45. Five Nights at Freddy's

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Here I am, security guard, here,Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria.
My old job at the good old paranormal investigating
situation didn't go as planned. Just one too many people dressed
up like Michael Myers and I start to beat them up.
I have anger issues with the stuff, especially Halloween 5.
I hate that movie so much. But now I'm here watching

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monitors, trying to get through the day.
I'm getting a little tired man. Little elbow in.
Just gonna. Come on.
Come on. Yeah.
You're not doing it Good about. Do you need the battering ram?
I got to move out the way. Who?
Out the way? Ready 11.
What? What?
What? What?
The the the front door is unlocked.

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Ohh, alright, alright. Yeah, we don't.
We don't need to, do we? Do the battering remedy.
I don't think so. But we'll, we'll save it for
inside, OK? There's plenty of video game
machines we could smash later. It'll be great.
Put that down. It's it's the security guards
first day. So we got this.
This will be Oh, OK, this will be.
Pretty. Just shove them in a locker,
right? Yeah, alright.
What are you guys doing here? Wait a minute.

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Oh, you didn't do him, William. Hey.
You guys knew I was working hereand you decided to break in?
Well, you know, the paranormal thing didn't.
Really work out it. Didn't really work out and.
We're a little tight for care. We need to get some we need.
To decide to go after. Me.
Not. Well.
Not you, just the memorabilia inthis place.

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I mean, look around. You we heard, you know, we heard
they had a new security guard and that this would be kind of
an easy break in. So a little B&E on the side.
So close to retirement. I'm young, why go after the
young guy? We did a strong third act, yeah.
God, I'm getting tired of the year, guys.
Bear call, put those in the back.
Well, yeah, I mean we, I know this isn't real money, but we
need revenue, we need, we need any type of cash flow copper.

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Here, copper. You know copper.
Yeah, we'll get all that. You gotta get the wipes out of
these walls too. Gonna get.
Fired again. So you are.

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You don't know what death is. Be very free.
Welcome to the madness. We are the Mouths of Madness,
your new favorite podcast for horror movie reviews.
We're coming to you live tonightfrom Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria.

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This is our episode 45 on the 2023 Five Nights at Freddy's.
My name is Kevin and I got a little hungry breaking in here,
so I'm going to try some. That's Freddy's Fazbear's Pizza.
Here let me open this. Up.
I don't know about that. Man, that's bad.
What year did this place close down?
I don't know. Could probably go in the freezer

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and they might be like a fresh 1you can throw in.
Let me just let this looks actually not bad.
Let. I mean the preservatives they
have in the 80s are pretty good I guess.
Not a good choice, sorry. Let me introduce you to the
other members of Madness Dan. Kevin, I I know we're supposed
to be here to be making money, but I've just spent my last $20

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on coins. I've been playing this goddamn
Simpsons arcade game. I never beat it as a kid.
I'm just, I'm here. I'm trying to beat it.
It's it's Coin Eater, this motherfucker.
Oh my goodness. I'm about to break this thing,
Kevin. It's terrible spending our
money. I can't help it.
I can't help. But I must.
Beat this game. Oh my goodness.

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All right, don't worry, Dan, I'mgoing to try and get some more
coins out of this machine. Hurry, I'm about to die.
Tokens. Lovely tokens here they.
Are all right. All right, hang on.
Let's fill them up here. Oh, my goodness.
And finally, we have the youngest member of Madness, the
security guard here, Logan. So tired you guys shit between

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you eating rancid pizza making me go through multiple health
code violations and. Trying to feed a video.
Broke the game it's. Broken.
Oh my God, now it's going to go on my paycheck and bear call
making a video game machine. Basically orgasm of coins.
I am getting tired of this stuff.
Logan, there's a ball pit over here.

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Come on, join us. I don't want to join.
Come on. I don't want.
Come on. Judy.
Marley slide up there. Yeah, come on.
Damn. You got Give us a cannonball.
Come on, Cannonball. Oh man, what's this other room
over here? Hey.
Where's Bear Claw at? Oh, hey, guys, come on in.
In this room over here, it's a animatronic room where they it's

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the one where they they play thethe band plays and I'm breaking
it down. Look at me go, I got this moves.
Look at this. Oh, wait.
Awkward. Dance.
What? Man?
Look at it. Moonwalk.
Moonwalk. Bear claw.
There's no animatronics. Wait, what?
Oh. Oh oh.
God birthday. Logan, you had one job.

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What is it ruining while we robbed this place blind?
Oh. God, I'm getting so.
Fired. There are a lot of other great
horror movie podcasts out there,but what separates us from the
other ones is that we're going to be giving you the older
versus younger generation perspective.
Myself, Dan and Berklaw were allborn in the 1980s, while my son

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Logan was born in the 2000s. So this is the class of the
generations. Without any further ado, grab
your favorite animatronic, pull up a chair, hold on to your
childhood tight, and let's dive into the madness.
We watched Five Nights at Freddy's from 2023.
It's based on the popular video game series.

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The development of the movie actually started in 2015
Underwater Brothers Studios, butafter many production delays,
the film was transferred to Blumhouse Production and finally
released eight years later. Whoa.
Dude, I remember, oh, I guess we'll get into it, but I
remember a fateful night in 2015when I found out that it was

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going to be a movie. Wow.
Well listen to this. It was directed by Emma Tammy.
She was born in Middletown, CT. Representing.
Represent. Whoa.
Yeah, and she did not like Five Nights at Freddy's.
The screenplay was written by Scott Cawthorne.
He was the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's, also Seth

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Cuddleback and Emma Tammy. Casting wise, we have Josh
Hutcherson. That's a tough one to say as
Mike Schmidt. Do you know what he's best known
for from the 100 games? Right.
I'm doing the Family Guy, PETA, but PETA.

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Yeah, from Hunger Games, right? Yeah, He was also in the journey
to the center of the. He was known for hunger.
Bridge of Terabithia isn't. That depressing kids book, Yeah,
they made a movie out of that. He like, played in a lot of
like. He was in RV.
Teen. Dystopia movies.

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Yeah, he was the kid in RV. He loved that movie.
Yeah, Robin Williams. He's he was basically the kid
actor that everyone got casted like in every movie.
And you know, he was a teen heart throb.
And then he became what is canonically known as a daddy.
Oh. Well.
The more you know, the more you.Know It also stars Elizabeth Leo

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as Vanessa. Do you know what she's best
known for? Vanessa.
Hello. You.
Yes, she was in the popular series on Netflix.
You. Oh, is that the one about the
stalker? Yeah.
OK. Yeah, Yep.
You mean the stalker that everyone loved?
It was canonically on Gossip Girl.
Right. Yeah, Deep, deep.

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Gossip. Gossip Girl.
Or you know. Hey, the more.
You know, Logan's giving us the information.
You can tell very much that we're in Logan's territory on
this movie and very much out of our element.
Well, back in our element. Lastly, I have Matthew as
William Afton. What's he best known for?
Ohh, I mean. Ohh, obviously.

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Scream. Logan's gonna my Scooby Scoob
cereal mom. He was also known as Stove. 13
ghosts. 13 yeah. 13 Ghosts. He was great in 13 Ghosts.
Wow, we should cover that movie.Oh yeah, that's gotta happen.
Five Nights at Freddy's had a budget of $20 million.
As we were talking about a little bit earlier, we.

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All got spoiled. Pre production, the official
gross of the movie is $297.1 million.
Wow, on a $20 million budget. Wow, we know what's coming.
They've already ordered a sequel, and they're going to get
more. Currently on Rotten Tomatoes,
Five Nights at Freddy's has a 33% critic score but an 86%

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audience score. Wow, fan favorite, huh?
Yeah. Look at that.
Hey, what did Roger Ebert say about this one?
Yeah, So Roger Ebert didn't havea review on this one can.
I can I turn my? Best at Roger Ebert.
He was so moved. He's moved.
He's. Going.
To rate this one. I know Roger Ebert would give

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this a two out of four. This movie in equipment they
destroy God. Oh my goodness, Jumble.
Well, this was Logan's pick for an episode.
So, Logan, why did you choose Five Nights at Freddy's for us
to review? Oh, it's definitely for Roger
Ebert, my favorite person ever to hear about.
No, I mean, funny story about Five Nights at Freddy's back in

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the day, back when I was just a young lad, I was perfect.
Nothing wrong with me. And then somebody got into my
head and made me actually go in depth in a film theory episode
about Five Nights at Freddy's. Just a theory Lord.
And behold, I was introduced to my very first rabbit hole,
because that instantly let me watch 40 Hours Long of War into

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Five Nights at Freddy's that I couldn't escape from.
No. Matter how you played the game.
Before that and then right afterthat, I was like, it's time to
play all the games. Oh wow so you don't know like
the lore stuff before? I got into the war before
because everyone so obsessed with it and then quickly on I
was like OK this shit is cringe and I will never touch it with a

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5 foot pole ever again. And then I learned that there
was a movie coming out and I waslike God damn it, you got me.
So I went back into the film theory and got myself into
another rabbit hole of war. So basically my entire history
of Five Nights at Freddy's is connected to the war and nothing
with the games. Oh, that's pretty cool.
That's pretty cool. I mean the games are fun and

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all, it's just this had to be atleast a decade ago, which is
scary to think, but this had to be like 2006 and I played Five
Nights at Freddy's for the firsttime and two minutes and I gave
up because I got jump scared by Foxy and that bitch kept me up.
For hours at night. Because that I will say that
jump scare is the scariest one of them all because that shit

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still haunts me to this day. I hate jump scares and that's
the reason why I think like FiveNights at Freddy's for me was
always like so interesting. It's kind of like how I see
Terrifier in a way, where I'm like God, like I think it's like
that community, like I see it and I'm like, oh, I really want
to get into it. I really want.
To I get what you're saying, yeah.
But it's not like, I don't know,it's not my kind of thing, but I

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think it's so similar to Terrifier that I'm like, I want
to get more into it. So by watching this, I felt like
I was getting more connected to that world.
I got you. Yeah.
So like the the kind of fan basein the world that.
Yeah, I'm interested. I'm like, there's certain
elements like Art the Clown and then like Freddy Fazbear and all
the animatronics. But like, yeah, as far as like
everything else goes. I I got you for sure, and it's

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not just a theory. A.
Film theory, a game theory, A game theory it's.
Just a theory about both. Yeah, yeah.
Technically, it's a game. Fan of Matt Pat big fan of his
videos. He did.
He did some. Pretty good.
He did some pretty good cool stuff.
Well, let's give you our overallthoughts on Five Nights at
Freddy's now. This is on the movie what we're
going to give you. Yeah, to be.
We played the game, but it didn't go well.

