October 11, 2024 • 60 mins
What happens when Drew Goddard and Joss Whedon lock themselves in a hotel room for a weekend with a mind to make a horror film? Cabin in the Woods is what happens. Join Dr. Benjamin and Derrick as they discuss this gem, given to The Good Doctor by his guest to watch a flick from a genre outside of Dr. Benjamin's comfort zone.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hello and welcome to MovieRx Recreational Use, where
we set healing aside and watchjust to feel good.
I am the prescribing doctor, drBenjamin, and joining me today
is Derek Welcome, derek.
So we're trying another,something new.
Today we're doing recreationaluse.
So I've been running into thistrouble, derek, where there have
(00:53):
been people that have wanted tocome on the show and they've
wanted to do, they've wanted todo certain movies, but they said
they didn't really have anymedicine in it, that it was just
movies that they really, reallyliked.
So I came up with recreationaluse Because I don't know, I just
think that that might work.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Which that in its own form, could be considered
medicine.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Right, yeah, and maybe it's medicine for somebody
else and maybe that'll spurthem into getting a hold of me
and being like, hey, thatmovie's medicine for somebody
else and maybe that'll that'llspur him into getting getting a
hold of me and being like, hey,that movie's medicine for me.
Well, let me know, I let youkind of throw some ideas at me
and, uh, ultimately you let mepick.
Uh, I think what was it between?
Was it between scream and cabinin the woods?
(01:41):
I think was kind of the.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I think that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, something like that I was trying to go with
something that was definitelyHalloween yeah, and well, I've
seen Scream and I had never seenCabin in the Woods, and it was
an opportunity to watch a newmovie that I hadn't seen yet, so
I went with that.
Today we're talking about Cabinthe woods.
(02:05):
Uh, basic movie info on thisone it's MGM pictures, released
in 2012,.
Uh, directed by Drew Goddard.
Stars Christine Connolly, uhThor and Anna Hutchinson
Hutchison.
The IMDB description on thisone a group of kids go to a
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remote cabin in the woods wheretheir fate is unknowingly
controlled by technicians aspart of a worldwide conspiracy.
Where all horror movie clichesare revealed to be part of an
elaborate sacrifice ritual.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I'd say that's relatively accurate.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Nothing like, yeah, nothing like giving it all right
up front, like I mean, that is,that is the movie like the
whole movie all right.
Well, uh, we'll see at the nextappointment.
I'm just kidding, so.
So tell me why.
Why was this one that you hadkind of suggested?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
so, yeah, the the thing with this one is that,
like it is yeah, I mean itdefinitely does talk about all
of the, the, the various likehorror movie tropes and horror
movie cliches, right uh, but itputs a lot of that shit on its
head and it has this uh, thisunderlying story that that winds
up like taking all of thesethose uh cliches and tropes and
(03:23):
it does something actually likereally interesting with them.
Uh, this is, you know, this wasan example of like Joss Whedon,
like actually doing somethinggood, uh and uh, and not like
like doing the doing the JossWhedon, that like we expect.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Right, right.
Um, well, I mean becausethere's.
There is one notable thing fromJoss Whedon that we've, that
we've talked about.
That isn't.
It isn't so great.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, yeah, we're coming right off the heels of
doing you know, doing the AlienResurrection episode, so like
trying really really hard not tobeat the shit out of Joss
Whedon right now.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, he's he.
He had some questionablejudgment for that one, but but
this one he kind of goes backinto into what we expect from
joss whedon, and that'sinteresting storytelling.
This movie caught me off guardbecause when you, when you, told
me to watch this, I I startedwatching this movie thinking
that it was just going to be a,a horror movie at a cabin in the
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woods.
And then there's all thiscorporate shit going on at the
beginning of the movie.
You know, when we get the titlecard and I'm like what the fuck
?
Does this have anything to dowith a cabin?
And then I started seeing allthe stuff, as they're putting
everything in and all this otherstuff, and and then and then
I'm like wait a second, likeokay, so so is this like have
you ever seen the game?
(04:50):
Yeah, yeah, how, how hisbrother pays for this giant
elaborate game where he's inreal life being like fucked with
by people Like he's, he thinkshe's being chased by people
trying to kill him and all ofthat.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah totally.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But at the end it just ends up being a complete, a
complete game and just yeah,whatever.
I totally thought that that'swhat this was Like.
That Crimson, chris Hemsworth'scousin, had bought them this
trip to a place where you get athrill at a cabin in the woods
and they just didn't tell himthat that's what that was.
That was, but it.
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It just keeps going Like so.
Every time something happens,every time some new goddamn
thing comes up, I'm just likeWhoa, what the fuck?
And so now I'm looking at likeIlluminati shit and I'm like
what the fuck?
You kind of threw me for a loopwith this movie.
Cause you kind of threw me fora loop with this movie because I
didn't know what to expect andI still didn't all the way up to
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the end of the movie.
I'm like what the fuck am Iwatching?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's that's the good thingabout it.
Yeah, because it gets.
It gets deeper and weirder anddeeper and weirder and you're
like, wait, what the like?
This started out as like a bad,fucking evil dead ripoff and
now it's turned into likefucking, like Lovecraft, like
what the fuck am I looking at?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
here, man Right, the like the Tim design character,
the the Mordecai.
I thought for sure he was justgoing to be some goofy actor or
whatever, but then they calledhim on the phone and then they
started giving him shit on thephone, like you know, when he
starts talking about, you knowthe god, the old gods, and, and
you know he starts telling himare you wait?
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do you have me on?
Do you have me on speakerphone?
You know they're just fuckingwith him and it's like wait a
second.
This guy sounds like some kindof a true believer, like right
exactly and these other, theseother people don't so many, but
but they are you've got so manylike weird juxtapositions in
there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Uh, yeah, you know where you've got like some of
this.
Uh, you know you've got like,yeah, the, the government guys,
the like manhattan project, youknow kind of a thing like it.
Like these guys that areworking in like you know,
fucking they.
They seem like they're workingin like Los Alamos or something
like in New Mexico or some shitRight Like on Area 51, they're
building a bomb, kind of a thing, right.
But, then you also have, youknow from that environment.
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You have like some of this likeoffice space kind of like
fuckery, that you know thatwinds up happening throughout,
the throughout the whole thing.
You know that that you see fromthese guys and yeah, yeah, that
that bullshit, the whole thing.
You know that, uh, that you seefrom these guys and yeah, yeah,
that that bullshit of.
Like you know, am I onspeakerphone right now?
Uh, no, no, I wouldn't do thatto you as he's, as he's doing
this to you I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's so much fun.
So about this movie you got uh,it looks like it had a 30
million million budget.
Now the box office return, the$66.5 million return is that US
and Canada, or is that worldwide?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think that's worldwide is what it wound up
getting is $66.5.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Okay, so it actually didn't make a ton of money.
I mean, it doubled its money.
But like in the grand scheme ofthings, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So, like this, this has a hit, uh, an interesting
history when it comes to likethe release behind it, because
it was an mgm movie.
It was mgm and united artists,that, uh, that originally
created this movie and then mgmwent bankrupt like in the middle
of the, uh you know, like themovie came out and they were
going to try to make it 3d, eventhough like nobody wanted it to
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be fucking 3d mgm's like no, wehave to make this 3d because
they're stupid and uh, you knowand like you, understandably
enough, because they're fuckingdumb they wound up going
bankrupt in the middle of this,uh, this whole thing, and they
shelled the movie while theywere going through bankruptcy
and so the movie sat on afucking shelf and collected dust
(08:49):
for like two years untilLionsgate bought it and then
they actually put the movie out.
So it didn't get an opportunityto make the money that it did
until after like two and a halfyears after it had been done and
, like Chris helmsworth uh hadalready became like thor by that
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point.
So like it was actually like itwas made before thor was
released, but then it wasreleased after thor.
So like that might have beenpart of why people actually
noticed the movie and likeactually decided to watch it
because hey, it's that Thor,fucking guy.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He just looks younger yeah, well, and he would have
too, because I mean he wasplaying what like a high school
kid or a college kid orsomething in this, and by the
time you see him in Thor.
Yeah, by the time you see himin Thor, he's like I mean, well,
he's Thor, you know like mid20s, yeah, so easily and you
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know and like and he had.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He had bulked up by, you know.
I mean he was the size of atleast three other people by the
time he came around to beingthor right, right, um.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So drew goddard.
What do you know about him?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
uh, so traditionally that, uh, he's a, he's a writer.
Uh was mostly what he wasassociated for.
Um, yeah, he, he worked onactually, he worked on like
shows with, uh, joss whedon, so,uh, you know he was a writer on
buffy, he worked on lost, alias.
You know a few other shows.
Uh, he is the guy that broughtus uh, daredevil from like the
(10:21):
netflix daredevil the one that'sactually good.
Uh, he is the creator of that.
So, uh, you know that, that'sactually you know that was
pretty cool, but I mean, that'skind of the gist of it.
He's mostly known as being awriter, uh, instead of a
director.
This was actually, I think,like the first movie that he
ever did where he was directingoh, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, I mean.
Well, it gets him kind of intoa different, into a different
scope on on the movie business,which I mean.
Well, it gets him kind of intoa different, into a different
scope on on the movie business,which I mean any any actor who's
gone, producer and director,will tell you the more, the more
, the more positions that youknow how to take in in Hollywood
, the better, like the morerelevant you're going to stay
over a course.
(11:00):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean there'stotally that whole like grab
your ankles position thathollywood loves, yeah yeah, and
I mean if, if you can get out ofthat position and get into the
you know where you're, not theone grabbing your ankles, that's
, that's always better for you.
Um, but uh, but yeah, I meanthe well I mean we kind of
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already talked a little bitabout.
I mean, drew Goddard didn't dothe writing, he just directed
the film.
But the writing was done by JossWhedon Both of them wrote it
Right Now, joss Whedon and DrewGoddard writing it like.
I see that you have it on hereand I remember putting it down
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in my notes, the the screenplaywas done in a weekend.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like both of them.
Both of them came off of moviesthat like didn't do well, I
don't remember what the movieswere, but like Joss Whedon had a
movie that like shit the bed,drew Drew Goddard had a movie
that shit the bed, and then, aslike a coping mechanism, they
locked themselves in a fuckinghotel room and just banged, you
know, just banged out thisfucking, uh, this script in like
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a three-day weekend that's likeI mean, doesn't that just sound
like a fun thing to do, like if, if you were yes, if you had
clout in hollywood as being ableto write, write a a screen like
, wouldn't that just besomething that you'd want to do
Like once every couple of months?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
just be like, hey, I'm going to go and get a hotel
room in you know Bora Bora andI'm just like, leave me the fuck
alone and all goddamn weekendI'm just going to do nothing but
right, and then then just justpound out a fucking script for a
movie, like, how fucking coolwould that be?
I'd I'd just thinking abouthaving the opportunity to be
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able to do that.
To me just sounds like itsounds like a dream it could be
a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It could also be uh, you know, it could also be a
special kind of hell.
Um, I don't know.
It depends on, like, what kindof movies you're making.
If you're writing a movie likethis in that kind of a three-day
ground and pound, all right,yeah, no, that could be a whole
lot of fun.
If you're doing dramas orsomething in that kind of a time
span, I don't know, man, thatsounds very Bukowski.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, well and just Well.
Well then you're not puttingenough thought into something
like that, cause I mean thatwhen you start making those
kinds of movies, like, could youimagine how different like,
like, like, uh, goodwill hunting, if that would have been
written in a weekend, howdifferent do you think that
movie would have been?
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
um, yeah, yeah, that that potentially could have been
extremely different.
I don't know.
Uh, like Affleck's charactermight've been different, you
know it might've.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
You know his, his character may not have been like
even remotely likable as it wasright, but he was the bomb in
phantoms yo um applesauce.
Yeah, uh, actually, I saw thatthat's up on paramount plus, I
(14:08):
think, uh, as phantoms, uh, amovie that you can watch,
phantoms, yeah, so I might haveto give that a watch, but, uh,
but you're also.
I also like the.
The commentary you have in hereis that this movie was meant to
be both a love letter and amiddle finger to the modern
horror genre.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, I could definitely see that this
particular movie was like.
He is a huge fan of horrormovies, right, big fan of like
classic horror, you know, enjoysthe, the, the suspense and the,
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the effort that people put intothe monsters and the buildup
and everything like that.
