The Crow (1994): Straitjacket Talk

We revisit The Crow (1994)—Alex Proyas’ gothic revenge classic starring Brandon Lee—to ask if it’s still iconic in 2025. We dive into the tragedy and legacy, the Detroit Devil’s Night setting, cult status, graphic novel roots (James O’Barr), unforgettable soundtrack (The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, Stone Temple Pilots), and why Eric Draven remains a timeless antihero. Expect a fun, spoiler-light review & analysis with quotes, best kills, style/cinematography talk, and how the film compares to sequels/remakes. If you love ’90s cult films, goth aesthetics, comic-to-film adaptations, or Brandon Lee tributes—this one’s for you!

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
I'm so sick of all this rain. Too much rain, it sucks.
Can't rain all the time. Oh look, it stopped.
Yeah, hey. Everyone welcome to Straitjacket

(00:27):
Talk where it's two guys, a girl, and a horror show.
My name is Kevin and I'm joined by a guy who used to be a part
of T Birds crew. It's Nathan.
Yep, I swallowed a bullet and I ended up in the hospital.
My intestines started hemorrhaging.
It was a bad time. That's why I quit.
Whoa, that's a good reason to quit.

(00:47):
Yeah. Dang, so your intestines were
pretty. Fire it up.
Fire it up. Woo, I'm also joined.
I'm also joined by a girl who would come back from the dead.
For Eric Draven, it's Jill. 100%I'd do anything for him.

(01:07):
Samsies, We watched The Crow from 1994.
It was directed by Alex Proyus. Screenplay by David J SHO and
John Shirley. Based on the graphic novel The
Crow by James Obar. This had a budget of $23

(01:28):
million. Now I know we already covered
this on the Mouth of Madness podcast.
I do not remember. All right, I was going to say,
do you know how much it made at the box office?
I think this has a reputation for being one of those films
that became successful once it hit home video.
I don't think it did well in thetheater.
I'm going to go 16,000,000. All right, 16,000,000 OK.

(01:52):
You think you lost money? Yeah, I do OK.
I will do 85,000,000. Jill is the closest.
The Crow made $94 million at thebottle shop.
I was 100% wrong about that thing where like it didn't find
its success in the theater. So this did find success in the
theater, but I think you're right too, Nathan.
I think like once it hit video it really also had a pretty big

(02:17):
following after that. As well like a cult following.
Yeah, yeah, I've heard this be like compared a little bit to
the Craft in many ways. You know, like this, this and
the Craft kind of have that samevibe where it like has such like
a fouling. It did do very well at the box
office. Maybe that's the reason why they
tried all the the sequels there for a little bit.

(02:39):
Yeah, right. Yeah, I haven't seen any of them
and I tend to keep it that way. Same.
You know what, I remember not minding City of Angels, but it's
a lot of the same sort of movies.
So right. And without Brandon Lee, so you
know. No one wants that.

(03:01):
Yeah, the actress you played, Sarah, came back.
Or wait a minute, No, she didn't.
You know what? It was just the character of
Sarah came back. So there wasn't even any
carryover from from the first one at all.
So there really doesn't need to be a sequel, though it's one
story. I also think it's kind of like
rude for them to make so many sequels and stuff because this

(03:21):
is directly based off of the graphic novel, which is based on
someone's real life. So I don't know, I feel like
making sequels of it kind of cheapens it a little bit.
Yeah, for sure. And some of the direct to video
sequels, they really changed stories.

(03:42):
I think I only saw one other onewhere like the guy was wrongly
executed and came back. I had Kirsten Dunst in it.
Really. It was way different.
So I don't know, Like I think atthat point they're just using
the property, the name of the crow, right?
The letterbox rating is at a 3.8out of five and currently sits

(04:04):
at an 88% on the thermometer certified fresh.
But what did we think of the crow?
Before we go any further, if youcould please hit the like and
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Because when we have a new video, you'll be the first to
know. Isn't that right, Nathan?
Yes, it's a privilege. I was thinking about this today.
It's really cool that we're all covering The Crow.

(04:26):
Nathan and I watched this movie maybe 100 times in high school.
I mean over and over again. We watched this movie a lot.
In your basement, yeah. Yeah, so it it was a big movie
for us. We quoted it all the time.
It was like we didn't even have to watch it anymore.
We could just quote it back and forth all the time.

(04:46):
He's probably still banging awayat Darla.
I would still bang away on Darla.
I love too that we didn't just hammer all the like classic
lines, you know, we were gettinglike the other ones in there.
The deep cuts. Right.
Yeah, right. Yeah, like banging away at
Darla. Yeah, it's.

(05:07):
Probably banging away at Darla, Deep Cut.
Jill and I, when we first started talking, we talked about
The Crow. The remake was just coming out
and we were both kind of like, Ican't believe this is happening.
Were we both reading the novel, the graphic novel, at the same
time, actually, when we met? Yeah, I think so, yeah.
You were the one that really told me about it.

(05:30):
What I remember, because you were like, yeah, I just picked
up the the graphic novel and I was like, whoa, I didn't even
realize this was based on. So super glad you point pointed
me in that direction because when I read it, it was like,
whoa, this is really, really cool.
And like you could see everything it's kind of based on
and and the differences and everything.

(05:51):
So that was that was awesome. I think like this is a movie
that we've all kind of had in our zeitgeist together, so.
It brought us all together like straitjacket talk.
Probably wouldn't exist, at least in the the way it is now,
if we didn't all bond over the crow.
So this is like a very special episode, very dear to our
hearts. For sure, for sure.

(06:13):
This is going to be a tough one for me to like go over without
like fanboying over the whole time.
This is a very special movie to me.
It's one of my favourites of alltime.
After all this time watching it,it's still is one of those
movies that just transforms me back into that that time when I
first watched it. Like I don't know how to explain

(06:35):
it, but it's just like every time I watch, it's like the
first time. It has that magical feeling.
I think what's cool about this is it's like horror but not
horror. It's a revenge story.
It's a love story. It's.
A little bit of a superhero movie as well, in a way.
Yeah, it's so cool how I think it blends so many different

(06:57):
styles together and it comes together and I think a
beautiful, beautiful movie. Nathan, what's your thoughts on
The Crow all these years later? First off, I, I I want to say
it's a it's a shame that Bear Claw couldn't join us to.
He's here on your shirt. Review is his favorite movie.
He's here in in spirit on my shirt.

(07:18):
I love the. Crow.
Anyway. It's messed up.
I put too much effort into that.Bear claws getting the lawsuit
started. I know, right?
Defamation. I love this movie.
I don't think I love it as much as I loved it back in high

(07:40):
school. I didn't watch it for sort of a
long time. The mouths of madness covered
it, and now we're covering it, and I still really love this
movie. I love how it is a unapologetic
revenge power fantasy. I love how it's unapologetically
aimed at goth teenagers. All of the the real cheesy lines

(08:07):
are just fun and great and. I say don't move, so the white
you move, you're dead. And I say I'm dead and I move.
Definitely meant to make your average goth teenager think it's
extremely deep and, you know, brooding, but all of that's
awesome. You know, I, when I watch it, I,

(08:28):
I just, I, I go with it like yes, yes, that is, that is deep.
It's, it's not really that deep,but yes, it is deep and it's
just, I don't know, it's, it's fun.
It doesn't pretend to be something it's not.
It's a fun gothic superhero revenge story.
I just love that. It's kind of cool what you said

(08:49):
because it's like you have to really dive into the fantasy for
this movie to really like take hold, Like, because if you're
just kind of examining it at a surface level, it's not going to
have the same effect. Yeah, no, there's, there's a lot
about it that's really, you know, it's very comic book, it's
very campy comic book, cheesy type stuff.