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I played the game too, a little bit.
So, all right, a little bit of background.
OK, we'll give you some on the game too, but I just want to be.
But they're not. Mutually exclusive things, they
kind of go hand in hand. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Dan, start us off. So I also never played these
games. They were always kind of in my
periphery. Hearing about them, kind of

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seeing video clips of people play it on YouTube.
I always thought the concept, much like Logan, I was like,
man, this is such a concept. I like the idea of like, let's
make Chuck E Cheese a horror movie or like a game out of it.
Sounds like it's got legs on it.Right, right.
It's just such a unique thing and like slogan get out of my
head because I was also on the same train with like this has

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terror fire vibes. I don't know why like.
What? What about it is like terror?
It's how it's it's how for me, it's it's how it's structured to
be like you're taking a trip down a rabbit hole and this
movie leaves things for you thatmake you want to see how far the
rabbit hole goes. Like Terror Fire.
It has a brother, sister protagonist combo and Mike and

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Abby. These pair are dealing with a
lot of adversity based in real life that humanizes them and
makes me immediately care about them.
I feel for Mike trying to do anything he can to help support
himself and his sister while dealing with like this inner
conflict of his loss of his brother.
I like the Jim Henson Muppet Show aspects and the costume

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design for the characters are kind of true representation of
the game. I love that the movie captures
like the aesthetic of the games and like seeing the control room
come to life with the level of detail is impressive.
Matthew Lillard is one of those actors who's he's just fun to
watch in any movie. Oh yeah, I like him as William
Afton. And the spring trap costume

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reveal is pretty bad ass. Did you play the games at all?
No I never played the games theyalways interest me.
I just same reason I don't really like jump scare games
like. I don't like them either.
I kind of. I prepare myself for them and I
go, no, I throw the phone away. But it doesn't enough to keep me
entertained. It's got tons of style points.

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It leaves some loose ends to tieup which you already know will
end up being like a string or strung along several more
sequels, which is why I say it reminds me a bit of Terrifier
series and that they're using the same formula of long form
storytelling, character and world building across several
movies. And I'm excited to see where

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these sequels go next. It gets just this nascent world
that we're just seeing for the first time in like a theatrical
setting, and now like, we get toexplore it more.
And that to me, it's like reallyexciting.
Very cool. How about you?
Before I didn't anything so thisis kind of missed me.
I understood this was a very popular property.
I knew that there was a lot of like streamers and, and really

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popular video game theories, butit's just one of those things
over the years I just hadn't really plugged into, you know,
it was just I, I again, I thought the concept had legs.
And so the first thing I did waspurchase the the first game and,
and played it a little bit. And I, you know, me, I'm a huge
advocate of horror and video games.
I was pleasantly surprised by the game.

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I thought it was interesting. I thought it was really had good
jump scares. I thought it was a little basic,
but it did come out in 2014 and the concept was strong.
I got the idea behind it pretty quickly.
And and then, you know, I watched a couple of the lore
videos and stuff. Matt Pat, you know, we talked
about and his video game theory on it and that really added to
some of it. And especially how there's a lot

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of environmental storytelling inthe video game with articles
popping up at different times and the security voice message
guy pops up and, and the whole thing with the golden Foz
Fazbear, Fazbear or Fazbear. And you know, I thought that was
really cool. So I was very excited for the
movie because I was kind of excited to see what they were
going to do with a lot of that because there's a lot of meat on

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that bone, especially if you watch Matpat's video and we'll
get more into that in Conspiracycorner, I think.
But I was really excited going into this movie and the movie, I
don't know, it wasn't my favorite movie, to be honest
with you. I thought they introduced a lot
of things that they really didn't have to.
I think they walked a long ways that they didn't have to.
The entire first like 2 acts. I was just kind of like, all

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right, tighten it up guys. And then, you know, they get
into where they're playing with the animatronics and things like
that. And I really wasn't sure the age
group of this movie, you know, Imean, the video games are pretty
dark, but they're not like. It was that rated R.
It was rated PG13. Dark so I was like who, and I
really can't stepped away from this movie going like who is

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this for? They kind of almost tried to
make it for children in a way, but like then there's stabbings
and serial killers and children getting abducted.
So it wasn't really for that. So I kind of concluded it was
for fans of the game, which I think is correct.
And, and believe me, I think they should do this.
And I don't want to rain on anybody's parade who, who really
likes this because I'm, you know, I'll be the first one to

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admit I'm a Bloodborne addict. I got involved in Bloodborne
much the same way that it soundslike Logan got into Five Nights
at Freddy's, where I heard a little bit of the lore and I was
like, I got to check this out. And then, you know, 1000 plus
hours into that game and watching every lore video that
has ever come out and philosophybe of Bloodborne and reading the
books. I'm really into that game.
And it's just one of those things that I understand it and

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I understand this. My my overall feelings on this
movie is, is much like fire it up.
I really wanted them to tighten it up.
It seems like they really kind of went in a weird direction
with some of it. So I'll talk more about it
later. But I mean, it seemed like they
were going in too many directions and it kind of
watered down the whole concept for me.
I think that's a fair. Circle You didn't rain on the

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parade at all. And you know what?
It doesn't rain all the time. Can't rain every day.
You know what, Bear Claw, I had a lot of the same feelings as
you on this movie. I had never played the video
games. I'm not a video game person, but
you know what? Even before the movie, I had
heard about this game series before and I think I was kind of

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interested in it because of the horror take and I had seen some
of the screen grabs and gameplayon it.
So it really looked cool. So I really, you know, was
interested in seeing this. I'm glad Logan picked this movie
because it is one that I maybe would have never like forced
myself to watch, but one I definitely wanted to watch.

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And so my aspect is just a general movie going person
watching this movie. And so I'm kind of like in what
Bear Claw is saying, this movie tried to do like a lot of stuff.
Yeah. And if you're a fan of the game
series and a fan of the lore, itit's probably hitting all those
beats for you. And.

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And adding some different, adding some more I.
Would argue it misses some of the beats too though.
Well, there wasn't a lot of juice on the bone of the game.
I mean, for me, I wanted a more simpler like approach because I
think you're trying to do too much.
We'll get into it. Some of the dream stuff, some of
that have never seen a simple horror movie.

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I mean, it's just a lie. What I was really expecting, not
playing in the games was something like killer
animatronics and it being scary in coming to life and in this
kind of destitute pizzeria that,you know, has some of the cool
vibes that we had at Chuck E Cheese in the early 90s and

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stuff. So it would have hit some of the
nostalgia vibes, and it does. Don't get me wrong, it does.
Some of those animatronics when we were younger we're pretty
jarring. Oh yeah, who isn't afraid of
animatronic? Who isn't afraid of Chuck E
Cheese and all his rap bastard friends?
Like I'm almost certain the director has been to Burger King
Castle in Meriden, CT. They knew.

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They knew. Listen, I think this movie does
a lot of cool things, don't get me wrong.
I think the animatronics themselves are awesome.
Like, yeah, visually and practically too, because I
thought a lot of this was going to be CGI, but it's not.
They like. Yeah.
And says they use Henson StudiosI thought.
It was CGI too. And then I was like, oh.
Shit. Yeah, actual.
Yeah. I mean, and some of that is

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really cool. The the lore.
I do like some of the lore and this is tough.
Like how do you pick and choose what you know?
Because he can't go overboard. So I feel like, like you were
saying to bear claw, the audience in here is a little
tough. Like who is this really for?
And you're right, it's for the fans and that's cool.
But as a general movie going person, like it doesn't

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necessarily hit everything for me.
Logan, how about you? This is your first time seeing
the movie, no? No, you've seen the movie.
I've seen the movie at least like 3 times before.
Before we go into it though, this is the Chuck E Cheese
animatronic. That's scary, the living shit
out of me. Yeah.
Yeah, the chef, the. Dancing Mustache.

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Yeah, it looks like Papa Gina. I don't like that shit, that
shit. You guys see Matt Pat's video on
how a certain pizza brand was actually Chuck E Cheese pizza.
Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty good. Matt.
Pat's great. Yeah.
So I watched this movie at leastthree times before I actually
saw this movie like the first day of released because it was
on Peacock like right away. I think what was so interesting

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to me was like it was so different from the video game
that I was kind of like taken back a little bit because I was
like, oh wow, this isn't exactlywhat I expected from it, but I
wouldn't say it was a bad expectation.
I think like on my first watch of it, I was like, oh this is
pretty good. And I think it's been a long
time. Obviously it came out like 2
years ago, which is kind of crazy because it feels like a

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longer. Yeah, but I watched it like this
last week and I was just like, wow, this is not at all what I
remember being because I was kind of like, this movie is
really like cool, but it's also like there was so much stuff
that I really forgot about. Like I knew the certain.
Like obviously I knew about the story beats, Like I remember
that shit. But as far as like the kills and

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like the Fort building scene, I.Think we could use the tables
for the Fort? Like that stuff I forgot about.
I was like, wow, this is really something.
But I think what's so interesting to me is that it
deviates from any kind of other horror movie that we've seen,
and that it's kind of a different take on the horror
element. And I will say this, I want to
shout out the Home Girl, but shedid not seem interested in

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filming a Five Nights at Freddy's movie.
You're talking about Emma, Tammy.
Yeah, it felt like she was writing a separate movie and
then she's like Five Nights at Freddy's.
And then animatronics, animals, killers in there.
Yeah, it felt like she wanted tomake a separate movie fan thing,
and she was just like, well, let's make it with Five Nights
at Freddy's. It just felt very like it didn't

(23:08):
feel like the animatronics fit well into the plot.
Into the narrative, right? Yeah, it felt like William
Afton's character was more of the villain and that the
animatronics were kind of like the good guys that were just
being like. But it was confusing.
It was confusing because of the fact that that that that didn't
make shit sense and she didn't know what the hell she was

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doing. Plus, like I was looking at the
runtime here, and to be looking at the runtime I was, it's
because I was bored. But like, you know, hour into
the movie, it had been just likeit.
Took so long. It took so long for us.
Exposition unrelated to Fozzie, because like why I wanted to
watch this movie was like the IPthe IPI wanted to watch it.

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I wanted to learn about Fozzie Bear and lot situations and and
you know, the animatronics and the weirdo created them.
I didn't really give a rat aboutI.
Just. About Mike Schmidt's dream
sequences felt very weird dream.Scenario.
Now I will say it was like. Nicolas Cage should have just
shown up. Yeah, I will say this didn't

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feel like it was written from the book.
From what I know of the book, itis wrote out like the book and I
think that's what they were going off of.
I. Just can't believe there's a
whole book. Yeah, somebody.
Has actually. There's more than one.
Yeah. It's like a ton.
And they're in a series. They're like a anthem OG series
like Five Nights at Freddy's. Book I think we just like
completely underestimate how bigthis how nerd Larry are of this

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IP is like I guess I was watching like.
Respect any of those book writestimeline.
Why on YouTube? I mean, they got a published
book. I don't know.
Putting time into a book like that shit shouldn't be a thing
that people do. It feels like fanfiction, and I
don't respect fanfiction. Why?
Yeah, that's cool. I don't respect it.

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I think it's creepy and weird. Thing, Kevin.
Kevin slowly hides this Halloween.
Halloween 5 people. How Halloween 6 should have
been. Written as his script.
Halloween Halloween 3 I'll just hide these.

(25:23):
Scripts. Over here, how Halloween 5
should have been followed up by God.
I think like, it's fine with me.I just, I think there's so much
in this movie that's interestingand there's so much in this
movie that just didn't get followed up with any information
whatsoever. And that's saying something
because there's a lot of exposition.
Yeah, I felt like there was way too much I I want to ask you

(25:46):
guys a couple questions based onthis, because I I was thinking
that this movie had a real good chance to be one of the scariest
video game adaptations into a movie because in theory, like
killer animatronics, I feel. Like a man, like it's like a
setup you like. You got a perfect shot here.

