Halloween III: Season of The Witch: Straitjacket Talk

A special Spooky Season bonus! Straitjacket Talk’s Halloween III: Season of the Witch episode from 2024! The Halloween without Michael Myers..but we do get Dr. Challis. Also, some masks that turn kids heads into snakes and bugs?! Join us as review one of the most unique horror movies of all time- from being one of the most hated to now a cult classic..

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Skeleton. Yeah, fuck.
Your shirt goes hard though. I.
Can't believe we're wearing 2 Tight tight is.
Yours a crop top though. It isn't.
Should it be? Yes.

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Hey everyone, welcome to Straitjacket Talk.
My name is Kevin and I'm joined by my Co host Nathan.
Nathan, what's going on, man? Nothing much.
How you doing, Kevin? I'm good, I'm real good and I'm
so good that we have Jill joining us permanently as one of

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our Co hosts now. Right.
I just became a fixture. Thanks for having me.
Forever. That's right, you can't go
anywhere now I'm. Not leaving.
Yeah, that's it. You're stuck with straight
jacket Tuck. But thank you for being here
with us as we discuss Halloween Three season of the witch, Where

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is Michael Myers? What's up with that?
I'm not in this movie. What's up with that?
What's up with that? He's he's a busy man.
He had things to do. People would kill.
You know. Apparently, this movie was
written and directed by Tommy Lee Wallace.
It was produced by Deborah Hill and John Carpenter.

(01:42):
The Dream Team from Halloween isin on this one.
John Carpenter's soundtrack too,Which?
Bangers. Yes.
Yes, he was on the music with Ellen Howarth.
Oh no, I believe I have his lastname right.

(02:03):
I'm no good with names. We figured that out over the
course of this. I'm no good with names.
I'm no good with math. No good with allergies?
Not good with allergies, but I'mgood with horror there.
You go. What was cool about this one is
that, you know, you had really John Carpenter and Deborah Hill

(02:28):
back from Halloween one. They also were involved in
Halloween 2 and they came back for this one, Halloween 3.
And this was supposed to be the start of an anthology series.
They wanted to separate themselves from Michael Myers
and move on. Pretty bold move though to move
on from Michael Myers, no? Yeah, I think it could have been

(02:52):
a good move, but honestly, I think Halloween too fucked it
up. I think that if they had just
decided to start an anthology, starting with Halloween too,
people might not have been so mad.
That's a good point. That's a good point I think,
Bear. Claw just keeps getting more and
more right over time about Halloween too.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, if if you haven't listened

(03:13):
to the Mouths of Madness ever, Bear Claw, who is a member of
the Mouths of Madness, keeps bringing up that Halloween 2
kind of ruined the I guess the lore of Halloween pretty much
and. He's not wrong.
I did agree with him about the movie overall, but he's not
wrong. Yeah, 'cause it did set things

(03:35):
down a way different path, mayberuined some of what made
Halloween 1978 so awesome. I think what was cool on this
one is you had a kind of different story.
They wanted to go with the anthology.
Like we said, the script was originally written by Nigel
Neal, who was a English sci-fi writer, and he pinned the

(04:00):
script. That was, I guess in reading, a
little racist towards Irish people.
Oh man, he just dumped on them. They were the butt of his
ridicule. For me.
It was a British version of blatant racism.
I shudder to think if he'd been raised in the American South,
what he would have done with that way of thinking and

(04:21):
attitude. Irish Halloween, then.
California, can we know? OK, Yeah, Now it's been said
that he was pissed that John Carpenter and Tommy Lee Wallace
took his script and made it moreviolence and he wanted his name
removed from the credits becausethey changed his script.

(04:43):
But what I had read was it was due to a lot of Irish racism he
had put in the script so. Oh, so they changed a whole
bunch of it. OK.
Yeah, and he was pissed, I guessthat that's.
What I really want to know what was on there?
Yeah, now I really want to know as well.

(05:03):
Going to have to scour Reddit. Maybe was.
It like a lot of potato famine jokes or like I don't.
Know. I mean, at the time, wasn't that
the time of the whole IRA and the war going on?
Yeah, it would have been do. You think merger Thatcher had
girl power? Yes, of course.

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Do you think she effectively utilized girl power by funneling
money to illegal paramilitary death squads in Northern
Ireland? I don't know about that.
Yeah, OK. You know that makes it worse.
Yeah, a little bit. So pretty much, I mean, this was
a script heavily influenced by John Carpenter himself, which,

(05:45):
you know, became the final product of Halloween season of
the Witch. This movie had a budget of $4.6
million. Do you know how much it grossed
at the box office? We're going to play a little
game here. Oh God, Nathan, what do you
think? I know.
That people were not happy that Michael Myers was not in this

(06:06):
movie from the very beginning. And I'm pretty sure it flopped
hard because of that. So I'm going to say like 2.8
million. It's a pretty specific number,
Jill. What do you think?
I'm gonna go 3.8 million. Well, you guys are both way off,

(06:32):
OK. Yeah, when you told me pretty
specific, I was like, did I get it bang on or?
I thought you did too. Well, most times people are like
10 million. You're like.
I got you. .8 it grows $14.4 million.
Oh, so it made money? So it did make some money, but

(06:53):
yeah, not a. Some money.
When you consider how much the theaters take and the amount of
money for marketing, it's actually three times your budget
actually isn't a huge amount of money.
Right. Some, some, some.
Now, currently on Rotten Tomatoes, this movie has a 50%

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critics score and a 29% audiencescore.
But what did we think about thismovie?
Now before we get into our review, if you guys could please
hit the like and subscribe button and hit the notification
bell because when we have any new videos, you'll be the first
to know. Isn't that right, Nathan?
Yes, it's a privilege. He didn't rehearse that at all.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Boom rightinto it.
Now, I do want to start the review off by kind of a
similarity thing here because wehad reviewed Jennifer's Body a
few reviews ago and there was anissue with that movie in the way
it was marketed and we talked a lot about how that affected kind

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of the viewership of that movie.The same sort of thing happened
with this movie, Halloween threeseason of the Witch.
They did not market it particularly well in the sense
of being honest with people and letting them know that Michael
Myers was not going to be in this movie.

(08:21):
Correct. Yeah.
Oh, they didn't. OK.
So what I saw in the marketing was a lot of this movie was the
tagline, the Halloween that no one comes home.
And they did do like teasers andthings like that, but there was
no nothing specifically that said, hey, Michael Myers isn't

(08:44):
in this movie. Like this is a completely
different storyline. So when people went to see this,
they were thinking like, they'rein the wrong movie.
Like, what the hell is this? What am I watching?
And I think it's because of thatsituation that it did have some
of the negative backlash. Now it did did make money, but

(09:06):
maybe that was a little bit on capitalizing on the Halloween
name. Well, if people went to the
movie not knowing that Michael Myers wasn't in it, rather it's
like they made their money fraudulently almost in a way,
right? It's like instead of asking for
permission, they asked for forgiveness.

(09:28):
They just like. Split it in there, yeah.
That's that's what they did, 100percent, 100%.
I got to say, for me growing up,I was one of those people that
didn't want to watch this because I knew Michael Myers
wasn't in it. You know, it was like blasphemy.
How do you have a Halloween movie without Michael Myers?