What he didn't like was some ofthe cliches of like teenagers
being stupid, right, you know,like slasher flicks where it's
always the.
You know the kids that go offinto the woods to smoke a little
bit of pot, nope, nope, they'reall fucking dead.
(15:04):
They're sinners.
You know, like he wasn't a hugefan of that kind of nonsense and
he definitely wasn't a big fanof like the horror porn, the
torture porn that we wererunning into in like the early
2000s, like that porn that, uh,that we were running into in
like the early 2000s, like that.
You know, with like the other,um, oh, god damn it.
Uh, what the?
What the hell is the, thefucking?
You know like the eli roth kindof, uh kind of horror movies of
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like hostile, where you justyou watch people die in like
horrible fucking ways, butthere's nothing, there's nothing
supernatural about it, there'snothing suspenseful about it.
Really, it's just you'rewatching somebody getting like
garrotted on, uh, on fuckinglike reality tv, right.
Uh, it just it takes all of theartistry out of it.
So he took all of these clichesand then he really just like put
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them on their head.
So it was like, okay, I'm gonnamake a horror movie that I
actually want to make and we'regonna, you know, we're gonna
bring in elements of like shitthat made horror, horror, which
is why you've got like a lot oflike Lovecraftian kind of things
in here.
But then we're also going totake all of these cliches and
we're going to make themactually mean something.
And that was, you know, builtinto as being like part of the
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ritual.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Right, and like the well, in the ritual itself, like
it's pretty obscure throughmost of the movie.
Like I mean, they did and theydo it purposely, like you know,
after, after the first death,then they, they pull the thing
and then you know the, the, thebasin fills with blood and then
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it fills up.
You know these little troughsand you know the whatever, but
it's like they're only showingyou little bits and pieces at a
time.
Uh, you, you kind of get ageneral idea of what's going on,
but but they don't really showyou until until, like, until
you're really ready to see it,uh, until you're, right, almost
frustrated with how much youdon't know.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
um, yeah, yeah, like everything goes like completely
off the rails and like the, youknow, in the, uh, the third act,
when just everything goescompletely to hell.
But if you're somebody that'sused to watching these kind of
movies, you start to figure itout and like they, they subtly,
and you know it gets mentionedas like commentary later on in
the movie, but like suddenlythey kind of all start to fall
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into their roles that are likethose cliche kind of roles where
you get like the other, thejock leader guy, and you get the
chick, that's kind of the whoreperson, and you get like the
other, the, the innocent virginchick, and like the good guy,
nerd guy, you know, and like allof these, uh, you know they fit
into the, the positions of allof these like horror movie
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tropes that you start torecognize, even if they weren't
those people at the beginning ofthe movie, except for the
stoner dude, like that guy.
That guy was the fuckingpothead like at the very
beginning of the movie and hewas the pothead at the very end.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I love that character .
As far as all the characters inthis movie, I think he's
probably probably my favorite.
Yeah, um, and well, okay, himand the, uh, the quote unquote
good guy, um, but that's justbecause, like, oh man, I'm I'm
really putting myself out therenow but uh, but he's, his
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character in Grey's Anatomy isone of my favorites.
But, uh, but he's, hischaracter in Grey's Anatomy is
one of my favorites.
Um, and so, like when, when hepopped up in this movie, he was
a lot younger but I was like, ohwow, like he's in here too.
Um, he does a really good job.
Uh, actually, what I reallylike about him is the healthy
masculinity that he shows.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Healthy masculinity that heshows.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, where he'slike the jock.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
that's not a piece of shit yeah, and well, he's, he's
respectful, he's not afraid toshow affection, he, um, he's uh
also honorable, like I mean he,he.
He struggled a little bit therewith the, with the mirror, the
one-way mirror yep, yep but somesomewhat under.
Someone understand like he mayhave had like a little bit of a
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little bit of a struggle there,but no, you're absolutely right
yeah, he uh he was like no, no Ican't be a dick, I can't do
this yep, and then he traded herrooms and that was cool, um, so
yeah, I really I really likedthe healthy masculinity part of
of um, uh, of the holden um.
But marty, oh jesus, hisconspiracy theory, shit from the
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beginning all the way throughto the end it was just.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I love that I'm gonna go look at a book with pictures
.
Oh hey, the bond mug.
Yeah, the the, the fucking thebond mug.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know that thing, really, that was a real thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah it wasfunctional as both.
Yeah, yeah, five grand to makethat damn thing.
That's's so awesome.
Uh, I mean, they're they'retotally uh going to have to
figure out how to make that notso expensive, um, especially
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especially as everybody startslegalizing that shit right
Everywhere.
Um, but, uh, yeah, that mug was.
Oh, yeah, I see that you have.
I see now that you have that asas a thing on here thing on
here, the bong coffee mug thing.
Yeah, okay, so we kind oftalked about Mordecai a little
bit, but tell me what you thinkabout Mordecai.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So, yeah, I mean, when you made the comment about
the true believer, yeah, it'stotally nail on the head, right.
And when you're talking about,like you know, horror movie
tropes that you have to have,you know, yeah, the creepy gas
station attendant that is,that's absolutely a fucking
requirement, right, like youwould have, uh, you would have
had that thing in like stephenking movies.
You would have had that um I, Ithink you had a creepy gas
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station attendant in um, well,you might not have had that in
um evil, but you definitely hadit, like the Jason movies, or
you would have, you know, somesome like creepy local that was
around.
You had to have something likethat.
So definitely like checks thebox right of the, the guy that
says creepy shit while you're onthe way.
So, yeah, it totally worked.
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And then I mean that the actorthat they used for that is just
perfect for for that particularrole.
And then when they, when theydid the whole speakerphone thing
, uh, where it turned, you know,it devolves into this like
office space, you know, likeshtick, um, I thought it was
fucking great.
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Uh, it was probably a little unnecessary, but it was
still funny I still loved itbecause it it was like I mean,
what if you took one of what, ifyou took that character from
those movies and put him intothe real world, like I mean,
that's exactly what that was,because you know, every time you
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see that character in a movie,he's not the kind to have a cell
phone, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, exactly, see that character in a movie.
He's not the kind to have acell phone, you know, yes,
exactly, but they're just likeyou know, the, the attitude that
they have towards him is like Ican't even with this fucking
guy is, uh, you know, is wherethey have.
You know, is where they have itbecause, like the, you can tell
that some of the people thatare actually like working at the
office, um, or at the base orthe center or whatever the
bunker, whatever the the hell itis, um, you can tell that
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they're a little bit jaded atthe whole process.
Like none of them are like truebelievers.
It's just a job at this point,right, whereas you've still got
this guy, this bumpkin, where heis completely bought the fuck
in, where he's like no, no manthis is all gods and monsters
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and the lambs and we're doingsome shit.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, the the backwoods, the backwoods, true
believer?
Um, like uh, the the guy on onuh south park, you know?
Oh, you don't go down that rodright, exactly um now, uh, talk
to talk to me about the stonerconspiracy theories.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh man.
So I mean, he's got quite a fewof like his various you know
conspiracy theories, but like hestarts to, at the very
beginning, he's starting torecognize that like wait a
minute, there's like shit thatdoesn't make sense here.
Because you know he starts torecognize, you know, when
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everybody is starting to fallinto the trope that's needed for
the ritual, right, you knowwhere you've got like the guy
that falls into being thescholar and the guy that falls
into being the jock or theleader and the chick that falls
into being the whore or whatever.
He's like these people don'tact this way.
You know like he's talkingabout you know chris, chris
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helmsworth character, uh, andhe's like you know when, when
did he start acting like all,like misogynistic and shit like
I, I know this guy, he's asociology major.
You know like he's on a fullride scholarship.
Why is he acting like a dumbass?
Right, you know he starts to.
You know he starts to see thisshit and he's like wait a
fucking minute.
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Like, right, this isn't, thisdoesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And that's where he makes the comment of like we're
not who we are, um, and thenhe's like I'm gonna go look at a
book with pictures and it windsup being finding nemo well, and
with that whole likeeverybody's falling into these,
into these categories that theyneed to be, for you know, a
horror flick, I'm like with allof that stuff, I was like, okay,
so is everybody in on it exceptfor you know?
(24:24):
Like, except for these people,or whatever.
Yeah, like is the stoner andthe the virgin girl?
Are they the ones that are thatare not in on it, or whatever?
And then, like I, everythingfrom the.
I think one of the first thingsthat crossed my mind was is this
how is this?
How this studio makes horrorflicks is that they put kids
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into this situation and theyfilm it from all angles, and
then they, and then you know,after it's all done, then they
go oh yeah, we just made ahorror movie.
You guys are the stars, youknow, or whatever.
Like I just I didn't know whatthe fuck was going on, um, but
but my question is is that, likeit was, was this kind of one of
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those things where it's likepeople fell into those
categories because they weresupposed to, or like I mean, I
did, I guess I didn't catch ifthere was something that was
happening to them that made themgo into those, into those roles
?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
so some of it, some of it, they showed that there
was a little bit of manipulationin there.
They they had talked about youknow there were pheromones that
they were spraying into therooms and you know things to
where they were trying tocontrol the variables a little
bit.
Or they had, like, extra spikedyou know, some of the, some of
the booze, or they were messingwith, like you know, the, the
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dude's weed, you know, likethings like that.
Where they were, they weremessing with certain things to
try to steer variables as muchas possible, uh, to where maybe
they might have, they might'vehad, like a potential
predisposition to some of these,uh, these particular, uh like
roles or particular attitudes.
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Uh, and they were uh, messingwith the variables to steer them
in that direction, whateverdirection they needed them to be
in, as much as possible.
Like you know, using ChrisHelmsworth's character as an
example, to where you know, okay, yeah, he's, yeah, he might be
a sociology major, but he isalso a jock and he is also, like
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you know, this guy that's likenatural leader kind of a thing.
So what do we do to kind ofsteer him in the direction of
potentially being a bit morejock?
Ish, right, uh, you know towhere we have him as the athlete
and less as like the sociologyguy.
And so there were certainthings that were manipulated
(26:52):
that had him falling a littlebit more into that particular
role instead of going likepotentially being the scholar,
right, because they needed that,they needed that to be the
other guy, uh, you know, the, uh, the, the, the other, the, the
nerd, right?
Uh, so they, you know theyneeded to make sure that people
fit into the particular roles,and so they just messed with the
variables as much as they couldto kind of get them to
(27:16):
naturally fall into those places, because the kids themselves
still had to make decisions,they had to choose to do the
certain things that they did.
But, uh, they could fuck withthe variables as much as they
could to like get them to fallinto those roles, right?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
well, and yeah, I, I kind of remember that with, like
the, you know the, thepheromones coming up out of the
ground and stuff like that.
For you know, when they were,uh, when they were trying to get
busy and they were trying toget the obligatory, uh, boob
shot, you know, and all of thatstuff, and that's when I that's
when I thought they were makinga movie.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, the the problematic sex scene that
probably wouldn't sell intoday's day and age.
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So, like, I mean, that scene made me think that
maybe they were making a movie,because that's like, oh,
checking a box, you know, got tohave the topless hot girl, you
know, or whatever.
So I thought maybe that that'swhat they were doing.
But then you know, but thenthings keep going, you know,
like uh, well, I mean she getskilled, so, um, but yeah, I, I
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do love, I do love how, how,like the uh, that everybody just
kind of fits into those roles,even though they didn't really
at the beginning, like I meanthey, they were just kind of a
well-rounded group of friendsthat didn't really have.
I mean, because because if you,if you go, if you put those
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people into those categoriesright from the beginning, then
there's no way that any of thesepeople are friends.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But right, Exactly that's where it starts to become
like a horror movie stereotypeor horror movie cliche.
At that point, even with likethe nerdy innocent chick right,
the chick that's supposed to bethe virgin character.
Even like towards the end ofthe movie, when they say the
(29:13):
virgin and they look at her andshe's like what the fuck?
You mean virgin?
They're like we work with whatwe've got.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Right.
So let's see here Some of the,some of the quotes you have on
here.
Like I, some of the, some ofthe stuff was really good, like
the I'm going to go for a walk.
