47. Pet Sematary (2 Year Anniversary)

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Ohh man, digging these holes is harder than I thought it was
going to be. I just can't believe both of
them are dead. Are they Michael Myers?
He just chased them into the middle of that rod.
He. Just, and he just ran them down
right in the middle of that road.
He told him to stay out of that road.
Yeah. God damn road, I'll get you out
in the middle of nowhere. His rod is so deadly.
You know what? This is enough.

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This is enough. Let's not, you know, just put
some rocks on them. Yeah, this'll be fine.
This is good enough. It's late or whatever, you know.
This will definitely they'll definitely come back to life.
We'll be able to get our show going.
But in the meantime, do you wantto do you want to go grab a
beer? Yeah, let's grab.
We'll leave him as no. Beer.
Yeah. Tell him to meet us in the dunge
of the Dune. Here's here's one of them.
Yeah. Yeah, Logan, he's a heavy

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motherfucker for such a little. Bit of the whole let's go strap
this up, I got places to be. All right, stones on them there.
All right, all right, all right.It's Miller time.
Fuck you. So you are a ransom now?

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Welcome to the madness. We are the Mouths of Madness,
your new favorite podcast for horror movie reviews.
We're coming to you live tonightfrom the Dungeon of Doom.
This is our episode 47 on the 1989 Stephen King's Pet
Sematary, and it's our two year anniversary.

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My name is Kevin and let me let let me introduce you to the
other members of Madness first. We have brains.
I mean, Dan. Dan, so glad to see you here for
our anniversary. Bear claw, you see in this shit,
it it actually fucking worked. I couldn't believe it.

(02:15):
He's back. We're back.
They're. Back.
We're back. Yeah, we're back.
I'm so happy to be back, guys. Oh yeah, we're all here
reunited, especially after your untimely deaths.
You know, we had Bruce Springsteen in the sea today.
Born in the US. Next we have the Lord of the 5th
dimension. It's Bear Claw.
Hey, how's everybody doing today?

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You know, I'm just going to put a couple more of these air
fresheners on you, Kev. It's quite pungent, some of the
smells that are going on. Don't worry, they gave us a good
discount on these guys, so feel free to use them liberally.
Finally, we have the youngest him, most vulnerable member of
madness, Logan. Logan, take this scalpel here.

(02:58):
Take this scalpel. What is wrong with you, man?
You got back from the grave and ever since then you've been a
little bitch. You know?
We're back in the dungeon and doom.
I'm feeling just fine, guys. Right.
I look perfect. I look like I haven't aged
today. I mean, you are.
Missing an eye and. Your brain is you might want to
just push that guy back in there.
Yeah, I think we're good. Yeah.

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Should be good to go. You guys look awesome.
Yeah, we're just going to move past it all.
Right. There are a lot of other great
horror movie podcasts out there,but what separates us from the
other ones is that we're going to be giving you the older
versus younger generation perspective.
Myself, Dan, and Bear Claw were all born in the 1980s, while my
son Logan was born in the 2000s.So this is the clash of the

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generations. Without any further ado, don't
go in the road. Stay out that road now.
Stay. Out the road now.
Pull up a rocking chair, hold onto your pets and children tight
and let's the rug and let's diveinto the madness.
We watch Stephen King's Pet Sematary from 1989.
It was written by Stephen King. It was directed by Mary Lambert.

(04:07):
This is based on the book Pet Sematary by Stephen King.
What I found kind of cool is this is one of his only movies
to be shot actually in Maine, where he lives.
I mean, he lives in Maine, doesn't he?
Like so many of his books that I've read, I haven't read this
book, but so many of his books all take place in like Derry,
Maine. Or Bangalore, yeah, in that.
Area. Yeah, all his movies look like

(04:28):
they're shot in Maine too. You know, I'm surprised they're
not. They look like they are like
Salem's Lot. Looks like it's in Maine or
Massachusetts area. Well, this is actually in Maine.
Casting wise, we have Dale Midkiff as Lewis Creed.
Do you know what he's best knownfor?
He's I think it works. He always play like the abusive
husband in like a lot of like lifetime.

(04:49):
Of Lifetime movies, yeah. Feels like I feel like he had my
vibe of that guy is he always plays like the good looking but
like abusive husband in lifetimemovies.
Yeah, What I could find is he's mostly, like you said, a a
lifetime TV actor. He's best known for probably Pet
Sematary, but he did a show whenI've never heard of called

(05:11):
Dallas The Early Years, which was a spin off of the great show
Dallas in the 1980s. Wow, I've never seen either of
and. He's also known for playing a
zombie because he acts like 1. Oh, we also have Denise Crosby
as Rachel Creed. Do you know what she's best
known for? Yeah.
I'm gonna throw my nerd credit out here a little bit.

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She was on Star Trek Generationsand had and in one of the best
episodes, I think it was season 1, she dies.
She's like one of the first likeStar Trek people.
And it was just because Denise Crosbys didn't want to be in
Star Trek or there was like somecontract things.
She was like a mainline character in the show.
She wasn't like walk on, walk off.

(05:52):
She was like the security officer and Tasha Yar, I think
was her name. And she was like a mainline
character in Star Trek Next Generation.
But she got eaten by some evil ooze and there was a lovely
memorial to her. And under the Skin, I think it
was called, was the episode which was late in season 1.
Damn. Yeah, and she went out the way.

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We hope we all don't buy some, Yeah?
It was, it was an evil puddle ofgoo that was just like pure evil
because the race, the race, the race had shed all of its evil.
And it that's what that was, wasall of the races evil.
They became like awesome and they just left their gook on the
planet and it killed her. Gak all over.

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You bastards. Bastards.
Yeah, evil gak. Do you know any other
information about her? I do not.
Have you heard of Bing Crosby? Yes.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
That's her paternal grandfather.Oh wow.
And she also posed nude for Playboy magazine in 1979.
About it. Surprised she made Star Trek.

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I'm not it feels like just up her Ave.
Nico Hughes. As Gage Creed, do you know what
he's best known for? Freaking legend Kindergarten
Cop. Yes.
What else? Was that full house He was on
full house. He was OK.
Yeah, he was like one of the little kids that was always
playing with Michelle. Then something else too doogie.
Howser hanging with Mr. Cooper. Oh yeah, I remember him hanging

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with Mr. Cooper. And the one I know him from most
famously is he was in Wes Craven's New Nightmare.
That's the one. That's the one that was
escaping. Me a little 7th degree of
separation here. I think that's what they call
it, right? 6th Degree. 6th Degree. 7th
Degree. 6th degree, whatever. Six and seven.
Phil. Phil.

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Sixes and. 7. The special effects artist on
this movie, or one of them, was David Leroy Anderson.
Isn't he married to Heather Langenkamp?
Yes, he is. They run their own special
effects company, and that's kindof a cool thing.
That is cool. It's awesome.
Hey. Heather Langenkamp also starred
in Wes Craven's New Nightmare. And she must have recruited him.

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Yeah, the effects are pretty good in this movie, so that all
tracks. Yeah, finally, we have Fred
Guinn as Judd Crandall. Did he play Herman Monster?
Yes, he did, yeah. I was getting Herman Monster
vibes. Yep, that's his most famous
role. Fraud Pet Sematary had a budget
of $11.5 million. Do you know how much it made at

(08:24):
the box office? Stephen King movie I'm going to
go I mean, I think it was a popular movie.
I don't know a lot about the theactual movie and its
performance. I'm going to go with 30 million.
All right, I'll. Go a little bit higher, 38
million, all right. I actually went significantly
higher. I'm not sure if it's correct,
but I'm just going to say I think this made significant

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money. I'm going to say maybe 73
million. Math thing in my head right now.
This movie made $57.5 million so.
I think Logan. Logan was probably the closest.
Yeah. All right, Logan, we'll give it
to you out of like. Not they can take the yeah.
They. Can take the dual win, but yeah,

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I'll take. All right, so Dan gets the jet
skis, you get the trip to Perry.Yeah.
Oh no, wait, if Dan was 57 then.No, I was 73. 73.
You 2 are the closest. Well, that's right.
OK, Yeah. Yeah, price is right when?
You're over. You don't win the show all.
Right. All right, you're right.
So then, yeah, you're not. Allowed to You're not allowed to
participate in the showcase, Yeah.
Bryce has. Been.
The price is wrong. Bitch, those AI videos of Bob

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Parker make my week. Oh man.
Currently on Rotten Tomatoes, Pet Cemetery has a 58% Critics
score and a 60% audience. Really that love that.
Matches, but they're almost likeright on each other, yeah.
They're right on each other, right on the tip.
Speaking of teasing the tip. Oh God.

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Roger Ebert. There we go.
Let's hear it. What did the Ebert have to say?
So he didn't do a formal review of this movie in eight in 1989,
but he did review the remake in 2019.
And as a part of that review, hehe claimed that the 1989 pet

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cemetery was gross, stupid, and incompetently made, with a good
performance by Fred Gwynn as theonly notable element.
Wow, he really did. Another bad take, yeah.
I actually am going to say that was probably his most cumbersome
of rating of those. And for those wondering, he
rated the remake of Pet Sematary1 1/2 stars.

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Yeah, the tracks Yeah, Stephen King movies in the modern day
aren't doing so well since it. Well, let's give you all our
overall thoughts on Pet Sematary.
Dan, start us off. This movie is so nostalgic for
me. It's one of the first horror
movies I can remember watching as a kid.
There was a lot in it that terrified me.
I mean, the cat church freaked me out so much so that like, I,

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I was like skittish around cats and like, especially at night
time when their eyes like reflect the light and like the
glowing eyes, that that stuff bugged me out.
Judd was scary looking dude. Like, for like, you know, like
5-6 year old kid or whatever. Like he was scary looking dude
in the way he talked. That main accent had no idea
what he, he looked, he looked ghoulish himself.

(11:19):
Like he looked like a ghost. And he.
Yeah. He looks like Edward.
He looks like a Herman Monster. Like he really.
He just can't. He looks like a big farmer
though. I mean perfect for the part.
Yeah, Resurrected Gage was absolutely terrifying.
Still terrifies me after watching it again this morning.

(11:42):
Victor Pascal definitely looked away from him when he was on the
screen. But for me, I think the most
terrifying aspect of this movie for me when I was younger was
sister Zelda. Just that uncanny, emaciated
body, the face, the voice. As a kid like I, when she came
on, I'd I'd run out of the room.She can't find me here.