(09:50):
I was such a big Michael Myers fan and I know me and Nathan
have talked several times because we are like trying to
remember did we see this movie together growing up?
And Nathan, you were like, you never showed me it.
Yeah, the the only reason I saw any of the Halloween movies back
in high school really was because you were such a huge fan

(10:10):
of Halloween and of Michael Myers, and you were like, we're
not watching. Halloween 3 doesn't have Michael
Myers. Fuck that.
We're not watching. Whoa.
Oh, you are. So.
The. The end result is that I didn't
see Halloween 3 for the first time until about a week or two
ago. Let me tell you on you, Kevin, I

(10:32):
know. Let me tell you my my opinion
has changed. Like, I've opened my eyes up and
even when I first started, like watching this movie, you know, I
was still very guarded, like, like, I don't want to like this
movie, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, fuck them for
doing something different. But, you know, now years and

(10:56):
years later, I actually appreciate this movie a lot more
for what it was and what it was trying to do.
But I think, Nathan, you're 100%right.
I think if they had started thisat #2 versus #3 it probably
would have had a, you know, better results and maybe they
were, would have been able to have an anthology series going

(11:19):
forward. But right, you know, like Jill
said, you're kind of asking, youknow, for forgiveness.
It's already too late. You've already alienated half
your audience. So that's why they had to bring
Michael Myers back in #4 But right.
I want to know what your overallthoughts are on this.
I want to go to Jill first because I want to save Nathan.

(11:42):
Oh, yeah, He's the real wild card here for this one.
You know, I I watched this a long time ago as a teenager.
So it was nice for me to, like, relive this experience after
such a long time. Before I get into like how I
feel about, you know, the lack of Michael Myers, I just want to

(12:04):
say like one really positive thing is that I really enjoyed
the salon Halloween folklore that they tie in there.
And I think it's really fitting for a franchise dubbed
Halloween. And it reminded me of the trick
or treat comic collection that has a story on the folklore of

(12:24):
like, the Halloween traditions, which is very similar.
Did you end up reading that one,Kevin?
Yeah, yeah, 100% and actually. Book.
Yeah, when I read it, I was thinking of specifically of the
movie Halloween. Really.
Three. Yeah.
That's cool. So, you know, I would have loved
to have seen more of that. But, you know, I, I think it's a

(12:47):
shame how the franchise kind of played out with this installment
unintentionally being sandwichedbetween the rest of the Michael
Myers saga. You know, the Halloween series
is synonymous with Michael Myers, and it's difficult for an
audience to detach from that idea.
I also have trouble accepting that myself, you know?

(13:11):
But they are supposed to end Michael's story after Halloween
too, and then keep going. You know, with the anthology
series, that didn't happen. I think if they went that route,
it would have been really strong.
I'm a big lover of anthology horror especially, and I think
that this certain story specifically really lends itself

(13:33):
to an anthology format. My biggest gripe with this movie
is that it's a bit long for the concept and I feel like it would
have been more effective as a short, especially with the
cliffhanger ending, which reallymade me angry.
I found it to be kind of lackluster, and if you're going
to set up this concept in a horror movie of kids being

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brainwashed and horrifically killed with masks and stuff, I
think you really have to deliveron that promise.
And in the nicest way possible, I wanted to see more kids die
the way that little Buddy did. Any other?
Variations of the mask, Yeah. So, you know, I that would have
really sold it for me personally, but I was just let
down by the what if ending. Like show me.

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Yeah. But yeah, that's how I feel.
Nathan a lot of that. Fuck them kids, right?
Yeah, entirely. I must go punch that baby.
I agree with a lot of what Jill said.
Actually. It had crossed my mind and I was
going to say that this would have worked better if you had
cut this script down to an hour long and made it like an episode

(14:42):
of Tales From the Crypt. I totally agree with you on
that. I went into this movie, like I
said, I watched it for the firsttime 2 weeks ago, really wanting
to like it because I'm the one guy on the podcast who really
doesn't care that much about Michael Myers.
I, I, I just don't. I really love that first movie.

(15:03):
I know, I know, I love that first movie.
It's a classic, one of the best horror movies ever made.
But the character himself, as you go on, I don't care that
much, but I came away from this movie finding it mostly dull.
They I work at a motel and I spend less time in that motel

(15:26):
than these people did in the motel in this fucking movie.
It just feels like not a lot of lot happens for the most part
and the characters are pretty underdeveloped.
Especially Ellie is totally underdeveloped.
She basically like I could not imagine her existing out the

(15:49):
outside the confines of this movie because we learned nothing
about her at all. So that's most I I didn't hate
it. There's a lot to love about this
movie, but it's a long, long hour and 40 minutes.
I think a lot of the script was kind of convoluted.

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And the problem I have right is if you're going to make an
anthology series, this might have not been the script to
start with either. Like, there's a lot.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like, keep it more simple. I think simple works.
And I think this was trying to do a whole bunch of things.

(16:30):
And I think to your point about like being dull, is it?
It was like all over the place with stuff.
There's androids, there's, you know, killing kids, there's
Stonehenge, there's Tom Hanks drinking Willy Wonka, You know,

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it just felt all over the place a little bit.
And when you have that, when youdon't have a main focus, you
know, the audience itself is like, well, what am I caring
about, you know? I actually kind of love the
chaos. I think that's like part of the
charm for me. If you like, boil this down and
just like ignore all the flaws of everything.

(17:12):
It is a fun, chaotic movie. Like I really do love the
concept that they have going on here.
And like I said, this would havebeen so good as a short like 40
minutes to an hour tops. I think it would have been great
and they could explore everything they need to explore.
Take out a lot of the detective work bullshit that we didn't
need. Would have been great.

(17:34):
Can I can I ask why was a doctorlike heading up this
investigation? I like Doctor Chalice, but why?
Why did he have to go investigate all this stuff?
He doesn't really have motivation.
Why does Ellie go to Doctor Chalice when there are police

(17:54):
involved? She just trusted him.
It's the mustache. He he was a trusting stole.
No, it is not. I'm.
Sorry, I'm I'm sorry. That mustache is red flag.
Oh, no, like appearance. Sorry, no.
I like the mustache, although I do have to say that if Doctor

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Chalice existed in real life, hewould be a broke man because
he'd have to settle so many sexual harassment lawsuits.
But. Yeah, he gives me creepy vibes.
The hospital would have him in HR every other day.
Yeah. You know, that's why he had
enough time to go on investigation.

(18:37):
He keeps getting. Friends.
Leave. Yeah.
Yeah, at the sake of his kids that he never sees.
Linda, Linda, take it easy. I'll be back to take them.
Trick or treating. I promise I'll call.
No, I can't remember the name ofthe hotel.
I'll call you Monday. I gotta go.
Again, fuck your kids. You know, like.

(18:57):
His ex-wife and those kids didn't need to be in this.
Yeah, they added nothing. You know what?
That's a perfect point, Dr. Chalice, right?
He's he's supposed to be the main antagonist or protagonist,
not anti he. The lines blurred really with
with Doctor Chalice. He's not really a good guy.

(19:18):
That's what I mean, Yeah, right.Shouldn't they be trying to make
us like him? I think they're trying to make
him cool, you know? But he's a cool guy. 40 years of
progress will will change people's views about certain
characters and I I think he probably was considered cool

(19:43):
back in 1982. Was it?
82, yeah. Yeah.
Cool guy. Yeah, grabbing nurses asses.
He was flirting with everybody. Why did?
Ellie all of a sudden decide that she wanted to bang Doctor
Chalice. Did anybody see that coming

(20:05):
before it happened? I mean, other than the fact
that, you know, Tom Atkins is inthe movie, therefore the chicks
are going to want to bang him because that's like what that
actor, the treatment he gets in a movie.
But like I I wasn't expecting itat the time it happened because
they hadn't established. Any connection between the two

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at all? It was just all of a sudden
they're in the motel room. Where do you want to sleep,
Doctor Chavez? That's a dumb question, Miss
Grimpage. Even her dad just died and
stuff, isn't it? I don't know it's.
A gratuitous sex scene. Yeah.
No nudity. Yeah.
There was a little bit we see Tom.
Atkins a bias? Yeah, we did not see a nipple.

