42. Urban Legend

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Oh bear claws, Oh my God, why don't you have your lights on?
Sorry. Flashing us.
Flashing us. I gotta turn those lights on, my
God. I just woke up from the most
fucked up dream. I was making a machine and you
were there and you were there and you were there and we were
trying to trap death and. You know what, guys?
I I think I see a gas station coming up.

(00:22):
I think we got to pull this thing off the side of the road
here on our tour. Yeah.
Yeah, Dan, you might need. Something I need to change my my
shorts? You get angry when you're
hungry. Oh, might as well get some
enchiladas there. Yeah, definitely.
So you are you. Don't know what death is?

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Be afraid, Be very afraid. Welcome to the madness.
We are the Mouths of Madness, your new favorite podcast for
horror movie reviews. We're coming to you live
tonight, Well from the Madness car here as we continue the
Summer of Madness. Quick, no mad Mobile.
Ohh, the mad mobile. So much better madness scarf

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boom. Let's do that again.
We're coming to you live tonightfrom the Mad Mobile.
No mad fan. Well, we just got back in the
car after the gas station here, and this is our episode 42 on
the 1998 Urban Legend. My name is Kevin, and let me
introduce you to the other members of Madness.

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First we have Dan. Dan, what did you get at the gas
station? There and Kevin, I just got some
pop rocks and and some soda. You know, I just, I need a
little sugar buzz to just kind of get myself out of this funk
from that dream. It was just just, I'm so
surreal, man, Wow. Isn't that a little dangerous?
I'm not worried about that's, that's old urban legend shit.

(02:04):
I don't buy into that. Next we have the mayor of
Halloweentown. It's bear claw.
Bear claw. What did you get?
You got a bag here for? So I got a couple of things
here, but the main thing that I think everybody should be
excited about is this Mad Mobileis about to be off the hook, as
they would say, because I boughtthis 24 Cursed Songs album.

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They gave it to me for a song atthe gas station.
It was only $5. Couldn't believe I was still
buying CDs, but I got it here for us.
I think, you know, we're back inthe car now.
We're all refueled from the gas station.
I think it's time we get back onthe road, gentlemen.
And I think there's nobody better to bring us on the road
than some of these tunes here. I.
I could use, I could use some some music man.

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Dan, get the adapter going here.Let's get this.
And finally, we have the youngest member of Madness, my
son Logan. Logan, what'd you get?
You got a couple of enchiladas there.
Oh man, I got some enchiladas, man, they're going to back up my
stomach. But it's OK, you know why?
Because I found in the back of that nice gas station some high
C acto cooler that. Past those bad boys up here,

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man. Come on.
Between that and the enchiladas,just know we're not stopping
again for a while, gentlemen. It's expired in the 90s, so
we're going to be pretty effed up by the end.
Anything to do at this point, you're going to be hanging out
the window, so just be ready. Did you get the adapter working?
Oh yeah, we are ready to go. We've got the G4 skip going.
No, no, no bumps in the road. It's going to stop.
Bear Claw hit the play. Let's see what this guy what?

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Is this Yeah. This is now no next.
Oh, oh, wait, this one. Hold on everybody.
Let's give this one. Let's get a little bit of a
slow. Start.
Wait a minute. Hang on.
You want to you want to get intothis All right?
Oh. God, I guess if you can't beat
them, join them, turn around. Every now and then I get a

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little bit terrified, but I see the look in your right.
Turn around. Is that the Mothman?
I thought I saw something. Flying over there, get a little
bit lonely and I didn't want to turn.
Did you guys see, did you guys see that clown who was like just
standing in the woods? We just drove right by.

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I'm driving by. Wait a minute.
Did you hear that gas station guy back there?
What was he telling something? I don't know.
Hey, turn it off. He's.
Trying to chase us down. We can outrun him.
He's only on foot. Turn around.

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It's a total eclipse of the heart.
I moved to tears right now. It's beautiful, guys.
Well, there are a lot of other great horror movie podcasts out
there, but what separates us from the other ones, besides
being musically inclined, is that we're going to give you the
older versus younger generation perspective.

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Myself, Dan, and Bear Claw were all born in the 1980s, while my
son Logan was born in the 2000s.So this is the Clash of the
generations. Without any further ado, grab
your soda and Pop Rocks, pull upa chair, hold on to your
straight jacket tight, and let'sdive into the madness, guys.

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Need a break? You guys are all over with your
lyrics. We watched Urban Legend from
1998. It was written by Silvio Horta.
It was directed by Jamie Blanks.This is kind of a cool story.
He was an unknown director at the time, but he had received
the screenplay a couple years earlier for the movie Scary

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Movie, which would later become Scream.
He lost the job, obviously, to Wes Craven, but then he received
the screenplay for I Know What You Did Last Summer, and he
wanted to make a big impression on the movie studio.
So what he did was he went out and he directed his own trailer

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to the movie based on the scriptand used his own money and
friends and made this trailer. Talk about making it happen.
Yeah, and the studio loved it, but they had already signed Jim
Gillespie as the director for I Know What You Did Last Summer.
But the payoff would eventually come when the studio received
the screenplay for Urban Legend and offered Blanks the movie.

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Casting wise, this is a huge cast.
I mean we. Have namely other projects
there. There's a lot.
Yeah, we have Jared Leto in one of his first movie roles as
Morbin Time We also have. No one's seen that shit.
We also have Alicia Witt as Natalie and she had done earlier

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work with David Lynch for Dune in 1984 and Twin Peaks.
What was she even do? Alia.
Oh, she was Alia, the sister. Oh, OK.
Oh. OK, I'm glad you knew that.
She was like a little kid in that movie.
Yeah, 'cause a little Alia in that movie had red hair.
Yeah. OK, that off track.
She was also in long legs. She played the mother.

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Oh I didn't know that. Wow wow wow.
Tara Reid is in this and one of her first movie roles as Sasha.
She had an amazing 1998 and 1999best known for.
American pay. Yes, and she also did The Big
Lebowski in 1998 as. Well, oh, she did, did she?

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That's great, she did. Yeah, Rebecca Gayhart stars as
Brenda. Rebecca Gayhart had a couple
iconic horror movie roles. In 1997, she was in Scream 2,
and then in 1999 she was in Jawbreaker.
So she had a couple cool book and rolls.
We have Joshua Jackson as Damon.Do you know who he's best known

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for? Dawn Way.
Yes. I don't want to live.
Studio Jesus, this is going to be the demonetized episode.
Another Dawsons Creek alumni here.
They played the music too, and. He was also in Mighty Ducks.
What's cool though is he had a couple great years here in the
late 90s. He did Scream 2 in 1997
alongside Rebecca Gayhar. He also did at Pupil in 1998 and

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Cruel Intentions in 1999. Forgot.
He was in the. Faculty.
He was not. What about the skulls?
That was kind of what I was saying.
Yeah, I think that was in 2000. OK.
So he had a couple of great years in a row.
We also have Danielle Harris as Tosh.
Do you know who she's best knownfor?
She is a little girl in the Thorn trilogy.

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Yes, she played Jamie Lloyd, butnot in all of them.
Just four and five. The 2.
Worst. Also the daughter in Rob Zombies
Halloween. The sheriff's daughter.
We have Robert England as Professor Rexler bitch.
What did he do? He hasn't done really anything.
Relatively unknown at this time,Nobody.

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And we also had a cool cameo from Brad Dorff as the gas
station attendant. Did you recognize him?
What a waste of a great a actor.No, I think he maximized his
potential with what he had he. Forgot about the most important.
He always does. Michael Rosenbaum, Yeah.
You know what? He was actor.
He was in Smallville. As.

(09:26):
Lex Luthor dude it's so weird tosee him cuz I was just watching
Smallville recently and I see him with hair and I'm like who
are you? He's this imposter.
He's. Got a really good podcast too,
especially if you're into like acting in movies.
It's like inside something or another.
Yeah, yeah, I've seen a bunch ofdifferent ones.
He's. A really good podcast.
So Steve really, really does a good job of it.

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But yeah. Well, maybe sometime we'll have
him on The Mouse Menace. Oh my God.
That would be pretty awesome. Legend had a budget of $14
million. Do you know how much it made at
the box office? I'm going to open this up.
I'm going to go this made it cool, $65 million.
Dance wants to go first here I'm.
Going to go with solid $42.1 million.

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I'm glad you went first because I'm going to outscore Bear Claw
by a little bit. I'm going to go 68 million.
Logan's, the closest urban legend, made $72.5 million at
the box office. I was in the neighborhood.
I feel good about that guess. Yeah, I did pretty well.
Currently on Rotten Tomatoes, Urban Legend has a 30% critic

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score. What?
And a 38% audience score. Wow.
Yeah, it's not very kind. Those are those are harsh.
I would think that it'd be a little bit better than that.
Well, our buddy Rodger Ebert, let's hear what he has to.
Say this guy has to say this idiot.
Maybe it was him roaming around in the woods.
Not bad here. 2 out of four stars.
He said urban legend is not art,but for its teenage audience it

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serves the same purpose, which is to speed up the meeting of
like minds. He also had another comment here
and he said I found this funny. Robert England, who is to
slasher movies as the Quaker is to oatmeal.
You know Ebert, he's got a mind,but he doesn't like to use it a
lot. I just think these guys with

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their whole like, oh, this is art and this is not art.
I think that's very close mind. I think the horror community is
deserves better, frankly. Yeah, I, I think so.
I mean. I'm with Ebert.
Yeah, it it's kind of funny to look back at these and see what
Ebert was thinking and rating them.
The one we had just covered Final Destination he wasn't too
harsh on, so it's kind of cool to see where he lands.

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On 4, though, that's not like that's not great still.
Yeah, it's not great. It's.
It's good for Ebert. Though.
Like Ebert's like, yeah, it's mid, Yeah.
Like I read heretic. Can you imagine if Ebert had a
letterbox what that would look like?
Now Jesus shouldn't have. I feel like the movies.
Theater box. I feel like the movies nowaday

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would have killed Ebert because there's just not none of these
art house stuff that he rates high has survived.
Yeah, in Marvel's week. So.
I mean I would like to see what he would rate like movies like
Hereditary. Yeah, I guess some of that 824
stuff I feel like, I think. He would actually like A-24
style compared to like other. Yeah, well, they do try and

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really have a solid plot and story.
So that's a big. Swear to God.
Over, over a vast amount of horror movies that we've seen.
You know, some of them tend to kind of gloss over that aspect
of things. Yeah, some of them know, but you
know. For sure swear.
To God, if he talks about Midsommar and in any way I'll,
I'll come for him. They're travel 6 feet deep.

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Yeah, I. Will.
That won't stop them. This was Dan's pick for an
episode. So, Dan, why did you choose
Urban Legend for us to review? It seems so fitting we've been
taking the summer to explore these late 90s horror movies.
Urban legend, to me is an essential must cover from that
era. I'd put it as my #2 slasher
movie from the Dawson's Creek universe, right behind Scream.

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I watched this movie quite a bitgrowing up.
I think it's an underrated movie, and I'm curious what you
guys and our listeners have to say about this one.
Well, what's our overall thoughts on urban legend?
Dan, have you seen this one in awhile?
Been a while since I've seen it,but if I could like kind of give
you my like, big takeaways from this movie.
Love the opening scene. I think it's a classic horror

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movie opener. Again, I think it's criminally
underrated. I love the killer in this movie.
I love the kills, I love the chase scene and I love the cast
ensemble. I think those are like the big
takeaways from this movie in terms of things that I think are
really strong, things that I didn't really particularly like.
I think the third act is really,really rough.

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The killer reveal is OK. I would have liked Paul as
Brenda's accomplice maybe, and Paul using the story to launch
his journalism career kind of like what is kind of alluded to.
I know that it's like the most obvious one that and it's like
such a red herring, but man, I feel like it's just, it feels
right if they just went that direction.

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Paul wouldn't F himself over, right?
Unless he's just that messed up in the head.
He's like, I don't care, nothingmatters.
No, no, like I mean, it'd be himand him and the shit together,
working together. She's really infatuated with
him. He's kind of taking advantage of
her. Like he's the master manipulator
behind everything and he's working it for this story, his

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career. Then he's got his girl on the
side that he doing all his handiwork for kind of kind of
deal. I didn't like the fake outs.
Like there are too many fake outs at the end and like they
made Brenda pretty much unkillable.
Like that's like, to me, the most glaring issue.
Yeah, she like my projected through her window at three
stories, if we want to be generous.

