Alien Resurrection (1997) Bad Medicine ft. Dr. Benjamin and Derek

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thank you, hello, and welcome to MovieRx Bad Medicine
, where good people talk aboutbad movies and ugly movie
culture.
I am the prescribing doctor, drBenjamin, and today, joining me
for our bash session, we haveDerek.
Welcome, derek, hello.
So, as you can hear, I'm justgetting over a little something

(01:16):
here, so my voice sounds alittle funny, but I feel good.
I feel good because I'm tryingsomething new, doing this bad
medicine thing because sometimesyou just want to talk a lot of
shit about a bad movie and whenI thought of that idea, the

(01:39):
first thing I thought was Derekof stuck with me.
Derek, is that one of the twothings that I have known about
you for a very very long time isthat you really like music and
you also really like alienmovies Guilty on both fronts.
So today I could have gone intointo Alien 3, but I decided,

(01:59):
let's just, let's just go ballsto the wall on this one and
we'll just go straight for AlienResurrection.
So how are you feeling abouttalking about this one?
Um, I mean, okay, all right,one thing that is going to stay
the same in these kind ofepisodes is going to be that I'm

(02:19):
going to go ahead and runthrough the basic movie info.
We got a 20th Century Foxproduction released in 1997,
directed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet Ihope I said that anywhere close
to correct Stars SigourneyWeaver, winona Ryder and
Dominique Pinon I don't know,he's French too.

(02:40):
Looks like IMDb description.
Today We've got, two centuriesafter her death, a powerful
alien or human-alien hybridclone of Ellen Ripley aids a
crew of space pirates instopping the aliens from
reaching Earth.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Accurate.
That's one way to put it.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the whole movie.
Roll credits, all right.
So I feel like with this movie,um, uh, I mean there's there's
some pretty interesting statshere with it.
Um, how much do you know aboutwhat it made?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
uh, as far as, uh, as far as box office is concerned,
um, yeah, uh, let's see here.
I think so technically, uh,yeah, box office was 160 million
.
Uh, you know, roughly it wasabout 160 million in the box
office, uh, which was doublewhat its budget was.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
So just a little bit over it.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Technically, it was a success, uh, as far as the box
office was concerned.
But things to consider, thoughwhen you do like, when you do
the math on what like aliens was, or alien 3, or even the
original, uh, their, theirbudgets, like the original alien
, the budget was shit, right, uh, you know, is, uh, you know,

(03:58):
their budget, like, adjustingfor inflation, the budget would
have only been about like 24million give or take, but yet
they raked in a shitload ofmoney, so, like their ratio was
bigger.
As far as the success wasconcerned, uh, whereas you'd
have thought, with like withresurrection, with the cast that
you had behind it, the writersyou had behind it and the amount

(04:19):
of money that was just beinghemorrhaged towards this, it
should have been so much better75 million dollars.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
75 million dollars in in 1997, like damn you could,
you could, uh, that's.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's an astounding amount of money, um, especially
for for a movie that that it'sit's namesake movie cost
one-third of that right, yeah,uh, and but yet in like in my
research for this, continuouslythere were things being
mentioned of like they werecutting corners on certain

(05:00):
things because of budget issues.
You have 75 million fuckingdollars and you're gonna tell me
you have budget issues right,yeah, talk about mismanagement
of money.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh, jesus.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, there's like there's mismanagement all over
the place.
When you, when you look behindthe scenes at, like, how this
movie was created, there's just,there's mismanagement
everywhere.
Not to not to be one of thoseassholes, but I have heard
people refer to this as themovie that was made by the Mad
Frenchman.
Because there are a lot ofpeople that did not like this

(05:32):
director.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah Well, and despite what they feel about the
director, this movie scared theshit out of him as far as
Hollywood is concerned, becausehe doesn't have many credits at
all in Hollywood.
He's got almost none.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, they're all like French independent movies.
This is pretty much like hisonly Hollywood movie to where
he's just like no, I'm out.
But funny enough though he hasbeen known to like.
I think he watched someanniversary cut of Resurrection
at one point he's like no,actually.
Actually I think it's a goodmovie.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Anybody that has a problem with it can kiss my ass
that that kind of brings to mindsomething, though, like okay,
we'll, we'll talk aboutsomething that I hate first.
Real quick, I hate ratings, andyou'll notice that I don't ever
give ratings to movies.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Oh, there's a reason rating giving.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Giving a numeric rating to, to a movie, I think
cheapens the art yes I mean, youdon't.
You don't go to the mona lisaand push three out of five stars
for realism.
You know, at at the louvre, youknow you get anywhere close to
that fucker, you get tackled.
Why?
Because it's art.
So I I hate the ratings, butfor the sake of this movie, just

(06:48):
so that we're all on the samepage here, imdb gave this movie
a 6.2 out of 10.
Rotten uh, and the, what theycall the audience score for

(07:09):
rotten tomatoes, the, thepopcorn meter is 39, which
that's not rotten, that's yikeslike.
Oh my god, that's low and sucha bad score with with some of
those things.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean I I completely agree with you that I'm not a
huge fan of ratings, right?
You know, when it's like siskeland ebert, they're like I'm
gonna give it two thumbs down.
It's like, yeah, fuck you, whogives a shit?
And it's because a lot of times, like those types of ratings,
uh, you know, when you'retalking about film, it's it.
You know not to sound snottyabout it, but I mean it's very
subjective, is what it is uh youknow it's extremely subjective

(07:42):
to where you know one one oneguy's.
You know shitty sci fi moviecould be.
You know fucking Space Odyssey,depending on who it is that
you're talking to and whatthey're, you know how they look
at it, right.
On the other hand, when youlook at things like Rotten
Tomatoes Right, and you knowwhen they've got you know the
fucking audience score, that'snot them giving a rating, that's

(08:02):
not the site giving a rating.
They're aggregating what thepeople are saying.
And when you've got 39% of theaudience, I mean, or when you've
got the audience giving it a39%, that is the people have
spoken.
That's not subjective at thatpoint, that's data science.
That's aggregated opinions ofpeople going yeah, this movie

(08:22):
fucking sucks.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And it does, but like .
The thing that really stops me,though, is that pan back.
Okay, You're in 1997.
You're Derek 1997.
And you're sitting therewatching television Beavis and
Bayad and then on comes a uh, atrailer for alien resurrection.