(09:12):
That's that's what makes it great.
You know, It did and it doesn't apologize for what it is.
It just is, you know? Yeah, for sure.
Jill, what's your thoughts on The Crow?
First of all, I just wanted to kind of go back to like my first
memory of The Crow. So to me, The Crow is one of
those formative movies from my adolescence.

(09:35):
I remember illegally downloadingit on the family computer to
watch it. Did you get a virus as well or?
Probably. Probably on a bunch.
But it was worth it cuz Limewire, yeah.
And it was when I was in my golfphase in high school, just
really resonated with me and I kind of moved something in.

(09:56):
Me too, and for several reasons.First of all, I'm going to bring
up the soundtrack. Sounds.
Good. It's incredible.
Yeah. To me, when I was watching this,

(10:17):
I was already listening to The Cure and listening to Night
Snails, Seeing this movie and hearing the music I already
listened to and then like some other bangers as well.
I don't know, it just really clicked with me, but so good.
What did you guys think? I love the soundtrack of this
movie especially. I mean, you got 9 Inch Nails
covering Joy Division, which is like, that's like goth heaven,

(10:43):
right? There wet dream.
Yeah, and I wasn't a goth kid, but I did love that music and I
especially loved that cover of Dead Souls, and that's sort of
how I got introduced to Joint Division, which is a band I
really love. It's the same sort of deal.
I was listening to a lot of thatmusic already, that a lot of it

(11:05):
is like early 90s grunge and like goth rock.
I didn't get into The Cure untila little bit later in life,
though. I think I listened to them in
high school at all, to be honestwith you.
That's actually shocking. Yeah, I know that's that kind of
is a band you discover in high school and.

(11:28):
It's funny because when we covered Fear Street, right, and
we were 1994 and we were talkingabout like the needle drops
after needle drops and kind of how it wasn't like these are all
awesome songs, but it's not fitting what's on screen and not
fitting what's in the movie. I think this movie, if you talk
about like a perfect soundtrack for what's on on the screen.

(11:49):
Yeah, this is that movie. Like it hits all those beats.
It's a time capsule too, becausethose are the songs of that
error too. So you can't watch this movie
and not have the soundtrack overit.
You need it. Yeah.
It really goes hand in hand and and it works so well with with
what's on the screen. I mean, even a song like Big

(12:11):
Empty by STP, they're just in that subtle little scene.
I mean, that was going to becomea big hit, and it was even
before that became a hit, so. That was diegetic, though.
That wasn't really a needle dropwhen you think about it.
Yeah, a lot of the popular musicwas was diegetic.

(12:32):
It was just like played in the background in the club and stuff
like that. Yeah, I think that that it's
important. It's like a dying breed because
movies nowadays just don't have that touch, to me anyway.
Yeah, I don't mean to sound likethe old man in my soapbox, but.
Yeah, a lot don't. You mentioned fear St. it.
It has literally like 3 times asmany needle drops as this movie,

(12:56):
and this movie is famous for itsneedle drops.
Exactly, and like Kevin was saying, they go with what's
happening on screen. If it's the tone fear St.
they're playing 9 inch nails closer.
And it wasn't even like that. It wasn't even like a sexy
scene, you know? So like, what are you doing?

(13:16):
It was over like an establishingshot of the mall.
What? Are you doing kind of tying into
what you said? I love the style of the movie.
It's like dark and gritty. It reminds me of Gotham in a
way, and it's like brooding and poetic and even romantic.
Like you said, it's a love story.
Eric Draven's face makeup is iconic and everything he does

(13:40):
goes back to Shelley, including the mask.
I liked the aesthetic of the whole movie, like the color
palette they use is like dark and everything has this like
kind of gothic Sheen to it and like the costumes that make up
everything. It's just, it's a gothic
masterpiece. I wanted to touch on what you're
saying, Joe, really quick because when I watch this right,
the cinematography doesn't seem like they actually use like a

(14:02):
filter on the camera, like the way it's shot.
I mean, it looks so dark everywhere except where the
characters are on the screen. It's it's really amazing if you
think about it. Like it.
Yeah, it's that dark gothic tone, but it's not a fake gothic
tone, if that makes sense. I mean, it's extremely stylized.

(14:26):
They're definitely lighting the characters a lot more heavily
than they're lighting the background of everything.
Because it kind of reminds me ofSin City in in many ways.
Yes. But Sin City was 100% CGI, yeah.
I didn't like Sin City at all. You didn't like Sin City?
No, yeah, I'm trash. I don't know.

(14:47):
You. May need to rewatch it.
It was like 2007. I was a a child basically.
Teenager, right? Well, I was like 19 or 20 when
when I saw it the first time andI I loved it.
Yeah, that's cool. It's cool that you brought that
up because I think the the biggest thing that's hard to
recreate from this movie is likethe gothic kind of atmosphere

(15:10):
and things like that. Some of it almost feels like
Burt and Ask at times, like it has those qualities too.
Like Batman? Yeah, like you said, like
Batman. Yeah.
It's like gritty, right? Like, and it reminds me of New
York, but I know it's not New York.
It's like Detroit or something. It's Detroit.
Is it Detroit? Yeah, that makes sense too,

(15:30):
because Detroit's pretty gritty.It wasn't as bad back then as it
kind of is now, but. All of our listeners from
Detroit are gonna be like, what did he say?
I'm sorry our country failed youanyway.
I don't know about you and I'm not picking on Detroit, but in
this movie, I would not want to live in this city.

(15:53):
No, everything is always on fire.
Devil's Night here is like, holyshit.
What are we doing? So I looked this up actually,
because I've heard like of Devil's Night before, but I was
wondering like if it was called other things or whatever.
So I Googled it and yeah, it's called other things in other
places, but in Detroit, it's a really big thing there.
So it's interesting that that's like a part of the movie, yeah.

(16:16):
So they actually like have criminal things that happen like
fires and things like that. I don't know what to like, to
what extent it is, but it's likeAI don't want to say popular,
but it's a known thing there. Gotcha.
Yeah, most places Devil's Night is just teenagers throwing
toilet paper and exit houses. So this was like organized crime

(16:38):
units actually setting setting buildings on fire.
What about Devil's Night? I started the first fires in
this goddamn city. Killing and raping people.
Oh, yeah, Killing and raping people.
You know what I gotta say, right?
There's a reason why we're recording this around Halloween.
This movie is set around Halloween.
Like, I don't think it gets enough recognition for that

(17:01):
right? As a Halloween movie.
Yeah, what the fuck gets married?
On Halloween, anyway. Nobody.
That's actually a sick date. I thought that when I was
watching it this time, I was like, I feel like all the Goths
want to get married on Halloween, so it's probably like
they're like fighting for venues, just like a graveyard.
Too many weddings in Salem on Halloween.

(17:22):
Yep, there you go. Dang, I was thinking about that
too. I was like, well, are they goth
like Eric Draven and Shelly Webster?
They're alternative, you know. Yeah, think Eric Draven.
Like in a Nirvana cover band basically.
So it's basically you guys in high school, I guess.
So. Hangman's joke.

(17:45):
We should have covered some hangman's joke.
That would have went over well. Yeah, I don't know.
That's the part of the soundtrack that I wasn't
particularly fond of, to be honest with you.
Not that it's bad, it's just kind of generic.
It did. It's it was its purpose, though.
You know, what I really love about this movie, and I think
about it all the time, is we're thrown right into this

(18:05):
situation. Situation opening shot, right?
Like, there's really no exposition.
It's just this is a crime scene,right?
Eric Draven's dead. He's been thrown out a window.
We have Shelly Webster, who's hanging on to life here.
I mean, this is kind of a brutalway to start the movie.