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I just like, Nope, noped out of that as I would say.
Like I watched it for the first time like in years this morning
and what I found was this is a movie that is trying to take
itself seriously and does a great job executing the tone,
the atmosphere, the gore, aesthetics.
And then someone lets out a wet fart and they're like, that's

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great. Let's leave that in.
Like the best example I can giveyou guys is the scene where Gage
gets hit by a truck. It's this very like intense
dramatic scene that's executed very well, except for the one
fact that Lewis is like, go on, run along.
Now I'm just going to turn my back now to have a laugh while
my children I instructed to run towards a Rd. runs into the road

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and then gets hit. It's like what are you like they
make in that scene? You've made every single
character look stupid by like doing that.
Like a much like Quiet Place. The family is literally facing
the road and they're watching the kid run into the road and no
one's like stop. No, like, hey, turn around.
Like like that's like, it just makes me like kind of snicker a

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little bit. It's like this seesawing of like
emotional reactions for me. It hit me hard thinking about
Lewis having to watch his son die a second time after going
through seeing how the first death really disrupts the whole
family dynamic. Just really good, strong
thematic stuff. And the kid actor lands this

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great death scene but then cracks his head on the door on
the way down and I start laughing again.
It's just there's just like a bit of that in this movie that
feels like there's like this unintentional brevity from
these, like, heavier moments. Which it needs.
Yeah, I mean rightfully so. It's a very very, very like
dark, depressing. Movie.
The book is more depressing now.Yeah, yeah, definitely.

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I haven't read the book myself, but I was like looking at
comparing notes with people likethat.
Covered it on YouTube and everything.
But to go back to what I was saying, I really love the makeup
and the gore effects in this movie.
Victor's head head wound still holds up to me.
It's like the most grotesque looking thing.
It's like wet. It's weepy.
Reanimated gauge is still creepy, as I was saying.

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And it's, it's such an impressive performance by like a
2-3 year old Miko Hughes. Yeah.
It's crazy to think that like wewere his age.
Yeah. Like.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Those are like my overall opening thoughts, like I really
enjoyed rewatching this movie. Bear Claw, what do you got?
So I'd like to open this up witha quote.
Horror movies don't typically scare me.
Thrill, yes, but scare? Rarely.

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But this one always gives me thewillies.
Bear claw you. Quoted this.
You scare. We're.
Charlatan. We got a new shirt coming to T
public fair father. Charlatan.
Yeah, this movie has always struck A chord with me and ever

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since I was younger and it's just one of those movies that
has always hit me in just all ofthe scary places and just really
scares the snot out of me. It's hard for me to watch, but I
guess in the best way. I've seen it a bunch of times
because if I ever wanted to, like, genuine feel fear, like
this movie is what does it to me.

(15:22):
Like, just every element of thismovie invokes some kind of not
pleasant emotion for me. And, you know, that's part of a
horror movie, right? I mean, I get that it's just a
movie, but even after I finishedwatching this movie, I'm always,
like, looking around and like, you know, it's just the whole
concept. I mean, I think on the face of
it, if you put it on paper, it probably wouldn't scare me.

(15:43):
Like, if you just, like, wrote down, like, this happens and
this happens and this happens. Yeah.
But I don't know. I grew up in a very rural area
when I was younger and like Indian burial grounds or
something that was always used to scare us off from different
places. Probably inspired by this book.
It was maybe a little bit more real of a thing to me
personally. So like this movie always struck

(16:04):
A chord with me of like, you know, don't go messing around in
places you shouldn't be messing around.
And so this movie and then, you know, Fred, Gwen as Herman Munt
or not as Herman Munster, but asJudd, he was awesome as Herman
Munster too. Don't get me, but as Judd
Crandall, I mean, he just reallysold everything and Pascal, who

(16:25):
was like the quote UN quote friendly ghost, you know, he
wasn't even the scariest part ofthis thing for me, but like the
sister. Oh, that terrified me.
Zelda like just the makeup effects and what they did to
make her look the way that she did and the fact that the
parents left an 8 year old with this with this like, you know,
clinically insane like person. They actually went and left an 8

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year old kid in charge of her dying sister, who was probably
clinically insane by then, who was just, you know, looked like
a corpse already. And it was just, oh, all of that
just terrified me. Terrifies me, I should say, in
present tense. Yeah.
So I mean, you know, even some of the parts where maybe, and I
can definitely see where other people are coming from, where

(17:10):
like, you know, when Gage falls down and hits his head, that's
kind of comic. But to me that like, I don't
know, that sells it so much morebecause it's not just I'm lying
down on the ground. Like if a person's going to
drop, they're not going to drop all like, it's like that.
Just hearing that thud like, oh,just drives me.
Yeah, you know, and just a little kid thing and and how

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terrifying he is and like, oh, Iwant to play with you and the
laughter, I mean. Yeah, the laughter.
The laughter kills me. And then the fact that, like,
the doctors kind of finally lostit.
And he goes and he's like, no, this is fresh now we're gonna go
bury my wife. It'll be great.
It's all gonna work out. Like, you can tell he's checked
out. Like he's gone.
Yeah. You know, he started out as kind
of like a strong silent type, but then morphed into just

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completely off his rocker. But that's what this kind of
thing will do to you, you know, like, so it really resonated
with me. You know, those those are just
kind of my, my opening thoughts.But yeah, I don't know.
This movie to this day terrifiesme so.
I want to ask you, Berger, you also saw this at a young age,
right? Like.
Yeah, I saw it at a young age and it scared me then and it
scares me now. It's funny because the first

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time I saw this movie wasn't until I was much older, and it
was actually the first movie allof us had sat down together and
watched in a room. Yeah.
We watched this. Yeah.
I remember Russell, I think. I don't remember.
It was the first time Logan was with us, too, like, we were all
together. And that was the first time I
saw Pet Sematary. Really.

(18:36):
Yeah. So I mean, it hit a little bit
different for me than you both because of that.
I think it not necessarily in a bad way.
It's just like, I can see how Zelda's terrifying, like even at
this age, like I don't want to be left alone.
With Zelda, imagine if that was just hanging out in the corner,
your room looking at you. I don't want to bear.

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She belongs in a Marilyn Manson video.
Yeah someones gotta edit that. The Dope Show.
There is a lot of this movie that I really like.
We talked about Fred Gwynns acting I think is really great.
His main voice I know is a lot for some, but to be honest I've
heard people who are from Maine that have a pretty thick accent.

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Yeah. He's pretty spot on with it,
yeah. No wrong.
Nobody's I live in Boston for a little while and nobody's
harsher on the main accent than Boston folks, especially on the
radio. Just I don't want to dicker with
you over this, but. They're the ones to be, yeah.

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Going over talking about throwing stones and glass
houses. And listen, I know I have an
accent myself, so I I totally understand.
You have an accent. Yeah, everybody's got an accent.
Everyone's got a little accent, right?
But we got a lazy man's axe. I I hate to say it, but between
him and the little kid, Miko Hughes, they were like the best

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actors and Oh yeah. Definitely.
And I hate to say it, but the thing I don't like about this
movie when the biggest things isthe father's acting and the
mother's acting. Like I did not like their acting
at. That's church, because it's like
Winston Churchill. You know, it's like the scenes
where like, he's supposed to be talking to his daughter and

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like, reassuring her and he's just like, help.
Kiss your own cat. Yes, like.
Yeah, ought to be fine. Or like when he's like on the
phone with his children and thenlike his little boy gets on the
phone and he just just like, stoned, silent.
Do you hate your kid? The perfect scene, too, is when
Church is dead and he's like, Yep, he's dead, all right, Yeah,

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OK, I can understand if you're trying to be a stone face to
hide your own emotions, but thiswas not it.
Like it was just. No, it was.
Weird. He wasn't conveying anything.
So I mean, that's like probably the biggest negative I have, you
know, Church actually the cat that the cat was pretty good at.
That was good. I believe the cat was undead.
You're a big fan of cats from Square 1, so yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think the thing with this movie is it's very

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dark. It's very depressing.
I mean, it has some of those themes throughout and Bear Claw,
like you said, a horror movie isn't always like for thrilling
and and fun. Like sometimes you do have
movies like Hereditary, for instance, for example, that they
want you to sit in that feeling throughout.
This is Pet Sematary. They want you to sit in this

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feeling throughout from the verystart, like something is off,
something is different. This isn't your normal, just
everyday life. This.
Isn't your mother's cemetery? Yeah, I mean, even the cemetery
itself is off. It's misspelled.
Yeah, right. I think what I appreciate most
about this is like what Dan was saying, the atmosphere that is

(21:50):
in this movie, because I think it is very horror and terrifying
and like the small town ruralness, bear claw like you
were talking about, that's scaryin itself.
Who are you going to go to for help?
You know, thankfully you have what appears to be a nice ghost
here trying to do the right thing.
Yeah, and I mean, like, to me, this is one of Stephen King's

(22:12):
scariest because he writes a lotof cool stuff.
I'm a big Stephen King fan, so Idon't want to come off like
saying like he's not a good writer or anything like that
because I think he's a fantasticwriter and I've read many of his
books that are awesome. I like, really love like
November 1963. That was one of my.
Favorite one? That was a really good book but
like this is like one of his scariest in my opinion.
Yeah, that's a good point. Like, is this one of the scarier

(22:36):
Stephen King movies? Yeah, it's.
It the book I just read it. I just finished it.
Terrified the shit out of me. I hate clowns.
But in fairness, the original, it was a long drawn out, Yeah,
because it was a it was. I refuse to watch the new one.
Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know, this might be like one of his
just scarier adaptations like Misery, too big screen that

(23:01):
that's cool to think about for sure.
Logan, how about you? What's your overall thoughts?
On Yeah, I was curious, have youseen this before?
I guess we watched this, I don't.
Yeah, we watched. I thought we just watched it,
you and me, like a while back, because I know I watched,
watched it. But I keep on thinking about the
quote that Bear Claw used. And you know what?

(23:21):
I gotta say that pretty much pretty much sums it up for me.
I like that you presented your own statement as ancient wisdom.
Yeah. Bear claw knowledge.
I would never do that to you here in Lannister over here.
I think for me, this movie brought up a lot of stuff that I
hate, and what I hate about it is like one of my big pet peeves

(23:44):
with horror movies. Keep the kids away.
I don't want to see. Kids in horror movies.
Whenever I see a little kid in ahorror movie, I pray to God that
they live because I don't want to see.
I don't want to see them die. I don't like when things are
creepy, like really like creepy like where I'm like, I'm not
afraid of it. I just hate it.
I hate the feeling of that and the idea of kids.

