September 27, 2024 • 57 mins
Ever wondered how a quirky indie film like "Little Miss Sunshine" rose to Academy Award glory? Join us on Movie Rx as we bring Jamie from the Roundtable Mindset Podcast to dissect the fascinating five-year production journey of this beloved movie.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello and welcome to MovieRx, where I prescribe
entertainment, one movie at atime.
I am your host, dr Benjamin DSW.
What does DSW stand for?
Doing some work, Nothing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Nothing.
Nothing, okay, fine, whateverdude I was trying to think of
something better, but I gotnothing.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You suck, so I'm just going to have to introduce you
and get on the show In studiotoday, returning for another run
, one of the two hosts ofRoundtable Mindset Podcast.
Welcome my sister, jamie.
Welcome Jamie.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hello, well, hello.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Or you could do it, mrs Doubtfire style doubtfire
style hello yeah, I can't dothat actually, today we're doing
a movie that you gave me uh-huhuh, the first time I watched it
it's an indie film.
Uh, actually a very highgrossing indie film that took
nearly five years to make.
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
no, I didn't.
I guess I didn't know it wasindie either, although I should,
because it was good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, it took almost five years to make this movie,
from the time that they startedproduction to the time that they
put it out, and it was 100%because of funding.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Really Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They used five different VW buses for this too.
Yeah, what's really cool isthey did a, they showed it at a
drive-in theater and theyinvited all of the VW buses to
come in.
And so they had a.
They had a drive-in full ofnothing but VW buses watching
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this movie.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, that's, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's good character for this movie.
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I was going to say we could probably add the VW
bus to the list of characters.
If we're being super honest.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Probably yeah.
Now.
This movie also won the AcademyAward for Best Supporting Actor
.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Who is that?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Alan Arkin, I believe and also the Academy Award for
the Best Original Screenplay.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So cool.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, today we're doing Little Missed Sunshine
Basic movie.
Info on this movie We've got.
It's a Searchlight FoxSearchlight pictures production,
released in 2006, directed byit was.
It doesn't feel like it, butthen when you think about it
you're like damn yeah that was along time ago it was.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, my kids were two when this was released.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, yeah directed by jonathan and Valerie Ferris,
stars, Steve Carell, TonyCollette and Greg Kinnear, and
we also mentioned I mean, thoseare the poster names, but you
kind of have to have Alan Arkinon there- how could you not?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, he's like the star of any movie he's in.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, he's kind of the star supporting actor in
just about everything.
He's in the IMDb description onthis one.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The IMDb subtitle.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
A family determined to get their young daughter into
the finals of a beauty pageant,take a cross-country trip in
their VW bus.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Is it really cross-country though?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, I mean, it's New Mexico to California.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Isn't that like?
Okay, now I I'm just gonna stoptalking right there,
albuquerque.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, you, you remember when we went down to
phoenix.
You remember that drive fromfrom albuquerque, even just to
flagstaff oh, that's kind oftrue.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That was, that was a long, yeah, the desert, and
desert makes it feel like asojourn.
Then there's still Nevada to gothrough.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, no, like, forget that, nah, nah, dog.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
In a VW bus.
Let's just put that out therenow.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Right.
So initial movie impression onthis cinematography was good.
I mean, it's not like it's anaction movie or you know some
movie out in some visuallystunning place, I mean I guess
Arizona, and or you know somemovie out in some visually
stunning place, I mean I guess.
I mean I guess arizona and newmexico can be kind of pretty.
But but honestly though, likefor the movie that it is, the
cinematography was adequate, theacting was great.
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Yeah, on on everybody's part.
I don't think there was asingle person in here that I'd
be like dude, no way, except formaybe the lady that headed up
that pageant in California.
I did.
I hate that woman in everythingthat she's in.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Which is why she was perfect for the character you're
supposed to hate.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right, exactly, we'll get into the creep factor of
that asshole that sings at thepageant too.
Oh God, that is so damn creepy.
Anyway, acting was great,cinematography was adequate and
the music, the music in thismovie, the way that Jen put it,
I think, was the best way, andthat's that.
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The music just fit the family.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The music in this movie reminded me of the music
in Breaking Bad how like theyjust picked the best music for
every, every portion of that ofthat show, and that's kind of
how it.
That's what it reminded me of.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right, and it's funny because it's not the kind of
stuff that you'd expect.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Like as you're, as you're watching the movie,
you're like you know it doesn'tfit, but oh my God it fits.