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And then thrown from a car. Which pops right up thrown from
a car window. I mean she is quite durable so.
Doing quite all right at the endof that movie like.
Maybe it's like a Michael Myers crossover thing, like the
murders make her stronger kind of thing.
I was thinking maybe she's like the crypt keeper.
Yeah, could be she's. A urban legend.
She's just so crazy that like the crazy, crazy she's.

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Like a bitch from the night. Crazy fuels her rage.
Yeah, you're right, Logan. She is like the crazy girl from
the 9th Gate. What was her?
Name, but that girl was. Hot seraphine or something?
Oh, the one who is. Angel, the one who's no, the one
who's who had sex with Johnny Depp and.
Then like I. Was crying.
Telfer. Telfer Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This. Is Telfer.
Yeah, she had that. Oh man, yeah that's cool.

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I have something similar for my conspiracy corners.
Oh OK, I like it. Bear Claw Is this your first
time seeing urban legends? Yeah, this is the first time
seeing Urban Legends. Haven't seen this movie at all.
Didn't know anything about it. Went in completely blind.
So it was a good watch for me. I really enjoyed this movie.
I thought it was a lot of fun. I thought there were, you know,

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great kills, even though that they were a little delayed.
They didn't really get into the good kills until about 3/4 of
the way into the movie. There was a couple of okay ones
earlier on, but I think the kills started to really go
uphill in the later half in the movie.
And to be honest with you, the later half in the movie is what
tied a lot of this together for me.
But I understand there was a lotof setup and things.

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I really enjoyed the mystery aspect of this.
I really enjoyed how they tied everything together.
I also really enjoyed how Brendadidn't just come out of the
ether as she wasn't. Like, oh.
You, like Brenda done it. She wasn't a late.
Friend. Yeah, like everybody's like, oh,
Brenda, like she like nodding their heads, not knowing who the

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fuck Brenda is. Oh, that.
Would have been even funnier if they're like, what the hell are
you? Yeah, yeah.
No, they all knew who she was. She traveled with their friends.
Some of the script is definitelyvery on the nose, but you know,
they got a lot they have to workthrough to try and incorporate
this mystery build character. So I get it, you know, And well,
these scripts, sometimes you gotto Fast forward through things.

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The 90s, yeah, to make it work, The 90s.
I love the 90s flavor of this movie, especially all the
cordless phones and Internet connections with one phone line.
This is my phone. Fighting over 1 computer.
I was irritated washing that like God chat too.
Yeah. Yeah, well.

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You'd be, you'd be chatting withyour friends and then somebody
would need to get on the phone and get off the get off the
Internet line. Talking to the love of my life
right now. She is from San Diego.
California. She is a babe.
A babe. I'm just chatting with hot babes
all day. The point?
Don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes.

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Question for you. Yeah.
Did. You know it was Brenda.
Did you have it like? No, I had no idea it was Brenda.
Worked pretty good. So it did catch you by surprise
a little bit. A little bit.
I mean, I had by the time and this, I think it's in the movies
credit by the time it got to thereveal, I thought it could be

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one or both of them. I thought it could be a couple
of different people because noneof them until Robert England was
dead in the back of the seat, I thought it could have been him
as well. Yeah, because I have Robert
England in the movie if you're not going to use him for
something like that. But I thought it could have been
him. And Brenda threw off a bad vibe
for most of the movie, so they did kind of hint that it could

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have been her. She was definitely somebody I
was thinking about as a possibility.
So I just like how they made thewhole thing consistent and they
made it make sense and they madeher motivation make sense.
And plus Brenda's character really seems like the type of
person because like that was kind of a big part of my beef
with I know what you did last summer is like seeing this

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hardened older fisherman like plan out all of these elaborate
things and things like that. So that's stretched my credulity
a little bit there, you know, because I I feel like he would
be more of just pick up the axe or or hook in his case and just
start slaughtering, you know, not waiting for a time and place
and special date. But Brenda seems like the the

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the type of person who would kind of orchestrate all of these
elaborate things. She's very passionate about her
crime she's about to commit. Yeah, so that made it that all
all made it really good. And and you know, one of the
important things about this movie that I really liked is it
had its goofy moments, but it was fun.
And and I think that's super important with a horror movie

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because if you don't make it fun, what's the point?
But I do have to say it, it's got an automatic -10 points for
me because there's nothing supernatural in it.
But that's -10 points, Capello Yeah, well, there's nothing
supernatural whatsoever. But besides, you know, maybe
some of the the weird things that happened and nobody
witnessed but. Or getting.

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Projectile like or yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff.
But I mean, yeah, from some typeof point scale it doesn't exist
-10 points for not supernatural.It's funny, like hearing your
take on it because I had seen this like years ago, another one
like Final Destination, but I really didn't and remember a lot
of it. I was telling Dan before we
recorded that really the things I remembered were the opening

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scene and the killer review. One of the things I wish I
didn't remember was the killer. Yeah, because I think they do it
really well in this for me. And the payoff is there.
It was still there. It was a fun time watching it
this time, but I wish I hadn't remembered it so I can.
It was, it was a lot of fun having seen it for the first
time, not knowing who the killerwas and being like, oh, it's

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Brenda. And then Paul is not involved.
Yeah, I like everybody else, youknow, kind of was like Paul's
probably got something to do. Yeah.
I had a weird watch during this.I thought the opening was great.
I mean it hooks me in right awayright and then it was going
pretty good. I I was into it and involved
like what's going on here? We got the great Tosh kill and

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then like right after that it was like they just snapped me to
sleep a little bit. It's.
Just like a bit of a drop off, yeah.
I would way, way down right and I was like wow, like this is not
awful. The pacing just for me took a
dive. It was a challenge to get
through that middle part of the movie.

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Now I will say all of a sudden like the ending though went and
got me right back into it again.It was kind of like that moment
in Halloween 2018 where like Doctor Sartain kills and then
puts Michael Myers mask on and stuff Is it was like that for me
where it was like, Oh my God, this is ruining the movie for me

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just the pacing wise. But I will say the ending
changes that for me because I thought the ending was all
really done well. It hits high gear, it gives you
like all these kills, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And then like you have the chasing scenes.
I mean, it really amps it up. All of a sudden I get that
middle part was really setting up the mystery, setting up, you

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know who's who's it going to be?The whole thing with like the
college kind of trying to cover up all the murders.
Only lunatic on this campus is you.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think the movie really started to gain
steam for me around the Dean's death.
Yes, Yeah, Dean's death. Yes, that's right.
Right up. Again, was a real pick up point
for me because up until that I was like what are we doing here

(22:38):
guys? Yeah, what are we?
Yeah, for sure. And I think this movie has a lot
of good. And then I think there's some
bad and it's kind of like these the other movies on our Summer
of Madness tour. I think there's a lot of good in
these and then there's some bad.And then I think the question we
have to ask ourselves when we watch them is, is the bad real

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bad? Or is it like, OK, I can watch
this and overlook the bad stuff because I'm having fun?
Yeah, you said like the one thing that is giving this movie
huge points in my book is a coherent story that is tied
together. The character motivations match,
the killers motivation matches and everything kind of is

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consistent like why Brenda is doing this.
Away from me, but it was your. Car.
Oh, OK, because it was her boyfriend.
It ties back to some previous things.
And I don't know, that to me goes a long way towards a movie
that is like a good movie versusjust, Oh, well, let's just

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stitch this stuff together and whatever, it'll be fine Then
They're not going to pay attention to that.
Logan, your first time watch of urban legend.
What's your thoughts? On hands are going up.
I don't know. It's a cinema.
Cinema. Cinema.
Dude I will say this, I don't think I can fairly rate this
movie. I fell asleep each time I tried

(24:05):
to watch. This.
This has never happened to me before whenever we watch a
movie. That's just how like much this
movie just went. Did you, like, start nodding off
like almost exactly around the same point?
Like, is there a point you couldlike they're like, you know,
it's a. Funny story that my grandfather
always says there's always a point in Jaws, like the iconic

(24:28):
movie Jaws where he falls asleepand it's right as they get on
the boat. He falls asleep in this movie
each and every single time and there was some points or I watch
it like 3 or 4 times 'cause I had to go back and watch it
right, Right. The point where we just talked
about it, where the roommate gets killed, right after that I
went to sleep each and every time I went to sleep and it

(24:51):
just, I couldn't stay awake. It was so.
Boring. It was so God.
What about the ending though? Did that pick you back and?
Now let's get into that. So as I did my third rewatch
trying to stay awake, I got the.Cup of coffee and.
I had to get like an air. Dose.

(25:11):
I like lithium each time I he got through it thankfully and I
got to the ending and I was likewow, it took you an hour to get
to this shit. And it.
Already lost me. Like you can't just throw in
this shit just to get me to go like, Oh yeah, I guess that was
worth it. No, it wasn't worth it.
That's like telling me like, Oh yeah, you have to go through all

(25:33):
this crazy shit to get to the center of the Tootsie Roll pop.
I'm not doing that shit. Like I'm not going through hell
to go right to like heaven or something like that.
Just there's some things that I won't do in this life.
I'm not going to sit through an hour long movie of terribleness
just because a good ending happened.
Did this movie feel dated to you?
Like, Oh no, it's not that with the Internet stuff.

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Oh no. That.
I mean, you weren't really around for a lot of that.
No, I. Wasn't at all.
You weren't. You were never AOL.
He wasn't around for Black Christmas either.
You love that. I it's not about the data, I
don't care about the data cause screen two set in a college is
awesome. Yeah.
I love that. That's like, my favorite, like,
and H2O is another movie where Ithink, like, college movies are

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my kind of thing, especially with the slasher.
It's just, I think the pacing, yeah, was all the way off.
There was no characters that I really was like, oh, man, I
can't wait to see what this happens.
I didn't give a shit about the characters.
And some characters just walked away and I didn't see them for
40 minutes. And it's like, OK, here's
Michael Rosenbaum, a guy who I like, wait a minute.

(26:40):
Where is he for the entirety of this movie?
Oh, yeah, here he is. And, you know, it's just like,
it's just a lot for me to, like,get into Jared Leto, who I hate.
I will say that I don't like Jared Leto.
So for me to watch him for the entirety of this movie, pretty
much. And Casey, who I hate.
Dang, poor bass he. Deserved it.
I just got a message from Jared later on.

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I'm afraid you're out of the cult, Logan.
You're out of the sex cults. I just, I don't know, there was
a, there was a lot of stuff thatI just didn't like about the
movie and I don't think it. Was the dial up?
On the dial up, yeah, he just, he just aimed to me.
He's been. Blocked.
Yeah. You're out, you're out.
He he he gets these live streamed so it.
Happens once he's. Got the connection for that.

(27:22):
I got Nicholas Cage. I don't care about Jared Leto.
I just think, I think for the ending it just didn't work for
me. You know, I got you.
Yeah. No, that's fair.
I want to get into some of the movie, and especially starting
with the opening because I thinkthe openings really, really
iconic. We all kind of mentioned it.
Even Logan was awake for the opening.

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Oh yeah. I mean, I just felt bad for poor
Brad Dwarf. All he's, all he's trying to do
is save a young woman's life. He got, he's just a man that
owns the garage. He's just trying to.
He's trying fill up her car. He sees something amiss.
He's trying to make it right. He's trying to be.
A hero. Why would he tower though?
My dark sense of humor really chuckled later when they were

(28:04):
like, Oh yeah, they caught him. They arrested the.
Police arrested that gas stationattendant this afternoon.
Jail. Yeah, it's fucked up.
What evidence do they have? All he was trying to do was help
her and all he got for his trouble was pepper spray.
So you should have filled up hercar and been like good.
Luck in. Fact how would they tie that
back to her cameras? Like how would they tie?

(28:26):
How would they tie one thing to the other just because and also
they can see she we really beat the shit out of him, like I
don't. Think it's off defense?
Yeah, I know. I don't know what they got him
on, but the poor guy, the poor guy is just trying to earn a
paycheck. Just trying.
To they could. Have told her.
I mean, it was. It was kind of ominous though.
And they play on the trope here,which is what I like.