(24:06):
I don't like kids dying. You know, you play enough Call
of Duty zombies. You hear that kid laughing in
the corner. You get the hell out.
Like that old kid laughing soundis all over my feed now because
of the horror that you brought me into.
And I'm just, I hate it. I hate that sound.
And this movie is just like thattimes a million.

(24:26):
It's like, hey, we're going to make kids really creepy and
we're also going to kill like animals and stuff.
And I'm like, oh man, like, whatthe hell.
Like there's just, it's just like a stake through the heart.
Like like, I don't know why, butI don't necessarily love it, but
I understand why people do because it is a very compelling
movie. It's again what I like about

(24:47):
Stephen King. I think I'm not a huge fan of a
lot of his books. I like a couple.
What I think he does really goodis telling that tale of the mind
breaking like that break in the psychosis of your mind like and
I think he brings it into all ofhis movies like the Shining,
which is one of my favorite movies.
And this movie especially, especially even though it's

(25:09):
through the stone cold zombie ofLewis.
But I like the idea of that telling it tale from like a very
happy go lucky family to the very end.
I think it's really just an eye.It's an ironic ending to like
such like A twist in the story because it goes from like very
nice to very it goes from very bad.

(25:31):
I think for me what I like aboutthis movie is the
cinematography, which I don't think like a lot of people talk
about with this movie. I love then the very beginning
of the movie, it's all like niceand light and it's very like
it's very bright. And then like even as the movie
goes on, when it's, it's still like light out, it feels darker,

(25:51):
it feels brim out. It feels like there's like a, it
feels like a darkness over the camera.
Like it feels like it's dirtier.Like the light's not going to
protect them. And yeah.
Like, I think that's a very interesting way to compel that
story. And I think what's so
interesting is a lot of movies have taken that, but like with
horror movies we've watched, I've never really seen that
before and noticed it before until this movie.

(26:13):
I think because of the of the story that it goes under.
But I think what's so interesting is that there's so
many parts of this movie so good.
Like I think like another thing is I kind of like the music.
I kind of like the music. Like it's not.
It's not. Underrated.
It was a little bit Twin Peaks, like, yeah, it's what it kind of
reminded me of. It's.
Very underneath the radar, but it's still there to appreciate.

(26:36):
I will say my big gripe with this movie is the characters.
I didn't give a shit about characters except for the kids.
But once the kids got it and youknow, they don't care that much.
I'm curious on your point on thekids, because I think sometimes
horror movies will sometimes sort of kids in there to be
exploitative in the sense that like, oh, OK, we're going to
turn it up to 11. And at least I don't think that

(26:58):
this movie did that. And it was kind of real central
to the story, in my opinion. You're the same opinion or.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because I think that that was a big like the father just
completely breaking down. He was, you know, a doctor.
He could usually handle his stuff, but he was he.
He was completely broken when his son.
Yeah, there was. It was a, it was a plot device.

(27:20):
It wasn't used as like a shock value.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 'cause you're like
you said, it is the main story they're telling.
So it's not like they didn't do it for shock value, although
there is shock value, yeah. Oh, for sure, certainly.
Yeah, but it wasn't just to get the audience.
Yeah, it's part of the story. So they're.
Yeah, like him chasing that kite.
My heart goes into my throat, like, yeah.

(27:42):
Like I love like someone like the like the kite floating away.
Yeah, just some of the. Yeah, I think.
Some of the cuts they to like tolike symbolize things.
Yeah, so good. The cinematography for that too,
'cause I thought what was so interesting is the kite is so
bright, it's so brightly yellow.And then as soon as it like, as

(28:03):
soon as that happiness leaves, like the color drains from this
movie. Logan, I was just gonna say it's
funny you brought that up because it's like, that's really
the last quote, UN quote bright scene in the movie.
Yeah. Once that kid dies, boom it's
over. Like it is not happy.
Let's get into the movie a little bit, because I love how
going off of Logan's, it's bright and airy when it starts,

(28:24):
right? This, this family moves in new
beginnings, right? New house.
Yep, gonna cut the nuts off the cat I don't want.
Get his nuts cut, daddy. Yeah, I cut the nuts off the
cat. My biggest question right away
is this the most dangerous Rd. in America?
Yeah, that's one main road all right.
Oh yeah. Borrowing Turnpike pales in
comparison. 6 This is crazy, this road I mean.

(28:47):
Yeah, going back to like what wewere talking about with the
rural town and everything, it's like the local people too.
It's like they have nothing elseto talk about but that God damn
road and what and all the dangerand death it brings.
Like it's weird. It's like this cultural
monolithic thing that's a part of the community.
I felt that in a rural town because where I live there was a

(29:08):
salt mine and you always had to worry about the salt trucks.
Oh yeah, the. Salt trucks were always and it
was just like those trucks, likethey would just tear down there.
There's a lot of times, you know, they're just hauling and
you know, they're in rural, theyknow there's not going to be a
ton of cops, so they're just going to pedal a little metal
and it's like, whoa. Yeah, I mean this, this road,
they they can't go to like the police or anything and be like,

(29:28):
hey, we need. I would be at the town council,
Yeah, but I don't know you need.Something.
If that plant is like 90% of theemployment in the town though,
they might not. Well, the other thing too is I
didn't notice any regular cars driving down this road.
That's all semi here tankers. Right.
Yeah, tearing it. Too.
Like where was this? The road was like a main

(29:50):
thorough for trucks and then we get introduced to Judd who right
away saves the game. My friend not a nut Rd.
Judd is a national hero. We should be celebrating him for
this month. Well, let's not be too quick
about, yeah? Let's talk the break.
I do have questions on Judd, but.

(30:11):
Well, you know what, I I have answers.
Oh, oh, I mean, yeah. So you have this kind neighbor
and you get the the gun there, The Chekhov's Chekhov's gun.
Yeah, right away. The kids running into the
freaking Rd. Chekhov's child.
Yeah. Chekhov's Child Foreshadowing
for. What's And then, oh, what's down
that path? Yeah.

(30:31):
Oh. It's a long walk and a long
story, but I'll tell you and we'll walk it.
That's a good story and a good walk.
I'll take you up there sometime,tell you the story too.
He said like Rd. like 8 times inthat opening.
Yeah, I was like, I'm going to tell you this when I watched.
The road. The road.
Did we know how many times he said Rd.
Well, eleven times total. Wow, it's.

(30:53):
It's funny you bring that up. Not as much.
I'm a little disappointed. I was going to say this for a
bit later but I thought I was going to ruin the movie now for
Bear Claw because I did it for the Lost Boys with.
Michael, Michael, Michael, you're right.
I tried to get the exact number,he says Rd. throughout the whole
movie. Somebody on Reddit said I've

(31:15):
lost. I was count because Rd. is
turning into other words for me.Does he care a word too much?
And then it starts like bleedingthrough, right?
It became like something else cuz like you're saying man, you
counted 11. Yeah, just as much as I thought
it would be. It seemed like 30 times.

(31:35):
Yeah. I thought it was insane.
But I I could listen to him talk.
I could listen to him, like, read me a book.
Oh. Yeah, this.
Is audible. Audible, Ishmael.
So he brings them to the pet cemetery, right?
And he's explaining to him about, you know, what a cemetery
is supposed to be right away. Rachel, the mom is like, hey.

(32:00):
Hey, fuck you, buddy. Yeah, like shut up.
I'll have to learn about death somehow, and I don't think it's
great. Why he almost does like a fourth
wall break, like looking at the camera like Can you believe this
bitch? You believe?
Don't you know who I am? I'm a herring monster.
You see, I kind of disagree about the well, I I agree the
main guy is not like the best and I think it's a passable

(32:22):
performance, But I think she plays pretty well as kind of
maybe being a little bit of a difficult.
She's kind of a difficult, maybemore city oriented kind of
individual then maybe this ruralfarmer was.
And I think she plays as a as a good foil to him.
He's like, well, they got to learn the facts of life
sometime. And she's yeah, you know, she
kind of plays that like City five kind of mom who's.

(32:43):
Just culture shock of being a yeah yeah environment.
She feels very differently cultured.
It seemed like to he's got to bekind of wealthy, right?
Because he's a doctor. Yeah.
But it seemed like she came fromlike different sort of wealth or
something like that. Oh yeah.
She rich, rich. Yeah, because maybe she rich.
She Oprah. She white person rich.
Because they like hint out a bunch of like problems, right?

(33:06):
With Lewis and the dad and the family in general, He's a.
Dad and that that's what I, I was kind of curious about like
Chicago to Maine. Yeah, that doesn't sound like a
family that's happy. Yeah, you moved to Maine.
That sounds more like our marriage is on the rocks and we
need some time to ourselves to figure some things.
Well, you know, it doesn't seem like their marriage is doing

(33:28):
great. You know, just from that morning
breakfast scene, we're like, oh,still friends.
Like, she's got to check back inwith him because he's kind of.
So yeah, I don't think things were going off awesome.
I think they're probably at a difficult point in their
marriage. And now that you said Chicago to
Maine, it like clicked for me. She goes to Chicago twice in

(33:48):
this span of. Yeah.
You know, I didn't even think ofYeah, yeah.
Chicago The. Night down.
The Street. In my head, Logan, I was
thinking I was like, wow, like, you know, it must be a quick
journey or whatever, but no. It's not like a four hour
flight. At least she got private jet
she. Probably.
Does she got that money? Yeah, she got that.

(34:09):
She got that white bitch money. Well, they do show Lewis on like
the tarmac reading. I'm like, yeah.
That goop money. That shit doesn't happen.
Well, that does. Happen, I guess, back in the
small air. OK.
All right. That's where that happens is
like they don't even have the, you know, you know, those giant,
I don't know what you'd call them, but a lot of times at
those like municipal airports, if they fly into a Municipal

(34:31):
Airport or something like that, you'll just get right off the
plane. Gotcha gotcha.
I can't believe though how he's a doctor but yet he still feel
like he's reaching. How is that possible?
He's a doctor. You you're saying reaching for
her like, yeah, like. For her parents approval.
Like he's a doctor. I don't know if he.
Cares about it. I don't know if he's reaching
for her parents approval. I think he's pretty set on not

(34:53):
having the approval. Yeah, he's just like, yeah, you
can go without me as far. As your dad is concerned, I'm
never going to be a member of the.
Family, I know they don't, they hate mine.
I'm just. Saying why?
Stay here. Why would your parents?
Why would the parents, like hatehim?
He's a doctor. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't really get that either.It's like they would like that
father-in-law is wet dream like ohh my my little girl married.