(08:48):
And you look at this trailerand you see that this movie has
everything going for it.
Joss whedon is a writer, you'vegot sigourney weaver returning,
which automatically lends itall kinds of credence that
validates the movie.
Right, there is is sigourneyweaver.
And then you've got, you know,uh, then you've also got ron

(09:10):
perlman, michael wincott, like Imean, you've, you've got every
reason that this movie should besuccessful.
And then you go to the movietheater and you see it.
What, what the fuck went wrongright yep, exactly.
So yeah, yeah, like michaelwincott, like that guy gives
nothing but great performancesand he was one of the first to

(09:32):
die yeah, yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, you know it's fucking top dollar, right, you
know you've got.
You've got fucking top dollar,michael wincott being michael
wincott, right, you know he'sgot the.
Uh, he's got the.
The gravelly old, fuckingsouthern drawl.
You know my daddy whiskey voice, you know kind of?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
yeah, exactly, you know, and he's got that in space
.
You've got you know, you've gotfucking space redneck, uh and
and it still works, but yet,yeah, he's like the first fucker
they kill off yeah, one of thethings that kind of annoyed me
was that the reason why that whythat kind of bugged me was they
made such a big deal out of it.
They made such a big deal abouthim being killed and by that

(10:15):
point in the movie I'm sittingthere watching it and they're
all freaking out and and themusic is swelling and all of
this other stuff Like I'msupposed to give a shit right.
I don't give a fuck about any ofthese characters.
The only person on the screenthis entire movie that I give a
shit about at all is ellenripley, and it's not even really
her.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, exactly yeah, and they like this.
This was the beginning of aproblem that, like future alien
movies would wind up having.
Uh, because they ran into thesame fucking problem with avp.
They ran into the same problemwith avpr.
Um, technically, you know,depending on what your opinions,
they ran into the same thingwith, like prometheus or, uh,

(10:56):
you know, any of the other alienmovies.
Thankfully they fixed that withromulus, but, uh, they ran into
the same fucking thing with,like the other alien movies is
that you have this large cast ofpeople and you give zero fucks
about any of them right, yeah,like I mean, and that was kind
of the whole thing like therewas another movie that was very

(11:17):
similar to that Rogue One.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
like everybody raved about how great Rogue One was, I
didn't care, I had no reason tocare about any of those
characters.
Like everybody raved about howgreat rogue one was, I I didn't
care, I had no reason to careabout any of those characters.
And and to me that's that'spart of what makes wanting
wanting to watch a movieimportant is, is you've got to
have some kind of a connectionwith those characters and and

(11:41):
they, they did no developmentwith any of these characters at
all.
Um, yeah, I mean, the only theonly thing that was true was ron
perlman acting like a fuckingape at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
oh, that's about as good I mean like like ron
perlman was ron perlman thewhole fucking time.
Like I mean he was, he wasexactly who he is in, like
everything you've ever seen himin, ever Like I mean Perlman's
Perlman's performance wascompletely over the top and

(12:12):
righteous and exactly as itshould have been.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Right, you know, I got to meet him, fuck you.
Yeah, I got.
I got to meet him at a, at acomic con.
It's actually not as awesome asyou'd think.
Oh, really, he's kind of a.
He's kind of a dick, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he just like he
doesn't like to, he doesn't liketo answer questions from fans
and things like that.
Like you know, most of them canat least pretend or whatever.

(12:37):
But like you ask this guy, youknow what's your guilty pleasure
movie?
And he's just like fuck you,get out of here.
Like that's.
That's wildly disappointing yeah, it sucks because I was.
I was really excited to go talkto him, but no man, he wouldn't
.
He wouldn't tell me anythingthat sucks that you.
You almost want, like charliehunnam, to shoot him in the
throat all over again yeah, oneof the few things about this

(13:01):
movie I really liked his his, uh, his booze cooler that that
thermos he had.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the factthat it was also a gun was
pretty fucking cool.
I will give them that that was,that was creative and it was
cool um yeah, there were.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
There were certain things, like I said man, there
were so many things about thismovie that should have been good
.
That was one of them.
That was one of the things that, like, it had potential of
being really fucking cool iswhen they did shit like that.
We're like yeah, you've got,you know, you've got a canteen
that can also shoot people.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, and well, I mean just just those little
innovations of of uh, these aresupposed to be space pirates.
Yes, what are you going toexpect from space pirates?
Right, like and and.
First off, let's just talkabout how piss poor the military
is on this goddamn installationthat they're stopping.

(13:54):
Oh my god, dude, jesus fuckingchrist the fact that they let
them keep their jackets and shiton when they came into the ship
was like come on now, likeyou're supposed to be military
people.
You're smarter than that, youknow it.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Just I don't know they're yeah, they made space
marines fucking stupid rightlike in the other in, in in like
aliens, the, the space marineswere both smart and badass in,
you know.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
But like 200 years later, the space marines turned
into maybe dipshits I don't know, man, like I've got another
guest that wants to do um, thatwants to do aliens, right, so I
watched aliens and it was abouttwo months after jen watched
aliens with me and she, I, Iswear to god, she was about to

(14:44):
leave the house because of howmany times?
Come on man, come on man.
She just, oh, she got so sickof that I thought she was gonna
leave, but no, it's game over,man, game over.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, put her in charge I fucking, I fucking love
that breakdown man when hefucking loses his shit like that
.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I fucking love that yeah, yeah, well and oh man,
that's such a good movie andit's too bad.
We're not talking about thatone now, because now we have to
get back to this thing.
Um, this movie, this movie wasset set up to be bad right from
the beginning.
Um, sigourney Weaver like Imean, if we're talking about

(15:28):
acting right, sigourney Weaverwent was fantastic.
She's an alien veteran.
She knows how to play acharacter in this universe.
You know, uh, she didn't wantto do it.
Uh, as a matter of fact, shetold them no numerous times and
I think she was quoted as sayingthe only reason why she did it

(15:49):
was because they sent her atruckload of money to do the
film $11 million.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, a truckload of money.
She says so, $11 million,convinced her.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I mean well, I mean that's one seventh of their
budget, jesus, she also got aproducer credit on there, also
not to make her sound like acomplete, you know, like yay
money.
But she also did get anopportunity to play Ripley a
little bit differently becauseof the whole ambiguity as to

(16:24):
whether or not she was a goodguy or a bad guy.
So it did eventually become amore interesting way to play
Ripley, but yeah, it was the $11million.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
God, her ability to portray that weird Ripley.
Yeah, she did great with it.
God, yeah, she did so good.
Yeah, and if she could havebeen the only the only person
that was left in this film, ifthey had gotten rid of the rest
of the cast, then it would havebeen ultimately a better movie
it could have been.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
It could have been, or you know, if they would have
maybe like some better writingor uh, something in there, cause
I mean, like the, the, the castin this is fucking great.
I mean you do have everybody.
You know, you've got just abouteverybody that mattered in the
nineties.
Uh, you know, it was like apart of this movie at some point
.
Um, I mean, you haven't.
I will say, though, you have anentire Ernie Weaver and Winona

(17:22):
Ryder.
You do pretty much have a havea cast built up of like nineties
that fucking guy people likeyou know they're all just like
supporting cast.
Not a not a single one of themat that time was able to like
hold a movie on their own.
They were all like supportingpeople or they were part of like
ensemble casts at that point.