(18:26):
Oh yeah, for sure. Very.
Dark. Yeah, that's the tone right
away, and I love how that sort of allows you to get into the
action right away. I think Eric Draven is
resurrected within the first like 10-15 minutes or something
like that, right? All the context you need to care
about these characters and care about this crime is given to you
in flashbacks, and I think that's a really clever way to

(18:51):
get you straight into the store.Which I heard is a problem with
the remake. Actually I haven't seen it but I
hear the first hour is like they're still alive.
Interesting. I think in the book it also kind
of it's a car accident or something, but it's like
different. It's the same.
Sorry, it's different than from the reboot, but it's kind of the

(19:11):
same as the movie. Like it all just starts off and
then I feel like the flashbacks are very effective and also
paced well. Like you get enough each time to
care, but they still hit every time you get another one.
Jill, I was gonna ask you like if you remembered in the book,
because I remembered when I readit.
There were maybe longer or like more flashbacks to Shelly and

(19:35):
Eric's relationship, right? Yeah, there's like other things
they were doing, like Christmas I think was one.
Yeah. Oh the cats in the movie cuz I
remember the cat. I agree with you both.
I think for the movie versus thebook.
Obviously in the book you have to stretch certain things out
but in the movie it worked really well with the flashbacks

(19:56):
and how are they and how are they were paced.
I had read though they originally had longer flashbacks
and more of them, but what endedup happening was because of
Brandon Lee's death, didn't get a chance to kind of film those
out. So kind of what you had was
spliced in. And actually I think it does

(20:17):
benefit the movie in in hindsight.
One of the other big differencesis in the book and they actually
filmed it. They were going to have the
skull Cowboy character. Basically, his job was to guide
Eric and kind of give him some context as to what's going on
and how to help him. This is another thing I'm

(20:40):
actually glad they took out in the movie, because I think what
would have done this movie a disservice is exposition on
exposition like. Right.
Yeah, yeah. The audience isn't stupid.
Like we can figure out what's going on with the character of
Eric Draven, and I think that's awesome how we see throughout
what's going on. The Crow is guiding him right in

(21:03):
in helping him it. Works better that way.
Yeah, right, right. I thought so.
So I don't know, what did you guys think of the Crow leading
him and kind of helping him to, I guess, enact his revenge,
right? I felt like it helped contribute
to the atmosphere of the movie. I felt like focusing in on it

(21:24):
was interesting. Kept things dark I suppose.
And also he had a little friend it.
Reminds me of the one eyed Ravenin Game of Thrones.
He's like looking out for. Her and stuff, Yeah.
It's like his spiritual guide, right?
Cuz yeah, just those scenes of him, like you said, are
reincarnating or whatever comingto life.

(21:44):
And then I like the imagery of him, like seeing what the crow
sees. Yeah, yeah.
And there's also like close-ups on the crow's eyeball and on to
Eric Draven's eyeball. And that those shots, I, you
know, it's very stylish and I, Ienjoy that sort of thing.

(22:05):
They actually use the Crow in this movie, right?
Because the Crow is his link between worlds.
And I kind of like how they figure that out.
Like the bad guys figure out that he's the link.
Crow is his link between the land of the living and the realm
of the dead. So kill the crow and destroy the

(22:28):
man? What did you think, Jill, of
that that aspect? I like that it adds like a
little bit of folklore to it allabout, you know, life and death
and how souls get carried over to different realms and stuff.
I thought that was really interesting.
And it's called the Crow. So it's nice to see, you know,
more of the Crow having influence and actually making a

(22:51):
difference in the movie. And I also think when he's made
that fire, it was like in the shape of the Crow.
I thought that was really cool as well.
Every time he left his calling card, it was so badass.
This movie is just so badass. We haven't talked about how it's
just so badass yet. Let's get to the.
Let's get to the badass. Yeah.
Let's get to the badass. Because this is this is kind of

(23:11):
like Mandy, right? This is a revenge movie.
Like. Yeah, relived his girlfriend or
his fiancee getting raped and and murdered, right through
other people like Officer Albright.
He saw what happened to her. Yeah.
I mean, same kind of concept as Mandy.
This is full revenge. And when he goes full revenge, I

(23:33):
mean, this is, like you said, Nathan, a badass kind of
superhero movie. Like he's going after these bad
guys. When he murders Tin Tin and just
stabs him with like 6 or 7 knives, you know, aren't we all
catching a knife in his hand like this?
And I mean, it's, it's pure, youknow, superhero power fantasy

(23:57):
stuff and it's so fun and so well done and it's just great.
It's badass. It's after Tin Tin had his
little speech like let me tell you about murder.
Let. Me.
Tell you bonkers. It's fun.
It's easy, it's easy, it's fun, and it's like oh I hate you so

(24:18):
much. And then you know he gets
stabbed like 8 or 9 times by a bunch of different knives.
Great by his own. Knives, yeah.
Yeah, he got what he got. Yeah, and then Eric Draven stole
his jacket and then, you know. That's awesome.
He needed the jacket. To complete the jacket.
Yeah, ensemble. Yeah, it make the look really

(24:42):
iconic, right, with the the facepain and the long black trench
coat and stuff. He introduces himself to Tin
Tin, where he just falls off thebuilding and he's laughing
there. I love that scene.
Yeah. It's like, what's great?
What are you all dressed up for?Halloween and Tilmanyana.

(25:03):
Tilmanyana. Jill, what's your thoughts?
Because Tin Tin, he needed to go.
And we get kind of what we're going to get in this movie
right, right away. I love that it's a particularly
violent movie, and it works because the acts admitted
against Eric and Shelley were soviolent and bloody.

(25:25):
So yeah, makes sense that the revenge is also violent and
bloody. Sorry to keep talking about the
book. I'll say one more thing about
the book. James O Barr wrote this to kind
of grieve losing his wife to a car accident with a drunk
driver. And so he wrote this as some
sort of catharsis. You can really feel the pain,
like the whole movie, Like, you really feel the pain, the

(25:47):
isolation, the loneliness, like the desolation from the way that
it's filmed, like the rain, the colors.
Brandon Lee in general as a performer nails it, but just the
subject matter as well. Like you can tell he poured
everything into this and it's authentic.
And then the tragedy just like worsens, you know, with Brandon
Lee's demise, I'll say. And that was like also really

(26:12):
violent. Where I was going to go with
this. Is that James Obar in like the,
I think is it the afterword or the forward of the book?
Like there's like a new edition of it where he says he regrets
making this movie because of what happened to Brandon Lee.
He feels so guilty for it. So it's really sad that this
like, cycle kind of continues for James Obar.

(26:33):
Like, he makes this movie to grieve and then something else
really tragic happens and, you know, kind of like cancels it
out for him. That is sad, yeah.
I think that's a big part of like this movie.
It feels more than a movie because of everything that
happened in this movie and rightlike James O Bar and stuff,
writing this movie on his personal loss and kind of

(26:57):
everything he dealt with in his grief.
It's tough. I know, for when I was reading
about it, he did not want Brandon Lee to play Eric Draven.
He was against it because Brandon Lee had been in kind of
Kung Fu movies, action movies, so he wanted that deeper
connection to the character. And then when he saw Brandon on

(27:20):
the set dressed up, he was like this.
This is the guy I think Brandon knew too, that this was his
role, like he became Eric Draven.
I think to your point, this movie, a big part of this, what
makes this movie iconic, is it'slife imitating art imitating
life. You know what I mean?
Yeah, well said I. Will say something that bothers

(27:43):
me though about the making of the was anybody held accountable
for that accident? No, no, that does that bothers
me. Like you look at what happened
on the set of Rust. People were held accountable.
Somebody somewhere along the wayfucked up.
Safety is important to me on a movie set.
I'd like to know that the peoplewhen I'm watching a movie that

(28:06):
the the people that I'm watching, it's fiction and
they're all alive and well. You know what I'm saying?
And in this movie, I can't really do that.
And it, and it actually, it actually bothers me, especially
knowing that we never figured out who fucked it up, you know?

