Mandy (2018): Straitjacket Talk

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Are you guys ready to explore the Nick Cage Cinematic
Universe? Yeah.
Yeah. Hey everyone, welcome to

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Straitjacket Talk, where it's two guys, a girl, and a horror
show. My name is Kevin and I'm joined
by a guy who gets ready for the show by screaming in the
bathroom in his underwear. It's Nathan.
That's where I keep my bottle ofvodka under the sink there.
It's like black Christmas. Yeah.

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Right, the lady this. Is Mac.
This is Mac. I'm also joined by a girl who
laughs in the face of pretentious naked dudes.
It's Jill. Absolutely.
You got to bring him down a a peg.
And we have a very special guest.
We have Bear Claw from the Mouths of Madness podcast
joining us because he is our favorite bear to the claw.

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Mayor Claude, thanks for joiningus.
Oh yeah, excited to be here, Kevin.
This is, this is going to be a journey and we're all on it
together. So I couldn't be more excited.
Whether we want to or not, we'reon this.
Journey willing or otherwise, this is a journey we're going on
together. Let's dive in.
We watched Mandy from 2018. It was directed by.

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Oh no, Panos Cosmatos. There you go.
Panos Cosmatos. It was also written by.
Panos Cosmatos. Smallest name ever.
Along with Aaron Stewart on Barical.
I'm glad you said that because Ialmost thought his name was like
made intentionally for this movie.
Like he was using a pen name or pseudo name.

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That's what I thought. Is that not the case or is that
his real name? That's great.
Awesome. Real name, yeah.
Oh, it's just real Italian. Yeah, Cosmatos.
Like he, you know, you get cosmic of like.
That's what I was thinking. I mean, his name is perfect to
be the director of. This movie, everything about

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this movie fits everything. Like a puzzle.
Something I learned today. Elijah Wood is a producer of
this movie. Did you know that's?
Wild. That also makes a lot of sense.
Well Elijah Wood has is like a weirdo cinephile type guy who
produces weird shit apparently. That's awesome.

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You know what's even more awesome is this movie stars
Nicolas Cage. Motherfucking cage.
Oh, Nicolas Cage. I don't care what anybody feels
about him. I love him.
Oh yeah. I will go to battle and defend
him every time. I I love Nicolas Cage.
Even when he's in a bad movie, he can be entertaining all by

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himself. So Renfield.
I haven't seen that, but I'm sure he's entertaining.
Yeah, don't watch it. It's not good.
He's a good Count Dracula, but you're absolutely right, the
movie is just all. Disappointing.
Yeah, you should see the whiteboard I have.
I'm coming together with The Unified Theory of Cage where I'm
going to connect every Nicolas Cage movie through some type of
half baked conspiracy theory. Do you want a Charlie Day thing

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here? Yeah, exactly.
Pepe, Sylvia. Pepe, Sylvia.
Pepe, Sylvia, look in the mail. With this whole boxes Pepe
Sylvia bear claws got the seven degrees of nick cage separation
they're. Like Nicolas?
Cage. They all fit.
Can't you see they all fit? No bees.
Independently it doesn't make sense, but when you put it all

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together, it's a beautiful mosaic, just like.
Nicolas Cage. Oh, my goodness.
Mandy had a budget of $6 million.
Do you know how much it made at the box office?
Bear Claw, you're the guest. We'll start with you. $100
million. Wow, Nathan, what are you
thinking? Even though I know it had kind
of a bad run at the theaters, but no, it was $6 million.

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Let me let me think about it fora second.
So $6 million. Is retracted.
I'm going to say it, $15 million.
Did this even have a full release in the theaters?
I know it's a Shutter original. It was in the theaters.
Was it like in all of them wide release?
Maybe not all of them, but I know it was in theaters.
I I just can't imagine this movie actually doing well with a

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mainstream audience. I'm going to say it lost money.
I'm going to say it made $4 million.
OK, I'm not. I'm not piggybacking off of Bear
Claw because right before he answered, we like
telepathically, like talk to each other.
And I was like 15. So yeah, I'm gonna say 15.
Was it billion 15? Million.
Yeah, 15 billion, yes. OK, that one.

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This movie should have made 15 billion, but I unfortunately,
unfortunately, Nathan's the closest even though everybody
went over. Oh, I went over too.
Oh. No.
Oh no. How much does this make?
$1.4 million. That explains why he hasn't had

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another movie. He produced the new Miley Cyrus
thing that just came out like half a year ago.
A lot of Miley Cyrus music videos I saw.
That's an interesting choice. You know what, I, when I was
researching a little bit, I, I watched like the first song of

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the Miley Cyrus thing that just came out six months ago.
It's like really good. Really.
It's supposed to be like a rock opera, which I'm not opposed to.
What's that one rock opera from the 80s I like?
It's got, like, Rick Moranis in it.
Oh, wow. Streets of Fire.
Yeah. Never heard of it.
Nobody's heard of it. You want a rock?
Opera, check out Streets of Fire, it's pretty good.

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Don't ever watch the sequel though.
That's. I love Rick Moranis, he's so
good. He's coming out of retirement,
too. Oh, how's he?
Yeah, he's gonna do space. Baseball.
That's right. That's right.
What a bunch of assholes. We're comb in the desert.
So just to piggyback off of whatyou guys are kind of talking

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about, this movie was released on September 13th, 2018 to 250
theaters. The next day it was released.
Video on demand. So.
So that makes sense. It's not a giant failure then.
They tried to kill it and get itlived, right?
The story of the one who lived you.
Can't kill Nicholas Cage. I can't kill this movie.

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This movie will forever live in my heart.
I don't know, I might be showingmy cards a little early, but do.
You like this movie? I can't tell.
I love this movie. I've been, I've been so excited
to talk about this movie. I'm like, I'm like bursting at
the seams. Let's get into it.
The letterbox rating is currently at a 3.6 out of five

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and sits at a 91% on the thermometer.
But what did we think of this movie?
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Be on the inside. Speaking of Drops, this movie,
it was on a lot of LSD, was it not?
Sure was, man. The movie itself was taking.
The movie, The movie itself, actually, it's funny, I said
about the letterbox rating. I saw somebody's letterbox
review. They said this whole movie is 1

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big LSD dream and they love it. Five stars, Yeah.
I was super baked when I watchedthis.
I had watched like some of it before but I got a little too
high and I it was too much for me so I turned it off.
So this is my second go. See that this movie gets a lot
quick, Yeah, and. There's this one scene too where

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I think it's Jeremiah's face andhe's talking but at times his
mouth like isn't moving. I was like is this just me or
like is his mouth not? Moving so Mandy's onto his.
I was gonna say yeah. And it's very freaky.
It's so Lynch. Maybe we should start with bear
claw and and bear claw. Give us your overall thoughts on

(08:32):
Mandy. Makes a lot of sense of this
movie didn't make a ton of moneybecause I'm pretty sure they
made it just for me. So, you know, it was like
TaylorMade just for for me and my taste because, I mean, it
hit. It hit just about everything.
I've been so excited to talk about it.
I mean, a lot of the movie's detractors have called it just
like the cover of an art, the cover art to a rock album.

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You can see that a lot on the Mandy Reddit, which I frequent
and things like that. I mean, yeah, it is a cover for
a rock album and it's awesome. And it's got synth music in it
and it's got, you know, it's gotthese massive themes.
I mean, there's a couple different ways you can interpret
the movie. I've got kind of like a
straightforward interpretation of it and then I've got my own

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personal kind of interpretation of it that I've kind of worked
through overtime and just the lines and Nicolas Cage and chaos
and vengeance and this crazy cult and a biker gang, you know,
full of full, I mean, it's just got it all.
And it's got, you know, that whole goblin commercial, the for
the, for the, for the Mac and cheese that.

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Goblin. My God, Cheddar.
Goblin. I forgot about.
That oh, I mean how? Do you forget Cheddar Goblin?
No, how did I forget Cheddar Goblin?
My first impression, I gotta be honest with you, the title of
the movie is probably the worst part of the movie for me because
it stopped me from seeing it fora long time because I was like,
is this just gonna be like a Nicolas Cage action hero movie?

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I mean, he did do Ghost Rider, so you know, I mean, we gotta
think we gotta throw that into the mix here.
But like he was kind of hesitantabout it for a long time.
But then, you know, it got recommended to me so many times
that I was like, all right, I gotta just sit down and watch
this thing and just really see see what it's all about.
And I just, I put it in and I, Ijust couldn't believe what I was

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seeing. Just every moment of this film,
I was captured. It had me in its visual style.
It had me in the title cards. It had me in the music.
I've been listening to progressive rock all day to
prepare for this. I've been listening to King
Crimson and Starless and Epitaphand Court of the Crimson King,
even though I don't think two ofthose songs weren't in the
movie, but Starless was. I'm really excited to talk about

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this and go through this movie because it is just to me.
This is, as Logan would say, this is cinema.
This is, you know, it it just from its style and the acting.
I mean, Nicolas Cage in that room, like you can feel his pain
and, and, and just how catharticthe end of the movie is or, or
he finally gets you know what hewas after.

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It was just amazing to me. So I'll stop gushing and I'm
kind of fangirling right now. You guys are gonna have to calm
me down. That's kind of my impression of
this movie is just from beginning to end.
It's as close to a perfect movieas I think it can It can be.
Yeah, it's it's funny. I've dated a Mandy and married
to a Marlena. There's a Marlene in here, so

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the names is a little weird. I don't know.
I don't know how to feel. I want to ask Jill, you said
this is really this is your second time watching, but maybe
your first time like fully engaged in this movie?
Yeah, first I turned it off likebefore the, like, hostage
situation happened the first time.
Like even then it was like too intense for me.