Like how he heard heard thewhisper, I'm going to go for a
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walk and then like yeah, I'm theboss of my own brain.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'm going to go for a walk and then like, yeah, I'm
the boss of my own brain.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm gonna go for a walk.
Yeah, that's good stuff, um,and husband bulge from oh, my
god from the book.
Yep, that's a husband bulge, bythe way.
Yeah, um valiant effort withthe mug bong.
(30:10):
Oh, when he pulls it out into abaseball bat, he starts using
the mug trying to kill the other, the redneck zombie yeah, what
was that family called?
What was it?
It was like buckner's bucknerfamily I don't remember that, oh
buckner, that's right.
Yeah, because, yeah, yeah'tremember that, oh Buckner,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, cause he's like , yeah, it's the Buckner family.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
He's like.
He's like oh, here comes JonahBuckner to the, to the rescue,
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like yeah, and that was like mentioning the
Buckner's is actually a reallyimportant part of the, the, the,
the, the storyline a little bitof of like the
choose-your-own-adventure story,right, you know, like when
they're in the bunker andeverybody's betting as to, like,
what kind of story this isgoing to be, whether it's going
(30:56):
to be zombies or if it's goingto be the Merman, or you know if
it's going to be like theWishcom Hellraiser crew, you
know, like they're all you knowthey've got these bets on like
what the story is going to be,and they're in the basement with
all of these various uh props,right, and, and it's going to be
(31:16):
okay, whichever one decides tostick on this, whether it's
going to be like the puzzle ballor the creepy fucking doll in
the jewelry box thing or thediary, and it winds up being the
diary and it's like, oh, we gotthe Buckners All right, cool,
here we go.
This is the story that we'regoing with and that winds up
being extremely importantbecause they, you know once
(31:38):
again messing with variables,but the kids still have to make
the decision right.
The group in the, you know,they still have to make the
decision right.
The group, they still have tomake the decision as to where
this is going to go, and so theymake the decision as to what
kind of monsters are going towind up, killing them and making
them the sacrifice to the oldgods.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Right, and the way that they do that, the things
that they way that they do that,like the, the things that they
can choose to to do, that endsup being like a nod to
everything that you've ever seenin horror flicks.
Now, I'm not, I'm notwell-versed in horror movies
like that.
It's, it's really not my genre.
I think the whole point of mypodcast is finding meaning in
(32:23):
movies and I've always kind offelt like like you don't really
get a whole lot of that inhorror flicks, because the point
of a horror flick is to scareyou, right, I'm sure that for
plenty of people they are, um,but it's like, but from from my,
my experiences, it's like if Iwant a good thrill, then I watch
(32:46):
a horror flick, you know, andand like I don't know, I guess
I'm just not really much into it.
But I mean not saying that Idon't like horror movies because
I do.
Uh, it's almost every time Iwatch one, like, even if I don't
want to watch it, by the timeI'm done I'm like that was a
good movie, um, but but eveneven I recognized some, some of
(33:11):
those uh nods to other, to otherfranchises, like the, the
hellraiser puzzle ball, yep, youknow the, the guy with the,
with the saw blades coming outof his head and all that shit um
yep yeah, there's, there's
Speaker 2 (33:27):
references to like other horror movies, like all
over the fucking place.
Uh, you know the the the partin there where, like she's
reading the diary and uh, youknow, and like there's something
in latin in there, and thestoner dude's like I'm drawing a
line in the fucking sand, donot read the latin you help?
As she proceeds to read.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Of course she does and then that's when shit gets
fucked up.
Yeah, right, no, that's uh,that's really good.
I like that.
Um.
Well, and there at the end youkind of see everything coming
together.
You know, like the uh, likeyou've got the under underworld
(34:08):
with the, with the werewolf umyeah, you've got the the
werewolves in there.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You've got like every zombie movie ever.
You know that, uh, that pops upum the other.
You know the the weird, likepeople in the mass.
You know that, uh, there'sprobably a reference to like the
strangers or something, um, andthe other rituals that they're
talking about you know, with uhwith like stockholm, japan bonus
eras, uh, you know, that'sobviously like the thing.
(34:35):
Uh, the ring and king kong, youknow, uh like, you've got like
references to that kind of stuffin there yeah and uh, I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I just thought that was really kind of neat how they
it was.
It was almost like anexplanation for why these are
horror movies like that.
They're all that.
All of the horror movies thathave ever existed have been
inspired by something that is,quote, unquote, real.
You know?
Um, right, yep, exactly, just,I don it.
Just it added a little bit of acomedic level to it for me.
(35:09):
And speaking of comedic level,I love how your note simply says
Hemsworth's death.
Lol.
Just I mean, it was soridiculous, right yeah, just
(35:31):
fucking going crazy and beinglike okay, I'm gonna save you
all, I'm gonna make this, I'mgonna make it count and I'm even
if I get across that thing andI have to crawl my way to help
I'm gonna get people to comeback and help you I'm coming
back with guns and cops andchoppers and he's just, he's got
this big fucking hero speechright, just uh, just for him to
(35:55):
like slam into the fucking thingright, the the force field wall
or whatever the hell it isright, he slams into that and
just fucking, just brutally justdead.
Not just, not just kind of dead,just fucking dead and
immediately just as soon as hehits the fucking thing where
he's like, fuck yeah, and thenboom, just smashes on that thing
(36:17):
and just fucking all the waydown, just fucked yeah, yeah,
that was, that was really good,like I mean, I I had kind of
thought about it before he didit because of the because of the
Eagle at the beginning.
You know into the wall.
So I yeah, so I was like, ohwell, maybe I mean maybe they,
(36:40):
maybe that was just an oversightor something like that.
But no, nope, nope.
Then as sure as shit, boom andit's like, okay, never mind,
fucking.
Yeah, hems withstead was uh,death was really good in this
movie.
Um, uh, the good guy deservedbetter yeah, he just yeah that
was kind of a shit death, wasn'tit?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
yeah, yeah, it was just a very unceremonious thing
we're like and you you knewbecause there was a reference in
there.
You know, you see the bloodyhandprint on the camper when
they get on the camper, on thecamper door you know that, like
you know, you know there's abuckner in there somewhere
that's gonna like pop up right,some redneck zombie that's gonna
do something, and you made itall the way through the tunnel.
(37:24):
You made it all the way toHemsworth's death.
And then they're driving.
You know that somebody's comingout of the woodwork somewhere,
but it's just like out ofnowhere, stabbed in the neck,
bleeds out, crashes the camperand he's just dead.
That's all there is to.
(37:45):
It is just dead.
Come on, man, you could havegiven him something right if it
felt cheap, um yeah I'm like you.
I mean, like I said, he was oneof my favorites.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
You got a better death right, and it was just
like god man, like seriously,like can we, can we just like
give him something a little bitbetter?
I mean, the guy was in Grey'sAnatomy, sure.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I'll give you like I've actually have never seen a
single episode, really.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
It's not too bad, like I mean, my, my niece would
really be upset with me forhearing me say it, but it's.
It's not the greatest show ontelevision, but it's not bad.
It's not the greatest show ontelevision, but it's not bad.
And if you want, if you want towatch a TV show with your
girlfriend, that you'reconceding something you know
(38:36):
like you're compromising, butit's something that you can
actually watch and it's not toohorrible Then then it's a good,
it's a good series for that, butthat you'll have it for the
rest of your life, because, ohmy god, there's like 30 seasons
of it or something.
But um, but yeah, this, uh, butlike I mean he, he just gets
(39:00):
killed for like no, like, withno entry at all, it's just
boring, boring, boring death,and then that leads very quickly
into, uh, into the last one.
Well, what?
What we perceive as the lastone?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, you know, yeah.
So it leaves us with the, thequote unquote virgin Right,
virgin right.
And that that also leads intoprobably one of the more insane
parts of the whole fucking movie.
Uh, with the like the postcocktail party, right, because
they're like the death of thevirgin is optional.
Everybody else has got tofucking die, but this chick is
(39:42):
optional.
Uh, as to whether or not theydie, you know she dies and they
leave her to potentially be likejust beaten to death by zombie
redneck while they're all goingthrough their fucking cocktail
party, right, you know where?
Like, you got people drinkingand they're hanging out and
they're talking shit and they'rethey're lamenting about, like,
the bet that they lost, andyou've got the intern that's
(40:05):
like trying to be cool.
You got the one guy that'strying to get laid like and it's
just.
You have this like mundaneoffice party going on, while in
the background, on the giantscreen, you have this chick
that's being just brutallybeaten to death by a redneck
zombie being beaten.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's just fucking nuts.
Yeah, yeah, uh, and and I don't, I don't know that most people
would really have caught that,but uh, but yeah, that was
something.
That was something that justkind of wow, how sick are these
people like what the hell isthis exactly?
And that's when I mean when Istill, like you know, was it
(40:42):
illuminati?
Was it know what the fuck isgoing on here?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And right, and it goes, yeah, and even at that
point, you're still clueless.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you are pretty, uh, youare pretty clueless as to what's
going on and it does, you knowit.
It goes back towards thatcommentary, uh that underlying
commentary, for the, uh, thepeople that are in the bunker,
of how kind of blah they'vebecome to the whole thing, uh,
(41:06):
which goes more towards, like,towards the end of the movie,
where they're like, well, fuckit, let's just let it end, uh,
because they've, you know,they've just gotten so used to
the whole thing and socomplacent to the whole thing,
uh, to the, the, the ritual that, like, they've made it a, you
know, you get used to it.
(41:26):
And the other, the black dudes,like, should you like, are we
supposed?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
to get used to this.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
You know, are we supposed to just become
complacent into this?
Because it's pretty fucked upwhen you think about it.
Like this whole thing's reallyfucked up.
We should not be just takingthis as like it's another day at
the office.
We shouldn't be making bets onthis or anything along those
lines.
Another day at the office weshouldn't be making bets on this
or anything along those lines.
So, yeah, like that, you knowthat, that cocktail party with
the other, the debt, you knowthe, the beaten to death on the
(41:52):
big screen, like that's justcontinuing on the commentary of
you know, yeah, as you said,like how fucked up are these
people to where?
Like they just they havenothing.
They have like almost literallynothing as far as like empathy
is concerned for these, thesefive people that have pretty
much just been brutally killedso that the rest of us can
continue to live right, I meanin the grand scheme of things,
(42:15):
like yeah, it's, it's the needsof the many kind of kind of an
argument.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
But right, like, at what point do you start enjoying
it?
Because that's, that's whatthey were doing.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
They were enjoying it at certain points it totally
turned into entertainment.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah yeah, and so it's like I despise the idea
that humanity could get to apoint, that, that humans could
actually get to a point wheresomething, where they're so
desensitized to something likethat that they're like oh wow,
this is oh well, we're alreadyfucking there, man.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You remember the movie series back in the late
90s that was like black marketmovies, Faces of Death.
Do you remember hearing aboutFaces of Death back in the day
when we were like middle school,early high school?
Like we're already there, man,you know, it's just being able
to separate yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Right and well, we're separating yourself or being
able to hold on to yourself, Iguess really, Because I mean
Jesus.
It kind of takes me to a whole,to a whole different franchise
with Harry Potter.
You know how do you split thesoul murder.
Or I mean, can you, can youreally like, do you really have
(43:37):
to go as far as murder can likejust simply drinking a cocktail
and watching a girl get beatento death and feeling nothing
about it?
Is that a possible way to splityour soul, or has it already
been split, like I don't?
Speaker 2 (43:54):
know, seems pretty fucked up to me.
And then we get to the other,the stoner lives.
Yes, we get to the big redphone that starts ringing and
they're like somebody's not dead.
Wait, what the fuck do you meansomebody's not dead?
I watched him fucking die andyou're thinking like, well, it
(44:14):
can't be the good guy because,like he got his throat ripped
out.
It's not the horse, she got herhead cut off.
I doubt it's Hemsworth becausehe, like he bounced like all the
way down right, so like he'snot just dead.
He's fucking dead, um, and thenof course, it's the goddamn
stoner.
(44:34):
It's the fucking stoner thatlives man.
You know he's the uh, the.
You know all of his conspiracytheory.
Shit just pops up and winds upbeing true, and you know yeah,
he pops up out of nowhere whereit's like he's still there I
mean seriously though.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
like think, think about, even in our circles, you
know, like if anybody's going tosurvive some shit like that,
it's going to be the pie, isgoing to be the burnouts, like
uh, probably, you know it isyeah, yeah.