(28:26):
Yeah. So you're 100% rape.
This is considered one of the most cursed movies of all time
for the horrible things that happened on set.
Not only Brandon Lee's death, there was an electrician who got
set on fire and lost both his ears.
Oh my God. There was a hurricane that hit
the set. I mean, there's a ton of things

(28:47):
that that end up happening on this movie.
This movie's a good example. Like if you cut corners to try
to make your time frame or your budget or whatever, these are
the real life things that happenand and people pay prices for
that. Obviously, like you said, nobody
really was held accountable at the end of the day.

(29:08):
Poor Michael Massey, who plays Fun boy Who shows.
The gun. Yeah, he was fucked up for life
after this movie, you know, Right?
Yeah, It really affected him. And how would it not, you know?
Yeah, how could he know? Obviously he didn't know, but
he's gonna feel that guilt. Yeah, anyway, because that's not

(29:29):
an easy thing psychologically toto get past by any means, even
though it's, you know, not his fault, right?
What was it? There was like a a shrapnel
stuck in the barrel right when it was fired.
So what ended up happening, theysaid, is the day before they
were doing some close up shots of the gun.

(29:51):
And with that they used, I forget the term they're they're
real bullets, but they have no. Powder.
I'm not sure what it is, to be honest with you.
There's a, There's a whole. Lot about guns on this podcast.
I know. There's a whole video on YouTube
that explains what happened, butbasically a real bullet got

(30:12):
lodged in the barrel, right, Right.
And the next day, when this scene was supposed to be filmed
where Air Draven walks into the apartment and Shelly's getting
assaulted, he was supposed to beshot as soon as he walks in.
For this scene, they used the same gun.
They they took out all those other bullets, but nobody

(30:33):
checked the barrel. And like you said, Nathan, this
is where somebody needs to be onset is like a weapons person
strictly for that. Well, we learned from the Rust
case. Basically like armor needs to be
held accountable for this. Right.
And they didn't have that. They had a prop assistant.
So nobody checked the barrel. They loaded it with the blanks.

(30:57):
But what end up happening is theforce of the blank took the real
bullet and it shot out and. So yeah, I mean, cause a blank
is just a bullet without the part that shoots out the front
of the barrel, like, you know, it's gonna it has the same
amount of force as as a real bullet.
Yeah, it's just nothing that it's forcing.

(31:18):
Out so it it sucks it's it's horrible.
It's really, really horrible. They we're not going to actually
release this movie and Brandon Lee's fiance and his mother went
to Alex Proyos and they said, hey, you got to you got to make
this movie because this was Brandon's like movie.

(31:40):
He he wanted this movie to happen.
I know James O Barr. Actually all the money he made
from this movie he actually donated to charity because he.
Like he didn't want anything to do with it because he, no, I get
that. I don't want to place blame or
or or denigrate any particular person.
I don't know who's at fault. I don't want to say James O Barr

(32:05):
or Alex Proyus is, is the problem.
I don't know. I, you know, I wasn't on set.
I'm just sitting, you know, somebody should have been held
accountable, even if it was the whole system something.
Yeah. Somewhere along the way.
Well, for sure. And like, yeah, and you were
talking about rust and not to keep on this, but rust, like,
that shouldn't have happened either, you know?

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And that was almost 30 years after the crow incident.
So like, we're not learning anything.
What I would hope is they would 100% learn from the crow
incident and like that would never happen again.
But here we are. What I do want to talk about cuz
we talked about like, you know, revenge and vengeance and this
is a dark movie. One of the things I love though

(32:49):
is Eric Draven. He kind of has a fun side to
him. A whole jolly, close, jolly
pirate nickname, does he not? Like there's a little clown type
of, I don't know. Yeah, and he was always playful
during, like, when he was alive,too.
And you see that in the flashbacks.

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You know, that part of them is still there.
And I like that. It brings some like levity to
the movie. The cops are all pointing their
guns at him and they're like don't fucking move.
And he does a little dance off. The screen little jig, he'll do
a little jig. Thank.
You I didn't notice that until this watch.
I've seen this movie so many times.

(33:32):
I didn't realize that he does a little jig.
He doesn't just run away, he does a little jig.
Yeah, I mean, there's there's somany of those scenes though in
this where like we don't see it too much with the Tin Tin kill.
But when he goes to Gideon shop,he's like fucking around with
him and right. You know, some of these were
just classic scenes. I love when he, like gets shot

(33:55):
and and Gideon thinks he's like killed them and he just like the
hole just fucking closes up and you can see a little drooling.
Yeah, yeah. I love that little detail.
And he's just like fuck me. Fuck.
But one point he's like Jesus Christ in a taxi cab.

(34:17):
That cracks me up. I love him, reminds me of Danny
DeVito. Yeah, a little bit, yeah.
He is married. Danny DeVito a little bit like.
Yeah, you know. Like he says he's going to keep
him alive so he can tell him death is is coming for him.
But I love when he goes to like the bar and he's, he's just a

(34:39):
mess. He's like, no one's asking me
how you know what's going to happen.
Holy shit, man. Yeah.
He's just flipping his shit asking for whiskey.
That's not enough. Poor Morton.
Poor yourself you fucking asshole.
In the book right T Bird was supposed to be the big bad like

(35:00):
he was the high villain. But this one, this movie gives
us top. Dollar and his sister.
Yeah. One of the most important things
I learned from my sister. Sister.
She's supposed to be your sister.
And his sister? What did you think of that part?
Did you like them? That was weird.
Yeah, what? You don't see the resemblance

(35:23):
matter. You don't see the resemblance?
Not really. Really, Top Dollar and Micah, I
think her name is, they are amazing villains.
Like, they are just so dark. It just evil for the sake of
being evil. You know, they're having fun
being evil. And like, yeah, it's all done

(35:44):
for profit. But you kind of think they might
do it for free if that was if that, if there was no profit to
be made. They're charismatic.
You love to hate them. Top Dollar has great lines all
over the place. Hey, let me do an impression for
you. Bang.
Fuck I'm dead. Fuck, I'm dead.

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The summary of the movie. It's just him that's lines like
that throughout the whole the whole thing.
They're just a joy to watch. I think they're amazing
villains. Like she's like super gorgeous,
but like deadly. She's like the that perfect
combination. You like that?

(36:28):
That's your favorite? Yeah, no, I I I understand
though she is hot as hell and also terrifying.
Like I do not want her to take my eyeball.
I. Love her eyes, pretty.
But like I. Might risk it.
You know. Is that real eyeball?

(36:48):
No. What's with her music balls?
She has a line about it in theresomewhere.
The thing about the soul or. Something.
Yeah, yeah. Joe, what'd you think of Top
Dollar? I mean, they're cool.
I I like everything that you guys said about them being evil
for being evil. Like, they're good at it.
It's fun for them. I wonder if they're actually
like half siblings. Look, I I actually believe they

(37:08):
are. I feel like they are that weird.
Probably. Yeah, actually.
Yeah, I think, he said. He's his father's daughter,
right? Father's daughter.
That's being that. Is those words his words?
Yeah. So that's like stepped
territory. So you know I.
Live your dreams. It's step territory because step
siblings aren't actually blood related at all.