(20:49):
We did. I thought we saw a nipple.
I did not see a full. Saw a right nipple.
There was a no nipple clause. We saw a right nipple.
So they could shoot my breast, but they could not shoot my
nipple. We saw a right.
Nipple. I saw an areola.
Didn't he like suck on her? Nipple suck on her nipples.
Yeah, right. Trust me, I would have known
there was. There was nothing.

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The worst part about that was doesn't she say something to
him? Like, shouldn't we check that
out or something like that when Mrs. Gutman is like dying?
Yeah, yeah, she goes. What was that?
Yeah. And he goes, who cares?
What's that? Who cares?

(21:30):
What a cool guy. There's something about her.
Thing though. Go on.
No, no, no. I want to hear the coolest thing
about Tom. Atkins I will just say that you
know Tom Atkins as an old man like is actually pretty sexy.
Tom Atkins in this movie not sexy, doesn't do it for me.
But when he throws his mask overthat security camera and like 1

(21:55):
like little flickeroo there. Oh yeah.
That was pretty freaking cool. Yeah, that was a good athletic
move there. Yeah.
So the Doctor. Unbelievable.
I was going to say who? Who knew?
The Doctor had it in him, you know.
How do you? Also, get some soap out of this
chair. Like honestly.

(22:16):
Man. Yeah, do anything.
Well, my God, that whole escape sequence was so full of
inconvenience. The mask covers the the camera
so they can't see what Tom Atkins is doing.
But, you know, the boss man's onthe phone, so he can't just tell

(22:37):
him right away that something went wrong with the camera or
just take it upon themselves as androids be, you know,
programmed to go down there and check out what's going on.
And also that vent that that vent is, you know, that's just a
normal thing to be there right there, you know.
Well, listen, they got Stonehenge there.

(22:58):
I mean, everything else can be explained, right?
It's wild. Oh.
My. Gosh, that's wild.
And, well, that's. 1/01/02 Right, I have that question.
Stonehenge. If you chip fragments of it, it
takes you to another dimension. Is that what happens in the

(23:18):
mask? I thought people were just
getting lasered in the head. Same.
Are you saying that Stonehenge is a gateway?
Well, because there were fragments of Stonehenge in that
chip, right in the mask, yeah. I didn't realize that.
That's what they were doing. They were chipping pieces of
Stonehenge in this map, in the chip, in the mask.

(23:42):
I guess when it had the musical cue from the commercial or
whatever, that's when it was going to fry their faces and
brains and send all the bugs andsnakes and shit out of their
face. Why did it need a circuit board
in there? What was that about?
It's a technological witchcraft.OK.

(24:05):
A lot of witchery here, Nathan. Witcher.
But that's how Missus Gutman dies, because she's like picking
at the chip and like the shards of the Stonehenge rock, like set
off the laser. I don't know about you but that
scared the shit out of me when that first.
Happened jump scare. Yeah, yeah.
That, that that was a good, thatwas a good scene.

(24:26):
We shouldn't focus entirely on everything wrong with this
movie. Yeah, no, the makeup and effects
were really good, Really good, especially in that scene with
her mouth. Yeah, that was scary as hell.
Yeah. And the, the the opening was
really, really good. I thought I, I was really

(24:46):
expecting this movie to be greatfor the 1st 1015 minutes or so
of the movie because it establishes this great mystery.
Like why are those guys after Ellie's dad?
I don't know. And then the issue is, is once
Ellie and and and Tom Atkins gettogether everything goes

(25:08):
downhill. Like that car, you know that
crush the Android. I feel like the best part about
this movie is the atmosphere, because I think it does have
really good atmosphere. A lot of it, like 90% of it, the

(25:28):
hotel scene or scenes, I think are the points that it kind of
lags and drags. And but, you know, like you
said, the opening has great, I think atmosphere, great music,
tension building again, that's that's perfect.
Right. And that first kill and then the
Android goes out and and self immolates there and it's like,

(25:53):
yeah, what's going on? I have to know what's going on.
This is so great so far. Jill had brought up a great
point about wanting to see more deaths with the kids.
And I actually think that that would have been cool even just
seeing more. Like, I wish Tom Atkins was able
to get away from the town Santa Mira and head back to where he

(26:18):
was and try to stop trick or treaters in person.
You know, like take off your mask.
And we would have seen more actual Halloween type of stuff
because there are those scenes where you see trick or treaters
and they're like silhouetted with the sunset in the
background. And that was great atmosphere.

(26:38):
I want to see more of that. Absolutely.
I agree. You know, the scenes, I, I think
there's too many scenes where they're in like the industry and
like the, the building and all that.
And I think that takes away fromsome of that actual Halloween
type of. And Ellie wraps herself in a
hotel blanket. She's not too young for him

(27:00):
though. That was.
Hilarious. Sorry.
Go ahead, Jill. Oh sorry, I just had a question
for you guys. Did you guys think it was maybe
a little tame on the PG side? You know, apart from the steamy
hotel scene and some of the gore.
When you look at movies from that era, I don't think it's
really much more tame than a lotof movies from that era.

(27:24):
I mean, you look at the first Halloween, there really isn't
that much crazy gore in that movie.
There's more kills for sure, butthere's a.
City, I think there's more in that.
Is there nudity in the first Halloween movie?
There is, there is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So see. Anything you like?
Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
And Judith is naked at the beginning when young Michael.

(27:48):
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had a lot of problems with this movie, but for me that that
it wasn't really one of them. I think, I think actually though
more maybe more gore would have helped a little bit and maybe
made it more exciting in scenes because I think some of the the
makeup effects, like you were saying, we're really good with
Mrs. Gottman buddy when hit buddy junior like that and that

(28:13):
mask fucking disintegrates and like, Oh my God, like he's
trying to take it off. Yeah, yeah, the problem is
really good. In order to have more gore, you
have to have more stuff actuallyhappen.
Dang, well, this gets into like,we should have seen more kids
and like, bad stuff happening tothem with the masks.
Yeah, yeah. You.

(28:34):
Know. I think that this kind of like
transcends a couple of genres. Like it's not just horror,
there's a bit of fantasy in there.
There's a bit of sci-fi in there.
So I think all those elements kind of remind me of, you know,
like Goosebumps or Are You Afraid of the Dark or, you know,
things like that we watched in our childhood.
So that's what really reminded me of that.

(28:56):
Is that like sci-fi fantasy element in there?
Yeah, would you have wanted? In this, yeah, absolutely.
Like I said, I want to see the witch mask on like a little
girls face, you know, disintegrating the same way it
happened to Buddy Junior or Little Buddy or whatever his
name is. Yeah.
And I want to see the skull masktoo.
Like I just, I don't want to just see the pumpkin, Right?

(29:17):
Yeah. You want to see more?
You want to see? Yeah, I agree.
If you're going to have three masks, you got to show all three
doing that. Listen, how to me, how iconic
are these three masks? Like, I think they fucking look
awesome, you know? Yeah, Don post made these masks.
I I think that they're such justlike a cool thing to look at

(29:39):
aesthetically and I know there'sonly three, but they each look
their classic. Yeah, I was going to say
something like I totally agree with you that the masks look
really great. They're awesome masks.
But it is a little absurd that every single kid in the country
wants to go is one of three things for Halloween.

