September 20, 2024 • 54 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello and welcome to MovieRx, where I prescribe
entertainment, one movie at atime.
I'm your host, Dr Benjamin, adoctor in the same way as Dr
Laura.
I can scream at you all day,but in the end I'm still not a
psychologist.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
She's a doctor, just not that kind of doctor, she's
not a psychologist, though.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I mean, that's what she bills herself as, but that's
not what kind of doctor she isand that's not what kind of
doctor she is, and that's notwhat kind of doctor I am.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm not a doctor in any way, but I give good advice.
I could be Dr Laura.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
See, that's what I'm talking about.
So, as you can hear, today instudio, uh, I have, uh I have a
a special guest in here, the oneof the two hosts of the
Roundtable Mindset, my sister,my much older sister, Jamie.
Welcome, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Slightly older.
I mean much older, when we werelike five and ten.
But come on now.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, of course know, thanks for having me.
Yeah, of course.
So, uh, this movie was foundafter scrolling for 13 hours
through netflix pages.
Uh, when you're in a show hole,yeah, yeah, I found uh, jen
found it actually please tell meyou weren't doing 13 hours
straight well, that's kind ofhow it feels.
Like I mean trying to scrollthrough netflix after you're
(01:42):
done with a show or somethingyou're like.
So what do I watch now?
And then you, then you prettymuch spend about the amount of
time that you would watchingsomething.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I do hate just scrolling through.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, it sucks so.
So, scrolling for what feltlike 13 hours through Netflix,
jen found it, yes, she actually.
Basically, we're talking abouthow awesome adam driver is, and
then she was like, oh, look,adam driver.
And uh, so yeah, uh, we were ina show hole.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
and adam driver bursts into action you do know
that there is like a featurewhere you can type in an actor
and it will give you right,right.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, we didn't, we weren't thinking about that, we
were just scrolling and thenbullshitting at the same time.
That's how we spend quality timetogether scrolling and
bullshitting sounds like a lotof quality yes, yes, lots of
quality time that way, um, but,uh, this, uh, this adam driver
movie brings a sci-fi adventureright to your living room.
(02:44):
We're talking about 65 today.
Basic info on this movie it's aNetflix original released in
2023.
Written and directed by ScottBeck and Brian Woods.
Stars Adam Driver, arianaGreenblatt and Chloe Coleman.
The IMDB description this isJamie's thing.
(03:08):
An astronaut crash, lands on amysterious planet, only to
discover he's not alone.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's like, not a description.
I have figured it out, ben.
I want you to know I havethought about this long and hard
, especially when I listen toyour episodes that I'm not in
and you mention how much I'mgonna hate this description or
like this description.
Um, I have decided.
These aren't subs likedescriptions.
These are like subtitles.
There's the title and then thesubtitle.
(03:35):
This is like the subtitle.
It's not a description okay somaybe you should start
rebranding it that way.
Maybe IMDb will follow suit.
The IMDb subtitle to this movieis?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Some of them aren't so bad, though, Like there have
been a couple of them thatweren't so bad.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
When you can get more information on the back of a
book sleeve.
It's not a description.
Well, I guess, that's just mythought.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But still, I don't know, this one, this one's not
great, um, but I'm I'm prettysure.
I'm just going to make surethat all of them that we do are
ones that have really bad ones,just so that I can you know, get
you all riled up and I'll betalking about it for weeks.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's not hard to do.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So initial movie impression cinematography
surprised me, as it does all thetime with Netflix originals,
and when you really think aboutit, like how great is Netflix
quality as far as theircinematography lighting and all
of that stuff, like I mean theyreally do do a great job.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Even special effects Like it.
It is kind of amazing.
Yeah, and that stuff has justgotten cheaper, so Netflix can
do it easier.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I think what it is is that I think that people are
just.
I think that more, morehomegrown special effects people
are just being given anopportunity because, like it
used to be that there were.
You know that there were like150 special effects people in
Hollywood and everybody had tofight for their time and there
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were a few innovators and thingslike that.
But now, with computers andcomputer power and everything
being so available and specialeffects programming and things
like that being more available,I mean I have everything I need
to do, all of the things thatare in this movie.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, let's not even I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
If we want to go down a social rabbit hole, I suppose
you could probably do a lot ofthat crap with ai anymore too
well, yeah, I wouldn't trust itthough, because then you know, I
mean, if we're being honest,you might end up with a dinosaur
, dinosaur with like some kindof male appendage coming out of
its forehead, um, which wouldn'tbe good for for net.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Ooh alien dinosaur with a mega hat.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Alien dinosaur with a Make America Great Again hat.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We already had one.
I'm just.
I'm just woo.
That's encroaching on politicalstuff here.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It's kind of been a political week for me, so yeah
yeah, well, I mean, that is kindof kind of your skis when it
comes to podcasting.
So well, yeah um, now let's seehere, uh, I mean and again back
to the, you know the thing thatwe were talking about, the, the
kind of the initial impressionwith this, the lighting and all
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that stuff, I mean it's, it'sgreat because Netflix is doing a
really great job and killing itin that way, um, but uh, but I
mean what, what I think wasreally cool about this movie for
me was that the acting wasshouldered by two performers it
was Mills and Koa and and they,they really carried the brunt of
(07:04):
the uh, of the acting in thismovie and I think they did
fantastic.
If I'm going to be honest, thefirst time I watched it it was
just kind of a popcorn movie,what dad calls a popcorn movie,
just a movie that you sit downand eat popcorn and watch.
Yeah, when you're done, you'redone.
Um, but uh, but I don't knowthere's there's a little bit
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more to it, I guess.
Um, for me anyway, um, what was, what was kind of your general
feeling on on the technicalaspects of this, of this movie?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, you know it did , so I can't remember what that
movie.
What was that movie?
We did with the caller?
It wasake gyllenhaal uh theguilty the guilty.
It kind of had an air of thatfor me um just because of the
it's super limited cast.
Um, you know the focus on thetwo characters for the bulk of
the movie and I guess seeingthat it was released in 2023
(07:59):
makes me wonder was this filmed?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
it was filmed in 2020 and 2021.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, seriously, like I, I I called that cause I was
like I bet that just had such asimilar feel, um, I mean, whole
different movie, whole differentscenario and everything but it.
It had that very.
I think that made made it feelmore up close and personal, like
in your face, um, you know, I,I don't know, don't know that I
(08:25):
the only word I can think of todescribe it was intimate, like I
just felt like it was rightthere.
But otherwise I think, yeah,netflix has done a pretty
incredible job for me.
I don't know if this is one Iwould watch a second time, like
it was good.
It was good.
That popcorn, popcorn moviekind of described it for me.
There was good stuff andthere's.
You know it's not like youcan't, you can't take the
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lessons out, but but yeah, itwas, it was good.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Usually, usually right after the uh, the initial
stuff, I jump into charactersand I mean normally like what
I've been doing is I've beensaying you know, I've, I've been
doing the whole, you know, tellme about one of your favorites.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But there isn't really a whole lot, uh, to
choose from as far as favoritesgo.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So we'll make this short and sweet, so we'll just
kind of we'll just talk about,uh, uh, the ones that that uh
just kind of pop out right away,and that's first off.
Mills, tell me, tell me whatyou think about Mills.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, I Mills, um, I think the entire movie I never
saw him as anything other thanthe dad wanting to get home.
You know what I mean?
Right, that was his characterfor me.
I'm sure he's somewhat of ascientist and an explorer and an
astro.
I mean, he's got some,obviously, skill and and
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education and talent to be ableto do what he's doing.
But, um, but all of that wassecondary, it was like it was
like dad trying to get home.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Right, right from the get go it was like I mean he's,
he's out on this big, longthree year mission.
He's taken away from his familyfor three years and like it to
to an adult.
That that's like it's whatever.
Um, but I mean, when you thinkabout that from a kid's
(10:13):
perspective, that's a 15 yearold to a graduate.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Um, that is a seven year old to a 10 year old, you
know I mean it's like a middleschool to a high schooler.
I mean, yeah, it's it's crazyyeah, it's quite a big chunk of
a kid's life, uh for a dad to begone and he's not happy about
it, but he is happy that whathe's doing is is going to do
(10:40):
good things for for his family,and and that is that is what is
what he's about for a largeportion of the movie.
I think that Koa is is kind ofin a similar thing with, like
what you were talking about,where she's just kind of out
looking for her family, but very, very literally, like I mean,
she, just she she is stuck inthis place with a man that she
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doesn't understand what he'ssaying.
Um, he doesn't, he doesn't haveany ability to convey to her
exactly what's going on, and theonly way that he does is not
honest.
He, he blatantly lies to her toget her to go with him.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
well, thankfully she didn't understand him really so
what did you think of ko?
Well, and we chatted a littlebit before this.
I had a little bit ofmisunderstanding even about her
origin, like I thought she hadbeen on the planet so the whole
time.
I'm like, why is no one talkingabout where the heck this kid
came from, you know?
So I don't know if I just wasanswering a text during that
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first part of the movie or what,but I am.
Yeah, I kind of miss that.
So think, what I take away, Iguess with her was so much that
it was like it was like the hopeof her family being there is
what kept her going, and Iwonder I wonder how hard she
would have fought through someof the things that she fought
through had she not, had she nothad that hope at the end.
(12:06):
You know what I mean, right?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
yeah, yeah, well, and probably down here in the
talking points a little bit.
I mean how much, how much ofher getting there with with that
, you know, that found familyaspect, um in mills, um, you
know, because, like I don't know, they they just had a really a
really great like growing storythrough this whole thing.
(12:33):
It was just kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So, getting into the points of interest, before we go
on, though, I feel like there'sone other character that plays
a big part in the whole thing.
Yeah, yeah.
And that was Mills' daughter.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Naveen.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Because she.
I think what's so interestingabout this and I don't know if
those were like recordedtransmissions along the way but
not only did Mills connect withthat character obviously it's
his daughter but what I thoughtwas really interesting in the
movie was how Koa also connectedwith her, like she was super
(13:14):
interested in her and even atthe end she was part of saving
them.