Yeah, like it's one of thosesurprising things, but yeah,
better.
Uh, breaking Bad and BetterCall Saul were both a very
similar way where it was just,you know, music that was kind of
bizarre and obscure, just madethe movie.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It was perfect.
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It had been a while since I'd seen this, but it was.
It was kind of nice hearinglike Sufjan Stevens again like
in the background and all ofthat.
Yeah, just good, good stuff.
What.
How did you feel about themovie in general, like
technically?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I I suppose, yeah, there's.
I mean, there's nothing superremarkable about you know, the
cinematography, although I doreally love um the perspectives.
It felt like it was reallyunique for the time.
I feel like it's probably beenused a lot more since then.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But you know, when we're thinking 20 years ago, I
think that was part of what madethe film so cool was that it
was like it felt like adifferent style, like when, like
even just at the very beginning, when she's standing in front
of the television watching theMiss America pageant, like that
perspective that they have onher, standing there with her
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hand on her stomach and you knowshe's holding the, holding the,
the, you know the TV box, yep,and then just kind of you know,
standing there and then just theangle on it was just hilarious.
I don't know why it was funny.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I don't either.
Well, and that's I think Ithink the cinematography did add
to the.
It did add to the humor factorof it, you know, like I think,
to the hospital scene whenthey're, you know, inside and
outside and you know theswitching back and forth, and I
feel like that really added tothat scene and, like I said, I
(07:26):
feel like they've used it a lotmore since then, that style that
they had, but I feel like itwas kind of new when the movie
came out yeah, as far asfilmmaking rules go, they still.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
They still followed all of them.
There's like a 180 rule where,like, if you draw a line between
two people's faces that arelooking at each other, you pick
a side of the line and when youswitch from one person to the
other, you have to stay on thatside of that line because
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otherwise, if you switch over tothe other side, then it starts
to take you out of the scene andit and it and it takes the
viewer like it.
It confuses the viewer's brain,because that's not natural.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So, but they still followed that even with that,
like coming in and out of the,the, the hospital and all of
that stuff through the window,like they still followed all of
those basic, basic basic rulesand and it and it, like they
still followed all of thosebasic, basic basic rules and it
wasn't chaos.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, well, and I feel like some of the way they
filmed this also helped lend tothe urgency of the mission,
right, yeah, and I think,iconically, the perspective of
them watching them all run toget into the, into the
Volkswagen bus repeatedly, likethey kind of filmed it the same
(08:50):
each time, I feel like and so itwas like oh, here we go again,
you know, yeah, I mean it wouldhave taken away from it, but you
almost hear the Benny Hilltheme.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
you know it would have taken away from it, but you
almost hear the Benny Hilltheme.
You know the um, but yeah, soanyway, the with with the
characters section, uh, I'm I'mgoing to kind of do, uh, I'm
going to kind of do what, whatI've been favoring in the last
several episodes, and that'sjust kind of picking our
favorites.
I'll let you go first.
(09:23):
What's what's one of yourfavorite characters?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Um, I think I would say I identified a ton with mom
that frenzied, trying to holdeverything together, um, doing
the best she can, kind of thingwas was awesome.
I loved that about her.
I also really loved the careand support that you saw for her
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kids both of them.
There was some tenderness thereand I loved that.
I also really loved the dad.
He was another favorite for mejust because because I identify
so much with how hard he tried.
You know what I mean.
Like yeah, so like I'm going tofart rainbows and sunshine even
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when there's no rainbows andsunshine anywhere.
You know what I mean.
Like I just identified so muchwith that, and so I think those
were two of my favorites,although I mean, I could sit
here and talk about my favoritething, about Olive and Dwayne
and Grandpa and you know Unclewho, frank, oh, that's right,
(10:35):
uncle Frank.
I loved him, each of them.
Yeah, I loved all of them.
I think that's what made themovie is the characters and the
and the story and the characterbuilding in this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, and I mean I mean kind of jumping the gun a
little bit, but it's it's aninappropriate time to do it.
The very first talking pointthat I had was that the whole
family was kind of self-absorbed.
Everybody everybody in this,this movie, everybody in the
family was more concerned withwhat it was that they were
concerned with, whatever it wasthat was most important to them
(11:13):
see, I so disagree with that butwell, except that it's not.
I mean, dad wanted his, wantedhis success with his goofy nine
step program.
Grandpa wanted to just not nothave to worry about anything,
All it well.
Okay, Grandpa did he.
He was also with Olive on theon the pageant thing.