Most of the uh, most of theburnouts.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I knew they're either going to be the first to die or
they're going to be the ones tolive.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, and, and going to be the ones to live, yeah,
and, and the ones, the ones thatdie, it's because they're, they
just don't know their limit.
The rest of them, it's because.
It's because there's they're.
You know, oh, man, like we all,we all know that pothead, that
one pothead who is like he'shigh functioning, the high
(45:27):
functioning pothead.
You know where he's not normalunless he's high functioning.
The high functioning pie head.
You know where he's not normalunless he's high, right, so, yep
, you know the guy who gets high.
And then that's when he notices, when you know when he starts
seeing the patterns and, and youknow, keeps everybody safe, um,
but yeah, yeah, he's, uh, thenhe finally gets, and then he
(45:48):
finally gets the win with the,with the mug bonk.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, they're, they're in the other, they're in
the elevator and like he'sfiguring out how to fucking like
hack his way into the other themaintenance elevator, and shit.
And you've got like the pile ofdead zombie that's over in the
corner and he's like oh yeah, Ihad to, I had to disassemble
that guy with a trowel.
And you can tell he's kind offucked up about it, but at the
(46:13):
same time he's also really justkind of even-keeled about it.
He's like oh yeah, I had tochop that guy into pieces with a
fucking trowel.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, his little one-liners.
You know, like the, you know,good job zombie hand.
You know like the, you know,good job zombie hand.
When the zombie hand grabbedthe security guy's leg and all
of that shit, His one-linerswere just crazy awesome.
(46:41):
Really good writing there.
Yeah, and this is about the timein the movie when they get into
the, when they get into theelevator and they start going
around like, like you have downhere that it's very 13,.
13 ghosts, like, uh, I would, Iwould definitely uh, agree with
that it's.
(47:02):
This is about the time that Istarted to think maybe maybe I
need to start thinking aboutthis movie from a different
perspective.
Maybe this is not a horrorflick, maybe this is just a
fucking hilarious movie, and itreally starts to.
It starts to look that way, youknow, cause.
Then they they, you know get inthere, they start seeing all
(47:24):
these other you know horrors andthings like that, um, uh, other
stereotype.
You know movie stereotypes andthings like that, um, uh, other
stereotype, you know moviestereotypes and things like that
, um, and then they just then,they just say fuck it and they
release it all and just carnage.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
And then you got a big fucking mess in carnage yep,
oh my god, that was so goodyeah, where you've got like all
of the other, the SWAT team guysthat like they get into the
hallway, they're looking aroundand then there's like the ding
from the elevator and the oneguy's just like fuck, and then
all hell breaks loose and it'sjust absolutely perfect and
(48:06):
everything comes out.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Everything, just everything goes wrong or right,
or whatever it is that you wantto call it.
It gets everywhere, even upinto the control room.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh, yeah, totally.
And and you know, and it's,it's.
It's kind of funny.
It's almost like a justdesserts kind of a thing,
because they've gotten so likecomplacent on the ritual and so
complacent on the monsters thatthey unleash on the kids, that
they sacrifice all the fuckingtime.
Well, now, now those monstershave come after them, right, you
know.
So it's like you know they're,they're finally getting what
(48:38):
they deserve, kind of a kind ofa thing.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah and and then, uh , you know, you like, uh you're,
you're doing really good withthe, with the shekhov's gun
thing but I like how you're howyou're giving, giving him
different tools.
So, uh, I'll let you take takeover on that well, like the
other, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So that that guy's character and I can't, uh, I for
the life, for the life of me, Ican't remember that actor's
name, but that guy is like, he'salways like that fucking guy.
He's, uh, he's a bit actor,like every time he shows up in a
movie it's he's always likethat fucking guy, he's, uh, he's
a bit actor, like every time heshows up in a movie it's a he's
always like that fucking guy,uh.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
But he's in there.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, that fucking guy, exactly, yes, um and uh,
yeah, he's uh, you know, likehe's talking shit the entire
time in the movie and he's likethe uh, the, the counterpart.
You know he's the uh, the, the,the Randall to the older guy's
Dante.
Right, if you will.
And you know, he's just he'stalking shit.
He's fucking around the entiretime, but he's also talking
(49:37):
about you know, it would havebeen better if we'd had a merman
, right.
He's mentioning a merman theentire time throughout the movie
of you know.
Yeah, I wish we'd have had amerman, wish we'd have had a
merman, wish we'd have had amerman.
And of course, there's nofucking merman right.
And then when all hell breaksloose and it gets up into the
control room and all thesemonsters are everywhere and
they're fucking people up andall this shit, and he's like
(50:00):
fuckered up on the groundsomewhere, like he's knocked
back or something along thoselines, and you know, you see
this figure that's like crawlingat him like an army crawl, that
just this thump, thump, thump,and then it kind of clears out
from some smoke and it's thegoddamn merman.
And even the actor, like helooks over and he's like are you
(50:23):
fucking kidding me?
and then he gets his face eatenby the goddamn merman that he's
wanted the whole goddamn movieit's like well you finally got
your fucking merman you finallygot your fucking deal with it
yep that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
And then we get down, then we get down into the, into
the chamber, yep, and that'swhere they finally start to
explain.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
You know, that's that's where they, you know they
explain finally, like the lastlittle bits of the movie plot
that you might not have piecedtogether yet.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Uh, they, they give it to you and, of course, it's
goddamn sigourney weaver thathas to fucking do it yep, I
loved it, like even even jen,when, when that popped up, jen
was even like was like, ofcourse it is.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
It was supposed to be jay, it was awesome it was
going to be jay curtisoriginally yeah, it was going to
be her originally and thatwould have been really fucking
cool, but I don't know if shewas, I don't know if she was
booked and doing something elseor if they decided to do, uh,
sigourney weaver instead.
But it actually just made iteven better because you've got,
you know, you've got sigourneyweaver, who was also, you know,
(51:33):
dana right from ghostbusterstalking to yet another dana from
cabin in the woods.
It's fucking great, justabsolutely like it was an
accident kind of a work, but itfucking worked was still awesome
.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah, no, it's her showing up was just, was, was
just awesome, and then, and thenshe just lays it out, like I
mean it's like what you'veexpected, like well, not really
expected, but they've.
They've been telling you thewhole time what's going on, you
know, but but I don't know it.
(52:05):
Just, it just seems to seemstoo simple.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Or something.
It was something that seemedtoo simple but at the same time
it fit.
It all kind of started to makesense of like, yeah, we have
this blood ritual, essentiallythat we're doing here, and it's
for the old gods, right, andthat's Joss Whedon with his
winky face.
Back to the other, the originalhorror, where it's Lovecraft.
(52:34):
That's it.
Goddamn Cthulhu man.
You know where Cthulhu was?
all about the old ones, was allabout the ancient ones and the
old gods and all this shit.
And so like they turn it intosomething like that of like we
have to placate the old gods orthey'll destroy the world, and
you're like, oh wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
now this takes a completely different kind of a
twist yeah and uh, and I mean itjust kind of surprised me, um,
that that it was just like Idon't know.
It got laid out and it was, andthis is.
This is when I finally decidedthat, yes, what I've been
watching has been a hilariousmovie, and maybe I take horror
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films too seriously sometimes, Iguess, sure, but I mean, my
takeaway from it was that thisis a horror flick that I can
laugh at, and not laugh at itbecause it's so absurd and
ridiculous, but I can laugh atit because it, because it's just
funny, it's genuinely funny.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Um, right, and that was the point.
And you know the like.
We didn't wanted to make a uh,he wanted to make a horror movie
that didn't take itself tooseriously.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
And he, he succeeded in in in a great fashion.
Now in in well, great fashion.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Now tell me about, tell me about the final scene
with the, uh, the old gods.
The final scene is actually, Imean it's, it's kind of funny
because you know you've gotthrough the whole thing.
You know you've got these guysthat are just like, oh, we're
just following orders, you know,kind of a thing, and then they
become complacent to it.
You know, with the, the, uh,the guys behind the blood ritual
, right, uh, to where they, theyhave a very, you know, we're
just following orders kind ofattitude and then they, they
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become very like, complacent andnumb to the whole thing, and
then that winds up biting themin the ass and then in the end
it winds up kind of being almostlike ethics uh, you know ethics
and loyalty, that kind of wins,where she's just like I'm sorry
, I tried to shoot you, I'msorry, you know, I'm sorry, I
let you get bitten by a werewolf, and they're like well, you
know, if this is a world where,like I have to kill my friend
(54:39):
for the world to survive, maybewe just don't let the world
survive, maybe we give somebodyelse a chance.
And so then at the end they'rejust sitting there at the stairs
and fucking dooder lights up ajoint and you know he's, you
know he's smoking his joint, hepasses it over to her.
They, you know she takes acouple of puffs and they're just
(55:00):
like.
You know, I wish I could haveseen him.
You know, big, fucking, bigangry gods.
I wish I could have seen thembefore.
Like everything goes to shit,right.
I wish I could have seen thembefore.
Like everything goes to shit,right.
And this, you know, I'd readthat this was kind of Whedon's
nod to one of the lines inAliens.
You know, between Gorman and, ohGod, god damn it, the, the, the
(55:26):
fucking, the, the chick,velasquez where, vas, velazquez
when you know, Vasquez Vasquezand you know it's her and Gorman
when they're in the air ductbefore they hit the grenade and
they blow themselves up.
And they blow up, like you know, 40 xenomorphs with them or
some shit, and their last wordsis you know, you always were an
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asshole, gorman.
And then they blow themselvesup.
This was kind of his nod tothat scene where they're both
sitting there and they're likeyeah, you know, that was kind of
a dick move where I tried toshoot you.
It was a kind of a dick movewhere I let you get bitten by a
fucking werewolf.
Well, I guess, I guess we'rejust going to let it go to shit.
I wish I could have at leastseen these fucking, these giant
(56:10):
gods before everything goes tohell.
And then, of course, you knowthe, the, the giant hand like
comes up through bedrock andkills them immediately and then
all hell breaks loose and thencredits roll.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's well in in, that's epic,
like I mean, especially when youcan nod to an old flick, like,
like aliens.
But it's, I don't know it, itit brought some closure to the
story in in a way that, likeanother story that you don't
feel like is ever going to haveclosure Uh, the one with the old
(56:43):
gods, you know, rising fromfrom underneath and all of that
stuff it's like, well, that's astory that we're not going to
know anything about.
Um, nobody would have saw thatcoming, this one yeah, but this
one, this story, we, we get, weget that closure that you know.
Hey, sorry, you know I'm kindof an asshole, whatever, um,
(57:05):
it's no, it's just it, it's good, it's.
It's art, um, hilarious art,but it's it's good.
I like it.
So, um, so, yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to say that, uh,anybody, anybody who hasn't seen
this movie, go ahead and watchit.
It's a good movie, especiallyif you're not into horror flicks
(57:32):
and you want to watch somethingfor Halloween.
This is definitely a good one.
It'll give you a good laugh.
Yeah, thanks for coming on,derek.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I'm glad you suggested this one.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
I liked watching it good, good, thanks for having me
you got anything you want toplug um, well, let's see here.
Uh, you know, if anybody, uhanybody, wants to watch like
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Uh, you know, sometimes you'llfind some, uh, some covers or,
(58:09):
uh, you, or just some randomguitar nonsense on there.
Otherwise, you can go lookingfor Mortal Desire D-E-Z-I-R-E,
because apparently I don't knowhow to spell.
That's that Nebraska schoolingthere for you.
But you can find us on all thesocials.
That is kind of a thrashprogressive metal project that
(58:31):
I've been attached to for like15, 20 years and, yeah, there
might be some other music stuffcoming down the pipe and we'll
see what happens.
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(59:03):
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Thank you.
Hello and welcome to MovieRx Recreational Use, where
we set healing aside and watchjust to feel good.
I am the prescribing doctor, drBenjamin, and joining me today
is Derek Welcome, derek.
So we're trying another,something new.
Today we're doing recreationaluse.
So I've been running into thistrouble, derek, where there have
(00:53):
been people that have wanted tocome on the show and they've
wanted to do, they've wanted todo certain movies, but they said
they didn't really have anymedicine in it, that it was just
movies that they really, reallyliked.
