46. Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers

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So you are a ransom now. You don't know what that is.

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Welcome. Hello.
Thank you very soon for that introduction.
We are the Mouths of Madness, your new favorite podcast for
horror movie reviews. We're coming to you live tonight
from the Tower Farm here in Haddonfield, Illinois.
This is our episode 46 on the 1989 Halloween 5, The Revenge of

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Michael Myers. My name is Kevin and let me go
around and introduce you to the other members of Madness.
First we have Dan. Dan, how are you liking the
Halloween party here? Dude, this Halloween part for
for it being out in the fucking nowhere.
Like it's really popping off outhere.
I'm just, I'm surprised by the production quality of this
party. It's it's like nothing I've ever
seen. Yeah, yeah, I know.

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Look at Logan. He's getting down with it.
Dance, Logan. Dance.
Next we have the mayor of Halloween Town.
It's Wait a minute. Have you guys seen Bear Claw?
Is he lost in the party here? Not again.
Call the Madness mobile. Oh my goodness.
Madness. Hey guys, I don't know where
this thing is happening. I'm in the middle of nowhere.
Here. There's just like a, a building

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here and I, I don't know where Iam.
I mean, the building has, has a large woman on it like that.
That's what I can. Bear Claw, I was going to ask,
where are you? Are you at the VIP Club?
Yeah, can you pick up some cropsless panties while you're there?
No, guys, it's not, it's not that kind of place.
It's just got, it's got a maybe I'm not getting through.
It's got a large woman on it. So you're you're at a strip

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club, no. No, no.
Cookie Champagne. Rookie cookie woman.
Champagne. Room Cookie woman.
Oh, that's Dale's gas station. Right, right.
We got to take the next left Fairclaw, OH.
OK, guys, I'll be right there. All right, and finally, we have
the youngest member of Madness, my son Logan.
Logan, how's the party going? It's going pretty good.

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You know, I'm having a lot of fun.
Except for the fact that I heardBilly's somewhere around here.
Yeah, I saw him. He's dressed as a pirate.
Yeah, well, that Billy's about to get some hunger.
All right. Form of my fist if he goes.
Wait, am I allowed to punge again?
Oh. My goodness.
I think it's a. Little bit out.

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We here at The Mouths of Man do not condone child abuse.
Oh, man, yeah. I saw Billy's following you
around. You had to get away from him for
a little. Well, Billy can be a little much
sometimes. I I don't like that kid it.
Takes him a while to express himself and I think you just
need to be a little more patient.

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Right, he's at a loss for work. Sometimes love.
He says a little too much if he catch my drift.
Oh, bear claw. Oh, hey, yeah, no, this party
looks awesome. I'm sorry, I missed the first
bit of it, but did you guys see that there's some dude looks
like he's dressed. He looked like he had a William
Shatner mask that was painted white, but it looked a little
bit more Roman this time around.I I don't know.

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He was out there wandering around by the barn.
Yeah, I saw that dude. He seemed pretty chill.
I. Don't know, he didn't seem that
chill. Bear Claw, we have the cops
here. They can.
They can handle it, right? OK.
All right. As long as you guys are OK,
well, they're. Good at their job, they
understand what they're perfectly keep.
Oh, wait a minute, you hear those screams?
Sounds like it came from that Barney you're just talking
about. You know what?

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Who gives a shit? Tim Capello's about to be on.
Who cares about those screams? I know we got to get we got to
get this episode going before Tim hits their stage.
Yeah, there are a lot of other great horror movie podcasts out
there, but what separates us from the other ones is that
we're going to be giving you theolder versus younger generation
perspective. Myself, Dan and Bear Claw were

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all born in the 1980s, while my son Logan was born in the 2000s.
So this is the clash of the generations.
Without any further ado, grab your pitchfork, pull up in your
Camaro, hold on to your cookie woman tight, and let's dive into
the madness. We watched Halloween 5, The

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Revenge of Michael Myers from 1989.
It was directed by Dominique, Owen, Thard, Gerard, whatever.
Good enough, Yeah. Close enough.
It was also written by Dominique, Michael Jacobs and
Shem Bitterman. What the hell are these names?
Dominique was a French director referred to Mustufa Akkad by

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Deborah Hill, who was famously the one of the producers on the
original Halloween. Dominique came pretty highly
regarded. What the fuck, Deborah?
What the fuck? What did you do?
What did you do? Yeah, the first thing he did was
throw out the original script. Yeah, I heard that.
That may have been a mistake. They massacred my boy, man.
He was in Mustafa's office, right?

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And he grabbed the script and threw it in the garbage.
Oh for real, You aren't even. Thing he did and they had like a
week to rewrite the whole movie.Yeah, and production actually
started on this without a full script.
Yeah, they couldn't. They couldn't.
Just Frenchman. Think he is.
That's why I don't. Makes a lot of sense.
And who do? They think they are Friday the
13th. Yeah, a lot of late nights and

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like ponies I'm. Sure.
Casting wise, there were a lot of drugs.
Casting wise, we had Donald Pleasants returning in the role
of Sam Loomis. We had Danielle Harris returning
and the role of Jamie Lloyd, whowe met at Silver Scream Con.
Yeah, we also have Ellie Cornellreturning as Rachel Carruthers.

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Returning is quite a word to say.
Briefly, Wendy Kaplan as Tina rather just not ever, and Don
Shanks as Michael Myers and the man in black.
Oh OK. What's kind of cool on this is
George Wilbur, who played Michael Myers in Halloween 4
didn't come back for this movie but he was seen in the beginning

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scenes and does come back to reprise Michael in Halloween 6.
So technically he was in 4-5 andsix as Michael Myers.
Is that the most? I don't know.
It's been dressed. It's.
Necessarily be proud of that, but OK.
No, James Shute, Courtney did Michael Myers in the new movies.
Yeah, but they're they're all three.

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They're tied with three apiece. Yeah.
But I would say probably James Shute gets the credit there
because he was actually, he threw out.
Yeah, all three. Val, was he Halloween nights?
Yeah, Halloween nights he wasn'tin.
He was in the sewer hanging out.But he's on standby.
So which one of the masks in thecase there are from 5?

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I don't have 5, I have 6 and yeah, you have 4.
I don't have 4, I only have one and.
He only has the good ones, Logan.
Only four is one of the good ones, no?
1 is. Not Oh man, we'll get into the
mask. A little bit more.
As we get into this episode, Halloween 5 had a budget of $5.5
million. Do you know how it totally?

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Got it. Oh my God, Logan thinks it's a
lot. Dude I thought it was like 500
games. I.
Got to imagine that the cocaine budget was 2 million of them.
Yeah. Do you know how much you made at
the box office? This was a big movie, I think,
and it's time. I'm going, I'm going.
It made 35,000,000 shit. Well, here's the thing, 5

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million was the budget. They'd at least make more than
that to get another one. So I'm going to go with a nice
cumbersome 8 million. So I can't imagine this movie
made a lot of money, consideringit took six years for the next
one to come back. Shit.
Yeah. So I'm gonna go 7.5 million.
Logan's the closest it made $11.6 million.

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Shit. That's crazy.
I changed my. Wow 11,000,000 you should have
stuck with your guns Dan you would showcases man.
You could have had the jet ski and.
And and the trip to. Florida a little bit more than
me. Yeah.
So this is actually the least amount a Halloween movie has
ever made. Good.

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This movie. Is shit.
I'm not surprised by that. It's shit, but what did Rotten
Tomatoes think? Currently on Rotten Tomatoes.
What did? Rotten Tomatoes Think.
Oh, I can tell you Halloween 5 has a 11% critics score sick and
a 36% audience score. Now here's the question.
What did Roger? Eva.

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Roger, Eva. Oh my God.
My God. This movie give.
It to us, this movie did not appear on Roger Ebert's radio.
Come on. He didn't even review it.
Oh. Roger Ebert.
He's son. Of a bitch and I don't know, I
feel a lot of people saw cheating worth a lot.
Given this four stars, this feels like the kind of movie
Ebert would like. He would say something different

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in a modern take. He hated pretty much every
movie. We liked, did we?
We didn't talk about Ebert when we first did these movies.
No any of them that he liked. Yeah, I mean, we, we should go
back. We we kind of started this past
season really talking about Ebert.
Yeah. And admittedly, I kind of got
the idea from our good buddies. We thought this was good

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podcast. They would always try to mention
like his reviews of the movies they watched.
Terrible. Take yeah and they would shit on
him like we do all the time. So I don't know.
I think I respect them more and more for not reviewing Halloween
five. Well, this was my pick for an
episode. So the reason why I chose
Halloween 5 the Michael Myers for Austria view is to torture

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Logan. I was.
Just. About to say it's because you
love it so much and I hate it. So no.
I mean honestly, two years ago we had our first episode and it
was the full Halloween series ranking.
It was kind of a big deal. Like it was our first podcast
and the Halloween series is my favorite series of horror like I

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do. Love it.
Watch every one of them. All 13.
Yes, in about a week. You know, since then, I'd always
kind of planned on doing like a separate episode for Halloween,
one of the Halloween movies, because I do, like I said, love
them so much. Like Resurrection.
Except for Resurrection. No, I thought like during our

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ranking, Halloween 5 kind of hadthe most back and forth a little
bit on it. You know, there was things.
There's a lot to that movie. Yeah, I.
Could. Say that.
And we had the most fun and thinking like say.
That like what? Would be the fun in choosing
Halloween 1978, you know? Like, yeah, I don't know.

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We enjoy watching. We enjoy.
Why you? Why you have the good one, but
you can have the shitty one. Oh, I mean, in all fairness, 5
is not, in my opinion, the worstone.
It's like that mean that. Goes, can we go see Halloween?
We have Halloween at home and it's Halloween 50.

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So Berkel, I'm glad you brought that up.
I went through our first episoderecently.
I brought my nose. Oh, he brought his my ranking.
Flashback Vietnam Flashback so. Digital.
So just as a preview, and you can go listen to our episode 1,
It's a 2 parter right now. And then come back or finish our
review and then go listen to it.But Logan had Halloween 5 as his

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least favorite. It was #13 with a bang.
Dan was next, and he had Halloween 5 as his number 12.
Well, OK. And this is out of 13.
Bear Claw followed, but he had it down at #8 Yeah, well,
freaking high. Way too high.
What did you? I had it number six.

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It shouldn't even reach 10. Now here's my thing, right?
The single digits? Never.
I've said many times the first Halloween movie I ever saw and
the first horror movie I really watched fully was Halloween 6
and that was in 1990, probably 5or 96 when it first was
released. And then you went and watched
the other ones, huh? Well, so I had to go back right,

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And at the time, the one right before this was Halloween 5.
So I still remember flipping over the box at the video store
and seeing First off the image of the Michael Myers mask and
being like wait a minute that that looks way different.
And also seeing the image of Doctor Loomis on top of Michael
Myers on the ground with a chainon.

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I was like, Oh my God, they killed Loomis in this.
Like I gotta check this out right?
I still remember watching it formy first time and being confused
by a lot of stuff. Like I did not get a lot.
Of confusing movie that landed 13 on my list.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, Halloween 6 is confusing as

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well, but Halloween 5 is very confusing.
But some of the scenes in Halloween Five were like burnt
into my memory, like the. Cookie Woman.
Cookie Woman scene, for instance.
But also like the scenes like inthe daytime where Michael's in
the house and he's stalking Rachel.
And I know we'll get into it, but like, I was scared,
legitimately scared as a kid. This is scary stuff, a little

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bad. And so watching it all those
years ago, it really stuck with me.
And it is one of the movies I got to say overtime, obviously,
like I've liked other ones way more, but it's never a movie
that I like skip if it's on TV or if like I'm doing a full
watch through the series, I never skip it because for all

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the craziness, for all its craziness, there is some good in
there and some entertaining stuff.
So at the end of the day, is this the best Halloween movie?
No. But is it worth your time and
effort? No.
Well, that's what we're going toanswer tonight.
Diving in deep. Right here on the Twilight.
This is the most hated Halloweenfor many reasons up until maybe

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ends, but is it deserved? Let's.
Rank I think I ranked ends rightbefore this 7.
Oh God, that was this that was that was scares me cursed.
Let's let you know our overall thoughts on Halloween 5 The
Revenge of Michael Myers dance start us off.
There's a lot of conflicts with the storylines surrounding Jamie

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Lloyd becoming the Shape. I think creatively they got
trapped by Halloween 4's ending.The whole point was to build a
money making franchise around a horror movie icon, but then
decided at the end of their first of three movies to kill
him off and usher in a new face of evil.
Where was Mustafa Akkad during four trying to rein this idea in

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before it became canonized? He was horseback riding on a
white pony in a beautiful field and he needed money.
So he could keep feeding that pony.
So he could. Keep feeding that.
Pony. If I could describe Halloween 5
in one word or phrase, it would be bemusement.

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The creative choices confuse andfrustrate me while at the same
time I'm very amused by them. To me it doesn't feel like a
Halloween movie. It has none of the charm or
atmosphere of the Carpenter films.
It completely shits on the Carpenters concept for Myers
being this unrelenting force of nature that cannot be reasoned
with or killed. Instead we have a Michael that

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has brief moments of humanity. It's as if there is a man who is
aware of what's happening but isnot in control of his actions.
Revenge. That's a human element.
The name of the movie is Revengeof Michael.
This revenge? No.
There's no revenge. No.
Revenge for what? Exactly.
Getting taken out I guess in thelast one.
It's like so beneath the shape, the shape doesn't have revenge.

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Like what is this horseshoe? That's true revenge on Jamie.
OHK OK. They threw dynamite.
Yeah, they threw dynamite Adamite, Yeah.
They did try, but they. Retconned him.
They retconned all that though. I don't know what he's mad about
or provincial. But got shot a couple times.
The point is like why are we trying to empathize with Michael
Myers, the personification of evil, and more egregiously
having Loomis having this Stockholm syndrome level of

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empathy and understanding of Michael while being an absolute
Dick head to a 10 year old girl?I don't.
Know terrible helping me. Why aren't you helping me,
Jamie? Why are you helping him?
Get away with. This like he's talking about her
being the devil and he's like, yeah.
She can fix the rage, Michael. He's like hammered in this

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movie. I was.
Yeah, he was legit. Not when he was legit drunk.
According to Danielle Harris, I.Believe it, there's just so much
horribly wrong with this movie and it lends credence to
Carpenter's position that Michael Myers is best utilized
in a stand alone format. That is true.
In that book, Taking Shape, theywere very scared because they

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thought that this was what one of the what the screenwriters
said. I forget which one they
interviewed in the book, but theone of the script writers who
had to quickly knock this thing out said that they were very
scared because they thought 4, which was a pretty big hit as I
recall, was too formulaic and too much like the original.
So they tried to get away from that as much as possible.

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And well done to them because they they got away from they got
away from me. They succeeded and every goal.
And you know, to your point, Dan, it was funny that another
thing that they mentioned is is as Dom throughout the script in
front of the original one, in front of Mustafa, he said, do
you want a Halloween 6 or not? So a lot of this was to make

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sure that there is a sequel. And that was a big part of their
writing mentality this movie also suffered from, I don't
know, because Mustafa did kind of come in at the end, and the
changes he made, I think made this movie took it down a few
notches where it could have beensomething really special.
What were some of the changes that he made specifically?

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You remember the firefighter scene in Halloween?
I don't know whether it was onlykills, kills where they kills
all the firefighters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was originally supposed to be the SWAT team at the clinic.
When they were all called over to the clinic.
Michael Myers was supposed to set the the clinic on fire and
then come out and like, like by himself.