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Olive was completely consumedby the pageant thing.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, olive was saying so.
Yeah, to be fair, that's herjob, there's that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Dwayne was completely absorbed with his, you know,
being a test pilot.
You know just kind of it wasjust like everybody was just
concerned with their own shitand they didn't care about
anybody else's stuff.
But at the same time, that waswhat made it like so incredibly
interesting, because they allhad their own story.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, that's true, I can, I can, I can agree with
that.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah and and so because of that, I really had a
hard time with the my favoritecharacters in this.
Because of that, like I don'tknow, like I mean for Dwayne as
an example, like I can totallyrelate to that.
Like I was, I was that kid thatwould do that, that crazy goofy
(12:29):
shit that made no sense becauseI was going to do it until I
got what I wanted.
You know well, I mean startingmy goddamn podcast 15 years ago.
I swore to god that I was goingto break out with a podcast
that had perfect sound, and itwas going to be.
It was going to sound like aradio show right from the get go
.
And here I am, 15 years later,after having the capability of
(12:53):
making a, a, a professionalsounding podcast for 10 years or
more, you know, finally makinga podcast because it was going
to be goddamn perfect right fromthe beginning.
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I completely agree.
Like I can, I can relate toDwayne on that.
And grandpa, like I mean hejust, he just wants what's best
for for Olive in her, in herthing, you know.
But honestly I have to say thatof all of them and this one
kind of surprised me a littlebit when I really thought about
it.
I think of all of them, andthis one kind of surprised me a
little bit when I really thoughtabout it.
I think of all of them.
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The dad is my favorite.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah yeah, that kind of surprises me too.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, he just.
I mean there's just, there'ssomething about it, richard, is
he's?
You know what?
I'm not going to go into thatnow.
We'll get into that a littlebit later.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay, good Cause, I have some thoughts about that
too.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Good.
So, um well, I mean all of hisawesome.
I just have to say all of hisawesome.
Do you, do you recognize her atall?
Did you ever see like zombieland?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Is that the one where it has like?
It switches perspective, likefrom they stop and like look at
the camera and or, I can'tremember.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Zombieland is the one with, like Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yes, that is the one I'm thinking of.
Olive was Arizona.
I think her name was Arizona.
The girl in that, like the maingirl, was Olive.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Grown up.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
See, you know where I recognized Olive from.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Signs.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Signs yeah this one has amoebas yeah, she was also
an ender's game.
She was ender's older sisterand ender's game valentine
anyway.
But yeah, just adorable littlegirl that just did really really
goofy shit and and I don't knowthere were and more stuff that
I just have to that I have towait until till it comes up in
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conversation to really talkabout.
So we'll just go ahead and moveon.
Points of interest First oneyou've got down here is
exaggerated characters.
Real family yeah, tell me aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I think what I loved, I love so much, is that it was
like it was like you.
You take a normal family andput a magnifying glass on it and
it just like these bigger thanlife characters, but the
dynamics were so true to family.
You know what I mean.
And what I mean by that is likeone of the things that I've
kind of learned through my workis how families they kind of I
(15:30):
don't know I kind of describe itlike a carousel right.
So when you've got a family,just like a carousel, like a
baby carousel over a crib, theyhave to find a balance right.
And so when you've got someonein the family who maybe
struggles with addiction orstruggles with some mental
health problems or somethinglike that, it can put some
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weight on one side of thecarousel and everyone else has
to kind of adjust to make itbalance right.
So that's where you have, youknow, you have one spouse who's
an addict and you have the otherspouse who's codependent and
you know, maybe consideredenabling, but that person is
really just trying to keep thebalance of the family together
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and things like that.
And so it was kind ofinteresting just seeing that
dynamic in this family and how,you know, like dad's, dad's got
these pie in the sky dreams andmom's a realist and trying to be
like, yeah, but we have to paythe, we have to pay the mortgage
, right, like right.
It was super fascinating towatch that um play out and even
(16:34):
I'm surprised you picked the dadas your favorite character
because I identified you so muchwith Dwayne, with the son.
You know what I mean.
It just it made me think of youas a kid, it made me think of
you in high school.
And then of course, we've gotour little sister who wants to
be in the beauty pageant andthat totally it just it was kind
of fun to see our family inthat family.
(16:58):
You know what I mean and howall of these different roles
played out.
And you know there were onlytwo kids, not three, but still
it just it felt like I couldidentify pieces of that family
with ours.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So yeah, and and a lot of really strange.