So I came up with recreationaluse Because I don't know, I just
think that that might work.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Which that in its own form, could be considered
medicine.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Right, yeah, and maybe it's medicine for somebody
else and maybe that'll spurthem into getting a hold of me
and being like, hey, thatmovie's medicine for somebody
else and maybe that'll that'llspur him into getting getting a
hold of me and being like, hey,that movie's medicine for me.
Well, let me know, I let youkind of throw some ideas at me
and, uh, ultimately you let mepick.
Uh, I think what was it between?
Was it between scream and cabinin the woods?
(01:41):
I think was kind of the.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I think that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, something like that I was trying to go with
something that was definitelyHalloween yeah, and well, I've
seen Scream and I had never seenCabin in the Woods, and it was
an opportunity to watch a newmovie that I hadn't seen yet, so
I went with that.
Today we're talking about Cabinthe woods.
(02:05):
Uh, basic movie info on thisone it's MGM pictures, released
in 2012,.
Uh, directed by Drew Goddard.
Stars Christine Connolly, uhThor and Anna Hutchinson
Hutchison.
The IMDB description on thisone a group of kids go to a
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remote cabin in the woods wheretheir fate is unknowingly
controlled by technicians aspart of a worldwide conspiracy.
Where all horror movie clichesare revealed to be part of an
elaborate sacrifice ritual.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I'd say that's relatively accurate.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Nothing like, yeah, nothing like giving it all right
up front, like I mean, that is,that is the movie like the
whole movie all right.
Well, uh, we'll see at the nextappointment.
I'm just kidding, so.
So tell me why.
Why was this one that you hadkind of suggested?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
so, yeah, the the thing with this one is that,
like it is yeah, I mean itdefinitely does talk about all
of the, the, the various likehorror movie tropes and horror
movie cliches, right uh, but itputs a lot of that shit on its
head and it has this uh, thisunderlying story that that winds
up like taking all of thesethose uh cliches and tropes and
(03:23):
it does something actually likereally interesting with them.
Uh, this is, you know, this wasan example of like Joss Whedon,
like actually doing somethinggood, uh and uh, and not like
like doing the doing the JossWhedon, that like we expect.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Right, right.
Um, well, I mean becausethere's.
There is one notable thing fromJoss Whedon that we've, that
we've talked about.
That isn't.
It isn't so great.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, yeah, we're coming right off the heels of
doing you know, doing the AlienResurrection episode, so like
trying really really hard not tobeat the shit out of Joss
Whedon right now.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, he's he.
He had some questionablejudgment for that one, but but
this one he kind of goes backinto into what we expect from
joss whedon, and that'sinteresting storytelling.
This movie caught me off guardbecause when you, when you, told
me to watch this, I I startedwatching this movie thinking
that it was just going to be a,a horror movie at a cabin in the
(04:30):
woods.
And then there's all thiscorporate shit going on at the
beginning of the movie.
You know, when we get the titlecard and I'm like what the fuck
?
Does this have anything to dowith a cabin?
And then I started seeing allthe stuff, as they're putting
everything in and all this otherstuff, and and then and then
I'm like wait a second, likeokay, so so is this like have
you ever seen the game?
(04:50):
Yeah, yeah, how, how hisbrother pays for this giant
elaborate game where he's inreal life being like fucked with
by people Like he's, he thinkshe's being chased by people
trying to kill him and all ofthat.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah totally.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But at the end it just ends up being a complete, a
complete game and just yeah,whatever.
I totally thought that that'swhat this was Like.
That Crimson, chris Hemsworth'scousin, had bought them this
trip to a place where you get athrill at a cabin in the woods
and they just didn't tell himthat that's what that was.
That was, but it.
(05:27):
It just keeps going Like so.
Every time something happens,every time some new goddamn
thing comes up, I'm just likeWhoa, what the fuck?
And so now I'm looking at likeIlluminati shit and I'm like
what the fuck?
You kind of threw me for a loopwith this movie.
Cause you kind of threw me fora loop with this movie because I
didn't know what to expect andI still didn't all the way up to
(05:47):
the end of the movie.
I'm like what the fuck am Iwatching?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's that's the good thingabout it.
Yeah, because it gets.
It gets deeper and weirder anddeeper and weirder and you're
like, wait, what the like?
This started out as like a bad,fucking evil dead ripoff and
now it's turned into likefucking, like Lovecraft, like
what the fuck am I looking at?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
here, man Right, the like the Tim design character,
the the Mordecai.
I thought for sure he was justgoing to be some goofy actor or
whatever, but then they calledhim on the phone and then they
started giving him shit on thephone, like you know, when he
starts talking about, you knowthe god, the old gods, and, and
you know he starts telling himare you wait?
(06:33):
do you have me on?
Do you have me on speakerphone?
You know they're just fuckingwith him and it's like wait a
second.
This guy sounds like some kindof a true believer, like right
exactly and these other, theseother people don't so many, but
but they are you've got so manylike weird juxtapositions in
there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Uh, yeah, you know where you've got like some of
this.
Uh, you know you've got like,yeah, the, the government guys,
the like manhattan project, youknow kind of a thing like it.
Like these guys that areworking in like you know,
fucking they.
They seem like they're workingin like Los Alamos or something
like in New Mexico or some shitRight Like on Area 51, they're
building a bomb, kind of a thing, right.
But, then you also have, youknow from that environment.
(07:13):
You have like some of this likeoffice space kind of like
fuckery, that you know thatwinds up happening throughout,
the throughout the whole thing.
You know that that you see fromthese guys and yeah, yeah, that
that bullshit, the whole thing.
You know that, uh, that you seefrom these guys and yeah, yeah,
that that bullshit of.
Like you know, am I onspeakerphone right now?
Uh, no, no, I wouldn't do thatto you as he's, as he's doing
this to you I love it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's so much fun.
So about this movie you got uh,it looks like it had a 30
million million budget.
Now the box office return, the$66.5 million return is that US
and Canada, or is that worldwide?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I think that's worldwide is what it wound up
getting is $66.5.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Okay, so it actually didn't make a ton of money.
I mean, it doubled its money.
But like in the grand scheme ofthings, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So, like this, this has a hit, uh, an interesting
history when it comes to likethe release behind it, because
it was an mgm movie.
It was mgm and united artists,that, uh, that originally
created this movie and then mgmwent bankrupt like in the middle
of the, uh you know, like themovie came out and they were
going to try to make it 3d, eventhough like nobody wanted it to
(08:29):
be fucking 3d mgm's like no, wehave to make this 3d because
they're stupid and uh, you knowand like you, understandably
enough, because they're fuckingdumb they wound up going
bankrupt in the middle of this,uh, this whole thing, and they
shelled the movie while theywere going through bankruptcy
and so the movie sat on afucking shelf and collected dust
(08:49):
for like two years untilLionsgate bought it and then
they actually put the movie out.
So it didn't get an opportunityto make the money that it did
until after like two and a halfyears after it had been done and
, like Chris helmsworth uh hadalready became like thor by that
(09:09):
point.
So like it was actually like itwas made before thor was
released, but then it wasreleased after thor.
So like that might have beenpart of why people actually
noticed the movie and likeactually decided to watch it
because hey, it's that Thor,fucking guy.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He just looks younger yeah, well, and he would have
too, because I mean he wasplaying what like a high school
kid or a college kid orsomething in this, and by the
time you see him in Thor.
Yeah, by the time you see himin Thor, he's like I mean, well,
he's Thor, you know like mid20s, yeah, so easily and you
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know and like and he had.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
He had bulked up by, you know.
I mean he was the size of atleast three other people by the
time he came around to beingthor right, right, um.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So drew goddard.
What do you know about him?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
uh, so traditionally that, uh, he's a, he's a writer.
Uh was mostly what he wasassociated for.
Um, yeah, he, he worked onactually, he worked on like
shows with, uh, joss whedon, so,uh, you know he was a writer on
buffy, he worked on lost, alias.
You know a few other shows.
Uh, he is the guy that broughtus uh, daredevil from like the
(10:21):
netflix daredevil the one that'sactually good.
Uh, he is the creator of that.
So, uh, you know that, that'sactually you know that was
pretty cool, but I mean, that'skind of the gist of it.
He's mostly known as being awriter, uh, instead of a
director.
This was actually, I think,like the first movie that he
ever did where he was directingoh, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, I mean.
Well, it gets him kind of intoa different, into a different
scope on on the movie business,which I mean.
Well, it gets him kind of intoa different, into a different
scope on on the movie business,which I mean any any actor who's
gone, producer and director,will tell you the more, the more
, the more positions that youknow how to take in in Hollywood
, the better, like the morerelevant you're going to stay
over a course.
(11:00):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean there'stotally that whole like grab
your ankles position thathollywood loves, yeah yeah, and
I mean if, if you can get out ofthat position and get into the
you know where you're, not theone grabbing your ankles, that's
, that's always better for you.
Um, but uh, but yeah, I meanthe well I mean we kind of
(11:22):
already talked a little bitabout.
I mean, drew Goddard didn't dothe writing, he just directed
the film.
But the writing was done by JossWhedon Both of them wrote it
Right Now, joss Whedon and DrewGoddard writing it like.
I see that you have it on hereand I remember putting it down
(11:42):
in my notes, the the screenplaywas done in a weekend.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like both of them.
Both of them came off of moviesthat like didn't do well, I
don't remember what the movieswere, but like Joss Whedon had a
movie that like shit the bed,drew Drew Goddard had a movie
that shit the bed, and then, aslike a coping mechanism, they
locked themselves in a fuckinghotel room and just banged, you
know, just banged out thisfucking, uh, this script in like
(12:09):
a three-day weekend that's likeI mean, doesn't that just sound
like a fun thing to do, like if, if you were yes, if you had
clout in hollywood as being ableto write, write a a screen like
, wouldn't that just besomething that you'd want to do
Like once every couple of months?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
just be like, hey, I'm going to go and get a hotel
room in you know Bora Bora andI'm just like, leave me the fuck
alone and all goddamn weekendI'm just going to do nothing but
right, and then then just justpound out a fucking script for a
movie, like, how fucking coolwould that be?
I'd I'd just thinking abouthaving the opportunity to be
(12:52):
able to do that.
To me just sounds like itsounds like a dream it could be
a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It could also be uh, you know, it could also be a
special kind of hell.
Um, I don't know.
It depends on, like, what kindof movies you're making.
If you're writing a movie likethis in that kind of a three-day
ground and pound, all right,yeah, no, that could be a whole
lot of fun.
If you're doing dramas orsomething in that kind of a time
span, I don't know, man, thatsounds very Bukowski.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, well and just Well.
Well then you're not puttingenough thought into something
like that, cause I mean thatwhen you start making those
kinds of movies, like, could youimagine how different like,
like, like, uh, goodwill hunting, if that would have been
written in a weekend, howdifferent do you think that
movie would have been?
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
um, yeah, yeah, that that potentially could have been
extremely different.
I don't know.
Uh, like Affleck's charactermight've been different, you
know it might've.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
You know his, his character may not have been like
even remotely likable as it wasright, but he was the bomb in
phantoms yo um applesauce.
Yeah, uh, actually, I saw thatthat's up on paramount plus, I
(14:08):
think, uh, as phantoms, uh, amovie that you can watch,
phantoms, yeah, so I might haveto give that a watch, but, uh,
but you're also.
I also like the.
The commentary you have in hereis that this movie was meant to
be both a love letter and amiddle finger to the modern
horror genre.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, I could definitely see that this
particular movie was like.
He is a huge fan of horrormovies, right, big fan of like
classic horror, you know, enjoysthe, the, the suspense and the,
(14:43):
the effort that people put intothe monsters and the buildup
and everything like that.
What he didn't like was some ofthe cliches of like teenagers
being stupid, right, you know,like slasher flicks where it's
always the.
You know the kids that go offinto the woods to smoke a little
bit of pot, nope, nope, they'reall fucking dead.
(15:04):
They're sinners.
You know, like he wasn't a hugefan of that kind of nonsense and
he definitely wasn't a big fanof like the horror porn, the
torture porn that we wererunning into in like the early
2000s, like that porn that, uh,that we were running into in
like the early 2000s, like that.
You know, with like the other,um, oh, god damn it.
Uh, what the?
What the hell is the, thefucking?