(26:06):
You know what, this movie is just the beginning and I think
they knew that it was going to be good.
And that's why I think the second one and the third one and
however many they make is going to get bigger and badder, just
like Terrifier where it gets crazier.
And I actually do think the second one should be rated R and

(26:26):
going forward because now the community is.
Made that this one was rated R Somebody gets chewed in half
because PG13. That's how they show it, yeah.
And I mean, do you think that adds to it because.
It's like PG13, like it was meant.
That's what the director said. The director, Emma, whatever
Emma, Tammy, she said her herself that she was like, this
movie is built for the communitythat was kind of like raised

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with five nights at Phrase. They kind of won the game.
So it was for the people that played the original game back in
the day. Yeah, for sure.
And I get that. I just think like this movie had
a chance to be like the scariestvideo game adaptation.
That's what I feel like I bought.
It's like, to your point, you had to appease a certain
audience. So PG13, I feel like it probably

(27:09):
fell short a little bit of what it was trying to go to, but it
does have some deep and scary themes like the kidnapping
thing. The man who took them, he was a
was a very bad man. Like that's a pretty.
Yeah, I mean, well, the whole idea of them even like stuffing
the bodies into the animatronicsafterwards.

(27:29):
It did that very. Yeah, but like the game, it
talks about this and if you go in like Matpat's theories and
stuff, there's there's articles that talk about how like the
animatronics didn't smell right and they had like stuff that was
leaking out of them that was mysterious liquids and things
like goes like and nobody and that's.
One of the. That's one of the reasons that

(27:50):
it was shut down. I mean, little things like that.
I mean, that's, that's canonicallittle game.
You could have put it in there. You still could have kept BG 13.
It was just so they could they could market it well.
And plus, it's hard to get people in line for a rated R5
Nights at Freddy's movie when people are still like me back in
2023. What I was, I was no well. 2014

(28:12):
was underage, 2014 is when the game came out, Yeah.
So 10 years from now. So anybody who played the game
likely between the ages like 8 and 10, this is 10 years later.
So I think you still could have gone for an R and been pretty
successful with. This well, bear claw, we got a
point at the numbers here, $300 million.

(28:32):
They don't did any of. Them, any of them, I mean, right
now, any of the points I'm goingto bring up throughout this
entire podcast, they can go shutup.
We made $300 million and I'll go, well, your face is made of
Doo Doo. And that's how much he's going
to be. You're you're ugly and your
mother dresses you funny as well.
Very caught throwing a tantrum. Yeah, I mean, like now that they

(28:54):
have a $300 million box office, it stands to say that they now
have a bigger budget too, to do more shit, Hopefully 20.
$1,000,000 ain't nothing though.And and Jim Henson animatronics.
I mean that ain't exactly B movie.
True, but like with a bigger budget too, sometimes that's not
necessarily a a good thing either.

(29:15):
But I don't know I well. Here.
Here's what I see right now for the second one is they have a
budget of $51 million. Double.
And guess what? Still PG13.
Yeah, they're sticking with it. Yeah, if it worked one time,
it's got to work again. Works.
I want to get into the movie a little bit because right away I

(29:35):
really liked the beginning. Yeah.
The security guard tone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was cool. That was like old school.
Horrors the Chekhov's gun too. Was so cool with the with the
screw. Oh yeah, with the screw man.
And that was a scary scene too, when he's getting that
animatronic thing put on him. Yeah.
What happened to him? Which one did he become though?
I don't think he becomes anybody.

(29:56):
I think they just killed the security guards and talk to him.
OK, yeah, cuz they're a little too close.
He was one of the bodies and when they found the bodies
towards the end where he he seeslike all the bodies like the
babysitter and Hank it there. Oh, like laying in that.
Yeah, he was laying there. So yeah.
And right away too, we get the cool Foxy.
Yeah, Yep, with the humming, that's creepy.

(30:21):
I love yeah. And then boom, the jump scare.
I love the game. Right, Cuz does that happen in
the game? Who's never sitting in the
security office? Just like the whole purpose of
the game is somebody sitting in the security office and weird
shits going on, but he's asleep in the security office.
I don't know. Here's my take on it.

(30:41):
There's not enough meat on the bone of the first game to really
bring that into light and make it interesting in the now
current. I disagree.
Well. What would you have him do?
Would you rather have him awake and just seeing?
I mean, did you listen to, like,Matt Pat's video?
Yeah. I mean, this goes to Conspiracy
Corner, but there's a lot of evidence that it's based off of

(31:03):
a shooting that happened. Yeah, I know of the.
War like of that and it's like, why couldn't it have been him in
like a nightmare or like him in hell or something like that Like
and it turns out that he's the one that killed these these
people at this Chuck E Cheese and like he's a security guard
and he feels guilty about it. Take out Abby, take out all that

(31:23):
other. I mean cut, cut, cut, tighten it
up, tighten it up and like you, you cut all that crap out and
he's just this security guard he's hired.
It's kind of mysterious, but he's in this like otherworldly
pizzeria and like you, you have him like experiencing this crazy
thing. And it's all about the people
that he killed when he like justlost his shit as a security

(31:45):
guard and went around and like, and the the animatronics are
like his victims. And the Golden Bear is like the
one that didn't die in that shooting.
And I mean, you could have that be like the whole movie.
And I mean, it might only be like an hour to an hour and 15
minutes, but that. Seems like a Prime Video movie
that doesn't feel like a. But I mean, I think, I think you
still could have made $300 million with an hour five nights

(32:07):
at Freddy's that stayed really true to that.
And like, you didn't need to like, why?
Why are we talking about dreams?Yeah, I thought it was
interesting because I think whatwas so cool about it is you
don't know how much goes into itbecause this watch there I was
kind of listening towards the dream theory stuff and I got to
say, man, I think Dream theory is super cool.

(32:29):
And though the dreamer remains asleep, walks through memory as
if experiencing it for the firsttime, a new.
I think that stuff is like supercool.
So hearing him talk about how he's like, the reason he went to
sleep is so that he could find out more about his brother
because he believes that there'smore that meets the eye and that
he remembers. Well, isn't he trying to like,

(32:50):
remember, like the stuff he's forgetting?
Yeah, yeah, You know, 'cause like.
And he somehow believes he can like, change it in the dream.
Lucid dreaming. He thinks he can manipulate his
dreams so that he can find further truths to what happened
to his brother. Well, technically there was no
he still believes his brother's alive, and obviously, you know

(33:10):
his brother. That was another question I had.
Is his brother alive? Where's his?
Brother. His brother's definitely dead.
His. Brother's brother's dead, but
like is he one of the machines or not?
We haven't had one of those loose ends that I was talking I.
Think you could He shows up right in front of the the fox,
but the fox was clearly the redhead kids.
So I was like. Yeah, it's coming, right?
Because they tease it at the end, right?

(33:31):
It's like, like, come find me inthe credit.
I don't know if we are gonna getit in the next one, but I could
totally see it being hinted at because I do believe that.
Like there is obviously a tie tothat.
Like there's no way it's not just a coincidence that like he
so happened to be hired to this job where the guy who took his

(33:52):
brothers hired the cemetery. It's it's just, it's just what
it's supposed to be. But I don't believe we're gonna
see him. You know, so Barack, what you
were saying about myself too, I had the same thing like as I was
watching it, like, how do we tighten this up?
Like, do we get rid of the dreamstuff, blah, blah.
And I think honestly, this is like we've talked about this is

(34:12):
setting up a bigger world, you know what I mean?
So they are throwing a lot in this movie.
But it's because it's the first movie, so they're trying to make
you they're. Setting the table.
Yeah, yeah. They're trying to show you what
they can do and trying to show you what they might be able to
do. Feel like you could have done
that, like tightening it up. Like I said, I I just wanted the

(34:34):
animatronics to be chasing people down for for 90 minutes.
That's what I was looking. For yeah, and I've heard until
expectations kill, man. I've heard that, though.
The one we really want to see isWillie's Wonderland.
And you know, Willie's Wonderland is probably 9090
minutes of the animatronics chasing people down with
Nicholas Cage not saying a word.That's that's exactly what

(34:56):
you're. Not excited, I'm gonna go watch
that when I get home. I think what's so interesting
about that is it's like, even though, you know, this isn't
like your kind of movie, there is still a movie out there that
does fit your description of like what you want.
I think, like, even though Five Nights at Freddy's isn't that
movie for me, I think it's enough to like, I'm, I'm

(35:18):
satisfied. Yeah, yeah, it is a shitty plot,
but like, what? Again, I don't think the
director wanted to do a Five Nights.
I mean, listen, if the people that are fans of Five Nights at
Freddy's really love this plot, the. 300 million.
Don't listen to old Bear Claw. Here, let me get you squared.
This is one man's opinion on theart as it is, you know.

(35:40):
Well, let's get into some good things we like.
I gotta ask, who's your favoriteanimatronic?
We have Freddie, Foxy, Chica, Cupcake Bonnie, and then we
have. Golden Freddie I lost my shit
when Golden Freddie showed up 'cause I thought that was the
coolest one. See, I didn't know who Golden
Freddie was, so I was. Like I thought it was this.
Freddie all. Fucked up dude.

(36:01):
I love my favorite. Too.
Like, let's go. I thought the kids were inside
of it. What's going on here?
Even the kid says he's like, that's not a Freddie.
Not Freddie. It's.
Time to go play that was, I was gonna say my favorite.
I almost wrote down. It's not one of my that's not
Freddie. I love that shit cuz being a fan
of the original games, I know that shit ain't Freddie.

(36:23):
I love it. I don't know, Chica creeped me
out the most. Yeah, Chica.
Chica was. Chica is my favorite
animatronic. I think just cuz the bird thing,
the bird thing, the bird thing. I'm in.
I'm into female animatronic Chico.
What about Chica? That's the only reason I what?
Yeah, people are obsessed with Chica back in the day.

(36:45):
I liked Foxy the best. I thought Foxy in the song.
And. Yeah, I thought that was creepy.
I actually like Bonnie the Rabbit, especially when they go
after the the Hank. Is his name Hank the guy?
Yeah, ends up hiding in the closet and Bonnie's always on.
That's that's popping off starting shit.

(37:06):
Oh yeah, man. Well, you like Golden.
I mean, if I had to pick any of them, I pick Balloon Boy.
Oh. Balloon Boy.
I love balloon boy from the moment I for Sarah, because that
bitch, I hate him. I would say as far as like
actual, I'll go with the main man himself.
I do really love. I love the eyebrows.
The eyebrows are my yeah of Freddie are so cool.

(37:29):
Yeah, I liked Freddie, too. I thought that was cool.
Like, Oh yeah. I had a question about Chica in
the cupcake. Is the cupcake a separate kid
or? Yeah, it is a separate.
Kid, are they siblings? So Mr. Cupcake is basically best
friends with Chica? All right, Because I saw like
there's like a picture, like allthe little drawings and they're

(37:50):
together. So I was like, are they like a
bro? Yeah, they're best friends.
They're like, they got really close.
I just thought that was that's kind of like twisted that.
There's not a lot of. Killer put them both into this
like costume where like. They're.
Combined. I mean, they just work together
because they're best friends. There's not a lot of like detail
that goes into it, but off the games they work together.