(28:48):
Yeah, like a creepy gas station guy, like our boy from Cabin in
the Woods there, you know? The Harbinger.
The Harbinger, right? Oh yeah.
What war is that, Sir? You don't know damn what war it
was so well, I, I like how they play with this at the beginning
because it's like, wait a minute, would you go inside like
the credit card companies on thephone?

(29:09):
Credit card companies on the phone.
Like. Yeah, I don't know, like, and
Brad Dorff, I mean, genius actor.
I mean, he played it like a really like, I feel like I might
have been like, this guy's got to tell me something.
I might want to go check it out because he never came off as
like he had bad intentions. He just was like, hey, why don't

(29:31):
you come inside for a second here?
And. Yeah, but you're like a woman,
like in like a car by himself out in the middle of nowhere.
Unbeknown shot, she was by. Here he was trying to be a hero.

(29:51):
I would just like to acknowledgesomething too.
She got in her car when it was daylight.
Yeah, well, she had a long way to go and she ran out of gas.
I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying like, at what
point was what point was the killer in the backseat?
Yeah, I can think about it as like, New Girl where like the
dude's singing and they're like,still in the backseat.
Like Jesus Christ, when are we finally there?
Like, how long are you in the backseat?

(30:13):
Like she's not here. Like somebody like jostle
around. Maybe somebody like caught like,
you know. She was playing her tunes and
singing. She couldn't hear anything in
the. Back and it was Brenda in the
back too and we find that out atthe end, but.
Yeah, I mean, I this opening I think hooks you right in.
And obviously you get, like Logan said, the the iconic line
from Brad Dwarf. You know, there's somebody in

(30:35):
the back saying, yeah, after, you know, the poor guys on the
ground all fucked up. Yeah, yeah, he's.
Still got pepper sprayed. He got kicked in the balls like
she drops. Him kicked him in the balls.
He's still trying to save her like a hero.
Yeah, he should have come in at the end and shot the Brenda.
He should. Have died so we can put him.
On the plane. Too bad he didn't get killed.

(30:57):
Oh. Yeah.
You know what, though? This maybe goes into why Brenda
survives at the end. Because she axes.
What's her name? Michelle.
I don't know. Yeah, Michelle.
She this is Michelle while she'sdriving, right?
Uh huh. The fucking car would have went
off the road. I mean, Brenda's lucky to be.
Alive, isn't it? Well, I mean, she is quite

(31:17):
durable, so that's what I'm saying.
I'm. Defying We should have known
from this opening scene, Brenda can survive.
Brenda can murder powers her, soit's like a murder.
When vengeance consumes nothing.I want to get your thoughts on
the atmosphere because Logan hadtouched on it.
He really enjoys college atmosphere, I thought.
That I thought that. Actually, when you're a guy

(31:38):
going to college, it's pretty scary to know that your college
is like, attacked by a like, basically a serial.
It's a serial killer. Yeah, it's a serial killer.
They've killed multiple people. It's nice, especially with these
movies, when you're nice, nice when you can kind of you
understand the world you're in. You know what I mean?
There are bounds. This is a college, you know,
campus. This is this is the rules of a

(32:00):
college campus. These are the things that are
likely to happen. It's a nice when they kind of,
you know, one of the things thatI think is a theme for me with
this movie is technically they check all the boxes.
They have a story that makes sense.
I thought the movie was beautifully shot.
I thought it had really good kills in it.
I thought it was well shot and technically it's very good.

(32:21):
I think it sometimes lacks some flavor, but I think net it
really is a technical achievement of just a really
technically good horror movie. I really like the college
setting, especially in a more like stady woodsy setting
especially adds to creepiness and night time, like just the

(32:45):
shadowing and all like it's justspookier, especially because
it's night time, it's less populated, it's almost haunted.
It has a haunted element to it. And especially when they have
that urban legend about the dormitory.
This guy, he just. Flips out, you know, goes
completely berserk. Grabs a hunting knife.

(33:05):
Where the teacher or professor whatever went in and killed a
bunch of students and then themselves.
Or it. Was a Dean, or it might have
been the Dean. It was somebody in the faculty
or admin that that killed. Yeah, it's kind of cool because
they almost had their own urban legend and like they had that
empty. The empty dormitory, yeah, yeah,
it's the one that they they claim all the murders happened

(33:27):
in. So like there's even that like
ghost story element to it lends to all that setting.
I like how it's confined like I like, you know, because it feels
like there's not many ways to gohere a little bit.
You have you have a ways to travel to get to like
civilization. And this is supposed to take
place kind of close to where we live, right?
It's in New Hampshire. I I saw New Hampshire and main

(33:49):
plates. Well, the college that they went
to was supposedly in Toronto or something like that.
It was like a Canadian, really. Oh, I thought it was out of New
England. Well, it looks like it's out in
New England, but the college, I think it was Canadian, but let
me. The name of the university in
the movie is Pendleton. Yeah, I think it was supposed to

(34:09):
look like Princeton or Yale. I'm just checking the Chess
Master 3000 here. It was more like in the city
though. Ontario, Canada.
Yep, specifically in Toronto andPetersboro, such as Trinity
College and Trenton University for Pendleton.
Wow, the more you know. Yeah.
I mean, it's, I think it's elevated a little bit because
these are older kids too. They're not in high school.

(34:33):
So they're a little bit more self-reliance, I guess.
Yeah, they go. They do things.
They're not just, you know, justschool and home.
It's scarier because they're kind of between those, you know,
college kids are always kind of a group that I think horror
movies picked on because you're between being an adult and
being, you know, an adult is going to handle things
differently than a college kid, but a college kid is going to

(34:55):
handle things differently than akid in high school.
You know, they're going to have a little bit more maturity, but
still doing stupid shit. You know they.
Need to be able to access thingsthat kids can't, but they can't
also be as mature as adults are.They still need to be stupid,
but within a certain level of stupidity, they.
Need to be in that sweet spot for stupidity.

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I I give them credit for starting this first one in a
college cuz like Logan had mentioned some of the other ones
that were sequels that go to college.
There's more than one. No, it's more than one urban
legend. There is, Yeah.
There's two of them, I believe. The final cut Three.
Yeah. Yeah, there's one.
Way I've heard a final cut, but I realize there's more than one.
More than two? Excuse me?

(35:37):
But yeah, there's like 3 left. There's three There's Urban
Legend, Urban Legend Final Cut, and Urban Legend Bloody Mary
2000. Which I've actually heard is 40%
of Rotten Tomatoes I think. That I'm not mistaken.
Someone needs to bring that downa peg.
It's higher than this one. It's.
Higher than War of the world? I thought this was like, cool

(35:58):
having an urban legend class, yeah.
Yeah, that's a real thing, Yeah.Yeah, Is that a real thing?
Colleges, they have all sorts ofcrazy electors, of course I.
Took I took many a crazy electors.
I took ground school. I took Crotty.
I'm a yellow belt, yeah. Don't mess with the Bear Club.
Yeah, that's true. I I've got my yellow belt, I'm

(36:19):
pretty sure I might owe some money to some Crotty association
for that ranking. All I can imagine is cream.
I did get my credit. I, I did get my credit for that
class. I took dinosaur class.
I had to make up some credits and I had to take some kind of
off the wall of classes to fit in my schedule.
They're out there. You got to look deep in that, in
that registration catalog, but they're there.
Dude, I've never gone to college, but this would make me

(36:42):
love college. Like, you know, Yeah.
Plus, you're Robert England. They those, those little classes
are like the saving grace of allof college because like you're
all your intensive courses and you got that one cool, easy,
cool active class. You just go to like, relax.
I'm just taking information. Having Robert England as your
teacher. I know you get a pop quiz every

(37:02):
week like that shit. Also, can I just say I hate when
college movies are in like this big lecture hall or whatever
that makes me so pissed off 'cause then I'm like, Oh my God,
like, 'cause I'm I'm here sitting like a regular
classroom. These people get like a huge.
Ass not everywhere, every college.
Where I went, where I went to school, these lecture halls were

(37:22):
200 plus people in one class. I had AI had a couple of lecture
hall courses too. They were.
I enjoy this scene because, you know, we have like kind of going
over and laying the base for like, oh, you've heard of this
urban legend, right? Huh.
You know, in the Pop Rocks and soda.
That's wrong. Something you might have heard
about mixing pop rocks and soda.I never heard I I don't know

(37:46):
about you guys before. I've heard.
Like that. That was actually the first time
I ever heard of the Pop Rocks and Soda was from that movie.
Yeah. Oh see, yeah, I'd never heard of
the Pop. The only one.
And it's not an urban legend so much he has the Mentos and
Pepsi. I've done the Mentos and Pepsi,
like having Coke and then like having Mentos afterwards and
nothing really, yeah, nothing have.
You tried pop rocks and soda? No, but I don't like pop rocks.

(38:10):
If you're listening out there, have you tried Pop Rocks and
Soda? Yeah, why don't you try?
It let me know at the padded room@outlook.com.
We will not help you in case of emergency.
You do explode though. That's that's not on me, man.
At first, I kind of believed Damon's portrayal here.
When he kind of goes down, I'm like, wait, I'm.
Poisoned him? I don't know.
Like, Oh my God, they're actually killing, do they?

(38:31):
Come together and make cyanide. Oh man, when he started.
They're both popping up on himself.
They're both highly processed foods.
I couldn't tell you a single ingredient from Pop Rocks or
Pepsi besides sugar, but. Uranium.
Uranium. He's a Dilaman 115 Moscovium.
You know, like Dangovian. No cuz like.

(38:53):
Who's the class clown? Yeah, but who coughs up on
themselves? Like if I'm doing a joke, I'm
not going all the way with that I.
Give him over me. Yeah, I give him credit.
That shit was all over. I saw a lot of crazy shit in
college. I could definitely see somebody
that. Yeah.
I hate that bitch. I hate Pacey.
No one likes Pacey. I liked.
It did you like the little scenewhere he went to start the car

(39:16):
and I don't wanna wait I. Don't wanna wait?
I don't wanna wait. Yeah.
It's like, oh, shot the car. And he played a real creepster.
I mean, even for 90s, who's a? Crazy.
This reminded me of the famous scene, I don't know if you've
seen it from American Pie, whereChris Klein takes the college

(39:36):
girl and they're out parking andhe's like making small talk and
then all of a sudden he leans over and goes.
Suck me beautiful. She's.
Like what the fuck? Like that shit works.
Like that's what I thought was gonna happen here because he was
like, yeah, tell me, tell me about your.
Problems. Yeah, OK.
I'm. A friend.
I'm a friend and he's like, oh, OK, like, well.

(39:58):
There's definitely some 90s chauvinism representing which
nowadays looks real bad, but back then was probably par for
the course. I mean, I still think it's kind
of like he's old pussy because it's like, how do you get choked
out like that, Like. Well, because he was taking a
piss, right? And he got snuck up on a lot of
the kills, if you think about it, too, because it makes sense.

(40:20):
I know there's gonna be people there, like a girl couldn't do
these things or whatever, but a lot of them are.
They're not really paying attention or off guard or off
guard, right? Yeah, yeah.
And plus, I mean, with horror movies, I mean, you put
everything under a microscope, nothing's gonna make.
No, now I'm ready. If I'm gonna go take a piss in
the woods, I'm OK. With just be ready you.

(40:42):
Gotta be you, gotta be Zen master about it man.
Check your back seats. I mean, I think this is the one
horror lesson that we've consistently learned is, is
always check the backseat. You know, bear call, I got to do
that and also I got a pack of chainsaw.
House of Madness rules to survive a horror movie, Yeah. #1
the backseat pack of. Chainsaw.
I like this scene because technically Damon is hanging

(41:05):
right above the car and he's alive.
Yeah, Yep. And he's using the car to stand
up. Yeah, you.
Know they kind of they kind of have a similar scene in another
horror movie that we've seen recently.
What's that? I mean, you, I mean, we're gonna
have to, like, bore this out, but yeah.
Oh. Yeah.
They did the same thing with that.
Well, supposedly. It was an urban legend, so.