You know what I mean?
Oh, I mean, and she was kind ofa part of saving them.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Oh, I mean, and and she was kind of a part of saving
mills all throughout the movie.
No, I mean, he crash lands onthis crazy ass planet.
I mean there's nothing good isgoing to happen when, when they
come and pick him up, he's, heis going to be blamed for
everything.
You know, the, the asteroidsand and everybody dying except
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for him.
Like, I mean, that's not goingto feel good for anybody, and he
was, he was really ready tojust be done with it.
Uh, and then he thinks abouthis, then he thinks about Naveen
, right, and and he puts he putsthe gun down.
She would, she had played a part, a part in saving Mills all
throughout the movie, and Idon't know, it almost felt like
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Koa had a lot of, she had a lotof focus on Naveen too, like,
almost like she was trying tolike I think that she knew that
it was his daughter, but I thinkthat she was trying to figure
out why, uh, why all of thesethings were so important and I
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don't know, like maybe maybe shejust saw her as as a potential
friend or something like I don'tknow, kids, kids do tend to
gravitate to each other andthings like that.
But your first point ofinterest was Jurassic Park in
space.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It is.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
There's no fences, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It doesn't matter, it was Jurassic Park in space.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
All of those scenes of like.
I mean even the dinosaurslooked like dinosaurs and they
were aliens of some kind.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But no, they weren't.
They were dinosaurs.
Okay, so this is supposed to.
I think you might've missed thepremise here.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It's very possible.
Like I said, I was respondingto a text or something.
I missed something.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
This is Earth.
These people are from far, far,far away.
This is Earth, and they crashlanded on Earth 65 million years
ago, when dinosaurs were there.
Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
How did I miss that?
Where was that in the movie?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, that's what the 65 is.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I literally I was going to ask you what the hell
is the title mean?
Like I didn't even understand.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah 65 million years ago was was when, when
dinosaurs were, were a thing,that's.
I mean, that's just the generalnumber, that's given it there's
a huge span, but generally theysay 65 million years ago.
That would also be why thelittle girl wasn't from the
planet.
(15:56):
She was in a pod, because therewere two pods that were missing
and he found one and it had Koain it, and so he took it back
and opened it up and checked onher, and then she and then he
left and then she followed him.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, no, I miss that somehow Somehow along the way,
and maybe it's because I missed.
Did I miss a title where itlike said this is Earth?
I don't even know, that's crazy.
Were they going?
They weren't going to Earth,though.
They were on their waysomewhere else.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, they were going to another colony somewhere.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But they ran through an asteroid belt and beat
themselves up and ended uphaving to crash land.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So yeah, Okay, okay, I think I just had this little
light bulb moment.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
The asteroid that came at the very end was the
asteroid that destroyed all thedinosaurs.
Yeah, okay, see, I missed awhole bunch of this movie.
Yeah, to be fair, this is notwhole bunch of this movie.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
To be fair, this is not my type of movie Like this
is not a movie.
I would naturally pick, so Iwas no.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And I'm going to get up on my mic if I'm here for a
second and talk about this.
So I knew Stop it.
I'm up on my mic, Jamie.
This is when I get up on mymicie.
This is this is when I get upon my mic this is when we're
like telling secrets hey is thissecret?
So the reason I picked this wasbecause I knew that there was
(17:35):
no other way you'd watch itunless I did you're so right.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
What a pass right by it but it was a good movie.
Well, okay, so this is so okay.
So it wasn't Jurassic Park inspace, it was Jurassic Park like
the Jurassic period.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right, Actually probably closer to Cretaceous,
but okay.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, no, it's spirit is.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
there is what I'm talking about Okay, so so yeah,
there was this, there was such agood episode for me.
I've learned so much, um so, soyeah you got your Jurassic park
in space talking point you also.
You also put in a lot of thestuff in here that, uh, I'm
(18:21):
guessing you got beaten up byjump scares quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh my gosh.
Well, that and the next one,this nonstop action.
I was exhausted by the time Ifinished watching this movie and
I hate that kind of movie.
Like I need, I need some ebband flow, I need some peaks and
valleys.
And this was like from the wordgo.
I you know, you had the nicetouching 30 seconds in the very
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beginning, and then we're inspace and we're being beat up by
asteroids, and now we havealien dinosaurs chasing us down,
but it's actually justdinosaurs, so yeah but what
about?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
what about the?
Uh?
You know what about the berries?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't.
You're the second person thatsays what about the berries?
I don't even know, like Jen waslike, what about the berries?
I don't know Whatever Well it'sfunny.
Yeah, but you're also hearingdinosaurs in the background who
were going to eat them at anysecond.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
There was no rest.
Well, I mean, there was, therewas eventually.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I guess like hyper vigilant the entire movie I was,
I was, I was having a traumatrigger or something, I don't
know, but it was definitely.
It was fight or flight for me.
The whole movie.
It was terrible, right.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So well and I don't know.
I guess I felt like that therethat they had taken, taken a
couple of breaks every now andagain to kind of help out with
that a little bit, and a lot ofthat, I think, was where a lot
of the development of theirrelationship kind of came in.
Yeah, I mean, with the berriesthing, you know, don't eat, do
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not eat.
You know you put those in yourmouth, they go down to your
stomach and and then how much?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
can I just tell you, do you know how much money we
would save on health care if wehad a little thing that we could
stick something into and say,yes, this is okay for you to eat
, this is not okay, yeah,everything, everything that you
buy at a damn grocery storewould tell you no, though the
thing is is that we wouldn'thave to recall lettuce all the
time oh, that's, very true likeoh, salmonella, never mind I'll
(20:33):
take the next one, thank youfair, I'll pass on the romaine.
Give me the iceberg, it's okayyou know what have you noticed?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
maybe I'm the only one that's noticed, but have you
noticed that, like lettuce,like iceberg lettuce and all of
that, they're just, it's notgreen anymore.
There's no green lettuceanymore.
Like everywhere you go, it'sall, it's almost.
Like everywhere you go,everything that you get for
lettuce is heart lettuce.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You just need to get the oh gosh.
What is it?
Well, there's kale, kale'ssuper green.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Ugh gross.
There's also you, millennial.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I only like it in smoothies.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Gross.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
No, there's like butter.
What is it?
Butter, not squash butter,lettuce butter?
I don't remember.
But no, you get it.
It comes in a plastic packageat our grocery store.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's like perfect sandwich lettuce, it's like
picture perfect sandwich lettuce.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It's waving on the leaves Well, and I don't use it
for sandwiches, but I likesalads and stuff.
I like to get spring mix.
It's got a little bit ofarugula in it and a little bit
of this.
A little bit of that it's.
I don't know.
It's pretty good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I ain't no rabbit, I'm just joking.
I like spring mix.
It's fine, I'm just saying.
You don't often hear that theyrecall iceberg for salmonella.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Usually it's romaine oh, I guess, I guess I don't pay
enough attention to that yeah,plus, if you think about you
know what's interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, this is so off topic, it's not even funny.
But I was reading somewherethat, like in the 50s and 60s,
the only lettuce you could getwas iceberg.
Like they really didn't have avariety of lettuces at the
grocery store like they do nowright I thought that was
interesting and I was thinkingback to when we were kids and it
was probably really justiceberg and mixed like chopped
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lettuce, the pre-cut lettuce,and maybe romaine.
Maybe you could get romaine backthen yeah, I don't know of
course you know people couldalso walk around the grocery
store smoking and had ashtrayson the end of the aisles Right.
I mean it's a whole differentlifetime ago.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
God, I remember.
Do you also remember ashtraysat the ends, by the end caps at
Walmart?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
No, Ben, that might be before my time.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, it wasn't, Even though.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm older than you, no.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I don't remember that .
That was when in uh, whenwalmart is was in the building
that uh, uh, that planet fitnessis in gosh.
That wasn't there for very longafter we moved here, though, no
, but I do remember there beingashtrays on the end caps back in
the day.
Yeah, those were the days thosewere the days when smokers had,
you know, everything but onepart of a plane and half the
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restaurant, one part of a plane.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh man, so funny.
Anyway, berries can be amachine.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, so you know, I mean we've got the berries and
and, uh, there was the.
There was also their stop forwater, uh, when they were, when
they were next to the next tothe river, and he, you know,
told her hey, go up and get itfrom the flat part and
everything.
I mean they, they, they tooklittle timeouts every now and
again, just, and it seemed likeit was just for character
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development between the two.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
They did.
The only thing is that theyalso ruined that, because I
think one of the first ones hewas just like moving himself
along, having a gay old time andthen all of a sudden here comes
a dinosaur trying to eat hisface, and so then every time
after that you're just waitingfor it, like even during those
quiet moments you're just likeit's coming.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Are you talking about when he was looking over the
ledge of the cliff?
Yeah, oh, look at the majesty.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And now look at the teeth in my face.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, it was fantastically.
It was so good that was thefirst one.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
It was the first one.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was suspicious after that, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay, I don't know I I liked the little, the little
bits of of stopping they did forfor development.
Some of the things when they'dlike laugh at each other and
things like that, like himslapping the bug and getting his
hands stuck in on the tree barkand oh what was she?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
what was she saying?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
like he, he said something and she kept repeating
it, but I can't remember whatit was uh, well, I I know that
one of the things that he saidthat she kept repeating was shit
I think that was after thatlike smack ah, shit yeah, good,
good stuff and and I mean well,and that's that's the whole
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thing.
Like is, is those kinds ofthings are, are what's going to
catch a kid's attention first?
I mean, she doesn't know thatit's a swear word, she doesn't
know that that's you knowwhatever.
But but it's an easy.
It's an easy to to repeat wordand she knew the kind of
situation where it wasacceptable to say it.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And so of course she's going to use it.
Yeah, she could observe thatOur little kids that, hear that
say it over everything, likegive me more broccoli.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh God, yeah, that's.
That doesn't happen now.
So I don't know, did.
Did you kind of see this alittle bit Like I did?