I don't want to get into it toomuch, but yeah, there's.
I didn't.
I guess I didn't really thinkabout it that way until until
you mentioned it yeah, um, Ithink the characters could the
characters have different names?
Yeah, but and some of the someof the characters are
(17:30):
represented like multiplecharacters, are represented in
multiple people or in one person.
You know rather, but yeah yeah,I didn't.
I didn't really think aboutthat until you mentioned it
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Go watch it again now .
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, now I'm going to have to watch it again.
I mean, I've watched it twicein the last three days, so why
not?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Why not One more?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Pageant Queen training camp with grandpa.
Support for Holif, butseemingly not.
Not for his son.
It's there just harsh love.
The pep talk from grandpa oh, Iknow what you're talking about
yeah, yeah, well, and I thinkthat was.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I loved the unconditional support for olive
from grandpa.
Yeah, like there is, there isone person who was non-stop
there and absolutely believedshe could do it and that belief
helped her believe right yeah,no reservations.
(18:32):
Yes I mean here's mom balancing150 000 things and dad trying
to get this dream off the ground.
Grandpa was pretty harsh withwith dad, but a lot yeah.
But then when he had that thingI don't know like his book or
his program didn't sell orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Right, the Larry Sugarman, which is actually a
character in another moviecalled Fargo.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It was a nod to Fargo , larry Sugarman.
Yeah, I think, larry.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Sugarman.
Yeah, I think of Sugarman, Ithink of Jerry Maguire.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
One of the one of the Sugarman.
One of the other sports agentswas Sugarman Sugar.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, was it a player .
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Oh, it was a player, was it?
I think so.
Oh, you're thinking Cush incushman?
Oh, there's cush cush, that's agood movie too.
No, what was?
Uh?
Larry sugarman had tried to?
Was was going to promote hisstuff and try to get it into a
pro like as a program, andnobody bought it right.
And so, like he was, he wasreally upset because, well, it
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wasn't gonna go anywhere and hisdad kind of called it like
basically called his bluff, youknow, because he comes back to
the bus and he's all you know.
Well, it's fine, I'm stillgoing to try because I'm a
winner and you know all thisother stuff.
And his dad just comes up andyou know, hey, you went for it,
(19:59):
you failed, but you went for it.
You failed, but you went for itand I'm still proud of you well
, and the thing that stuck outto me is you did.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You did something most people won't even try, even
me yeah and it was just like I,you know, because the whole
time grandpa's pretty, prettyterse with everyone except for
Olive.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Terse or crass.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's just be honest, it's both except Olive.
And so you know, to have thatmoment where he, you know, he,
he was able to give his, his kid, exactly what he needed, in
that, in that moment, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And and something else that I think that is really
important to point out aboutthat scene very specifically is
dad's initial reaction to thatis All right, thanks dad, you
know, just kind of get out of myface, whatever, you know,
whatever old man kind of thing.
And then after, after his dad,you know, puts his hand on his
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shoulder and just sits there fora moment.
Thanks dad, he just you know.
Then, then that's's when, whenthe genuine part of him comes
out, which is really funny,because just not too much, you
know further before, like withthat whole thanks dad thing,
like how he was talking about,how sarcasm is the refuge of, of
(21:17):
a, of a loser yeah.
And then he throws thatsarcastic shit out at his dad
and his dad just stays rightthere.
You know, that was.
That was pretty good, and I Ithink that it's important to
point out that that there wasthat, that duality, just in in
five seconds.
So, yeah, anyway, moving on.
Family starts working togetherto accomplish a goal seconds.
(21:40):
So, yeah, anyway, moving on.
Family starts working togetherto accomplish a goal, builds a
bond.
Obstacles they overcome, bringthem closer together.
Obstacles in this movie arejust, are just fucking
everywhere.
And not only are theyeverywhere, but they are bizarre
, yeah, yeah.
I mean, first off, who knewthat that proust scholars would
be worth a shit for anything toanybody, let alone deserving of
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a macarthur grant?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I don't even know what that is a macarthur grant.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Macarthur grants are for for genius basically
scholars.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I was like what?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
yeah, proust scholars , um, but it's like, yeah, I
don't know, but it's like alllike he goes to a gas station in
the middle of nowhere and comesacross this dude that you know,
that made him want to, thatmade him want him to complete
suicide, right, and so he's likehe's got that.
And then the other dude thatwins the MacArthur grant is with
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him.
No, so he's.