(38:10):
Yeah, and I feel like I need to have a little bit of a public
statement here. Chica is my favorite.
There's no, there's no attraction.
That is the least sexy thing I've ever seen.
It looks like burnt play DoH. Millions disagree.
I know you're exaggerating but 40,000 scares me.
Get out. It's OK, but I.
Just I just. Wanna you're you're in the same
really. Wanna lay that out there?

(38:31):
They're in the same space. It was just 'cause I thought the
bird animatronic was creepy looking.
You. Know, dude, there's salmon's a
bird we know, yeah. I payment is a bird.
We all do know that I can't escape it.
I think what's so interesting for me is the fact that Five
Nights at Freddy's has so many characters, but not just like
they're not done yet with characters.

(38:51):
There's so many more that have yet to meet the eye.
So where does this go in your mind, Logan?
Like, like, like set up the nextmovie for me?
What? What dream sequences are we
gonna see? Oh, we're going to see some
scary dream sequences. One of the big things that I
really want to see with the sequel.
I know this isn't one of the questions, but I I do want to
pose the question to each and everyone of you.
What do you think happens? But for me, I think we're going

(39:13):
to set up a bigger threat. And there is a character in the
Five Nights at Freddy's universethat is pretty goddamn cool.
And it's the puppet. I love that.
I'll show you guys a picture, but the puppet is the creepiest
one of them all. I hate that bitch.
He's in the OR the marionette, but that's pretty much it.
Isn't that supposed to be Garrett?
I don't think so. Oh, Garrett.

(39:34):
That brother. Oh, OK.
It could. Actually, you know what?
I think you're right there. Yeah, but obviously I think
William Afton's coming. Back.
Oh yeah, he told you. I always come back, he will be
back, but I don't know if he'll be the villain or not.
They could set up a separate villain off of him it.
Killed quite a few children. Yeah.
I mean, you obviously have to set him coming back in the

(39:58):
second. Yeah, I just don't think he'll
be the main attraction. I think it'll be a.
Different villain like the marionette or a different kind
of character like any of the other characters from the
series. I just think there's so many
characters that I think they could introduce and that's why I
think it's very similar to our series of Blood and Honey that
we covered, is that they always introduce a new character each

(40:19):
time. Like in the last one we saw Owl,
and now in this third one we're going to see Rabbit.
I think when you introduce that many characters, though, it's so
interesting to what you can get.Like Dan said, this is setting
the table for the franchise, so there's.
So. There's, there's like a formula
that's going on, I think with a lot of the horror movies that
are appealing to, to younger, younger folks and that there are

(40:42):
these like they're lore based. They're they're like building
these universes. It's the it's the Marvel
Cinematic universalization of horror movies in these
intellectual properties that arelike video games or short
stories or what have you. Yeah.
Where do you see the sequel going?
Do you have any? I say I think there's gonna be
two sequels. I think they're going to each

(41:03):
perform slightly financially worse than the first one.
And then I think you're gonna see a great reboot that's gonna
be more, that's gonna be rated Rand that is probably gonna
follow closer to the video game of the first one.
That's where I see this go. And I see, I think you're gonna
have a second one that's gonna do pretty well, but maybe not
quite as well. And then you're gonna see a

(41:24):
third one that's gonna be like astraight to streaming and then,
you know, they're going to have exhausted because I mean, you
can only go so deep in lore without losing people.
The deeper you go into the lore over time, there's an equation
there of how many people want to, you know, even with the
Marvel Universe, you can kind ofsee that because, you know, once

(41:47):
they got the Phase 4, all of a sudden, like who's Kang?
Why do I care? It's not Thanos.
Like, fine, whatever. I don't know.
That's where I see it going. And I don't know.
I don't know where they go storywise because I only played the
first one and and I don't know like the the depth of the Freddy
lore but. The second trailer dropped and I
just showed Dan this. There is a image of the

(42:09):
marionette. The marionette is in the
background visiting our good oldSheriff or Pop.
Whatever, Vanessa there. Yeah, I think from the.
Trailer coming back. Yeah, I think in the trailer
they showed that Abby has a way of communicating with the
animatronics and that they're calling her back to.
It's that. It's that toy speak and spell

(42:31):
thing. Yeah, and that's like the main
and the main, you know? What they should have done, they
should have done ATV show. Then you know what they should
have done ATV show 'cause you know what this kind of reminded
me of when I was first watching it?
It kind of reminded me of a 2 long Goosebumps episode.
Yeah. And I feel like if they they
could have tightened it, especially if they have that
depth of lore they should have done ATV show.

(42:52):
And nothing convinces me more ofthat than aliens.
There's more money though, in making a movie I.
You can do it all man. You could do both.
Yeah, yeah, I guess you could doboth, but I mean, Alien Earth is
a real is a really interesting critique of how you can make
just a great ATV show into something amazing.
Because I've been watching that show, which surprisingly enough

(43:15):
has a lot of parallels to Five Nights at Freddy's.
I won't go into it 'cause I don't want to do any spoilers
for the show, but there's a lot of parallels to Five Nights at
Freddy's with that. And they just, the production
value is so high on that show, it really makes you think about
what you can do with a television show nowadays.
And this movie came out on streaming at the same time that
came out in theaters, so. Still 3300 million.

(43:35):
Oh, did really? Yeah.
I think what's interesting too is the characters, not just the
animatronics. There's so much war with the
other characters too. Even the freaking on.
Let's get to the on. I want to talk about that
because, bitch, this is a big thing for me that stands out, is
something that could have been caught because I was like, why?
What are we doing? Why her main thing didn't make

(43:58):
sense? Because she gives you 1000?
Dollars to face 20 years in prison.
We help ourselves to whatever. We find along the way your
nephew gets canned, Judge gives you the kid and you give us
$2000. 1000 what? So her goal was to have custody
of Abby, right? So those.
Monthly. Checks would give her a check.

(44:19):
She doesn't even care about Abby.
All she wants is the monthly check from the state.
The state's not given a lot of money are you're not going.
To be living the high life on the amount of money you're
getting for that, which is a crime in itself because you
should be given an adequate resource to take care of a
child. But still.
Yeah, right. You know, you know, net, net,
it's kind of like, oh, you're, you're after that golden ray a

(44:40):
number of times was a bit tough.This seemed like a pretty loose
thread to me of of a plot deviceto like why he needs this job at
Freddy's and why like he can't get.
What about the attractive cop who just shows up?
It's just. Randomly there and.
Turns out to be not only, not well, a cop, an accomplice, and

(45:00):
the daughter. Like what?
I don't know man, give me a giveme a hot cop Amen.
It's going of your back, man. I don't know.
I mean, didn't care that much. Yeah.
Because, like, right away she's shrouded in mystery.
Because our exposition is like alittle bit here, a little bit
here. I like, though that's not
telling the whole. Story.

(45:21):
Yeah, that's what I like. She's not creeped out by the the
the animatronics. She's just Oh, yeah, that's
yeah, no, Oh yeah, let's play. Let's like a like, let's like a
Fort. I I loved when she was
introduced because I'll be honest, until she got
introduced, I was kind of drugging through or dragging
through where I was kind of like, like, what are we gonna do
here? I was drugging through, man.

(45:43):
I was on that perky. She bumped my she gave me a
bump. She gave me a bump in the night.
And that should set me all right, because I think she isn't
just like I will say she does talk a lot.
She is an exposition driver, butat the same time, and she has
her little William Afton momentsbecause she does the same thing
that he does where she kind of just doesn't say the whole

(46:06):
thing. She's a little suspicious.
Yeah, just filling in. And I think.
That's, I think that's what's socool about it, is that she is
very similar to him in that way.There is a very big mystery
aspect to what's going on here in the story because not only
with the exposition, like her giving little bits here, a
little bits there, and what we're seeing as a viewer, it's

(46:27):
also the dream sequences, too, because the dream sequences
start one way, then the kids start coming in his dreams, and
then he's trying to get, yeah, and he's trying to get
information out of them. So it's like it really is
becoming a mystery, mystery, mystery.
And we're almost, at least I waslike, OK, we're going to figure

(46:50):
out who took his brother here. Who?
Killed. Kenny Yeah.
But then I'm like, well, they'renot really explaining the
animatronics, like what's going on.
But these people, like what you said is true.
The animatronics and stuff is kind of like the backdrop for,
yeah, the bigger mystery that they're telling here.
Not everything has to be revealed, too.

(47:11):
I mean it does kill and also helps the movie a little bit
because it keeps me interested in seeing another.
But at the same time, it's like,Jesus Christ, you filled me with
exposition, then you'll leave melike with nothing really.
One hour it took to get to. I will say the the deaths, like
we had to get some deaths here and like the way they get, like

(47:32):
you said, with the aunt, like hey, I'm gonna pay you this
money. Go fuck up Freddy's and then I
don't know about you guys. This seemed like the most random
group of friends I've ever seen.In my own life, they were
awesome. I think they were the greatest
group. Rank was awesome.
Yeah, and Hank, you had Max. Jeff.
Jeff, OK. Jeff is the brother.

(47:52):
I think they're friends by circumstance, man.
Yeah, they're not like they. Were at a bar with.
Him. I wish somebody would buy me a
wedding ring. I wish.
Someone would buy me a. Ring I'm sure they were at a bar
and they just asked a bunch of people like Halloween kill style
where they're like, hey. I thought that girl wanted Mike
to Mike wife or. Find out.

(48:14):
No, she was that other dude. Yeah, she was pretty reluctant,
though. Yeah, she was didn't seem in on
it, but she didn't seem not in on it enough to not participate
so. They that she had bills to pay.
That's true. The.
Same $1000 split four ways I. Really thought that ring thing
was going to come back too. She gets it pretty bad with, I
guess Freddie chomping. I was like.

(48:36):
She, she, I don't know that she deserved that.
I felt like Jeff Moore deserved to be cut in half.
She seems like. Not want to get involved with
that shit. I felt so bad for her because
she actually did care about those two.
She actually felt bad for Mike and Abby.
So it's kind of like, OK, you felt bad, you still broke into
his place. We're going to kill you anyway.
Here's the question I have too. Was Abby speaking speaking to
the ghost children before he went to which?

(48:59):
One was Abby's, the police officer.
Abby's the dodge I'm. Sure, in the dream.
Maybe she had a dream. She seemed to be communicating
via art somehow. Yeah, she had.
They were like some kind of entity was in the room with her.
Like in the beginning of the movie when she was drawing
pictures. She was like, oh, you're sitting
on my friend. Sitting on my friend.
Oh yeah, that's true. Was that one of the boys, like

(49:21):
one of the kids? I mean, that boy, it could be a
girl too. But so that's kind of a weird
dynamic too, that like, like Logan said, it seems like Mike
was always meant to take I. This job, OK, I disagree with
the take. Here is my take and I was going
to save this for a later on, butI think I'll say it now.
She was speaking to Garrett and that and the drawing that she

(49:44):
drew of Garrett. Getting taken was him.
Speaking to her to tell Mike to take the job and that Garrett
wanted him to follow to Freddy Fasner's Pizzeria and follow the
scent because he would get closer to taking down William
Afton, which is what he wanted do.
You think William Afton, do you think like there was a bigger

(50:04):
setup to get Mike to take the job?
How did he become like a career counselor and like how did he
get he? I'm sure so he was surprised by
the last name. Remember when he saw the last
name he recognized? Yeah.
Oh, shit. I'm sure he had that job as,
like, you know, you still got topay the bills.
Yeah. His taking kids things is side

(50:25):
hustle and then like dressing uplike the big big rabbit.
Yeah. My other question was, wasn't
the kids like all taken from like the pizza place?
Didn't they disappear from the pizza place, didn't it?
But then he I guess he had to goto Nebraska to get Garrett.
I believe, I don't know if this is true, but what I heard is
Garrett was the first kid he murdered.
Yeah, Garrett. He always remember.