Their, their relationship kindof started almost like a big
brother, little sister type.
I mean he was giving her hell alot of the time, you know, like
I mean he was snarky andsarcastic and just kind of being
(26:23):
a shithead and she was kind ofthe victim to it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I saw that you had said that and I guess I didn't
get the same impression.
I guess, I think I felt morelike it was almost felt like in
the beginning she was anobligation, like she was part of
his duty.
You know what I mean, right?
You?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
know, oh crap here's a.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know what I mean, Right, you know?
Oh crap, here's a kid and now Ihave to.
Now I have to save her.
Like I could give up, but now Ihave to save her.
Well, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I think that that's how it started in the very, very
beginning.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
But as they go, I really did, as awful as it is, I
think, where where it startedto turn a little bit was when he
lied to her there her familywas on top of the mountain.
That was about when I hadnoticed that it stopped being,
that it started to change frombeing shit Now I have to take
(27:19):
care of this small person thatis really a liability to
survival into like.
Then it started to slowly turninto you know big brother type
hazing.
You know like not not like notsuper dangerous or anything but
like.
(27:39):
I mean, I guess for some peoplethat would also kind of be like
you know how their dads were.
If you, if you grew up with ayoung dad, be like you know how
their dads were.
If you, if you grew up with ayoung dad, then you know like
young dads are, are kind ofnotoriously like big brothers to
their, to their kids.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, I have nothing to say about that.
Just, we're just going to leavethat there, hey Jamie.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
what does a horse say ?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Oh Jamie, what does a horse say?
All I remember is a cow saysmeow.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh cow says meow Cow says meow.
Yeah, yeah, as a PSA, if you'rea dad and your baby mama spends
all day Baby mama Well, noteverybody's married all the time
now, but if you're a dad andyour baby mama spends all day
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teaching your kid animal noisesand things like that, don't
contradict them as soon as theyleave and teach them that they
were all wrong that's going tobring you some bad juju man.
It can end badly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Not that I remember any of that.
I was young enough it didn'tscar me for life, so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So yeah, I mean, it's almost like it starts like a
big brother, little sister typerelationship, or at least I felt
like it did.
But then it did kind of changea little bit.
Then the obligation changedLike ah, now I have to take care
of this person, became I haveto take care of this person.
(29:19):
I mean is, is that kind of whatyou, what you saw?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yes, I also saw.
I also saw it shift where sheneeded to take care of him too,
and and that was I mean, thatwas at the quicksand, you know
what I mean like she.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
She heard him screaming and she went for him
and, knowing even that she hadjust gotten out of her own,
almost had my face eaten offscenario well and honestly, I
think it might have even starteda little bit before that oh, it
could be that was the momentwhere I felt like she was the
hero, like that was her heromoment, that was that was when,
(29:57):
when it was really clear, yeah,but like even in, even in the
caves she had taken, she hadgone to a point where she was
like, no, I can get throughthere yeah, like yeah, let me go
, let me go and get out, yeah,and and you know like he didn't
want to give her the lead, ofcourse, because his job is to go
(30:20):
in first and get bit, his faceeaten off.
Yeah, so so in in now it's like.
Now it gets to a point wherethey're, where they're almost
equals, you know, like they,they have a more mutual respect
at that point.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I do have to say this is, this is earth now.
So I have a whole different.
I have a whole different,shifted my entire perspective on
this movie, this movie.
But I I did love the quicksandelement.
I was super glad it was there,just because I it was.
A few years ago I I saw a memethat was like quicksand is not
near the problem, I thought itwould be.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
When I was when I was a kid, yeah yeah, because you
see this stuff in movies.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's the scariest crap ever and I remember going
to the beach once in a whilebecause you know the town we
lived in had this beautifulsandy beach and I was always
afraid I was going to step in aspot that was going to be
quicksand right, like becauseit's got to be everywhere it's
in, like every movie, right okay, and and now I feel like I
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almost have to give another PSA,wait is this mic time.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
No, no, this isn't getting up on my mic.
It's getting up on my mic iswhat it's called.
So this isn't getting up on mymic.
This is another PSA.
For all the people out therethat are worried about quicksand
, don't worry about quicksand.
Don't worry about quicksandbecause if it's quicksand, your
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body's buoyancy will only allowyou to sink to about your
armpits and then after that,you're done sinking what yes,
physics, keep you from fromdrowning in quicksand is this
like the mandela effect?
No, I don't know because I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I was convinced my entire life that quicksand would
swallow me.
I would die.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, that's because that's because it wouldn't be
interesting if, in every moviethat it was ever in, people just
stopped at their armpits andwere like, hey, hey, yeah, could
, could you, could you grab arope, you know, maybe a long
stick?
Yeah, I mean, then it wouldn'tbe quite so that's fantastic,
terrifying and things like that.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So although I mean there are, there are other
substances that are likequicksand tar pits are different
, um not just that and sinkholesare different and things like
that corn bins oh yeah, cornyeah I mean, I think that
happened around here not tooterribly long ago that someone
(32:58):
like drowned in a corn binbecause they got stuck in there
and suffocated I thought it waslike a weekly occurrence here.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well, I mean we're in Nebraska, jamie.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's not Iowa.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, that's that's true, Uh, so, so yeah, quicksand
, quicksand was, was uh a goodpoint in this movie, because
that was when she, when she,fully established herself as
somebody who can save him toowell, and she, like, I mean she,
owned that.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That was just she beat the quicksand.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
It was awesome yeah, um well, and and I mean that,
and that wasn't the last timeeither like, oh man yeah, so
anyway, uh, you know the youalso had in here here the other
talking point about the guy leftat the ship.
There wasn't a guy left at theship.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I took it out then because I was embarrassed after
you pointed it out.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Oh, OK, ok.
So yeah, there wasn't a guyleft at the ship.
The whole, now the whole movie,thank God for never ending
bullets.
And then at the end, oh shit,no bullets.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Sorry, the entire movie I was thinking, oh my God,
thank God his gun doesn't needbullets and it's just always
going to shoot.
He's and they only need onebecause it's always going to
shoot.
And then at the end he was likethe big mama was there to get
them, and it's like well, exceptthat you'll remember he didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It wasn't that he was out of bullets, it was just
that he needed to reset the gunwhich is, which is cool.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I'm just saying the entire time I'm like, oh, he's
gonna be fine, he's got neverending a never-ending supply of
electrode shooting out starwars-esque bullets now, who'd
have thought that 65 millionyears ago that Microsoft was the
one that made the fuckingtechnology for guns?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Did you try turning it off and turning it back on
again?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Thank you, spectrum yes.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I'll reset my router again.
Charter Sphinctrum.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
It's terrible, ben.
No endorsement for you fromthem, oh god no no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't use their internet to make this podcast,
but yeah, so I mean yeah, nobullets.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It was because he had to reset his gun well, and then
seriously like the whole moviepew, pew, pew, pew, pew, and
then the end, it click, click,click can I?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
can I just say, that want one I?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
want one of those guns?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Of course you do.
Wow, wow, I mean, it justsounds cool when it shoots.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
That was the coolest I actually.
I really thought the technology, the ideas around the
technology was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Like the biofoam idea .
How like?
I mean, because even in theMartian, right In the Martian,
he goes and he has a cut and sohe has to go and pull the stuff
out and then he has to staplehimself shut and all of that.
But in this one he has a cutand he's bleeding profusely.
So then he just takes thisthing and shoots himself with
(36:01):
this freezing biofoam stuff andthen it just seals it up for him
.
Yeah, I mean, the only reason Icall it biofoam stuff and then
it just seals it up for him.
Yeah, uh, I mean, the onlyreason I call it biofoam is
because that's also from aseries of books that I read.
And, uh, they call it that inhalo, where they just fill the
area with a foam that kind ofsterilizes it and seals it or
whatever.
But but still, like I mean, thebiofoam idea was really awesome
(36:25):
.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I loved the scanner, things Like where, oh, and at
the very end, when the escapepod, the escape ship or whatever
was flipped over, and it waslike initializing repair
sequence and I was like whycan't my Kia have that Right?
Let's get on the stickhtickhere.
(36:47):
People Like I understand mine.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Mine's a Ford.
I get why that doesn't have itsown repair itself thing, but I
mean, come on.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Come on, Kia.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
That scanner thing that he had.
I really loved that one part inthe movie when they were in the
caves and he got knocked overby that dinosaur and he dropped
it and they were showing thefight from the scanner yeah that
was in the darkness.
You couldn't see what was goingon because it was in the dark,
but you could see it because ofthe scanner I thought, for sure
(37:19):
he was gonna die.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That was so fucking creative, like jen and I were
both like that is badass likewhoever came up with that idea
was super cool, like watchingthe reflection in the in the
water instead of seeing what'sactually.
Yeah, it was pretty cool yeah,who directed it again?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
uh, it was a a couple of guys.
It was, um, uh, scott beck andbrian woods huh, yeah, uh, they
good job both.
They both wrote and directed it.
So now the you've got anothertalking point, we'll we'll jump
over to one of mine, um well,that's kind of.
(37:59):
That's probably really mytakeaway, so it's so so, like
all the all the little thingsthat that keep coming up with,
these two like and not even, noteven the life threatening ones,
like, like I said earlier, thebugs and stuff like that.
Um, he starts doing thesethings that like I don't know
like he, he just starts showinghis affection in in very uh,
(38:21):
like I don't know strange ways,where he's like he gets a bunch
of like goop and stuff on his onhis hands and then he like
chases after her with it.
You know stuff like that, Idon't know it.
Just, it really showed a lot ofthe kind of a lot of the
turning points, uh, in in all ofthat I think.
(38:43):
I think really the big, the bigemotional thing was when they
got, when they got to themountain and her family wasn't
there.