(30:02):
That's not absurd in a bad way. I'm not complaining.
I found it hilarious and great like that.
The the ballerina with the pumpkin skateboarding down the
road was great. I can see it happening because
have you seen kids with Stanley Cups in like the past year?
Yeah, I had no. Idea what Stanley Cups were.

(30:24):
There you go. I had no idea what those were
until all of a sudden it was a big news story that people were
like knocking each other over for the Stanley Cups.
Yeah, Jill's need to fit in. Jill's 100% right.
Do you think, though, that that's more an underlying theme
of this movie too, where it is like consumerism or, you know.

(30:45):
Capitalism. Yeah, right.
Yeah. And this need to have and be a
part of something more like the countdown.
You know, the fucking song. Holy shit.
Turn that down. Is it not like the, I mean, I

(31:06):
know the original Halloween songis ingrained in people says, but
this just gets in there, you know?
Yeah, they did a good job with that one.
Halloween. The London Bridge.
It's been there, yeah. London Bridge is public domain,
so. Yeah.

(31:26):
They're allowed to do what they want with it, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I think they're, I think
there is an underlying message in there about consumers and
capitalism. I don't, I don't know exactly
what they're trying to say with it other than it'll kill us all
eventually. But it's just.
We're all sheep, I guess. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't think

(31:50):
it was that deep the way they, the way they tried to convey
that message. But it's it's there.
It's there for sure. The way advertising seeps into
our brains and manipulates us. It's in there.
Mm hmm. Absolutely.
Joe, you had brought up a great point like this movie has

(32:11):
different kind of elements out play here especially with
different sci-fi and different horror elements.
I was reading that a lot of the influence of this movie was
Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Oh, yeah, And that's why the
ending is the way it is. Yeah, yeah.
So you said you weren't a fan ofthe ending, right?

(32:32):
No. There were, there were.
Apparently they had shot a different version of the ending
where you were able to like, I believe it was you were able to
hear kids screaming like he hadn't succeeded in shutting off
all the commercials off the TV. Would you have preferred that,

(32:55):
or did you like this better in that sense?
I don't know, I feel like that would also make me angry because
then you have to show me if you're just going to put like
the screaming there. I need to see the masks.
Like you went this far. Yeah.
I agree, that would have been pissed me off.
Yeah, you need the snakes and the bugs coming out of children

(33:16):
in the street, right? Yeah.
How bad ass would that have beento?
Show. A bunch of kids, I will say in
your movie. Yes.
I will. Cleansing, if you will.
This might be one of the darkestendings to any movie I've ever
seen, though. At the end of the day, even
though they didn't show it, you know that at the end of this

(33:39):
movie, all the children in the country died.
Third chamber's still running. Stop it.
Please, for God's sake. Please stop it.
There's no more time. You've got to please stop it.
Stop it now. Turn it off.
Well, except for Jehovah's Witness kids.
Oh my. God, that's true, that's true.
Never get candy from their houses on Halloween.
Maybe. That's the message of the movie.

(34:02):
Don't celebrate with me. Yeah.
I do kind of like the how it waspictured though at the end with
him just yelling stop it over and over again, you know,
because it's like that tension. It's almost kind of like not the
same, but how the original Halloween ended with just that
tension to leave you with, you know, things are unresolved

(34:26):
still. So I kind of appreciate that in
the ending. I'm actually a fan of the
ending. I like it.
I don't know. It wasn't really the problem,
wasn't that it, it felt unresolved.
It it it felt incomplete more than unresolved.
Yeah, exactly. I had just gotten done being
annoyed by them making Ellie into a robot and how that didn't

(34:46):
make any damn sense. Because if she's a robot, she
just let Tom Atkins destroy all those other robots and kill the
and then decides in the in the car.
OK, this is where I'm going to stop you.
Like. Yeah.
And so. I I thought that was the wrong
move. Like, I don't know.

(35:08):
Either have her die or save her.None of this robot stuff.
I don't, I don't need that. Either one would have been fined
by me because I mean, I didn't care about Ellie at all so.
That's how you really feel. Did you care about Doctor
Chalice? This movie doesn't have a good
character, I'll be honest. Connell.

(35:32):
Actually, you know what? Connell Cochrane makes for a
decent villain. Yeah, I like.
Him. I like Connell Cochrane.
He. Was a creepy villain man I, I I
love how he has that kind of nice eerie villain esque face
you know he's. Yeah.
Bizarro World's Willy Wonka likeI.
Said yes, Yeah. That was another thing I wanted

(35:55):
to bring up like one of my favorite scenes.
It was a factory tour because itwas very Willy Wonka.
And I love that they showed how the masks were being made.
They really didn't have to add that bit to the movie.
And they did. And I I think it really added to
like the whimsy atmosphere for me.
I don't know. I really like that bit.

(36:17):
Yeah, that was a that was definitely.
I agree with that. That was a good bit.
What's in? The final processing.
Stonehenge. Yeah.
The final inspection involves volatile chemicals.
We don't want to bring you to a dangerous place.
And I'm sitting there thinking, how can an inspection involve

(36:38):
volatile chemicals? Wouldn't that be in the
manufacturing? But you've shown them that
already. Not a smooth liar, you.
Know not exactly did did ColonelCochran did he ever say why
specifically he wanted to kill kids he just wanted to bring.
It it goes back to like the Sawan tradition of like not all

(37:02):
the like folklore. This agrees with this because I
didn't know about this so I had to look it up.
But some tales talk about sacrificing a bunch of children
to Satan, so I don't know how Pagan that is or if that's like
the Christian side of it it. Seems like it might be

(37:23):
propaganda, yeah. Yeah, he wanted to do another
ritual because it's been like ages since they did it and I
don't remember what the point was, but that was the gist of
it. When Doctor Atkins, he was
talking to Doctor Atkins, DoctorChallis, he was talking to
Doctor Chalice and he was like, you want to know why?

(37:44):
Because it's a great joke and a joke on the children.
And I was like, oh, if you leaveit at that, that would be, oh,
no, you're, you're still talking.
I do love a good joke. And this is the best ever a joke
on the children. But there's a better reason,
because I I would have preferredlogging.

(38:05):
Yeah, No, I would have preferredhim to just be like, it's a
practical joke. I'm a practical jokester.
And. And it's like, OK, the reason is
because he's evil and that's fine by me.
But then he went into some stuffwith the.
Yeah, the Sow and. If you were just, if there was
more of that would have made sense, but there wasn't.
Yeah, he just kind of presented it as a monologue and then

(38:29):
expected you to just go with it.And yeah, I would have just gone
with the practical joke part instead myself.
Same. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Because things are always scarier, too.
And like, everything's not explained.
Like, I don't know, we talk about a lot, you know, because,
like, they do that with Stonehenge.
He has the line, you know, when they ask him how they got it

(38:52):
there, he was like, don't ask mehow we got it here, Stonehenge.
We had a time getting it here. You wouldn't believe how we did
it. It was just one line and that's
it. Like.
Don't ask me how I did it, I just did it.
It was hard, right? Yeah, right.

(39:13):
Like I like that. Don't don't get into too
detailed on it, because then it get becomes even more and more
convoluted and then you know, but.
That's the thing. The simplicity of Michael Myers
in that first movie is what makes my Michael Myers scary.
You have no idea why he's doing what he's doing.
He's just doing it, and it's terrifying.