(50:47):
At first, yeah, But like, to Logan's point, he knew who Mike
was, especially at the end when he was about to kill Mike.
And he. Yeah.
I think he, he, Garrett was his first.
And then he kept on going and then he was starting to raise
suspicion. He left, went over to wherever
the hell this is meant to be, and then he bought Freddie Fez.

(51:09):
Bears brought it up and then started doing his business there
as a cover. Yeah.
And then once they found out about that, he had to shut it
down and become a counselor or whatever to like, pay the bills.
I really liked the atmosphere ofFreddy Fazbear's like.
Oh yeah, I thought this. I thought the set design, I
thought the environmental storytelling, I thought the

(51:29):
animatronics were all fantastic.I really enjoyed that.
I I enjoyed less the five to 10 minute scene of cleaning it up.
I enjoy. Yeah, especially A. 2 hour
movie, like yeah, you can do this.
So I mean with it too, right? The idea is, and this is what

(51:51):
was the most confusing part for me, the ghost kids through the
animatronics are controlled by William Afton.
Yeah, right. I think it has to do something
with the pictures on the. Wall the pictures are the power.
Which is strange because there was also like this like
frequency thing that I thought like was happening too like with

(52:12):
the intercom. Yeah.
Like that turned them on like there was like this feedback
loop thing. It's yeah, I was picking up on
that. It seemed to be like a power.
It's. Hypnotism, like it's hypnotism
where it's like it's very connected to like dream theory
and stuff. Like you hear a certain noise
and it's like Pavlov where you kind of like react to it and it
like makes you like. They go to the sunken place.

(52:35):
Yeah. Yeah, cuz I'm like, why would
these kids help him out? Because they didn't know that he
that they were killed and they until they put the picture up
and then they're like, wait, youkilled us?
See, I thought, like, the picture was some kind of like
spell that he had on them or something like that, where,
like, it made them think that hewas their friend.

(52:55):
But as soon as Abby being another like, attuned to this
mystical haunted force or whatever, was able to kind of
override that by putting that picture up there.
Yeah. That's kind of how that's how it
read to me. You know, you can't deny that
there's some element of magic tothis movie.
I mean some type of like. Or something like that.

(53:17):
Kids are possessed by animals. Demon robot children, you know.
They're not demons, they're ghosts.
Streaming. You know there's a Freddy that
comes for you in your dreams too, but primetime bitch.
She's well, is a little bit different, yeah, but like it
isn't like the golden Fazbear like doesn't he not or Fazbear,

(53:37):
doesn't he like not like exist in like.
He's like a ghost. He's kind of like a ghost.
I'm not going to say anything because.
It's but in this he's not a ghost because the cab, the cab
driver. The cab driver is a streamer
too, but yeah, I give him creditwhere credit's due.
These guys are streamers, do a great job and I'm a big fan of a

(53:58):
lot. Of that guy retired like 40
times. It pisses me off every time
because I think he's coming backand then he's like, I'm out for
seven months and then I'll be back to do.
I watch video game streamers so I'm like no hate there.
I just, I didn't, just didn't know him.
So at the end too, we get the reveal that Vanessa, the police
officer, is William Afton's daughter.
His name is William Afton, he's my father.

(54:22):
Which I already knew. But, and it has been complicit
in this for many, many years. Well, so that's kind of the
reveal too, of like why she's not just telling Stockholm
syndrome of like what's? Or like considering she's a
police officer like. You know, more police involved.
Like serve and protect. But she had Stockholm syndrome

(54:43):
because she she went she's like,I won't be of any help to you
because I can't do it. Like she's so scared of him that
she can't, like, get involved. She's too scared to fight him.
Yeah. Feel like maybe the better if
you would have been better if she was maybe in like not a
police officer then. Like maybe no because that.
Wasn't a police. Well, I was questioning too.

(55:04):
Like, is she really a police officer?
Yeah, Yeah, she is. Yeah, she is, because that's how
they get the police away from that place.
She got the job to kind of or people way and that's how she
got the. Games at all or I've never.
Played no characters that are from the original games except
for the animatronics themselves.Well, Mike Schmidt's the name

(55:28):
of. The not Abby, not Vanessa, not
the aunt like any other. What about electricity?
You can use Zapperman. I know electricity was kind of a
big theme in the first game because you only because that's
how you open and shut the doors and turn the lights on.
Can't fight them, you have to survive them.
Isn't your power limited and youonly have like?
Yeah, you only have a certain amount of time.

(55:48):
That's how I remember you. Don't get Tasers in any.
Of that in the later games, there are certain aspects where
you can kind of play through, but those are less enjoyable
because then it's like it's not Five Nights at Freddy's, it's
like a video game and I don't like that I like to be in that
kind of situation. There are different elements.
So like in the second game, you can wear a mask that kind of

(56:09):
protects yourself so that if they see you, they're not like,
oh, you're you're one of us. But I think they're going to be
using that in the second movie. Gotcha, we get the payoff too at
the end that we see the yellow rabbit finally which I thought
was creepy like. Yeah, that.
Was the best part of the entire movie when he shows up?
Yeah. Oh, for sure.
And like, he's walking like a hunched over, like, yeah.

(56:31):
I didn't know people could go in.
At least the live people could go in those suits.
That was interesting. Yeah, it was cool.
And we find out that he is. I think the police officer
should have suited up at least once though.
Yeah, she might. Later game.
I think for me, I probably should have put them down.
Spring trap is the scariest one of them all because the

(56:53):
hunchback and like him, like walking out like holy shit, man,
that was creepy. And him talking to him, being
able to talk, I was like, oh man, this guy is serious.
Yeah. And we get the payoff that he is
Matthew Lillard, which I guess was announced at the beginning
of when Matthew Lillard signed on to the role, but I didn't
know that. So it was kind of a cool moment.

(57:13):
One knows except for the people that followed Matt Pat's war.
And then they would have known. But like, even at the same time,
it's like you don't know what's going to happen.
And that could have just been that could have just been
anything. Complete surprise to me, I
didn't. Know me too.
I thought that was cool. Did you like the ending?
Did you think it was like a goodlike conclusion to this movie

(57:35):
and sets up a sequel? What did you guys think?
Because, you know, like he says,I always come back.
Besides the villains, I mean. It doesn't really set up a
sequel for the heroes though, does it?
Yeah, because Vanessa's in the hospital.
Abby is asking at the end of themovie.
She's like, they're a lonely, can't we go see them?

(57:55):
And he goes. You never know what can happen.
And they've already set it up inthe trailer that they're coming
back. It's hinted at they're coming.
Back definitely, I think like towhat you were saying before,
like what do you think is going to happen in the next movies?
I think Mike feels like he's probably has this resolution
with Garrett F having faced Afton.
I think it's probably going to come back.
And I think you're right about him talking to Abby.

(58:18):
And that's going to bring him back into like, the fold with
the animatronics. And then the animatronics are
communicating with Abby. So there's what that whole
thing. Yeah, we have the unresolved
thing with like what's going on with Afton and the animatronics
in the pizza. Shop Yeah.
For me, it's all about them getting their retribution.

(58:39):
And that's how most, most ghostsare portrayed in medias, that
they are haunting people to get the revenge.
And I feel like Mike is there toget them their revenge on Afton
and finally putting him there. Yeah.
And you know, it'd be cool too. A prequel.
Yes, I. Again, the TV show.
I could see that being like an anthology series.
And yeah, that would be great. Start disappearing.

(59:01):
The prequel TV series. Yeah, each one of them is one of
the kids that disappears, and Matthew Lillard stars in it.
Dan, I know you've seen it. I had very big black phone vibes
from this a little bit, you know, with the kidnapping part
and and stuff like that and. That was such another movie.
And yeah, and poo. Yeah, honey, you're right for

(59:23):
sure. I.
Like the Poo movies much more than this.
Oh. What?
Yeah, save. That for a hot.
Day they were way better. I know you love the poo movies.
It's time for conspiracy Corner.Does anybody have any
conspiracies? I mean I just love Matt Pats

(59:44):
conspiracy around this about theoriginal game being based off of
an actual Chuck e There were 5 original members at Five Nights
at Freddy's. One of them survived.
That's the golden Freddie or theGolden Freddie Bear.
His theory is, is that the wholegame is really from the point of

(01:00:05):
view of the guy who hid out in the bathroom and killed
everybody. That was kind of how that
happened in the theory. Well, not the theory.
That's what happened at the Chuck E Cheese shooting that
happened in real life. This one disgruntled ex employee
hid out in the bathroom and thenkilled everybody in the
restaurant and took the money. But one of the people survived.
But it's like one of those things were like, that's the
premise of it and I think that. That would have been cool to

(01:00:28):
work into the movie or be the backbone of the movie.
Is that theory? Because I thought that was
pretty interesting and scary. I think that would have made it
probably in our movie. But him like being in hell and
the ghosts are out for their revenge on him and him trying to
avoid it in the entire time. You think he's like the final
girl when in reality he's the bad guy who killed the children

(01:00:51):
or something like that. You make A twist so it doesn't
fall because you don't want to follow real news events because
that's almost too creepy and morbid.
But you have it where like maybehe killed children, which is
creepy and morbid too don't get me wrong, But like you have it
where he killed children and he was responsible for security but
he killed the children and put them in the animatronic.
Then they were coming after him now but he was like despondent

(01:01:14):
because he was in hell. I thought that would have been
cool. Maybe Matthew Lillard's
character is the twin brother oruncle of the guy.
I was trying to think of how this would line up with the
Scream timeline of Love the Scream guy of the same Matthew
Lillard from. Scream, you're trying to
combine. I'm trying to bring them
together. I'm trying to Weld them together

(01:01:36):
here, but I don't know. I thought that would have been
cool too. I don't know.
But yeah, those are my conspiracies.
I will say this, this ties into My Conspiracy is the second
movie is set to have a couple ofnew characters introduced, such
as the marionette and the balloon boy character.
But there's also the toy versions of them, which are
different versions and they're more playful because the second

(01:01:59):
one will have a different location, a sister location.
The real, the real community will understand that reference.
But my conspiracy is that due tothe fact that is a franchise, do
you think that there's differentcharacters that are going to be
played by different ghosts? Because I think it could be a

(01:02:21):
certain like not the same ghostsare haunting like a different
location. Because obviously I think like
ghosts are pretty much tied to their.
Are you saying so? There's different Freddie.
What if most haunt the mind and not the location?
I think you're saying there's different pizzerias that's.
Different. It's a franchise, so there's
different pizzerias and I think that each one is haunted.

(01:02:44):
By different has like a like unique spirit, yeah.
Cuz there's not, there's different characters, like
there's gonna be a character in the new one called Mango and
Mango's characters kind of like obviously you can probably guess
it's a mangled animatronic and it looks very cool.
So obviously I don't think that character will be the same ghost
as we've seen in this one. So that could tie into like

(01:03:05):
there could be more that meets the eye with the more kids that
are being. Yeah, I like that idea.
My conspiracy theory is that Mike's father is actually
William Afton's partner who originally helped him develop
all of the animatronics because he did have a partner according
to the lore. Yep, yeah.