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Apparently I don't, I don't know.
They shot it. Yeah, that's what I was gonna
say. Apparently they shot it.
It exists. Like this is the Holy Grail for
Halloween fans of five especially like, where is this
footage? Cuz like, could you imagine
seeing that footage? Cuz yeah, cuz like the right the
whole movie to me it's just so like flat yeah.

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And then like that would have just brought it.
Yeah, there was a couple of onesI don't mention I'll sprinkle
throughout here, but that was the biggest one I think because
that would have really. That would have.
Shown that would have shown Michael Myers to be the monster
that we know he is. And he killed kids and stuff.
Yeah, yeah. He did kill Billy.
Well, we don't know that. Well, apparently he did, though,

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in this this footage. Yeah, they were not going to
show him kill Billy, but he was going to be like brought out and
like. Yeah.
Stretch your job, he. Didn't look like he had a lot of
compunction about trying to killJamie either, but.
You don't seem to care at all. Man.
Yeah, I mean, bear claw, what's your thoughts on this?
Because you had it pretty high up on your ranking like I did.

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I don't hate this movie. Let me be clear.
I think they tried to do something different.
I liked a lot of it. I think they made some poor
choices. I like this movie because it's
compared to six and compared four I thought was a little bit
too white bread. So, you know, I was OK with
them. Trying to switch things up, I
just don't think I agreed with alot of the choices that they

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made. But I still think there's a good
movie here. I still think there's a very
watchable movie. I enjoyed watching it.
I got to be honest with you, coming into this movie after not
having seen 4I, it took me a minute to ground myself.
Because. I was like, who's that again?
And like, you know, I haven't watched the other ones since
last since like we last reviewedlike.
Two years ago. So like, yeah, like 2 years ago.

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So I was kind of sitting there like who's Rachel again and like
and trying to think it through. But once I put all the pieces
together and cuz it almost felt like the first part of the film
was like apologizing for four insome ways or like trying to
erase 4. Yeah, that's that's how I felt.
I was kind of like OK but like 4.
I remember the ending of four being pretty cool cuz didn't
that little girl kill her stepmom or something like.

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That, but that's something I reckoned in this one as well,
where she didn't kill her, she just.
It's assaulted her. Oh, just stabbed her a bunch.
Of stabbed her a bunch of times.But she lived.
But Tina got stabbed in the Shler and died so.
Yeah. And I actually.
Immortal flesh food. You're in our original episode.
You had some hot takes on 4 because 4 is considered like one

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of the better Halloween movies, but you thought it was very
bland and boring. Yeah, I couldn't get my teeth
into it. I like this better than four, I
think. I haven't rated hot it's one
above 4 because 4 is 9 on my loud because I thought they like
tried to do some interesting things.
I don't agree with what they didin six by any stretch of the
imagination, but you know, I thought they were trying to do
some interesting things. This left me wanting to know

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like who was the man in black? I thought that was a weird
element to enter into and there were some things I really liked
about this movie. I thought the laundry shoot
scene was awesome. The book did a really good job.
By the way, the book I'm referencing, just in case you
guys missed it earlier in the episode taking shape.
If you love Halloween, that bookis a must read.
It's really fantastic. Really some in depth
investigative journalism. They really do a deep, deep dive

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on these movies and you kind of get the story behind the scenes
of how they ended up the way that they were.
And it's not always the fault ofthe people who produced the
movie. Like, for instance, the original
guy who recovered Michael Myers,he was supposed to be this
younger guy. His name was supposed to be
Doctor Death and he was supposedto have all these like occult
things and stuff like that. They actually shot that, took

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down all of the occult stuff andthen just made it some old dude.
They wanted the first kill of the movie to be like a younger
person or something. And that really shocked the
audiences and they and they didn't want it to be that guy.
So they just had him take him out quick as just like some old
guy who was living in the woods and not some like a cult
specialist, some old guy who just takes this bullet riddled

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guy out of the water and tends to him for a reason.
I mean, if he was like for a year, yeah.
If it was like some, you know, voodoo man, that would kind of
make a little bit of sense. But some dude, it doesn't make
a. Don't worry, I got AI got a
conspiracy to share with you a little.
Bit. Of terror.
Yeah, I got a really good conspiracy for this movie, too.
Yeah. And like, you can actually check

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this footage out. This really you can see.
Yeah, yeah, I. Watched it today, yeah.
Well, I didn't see that. I haven't checked that out.
I never, I never tracked down the footage because I thought it
was all lost. But yeah, I mean, I did not
think this was a bad movie. I think it's it's tough.
I've got a lot of takes on like the final girl thing because one
of my biggest criticisms of thismovie is like there wasn't

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really a final girl. And that's kind of one of the
hallmarks of Halloween is, I mean, Tina was kind of the final
girl and she should have been the final.
Jamie was the final. Yeah, that's what I was thinking
too. Jamie was the.
Jamie is the final girl, yeah. Kind of.
I mean, she doesn't really fightMichael Myers though.
She kind of just runs from Michael Myers.
Yeah, every final girl runs awayfrom most of their killers.

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But like, not not Jamie Lee Curtis.
She kind of stood her ground. She you're.
Basically comparing everybody toJamie Lee Curtis.
Jamie Lee Curtis is the final girl.
There is no doubt about that 6 year old girl, but she's a six
year old. But that's.
Exactly why Tina should have lived longer and been protecting
the six year old. Tina did Jack shit against
Michael Myers. Tina, I mean you saved him, but

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like that's what I'm saying and Tina gets so much hate.
I was watching your guys straight jacket talk on Tina
and. Yeah, we'll get into that
because that's something I really wanted to talk about
Tina. Yeah, because.
I don't mind Tina. I actually don't mind Tina
either, but like we'll get into that because that's something I
want to discuss in this. But that's what kind of my take.
Yeah, Logan. Not cinema.

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God this movie has got to be my least favorite horror movie of
all time. Dude, even over what, Dan?
What was that one we watched with Mickey Mouse there?
Yes that we could. That was true.
This is worse. No, no, no.
Then mousetrap. Mousetrap.
This is worse than Mousetrap. This is worse than Morto's hands

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of fate. Manos, Manos.
Don't talk shit about Manos. Hands of Thanos Manos Hands of
Fate is a banger. Banger.
Torgo. Ain't nobody know about no
Torgo, brother. This is worse than Birdemic.
This is the worst tour. Is it worse than This?
Is worse than terrifying? Better watch out.
Yes, this is worse than better. You would rate this because at

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least better watch out had some nuances to it.
This movie basically just went here's shit on a plate.
Eat it. This movie just ridiculously
just made me want to just die. It was like, really?
Damn. Jesus Logan, this movie made me
want. To Die.
This movie made me just not wantto watch any horror movie.
But I mean like. I want to say this, you didn't.

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Find any of the kills good? Like this movie had some good
kills. I don't give a shit about this
movie. This movie made me want to never
watch Halloween again. This killed Michael Myers.
I never took Michael Myers seriously after this movie.
After the crime scene, kind of after him floating down the

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river for no God damn reason. This movie just made Michael
Myers just go like, hey, here's a guy who's funny.
That wasn't the whole thing of Halloween one or two.
He was scary. Halloween 4, he literally hid in
a little girl's room and waited for her.
So this takes like the scarinessaway from my this takes
everything away from all the Halloween.

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Movies. How you take this movie
seriously? And here's the thing, the best
part of Halloween 4, which was the older sister, they're like,
here we go, here's a character that you love, we're going to
kill her off in the 1st 10 minutes and then completely kill
any chances of any other characters that you love.
Nerd. Like, it's just like, OK, here's
a little girl screaming for 20 minutes, and here's a Loomis

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drunk out of his mind. This is the worst Loomis, too.
This is the worst Loomis performance.
Yeah, it is. I don't know. 6 might be.
I like 6-6 might be 6. Loomis was, you know, older and
six might be the worst. I know you say no.
He was in six. Did Donald Pleasant know he was?
In This was the worst Loomis except for one wine that he

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delivered one wine, Everything else was.
Talking about the cooking. No, the line goes.
I mean, I'm going to save that for my line because that's the
only good line in this movie. But like legitimately, there is
nothing good about this movie. That's enough for me to sit here
and like talk about because it'sjust like, it's so bad.
It's so awesome. A little different.

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Yeah, and they. Didn't all land.
Didn't. All they didn't try to do
anything, they just tried to make a movie that's basically
like movie making 101 this. Is like that samurai movie we.
No, because the samurai movie with the.
Masturbation painting. Dan, Dan, I just want to tell
you right now, I gave Blood Beata killer.
You loved Blood Beat and I likedthat movie better than this

(27:43):
shit. Because at least.
That just as incoherent though. I think it made more sense in
this movie then I think blood. Beat had a lot of masturbation.
And you talk about bear call, you talk about the kills.
There's no kill. Blood beat.
That's what they had done. They had gone.
You know, there's a bell curve with drugs and they went over
the bell curve. This movie hit.

(28:04):
Right and cleared it they. Cleared the bell curve and went
right down the and slid down thesnow.
The slope on snow and LSD. And you know what?
You made a good point earlier. You're like, Oh yeah, there's
kills. No, there's no, there's no good
kills. There's no good kill.
I was in this movie. Well, we'll get into a little
bit bad. I want to let the audience know
though. This is the one that you quote

(28:25):
the most from out of all the Halloweens.
It's like quoting shit, you know?
No, it's like, it's like you're making fun of something better
than you. You're mocking it.
Yeah, I'm mocking it more cuz again, the line that I quote all
the time is that rain? Go home.
Michael. Go home.

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Michael. Go home, go home.
He's just like yelling. Like, who are you yelling at?
He's right. In the middle of.
The woods just listen. God, can we?
Talk. About how Michael's in the
fighting Michael Myers for a long time and he's finally he's
coming undone I. Agree with you, Bear Claw.
This is the descent into madness.

(29:06):
The descent. I don't think he's descending.
I think he's truly there. He.
Yelled at him. This is like he's off kilter
because he's like he's seen thisguy take like 100 rounds in
dynamite at this point. Like I honestly think that it's
really just Donald Pleasance being Donald Pleasance and has
nothing to do with Loomis himself.

(29:28):
A little. Pleasant here.
I'm fucking tired of doing thesemovies.
We blown him up. You want me to come back and
like, fuck you? I thought the chain that was
cool. Let's.
Get into this movie a little bitbecause he's going.
Logan's out on it already, Say, Michael Myers hiding in the
woods for 40 minutes. It's so funny to me, even though
no one can see him except for a Loomis.

(29:49):
Now, I, I'm a reasonable man, right?
I No, you're not. Let me start this off.
I'm a. Reasonable man, I real
honorable. I realize there is a lot that is
wrong in this movie. And right away we get something
that's wrong in this movie. We do get the scene at the end
of Halloween 4 right, that leadsus into this.
But then we see Michael taking alog flume down the river to

(30:10):
begin. Yeah, that.
And so why would we see Michael Myers, you know, the shape in a
vulnerable position like this? This is not in like.
Because we're trying to do something different.
Yeah, I guess you're right. But like.
I would think. He would be drowning because the
mask. Legitimately, he almost did
drown. Oh, the guy.

(30:31):
Yeah, Don. Shanks.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because the water was, like, pretty rapid.
And like, you can see he's wearing a vest, but he kept
getting dragged under because of, like, you know, everything
he was wearing. And he couldn't see either
because the mask had silk stockings to black out the eyes.
God damn Frenchman. I mean, right away this is.

(30:52):
I'm like, holy. Shit, there's a lot of like
dangerous shit that went down and because like I going back to
like like your scene about the laundry shoot.
Yeah. I was just catching God, who
does the kill count there? Dead meat.
Dead meat. Yeah, I I kind of checked out
his video there like a little bit and he was saying that the
actual stunt performer had used like a real knife and was

(31:12):
actually like stabbing the shootwhile.
Daniel got hurt. Climbing up it.
Yeah, yeah, she did get hurt. She got caught for legit too,
Yeah. And then like the casket scene
where she's like, gotta get intothis like rickety casket and
there's a bunch of like lit candles.
All everything's like very, veryflammable.
It's funny because like this movie again was made for 5.5

(31:34):
million but they really entrusted Don Shanks who is a
stunt performer who plays Michael Myers to like do all the
stunts. And they did it with Dick
Warlock too, who is our boy. Go.
Yeah, You know, even though I don't think we'll ever cover it
because I, I refuse. Is it in the new 2017 one?
I felt like Bill Skarsgard there.

(31:55):
I felt like he did a pretty goodjob of, like, handling, you
know, because the kids, they're like young kids.
And he's like telling them like ahead of time, This is when I'm
going to jump. This is when I'm going to do
this just to prepare you. And he's like, OK, let's like,
let's try to get you acclimated to the clown costume so that
you're not, like, terrified. Yeah.
And it. Yeah.

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And I think the problem with this movie is it feels like the
girl who did like, it didn't seem to like.
I felt like in that scene where she's in the garbage, I'm like,
dude, she looks actually really terrified of like getting
stabbed. Yeah, yeah.
Because I'm, yeah, it's a real knife getting thrown ahead.
They also mentioned too when Michael Myers slammed the car

(32:40):
into a tree, they shot for like an extra 10 seconds and the guy
was like, that was the longest 10 seconds of my life.
Cars on fire. Cars on fire.
He was inside of it. Actually, they, they didn't pull
him out. Yeah.
Yeah, he got hurt in that scene,but he legit got hurt in The
Donald Pleasant scene or the Loomis scene at the end where

(33:00):
Loomis is swinging the 2 by 4. Who didn't get hurt in this
movie? He broke his nose.
So yeah, like you're saying likethere is a legit $2,000,000 in
hospital bills. There's some legit terror here
going to what Bear Claw said about the original opening with
the voodoo doctor here. Doctor Death, Is that his name?
Yep. Isn't the voodoo doctor in a?

(33:22):
Child's husband? Yeah.
Doctor Death, Yeah. Just could you imagine?
Can you imagine another world where Doctor Death was actually
in this and dies and we could bring him in our hall of slain 2
Doctor? From two different universe, I'm
good, you know, it would be a good team.
He was the. Real doctor we.
Let him fight it out. Michael Myers and Chucky good

(33:43):
for U.S. team up. It'd be like a like.
A it's like a loudmouth and A and like a silent, strong,
silent type. Like fucking Mad Max master
blast, Yeah. It would be like Master Blast,
get him, get him bears fucking that off.
Here's what I think. I think the Voodoo Doctor would
have worked so much better in this it.
Would have made sense. It would have made sense because

(34:05):
he gets the Cult of Thorn tattooon him and that's what was
originally going to happen wherehe would put the Cult of Thorn
on to Michael Myers. So it just appeared.
Yeah, so in this they kept the scene where you see the tattoo,
but they didn't explain how Michael gets the tattoo.
But if you kept Doctor Death in here.

(34:25):
You would have seen that you would.
Have seen the voodoo shit and then it would have been more
explainable and actually carriedon to the 6th one a little bit
better. Now I'm not saying it's great,
but like it would have made moresense I think.
I don't think you could make more sense of this movie, but
like who's this guy? Like Dan, like you said, why did
he keep him alive for a year andhe didn't tell anybody?