(35:13):
Married a doctor, pretty good money.
Maybe she's rich enough for like, marrying a doctor is
beneath them. He's not a plastic surgeon.
He doesn't. Have these awesome paintings in
his house like I do. Regular.
MD. Oh my God, can we talk about
those paintings in that? I thought they were pretty cool.
You like? That Did you guys put the
paintings together like Rachel or the sister there, Zelda?

(35:37):
She likely inhabited Gage's deadbody.
And the biggest clue to that wasremember when Gage had the cane
in the hat? Yeah, that was one of the
paintings that was in the house.And there's a cat in that
painting as. Well, yeah, yeah.
Oh wow, so creepy. Yeah, no, it's super creepy.

(35:58):
Is creepy. Him being in his little thing
and undead, undead kid with a cane.
It's like, oh hey, how's it going?
Yeah, man. Mommy, I wanna play 3.
Year old pimp. Look at me bitch, I'm straight
off camping. Yeah, I did have that, that
note, like these are the most fucked up paintings, that there
was a bunch of them, too. It wasn't just like, you know,

(36:21):
that one. The other thing too, is Lewis is
a doctor at a university, right?Yeah, well, that's why he took
the job at the university. OK, like the University of
Maine, I'm guessing or something.
Sure, yeah. Just.
Go with that So. It doesn't look like he's got a
massive practice there though. Well, that's what I'm wondering.
Like what is he doing like? Well, every university has like

(36:42):
a is he like? Doing I.
Think he was. I think he was like this.
Like like a school. Doctor like.
A school nurse, well like the college I went to had a college
Dr. that just. Oh yeah, like.
Probably dealt with a lot of just a lot of the same.
Well, this is what you gotta look out for.
All right, here's your shot of penicillin.

(37:03):
Here's some blue. Chew for you kind.
Of felt like he got Mike schmitted out to the main like
this is the only job that you could.
You're gonna get, Yeah. Cuz it didn't feel like a great
job for him. Maybe he's a disgraced Dr. Yeah,
maybe he did something wrong. Like the Invisible Man, I mean.
So my question too is Victor Pascal, it comes into the

(37:23):
university, right? He's been hit.
Is this on the same fucking? Road on the road.
You gotta watch out for that road on the road, that damn Rd.
Holy shit this road kills. The same truck too.
He's. Marking them off like got
another one. Runner knee.
Like yeah, I'm like God damn man, this road is killing

(37:45):
people. How?
It's not the road lasted so long.
I know because he doesn't go down the road, go on the road.
He just sits and drinks his beeron his porch.
Well, isn't it This book is based off on Stephen King had a
close call with his son almost getting hit by a.
Truck OK and. Later on in life, he did in fact
get hit by a car off Oh. Yeah, well, one of those died,

(38:08):
one of those salt trucks that I was talking about ran somebody
right off the road in front of our house into like a massive
ditch. Like those trucks were a
problem. And like, I think nowadays
they'd probably like, make him have all GPS or something.
You know, they have the tools now, but back then it was just
kind of the Wild West out there.You'd think at least they'd have
a sign. Yeah.
I mean, here's my biggest thing.I'm Judd, right?

(38:30):
Oh, God. Leave Judd alone.
I questioned Judd because yes. Yeah.
OK, so Church, Ellie's cat gets hit and dies and Judd's like
she's going to be quite upset. Let's go bury.
I know I. Know place?
Yeah, right place. We're going on the other side of
that. I'm gonna support Judd.

(38:50):
You know why? Because he went through the same
thing that he did. What?
But that's what I'm saying. That's why.
All the more I mean he burned down the House of like, so like,
why would you open that cannon? Not only does he know the story
about the person that was buriedin though, the other like little
story is his own dog. But came back all right.

(39:11):
It was never quite the same dog that I know.
He's very complicit in all of it.
Yes, it's his fault. I think Judd made a lapse in
judgment in judgment, judgment, and we can't fault him for that.
He doesn't always know why he does things, Lewis.
Now, here's the thing. Did he lead him to think that,
hey, I can use this whenever I want?

(39:32):
Like some kind of like resurrection pit, like the like,
like the Lazarus pit like and let me tell you right now that
Lazarus pin Batman didn't do anything.
It most likely killed people more than it brought them back
to life. So this shit basically did the
same thing. And let me tell you, Judd, yes,
he made a lapse in Juddment, buthe didn't tell him to do the

(39:54):
rest. That was on.
That's. True, Lewis is a grown ass man.
But isn't like his own. It's like Pandora's box.
It's like the lament. Yeah, you can't once you open
it. He's Lewis is a grown ass man.
Whether he acts like it or not, he is still his own person.
Just because Judd told him what to do doesn't mean he's going to
follow it. He chose to do that.

(40:15):
So this is the devil's advocate,Logan right now.
Because that's exactly it. The devil doesn't make you do
anything, you do it yourself. Tells you like in Leprechaun.
In the hood, leprechaun in the hood.
He could have chosen not to use the Fluke, but he did it anyway
because he wanted. I like that your moral compass
is leprechaun in. My North. *.

(40:36):
Give me Warlock Davis. I want Warwick Davis.
We were all victims on leopard kind of the hood, and Logan was
a killer. I love that movie bro Whatever
everybody for Leprechaun in Space for next year.
Oh man. I don't know that Judd was
controlled. I think Judd was a good like
person. But I think because Judd had
used it before that he was subject to, he had crossed that

(40:58):
barrier in my mind because you see that the the burial ground
can have subtle influence on things.
Like when she was driving back from the trip from Chicago, it
pops her tire and like tries to get in her way as much as
possible from getting back the, the wife there.
I think it can have subtle influence on things.
And I think it already had Judd and Judd thought he was doing

(41:20):
the right thing, but he had already kind of made a deal with
the burial ground. And so like, I think it was a
subtle influence on him. Yeah, I I think he even had a
like throw a line where he said something like, I think I've
made a mistake. It's time because I introduced
you the power. I may have murdered your son,
Louis. Yeah, he's like, so you've done

(41:42):
it this time, you stupid old man.
Like and and how much of that was under his own power I think
is debatable. I think, I think what's so
interesting about this movie is the entire theme of this movie
is morality legitimately becauseit is the idea that you can
resurrect your loved ones from back from the grave.
And would you? And would you because it tells

(42:04):
that power. Sometimes dead is better.
Sometimes dead is better. Sometimes dead is better, but I
mean, at the same time, if one of your kids goes, I mean,
that's just a whole. I can't even imagine it.
Yeah, I'd probably, probably do it.
I really like. Too how they start in this with
church. Like the cat.

(42:24):
Yeah, because you see the process with the cat, you know.
And he just keeps upping the ante.
Yeah. I what I love too is when he
takes them. First off, this place is shit to
get to, I mean. That's not an easy place.
How does how the fuck does Herman monster they're able to
like? He's like.
Fucking 80 years old and he is like in better shape than the

(42:45):
doctor. The Doctor falls.
Forgot. To tell you northern Maine folk
or Hardy man, he's eating those Bologna and pickle sandwiches.
He's and those they're Judd WiseSalmon.
Yeah. And he was 6 Judd Wisers deep
when they went up there. Well, that's why he's so
powerful. He's got these chain smoking
bugs, he's got the six pack of butt a night, he's got the red
man. He can.

(43:06):
He can climb that shit no problem.
I love how Judd goes. It's your family or whatever you
got to do. He's like, yeah, I'm not gonna
do. That sit here and smoke these
boats. He kind of lies to him though.
He's like, yeah, soil's low or something like that.
Soil's thin, but you'll manage. Price.
They're out there for hours, Yeah.
He's like, yeah, yeah, soil's loose.
It shouldn't be a problem. First thing he does with a

(43:27):
pickaxe is hit the rock. It's like.
Like, what are we doing here? I would have been very skeptical
of everything, but I will say one of the cool things about
this movie is it gives you a trope in horror of the cat
scare, right? The famous.
Yeah, this is the best in my opinion.
Yeah. Like it's done so well with

(43:49):
that. The dead rat in the bathtub.
Oh, and that too, yeah. That is the only part of this
movie that I laugh at because Ohyeah, it's like I feel like with
cats, they bring like, gifts andhe's.
Like and he's. Throwing the thing and the guy
gets all bent out of shape and he and I feel like the cat
that's in his mind, like what the fuck That was for you?
Like that was a kid. Thank you.

(44:09):
Thank you. Yeah, the.
Fuck, can't just. Not accept my kid I feel.
Like Louis didn't really like cats to begin.
With Louis doesn't like anything.
You're right, he doesn't. I will.
Doesn't seem like a happy fella.I will say the only, the only
time I liked Louis is when Judd and him are sitting at the table
and he walks over at Louis and he sees that Wook in his eyes

(44:33):
when they're talking about Gage.And that's when he knows he's
like, oh, he's going to use the pet cemetery.
He's thinking about it because throughout the entire, like the
entire scene before he does it, you can tell he's going to do it
like he's dealing with that likeidea.
Yeah. And like those instances, like
you made me think of this too. Like it would be so awesome,
just like from a book reading perspective to get that inner

(44:56):
monologue of like judging a monologue.
It's full of it. The book makes him a character.
This movie, no, this movie, he'soutside of our We can't even
relate to him. Is this one of the worst scenes
in movies? Gage getting run over by a truck
there. Man up there with.
A Quiet Place 'cause that one's also bad, yeah.

(45:19):
I haven't seen quiet. Place Yeah.
No one likes kids. Done.
Yeah, I mean, this is horrendousto watch.
And, and like Dan Lakey said, they're all looking at the
fucking Rd. It makes me so that seed makes
me so angry just because like I could understand, like it
doesn't feel like an accident. Like what are you?
Doing it feels very dreamlike too.

(45:40):
Yeah, and like you were saying with the bright on the kite and
stuff and then the fucking, the fucking yell from the dad man is
like to me it was not good. No, like it was almost comical.
Like you're like, oh, I don't know, I'm too.
Wet fart I was talking about. See, I'm too caught up in things

(46:00):
at that point. I don't even know that I noticed
that. You know what I didn't really
think about in the moment cuz you're so caught up in like the
shoe image and stuff. Yeah, the fucking truck tips
over. Yeah.
That was the other he tries to stop.
I mean, you know, physics with trucks is, you know, your enemy
for the most part cuz you can't,you can only slow down so
quickly. And and yeah, he just totally I

(46:21):
think the truck driver dies. Is that what happens in the book
or? Dang, in the book it's not the
son who dies. Oh, it's.
The daughter. Oh, really?
Daughter who dies? I'm pretty sure I haven't read
it in like 5 years probably. I read it during COVID but yeah
I think the daughter died originally in the book.
That's interesting because the remake has the daughter died.