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So it would have gotten real badif I kept watching it.
I I think I just had, like, the wrong idea of what the movie was
about going into it because everyone's like, oh, you should
be high when you watch this. But I, like, overdid it.
And so, yeah, be wary of that. Yeah, it is a very psychedelic
movie and first real time watching it.
Awesome. What's your thought now that

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you've maybe had a better high this time and a better
experience? I love Nicolas Cage, One of my
favorite movies is Color at a Space.
Nice. And that exactly and the colour
horror, I like it, cosmic horrorand like the colours are the

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same. It's that like love crafty and
kind of purple thing going on. But that's a very special movie
to me as well because it was thefirst episode that I picked for
its latest podcast. So it has high standards for me.
Colour out of space. So I was like, oh, and it cages
in this and the cover is similar.
I didn't really know what it wasabout and I just I kind of
wanted like some colour out of space.

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So I think that like brought it down a little bit for me because
I don't know. There's two to be on.
This one is a lot higher than color out of space.
Color out of space is a real slow burn.
That's the thing too, I found this was a rough watch honestly,
like even just watching it, I had to like stop and go do some
stuff just to like try to process it.

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But there's some very like visceral scenes and I I find
this movie to be very bleak, even if I I know Bear Claw just
mention the catharsis. I actually found it not
cathartic at all for me because I was like damn like Mandy
worked so hard to get this better life when she had all
this like childhood trauma and. Then he gave the pro bar to one

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of the kids and then each kid took a turning, killing us
darling. And then you have Red, who, you
know, it's hinted at that he hashad a violent past and they
found each other. And to me, it's this kind of
love story. And it is a love story.
I don't know. I know it's horror, but I just

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really wanted a happier ending. And the ending is so bleak that
I don't know, man. I was crying a little bit sad.
Yeah. I don't know, Nathan.
Tell me. Tell me some of your thoughts.
My first thought is that Bear Claw wormed into my brain and
stole the joke. I was going to open with where
this movie was made specificallyfor me.

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Yeah, this movie's great. I love all the psychedelic
imagery. There's a lot of Suspiria in
there. There's a lot of David Lynch in
there. What you were saying about it
being like the cover to a heavy metal album or a rock album,
that that's kind of true. I I do love that it takes this

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really simple revenge story and builds upon that with it's
visuals. It's weird philosophy stuff.
I've got a lot to say about how it mirrors a lot of David
Lynch's work, but we'll we'll get to that eventually.

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Yeah, No, I, I just love this movie.
I do agree with you, Jill, that it is quite bleak and but
there's no way to make that ending not bleak, to be honest.
I mean, man is dead. Yeah, you know, like you can't.
Free spiritually. I guess, but like, I just wanted
them to live happily in the woods, their little simple life.

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It was so cute. I love that part of the movie
where it's showing like the little beats of their life, like
reading the books at work and they're just like smoking and
just like watching TV together. That is so strong in this.
Movie The coolest thing is them just watching like the the
monster movies together and likeeating like like who doesn't

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want that sort of love, right? Right.
Yeah, it spends the entire firsthour sort of introducing these
characters to you and making youlove these sort of simple people
who are just want to be left alone and do their thing out in
the woods and they love each other.

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And and both kind of have some trauma too, right?
You can kind of tell that they're both in like Mandy,
obviously, you know, with the whole starlings and, and things,
she's kind of had a traumatic past, but Mandy's had a lot of
trauma, but she's also processedand dealt with a lot of that
trauma. Whereas Red might not be all the
way there with it, but because Mandy is kind of his crutch and

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like, and, and somebody he can lean on and, and she is that
rock, he's kind of better for it.
And you know, once that rock goes away and things go a little
sideways. It's not shown explicitly, but
it is heavily suggested that he's a recovering alcoholic and
the first thing he because aftershe dies is take his bottle of

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vodka from under the sink in thebathroom, which only an
alcoholic has alcohol there and drinks like half the bottle.
Relapse. I have several things to say to
several things you guys just said about Mandy kind of being
his light. I'm just going to spoil my
favorite quote. I forget who says this to Red.

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What they say, is it Jeremiah? He says you exude A cosmic
darkness. Exuded cosmic darkness.
And I'm a. Chemist.
The chemist. Sorry, my bad.
Yeah. So the chemist says that.
I don't know. I thought that was very
powerful. And it's very apparent that she
is what kind of keeps him, like on the straight and narrow and

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happy. And I want to go back to also
the beginning when they start talking about their favorite
planets. I really love that scene and
lots of like, thematic things going on there.
I think there's a lot of symbolism in the planets.
Like Mandy says her favorite is Jupiter.
Well. Because the surface of his

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atmosphere is a storm that's been raging for. 1000 years.
And it's, you know, this big gasgiant that's beautiful and
peaceful, except for that red spot, which is a giant raging
storm. And I think, you know, Jupiter
really symbolizes who Mandy is Red could be her like storm, his

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violent past and the glimpse into his future where he
alchemizes the pain of losing the love of his life by avenging
her in the bloodiest way possible.
But also he says that his favorite and it is Saturn, which
is also a giant beautiful planetwith the mystical rings.
And I feel like he could be kindof alluding to Mandy being the

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rings because they're like magical and beautiful and
special like Jeremiah later on says.
But then he jokingly says his favorite is Galactus, like the
Eater of Worlds. This is in the planet.
Yeah, but each planet? It does kind of foreshadow what
happens to him when he loses her.

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So I thought that was really well done.
And God, it's so sad. Yeah.
Well, like, and I also like and this is going to, this is also
going to play out. It frames them as very connected
to kind of nature, the primordial, a little bit more
like Pagan, kind of like in the woods.
Mandy can be seen as a very likeself actualized strong woman.

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They're doing their thing and they're happy doing their thing
and they're secluded for a reason because that's where they
want to be and they're happy they're together.
But they're also very like very much like, you know, painting
all really cool like Frank Frazetta, like pictures.
Mandy's artwork is speaks volumes, which Frank Frazetta is
like one of the coolest artists of all time in my opinion, And

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they're they're kind of attachment to the cosmic is
something that is really cool because it kind of shows them
she's very much like a almost like AI don't mean this in a
derogatory way, but like a witchkind of character.
Yeah, and then she's burned alive at the stake.
Basically, she's very connected with nature and and and things
and like the primordial. That's what I think is really

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cool about the opening. But Kevin, what are your overall
thoughts? Oh yeah, soccer.
No, no, no, no. I wanted to go off of what Bear
Claw was saying there. I saw them as Mandy is life and
Red is death. Approaching.
Come for the Reaper. And especially when he loses his

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life, he becomes this mask of death.
He's going full out like this ishis war.
They were the Ying to the Yang like you were explaining Jill
too with the with the planet balance and things like that.
So it sucks because both characters deserved each other
and their peace. But as the audience, it's kind

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of cool to see Red and his war and his and his death coming for
these people that deserve it. The first time I saw this movie
was actually during COVID and wewatched it outside.
I had a projector screen and me and Dan from the Mouths of
Madness, we watched it outside and it was like.

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I don't know, 6 feet apart and all that.
Yeah, right. We were trying to do the good
thing. But like, it was such a cool
experience watching this movie outside on the big screen.
And it got like really cold likelater on.
And it was like it hit perfect when Nicolas Cage just went full
badass. The atmosphere at that time for
this movie was unheralded for me.

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Like it, this was like the coolest atmosphere in a movie I
had I had seen in a while, but Ididn't really appreciate the
movie that much at the time. Like, I thought it was an OK
movie. Yeah, it was cool as a revenge
story. I've had a second and third
watch since. And like, each watch for me has
gotten so much better. And like, you can see all the

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nuances and everything now. And like, I appreciate so much
of like Nicolas Cage's performance in this because I
think, you know, people show a lot of his scenes and the
imagery and they're kind of, youknow, thinking it's over the top
or whatever. And I get that, but like it's
very profound. It's like it sticks in your head
forever sort of deal. You know, that image of him at

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the end in the car and seeing Mandy and maybe that's some
catharsis there of like Bear claw.
You were saying of maybe she's free or whatever now.
I just thought like those imageswere were amazing to watch the
cool colors and everything and the music.
It just it makes this movie really unique and special and I

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think different than a lot of other horror movies.
It is a slow burn, especially the first hour, Nathan, like you
were saying, like cuz we're getting to know this couple and
their love and their connection.And I think it works so good for
that second-half of the movie. If you're not used to like the
pacing at first, it might be like kind of a tough watch for

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some some people. Yeah, I can definitely see that.
That's a lot of criticism of thecriticism I read about this
movie online is like, oh, well, the first half's pretty boring.
It's like I'm coming from my Mandy oriented mind.
It's like it's so necessary for the second-half to be
meaningful. It's not just that.
It's if you get invested in these two as a couple the way I

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did pretty much immediately, it's really not slow.
You know what I'm saying? It's slow in the horror
department. It doesn't get there till an
hour in. But if you, you know, if you
invest in the love story, if if you love a love story, then the
first hour is like to me, it's not that slow.

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It's just different than what you're going to get in the
second hour. It's.
My favorite half, I actually thought the second-half kind of
dragged on a bit. I was just like, OK, we're just
like killing all these people. That's cool.
Yeah, I get that. Also this gave me big crow
vibes. Yes.
You got. Bear claw.