(37:29):
Half sister, that's definitely. That's worse.
Much worse, yeah. If they were cool, my favorite
characters though I think were Sarah and the officer and I like
yes. I loved his interactions with
Eric Draven. Like how he got spooked all the
time and. Never do that.

(37:52):
Man, you have this like fun little cute relationship and
Sarah too, like I like that Ericand Shelly took care of her and
I don't know, it's just a reallysad situation.
So I really like Sarah characterand they're the two that really
shine for me. It's funny because like this
movie, even though it is kind ofcentered around Air Draven in
his revenge story, does have like really good side characters

(38:16):
like you said. First time I saw this movie,
Sarah was like the definition ofcool.
Like, she was super cool, you know, running around calling
people. Butt face.
Yes. Laura Dickhead.
Yeah. Skateboarder in the city, Yeah.
Getting dinner from cops? You hungry?
You Vine, I'm. Vine, no.

(38:37):
Onions. OK.
No onions, they make you fart big time.
Onions make you fart. Yeah, that hot dog.
Every time I watch that scene, Iwant a hot dog really bad.
Yeah. Like do you guys feel that way
the way they loaded up with likeonions?
Especially when Officer Albright's like, no, no, he's
like, let me see. Let me do it.

(38:57):
Let me do. It this guy's like, cheap?
What I feel bad though is like Sarah's mom is just not good.
Some food, huh? Somebody already bought me
dinner. The police.
That's another tough thing to watch too, is like how these
people are affected in other ways.
It's a little bit realistic too,though, because her mom does.

(39:18):
Darla does decide to turn aroundafter Eric scares her, so she's
trying her best and still like she's so like, out of touch with
her daughter. I.
Come up or over, I can't remember.
What are you doing? And then you see they kind of
like butt heads. And then you see Darla get upset

(39:39):
and then Sarah's like, no, no, no, it's fine.
And you can see like there's hope for them having a good
relationship perhaps down the line.
Although that's a little unrealistic, the way that went
down, Darla, you got to work a little harder, you know what I
mean? You've been fucking up for a
long time. This this little breakfast
thing? Yeah, She you got to work a

(40:00):
little harder. It's cute.
But I yeah, no, I'm not complaining about it, you know?
No, I get it, She's a shit mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's she's a shit mom too. Yeah, I was never good at this
mommy's shit. I never worked too good at this
mommy's. Shit over easy.
I'll tell you what though, goingfrom like getting fucked up with

(40:21):
your like boyfriend fun boy there to some dude and this goth
get up and basically, you know, kills fun boy in front of you
and takes heroin out of your your fucking arm and stuff.
Morphine is bad for you. Like that stuff might.
It might make you change real quick.

(40:43):
Funboy's death was like, particularly cruel too.
Like forcing him to overdose it's like.
I hated him too, so I was glad to see it.
Oh yeah, I'm not complaining about that.
I mean, Shelly's death was much more cruel than that.
I'm just saying that that's that's rough.
That's a rough one. I love like when Funboy shoots

(41:05):
him and he's like woo and they're watching like the whole
clothes in his hand. Yeah, yeah.
Eric forces him to shoot himselfin the leg, right?
Yeah, and he's like dancing around like, oh God, my leg and.

(41:26):
Then he passes out, and then Eric drags him to the bathtub to
wake him up because he's like, no, I want.
You to not fucking be. Awake, right?
That's what that guy deserved. You know, he's.
Oh yeah, that dude sucked. He was a bad guy, yeah.
I almost felt bad, almost felt bad for Skank.

(41:49):
I was going to say Skank. OK, because I knew him that was
coming for some reason I needed to predict what who you were
going to talk about because likeI kind of get it, but go on.
Sorry no he just seems I don't know how to say this PC like not
on the level mentally. The dude's dumb.
He he, he was, he was easily LEDbecause he's really, really

(42:11):
dumb. Yeah, I get feeling bad for him
a little bit. He still did what he did so.
One of the most underrated scenes is when Skank gets hit by
the car, the. Fuck's the matter with you
stupid ass hair, you hit my car.And the guy gets out of the car

(42:32):
and goes, you hit my car. Like what?
Forgot about that. Oh man, Skank's Jelly.
I like Skank to be. Honest, you do.
Well, I mean, as evil as he is, he's also hilarious.
Like when Eric Draven picks him up, he's like, skank, skank,

(42:55):
Skank right there. Skank dead.
That's right, Skank's dead. That's right.
That's right. That whole interaction was
hilarious. Like I'm laughing at him saying
that skank's dead, and then I'm laughing at the response.
The other funny scene is when he's recanting his experience to

(43:17):
top dollar. He's all painted up white like
some kind of dead whore. I've seen him.
He's on the end for some real beard, right?
And he took him away, but I teased him down.
We ought to just videotape this,play it back in slow motion.
He goes, why don't we just videotape like.
He's just going mile a minute and then this happened and then

(43:38):
this happened and then that. I feel like a little fucking
worm on a big fucking hook. That scene where they're in
that, the big table right there,that room, if you look online, I
mean, not to say anything, but The Dark Knight kind of
recreates this scene. Oh yeah.
Very similarly, I just love how Eric Draven walks into that

(44:02):
meeting hall there with all these bad guys, right?
It's basically like, fuck you all.
I was badass and then got shot up.
Like, I mean, there's so much shooting in this scene.
It's it's like 12 guys all with automatic weapons aiming them at
Eric Draven. And it's a great scene.
It's badass as hell. Yeah, you want badass?
This is badass. I got to agree with Jill though.

(44:24):
First off, where he kills T birdand he lights his logo up.
I mean, this is my favorite shotof the whole movie and I think
one of the best shots in movies.I think it's awesome.
One of my favorite shots is I'm Eric Draven standing by the
window. Like that loft window, The
circular window I feel like is really iconic, just like the

(44:46):
architecture of it really workedwith everything.
It's cool that you brought that up.
This was one of the scenes that they used brand new technology
for that had never been done before in a movie.
The facial. Oh, right, right.
Yeah. Because.
It is CGI face basically. Yeah, it is Brandon Lee's stunt

(45:10):
double, Chad Stalinski that is in that scene.
And what they used is they used footage that they had shot but
didn't use for the movie of Brandon Lee's face, and they put
it on top of him. What's cool about Chad Stalinski
is he went on to direct John Wick.
He's like pretty big director now.
But he he will always have thesescenes because he came in for

(45:33):
Brandon Lee. He trained with him.
They're really good friends, andit's really cool like that he
got to portray these seasons forBrandon.
The one I always feel bad about that Brandon didn't get to do
himself was the makeup scene. Really.
Yeah, Yeah. That one always sticks out to me

(45:54):
as like a sore subject. Like when I I don't know, I
always feel bad when I start seeing him put on the makeup
because I'm like. And I wanted that for Brandon.
Yeah, it's a transformation. It's a big thing.
Yeah, exactly. They came up with a cool shot of
how they showed it with the mirror and like being cracked
and you can kind of see the paint going on little by little.

(46:17):
I can't argue. With the fact that it's not him
in that, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't have known.
I didn't know either. That's the big one that that
bothers me because the Windows scene doesn't bother me because
I love how it looks, you know, beautifully.
Shot, it's a yeah, great. Shot right and like you said,
that windows iconic just the wayit looks the Gothic
architecture. The ending for me gets a little

(46:38):
bogged down and this is one of my my biggest problems with the
movie. You know, he kills skank.
It's like, OK, I'm, I guess I'm gonna go back to being dead now.
I've done my my work. And then just kind of out of the
blue, Sarah's kidnapped and there's this big fight scene at

(46:59):
the end. I think I felt like even though
Top Dollar was cool and everything, he felt disconnected
from. The actual gang members.
Yeah. But he was supposed to because
he's like the big boss, you know?
I don't know what the disconnectis at the ending for me, but it
just feels. Is it too much all at once for
you? Like you feel like it's a rushed
kind of climax and then it just ends or.