(46:42):
Yeah, cuz this movie, so I thinkwhat I remember of it is this
movie they wanted it to be more depressing cuz that like I don't
that's obviously a joke, but like I think the idea was it's
more innocent. Yeah, take away the 2 year old,
then the daughter because I think The thing is the daughter

(47:02):
is more what's the word like she.
Autonomous. Yeah, she can talk.
She can do all like, well, the kid can too.
But she is more integral to the idea of the story more than the
sun, because the sun doesn't really add much past his death.
Like his death is the catalyst. You know?
Once he died, that's when the story changes.

(47:25):
If you kill off the daughter, yeah, it's more.
I feel like it's at the same, but I feel like with the sun
it's it's more, it's more heart.It's bigger, yeah.
I think it's heartbreaking because a 2 year old it, it's
just it. Yeah, it's terrible.
It's a bigger impact. Like the daughter herself.
Like she would have the the wherewithal to not run into the
street like that. Yeah.

(47:45):
I gotta ask a big question too. We're bringing the daughter up.
Does the daughter have The Shining?
Is church all right? I dreamed he got hit by a car
and you and Mr. Crandall buried him in the pet cemetery.
That's what it seems. Like, that was one of my
conspiracy theories. It was kind of like all of
Stephen King's books take kind of place in the Stephen King
universe as, as the Dark Tower series would tell us.

(48:08):
So like, yeah, I mean, I would say she probably does.
I mean, she's got prophetic dreams and she's like connected
and she kind of, you know, hearsPascal and and.
She can tell the future because she has that dream about the
cat. Yeah.
And then she know. And then literally like the next

(48:29):
thing, the cat dies. I I was specifically getting
very Shining vibes because Jack also has the Shining right in
the book I believe, right? In the book The Shining.
Yeah, that Jack also had, like so the father.
Jack Nicholson or the kid? Yeah, the father and the son.

(48:50):
I don't think. The Shining.
I don't think the father has theShining.
He's like he has the darkening or whatever or something.
Yeah, Danny the boy. Danny the boy has the.
Shining. Yeah, I know he has the Shining
because I was thinking like the mother.
The mother in this Rachel has Shining vibes also.
Yeah, but they're not like the little girl because she can't

(49:11):
remember the. Mother is getting more, it's
more physical than it is mental because like we talked about,
you know, the tire and like everything about that.
But like, I think it's more physical than it is like mental,
like The Shining, like Danny andthe girl, because it's more in
her head. It's more like what she sees
rather than what she feels. I also got Shining vibes when

(49:33):
Rachel was trying to come home to like what's his name from the
Shining The the. The like non the winter 1 he has
straight out shining powers him and Danny have.
Yeah, they can. We can have conversations.
Without. Anybody else I also know in the
right conversation? And I got that very same vibe of
like him trying to come back to the the overlook and her trying

(49:55):
to come back, you know, and likethe cemetery itself, like you
were saying, is like doing things like taking the wheel out
and and trying to make it hard for.
And Pascal is kind of yeah, I don't know that there's evidence
that Rachel has the shining, butI I definitely see the daughter
having the shining because like Rachel is, she can't really see
Pascal and she doesn't really understand.

(50:17):
I feel like if last guy was helping the daughter, there's
more of a vibe that she would belike talking back to him kind of
thing, you know what I mean? Well what I was wondering too,
because Rachel has like for Zelda, like her sister, she sees
her right? Like images of her and stuff.
Well, I think that's Zelda reaching out to her because I
think Zelda is I think Zelda, besides having a terrible

(50:39):
medical affliction and, you know, the the doctor also says
she's clinically insane. Oh, OK.
And like, I think that Zelda is like a evil spirit of vengeance
for Rachel. Yeah, like a tortured spirit.
Yeah, and like is out for Rachelbecause, and you know, that's
why she kind of, it's like her and Gage are like after her for

(51:01):
letting them die. Here's my biggest question for
this movie, where they get buried and stuff.
The pet cemetery are beyond there, Yeah.
Are these demons coming back in the form of their bodies?
Could be. My guess is like, they become a
tool for malevolent spirits, OK.Like, I don't think it's them
coming back, right? I think that it's like a tool to

(51:24):
be used by malevolent spirits, generally speaking.
You know, I don't know that there's specific demons, you
know, I mean, we could get into the Warhammer Demonology
conversation, but I don't think it's like specific demons that
are coming back. But I think it's just a general
malevolent spirits are allowed to come back would be my take on
it. I don't know.
What do you think, Dan? I get like Evil Dead vibes like

(51:44):
oh they're. Dead.
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good. Yeah, or it's like a deadite
kind of thing. And it'd be kind of in agreement
with Mike. Yeah, yeah.
Basically. Yeah, similar.
This sets up for probably my favorite parts in the movie,
which is the ending here, yeah. Oh, the ending ending goes.
All out. Poor Judd, right?
Yeah. Dude, that slice on the knee on

(52:07):
the back of the Achilles heel man.
Just right into it too. That's.
The only time I've been like, ohman, you kicked that.
And you got the little kid and he's growling too.
Like just, it's so terrible. That's why I was singing like
Demon and like Dan. Like I'm glad you brought up
like the Evil Dead because especially when he's biting his
jugular and shit. It's just that.

(52:31):
Play Daddy. Stephen King got a zombie book.
I guess this is kind of zombie, but this, Yeah, this.
Is like zombie demons yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Just like these scenes of Gage or like demon Gage or whatever
he. Is I mean.
Yeah, like you said earlier, bear claw to the laughter.
Like that's always creepy as hell, the little footprints.

(52:52):
So funny story around that. A friend of mine, he had one of
those devices that you remember,they were popular, like you'd
talk to him a few years ago or like they're like, you know,
hey, order me milk or something like that.
Oh, you know, like the Amazon orGoogle devices.
Yeah, Alexa or similar device. I guess some programmer as a
disgruntled programmer. Long story short, one night he's

(53:14):
in his kitchen at like 2:00 AM. He had like a mid shift or
something like that and he was coming home from work and all of
a sudden his vice started like child laughing at him.
Oh my God. And he lost his shit.
He was like Oh my God what's going on?
And I guess he found out in the news the next day that some
disgruntled programmer caused them to like all start like
child laughing at like 3:00 AM or something like that. 3:00 AM

(53:39):
an hour bro. I'd be like I would.
Have I would have been, I would have gotten everybody out.
We would have been going to a hotel, hopefully not the
Overlook Hotel and. That feels like a Simpson, but.
Yeah, this gets us to Rachel coming all the way back from
Chicago and all. The way up the street.
And then she hears what she thinks is Gage right laughing at

(54:02):
Jud's house So. Well, and remember Rachel is or
Zelda is the one that calls her in Rachel.
Is that? You oh remember she gets to the
out of the truck and she's aboutto walk to her house.
But then rate or Zelda is the one I keep getting Rachel and
Zelda confused. Zelda is the one who calls out
to Rachel and says ah, and then she hears Gabe.

(54:26):
OK, and and then she goes upstairs.
And then there's Zelda in the corner.
Bear call. This scared the hell out of you.
I can't, I can't. That's too.
That's that's just like. So we don't actually see what
ends up happening to Rachel, but.
Finally not good. Finally not good.
She does. She doesn't get up a bunch of
flowers and champagne until the.Fucking Lewis is asleep.

(54:49):
What the hell, man? Well.
I mean, he didn't like spend 14 hours very.
Burying. Kicking up and burying his kids,
yeah. Also.
He was like, he's also evading the police and.
He doesn't feel like he meant that much to him.
Like he kind of just went, Oh, yeah.
He didn't even know if she was coming home, did he?

(55:10):
Oh no, he did by that point. The only time I ever saw him
show emotion was that funeral scene.
Or no, he didn't know she was coming at that point.
No, he didn't know. Because.
The damn morning, Yeah. Asking how she's doing.
He did show emotion at the funeral scene, but the the
father-in-law really showed emotion.
Where were you when he was? Playing in the road.

(55:33):
What a dickhead, punching the father of the dude who just lost
his son, Yeah. That was what everybody handles
grief differently. I mean, I don't want to.
I don't want. To throw.
I know people are treating him like he's the crazy one.
Dude he got cold cocked and the father-in-law knocked over his
son's casket. This all goes.
Into the descent into madness, yeah.

(55:54):
Like. This is that.
What if now I'm not? I have a different theory, say
for conspiracy corner, but what if this is all just a dream in
his head? It could be.
It feels like it plays out like a dream.
Finally. Well, because Lewis goes over to
Judd's house, and Judd's house looks different.
Covered in Moss. Yeah, I mean he, I think at this

(56:15):
point the the the good doctor has lost, OK, Like he's and I
mean, you know, he's carrying needles of poison in his Yeah,
he gets. Church and stuff.
Yeah, I mean, he's he's on the crazy train by this point.
He's not right. If you were to say what had
happened to him, I would articulate it as whatever
malevolent entities are part of the burial ground have fully
taken hold of him, like there's no more.

(56:37):
He's fully in its grasp. Yeah, 'cause then you get to the
ending scene where it's him versus Gage and yeah, you know,
there is kind of a silly scene that looks like the doll coming
flying. He.
Looks like he's wrestling like aBuddy Lee G Buddy Lee Jeans
Dunger. Doll Yeah, no, that's true.
I give him a little bit of graceon that one though, 'cause I
mean, what's he gonna do? What are you gonna do, throw the

(56:59):
kid like? It was the 70s, maybe.
Yeah, that. Was the 70s be like we'll just
get another kid. Got a lot of kids.
Got a ton of kids running around.
Stunt double, yeah. This is creepy though, like just
his face with a scalpel and were.

(57:19):
You creeped out by a Logan? I mean, yeah, a lot of this
stuff was creepy as oh, I I hateGod, but then it's doing it
gives you the solar. Doesn't it?
Yeah. It does give me the voice.
Damn, using your own words again.
I think what's so interesting tome about this movie is that yes,

(57:40):
it is like a descent into madness, but it's also like it
makes you a little mad too. Like watching this, like it
feels like you're kind of like slowly like descending like a
little bit because for sure you see just like such a change in
the I've never really, I think what's good about it is I've
never seen a movie just take like a complete U-turn like it

(58:02):
does. It's creepy.
And then at the end after everything.
He's cooked. By that I mean that.
Eggs. Great egg.
Fried. There's no putting it back into
the into the. I think he's almost resigned to
the fact that, like, what's the worst that happens?
She kills me. Yeah.
Like, I think he's resigned to that being, like, a possibility.
I think he's fine with it. Yeah, and that does happen.