(01:03:25):
That's a good theory. Yeah, and he killed his partner.
But it's funny you say that because when Mike is giving his
expedition dump to Vanessa. Yeah.
He doesn't. Didn't I say exposition?
He said expedition, expedition unknown.
Expedition unknown When he's giving his expedition.
Expedition. Now, I can't say it.

(01:03:45):
Exposition don't. There we go to Vanessa.
Yeah, he says about his mom, butthen he says something about his
dad, like something off, you know?
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Yeah, that's kind of like a throwaway.
He just couldn't take it. Her mom died a little while back
and dad, he couldn't. His original.

(01:04:06):
Something, yeah. His original business partners,
Henry, Emily and he created the original iconic animatronics.
And then Afton was like, well shit, he stole my idea when in
actuality he stole his idea. So it's like a yeah, they could
point into that. The sequel would give us some of
that, too. Yeah, we're on to hot takes.

(01:04:27):
I have a hot take and it's, I think for a sequel maybe, but we
were talking about like TV series and other movie ideas.
I'm not a fan of them usually, but I think it would be very
cool to see a found footage. Five Nights at Freddy's.
Movie. Well they have the FNAFVHSS on
YouTube. It's basically like little

(01:04:48):
shorts. Yeah, I didn't know there's so
many. There's so many fan films too,
and I think you would like to watch.
I like that. That would be cool because I
like the concept of like, going through this pizzeria that's
been abandoned and seeing different things that the
characters don't see to go to the hot and things like that.
Yeah. So I don't know.

(01:05:09):
That would be cool. Any other hot takes?
I got a hot take. My hot take is I think they went
the wrong direction by making this PG13.
I think they should have made it.
PGI think you could have reasonably taken a lot of the
dark elements out of this and actually made something very
goosebump esque like that level of horror out of it.

(01:05:30):
Yeah, I see what you're saying. I see what you're putting down.
And I think you could have made something a little bit more
family friendly. And a little less effed up.
And a little bit less and it maybe, you know, maybe lighten up
on the child being stuck in the animatronics, but just have
haunted animatronics. Like there's levers that you
could have pulled to make this alittle bit more family friendly.

(01:05:52):
And it would be like a fun like Halloween town kind of Halloween
movie. I like the director of Five
Nights at Freddy's when you don't understand the war, and I
think I'm going to take the film's side in this.
I think it was good that it was PG13.
You could have. Left in all the Abbey parts they
could have had at Fort, they could have, you know, the Five
Nights at Freddy's. The animatronics could have

(01:06:14):
turned out to be the good guys that were under the control of
like some evil guy with machinations.
And they could have just been animatronics without dead
children in them. You could have really turned
down the volume on everything and I think made something a
little bit more coherent and a little bit more mass appeal.
Well, I don't know how it could be more mass appeal than this,

(01:06:34):
but I feel like I feel like you could have like this was made
for fans of the game, but I think you could have made
something more generic. You still could have tightened
it up, but I mean, you also could have turned it down a
little bit and I think you couldhave had a pretty good product
on your hands. That's my hot.
I think we should see Five Nights at Freddy's versus the
Hall of Slain. I want Tim Capello against Oh

(01:06:57):
my. They.
Wouldn't they wouldn't stand a chance?
They wouldn't stand a chance against Tim Compello.
I mean just his like and Hollis.And Hollis, Hollis would be
coming at him with a wrench. There just be, you know.
How much blood? Can you imagine that?
Brock Brothers wouldn't do overtime at Five Nights at
Freddy's. Man, any other hot takes?

(01:07:18):
Actually I was going against what bear claw was saying is
that I don't think you need an Rrated version of this or PG
version. I think the PG13 format works
great. Think it stays true to the
gameplay as well, with it being more terrifying visuals and
atmospheric terror. I like the mystique of what
these animatronics are capable of doing and they give you
enough to set up tension where that cutaway death scene, I

(01:07:40):
think it just works well. Like it's like the cutaway, it
kind of alleviates the tension. There's the build up and then
you're kind of left to your imagination.
Like the opening scene with the death mask, you get the blades
right up close and then they cutaway and you're just like, oh, I
couldn't imagine. Yeah, I don't think I wanted to
see that or the body being cut like.
I liked how they showed it. So with the shadow of if they

(01:08:02):
showed it, that movie would havetotally been radar and then it
would be like terrified for sure.
So maybe there is something to be said for going halfway, you
know, because it does. It does leave some to the
imagination. I hear what you're saying.
I think my hot take is I actually liked that Mike Schmidt
was giving a story because I thought it was funny him beating

(01:08:24):
the shit out of that guy. He.
Beat up a man in broad daylight in.
Front of his child. I thought that shit popped me.
I was like, Oh my. God I laughed.
I watched the dead meat on this or the kill count from dead meat
on this. Him saying he was baptizing the
guy. I.
Like Doctor Wolfie was the one where he was like, I just beat

(01:08:46):
the shit out of the guy. Oh my God, in.
Front of us, getting to us. Danny, it's time for our Hall of
Slain. Our Hall of Slain are characters
that have died in the movies that we review that would help

(01:09:06):
us get through and survive a horror movie because we are the
final girl. Are there any characters from
Five Nights at Freddy's you would like to nominate?
I will take front runner at this.
I think the best character in this is my boy Hank.
We are on fire right now. I got the same.
I got the same nomination. And I pretty much.
Hank. Hank is like the bigger guy.

(01:09:28):
He's. Running need a.
Tank. He need a tank.
He's running. Skills and the ability to push
everything away and run right. Out to the work guy who was
willing to knock over DO AB and E for under $250.
We might need cheap labor. That was Jeff.
That was Jeff. That wasn't Hank.
Hank was the big bearded guy. Yeah, but he also.
Yeah. I don't want Jeff 250.

(01:09:50):
Yeah, but also he lets you know where the killer is because he
screams all the time. Yeah, when Hank is screaming,
you know to go to the other direction.
He's like our signal, you know, when we, when we're facing, we
need a, we need a bat signal. And man, oh man, that guy is
pretty much a. So you guys are nominating Hank
for cannon fodder? Is that my understanding?

(01:10:10):
We need we need someone big. Meet for the grinder.
Him and Alice at the bar. With we've been light on tanks
lately. You're right.
Yeah, you're right, Tank. We haven't had a bigger
gentleman in a while. I don't know about this one.
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like.
Put him in the Logan. Wing, I don't know.

(01:10:31):
Is he really gonna add that muchvalue or are we adding dead
weight here? I mean, one of our last entries
was the lead singer of Offspring.
I mean, do we think Hank is at that caliber?
I mean. Max, maybe Max, she was a
sweetheart. All she wanted was a ring.
She could babysit. Yeah, we need, I need a
babysitter. Again, somebody will.
Frog. Brother need friendly for

(01:10:55):
probably for probably much less than $250.
Again, I'm gonna I'm gonna deferto the argument cheap labor.
Cheap, cheap cannon father. I mean, listen, I won't oppose
it, but I'm just putting it out there that like, I don't know
that this adds anything to the crew.
I think it does I. Think it.
I think it. Hank is big.

(01:11:15):
He can rye you gonna. Shoot Hank down.
I'll go with the crowd. If you guys want Hank in, I'll
bring him in. But it's up to you.
Bear Claw. You're the deciding vote here.
You know what? I mean, he wasn't even brave.
He wouldn't even be good cannon fodder.
No, my heart, I have to go vote with my.
Heart coming with me. God damn we gotta open.

(01:11:36):
Up that point, the Logan Wing prevails.
Congratulations on your first tank.
Thank you more. Useless.
Hey, you know what I need a Hankwho runs You guys have Hollis.
I other director Hollis is. All of ours again.
You're. Suffering yourself.
I am suffering myself from him. Hank is my beloved bro.

(01:11:57):
Hank into Logan don't. Worry, we just have, you know,
PhDs, voodoo doctors, you'll have you.
Guys want on little. Kids and and Hank Nathan.
Nathan hit the clown horn. You want to take the on.
Oh my. I don't want the on.
Yeah, there's no way we know she's.
Alive. Let's see, you've got a rat,

(01:12:18):
you've got 2 little kids, you'vegot Frank, Fred, Willard, who's
probably your best hope out of the bunch.
What? About Max, you don't want to
nominate Max. No.
Well, again, no. No, we're we're all about.
The I don't want Max. She's too.
She's too dramatic for me. I want Hank.
Well, it's time for hook, line and stink.

(01:12:47):
Hook is our favorite kill of themovie, our line is our favorite
line or quote in the movie, and our stinker is something funny,
awful or weird that happens thatmakes the movie either better or
worse. My hook is going to be Max being
chomped by Freddie in the shadows.
I really liked that. And like I think Dan said it
right, it does leave your imagination to imagine what this

(01:13:07):
could look like. My line is William Afton.
I always come back. I always come back.
I thought that was cool at the end and my stinker is honestly
the odd storyline because I I'm like why the hell is this in
here? Like.
Wow, I'm surprised one missed your stinker.
I really thought you were gonna put the Fort building scene on

(01:13:29):
your stinker. You really hated that.
That's my yeah, the Fort building scene.
Where they're all like. I saw, I looked over at him and
he just went, I don't know what are we doing?
What? Are we doing?
Because I don't think. Mike, let's go build a So let's
go build a pillow for it while Laura is in the other room.
We're gonna need a much bigger pillow for it.

(01:13:52):
I was like, holy shit, where is the cyanide?
What is? Going on here.
I thought that was so funny thatI knew your reaction.
When you you know what, Logan, I'm putting that as my official
stinker that. No, I knew exactly what you were
expecting in that movie. I knew that scene was coming up
and I'm like, oh, I can't wait to see him Stew in this.
Dan, how about you? My hook.

(01:14:13):
Is for a security guard's death.That death mask is terrifying.
Definitely getting Saw vibes from it.
Yeah, that's true. I just think they would be like
the absolute worst thing to everhappen to somebody.
Like I only think I'd wish that on my own worst enemy.
I appreciate the fact that, likethey opted not to go full gore
on it. And I think having that insane

(01:14:33):
close shot, I was talking about this earlier bearing down.
I'm just like screaming in my own seat watching that like as
The thing is just coming bearingdown on his face.
It's just such a cool scene line.
Back in summer 82 I traded a mint condition Cal Ripken Junior
rookie card for a used copy of Missile Command.

(01:14:54):
That card's probably worth 800 bucks.
Now I wish I could. Participate in that memory and
actively kick my own ass. Actively kick my own ass that.
Was a good line. Yeah, for sure.
I forgot about that. Right in the beginning.
Talk about the dream theory bookStinker.
I have the hand coming out of the mouth and pulling Max into
Freddie's mouth. Yeah, that's true.