(39:37):
Whereas this there's a lot of exposition of stuff that I was
just like, OK. You know what, I want to ask you
both because we had, we had touched on it a little bit
earlier with maybe making this kind of a short shorter, like
ATV sort of episode. There's been a lot of talks
lately of, you know, Halloween doing ATV series, like a limited

(40:01):
thing on, you know, Peacock or something like that.
Would you want to see a Season of the Witch anthology series
come, you know, on streaming? Because there are a lot of
Halloween fans that don't want to see Michael Myers.
They actually want to see like aSeason of the Witch show.

(40:28):
Wouldn't that just be an anthology that you could put any
name on at the end of the day? Lincoln.
Yeah, yeah, but it would have. Wouldn't.
The Halloween. Halloween fans more by making an
anthology series that doesn't involve Michael Myers.
Everybody's just like, yeah. Maybe we're more accepting.

(40:50):
Now, I mean, I guess, but I I just don't see any reason to put
the Halloween name on it if you're going to, you know what
I'm saying? Because you're trying to make
money, you know, Halloween. I mean, I think this movie, this
movie now has way more of a following than it ever did.
I mean, it's become like a cult classic because now people

(41:12):
understand that this wasn't Michael Myers, are attached to
it and they are more accepting of, oh, this would have been
cool. You know, I think, you know,
again, a lot of it was that marketing because they did
something similar with HalloweenEnds too, where they marketed
that wrong as well. And that pissed off Halloween

(41:32):
fans, too. I know I'm the only one who
likes it. I like it too.
I think it too. Yeah, yeah, I just, we got a
whole podcast. You'd think from looking at the
Internet that there is 0 people who like that movie.
You got 3 right here. That's crazy.
I don't know, Joe, what do you think?
Do you think Season the Witch would make a good anthology

(41:56):
series? So yeah, I I'm kind of with
Nathan here. Like would it be the same
concepts of like witchcraft, like technological witchcraft
and that's like the theme of theanthology or something like
that? Or is it just a Halloween based,
like trick or treat sort of dealright?

(42:19):
You know, like Halloween based anthologies and maybe we could
get behind that, but you know, there's so many already out
there like it. What would define it from
everything else? Right.
How would you connect it? Specifically, the Season of the
Witch. Yeah.
Because otherwise it's just moreanother anthology series with

(42:41):
random stories, right? I mean, there's so many ways I
think you could go, but I think if you took the main properties
of season of which like the three masks and had a similar
type of concept, maybe just kindof a reimagining with kind of
the the ideas from Halloween 3, because there was a lot of talk

(43:03):
to like, Oh, well, they could doyou know the sequel to Halloween
3 on ATV show? Right.
I I mean, are we talking about an anthology or are we talking
about a limited series with the with the a story that directly
connects to Halloween 3? I was thinking you could do it
where you start with Season of the Witch and let that play out

(43:26):
and see how that goes and then you do like another one.
That, you know, that's a completely different story.
That makes it anthology OK. Like American Horror Story where
you have like a theme for the season but still an anthology.
Yeah, something like that. Yeah.
And like you test the waters with Season the Witch because
there is, you know, some familiarity there.

(43:48):
So you're not introducing a likebrand new concept out there?
But. It is a new concept because
you're asking people to be invested in new stories every
season. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm
honestly questioning how much the the Michael Myers one's even
going to work at this point, but.

(44:12):
Yeah, I mean, I want to see a a Michael Myers movie.
Admittedly. I don't care.
I know. Yeah.
Yeah. Give it to me.
I want. I know, I know, we're on the
opposite ends on that one, but. I did like how in Halloween 2018
and Halloween Kills, they did have the Halloween 3 masks as

(44:37):
kind of an Easter egg for fans. I thought that was kind of a
cool a cool thing. See, I didn't notice that when I
watched them because I hadn't seen Halloween 3.
Yeah, now you know. Now I know next time I watch
Halloween 2018 or Ends Not KillsI I will look out for that.

(45:02):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think there is a lot of good
things with Halloween Three Season of the Witch.
But I think for me, my favorite thing besides the atmosphere is
the music you had. Touched on it, really.
Like, how would you describe themusic?
Because I think it's almost likeHalloween, like 78 meets like

(45:23):
sci-fi type of. Yeah, I don't know.
Anytime John Carpenter does a soundtrack, I just sort of
describe it as John Carpenter. I honestly, because nobody else
really sounds exactly like him. Like, you know, there's a lot of
synth based, analog synth based soundtracks from back then.

(45:47):
A lot of them sound very similar, but somehow John
Carpenter did it, does it in a way that other people haven't
really emulated. Even like the The Stranger
Things song, the opening song isreally trying to be John
Carpenter, but it's like, it's not.

(46:09):
It's just not quite there. You know, as much as I like that
song in that show, it's it, it feels like it's trying to
emulate something and not quite getting there.
Do you? Think on the music.
Bangers love it. Yeah.
Yeah. John Carpenter is just, you
know, a master at that. And he has a very distinctive

(46:29):
style. You can't emulate it.
Yeah. One of the best things about
this movie is definitely the music.
Yeah, I agree. This movie actually also had
Halloween in it. Did you catch that?
Oh, on the TV, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, twice I believe,
actually. Those weren't the only Halloween

(46:49):
Easter eggs. Do you know the other ones?
Dick Warlock, who played the shape in Halloween 2, is one of
the androids. That is.
I'm a Halloween nerd. Name, I love it.
Warlock is a great name. Yeah.
Like you could be Dick Smith andit's like, but you put Warlock

(47:11):
at the end there and all of a sudden you've got like the best
name ever. He was a he was a famous
stuntman, but he played Michael Myers, the Shape in Halloween
too. So he's in this.
Also, Jamie Lee Curtis's voice is in this.
How is it? Yes, she is a message that goes

(47:33):
out in the town like across the loud.
Oh, the curfew. O'clock, it's 6:00.
Curfew. Curfew.
All residents of Santa Vera, please clear the street.
Oh, really? That's Jamie Lee Curtis.
That's her, and I believe she also has another voice cameo

(47:55):
when Doctor Atkins is trying to call somewhere and it's like the
operator, he's also that operator.
Too. OK, curfew at 6:00 is a little
ridiculous, is it not? It is.
This is how it was creepy, you know, I mean.
Yeah, I that is something I really liked about that.

(48:17):
And I thought we were gonna, when we were going, they were
going into the town and everybody's staring at them like
what the fuck? Somebody's here.
I was like, oh man, where are wegoing with this?
And then, well, the answer was nowhere.
That didn't go much of anywhere at all.

(48:37):
And then other people from outside came in and I was like,
these people should just be usedto outsiders coming in.
It seems to happen all the time.They've got a motel for that
purpose. For some reason everyone
converged on this little hotel like out of the blue, you know?
Just all of a sudden it was the a very busy motel.

(48:59):
Yeah, well, I mean, I guess 3 guests isn't isn't 3 rooms sold
isn't actually the busiest, but you know.
For this place there was Mark. Actually Marge Gutman was Tom
Atkins real life wife? Oh really?
Yep. So he's banging the young girl
in the next room next to his real life.

(49:20):
Wife who's who's getting laseredin the face?
Yeah, yeah. Who cares though?
Yeah, who cares? Oh man, that makes it even
worse. Actually.
I never thought about that. Wait a minute, this fact, this
factory too had their own medical facility?
No, that's what they said. He lied.