(41:26):
Yeah, it's based on urban legend.
Hearing scratching or something on the roof and then driving
and. So she technically kills Damon,
Yeah. Yeah, Natalie does.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's to me, it was like one ofthe more like innovative kills.
Like it's like so brutal and sadistic, basically killing and
then when killing your car. Stopped.
I was like does that just his head on a branch like?

(41:48):
Yeah, that was, again, that was another thing I wish they like.
She was just like. Laying on the.
Gas for like a. Solid 10 minutes.
Like you couldn't like have a head explode or something like,
come on, guys. Yeah, you know, some some sort
of gore. Yeah, that would have been great
for that. There wasn't too much gore here,
but that that could have been a real big payoff because this

(42:11):
scene could have been, I think, like a big time moment.
Like if you had done it as fast as it was done, it would have
been, it would have been a crackin a splash.
Yeah. I mean, I'm fine with it.
I thought it was a really uniquekill.
I think like one of the big things about this movie is the

(42:31):
unique kills. One of my favorite things that
they tie into this movie, and I was awake during this part.
I just got to say that ahead of time.
One of my favorite things, obviously with college is, you
know, you have terrible roommates.
And I like that the main character has a terrible
roommate. And she just stays in the room
while the roommate is banging out.
Yeah, and I'm like, bitch, I'd be out of there.

(42:53):
Like I'm not staying. Here.
But like Logan's saying though, this is this is a good early
scene because. Did a little Chekhov's gun with
that. Like it's not really a Chekhov's
gun. It's kind of like in it's
foreshadowing the Chekhov sex. Well, it's a trope.
It is a trope in horror. Like the the more promiscuous
you are, the more likely you areto die.
Yeah, I like that They did it infirst where I like, well, the

(43:16):
Chekhov's. What's gone is the light, which
she. Turned.
Turn the light off. She says turn the light off and
then when she comes back later on after that she doesn't turn
the light bag on because she's like, I got, she's just going to
give me shit. Yeah, because, I mean, they play
it good with the earlier scene where she's banging somebody in
the bed because it's like, all these sex sounds too right.

(43:38):
So then when her roommate is actually getting killed in the
bed and she's making those like.Like, yeah, you know, she's
just. Well, she's kind of banged
pretty hard, yeah. Just having a good night
tonight, yeah? Let me put my headphones on and
turn away. Turn.
Around. Right turn around, I get the

(44:02):
monetize. I really love the lettering on
the wall in Blood too. Oh, yeah.
Aren't you glad you didn't turn the light on?
Yeah, no, I thought that was cool.
So I still don't know how you call that a suicide.
A very morbid suicide. Note I I definitely.
Suicide. Yeah, clearly she did that
herself because it's one of those things where I, I, I think

(44:23):
I could definitely see some colleges trying to play down
stuff. I mean, this is obviously
cartoonish embellishment of that, but definitely I could see
a college trying to play down something bad happening to.
Yeah. They don't want to know.
There because the number one thing is is.
College. Rates College is supposed to be
the place where you're safe. You have to go and try and grow
into the adult you want to be, you know?

(44:44):
Well, like Dana had said earliertoo, there was that whole urban
legend within the own school about the massacre that.
Yeah, yeah, they want to controlthis fire, like breaking out
because they already have Michelle, now they have Tosh.
So they're like immediately they're like, OK, the goth girl
who was on lithium, you know, she just, she killed herself.
And I I think even they had a passing line from a student

(45:06):
like, oh, well, she was going todo it anyway.
Like, yeah. I mean.
Person jaded person who's like, oh, she finally did it.
We all knew she was, Yeah. I guess they could tie it back
to a suicide because I guess thenote on the.
Yeah, the note. Could have been like tied to a
suicide note I guess. I don't know.
I think the whole reason for them not telling people is

(45:28):
obviously they don't want to start a panic.
They don't want people. Well, they also don't want the
college to be perceived as a dangerous place.
Yeah, because then students don't go.
Well, do you remember the cop was saying that this university
was named into one of the safest?
U.S. news and World Report namedPendleton the safest university
in this country. You best believe I intend to

(45:49):
keep it that. Way they don't want that to be
like old, yeah. I I.
Felt the freak asleep and I'm still remembering.
Shit, it's like in your memory now.
Yeah. And this for me and Logan, this,
this hits like the, like, kind of dead point in the movie.
But I think what I want to talk about here is they're really
trying to set up the red herrings, right?
We have Paul. We have Paul who's played by

(46:11):
Jared Leto, who's like this up and coming like I'm on the
student paper and like I I got to get my store.
I. Fed someone's.
Life. Did you even spend one minute
thinking about that? No, I didn't.
Because of my story, 3500 students will.
I think that's enough to help mesleep at night.
I gotta get my story no matter the cost, right?

(46:33):
You know, the amoral reporter. Just kind of like no matter the
cost, I will get the story. Like Logan is telling me too,
he's got them them serial killereyes too.
You know he's looking at he. Does have that 1000 yard square?
And then you also have the janitor too.
They're setting up here. Yeah, this creepy janitor.

(46:53):
Yeah, everyone's. Another man just trying to do
his job. Yeah, just trying to live his
life. Didn't do anything wrong.
Instantly assumed to be bad. Instantly assumed to be evil.
Or bind it. I love when Natalie gets in the
car with him later on and he's like what the fuck is wrong with
you? You getting out the car at like

(47:14):
this is not a creepy word or thing.
This is a What are you doing? This movie does play with like,
how people look like the gas station at 10.
Yeah, they're like the. Creepy like the theme of this
movie is, don't judge your book by its cover.
Oh, yeah, that's good. And then they also set up Robert
England and Professor Wexler, right?
Yeah, because he was the sole survivor they find of the.

(47:38):
And he got a job for life, beinga college.
Professor, you know what they say.
Ever assume? Because then you make an asset
of you and me. Now, here's the biggest red
herring. The school massacre itself.
Oh, yeah, Because this is what Natalie and Paul assume is the
motive for the killer. And they really try to pin it on

(47:59):
Wexler, right? He was a sole survivor.
He's gone crazy or whatever. Like, he's going to kill
everybody. It makes perfect sense.
Pendleton covered up Stanley. Hall.
And Wexler. So long as he keeps his mouth.
Shut he gets a job for. Life.
They go into his office, they see the axe.
They see you. Know a coat?
Yeah. Which he's got a baller office

(48:21):
for a professor. I've been in many professors
offices and most of them have got a.
Secret room he's. Got a little secret room?
Praying for that, yeah. He's an urban legend teacher.
Of course he's got a baller. Yeah, well, that's the other
thing, you know, a humanities teacher getting that kind of
baller office is. Also a little SUS a.
Little they felt bad being the soul survivors.
Exactly. So they gave him the Deans off.

(48:44):
This Dean, too, is pretty worthless throughout, right?
Yeah, He's just kind of like, like you said, he's trying to
cover up the. He's a Dean, yeah.
Well, and did you guys recognizethe actor at all from And I did,
and I was amazed. He's the same guy who plays
Baron Munchausen and Terry Gilliam's Baron Munchausen.
Have you guys seen that? No, I haven't.

(49:05):
Go down there and see some similar, you know.
That was the most like, I'm glad.
Terry Gilliam's Generation, the director of our generation.
I'm glad though, for you that you've seen that I'm.
Happy to. I've seen it too.
Yeah, with the troglodytes here.Wow, bunch of phony.

(49:25):
What a filthy mouth. Wash that out with some pop
rocks and soda. Bacon.
Some Drano. Some.
This is where it picks up like we had talked about, the Dean
has killed and this is a really cool that's.
Like in the movie, I was starting to really, like, I get
your guy's message about how it was slowing down, but you know,

(49:47):
and it was kind of very much like the garage kill of Scream
2, where it may not technically have been possible, but it was
still a cool kill. When he gets run over over the
spikes and everything spikes because you can't just put a car
in neutral and then accelerate. So that's not how that works,
but. It is how it works.
Movies. Yeah, the grody part about this

(50:08):
is getting your Achilles slashed.
I hate that. Yeah, that was so they they got
that right from sanitarium action.
Yeah. Or a scalpel cuts.
So we get rid of the Dean beforethis though too.
We get the crucial scene right. That really is the setup for the

(50:29):
movie, which is Natalie tells Brenda that she knew Michelle
from high school and they did the horrible thing where they
stopped a poor dude off the road.
Michelle was driving a story about the gang high beam
initiation going around to play a practical joke.

(50:50):
Speaking of that, you know the flashing headlights, That's a
real urban legend that's out there.
But, but what are your guys favorite urban legends?
What do you guys have as your favorite urban legends that you
heard growing up that you reallylike?
It's funny, I had talked to Dan before we started and I was
like, I have this the same thingas a discussion question.
Oh, OK. But I was like, I don't really

(51:11):
know any urban legends. I was like, I hope somebody else
has Bloody Mary. Think that I Bloody Mary that's
I don't think I knew until I looked up some and then I was
like, Oh, I know that one. Oh, I know that one because like
my list of them is there's the flashing headlights and these
are just like ones that resonated with me.
So it's not an exhaustive list, but just ones that kind of I

(51:32):
remember there's the headlights flashing Bloody Mary Hall is
dead, which is my favorite and look this up for nothing else
other than it being an entertaining read.
But it's where the Beetle Hall. McCartney died.
Actually died and and I took a rock'n'roll history class in
high school, but there is actually a lot of like the album
cover of Abby Rhodes kind of explains it because if you look

(51:56):
at who's wearing shoes and Paulsholding a cigarette in the wrong
hand and one of the license plates says what if 28 because
supposedly Palm the real Paul McCartney didn't make it past
28. He died in a car accident and
that all came actually from a college newspaper that reported
on an accident that was supposedly Paul McCartney.

(52:17):
It never pans out because it's alot of weak evidence, but there
is somebody did make the case ina semi convincing way that Paul
McCartney had actually been replaced by somebody else.
There's also a. Very.
Yeah, that's the the latest duration of this is the Avril
Lavigne. Like Tupac, like Tupac actually
survived like that. There's stuff like that.

(52:38):
Yeah, and Avril Lavigne was replaced by somebody else
because you can see her music changed drastically.
It must have had nothing to do with ratings or or changing
style or. Growing up, that none of that
could. Be responsible for him, but they
say at a time she went from, youknow, punk Princess to complete
like pop, you know, and and she was clearly killed and replaced

(52:59):
by an almost exact clone. So that's one of my favorite
urban legends is Apollo's Dead. But I mean, you've got some
other ones like the Mothman. I know it's a little bit
encrypted, but I kind of still file that under urban legends
because a lot of people talk about it UFOs.
One of the more recent ones is Clown Standing in the Woods.

(53:20):
That was kind of an urban legendfor a while, of just a clown
that would hang out ominously inthe woods.
We we touched on it in one of our earlier episodes about the
clown in California that would show up on Instagram and like
Pose and like public places and.Yeah, just like be in the
creepily, be in the background. There's other like crazy things.

(53:41):
Like nowadays they don't call them urban legends though.
They call them like creepypasta.That's like the latest thing
that the latest forms and I, I mean, there's some of them that
I won't mention just because there are harmful ones out there
that some people have done some pretty real life twisted things
around, but. I just remember the one and I

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this might be in the sequel because I was thinking about
this. I think they mentioned it in
this movie where you wake up in a bathtub and.
Your kidneys? Yeah, your kidneys are gone.
What are you going to do? Just my favorite UL.
The kidney heights. That's how she was gonna kill
her the last, the last person she was like, I don't know where

(54:23):
the kidneys are, but I'm just gonna start ripping out organs.
Yeah, I mean, I like this scene where the frat party hits and
it's like, boom, I love a party setting.
I wish they had almost stayed inthe party.
You know, you get the which I love the the phone call, right?
Yeah. To your boy there, Parker.
Michael. Rosenbaum.