(34:46):
He's a man in the. Wood like he's doing that well
off. Again, like going back to Bear.
Sorry, going back to Bear Claw'spoint, he was like, he threw the
the script in the trash. He's like, oh this shit in the
trash. I got a worse idea.
I just don't understand. Like, this is Haddonfield,
Illinois. You know my Come on, you know
Michael Myers. Even if you're a hermit, you

(35:07):
know you've gone into town at least once or twice in your
life. Paper has floated downstream.
And the worst thing I feel like is he keeps him alive for a year
and then the first thing MichaelMyers does is kill.
Him, yeah. This poor hermit good.
You know what he deserved it log.
You don't keep a dude alive and then expect him to be all

(35:27):
thankful. I want to get your thoughts on
we meet Jamie in this and she's in a hospital and she's mute.
What's your thoughts on that, Dan?
Because like. What's she muting for?
She's mute. What's she muting for?
No. Oh, I thought she's you said.
What's she a mutant for? No.
No. Was she muting?
I didn't. I didn't.
Know. Yeah, she talked like, what do
you think of her being mute in four?

(35:48):
In five, Sorry, in this one, I hate it.
Yeah. So it's a waste of I think it's
a waste of her talent to be an honest opinion.
Like what talent? I thought she was a good kid
actor in four and like. I hate kid I.
Must go punch that baby. I don't know, like it just I
feel like it diminished her character.
Yeah, like handicaps her a little bit.

(36:09):
Miracle. I gotta ask you what your
thoughts are, because one of your big pet peeves in the
series was in Halloween 2 and Lori strode not talking very
much, right? So now Jamie's not talking.
In the movie a whole lot either.So, you know, I don't know that
it was a plus or a minus. I mean, I don't know that her
being mute really. Like Hurt this movie.

(36:31):
Like hurt or helped. I don't, I don't know, it kind
of like, obviously she went there's some very traumatic
stuff and like that's a way to communicate that.
So I don't know that I have strong feelings about it either
way. I mean, it kind of creates the
frustration of Doctor Loomis andit kind of makes sense.
So yeah, I'm not opposed to it. You know, like I said, I don't

(36:54):
know that it was entirely needed, but you know, her being
like a chatty 6 year, how old she's supposed to say Jamie's a
nine year old girl. I don't know.
That may have diminished the character, diminished the trauma
a little bit. I don't necessarily think that's
the worst artistic choice they made.
Logan, what's your thoughts? Tina.
Tina, I love it. You have your own name.

(37:21):
God, you whole Cogan asshole. Tina, I hate it.
It's so insensitive. Now, my thing is, I know it's a
different time, but for person that lives in there, the era we
are now, seeing someone impersonating a mute person is
really, really offensive. And it just doesn't, does not

(37:42):
work. Yeah, that just completely
killed the movie. I mean, the movie was already
dead once. He was falling down the river.
But like, I don't know, I just felt like that was just like a
weird thing to do, you know? Why I think they did is because
they're like, Oh yeah, you know,we want her to feel like she is
the new Michael Myers because that was the end of the last
movie. And then they were just like,

(38:03):
you know what, this isn't working.
Let's make her talk. I'm tired of hearing her just
not. And then she just won't shut up
throughout the entirety of the movie.
One of the things like Halloweenfans, and I know Logan, you
don't like fan fiction, but well, one of the fan fiction
things is how would you book herbeing in Halloween 5 going off
of the ending of Halloween 4 andand the the theory is that she

(38:26):
did kill her stepmom like. Just like in the first one, have
her be in the institution back at the same institution Michael
Myers was at. Replaced her with a hotter
actress and then have a hot Michael Myers.
And then you and then, yeah, maybe she's Logan's point.
Like maybe. Do you do a jump into the
future? Somebody please for the wall of

(38:50):
God. Make a Holland.
And then see Michael Myers twistis Jamie Lee Curtis is actually
alive. And then further down the road,
you get the showdown between Jamie Curtis and his daughter
and her daughter. No, you signed me a fan.
Sign me on fiction. There you get.
You say I like it. I wrote I.
Didn't write fan, I wrote cinema.

(39:13):
Fuck your hands up dude. Let's see it.
I, I effing love that idea because I was saying to myself
when this movie happened, I'm like, dude, OK, Because I
remembered Halloween 4 and I'm like, OK, Halloween 4 had me
thinking because I didn't watch Halloween 5 until after
Halloween 4 in our original ranking.
And I've never watched Halloween5 before until that point.

(39:34):
And I never heard anything aboutHalloween 5 and what happened in
Halloween 5. In my mind, I thought that was
going to happen where we were just going to get an older
version of her as like, am I thinking like Michael's dead?
And like Jamie and Jamie, he wasgoing to take over.
And I was going to be fine with that as long as, you know, Oh.
So like, there'd be like a time jump.
Yeah, they could bring Michael Myers back and I'd be fine with

(39:55):
that, but I would want to see them have fun with a little bit
of a female Michael Myers just so I could see.
You know what? We don't have any female killers
as much. We have some, we have some, but
we don't really have like a big bad like, yeah, you're right.
Like a name that can go up against like Jason or Michael.
Why not throw a? Why not throw a hot trick in

(40:15):
there and see? Where we can go?
I don't know, I would have thought if I was writing this.
We're in the fan fiction zone. Yeah, I don't want to be here.
Then I would have it where she killed her mother.
Yeah, she was in a institution of some sort.
And then on Halloween night, sheslips out.
I would still make her mute. She hadn't talked to anybody.

(40:38):
She hadn't done anything good, bad or otherwise.
She just kind of been catatonic.Yeah, she slips out on like
Halloweens Eve or something likethat.
She finds Michael Myers washed up on the side of the river.
He manages to escape. And then all of a sudden pops
back to life and then they go ona killing spree or something.
Together, together, yeah, 'causethat's a popular one that fans

(40:58):
have come up with. Like they would work together as
like. Or he would just kill her right
away. Or.
Something I would rather him just like.
Yeah, just. To show, show the kind of
monster. That he have to show it, but you
can kind of like. Or she's floating down the river
and he's alive somehow. She's like transferred her life,
you know? What?
I'm gonna go into my fan fictioneven though I'm not a I'm not.

(41:21):
A gotta. One of us, one of.
Logan's fan fiction as they're writing this movie, writer,
writer, director and and on top of the God all have massive
heart attacks and movie never gets made The fan fiction no.
You know I'm not a fan of fan. Fiction I'm.
Still going to write this. Dude.
I love when people are like, Oh yeah, I'm not a big fan of fan

(41:43):
fiction, but I write it sometimes.
Like God, you son of a bitch, you're a hypocrite.
No, I I will admit I'm a hypocrite this one time because
I think I have a good idea. How about let's see bear claws
idea when he first had it is, you know, Michael Myers flying
down the river. We have Jamie Lee Curtis or not
Jamie Lee Curtis. I don't know why a picture of
like. And so.

(42:10):
Whatever the little girl's name is, Jamie, Jamie, Jamie, she
finds him and on the bring of the river, the cops and stuff
are like yelling at her, like toget up.
She's like touching the mask. And that's when he pops up.
And that's the title card sequence is in popping up.
And we have a time skip a year later and it's just Michael
Myers, just back to his originalstance.

(42:32):
Loomis is trying to hunt him down.
We have Rachel, who's trying to get revenge on Michael for
killing her sister, taking her life away from her.
We have like, Tina and stuff. Rachel and Tina can be like,
kind of like a duo. Oh.
They could team up against him that.
Would team up against him with Loomis.
I think in this movie I would have had Loomis die that way.

(42:53):
He would. He was supposed to die or I
wouldn't. Have him get killed off in the
1st 20 minutes instead of Rachel.
Oh, that would that would be no,'cause Loomis needs to be here,
'cause Loomis is the big name. Doesn't.
Like Michael Myers like doesn't murder like sustain him?
So maybe she like finds him and she goes uncle uncle and then he
he like springs up and like. Well, I was.
Thinking her or kills her and then he's like alive again kind

(43:16):
of thing or something. Yeah, I was.
Thinking Michael Myers kills Loomis, we have the final 2 Tina
and Rachel or no Tina. Rachel died before and then
Loomis and Michael finish it off.
Michael wins and then that's howthe movie ends is like Michael
wins and then he said. Michael's Revenge.
Michael's six in the sixth one would be like a full like brand

(43:37):
new like kind of just a refresh and five would be like the end
of like the. And if Logan was to type this
up, where would he be posting it?
Kevin, where's the fanfic? Post it right to the Halloween
portal. I think you're going to say
something completion now. It's funny, I like that idea.
What Bear Kolo was saying too with the team up is what I think

(43:58):
about Halloween ends, right? They did it with Halloween Ends,
but I would have rather actuallyseen Jamie in theory.
Like if you're going to do it like because we already have bad
stock in Jamie, I liked. Corey.
Killed. You're right.
I liked Corey Cunningham in thatstory, but like, we only got
that one little movie of it. Like it.

(44:18):
We already had a built in relationship with Jamie so it
would have meant more. Well, I think it's more like
David Gordon Green. I probably did that on purpose
as like fan service for all the the hardcores that like get into
the weeds of this stuff and knowabout all the missing details
from all previous films that woulda coulda shoulda's.
They at least try to pay it forward with these current

(44:40):
films. Yeah.
Do you think Loomis would have died though?
In my movie? I don't think Donald Pleasance
would have allowed Loomis to die.
Well, he was supposed to originally die at the end of
this movie. Did he agree to that though?
And that would technically be the second Loomis.
Some actors I know don't agree with Kill.
The thing about the thing about Donald Pleasance, and it's kind

(45:00):
of ironic. We're recording on his birthday.
Oh, happy birthday, Donald. Yeah.
Is he loved like after the firstone, he really realized he loved
Halloween. Like he didn't want to do the
original Halloween. His daughter had seen Assault on
Precinct 13 and she thought it was like a great movie.
And she was like, you got to work with John Carpenter.
Like he's he's really good. So he took that movie.

(45:24):
Based on his daughter's recommendation.
They had offered the role of Samuel Loomis to Christopher
Lee, which would have been crazy.
So that would have been awesome.Doctor Loomis is Donald
Pleasance and I think like Donald Pleasants really took
that to heart and was like whatever movie they're going to
do. And I think he was quoted on

(45:44):
saying like if they do a Halloween 33, I'm there like I'm
I'm doctor, I'm Doctor Loomis. Something I was I was thinking
about Dan, what you said on yourfan fiction.
I would love to see this nowadays.
What you were saying all of a sudden Danielle Harris as Jamie
breaks out of prison or out of the sanitarium and Lori strode

(46:07):
and her Harris says as yeah, as Jamie Lloyd because all this
time's past. Yeah, they're older.
You know, she could be like the new, maybe a Michael Myers type.
I think I'm done with Jamie Lee Curtis and I think she's done
with Halloween. I think Danielle Harris is done
with Halloween and I'm kind of done with Danielle.
I don't think Danielle Harris isdone with Halloween.

(46:28):
No, I'm done with Danielle Harris.
Well. No.
One cares, we had enough out of her in this.
You need to write a lot more fanfiction before your opinion.
There's a lot of I think, whoa, let's write it, let's write it.
You and me, Father, son, do right.
I think what needs to happen forthe future of Halloween, if

(46:50):
we're going to talk about the future of Halloween, is I think
it's perfectly fine for people. And I'm fine with reboots, I'm
fine with rehash as I'm fine with like how this should have
went like fan fictions. I'm fine with that.
I love that people use their free will to do this kind of
stuff because it's so interesting to write different
endings and different stories and different, like, timelines

(47:11):
that could have happened. I just think that Halloween
needs AI Agree. Halloween does need a little bit
of a help right now. It needs a helping hand.
And I think what would help is just a refresh.
Yeah. Just do it in a different light.
Yeah, for sure. And that's why I was thinking
like maybe dancing. I I I agree.
I'm not a huge like bring Jamie Lee.

(47:32):
Yeah, I don't think anyone needsto be returned.
I gotta be. Honest with you gentlemen, I'm
bringing this shit in the future, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
rewrite these movies in AI and just have it redo them.
All. Oh my God, Nathan, take that
part out. We don't support you guys.
You. Can do the crazy stuff you can
do. You can have actual movie scenes

(47:53):
now and do a different perspective on the movie scene.
Oh, will it be good. And it will like a different
camera shot using a. I brought this up on Straight
Jacket talk on our latest episode, but I've been listening
to this YouTube channel, Mortimer night shade, I believe,
and he does AI with in between Halloween movies and he does

(48:13):
like Doctor Loomis, like tapes and stuff.
And I actually like it. I do like I I do because it's
just for entertainment value. You're not putting it out for
the masses like you're just doing it for entertainment.
Well, you are though, because you're putting it out on.
Listen, I had no way shape or form.
This is just to irk everybody. I, I don't support AI want to be
very clear about that. It's it's, it's a slot, but

(48:37):
still. Let's get back to Halloween 5.
I want to get your thoughts on the new Michael Myers mask and
what. It looked like it was never
fully on the whole time. It was like.
We. Talked about the.
Slaps. For just yeah, we talked about
this. We were talking here comes
Michael Myers. It's so weird.
It looked fine. Back away.

(48:57):
As soon as he came up to the camera, it's like, oh God, your
mask isn't on right? Does anybody does it all rind
you like? He looks like a fish.
Because of the Gill. Like the Gill?
Thing he also looks like his theneck is really long.
Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't look like the iconic
mask. So originally they were gonna
reuse the mask from 4, but it didn't fit Don Shanks right

(49:20):
because he's different than thanGeorge Wilbur.
This mask was famously sculpted by Greg Nicotero of K&B.
So big, big effects guy, but nota fan of the mask.
No, no, I mean it. Was different.
This movie was different. Did you like 4's mask better?
No, I think 4 is my least fair mask out of it.

(49:41):
I don't remember. Four's mask.
How about the third one? 6 was awesome.
I. Like 6 is a good 1-6 is an
underrated mask. Yeah, I think.
I think the worst two are either, well, four or a
resurrection. 5 and H2O. Yeah, H2O takes the cake.
They had two different masks. Yeah, they all, and one looked

(50:03):
worse than the last one was. CGI.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Holy shit. Like that's.
Not good movie but the mask. Halloween 4 is so bad.
You know why? Because I felt like it can't be
taken seriously. That's the only problem.
At least the CGI 1 can be taken a little more seriously than
Halloween 4. Going off of what Bear Claw was

(50:24):
saying about AI, there are people have talked about
actually taking Halloween 4 and putting a different mask on him.
You know what? You can do pretty much anything.
Do whatever you want. The.
Sky is the women. I mean, I'm not saying this is
good, bad or otherwise, but you could.
With the existing footage, you could probably rewrite the whole
thing. My stance on 4 has always been

(50:46):
if the mask was like better, it would be like probably the
second best to Halloween, you know?
Here's my challenge with five though.
Here's what I'm going to put outthere and and I get where they
were with this. How do you write 5 so it's not
just a boring rehash? How do you take?
Time to put in how do. You write 5 so it's not just 4
Part 2 and just boring again. Just, well, I, I, I think like

(51:11):
Logan had a good point. I didn't.
Find 4 boring though. Yeah, I didn't either.
Well, I did. I I thought 4 was, I think they
had to do what they had to do with four, like, because it was
the reintroduction of Michael Myers.
And like, to Logan's point, thismovie was made less than a year
later. Like, yeah, yeah, you know what?
4 was perfectly fine because four, at least there was

(51:34):
competent directors with it. This movie, this movie just felt
like they're like, OK, let's just ruin Halloween for people.
To answer Bear Claws question ofwhat you would do, well, I
wouldn't reboot the movie again on the second go around.
Yeah, you wouldn't. You wouldn't hit the body with
another set of paddles. You wouldn't.