(47:21):
It feels like there's really nothing to get us to that big
scene at the end. It just feels kind of like
stumbling into the big scene because like you have Brandon
who's or you have Eric Draven, who's just on his grave and just
by happenstance, they like pick Sarah out of the graveyard and
kidnap her as a trap. I mean, I kind of felt like they

(47:43):
knew that he was going to go back to his grave and that, I
don't know. I mean, did they know who Sarah
was? Now that I think about it, it's
fine. I don't know.
Just get to the ending, you know, I, I mean, I get what
you're saying, I just never really thought about it too
deeply. This is the part of the movie
just that just feels a little disjointed to me.

(48:03):
And then, you know, when we get in the church, we have that
awesome, amazing shot. He swings the doors open and
like we said before, they figureout that, hey, he killed a bird.
He can die like a a normal person.
We get the big climax at the endon the roof.
Ernie Hudson shows up. He's guns blazing out of
nowhere. I do love it.

(48:26):
But it just felt, I don't know, it felt a lot going on.
I did like when they got to the roof and it was top dollar and
Eric Draven mano Y mano. But what do you guys think of
the ending? Nathan what?
What's your thoughts? I I do like the ending, the part
of the ending that's always kindof bothered me a little bit.
It's the part where he takes topdollar by the head and like

(48:48):
gives him all the pain. I have something to give you.
30. Hours of pain.
I feel like the movie should have established that he is able
to give memories and give feelings as well as take them in
before doing that. Because it's just sort of out of

(49:09):
nowhere all of a sudden we're doing this and it's like, OK, I
I didn't know you could do that this whole time.
We were just giving him a power at the very last minute.
I get past it pretty quickly every time I watch it.
Like I know it's and so it doesn't bother me that much, but
it's always just been a little nitpick I've had, but I love
throwing him off the building inthe top dollar landing on that

(49:32):
gargoyle with the the horns coming up through his mouth and
everything and the blood flowingout of that isn't a great.
Beautiful. Blood flowing out of that
gargoyle's mouth. Badass.
It's super badass, yeah. That's a perfect shot right
there. Jill.
What's your thoughts on the ending?
Did it satisfy? Yeah, I like the ending.

(49:53):
I would have been okay with him,just like going back to his
grave when he was putting the flowers there.
But I understand there needed tobe more of a climax and like
resolution there. That's my favorite death
honestly is Top Dollar's death. I love that he gets impaled by
this gargoyle pretty brutally and then the blood is just like
gushing out of the gargoyle. I think that's he deserved it

(50:14):
and it's cool. Yeah.
I also like how Micah gets her eyes bitten out.
Yeah, yeah, Scratch. Appropriate.
Yeah, pretty appropriate. Very ironic.
You know what? We didn't mention the Candy
Man's in this Tony Todd. Tony Todd.
Yeah, Tony. Todd in it.
It's kind of crazy. Great too.

(50:34):
Yeah, he's like kind of the, I guess the main guy be beneath
top dollar, right? Yeah, I'd say he's like the
right hand man, the number one, you know.
It's always cool seeing him on on screen.
I would have thought he would have had more of a bigger part,
but you know, it, it worked for this.
It was a kind of ensemble of villains, Yeah.

(50:58):
He's a delegator. He works in the shadows.
He he just gets things done behind the scenes, delegates
tasks to underlings and stuff like that.
So he's very important, but it doesn't allow for a very big
part in the movie. That's a good point, yeah.
Is there anything else that you want to go over on?
We didn't really talk much aboutT Bird's actual death.

(51:19):
We didn't even quote. You know, there ain't no coming
back, man. There ain't no coming back.
This is the really real 1. There ain't no coming back.
We killed your. Dad, there ain't no there ain't
no coming back. You know I cuz I was.
Really real. World cuz that's a lot of my
like quarter, quarter count. I'm sorry, no, just do that.

(51:40):
No, Cuz like, yeah, I mean, you're right, yeah.
That seems great. And it's also Jerry Horn.
It's a baguette with Brie and butter.
Playing, you know, T Bird. Yeah.
Twin Peaks. All right.
Well, I mean, the actors. I don't remember the actor's
name, but the character's name in Twin Peaks is Jerry Horn.

(52:02):
David Patrick Kelly. Just a little Twin Peaks.
Connection there he is really good.
It's funny because like when he's about to die, you can see
all like a million different things emotion wise going
through his mind and like the way he's talking and everything.
Like I thought it was done to bird perfect.

(52:22):
He's really good. I almost wish we got more T
bird. I could have done with more.
He's a great character. He's very intimidating and very
scary. I liked him too in that bar
scene where they're all fucking about to go after each other.
He's like, who wants to bet thatthis gun isn't loaded?
Would you, Motor City motherfuckers, wants to bet me

(52:42):
this one. Hey, fire it up, fire it up,
fire and they all just stop and go fire it up.
It's time for 1/4 kill. We're gonna give you our
favorite quote in the movie or our favorite kill in the movie,
or both. Yeah, this is all my T bird
stuff because I got T bird for my favorite kill.

(53:04):
I also have T bird, it's my favorite kill by the way.
Awesome. Diggy back off you on that one.
T Bird trying to reason with Eric Draven.
He won, man money, drugs. I got it.
You want money business. Is it personal?
We can we can work this out. Eric Draven's not talking the
whole time, which I think is awesome.

(53:24):
What is it? What Speak to me speak.
I love how, and Nathan, we've talked about this before, how he
tapes them up to the the seat. He can't move at all, pretty
much. No, no.
And he's just talking the whole time.
He's getting taped up too, and it's just like.
Yapper. Yeah, It's like, yeah, he's

(53:46):
trying so hard to survive this and it's just nothing he does is
going to work. And this gets me into my line
because, and I'll kind of combine him here is the
realization when he knows who Eric Draven is.
Finally, I knew. I knew you.
I knew, I knew. You ain't.

(54:06):
You because there ain't no coming back.
This is the really real world. There ain't.
There ain't no coming back. There ain't.
No coming back. Then he gets the what was that,
a grenade? It's an explosive of some kind.
I don't know. Right on his Dick.
Yeah, he's sent off, but he has that little prayer too.

(54:27):
He does. Like what?
I don't know what it was. It's like a prayer to the devil
or something. Yeah, he says it at the during
the scene where they kill Shelley and and Eric as well.
So. Yes, I just love to how the car
explodes before it goes in the water.

(54:49):
So, you know, like he felt all that.
Yeah, yeah, percent. I mean, there's a million,
million, million lines in this victims, aren't we all during
all the time? I mean, I felt like what this is
like. It's almost like Diablo Cody is
writing in a way where she's created her own world of very

(55:10):
quotable lines and things like that.
Because just the way they talk in this movie, there's so many
quotable lines. That's it for me.
How about you, Joe? Already said my favorite kill
which was top dollar. I have three quotes that I liked
though. Obviously it can't rain all the
time. Is I?
Wish the rain was out just once.It can't rain all the time.

(55:31):
I thought it was so inspirational when I was like
13. Yeah, we all did.
Yeah, exactly. Some of us still.
Do. Oh yeah, Some of us.
Some of us. I don't know, it's it's it's not
that inspirational, but I love it being what it is.
And yeah, not apologizing for itself.