How did you feel in that moment?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It's one of those things and, quite frankly, I
think, at this point, just asthey're ready to leave, right,
just as they're ready to get outof there, out of there one of
those things where I think, asas a parent, I can tell you that
there are times where I I feltlike felt like I had to keep the
truth away from my kids, or Ifelt like you know what I mean,
like to get there's times wherewe can't, we can't disclose
(39:17):
everything to our kids, we can'tbe super transparent and and at
this point, especially as theywere leaving, they saw obviously
koa was not going to replacehis daughter who who died, but I
I saw that there was enoughcare for her that maybe she
could stay with him and his wife.
You know what I mean like rightthat she could have a home there
(39:39):
because her parents were gone,and and that's almost that's
what it brought up for me wasjust those times where I
couldn't be completelytransparent with my kids for
whatever reason, Because itwasn't appropriate or because it
wasn't it wouldn't be helpfulfor them.
It's like telling the white lieto get if she had broken down
in the beginning when they're 15meters from the escape vehicle.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
They wouldn't have gotten anywhere.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
How would he have gotten her there, she?
Would have had no reason tokeep going and and she, she
wouldn't have had a reason tokeep trying.
And so I thought that that was,you know, and the dichotomy
between that for her, and almostwondering, if that's a little
bit of where he was at, becausehis, his daughter, had passed
(40:28):
away.
And so was that like, was thathim putting that forefront for
him too?
Like I still need, I need toget home.
She would want me to come home.
You know what I mean right sowhat?
what kind of it made me wonderwhat kind of things he was
telling himself to keep goingwhen the reason for the trip was
gone.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Right.
Some of that is that I don't Idon't know if I want to, I don't
know if I want to really saythat it's, it's toxic, but but
something that is that is reallyum, that is really kind of a, a
, a very much a man's thing isum.
If I'm given the care ofsomebody and their well-being is
(41:11):
my responsibility, even whenyou have no other reason to do
so, you still have aresponsibility and feel a need
to fulfill it.
The fact that she was stillalive was more than enough to
(41:33):
keep him going, maybe not happy,because you know he has all
these other reasons that hedoesn't want to keep going at
all, but gave him this, gave hima job to do.
I mean, that's something thatwe've talked about, you know, in
in other episodes, where youknow if there's a job to do,
then it's.
It's real easy to put your toput your emotions and stuff like
(41:56):
that aside so that you can dothe job.
Um, but uh, but yeah, I thinkthat that probably played a big
part of of his um continuing onwith.
It was that I I have thisperson that I'm responsible for
and I'm going to make sure thatthey, that they get to a safe
place.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
But by the time it got to that point, it that had
changed.
Uh, it wasn't.
It wasn't about the job anymore, it wasn't about the
responsibility or the obligation, it was about everything had
just kind of changed from being,uh being, because it was what
he was supposed to do, uh tobeing what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Um, the other thing that I thought of.
You know, just to go back to myabsolute favorite show of all
time, there was an episode ofGrey's Anatomy, Um, when one of
the characters told the mom thatshe had found her son in order
to get her to go get surgery.
Right, so, yep, he's great, he'sokay, he's in the waiting room,
(43:03):
he's waiting for you.
You need to go get your surgery.
Because she was refusing to goget surgery until he was found.
And Dr Bailey says do youreally think that that's a good
idea?
And he said if my life savesher life, then yeah, I'm okay
with that.
And you know, I think that's aprime example of one of those
spaces where you know I'm I'm arule follower, I'm going to
(43:28):
follow the rules and sometimes,maybe a lie is the thing that
you need to do to do the best,the most good well, I mean, I'm
sorry, sometimes people don'tunderstand the reason for hurt
until it happens and theneverything's passed.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But I mean the hurt of being lied to is it's, it's
very real and not to minimize itor anything but sucks to your
asthma, you know if, if, ifsomebody lies to you, uh, and
hurts your feelings by lying toyou, and it saves your life, I'm
, I life, I think that I thinkthat that's kind of, I think
(44:15):
that that's kind of okay, yourfeelings versus your life thing.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Just apologize a lot.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah.
Like well and that's the thingwhere the intention, intention
is important.
I think, yeah, like I didn't dothis to hurt you.
I didn't do this to intention.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Intention is important.
I think, yeah, like I, I didn'tdo this to hurt you, I didn't
do this to make you feel bad.
I did this.
I did this to help because,because you wouldn't have gotten
your ass up here to the top ofthis frigging mountain Right If
you'd have known so, no, I, Idon't know.
I I really liked this movie.
(44:54):
Movie, it was fun, um, it wasjust, it was different enough in
a way that the the absurdity ofAdam driver being in, you know,
on earth 65 million years ago,fighting, uh, dinosaurs with a,
with an energy weapon, and, youknow, trying to evade a total
annihilation from a cataclysm ofan asteroid, it seems like just
(45:17):
an out-of-reality sort of anidea.
Who would ever think of that?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I literally have such a different opinion about the
movie.
Just knowing it was 65 millionyears ago on earth, I, I,
literally I was.
I told you this morning.
I'm like it was okay, ben, Imean, it's a survival movie,
it's a space survival movie.
Yay, we've done that.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Before you know what I mean right, except that it's
not.
It's not alien, you know it'snot.
It's not any of those things,it's.
This is no, the aliens came hereright, uh well in million years
ago, and that's the other thingthat I was kind of talking with
jen about.
Is that like?
Another implication is is thatbecause he was there and he got
(46:06):
injured and bled everywhere,that could have been what seeded
earth with human dna?
Dun, dun, dun yeah, so is hehuman, he looks human he's
humanoid, but that doesn't makehim human yeah, well, I mean, if
he looked a lot like we do andhe bled like we do oh, but
(46:27):
oxygen I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
doesn't the blood run blue in the in our veins and
then it turns red when it hitsthe oxygen, or something I?
Mean maybe it's something likethat.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Maybe that's where we got the idea.
It's people misreading the the,the charts.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Well, it's because my vessels look blue.
Okay, it's blue, see, anyway,okay, good movie.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well, okay, anyway, okay good movie, well, and now I
want to go back and re-watch itbecause I feel like I missed
something.
Oh, you were never going towatch it again.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I was never gonna watch it again.
I was never gonna watch itagain because I mean it was just
another alien scared movie no,it's not.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
It's a good movie.
Um, did that?
Did that change your activeingredient at all, or is that,
or uh?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
you know the only thing I kept for me at the end,
what I kept thinking as theywere floating off and we were
watching earth 65 million yearsago be destroyed sorry, still
mind blown I kept thinking likeI hope their technology, I hope
their mental health servicesmatch their technology, because
(47:42):
I mean, if I looked at the girlin the chair next to mills it
was holy crap.
That poor kid has got someserious childhood trauma now
yeah, yeah actual ptsd?
do they understand emdr?
Are they going to be able?
You know what I mean.
Like I was just really hopefulthat she could get some serious
(48:02):
services and then I keptthinking, like those two have a
trauma bond.
Now, you know and trauma bondsometimes is like a terrible,
like it has a terribleconnotation to it in some, in
some ways, in some situations,but those two came together and
survived something Because of it, yeah, taking her home and them
(48:29):
caring for her and giving her aplace to call home, and and so
that was kind of for me theactive ingredient was imagining
what was after, like what comesnext and, and you know, thinking
about how the trauma wasn'tjust on the planet, someone
that's going to be gettingthrough what they went through,
and then you know what, what thefuture could look like for the,
(48:51):
for them as a family, which waskind of a beautiful thing for
me.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Right Now for for me, uh, for me, the active
ingredient was a little bit more.
Uh, you actually kind of jumpedthe gun on me on it.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Oh, I did.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, um, you, you brought it up super, super early
where how he, how he, wasrescuing her in this movie.
The whole premise of the movieis that he is rescuing this
little girl and as their storycontinues, it becomes the other
way around.
(49:26):
Reason why that's why that'skind of important for me is
because sometimes, sometimes,you need to really evaluate what
it is that makes you soattached.
Are you, are you there savingthat person, or are you there
because they save you?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
yeah, who's saving who?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
um, you know, uh, and and I mean I know I know that
that can kind of go in a littlebit to the whole um, you know,
like like a codependency talkand and things like that but but
at the same time it's also avery important thing that, uh,
that that in those kind of likethose kinds of relationships
that you do allow yourself to berescued once in a while, um, um
(50:12):
, that you don't always have tobe the the hero yeah, um, yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
You know, there was one other thing that I took out
of this huh, never, ever, ever,buy a futuristic, 65 million
year old space pew, pew fromFord.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
From Ford.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
You mean from Microsoft, microsoft or?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Microsoft.
Probably, either one is a badidea.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Get up and try to shoot a dinosaur and click,
click, click.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Ah shit, doo, doo, doo, doo the driver and the
dinosaur stop and look at eachother when it goes.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
The dinosaur.
Oh yeah, we'll give it a second.
How do I not have a career?
Speaker 2 (51:01):
in making movies.
I'm just saying right.
I could really add to this.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Did you, did you ever see that video of the guy that
was?
That was like on a rollercoaster and he'd, he'd get up
there and then he'd wake up andfaint, and then he'd wake up
again and then he'd faint, andthen he'd wake up again and it
was the.
It was the windows noises overand over and over again.
All right, go ahead and goahead and plug your stuff,
(51:29):
sister.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Ooh, well, I'm not sure when this is this episode
is going to release, but we juststarted season two of our
podcast and so, um, the episodejust dropped and it is kind of a
.
It's kind of a fun one.
We had a conversation with apresidential candidate the
libertarian presidentialcandidate for uh 2024.
(51:51):
So it was a really coolconversation and I'm excited to
share it.
So got a lot of good episodescoming release on the second and
fourth Tuesdays in the month,and you can find us on Facebook,
twitter, no, yes, facebook, theapp formerly known as Twitter,
tiktok Instagram.
We're on the gram.
So, yeah, check us out.
(52:12):
It's way fun.
Oh, and we have a Patreon.
It's way fun.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Awesome yeah.
So yeah, thanks for being on,thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
This is way fun.
We should do it again maybe.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Oh, probably.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I mean, you know it's a hard ask, but maybe I could
be a repeat guest or something.