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I was thinking this. I was thinking this.
Which had a better soundtrack though?
I mean, The Crow had the better soundtrack at, you know, 9 Inch
Nails And enjoy the fight here. Yeah.
Like like, like listen. King Crimson.
That's all I gotta say. Yeah, but.
That's one song that you know, it's and it's funny, I wasn't

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familiar with that song. And I, I wrote in my notes, wow,
this opening song really sounds like King Crimson.
And then it came up Starless by King Crimson.
And I was like, well, that makessense, doesn't it?
You know, it doesn't have the needle drops that the crow does.
But the score is incredible. I, I don't want to take anything
right from the score. Just beautiful.
Sounds like a good, good story, good characters, good acting.

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You know it's. Just like the girl.
Yeah, all things occurred every time.
Oh boy. Joe, I thought, I thought the
same thing when he was watching Mandy burn alive.
I'm like, it's just like, you know, like, you know, you can't
do anything. And it's like that, that
helpless feeling because that I think goes into the revenge

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angle too, which makes it because it's like throwing
gasoline on the revenge angle, right, because you're, you're
helpless and you can't do anything to help, you know, your
loved one in that first moment. So that's going to go into
everything that's coming to these people.
And that's why, like when he puts on like that, you know,
that war get up. He's he's going full, full bore

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there and like his, his body there too was like, hey, there's
a good chance you're not going to survive this.
You should go in no one that your heart ain't that good and
you will probably die. Don't be negative.
It was like, yeah, no shit. When I saw his friend there and
he's from the Predator. Bill Duke.

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He's awesome. It was when I saw him I was
like, yes. Yeah, he also is the guy who
directed that movie I talked about a couple episodes ago deep
cover that neo noir I was talking about not too long ago.
I gotta see that too. So that's on my that's on my
list. I want to ask a big question
because the the color scheme in here was pretty crazy.

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And we'll get into like maybe very big Suspiria vibes, but
like, you know, bright greens, bright Reds, some Blues, some
colder tones. I'll ask Bear claw.
What did you think on the color scheme in my head when I was
watching this? I'm like, do these colors like
associate with certain things kind of like we did in Suspiria

(26:44):
where we were trying to think oflike, does this have some
correlation to the scenes? Or like you know, red represents
Mandy. Or like you know, green is the
Jesus you. Know Jesus.
Yeah. It's the Jesus.
I've heard that green was evil in the movie.
I've seen a couple of theories on this.
I don't know that any of them like perfectly line up.

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This color was used a lot in this movie and it made things
look spectacular and it was definitely like an accent.
But I don't know if there's so much like symbolism in the
color, you know, not like with Miller's crossing with whether
they're wearing a hat and they're lying or not or
something like that. I don't know if there's that as
much of A direct connection, butI think that the colors were

(27:26):
used effectively and and to promote like a psychedelic and
red was used a lot when red was,you know, mercilessly killing
people. But the how the movie was shot
was beautiful and how they balanced the colors and made the
colors. I mean, it really added to it.
So I don't I don't know that I saw that connection.
It doesn't mean it's not there. I just didn't see it.
I felt like red represented danger in some way.

(27:50):
Like it's red when the cult is driving in that van and they see
Mandy like things are going to go poorly because of this.
But that's the only one I reallygot.
I like felt like I got a handle on and even that I guess I could
be wrong. The only color pattern I notice
is like with the horn of a Braxis and with the dagger of

(28:12):
the pale night. Both of those are colored in
green. So like evil objects were kind
of put off a green other worldlyvibe.
But I mean, right, I love the color, like the colors of the
backgrounds they used and like the synth wave kind of night or
kind of 80s color theme that's used.
And it's very Frank Frazetta howthey color things and the shots

(28:33):
in the backgrounds, like very epic kind of kind of feel to it.
It's just it's, I love it. Jill, how about you?
Did you think of anything with the color?
Pretty much what Nathan said, but I think also it could just
signify like death because of the ending and when there's so

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much blood when he's killing andstuff.
What I found was really cool andI'm a big fan of in this movie
because this is the movie to really do it, is the title cards
and kind of, you know, showing the different acts a little bit.
Everyone's not a big fan of thatall the time, but I thought this
was a perfect movie for it and like the cool animations right
with Mandy and stuff like that. What are your thoughts on those?

(29:17):
Because I loved it. I thought they added to to the
the movie and made it like that much more unique.
So my theory on the animations is you see the animations
progress right in a direction. As Red is getting his vengeance,
Mandy becomes in those animations in a slightly better
state. And they kind of represent like

(29:39):
when Mandy was killed by the thechildren of the New Dawn and she
was kind of like in this spiritual prison, even in death.
But then you see her get as Red gets his vengeance, you see her
get into slightly better positions and she starts off as
like a zombie and then she's kind of floating in space.
And that's why I think the finalscene where she's like whole and

(29:59):
she's back with Red in spirit iskind of beautiful because Red
through his vengeance and his necessary violence has freed her
from the spiritual kind of prison that that the that they
locked her in. I like that their assault on her
was more than just a physical one.
It was a spiritual assault on her.

(30:19):
They were against what she was as a self actualized person
because they were not that they had to default to egotism or
delusion, or in the case of the black skulls, depravity and
addiction. And that's why even though Mandy
was all, all kinds of of just completely out of her gourd on

(30:40):
on drugs, she's still able to kind of pull it together and
just laugh at at his delusion. You made this song.
I bet it's about you it. Is and that's why he hates her
so much because he she is the thing that he cannot face.
He can never face that because of his core, just rottenness.

(31:05):
And his name is so cool too. Jeremiah Sand.
It's just such a hateable name and kind of his Manson like
character. Yeah, that's why they hate Mandy
so much, because she is, she hasachieved what they never can.
And they're stuck in their worlds of delusion and ego and
addiction and depravity. That's the only way they can get

(31:26):
through. And she's risen above her
trauma. And that's why it's it's like
that's why they hate her so much.
That's why she must be destroyed.
That's why Red in her must be destroyed, because it's a
reflection of what they can't be.
And he has a tiny Weiner. Yeah, evil manifested a tiny
weenie. Yeah, that is like how dangerous

(31:48):
fragile men can be. Feels like a theme here.
The. Ultimate weapon against them
will always be laughter. He reminded me of Frank Booth,
by the way, from Blue Velvet. Yeah, he was very Frank Booth
esque, you know, a lot of a lot of yelling and bravado, but
underneath it all, he's a very insecure and unstable.

(32:12):
Insecure and fragile man. And he even yelled don't fucking
look at me. You fucking look at me.
Yeah, like just like Frank Boothdoes in the ritualistic scene in
Blue Velvet. It was like a a combination of

(32:33):
like Charles Manson and Frank Booth in, in my opinion, Yeah.
Mixture and. His bad music.
Have you heard the Carpenters before?
Oh. You know what that reminded me
of American Psycho and the Huey Lewis and the.
News Scene. I was gonna say Boogie.
You heard Huey Lewis. Oh yeah.
Boogie Nights. I thought he was going to put in

(32:53):
like an awesome mix for. I make these little mixtapes
together, you know, I put all myfavorite songs to go.
Hey Cosmo, what song is this number number?
11 Yeah, he starts dancing around and.
He was a. Chinese boy on the butt.
It's Cosmo, it's Chinese. The only thing I will say though

(33:14):
is his bathroom was pretty awesome.
Like. That's also kind of Boogie
Nights when you think about. It.
That's what made me think of it.He was like the creepy guy in
the in the bathroom. You know what actually bear law.
I want to go off of what you said and ask Jill, do you think
this is kind of a spiritual movie in that sense?
Like Bear Claws saying, you know, with the animations too,

(33:36):
and showing like maybe her being, you know, delivered from
her shackles and them being maybe like her spirituality is
everything like Bear Claws said that they're kind of afraid of.
And because then they have to look in the mirror at themselves
and like, whoop, that's not there.

(33:58):
Yeah, I definitely think Mandy especially is a very spiritual
person. There are symbols of like some
sort of paganism or witchcraft like the Pentacles and just the
way that she carries out her life is very spiritual and also
like very fantasy based, which is something I liked about the
movie. Like she's reading the fantasy

(34:20):
novels. The horn of a Braxis is AD and D
item, and even the the kind of like whatever weapon Nick Cage
Read creates later, it's very fantastic.
You could imagine somebody in a fantasy movie beheading orcs
with that box for sure. Yeah, I love that whole like,

(34:42):
kind of atmosphere. It's like 80s.
You got like the kind of doom metal, Stoner metal shit going
on. You get the sins, you get all
the colors. I like that.
This is like their little escape.
You know, she gets to read her book at her job.
And, you know, this is their cozy little life to be able to
deal with all that trauma that she dealt with as a kid.
I think like Bear Claw, I mentioned like she had to do a

(35:04):
lot of work to overcome that. So I think the spirituality kind
of comes through there as well. And you know, they're very like
hippie like, and she's doing allthis art and stuff like that.
So I think she's a spirit. She's a spiritual person.
And I think that also shows in the animations, like what Bear
Claw said, kind of goes through this like metamorphosis of her

(35:25):
beyond the grave or whatever is happening.
And I think at the end you kind of get the hint that it's not
just that he avenged her, but you can.
It kind of gives you that notionthat, OK, he's avenged her and
now he's somehow going to see her again or be with her again.
Especially that last scene when he's staring at the camera when

(35:47):
he's driving. I think that's an amazing scene.
But, you know, just a smile on his face I think indicates that,
you know, something more is going to happen.
And yeah, I think they're both spiritual in their own ways.
And then he's driving in one of her pieces of art.
Yes. I don't know what that means,
but it was cool. It's hinted at that she has some