(55:52):
I. Think it's great like I'm butt
and you can take it or leave it.Right.
People who know, know. Yeah, exactly.
I think my favorite quote thoughis.
Buildings burn, people die, but real love is forever.
Real love is forever. I think it perfectly captures
like the whole theme of the movie.
Oh, and my shirt has my line. It can't rain all the time that

(56:17):
way. You just need Nathan to have
like bear claws say something onhis shirt.
I love the crow. Like that and one more line.
Today when I was watching it, this made me cry.
Today when I was watching it, when Eric goes.
Little things used to mean so much to Shelly.
I used to think they were kind of trivial.

(56:39):
Believe me, nothing is trivial. Believe me, nothing is trivial.
I was just like, man, that's so true.
That one's legitimately deep, yeah.
Did you say your favorite quote,Nathan?
No, not yet. No, you go ahead.
Favorite kill? We've already gone over it.
It's the same as Kevin's T Bird.My favorite line is he's talking

(57:00):
to Officer Albrecht and he's talking about the gang and he
says they're all dead, they justdon't know it yet.
They just don't know it yet, which I think is the most badass
thing he says in the movie. I think the badassness of this
movie is it's the most importantpart of it.
You're still wearing your hat. You still have your hat on, no?

(57:24):
All right, you know what I just picked up on this watch?
When he's in Ernie Hudson's apartment, Officer Albright's
like are. You some kind of ghost?
Boo. And I was thinking that was a
little poke at the Ghostbusters with Ernie Hudson.
Well, maybe I'm reading. Maybe.

(57:44):
I thought he was going to say something derogatory, but we can
just skim over that. It's time for our letterbox
rating. We're going to rate this movie
from one to five stars. 5 is the1994 crow.
One is the 2024 Crow Nathan. Start us off on this one.

(58:08):
Yeah, I'm, I'm going to give this movie 4 stars.
I, I, I love this movie quite a bit.
It doesn't have quite the same impact on me now as it did when
I was a teenager. There's little things I pick
apart here and there, but it's still just so much fun.
Yeah, four stars. Yeah, So the last time I watched
this and the last time that I logged this on Letterbox, I

(58:31):
think it was like a year ago, maybe two years ago, not sure,
but I gave it four stars. But after this rewatch, I'm
gonna change that to fuck it. I'm gonna give it five stars
because it has stood the test oftime for me.
I don't think it needed a rebootat all.
It still looks great, sounds great.
The story is perfect. Brandon Lee is an icon.

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We really lost him too soon. He's just amazing at what he
does. And I think Eric Draven is so
dreamy like I I've always had a big crush on him, but he is just
like he's what women want OK, he's hot, he's wearing makeup,
he's a musician and he has this like tender loving side to him.
He's kind of goofy with Shelly, but also he'll like burn down

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the world for her. So that's that's all girls want.
So he's perfect. Yep.
Easy. And and I love the love story of
it too. Like, yeah, it really is a love
story to its core. And that is just like with time,
I think I've realized that this is this is a 5 star movie for
me. What about you, Kevin?

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Like I said before this, this isone of my favorite movies of all
time. It's definitely five stars for
me, something I've always thought about with this movie,
right? Would this movie still be iconic
and talked about the way it is if everything didn't happen with
Brandon on this movie like it did?
Yeah. I think so.
Yeah, I I agree. Like for me, I think it they

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would have because regardless, his performance is iconic.
This movie, like you said, is a love story, but it's so much
more. And we talked about like how it
combines different movies and the imagery and the music.
And I think everything that comes together for this movie is
like perfect. And it's hard to duplicate what

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this movie is. Because it is a very fantasy
driven movie and like Nathan said, it doesn't apologize for
it. It's like this is what we are.
This is what this movie is. But I think it's a real love
story of everything that came together to make this movie.
It might be one of the most cursed movies of all time, but I

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think, you know, what it turned out to be was kind of something
unique and something iconic thatI think will stand the test of
time forever because it is that good.
This is 1 and that, man, I couldwatch over and over and over
again and like, I don't know, itjust goes by so quick every time
I watch it. Yeah, too quick.

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Bear Claw's gonna hate this. No wait, I love the.
Crow. Does he actually say that?
No, no, I I splice the I splice.He actually said I love this
movie about Mandy. And then later in the episode,
he said the crow. Nathan what?
Diabolically. I'm glad you did that though

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instead of like using AI so goodjob.
Unlike Bear Claw, I am super happy that I was able to grow up
with this movie. It was like a perfect time to
watch it as a kid and now are appreciating it that much more
as an adult. So before we end the episode, we
want to let you all know what we've been up to.
I just finished the Ed Gein Showby Ryan Murphy, the monster

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series there on Netflix. It was relatively pretty good.
I gave it four stars on Letterbox.
I'm not a huge fan of like serial killer stuff, but this
was very exaggerated obviously. It's kind of like meant to be a
little bit more of a drama dramatization of everything.

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I like Charlie Hunnam. He is one of my favorite actors.
I loved him in Sons of Anarchy and seeing him as Ed Gein was a
trip. He brought it.
I don't know. It was a, it was a different
role. Sinful cold cuts Jezebel.
This has spawned so many memes. Like every time I go on TikTok

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it's just like people like impersonating him and they have
like their dog and like a mask, like a leather mask or
something. So that's why I'm not getting
it. It's on TikTok.
It's TikTok stuff. Yeah.
It was like sinful cold cuts. What are you fucking talking?
About just just give it like a month and then you'll start
seeing it on Instagram probably.I barely am on Instagram either.

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When's when's it going to hit YouTube?
Yeah, there's, there's a lot of memorable scenes, a lot of
definitely tick tockable scenes,I guess, as they say.
Yeah, I'm only on. I just finished episode 2.
My favorite parts of the show are actually how they tie it to
the movies that Ed Gein spawned with Texas Chainsaw Massacre,

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Psycho, Silent Slams. Yeah.
Kind of hate that actually. You do see I really like.
They're making Alfred Hitchcock look like a creep.
I'm like, this is so disrespectful.
Like like what they're doing though is like, not like.
A lot of it is exaggerator, not based in truth.
Alfred Hitchcock was a creep though.
But like to the extent. He was a bad guy.

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I love his movies, but he was a he was a bad guy.
There's a scene in the Birds where this chick is getting bit
by the birds. The way he did that was buying,
tying birds to her and then making them angry and then
throwing the matter. Okay, that's fucked up, but I
don't know Kevin, do you know I'm talking about?
Yeah, I, I know what you're talking about.
I know that. I know some of the scenes you're

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talking about directly. I don't think in like that
sense, like I like that stuff, but I really liked how I think
they portrayed the tie insuranceand not not just the psycho
thing, but I do like talking about the the effects psycho
had, especially on horror and because I don't think that gets
talked about enough at all. So I I do like that they brought

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that up in this, but I really love the Texas chainsaw stuff
because this looked like right out of that movie, like the
recreation. And that gets me excited because
you know, a lot of these big IPSlike Halloween and Texas
Chainsaw, Jason and I would be down to see these kind of not

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recreations, but time capsule like put it set in these times
because you've showed us in thisshow you can do it really well.
So obviously I don't want a recreation, but do something
that's set in that time. So that's what I enjoyed on
those. The last thing I watched was
movie called The Houses that October.

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Built. You never heard of this one?
It's kind of a found footage movie, which I'm not usually a
huge fan of. It's basically about these group
of friends that go in an RV and try to go to like all these
scary haunted houses and they want to go to the Super scary
one that you know, could be real, is supposed to be the

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best. Throughout their journey, creepy
stuff happens to them, and at the end they get to the the
spooky haunted house and it kindof leaves viewers with a
question of what's real and whatisn't.
For me, it didn't really work well.
I gave it. I gave it 1 1/2 stars.