So he's got that in his face,balls in his face, right there
at the gas station, and it'sonly mildly funny that it's
balls in his face like thatwhile he's buying porn for
grandpa.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Right and a little treat for yourself and a little
treat for himself.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But all all of this stuff you know for just for
Frank and Frank is the guy whocomes in late in the game.
Like I mean he's, he's there inthe beginning of the movie but
he's not, he's not a part of thefamily immediately.
Like I mean he's stuck inDwayne's room with Dwayne
because he can't, he can't sleepalone.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That was probably my first favorite interaction in
the movie.
When those two Well, when itwas, when it was time for bed,
and this is why, when you saidthat the, the characters were
like self-absorbed, this was thefirst indication to me that I
didn't.
I didn't agree with.
That is when because duanedoesn't talk right, so he writes
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all of his stuff out and on thenotepad he said please don't
kill yourself tonight right andand the uncle, who isn't part of
the day in and day out of thefamily this is kind of his
introduction to being part ofthe family said I wouldn't do
that to you yeah, I'm not.
I'm not gonna do that, not onyour watch exactly like and, and
(23:58):
so you know it's duane startedthe whole movie with I hate
everyone and he's like well,what about your family?
everyone, he underlines everyoneand so it was like it was like.
This is it was almost like thepersona they wanted out there,
but it wasn't reality.
You know what I mean that itwasn't.
It's like, I don't know.
(24:18):
I guess maybe self-absorbedfeels intentional.
I don't feel like it was anintentional, like I don't give a
crap about anybody else.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
No, no, I don't.
I don't think that it was, Idon't think it was malicious.
I think it was just thateverybody was so, so concerned
with what they were doing andand what their goals were yeah
they couldn't.
They couldn't see how importantthings were to the other people
in their family.
Right, and the mom was pullingher hair out over it.
(24:49):
You know like she just wants tokeep the house together and you
know she wants to keep herbrother alive.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well and help Olive feel as good about herself as
she possibly can help duane gethis goal and support her husband
exactly like his dream, yeahyeah
Speaker 2 (25:09):
yeah, like I mean it as, as weird as it is, that that
sounds like self-absorption,like that.
That was what she was concernedwith.
She was concerned with keepingeverything together.
So, yeah, richard's stuff mighthave to take a back seat to
that.
Why?
Because they need to pay bills,you know, and in order to get
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Olive to go, she had to takeeverybody in the family on this
road trip, and in order toconvince Dwayne, she had to give
him a go ahead on on flightschool, you know, and and all
this other stuff.
So, like I said, I don't thinkit was, I don't think it was
malicious.
I think that everybody was justreally concerned with what,
what they had going on, thatthey couldn't, they couldn't
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really see other people's valuein whatever it was that they
were doing.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So yeah, that's, that's where I was coming from
with that, with the selfabsorption thing.
Maybe that's just.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Maybe that's just poor, poor choice of of words to
describe it but or it's just myown negative connotation,
because I'm a negative person bynature.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, shitting rainbows.
Yeah, well, and I?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
do.
I do think that what I lovedabout, what I loved about them
coming together and gettingthrough the obstacles, is that
it just it really did remind meof those times when my kids were
younger.
I remember being in high school, feeling like this is my whole
world, and my whole world ishigh school and there's not
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understanding that there is awhole life beyond high school.
And you know, there wereseveral times that we did have
to come together and just, youknow, hey, there is absolutely
nothing we can't do together.
There is never a time whereyou're alone.
There's never a time where youhave to try and figure it out on
your own.
If we're here together as afamily, we can get through it,
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and part of, I think, why thatwas such a standout thing for me
was because of that's.
The message I wanted to makesure my kids got was that we are
family and we will get throughthis together, no matter what it
is.
I don't care how bad it is, Idon't care how scared you are to
tell me, we can get through ittogether.
(27:26):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
That's, that's really uh.
Having having that cohesion ina family is really difficult to
maintain, yeah, Especially when,like especially with this
family like the two kids are intwo completely different places
in life Yep, there's eight yearsdifference between the two of
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them.
Damn, near a decade.
Olive is like in trainingwheels while the other one,
while Dwayne, is thinking aboutflying planes.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, and I got a sense and they didn't really
spell it out, but I got a sensethat Dwayne was his mom's from a
previous marriage, that he wasa stepson in this, in this
family.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh.
I guess I didn't really catchthat.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well, if you remember , when he got really upset and
finally talked for the firsttime, the first thing he said to
his family was divorced,bankrupt crazy or something.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I think what he was talking about was that they were
well maybe.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think he was, I think because he described each
one of them in some way, and soI think he was yelling at his
mom you're divorced, you're this, you're that?
