

(01:18:18):
a paper thin story. But I don't really give a damn
about any of that. This movie promises fun Rube
Goldberg death machines and delivers on it Survivor.
We also asked you, our audience,what your thoughts were on Final
Destination. So let's check our Natalie under
score. May under score this movie was a
fresh twist on slashers. It's a killer.

(01:18:40):
Also it has a hot cast a I can'targue with that whipped cream
bikini. Hell yeah. 321 ghost pod.
It's a killer that brought us a franchise.
Love it for sure from Melanie under score.
Saint George 10 out of 10. There was nothing like it when
it came out. Consistent franchise -4 we

(01:19:02):
pretend it doesn't exist. Laugh out.
I agree. Harsh dissect that film.
Pod even after 25 years. This one still.
Brings so much fear to the screen.
It definitely feels it's age butbetween the creative kills and
situations it's still so much fun.
From KL45678. I've been doing a rewatch of

(01:19:24):
these and forgot how fun they are.
Definitely a killer for me. A beloved horror staple with
some great kills and early 2000snostalgia.
From Did you Get That on film? We are a podcast divided.
One of us prefers the original and the other is a huge fan of
the sequel. The original captures that late
90s vibe more than the others ofthat that year that felt more

(01:19:47):
akin to Scream Two. The first one arguably has the
best opening disaster scene because it seems surreal.
It is before the random occurrences that add up to a
disaster. It just happens and the
coincidences just confirms the premonition for the protagonist.
From Twisted Soulmates podcast. This one's a killer made flying.

(01:20:10):
Much more terrifying. Definitely classic.
Yeah. This movie did definitely put a
lot of fear into me. You know what's?
Crazy too, is this movie came out a year before 911.
Yeah. I was just about, I was just
about tired that. That's why horror, kind of.
Fizzled out, yeah. Thank you so much for your
comments. We really appreciate them and.
Listening to what you guys have to think on the movies that we

(01:20:33):
review, I mean, a lot of the similar things with the
nostalgia, that's always good tohear.
Recently we were approached to review a brand new horror short
on YouTube, Bear Claw. Do you want to tell our audience
about it? Yeah.
So the creators of this reached out to us, and it's a new.
YouTube show that's coming out called The Bunny and Bear Show
with its first episode premiering.

(01:20:54):
It's already out on YouTube, so go check it out.
It's by a company called Horror Horde Pictures, and it's just
kind of a short episode called Inner Happiness, and we watched
it and we're going to kind of talk about it real this week.
And it's really cool that there are creators out there that are

(01:21:15):
doing exciting things. And I think this project is
definitely one of those excitingthings in the horror world.
It was a short that went out andI don't know how do you wanna
open it up? What do you guys?
Yeah, just think about it. Do you want to give us your
overall thoughts? Yeah.
So I mean my overall thoughts first.
On it were I really liked it it.Was kind of a twisted take on

(01:21:36):
like maybe a talk show where it's the Bunny and Bear show.
Bear being, you know, they're both wearing masks, but she's
like a twisted kind of, I don't know, the host of the show,
whereas Bunny is more like kind of the second person who's
bringing things on and off the stage and kind of working on the
show. But it's really twisted and it's

(01:21:57):
very analog horror, so it's in real person.
It's not cartoons. And they talk about finding
somebody'd inner happiness and it ends up carving somebody up
in the middle of it. There's this really clever ad
for like this teddy bear. It's like an old school toy ad.
I don't know. It wasn't very long, but it was,
it was like twisted. Yeah, I it kind of reminded me

(01:22:17):
of a lot of the VHS. Movies or even All Hallows Eve
there but I I like it because itit seems like based on some sort
of realism like oh man, like youfound this tape and you put it
in like what is this? And like, very Wyatt, very
Wyatt. Sick success.
Yeah, yeah, if you're a wrestling.

(01:22:38):
Fan for sure like the Wyatt 6. Do these promos that are like
this for sure and like even someof the camera views on the feet
and and different things were really cool The facts too and
like the gore yeah the yeah I think they did a really good job
with. This.
Yeah, I think so too. I think if you're a fan of like

(01:22:59):
horror. And you want to see something
different, this is different. And I think it's worth taking a
look at. Dan, what do you think?
I definitely dig the aesthetic they're going for.
I think like if you're familiar with.
The sci-fi series Channel 0, thefirst season was the season
titled Candle Cove. It's got that vibe to it.
If you're familiar with it, It'sbasically, it reminded me like

(01:23:23):
of like a killer TV, kids TV show where it's kind of like
this thing you kind of stumble upon that you're not shouldn't
maybe have stumbled upon. It's like that.
But then it also meets hostile. It's kind of got that like
torturey element to it. I really like the characters.
I think that, you know, they could do something with these

(01:23:43):
characters in a long format. These little short clips are
great. And I think I look forward to
seeing, like, what they're goingto do with this series going
forward. I think it's it's worth it.
Worth a look. Logan, Any other thoughts
besides the Y 6? That was a good connection
there. Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's very unique. It's very creative.
Very. Innovative.