Yeah, it's not like you've beenon a whole lot or anything.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
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She's a doctor, just not that kind of doctor, she's
not a psychologist, though.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm not a doctor in any way, but I give good advice.
I could be Dr Laura.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
See, that's what I'm talking about.
So, as you can hear, today instudio, uh, I have, uh I have a
a special guest in here, the oneof the two hosts of the
Roundtable Mindset, my sister,my much older sister, Jamie.
Welcome, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Slightly older.
I mean much older, when we werelike five and ten.
But come on now.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, of course know, thanks for having me.
Yeah, of course.
So, uh, this movie was foundafter scrolling for 13 hours
through netflix pages.
Uh, when you're in a show hole,yeah, yeah, I found uh, jen
found it actually please tell meyou weren't doing 13 hours
straight well, that's kind ofhow it feels.
Like I mean trying to scrollthrough netflix after you're
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done with a show or somethingyou're like.
So what do I watch now?
And then you, then you prettymuch spend about the amount of
time that you would watchingsomething.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I do hate just scrolling through.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, it sucks so.
So, scrolling for what feltlike 13 hours through Netflix,
jen found it, yes, she actually.
Basically, we're talking abouthow awesome adam driver is, and
then she was like, oh, look,adam driver.
And uh, so yeah, uh, we were ina show hole.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
and adam driver bursts into action you do know
that there is like a featurewhere you can type in an actor
and it will give you right,right.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, we didn't, we weren't thinking about that, we
were just scrolling and thenbullshitting at the same time.
That's how we spend quality timetogether scrolling and
bullshitting sounds like a lotof quality yes, yes, lots of
quality time that way, um, but,uh, this, uh, this adam driver
movie brings a sci-fi adventureright to your living room.
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We're talking about 65 today.
Basic info on this movie it's aNetflix original released in
2023.
Written and directed by ScottBeck and Brian Woods.
Stars Adam Driver, arianaGreenblatt and Chloe Coleman.
The IMDB description this isJamie's thing.
(03:08):
An astronaut crash, lands on amysterious planet, only to
discover he's not alone.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's like, not a description.
I have figured it out, ben.
I want you to know I havethought about this long and hard
, especially when I listen toyour episodes that I'm not in
and you mention how much I'mgonna hate this description or
like this description.
Um, I have decided.
These aren't subs likedescriptions.
These are like subtitles.
There's the title and then thesubtitle.
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This is like the subtitle.
It's not a description okay somaybe you should start
rebranding it that way.
Maybe IMDb will follow suit.
The IMDb subtitle to this movieis?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Some of them aren't so bad, though, Like there have
been a couple of them thatweren't so bad.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
When you can get more information on the back of a
book sleeve.
It's not a description.
Well, I guess, that's just mythought.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But still, I don't know, this one, this one's not
great, um, but I'm I'm prettysure.
I'm just going to make surethat all of them that we do are
ones that have really bad ones,just so that I can you know, get
you all riled up and I'll betalking about it for weeks.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's not hard to do.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So initial movie impression cinematography
surprised me, as it does all thetime with Netflix originals,
and when you really think aboutit, like how great is Netflix
quality as far as theircinematography lighting and all
of that stuff, like I mean theyreally do do a great job.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Even special effects Like it.
It is kind of amazing.
Yeah, and that stuff has justgotten cheaper, so Netflix can
do it easier.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I think what it is is that I think that people are
just.
I think that more, morehomegrown special effects people
are just being given anopportunity because, like it
used to be that there were.
You know that there were like150 special effects people in
Hollywood and everybody had tofight for their time and there
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were a few innovators and thingslike that.
But now, with computers andcomputer power and everything
being so available and specialeffects programming and things
like that being more available,I mean I have everything I need
to do, all of the things thatare in this movie.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, let's not even I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
If we want to go down a social rabbit hole, I suppose
you could probably do a lot ofthat crap with ai anymore too
well, yeah, I wouldn't trust itthough, because then you know, I
mean, if we're being honest,you might end up with a dinosaur
, dinosaur with like some kindof male appendage coming out of
its forehead, um, which wouldn'tbe good for for net.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Ooh alien dinosaur with a mega hat.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Alien dinosaur with a Make America Great Again hat.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We already had one.
I'm just.
I'm just woo.
That's encroaching on politicalstuff here.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It's kind of been a political week for me, so yeah
yeah, well, I mean, that is kindof kind of your skis when it
comes to podcasting.
So well, yeah um, now let's seehere, uh, I mean and again back
to the, you know the thing thatwe were talking about, the, the
kind of the initial impressionwith this, the lighting and all
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that stuff, I mean it's, it'sgreat because Netflix is doing a
really great job and killing itin that way, um, but uh, but I
mean what, what I think wasreally cool about this movie for
me was that the acting wasshouldered by two performers it
was Mills and Koa and and they,they really carried the brunt of
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the uh, of the acting in thismovie and I think they did
fantastic.
If I'm going to be honest, thefirst time I watched it it was
just kind of a popcorn movie,what dad calls a popcorn movie,
just a movie that you sit downand eat popcorn and watch.
Yeah, when you're done, you'redone.
Um, but uh, but I don't knowthere's there's a little bit
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more to it, I guess.
Um, for me anyway, um, what was, what was kind of your general
feeling on on the technicalaspects of this, of this movie?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, you know it did , so I can't remember what that
movie.
What was that movie?
We did with the caller?
It wasake gyllenhaal uh theguilty the guilty.
It kind of had an air of thatfor me um just because of the
it's super limited cast.
Um, you know the focus on thetwo characters for the bulk of
the movie and I guess seeingthat it was released in 2023
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makes me wonder was this filmed?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
it was filmed in 2020 and 2021.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, seriously, like I, I I called that cause I was
like I bet that just had such asimilar feel, um, I mean, whole
different movie, whole differentscenario and everything but it.
It had that very.
I think that made made it feelmore up close and personal, like
in your face, um, you know, I,I don't know, don't know that I
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the only word I can think of todescribe it was intimate, like I
just felt like it was rightthere.
But otherwise I think, yeah,netflix has done a pretty
incredible job for me.
I don't know if this is one Iwould watch a second time, like
it was good.
It was good.
That popcorn, popcorn moviekind of described it for me.
There was good stuff andthere's.
You know it's not like youcan't, you can't take the
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lessons out, but but yeah, itwas, it was good.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Usually, usually right after the uh, the initial
stuff, I jump into charactersand I mean normally like what
I've been doing is I've beensaying you know, I've, I've been
doing the whole, you know, tellme about one of your favorites.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But there isn't really a whole lot, uh, to
choose from as far as favoritesgo.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
So we'll make this short and sweet, so we'll just
kind of we'll just talk about,uh, uh, the ones that that uh
just kind of pop out right away,and that's first off.
Mills, tell me, tell me whatyou think about Mills.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, I Mills, um, I think the entire movie I never
saw him as anything other thanthe dad wanting to get home.
You know what I mean?
Right, that was his characterfor me.
I'm sure he's somewhat of ascientist and an explorer and an
astro.
I mean, he's got some,obviously, skill and and
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education and talent to be ableto do what he's doing.
But, um, but all of that wassecondary, it was like it was
like dad trying to get home.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Right, right from the get go it was like I mean he's,
he's out on this big, longthree year mission.
He's taken away from his familyfor three years and like it to
to an adult.
That that's like it's whatever.
Um, but I mean, when you thinkabout that from a kid's
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perspective, that's a 15 yearold to a graduate.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Um, that is a seven year old to a 10 year old, you
know I mean it's like a middleschool to a high schooler.
I mean, yeah, it's it's crazyyeah, it's quite a big chunk of
a kid's life, uh for a dad to begone and he's not happy about
it, but he is happy that whathe's doing is is going to do
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good things for for his family,and and that is that is what is
what he's about for a largeportion of the movie.
I think that Koa is is kind ofin a similar thing with, like
what you were talking about,where she's just kind of out
looking for her family, but very, very literally, like I mean,
she, just she she is stuck inthis place with a man that she
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doesn't understand what he'ssaying.
Um, he doesn't, he doesn't haveany ability to convey to her
exactly what's going on, and theonly way that he does is not
honest.
He, he blatantly lies to her toget her to go with him.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
well, thankfully she didn't understand him really so
what did you think of ko?
Well, and we chatted a littlebit before this.
I had a little bit ofmisunderstanding even about her
origin, like I thought she hadbeen on the planet so the whole
time.
I'm like, why is no one talkingabout where the heck this kid
came from, you know?
So I don't know if I just wasanswering a text during that
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first part of the movie or what,but I am.
Yeah, I kind of miss that.
So think, what I take away, Iguess with her was so much that
it was like it was like the hopeof her family being there is
what kept her going, and Iwonder I wonder how hard she
would have fought through someof the things that she fought
through had she not, had she nothad that hope at the end.
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You know what I mean, right?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
yeah, yeah, well, and probably down here in the
talking points a little bit.
I mean how much, how much ofher getting there with with that
, you know, that found familyaspect, um in mills, um, you
know, because, like I don't know, they they just had a really a
really great like growing storythrough this whole thing.
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It was just kind of interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So, getting into the points of interest, before we go
on, though, I feel like there'sone other character that plays
a big part in the whole thing.
Yeah, yeah.
And that was Mills' daughter.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Naveen.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Because she.
I think what's so interestingabout this and I don't know if
those were like recordedtransmissions along the way but
not only did Mills connect withthat character obviously it's
his daughter but what I thoughtwas really interesting in the
movie was how Koa also connectedwith her, like she was super
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interested in her and even atthe end she was part of saving
them.
You know what I mean?
Oh, I mean, and she was kind ofa part of saving them.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Oh, I mean, and and she was kind of a part of saving
mills all throughout the movie.
No, I mean, he crash lands onthis crazy ass planet.
I mean there's nothing good isgoing to happen when, when they
come and pick him up, he's, heis going to be blamed for
everything.
You know, the, the asteroidsand and everybody dying except
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for him.