(36:09):
prophetic powers because keep inmind one of the first things she
says to Jeremiah Sand is I see the Reaper coming for you.
Yeah. And that could either be in the
crossbow or that could be in just death itself.
Is is coming now? He calls the crossbow the
Reaper. The Reaper, Yeah.
When the beast in the reap Duke's house, Yeah.
And that's, and that's why I thought that like he read is the

(36:33):
symbol of death. And she knows that too.
You're gonna kill me. Like she's already foreseen this
in her head. Like, you're gonna kill me, but
you're gonna be killed and you know I'm gonna be released.
And again, like seeing that bearcall, I didn't even think of
that through the animation, seeing like that process take

(36:53):
place. Nathan, what were your thoughts
on on those throughout? I loved the animations.
I, I thought they were just beautiful.
I kind of just took them as whatI was seeing.
I didn't really think about whatthey really meant.
I mean, I knew that there had tobe some sort of metaphor going
on there, but I, I don't know, Ithink I might need to see the

(37:17):
movie a few more times before I have real fleshed out thoughts
on what the animations could mean.
What Bear Claw said there makes a lot of sense to me though that
she she is becoming more whole in each animation as it goes on
because in the first one like half her face is melted off and
she's almost zombie like. And by the end she is just this

(37:41):
beautiful woman at one point that isn't she late?
Doesn't she have like her foot on the head of a monster or
something like that? I believe that.
I thought they complimented whatwe were watching.
I mean this movie was a wild ride already at that point.
So once we got into animation, this sort of like it looks like
Heavy Metal, which is a movie I haven't actually seen, but I

(38:04):
know what the art looks like. By then I was like, yeah, sure,
why not? Let's just let's get real wild.
I thought it was, you know, it was beautiful too 'cause there
were scenes like when the tiger escapes and they show the tiger
like go into like an animated type of painting and stuff like
that. So it was like blending bold

(38:25):
together. The planets too and stuff.
Loved it, loved that. I love that art style.
I love the synth that was playing while that was
happening. Like that's what I'm like saying
like this movie was like made. I feel like it was made for me.
I was watching that and I was like, yes, this is this is it.
This is what I wanted. How did I know?
Yeah, I I agree. Like I thought that was like so

(38:45):
cool to watch. It makes it such a unique movie.
I want to get a little bit more on Jeremiah and the children of
the New Dawn. You know, we had kind of touched
on them a little bit. And I want to ask Nathan this
because something I, I thought in this watch was I know like
he's using God and stuff. As, you know, speaking through

(39:09):
him or whatever told me. I, I found a lot of symbolism in
what he was saying to Mandy, especially.
It wasn't God he was talking to.It felt like it was Satan that
he might have been talking to. And I don't know if you picked
up on any of those vibes, but like, I know there's hypocrisy.

(39:29):
We're not going to get into like, religious.
I didn't think he was talking toanybody.
God, Satan. He's just he's using religion as
a way to glorify himself and hisown ego.
So I don't think it has anythingto do with who he's talking to
because he's not talking to anybody.
He's a fragile piece of shit egomaniac, very much like Frank

(39:54):
Booth again, and he's using the text to glorify himself.
He even says at one point, you know what Jesus big mistake was?
He didn't OfferUp a sacrifice and a stair.
The cruciform is a constant reminder.

(40:15):
And the cruciform is a daily reminder of that.
And he was basically saying he is actually above.
Jesus. He's above Jesus, Yeah.
Yeah, and and all the voices that talk to him don't say
anything about God or anything. They say you are right, he said.
Jeremiah. They were wrong and you are

(40:42):
right, referring to himself, Jeremiah.
So he's a cult leader, and just like every cult, it's about I
get to fuck the chicks because I'm the cult leader.
So many women. Exactly.
So I mean, that's how I felt about it.
I mean that as far as Jeremiah'sspirituality, that's all.

(41:03):
I felt like it was just a. Facade that.
Yeah. Yeah, so hear me out.
This might be my own fanfic here.
Here's kind of how I I contextualize like the framework
of the film and it has to do with the religious theme.
So that's why I think this is a good spot for it.
The Children of the New Dawn andthe Black Skulls kind of
represent like heaven and hell. If you think about it, heaven
and hell kind of work together. You go to heaven because you're

(41:25):
afraid of going to hell. And they kind of represent that
whole like religious, like the duality of the religion, sure,
but like that kind of religion on earth kind of kind of kind of
thing, right? But Mandy and Red, they
represent the other. They represent the Pagan, the
natural fury, the storm on Jupiter that would eat the
entire world, right? They represent that other that's

(41:48):
out there. There's a big, big theme to
astronomy and you know, a supernatural and things that are
outside of that religion, right?And Mandy's like a Mystic.
They're like in the forest and kind of to themselves.
But the children of the New Dawnsee that much as, you know,
religion would see some other competing entity or maybe not
even competing entities, something that doesn't align

(42:08):
with their worldview. And they say, well, we got to
possess and control it. And that's what he sees in Mandy
is he sees that like primordial kind of like thing that doesn't
fit his narrative and he needs to control it and possess it
entirely, because if he can do that, then his way is still
right, right. He can still, you know, house
all of Jeremiah Sands and even the structure of heaven and hell

(42:32):
between them and the black skulls can be maintained.
But she's outside of, of that structure and, and, and so is
red and, and that's why they're dangerous.
So they have to be controlled. So that's why when she kind of
laughs at his penis and everything like that and laughs
at his attempts to control and, and make submission the
primordial and, and like just the inadequacy and the impotence

(42:53):
of that trying to control natureand the fury of nature through
some type of religious understanding of it.
That's why she just laughs because he's so, you know, as
being the representative of heaven and, and, and that kind
of systematic thinking. Nature doesn't abide by that and
and it laughs at their impotent attempts to control that.
But. Peon compared to her right.

(43:15):
Not even compared to her, just compared to.
It's like an aunt declaring he'sking of the world, you know?
Yeah, OK. She understands that the world
is a bigger place, but he doesn't.
And he's trying to contextualizeand control it in that, that
schema of religion, Right. They have to kill her at that
point because it's fanatics whenthey're faced with something
that they can't control like that or, or doesn't fit their

(43:37):
narrative, they, they can't wraptheir heads around that.
So she needs to die. That becomes very clear when she
laughs at him and and you know, again, the Ant declaring himself
emperor, the universe kind of thing.
This is the transgression. These two groups, this heaven
and hell, they have transgressedagainst the primordial gods.
They have transgressed against nature.

(43:58):
And that's where Red comes in. He is the vengeance of the old
gods. They have gone too far this time
and now the old gods, it's the cosmic darkness that is Red is
now going to going after these two groups with the absolute
vengeance and fury of the natural and primordial and the
friggin beast. That that's one of the ways that
I kind of put the framework around this.

(44:19):
We were just talking about religion and I had to stick that
in somewhere, but that that's kind of the framework I think
about it. Yeah, he kind of transforms too,
like he's like taking their super LSD drugs and that and
he's like gearing up to and he sort of becomes like sort of the
same monster that that these whatever they are, the monsters
are like the synabite kind of people, the black.

(44:41):
The black. I was gonna.
Yes, I was gonna say they remindme very much.
They are like the synabite sense, right?
Yeah, yeah, that is a good observation.
Summon from hell or something like that.
Feel like a synabite? Would definitely have a knife
Dick. That sounds very.
Absolutely. Actually, yeah, you connect
everything. I want to talk real quick on on
the Black Skulls because here's my question, right?

(45:04):
Are they like true like Cenobite, like right?
Or are we seeing them through the eyes of people who are on
LSD and are imagining them to bethese monsters?
Or are they actually monsters? I just sort of believe Bill
Duke's explanation. There's stories that there was a

(45:24):
chapter that ran Courier for a manufacturer of LSD, took a
disliking to them and cooked them up a special batch and they
have never been right in the head sense.
That they're just bikers who gota hold of some really, really
bad acid and went off the deep end.

(45:46):
Like, I don't think that guy actually has a knife Dick.
I think he put on a suit and puta knife where his Dick is.
You know what I'm saying? Like the like the costume is a
costume. It's I don't think they've been
actually transformed. You know, also they're very,
very road warrior. So and and nobody thinks that

(46:08):
the road Warrior people are are,are supernatural.
You know what I'm saying? I think they've just put on
suits because they're really fucked up on some really bad
drugs. That's what the guy says is the
chemist. They wronged the chemist and the
chemist gave them a bad batch. Exactly, they just lost their
shit. What do you guys think they were

(46:29):
drinking? Like what was was that LSD they
were drinking? They said it was.
Blood, yeah, and I think it was just drugs.
Yeah, it was drugs or some superdrugs.
I. Mean Nicolas Cage takes a little
dollop and it's like and all of a sudden he's in Twin Peaks
Season 3 episode 8. He's like, woof.
Yeah, because that's what I was wondering because it's like it

(46:52):
seems like another way to like obviously to control people.
The children of the New Dawn aredoing, they're taking these
people and they're drugging themand trying to control them with
especially with visions that they're not really having but or
they are having, but it's not real.
That reminds me, what did she get bit with or that stung with?

(47:16):
I like to call that the cherry on top.
Does anybody know what that was?Psychedelic WASP, I imagine
that's the only thing, 'cause they call it the cherry on top.
So yeah. But they had already dropped LSD
into her eyeball at that point, so do you really need the
psychedelic wasp to? Was it like tranquilizer sort of
deal? I don't know.

(47:37):
She. Was able to rise above it
though, that's what that's. What I think is like the
coolest. Part of the film is like, she's
like, oh, this is some rookie shit like.
She's like, this is just anotherTuesday.
What do? You think I haven't done drugs
before? Look.