(49:45):
She's dead. They took her out back and
buried her. Listen, Colonel Cochran told me.
I'm going to believe what he says 0.
Yeah, just to go back to what you're saying about Santa Mira,
I thought it was a really good, like, eerie atmosphere kind of
setting. And the curfew I really liked

(50:08):
because it kind of reminded me of Silent Hill, you know?
Yeah. So it's brought me back there.
I wasn't complaining about the curfew.
I was just like, no, that's, that's.
Crazy. No, Yeah, no, it is crazy.
But it is there. There's something about that
that's like scary, dude, becauseeverybody around is just like,

(50:29):
Oh yeah, 6:00 curfew. And in my brain, I'm going no.
Yeah, no, you've got this, like,dystopia going on.
Yeah, at the same time, which I really love.
That would be a cool theme I think if they had ATV series to
explore more, you know, get moreinto dystopian.
OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be

(50:49):
cool. You could have an anthology TV
series where all the stories, the different stories take place
in Santa Mira because it is a good setting.
Like a silver Shamrock, you know, Yeah, type of series.
Yeah, that would be cool. Where like Silver Shamrock is
the tying thread to all these. Stories.
Yeah, they have a bunch of different, like, products and

(51:11):
toys, right? Yeah, like, yeah.
Yeah. There was.
Rumors. Racist ones.
There was rumors for a while that they were going to make the
Michael Myers mask a Silver Shamrock mask and tie it in that
way too, but he didn't go that route.

(51:32):
That would've been cool. It also kind of would have just
reminded everybody that Michael Myers is definitely not in this
movie, though, you know what I mean?
Like when we saw the first Halloween on the TVI was like,
oh, they're just rubbing it in everybody's face that this is
not a story about Michael Myers,aren't they?

(51:54):
Yeah. But isn't that that's always
like a bad thing, Like, right, If your movie is showing a
better movie in it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's not a
not usually a good idea, but I, I do have just a a few little
things that I, I thought about while watching nothing of any

(52:16):
real consequence. But don't you take off tags when
you buy something? Like you're saying the silver
Shamrock? Yeah, if you had a silver
Shamrock that wouldn't you just take that off?
That's different though, yeah. It was like a.
Like an emblem. Yeah, I was going to say emblem,
but it's or like logo. Or it's supposed to be like a

(52:39):
status simple thing. Yeah, like this.
OK, like putting Gibson on the headstock of a guitar.
OK, pretty much. Fine, that's what I thought.
Also, I don't know if you noticed this, but they managed
to put the title of the movie into the dialogue almost as good
as The Silence of the Lambs. When was this?

(53:02):
Yeah, the. The commercial When you like,
you can get one of the big Halloween 3 masks.
Yes kids, you too can one of thebig Halloween 3.
Stop it. Yeah, it's in the commercial.
Oh, that's rude as hell. That's that's.
Brazen. That's awesome.
You know what's awesome though, is you could have shown that

(53:23):
exact same commercial on real TV.
Yeah, you could have. Especially back then,
commercials for children's toys were were terribly annoying.
So it would have fit would have fit in perfectly.
I would have wanted these fucking masks.
Oh yeah. I guess there's only three of

(53:45):
them. Nathan they're like, you gotta
get all three, you know? Like, you know, one of those
masks would be incredibly hard to find.
It'd probably be the witch mask or something.
Yeah, yeah, you'd have to spend like 500 bucks on it on eBay to
get it because your shitty little kid wants 1.
OK idea for anthology series. McDonald's partners up with

(54:10):
Silver Shamrock and they come out with McDonald's masks.
This was the to go. Along with their shake.
Yeah. And then we can really hone in
on like the consumerism. Right, shit, that'll that'll
work. Oh my God, I want it.
I'll start writing it right now.What else do you have, Nathan?
You have like a list of like grinding your gears.

(54:31):
I love it. So none of that's grinding my
gear so much, but I mean like the tag thing was kind of like
contrivance, but fine. You would have ripped it off and
ended up like Marge Gutman. What did she think she was doing

(54:52):
with this I? Thought she was.
I I don't know, I've never seen.Everyone's an investigator in
this fucking movie. Curiosity killed the cat, I
suppose. But yeah, there's not much of
consequence on on my phone otherthan quarter kill and stuff like
that. So.
Go ahead. Unless you don't.
Yeah, it was really dumb for Ellie to run out of her dad's

(55:16):
car. Yeah, I don't know what she
expected. Let's see, the robot sneezing
was stupid. Bless you.
Convincing, aren't they? You know what, hang on, I got to

(55:36):
cut you off there. And I heard another podcast talk
about this. Why isn't he fucking selling
these androids? Especially female ones like
Ellie? Holy shit he'd be pulling in the
cash, no? I mean, if that's what sex spots
look in the future, I'm sorry. But there's more money in that
than killing kids. I thought, you know, you could

(55:57):
sell them to the government for like military.
Yeah, military damn prison. I just.
Go sex wise. Disgusting.
Right. Oh, I thought the medical
examiner lady was actually goingto end up saving the day, but
then. She didn't rest in pieces.

(56:20):
She got a drill right? Drill to the face, yeah.
I liked her actually. Yeah, I did too.
She was also banging Dr. Trellis.
Yeah, yeah. Another reason not to like him.
Actually he was. He was betraying her with that
woman. Who?
Everyone. Yeah, with Ellie, who?
We don't even know what she doesfor a living.

(56:42):
Oh wait, that's. His That's his ex-wife.
Oh my bad. Yeah, yeah.
We don't even know what Ellie does for a living.
She's such a non character that we don't know what she does for
a living. Maybe she was an Android all
along. Yeah, I don't think so.
I liked her dad's store though. I thought that was also a cool

(57:02):
little like whimsical but. Yeah, you, you probably shop at
the shopping mall sort of. Yeah, that kind of actually that
kind of ties back into our consumerism capitalism thing
there, because the shopping mallwould be like how we consider

(57:23):
Walmart today versus the mom andpop shop, so.
And just because you mentioned Stranger Things, was it season 3
or 4 where the mall opened up intheir town?
And. Oh yeah, I think that was great.
All the stuff went down. Yeah, yeah.
That was kind of like a similar thread there.
I liked that season a lot, actually.

(57:44):
I know. Isn't it that kind of a dark
horse season? Aren't there a lot of people?
I don't know? I guess there's a lot.
Of people, Yeah, it is. Yeah, everyone.
There's a lot of people who don't like anything after the
first season and I I can't disagree more.
Yeah, you gotta keep going. Yeah, I I can't wait for the new
season to come out because I think every season's been gold.
I haven't watched Stranger Things.

(58:04):
Yeah, I know you don't like thatshow, right?
What? You tried and you didn't like
it. I tried.
I don't know. What didn't you like about it?
That seems like it's up your alley.
Well, he hates. It's funny.
I like fun things. I don't get it.
I don't get it. It seems like that's your thing,
you know, like something you would like.
I don't know, I'll have to give it another try because honestly,

(58:26):
it was such a long time ago I don't even remember what I saw
to be to be honest. It's got a lot of horror in it.
I wouldn't call it a horror shownecessarily, but there's a lot
of horror in it. And I mean, everything about
that show is like catered to people our age.
Exactly. You know these babies stuff from

(58:48):
the. 80s Anything else on your list, Nathan?
No, I we'd be here for hours. It's fine.
All right, well, it's quote or kill time.
I added our own theme music in there.
See what I did? Yeah, my kill I'm going to start
out with because I love Dan on the mouths of madness said this

(59:12):
on our episode 1 when we did ourHalloween ranking, Marge, Marge
Gutman took the Bifrost rainbow to the face.
I love that fucking kill becauseit scared me like absolutely.
And it was horrifying. And the makeup effect was
really, really good It. Was really good, yeah.