Like, I mean, that's not goingto feel good for anybody, and he
was, he was really ready tojust be done with it.
Uh, and then he thinks abouthis, then he thinks about Naveen
, right, and and he puts he putsthe gun down.
She would, she had played a part, a part in saving Mills all
throughout the movie, and Idon't know, it almost felt like
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Koa had a lot of, she had a lotof focus on Naveen too, like,
almost like she was trying tolike I think that she knew that
it was his daughter, but I thinkthat she was trying to figure
out why, uh, why all of thesethings were so important and I
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don't know, like maybe maybe shejust saw her as as a potential
friend or something like I don'tknow, kids, kids do tend to
gravitate to each other andthings like that.
But your first point ofinterest was Jurassic Park in
space.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It is.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
There's no fences, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It doesn't matter, it was Jurassic Park in space.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
All of those scenes of like.
I mean even the dinosaurslooked like dinosaurs and they
were aliens of some kind.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
But no, they weren't.
They were dinosaurs.
Okay, so this is supposed to.
I think you might've missed thepremise here.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It's very possible.
Like I said, I was respondingto a text or something.
I missed something.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
This is Earth.
These people are from far, far,far away.
This is Earth, and they crashlanded on Earth 65 million years
ago, when dinosaurs were there.
Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
How did I miss that?
Where was that in the movie?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, that's what the 65 is.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I literally I was going to ask you what the hell
is the title mean?
Like I didn't even understand.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah 65 million years ago was was when, when
dinosaurs were, were a thing,that's.
I mean, that's just the generalnumber, that's given it there's
a huge span, but generally theysay 65 million years ago.
That would also be why thelittle girl wasn't from the
planet.
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She was in a pod, because therewere two pods that were missing
and he found one and it had Koain it, and so he took it back
and opened it up and checked onher, and then she and then he
left and then she followed him.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, no, I miss that somehow Somehow along the way,
and maybe it's because I missed.
Did I miss a title where itlike said this is Earth?
I don't even know, that's crazy.
Were they going?
They weren't going to Earth,though.
They were on their waysomewhere else.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, they were going to another colony somewhere.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But they ran through an asteroid belt and beat
themselves up and ended uphaving to crash land.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So yeah, Okay, okay, I think I just had this little
light bulb moment.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
The asteroid that came at the very end was the
asteroid that destroyed all thedinosaurs.
Yeah, okay, see, I missed awhole bunch of this movie.
Yeah, to be fair, this is notwhole bunch of this movie.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
To be fair, this is not my type of movie Like this
is not a movie.
I would naturally pick, so Iwas no.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And I'm going to get up on my mic if I'm here for a
second and talk about this.
So I knew Stop it.
I'm up on my mic, Jamie.
This is when I get up on mymicie.
This is this is when I get upon my mic this is when we're
like telling secrets hey is thissecret?
So the reason I picked this wasbecause I knew that there was
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no other way you'd watch itunless I did you're so right.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
What a pass right by it but it was a good movie.
Well, okay, so this is so okay.
So it wasn't Jurassic Park inspace, it was Jurassic Park like
the Jurassic period.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right, Actually probably closer to Cretaceous,
but okay.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, no, it's spirit is.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
there is what I'm talking about Okay, so so yeah,
there was this, there was such agood episode for me.
I've learned so much, um so, soyeah you got your Jurassic park
in space talking point you also.
You also put in a lot of thestuff in here that, uh, I'm
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guessing you got beaten up byjump scares quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh my gosh.
Well, that and the next one,this nonstop action.
I was exhausted by the time Ifinished watching this movie and
I hate that kind of movie.
Like I need, I need some ebband flow, I need some peaks and
valleys.
And this was like from the wordgo.
I you know, you had the nicetouching 30 seconds in the very
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beginning, and then we're inspace and we're being beat up by
asteroids, and now we havealien dinosaurs chasing us down,
but it's actually justdinosaurs, so yeah but what
about?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
what about the?
Uh?
You know what about the berries?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't.
You're the second person thatsays what about the berries?
I don't even know, like Jen waslike, what about the berries?
I don't know Whatever Well it'sfunny.
Yeah, but you're also hearingdinosaurs in the background who
were going to eat them at anysecond.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
There was no rest.
Well, I mean, there was, therewas eventually.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I guess like hyper vigilant the entire movie I was,
I was, I was having a traumatrigger or something, I don't
know, but it was definitely.
It was fight or flight for me.
The whole movie.
It was terrible, right.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
So well and I don't know.
I guess I felt like that therethat they had taken, taken a
couple of breaks every now andagain to kind of help out with
that a little bit, and a lot ofthat, I think, was where a lot
of the development of theirrelationship kind of came in.
Yeah, I mean, with the berriesthing, you know, don't eat, do
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not eat.
You know you put those in yourmouth, they go down to your
stomach and and then how much?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
can I just tell you, do you know how much money we
would save on health care if wehad a little thing that we could
stick something into and say,yes, this is okay for you to eat
, this is not okay, yeah,everything, everything that you
buy at a damn grocery storewould tell you no, though the
thing is is that we wouldn'thave to recall lettuce all the
time oh, that's, very true likeoh, salmonella, never mind I'll
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take the next one, thank youfair, I'll pass on the romaine.
Give me the iceberg, it's okayyou know what have you noticed?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
maybe I'm the only one that's noticed, but have you
noticed that, like lettuce,like iceberg lettuce and all of
that, they're just, it's notgreen anymore.
There's no green lettuceanymore.
Like everywhere you go, it'sall, it's almost.
Like everywhere you go,everything that you get for
lettuce is heart lettuce.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
You just need to get the oh gosh.
What is it?
Well, there's kale, kale'ssuper green.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Ugh gross.
There's also you, millennial.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I only like it in smoothies.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Gross.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
No, there's like butter.
What is it?
Butter, not squash butter,lettuce butter?
I don't remember.
But no, you get it.
It comes in a plastic packageat our grocery store.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's like perfect sandwich lettuce, it's like
picture perfect sandwich lettuce.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It's waving on the leaves Well, and I don't use it
for sandwiches, but I likesalads and stuff.
I like to get spring mix.
It's got a little bit ofarugula in it and a little bit
of this.
A little bit of that it's.
I don't know.
It's pretty good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I ain't no rabbit, I'm just joking.
I like spring mix.
It's fine, I'm just saying.
You don't often hear that theyrecall iceberg for salmonella.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Usually it's romaine oh, I guess, I guess I don't pay
enough attention to that yeah,plus, if you think about you
know what's interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay, this is so off topic, it's not even funny.
But I was reading somewherethat, like in the 50s and 60s,
the only lettuce you could getwas iceberg.
Like they really didn't have avariety of lettuces at the
grocery store like they do nowright I thought that was
interesting and I was thinkingback to when we were kids and it
was probably really justiceberg and mixed like chopped
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lettuce, the pre-cut lettuce,and maybe romaine.
Maybe you could get romaine backthen yeah, I don't know of
course you know people couldalso walk around the grocery
store smoking and had ashtrayson the end of the aisles Right.
I mean it's a whole differentlifetime ago.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
God, I remember.
Do you also remember ashtraysat the ends, by the end caps at
Walmart?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
No, Ben, that might be before my time.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
No, it wasn't, Even though.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm older than you, no.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I don't remember that .
That was when in uh, whenwalmart is was in the building
that uh, uh, that planet fitnessis in gosh.
That wasn't there for very longafter we moved here, though, no
, but I do remember there beingashtrays on the end caps back in
the day.
Yeah, those were the days thosewere the days when smokers had,
you know, everything but onepart of a plane and half the
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restaurant, one part of a plane.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh man, so funny.
Anyway, berries can be amachine.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, so you know, I mean we've got the berries and
and, uh, there was the.
There was also their stop forwater, uh, when they were, when
they were next to the next tothe river, and he, you know,
told her hey, go up and get itfrom the flat part and
everything.
I mean they, they, they tooklittle timeouts every now and
again, just, and it seemed likeit was just for character
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development between the two.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
They did.
The only thing is that theyalso ruined that, because I
think one of the first ones hewas just like moving himself
along, having a gay old time andthen all of a sudden here comes
a dinosaur trying to eat hisface, and so then every time
after that you're just waitingfor it, like even during those
quiet moments you're just likeit's coming.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Are you talking about when he was looking over the
ledge of the cliff?
Yeah, oh, look at the majesty.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And now look at the teeth in my face.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, it was fantastically.
It was so good that was thefirst one.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
It was the first one.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was suspicious after that, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay, I don't know I I liked the little, the little
bits of of stopping they did forfor development.
Some of the things when they'dlike laugh at each other and
things like that, like himslapping the bug and getting his
hands stuck in on the tree barkand oh what was she?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
what was she saying?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
like he, he said something and she kept repeating
it, but I can't remember whatit was uh, well, I I know that
one of the things that he saidthat she kept repeating was shit
I think that was after thatlike smack ah, shit yeah, good,
good stuff and and I mean well,and that's that's the whole
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thing.
Like is, is those kinds ofthings are, are what's going to
catch a kid's attention first?
I mean, she doesn't know thatit's a swear word, she doesn't
know that that's you knowwhatever.
But but it's an easy.
It's an easy to to repeat wordand she knew the kind of
situation where it wasacceptable to say it.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And so of course she's going to use it.
Yeah, she could observe thatOur little kids that, hear that
say it over everything, likegive me more broccoli.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Oh God, yeah, that's.
That doesn't happen now.
So I don't know, did.
Did you kind of see this alittle bit Like I did?
Their, their relationship kindof started almost like a big
brother, little sister type.
I mean he was giving her hell alot of the time, you know, like
I mean he was snarky andsarcastic and just kind of being
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a shithead and she was kind ofthe victim to it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I saw that you had said that and I guess I didn't
get the same impression.
I guess, I think I felt morelike it was almost felt like in
the beginning she was anobligation, like she was part of
his duty.
You know what I mean, right?
You?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
know, oh crap here's a.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You know what I mean, Right, you know?
Oh crap, here's a kid and now Ihave to.