(17:42):
But they all did really fuckinggood at what they did.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
They just had some really shitty writing or some
really shitty directing thatthey had to go through or yeah,
I mean, well, there has to be acombination of things because,
like I mean, I know, like I lovehow your notes here say that
you know it proves you can'tsmack a home run every time.
Joss Whedon, right, excellentwriter.

(18:09):
Oh yeah, the guy firefly.
Let's just talk about fireflyfor a second and the kind of
comment that show has.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I have a comment to make about firefly here in a
minute, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Fucking holy shit, way better.
Fucking holy shit, way better.
Like dear god.
Uh, in in all of the well,there's another movie that we're
, that we're talking about doinga video, or that we're talking
about doing an episode on, thatalso was written by joss whedon.
All these really great thingsare joss whedon.
And then you have alienresurrection on his you know

(18:41):
docket and it's like dear god,man, what happened?
Like did you?
Did you just have a bad weekend?
Or?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
you're right, yeah, you gotta, you, you gotta wonder
, and I mean, and you you ask,you know, like they've, they've
asked joss whedon in like uh, uh, fucking interviews and shit of
like what he thinks aboutresurrection or you know, like,
was it?
Did it like go off the railsfrom his original screenplay or
anything along those lines, likeno, I mean it's, that is pretty

(19:11):
much what I wrote.
Just the way that they did itwas shit.
Is is essentially what he says,because, like john, you know,
joss whedon doesn't like themovie, but he's like no, I mean
it's, it stays pretty close tomy screenplay, but the way that
they actually accomplished itwas pretty fucking piss poor.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So like piss, poor execution on on that, on that
front anyway, of course, I don'tknow.
There are some, there are somethings about the plot that I
don't even really care for,which could, which could go back
to writing.
Yeah, they're like it's.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It's a combination of things.
You know where, like the, thedirector points to Joss Whedon,
joss Whedon points at thedirector, somebody's going to
point at the movie company,somebody's going to point at the
fucking special effects.
Really, what it comes down tois they're all guilty Every last
fucking one of them is guiltyfor this movie being a shit show
.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Right, except Sigourney Weaver.
I'm not going to let her takeany.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I'll give you that.
I'll give you that, althoughshe should have she should have
just respected the Ripleytrilogy and just stayed dead and
been done.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah well, and I'm wondering if maybe she just
thought that this would be likejust kind of an offshoot, like
legends type story or somethinglike that, and then it wouldn't
be a part of the regular lineup.
But that's just not how alienmovies work.
You know, you gotta, you gottaadd it all in um into the
timeline as little as you'd liketo, but um, but like winona

(20:43):
rider's performance in this wasjust, it was just flat.
There was, there, was, therewas no dynamics in her character
at all.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
No, well, and I'm you , know you, you could say that
that's probably blamed on thefact that she's supposed to be a
synthetic.
Um, but um, no, I mean, like I,I think I even have the comment
in here of, like, I don't thinkthey even gave you know writer
a like a script.
I don't, I don't think they.
They just told her to show upand be weird.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
You know, I don't, I don't think they even show up
and be Winona Ryder yeah, well,because, like even she herself
is like I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I don't give a shit what the script is.
I'm absolutely doing thisbecause then I can brag to my
little brothers that I was in analien movie because they were
huge fans of the.
Uh, they were huge fans of thefranchise.
So she's like fuck it, I'm in,I get a chance to be on screen
with gurney weaver and I'm in analien movie.
I don't give a fuck what youhad me do well and I could be a
fucking.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
She was excited for it because I'll still be there.
Yeah, she, she was excited forit, but it was.
It was for all the wrongreasons.
She didn't have a passion for,for this movie, um, and they
gave her a part that, honestly,I don't think was really the
kind of part that she deserved,that she can really thrive in.

(21:59):
Um, look at everything else itis none of this time.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, like at that time she might not have been
able to, you know, rise up to it, but I mean, when I'm a writer
is a great fucking actress.
She really is, but you justhave to put her in the right
role yeah, and this wasn't itlike at all, especially at that
time.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Um, yeah, oh god, I'm just I'm thinking through some
of the other stuff here, okay,so something that.
Oh, actually, I want to go backto something that you had
mentioned that you were going totalk about.
Uh, you said something aboutfirefly so um.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So what's what's funny is that at at certain cons
or in other interviews, peoplehave given Whedon shit.
So this movie was writtenbefore Firefly was a thing, and
people have given Joss Whedon alittle bit of shit.
At the similarities between thecrew of the ship in in

(23:03):
resurrection and the crew fromfirefly.
You know the, the similaritiesbetween the two, some of the uh
uh, some of the attitudes, someof the, the damn the man is, uh,
you know just the, the wild,ape shit, fucking characters
that you have.
There is a lot of similaritiesbetween the two.
Uh, firefly and uh, the.

(23:25):
What the fuck was the name ofthe ship?
The Dorothy, I think.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
The Betty.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, the what.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
The Betty.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
The Betty, the Betty, there we go.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, you've got the crew of the Betty and
then Firefly and you're like,wait a minute, a lot of
similarities between these twoand yeah, like he'll catch some
shit and like he's even saidhimself he's like I didn't do it
on purpose.
But if I stop and if I look atthese two like under a
microscope, yeah, maybe yeah,well, and I mean it's, it's okay

(24:01):
.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean because as much, as as much as this movie
sucked, I I don't think, I don'tthink it had anything to do
with the concept Like theconcept itself is perfect for an
alien movie.
You've got, you've got a shipdocked with another ship and
aliens get loose and people die,right, like that's, that's an

(24:26):
alien movie, that's what it'ssupposed to be.
But, uh, uh, but that sameconcept applied to a tv show, um
, with with you know the, thecast that it has, oh my god,
firefly is such an incredibleshow.
Tell me, tell all my listeners,if you haven't watched firefly,
give it a chance.

(24:46):
It's, it's a, it's totally aspace western tv show.
There's only one season andthat is the saddest damned thing
on the planet.
But go watch it.
It's a good show, um, but I meanit, it's, it's obviously a
successful concept.
So I mean, I don't carewhatever, use that, use that
concept to make that tv show.