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Rosenbaum, He actually calls outthe urban legend.
He's like, oh, is this the one with the phone call?
This is the one about. The old lady who dries her wet
dog in the microwave and. They're like, that's, that's not
this one. This is the one with the dog in
the microwave. What the?
Fuck. Oh man, that was a gruesome

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scene. That was terrible for me, that
was that was the worst one of the movie.
What urban legend did he die under?
He was in the Pop Rocks in SO. Except it was Pop Rocks and
Drano. Oh, I didn't.
I didn't see that there was Pop Rocks on there.
Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine.
Pop Rocks and then Drano then. Drano Yeah, the Drano's gonna do

(55:24):
it. Yeah.
And then we get Sasha, who we haven't mentioned too much.
She's kind of like a side character right in the yeah.
Not really a side character. She's like a really a nobody.
Sasha is what the radio personality, college radio
personnel. Do anything?
Well, she did have one of the bus lines of the movie.
She's on the radio somebody and she just and she's like, oh man,

(55:45):
I'm like really messed up. And she's like, oh, you had
yourself a little frat boy protein shake.
Had yourself a little frat boy protein shake, did you?
What kind of college radio let'sa sex show on it, no?
I feel like every college radio,Yeah.
Campus, yeah. Well, listen, ratings she
couldn't hold a candle to bury Sims, so I don't know I.

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Bet she wears crotchless. Panties and barks like a dog.
Not the shock, Jack that Barry Sims.
Yeah, you. Know Al Roker.
And keep wearing Barry. This is when everybody was
listening to college radio. I mean, you got a hot woman on
college radio. Yeah, you're going to get good
ratings. That's just, you know what,
though? That's kind of messed up because
it's like, oh, yeah, here's thislike hot trot, like woman on

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radio. Dean's like, sounds right to me.
This guy's over here, like writing stuff that actually
happened. And he's like, no, you got to
be, you got to be done with that.
It's like, pick your Wayne brother.
Well. I mean one of those 2 is going
to affect his paycheck, the other one is going to be
completely meaningless to him. No, it's not.
Because if people are like, waita minute, how are they allowing

(56:50):
this girl to be like making thiskind of stuff like that's going
to get at him because then people are going to come.
Well, I guess like what happens at college stays.
Well, remember, you guys remember that old show?
What was it? Because I think Love Love Line.
Yeah, she was doing. With Doctor Drew.
Yeah, with Doctor Drew, she's kind of doing a spoof on that.
Yeah, she was right helping. She was kind of just.

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She's kind of a Dick. Yeah.
She wasn't saying anything terribly get.
Yourself a town hall and yeah. You're right.
She did kind of lay out some weird advice, but she has a
great chase scene here with the killer right through this, I
guess studio and then. And one of the first Bluetooth
mic headsets that yeah, and you can.

(57:32):
Hear her on the radio. Hear her on the radio throughout
the as she was running through the place, so that was exciting.
I would have liked one thing about the chase I would have
liked to see is her running through multiple doors and the
killer we're also running through multiple doors.
Them like to make a scooby-doo chase.
They're out. That would have been awesome.
That would have made the movie. Like that would have woke me up
instantly. I didn't like how her kill was

(57:54):
kind of off screen, yeah. Yeah.
And it was kind of standard it what was the the?
The. Legend behind her kill.
Yeah, she just got. Just fuck her in particular.
Radio. Radio host.
Like you can hear like she was talking like it, Yeah.
Maybe like here? Yeah.
What kind of call is? Coming out.
Yeah, maybe it. Was the killer wasn't playing to

(58:16):
her idiom. The other thing that was a
little bit of a hit against thismovie is I get the urban legend
thing, but the killer was real bland.
Just coat. Coat an axe?
I was gonna ask. An axe?
Yeah. What did you think of the
killer? Yeah.
Just kind of bland with the coat.
North Face jacket and an axe, Yeah.
Yeah, there's no intricacies with the it's kind of just like,

(58:37):
Oh yeah, here's a, here's some shitty coat I found.
I like how they had to hook glasses on the actor because you
know they couldn't properly conceal the face with the hood
so they had like you could. See like.
Periodically, like they were wearing glass.
Glasses. Dang, originally I had heard
this movie was supposed to be set in the winter time.

(58:59):
That's why they chose that. Yeah, that jacket would have
been tough around the fall time,but.
Yeah, there's a weird scene where there's a false killer
wearing the coat in the like, poor.
Yeah, yeah. Why are you wearing that coat?
It's like the fisherman slicker.I'm sure very.

(59:20):
Popular. Coat.
I thought that was a red herringfor her, just so she could like,
mess with her mind a little bit.I think Brenda did that on
purpose. She paid her off and she was
like, hey, wear this coat into the pool house.
And she's like, why? And she's like, well, you know,
I'm into it. It's more for me.

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Well, Speaking of Brenda, what are your thoughts on and we get
to the killer reveal. It was Brenda.
She was killing everybody because her boyfriend, right,
was the guy that they drove off.I mean, it makes sense.
And Brenda seems like the kind of person who would do this kind
of thing, would set up this whole labyrinth, you know, seems
like the. Person I would cut up a
motherfucker. Like, I don't know, I just, I

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feel like my only gripe with it is, you know, it's kind of my
same thing where it's like you can tell who the killer is based
on who isn't here. Brenda wasn't there.
She kind of showed, yeah, but Paul wasn't there for most of
the movies. No, Paul was there for a long.
Well, I I think what was good about this ending is after she's
chased, you get Paul and Brenda both with her at the end and

(01:00:30):
they are driving her in the car right as the audience were like,
oh shit. Well, either one of these.
But then there's also Wexler. And then they find Wexler in the
back, in the trunk. And then you're like, oh shit,
it's got to be either one of these.
So like, I, I thought that was all good.
I like that there's a female killer.
Like, I think that's different. Yeah.
And how they pull it off is really good because you're

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guessing up until the end. And then like Dan said, too, he
was thinking about maybe Paul being the killer, right.
With Brenda, I almost was like, oh, wait a minute.
Maybe he is in on this too. Yeah, yeah.
But no, just crazy Brenda. Just crazy ass Brenda.
So then the thing I was kind of like hit or miss on is them

(01:01:14):
driving away. First off, I'm like, what?
Why are they driving? And the poor policewoman, what's
her name, Reese, is lying bleeding out.
And they're like, oh. We'll catch you later.
They're. Like the medics are on their
way. Yeah, they'll be.
Well, I mean I. Don't you go dying on me now.
I don't know, It's tough becauseI would also be the person

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that's like, Jesus, we just leftthis woman bleeding.
But I'm also like, yeah, but if we did, we'd probably be.
Killed, I don't know, it just fell out of place.
And then obviously Brenda's in the back and you get the false
ending, and then I guess she's thrown into the water and dies
like that kills her. Apparently not.

(01:01:55):
Oh yeah, yeah you're right cuz Iforgot it at the end.
At the end, Brenda's back. I gotta say, there is like a
point where it's like, OK, here's the first act.
Really good stuff. He got to that roommate being
killed and it's like drag and get to the end where they do the
review and it's like, oh, OK. And then it's just never like
gets like they're trying so hardto like get you back in and

(01:02:18):
there's just. They got me.
I thought it was good. I love the ending of Brenda
appearing and she was like no, that's not the way it's told.
OK, listen up. Guys cuz this is how the story
really goes. Yeah.
It reminded me of the burning ending.
Yep. Yeah, like that.
Like when? You remember how the burning
ended? Like it's like a new story.

(01:02:41):
Oh yeah, it was the new campfirestory.
You know that's right. Of what happened, here's my last
thing I want to talk about. What's your thoughts on Natalie
as the final girl? Because I didn't really like
her. No final.
Girl, she wasn't, she was even barely a final girl 'cause she
really, I don't know, I didn't think she was the best final
girl. I thought there should have been

(01:03:02):
more initiative, there should have been more fight to her as a
final girl. Final girls are kind of known
for their toughness and resourcefulness, and she didn't
really have her demonstrate any of that.
She went into the bedroom while her roommate was having sex and
she was just like a normal night.
I'm gonna go play my music. On Tuesday night.
I'm not gonna sleep in there while my roommates getting like

(01:03:23):
real like I'm not gonna do. That she was listening to who's
like who's like, this is the wind, Cap Stevens, like she's do
the wind and the rain. Meanwhile like choirs playing
and then roommates getting Dick down.
Oh, man, talk about clashing styles.

(01:03:45):
Oh man, Dan, what'd you think about Natalie?
So I actually have a take that'sa little bit contrary to your
guys. I think that she is probably one
of the better characters in the entire movie.
There is like this loneliness inthe company of others vibe I get
from Natalie, Like she doesn't fit in like with this friends

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group that's kind of just all over the place in terms of like
no one actually feels like they're really connected as
friends. Like they're all kind of just
tied to this urban legends class.
And like, I think a lot of it isis that she's like still reeling
from the loss of her best friend.
She's got like this flatness, like reserve demeanor that's

(01:04:28):
like uptight or tense that's like presented, it's not her,
but like it's her going through the motions of her day-to-day
life while internally strugglingwith like this loss.
Like, the actress is playing a character who is doing their
best to put on an act that they themselves are fine.
And I appreciate like that emotional complexity in that

(01:04:49):
character. Like, it's real grief and loss.
Real grief and loss isn't a linear process, right?
And I just think that she's justplaying it that way
intentionally to to demonstrate like this flatness.
I agree with you that she's a good character, but a final girl
was where I don't think she was a strong final girl versus like

(01:05:10):
I I think she did. I agree with 100% with your
character analysis. I feel like, and it's weird
because I feel like they give the final girl role almost to
Brenda. Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, they do. I almost think they give it to
Paul in some way. Paul.
Yeah, you're kind of right. I just think if we had seen Paul

(01:05:31):
more, I mean I know we see him alot, but like if he had been
more, I feel. Like I should have seen him a.
Little Paul should have been more involved in things than he
was because he kind of just kindof bops in and bops out of the
movie. I think we saw enough of Jared
Aletto. I'll be 100% honest if we saw
more. Jared Leto.
I think they should have made Jared Leto connected a little
bit more, like he was Brenda, like not Brenda's, maybe

(01:05:54):
Natalie's ex or they had dated acouple of times, just something
like that. A little bit more connected.
I. Think although Brenda was pretty
pissed about Natalie going afterPaul.
Yeah. You don't waste any time, do
you, Natalie? I think, I don't think Natalie
was going. I think Paul's going after
Natalie. Yeah, Paul's going after
Natalie. Paul's just.
Paul, I think, though, what I like about this movie is it's

(01:06:16):
very true about its friendships,where it's like you do have kind
of those friendships where it's like, wait a minute, we're poor,
we're opposites. We don't like the same shit and
we're not the same people, but yet we're still friends.
That's just how it is. That's just how it is in
college. Yeah.
Yeah. But these unlikely friendships
that are kind of like, oh, yeah,you're friends with these
idiots. That's true.
Because again, you're maturing. You don't know who's who's a

(01:06:40):
good person and who's not because again, you're still
pretty dumb. You're making.
Mistakes. Yeah, going through life.
I got to pee. Are we getting a man on the
street? Hey, man on the street.
Logan here. We're here at New College here.
We're hearing about a new killerbear call.
What do you make of this? You know, Logan, as reports are

(01:07:01):
coming in, I find that this killer is almost entirely
made-up. This college is one of the
safest colleges in the United States.
I know that 20 something people have died this week here, but I
think that's all rumors and hearsay and freak accidents.
Allegedly, allegedly. Well.
It might be all about the he said she said bullshit.
But here at this random college where is in Northern Ontario,

(01:07:24):
Canada, out in the middle of nowhere.
Supposed to be in Pennsylvania, but yeah, we're around
somewhere. Collegeville.
Pennsylvania tomato tomorrow. Yeah, same thing.
They're in the same neighborhood.
Time for conspiracy corner. I have a conspiracy.

(01:07:49):
Based on what Dan had talked about earlier, I think it would
have been cool if there was 2 killers.
Yeah, Brenda has her reveal and Paul to me is still with Natalia
or Natalie. Why do I keep calling Natalia?
I don't know. She doesn't.
Matter. Natalie.
And Vladimir, we're going on thecollege campus.

(01:08:09):
Yeah, so I, I think Paul and Natalie still good, you know,
whatever. And then you get the scene where
they're driving away, and then Paul's like, you know what would
make a really good story? If I was the sole survivor.
Yeah, boom. Boom, that would be.
Cool. And that's how.
You end like I, you know, I'm gonna bounce off of your
conspiracy theory and I'm gonna say this.

(01:08:31):
I think there were two killers. How the hell could Brenda choke
out Pacey like that? I'm not gonna call him by his
real name because that's a stupid name.
How the hell could she choke this man out, even if he is out
of nowhere? Yeah, and also string him up in
time to choke him out and put him on that news.