(59:33):
Yeah, and those fucking bugs coming out.
Yeah. Wasn't that like a termite or
something? It was a really giant, just
gross thing, yeah. Yeah.
I don't like. Snakes.

(59:54):
Looks like yeah. Oh.
Yeah, snakes coming out, that that terrifies me.
Yeah. In SO not to derail us even
more, but in theory, when Buddy Junior dies in that room, his
parents are still locked in there, right?
And I think yes, but I. Think a rattlesnake comes but a

(01:00:15):
rattlesnake comes out. Does the rattlesnake like
eventually bite them and kill them?
I think the idea is that they died from the snake bites
because at the end all three of them are definitely dead.
Yeah, you see the snake bite somebody, right?
Yeah, the snake, definitely. You see him bite it, bite the
dad and but at the end they're all lying on the ground.

(01:00:37):
But only the kid had his fit head melted.
So I have to imagine it was the snakes and the bugs that got to
the parents. I wonder if they picked the the
pumpkin one because it was like the most vibrant color to show
cause like Jill was saying, I would have liked to see the
other ones melt faces. I wonder if they actually tested

(01:00:59):
that at any point or they just knew, like, hey, we're going to
go with the pumpkin. There's also some relatability
to the image of a pumpkin rotting.
Like I think. Everybody, everybody has
accidentally left a Jack O Lantern out too long and had to
deal with the aftermath. So that's a good point.

(01:01:23):
Dude, that is. It that is it a pumpkin is like,
you know, the icon for Halloweenand also like the Halloween
franchise. So it makes sense for them, if
they're going to pick one, to pick that.
Yeah, but would have. But I agree with you that it
would have been better to pick all three.
Yeah, and maybe have both or several.
Maybe have different deaths for all three of them too.

(01:01:46):
You could have done. Like other shit comes out.
Yeah, or or just, I don't know, have it something like with the
skull. Have it related to the skull,
whatever happens with the witch.Have it related to the witch,
whatever happens. We got all these, we got all
these good ideas. We're writing TV shows,
anthology, limited series Who? Owns the rights Miramax.

(01:02:08):
Miramax come thongs. Yeah, yeah.
Straight jacket talk we're here for.
You, Mustafa, caught off the. My quote is the quote from
Colonel Cochran when he he was talking about getting Stonehenge
and he said we had a time getting it here.

(01:02:29):
You wouldn't believe how we did it.
I just love like, that's it. Yeah, You know, we're done.
Don't ask me how I did it. I just did it.
It was hard, yeah. Right.
Fuck it. Can't believe I just quoted that
song twice in one show, but I know.
I love it. Jill, what about you quarter
kill? I'm going to go with Kill.

(01:02:50):
I don't really I didn't find this movie very quotable, but I
will bring up 1 scene that I really liked which was little
buddy on his bike like giving his mom the finger and just like
riding off. I thought that I was like, man,
this kid's an asshole is. It busted.
Don't you dare go in the street.Don't you hear me so?

(01:03:12):
It's so much better when he dies.
Honestly. I was between Marge Gutman.
Like you said, her death was just really shocking.
I didn't expect it and the way that it was done, like her teeth
and like her gums and everything.
Really gross. That was great.
But also a little buddy because there was that pay off from like

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the middle finger moment and youknow, the way that he died was
like so gruesome. And then the disgusting bugs and
worms and snakes, everything coming out of it, it just looks
so good. And I just wanted more of that.
So those were my favorite kills.What about you, Nathan?

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So I've got a favorite kill and then I'm not going to say it's a
favorite quote, but something that I just thought was funny
related to that kill. And that is when the bum says I
don't got no diseases. My.
I ain't got no diseases. Do you mind if I have a drink?
Can I have a swig off your drink?

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And I'm sitting there thinking, I wouldn't have thought you had
diseases until you said that. Now, I'm kind of sure you have
diseases. And he lets him do it.
He let's just like, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And he's a doctor. And he's a doctor.
He should know better. You should understand germ
theory a little bit. That was so unhinged, I loved
it. And then my favorite kill was

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the bum getting his head pulled off.
Head ripped off. Yeah, because there's something
so simple and visceral about it,Like it's really simple, but
it's also something that really can't be done by a normal human.
Yeah. And so I, I found that pretty
terrifying. I thought that was a real bright
spot in the movie that I didn't like that much.

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It's funny because that that hadbeing ripped off.
I really like how it was done. You know, it's just a simple
like you said and it was off. And and doing it in the shadow
so like you don't have to make the prop realistic.
I'm sure this had a small budget, right?
What did you say 4? 4.6 million.

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Yeah. So it was just a really smart
way to do it and it looked really good because they did it
that way. Now keep in mind they also had
to spend about half that budget on Tom Atkins beer for the
movie. Yeah, that makes sense.
He always had a beer. Yeah, or or a bottle in the case

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of Wendy was. Right.
I don't got no diseases. That's why you don't go, you
know, walking around dark alleyswith a brown paper bag of booze.
You know, you're a target. I don't know.
That's one of my favorite pastimes.

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You know vagrants. Only you I do it all the.
Time only you. Well, it's time for our final
rating now. We're going to rate this from
one to five stars. 5 is Tom Atkins mustache, although Jill
doesn't really like it. Yeah.

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Gross. One I like.
The mustache. Yeah, I like the mustache too.
Would you fuck them though? Yes.
We are different people. 11 is Buddy being a little asshole for

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me. I'm going to rate this 3.5.
I like a lot of this movie. I do a lot of it.
I think is actually pretty cool.The deaths I think we're pretty
cool, especially Marge Gutman, Billy or buddy.
Not Billy Buddy. I think it's, it's just, I think

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it's classic and it's scenes that you know will stand the
test of time. I think the music is amazing.
I think most the atmosphere is amazing.
Tom Atkins is amazing, even though he might not be the hero
we all necessarily need or wants, but he's the hero we have

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and I'm proud of him. Right?
Oh my goodness. I think what this movie is for
me now, like it's come a long way because I really didn't like
it to begin with. And I think now it it is like at
least a yearly watch for me around Halloween.
I even like watching this like in the background when I'm doing

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stuff because I don't know, it'sthat movie.
It has some comforting abilities.
I don't know for me, but you know, there is a lot that's I'm
not good with this movie. I think there it's convoluted at
times. I think it can be boring at
times, you know? So that's why I think it's 3.5.

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It's a little bit better than good for me.
So that's how I would rate it. Jill, what about you?
Yeah, I would also. I am.
I am not piggybacking off of youby the way.
No, I also will rate it 3.5 stars.
Yeah, I mean, it does have its flaws in the plot and all of

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that, but I love the concepts. I love the music, the makeup and
the effects. I would have preferred it as a
short, like I said, but it's a fun watch.
So, you know, it's just, it's just fun.
And 3.5 stars, That's all I got.What about you, Nathan?
Well, I've got this at 2 1/2 stars.