(25:07):
Um, it just didn't, it justdidn't work.
For, for this, this crew makinga movie, uh, let's see here,
didn't credit hr geiger yeah,that was a fucking sin.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Man like uh yeah, geiger, you know the other guy
that create that helped createthe xenomorph?
Uh, yeah, they didn't.
They didn't give him anycredits, like he's not.
He's not mentioned in the movieat all.
He's not mentioned in thecredits of the movie or anything
along those lines.
Like nothing and giger'sactually like okay with the
movie.
Yeah, they didn't like he wasn'tmentioned at all.
Uh, he's they.

(25:42):
They don't have him in thecredits of like based off the
design of hr giger or anythinglike that, and he's like.
I saw the movie.
I thought it was cool.
It would have been nice ifthey'd given me a fucking credit
.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, no shit.
Like, although I don't know, Idon't know if he'd wanted, he
wanted credit, though like Imean seriously like some of the
ways that they moved in thatmovie like the one that comes to
mind is dodging bullets on aladder.
Aliens don't move like that,fuck you.

(26:15):
That's not.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's not how that works my, my biggest anger is
the water scene.
When you've got the cgixenomorphs that are like, you
know they're, they're fuckinglike dolphining their way
through the other the fuckingthing.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, that like the cgi ones is really, I
think, when they, when theyreally started to kind of go
away from it, like because Imean all the stuff in the
beginning, like when, uh, oh,the guy who played piter, um, he
was also the creepy puppetpuppet master fucker in in an
episode of criminal minds um,the doctor, that was like

(26:50):
kissing, yep, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I don't remember the actor's name yeah, no, that's,
that's fucking.
Uh, yeah, that's chucky.
Um, oh, god damn it.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Uh, uh, uh, brad, dorf yeah, another one that
every performance he gives is agood one.
I don't know why I neverremember his name but um, but I
mean I always have a hard timeseeing anybody other than him as
piter defries.
Um, but he, he does like hedoes a really great job.
But during that, during thatwhole interaction where he's

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like viewing all of the alienswhile they're in their
enclosures, like those werepractical effects, so so.
So I mean they, they lookedlike aliens, they felt like
aliens and and and it worked.
But then once you startedgetting into the cgi stuff, then
it was like then you just loseit, it's all gone, and and I'm

(27:44):
not a purist when it comes tothat kind of shit like I'm all
about, no, like jurassic park,fuck yeah, give me cgi dinosaurs
all day long, like I'm fuckingall about it.
But for some reason they, whenthey went to cgi in this movie,
they really lost a lot of the, alot of the presence and and a

(28:06):
lot of the the I I guess I don'tknow swagger that the aliens
have yeah, yeah, well, they,they also.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I mean it.
It also it wasn't just that itwas cgi, it was that it was bad
cgi.
Like it was.
It was a really bad, reallycheap cgi that you get out of
like really shitty movies.
Uh, you know, like I had a notein there that like this, this
shares more in line with, likejason x with its, uh, its
special effects, you know, withwith like a really bad cgi that

(28:35):
they've got in there like.
It felt more like that, likesomething that you would see off
of like a sci-fi channel movieof the week kind of a thing, not
something that should have beena 75 million dollar movie
that's not something that theydo in alien, though.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like I mean, they don't really do any of those
kind of I don't know promotionaltype videos or anything like
that.
Like I mean, they could.
I don't know if you've ever, ifyou've ever, seen the?
Uh, oh, I'm trying to rememberwhat it was called.
It was a halo thing made byridley scott.
Oh, interesting, it was like asix-part series, I think.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I know of it.
Um, I I don't think I've seenit myself, but I know that.
I know that, like Christopherand the guys I was living with,
they would have watched it,probably like 30 times and it's
not even in the same universe.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
But it's like I mean he can totally do those like
little offshoot projects, thatlike I think that if I think
that if this were done, maybe ifthis were done by Ridley Scott
himself, that might have beenenough to make a difference for
this movie.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, but I mean, I don't know what else went wrong
with this movie.
I mean bad cgi.
Yeah, the basketball scene wascool, I do.
I do like how you have thatdown.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah and uh and like the.
The story behind that isactually really cool, where,
like uh, yeah she was, she waspracticing up to like make sure
that, like she could do the uh,the, you know, the, the shot,
you know.
For anybody that's never seenthis uh, she like uh, sigourney
weaver is like walking away fromthe basket and she takes a shot
behind her, like a blind shotbehind her, and actually makes

(30:30):
it uh, like that's, that'sactually really cool.
Uh, because it was totally real.
Like she, she made the goddamnshot.
Like sigourney weaver herselfmade the fucking thing, um, it
was so much of a shock that,like ron perlman actually almost
like fucked up the shot becauseshe makes the uh, she makes the
basket.
He's like no fucking way andbut it was almost to the point

(30:51):
where they couldn't edit it out.
They were able to, uh.
So then they like that wholething is completely real, but uh
, yeah, like you know, they justlike that.
That is actually really cool onhow they they were able to pull
that off.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Um, so like yeah, because they were going to do
somebody like dropping abasketball into it yeah, and
sigourney weaver wasn't havingit.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
She's like fuck you, I can make this and the director
was like like, wasn't he?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
didn't he get to a point where he was just like
okay, you've got one more shotsomething along that was the one
she made it on, or somethinglike that.
Because, like, I know that somepeople had said that she got it
on the first try, but I know, Iknow for a fact that that didn't
happen.
Like they, they did this for along time, correct, with her
shooting over and over and overand over again and like, but I'm

(31:38):
pretty sure that it came downto one of those okay, this is
the last time, and then we'rehaving somebody drop the ball in
yep, and and then she fuckingmade it yeah, she did the damn
thing, and then ron perlmanalmost fucked it up.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, I love some of that inside stuff and that's
more interesting than thegoddamn movie.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I, I, yeah, I mean, you know they're probably the
biggest problem is, uh, you knowwhere this thing went wrong is
that you had so many, so manyelements of potential that they
just didn't follow up on.
You know you have this, you upon.
You know, you have this, youhave this killer cast, you have
a shitload of money that, uh,you know you could have done so

(32:19):
much more with.
You had actually somewhat of aninteresting story.
You've got like dan hadaya in,there is the, the general and
all of these marines and shit,but yet like they're all wiped
out in like five minutes andit's all like slapstick, dumb
shit on how they die, like thegrenade that falls into the
fucking ship and kills everybody.
Right Like that kind of justdumb shit.

(32:40):
You know that is almost likedark comedy than you know being
a, you know being an actualalien movie and like, ok, sure,
you know, if you want to make ita dark comedy, fine, but do it
on purpose.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Right, well, you know , I know, make it actually funny
I think that I think that was abig part of the reason why I
felt like this movie.
Like, like I had asked youearlier, did you notice that you
enjoyed it more as a kid thanyou do as an adult?
Yeah, now you can't stand it asa kid.
There were, there were thesesaving graces and things like

(33:15):
that.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
There might have been some forgivable sins.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, and I figured out what it is.
It's juvenile humor.
They relied on juvenile humorcharacter to the guy pulling the
fucking brain out of the backof his head to, you know,
saluting a.
You know a drop shit before it,you know, blows up or whatever.