(01:24:04):
It's very, super interesting. I think it brought me in very
quick, quite fascinating, very, very good stuff.
Yeah, for sure. And and we're going to have the
links down for. The Shore and the YouTube
channel in our description, so if you want to go take a look,
it'll be there for you. Before we end the episode, we
want to embrace the madness and let you all know what we've been

(01:24:25):
up to. So for Straight Jacket talk this
week we reviewed Sinners. So I just rewatched Sinners.
That movie looks so cool. You haven't seen the upper?
I haven't seen it yet man. Take a look at it I think you
really enjoy. It yeah, really.
I think you like music and like music history, Definitely you'll
like that. Yeah, I think it's in contention
for at least the horror movie ofthe.

(01:24:47):
Year so far. So I mean, it's halfway through,
so we'll see what happens, what happens.
But I I think too, it's not onlyjust a good horror movie, it's a
good move. Yeah, it's a.
Very good movie, I'll check it out.
And lastly, just. Watch Happy Gilmore too last
night. On Netflix, How was that?
You know, I think if you're a fan of Happy Gilmore.
The original. You're gonna love this one cuz

(01:25:09):
it's just pure. It feels like you're back in
that world. Yeah, it's just like, it's just
super. Happy.
It's very good. Like I've seen people like
tearing it down, like, oh, that's a shit.
And like, yeah, it's happy guilt.
You watch the original wedding, What are you now?
It's not, it's not gonna be cinema, you know?
Right. Yeah, it's it's Adam Sandler.
It's funny they beat you over the head with nostalgia.

(01:25:31):
But I think that that's part of it.
Too, like cuz that's always how it's been though with Adam
Sandler. Yeah, but like, he knows.
Like the reason why you're turning into happy?
Gilmore 2 is cuz you remember Happy.
Yeah. It's not the same reason you
tuned into Happy. You're signing up for the Adam
Sandler. Recipe to me.
Let him cook right? To me, the Sandman, I like him.
Yeah, I know. Yeah.

(01:25:53):
And Boosh, right, Boosh. I mean, it's just the.
Cast. The cast is there, yeah.
Dan, how about you? I caught the new episode of
South Park this week. Oh my.
God, that was that was a very. Very.
That was probably one of the most funniest episodes.
Of South Park I've I've ever seen, I'm just going to leave it
at that. I caught on my way here.

(01:26:17):
Thrice came out with a new single, so I was able to listen
to that on my on my way over that's awesome songs called
Nash. So I'm anticipating a new Thrice
album coming out soon. So it's now on my radar.
So I'm pretty excited about that.
He was listening to that while inventing his his machine.
That's the music we heard out inthe shed, yeah.

(01:26:37):
Yeah, all the explosions. Very collaba you I've watched.
Some of the new Sandman series. I'm a big fan of.
That that was really good. But I also came across one of
the things that I firmly believeis that horrors next kind of
natural evolution is going to beinto the world of video games.
And and I think that's where it's going.

(01:26:59):
And there's good reason that it's going there, especially
anybody who's who's done VR Biohazard 7 or Biohazard, also
known as Resident Evil 7, I think.
Yeah. But if you've been through that
game with VR on, it's it's pretty terrifying.
And you can kind of see where that is going to be the future

(01:27:20):
of horror. To that end, there is a new
trailer out for a Hellraiser video game.
Oh yeah, yeah, that looks prettyinteresting.
So I'll be I'll be curious. To see where that goes and if.
That ever sees the light of day.But what's cool is they just
announced that Comic Con that the Jason universe.
Right. They're gonna do a new game for

(01:27:41):
really, But also they're gonna do a new sequel movie, and they
said sequel. So I don't know if that's gonna
tie back to the original Jason from Friday the 13th Part 5.
That'd be crazy. If they did another game because
they did one game. Already and that didn't prove
out. So I don't know.
No, actually it was it was got alot of steam.
What happened was it was licensing.

(01:28:02):
Issues What caused the server togo down?
Oh, no. OK, yeah, I mean, so I was
thinking like what you were saying, like horror.
Like seems like video. Games because even John
Carpenter signed on. They're doing a Halloween game.
Yeah. Really.
Yeah. That he's gonna be in charge of.
So like, that's pretty cool stuff.
Well, I mean if you. Play like the Indiana junk.
I mean they can really put you into the.
Movies Now in like a very You'regonna play as Michael Myers to

(01:28:27):
play as Loomis. I wanna play as Loomis.
I wanna play. I wanna play.
Cookie of the lineup, a big woman Cookie woman you have to
line. Up the cookies so that I wanna
play as sheriff. You do?
Yeah. I like Laurie.
I wanna. Play as a guy.