(51:55):
I don't know, I think. I think I want to read that
original script. Yeah, I think it'd start with
keeping the original script. This movie would have benefited
for more time. Get rid of that, Frenchman.
To create the flesh it out, yeah.
Flesh it out a little bit more like again, we talked about they
started this movie without a full script like, you know.
They had one, they just chose not to use.

(52:16):
It all the Frenchmen did. Yeah.
I want to get to your thoughts on Loomis in this because Logan
said this is his worst Loomis. Bear Claw disagreed and I'm
disagree. I'm kind of with Bear claw on
here because this is my thoughts, right?
This is the fifth movie. Guy's been through a lot of
stuff. Although only four, four with
Myers, right? Loomis is at his wit's end here.

(52:38):
He's trying everything. He's gone crazy.
You know what? Why don't you tell the people
exactly what you told me when I told you that for the first
time? That I think this was the worst
Loomis. What did you say?
That the worst said this might be the best Loomis.
What did you say is the worst? I thought Halloween 2 might be
the worst Loomis. That is ridiculous.
Oh, I meant the original Halloween 2.

(53:02):
Halloween 2 is like legitimatelyone of the best sequels to an
original movie. I do like Halloween 2.
That with I will say there are some.
Clues guys Movie. Dan literally wrote like made it
his like number three in his no number #1 number one.
I made it understandable. It's a good ass movie.
I put a zero out. Dan was the only one who had

(53:26):
another Halloween beside. I like that it's set in AI like
that number one hospital. I do, I think, Nathan.
Could you, could you help me outhere and put in John Carpenter's
actual words in regard to a Halloween too?
But I think Halloween too is is an abomination in a horrible
movie. I don't give a shit.
At John Carpenter sure that JohnCarpenter is so angry with all

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of the money that Halloween 2 has made him and.
I'm sure his success. It has brought him, I'm sure.
I'm sure he's very angry having to have made that move.
Dan, what's your thoughts on Loomis in this?
I wrestle with whether I like itor I don't like the way he's
approached. Like I don't like how unhinged
he is. But at the same time, to your
guy's point, and this was my point too, like realistically,

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like this guy has been blown up.Like he's not going to be, he's
not going to be the same like stoic, brave, put together like
psychiatrist who's going to likesteer the ship properly.
I was going to. Ask.
He's just. Fucked up now.

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Like it's just like Michael's fucked up too.
Like everyone in this movie is just fucked up.
Because it's an aft up movie, doyou think Doctor Loomis has
retained his degree? His license, like he had his
license revoked? Yeah, probably got his medical
license revoked. Walking around with a cane.
Yeah, somehow he's still allowedaround children.

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They should have stopped him from entering the hospital.
This is one of the big things I have an issue with because the
best thing about Halloween Four I thought is they introduced a
new final girl in Rachel and then the beginning of this movie
got a Walrano. Almost medium.
Yeah, and I get bear claw, like you had said, like this.

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This was done intentionally, right?
To turn things on its head a little bit, like you're not
getting the same old shit. Yeah, and I'm OK with that.
And then they introduced Tina. I am a Tina fan.
I like Tina. I think she would have been a
great final girl. I think she was very
underutilized. I think the actress did an
excellent job. Logan I would rather watch
terror Fire than watch any scenes with Tina.

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She made my ears like, my God, it's cold out here.
Come. On open.
The door. It was really bad.
Like a like like back in the 80sstandards, she was like a bad
girl kind of start, but I mean to today's standards.
No, he's. Not that bad.
I like the friend a lot. I really did.
What was her name? Samantha, Sally.

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Those devil women a. Damn blonde devil women.
I mean, no, because I legitimately like, love Rachel.
And I said it on record, Rachel is the second best final girl.
And so how'd you feel when she'skilled off?
I legitimately almost cried because I that's the only time

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I've actually been so mad in a movie that I'm like few and I, I
legitimately when we first watched Halloween 5, I turned it
off because I was so mad. You're upset.
I was so upset. I was like, dude, what the shit?
You know what's The funny thing is you're teasing my tip for
like 40 minutes, having her run around.

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I like it. I'm going to use it.
He's in the tip. Because she's in the shower and
no. Yeah, Sorry, Nathan.
Sorry. I I didn't mean to do that.
I I shook the. We got the hose on them.
Nathan. I'm sorry, Nathan, you can cut
that. You can get a cold shower son

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and come back. Cut all that.
No, I Nathan ain't gonna cut it.You're.
God damn right. I say I say using my tip because
her for 40 minutes. Business.
For 40 minutes you would have her oblivious and it's great.

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I will say it's awesome. I love.
That it's awesome for your tip. Hey, my sympathy, join life, dip
at the top. And I'm enjoying it.
I really am because it's good. It's brings me back to Halloween
4. And I think that was the best
part of Halloween 4 is that suspense.
And I think they got it right with Halloween 5 with that
scene. And I'm like, OK, with the cops

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come up. I'm like, OK, so that was kind
of like a false, a false sense of like a false sense of fear.
Yeah. And I was like, OK, keep her
alive. And then the cops leave and
she's all alone and she gets a call.
And this is when the movie just instantly dies for me.
The fun drops and I am sitting through another hour and 30

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minutes without my ward and savior Rachel.
She revitalized Halloween four. Yeah, if she wasn't in the
movie, I would rate that probably.
She was pretty bland though. No, I don't.
I disagree. I think out of every.
Guarantee Tina she was pretty. Bland.
Oh my God dude, Tina is the mostbland character in the entire

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movie. You got to admit, Tina is
pretty, like bubbly fire to Tinais just a nobody who gives a
shit about Tina. What is Tina's relationship with
anybody? She's not really friends with
Rachel. She just breaks into her.
Well, yeah, she's supposed to befriends with Rachel that we just
meet in this movie. And also she's like, Oh yeah,

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she's not here. I'm gonna break into her house
and then leave the door wide open.
I mean, that was, you know, I don't know.
Bitch, you don't leave a door wide open.
Yeah, I mean, someone else's head.
I agree with Logan. Like, these scenes are like some
of my favorite in this movie where she is just, like, very
tough. You can see Michael in the
background, right? Well, yeah, this Harkins back to
like, again, going back to like the Carpenter Halloweens where

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Michael is stalking in the background and we get the third
person perspective of him stalking and those shots of him
in the background. And it's just that stuff I love
from 5:00 and then like it just departs from all of that for me.
What I think the biggest problemwith Tina is not so much her
character, because you have so many characters that are like

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Tina and other horror movies. What is so rage inducing about
this character is that she feelsso forced on the audience as
Rachel's replacement. Yeah, she feels like the Roman
Reigns when they try to introduce him into WWE and
they're like, oh, this is the guy you're supposed to like.
I'm like, I don't want him. Yeah, the director wants him.

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The director wants you to forgetabout Rachel.
Jamie seems to quickly forget that Rachel ever exists.
I know it felt like she didn't care.
And it's like Jamie's relationship with Tina is the
relationship that transcends anyconnection she had with Rachel.
So much so that Jamie's first words in the movie is Tina and

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proceeds to say Tina an ungodly amount of time.
Tina. Tina.
Tina. Yeah, I hear you.
I think it felt too forced. What I would have really liked
to see is Rachel survive a little bit longer in this movie.
I'm fine if they killed her off,yeah, but do it later on in the

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movie. Again, Rachel and Tina and I was
reading in the taking shape. She was alive for a lot more of
the. Movie and he was killed.
Like 3/4 of the way in. Here's the other thing that
bothers me about this too. Right.
OK, so you changed the final girl.
However, like even the way they killed Tina, they killed Tina
dirty too. They did kill her dirty.

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Well, we can come together. I'm fine like there's.
Like my point though, is like, why couldn't you just do that
with Rachel if that's all you were going to do?
Like that was going to be the the.
The. Character's end game was just
going to be killed by Michael. Rachel does.
What's the point of giving that character more from Buddy John?
Explains it as Rachel was too much like the virginal

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prototypical final girl, and he invented Tina to be kind of a
more modern woman because they were kind of heading into the
90s, he says in retrospect. Yeah, so a lot of fart smelling
got. It and he wanted he wanted it to
be a little bit. He said, you know, he goes on to
say he loves women cuz this was like from an interview that he
did, but he was saying that, youknow, he didn't want the final

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girl cuz I think he kind of thought of Tina as the final
girl. He didn't want her to be like,
like, cuz all of the, there was all of the Friday the 13th,
which was all about teenagers going and having sex and that
being morally wrong and that's why the killer went after them
kind of thing. He wanted to go against the
grain on that and use Tina, who is obviously the most

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experienced 1 and, and a little bit more like, and not the
blonde hair, blue eyes, but the the brown hair.
And he wanted to use her as kindof like a, as a final girl, but
still kind of like against the archetype that had been set up.
Yeah. Reminds me of a friend in the
hallway 1978. But the Annie bracket, yeah,

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remind me a lot of Annie. And I was like, well, I felt
like she was gonna be the first death in beginning of the movie.
And then they're like, no, yeah,I mean again, like I don't have
a problem with Tina, but like I would have liked to see Rachel
survive a little bit longer. And really Tina and I love
Rachel. I think make their transition
like if OK, that's your plan, but make it a little bit more

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make sense, you know, cuz we're just introduced to Tina and then
right away you kill Rachel like.That's.
Yeah, that's. Pretty You could have had like
Tina and Rachel get together, you see.
It's not in a good way. Tina get get see Rachel get
killed and then be like angry atlike some liars and then.
Yeah, like maybe she teams. Up with Jamie and they fight

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back together, yes. 100%. Yeah, that could have gone a
different way too, Yeah. Yeah, how many different ways.
But what we got this movie isn'tall bad, because one of the
things I love is the scene with Tina and Michael, her boyfriend
there. Yeah, that was very like and

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like you see his eyes in that. New and the new mask and I want
to ask. The new mask looks.
If they kept that mask instead of the the shit one they had,
that would have been awesome. Yeah, that would have been.
Awesome, I asked Logan. Dan, you've watched Halloween
for a lot of years here. Is this the first time Michael
Myers, besides the clown mask has donned another mask besides

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the white face? Technically wore ghost costume.
Yeah, he wore the ghost. He wore the ghost.
Yeah, but he still had his mask on underneath all.
Right. OK.
Technicality. Who gives a rat's head?
I thought this scene, though, where he puts on that brew mask
was scary, right? Yeah.
And Don Shanks talks about he worked with Dom, especially on

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the scene because he was like, how can we show, like, any
emotion through this? Don Shanks said.
Focus on my hands on the steering wheel.
And you can see when she kisses him, he's like.
You know, be great right now. Murder.
Murder somebody, I'm all hopped up on a sex.

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Well, do you like this scene or no?
I didn't give a shit about it, really.
Tell us how you really feel. There's no characters in this
movie that I really make. Did you like Michael?
The No I thought he was an asshole.
Oh, no, I actually, actually, I,I had a lot of empathy for for
Michael. Yeah.
I felt like the reason why he was so angry all the time was
because he was dating Tina. You know what?

(01:04:52):
I'll shake your hand on that one.
Yeah, that one. That was a good take, Diane.
How about you? Did you like it?
I mean. You can clearly tell he's been
putting up with her shit for a lot longer than we have.
Dang, he's at which I. Didn't feel bad for him 'cause
the man clearly took care of hisride.
He had a nice ride and Michael that ride, he loved that ride.
And then Michael comes and and that was that was the real kill
of the movie. Right, that scene where Michael

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Fox with them. Are oh.
He Michael didn't have to do that, like he didn't have to put
that garden hoe on his ride, but.
But he wanted, yeah, it was goodand I appreciate.
That that blonde kid was pissingme off.
Spits. You said you liked the man
first. Kill that Barnstein.
That Barnstein. Really.
That Barnstein might be an honorable mention for a stinker,
but it's not written down. I really hate it all.

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Really. You don't like the Barnstein?
I hated it. What?
About that, I love the. Barnstein I This is another
thing I like. Too long.
Way too long. It was like it kills though I
mean the. I'm not talking about the kill.
I'm talking about just the lead up to the kill was
excruciatingly long of just too much like them walking around
with the cats all walking aroundin the dark.

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There's two Michaels now. There's nothing.
And it's just like, I will say this, Watch.
I really noticed how like Michael would come into frame.
Yeah. In the barn, yeah.
Like where Tina is picking up the little kitten at 1st and she
she sees him, yes. And he walks like.
And she kind of thinks like, I think I'm, I'm guessing she

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thinks Spitz is just fucking with her and she just kind of
like doesn't about Payson walks away.
Doesn't watch this movie where she kind of notices something
and then goes, you know what? That's nothing.
I'm gonna walk away. Yeah.
The the best scene to me is the one where she notices Michael in
the Bay window of Rachel's house.
Walk away. Like, that's scary, man.

(01:06:38):
That's scary. Oh yeah, no, they did a really
good job. I bought in this movie, and this
is one of the reasons I like this movie is I know post him a
lot more in this watch through of him being in the background
and and either people kind of passively kind of noticing him
or only noticing his shoulder orlike because like to me, that's
one of the the keystones of the shape is is like him just kind

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of watching and being part of the scene and.
Being a creep. And yeah, kind of being a creep.
I mean, that's Michael Myers, right?
He's just sitting there watching, just waiting for his
opportunity to murder. And I thought they did that
really good in this and then in a violent nature too, so.
God, this is basically in a violent in a violent nature to

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its core. Did you like the barn scene Dan?
Cuz I really thought this was one of the best things I liked
about this movie, The way it wasshot in the cinematography like.
I just think that the charactersare are so annoying.
Yeah, like the characters can't.You didn't.
Get any relief from them gettingthe old pitchfork man.
Oh, they're people dying. The pitchfork was cool.

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I still liked Mike's death the best though.
Yeah, the Mike's that flip. The hell, Darnell.
Was. Pretty good.
But like, no, like, I mean, yeah, that is, I think that
pitchfork is pretty cool, but like spits, spits just trying to
like compulsively or impulsivelytry to like scare people every 5
seconds. That pissed me off.
Like that's why I said to Logan,when you're watching, I'm like,

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why is she like into this? Like, you know, he was like,
what, ready to kill her and whatwe got to realize nowadays.
It was the 80s. They weren't dating.
Yeah. People.
People were. Kind of idiots back in the day.
Hey, Spits, we're looking at three of them.
Spits and Mike are not good guys, and that's what.

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That's what makes them bad. Mike's an asshole to everybody
and. I mean, it was kind of a thing.
He was like, there was a lot of he.
Was like the Fonzie. Yeah, I guess 'cause he's.
He's dating Dina. But he's an asshole to
everybody. Because he's dating Tina.
And then Spitz just walks aroundlike an idiot.
He's an idiot. He just.

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I don't get his. Yeah, but he's not.
I don't get him. Yeah, I.
Don't know that I see either. I don't even know that I see
Mike as a bad guy. He's a little bit of a jerk, but
I mean, I don't know that that'senough to throw him.
Hey, he's no band. He's not going around killing
the residents of that. His damn band, Geeks and
Halloween Ends. I think they're the number one
bad guys. They're they're scary, man.
They'll kill Peek. Again, I did not know I was in

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band, and I did not know I againknew the new timid folk.
Nowadays the band kids are the are the bullies, man.
I need them to be a timid folk who.
The nerds are the boys. You know what I don't like in
this one too is we have Sheriff Meekerback, who I loved in four
and he has like a background character in this.