Now I have to save her.
Like I could give up, but now Ihave to save her.
Well, I think.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I think that that's how it started in the very, very
beginning.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
But as they go, I really did, as awful as it is, I
think, where where it startedto turn a little bit was when he
lied to her there her familywas on top of the mountain.
That was about when I hadnoticed that it stopped being,
that it started to change frombeing shit Now I have to take
(27:19):
care of this small person thatis really a liability to
survival into like.
Then it started to slowly turninto you know big brother type
hazing.
You know like not not like notsuper dangerous or anything but
like.
(27:39):
I mean, I guess for some peoplethat would also kind of be like
you know how their dads were.
If you, if you grew up with ayoung dad, be like you know how
their dads were.
If you, if you grew up with ayoung dad, then you know like
young dads are, are kind ofnotoriously like big brothers to
their, to their kids.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Right, I have nothing to say about that.
Just, we're just going to leavethat there, hey Jamie.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
what does a horse say ?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Oh Jamie, what does a horse say?
All I remember is a cow saysmeow.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh cow says meow Cow says meow.
Yeah, yeah, as a PSA, if you'rea dad and your baby mama spends
all day Baby mama Well, noteverybody's married all the time
now, but if you're a dad andyour baby mama spends all day
(28:36):
teaching your kid animal noisesand things like that, don't
contradict them as soon as theyleave and teach them that they
were all wrong that's going tobring you some bad juju man.
It can end badly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Not that I remember any of that.
I was young enough it didn'tscar me for life, so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So yeah, I mean, it's almost like it starts like a
big brother, little sister typerelationship, or at least I felt
like it did.
But then it did kind of changea little bit.
Then the obligation changedLike ah, now I have to take care
of this person, became I haveto take care of this person.
(29:19):
I mean is, is that kind of whatyou, what you saw?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yes, I also saw.
I also saw it shift where sheneeded to take care of him too,
and and that was I mean, thatwas at the quicksand, you know
what I mean like she.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
She heard him screaming and she went for him
and, knowing even that she hadjust gotten out of her own,
almost had my face eaten offscenario well and honestly, I
think it might have even starteda little bit before that oh, it
could be that was the momentwhere I felt like she was the
hero, like that was her heromoment, that was that was when,
(29:57):
when it was really clear, yeah,but like even in, even in the
caves she had taken, she hadgone to a point where she was
like, no, I can get throughthere yeah, like yeah, let me go
, let me go and get out, yeah,and and you know like he didn't
want to give her the lead, ofcourse, because his job is to go
(30:20):
in first and get bit, his faceeaten off.
Yeah, so so in in now it's like.
Now it gets to a point wherethey're, where they're almost
equals, you know, like they,they have a more mutual respect
at that point.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I do have to say this is, this is earth now.
So I have a whole different.
I have a whole different,shifted my entire perspective on
this movie, this movie.
But I I did love the quicksandelement.
I was super glad it was there,just because I it was.
A few years ago I I saw a memethat was like quicksand is not
near the problem, I thought itwould be.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
When I was when I was a kid, yeah yeah, because you
see this stuff in movies.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's the scariest crap ever and I remember going
to the beach once in a whilebecause you know the town we
lived in had this beautifulsandy beach and I was always
afraid I was going to step in aspot that was going to be
quicksand right, like becauseit's got to be everywhere it's
in, like every movie, right okay, and and now I feel like I
(31:24):
almost have to give another PSA,wait is this mic time.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
No, no, this isn't getting up on my mic.
It's getting up on my mic iswhat it's called.
So this isn't getting up on mymic.
This is another PSA.
For all the people out therethat are worried about quicksand
, don't worry about quicksand.
Don't worry about quicksandbecause if it's quicksand, your
(31:50):
body's buoyancy will only allowyou to sink to about your
armpits and then after that,you're done sinking what yes,
physics, keep you from fromdrowning in quicksand is this
like the mandela effect?
No, I don't know because I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I was convinced my entire life that quicksand would
swallow me.
I would die.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, that's because that's because it wouldn't be
interesting if, in every moviethat it was ever in, people just
stopped at their armpits andwere like, hey, hey, yeah, could
, could you, could you grab arope, you know, maybe a long
stick?
Yeah, I mean, then it wouldn'tbe quite so that's fantastic,
terrifying and things like that.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So although I mean there are, there are other
substances that are likequicksand tar pits are different
, um not just that and sinkholesare different and things like
that corn bins oh yeah, cornyeah I mean, I think that
happened around here not tooterribly long ago that someone
(32:58):
like drowned in a corn binbecause they got stuck in there
and suffocated I thought it waslike a weekly occurrence here.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Well, I mean we're in Nebraska, jamie.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's not Iowa.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, that's that's true, Uh, so, so yeah, quicksand
, quicksand was, was uh a goodpoint in this movie, because
that was when she, when she,fully established herself as
somebody who can save him toowell, and she, like, I mean she,
owned that.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
That was just she beat the quicksand.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
It was awesome yeah, um well, and and I mean that,
and that wasn't the last timeeither like, oh man yeah, so
anyway, uh, you know the youalso had in here here the other
talking point about the guy leftat the ship.
There wasn't a guy left at theship.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I took it out then because I was embarrassed after
you pointed it out.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Oh, OK, ok.
So yeah, there wasn't a guyleft at the ship.
The whole, now the whole movie,thank God for never ending
bullets.
And then at the end, oh shit,no bullets.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Sorry, the entire movie I was thinking, oh my God,
thank God his gun doesn't needbullets and it's just always
going to shoot.
He's and they only need onebecause it's always going to
shoot.
And then at the end he was likethe big mama was there to get
them, and it's like well, exceptthat you'll remember he didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It wasn't that he was out of bullets, it was just
that he needed to reset the gunwhich is, which is cool.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I'm just saying the entire time I'm like, oh, he's
gonna be fine, he's got neverending a never-ending supply of
electrode shooting out starwars-esque bullets now, who'd
have thought that 65 millionyears ago that Microsoft was the
one that made the fuckingtechnology for guns?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Did you try turning it off and turning it back on
again?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Thank you, spectrum yes.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I'll reset my router again.
Charter Sphinctrum.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
It's terrible, ben.
No endorsement for you fromthem, oh god no no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't use their internet to make this podcast,
but yeah, so I mean yeah, nobullets.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It was because he had to reset his gun well, and then
seriously like the whole moviepew, pew, pew, pew, pew, and
then the end, it click, click,click can I?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
can I just say, that want one I?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
want one of those guns?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Of course you do.
Wow, wow, I mean, it justsounds cool when it shoots.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
That was the coolest I actually.
I really thought the technology, the ideas around the
technology was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Like the biofoam idea .
How like?
I mean, because even in theMartian, right In the Martian,
he goes and he has a cut and sohe has to go and pull the stuff
out and then he has to staplehimself shut and all of that.
But in this one he has a cutand he's bleeding profusely.
So then he just takes thisthing and shoots himself with
(36:01):
this freezing biofoam stuff andthen it just seals it up for him
.
Yeah, I mean, the only reason Icall it biofoam stuff and then
it just seals it up for him.
Yeah, uh, I mean, the onlyreason I call it biofoam is
because that's also from aseries of books that I read.
And, uh, they call it that inhalo, where they just fill the
area with a foam that kind ofsterilizes it and seals it or
whatever.
But but still, like I mean, thebiofoam idea was really awesome
(36:25):
.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I loved the scanner, things Like where, oh, and at
the very end, when the escapepod, the escape ship or whatever
was flipped over, and it waslike initializing repair
sequence and I was like whycan't my Kia have that Right?
Let's get on the stickhtickhere.
(36:47):
People Like I understand mine.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Mine's a Ford.
I get why that doesn't have itsown repair itself thing, but I
mean, come on.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Come on, Kia.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
That scanner thing that he had.
I really loved that one part inthe movie when they were in the
caves and he got knocked overby that dinosaur and he dropped
it and they were showing thefight from the scanner yeah that
was in the darkness.
You couldn't see what was goingon because it was in the dark,
but you could see it because ofthe scanner I thought, for sure
(37:19):
he was gonna die.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That was so fucking creative, like jen and I were
both like that is badass likewhoever came up with that idea
was super cool, like watchingthe reflection in the in the
water instead of seeing what'sactually.
Yeah, it was pretty cool yeah,who directed it again?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
uh, it was a a couple of guys.
It was, um, uh, scott beck andbrian woods huh, yeah, uh, they
good job both.
They both wrote and directed it.
So now the you've got anothertalking point, we'll we'll jump
over to one of mine, um well,that's kind of.
(37:59):
That's probably really mytakeaway, so it's so so, like
all the all the little thingsthat that keep coming up with,
these two like and not even, noteven the life threatening ones,
like, like I said earlier, thebugs and stuff like that.
Um, he starts doing thesethings that like I don't know
like he, he just starts showinghis affection in in very uh,
(38:21):
like I don't know strange ways,where he's like he gets a bunch
of like goop and stuff on his onhis hands and then he like
chases after her with it.
You know stuff like that, Idon't know it.
Just, it really showed a lot ofthe kind of a lot of the
turning points, uh, in in all ofthat I think.
(38:43):
I think really the big, the bigemotional thing was when they
got, when they got to themountain and her family wasn't
there.
How did you feel in that moment?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It's one of those things and, quite frankly, I
think, at this point, just asthey're ready to leave, right,
just as they're ready to get outof there, out of there one of
those things where I think, asas a parent, I can tell you that
there are times where I I feltlike felt like I had to keep the
truth away from my kids, or Ifelt like you know what I mean,
like to get there's times wherewe can't, we can't disclose
(39:17):
everything to our kids, we can'tbe super transparent and and at
this point, especially as theywere leaving, they saw obviously
koa was not going to replacehis daughter who who died, but I
I saw that there was enoughcare for her that maybe she
could stay with him and his wife.