(58:24):
I think there's like a part of him that's like, I'm just gonna
join my family. Because they're all pretty much,
yeah. Like spiritually, he's kind of
already dead. He's cooked, yeah.
It's one of those things where it's just this is like a movie
of people making choices, poor choice.
Poor choices. Poor choices all along.
Plenty of warning, plenty of stop signs along the way.
But. Like you said earlier, like the

(58:45):
devil. He doesn't make you do anything.
Yeah, he just gives you the opportunity.
Oh it is Gage. It dies first in the book.
I was about to say cuz I feel like with Gage dying, I mean
that's the most depressing dad. Like if you kill the daughter,
yeah, it's still but Gage, I mean, it's the two year old.
I don't know, she is pretty annoying I.
Must go punch that baby. She was a friend of them.

(59:08):
Kids. I guess that's what Stephen King
wants to do 1. Of the things I liked about this
movie too, just as a cosmic horror fan and you know, now
that we're at the end here is there was kind of the cosmic
horror entity of like the simpletruth that not all knowledge
leads to good places. And you know, one of the things
that, you know, as I've gotten older, I think there's wisdom in
not knowing some things. You know what I'm saying?

(59:30):
Like not all knowledge is good knowledge.
There is dangerous knowledge outthere that simply by knowing it
can corrupt you or hurt you or put wild ideas into your head.
And like this. Is that he killed the cat.
This is kind of a classic Lovecraftian theme within this
book of like, you know somethingnow and how do you use that

(59:53):
knowledge? And are you better off having
known that knowledge like sometimes dead is better?
You know what I mean? Like this knowledge is is
tainted knowledge and sour. Ground.
So sour the the soil is sour. Oh, man, one of the things that
I've always kind of wondered waswas there a time when it wasn't

(01:00:14):
soured and they just popped backup and be like, hey, how's it
going guys? Like, well, that's.
What? It caused the sour, Yeah.
I was thinking too with like an Indian burial ground, like were
they using it properly? And then all and obviously all
of a sudden the white man like came over and.
Like, yeah. What are you guys doing the
French? First, let's use it ourselves.
And, you know, yeah, like it doesn't work that way, no.

(01:00:38):
I don't know, Indian burial grounds and stuff like that were
a very real thing for me as a kid.
I don't think there was any realones near me.
But I mean, it was a real fear that was put into me when I was
younger. I don't know, it's just one of
those things where it's like some stuff you just don't, you
just don't even, you know, I don't play with Ouija boards.
I don't, you know, I don't do a lot of that stuff.
Not necessarily because I believe in ghosts, but like, I

(01:01:01):
don't, I don't go knocking on doors.
I don't want answered, you know what I mean?
You want to entertain it? Yeah.
Those are good tips from Old Bear Club.
Old wisdom delivered by Bear Club.
We're on to Conspiracy Corner. Do you have any conspiracies for

(01:01:22):
this movie? I have a conspiracy, all right?
Judd Crandall is an interesting character.
We've already acknowledged that.The choices he makes in this
movie with the creeds to me seemlike moves I'd make if I didn't
want new neighbors. Good point.
I'm going to talk about the roadwe live on and say Rd. a bunch
of times. I'm going to be the one that

(01:01:44):
teaches your kids about death without your permission.
There's a dead cat in my yard. I think it's Ellie's.
I definitely didn't kill it and I think it's about time I show
you this Indian burial ground where you can bring the living
back to life. I used it once, it was terrible
for me At least. You know, it might it might work
out for you. FYII lied.
They did try to to bury a personup there.

(01:02:06):
They came back, I killed it and my neighbor, I burnt their house
down. Used to be next to yours.
And then they built another one.Like, this dude definitely
doesn't like people. He sees these city slickers move
in next door, interrupting his enjoyment of Judd Wiser's
watching trucks kill animals crossing the road.

(01:02:26):
They've disrupted his peace and he makes them pay.
Yeah, because I was just saying one of my conspiracy theories
because we kind of covered both of them with Ellie having The
Shining and then Fred Guinn as potentially being in service to
the burial ground or like at least being influenced by that.
Like mine is kind of off of thattoo, where like maybe he is a

(01:02:46):
demon, like maybe he has come back or something like that, you
know, and, or. You think he was buried there?
Yeah, maybe he's. Influenced by that, he's
picturing him coming back as Herman Munster.
I've played this role before. My conspiracy theory was a

(01:03:07):
little bit darker than that. Oh.
Let's hear it. I believe that Judd is the devil
and that he is actually the one that built the cemetery himself,
built it with his own hands, just like he built the road I.
Built this rod. He's just so proud of Rich and
he. Owns the actual company that

(01:03:29):
does. And I love the front.
Like his house is like the shittiest, yeah.
He built the road because he watches the road, he talks about
the road. I told you it's a bad Rd. loss.
He pays, he pays them trucks to go up and down there like. 100
mph off any ticket you get. You just gotta.
He wants them to do his bidding because he is the devil.

(01:03:51):
I like it Look. It is the devil's house.
It looks like a devil's house. It looks like an old farmhouse
it. Looks like a monster's house.
Yeah, that's the Devil's house. That's where the devil think.
The devil would have a nice mansion.
Nah, he would have that shit. We're onto hot takes.
I I got a quick hot take for this.
There isn't a whole lot that happens throughout this movie.
Like, you know, there's not likeaction, action, action, you know

(01:04:14):
what I'm saying? It actually moves pretty fast,
Yeah. It keeps it keeps going.
It keeps it's that's one of the strengths of this movie, I think
is you could definitely see how they could get mired into like
like there's a lot of different tributaries you could take with
some of these themes and they really, this would be my good
example to that I would bring upof like a tight script keeps the

(01:04:35):
action going. It keeps forward momentum.
Right. Yeah.
Any other hot takes? No, sometimes dead is better.
Sometimes dead is better. Yeah, we're on to our Hall of
Slain. Our Hall of Slain are characters
that have died in the movies we review that would help us get
through and survive a horror movie because we are the final

(01:04:57):
girl. Are there any characters from
Pet Sematary you would like to nominate?
I would like to nominate Pascal because I mean, what a good guy,
man. Like he gets hit by a truck and
dies the entire time he's tryingto help out, man.
He's trying to be like, listen, don't go up there, dude.
I keep telling don't listen to that old guy.
He's like. He's like, don't go up there.
He's like our Virgil. Yeah.

(01:05:19):
And then? In the infernal.
Yeah. He's like, he's trying to help
out. He's like, listen, all right,
we'll see if we can get the wifeback.
And like he's, he's. Like a good harbinger.
Yeah, Doom. Well, he is a good harbinger of
doom, but he's like trying to, Imean, you know, nobody to listen
to him. He's trying to course correct
things. He's trying to do the right
things. Or he might be part of the
burial thing. I don't know.

(01:05:39):
I kind of had a conspiracy theory that kind of looked at
that, but I don't know know thatthat holds up under any scrutiny
because he does a lot to try andsubvert things you.
Know. He's the Angel and Judd's the
devil. Oh, I like that log A.
Lot. Yeah, let's.
Bring Pascal and what do you think?
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's get the other side of the
coin. Let's get Judd in there.

(01:06:01):
I like Judd. I like Judd, but like and I'm
and I'm all for having Herman Munster in, but I don't know,
like I said, he he's kind of a lot of the root cause of the
problems too, though, you know, we.
Need a guy who can go, who can tredge through any forests
without falling. Yeah, but he might be tredging
you to the place where you're going to get killed, you know, I
don't know. What do you think, Dan?

(01:06:22):
I don't know about Judd. I want to put Judd in but like
I. Want Herman Munster in the worst
way but like. Guess where he's going?
He's going with me. He's all we're we're.
Logan in his group. Oh, they followed Judd.
Oh, so they're all dead? OK, let's move on, guys.
Look, we already have some unlikely characters.

(01:06:44):
We got freaking. Tina.
Who put Tina in mine? Tina.
She said. Yours.
Man, Tina drove Judge to it thatwould.
Be a combination. Of you imagine their
conversations. Dude, that's awesome that we
make Tina. Somebody put this lady in the
row. Wow, what a mildly crew.

(01:07:13):
Look, I know. Alright, so first hell a horn.
Well, hey. We got.
We got. Mrs. Tower.
And now we got a. You got an elderly wing.
Oh man. Hey, she's married.
All right, so just as a recap, we have Pascal.
She's coming to the mouth. Oh, God.

(01:07:35):
Oh no. Wait a minute, what about Gage?
We have Pascal coming to the Mouths of Madness Hall of Slain
Gavel Sound. Then we have Judd going to
Logan's Hall of Slain Wing foundhorn age.
I don't think we. Want.
I know I don't want. To.
I don't want to be. I don't want to be.
I don't need to be caring for children while I'm running from.

(01:07:59):
Do we know if he's the evil kindor the good kind?
I. Don't know and definitely don't
want. Rachel, he's hot.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Zelda for a minute.
Whoa, whoa. Further away from you.
Like all right. Man, I had to do that, Exorcist.
Rachel, I did do Playboy in 1979.

(01:08:19):
Bring me right. I want Rachel all.
Right. All yours.
OK, We got the hose out. I mean, I mean, you do get
Security Officer Yasha Tar. So that's not the worst.
I got a Playboy. All right, give him the hose,
Nathan. What the hell?
We're on to our favorite segment, hook, line and Stinker.

(01:08:47):
Our hook is our favorite kill ofthe movie, our line is our
favorite line or quote in the movie, and our stinker is
something funny, awful or weird that happens that makes the
movie either better or worse. My hook, maybe a lot of us have
it, is Judd's death. Yeah.
Yeah, you got it. I had Gage's death and burning
too, because that was pretty. The hole where he was like the

(01:09:07):
father had lost it and he was like shit and he was like not
fair. Like that was fucked.
Up. Then he hit his head.
Up my line is the phone call where Gage goes Daddy will.
Come out and play with me. First I played with dad.
Then mommy came and I played with mommy.

(01:09:28):
We played daddy. We had an awful good time.
Now I went to play. With you.
What did you do? What did you do?
We mashed, she mashed. We all did.
Monster. Hair on my next stand up.
My stinker is how many times Judd mentions.