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I said most of what I had to sayabout it at the beginning of the
show. I find it mostly dull and I the
first time I watched it two weeks ago, I ended up pausing it
and going off and doing other stuff because it just wasn't
holding my attention. And then I came back and watched
the rest of it. And then when I watched it today

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for the show, I had a hard time not doing that again.
But I knew I couldn't do that because I had to review it.
So it's, it's full of plot conveniences and contrivances,
which is stuff you see a lot andstuff I excuse a lot if the rest

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of it is compelling enough. The very the the 1st 1015
minutes are great and then it goes downhill and it never
brought me back. I I don't hate it, I I just
think it's aggressively mediocreI guess.
I think that's fair. I mean, we did say it was a very
polarizing movie, yeah. Although the reason for it being

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polarizing is the reason that I don't have for like, it doesn't
matter to me that Michael Myers isn't in this movie.
Really. Yeah.
I mean, I think one of my biggest questions is always, do
you think this movie would have been better served not being
called Halloween 3 and just called Season the Witch or

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whatever? Fuck them kids.
I don't know. I think it would have been
better served for a lot of people.
Yeah, I, I do not me. That wouldn't change my opinion,
But I I don't think it would be as universally hated as it was
at the time it came out if if itwasn't called Halloween and
people weren't expecting MichaelMyers.

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I also don't think like it wouldhave picked up a cult status
like it has because it's associated with the Halloween
franchise. You might be right.
I think it goes both ways. Yeah, whoa.
That is a opinion I haven't heard too much on and I like
that. I could see some people deciding
that they want to like it for sort of contrarian reasons, but

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then realizing that they actually do like it.
You know what I'm saying, right?So I hear what you're saying for
sure. Well, Jill makes a good point
too. Like would this movie have like
if everything was the same but it wasn't Halloween, would it
have gotten like lumped in with a lot of the 80s stuff and been
more forgotten about and not talked about?

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I think so, yeah. But who knows?
That's a great cliffhanger to end this on.
Just like the movie, stop it. Now before we leave, we're going
to do our content consume. We're going to let you know what
we've been watching, what we've been listening to, what we've
been reading or gaming. For me, I just finished reading

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a graphic novel. Actually, I did 2 graphic novels
back-to-back. I did The Crow by James Obar and
I did Before the Mask, The Return of Leslie Vernon, which
was the sequel that never happened to Behind the Mask, The
Rise of Leslie Vernon. But I literally just read Before

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the Mask like a night or two agoand I read it in one sitting.
It was so freaking good. I loved it.
It was really cool to see where the story goes with Leslie
Vernon if you're a fan of that movie.
I'm a huge fan of that movie andam I?
Wrong, I thought it was a prequel.
So it's it's cool, it's a prequel slash sequel.

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It's it's really cool how they do it.
I don't want to give it away because like it is unique and
that's what I like about this script is because I think what I
was afraid of with Behind the Mask, The Rise of Leslie Vernon,
that movie is it's a very uniquemovie.
So like, how do you do a sequel to that movie without losing

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kind of its uniqueness? But right, I'm telling you this,
this strip that they came up with that they did the graphic
novel on, I think is really goodfor a sequel.
And I would have liked to see itplay out as a movie.
I think it was unique in what they came up with in this kind
of sequel, prequel type of moviewithin a movie idea.
I think they did it really well.So I I generally wish this could

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have been made into a movie, butit's not gonna be.
But at least we have this graphic novel and I do recommend
trying to find it, which is a. Task and 1/2 from what it seems,
yeah. Yeah, we had a we had a
Instagram fan reach out to us after our Behind the Mask, the
Rise of Leslie Vernon episode, and he sent me the link.

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He was a good guy. He sent me the link, so I
appreciate him. Jill, how about you?
What do you have for content consumed?
Right now I'm reading a book. I just started it last night.
It's called An Education in Malice by St.
Gibson and I had found her in a dark fairy tale anthology and I

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really liked her writing so I found more.
And you know, since it's Pride Month, it's basically if you
know, the tale of Carmilla, the vampire like story.
I don't know. This male.
To be honest with. OK, OK.
It it was like a vampire story that came out before Dracula,

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actually. Oh, really?
I don't think it's really well known, but this is a retelling
of that. But it's actually actually takes
place in your guys's neck of thewoods in Massachusetts because
it's a dark academia. OK.
So it's like in this all girls college and, you know, two hours
away from Boston, OK. And you have this inappropriate

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relationship between a professorand a student, and they're both
women. And then you find out that the
professor is actually a vampire.And then this other girl is in
there. So there's like this thing going
on between the three of them. It's really spicy.
And she has beautiful prose. That's actually the thing I like
about it the most is that I liketo annotate when I read.

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So I have like I've underlined this like so much, probably
can't see it, but beautiful prose, very luxurious.
I love it. So good.
We'll be picking up more books from her.
And then for things I've watched, I watched the Lady Gaga
Chromatica Ball, which is a concert she did.

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I think it was in Lai think so really good.
I love Lady Gaga, great artist, great performer, loved it.
And I also watched My Best Friend's Exorcism, which is
based off of a book that I'm trying to read in the somewhat
near future, but I decided to watch the movie first.

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It was OK. It's like 80s based, you know,
My best friend is possessed and we have to deal with it sort of
thing. So it was fun, wasn't amazing.
It was pretty mediocre. But, you know, but yeah, that's
about all I've been up to. How about you, Nathan?
Well, last week I actually went to the theater, believe it or

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not, for the first time in God knows how long.
Yeah, I went to see Furiosa and it is freaking incredible.
Yeah, I highly recommend seeing that.
And honestly, I highly recommendseeing it in the theater if you
can. I'd sort of forgotten how much

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being in the theater can enhancean experience.
And now it helps that because mywork schedule is weird, I went
at 4:00 on a Thursday. So I there was like a dozen
people in the whole damn theater, which was great because
I got all the the advantages of the theater, but there was no

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assholes. And if you fill a theater full,
there's going to be at least oneasshole, which is why I don't
like going to the theater. That's the way to do it.
The matinees, That's all I do, yeah.
Otherwise I'm not going. But it is.
It's badass. There's a lot less Anya Taylor
joy in that movie than you mightexpect.
I was really, I could imagine some people coming coming away

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from it disappointed by that, but I didn't care because the
whole thing was just so badass. And Saint Vincent came out with
her new album about a month ago.So I've been listening to that
pretty religiously. I I have not listened to any

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music that is not that album in like a month.
It is great. And she's coming to Boston in
September and I'm. I've seen her once before and
I'm really thinking I might wantto go see her again.
Yeah, she. This album is rocks a lot harder

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than a lot of her previous work.It's a lot heavier than a lot of
her previous work. She's.
Usually pretty soft. Yeah, yeah.
But the fuzz, the fuzz pedal is on the board for this album.
For sure I'll have. To check it.
Out. Yeah, it's it's really good.

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I also watched Lost Highway by David Lynch because Jill
mentioned something about Twin Twin Peaks a couple episodes ago
and I was like oh that's right, I am a David Lynch fan and there
are David Lynch movies I haven'tseen yet.
Yeah, wacky. That was really good.
I don't want to get too into. I haven't seen it.

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There's no way to talk about it without spoiling things, so I
won't talk anymore about it. But if you're a David Lynch fan
and you like surrealism, that one's about as surreal and
strange as it gets. Even for David Lynch, This one's
out there. Don't tempt me, Frodo.
I would highly recommend seekingit out.

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If yeah, if you're a David Lynchfan and you haven't seen it,
definitely want to see that one.It's up there with Mulholland
Drive. Another cliffhanger, Nathan.
Another movie with no resolutionbut.
Oh man, well that was our reviewon Halloween three season the

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Witch. We'll be back soon with another
review, but until then, back to the pattern room.

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My mouse at the end and I was like, oh God, please don't stop
the recording.