(01:08:51):
There was a lot going on. How?
How did she do all that? How, how did she manage to move
everybody into that one area in there?
Cardio and CrossFit. Yeah, as I'm gonna say, she
might have trained with Leslie Vernon.
That's that's where maybe she went after high.
Maybe she gets in up with Leslie.
And she hooked up with Leslie. Leslie had her training at us.
That's. Why she was able to survive the

(01:09:13):
fall she had been if he had beentrained, you know, like Leslie
put on that fire retardant stuffin the motorcycling world,
there's a certain type of vest you can wear which has a little
canister of gas in it. And what happens is is like if
you get in an accident, it'll like inflate and like so your
back stays straight and you don't break your back and stuff
like that. Maybe she was, She had all that

(01:09:35):
gear on, you know, she. Knew she had a little RIP cord
she pulled on the way out. Yeah, I love it.
I love it. The love for Leslie Vernon.
Yeah, my heart is growing. Any other conspiracy?
This one kind of came through tome and and struck a little bit
of a tone in the movie is there's kind of an assumption of
evil for people who have menial jobs in this movie, assumption

(01:09:58):
of evil of the working man, you know, like.
You know, I like the teacher. No, not to interrupt you, bear
claw, but Dan had made referenceto this in.
I know what you did. Last time, yeah.
Like. What's his name like?
Oh yeah, Like who's he doing? Oh, he's working.
He's working right? Yeah.
And I think that that. He's the killer.

(01:10:20):
He's the he's clearly the killer.
Nobody who does a nine to five he.
Decided to go to to not go to college and become a.
Fisherman, he's the killer. 100%motive.
That's all you. Needed.
That's all you needed was was just not which I think the
attitudes to that are very different.
I think it's a reflection of thetimes because I think back then
it was kind of like college or bust.

(01:10:42):
You know, it was very much the attitude, very much in our day
as. Well, it's a very 90s thing.
Yeah, it's an incredibly 90s thing.
And but like all of the all of the guys who are good guys, but
maybe, you know, aren't the mostphysically attractive or maybe,
you know, Brad Dwarf's characterhad a little bit of a speech

(01:11:03):
impediment or, you know, the janitors guys, they were hearts
of gold heroes trying to save people's lives.
And it was very anti like the entire time the college students
look at them with suspicion and and think that they're the ones
that are the. Janitor too, looking down on
these people like they're suspicious.
Yeah, and and meanwhile, they'rethe forces of good in this

(01:11:26):
movie, like giving the guy the paper with the because like, you
know, that old the janitor was the one that gave him the paper
with the actual articles and trying to help him out.
Pick up that girl trying to saveher life.
And you know she wasn't gonna have it, but.
Any other conspiracies? I have you guys know what what
Brenda's last name is or he's close Bates.

(01:11:49):
Oh, her name. Is Brenda Bates so my conspiracy
corner is she is the long lost daughter.
Daughter. Of Norman Bates.
Master, you are correct, Sir. Golf swing I owe.

(01:12:11):
I know, and that's cool. I didn't.
I didn't realize that. That would be awesome.
Yeah. She has some of that quality
too, of Norman. Bates, but this would presuppose
that Norman Bates had somehow conceived a child.
When mother watched. Any of the the second.
He does have a love interest in later in the movies.

(01:12:33):
OK, we. Have to dive into some of them
coming up. I'm interested.
Hot takes. So, so far we've watched In the
Summer of Madness, I Know What You Did Last Summer, Final
Destination and Urban Legend. Out of the three movies, for me,
this one has the best ending of all of them.

(01:12:54):
Yeah. Yeah.
But I will say I also think it has the weakest final Girl too.
Yeah. I don't know.
Not really a hot take, but for me it's a hot take.
Yeah. Any other hot takes?
I mean, my hot take on this movie is just that technically
it's pretty good movie, but there is kind of a missing.
And I think the Urban Legends was supposed to was supposed to

(01:13:15):
carry this weight maybe a littlebit more than it did in my mind.
But it really doesn't have a lotof it's kind of vanilla ice
cream, which I love vanilla ice cream.
Don't get me wrong, it's technically it's great, but it
doesn't have any of that sizzle.Sizzle like chocolate swirl.
Yeah, exactly. I think the.
Urban Legend, if I'm going to like think about this, I think

(01:13:36):
the urban legend ending was supposed to be for like the end
of the movie where it was like that whole like you tell it
after it happened kind of thing like the college story and it
just passes on. I think that was like the reason
they named it that was so that they could have an ending where
Brenda shows up at the end. I think that's literally all.
That is urban legend. Yeah, it's a good book ending

(01:14:00):
though that. Yeah.
Alright, we're on to our Hall ofSlain.
Our Hall of Slain are charactersthat have died in the movies we
review that would help us get through and survive a horror
movie because we are the final girl.
Are there any characters from Urban Legend you would like to

(01:14:23):
nominate? I would like to nominate the
goth girl. Yes, Tosh, I'm there with you.
To the to the Hall of slain. Let's bring Danielle Harrison.
Yeah, I'd like to, just because,A, I'd like to bring Danielle
Harrison. B, I don't know.
I feel like she was given a raw deal.
I feel like she would have been able to handle herself better.
It would have been cool if she was actually the final girl and

(01:14:45):
the whole script was flipped andmaybe, like, the working people
helped her, like, solve the killer and she was able to get
it. And this, you know, I don't know
that I thought. I agree.
I mean, she sounds like she'd beable to handle a raw deal too,
so I mean like that. Yeah, yeah, it sounded like she.
She's hot. She's got Yeah.
Now here can I say. More trolling for Dick online.

(01:15:09):
I will give you guys Tosh as long as I get Michael
Rosenbaum's character and Sasha and my Sasha.
Yeah, there are packages. I would just, I would just like
to pump the brakes on everything.
And I want, I want to bring up avery, very important character
that we're all overlooking rightnow.
Better not be the ginger booty. OK, and the blowfish, the dog?

(01:15:34):
Our first dog in the. We can have a dog.
I mean I would like to amend my motion to include 2D as well, 2D
and 2D and what was the other ones name 2D and Tosh T&T?
Hootie and tosh. Hootie and Tosh, Hootie, Hootie
and Tosh. All right, all right, so first

(01:15:55):
let's do Hootie and Tosh. Do we have a gavel sound?
Well I get you're only agreeing if you can bring in my 2.
For my, For my. Wait, who is Sasha?
Which one she's? Terry.
Terry Yeah. No, that's baggage.
I, I, I vote. I'm not.
Saying for you guys, I'm saying for me, your wing is.

(01:16:17):
Too big. It's always a party.
It's a party up in your room. How do you think the Frog
brothers, who are clearly virgins, are going to react to
Sasha being around? So, and who's the guy?
Paul, Michael. Rosenbaum.
Yeah, I know him. Do you want?
Him on your team? Yes.
Parker Luther, yes, but that's somebody.
He's played the character and this is Parker.

(01:16:39):
OK, OK, I can't stand that because.
We voted, people. Ways are on your, on your, on
your squad. You want a dog abuse right we.
Voted for Shell Geller dog because she's in Buffy.
The the the owner of the dog. Oh yeah, he was feeding him beer
and piercing his nose. Parker said he's going to Pierce
his nose. Dog.
There's no reason he can't be hit do.
You realize what that would do to a dog?

(01:17:00):
Do you realize? Yeah.
No, I I can't. I mean, they can join.
They can join whatever Rag groupof ragamuffin's an asshole he's
got following him. But.
All right, they're in yours. You can have them.
Yeah, that's what I want. All right, you better keep track
of them, though. We're not.
He is your responsibility. Yeah, they're your liabilities.

(01:17:21):
We're gonna have like this team of tactical ready to go.
Look, you guys have these guys. I get my they're all on yours.
Everybody wins. All right, so gavel sound for
Logan, Sasha and Parker and thencoming into the mouths of
madness Hall of slain, we have Tosh and we have Hootie, not a
blowfish. I.

(01:17:42):
Have gavel sound. I have one late entry and I'm
just I'm just going to throw it out there.
OK, guys can can take it or you can throw it back.
Hear me out now. I ain't throwing nothing back
for free. We all need a woman like Brenda,
an unkillable psychopath who will extract.
She didn't die. She in my opinion, she died
several times, but she can't die.

(01:18:03):
I see she's immortal. She's immortal, so it's kind of
like a loophole, right? But like, you need somebody like
in case you die, you fall victimto the killer in your own horror
movie. She will become a full blown
killer herself and she will makeit her mission to fuck whatever
killed you up. She's like a tactical nuke you
have in your back pocket that might give a killer reservations

(01:18:26):
about trying to take you out. Yeah, she's nuttier than a
squirrel turd. She might turn on us too.
Yeah, I don't trust her. She could turn on us.
But we. Already, and this is we already.
Got a dog and you guys got Daniel.
Yeah, you know what? One person we haven't talked
about, Professor Wexler. Robert England.
Yeah, I think. He's gonna be as useless as a
Dick on the elbow. He's not.

(01:18:49):
Wait a minute, he killed a lot of people as Freddy Krueger.
We can't have a killer. He's not.
He's not Freddy Krueger. All right, so, all right, so
just to confirm, we have Sasha and Parker going into Logan's
wax Luther and. Sex symbol the.
Lion's wing. Logan's group of What's that guy
from Daniel Day Lewis from a bunch of ragtags.

(01:19:10):
Few crusty bitches and a handfulof ragtags.
Crusty bitches and crusty bitches.
And hey, look, brother, I think my people can beat your group of
people. We're.
Supposed to be on the same side.There's no infighting.
There is that. We've got to.
Survive a killer? Never.
Mind each other, war we're going.

(01:19:31):
To Civil war well, I just, I just want you to know like
Logan, just like the Justice League doctor death's got like a
Plan B all set up in case in case you guys go rogue and try
and throw us I got the. Frog.
Brothers name is Brenda. Yeah, no, Brenda.
And then, coming into the mouthsof madness, all the slain is
Tosh and Hootie, our first dog, our first animal.

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Unless he counts Slimer. He he doesn't.
Count. I feel like Hootie and Slimer
Bailey. Technically counts as an animal
because my God, man. I was going to say, what's her
name? Ethel.
She could be part animal. Oh.
Yeah, well, her, her son could be.
Mama, hear me? All right, Well, it's time for
hook, line and stinker. Our hook is our favorite kill in

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the movie, our line is our favorite line or quote in the
movie, and our stinker is something funny, awful or weird
that happens that makes the movie either better or worse.
My hook. I'm going with our girl Tash.
I I love this scene because of the callback earlier in the
movie where she's having sex. Don't turn the light on.
And then when she's killed, it sounds like she's having sex and

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it's a repeat. But she's really getting killed
and I just think it's so eerie that she was killed.
In the same room as. Natalie And then obviously I'm
going to tie in my line as well,which isn't really a line, but
it's the right on the wall of aren't you glad you didn't turn
on the light? That was creepy.
I love that. That was good.
Whole scene, my stinker. Maybe some of us have it.

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Is the dog death in the microwave?
Yeah, nobody likes to see. That.
No, no, not at all. Dan, how about you?
For me, my hook is Parker's death.
It was between him and Damon's death for best kill of the
movie. I ultimately decided on Parker
because it's just it's such a malicious kill.
Like she cooked his dog, captured him, and then forced

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pop rocks and Drano down his throat.
Fuck that guy in particular. It's almost like as if she hated
him more than Natalie. It is a lot, especially killing
a man's dog. That's yeah.
That's. But like, I don't know, I also
think that like It follows like the classic horror trope where
like the most unsavory charactergets like the worst death in all

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of the movie line can't be anything else.
Someones in the backseat Brad Dwarf delivering that wine.
So good. Stinker as well.
Poor Hootie. His owner was Parker.
Treated him like a frat bro feeding him gravity bongs.
Apparently wanted to Pierce his nose.
Under no circumstances should you either feed a dog alcohol or

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Pierce their nose. Or cook them in a microwave or.
Definitely don't cook them in a microwave.
Sandwich did the same thing in grown-ups too.
They they fed that dog alcohol and he seemed fine.
So clearly if the. Sandman did it, yeah.
It's a movie. Tom Hanks Thanks to Turner and
Hooch as well. Oh.
Yeah, yeah, Turner. Yeah, that was a good one.
Now we got Hootie right in with us.