(48:00):
Speaking of fucked up, one of myfavorite scenes is Nick Cage in
the bathroom. In his underwear, all bloodied
and shit. I mean he just watched Mandy get
burned alive. Here he is finding like Nathan

(48:22):
said, his his bottle in in the bathroom in the sink.
Takes a swig. He puts some on his hand.
I mean, that must have stung. He doesn't even react to it.
He's because he's just so numb to everything.
He's like screaming and like yelling and then sitting down
and and screaming and yelling. And I love kind of the, I hate

(48:43):
to use the term again juxtaposition of the bathroom
colors because they're bright and obnoxious and like,
everything else is so beautifully shot in this.
I felt like that was a choice, right?
To. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was
definitely a choice. You're not supposed to feel good
during that scene. You're supposed to.
You're just like you're just totally.

(49:03):
I mean, you can't even imagine the depths of like you just
watch your girlfriend get wife get burned alive.
Like not only his wife. I mean, I think she went deeper
than that. She was like his.
Soulmate. Soulmate, you know, and just
watching her just get burned like the I can't even imagine.
But I mean, Nicolas Cage doesn'tjust an extraordinary job.

(49:27):
I mean, I would argue that's maybe one of his best scenes of
like. His career, Yeah.
Do you think the director just put him in that set and said
please be Nicholas Cage? Yes.
Turn it up to 11, Nick. Yeah, you're free to do what you
want to do. I don't know about you, but I

(49:48):
actually like, yelled with him alittle bit on my last watch.
Like that felt cathartic for me because like Joe, like you were
saying, this is this is very emotional.
Like it is for sure, like they set you up for that beginning
part to feel this along with redright in this bathroom.
Scene Yeah. I was actually in disbelief when

(50:09):
it happened. I was like, OK, there's no way
that they would actually do thisto Mandy.
The title of the movie is Mandy.And, like, we haven't really
seen a lot of her yet, you know?So I thought it was just kind of
like a hoax and they would have burned someone else alive.
So I was like, OK, it'll, it'll get better.
And it did not get better. And I was like, oh, I guess she

(50:31):
really talked. Spoiler it did not get better.
But Spirit truly, who's freed? So like there's like, and I'm
glad it didn't get better. I'm so tired of movies like time
traveling and oh everybody's alive and happy and well.
The story loses all impact then.I need yeah.

(50:52):
It's too depressing for me rightnow.
I'm sorry, the scene where it happened, that meant they just
stretched that out for so long. They make sure you feel it, like
you really feel it because it ishard to watch the the inside the
bag squirming as the the flames overtake.

(51:15):
It's just like you feel it in your gut.
Nicolas Cage is at his most Nicolas Cage in that bathroom.
But it's like it feels reasonable.
It's just so appropriate. And only Nicolas Cage could have
done that scene in that way. It's like right before that
you're talking about what's the the cheddar goblin?

(51:37):
Is that the? Goblin.
Goblin, Goblin Goblin Inappropriately timed
and. But like, you just take the
cameras on Nicolas Cage and he'sjust like, like, you know, and

(52:01):
you could feel that just numbness, like even this fucking
cheddar goblin commercial is, you know, trying to pull you out
of that, but you can't, you know?
That commercial, they made the whole thing, and you can watch
it on YouTube, by the way. Really.
Yeah. It's like, oh man, Long.
I gotta watch it. You know, you know who it was

(52:21):
made by, right? And I'm, I'm the same.
Too many cooks. Yeah, too many cooks, too many
cooks, too many cooks. Too many cooks.
I'm a huge Adult Swim fan and like, I could see like too many
cooks. I love love like, like too many
cooks and things like that. Even with the Cheddar Goblins,

(52:41):
you watch it and you're like, something's wrong.
Yeah. Like, like it's uncomfortable
and you don't know why. Like something isn't right with
the, the, even if you just watched the cheddar goblins
commercial. But even in the in the context
of the movie, it makes even moresense of like, right, it's not
right. Well, it it's also sort of like
the overall universe doesn't care about your pain

(53:04):
necessarily. Like that commercial just comes
on even though it like it the TVschedule doesn't know what
happened to you or care. Life goes on.
Exactly. And life goes on big time here
because Nicolas Cage is going onhis revenge tour.
He's forging the beast. He forges.

(53:25):
The beast doing cocaine and does.
Cocaine. Like Jill said, it was like out
of some Dungeon of Doom or Dungeon of Doom.
Christ, I'm thinking Mouth of Madness, Dungeons and Dragons
type of idea. You know, this weapon, it's just
made perfectly for like killing everybody sort of deal.

(53:47):
My thing is, I'm all with him, right?
He got the Reaper, he got the crossbow.
We're ready to go. He's going to take out the black
skulls. Boom.
Then he's like driving over and then all of a sudden I'm like,
no, he got caught like this. Revenge.
Tour is ending immediately, Yeah.
Like, really? Quickly like this is the one I

(54:08):
signed up for. He got to stand nail to the
floor and he's trained up there and like you're like, oh, I
thought he was just going to holy terror this whole time, but
he isn't. And that that's so much fun.
And it's so much fun when he's like, you know, fun, I guess.
But he's like nailed down to thefloor and he and she's like,
what do you have a death wish orsomething?

(54:29):
And he's like, I don't want to talk about.
That I don't want, I don't want to talk about that.
And that line's great. I don't want he has these about
that. He has these moments where he's
just like, he resonates what a real person might say in that
situation, and it's out of placeand it doesn't feel right, but

(54:50):
it's so right too, like. It's also really like Campy.
Yeah. Like after the bathroom scene is
over, we go into straight horrorrevenge movie camp.
Yeah, just it's like goofy the rest of the way.
It's. My favorite shirt it.
Was my favorite shirt. Jill, I'm so happy you brought

(55:14):
that up the first time out of all my watches.
I picked this up though, right? Because they do a flashback to
why that's his favorite shirt. Am I correct in here because he
was wearing it when he met Mandy?
Oh, I didn't pick up on that. I didn't pick it up on it
either. That's awesome.
Yeah, it's like, so it didn't. It did matter to him that it was

(55:35):
his favorite. Yeah, that's not just a
throwaway line. That's awesome.
Yeah, yeah, Sad I. Love this.
Oh my goodness. Sad too.
Like you said, there's this is campiness galore, balls to the
wall, there's mounds of cocaine with these, you know, knife
penis type of black skull guys watching porn.

(55:59):
Here's my question with the guy who's hanging out by the car and
he gets shot by the arrow. He he feels it right or he's
just so fucked up on drugs that like that's.
The guy who downed like half a thing of LSD, he's probably so
on the other side of the universe that he can.
You can pull an arrow out of your neck no problem then,
right? Being on a cocktail of whatever

(56:21):
runs through his bloodstream like.
And actually Nick Cage's friend there said like that he saw them
in pain, but they like. It yeah, they loved it.
They fucking loved it. Well, you know, cinemas.
Cinemas. Yep, well.
You know what Line says that lends to my spiritual assessment
of Mandy in her being tortured is she still burns is his last

(56:48):
line before he chops his head off.
If she still burns, he's like referring to her, like you know
she's dead, but you know, like her spiritual, she's still
burning. I love too, that as soon as Nick
Cage has what I think is LSD, right, his voice that we hear
turns into almost like a demon type of voice, right?

(57:09):
Yeah. It's like changing like I
thought it was like him becominga monster.
Like he takes the LSD, but like also the he's like totally
changed. He's becoming a monster like
them because they they wronged him so badly, you know?
Yeah, that's what I was thinkingtoo.
Like he was transforming into them.

(57:30):
And because in a way he had to, like, you have to fight these
kind of monsters. Yeah, come them.
I don't know that I see him, like, becoming like them because
it's not like he's going after innocence.
And you know, you could argue that the one girl in the cult
that he saw as an innocent, he didn't slaughter wholesale.
That's true. You know, so I don't know that
he became like them, but that's like that's like his moment of

(57:54):
like he is the spirit of vengeance at that moment.
He is the Joven warrior sent forth from the eye of the storm.
That's the chemist scene. I don't know that this movie is
really doing a critique on vengeance, like like Old Boy or
something like that. It's like very much pro

(58:15):
vengeance I think. Yeah, he just is like, like his
one goal is their destruction. And and, you know, I think he
kind of sees a spiritually freeing Mandy through their
destruction and, and his almost like necessary violence, you
know, like, yeah. That's what I was.
Thinking. Bounds they wronged, you know,

(58:43):
and that's why the chemist sendsthem, because I don't think if
the chemist thought that he was like the Black Skulls, I don't
think you would have sent them to him, to the Children of the
New Dawn. That's such a good scene.
I love the chemist scene, yeah. Yeah, Nicholas Cage doesn't say
a fucking word the whole time. The chemist is just like
responding to him even though hehasn't said anything.

(59:05):
Oh, you're so right. God, you're right.
You're so right. I thought at first I'm like,
he's gonna release that tiger like to go attack him.
Like you're so right. Like I should release this tiger
to attack you like, but it was just, no, it was.

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And I love the way it was shot too, cuz it's like those
fluorescent fucking lights. Just like after like we've been
in darkness for a long time. It was kind of like a wake up
call sort of scene. And one of the funniest things
is LSD is absorbed through the skin, so he had his fingertips
all in just water paper. I didn't.