You know like the eli roth kindof, uh kind of horror movies of
(15:25):
like hostile, where you justyou watch people die in like
horrible fucking ways, butthere's nothing, there's nothing
supernatural about it, there'snothing suspenseful about it.
Really, it's just you'rewatching somebody getting like
garrotted on, uh, on fuckinglike reality tv, right.
Uh, it just it takes all of theartistry out of it.
So he took all of these clichesand then he really just like put
(15:48):
them on their head.
So it was like, okay, I'm gonnamake a horror movie that I
actually want to make and we'regonna, you know, we're gonna
bring in elements of like shitthat made horror, horror, which
is why you've got like a lot oflike Lovecraftian kind of things
in here.
But then we're also going totake all of these cliches and
we're going to make themactually mean something.
And that was, you know, builtinto as being like part of the
(16:10):
ritual.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Right, and like the well, in the ritual itself, like
it's pretty obscure throughmost of the movie.
Like I mean, they did and theydo it purposely, like you know,
after, after the first death,then they, they pull the thing
and then you know the, the, thebasin fills with blood and then
(16:33):
it fills up.
You know these little troughsand you know the whatever, but
it's like they're only showingyou little bits and pieces at a
time.
Uh, you, you kind of get ageneral idea of what's going on,
but but they don't really showyou until until, like, until
you're really ready to see it,uh, until you're, right, almost
frustrated with how much youdon't know.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
um, yeah, yeah, like everything goes like completely
off the rails and like the, youknow, in the, uh, the third act,
when just everything goescompletely to hell.
But if you're somebody that'sused to watching these kind of
movies, you start to figure itout and like they, they subtly,
and you know it gets mentionedas like commentary later on in
the movie, but like suddenlythey kind of all start to fall
(17:16):
into their roles that are likethose cliche kind of roles where
you get like the other, thejock leader guy, and you get the
chick, that's kind of the whoreperson, and you get like the
other, the, the innocent virginchick, and like the good guy,
nerd guy, you know, and like allof these, uh, you know they fit
into the, the positions of allof these like horror movie
(17:39):
tropes that you start torecognize, even if they weren't
those people at the beginning ofthe movie, except for the
stoner dude, like that guy.
That guy was the fuckingpothead like at the very
beginning of the movie and hewas the pothead at the very end.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I love that character .
As far as all the characters inthis movie, I think he's
probably probably my favorite.
Yeah, um, and well, okay, himand the, uh, the quote unquote
good guy, um, but that's justbecause, like, oh man, I'm I'm
really putting myself out therenow but uh, but he's, his
(18:16):
character in Grey's Anatomy isone of my favorites.
But, uh, but he's, hischaracter in Grey's Anatomy is
one of my favorites.
Um, and so, like when, when hepopped up in this movie, he was
a lot younger but I was like, ohwow, like he's in here too.
Um, he does a really good job.
Uh, actually, what I reallylike about him is the healthy
masculinity that he shows.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Healthy masculinity that heshows.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, where he'slike the jock.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
that's not a piece of shit yeah, and well, he's, he's
respectful, he's not afraid toshow affection, he, um, he's uh
also honorable, like I mean he,he.
He struggled a little bit therewith the, with the mirror, the
one-way mirror yep, yep but somesomewhat under.
Someone understand like he mayhave had like a little bit of a
(19:02):
little bit of a struggle there,but no, you're absolutely right
yeah, he uh he was like no, no Ican't be a dick, I can't do
this yep, and then he traded herrooms and that was cool, um, so
yeah, I really I really likedthe healthy masculinity part of
of um, uh, of the holden um.
But marty, oh jesus, hisconspiracy theory, shit from the
(19:28):
beginning all the way throughto the end it was just.
It was great.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I love that I'm gonna go look at a book with pictures
.
Oh hey, the bond mug.
Yeah, the the, the fucking thebond mug.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know that thing, really, that was a real thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah it wasfunctional as both.
Yeah, yeah, five grand to makethat damn thing.
That's's so awesome.
Uh, I mean, they're they'retotally uh going to have to
figure out how to make that notso expensive, um, especially
(20:04):
especially as everybody startslegalizing that shit right
Everywhere.
Um, but, uh, yeah, that mug was.
Oh, yeah, I see that you have.
I see now that you have that asas a thing on here thing on
here, the bong coffee mug thing.
Yeah, okay, so we kind oftalked about Mordecai a little
bit, but tell me what you thinkabout Mordecai.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So, yeah, I mean, when you made the comment about
the true believer, yeah, it'stotally nail on the head, right.
And when you're talking about,like you know, horror movie
tropes that you have to have,you know, yeah, the creepy gas
station attendant that is,that's absolutely a fucking
requirement, right, like youwould have, uh, you would have
had that thing in like stephenking movies.
You would have had that um I, Ithink you had a creepy gas
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station attendant in um, well,you might not have had that in
um evil, but you definitely hadit, like the Jason movies, or
you would have, you know, somesome like creepy local that was
around.
You had to have something likethat.
So definitely like checks thebox right of the, the guy that
says creepy shit while you're onthe way.
So, yeah, it totally worked.
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And then I mean that the actorthat they used for that is just
perfect for for that particularrole.
And then when they, when theydid the whole speakerphone thing
, uh, where it turned, you know,it devolves into this like
office space, you know, likeshtick, um, I thought it was
fucking great.
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Uh, it was probably a little unnecessary, but it was
still funny I still loved itbecause it it was like I mean,
what if you took one of what, ifyou took that character from
those movies and put him intothe real world, like I mean,
that's exactly what that was,because you know, every time you
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see that character in a movie,he's not the kind to have a cell
phone, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, exactly, see that character in a movie.
He's not the kind to have acell phone, you know, yes,
exactly, but they're just likeyou know, the, the attitude that
they have towards him is like Ican't even with this fucking
guy is, uh, you know, is wherethey have.
You know, is where they have itbecause, like the, you can tell
that some of the people thatare actually like working at the
office, um, or at the base orthe center or whatever the
bunker, whatever the the hell itis, um, you can tell that
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they're a little bit jaded atthe whole process.
Like none of them are like truebelievers.
It's just a job at this point,right, whereas you've still got
this guy, this bumpkin, where heis completely bought the fuck
in, where he's like no, no manthis is all gods and monsters
(22:40):
and the lambs and we're doingsome shit.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, the the backwoods, the backwoods, true
believer?
Um, like uh, the the guy on onuh south park, you know?
Oh, you don't go down that rodright, exactly um now, uh, talk
to talk to me about the stonerconspiracy theories.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh man.
So I mean, he's got quite a fewof like his various you know
conspiracy theories, but like hestarts to, at the very
beginning, he's starting torecognize that like wait a
minute, there's like shit thatdoesn't make sense here.
Because you know he starts torecognize, you know, when
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everybody is starting to fallinto the trope that's needed for
the ritual, right, you knowwhere you've got like the guy
that falls into being thescholar and the guy that falls
into being the jock or theleader and the chick that falls
into being the whore or whatever.
He's like these people don'tact this way.
You know like he's talkingabout you know chris, chris
(23:38):
helmsworth character, uh, andhe's like you know when, when
did he start acting like all,like misogynistic and shit like
I, I know this guy, he's asociology major.
You know like he's on a fullride scholarship.
Why is he acting like a dumbass?
Right, you know he starts to.
You know he starts to see thisshit and he's like wait a
fucking minute.
(23:59):
Like, right, this isn't, thisdoesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And that's where he makes the comment of like we're
not who we are, um, and thenhe's like I'm gonna go look at a
book with pictures and it windsup being finding nemo well, and
with that whole likeeverybody's falling into these,
into these categories that theyneed to be, for you know, a
horror flick, I'm like with allof that stuff, I was like, okay,
so is everybody in on it exceptfor you know?
(24:24):
Like, except for these people,or whatever.
Yeah, like is the stoner andthe the virgin girl?
Are they the ones that are thatare not in on it, or whatever?
And then, like I, everythingfrom the.
I think one of the first thingsthat crossed my mind was is this
how is this?
How this studio makes horrorflicks is that they put kids
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into this situation and theyfilm it from all angles, and
then they, and then you know,after it's all done, then they
go oh yeah, we just made ahorror movie.
You guys are the stars, youknow, or whatever.
Like I just I didn't know whatthe fuck was going on, um, but
but my question is is that, likeit was, was this kind of one of
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those things where it's likepeople fell into those
categories because they weresupposed to, or like I mean, I
did, I guess I didn't catch ifthere was something that was
happening to them that made themgo into those, into those roles
?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
so some of it, some of it, they showed that there
was a little bit of manipulationin there.
They they had talked about youknow there were pheromones that
they were spraying into therooms and you know things to
where they were trying tocontrol the variables a little
bit.
Or they had, like, extra spikedyou know, some of the, some of
the booze, or they were messingwith, like you know, the, the
(25:49):
dude's weed, you know, likethings like that.
Where they were, they weremessing with certain things to
try to steer variables as muchas possible, uh, to where maybe
they might have, they might'vehad, like a potential
predisposition to some of these,uh, these particular, uh like
roles or particular attitudes.
(26:09):
Uh, and they were uh, messingwith the variables to steer them
in that direction, whateverdirection they needed them to be
in, as much as possible.
Like you know, using ChrisHelmsworth's character as an
example, to where you know, okay, yeah, he's, yeah, he might be
a sociology major, but he isalso a jock and he is also, like
(26:31):
you know, this guy that's likenatural leader kind of a thing.
So what do we do to kind ofsteer him in the direction of
potentially being a bit morejock?
Ish, right, uh, you know towhere we have him as the athlete
and less as like the sociologyguy.
And so there were certainthings that were manipulated
(26:52):
that had him falling a littlebit more into that particular
role instead of going likepotentially being the scholar,
right, because they needed that,they needed that to be the
other guy, uh, you know, the, uh, the, the, the other, the, the
nerd, right?
Uh, so they, you know theyneeded to make sure that people
fit into the particular roles,and so they just messed with the
variables as much as they couldto kind of get them to
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naturally fall into those places, because the kids themselves
still had to make decisions,they had to choose to do the
certain things that they did.
But, uh, they could fuck withthe variables as much as they
could to like get them to fallinto those roles, right?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
well, and yeah, I, I kind of remember that with, like
the, you know the, thepheromones coming up out of the
ground and stuff like that.
For you know, when they were,uh, when they were trying to get
busy and they were trying toget the obligatory, uh, boob
shot, you know, and all of thatstuff, and that's when I that's
when I thought they were makinga movie.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, the the problematic sex scene that
probably wouldn't sell intoday's day and age.
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So, like, I mean, that scene made me think that
maybe they were making a movie,because that's like, oh,
checking a box, you know, got tohave the topless hot girl, you
know, or whatever.
So I thought maybe that that'swhat they were doing.
But then you know, but thenthings keep going, you know,
like uh, well, I mean she getskilled, so, um, but yeah, I, I
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do love, I do love how, how,like the uh, that everybody just
kind of fits into those roles,even though they didn't really
at the beginning, like I meanthey, they were just kind of a
well-rounded group of friendsthat didn't really have.
I mean, because because if you,if you go, if you put those
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people into those categoriesright from the beginning, then
there's no way that any of thesepeople are friends.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But right, Exactly that's where it starts to become
like a horror movie stereotypeor horror movie cliche.
At that point, even with likethe nerdy innocent chick right,
the chick that's supposed to bethe virgin character.
Even like towards the end ofthe movie, when they say the
(29:13):
virgin and they look at her andshe's like what the fuck?
You mean virgin?
They're like we work with whatwe've got.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Right.
So let's see here Some of the,some of the quotes you have on
here.
Like I, some of the, some ofthe stuff was really good, like
the I'm going to go for a walk.
Like how he heard heard thewhisper, I'm going to go for a
(29:42):
walk and then like yeah, I'm theboss of my own brain.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'm going to go for a walk and then like, yeah, I'm
the boss of my own brain.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm gonna go for a walk.
Yeah, that's good stuff, um,and husband bulge from oh, my
god from the book.
Yep, that's a husband bulge, bythe way.
Yeah, um valiant effort withthe mug bong.
(30:10):
Oh, when he pulls it out into abaseball bat, he starts using
the mug trying to kill the other, the redneck zombie yeah, what
was that family called?
What was it?