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Yeah, I know. I'm glad Hootie's well.
Treat him better. Self a good home here boss.
Bear Claw. So for my hook, I actually had
the Dean's death just because I found a comical it kind of was
very reminiscent of the garage door death of Rose McGowan
screaming called it. It was like one of those things
where the physics wouldn't work,but I still found it

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entertaining and creative. So I was really kind of behind
it. I thought the Dean's death was a
good one. It also marked the turning point
in the movie when it starts to really get a little bit more
interesting. So that's what I really liked
about it. The line I have is when Brenda
and Natalie were having their final showdown there and Natalie
goes you're fucking crazy. Fucking crazy.

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I prefer the term eccentric, butyeah.
I guess you could say I'm a little, but yeah, I guess I'm a
little nutty. And that sounds like somebody
who would plot all these murdersand do it on the date.
And that that's what I mean whenI say, like, Brenda seems like
the kind of person who would putall this stuff together versus
some random fisherman from the first one who'd probably just

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knife everybody in a bar. Hey, we all go.
We all go mad sometimes. Yeah, And the sinker I have is
just that it's a little bland. You know, when it comes to
horror movies, it's just a little bland.
Some stuff doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I forgive that stuff with it being fun.
But one thing I don't forgive isit just being a little bit like,
Nah, like they could have given the killer some type of

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signature math or something like, I don't know, something
that. I hear you.
Something that set it a little bit apart because I think
technically it was very good with the killer, you know, I
mean the double sided axe, I guess you could say is kind of
the signature, but I don't know.Really.
Even use that much? Yeah, it really only used in
Sasha's death and the initial first death, but but yeah, that

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was those when I sinker. I do have an honorable mention
with the hook and the dog's death cuz I thought that was
kind of a moment. I don't know if you guys ever
seen the movie for a few dollarsmore.
Yeah. Yeah, with Clint Eastwood and
where, you know, it's the villains opening and he kills
the guy's family and they're gonna, they're about to do a

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shoot off and he goes, now you hate me just enough.
And it's like, I feel like the dog's death is like that moment
in the movie where it's like nowyou hate the killer just enough.
Like so I thought the dog's death was actually a good hook
cuz it they really made you not like the killer.
Logan, my hook is Damon's death.I hated Damon.

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I thought he deserved everythingthat got to him.
I don't like a guy who like liesabout his girlfriend dying.
That was really apartment up, just to get her to sleep with
her. Suck me beautiful, Suck me
beautiful. Like there's other ways to get a
girl like you, and one of the ways is not by lying to her
right to your face and then instantly going Hey, you know

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you like me. I know that like Oh God, he
deserved that wine is I said it earlier yourself, a little frat
boy protein shake. Did ya gotta love it.
That's why Sasha's in my halls language.
She's she's a sex symbol. Yeah, I you know, my wife.
Yeah. And this time for American Pie,
Tara Reid could do no wrong. I'm.

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Coming. Oh yeah.
Why don't you just blow on it a little bit?
And then my stinker. I did have the dog as an arable
mansion, but this took the cake.The singing.
My gosh, I almost. Turned them around.

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My God, she was starting to irritate me because it went on
for an hour and it was only seconds.
That's how much I hated. I was ready to turn the movie
off. But you know what I was like,
no, I want to see how this goes because I want to see her who
leave the God him screen. Like Jesus Christ, dude, shut

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up. Like just let it go.
Don't sing. Any honorable mentions?
Oh. I jumped the gun on my.
Yeah, I don't know. No, I know you had one.
My honorable mention is the one and mentioned with someone's in
the back seat, but I think what was really cool is I heard that
Brad Dwarf took this part from his role in One Flew Over the

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Cuckoo's Nest with the stuttering.
Yeah. And he put it into his character
here on purpose, so yeah. Maybe the guy from one flew over
the cooking nest. He got a little bit better, went
and bought himself a gas station, then tried to save a
young girl and was rewarded witha swift kick to the nuts and.

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Possibly brought back to said institution, Yeah.
Oh man, it's time for our final rating.
They're. Gonna rain the movie.
Where will they rain the movie? The killer is great.
The victim. What?

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Was that? Our final rating system is
Killer. It's our highest rating.
It's awesome. We would highly recommend and it
is a must watch. Survivor is our middle tier.
It's a good movie we would probably recommend and has some
rewatch ability. And finally, The Dreaded Victim.

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It's our lowest rating. It's a bad movie we do not
recommend and no rewatch ability.
I'm giving Urban Legend a killer.
I've been kind of a killer slut the last couple movies.
Wow, you dirty girl. Jesus Christ warn.
Talk to me, Daddy. You know what?
I find these movies really good and This is why, because they

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all have things that are not great within them.
They have faults, but I think what's great about them is their
fault. And this is a really fun movie.
I always thought Urban Legend was like the little brother of I
Know What You Did Last Summer and Scream.
It was always #3 for me, and I probably still consider it 3,

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but that's OK. Like I think what this one does
really well is like Bear Claw had touched on.
I think the mystery and killer reveal are really perfect
because, yeah, for me, the middle part of this movie is
slow and but if they didn't havethe amazing killer reveal, for
me, this would have probably been a survivor because I think,

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you know, it's not a bad movie necessarily, but the killer
reveal at the end, just like putit over the top.
I love how they brought it around with the bookend of now.
This is the urban legend and they're telling it.
I thought that was perfect. A female killer is badass.
Brenda Brenda's badass. I love Rebecca Gayhart, just

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something about her is unsettledand awesome.
She does have kind of a crazy girl vibe, I'll give you that.
Like even earlier in the movie when I had no idea, I still was
kind of like, I don't know aboutthis Brenda character.
Those crazy girls, they get in there.
But yeah, I I think this is one of those underrated movies.
Stan hadn't touched on her earlier.
I don't think it's talked about enough, and I think it should be

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talked about more in the horror community.
As far as slashers go, it's really good with the story.
I do agree with Bear Claw the the killer itself isn't amazing
amazing with like a mask or aesthetic but that just shows
you how good. I think the story and mystery
played off because it does overcome some of the the faults.

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Just a quick question because I think it's kind of an
interesting question. Do you think if you went to a
con with the overcoat on and a fake double sided axe or
something, do you think you'd get recognized as this killer?
I think so, yeah. Yeah, because you think so.
People like cons or? Yeah.
I think yeah. For cons, yes, but like anywhere
else. Or maybe like a con that's not

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horror specific. Yeah, probably not you.
Probably wouldn't get like Jason.
Everybody's going to know that except for me.
I've never seen Jason, but yeah,some people will know who that
is. Sometime soon, Bear claw.
But yeah, that's what I think. How about you, Dan?
I can't leave you hanging. I am also going to give Urban
Legend. I was thinking about giving it a

(01:30:58):
survivor, but after our discussion, I think you guys are
right. There's a lot of good, there's a
lot of bad, but I think the goodoutweighs the bad.
And I'm going to change mine from a high end survivor to
killer. I mean, the one thing that I
really have a hard time with is again, just the killer being
like almost like unkillable, like the fake outs at the end

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are the thing that really bothered me the most about the
movie. And, and I think that kind of
for me, it takes a little bit, it makes it a little cartoonish
at the end and it kind of loses points on like the rewatch
ability factor. Overall though, like I love the
kills. I like that it's a love letter,
much like Scream is in how it executes all the horror movie

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tropes. I love the fact that like all
the douchey characters with the exception of Paul really get
good comeuppance kills, especially like Parker and
Damon. Like that epic chase scene
that's very reminiscent of Halloween 2's chase scene
through the hospital. Classic late 90s early 2000s
whore with all those jump scareslike the over the top kills

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useless adults and cops, evil villain exposition dumps, the
car won't start. Who done it?
A master hooded psycho and red herrings galore.
It takes a lot of fun and suspense elements from previous
generations and weaves them intothis movie.
I recommend giving it a watch, Ithink it's an underrated classic

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of the 90s decade. I think for gain it was the
good, the bad in the paw, yeah. Bear Claw, how about you?
Where are you landing on this one?
I came into this kind of thinking of it as a killer, but
as we've discussed it, I think I'm leaning more towards high
end survivor and I'll tell you why.
I think I'm going to give it a high end survivor.

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And the reason I'm going to do that is because while it is
competent, I don't think that competent is enough to get it
into the killer. I think there's got to be some
of that special, that special sauce, that little.
Secret. Sauce, a little fresh fennel in
the mix. You know, there's got to be
something that really leaves a lasting impression.

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And while I think this is a goodmovie, I think it is a competent
movie. I think it's one I would
recommend to somebody if they'rereally into this era of horror
and they want to see a a flavor of this cuz I think this tastes
a lot of stuff from Scream. I think it takes a lot of stuff,
but I didn't find it particularly innovative.
I didn't find anything that was that I think really puts it in

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that rarefied killer air. So I'm going to go ahead and
give it a high end survivor. I think it is worth watching.
I think it is a fun time. I think they capture a lot of
good things. I think it's a it's a good
run-of-the-mill pre 2000s horrormovie, but I don't think it has
enough special. Even though it's got a lot of
great actors in it, I don't think there's enough that's

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special about it to really put it into that killer category so
high on Survivor for me. Awesome, Logan, how about you?
Based on the fact that I fell asleep four times while watching
this, I can't give it anything higher than a victim.
I think like that's just fair for it, you know, I would give
it an NR because of the fact I fell asleep.
But then at the same time, it's like you fell asleep because you

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didn't like the movie. Like I'm just going to be 100%
honest. I didn't like the movie.
I don't I don't think it was forme.
I think there were certain aspects of the movie I loved.
Like I do like the unique hills.I like the unique atmosphere.
And I just think there there's alot of characters that are like
interesting, but the same time the bad pacing, the ending and

(01:34:44):
just overall like it. There was just no like actual
enthusiasm for me to watch through that just could.
It couldn't go any further than a victim.
So I got to give it to that. It just didn't work for me,
brother. All right.
Well, Nathan, our producer gave his rating and he said I'm.
Very curious, Steven, me, if notto say about.
That when Nathan joins me. Urban Legend has a fun premise,

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but unfortunately that doesn't elevate it above the other post
Scream slashers and frankly I got pretty bored halfway through
Lower end Survivor. He caught the lol too.
Yeah, I think that's a common thread even through all of us,
really. We also asked you, our audience,
what your thoughts were on urbanlegend.

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So let's check our Instagram. And that's at miles dot of dot
madness from Natalie under scoreMay under score it's not
perfect, but it's a real fun watch.
Killer Oh from James Shannon Morant 8 out of 10 Like
screaming Friday the 13th is a whodunnit and we get a female

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killer. Only difference between this and
Friday the 13th is, is that we, we know Brenda.
We, we've seen Brenda before. Brenda just doesn't come out of
the ether as I'm the killer guys.
Did you like this one better than Friday the 13th?
Percent better than Friday the 13th.
I think I gave Friday the 13th avictim.
A survivor. Oh, he did Really.
I think I think out of. I probably gave it a survivor

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out of the just starting the Friday the 13th, yeah.
That was the only one we've all given a survivor.
It's weird. We.
Gave it a pass. We only have one movie we've all
rated Survivor, and that was it.Well, you know, it's one of
those things that's so historically important because I
guess it introduces a killer named Jason, but.
No it doesn't. I don't remember the last time I

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rated a movie of Survivor. It's been a while look from 321
Ghost pod where big fans killer From Aaron Riley 96 IG.
Very creative and underrated from under score.
Horrid horror under score Underrated gem of a slasher.
I will say this, I agree with the underrated.

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I think 38% is harsh. Yeah, I think.
So too, yeah. I would have expected to this to
be more in the. 5060. 60%, yeah.The audience score is, yeah,
super. Low.
From my little slice of hell. It's another wannabe scream
teeny bopper shit. Wow.
Well, not a fan. Not a fan of slasher movie.

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From Did you get that on film? It's one of the better post
Scream horror films in the 90s. Definitely worthy of the praise
it has received as time has passed from Dissect That film
pod. A slasher that that plays better
than I Know What You Did Last Summer, with better
performances, a better plot and fun kills based around urban
legends. Hell yeah.