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And then we get the two bumblingcops that.
I mean one of the worst things about this movie and this is
undefendable is when the cops show up for the first time and
they play like clown music. Like Power Rangers?
What is going on here, man? Like, yeah, it kind of did
remind me of Power Rangers, likewhen the the bullies show up,

(01:09:52):
but it's like, it's like, what did you want to start?
What do you want? To bulk in school.
Did you guys want to insert a laugh track so we know when to
laugh too? Like that was some truly like.
What are you guys doing with that?
Yeah, I mean, the audience is not stupid.
Like we can figure out that these cops especially because
when they don't find Michael Myers in the house and he's in.

(01:10:12):
The house and only and listen, even if they had committed to it
and every time they showed up they did it, but they didn't,
they did it once. That Frenchman didn't think
doesn't American. Stand out as like what do you he
doing? He doesn't think we're smart,
Bear claw. That Frenchman thinks that we're
idiots. Well, cuz they had that other
scene too, where they're in their car and they're talking to
Michael Myers at the Tower Farm and they're like, hey, put that
down. Hey, come on.

(01:10:33):
Enough, enough. All right.
Somebody can get hurt with that.Like it's gotta be the.
Yeah, they think it's spits. Though Dude, I've seen this
movie a million times. We know this Watch.
I noticed something insane that this movie is not awful.
In the tower farm scene, when they're like inside the house

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and they're dancing with all thecops.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a random old lady just sitting.
Yeah, yeah. Did you see that?
Yeah. I thought, yeah, I wonder what
she was doing too. Maybe like the old lady just
held the Halloween party every year.
Dude, in my head I'm thinking like, is she?
Being held happy, yeah. Like, just like over her.
House. Say how to like, take the chair

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and they're feeding her gravity balls.
She looks like she was in a wheelchair of some sort.
It just like, OK, I this is serious.
She was just a kindly old woman who enjoyed having the youth
over and so a party every year I.
Was the director's mother and hehad no one to home care.
I had I think. What you're looking at?

(01:11:38):
They put someone's mom in sit. Here and look like your average
chest I. Think it was just her house.
Take this. It's making me have.
Maybe this was her real house inreal life, and she was like,
hey, no, I gotta be in. Listen.
You guys can shoot here. I'm fine with it, but I wanna be
in the movie. It was a real.
You know what? Let's.
Find out. Well, you guys are talking.

(01:11:59):
I'll try. I'll try to find out.
I couldn't believe this. Yeah, Rev up the Chess Chess
Master, 3000. This gets me to some of my other
favorite scenes though. Is Michael in the Camaro chasing
down Jamie. It's funny this.
Shits funny to me. Like, yeah.
Well. Poor Billy running.
Billy fucking. Fucking.

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Trans Am. That's the other thing too,
though, is like there's supposedto be a part here.
I don't know whether it was shotor not, but Billy and I keep
saying BMX bandit. But like Billy's supposed to be
like a BMX rider and he's supposed to like showcase some
serious BMX skills and like do some, you know, hot flips or
whatever and supposedly save, you know, really make the day

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with like his BMX bandit skills.But they cut all that out and
just had the kids outrun a car going 30 miles an.
Hour legitimately is it? Was it BMX?
But he was supposed to be. Yeah, supposed to be like a BMX
because BMX was, you got to keepin mind contact BMX was huge
back in this time, so. This would have made the scene
probably a little bit more entertaining.

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Yeah, because it was really kindof like she's out running the
car, He appears to be full throttle and then she's kind of
running. And then he just kind of jumps
in front of the car. I love how belly waves don't hit
me. Right here.
Right here. Yeah, I hate this movie.
I want to be out of Take Me Out of it.

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I have information on the confused old lady.
Yes, they said in the movie or something to the effect of that
that the old tower farm was a popular party place because the
old couple who owned it was not really with it anymore.
And when the kids that's on a. Fucking.
Elder abuse, that is. The old elder.

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Abuse shit old lady was Mrs. Tower, she had dementia for
something similar. My God.
And that the kids took advantageof that.
As Tina said, the tower parties always rock.
Oh my God. Holy shit.
That's dark. Man, OK, that's real.
That kind of that kind of turnedmy my rating.
Maybe Michael Myers was the goodguy in this movie.

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Michaels, like, fuck these kids.They need to be taught a lesson.
I'm 20 years not on my watch. This is my town.
I'm 20 years old. But you know, Oh my goodness.
Oh my, that kind. Of reframes the movie, maybe.
It's their age. One of the things we forgot to
mention is. Wait a minute.
The police were there too. Yeah, Oh my God.

(01:14:32):
Again. Maybe Michael is the good guy.
Corrupt cops. Cops went along with an.
Open elder abuse. Cops are.
Yeah. Cops are right there.
They're like. Oh.
You're the other time. Everybody having fun at?
Home. We can't do anything.

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We have no. Jurors at the time.
We can't have a warrant. Can't call anybody, can't do
anything like that. We're.
On Halloween night. No, we.
Ride there. Listen.
No, we're going to help at all. But I can write.

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We'll take you there. We'll take you.
There, Michael's side. Get him, man.
There's. The whole movie.
Now this is. A sweet party.
This is Michael's revenge. Well, to be fair, though, to get
a warrant to stop a party on Halloween night, it's got to be
tough to get. Well, they had the SWAT team

(01:15:34):
there, for God's sakes. Yeah, that shouldn't have.
Already been mobile? Well, the SWAT team was
different. I'm pretty sure they had a thing
on Michael Myers for a year, so they were ready.
We forgot to mention the cookie woman scene.
Cookie. Woman, I'm fine with that.
Cookie Woman. Which is like my favorite scene

(01:15:55):
in this movie. Like it's just.
Woman. Big woman, Big woman.
Works at the. Cookies.
Can we please edit in bear clawsspeech from the last time where
he did the the whole line for the whole line for a while.
So I do like this scene though, because especially when the cops
get there and they surround Tinaand then and then Michael, like

(01:16:20):
where'd Michael go? He drove off these.
Cops are not good cops. No, they're not, I don't think.
Haddonfield PD is top of the line here.
I think they're they're. Think Tina said something to the
effect of bad boyfriend or something like that.
Like I'm like, well. She thought it was her
boyfriend, but they were like, Michael Myers is coming for you.
And he was like, yeah, I don't think I can take all these cops.

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So we drove off. Well, that's what I was saying
to Logan. Why wouldn't Jamie just tell
him, like, hey, the boogeyman's with you, Like, you know, OK,
but that kids a mute. Yeah.
I guess. Mutant.
Yeah. Mutant by the X-Men.
We get to the ending, right? Loomis is begging Michael to go
home. Ending.
Oh wow, go. Home ending in the.

(01:17:01):
House in the house. Yeah, the ending is arguably the
best part of the film because that house is pretty awesome.
It's not his house, but first. Off.
It's not the Myers house, right?No, it's.
Like a mansion, yeah. Well, what is this house?
Yeah. I go pretty cool.
It's got. A home.
Go to a place that looks like your home but is in your home.

(01:17:22):
Because we can't get that home. We have this home.
It looks like your home, but also doesn't.
No, I mean, I get it. They needed like a climactic
battle. I thought it was a cool place
for a climactic battle. I thought the whole like.
Looks like Loomis. There was a lot of stuff that
happened, but I really didn't connect the dots on a lot of
like why there was a bunch of dead bodies in the attic and

(01:17:43):
like it was all the people he had killed.
He set up this whole thing. I don't I don't understand.
Whose coffin did he dig? Up like a six year old girl.
Nobody checked the coffin when they went inside the house.
Well, Loomis didn't go to the attic.
Nobody checked the attic. None of the SWAT team checked
that house. Well, I think they just left it
as is to make sure he came back or something.

(01:18:03):
I, I I don't know. So wait a minute, this entire
time Michael had been like chilling at that house and
Loomis knew he was going to be like at the cause like.
Yeah. He had been there before because
he had a whole like Michael. If nothing else, he's a he's a
murderer. But he's also a big and interior
design and decorating. Yeah, especially with human
bodies. I was explaining to Logan he

(01:18:25):
likes the trick or treat process.
Yeah. You know, he likes to set up.
Yeah. Just saying why not?
Why not hit, hit, get Loomis anda bunch of police go over there
while he's decorating. Just take care of.
Him. I mean, this entire movie's
ridiculous, and the ending just speaks on that.
Because that ending is well, maybe it was the Man in Black
who helped too. Well, maybe we do see the Man in

(01:18:46):
Black earlier. We see the man in black.
But if I didn't see it, and there's no clues to suggest that
he did, it didn't happen. There's no evidence that
supports that claim dead. And that's that's what we got to
go on. We have nothing.
So Loomis, like Billy being dead, Loomis sets up a big trap
here for Michael, right? Yeah.
Big trap also known. Good.
Trap. Good trap.

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But you have a million and a half officers now when you could
have used them, you know, 10 times earlier.
We got the whole SWAT team. People finally believe him.
Yeah, because of the barn. And this is what's cool though,
like, and what I thought would have been awesome, like you were
saying earlier, if they had shown the scenes where he went
to that hospital. And yeah, because Michael's

(01:19:29):
smart. He's like fuck this I.
Yeah, I'm not gonna go there andget shot up again.
I ain't no puss. I'm bringing the.
Fights like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna draw them away.
And then that would have been a really cool SWAT team, like
really showing the brutality of Michael Myers by like having him
just come out and like brutalizeas the SWAT team.
And then, you know, it really cement his place as like, OK,

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this is a formidable adversary. And then then he'd go to the
house and. Yeah, right.
They didn't have any money to dothat kind of scene.
They they did the scene, they did the scene.
They just took it away because they thought.
It was too violent. What the hell?
It's too violent. It's a Halloween movie.
It's a horror movie. It's a horror movie.
And the guy said Frenchman makesme want to Dom said that because

(01:20:16):
they mentioned that in the interview with Dom here is they
say, hey, well, you know, they kind of did that scene in the
Rob Zombie one. And he's like Rob Zombie did my
movie almost scene for scene andlike copied me, copied my entire
movie. And he thought of it as like a
good thing. He was like, he loved Halloween
5 so much, but he's like, he copied me for that whole movie.
And it's fantastic. But you know, it's not an

(01:20:38):
homage. He copied exactly what I wanted
to do there. I love to see Dom and Rob Zombie
battle it out. I thought the creepiest seeing
here is when Loomis goes back tothe cop who's garden Jamie and
he goes, he goes Charlie. Charlie Michael Myers is
outside. Stay with a little girl, please.

(01:21:01):
Please. I thought that was creepy.
I thought that was, I legitimately almost marked out
because I thought that was the best Loomis we've gotten in the
entire movie. That was awesome.
I love, I love that Loomis is somuch of A like, he hates Michael
so much, he's going to throw it all away just so.
Was anybody unclear on the pointthat Tina was dead at this

(01:21:24):
point? Because I was.
I didn't think she had died. Yeah, I I was.
I didn't. I thought she was.
Injured, Injured she's. Dead.
Maybe they could have brought her back.
I mean, technically they broughtback a million people.
I don't care about Tina. She did die defending Jamie.
So that's like a cool thing, right?
But like you go to Valhalla to Dan's point, why couldn't you
have done that with Rachel? And like, like you were saying

(01:21:46):
bear claw, then it it fuels the fire for Tina.
And that would have that would have brought Michael Myers back
in the light if he killed off Rachel, because then you're
basically killing all hope. Because that pretty much would
have killed my liking of MichaelMyers.
Because then I would have been like, oh, Michael, you, you must
stop, brother. You did kill Rachel though.
No, not in the way I want. And then we get the great

(01:22:09):
laundry shoot scene here cuz finally.
That was like the best scene. Yeah, Michael gets in the house,
he fucks up Charlie, throws him over, throws.
Him out the window on a news. Break.
Wait a minute, wait a minute. Before we get here though, I I
want to ask Loomis and Michael have a scene right where Loomis
is trying to appeal to Michael. Little girl can stop the.

(01:22:33):
This has to be the longest scene.
The most batshit scene I have ever seen.
Is this when they're in the woods?
No, they're in the house and it's like it starts because like
the music is playing, It's doingthe Bing Bing the piano and then
like it abruptly stops. It's almost like a queue for
like something that's about to happen.
It's Loomis going into this longass speech, saunters up to

(01:22:55):
Michael Myers and he's talking to him and like Michael's is
kind of just looking around. Like.
He's got the knife up here. And he's like, motherfucker
really talking to me like. That after all this time, this
has to be the longest on on screen time that Loomis and
Michael Myers have shared together, right In any movie?

(01:23:19):
Yeah, together in the same. In the same scene.
I don't know. They were together a lot in two
though, weren't they? Not really.
Not really. Just the little ending scene.
It's the closest they've done. Yeah, he was a boy, right?
They were pretty much on each other.
He could smell Loomis's bourbon on his mouth.
And yeah, Loomis could smell Michael's a rouser.

(01:23:40):
Can I throw a little another little thing out there about
Loomis? Was anybody else upset that he
wasn't carrying the same gun that he normally carries?
He usually carries A revolver. He is carrying a 45 in this.
He should have carried a shotgun.
He. Sure that this Loomis kind of
reminds me of Frank Reynolds from It's Always.
Yes, I couldn't know I wanted. I just started blasting anyway.

(01:24:02):
I started blasting. And I blasted another one.
I like that he uses his gun to, like, pick stuff out of his
teeth and shit. That's like the bus.
It's always sunny. Yeah.
I mean, we get the the great scenes of Jamie going down the
laundry shoe, trying to escape, Michael falling down the laundry
shoe, and like you said earlier,Michael just stabbing through

(01:24:23):
the fucking laundry shoe like crazy.
I feel like Halloween H2O stole some things from this.
Yeah. With that done waiter, yeah,
whatever the elevator, because you get that shot of Michael
looking up the laundry shoe and stuff.
That was all really scary stuff.Yeah, this was like the truly
like heart pounding scene in themovie because you've got Jamie

(01:24:45):
trying to escape and then him just really going to town with a
knife on that laundry shoe. Like first he's trying to get
into it and he can't get into it, and then he's like, screw it
and just start stabbing it. I mean, I thought that was
really cool. And that was a really, genuinely
scary scene in my mind. Did you like the scene?
Look? No, I legitimately didn't
because I again, I knew about like her actually getting

(01:25:09):
stabbed and I thought I was like, ma'am, when did she get
hurt? And I saw him like, Oh my God, I
thought it was fine. But like, I don't know.
I just, I think the problem for me is there was no heart.
There was no connection to anybody.
I didn't really care that much about Jamie.
No, I don't because like I know he's not going to kill her.
Like she's a kid, Like they're not going to kill off a kid if

(01:25:30):
they didn't kill off Billy and they're not gonna go off Jamie
on screen. Well, maybe the bear claws
point. If you had shown the big
hospital massacre, this would have made the stakes more.
Yeah, but they didn't. So I was like okay, well Jamies
not dying so who gives a shit. Then we get almost maybe the
worst, the worst scene in Halloween franchise history.

(01:25:51):
The jailbreak. No, no.
Michael crying. Yeah.
I mean, everything from like, Rachel being killed is pretty
bad. I mean, what are your thoughts
on Rachel? I mean, Rachel, you got me
thinking about Rachel. Rachel crying, Dan.
I mean, this is Michael Myers the shape.
He takes his mask off and cries.Kevin, they're, they're just

(01:26:12):
trying to do something creatively different.
Oh God. You got to embrace the
creativity. I want.
That to never be said, I mean. It's his moment of humanity.
I need to show I'm not. Saying that, I'm not saying
that. 10 years just doing away with this humanity just to bring
it to. Me just the revenge of Michael
my. Minute of humanity.
But why did they show this scenethough?