It was like buckner's bucknerfamily I don't remember that, oh
buckner, that's right.
Yeah, because, yeah, yeah'tremember that, oh Buckner,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, cause he's like , yeah, it's the Buckner family.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
He's like.
He's like oh, here comes JonahBuckner to the, to the rescue,
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like yeah, and that was like mentioning the
Buckner's is actually a reallyimportant part of the, the, the,
the, the storyline a little bitof of like the
choose-your-own-adventure story,right, you know, like when
they're in the bunker andeverybody's betting as to, like,
what kind of story this isgoing to be, whether it's going
(30:56):
to be zombies or if it's goingto be the Merman, or you know if
it's going to be like theWishcom Hellraiser crew, you
know, like they're all you knowthey've got these bets on like
what the story is going to be,and they're in the basement with
all of these various uh props,right, and, and it's going to be
(31:16):
okay, whichever one decides tostick on this, whether it's
going to be like the puzzle ballor the creepy fucking doll in
the jewelry box thing or thediary, and it winds up being the
diary and it's like, oh, we gotthe Buckners All right, cool,
here we go.
This is the story that we'regoing with and that winds up
being extremely importantbecause they, you know once
(31:38):
again messing with variables,but the kids still have to make
the decision right.
The group in the, you know,they still have to make the
decision right.
The group, they still have tomake the decision as to where
this is going to go, and so theymake the decision as to what
kind of monsters are going towind up, killing them and making
them the sacrifice to the oldgods.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Right, and the way that they do that, the things
that they way that they do that,like the, the things that they
can choose to to do, that endsup being like a nod to
everything that you've ever seenin horror flicks.
Now, I'm not, I'm notwell-versed in horror movies
like that.
It's, it's really not my genre.
I think the whole point of mypodcast is finding meaning in
(32:23):
movies and I've always kind offelt like like you don't really
get a whole lot of that inhorror flicks, because the point
of a horror flick is to scareyou, right, I'm sure that for
plenty of people they are, um,but it's like, but from from my,
my experiences, it's like if Iwant a good thrill, then I watch
(32:46):
a horror flick, you know, andand like I don't know, I guess
I'm just not really much into it.
But I mean not saying that Idon't like horror movies because
I do.
Uh, it's almost every time Iwatch one, like, even if I don't
want to watch it, by the timeI'm done I'm like that was a
good movie, um, but but eveneven I recognized some, some of
(33:11):
those uh nods to other, to otherfranchises, like the, the
hellraiser puzzle ball, yep, youknow the, the guy with the,
with the saw blades coming outof his head and all that shit um
yep yeah, there's, there's
Speaker 2 (33:27):
references to like other horror movies, like all
over the fucking place.
Uh, you know the the the partin there where, like she's
reading the diary and uh, youknow, and like there's something
in latin in there, and thestoner dude's like I'm drawing a
line in the fucking sand, donot read the latin you help?
As she proceeds to read.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Of course she does and then that's when shit gets
fucked up.
Yeah, right, no, that's uh,that's really good.
I like that.
Um.
Well, and there at the end youkind of see everything coming
together.
You know, like the uh, likeyou've got the under underworld
(34:08):
with the, with the werewolf umyeah, you've got the the
werewolves in there.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You've got like every zombie movie ever.
You know that, uh, that pops upum the other.
You know the the weird, likepeople in the mass.
You know that, uh, there'sprobably a reference to like the
strangers or something, um, andthe other rituals that they're
talking about you know, with uhwith like stockholm, japan bonus
eras, uh, you know, that'sobviously like the thing.
(34:35):
Uh, the ring and king kong, youknow, uh like, you've got like
references to that kind of stuffin there yeah and uh, I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I just thought that was really kind of neat how they
it was.
It was almost like anexplanation for why these are
horror movies like that.
They're all that.
All of the horror movies thathave ever existed have been
inspired by something that is,quote, unquote, real.
You know?
Um, right, yep, exactly, just,I don it.
Just it added a little bit of acomedic level to it for me.
(35:09):
And speaking of comedic level,I love how your note simply says
Hemsworth's death.
Lol.
Just I mean, it was soridiculous, right yeah, just
(35:31):
fucking going crazy and beinglike okay, I'm gonna save you
all, I'm gonna make this, I'mgonna make it count and I'm even
if I get across that thing andI have to crawl my way to help
I'm gonna get people to comeback and help you I'm coming
back with guns and cops andchoppers and he's just, he's got
this big fucking hero speechright, just uh, just for him to
(35:55):
like slam into the fucking thingright, the the force field wall
or whatever the hell it isright, he slams into that and
just fucking, just brutally justdead.
Not just, not just kind of dead,just fucking dead and
immediately just as soon as hehits the fucking thing where
he's like, fuck yeah, and thenboom, just smashes on that thing
(36:17):
and just fucking all the waydown, just fucked yeah, yeah,
that was, that was really good,like I mean, I I had kind of
thought about it before he didit because of the because of the
Eagle at the beginning.
You know into the wall.
So I yeah, so I was like, ohwell, maybe I mean maybe they,
(36:40):
maybe that was just an oversightor something like that.
But no, nope, nope.
Then as sure as shit, boom andit's like, okay, never mind,
fucking.
Yeah, hems withstead was uh,death was really good in this
movie.
Um, uh, the good guy deservedbetter yeah, he just yeah that
was kind of a shit death, wasn'tit?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
yeah, yeah, it was just a very unceremonious thing
we're like and you you knewbecause there was a reference in
there.
You know, you see the bloodyhandprint on the camper when
they get on the camper, on thecamper door you know that, like
you know, you know there's abuckner in there somewhere
that's gonna like pop up right,some redneck zombie that's gonna
do something, and you made itall the way through the tunnel.
(37:24):
You made it all the way toHemsworth's death.
And then they're driving.
You know that somebody's comingout of the woodwork somewhere,
but it's just like out ofnowhere, stabbed in the neck,
bleeds out, crashes the camperand he's just dead.
That's all there is to.
(37:45):
It is just dead.
Come on, man, you could havegiven him something right if it
felt cheap, um yeah I'm like you.
I mean, like I said, he was oneof my favorites.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
You got a better death right, and it was just
like god man, like seriously,like can we, can we just like
give him something a little bitbetter?
I mean, the guy was in Grey'sAnatomy, sure.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I'll give you like I've actually have never seen a
single episode, really.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
It's not too bad, like I mean, my, my niece would
really be upset with me forhearing me say it, but it's.
It's not the greatest show ontelevision, but it's not bad.
It's not the greatest show ontelevision, but it's not bad.
And if you want, if you want towatch a TV show with your
girlfriend, that you'reconceding something you know
(38:36):
like you're compromising, butit's something that you can
actually watch and it's not toohorrible Then then it's a good,
it's a good series for that, butthat you'll have it for the
rest of your life, because, ohmy god, there's like 30 seasons
of it or something.
But um, but yeah, this, uh, butlike I mean he, he just gets
(39:00):
killed for like no, like, withno entry at all, it's just
boring, boring, boring death,and then that leads very quickly
into, uh, into the last one.
Well, what?
What we perceive as the lastone?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, you know, yeah.
So it leaves us with the, thequote unquote virgin Right,
virgin right.
And that that also leads intoprobably one of the more insane
parts of the whole fucking movie.
Uh, with the like the postcocktail party, right, because
they're like the death of thevirgin is optional.
Everybody else has got tofucking die, but this chick is
(39:42):
optional.
Uh, as to whether or not theydie, you know she dies and they
leave her to potentially be likejust beaten to death by zombie
redneck while they're all goingthrough their fucking cocktail
party, right, you know where?
Like, you got people drinkingand they're hanging out and
they're talking shit and they'rethey're lamenting about, like,
the bet that they lost, andyou've got the intern that's
(40:05):
like trying to be cool.
You got the one guy that'strying to get laid like and it's
just.
You have this like mundaneoffice party going on, while in
the background, on the giantscreen, you have this chick
that's being just brutallybeaten to death by a redneck
zombie being beaten.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's just fucking nuts.
Yeah, yeah, uh, and and I don't, I don't know that most people
would really have caught that,but uh, but yeah, that was
something.
That was something that justkind of wow, how sick are these
people like what the hell isthis exactly?
And that's when I mean when Istill, like you know, was it
(40:42):
illuminati?
Was it know what the fuck isgoing on here?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And right, and it goes, yeah, and even at that
point, you're still clueless.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you are pretty, uh, youare pretty clueless as to what's
going on and it does, you knowit.
It goes back towards thatcommentary, uh that underlying
commentary, for the, uh, thepeople that are in the bunker,
of how kind of blah they'vebecome to the whole thing, uh,
(41:06):
which goes more towards, like,towards the end of the movie,
where they're like, well, fuckit, let's just let it end, uh,
because they've, you know,they've just gotten so used to
the whole thing and socomplacent to the whole thing,
uh, to the, the, the ritual that, like, they've made it a, you
know, you get used to it.
(41:26):
And the other, the black dudes,like, should you like, are we
supposed?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
to get used to this.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
You know, are we supposed to just become
complacent into this?
Because it's pretty fucked upwhen you think about it.
Like this whole thing's reallyfucked up.
We should not be just takingthis as like it's another day at
the office.
We shouldn't be making bets onthis or anything along those
lines.
Another day at the office weshouldn't be making bets on this
or anything along those lines.
So, yeah, like that, you knowthat, that cocktail party with
the other, the debt, you knowthe, the beaten to death on the
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big screen, like that's justcontinuing on the commentary of
you know, yeah, as you said,like how fucked up are these
people to where?
Like they just they havenothing.
They have like almost literallynothing as far as like empathy
is concerned for these, thesefive people that have pretty
much just been brutally killedso that the rest of us can
continue to live right, I meanin the grand scheme of things,
(42:15):
like yeah, it's, it's the needsof the many kind of kind of an
argument.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
But right, like, at what point do you start enjoying
it?
Because that's, that's whatthey were doing.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
They were enjoying it at certain points it totally
turned into entertainment.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah yeah, and so it's like I despise the idea
that humanity could get to apoint, that, that humans could
actually get to a point wheresomething, where they're so
desensitized to something likethat that they're like oh wow,
this is oh well, we're alreadyfucking there, man.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You remember the movie series back in the late
90s that was like black marketmovies, Faces of Death.
Do you remember hearing aboutFaces of Death back in the day
when we were like middle school,early high school?
Like we're already there, man,you know, it's just being able
to separate yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Right and well, we're separating yourself or being
able to hold on to yourself, Iguess really, Because I mean
Jesus.
It kind of takes me to a whole,to a whole different franchise
with Harry Potter.
You know how do you split thesoul murder.
Or I mean, can you, can youreally like, do you really have
(43:37):
to go as far as murder can likejust simply drinking a cocktail
and watching a girl get beatento death and feeling nothing
about it?
Is that a possible way to splityour soul, or has it already
been split, like I don't?
Speaker 2 (43:54):
know, seems pretty fucked up to me.
And then we get to the other,the stoner lives.
Yes, we get to the big redphone that starts ringing and
they're like somebody's not dead.
Wait, what the fuck do you meansomebody's not dead?
I watched him fucking die andyou're thinking like, well, it
(44:14):
can't be the good guy because,like he got his throat ripped
out.
It's not the horse, she got herhead cut off.
I doubt it's Hemsworth becausehe, like he bounced like all the
way down right, so like he'snot just dead.
He's fucking dead, um, and thenof course, it's the goddamn
stoner.
(44:34):
It's the fucking stoner thatlives man.
You know he's the uh, the.
You know all of his conspiracytheory.
Shit just pops up and winds upbeing true, and you know yeah,
he pops up out of nowhere whereit's like he's still there I
mean seriously though.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
like think, think about, even in our circles, you
know, like if anybody's going tosurvive some shit like that,
it's going to be the pie, isgoing to be the burnouts, like
uh, probably, you know it isyeah, yeah.
Most of the uh, most of theburnouts.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I knew they're either going to be the first to die or
they're going to be the ones tolive.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, and, and going to be the ones to live, yeah,
and, and the ones, the ones thatdie, it's because they're, they
just don't know their limit.
The rest of them, it's because.
It's because there's they're.
You know, oh, man, like we all,we all know that pothead, that
one pothead who is like he'shigh functioning, the high
(45:27):
functioning pothead.