(01:05:48):
OK, yeah. It was disappointing because I
see what they were trying to do,but I don't think they executed
it. The found footage stuff after
like an hour and a half just gets like my eyes they're
hurting. Yeah, found footage, it's so
hard to do right because it's, it's a really rough limitation
if you want to work within it. And if you cheat, I get mad at

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you. So you know what I'm saying?
Like, so I, I think a lot of movies that are found footage
probably would have been better had they not gone with it being
found footage. But then again, it's also an
excuse to make your movie look really cheap and use bad camera
equipment that you happen to have.
So I you know. Whatever.

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Yeah. And you know, and I think that
goes to this movie too, because I don't think they had a big
budget or anything like that. They did use a lot of real like
haunted house footage and stuff like that to make their movie.
So I get it, you're trying to make a movie, but Just For Me
wasn't my favorite. I probably don't recommend it.
Jill, how about you? Speaking of found footage, I

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think you talked about VHS Halloween on the last episode.
So I finally sat down and like watched it.
Rowan and I filmed filmed, recorded and out playing episode
on VHS Halloween. We like ranked our favorite
segments and everything. So that was really fun.
So if you want to hear more about that you can go listen to
that episode. We also did Strangers Chapter 2

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which was fucking terrible. Don't go watch it.
It's the first one was bad too. I watched that recently.
There was a CGI bore. I don't know if that's like a
spoiler or not, but there is no need.
I don't know anything about a bore in this movie, so it's
definitely not a spoiler. It's it's a, it's a surprise,
I'll say that. It's like they tried to be the

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revenant in the in the middle ofthe movie.
Right, recreate the bear scene there.
Exactly with a bore. And then also for its latest
podcast, we just recorded our annual Halloween episode.
We covered Halloween H2O had a nice discussion about that.
If you want to hear about it, you can go listen to that
episode. And last night actually, I was

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watching YouTube. I think it's a channel called
Horrors, Haunted Hallowed Grounds or something like that
with Sean Clark, Something alongthose lines.
Yes, yes. Do you know what I'm talking
about? Yeah, Sean Clark's big with that
stuff. Yep.
Yes, so I watched the episode onHalloween H2O.
It's also where they filmed the last part of I think Scream

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Three. Scream 3.
Yep, and that was really cool actually to watch like the exact
same places they filmed in. You know what?
You'll not to cut you off. No, no, I've watched this this
same one from Sean Clark and he actually had Chris Duran with
him too. Who plays Michael Myers?
And Michael Myers, yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah. So it's cool to get his
perspective on things and. He remembers everything.

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He does, and he goes into the mask debacle, which it is one of
my sticking points for H2O. So I was actually going to bring
this up earlier during the episode, but you mentioned like
the kind of CGI like face, digital face thing with Eric
Draven. Do you think that's like the
same technology they use for themasks in Halloween?

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H2O possibly in Was it 98 The thing about.
That, though, is in the Eric Draven scene.
It's all so in shadow and it's it's, I don't know it.
It's like how Spielberg hid how primitive CGI was during
Jurassic Park by filming it correctly.

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Whereas in H2O it's just like bright and in your face and
you're like ah, CGI mask. Yeah, it's, it's terrible.
And like you said, though, it's in 98, even though, like, Eric
Draven's face is in shadow, still, it looks 10 times better
than, yeah, pretty bad, you know?
Rapid fire. I also went to the drive in and

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watched Halloween Three Season of the Witch.
We covered that before. It's cool to see it at the drive
in. That's awesome, yeah.
It was it was the last I think visit to the drive in for this
season for me. So I feel like that's a good one
to end off of for that. And lastly, I watched Candyman
for the first time in my life and I absolutely loved it.
I need to watch the new one soon.

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I. Like the new one better.
Oh, really? Yeah.
I, I that's a very controversialopinion, Is it?
As far as I know, I I know it's not controversial among with
Kevin because he agrees with me.But online I noticed that I am
very much in the minority on that.
One caught some heat. No I I just read things on

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Reddit. I didn't respond to them, but if
I said that I would have caught some heat I think.
Some massive heat. What about you?
We've been up to. Yeah, We've been up to what am I
doing? Yeah.
What? About besides saying candy man
in the mirror, what did I? Do that, I would say candy man
in the mirror. Jill, now that you've seen

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candy, now that you've seen Candy Man for the first time,
you have to say it in the mirrorfive times.
Hell no. This is something I talked about
when I in the episode where I mentioned this.
When we were kids, I remember being like grade four or five in
the elementary school girls bathroom and girls would be in
there all the time turning off the lights and being in the
mirror and saying either Candyman or Bloody Mary.

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Like 3 * 1 time. I was in like a stall like
peeing pants down and everythingand these girls turned off the
lights and did that and ran out.So I get up, I I still have my
pants down. I'm like scared as shit dude.
I'm like so fucking scared and Irun to go turn the light on and
they all laugh. At me.
Oh. No fucking trauma.

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No. Since you told that story, you
have to watch the new one now cuz there's a very cathartic
scene in the new one. Not with, not any.
Spoiler Yeah OK to my situation or.
To your almost exact situation. No, stop it.
Gotta watch it ASAP. Sorry.
Go ahead, Nathan. I've only got one movie.

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It's a movie called Cure, came out in 1997.
It's a Japanese sort of. It's filed under horror, and I
would say there's a horror movie, but it's kind of also a
police procedural. It's directed by Kiyoshi
Kurosawa, who apparently is rather legendary in the Japanese

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horror sphere, I guess. And it's very much in the vein
of a movie like Seven or Silenceof the Lambs.
This detective is investigating a series of crimes where the
murderer is still at the scene and they've committed the

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murder, but they don't remember doing it, or they don't remember
why they did it. I don't want to spoil how that
turns out, but there is a very, very effective and scary big bad
guy responsible for all of this.It's great.
I highly recommend it. I gave it 4 1/2 stars on my

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letterboxed. It's I saw it on the Criterion
channel. I don't know if it's streaming
anywhere else. Not everything that's on the
Criterion Channel is exclusive to it, but I yeah, highly
recommend it. If you have any love for movies
like 7 or Silence of the Lambs, that kind kind of horror, but

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also police procedural investigating movie, it's a
really good one. That's awesome, Nathan.
You got to, you got to watch Long legs, man.
Yeah, that's that's in the same vein as those movies too, isn't
it? Yeah, I think he would like,
but. It's got a supernatural twist

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though, where it's neither 7 norSilence of the Lambs do right.
I'm not gonna. Yeah, it's an odd one.
It's it's weird. It's weird.
It's weird it's gotten a cage. Yeah, I know.
It's got the. Weirdness I've.
Watched it already just because of that he.
He based the long legs like likecharacter on his mom or

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something. Did you like that?
That's what he said, yeah. Oh, that sounds like something
Nick Cage would do for sure. Well, if you're interested in
seeing what we rate any movie, we have our letterbox links down
below in the description. Also, we have Jill's good read
links down in the description aswell, so see what she's reading.

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We'll be back soon with another episode, and we're going to be
doing Nathan's pick The Happening, our first M Night
Shyamalan movie. Yeah, not the blackening, right?
Yeah, I just watched that one. Yeah, I just watched that.
I've never heard of that. I'll tell you about it in a
second. Go ahead.

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We hope you all had a Happy Halloween, it can't rain all the
time. Back to the pattern room with
you.