(01:26:34):
Like I get like it's humanity, but.
So you want to hear my like? You're not making them scary.
My, my fan fiction for this is that Jamie, like if we were
going to keep the same movie, like where Jamie was going to
become The Shape. What's happening in this movie
is that there's a transference of The Shape from Michael into
Jamie, and to me, if they kept it the way it was, the crying

(01:26:57):
scene would make sense because it's Michael finally becoming
human as the Shape is leaving him and transferring into Jamie.
So. Like her eyes should have like,
turned black. The reason he starts crying is
'cause he takes the mask off andshe looks in his eyes, and so he
probably sees the blackness, thedark eyes, you know what I mean?

(01:27:20):
That seems like something that would happen in Halloween Nuns.
I'll be 100% honest. Those 3 movies are like hey,
let's find out what makes Michael tick.
Well, it's like almost feels like David Gordon Green.
Like, really loved a lot of the concepts that got left on the
cutting room floor for this movie.
You know what I love about the first Halloween movie and why
it's simply the greatest horror movie of all time?

(01:27:42):
Because there's no why does he do this?
There's no like, how does he do this?
It's just he does this. This is who he is.
Why do we have to explain everything in perfect detail?
And I think that's why this movie failed in every other
movie sequel. Devil's advocate, though, this
is the fifth in this. Yeah, something's got to change.

(01:28:03):
Yeah, you have to do. I don't think there should have
been any other movie after the second one.
Agreed. I don't think there should have
been any after the first, to be honest.
Yeah, I. Was gonna say I.
Think that too. I think the only movies after
the first should have been anthology movies because I would
have loved to see more like 3. Yeah, I mean, you should in that
second, right? Yeah.
And the anthology. I'd be fine with Season of Witch

(01:28:24):
as a movie, but I don't like that it's a Halloween movie.
And then I hate to talk like so much now.
Yeah, I hate to talk so much badon this.
But then we get to the ending. I I got to say, and this is what
really bakes me. Wait, actually, sorry, sorry,
Loke to cut you off before we get to this ending scene.
I do really like Loomis finally having some physicality against

(01:28:49):
Michael Myers and dropping the chain out.
Like him beating the shit out ofhim with a board.
Do you like walking tall, Loomis?
He was. I love it.
Oh man. I liked it.
I like. Yeah, me too.
I liked. Him What don't you like about

(01:29:10):
this? This movie setting.
The chain trap, I thought was clever, like, oh come change.
Darting. On life and then dart gunning
him. Got a bear?
You got a horse tranquilizer. To me though, this had to be
happened and this should have happened way earlier in the
series. Is Loomis actually gets physical
with Michael Myers? Yeah.

(01:29:31):
I mean, at the end of the first one, you get the six shots I
shot, shot him six times. He burns them at the end of the
sixth one. But like there otherwise,
there's no real interaction. This was overdue in my opinion.
No kind. Of like a final confrontation.
Yeah, well, he shot him in the first one.
He burned him alive in the second one I think.
Pretty much like. Him, and I mean he just tears a

(01:29:54):
board off the wall and starts beating him with it.
That's what I thought was so cool about it.
It is is like he's using the little girl to bring him into
the to the trap. Yeah.
He springs the trap and then he's just unleashes hell on him.
Like he shoots him a few times with a dark gun.
Then when that's not enough, OK,fine.
I'll get a 2 by 4 and start slamming it against them.

(01:30:15):
And like, I, I don't know. It shows Loomis truly unhinged,
but you know he's doing what needs to be done.
It like shows like almost like that.
The rage within Michael has consumed him.
Yeah. Like it's like that transfer.
Is become the beast. And this is 3.
And oh, against Michael, though technically why Michael keeps
surviving and going out, but he.Still, the battle still gets

(01:30:38):
war. It's every battle he wins
because what he won in the firstone by shooting him off the
ledge, keeping Wari alive, whichtechnically stopped him.
Halloween too, he burns him alive saving Wari again and then
in this one he saves her daughter.
So he technically goes 3 and O against him.
And that's why I'm saying Halloween 5.

(01:30:59):
Michael Myers revenge should have been him killing Loomis.
Yeah, because up to this point Loomis is beating him every
single time and again. He was supposed to die here.
Like when he falls on Michael. He was supposed to like have a
heart attack and die like on topof Michael.
Like he did everything he could to sacrifice himself to stop.

(01:31:19):
Man, how it ended. But the second one.
Then we get to the scene at the police station.
This is almost as bad as him crying him in a cell with his
mask on. Yeah.
Yeah, like the police didn't bother to take that off.
They're like God, no, we'll justlet him have it, you know?
The source of his power. Chained up like.
And I, I like how like, and it'sjust like this subtle little

(01:31:40):
mannerism, but like, Michael like, plucks the handcuffs.
Like he's just kind of like, yeah, no, I fucked up this time.
Oh, they got me good. They got me in the old drunk
tank. I think the Man in Black
storyline throughout this entiremovie is the most nonsensical
stupid shit I've ever seen just so they can get to it.

(01:32:03):
What if the man in black was Laurie Strode?
If the man in black. Was an actual.
Story I would have liked it. They purposely put the man in
black in there as just like. And they didn't know what he.
Yeah, right. They had no idea they.
Just put him in there so they like.
Stupid shit just for a show. Yeah, to explain that like.

(01:32:24):
And why would somebody who had access to that kind of
firepower, why would he be? Riding blows up a police
station, Yeah. Why would he be riding in a bus?
Yeah, I mean, this is just. An automatic machine gun, but
not a car. Yeah, I mean, Dan, when you had
first seen the ending to this, what were your thoughts like?
What? What's going on here?
Where's Michael? It's the most unsatisfying movie

(01:32:45):
to watch from start to finish. Yeah, it completely changes
creative direction in the beginning, subverting
expectations, and then it takes the viewer on this fever dream
of a Halloween movie that leads to an underwhelming cliffhanger.
And they shot that last scene too, like they shot that that
you didn't see in the movie. You just saw the weird like

(01:33:06):
overlay kind of thing, the wholeshooting of the police station.
Yeah, they. They shot like a more in depth
like actually the man in. Oh yeah.
Shooting. They had a full action sequence.
Yeah, they chose not to do that for.
Too violent? I don't feel like it would have
helped the ending at all. In the producers cut of

(01:33:28):
Halloween 6, they do a showing of what happens at the end of
this movie where the cult of Thorn takes Michael into a van.
Have you ever seen that scene? But he's got the new mask on.
What means their place is mass. They're like here, just here you
go, Mike. We know the cops let you keep

(01:33:48):
your old mask, but here's your new.
Mask. That would have been so much
better than the 6th 1. He got a new mask and he didn't
have the mask. And that I will like just the
ending. Loomis on top of Michael.
Fade to black. Yeah.
Yeah. Why he explained anything more?
That would have been the last. The final tale of Loomis versus
Michael. Would that have tickled your
tip? Yeah.

(01:34:09):
Yeah, they're really drumming itout.
We're on to Conspiracy Corner. I've got a good one for this one
guys. All right, hear me out right
this. Movie is off.
You guys remember that we were triangle shaped throughout the
movie, right? Like that was on his wrist.
Oh, the thorn symbol, yeah. So in the next movie, it's
actually a rune sign, right? And Halloween sex, right?

(01:34:35):
And there's this cult, right? And they're like cults around
this. And we got Paul Rudd.
We'll show. Right.
Paul Rudd? No, we'll get Paul Rudd and wow.
And he'll show up. He'll be Tommy from the original
movie. Whoa and mine, blonde.
And then, yeah, and see, this ishow it's going to go.
And then they're going to actually be able to control

(01:34:56):
Michael Myers using runes. Well, they go over this shit,
and then there'll be a baby in atrain station.
No, no real reason. Steve, Michael's son.
That was Mike, son, yeah. I think we should all get Colt
of Thorns, dudes. What do you think?
You know what would make that movie even better?
Let's have a weird birthing scene.

(01:35:16):
Open the movie. Yeah.
Going off a bear claws, but not really going off a bear claws.
So bear claws is more of a. That was more of a prophecy.
Wonder if the Man in Black was Michael's long lost brother.
Oh, God, I want you to. No, Dan.
Now is. Now is yours.
We're going to. Forget that was.

(01:35:38):
Dad, I'm sorry, but no, no, no, no, no.
I don't want that. And I know they're gonna go with
that. And then they they do they make
it a comedy like twins. Who's the Danny Devita?
Who's the owner? What if the man in.

(01:35:58):
Black is a. Really small person like who do
you think like isn't? That man in black, like the dad
from that Dharma and Craig show.Dude I have never thought about
that show until now. Oh my God.
That is like a 90s. Dude, you went into a different.

(01:36:21):
Dimension. Wow.
Oh my. God, we pull up a picture of the
foster derma and Greg. Any other?
Conspiracy. Yeah.
Oh yeah, the hermit that wasn't a nice man who nursed Michael
back to health for over a year, a full year without ever being
like this dude isn't waking up. Maybe I should get help.

(01:36:44):
Like I'm. I'm definitely way in over my
head. This is way more work than I
thought. Like, and then it it just dawned
on me, right. He's clearly gaining something
by having this comatose man in his Hut.
I don't know where this. Is going.
I take another dark turn. Saint Pickle in my tip.
After the dementia party like this, this feels tame.

(01:37:09):
He clearly was haggling with hishomeless companions for food,
medicine and supplies for a lonetime with.
A college life? Oh no.
Oh God, we're going to the Bill Cosby.
That's. Why?
He's crying. Michael, holy shit.

(01:37:29):
That old man was all the hobbits.
The old man was Bill Cosby, No? It's like from Kill Bill where
he's, yeah, he's Buck and he loves.
These conspiracies, this is Michael's revenge.
Michael No. That's why that's why Loomis
feels sympathy for me. That's why that's where all the

(01:37:49):
sympathy comes from in this. Movie Listen, I know it's been a
tough year. Everyone's been through it.
I got blown up. You got blown up.
But let's talk about what happened.
You on the river? Yeah.
I know you got. Where did he, where did they
text you, Michael? We don't have to go. 3.

(01:38:10):
Times, Michael. I know you.
Have the Oh my God, this is sucha dark movie now that we.
I'm still reeling from the tower, like in high school,
partying around like demented old people.
And that's like, that's some real bottom of the barrel human
stuff. Like, that's like, oh, Michael
Myers. Was the good guy.

(01:38:31):
Listen. In that contest.
If you're listening to this, go back to the Tower farm scene and
look for that old lady. Percent What happened?
I mean, she is in there in the middle of them dancing and
parading around her. What is going on?
Michael is like might be the hero.
Oh my, this one. Michael is the hero.
And the victim I. Didn't.

(01:38:55):
Make him a big. Story there's.
A lot more stuff in that guys. How's a year later?
Yeah, for that reason, I don't think that's Parasite.
That's what the Cult of Thorn was originally.
Any other conspiracies consent to putting that baby Daniel

(01:39:20):
here? My gosh, that was his choice.
My buddy, my choice. Michael was the first person in
the Me Too movement. My goal is the Me Too movement.
Bill Cosby got to him. I have a conspiracy.
There's no more conspiracy. No more conspiracies.

(01:39:42):
No more conspiracy. No, never again.
This is the last one. I got to pee real quick.
Oh, here we go. It's time for.
It's time for your favorite segment, Man on the Street.
We're here in front of the TowerFarms.
Now. Bear call.
What can he tell us about this party?

(01:40:03):
We heard there's a woman here that's suffering from dementia.
So apparently these high schoolers are engaging in a
massive scale elder abuse here, Logan.
It's really quite a shame to see.
We've called the police but apparently they are already on
scene but giving rides to the children to and from towers.
Farms. Oh my God this place is
terrible. What kind of party is this?

(01:40:25):
This is the most horrific thing I've seen in my entire news
career, Logan. I guess it's a normal day in the
1980s. We're on to hot takes.
I have a hot take. This is something I've thought
about for a long time. A lot of people have said that
this is the Halloween that ruined Halloweens.

(01:40:48):
Yes, it did. I don't agree with that.
Well, I think Halloween ruined Halloween and this is what I
mean. Halloween, too, happened in
1981. And that's what ruined
Halloween. I agree with your thesis.
Let me explain. I'm on board, full stop.
Let me explain. The next Halloween movie
featuring Michael Myers, not Halloween 3, happened in 1988.

(01:41:12):
Between 1981 and 1988, there wasthis huge horror boom.
Nightmare on Elm Street came. Freddy Krueger became a horror
icon. Jason Berkle.
I know you haven't seen any Jason movies.
Yet. Yeah, OK.
I take your word for it that there's some guy named Jason.
He's coming. Jason took over Freddy and Jason
from 1980. Probably 80.

(01:41:34):
What 4 to 88 were like horror icons.
They were must see movies makingtons of money.
How many Halloween movies happened in that?
Zero, except for Halloween 3 without Michael Myers.
So to me, you know, you brought back Michael Myers in 1988, and
that was like the end of the horror boom.

(01:41:56):
Yeah, it really was. Like it was starting to be
coming to the 90s, and the 90s had its strong points for
horror, but not it wasn't. Freddie wasn't a household name
like he was in the 80s. Like it was.
People don't realize, like, I lived in way, way outside of
like in the middle of nowhere when I was younger.

(01:42:16):
And I was, you know, pretty he kept away from a lot of of
horror movies and stuff like that on CBS and stuff like that.
There was Freddy Krueger commercials to call Freddy.
And like, he had toothpaste and like, it was like, it was
insanity. Yeah, that's hard.
It's hard to express to people how like ubiquitous horror
people horror things were in the80s.

(01:42:39):
Yeah. Yeah, now, nowadays, we don't
have anything horror, Jason, besides the Fanta drinks that
came out, right, Like they were pop culture.
Yeah. Meanwhile, Michael Myers had
nothing in this time. Well, he shouldn't.
You know, Halloween 4 made a tonof money in 1988.
That was it. Yeah. 1989 Halloween 5, this is

(01:43:01):
the downfall. Yeah.
Freddy's 2018. Freddy's Dead came out in 91.
Was it oh 91? OK.
Did horribly. It was and.
Then Jason Takes Manhattan was 89 I believe.
Yeah, Jason takes Manhattan was 89.
Yeah, Jason. Jason goes to hell.
Was 9393. And I mean, these movies did
terrible. Yeah, they.
Really started to fizzle out, yeah.

(01:43:23):
This was it. So Halloween missed the biggest
portion of horror like, you knowwhat I mean?
So I blame Halloween on it, Not on Halloween 5 specifically.
Like 'cause this was already theend of the big horror boom.
I have a similar thing that I wrote in my notes regarding

(01:43:43):
this. And like, I don't necessarily
blame them because they missed the horror boom.
To me, it seemed like with thesemovies, they were trying to
capture and ride that wave of like the horror icon and they
were trying to turn him into this horror icon when like Jason
and Freddie are just a differentbeast.