You know where he's not normalunless he's high functioning.
The high functioning pie head.
You know where he's not normalunless he's high, right, so, yep
, you know the guy who gets high.
And then that's when he notices, when you know when he starts
seeing the patterns and, and youknow, keeps everybody safe, um,
but yeah, yeah, he's, uh, thenhe finally gets, and then he
(45:48):
finally gets the win with the,with the mug bonk.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, they're, they're in the other, they're in
the elevator and like he'sfiguring out how to fucking like
hack his way into the other themaintenance elevator, and shit.
And you've got like the pile ofdead zombie that's over in the
corner and he's like oh yeah, Ihad to, I had to disassemble
that guy with a trowel.
And you can tell he's kind offucked up about it, but at the
(46:13):
same time he's also really justkind of even-keeled about it.
He's like oh yeah, I had tochop that guy into pieces with a
fucking trowel.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, his little one-liners.
You know, like the, you know,good job zombie hand.
You know like the, you know,good job zombie hand.
When the zombie hand grabbedthe security guy's leg and all
of that shit, His one-linerswere just crazy awesome.
(46:41):
Really good writing there.
Yeah, and this is about the timein the movie when they get into
the, when they get into theelevator and they start going
around like, like you have downhere that it's very 13,.
13 ghosts, like, uh, I would, Iwould definitely uh, agree with
that it's.
(47:02):
This is about the time that Istarted to think maybe maybe I
need to start thinking aboutthis movie from a different
perspective.
Maybe this is not a horrorflick, maybe this is just a
fucking hilarious movie, and itreally starts to.
It starts to look that way, youknow, cause.
Then they they, you know get inthere, they start seeing all
(47:24):
these other you know horrors andthings like that, um, uh, other
stereotype.
You know movie stereotypes andthings like that, um, uh, other
stereotype, you know moviestereotypes and things like that
, um, and then they just then,they just say fuck it and they
release it all and just carnage.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
And then you got a big fucking mess in carnage yep,
oh my god, that was so goodyeah, where you've got like all
of the other, the SWAT team guysthat like they get into the
hallway, they're looking aroundand then there's like the ding
from the elevator and the oneguy's just like fuck, and then
all hell breaks loose and it'sjust absolutely perfect and
(48:06):
everything comes out.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Everything, just everything goes wrong or right,
or whatever it is that you wantto call it.
It gets everywhere, even upinto the control room.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh, yeah, totally.
And and you know, and it's,it's.
It's kind of funny.
It's almost like a justdesserts kind of a thing,
because they've gotten so likecomplacent on the ritual and so
complacent on the monsters thatthey unleash on the kids, that
they sacrifice all the fuckingtime.
Well, now, now those monstershave come after them, right, you
know.
So it's like you know they're,they're finally getting what
(48:38):
they deserve, kind of a kind ofa thing.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah and and then, uh , you know, you like, uh you're,
you're doing really good withthe, with the shekhov's gun
thing but I like how you're howyou're giving, giving him
different tools.
So, uh, I'll let you take takeover on that well, like the
other, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So that that guy's character and I can't, uh, I for
the life, for the life of me, Ican't remember that actor's
name, but that guy is like, he'salways like that fucking guy.
He's, uh, he's a bit actor,like every time he shows up in a
movie it's he's always likethat fucking guy, he's, uh, he's
a bit actor, like every time heshows up in a movie it's a he's
always like that fucking guy,uh.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
But he's in there.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, that fucking guy, exactly, yes, um and uh,
yeah, he's uh, you know, likehe's talking shit the entire
time in the movie and he's likethe uh, the, the counterpart.
You know he's the uh, the, the,the Randall to the older guy's
Dante.
Right, if you will.
And you know, he's just he'stalking shit.
He's fucking around the entiretime, but he's also talking
(49:37):
about you know, it would havebeen better if we'd had a merman
, right.
He's mentioning a merman theentire time throughout the movie
of you know.
Yeah, I wish we'd have had amerman, wish we'd have had a
merman, wish we'd have had amerman.
And of course, there's nofucking merman right.
And then when all hell breaksloose and it gets up into the
control room and all thesemonsters are everywhere and
they're fucking people up andall this shit, and he's like
(50:00):
fuckered up on the groundsomewhere, like he's knocked
back or something along thoselines, and you know, you see
this figure that's like crawlingat him like an army crawl, that
just this thump, thump, thump,and then it kind of clears out
from some smoke and it's thegoddamn merman.
And even the actor, like helooks over and he's like are you
(50:23):
fucking kidding me?
and then he gets his face eatenby the goddamn merman that he's
wanted the whole goddamn movieit's like well you finally got
your fucking merman you finallygot your fucking deal with it
yep that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
And then we get down, then we get down into the, into
the chamber, yep, and that'swhere they finally start to
explain.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
You know, that's that's where they, you know they
explain finally, like the lastlittle bits of the movie plot
that you might not have piecedtogether yet.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Uh, they, they give it to you and, of course, it's
goddamn sigourney weaver thathas to fucking do it yep, I
loved it, like even even jen,when, when that popped up, jen
was even like was like, ofcourse it is.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
It was supposed to be jay, it was awesome it was
going to be jay curtisoriginally yeah, it was going to
be her originally and thatwould have been really fucking
cool, but I don't know if shewas, I don't know if she was
booked and doing something elseor if they decided to do, uh,
sigourney weaver instead.
But it actually just made iteven better because you've got,
you know, you've got sigourneyweaver, who was also, you know,
(51:33):
dana right from ghostbusterstalking to yet another dana from
cabin in the woods.
It's fucking great, justabsolutely like it was an
accident kind of a work, but itfucking worked was still awesome
.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah, no, it's her showing up was just, was, was
just awesome, and then, and thenshe just lays it out, like I
mean it's like what you'veexpected, like well, not really
expected, but they've.
They've been telling you thewhole time what's going on, you
know, but but I don't know it.
(52:05):
Just, it just seems to seemstoo simple.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Or something.
It was something that seemedtoo simple but at the same time
it fit.
It all kind of started to makesense of like, yeah, we have
this blood ritual, essentiallythat we're doing here, and it's
for the old gods, right, andthat's Joss Whedon with his
winky face.
Back to the other, the originalhorror, where it's Lovecraft.
(52:34):
That's it.
Goddamn Cthulhu man.
You know where Cthulhu was?
all about the old ones, was allabout the ancient ones and the
old gods and all this shit.
And so like they turn it intosomething like that of like we
have to placate the old gods orthey'll destroy the world, and
you're like, oh wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
now this takes a completely different kind of a
twist yeah and uh, and I mean itjust kind of surprised me, um,
that that it was just like Idon't know.
It got laid out and it was, andthis is.
This is when I finally decidedthat, yes, what I've been
watching has been a hilariousmovie, and maybe I take horror
(53:16):
films too seriously sometimes, Iguess, sure, but I mean, my
takeaway from it was that thisis a horror flick that I can
laugh at, and not laugh at itbecause it's so absurd and
ridiculous, but I can laugh atit because it, because it's just
funny, it's genuinely funny.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Um, right, and that was the point.
And you know the like.
We didn't wanted to make a uh,he wanted to make a horror movie
that didn't take itself tooseriously.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
And he, he succeeded in in in a great fashion.
Now in in well, great fashion.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Now tell me about, tell me about the final scene
with the, uh, the old gods.
The final scene is actually, Imean it's, it's kind of funny
because you know you've gotthrough the whole thing.
You know you've got these guysthat are just like, oh, we're
just following orders, you know,kind of a thing, and then they
become complacent to it.
You know, with the, the, uh,the guys behind the blood ritual
, right, uh, to where they, theyhave a very, you know, we're
just following orders kind ofattitude and then they, they
(54:16):
become very like, complacent andnumb to the whole thing, and
then that winds up biting themin the ass and then in the end
it winds up kind of being almostlike ethics uh, you know ethics
and loyalty, that kind of wins,where she's just like I'm sorry
, I tried to shoot you, I'msorry, you know, I'm sorry, I
let you get bitten by a werewolf, and they're like well, you
know, if this is a world where,like I have to kill my friend
(54:39):
for the world to survive, maybewe just don't let the world
survive, maybe we give somebodyelse a chance.
And so then at the end they'rejust sitting there at the stairs
and fucking dooder lights up ajoint and you know he's, you
know he's smoking his joint, hepasses it over to her.
They, you know she takes acouple of puffs and they're just
(55:00):
like.
You know, I wish I could haveseen him.
You know, big, fucking, bigangry gods.
I wish I could have seen thembefore.
Like everything goes to shit,right.
I wish I could have seen thembefore.
Like everything goes to shit,right.
And this, you know, I'd readthat this was kind of Whedon's
nod to one of the lines inAliens.
You know, between Gorman and, ohGod, god damn it, the, the, the
(55:26):
fucking, the, the chick,velasquez where, vas, velazquez
when you know, Vasquez Vasquezand you know it's her and Gorman
when they're in the air ductbefore they hit the grenade and
they blow themselves up.
And they blow up, like you know, 40 xenomorphs with them or
some shit, and their last wordsis you know, you always were an
(55:48):
asshole, gorman.
And then they blow themselvesup.
This was kind of his nod tothat scene where they're both
sitting there and they're likeyeah, you know, that was kind of
a dick move where I tried toshoot you.
It was a kind of a dick movewhere I let you get bitten by a
fucking werewolf.
Well, I guess, I guess we'rejust going to let it go to shit.
I wish I could have at leastseen these fucking, these giant
(56:10):
gods before everything goes tohell.
And then, of course, you knowthe, the, the giant hand like
comes up through bedrock andkills them immediately and then
all hell breaks loose and thencredits roll.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's well in in, that's epic,
like I mean, especially when youcan nod to an old flick, like,
like aliens.
But it's, I don't know it, itit brought some closure to the
story in in a way that, likeanother story that you don't
feel like is ever going to haveclosure Uh, the one with the old
(56:43):
gods, you know, rising fromfrom underneath and all of that
stuff it's like, well, that's astory that we're not going to
know anything about.
Um, nobody would have saw thatcoming, this one yeah, but this
one, this story, we, we get, weget that closure that you know.
Hey, sorry, you know I'm kindof an asshole, whatever, um,
(57:05):
it's no, it's just it, it's good, it's.
It's art, um, hilarious art,but it's it's good.
I like it.
So, um, so, yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to say that, uh,anybody, anybody who hasn't seen
this movie, go ahead and watchit.
It's a good movie, especiallyif you're not into horror flicks
(57:32):
and you want to watch somethingfor Halloween.
This is definitely a good one.
It'll give you a good laugh.
Yeah, thanks for coming on,derek.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I'm glad you suggested this one.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
I liked watching it good, good, thanks for having me
you got anything you want toplug um, well, let's see here.
Uh, you know, if anybody, uhanybody, wants to watch like
some guitar nonsense, you canfind me on instagram and youtube
at deke the gnome t-h-a gnome.
Uh, you know, sometimes you'llfind some, uh, some covers or,
(58:09):
uh, you, or just some randomguitar nonsense on there.
Otherwise, you can go lookingfor Mortal Desire D-E-Z-I-R-E,
because apparently I don't knowhow to spell.
That's that Nebraska schoolingthere for you.
But you can find us on all thesocials.
That is kind of a thrashprogressive metal project that
(58:31):
I've been attached to for like15, 20 years and, yeah, there
might be some other music stuffcoming down the pipe and we'll
see what happens.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
It's awesome, and I will have some links to that
stuff in the description on mypodcast.
So any of my listeners who areinterested just go ahead and go
to your favorite platform and uh, and take a look at the
description and you can click onthose links there.
Uh, aside from that, uh, you,you all know the, you all know
(59:03):
the regular routine.
Um, you know, if you want to beon the show, give me a, give me
a text message, or uh, you canleave me a voicemail at uh
402-519-5790.
You can also send me a, anemail, uh, to contact at
movie-rxcom.
Uh, if you're anxious and anddon't want to get on the, get on
(59:26):
a microphone.
That's cool, I totallyunderstand, Uh, but you can
always write me a paragraph ortwo and and uh, send it to me an
email or any other any otherform, and I can read it on air
for you.
Uh, remember, this movie is notintended to treat, cure or
prevent any disease and we'llsee you at the next appointment.
Thank you.
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