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Even think about that. Rocking on the shores of
oblivion, man. No gloves on.
He was just like, like, that's why him and Nick could have a
whole conversation with Nick just saying a word.
That is not how you make blotters at all.
You don't soak the whole damn paper pool of LSD, you use an

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eyedropper. If you wanna do it the fun way,
Nathan. This actor who plays the chemist
is pretty well known in horror. He's done a bunch of Rob Zombie
movies including he did Halloween 2, Rob Zombies 1.
He was the paramedic passenger, not the driver.

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What do you think of the chemistscene?
I liked it 'cause I had my favorite line in there.
So I like, I like what was goingon there.
You exude A cosmic darkness. Yeah, Jovian warrior sent forth
from the eye of the storm exudesA cosmic darkness.
How cool is that? Want that?
Agree. We'll put it on there, Bear

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Claw. So actually that kind of goes to
what Bear Claw had said too. Like Joe, what you're saying,
the chemist knows kind of who heis.
So he's giving out about the family so he can go get his
revenge on them. Let's get to the ending because
I think that, you know, we finally have the payoff, right.

(01:01:15):
One of my least favorite characters is Brother Swan here.
He is like a gross man. Yeah.
I kind of picked up on, like, you know, I know he loves
Jeremiah, but like, I was feeling like he, like, loves
Jeremiah, you know, like, he's in love with him.
Sentences. Of.

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Course, did you? Get that erotic.
Yeah, I didn't when watching it.I might have to rewatch it and
test your little theory. But I just kind of saw it as
like a cultish kind of love. Like they have this, you know,
when they're really into it, they see no wrong and and, you
know, the cult leader and they'll do anything for them.
So I think I saw it more as thattype of relationship and I feel

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like most of the cult was like that towards him, except that
one girl with who played the Russian roulette.
Now show him how much you love. Me.
You could tell that she was not totally into it and that scene
was also gut wrenching. Yes, yeah, I forgot about that
scene. I don't know why because it's
horrific to watch, but. You locked it out of your head.

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Yeah, trauma. They make him such an effective
just piece of shit villain, likeyeah, just Oh, and and in the
end, when his head that's like the perfect way is just like
get. Him.
Oh yeah. Cosmic justice, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so first, I love Brother
Swan getting the what? What he he got Nicolas Cage's

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like sword thing through his mouth.
Is that what he. Yeah.
The beat, it was the the the handle end of the axe had a
spike on it in that mouth mid sentence too.
What was what was he saying? I've got it in my notes.
He was saying something about Mandy, right?
Something not nice about Mandy as I Yeah.

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But he was saying she burned bright, didn't she?
The darker the horror, brighter the flame.
Burn brightly, Mandy. Which there's a reference to
when he earlier in the movie, hesaid the darkest horrors always
burn brightest. But then he starts to quote Neil
Young. He says better to burnout than

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fade. Fade.
Better to burnout than fate. Yeah.
Shut that man up. No one wants to hear his stupid
ass. Yeah.
Red was just like I You're not going to finish that quote.
You don't get to put Neil Young's words in your mouth
because you're a piece of shit. I do agree with Kevin though.

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I think Swan, I think he, yeah, the cult is following, but there
is a deep love for Jeremiah in there that may have been a
little bit more. What is he seeing him?
What are any of them seeing him?Not his Wiener, but I'm sure.
You could see that Swan was generally disappointed when he

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like shoot him away and said to bring the other girl in.
Like it seemed like Swan thoughthe was going to be like the one,
right? Now.
You're right. Great.
I don't know, I didn't. It didn't perk up my gaydar, but
I guess I could be wrong. I have to rewatch it.
What about them willing to sacrifice the chubby wolf?

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Why don't we offer up the poker to them just to seal the deal?
Oh my God, that shot where the one that they call him the
chubby one, he's bathed in blue and the and he's going it's.
Like. Straight out of like Lost

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Highway or Twin Peaks season 3. It's very very Lynch or
Mulholland Dr. too. Actually.
I guess all of his movies have something like that.
Yeah, I was thinking that whole scene like very lynchy and also
like we talked about too, like Cinnabites, Hellraiser, like

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them coming. It was very just like taking
over and dreamlike in in that sense.
So yeah. That was a good comparison, Joe.
I didn't think about that because they are the the black
skulls are like cinnabites like this look pain the biker gear
like. Also, so in DND the horn of
Apraxis, it's like it's supposedto.

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I'm in a creature from hell I think.
So it's maybe that could add to it.
I don't know. I just, I didn't think too much
of that, but. If those bikers are from
anywhere, the hell makes sense, you know?
That was weird that it was like an ocarina instead of I was
thinking like I was expecting itlike Zelda Navi to show up.

(01:06:10):
That'd be a total shift, yeah. Totally.
That'd be like. What's going on here?
And then we get the ultimate payoff, right?
We finally get Red and Jeremiah.Well.
Rush things. We're glossing over a whole
chainsaw fight like. Oh yeah, I forgot about the
chainsaw, holy shit. We forgot about the chainsaw

(01:06:34):
fight straight out of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre too, yeah.
This is obviously a Dick swinging contest, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's definitely.
Because he's got the little chainsaw and then he's like,
hang on a second, let me pull out my big, my big one here.
Although you could say it's all about how you use it because the

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big one was not not very good. Not as effective.
And let me tell you, just havingused chainsaws growing up in a
rural place, like I can't imagine a worse weapon to fight
with. Like, you know, they would seize
up instantly, like no sparks would come out.
They would just both stop working really quickly.
They're not. It would it would not be very

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climactic, but but like using itin this light, it was still like
absolutely metal. It was awesome.
And just watching it and seeing the guy catch the beast in the
head right beforehand and then he and then it's like, oh,
there's this big other guy. It's like a video game almost
where he's like going through like the final bosses to get to
like to get to it and oh, it wasso cool though.

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Well, reality, it really wouldn't work out like that.
The cool points are just all there.
I wanted to see that other guy who was like totally being
disgusting while Mandy was burning, like licking his lips
and shit like that. Like I wanted to see him get
fucking like, tortured a little bit.
Is that the one who just caught the axe of the head?

(01:08:01):
I believe so. Yeah, he's whacked in his.
Car and he just yeah. He deserved a little bit more.
So then we get like Marlene, whotries to like, offer her
services, right? Did you?
Never mind the most sensual. Lover it's ever experienced.
There's a big thing against whoring or whatever.

(01:08:22):
Like the biggest whores burn thebrightest or whatever,
obviously. My herself offers him a BJ.
I'll. Blow you man, I'll suck your
fucking Dick. Yes, as like, it's like I'll
suck your Dick. Isn't that what you want?
What'd you say, Joe? I'm sorry.
Let me blow you. Yeah, and it's like he's

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definitely willing to, you know,give up his mouth for his life.
Yeah, it's like such hypocritical stuff, right?
Well, it's like in the. Face of reality, their beliefs
don't like, if they were really like, if they really were true
believers, they'd be like, my soul will be immortal forever
and you know, I don't give a crap.
And he, he wouldn't die on his knees.

(01:09:06):
He's a fanatic. Fanatics don't really believe
'cause if fanatics really believed, then they would act
very differently. They wouldn't have to enforce it
upon others. Yeah, you know, 2 an Obi Wan
Kenobi. I would become more powerful
because of this. Exactly.
I love how I red gives him head which is Marlene head.

(01:09:26):
Yeah. Bowling with heads.
At first I didn't know what it was.
It takes you a second to like, oh wait, that is a head with
great. Okay, that is Marlene Head.
Like you said, I, I found the ending of Jeremiah speaking to
Red kind of like how he was speaking to himself earlier in
the mirror, right? Because he's almost seeing

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himself here. He doesn't believe in the shit
he's, he's spewing really at theend of the day.
So it's kind of kind of your ownpersonal like coming to Jesus
moment and realizing with a. Primordial force that he cannot
control, he cannot bargain, he cannot reason with.
It's like trying to reason with a tornado at that point.

(01:10:08):
It's not going to be meaningful it you know.
And Red looks down and goes, I am your God now and I'm.
God. Yeah, that felt so good.
I hated Jeremiah Sand so much. And it was like, yes, get him.
That felt a little orgasmic at the end.

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I felt like Mandy. I was like, freed from a
spiritual torturing. I was like.
Yes, Joe, what'd you think of the ending?
Were you satisfied a little bit with it?
I know it wasn't the ending thatyou wanted necessarily.
Yeah, but I think that ending shot, like I was talking about
that kind of makes up for it because it's so iconic, you

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know, with him driving and the red all over the the shot looks
really good. And yeah, I thought it was a
good ending, especially visually, but I was like, damn,
this, this lady did all this work to heal her trauma.
She has, you know, a little slice of a nice life going on.

(01:11:12):
These damn cultists come in and ruin it for everybody.
And the, the consequences are like final and and they're stark
and it's just, oh God, it's so sad.
But but apart from that, the thefinal scene is.
It's not always how it is in life, isn't it?
Like you've got everything all set and then some assholes just
coming out of the blue and fuck it up.
It's like there's always there's, you know, there's all.

(01:11:35):
I feel like whenever you reach that moment of like, hey,
everything's pretty good right now.
There's always hope. And you know, yeah.
Always some Jeremiah out there. There's all of a.
Sudden Jeremiah out there, lots of pissing your Cheerios, you
know. Nathan, how about you?
Did this satisfy you like it didfor Bear Claw?
I mean, I was happy to see Jeremiah die but I don't know.

(01:11:57):
I didn't get the whole Mandy is spiritually free now thing from
it. I felt like he was tripping on
acid and he saw Mandy in the carand he was going to come down.
I didn't think the ending was pretty bleak.
Because Mandy is revenge or not.I, I Mandy's dead.