(01:44:05):
They're showman. They're these flashy characters.
One of them talks, granted, the other one doesn't.
But like, I don't know, like they have like a fully fleshed
Outback story. There's a lore behind and like
Michael is a force of nature. And again I think to your point,
I don't think you really can do anything to make like 7 or 8

(01:44:29):
quality movies or consistently good movies with this character.
He is A to Bear Claw's point, heis a good one and done character
and the more you try to like sequel eyes him, the more of a
diminished return on on the character itself.
And then you're having it createthese bullshit like reasons for

(01:44:51):
why he does stuff and like, the longer it goes on, the worse it
gets. Yeah, they should have.
Just left it alone like you evenneed to ride.
They never, they never have to. But you know why they do it?
Money. Exactly.
I gotta be honest with you gentlemen, I agree with both of
those hot takes. I think this is a timing issue
and I think it's also that Michael isn't Freddie or Jason

(01:45:13):
or any of those. So I I think both those hot
takes are excellent observation.You know what, though, I want to
say I don't agree with everything the new David Gordon
Green franchise did, but like Logan's a perfect example.
I think you brought. You watched Halloween
20/18/2018. I don't know if I want to Yeah,
I want to say it. I think it's better than the

(01:45:33):
original. You had a #2 on your original, I
think. I think I was wrong because I we
watched Halloween 78 and 2018 last year. 2018 is way better.
I can see how it would be betterfor a, for a modern audience.
Yeah, good. It's such a good horror movie.
It's brutal. It's violin, but it also has a

(01:45:54):
lot of good connections, like mate characters.
No other horror movie has that. Like there's there's background
characters that I actually care about.
They don't really do that with most.
I don't know, I guess I'm going to show my horror newbie stripes
here. Which one was 2018?
I had it as a number 3, but was that Rob Zombie reboot or was
that that was the one Lori Strode?

(01:46:14):
That was the first one in the the trilogy of Lori Strode ones
that came out recently. OK.
All right. Yeah, no, I really like that
one. Yeah, that was that.
Was a good one too and we all had it very highly rated I
think. This is my top three I.
Think you know what? I had a two.
You had a three. Logan had a two.
You had a three. I had a three.
This is going to go into my hot take.

(01:46:35):
I think that they should have killed the Loomis off in this
movie and that Halloween 6 should have been what 2018 was.
Bring back Jamie Lee Curtis likeyou always had planned to bring
her back and have it be her coming back to society with
Michael Myers somewhere out there waiting for her without a

(01:46:59):
Loomis to protect her. Because that was the big thing
of the first one. And the second one that I think
kind of broke Jamie Lee Curtis'slike, thing is, yes, she fought
off Michael Myers, but if it wasn't for Loomis, she would
have died. Yeah.
So without a Loomis, how is she going to go up against the big
bad Michael Myers? I'll tell you what, eventually
we're going to cover Halloween 6because it is one of my

(01:47:19):
favorites. So just at some point we'll
cover 2018, which is a way better myth.
You're gonna lose your only support on Halloween 6.
Dang. I don't need support Brett's
Law, I'm by. Myself, one man army.
I'm a one man army. You're inevitable.
I'll tell you what I I am a, youknow, one of our buddies, Phil
from the spook house. He loves Halloween 6 too.

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So well. Maybe bring him in as a guest?
Yeah, yeah. Member of Madness.
And, you know, other hot takes. I actually have a hot take.
My hot take is Halloween. Resurrection is better than
Halloween 5. I agree.
Bullshit. You.
Guys, alright, I can't support that.
They are. Bullshit.
They are essentially the same movie and that they successfully

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killed this franchise off, you know, for several years.
There's one movie that successfully killed off this
franchise, and it did it a lot earlier than Halloween 5, and
its name is Halloween 2. Which is cause 'cause because it
you know it, it's it's sparked 3.
You know what? Halloween.
Resurrected Halloween. 5 right Halloween 2 sparked 4-5 and six

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gotta go. Woo.
Charlie on your ass I will. And how can?
I can't believe the other take Tyra Banks I threw up in my
mouth. A little bit how?
Can you go against Tyra Banks? Dad Fresh.
Tyra Banks is in listen. Listen.
The fresh fentanyl. Busta Rhymes versus this Tina
character. They just 4.
Signs. Yeah, you're telling me that a

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movie with Busta Rhymes dressed up as Michael Myers?
Dan, more and more. Parking orders at the Michael
Myers is is, is not. Might have to cover resurrection
in Ohh. I'm gonna pick it now because of
how much you ate it. Alright, we're out of the hot
hole of sleep. What are we even talk?

(01:49:10):
So upset. This feels like a thing if our
real fans remember the Thing episode. 4 Logan.
I might start looking for a new place to live, buddy.
I don't know what's worse. You.
Don't. Live in the stores with Michael
Myers Halloween Resurrection. You might be looking for a new
residence you're in. The rats and the fennel The

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Thing episode was pretty controversial too.
The fresh fennel thing episode you guys hate.
How? How can you hate fresh fennel?
Our Hall of Slain are charactersthat have died in the movies
that we review that would help us get through and survive a
horror movie because we are the final girl.
Are there any characters from Halloween 5 that you would like

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to nominate? And let me just say right off
the bat, Billy from Halloween 5 is already in our Hall of slain.
He was voted in in our episode 6My Bloody Valentine's.
And I take him out. No, because he died because he's
not in your wing. He's in my wing.
He's in all of her. Stop the wing, not you.

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Put him down in my wing. Speaking of which, I'd like to
bring this very important point here.
I'd like to do something different tonight, guys.
I don't really have a candidate to nominate to like our big Paul
of Slain. However, I got a dead ringer for
the Logan Wing and I nominate Tina to the Logan Wing.
Dina, no, you don't. Get that?

(01:50:32):
I was going to nominate Tina to our wing.
Wow, I'll put Tina and Logan's wing.
You don't get to pick who goes. My wing he would.
She would work great with the frog.
You don't get to pick. No, I, I veto.
It's my wing. You can't put him or.
It's a what about? Rachel, could she come into our?
Can I? Yeah, yeah.
Rachel List. Yeah.
Let's put Rachel. Yes, I want Rachel.

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Rachel. God.
Rachel. All right, Nathan.
Gavel sound. I have Charlie the cop.
I'll take him. Between Rosie Wing.
He was the cop that defended. I had him written down in Miami
as my. Yeah, no, CC put Charlie in
there, Yeah. Yeah, Charlie.
Yeah. All right, let's bring Charlie
in because I thought he was brave.

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Wasn't he the cop in like a homealone or something?
He was the. He was.
He was an Ace Ventura. Oh yeah, that's right, he was.
All right, gavel sounds, so we have.
His points. Bonus points.
It's the way Rachel and Charlie,the mouse man to swing.
And Tina? No.
No. I have someone in my wing

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already. Oh oh.
They'll give me Max a dog. Dog.
Give me the dog. The dog knew Michael Myers was
coming. We need someone.
I. Think the dog might be a good
enter into our. Yeah, I want to put a dog, put
him in the. Other.
OK, Yeah. I.
Think that's the Dobie man? He knew what was going to.
Know who was coming. He was a guard dog.
He did the best that he could do.

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They didn't listen to him. That's not his.
It was bullshit they didn't listen.
To dog. No, he was so.
He was so Tina right away. He was in the fucking.
Or was it Rachel? It was Rachel.
He was in the both. Of them.
You told both of them? Yeah.
This is why I love dogs. All right, Max, get a gavel
song. Gavel Song.
Now here's the other question. The deputies.

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The cops. They're they're.
They. They're all I just.
Wanted. Someone in their own horn.
Nathan. Nathan.
They knew they were in the Logan.
It was. It was faded.

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In 1989, they knew they would bea Logan swing.
From. Nathan, please play the sound
before they enter. My.
Yes, I play a man Kleinhorn. So wait, you guys have Rachel,
we have. Wait a minute.
Wait. Sorry, all of us.
Oh, sorry, I misspoke. Guys, we have.

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I think Logan's got to rely on his.
We have Rachel at. This point, there's no point.
We have Rachel. Wing all the we have.
Agony. It's Utah, Fred.
Willard isn't going to be leading the charge.
Then what's the point of having a wing, you know?
I'm utilizing them. Rachel, we had to blow out a
whole different wing for Logan. We got we still got construction

(01:53:30):
crews working. Hey, look, man, it's OK.
Because you know, I know we, I messed up with the Statue of
Liberty. I'm giving you guys something
new to bring to the all right team.
So just to verify, we have Rachel, Charlie and Max coming
to the mouth of the top. 3. That's a good I.
Feel good. About.
That's a triple. Press and Logan's.

(01:53:51):
We have food, the cops and Tina.Yeah.
No, not Tina. Tina, we're gonna.
We're gonna. Force Tina in with the cops.
You're running with the cop car.You guys shoved Tina back in
there. I don't want her.
Oh man. I don't get the Tina.
Hey, I don't get it. I.
Liked it. Hey, I like Tina Call.
She's hot. No, how about that?

(01:54:11):
What? It's Tina hot?
She's. Not bad looking, yeah.
She's not bad looking, she just come on ineffective.
Easy only. What did Tina do?
She sucks. Can't we have cannon fodder?
I mean, do we want Samantha too,like the other devil girl?
Yeah, I'm my she. Didn't seem that useful though
she had very low utility. She's hot.

(01:54:31):
I don't like her as much as the girl from my idle hands.
No. We only need, we only have one.
Spot we. Got Rachel.
Hot Devil. Rachel.
We got Rachel. Yeah.
Rachel's. Oh yeah, Rachel.
Yeah. They ever seen?
Oh, God. Well, no, Rachel's been
Halloween for any time. She.
She tipped my tip. What was?
She tickled my tip well. Tickled my tip.

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That's what Dan said. The original.
One was. Well, yeah, what was the
original 1? Tickled his thorn.
I'm. Teasing my.
Teasing my thorn, I'm thorny. Teasing is teasing my tip in
your life. You're like 40 minute wait.

(01:55:17):
Teasing is more of a is more of a sex thing.
All right, we're on to our favorite second hook, line and
stinker and crazy tonight. This is what this movie does.
Brings people together. Right brings families together,

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the speeds. And that.
Old Lady Logan is now homeless. After his resurrection.
That old lady sores of resurrection, bringing families
together and that old lady that has dementia.
Can we nominate her to the LoganWing?
She didn't die. The Frog Brothers aren't dead.

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That's. Only the wheelchair to Logan's
Wing. Mrs. Tower.
The party animal. She was involved in the orgy
later on, whether she wanted to or not.

(01:56:28):
Oh, Michael, this is a darker movie that we thought we got to
the bottom of it tonight. I'm glad we did.
I'm glad we did. What about the old guy?
He had entrepreneurship skills. Can't.
Breathe. Michael My.
Talk about that you're talking. About he was.

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He was running a. Problem running a touch and
blow. That's why he fucked him up.
Oh my God, I need a breather. Our hook is our favorite kill of

(01:57:22):
the movie, our line is our favorite line or quote in the
movie, and our stinker is something funny, awful or weird
that happens that makes the movie either better or worse.
My hook is Michael getting in the garden right to the head.
But first it was him fucking with Michael and hitting the
car. That was the worst.

(01:57:44):
There's only one Michael big enough.
I know I'm. That beautiful.
Yeah, I love that scene. You don't like that he was using
his name and that he didn't likethat he was very messing with
people? My line, me and Logan I think
are going to share the same linehere as Loomis.
I prayed that he would burn in hell, but in my heart I knew
that hell. Would not happen.

(01:58:06):
Hell would not have him. Hey bro, Loomis was on his bag
with that wine. It was a great It's probably the
best line. Loomis has had to put this in a
rap song because my God, dude, he dropped bars in that.
I got another line. Cookie Woman.
Cookie Woman. Cookie.
Woman that's on everyone's. I mean, this is cinema.

(01:58:29):
Cinema my stinker. I mean, I know there's stinkers
like Michael crying and et cetera, but the the stinker is
Max dying because I don't like dogs dying.
No, and that's my worst thing with Michael Myers.
He is. He kills dogs.
Fuck. Bastard.

(01:58:50):
Fuck, I'm OK. You know what though?
I'm OK with Billy. I draw the line with with dogs,
right? No, I could Gin and Billy.
I'm OK with people. But like dogs and Ant?
Yeah, no. Plus big dogs like yeah, he
kills. What's the German Shepherd in
the original? I don't remember what the name.
Was like, you know what's funny,as Chucky talks about in the

(01:59:11):
show, he's like anyone under theage of 6.
We're not gonna we're not gonna kill anyone over that.
We're we're good with right, Like and that's all I feel I'm
like anyone lower than six, you know, but like, I don't know,
kids are are a tough subject, but dogs, animals.
Can't wait for the next episode.Oh.
Yeah. Dan, how about you?
My hook is the same as yours, it's Mike's death.

(01:59:33):
I love how Michael antagonizes him first by scratching the fuck
out of his car and then drives agarden claw right into his face.
I think it's the most visceral kill of the movie besides maybe
the pitchfork. Those are the two to me.
Those are the 2 kills that standout the most.
Line Loomis. Sensible.
I'm never sensible. If I can help it.

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Which is basically like the slogan for this movie.
My stinker is Jamie not being able to talk her little temper
tantrums in the way she says Tina.
Tina. Tina So my hook, I like the
pitchfork barn, I call it. I call it the Barn Bash, where
Michael just slays those awful high school kids, do you think?

(02:00:22):
Spitz was inside of Samantha when that happened.
I'm pretty, I'm pretty. Sure way to go out I'm.
Pretty sure they could be classified as mid coitus when
Michael Myers decided to join inand I don't know I think.
I'd take that way out. It really made it a devil's
tree. Oh, I.
Mean the devil's thing. So the pitchfork barn bash I
thought was pretty cool for my hook.

(02:00:44):
The line I had was just because of the confusion of it when she
was laying in the coffin. And she goes.
Uncle Boogie. Man, let me.
See, let me see, Uncle you're. Just like me.
And then you're just like me. And it's like, all right.
All right, what's? Happening, but yeah, what?

(02:01:05):
Are we doing here? And then he takes off his mask
and tears and all right, whatever, and.
It's pretty much it's a. Direction And then my stinker
was that there was just no strong final girl and I thought
Tina would have been a good final girl and I'm sad they
didn't utilize her as that so. I was just about to say to Dan
about Tina. She kind of reminds me of the

(02:01:26):
thing in Ocarina of Time. Hey, Luke.
Hey, listen. Listen.
Oh the the fairy. Yeah, the fairy, yeah, that God
damn fairy, man, that she used to piss me off.
I had to turn off like the volume because he would just
listen, just yelling at me, like, shut off, man.
Stupid thing. My hook is Charlie's death.

(02:01:48):
I'm surprised no one else said that one.
I really liked that one. Oh yeah, Where he threw him.
Off, yeah. That.
Was pretty brutal. Charlie's a big dude.
Yeah, Charlie tried too. He.
Yeah. Yeah.
Logan, You. You I actually liked when
Michael came through the fucking.
Yeah. I was just about to say, like,
slam through the door. I'm like, oh, man, this is
Michael Myers, man. That was like Jason, straight

(02:02:10):
up. Yeah, it was.
I have wine. This is it in its entirety.
I've. I've quoted it many times, and
I'm going to quote it again. Michael.
It'll destroy you too one day. Michael.
It's rage which drives you. You think if you kill them,
it'll all go away. It won't.
You have to fight it in the place where it's strongest,

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where it all began, if you want to get rid of this rage.
Michael, go home, go home. Go.
Home. Go to your house.
I shall be there waiting for you.
You'll find no waiting for you. It's the worst line, but I It's
just so funny how he's hidden away in the woods.
Like when this is kind of walking around like he can't see

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him, like you can see him. He's very physical.
Like he's wearing a white mask. According to Don Shanks too,
Loomis came to his trailer and and knocked on the door and said
hey, I really want you in the woods while I do.
This. Michael, I mean, Don, we're an

(02:03:15):
idiot in the woods. We're going to just imagine.
Do this thing whether they want to do it or not, we're.
Going to do this thing, yelling at you, you're going to agree to
it because, you know, I'm a Loomis.
Yeah. You know, we're going to run
this whole line. It's really bad.
But I I think the stinker, though, here's the thing.
Yeah. The crying, the dog, Yeah.