(01:37:38):
I will say, yeah, this is betterthan I know what you did last
time. 100%. The twist was great, even if it
didn't make that much sense. From Melanie under score Saint
George Yes I love this movie so much.
And that's a yeah. Yes, yeah, from modern
Monstrous. This is such a 90s movie, and

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that's only part of what makes it great, other than some of the
stupid jokes like frat boy protein shakes.
OK, puke emoji. Urban Legend takes a single
premise and expands on it in ways that work like magic.
Good red herrings. A female villain who lives, fun,

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kills and played to fears that everyone has but doesn't
acknowledge. I mean I really did think Mikey
from Life Serial was dead for the longest time.
Laugh out loud killer full show.Is there any urban legends that
you guys believed at anytime? Like the one that comes to my
mind that I feel the silliest for believing is I at one time

(01:38:42):
thought that the kid from WonderYears was Marilyn Manson.
Oh. Yeah, yeah, Paul from Wonder
Years. Yeah, Jill from a Straitjacket
talk, Me and her like first started talking over this very
subject that Paul from the Wonder Years was Marilyn Manson.
We had all heard that. That was an urban legend.

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Oh my goodness. And.
If you've heard that too, let usknow.
And know that it's not true. That we know.
That we know. Oh.
Man. From Harley Quinn 1913.
I remember watching this as a kid and being scared a lot.
I thought the plot line was good, the kills were great, the
ending of course. What A twist and still a great

(01:39:26):
90s slasher from KL45678. I think this is definitely
underrated. It is a really fun and clever
premise. I wonder if it is overlooked
because so many other horror movies came out in 98 Halloween,
H2O, The Faculty, I still know what you did last summer.
Just to name of you, I really like Alicia Witt from James

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Shannon Moran again late 90s andsome good horror movies.
Yes for sure and he said also Scream gave horror movies a
spark again from Nick. Horror fan 88 saw this movie in
theaters at the height of the 90s horror revival.
My favorite 90s slasher. Great cast, awesome soundtrack
and superb killer reveal with a great before credits scene.

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You know what? We didn't even talk about the
soundtrack. There was some bangers in this
too. Stabbing westward was in there.
You know we have the great turn around all.
Low through, not again, good flavor.
From BJ Mumbo and they just put two woe faces.

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And finally from Out of the Darkness productions.
I saw this in the theater upon its initial release.
I love the premise of a killer using urban legends as a way to
dispatch of the victims. I like the cast and think it's
pretty well directed. I know there's gaps in logic and
some silly stuff, but I'd give it a killer.
Wow, thank you all so much for your comments.

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We really love to hear what you all think about the movies we
review before we end the episode.
We want to embrace the madness and let you all know what we've
been up to for straight jacket talk this week.
I just watched the original Toxic Avenger for the.
First time. That is a interesting film out

(01:41:16):
of out of its time. That is a B riffic movie if I've
ever. Yeah, I mean, it's a Troma
movie. Yeah, I loved it.
It's so iconically trash toward trash.
I love it. If you haven't seen it, if you
like 80s like B movie stuff, I really recommend seeing it.

(01:41:37):
You can also check out our review on Straitjacket Talk and
I'll give you more of what I think of it.
Last night I went to see the newNaked Gun movie.
I gotta go. I gotta catch that.
That looks so funny with Liam Nelson, yeah.
Yeah. We're finally allowed to laugh
again. Yeah, it's a it's a comedy from
the past. I know it.
Brings back some classic things from the original.

(01:42:00):
It has a lot of the gags from like, Austin Powers and things
like that. Yeah, baby, it was really good.
It's a it's a comedy throwback. So if you're like us and you
remember when comedy was real comedy, this is it.
That's it for me. How about you, Dan?
Couple things that I've been catching up on.
Twisted Metal Season 2 dropped last.
Week. Oh fantastic.
Oh yeah. I'm with you on this one.

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Huge fan of the video games growing up as a kid my brother
and I would sink hours into Twisted Metal 2 on the
PlayStation. The nostalgia hits hard for me.
Seeing characters like Sweet Tooth, Mr. Grimm, and Axel come
to life on this show. It's so much fun and they pack
so much action into just 30 minute episodes.
It's such a breeze to to watch and it's so much fun.

(01:42:43):
And if you love the game games like you're gonna love the show,
it's fan service 100%. The other thing that I caught
was another one of my favorite horror movies was a is the
follow up 28 years later. Oh, I haven't caught this one
yet. Caught up to yet?
It got a lot of polarizing reviews.
I personally I really love the direction the the movie went.

(01:43:05):
It subverted from 28 weeks and 28 days is like strong roots in
survival horror and went more onthis like anthro exposition in
into what normalcy looks like for humanity like postmodernity
post like this catastrophic event.
It mostly like lays the groundwork for the coming
sequels that will further explore like this tribalistic

(01:43:28):
nature that's evolved over the last 28 years on the island of
England. It's like shut off still like
shut off for like the last 28 years.
And like I will say, like this movie, it really pulls at your
heartstrings. And like the young boy who is
like the main character of the movie is incredible.

(01:43:50):
Hands down one of the best childactor performances I've seen in
some time. I highly recommend checking out
28 Years Later. Did you see anything big on the
screen? Very cool.
How about you? One of the revelations that I
had this week was the new movie Weapons is out.
I haven't seen yet, but I want to see that.

(01:44:11):
I want to see it in the worst way.
So I'll definitely be trying to hit the theaters and watch that.
But I realized that that was directed by the same person who
did Barbarians, which is Zach Kreger, who I've been a huge fan
of being part of the Whitest Kids, you know, comedy troupe.
I don't know if you guys have seen The Whitest Kids, you know,

(01:44:32):
but I mean, it's the funniest thing.
And some of the sketches that he's in are just the funniest.
There's one where he's like has a gallon of PTP and is walking
around. I mean, that's one of the
classic sketches that he's in, but really tries to see him take
the turn into horror with Barbarian and weapons and like
high end horror too. So I thought that was kind of

(01:44:53):
cool. But I've also what I've really
been doing is spending a lot of time on YouTube.
Probably. In videos, payment videos, yeah,
watching a lot of payment is a bird videos, which we all know
is the truth. But actually watching a lot of
indie horror movies that are on very cool that are on YouTube
and all are are like, you know, between 10 and 20 minutes long.

(01:45:15):
My algorithm hit it just right where all of a sudden I got this
deluge of these movies. Is there any in particular that
you would recommend? Yeah, there's a few that I have
here, the one that I think wouldcarry my highest recommendation.
There's two of them. There's one that recently came
out from Dan Jay Films, which isBetter The Devil You Know.

(01:45:36):
They do it, a psychological horror short film, But
especially for those of us who grew up in the 90s with 90s TV
shows, this one is a must watch.Better the better the Devil You
Know. And then my second
recommendation would be from Seamless Pictures, which is
Robbie ain't right no more. That's kind of an interesting
one that that that looks at likePTSD, but it takes some pretty

(01:45:58):
watch wild turns that I would I would highly recommend.
And then the other two, which are a little bit more cosmic
horror. Maybe if you, you yourself like
me, find yourself a fan of cosmic horror, there's the God
man and portrait of God. Both are are really good.
The God Man is an animated movieand portrait of God is I think

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CGI, but both also worth checking out.
And again, these are not going to take a ton of your time.
These are all under 20 minutes long.
So I mean, it's really just somefun horror to to watch.
If you have not seen it yet, I highly highly highly recommend
this. This sparked this thought in my
head. The movie milk and cereal It is

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so good. It's one of my favorite found.
I'm not a found footage fan at all in horror but milk and
cereal? Just came out Captain Crunch
being like a cereal. No, it's like milk and cereal,
like spelled like serial killer.Yeah, it's a shorter movie.
It's a found footage movie. It's like probably my favorite
found footage movie that I've ever seen.

(01:47:02):
Really. Yep.
All right. I just put, I just put that on
my favorite. Yeah, but definitely check that
out if you haven't seen it. It's really good watch.
I love these Bear claw. I'm gonna actually check these
out. And there's a ton of I'm out
there too. Those are only the ones that I
had the chance to. There's one I want to watch
called the Chair, which looks pretty interesting.
And oh, another good one is Other Side of the box, if you

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get a chance, cuz that's, that'sa real crazy horror movie,
horror short film. And again, runtime is like 15
minutes. So other side of the Box is
pretty good one too. Box, you say?
Logan, how about? You, me, a box man.
Well, one of the big things we did go see Fantastic Four,
finally saw it a second time andbranching to watch it a second

(01:47:45):
time even better. I love the movie.
It's in my top ten of Marvel movies, I think.
Like it's just so good. And obviously I rewatched all
the Marvel movies to get a better sense of them.
And yeah, it's still, it still holds up.
It's such a good movie. I recommend that for everybody.
I did start playing Indiana Jones, the new Indiana Jones.

(01:48:06):
Oh yeah, that's great, isn't it?Oh.
My God, how? Far are you in it?
Not far at all. Like I'm very, I'm very much
like a person where it's like like if I'm in a world, I'm just
going to go like so. You're still in the Vatican
then? Pretty much, yeah.
Yeah. You're going to be there for a
while then. Yeah, well, here's the problem.
You get to a certain point and you're like, OK, how can I start
making trouble? How can I get these fascists to

(01:48:28):
pay me mine? Let me just start stealing shit.
Oh yeah, It's just the best. I love stealing.
I love stealing. Let me give you a piece of
advice for that game. Spend the time in the boxing
ring. That teaches you more about that
game than anything. You know, spending time in the
boxing game, it forces you to upgrade where nothing else
forces you to upgrade like that.So definitely spend some time in

(01:48:52):
the boxing ring in in any of thelevels.
Yeah, one of the big things I did watch recently was Porco
Roso. I'd rather be a pig than a
fascist. I recommend that to everybody.
It is a fun movie, really good. It's a good Ghibli movie.
It's on HBO Max. It is really fun.
I love the main characters. It's horror movie or.

(01:49:13):
No, it's J Boy, have you ever seen?
Oh, anime, OK. Yeah, yeah, in a sense I think
like those kind of movies I I look for a lot cuz I'm just
like, oh man, there's so many good ones.
One of the ones I did recently look at was one that Sophie
Thatcher was talking about and Iwas interested in watching.
It is The Last Unicorn. I haven't heard much about it,

(01:49:34):
but then I was like, oh as well,look at this.
And she also likes Pork Caroso, so I'll definitely be checking
that out soon. Well, if you haven't already,
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(01:50:18):
let him know what is your favorite urban legend story?
Yeah, tell me all about, you know, your favorite urban
legend. Tell me all about your favorite
SCP. For those of you who know, you
know. Tell me all about what?
I don't know. You guys want to know?
Oh yeah, no, there's a crazy rabbit hole you can go down with

(01:50:40):
these. These Maleficent, Yeah.
Like payment. SEPS Yeah, well, it says
security classification thing, and if you've ever played the
game Control, you'll have a pretty good idea of what I'm
talking about, which is also an A+ video game.
But yeah, e-mail me about it. E-mail me about any of those
subjects and let me know. Awesome.

(01:51:01):
Well, that does it for a review on Urban Legend.
We'll be back soon with another episode, and we're going to be
reviewing the faculty as we finish off the Summer of Madness
2025. We hope you'll join us, but
until then, back to the padded room with you.
Okay guys, we're back on the road here.

(01:51:21):
All right, well. What's that bumping sound?
What you hit? Somebody.
Guys, look, did you hear that? Oh.
God, we gotta go out and. Investigate again, Jesus Christ,
we're. Killing so much time.
We're we're. Check this delay.
Did we hit somebody again? Oh my God.
You guys are gonna, you guys arereally gonna make me get out of
the car right now. Alright, yeah, I guess.
You know what? Bear call.
Yeah. Why don't you go investigate?

(01:51:42):
It's your car alright? Yeah, drive.
I think it's coming from the trunk.
OK, alright, I'm going. I I don't know man, maybe it's a
raccoon. What are you doing back here?
Nathan then come on, I've. Been back here so long Oh my God
we forgot Nathan in the trunk. Happens to the best of us.

(01:52:02):
I'm going to. Kill all of you.
That's how the story goes.

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