(01:09:50):
The words I don't know. I think that's a hook for me.
You want. To watch out that.
Road Man Dan, how about you? Man, we were in lockstep.
That was my hook and that was, that was your line.
That was my line as well. I was going to say my other line
was Rod, Rod, Rod. For me.
The stinker was the father-in-law punching Lewis.
Then someone at the service tells Lewis to get ahold of

(01:10:12):
himself. Funeral get hold of.
Yourself after being punched in the face for no reason.
No one says shit about anything to the father-in-law.
Worst part is they show the handyeah of the kid.
Oh yeah, in the coffin. And then the casket goes over
too, like, like you were saying,saying Logan, how, how like why?
Why is he the one being told to to contain him?

(01:10:32):
I think he this is a dream because he doesn't act like him,
like a normal person. He acts like he's in a dream.
Yeah, I'd also say the Lewis versus Gage fight scene where
Reanimate Gage gets launched from the attic and it's just
amazing. Like I said, for my hook,
everybody says Dread Crandall, and that's what I had too.

(01:10:53):
But I also had gauges second death because that always stuck
with me in the movie of like where he just hits him with the
needle and like fair, no fair, no fair.
You can tell like it's like sometype of demon or other entity
that's possessed him. And that's just like, you know,
now I'm not going to get to playwith this little kids corpse

(01:11:15):
anymore. So you know, it's pretty
terrible. So that was it.
And then for line I had of course, sometimes dead is
better, but the other one because this one always kind of
warms my heart because Victor Pascal is trying to help and
Lewis goes, Hey, why are you here?
And Victor Pascal goes I. Want to help you because Lewis,
because you tried to help me. Because you tried to help me.

(01:11:38):
Like there's always kind of a lot of times in Stephen King's
books, there's some type of goodforce that's trying to do good,
at least in in even the darkest situation.
Pascal to me was very much a little bit of balance in this
movie. So I really like that.
Like, you tried to help me. Now I'm gonna, you know, really
try my best to help you. Because he knows shit's gonna

(01:11:58):
get dark. Like Jiminy Cricket with, you
know, Pinocchio ain't listening to him.
Yeah, And then my stinker is just fuck, this movie scares the
shit out of me and always will. So that's my stinker.
I I think it's a great movie. I think it's a fantastic horror
movie, but it it's still always,always gets me so.
It's always in there. Yeah, I had Judd's death.

(01:12:19):
It's like the only on screen death pretty much wine.
I have my. Little girl's got a cat.
Winston Churchill. Call him church for short.
Get him fixed while you fixed cat don't tend to wander.
Fixed cat don't tend to wander. Judd's awesome.
Judd. Welcome to my wing.
Stinker is I don't like horror movies with kids.

(01:12:42):
It's just sad. Like I don't like deaths with
old kids like that. Just.
Yeah, that just doesn't sit right with me.
Yeah. This wasn't a terribly fun
movie, yeah. Yeah, I don't.
I don't think any Stephen King movies are fun.
We're on. To our final rating.
Where will they rent the movie? The killer is great, the victim

(01:13:03):
sucks since the butter is in between.
What was that? If this is your first time
listening, we have a three tier rating system.
Killer is the best, Survivor is the middle tier and finally the
dreaded victim. I'm giving Stephen King's Pet
Sematary a survivor, kind of like the things we had talked

(01:13:24):
about. I don't think the acting is the
best in this. It is a dark and depressing
movie. It is very good at horror, in
the horror element for sure 100%.
But this is just a tough watch for me to like sit down and want
to put this one on. As far as rewatch ability goes,
like Logan said to, it's tough with the the kids dying and the

(01:13:45):
cat dying and things like that. There's a lot of big emotions in
this movie, but as far as like atmosphere and terrifying
imagery, this is right up there for any horror.
Movie and the special effects are pretty.
Yeah, special effects are reallygood, you know, so like, there
is a lot to like about this movie for sure.
But it's just, for me, it's likethe rewatch ability, yeah, is

(01:14:06):
just kind of low. Dan, how about you?
I'm right there with you, Kevin.I give Pet Sematary a survivor.
I think it's a horror movie classic and one of the better
films that were adapted from King's work.
As we. As we mentioned, like the
effects still hold up. I highly recommend this movie
for fans of horror. It has some of the most
memorable like Logan mentioned, the most memorable

(01:14:28):
cinematography, Church the cat, Evil Gauge and Victor Pascal.
Like some of those those characters are so memorable.
The the Zelda lady is is so likethose characters are like burnt
into my memory. I will never forget those
characters and the effect that they make me feel.
Like how hard I try. Yeah, to Kevin's point too, like

(01:14:50):
the content and just the darkness of it, it does make it
a very hard rewatch and would probably explain why it's been
like almost 30 to 25 years sinceI've actually watched this movie
myself. Bear Claw.
I go back to what's the what's the point of a horror movie?
It's to scare you. It's to give you that feeling,

(01:15:11):
that terrified feeling. And this movie, while it doesn't
have the fun factor that I generally like in horror movies,
it makes up for it with just Zelda, with Gage.
I mean, it's me. It's a killer.
I mean, you want to scare somebody, this is how you do it.
The movie makes sense. It's you see the madness

(01:15:33):
creeping in, you see the forbidden knowledge.
I mean, it's got a lot of cosmichorror kind of themes to it.
And the acting didn't bother me.But I would recommend this movie
to somebody as one of the horrormovies to watch if like if you
want to make a horror movie and try and inspire true fear in
your audience, this is like, look at this as like a model of

(01:15:55):
doing that. So yeah, to me it's a killer.
Logan. Yeah, I'd have to say this one
is a survivor. For me, this movie fits the word
mid. It is very mid to me.
It has no fun. The acting is terrible.
Characters besides, you know, maybe the kids I don't really
care about. Judd will always be a national

(01:16:16):
hero, but he's more or less the devil.
But you know what? Everyone needs the devil on
their shoulder for fun, Time, time.
The cinematography, the music, the overall story is really
strong. But I'm not a big fan of kids
dying. It's just not my bag.
So it's got to be survivor. Nathan, our producer, gave his
rating and he said Pet Sematary's concept would make

(01:16:39):
for a great one hour episode of Tales from the Crypt.
As a full length feature it constantly gets bogged down and
expertory flashbacks that seem to be meant to pad the runtime.
Also the terrible performances had me laughing at inappropriate
moments. Low end survivor.

(01:17:00):
PS When a baby has a scalpel, you simply take it away.
I didn't even take it from you. I just I, I just didn't want
that. I don't want a.
Scalpel. We also asked you, our audience,
what your thoughts were on Pet Sematary from My Little Slice of
Hell. An absolute classic.
A true nightmare from Kimmy Kim AKA Kim.

(01:17:24):
The Best from James Shannon Moran's creepy emotional horror
movie from modern Monstrous. The way this book slash movie
have made me unable to spell Cemetery should be a crime.
Yeah yeah. I didn't think this movie was as
scary as it could have been, butit did make me laugh a lot.

(01:17:46):
Victim from KL45678 This was a staple at sleepovers with
friends and I think it is super creepy in some parts.
I don't find it as scary now, but I love the story a lot.
I think it deserves a killer's status.
Gates, Lithia, Bear Claw, and finally from dissect that film
pod. I rewatched this last year and

(01:18:07):
to be honest, this movie's hilarious.
There's no likable characters, including Fred Gwynn.
I think it has solid effects work and Gwynn's performance is
iconic, but everything that happens in this movie is not by
chance, but by pure stupidity. I don't hate it, but I don't
think I'll ever go out of my wayto see it again.
Well, thank you all so much for your comments.

(01:18:29):
If you want to comment on any ofthe movies we review, go to our
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of our next episode. Like I said at the beginning, we
are celebrating our two year anniversary.

(01:18:49):
Insert party noise there, Nathan.
Bear claws party, a little dancemusic party.
So we want to take this time at the end of our episode and just
kind of tell you our thoughts ontwo years of the podcast.
Want to reflect on the past two years, and I want to say thank
you to all of you guys. I think this past year, I think

(01:19:11):
we really cranked it into action.
We didn't miss too many weeks. It was cool.
Like the movies we covered a lotfrom when I first started
watching horror. So like there was a lot of fun
ones. I appreciate you all kind of for
bringing some different ones that I would have never went out
of my way to see. You know, like Bear Claw, the
9th Gate, I mean Logan, the Winnie the Pooh movies.

(01:19:35):
Oh yeah. I would have rest assured I
would have never seen those outside.
That's why I loved him. Yeah, Dan St.
Trash man. Oh yeah.
That was one of our favorites. I think, like, you know, just on
review and talking about. So like, it's cool.
Like I think we all brought something different.
I want to say thank you to Nathan, our producer.
He's the man, you know, he is. His hard work comes through on

(01:19:58):
all our episodes. Like I said, I'm always looking
up. We throw a lot of challenges at
him, especially with our skits and stuff and.
Put him knocks it off. Yeah, every.
Time we'll put up a poster of She's the Man, but instead put
Nathan's picture instead of the main chick.
And lastly, I want to thank our audience because you know, you

(01:20:20):
guys really make it worth it forus.
Like your comments, you know, talking about the movies,
listening, it's been awesome. So we really appreciate you all
tuning in to hear our episodes. One of the things too I looked
back on was the past season and some of the movies we did and we
only had one total killer movie that we all rated the.

(01:20:43):
Thing. It was not the thing.
No, I don't like it was child's play.
Really. Wow.
Yeah, the thing got 4 1/2 stars from us, Logan rated a survive.
We had a four, We had a couple. I.
Don't like that one? Yeah, we had a couple four and a
halfs. We had some that were one stars.
Oh. I were What were some of the one

(01:21:04):
stars? Yeah, what was unanimously
panned? It was Halloween 5, which we
just did. It was the 9th gate.
Air fire. Terrifier season 1.
Oh wow. We did leprechaun in the hood as
a one. Star I was the only one that
rated it going and. Dream scenario is our last.
Yeah, that makes. Sense so it's kind of cool like

(01:21:26):
I think we were pretty fair overall like looking back you
know we're we're a pretty tough group too yeah group yeah not
everything gets killer ratings here.
You can't be throwing killers out there.
It doesn't. You got to reserve it for.
A. Slack batch.
For sure. And I want to go around to you
guys and I want to ask you specifically what was your

(01:21:48):
favorite skit or episode of Season 2 and if there's any
rating that you would change on one of the movies that you rated
for Season 2? Dan, how about you?
Favorite episode? I got to say it's hard for me to
pick 1 so I'm just going to likelist off 3 that I like the most.
St. Trash Friday the 13th Part 5

(01:22:09):
Life and Death Becomes Her. I had the most fun talking about
these movies with you guys. Those wacky character driven
horror movies are my favorite ones to cover.
The character work in all three of those films are just so good
and they're so much fun to talk about.
And just the unhinged nature of all three of those movies.