(02:03:36):
And even the plot itself is there, but you crossed the
goddamn line when you got rid ofthe best character.
Rachel's death was as pointless and dumb as this entire movie
was. It entirely destroyed the movie,
and it wasn't there to begin with.
The budget of this movie is basically a bag of chips.
And they decided, hey, we're going to be on drugs the entire

(02:03:59):
time and we're going to be really drunk while making this
movie. And it shows because they killed
off Rachel. To your point, there was like a
huge party throughout this movie.
And you can actually go to YouTube tube and watched the
behind the scenes. They they had like numerous
parties and hotels and stuff with Danielle Harris is a little

(02:04:19):
girl like in this. So it seemed like a big party.
It's kind of a cool thing that they were so close in this
movie. But you know, and the honorable
mentions, because I'm going to go off of Logan's, Rachel's
death is a stinker for me. I mean, the crying is the
honorable mention for me for stinker.
I would have the officer's death.

(02:04:41):
I really like you like them. I thought that was.
I thought that was a cool shot of them, of her finding them
dead. Yeah, which is, I mean, you
don't see the death, but it's the it's the aftermath I like.
We're on to our final rating. They're.
Going to rain the movie, Where will they rain the movie?
The killer's grain, the victim'sin between.

(02:05:05):
What was that? If this is your first time
listening, we have a three tier rating system.
Killer is the top, Survivor is our middle tier.
And finally, the dreaded victim for me.
You look like you look like you're out of jaws.

(02:05:25):
You're like bumbling your words around.
I'm like Quint, for me, Hooper, I'm going to give this a
survivor drives the boat. Listen, I don't think this is a
great movie by any means, but for me it's entertaining.
And there is stuff to like in this.
Yeah, there's bad stuff like Michael crying and everything

(02:05:47):
else and Michael going down the the log flume and things like
that. But you know that it is
entertaining. And I mean, I wouldn't
necessarily recommend this movie, but like, again, if it's
on on, I'll watch it. If I'm going to watch all the
Halloween movies, I got to watchit.

(02:06:07):
And this does get me to 1 of my top movies.
The 6th one, which again, is very controversial, but it gets
us to that. So I got to give it a survivor.
I don't think it's a victim because I think they do try
stuff new, like Bear Claw was saying, you know, this isn't
cookie hunter stuff. They try stuff out-of-the-box.

(02:06:28):
Does everything work? Yeah, right.
This isn't Cookie woman. Does everything work?
No, not at all. But I think it is entertaining
enough to get her survivor 'cause I don't think it's a
victim. Like, like, I get it, it's one
of the most hated in the series,but I don't hate it as much as
Resurrection. Dan, how about you?

(02:06:49):
This movie is getting a victim for me.
It is not good and is one of theworst in the series.
I put the blame solely on Mustafa Akkad, the director and
the writer for having no plan orreal direction or story after
squashing the setup that was left for them on the 4th one.
This movie left the franchise ina bit of shambles after its

(02:07:13):
making and credit to the director of 6 for creating
something out of that rack that 5 left for them and for the most
part isn't a terrible movie. The only thing that's actually
terrible about Halloween 6 is the fact that they chose
supposed to carry over any of the storyline from Halloween 5.
It's really the only thing that sucks about 6:00.

(02:07:34):
And it's just the stench of five.
The stench of five. Because yeah, the third act is
the worst and that's where it's the most thorn centric.
Everything else, the first act and the second, everything that
leads up to that is, is classic.Like to me reads like a
Carpenter Halloween. This one reads nothing like a

(02:07:55):
Carpenter Halloween to me. He has none of the real elements
of Carpenter Halloween. It's just a parody of what
Halloween 78 like this is a clown show and Halloween 78 is
going to the theater. Bear Claw.
So I'm going to stick with my original 1 on this.
I think it's a survivor. They tried, they tried, they

(02:08:17):
tried some interesting things. It didn't all work out, but I
think there was some interestingideas.
I think anybody who's really interested in Halloween and the
mythology of it should read Taking Shape as well.
I would be the member to recommend reading a book with
watching a movie but. No, no.
But I think I think it gives yousome important insights on to

(02:08:39):
where the movie went wrong and kind of kind of shows you the
process more than a lot of the other entries in that book do.
And it kind of shows how the process, how, you know, many
cooks kind of spoiled the Stew here.
But I still think this is a fun movie to watch.
I think there's a lot of good characters.
I think it's still entertaining and there's still some genuinely

(02:09:01):
scary moments. And seeing Loomis really
unhinged, I think is worthwhile.I don't think it puts it in a
killer, but I think it puts it in survivor.
I think, you know, I think it's an important part of the the
Halloween legacy. And I think that if you really
want to experience the Halloweenfor all the good and the bad,
it's in a central watch. So I I'd put it safely in the

(02:09:23):
the mid tier survivor. Logan victim.
Yeah. Terrible.
The worst horror movie. Yep.
All right. Well, I, I have nothing else to
add. Nathan, our producer gave his
rating and he said in our Cult of Thorn episode of Straight
Tracker talk, I said I don't think this movie has redeeming
qualities. I stand by that victim.

(02:09:46):
Thank you. Nathan, so me and you bear claw
against the world here. We also asked you, our audience,
for your thoughts on Halloween 5The Revenge of Michael Myers
from Twisted Soulmates podcast. Words cannot describe how how
much we hate Tina. Oh my God.

(02:10:06):
However, I right. On right.
On a good bad movie in our opinion, Low end survivor
bearing law, we got another. I know.
The under score Elm under score St. under score warrior under
score. I love Halloween 5 it's just
hilariously bad but such a good time from it was under score the

(02:10:30):
boogeyman unapologetically. I can't say that word.
Don't say that word. Love this one and curse me too.
Holy shit. Or people just.
I love it I. Love curse Curse is great.
Yeah, curse this one. The scary movie project.
It's not great. Made too hastily after a great

(02:10:52):
part 4. Terrible mask.
I do love the ending at the jailthough.
Wow From dissect that film pod. The movie is a mess.
That mask is atrocious. They kill off one of the best
characters first thing. Yes and they made the main
character a mute for 80% of the movie.

(02:11:12):
Wow, really hit the. These are our people over.
I never you know, and not being part of the Halloween like, or
at least I I until my latest fanfiction hits the the not having
been an intricate part of the Halloween community, I I never
never knew that this movie had this much hate.

(02:11:33):
The fact that it does a terriblejob at continuing what happened
at the end of four really solidifies how forgettable and
skippable this entry is. Lastly, I like Tina.
She gets so much hate, yet she'sthe only character who brings
anything to this bore of a moviefrom modern Monstrous.

(02:11:54):
I know I've seen this because I marathoned all the old ones
because the reboot came out, buteven after reading the Wikipedia
synopsis I can't for the life ofme remember a single thing about
it. Victim.
Wow. Well thank you all so much for
your comments. Halloween 5 is considered one of
the worst, but I'm glad there's some that don't mind this one.

(02:12:19):
If you're interested in commenting on any of the movies
we review, go to our Instagram page at mouse dot of dot Madness
or write to us at the Padded room@outlook.com and we'll read
them off at the end of our next episode.
Yeah, why don't you shoot me an e-mail and tell me all about why
you think this is the worst Halloween or why you think it's

(02:12:42):
it's at least has some redeemingqualities.
And also feel free to throw in any hate for Halloween too in
there. Always enjoy reading that
because that that's the one thatreally ruins.
You won't find much hate for that one though, unfortunately.
Before we end in the episode, wewant to embrace the madness and
let you all know what we've beenup to.
Logan and me just watched Ernestscared stupid.

(02:13:06):
Classic. Great intro.
Yeah, Logan's first time watching it.
I didn't watch it probably in 30years.
I mean, it's been a while. A lot of it was kind of like,
but the last 20 minutes were balls to the wall like.
Yeah. Shit, right.
That was awesome. Yeah.

(02:13:26):
That was the last 20 minutes were like the entire movie.
I mean, I still gave it five stars because it was the last 20
minutes. It was great.
If you haven't watched it, that's like, that's like the
stupid Avengers, you know, like that's like basically the end
game of the Earnest universe. Yeah, it was great.
I also watched a new Shutter original called Night of the
Reaper, which I highly recommend.

(02:13:48):
It was really good. It was a modern slasher with A
twist. I actually went on the It's
Slays podcast for their Now Slaying episode, so that should
be out soon if not already. But yeah, I highly recommend
checking it out. It has a lot of Halloween vibes,
so it's cool. Halloween.

(02:14:08):
Dan, how about you? I have been reading a book that
Logan lent out to me couple weeks ago coming off of me
catching the 89 Batman and Batman Returns at the theaters.
He he let me out this book called Batman Resurrection and
it's basically a continuance of the story of 89 Batman minus,

(02:14:30):
you know, Batman Returns and so.Was it teasing or was it
tickling? Teasing really, I'm really
enjoying it. 89 Batman is so fresh in my head.
So like all the characters that they're referencing come to
mind. Like one of the Jokers henchman
is now no Bobby dead. It's the other one.

(02:14:52):
He's like the head of the crime family now and then there's a
new villain that I'm currently in the process of of learning
about. It's going to be Clayface.
Yeah. Which I'm like excited about
because ever since the animated series came out in that episode
with Clayface in it, that was like the best and episode and I
was like. A Clayface movie.

(02:15:12):
Are they really? Yeah, they're making a Clayface
movie directed by or it's written by Mike Flanagan, OK.
Really interesting. Interesting.
Yeah, Mike Flanagan's writing it.
James Watkins, who's the director of Speak No Evil, is
the director of it. So it's gonna be, it's gonna be
cool, cool horror movie Clayface.
Reading this though, and like how they're describing the

(02:15:35):
Clayface character themselves. Like I'm just like, I don't know
how that would read on film likein the 80s, like at Yeah, 89,
you know what I mean? I think the person who wrote the
book really, really loves the comics.
Yeah. Like it's a person that read the
comics exclusively and watched the 89 Batman.

(02:15:57):
And then kind of just wove together, yeah.
Because you gotta kind of have to with that.
Yeah, it's, it's, I'm enjoying it about I'm about halfway
through it now. That's basically what I've been
up to. I've been reading that book as
well. I've been audio booking it.
It's absolutely fantastic book. If you like the 89 Batman, it's
worth a read. I mean.
The second one is coming out in a couple weeks.

(02:16:19):
Oh man, that's awesome. Yeah, no, it's really, it's
really fantastic. If you if you really like the 89
Batman, then I would highly recommend it as well.
And just the places it goes. I'm also reading a horror book
about artificial intelligence. I, I don't know, you get a
horror science fiction, it's kind of in there, but it's
called The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect and I would

(02:16:41):
highly recommend it. I think it's free online, but
you can also. I bought it because I was really
enjoying it, but definitely worth a read, especially if
you're interested in the singularities and some of the
horrors and things that may comeabout because of it.
It's just an excellent book. Is it is it a newer book or is
it an? It came out, it was written in
1994, but it came out and was finally published online in

(02:17:05):
2002. But I don't know, it's really
kind of interesting because it'sscarily similar to some of the
stuff that we're seeing. And, and it kind of, it talks
about what would happen if an A and it's very twisted.
It's a very twisted book. Don't go into it thinking it's
like a clean science fiction book because it kind of goes
into what would happen if the singularity hit, which is

(02:17:27):
singularity for those who might not know, is described is the
point when like AI takes over. Essentially, it kind of
theorizes a post singularity world and like a post scarcity
kind of world. And it's really, really
interesting what kind of plays out.
And you know, everybody's wildest dreams come true, but
there's a lot of dark wildest dreams out there.

(02:17:48):
So it's really interesting and Iwould highly recommend it all.
Right, Logan, I really haven't watched anything or like I've
been doing watch alongs for likemy film studies class, but those
movies are really I had watched Citizen Kane for the first time.
Yeah. That was not fun.
Yeah, it's pretty. I don't I don't think it holds.
I don't watch. I like I get the like the film

(02:18:11):
shot aspect of it, but like. Yeah, it's really bad.
It's really bad. I'd watch Singing in the Rain
too. And that's also like, I hate
musicals, so that made me just. I do have to watch Psycho this
week. I'm excited to watch this.
I'm excited to rewatch Edge Claw.
I'm after watch her episode again, watch that.

(02:18:33):
But the big thing that I do wantto get into is music.
I have become an artist. I've actually worked on some
stuff that I'm very proud of. It's me music, but it's from the
heart. Yeah.
Promoted. Yeah, I have my first album.
It's out everywhere. It's called Plan B by John Doe,
spelled out DOUGH. It's all capitalized and I have

(02:18:58):
a single out called Crowbar. Listen to both on pretty much
everywhere. If you are on Spotify, when you
get a vinyl, you have the A sideor B side.
Plan B is the A side and I have AB side, which is only on
Spotify right now, which is called Act 2.
If you have Spotify, it's only there right now, but go listen

(02:19:18):
to it. 6 songs there 8 songs on the first album.
But yeah, it's. Awesome.
Pretty hard work. I have a couple more music in
me. I think, like other albums,
should be out by the end of the month.
Nice. So yeah, yeah.
Go check our boy Logan out. Yeah, I'm Hulk Hogan right now.
I'm getting over brother. Yeah.
Hulk. Logan for sure.

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let him know what's your favorite Halloween movie in the
franchise. Yeah, let me know.

(02:20:21):
Let me know what your thoughts are on it and and let me know
again which one's your favorite.I mean rank them, just know your
ranks because we have all of ourranks set up already and you
know, I'm curious to see where each one falls because I think
there's some real winners and there's some real tough watches
in the mix here. So, you know, but I want to
hear, I want to hear what your tough watches are and I want to

(02:20:42):
see which ones you think win therace so.
Now I'm not saying this one was my favorite, but I I do
appreciate that you did pick it for us because it was a fun
episode even though I did viscerally hate it.
I truly love shitting on this movie.
I do too, Dan. Let's do another Halloween movie
soon. Maybe not resurrect, maybe not

(02:21:02):
for a while. Maybe let it, maybe let it rest
for a little bit. That does it for a review on
Halloween 5, The Revenge of Michael Myers.
But we'll be back soon with another episode.
And we're going to be celebrating Halloween and our
two year anniversary with a review of Stephen King's Pet
Sematary. Oh man, join us as Mad Tober

(02:21:26):
2025 continues. But until then, back to the
padded room with you. Oh man, what a great party here
at the Tower Farm. Let's get into our car.
Kim Capella was awesome, guys. Great, so many panties were
thrown. God, is that Billy over there in
the shrubbery? God damn it.
Let's get out of here, guys. Oh, wait a minute.

(02:21:47):
Who's that in the car there? He's got the high beams on us.
It looks like he's wearing some kind of mask.
Oh God, can't be. Oh my God, He's coming towards
us. Oh my God.
Billy, Billy, Billy. Help us.
Oh my God, Billy BMX jumped right over the.
Car. Oh my God.

(02:22:09):
Oh no, Billy, I really underestimate.
You guys the the Hall of Slain would work out for us and save
our lives. Wow, I really underestimate him
guys. Wow, we get to live another day.
I got to hear though all. Right back to the battery room
with you. Thank you, Billy.
For all that she did, thank you.For your time.

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