You know what I mean like rightthat she could have a home there
(39:39):
because her parents were gone,and and that's almost that's
what it brought up for me wasjust those times where I
couldn't be completelytransparent with my kids for
whatever reason, Because itwasn't appropriate or because it
wasn't it wouldn't be helpfulfor them.
It's like telling the white lieto get if she had broken down
in the beginning when they're 15meters from the escape vehicle.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
They wouldn't have gotten anywhere.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
How would he have gotten her there, she?
Would have had no reason tokeep going and and she, she
wouldn't have had a reason tokeep trying.
And so I thought that that was,you know, and the dichotomy
between that for her, and almostwondering, if that's a little
bit of where he was at, becausehis, his daughter, had passed
(40:28):
away.
And so was that like, was thathim putting that forefront for
him too?
Like I still need, I need toget home.
She would want me to come home.
You know what I mean right sowhat?
what kind of it made me wonderwhat kind of things he was
telling himself to keep goingwhen the reason for the trip was
gone.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Right.
Some of that is that I don't Idon't know if I want to, I don't
know if I want to really saythat it's, it's toxic, but but
something that is that is reallyum, that is really kind of a, a
, a very much a man's thing isum.
If I'm given the care ofsomebody and their well-being is
(41:11):
my responsibility, even whenyou have no other reason to do
so, you still have aresponsibility and feel a need
to fulfill it.
The fact that she was stillalive was more than enough to
(41:33):
keep him going, maybe not happy,because you know he has all
these other reasons that hedoesn't want to keep going at
all, but gave him this, gave hima job to do.
I mean, that's something thatwe've talked about, you know, in
in other episodes, where youknow if there's a job to do,
then it's.
It's real easy to put your toput your emotions and stuff like
(41:56):
that aside so that you can dothe job.
Um, but uh, but yeah, I thinkthat that probably played a big
part of of his um continuing onwith.
It was that I I have thisperson that I'm responsible for
and I'm going to make sure thatthey, that they get to a safe
place.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
But by the time it got to that point, it that had
changed.
Uh, it wasn't.
It wasn't about the job anymore, it wasn't about the
responsibility or the obligation, it was about everything had
just kind of changed from being,uh being, because it was what
he was supposed to do, uh tobeing what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Um, the other thing that I thought of.
You know, just to go back to myabsolute favorite show of all
time, there was an episode ofGrey's Anatomy, Um, when one of
the characters told the mom thatshe had found her son in order
to get her to go get surgery.
Right, so, yep, he's great, he'sokay, he's in the waiting room,
(43:03):
he's waiting for you.
You need to go get your surgery.
Because she was refusing to goget surgery until he was found.
And Dr Bailey says do youreally think that that's a good
idea?
And he said if my life savesher life, then yeah, I'm okay
with that.
And you know, I think that's aprime example of one of those
spaces where you know I'm I'm arule follower, I'm going to
(43:28):
follow the rules and sometimes,maybe a lie is the thing that
you need to do to do the best,the most good well, I mean, I'm
sorry, sometimes people don'tunderstand the reason for hurt
until it happens and theneverything's passed.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But I mean the hurt of being lied to is it's, it's
very real and not to minimize itor anything but sucks to your
asthma, you know if, if, ifsomebody lies to you, uh, and
hurts your feelings by lying toyou, and it saves your life, I'm
, I life, I think that I thinkthat that's kind of, I think
(44:15):
that that's kind of okay, yourfeelings versus your life thing.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Just apologize a lot.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah.
Like well and that's the thingwhere the intention, intention
is important.
I think, yeah, like I didn't dothis to hurt you.
I didn't do this to intention.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Intention is important.
I think, yeah, like I, I didn'tdo this to hurt you, I didn't
do this to make you feel bad.
I did this.
I did this to help because,because you wouldn't have gotten
your ass up here to the top ofthis frigging mountain Right If
you'd have known so, no, I, Idon't know.
I I really liked this movie.
(44:54):
Movie, it was fun, um, it wasjust, it was different enough in
a way that the the absurdity ofAdam driver being in, you know,
on earth 65 million years ago,fighting, uh, dinosaurs with a,
with an energy weapon, and, youknow, trying to evade a total
annihilation from a cataclysm ofan asteroid, it seems like just
(45:17):
an out-of-reality sort of anidea.
Who would ever think of that?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I literally have such a different opinion about the
movie.
Just knowing it was 65 millionyears ago on earth, I, I,
literally I was.
I told you this morning.
I'm like it was okay, ben, Imean, it's a survival movie,
it's a space survival movie.
Yay, we've done that.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Before you know what I mean right, except that it's
not.
It's not alien, you know it'snot.
It's not any of those things,it's.
This is no, the aliens came hereright, uh well in million years
ago, and that's the other thingthat I was kind of talking with
jen about.
Is that like?
Another implication is is thatbecause he was there and he got
(46:06):
injured and bled everywhere,that could have been what seeded
earth with human dna?
Dun, dun, dun yeah, so is hehuman, he looks human he's
humanoid, but that doesn't makehim human yeah, well, I mean, if
he looked a lot like we do andhe bled like we do oh, but
(46:27):
oxygen I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
doesn't the blood run blue in the in our veins and
then it turns red when it hitsthe oxygen, or something I?
Mean maybe it's something likethat.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Maybe that's where we got the idea.
It's people misreading the the,the charts.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Well, it's because my vessels look blue.
Okay, it's blue, see, anyway,okay, good movie.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well, okay, anyway, okay good movie, well, and now I
want to go back and re-watch itbecause I feel like I missed
something.
Oh, you were never going towatch it again.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
I was never gonna watch it again.
I was never gonna watch itagain because I mean it was just
another alien scared movie no,it's not.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
It's a good movie.
Um, did that?
Did that change your activeingredient at all, or is that,
or uh?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
you know the only thing I kept for me at the end,
what I kept thinking as theywere floating off and we were
watching earth 65 million yearsago be destroyed sorry, still
mind blown I kept thinking likeI hope their technology, I hope
their mental health servicesmatch their technology, because
(47:42):
I mean, if I looked at the girlin the chair next to mills it
was holy crap.
That poor kid has got someserious childhood trauma now
yeah, yeah actual ptsd?
do they understand emdr?
Are they going to be able?
You know what I mean.
Like I was just really hopefulthat she could get some serious
(48:02):
services and then I keptthinking, like those two have a
trauma bond.
Now, you know and trauma bondsometimes is like a terrible,
like it has a terribleconnotation to it in some, in
some ways, in some situations,but those two came together and
survived something Because of it, yeah, taking her home and them
(48:29):
caring for her and giving her aplace to call home, and and so
that was kind of for me theactive ingredient was imagining
what was after, like what comesnext and, and you know, thinking
about how the trauma wasn'tjust on the planet, someone
that's going to be gettingthrough what they went through,
and then you know what, what thefuture could look like for the,
(48:51):
for them as a family, which waskind of a beautiful thing for
me.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Right Now for for me, uh, for me, the active
ingredient was a little bit more.
Uh, you actually kind of jumpedthe gun on me on it.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Oh, I did.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, um, you, you brought it up super, super early
where how he, how he, wasrescuing her in this movie.
The whole premise of the movieis that he is rescuing this
little girl and as their storycontinues, it becomes the other
way around.
(49:26):
Reason why that's why that'skind of important for me is
because sometimes, sometimes,you need to really evaluate what
it is that makes you soattached.
Are you, are you there savingthat person, or are you there
because they save you?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
yeah, who's saving who?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
um, you know, uh, and and I mean I know I know that
that can kind of go in a littlebit to the whole um, you know,
like like a codependency talkand and things like that but but
at the same time it's also avery important thing that, uh,
that that in those kind of likethose kinds of relationships
that you do allow yourself to berescued once in a while, um, um
(50:12):
, that you don't always have tobe the the hero yeah, um, yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
You know, there was one other thing that I took out
of this huh, never, ever, ever,buy a futuristic, 65 million
year old space pew, pew fromFord.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
From Ford.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
You mean from Microsoft, microsoft or?
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Microsoft.
Probably, either one is a badidea.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Get up and try to shoot a dinosaur and click,
click, click.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Ah shit, doo, doo, doo, doo the driver and the
dinosaur stop and look at eachother when it goes.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
The dinosaur.
Oh yeah, we'll give it a second.
How do I not have a career?
Speaker 2 (51:01):
in making movies.
I'm just saying right.
I could really add to this.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Did you, did you ever see that video of the guy that
was?
That was like on a rollercoaster and he'd, he'd get up
there and then he'd wake up andfaint, and then he'd wake up
again and then he'd faint, andthen he'd wake up again and it
was the.
It was the windows noises overand over and over again.
All right, go ahead and goahead and plug your stuff,
(51:29):
sister.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Ooh, well, I'm not sure when this is this episode
is going to release, but we juststarted season two of our
podcast and so, um, the episodejust dropped and it is kind of a
.
It's kind of a fun one.
We had a conversation with apresidential candidate the
libertarian presidentialcandidate for uh 2024.
(51:51):
So it was a really coolconversation and I'm excited to
share it.
So got a lot of good episodescoming release on the second and
fourth Tuesdays in the month,and you can find us on Facebook,
twitter, no, yes, facebook, theapp formerly known as Twitter,
tiktok Instagram.
We're on the gram.
So, yeah, check us out.
(52:12):
It's way fun.
Oh, and we have a Patreon.
It's way fun.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Awesome yeah.
So yeah, thanks for being on,thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
This is way fun.
We should do it again maybe.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Oh, probably.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I mean, you know it's a hard ask, but maybe I could
be a repeat guest or something.
Yeah, it's not like you've beenon a whole lot or anything.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
If you have a movie that's been medicine for you and
you'd like to be on the show,you can email me at contact at
movie-rxcom.
You can also leave a voicemailor text me at 402-519-5790.
Anxiety keeps you from comingon.
You can write me a couple ofparagraphs, you can send it to
me through that text message orthat email.
(52:56):
I can read it on air.
Remember, this movie is notintended to treat, cure or
prevent any disease, and we'llsee you at the next appointment.
So so Thank you.
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