(01:15:14):
Yeah, it was like a haunted. I didn't know that those haunted
kids could. Do yeah well, like I feel like
it cheapened it like I would have loved it if the bear just
bitter face yeah and just kept the illusion of the ghosts in
the machine type thing. The kids remains being in the
bodies is creepy, but showing itto me kind of like diminishes it
a bit of that like aura that creepy aura, that supernatural

(01:15:35):
element. So like, to me, that's my
stinker. Bear claw.
So my favorite hook was Matthew Lillard's death at the end
there. I thought that was kind of cool.
Where? Dead.
Well, is he dead? Well, either those spring things
I thought were pretty gnarly andI was very fascinated by those.
I think those were fantastic because those looked menacing
and like imagine having to wear that thing with like those just

(01:15:57):
resting on you. Like, oh, nothing will ever
happen there. Clink, clink, clink, clink.
Like, yeah, that was pretty gnarly.
And they showed them like driving into his stomach, which
I thought was really cool. His physical death at least I
thought was was good on that one.
I've got 2 lines. One is Matthew Willard's line
and just because I've seen it used so hilariously in a bunch

(01:16:17):
of different memes, I didn't even know it was from this movie
until I heard it and I was like,there it is that one meme that's
used from Hollywood where he's he like points at the TV like,
Oh yeah, that no, just recognizing something.
It's I'm going to be brutally honest with you here, Mike,
giving your track record, your options are going to be
extremely limited. Extremely limited.
I've just seen that Matthew Willard line used in a lot of

(01:16:38):
different memes and it's funny every time.
And then one thing I picked up on this movie, and I'm going to
go ahead and apologize to Logan,but it seems like a very Gen.
Z kind of thing is, is the constant mention of whenever a
job's being described as like, that's two things.
And when he goes and you only have to worry about one thing,
keeping people out and and you know, and keep the place tidy.

(01:16:58):
That's two things. No, that's two things.
And then the daughter says it again to him.
Yeah, they. Had one job.
Yeah, one job and he's like, no,that's two things.
That seems like a very response of his generation.
And no offense, the stinker for me was just I think this movie
was made for hardcore fans and Ithink hardcore fans are probably
gonna really enjoy it. I don't know.

(01:17:20):
I think that limits its potential a little bit.
So that's my stinker of. It my hook.
I have Aunt Jane. Screw that bitch Wine I.
Just realized. I shouldn't be hearing any of
this. I shouldn't be hearing any of
this when the lawyer lawyer him immediately going to leave.
My second line is the one that Bear called touched on.

(01:17:41):
You had one job. You had one job.
One. Keep him in the dark.
And Kill movie got too close. That's two jobs.
That's two. I love it.
And my stinker is the Fort building that shit.
Sucked and the honorable mentions.
I got a pair of lines, Abby. He looks so angry.

(01:18:02):
Does everyone always look at youthat way?
Why does everyone look at you like that?
Oh yeah, that was a heartbreaker, man.
And. Then Vanessa.
Mike didn't tell me he had a daughter.
Gross. Abby gross bitch fucking dad,
get out of. Here, right matter of fact, kids
are always so honest. Oh yeah.

(01:18:22):
How like blunt she is is funny. That that's how all the kids
are. Yeah, it's time for our final
rating. The movie.
The killer is great, the victim sucks, the survivor is in
between. What was that?

(01:18:45):
If this is your first time listening?
We have a three tier rating system.
Killer is the best, Survivor is our middle tier.
And finally, the dreaded victim for me, and this is kind of a
weird movie for me because I feel like more watches on this.
I could go either way. I could go victim or I could go

(01:19:05):
killer. Like maybe it just clicks with
me. But for right now, it's a
survivor. I don't think this is a bad
movie at all. There's a lot to like here, but
again, as a general movie going person, it's a lot and I don't
think that they do a good job ofmaking this, like Bear Claw
said, tight and have a real concept of let's stick to this

(01:19:27):
one idea and go with it. It seems like there's a lot of
ideas and they're all coming together at Freddy's and you
know, I just want to sit and eatpizza and watch this, but it's a
lot to think about and it's not always a bad thing, but I just
think that for me, it's just notfor me.
I really did have high hopes, especially seeing some of the

(01:19:47):
video game stuff. I was thinking we would get
something a little bit more scary and more animatronics
killing people, but it turned out to be a little bit more
dream scenario and I'm not sure how to feel about that.
But for right now, it's a survivor for me.
Dan, how about you? It's.
Certain sound farting. Did you just come?

(01:20:11):
Did you just come? That's it.
Blazer, Blazer, my boy. All right, I am giving Five
Nights at Freddy's. Man, this is tough.
Killer. I had a tough time with this

(01:20:31):
too. I literally have a note that
says nice edge between two ratings.
I'm gonna stick with my original, what I have down here.
I'm giving it a killer. I like it, giving it a killer
because it has me wanting more. It has me looking forward to
seeing how the stories develop further.
There are unresolved loose ends that need to be explored, like
where's Garrett? Is he an animatronic?

(01:20:53):
Is he alive? Is he dead?
What happened to William Afton? Will Vanessa make it from her
injury? And where does her relationship
with Mike and Abby go from here?Next time on General Hospital.
Do you think you're going to getinto like the games and like the
lore of the games? I've been looking at the lore of
I'm not going to get into the game.
Probably not kind of play them, but I've been like looking at
the lures since we've been talking about it and the fact

(01:21:14):
that the sequel is coming up in like a couple months.
Like I'm pretty excited to to see it.
Where, where are we going to go with the Animatrons to like what
are what's going to happen with them?
What's going to happen with Afton?
I love Jim Henson's Muppet Workshop thing, like bonus
points for that. I can't knock their work.
They think they did a great job with these characters.

(01:21:35):
I like the two main characters, Mike and Abby.
I think they're easy to root for.
I've been invested in their character progression.
I think it's a great rewatch forfans of the games and gets got
great like Easter eggs if you'reinto that.
For rewatching, I don't know if me personally, I would find this
movie in my rotation on a consistent basis.

(01:21:56):
I'm just more in it for like theexploration of the lore.
It literally feels kind of like watching a YouTube lore video
for like 8 hours but they're gonna make it a movie instead.
Yeah, it's like they're taking that format and cinematizing it.
Yeah, I see that a lot. Yeah, Bear claw.
I don't know, it's the knife. Bear Claw.

(01:22:17):
The knife's edge was not killer,was not not in the equation for
me. I don't think it does really
anything well, to be honest. I mean, besides the
animatronics. I think that this and I don't
want to rain on anybody's parade.
I think if there was a Five Nights at Freddy's fan, I would
tell them this is a must watch. I think they would get a lot of
out of it. But if I was at a horror con and

(01:22:38):
somebody said they really enjoyed horror movies, I don't
think this would even come up inthe conversation.
And that's why for me, it was a victim.
I was kind of between survivor and victim.
But to be honest with you, if you had never heard of Five
Nights at Freddy's and you watched this movie and you
hadn't seen any of the lore videos or anything like that, I
feel like you'd come away from it being like, OK, that was a

(01:23:02):
thing that I saw. Like, I just don't think it
stands on its own. Again, if you're Five Nights at
Freddy's fan, I think this is probably a must watch for you.
And you know, there are things that I lore that I am deep into,
like the alien lore or any, or something like that, that
somebody would watch some of that stuff and be like, this is
stupid. But I would watch it and be
like, no, tell me what happened in Prometheus, like like that

(01:23:24):
kind of stuff. So for that, I think I'd give it
a victim only because I, I don'treally want to rewatch it.
I saw the lore video, there's some of the war videos, I just
really didn't strike any chords for me.
I think I missed the train on this one.
So it's victim. Logan hands are going up.
This is not cinema. Cinema, this is not.
Cinema Killer. I love this movie.

(01:23:47):
I think it's so interesting. I cannot fathom how much I was
waiting to see this movie again because I just really love this
element of animatronic horror and I love how it's portrayed.
I love a video game being turnedinto a movie and I love that
it's a horror video game. I think I was really excited for

(01:24:08):
this as well as like another movie like Until Dawn, because I
think the video game horror community as well as like the
games that they make are so interesting.
I think they could be turned into movies and I think that
they did a great job with this. The animatronics presentation
alone is so good. I think the characters are
really well backed up. Now, I will say there are
certain moments of this movie where I did question a lot of

(01:24:30):
the stuff, but I like that it makes me question it because I
don't like getting all the answers.
Sometimes it's OK to not get theanswers to everything and I'm OK
living in a world of mystery. I am fine with getting another
movie because I'm interested in seeing another.
And I think just from us talkingfor basically like most of this
podcast about us wanting to see the sequel, like what's next and

(01:24:53):
what what are we going to do else with this?
I think that's why I think this movie is set up for success,
because it makes you want more and 300 million dollars.
I mean, there's a reason for that.
It's a well built community witha movie that is really well
shined through that lens of familiarity, but also giving you
a different sense, like a deviation from the war that

(01:25:14):
we're given. Even though I will say the
director did not make this movieout to be a Five Nights at
Freddy's movie, I think that's why I like it because there's
more potential with it than justa cut and dry animatronic
killing spree. I didn't want that.
I wanted more out of this and I like psychological movies.
So I think this is what is really working for me and I'm
really excited to see what else Five Nights at Freddy's has in

(01:25:37):
store for the future. If it is a anthology series or
if it is a movie, I think we gotto ask our fans to e-mail Bear
Claw at the pad room@outlook.com.
I think you need to e-mail Loganon this one.
No, I think we need, I think we need to.
I think we need to torture Bear a little bit more.
He's he's he needs a little bit more to sauce.
We need to show Bear Claw what he's missing.

(01:25:59):
Oh man. Well Nathan, our producer gave
his rating and he said when I imagine a horror movie made for
children in the age group that Five Nights at Freddy's appeals
to, I imagine a fun action unpacked romp with a healthy
amount of comedy. So why is this a 2 hour long
somber character study of a boring protagonist and his

(01:26:20):
annoying little? Sister Nathan.
Nathan. That's another reason why I gave
it a killer, because I love how much Nathan hated it.
Screw you. We also asked you, our audience,
what your thoughts. Was his final rating.
He hated it. Dude on his letterbox he said.

(01:26:41):
What was that I? Oh, he said.
When he saw Matt Pat in the in the in the movie, he threw up in
his mouth a little bit. Oh, man, oh, man.
What's? The theory.
That's exactly what it was. He was like, oh.
We also asked you, our audience,what your thoughts were on Five
Nights at Freddy's from Out of the Darkness Productions.

(01:27:04):
My son loved this movie. I thought it was OK, but I will
say that I absolutely love the animatronic effects in this
movie. I'm a big sucker for things done
practically so in the aspect I loved what they did from modern
Monstrous. It's a fun movie but not one
that I would rewatch. I really only know the lore from
the first game that I watched. Mark Markiplier four and the

(01:27:28):
main draw for me in this was Matthew Lillard and Pita laugh
out loud. It's more.
It's more of a kids movie in my opinion, but it's got some good
scary moments and is a solid survivor.
OK from KL45678. I had fun watching this.

(01:27:52):
I only had peripheral knowledge of the game but I don't think it
made it less enjoyable and I wasimpressed by the things they
added for fans when I found out about them.
Some great songs in it. Yay for Elastica.
I love the cupcake too. Probably a survivor for me.
Everyone's a fan of Mr. Cupcake.Natalie under score may under

(01:28:13):
score I have a lot of feelings on this one.
I never played the games so I'm sure I missed many of the Easter
eggs etcetera, but it felt like they couldn't quite land on who
the audience was. It holds back on kills and has a
very why a feel, but then has some very dark secrets that are
pretty heavy. I wasn't a fan of the main
character and his story at all. This movie is a victim for me.