(01:12:17):
They're not in the same world. Yeah, you.
Know everything sucks. Yeah, but I, you know, I was
satisfied seeing Jeremiah's death, that's for sure.
That that it was a good way for him to go too, on his knees
pathetically crying and begging and trying to bargain and being
told I am your God now. I was thinking like, he probably

(01:12:39):
should have died at the end, youknow, like.
I thought that would like, in the Crow, he goes back to the
grave. Yeah, that's kind of what I
wanted. But that would have been too
like, happy, I guess, for this movie.
Right to go hang out with Mandy in In the afterlife, you mean?
Yeah. And sees the crow and
everything. Shows up and.

(01:13:01):
Yeah. So that would have.
Ran with them feet. I want to get your thoughts real
quick before we end here becauseone of the things I had read was
somebody had this theory that Nick Cage was dead.
He was stabbed with that knife thing with the green glowing

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stuff. They were saying that it
transferred some sort of evil spirit to him that like
manifested itself as this revenge guy.
What are your thoughts on that? Because, I mean, do you think he
was alive or do you think this was like him just being dead and
doing this as a, you know, evil spirit sort of deal?

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I think he was alive and everyone was on LSD.
Yeah, a lot of weird shit was happening, but I think it all
pretty much happened. With you on that one, Jill.
I've seen a couple of theories. There's the Red is dead.
I've also seen that this is either a dream he's having and
he's actually gonna wake up and be right next to Mandy.

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I've also seen that this is a book that Mandy is writing.
You know, how she really likes the novels and stuff, and this
is like a book that she's writing.
And that's why all these D&D elements are kind of coming into
it is because she's writing thisbook and this is the story.
And Red is the hero of the story, of course, because, you
know, that's how she would writeit, because she sees him as her

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hero. I find those.
I think they're good. And I think, and you know, hey,
if that's how you want to watch the movie, I think it's awesome.
I am in for a more literal interpretation of it.
But yeah, that's what I love about this movie.
Imagine what you want. How did him and the chemist
talk? They were telepathically
connected. You know, there's lots of,
there's lots of room for this movie to make up your own

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narrative. I made-up a whole big narrative
myself. That's what I love about it is
you can personalize your experience with it in a lot of
ways. I think there's room for a happy
ending where this is all just a book that Mandy's writing, you
know? I like that too.
We're on to quarter kill. We're going to give you our
favorite quote in the movie or our favorite kill of the movie
or both. My favorite quote is actually

(01:15:07):
when Nicolas Cage visits his friend Carruthers and Carruthers
says So what you hunting Red says?
Jesus freaks. I don't know what it was
seasoned. Man my favorite kill is when red
kills the black skull who's watching porn and snorting coke
and he stabs him in the jugular and it's just like.

(01:15:29):
Blood sprays all over red space.Yeah, he's laughing.
Yeah. Like holy shit man, you turned
on the hose and I love it. Like it reminds me of a good old
splatter movie from the 80s. Like more blood?
More blood? How about you, Bear Claw?
So my favorite quote and kill comes at the end of the movie

(01:15:49):
with Jeremiah Sands because again, I felt the catharsis, I
felt Mandy's spirit being freed from its its prison.
And that was my personal interpretation.
And my quote is right before he kills him, he says, and this is
a Joseph Campbell quote. The psychotic drones where the
Mystic swims. You're drowning.

(01:16:16):
You're drowning and I'm swimming.
Yeah, that was powerful. Yeah.
Yeah. Nathan, how about you?
So you already said my favorite line the I didn't know they were
in season man. Feels scolding me.
Yeah, My favorite Kill It's Bleak is this is It's Mandy
because of how emotional and awful it made me feel.

(01:16:40):
It was the most powerful thing that happened in the movie and
it just goes on for so long and it's just, I don't know, it's
it's just, it made me feel really bad and it was the IT it
affected me. The I know it affected me the
most, though, is the thing. It was the.
So that's sort of where I'm at with that.

(01:17:02):
How about you, Jill? Yeah, they kind of talked about
my favorite quote already, the cosmic darkness within red.
And to kind of go along with that, I have the same one as
Bear Claw Jeremiah, because I just love to see that
motherfucker die in such a brutal way.
And yeah, it is a bit cathartic and there's a release for sure.
And he gets what he finally camehere for.

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And yeah, fuck Jeremiah. Well, that gets us to our
letterbox rating. We're going to rate this movie
from one to five stars. 5 is Nick Cage being a total badass.
1 is Jeremiah being a total little bitch.
For me, I'm going to actually have Bear Claw start this
because he's the guest. One star, terrible movie, final.

(01:17:49):
No, no, no. I mean, I think I think this is
very clear. I mean, this movie was made for
me personally, so I think I feelobligated to give it a five star
rating. I mean, this is a must see
movie. I understand it's not gonna be
for everybody, but if you tune into the vibes of it, I think I
think it's got a lot. It's got a lot there for you.

(01:18:10):
Five stars. Jill, how about you?
I am going to give Mandy four stars.
It was a bit of a rough watch for me sometimes, but I really
love the style, the cozy life ofMandy on Red.
The music was a vibe and the tone was really heavy and
effective. It was an upsetting watch but I

(01:18:30):
I found it to be tragic like I said with without much catharsis
at the end. And yes, Red does avenge Mandy
and it's a horror movie, but it is still bleaker than I expected
it to be. I think that's the big thing for
me is like, I expected somethingelse and then I just was not.
I was not ready for that. I like the fantasy and like the

(01:18:53):
eightiesness to it, the kind of metal vibe.
But I also want it more Mandy. But yeah, it's a four stars for
me. What about you, Nathan?
I'm putting this at 4 1/2 stars.I really, really love this
movie. This is I.
Fuck it. Actually, you know what?
It's five stars. This is a damn.

(01:19:14):
Masterpiece. I've changed my mind.
I have to go on the letterbox and change my rating.
This is a masterpiece. All the the psychedelia of it
and how deep you can dive into the symbolism and everything
like that. It it's just a beautifully made
movie that you can enjoy on a surface level or you can dig

(01:19:36):
deeper and enjoy it more. It is really bleak, you know, I,
I've been tired of bleak lately.But in this case, I, I, it just
doesn't. It doesn't change how amazing it
is to me, Kevin. Yeah, so I was really between
like 4 1/2 and five stars. My really only big critique of
this movie is the length. When you get past two hours, for

(01:19:59):
me, it starts feeling it and andmost things, you know.
But I mean, if that's my only critique.
Fuck it I'm diving in the LSD with Nathan and Bear claw, give
me 5 stars. There you go.
I think I think actually when I first watched this, I was

(01:20:22):
probably out like a three star and I probably went up to a
four-star my second watch and now I'm out of five.
Like it just kept getting betterfor me.
And that's what I really love about this movie.
And like we've all talked about with different things we've seen
and different ways you can take this movie and interpretations.
I really love that. I love that idea that it keeps

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you thinking throughout, you know, even when you're not
watching it. So, and again, some of those
scenes are ingrained in my mind forever and that's when, you
know, it's like a five star movie further for good ways too.
Like, you know, sometimes scenesget in your mind for bad ways,
but you know this, you know, just Nick Cage smiling with all

(01:21:04):
the blood on his face. I mean, fuck, that's so visceral
and and it's awesome, you know, and I work.
I really wish Nick Cage was celebrated more because I I
think he deserves it and Mandy is a great movie for him to be
celebrated. Before we end the episode, we
want to let you all know what we've been up to.
I have one thing that I just watched recently and it was VHS

(01:21:27):
Halloween that's currently streaming on Shudder.
The VHS movies, I've watched a couple of them.
I'm not a huge fan, especially found footage and things like
that, but like most of them theyare like anthology based.
There's usually like some good stories, some bad stories.
It's kind of like this too. I really recommend VHS
Halloween, especially for spookyseason.

(01:21:49):
Like I think it is cool. Like it has some great Halloween
stories, you know, some remindedme of like a really dark, fucked
up Goosebumps. So the was it the first one is
kind of like Barbarian. Is it the first one?
I watched it, but I was really. Yeah, not really.
Much attention. The first one's definitely like

(01:22:11):
Barbarian. It has one that's like turning
people into candy. Oh.
Yes, that one's crazy. Yeah, it's so good.
That one's my favorite because it's like, this is what this
should be like. Just have fun with it and go,
yeah, crazy all out, you know? And then the last one too is

(01:22:31):
like, that's where I got a lot of the big like adult goosebump
vibes, like wonder if your haunted house became like actual
haunted house people and stuff like that.
And it was very cool. I thought it was well done.
There is a couple stories that Ididn't like, like 1 was like
children ask and I don't like that.
Like, you know, abducting kids and stuff.

(01:22:53):
How does it rank on your VHS like leaderboard?
So I think I've only seen three of them and I don't remember.
I don't remember. That's OK.
I mean, yeah, there's so many stories.
Did you guys watch the the Space1?
Yeah, the sci-fi one, right I. Love the sci-fi?

(01:23:14):
One. That one was really good too.
With the watch, that's one of myfavorites.
With the police officers in the house, that's so cool.
Yeah, that one was cool. Yeah, I thought this was really
good. I would, I mean it's probably
one of my favourites. I feel like it will have some
staying power whereas like the other ones just kind of are all
in there. I'm currently reading We Love

(01:23:34):
You Bunny by Mona Awad. There you go.
I think I talked about when I read the first Bunny book on the
podcast. Possibly it was.
A long time ago. I think it was a long time ago.
Yeah. That's one of my favourite books
ever. And this is a sequel to that.
It's kind of like Heather's meets Mean Girls meets

(01:23:54):
Frankenstein. It's dark academia with a focus
on the craft of writing, and it follows the aftermath of the
first book with perspectives from the other characters.
Because the first book, the maincharacter, the protagonist, has
schizophrenia, so she's an unreliable narrator.
So you're hearing all the other perspectives, which is cool.