(33:41):
You know this big tough guyasking ripley, you know.
So, like I heard, you ran intothese things before you know,
and what did you do?
I died, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Like I mean I'm not gonna lie, though.
I actually kind of liked thatline.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's a good line yeah, but like taking the big,
tough guy, the enforcer, thejane of the ship, right and then
and then making him like one ofthose worrywart little fuckers.
That's like you know god, whatdid you do?
You know, like I don't know itwas.
There was a lot ofinconsistency in that character
alone, but but yeah, like I meanthe humor in it was just very,

(34:26):
was just very.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I can give you that to a certain degree.
Like I mean I'm all forjuvenile humor and I mean
Firefly had plenty of it as well, but there was, yeah, but I
think you know, but like weren'tfunny enough to balance out
what was supposed to be like the, the action, sci-fi horror kind
of uh kind of a thing, and thesci-fi horror side wasn't good

(34:49):
enough to balance out the, thefunny slapstick kind of stuff.
so what you get is kind of likea shitty lethal weapon in space
yeah, yeah, that's, that'saccurate you know, and you've
got these, uh, you've got thesesetups, uh, you know you've got
these, uh, these certain setupsthat were, like, you know you,
you can kind of see them comingfrom a mile away.

(35:10):
You know, like the, uh, theengineer that they find, right,
uh, you know the, the engineerthat they find, and they know
that he's infected and they takehim onto the ship anyway, which
you're.
Just, you're sitting there thewhole time going, wait a minute
there.
No, that, that fucker's got axenomorph in him.
Like, why are you, why are youtaking him onto the ship?
Why are you taking him onto thebetty?
That guy's fucked, like he'sgot something in him.

(35:32):
You know at any point he'sgoing to uh, you know he's going
to have a chest burster pop out.
Why, why are you doing this?
right this is this is dumb.
And then it winds up being likeuh, you know you, you familiar
with, uh, with checkoff's gun,you know the, the concept of
checkoff's gun yes okay.
So, uh, you know this.
Yeah, like I call this likecheckoff's xenomorph, you know,

(35:56):
or checkoff's chestburster, towhere you see the engineer, you
know he's fucked.
You know that that chestbursteris going to happen, right.
So you know that that's goingto be something that is going to
come up later on in the plotlater, and then when it does and
it comes up as like the way tokill the other, you know the

(36:16):
company man, right, you knowwhere, like the chestburster
pops through his fucking head,right, and you know like that's
the worst use of Chekhov's gunI've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Like that was fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, I can definitely go along with that.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Like so much build-up , you introduced this new
character that, again, nobodygave a shit about that.
They've got to carry throughboth of the ships.
They take him onto the BettyEven though you, as the audience
member, are screaming theentire time.
This is stupid.
It's a bad idea.
You're going to wind up with achestburster on your fucking
ship and then they use it as away to kill this.

(36:57):
Like you know, subplot bad guythat you don't give a shit about
either.
It was just.
It was so dumb, so dumb the Iwill.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I will say, though, that that one of the notes that
I had that I had taken down wasthat, uh, of all of the people
in this movie, that guy, thatnameless dude, had about the
most emotional performance ofanybody in this entire movie,
just in that one scene wherethey're talking about him.

(37:29):
With him there, but he's likewhat's inside of me, what's
inside of me?
And nobody's fucking answeringhim, what the fuck is inside of
me, what's inside of me, andnobody's fucking answering him.
And like that's the only timethat you can really relate
somebody, yeah, and you're likewould somebody please fucking
answer the man you know?
And then what's that fuckingside bay?
And then you're like no shit,like answer him.
So I mean, that's that's theonly time in that movie that

(37:53):
somebody was able to portraysomething that I was like, that
I could really empathize with,and and I didn't notice that
until this last time that Iwatched it was god, I don't.
I don't empathize with anybodyat all in this entire movie ever
, except for that one point yeah, yeah and and that's that's so

(38:13):
that guy should have gotten anaward.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Because he was able to portray a character with some
feeling in a movie that had nofeeling at all.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
No, none, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I've got just so many,so many things in my, in my
notes here of, like you know,yeah, so and so deserved better,
so and so deserved better, andso deserved better, so and so
deserved better.
Uh, brad dorff's character justfucking die already.
Jesus christ man, yeah uh, justso many things.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I do have to say how cool it was, how cool it was to
watch this movie and then, likeI mean, I didn't care anything
about it when I was watching itthe first time, you know, back
in 97.
But since watching breaking bad, seeing tuco salamanca as a
marine was fucking badass likeyou know, like you got an alien

(39:07):
inside you, yeah, like fuckingraymond cruz man.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I love that fucking guy that guy, that guy will
always be.
He will always be chewy to me.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
He will always be chewy from fucking blood in,
blood out he will always be thatfucking guy that's why I have
it in my notes space cholothat's a movie I have not seen
in a long time.
God, I'm gonna have to watchthat again.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I watch that movie like once a year.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I love that fucking movie it takes you like a week
and a half to get through andyou will.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
You will start to talk like you're from certain,
like neighborhoods of grandIsland, but uh, you know, but
that movie is amazing.
I love that fucking movie.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
That's a good movie.
I'm going to have to.
I'm going to have to.
I'm gonna have to watch thatagain.
It's been years since I've seenit.
Um, let's see here underwaterscene facehugger jumping on
ripley.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Okay let's let's talk about that stupid fucking water
scene there for a second.
Okay, yeah, so we talked about,we talked about some fucking
like misdirection or, uh,mismanagement.
Right, we talked about bad, badmanagement throughout this
whole movie.
That that water scene.
That water seems like what?
Five minutes maybe.
Uh, you know, throughout thewhole movie, you know it's like

(40:24):
maybe five minutes and you windup losing a uh, you, you lose a
character in that.
You know, kim flowers and kimflowers deserved so much better
than that, because, I mean, herdeath is like an off-screen
death.
You see no blood, you seenothing.
Uh, you know she, she dies inthe water by a cgi xeno, right,
you know?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
just total, total bullshit um, and not even, not
even like the respect of gettingto like of getting the inner
mouth kill like it simplygrabbed her fucking leg and
drowned her, correct?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
yeah, yeah, like you, you have.
You have no idea how sheactually died or how she was
actually killed, none of that.
Uh, you know just like, yeah,like I said, practically an
off-screen death, uh, that wholescene underwater and everything
three weeks took them threeweeks to three weeks to shoot
that nonsense it like film 90feet of swimming right and it's

(41:20):
practically a transitional scenelike other than, uh, the death
of that one character.
It does nothing to to push theyou know, to push the story
forward.
It does nothing for the plot,it does fuck all when it comes
to the actual movie.
Overall it's a transition.
They're swimming from onesection of the ship to another

(41:42):
section of the ship.
Somebody fucking dies in theresomewhere.
That's it, that's all.
It fucking is right.
But it took them three weeks tofilm that.
Like, if they would have takenthose three weeks and if they
would have put that towardssomething that actually mattered
in the fucking movie, then itmight have been a better movie
like that might have made it somuch better.