(01:22:29):
Those are like my favorite typesof movies we cover where we can
kind of let our hair down and just get like silly with the
content. Yeah.
Skit wise, I like the Hellraiserskit and I also like the Purge
Suare skit. Those two like we're the
funniest, like I just the farting and the lamentation

(01:22:50):
configuration. It's just that was just
brilliant. Yeah, I still think about that.
We're like. OK, open it up.
I, I, I still like occasionally go back and listen to that.
I need a laugh. I just turned that one on.
Is there any ratings you would change you think for season 2?

(01:23:11):
Did I don't know what I rated St. trash?
If I didn't rate it a killer, I would rate it a killer.
Yeah, cool. Any other thoughts on season 2?
We really grew as a team over this last year.
I think our chemistry has gottenbetter.
Nathan again, is our like rock star editor.
He makes all of us sound great in everything we do.

(01:23:32):
So I'm very appreciative of him.Just like with our fans, like I
love the fact that like at the end of our episode, we we kind
of read what they have to say. And I like that we kind of
encapsulate, I think almost everybody's opinion, like with
our episodes and like, so I likethat we as the four of us are

(01:23:54):
able to provide something different that kind of I think
hits everybody. And that's in our listeners.
And I'm very appreciative of ourlisteners.
And I look forward to doing thismore and just continuing to, to
grow our channel and get more people to listen to us.
It's, it's fun, it's exciting. And I'm I'm not slowing down.
Yeah, right. This madness train.

(01:24:16):
Get on right now. Yeah, Bear Claw, how about you?
What's your favorite skit or episode of the season and is
there rating you would change? One of my favorite skits because
it was the most fun for me to dowas the Bear Fred Hitch Claw,
where I I got to be totally unhinged as as Alfred Hitchcock

(01:24:38):
was. And cuz man, I, I just remember
I had not watched her a lot of Hitchcock movies before psycho
and I had not like just the factthat there was a 6 minute
trailer where that guy walked through the sets and was like,
you should see my movie. Like like that's just that's
insanity. And in closing the theaters to
anybody who came late, like I don't know, like that was to me

(01:25:01):
was it's just next level madness.
So. It's funny, I just watched the
Ed Gein show on Netflix and theyshow Hitchcock for Psycho, a lot
of that and I was just all I could picture was bear claws
Hitchcock. I couldn't even picture
Hitchcock anymore. Really.
Yeah. Like I just the most unhinged

(01:25:23):
individual I could imagine, or Icouldn't even imagine somebody
as unhinged as Alfred Hitchcock.So I really enjoyed making that
skit. So my favorite episode and you
know, me, I'm probably well, while Dan enjoys maybe a little
bit of the lighter movies, I like diving in deep and the
thing episode for me where we really that was a fun episode

(01:25:43):
where I, you know, I got to lay out my I got to put up my, you
know, my conspiracy board. I got we got to really dive in
deep and that's a movie I I dearly love.
So I mean, it's a John Carpenterclassic.
And just us being able to sit down and like talk that through
and air out some of the demons that have been roaming around in
my head for a while. That was just a fantastic

(01:26:05):
opportunity. So yeah.
And I want to thank you guys allfor being a part of it and thank
all of our listeners because, you know, that's, that's why we
do this. And it's also, we do it because
this is just, it's a good time and it's awesome.
And like I said, it lets me air out the many, many unhinged
thoughts that are that crawling around in my head.
Is there any ratings you would change from season?
No, I think very carefully aboutmy ratings.

(01:26:28):
It's always the first thing thatI write down after I've watched
the movie is I really sit down. I think pretty hard about it,
and I think I could still justify any one of my ratings to
any of these movies. I don't think there's anyone
that I felt I was too hard on ortoo lenient on.
Nice. I had a lot more middle this
time this season than last season.
Last season I was a little bit more polarized, but I feel like

(01:26:50):
there's a little bit more of a survivor tendency this time
around for me. Logan, how about you?
Is there a skater episode that you liked the best?
I mean Dan brought it up. The purge 1 is really good.
I forgot about the purge one. I like the paranormal
investigators one a lot. I love the man on the street
segments, man. Well.

(01:27:10):
I'll talk about that. I will definitely talk about.
That I'm shot in the head back here.
I love that. I think for me, the skit that
made me the most happy was The idea of The Thing.
I liked the Thing episode. It was just the most like I
thought US playing off of it throughout the episode of me

(01:27:31):
making that polarizing thing of Haight and.
John Carpenter, Yeah. I think was such a fun time.
We all had a great time, and some of us.
More than others. And I mean.
The risks you took risking your housing in.
Hey, we know what we for this. To our fans.

(01:27:52):
I love I love the Ghostbusters episode a lot.
I think that's one of my favorite ones.
It's kind of like an underrated.One that was.
Such a fun one. That was such a fun one.
I think we had all had like a ton of fun doing that movie, I
think because it was like so unlike all the other movies.
But the greatest episode for me is the Leprechaun in the Hood
episode I. Fucking love that episode 'cause

(01:28:14):
I. Think we're just when we hate or
not hate a movie as strong to say, but when we like when we
have such different ideas about a movie, it makes for such good
episodes like this. Like I think I think like
whenever we have like different ideas, it's just it makes for
good content. Friday the 13th part 5 too.
Like I feel like whenever we like have such like different.

(01:28:37):
Yeah. Polarizing.
Like it's just so good as far aslike things I would change maybe
the thing to victim. No, I like bear claw though.
I think I think very hard about mine.
And you know what I'm going to I'm going to reveal this to
everybody. I don't write down my rating
before the episode. I don't even think about it
before the episode. When we talk about it, it makes

(01:28:59):
me think of what it actually is.So.
You can be swayed. I can be swayed and it sometimes
it happens. Like there's been multiple times
where it happens where I'm like,Oh yeah, that I liked it or I
hated it. Like it just happens.
I can tell you, Logan, there's been a couple of times when
we've had, I had a couple episodes, I've gone in like
thinking I've absolutely hated amovie or I've absolutely loved a
movie and our discussions changeit.

(01:29:20):
Yeah, it just, it changes based on mood.
Like it's not just because like people's opinions, it's more
just I think about myself and like what I think about the
movie and it definitely changes based on what we talk about.
Yeah, I think as far as like thetwo year stretch goes, I think
what I liked more about this stretch was the idea that we
were kind of like riffing and itwas more fun that way because we

(01:29:43):
are having fun with like these ideas.
An idea that came to me like like legitimately almost like in
a dream was man on the street. I just, it came to me.
I'm like, you know what, It would be really funny to have a
news show going on while the purge is happening.
So that just came to me and it was just like it really struck.
Me. It's carried on.

(01:30:04):
Yeah, it's carried on. Fun and it keeps on coming in
whenever we have the chance, whenever someone has to do a
bathroom break or someone, you know, whenever we have kind of
like a time where I can I do my own history and it's very fun.
I think one of the big things I did like this season, even
though it was like in the early parts of the season was being
able to go on straight jacket talk or other show and be able

(01:30:25):
to watch some movies that we didwhat we did Gremlins we did.
We did the Invisible Man. Yeah, like I our Invisible Man
and I love that episode. I love that movie so much.
So being able to talk that even though it wasn't with you guys,
that thought like what's so interesting is like, I don't
really, you know, I'm not on that show, but I think like I

(01:30:46):
liked how we how we discussed itcuz it was so different from
ours. And I thought that was so cool.
Is like we have different thingsfor different people and it's
just like it's so it's so different and I think it's
unique. It has its own feel to it like
this podcast does. I think that's like what we
really got into it this season is that we got in our creative
strides. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

(01:31:08):
And also, I forgot to mention our our puppet master, and like
I said, whenever I even now, I even look up when I when I talk
about him, Nathan, I mean just the fantastic editing that he
does makes the show. So I definitely want to want to
give credit where credit is due.And I just know that there's a
healthy amount of fear and respect because, yeah, you know,

(01:31:29):
you can slice and dice things tomake us say just about anything.
I love the crow. Oh, I know, Nathan.
Will for me let. Me.
Just tell you, Nathan, you thought this season was rough on
you. Just wait for next season.
I got some movies. Leprechaun in Space is coming.
Don't worry about it. Well listen I think for me my
favorite skits Hitch Claw and I love the 9th gate one where we

(01:31:52):
did the different props that bear claw had.
Bought including. Dick Warlock's jockstrap.
That was such a good one. We couldn't stop laughing at
that. You know, as episodes go,
Halloween 5 or The thing I thinkare my favorites just because we
had so much fun and I thought the conversations just were it
was, it was so fun. Do you remember your

(01:32:13):
conversations for the thing we were?
Drinking a little bit. Too.
Which helped as far as a rating I would change.
I'm with Dan St. Trash I might give a killer to
because I really enjoyed that. One, I know that movie still
sticks into my head, you know, like I still keep going.
I need to go back and revisit. That I think I gave it a
survivor, yeah, I'd stay by thatbecause.

(01:32:33):
I gave it a killer. Logan gave it a killer and I
think Nathan gave it a victim, but all of us were at.
We were kind of in the middle, Ithink.
Yeah, if I remember correctly. If you haven't already, please
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for Halloween this year. Yeah, Let me know what your

(01:33:16):
costume is going to be. You know which Ghostbuster
you're going to be. And feel free.
I don't want, I don't want you to feel constrained here.
You know, Old Bear Claw is here to listen.
I want to hear some conspiracy theories.
You got some wild theories abouta movie.
Lay him down on me. I'm ready for him.
Let's get out. Let's get out the whiteboard and
make some connections here. And I'm also always working on
my unified theory of Cage. So you know, I'm, I'm going to

(01:33:40):
crack that that egg one day. You'll see.
I'm going to connect everyone ofhis movies and it's all going to
make some type of unhinged sense.
Awesome. Well that does it for our review
on Stephen King's Pet Sematary. We'll be back for Season 3 with
Dan's pick. Jason goes to hell.
Oh yeah, and now is is Jason in this movie?

(01:34:00):
You'll have to find out. TuneIn next time to find out.
But until then, back to the pattern room with you and Happy
Halloween. This shit's gone so horrible.

(01:34:21):
It's completely gone on hinges. There's.
Batteries. Doors locked, you lock.
The doors don't go on the road. We got to get to the road.

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