(01:24:16):
I'll probably talk about it nextweek when I finish it.
I did my annual rewatch of Trickor Treat.
Did we watch that last year for the podcast?
I did, yeah. It's a perfect movie and it's a
perfect spooky season movie and I adore everything about it and
I'll probably watch it again this month.
I gotta watch it myself. I make it a part of of my

(01:24:37):
Halloween watching every year. It's, it's just perfect.
I love everything about it. For it's latest podcast, we just
did an episode on Peter Jackson's Dead Alive, AKA Brain
Dead. It's been on my.
List for a while. Oh my God dude, I've heard it's.
Really good. You know how in Mandy, Elijah
Wood being a producer or whatever in that movie is like

(01:25:00):
kind of interesting, right? And he's in Lord of the Rings.
Peter Jackson in horror is also just like so unexpected.
It's such like a splatter movie.Didn't he do nothing but
splatter movies prior to Lord ofthe?
Rings. But then he did Lord of the
Rings. I'm like, this is the same guy.
Like holy shit, dude. Yeah.
But I love Dead Alive. It kind of reminds me of Evil

(01:25:23):
Dead with the sense of comedy init and it's just over the top
gore. If you're interested in more of
my thoughts about that, you can go listen to the episode.
And Kevin, you're a liar becauseyou also watched Night of the
Reaper and we did an episode on it's latest podcast, Not Slaying
on it. Yeah, I listen to the spoiler

(01:25:44):
free portion of that actually. OK, good.
And then you turn that off. Yeah, I haven't seen it so I
can't listen to the rest. I actually.
They actually brought it up on the Mouth of Madness podcast on
our latest episodes. That's why I didn't mention it.
He. Forgot about it.
Yeah. Purposely, but no, no, no.
Like I yeah, Knight of the Reaper, like I really loved it

(01:26:08):
and I highly recommend it. Yeah, Yeah, you did.
Yeah, it was good. I think it's like gaining a lot
of steam on Shutter and I see a lot of people talking about it
on Reddit and so I'm happy to see that and want to hear more
of mine and Kevin's thoughts on it.
You can go listen to the It's Lee's podcast.
Nathan, what are you been up to?Because of the Red Sox

(01:26:31):
postseason, I only have two movies that I've really watched.
I've got a 4.5 and an 0.5. Which one do you want first
four? .5.
OK, so I watched a movie called The Devils.
This is a a Ken Russell movie. It came out in 1971.

(01:26:55):
It's my the first movie I've watched by Ken Russell and it
takes place in France a little bit after the end of the Spanish
Inquisition. I don't know.
It's categorized as horror, but I would say it's really more of
the historical drama. It was banned in a lot of
places. It's pretty crazy.

(01:27:16):
And out there, basically this priest is like the leader of
this town within France, but France is trying to federalize
all the the little towns that are sort of operating
independently. And so they try to frame the
priest for being a demon because, you know, the Catholic

(01:27:39):
Church has taken over France's federal government and they're
trying to gain more power. And this nun accuses him of
possessing her. And then the whole, what are,
what are nuns in? And the whole convent starts
accusing him of, of, of possessing, yes, sorry, of

(01:28:01):
possessing them. And it gets crazy and out there
the nuns are think they're possessed and they get naked and
they go feral. Basically it's is.
That based on the Aldous Huxley books The Devil of Laudanum.
That it is, yeah. I knew it sounded so Aldous
Huxley is one of my favorite alltime writers and I was like,

(01:28:22):
that sounds so familiar. Yeah, Yeah.
No, it is. It's based on that book and
because it was, you know, considered blasphemous and it's
a really, really intense and crazy movie.
It's just like constant chaos once you get to the point where
the where the nuns become possessed and it's it's great.

(01:28:45):
Like I said, it's my first Ken Russell movie.
I'm going to be seeking out moreKen Wrestle movies.
I know he did Altered States anda few others.
I highly recommend it. Unfortunately you can only find
it on the Criterion channel. It's not streaming anywhere else
and in fact, physically you can only get it on DVDWB is like

(01:29:10):
holding it hostage because it was this was so controversial in
its day and I guess WB still thinks it's extremely
controversial. I don't know.
I I don't think it's band worthy.
I mean, there's, there's plenty of movies on my Blu-ray shelf
that that are more controversialthan this one, but I don't know

(01:29:33):
mainstream movie companies. It's a dog.
Was only starting to come back. Dogma by Kevin Smith is only
starting to be republished. Now, Yeah, yeah, no, WB was
holding that hostage too for a long time.
So. And that one's barely
controversial. Unless.
You're never understood that like.
Yeah, unless you're an extremist, that one's not.

(01:29:56):
But anyway. And then the second thing I
watched that I gave 0.5 stars too and my review for it was
actually vomit inducing was Backto Black, the Amy Winehouse
biopic. No, you poor thing.
Yeah, so I'm a huge Amy Winehouse fan.

(01:30:21):
In fact, that's Amy Winehouse back there.
Her head always ends up out of frame.
But that those are her boobies. Yeah.
No, this this biopic is is extremely disrespectful and just
not. I'm not OK with it.

(01:30:42):
It sort of whitewashes both her father and her husband's role in
her life. If you watch the documentary,
which is simply titled Amy, they're very much villains in
her story. If you know about the concert
that she put on shortly before she died where it went terribly
and she was way too drunk to perform, she throws her shoe

(01:31:04):
with the guitar player and it was all on camera.
The reason she was on stage is because her management and her
father pressured her into doing it even though she was obviously
not well and needed to go to rehab.
She was treated like an ATM by both her her manager and her
father. But instead this movie portrays

(01:31:28):
her father as just this put uponman with this awful alcoholic
daughter. Her husband at one point in the
movie gets arrested for assault.And if you only knew about her
husband, what you saw in this movie, you'd be like, how did

(01:31:50):
that happen? It's so out of character.
Why would this charming man commit an assault?
Even though the reality is it ishe had a long history of
violence and and substance abuse.
So it just it's sort of whitewashed everything except
for her. She is portrayed as this, you

(01:32:11):
know, violence, sort of unhingedaddict, which to some extent she
was. I'm not saying, you know, she
has no responsibility in her story.
I'm just saying like you, you can't whitewash everybody else
in her story and have that be OK.

(01:32:34):
I I found it horrifically disrespectful and 0.5 stars
don't anyone ever watch it. How about you blah blah.
I mentioned this on Mountain Madness, but it's such a fun
story I want to mention it here.I'm reading The Metamorphosis of
Prime Intellect. If you ever want to know what AI
will do with serial killers, it's a good read.

(01:32:57):
It's very interesting. It kind of has to do with this
AI and it's kind of a sci-fi scenario of the singularity, but
it goes in a lot of different directions and, and how kind of
utopia can be hell at the same time.
It's really interesting work. I'm not all the way through it,
so I'm not fully endorsing it because it could go in some

(01:33:17):
weird directions, but I'm interested enough in it to be
about halfway through the book. It's about 175 pages.
So I I think it's worth a look. I also got on a little bit of a
Nicolas Cage tear and wash wild that love that movie.
It only grew my love of David Lynch.

(01:33:37):
Laura Dern. She looks she looks fantastic
and acts awesome in that movie. And and William Defoe.
I mean, it's just it's not a horror movie, but it's it's an
amazing movie. And like I was talking about
earlier, I'm I'm a big Adult Swim fan, so smiling friends
season 3 is coming out now. So I'm going to be watching

(01:33:58):
that. And I finished up Alien earth.
And if you haven't watched that show and you're an alien fan,
Oh, you need to get on that. That is like the best alien
universe material that has come out in a long time and highly
recommend it. But that's that's what I've been
up to. Wow, high praise.
That does it. For our review on Mandy, we want
to say thank you Bear Claw for joining us.

(01:34:19):
It's been awesome for. Having me fun is fun.
Fun hashing out Mandy. This is one I've been waiting
for for a long time, so thank you so much for having me on and
listening to my mad ramble. And if you want, if you want to
hear more of Bear Claw, Bear Claw is on the Mouth of Madness
podcast. You can go and check out any
Mouth of Madness episode on our YouTube channel, or you can go

(01:34:43):
to your favorite audio platform and listen to them there.
I mean, 5 coming up next, Yeah, me and Kevin, yeah.
Hell. 5 Kevin made me watch it. That episode's gonna kill me.
I. Reviewed that one.
Count me out. We'll be back with a new episode

(01:35:05):
on Straight Jacket Talk, and we're going to be reviewing bear
Claws favorite The Crow from 1994.
The fact that we kept referring to it and I forgot we were
actually doing it, I. Forgot that was the next episode
as well. Spend Halloween with
straightjacket, chalk and Eric Draven.
It will be awesome. Yeah.

(01:35:27):
It. Can't rain all the You're
constantly misquoting. You can't rain all the time it.
Was very deep. It means that things get.
Better things that mean. It means that things get better
sometimes. On that movie, they don't.
Yes they do. Every second is better than the

(01:35:47):
last .5 Every second is better than the last.
No, Oh Lord. We also have links in our
description for any of the movies that we talked about that
we reviewed. And we also have a link to
Jill's Goodread. We'll be back soon, but until
then, back to the Padded Room with you.

(01:36:11):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Didn't think of anything.

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