(42:02):
The uh, the water was too clear,so they had to add milk yes,
yeah, they had to, yeah, theyhad to make the the water
shittier yeah, because they?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
because it just looked like people floating like
not even in water.
It just looked like peoplefloating like not even in water.
It just looked like peoplefloating so they had to add milk
so that you could see that itwas water.
I mean, could you imagine inCalifornia pumping that water,
what that would cost?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Oh, my God I don't know about in 97,.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
But today that'd be outrageous.
Yeah, right, that'd beoutrageous.
Yeah, like, right.
So like spending all of thatmoney and all of that time on 90
feet worth of transition, right, just it.
Uh, such a waste, such a waste.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
It was a complete, total fucking waste.
Yeah, absolutely, uh.
And then uh, yeah, you've gotthe the, you know the faceugger
that hits Ripley.
After that it's like, yeah,completely fucking redundant.
It's like she's alreadyinfected and she's already like
half xenomorph.
Why, why, the fuck.
And on top of that and they'vehinted in other movies that the

(43:08):
facehuggers are smart enough toknow who would be an ideal host,
so you'd think they should beable to tell through, like
pheromones or whatever it isthat they use.
They already know that ripley'sone of them, so why am I gonna?
You know, as graphic as thismight sound, you know why am I
gonna waste my seed quoteunquote on you know somebody

(43:28):
that's already infected, right?
You know that, like that'sstupid, the well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
And on top of that, every other, every other form of
alien can see that it's, thatit's Ellen Ripley.
And they leave her alone, right, like they don't go after her.
So why is it that thefacehuggers aren't you know,
they're not smart enough tofigure that out Like the queen,
the queen's like oh hey, that'sEllen Ripley, that's ma, you

(43:57):
know, like the, the, the, allthe rest of the aliens are like
oh, that's grandma.
The face huggers just don'tfucking get it.
Why?
Like, why are they?
Why are they so excluded?
Yeah, uh, and then.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
And then I do like your next one, the, the spitting
xenomorph just like when whenthat happened where it just it
stops, and just like on theother, the fucking guy.
I'm like what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
yes, alien edition you know, now I can officially
put that into my, into myhashtags for this episode it's
like what the like.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
They just turned this guy into newman.
Like what the hell man like the.
Yeah, this fucking jurassicpark in space.
Kiss my ass like what the fuck,yeah, and then it was and then,
apparently, that was enough tolike kill the, the, the black
dude, the guy that I, the guythat I refer to as low rent,
lawrence Mason.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Uh, you know, that was enough to have apparently
killed that guy.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Like what the what the hell Like?
That's painfully stupid.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, yeah, you shot him in the in the face with some
acid and then suddenly he'sdepressed and wants to kill
himself.
Right, because that's becausehe gave up.
Yeah, yeah he did?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
yeah, because it was like it was stuck on his big toe
and instead of like moving hisfoot to shake the fucker off, he
like loot, you know.
He undoes his belt and likefalls to his death like.
Like what.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Or just kick off your fucking boot, Like whatever.
I mean it didn't look like itwas that connected, but I mean
if it's not coming off your boot, then kick off the fucking boot
, Right yeah, and I mean maybewe're missing something of like
where the acid spray was, but Imean it didn't look like he got
hit that bad.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, you know, like Hicks and aliens got hit
harder than that and that guylived all the way to the end of
the fucking movie.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I uh, my, my whole thing was
just when.
When that happened, even evenbeing like what was it?
I was, I think I was 13, uh, 14, I think when it came out, I
was like, I was like, where didthat come from?
Yeah, aliens have never donethat shit, but oh, of course

(46:26):
they had to go and do it.
I like I'm one of those nerdsthat like I.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I read the comics, I read the novels and like that's
no, that's not a thing.
They They've never mentioned.
You know a weaponized spittingmechanism from any of the
fucking xenomorphs like that?
No, not a not a thing that'sever been done before.
Yep, and then from that, fromthat whole water scene and in

(46:52):
the latter scene and all of that, yeah, writers reveal as a
synthetic I mean, like I I knowthat in in the alien universe, I
know that they're, they don'thave a very high like opinion of
the of the synthetics, but atthe same time, I mean just the,
the level of unnecessary crueltythat they had to where, like

(47:17):
there was, you know, here wasthis chick where you know like,
uh, like, ron perlman'scharacters made all sorts of
like, uh, uh, lewd advancestowards her and things like that
during the entire movie andthen, like the moment that they
find out that she's a synthetic,he like flips his head of going
oh my god, and I almost fuckedyou.
You know, like things like thator they, they.

(47:39):
You know they refer to her aslike a, like a toaster.
Uh, you know, they justimmediately just the level of
disrespect that they have and Imean I I get it, they don't have
a high opinion of synthetics,but that was like holy shit kind
of levels and it was so fuckingimmediate to where it was
almost uncomfortable yeah, well,I mean it, it, it, I think.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I think part of the reason why it feels so
uncomfortable is because that'ssomething that we run into in
real life, not with synthetichumans, um, but with various
different groups of people ingeneral I get what you mean.
Yeah, and it't feel very likejim crow ish yeah, like just
that it was such a big deal.

(48:21):
Like, even even if syntheticsare just the most horrible thing
, because you know ellen ripleyhad nothing but problems with
them or whatever although bishopwas awesome, um, right, it's
like you know, even if allsynthetics are just not
effective or whatever, like, dothey really deserve that much

(48:41):
venom?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
maybe sooner, uh, and then it would have been like a
subplot that they could haveworked through.
Uh, almost like what they didwith bishop, right?
Uh, they, they introducedbishop in the very beginning as
a synthetic and ripley had thefuck you attitude and then he
was able to like prove himselftowards the end of the movie
that like no bishop was actuallypretty straight up, like you
know he was.
He was actually okay, like ifthey'd done something like that,

(49:19):
to where you would have beenable to actually like have time
to work out that subplot okay,maybe, but the way that they did
that and everybody else waslike ew, fuck this and, you know
, fuck this person.
Uh, it was just like no, youdon't have enough time to like
work that out and you don't haveenough time for like any of
those characters to um, likebetter themselves or you know,

(49:41):
or anything along those lines.
Like it's like five minuteslater, credits are rolling and
uh, you know, and like renonarider's still on that ship going
.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, these guys are a bunch of fucking bigots yeah,
yeah and and I mean it it just,it just felt icky.
Yeah, it just, it just left.
Left you feeling like like Idon't know dirty yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, you didn't need it.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
The rest of the movie .