(01:28:36):
I did like two things. Creature design, sound design
for the creatures, and of courseMatthew Lillard who is
underutilized. I would agree with that.
Yeah, Matthew Lillard is really underutilized.
I'd watch Matthew Lillard for anhour and a half.
I think we all would. From 321 Ghost Pod Isn't
everyone afraid of animatronics for children?

(01:28:58):
I think I'm afraid of anything with animatronics or children.
From dissect that film pod, it'sa fine and fun movie.
It plays it safe with the kills and doesn't play well into the
lore of the games. The main plot should have been
the main character's journey through his work week at the
pizzeria, but instead we get something totally different,
which in the end doesn't play well into the core story of a

(01:29:20):
pizzeria controlled by evil animatronics.
Thank you all so much for your comments.
We really love hearing what you have to say and it's so awesome.
We got a lot of people rating this with our rating system.
Yeah, always give your rating. We got three ratings and and we
did it that way by design. You got to make a choice.
There's choices. That's right, life is 4 choices,
including ones that wage you to Five Nights at Freddy's and have

(01:29:44):
you fight animatronics. And if you're interested in
commenting on any of the movies we review, go to our Instagram
page at mouse dot of dot Madnessor write to us at the padded
room@outlook.com and we'll read them off on our next episode.
Before we end the episode, we want to embrace the madness and
let you all know what we've beenup to.

(01:30:04):
For me, we have a cool episode coming up in a little bit from
now called Secret Madness, whereeach of us gets to pick three
random movies and write them in a hat and we pick out one and
choose that for our episode. And I was doing some early
planning because I I want to pick some three good ones for.
Like Santa Claus? Right.

(01:30:25):
And one of the ones I had kind of thought about maybe putting
in there was this old Hulk Hoganmovie called Suburban Commando.
Oh. I.
Tell you something about Hulk Hogan?
Yeah. Let me tell you, I've got I'm
deep in the Suburban Commando. That was one of my favorite
movies. As a cast, yeah.
I love that movie. Have you seen it in a while?

(01:30:46):
I have not seen it in a long time, but I watched it many
times. Doesn't hold up on, let me tell
you. Something brother, I'm glad I
watched this in advance because it wouldn't have been a good
secret. Madness.
Now that you say that, we shouldput it in secret madness,
because I think that's what. There is very I mean.
Not really any horror. Yeah, I was thinking of like a

(01:31:08):
sci-fi element. You know, sci-fi.
Or what a suitor there turns into a pretty gnarly Yeah right
there's I even remember the villains name.
Yeah, Suitor. Holy shit.
Let me tell you something I forgot about this movie is the
music. Do you remember the music at
all? Oh, not really, no.
Dude the music is like Looney Tunes ass.

(01:31:31):
I don't know, man, you're reallyselling this movie for me, you
know? He does.
He does drink antifreeze. Antifreeze.
Brother, he does send the undertaker like they go up like
on a rocket through like severalfailures.
Jet packs. Them up.
Like and Oh my God. You guys never speak.

(01:31:51):
Yeah, because the Undertaker as a kids voice.
Oh man, maybe I will put this in.
Dude, you're really selling it for me.
Great. Movie got Christopher Lloyd.
Yeah. What's your name from The
Shining too? Shelly Duvall?
Yeah. Oh my God.

(01:32:12):
Well, if you haven't, go watch it and let me know what your
thoughts are. It's definitely an interesting
movie. Dan, how about you?
I don't. Really have much?
I recently rewatched Super 8. I never saw the movie.
Never saw super 8. It's AJJ Abrams movie.
Basically it's about this alien gets captured on Earth and the

(01:32:34):
military holds him captive and. Oh no, I've seen ET.
Yeah. And they, one of the scientists,
guys who worked for the militarybusts him out and like, it
happens in like this small town and there's like.
Ride over the boom, the bikes. These kids that like are into
like making movies and everything and they actually end

(01:32:54):
up catching the train crash on their Super 8 video.
And so it's like this. It's almost like this action
adventure. What does it take place in like
the 60s or in the? 80s.
In the 80s. Oh well, I know that sounds
awesome. Pretty cool.
It is it's it reminds me, it's like a sci-fi version of the
Goonies. Oh.
All right, you got me sold. On that guys.

(01:33:15):
Definitely check it out though, it's a.
No, that does sound cool. Fun one, awesome bear claw.
How about you? I'm in real deep in alien earth.
Yeah, let me tell you that is that's that's a show that's a
great show. Timmy Philly olefant playing
synthetic. I don't know, just some real
growing of the alien lore. I'm a huge alien fan.
I love even the the bad movies in that.
So I mean it was really cool. I really enjoyed that.

(01:33:38):
But I mean, that's also got me on this weird, like Blade Runner
kick, Blade Runner, the cut, forthose of you who know, you know,
you know, I've been watching a lot of philosophy videos on
that. I've rewatched that a couple
times. That's probably one of my
favorite movies of all time. I read the book.
I've read the book. Yeah.
Big Philip K Dick fan, too. The book is not as good as the
movie, if you ask me. But yeah.
So I've been kind of living in that world, which I don't know

(01:34:00):
if Blade Runner would be. It has horror elements to it.
The horror of slavery would kindof be, I think, one of the major
themes of that movie. But.
Vito in 2049 would be enough horror for May.
Yeah, Jared, I, I wasn't, I, I still, I still need to really
sit down and watch 2049. I've yet to be able to do it
without falling asleep, but. Oh come on, that movie's

(01:34:22):
awesome. No, I think it is awesome, I
just haven't been able to do it.Without Ryan Gosling, yeah.
Yeah, I like that dude. Ryan Gosling might be and.
Everybody loves that and I, I think I should love it and I
just, I don't know whether I just haven't seen it all the way
through or given it it's. So good.
Ryan Gosling, Harrison Ford, AniDe Armas, OH.
It's just something so I. I know that's what and I love

(01:34:45):
the best thing about the movie is the cinematography.
Yeah, I love the cinematography and I love the aspect.
I just love it. All I need I need to give it
another watch but so good. Blade Runner and Alien kind of
in my mind happened in a very similar universe.
All right, Logan. Dude, Ryan Gosling, I think, you
know, I'm so excited. He's got 2 movies coming out

(01:35:07):
soon. He's got Project Hail Mary,
which is a great book that I read and that's coming out.
And then he's got Starfighter, which is the next Star Wars
movie. So he's got two big projects for
me. He's a top runner, Ryan.
Gosling's gonna be a Star Wars movie.
Yeah, it's gonna be based five years after the last one came
out, so like that would be afterthe Ray story.

(01:35:28):
It's gonna be set in like a present kind of Star Wars
instead of going back to like a prequel, which I'm thankful for.
So like is this gonna be like a whole nother like chapter of
story? I think it's only gonna be a one
off, one off. They could do a sequel, but I
don't see them doing that far asstuff that I watch.
I sat down and put myself in another world.

(01:35:49):
You know, we, we watched it recently.
I, I said my take on how bad it was.
But you know what? It was time to go back and see
what else Damian was. Is that his name?
Damian. Damian Lyon.
See what else he was cooking. So I sat down and watched
Tearful Fire 3 and what a trip that was.
I will say it's the best out of the three because of the kills

(01:36:10):
and it was very interesting. But it was still a Terrifier
movie and I hate Terrifier. I can't.
I can't stand Art the Clown, butat least he was a little bit
better this movie. Yeah, I thought it was the best
one too. Same.
Yeah. And another movie that I got the
chance of seeing because it was put on Netflix the other day, 28
years later. Oh, what do you think of that?

(01:36:32):
I loved it. I loved it.
I loved it. I loved it.
I think it's so. Different.
Right. I think it might be in my top
five of the year this year. I think so.
I think it's a top. I haven't seen it.
I don't know. I haven't deliberately.
I'm going to watch it. I've just been deliberately not
seeing anything about it. I.
Love it because it's like being back home and in in a weird way,

(01:36:55):
like you're not supposed to be happy about being back, but it's
like you're kind of interested in seeing where else they can go
with it and they take in a wholewhile like direction.
I think it's so interesting. The cast itself is really cool.
I think they cast it like a verystrange huge.
Ralph fines fans. Yeah, I think like Aaron Taylor

(01:37:17):
Johnson for me was a real reasonwhy I wanted to see this,
because I think he was so interesting in Bullet Train and
a couple other big movies. Wasn't he like the soldier?
He was the father there, that hewas like the main character.
Oh, really? Yeah.
He was also in a Craven The Hunter, but that wasn't very
well received. The last thing I do want to
touch on, I did end up getting absolute Batman, the comic book

(01:37:39):
I've been very excited to read for months now.
This might be the best Batman comic I have ever read.
It is is so well done. It is a complete alternate
universe of Batman if the guy wasn't rich.
And I think it's so interesting to see a completely different
Batman with completely differentcharacters, terrifying villains,

(01:38:02):
terrifying villains. Yeah, they're like real messed
up. They're.
Messed up, they're terrifying, they're awful, and I love it so.
Much isn't Part of the thread with that too, is that they're
like terrifying and awful and it's a result of Bruce Wayne's
actions. It's a result of a different
timeline because the first comicbasically delves into like

(01:38:22):
Batman is kind of like again, I like when he's The Lone Ranger
and he's not really teaming up with anybody.
He's like his own guy. And now that he doesn't have any
real friends or anything, he's doing it all alone.
But like the villains are bad. Death Black Mask is the main
villain of it, who is like a very different characters start
out like usually you would thinklike a Joker, like a Riddler

(01:38:44):
would be the villain. No, they change it a lot.
So it's really good. I give that a solid
recommendation. It's really strong.
Definitely have to give this to read.
Yeah, it looks cool. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know, It always struck me as kind of Batman
being like super wealthy as a real, like, you know, everybody
in Gotham City is like dirt poor.
And then there's one guy rollingaround in like a custom car.

(01:39:07):
It's kind of like. But that's why I like it.
There's only so many guys that could be like, shut up, it's
Wayne. We all know it's Wayne.
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let him know if you're looking forward to Five Nights at

(01:39:50):
Freddy's 2. Yeah, let me know if there are
any animatronic animals chasing you or if you have any
terrifying dreams about Chuck E Cheeses, like I think we all do
at some point, if you ever went to that.
Fine establishment. Well, that does it for a review
on five nights at Freddy's We'llbe back soon with another
episode and we're going to be reviewing my pic.
Halloween 5 The revenge of Michael Myers No Michael, no

(01:40:16):
cookie woman, cookie woman a bigwoman cookie woman.
Join us as Matt tober 2025 continues.
But until then, back to the waita minute, do you guys hear that?
Ohh. My God, did you guys bring
another person into mine? No, I think it's Oh my God, I

(01:40:37):
think it's those animatronics. Ohh, they're alive.
Hang on guys, I got something. Let me go in the backroom and
handle this. You guys got this for a second,
right? Quick, quick, grab the coins.
OK here we go. I got my Iron Man suit.
I'm all built and ready to go. You better not F with me it

(01:40:57):
looks. Like a chick.
Wait a minute, what was that sound?
Did you guys hear that? Oh God, oh God, oh God.
Run. Run.
Not going the way it went. Oh my goodness.
This is not going the way it wasplanned.
Let's. Go back to the batting room with
you.

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