(01:28:47):
Who's the electrician that got Bucky?
Yeah, Bucky. I'll be Bucky.
I'm gonna be gonna play as Bud, man.
Yeah, you played Doctor Charles in Grace.
Well, you gotta, I mean. Halloween 3.
Right, Doctor Jealous. It's gonna be you have to drink
a Bud Light to. To power up, generate.

(01:29:08):
Your 100% if they're making a video.
Game of it, it's 100. Percent gonna.
Play out like Halloween 3 but with Michael Myers, where it's
gonna be all new characters. You got me excited.
I want all this. You want Sheriff bracket?
I'll take them all, OK. Barry Sims speaking my language.

(01:29:29):
Logan, how about you first? Thing off the bat, my birthday
was. Last week.
Happy. Birthday.
That was the big thing, yeah, I got some new games.
First game that we're gonna. Obviously by the time this comes
out I'll probably play the second game I got, but I'm
taking my time with it. But the first game I play is
Donkey Kong Bonanza and the Nintendo Switch to amazing game.

(01:29:54):
Yes, it made me rage quit, Yes it made me not like Donkey Kong
as much. But my God, man, it is such a
beautifully stunning game. It reminds me so much of like
Legend of Zelda, like Tears of the Kingdom.
It is like on the same wavelength as that.
I think it's like if that's the games that are going to come out
on the console. I am so excited for the future

(01:30:16):
of $80 games that are coming outbecause my God, then 80 bucks
and then the big thing that I did go see on Friday was
Fantastic Four. It was awesome.
I really enjoyed it, I think from where I was last year.
Now. As we are recording this, a year

(01:30:37):
ago today, Robert Downey Junior announced that he was going to
play Doctor Doom. And a year ago I was very
hesitant about what the future of superhero movies were going
to because it felt like a cash wrap.
And yes it is but and yes and no, no, yes and no.
But I. Happily gave them my money, but

(01:30:58):
I. Happily said my.
Money is yours, the beautiful thing about.
This year is all the Super movesI've pretty much seen have all
been really good. Superman was amazing.
Thunderbolts is amazing. This movie though, Fantastic
Four brought something like Holein Me where I just felt like a
little kid watching again and I felt like all the characters are
super good. Everything about it was

(01:31:19):
fantastic. The score was unbelievable.
Mike, Michael. Dicante was so.
Good. I don't know, I just feel like
superhero movies on a whole are on like.
Life support. So the reason that is, is
because the oversaturation of. The the movies and that they
didn't pan out to the way that people wanted them to.

(01:31:41):
This era was Superman and Fantastic Four.
Both movies I think are the reincarnation of superhero
movies. If we stay the course and we
don't do too much at like a certain time, I think that is
the ingredient. That's the secret sauce cause I
want everyone to try to check out both movies because they are
both like really really good. When are both movies Superman

(01:32:06):
and Fantastic Four? Especially Fantastic Four.
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Finally, we have our e-mail address right to Bear Claw at
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What's your favorite Devin Sawa film.
Yeah, definitely let me know. I'm a big Devin Sawa fan.
You know we're going to be. Reviewing Idle Hands soon.

(01:32:51):
I'm so excited. That's a sneak preview to all
the folks out there that we are going to be doing that movie
soon. So look out for that episode and
shoot me an e-mail about what you think of Mr. Sawa, though
the Sawa train continues. Yeah, Little.
Tease from miracle. I love it.
That does it for our. Review on Final Destination, but
we'll be back soon with another episode and we're going to be

(01:33:13):
reviewing Dance Pic Urban Legend.
Find out what happens when you drink soda and Pop Rocks.
Scary, scary hours. Join us.
As the Summer of Madness 2025 rolls on, and back to the
pattern room with you. Great episode, guys.
Yeah, I think it went really well.

(01:33:34):
Yeah. Yeah, it went pretty.
Good guys. God, I I you know, it was a
good. Episode but God damn it Dan,
this thing has. Been bothering you all night,
Logan. Yeah, this thing is a freaking
eyesore. Let's get.
This thing, Seriously, I think we should hold.
Off we gotta wait for I'm not holding off.
It has to. Show up.
You can't just activate the machine.
Without death being here. Logan, I don't care about death.
I'll never die. Dan Don't.

(01:33:56):
Don't touch that. Oh.
Shit. Oh no.
Not Bluey.

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