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I mean they just they have just continued things of
like stuff that was a lot ofbuild up that just didn't have
much of the much the payoff.
You know, like when we, when wefinally get to like the queen
Right, when, when Ripley dropsin and she's there with the
queen and she has her big moment.
They've been talking the wholefucking movie about the queen,
the queen, the queen, the queen,the queen, and like even even

(50:29):
brad durif has like expositionthat he's got to like explain
what the hell's going on betweenthe queen and the human hybrid
and all this, all this bullshit,uh, that they're talking about,
because they, they, they dosuch a piss poor job of being
able to illustrate visually whatthe hell is going on.
they need brad doran to likenarrate what the hell is
actually going on um, and that'sthat's where I had the, the

(50:51):
attitude of like just fuckingdie already, we, we've, we've
thought you were dead the entiretime.
Just fucking die already, uh,but like right you have the
queen for 30 seconds and thenthe you know the hybrid kills
the queen like just veryunceremonious, not monster, yeah
right, yeah, exactly the damnthing looks like something that

(51:12):
you pull out of your nose whenyou've got, when you've got, a
sinus infection oh it's terrible.
Yeah, no, like, the fuckingthing was just stupid it looked
like Pizza the Hut with a badhair day.
Oh my God, oh no, it lookedworse than Pizza the Hut.
At least Pizza the Hut had likesome structure to them.
This thing looked like itshouldn't have even like

(51:33):
survived to see full term.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Well, did you know that that thing was had genitals
on it, both male?

Speaker 1 (51:40):
and female genitals originally they had to digitally
take them out yeah and even theuh yeah, because, like the
director was like yeah, even asa french guy, this is a bit
extreme for me right, yeah, no,that's the the actually that's
not bb, that's not me being anasshole.
That's a direct quote from thedirector where he's like even as

(52:01):
a french guy, this is a bit tooextreme for me right as well, I
mean in watching this movie.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
This is the part that I get to, that anytime I watch
this movie I consider shuttingit off because the look of the
look of the snot monsterliterally makes me physically
ill.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's just it's so bad, sofucking bad they did a better
they did a better job with thehuman hybrid in Romulus and that
was.
Even that was still shitty inmy opinion, but it, like Romulus
, was better than the yeah, thesnot monster, as, as you put it
for the other, the hybrid inresurrection.

(52:45):
It's just so bad, so terrible.
So bad, and then and that'sanother one, though, where,
again, there's very littlepayoff.
You know they introduced this,this fucking alien human hybrid.
You know they introduced this,this fucking alien human hybrid,
and you're like, oh my God, youknow this is going to be.
You know, big ass, big ass, foe, big ass, baddie for, like you
know Ripley, to have to fightagainst, and no, how does he die

(53:07):
?
Hole in a window, Yep, like holein the window gets sucked out
into space, you know, a little,a little bit at a time he gets
leaked out through a fuckinghole in the window.
That's it.
Like he's.
He's barely you know, there'sbarely any actual screen time.
Uh, he's, uh, he's there longenough to kill off the space
cholo and then die from a diethrough a hole in the window.

(53:31):
That's, that's it.
That's that's all they fuckingused it for.
Uh, well, I guess he did killbrad dora.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Finally yeah, he did.
Yeah, he did finally put himout of his misery.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, finally finally kill him off, uh, but otherwise
no, uh, just very, very littlepayoff yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
It was almost like getting sucked through the
window was almost like aeuphemism for for the alien
franchise.
Yeah, like, Like I mean it justlike there's no coming back
from this, Like there's no waythat there's going to be another
decent Alien movie after this,Thankfully, I think that that's.
I think that I feel that someof the newer ones are pretty,

(54:11):
pretty good movies.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, and I think I think where they finally, where
they finally got it was they gotthe fuck away from the Ellen
Ripley story.
They were able to realize thatthe alien universe is so much
more than just Sigourney Weaver.
And originally this was notsupposed to be a fucking
Sigourney Weaver story.
This was not supposed to be aRipley story.

(54:34):
When Joss Whedon originallywrote this, it was supposed to
be a clone of Newt.
It was supposed to be Newt.
That was the clone and the maincharacter and going off of her
story, not another goddamn EllenRipley story.
Because they figured no, we haveclosure there, like she died in
Alien 3.
We have closure on that one.
We have the Ripley trilogy.

(54:54):
We can leave that the fuckalone.
She's dead.
The uh, we have the ripleytrilogy.
We can leave that the fuckalone.
She's dead.
So we'll bring in newt andwe'll we'll do a new story and
it'll be completely fresh.
And of course, the moviecompany, being the fucking movie
studio, was like no, no, no, weneed somebody to anchor this
and we need a big star to beable to anchor this, and so
we'll just give her a ridiculousfucking amount of money to
anchor this goddamn fuckingflaming dumpster.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Uh, and so they, and so they brought in, they brought
in ripley and they they madejoss whedon like completely
rewrite the story to fit forripley so, like I mean, and
that's that's kind of fucked up,though, like, when you think
about it, you got like one ofthe one of the saving graces for
this movie is is is sigourneyweaver like one of the things

(55:38):
that makes this movie is?
Is sigourney weaver, like oneof the things that makes this
movie great is sigourney weaver.
But it could have been betterif they'd have left her the fuck
out of it potentially, yeah,you know, yeah it it would have
had the.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Uh, you know, it could have had potential to have
been better without her in it.
Uh, maybe, you know, or itcould have just been a shit show
that just didn't have, uh, thatjust didn't have sigourney
weaver attached to it, but atleast it would have been a risk
or it would have been adifferent story.
It would have been thepossibility of a different story
.
Uh, because for anybody that'spaid attention to the alien

(56:12):
franchise outside of the movies,ellen ripley's story is just
one, just one fucking story of,like, so many different things
that are interwoven actually avery small one.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yes, yeah, a very small story.
Um, I mean the comic books,jesus, there's oh yeah, there's
so many different novels, manare just huge yeah uh, I didn't
really get into the novels much,but, um, of course I mean
anything, anything that reallykind of uh tied these in with

(56:45):
the yocha, the yocha hunters,yep, the predators, yeah,
anything that tied them together.
I I was all about, like,especially the comic books, but
yeah, uh, in the video games,fuck yeah the avp series.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
The avp book series is fucking great.
The avp movie series is fuckingdog shit uh, but the awful oh,
never make me watch those never,make, I will, I will tell you
to go to hell.
Uh, if you, if you try to putme in for an episode on that one

(57:21):
.
I'll tell you to go fuckyourself, Because.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I can't do it.
I cannot fucking do it Allright, oh, so bad.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
So, if I remember correctly, X-Men 3, the original
X-Men trilogy and the third onethat was a god-awful dog shit.
If I remember correctly, Ithink you were one of the nerds,
along with the rest of us, thatwas in the parking lot for like
two and a half hours after thatmovie bitching about the
fucking movie.
When Alien vs Predator, whenthe first AVP came out, it was

(57:55):
me, Chris, and probably, youknow, a half a dozen other nerds
once again out in a parking lotbitching about that fucking
movie and its inaccuracies.
for like two and a half hoursafter the goddamn movie.
So fucking horrible.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Might have, might have been me.
Uh, you know, doug Doug, right,uh, he was a cook.
Uh, yeah, he's, um, he'sredhead.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, doug McHugh,yeah, he, um, he and I are both
he, we we're both pretty big.
Uh, uh, predator fans.

(58:29):
Um, I'm, I'm definitely more onthe predator side than the
alien side, uh, as far asknowledge goes.
But like he was talking aboutwanting to write a book in the
in the yocha language, I waslike, okay, I gotta back out of
this project.
Like, yeah, I'm not thatknowledgeable man.
But, yeah, no, the man therejust used to be such a following

(58:53):
for these kind of movies and um, like in I don't know, I guess,
I guess, with the, with the new, like, uh, with covenant and
and um romulus and all of those,I feel like that it's kind of
kind of going to a new audience.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
um, it is, but I do like that they're getting away
from Ripley.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Getting away from the Ripley story getting away from.
Yeah, now, I haven't.
I haven't seen Romulus yet, soI don't know anything about you,
know the about the synthetic init or anything?
If it's, what's his bucket?
Who's the guy?
Who's been?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
fast fastbender.
Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, he'syeah, michael fastbender is not
in it, he's not in romulus, okayyeah, okay, because he was.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
He was in both rom, or he was in both covenant and
prometheus the other one, rightprometheus, right, yep, he was
in both of those.
Okay, I'm having a hard timeremembering, yeah.
Because now I'm getting mixed upwith the stupid Predator movies
that they made that were alsooff-planet, like oh man, I am so

(01:00:12):
mad about some of those.
No, I'm going to request thatwe do a a predator movie,
whether it's alien versuspredator or one of the damn
predator movies, but uh, we gotto do one.
That it's bad, because I needsome time to gripe about that
shit oh yeah, I I don't thinkI'll do avp.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Uh yeah, I don't think I'll do either of the avp
movies, but I could probably doone of the later predator movies
.
I could probably get it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, yeah, I could probably give you of the later
Predator movies, I couldprobably give you.
Yeah, yeah, I could probablygive you, like Predators, the
one where they've got the superPred.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Yeah, or I could give you, like the Predator, the one
that came out in like what 2018that Shane Black did?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Oh yeah, okay yeah, I remember that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Yeah, that one I can probably give you that one,
because I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Have you seen Prey?
I have, I have.
I liked Prey.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Yeah, no, prey was fucking great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I really want more.
Yes, we're going to get more.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yes Are we yeah, yeah , yeah that guy's working on a
sequel right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Oh man, that's such a good movie.
Yeah, yeah, I really liked.
I really like it was actuallyreally really good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Prey was like felt like.
It felt like a predator movieyes, I would put prey right up
there with like romulus, towhere it's like saving the
franchise, you know, kind of athing okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
So what you're saying is is that I might be able to
convince you to come on for aregular episode about prey.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah no, that one, that one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, you're good there okay, um, so yeah, no,
this movie.
I guess really the the onething that I want to end with
this on is can you identifyanything that could have saved
this movie?
Is there anything that couldhave saved this movie?
Is there anything that couldhave actually made this a good

(01:02:02):
movie?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Not making it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, okay, I'll go along with it, leaving it the
fuck alone.
Yep, the roll credits.
That's awesome.
Yeah, no, that's really.
Yeah, no, that's uh, that'sreally really uh.
All I've got I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
I'll put it like this right when they, when they
crash the ship, when they crashthe ship into the earth and, uh,
you know, you think about, likethe millions of people that
they potentially killed whenthey crashed the ship into the
earth, the collateral damagethat was done there, and you're
like you know, I wonder how manymillions of people they killed
when they crashed the ship intothe earth, the collateral damage
that was done there, and you're, like you know, I wonder how
many millions of people theykilled when they crashed the
ship into the earth and why thefuck couldn't I have been one of

(01:02:44):
those people, instead of havingto sit through this dog shit
movie oh god this movie so badand I I've watched it three
times in two months oh god, dudeno.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
I've seen it twice in 20 years and it's still too
much yeah, oh god, yeah, it's sobad.
The nice thing is, though, isthat I don't have to worry about
reading or watching it againfor a long time.
So, now that I've done anepisode on it, so yeah, thanks
for coming on.
Do you got anything you want toplug now that I've done an
episode on it?

(01:03:19):
So yeah, thanks for coming on.
Do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
anything you want to plug, let's see here.
I mean, you know if you're gamefor.
You know loud, angry nonsense.
We've got Mortal DesireD-E-Z-I-R-E because you know
spelling's hard.
You can find that on YouTube,spotify.
You know spelling's hard, um,you can, uh, you can find that
on YouTube, uh, spotify.
You know all of the otherstreaming sites, uh, that is the
, uh, the music project I'vebeen attached to for the last

(01:03:44):
like 20 years, Um, otherwise,you, you can find me deep the
gnome, uh, t H, a gnome, um, onYouTube or Instagram, uh, again,
more, you know guitar centric,uh, you know loud, angry music
nonsense, uh, and then probablyhere in about another month or

(01:04:05):
so, I may or may not be able totalk about another music project
I've got coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Uh, at the moment I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I have to keep my mouth shut on it, but uh yeah,
uh there.
There may or may not besomething else that I've got
coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
That's cool, I like it All right.
Well, and you know what mythroat's been doing, this whole
weird thing this whole time.
So I'm just going to say youknow what.
You know all the stuff.
Contact at movie-rxcom Call ortext at 402-519-5790.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Get a hold of me if you want to do an episode, and
if you've got a movie that meanssomething to you, or if you've
got a movie you want to bitchabout, we can do that too.
Go ahead and get a hold of me.
So thanks again, and we'll seeyou at the next appointment.
Thank you.