I hate you all.
Right, like there was somethingwrong with every single one of
you.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And so I get a sense that there's.
There's a dynamic there that Ididn't.
I just picked up on that.
When I watched it yesterday Iwas like huh, I wonder if that's
part of because there isn't thetenderness from dad to duane
that there is to olive, and Ididn't know if that's because
she's younger, if that's becauseyou know, but I wonder if
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that's part of it well, and hedoesn't wow.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
He doesn't ever really parent duane either.
That's always mom.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes and she's kind of protective of him and defensive
of him.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, and even just you and your household?
He doesn't, he didn't do any ofthe parenting.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That was all you.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He'd step in if he needed to say, a couple of times
he stepped in, but no, it wasbut yeah, but that was your job,
because, oh wow, I guess Ididn't.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I didn't notice that either.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I think I think that that was and I don't know.
Like I said, they weren't superexplicit about it, but that was
kind of the impression that Igot after hearing him kind of
tell them what to do.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, yeah, some of the some of the scenes and stuff
that I kind of wanted to talkabout.
One of them was the diner scene, when they're sitting there
ordering breakfast.
First off, let's just talkabout.
Everybody can spend up to $4for fucking breakfast.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And then they're getting waffles and eggs and
bacon and ice cream and shitlike that.
Waffles a la mode.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, a la mode-y.
But yeah, you can definitelytell that's from a different age
.
Yep, but aside from that, therewas a.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
There was a lot of telling information in that you
got to see it was like a, a rawbear version of the dynamic in
that family.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, you see the grandpa's support of the
daughter, granddaughter.
Yep Judgment contempt what'sthe word that I want to use for
dad?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Pressure.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Pressure.
He was trying to be tactful butwasn't his in fat shaming his
daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It wasn't fat shaming .
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'm going to I feel like I'm going to argue with you
on this point.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Well, cause I do.
I mean, I think that that issuch a universal parent concern,
right?
Like, how do I teach my kidshow to have a balanced diet and
be healthy and do all the rightthings without?
I mean, that's what I watchedon that screen was, how do you
have that conversation becauseyou care about your kid and you
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want them to be healthy?
And I mean he brought the whole, did you?
Do you see any of the beautypageant Queens that are fat,
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think he brought that in because he was trying to
get her to care about it too.
He was trying to you know whatI mean.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
But it was like for me it was watching the internal
struggle about whatever thesubject was, not just fat
shaming, but even, like you know, how do you talk to your kids
about?
About sex and express yourdesire for them to not engage in
that activity when they're tooyoung and still not make it a
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stigma and not make them youknow what I mean, like help them
have healthy, healthyexpectations or healthy
understanding about it, without,without shaming them about
things like that.
It's a hard balance for parentsand it was cool that it was
like dad and mom displayed thatdichotomy, that internal
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conflict as a parent.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Right.
Well, and I think the reasonwhy it feels so icky for me
because when she does get heralimody and she just sits and
stares at it and does anybodywant my ice cream?
Like that heartbreak in it isjust like it makes you want to
(32:56):
turn to kaneer and be like you,fucking asshole, like just just
one of those.
The reason why it pisses youoff so much is because as soon
as Grandpa and Frank and Dwaynedo the right thing, yeah, we'll
have some ice cream.
I don't know why anybodywouldn't want some of their ice
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cream this early in the morning.
For breakfast For breakfast, youknow, and, and all of that, you
know, they and they finally gether to.
Oh, I'm gonna have some of myfucking ice cream yeah, don't
eat at all the, the thing.
The thing that gets me is andswear to god, this little girl
is going to be one of thegreatest actresses ever if she
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can hold this kind of, this kindof ability as she gets older,
that sheer look of absolute joythat she has in enjoying that
ice cream yeah it's not justthat like she's scarfing it down
, like kids do, because you, yousee it, kids eat ice cream and
they're just like shoveling thatstuff in and they're just
(34:00):
they're.
They're getting it on thetongue and then passing it down
to the stomach like that's allit is.
But this little girl enjoyedthe ice cream and she, she just
sat in the moment of of oftaking it in and enjoying it and
it was okay.
Taking that away from that kid,greg Kinnear, you're a fucking
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asshole, like it.
Just it just comes right back,it's, it's a, and I think that's
why it felt so icky to me wasbecause, like it felt like he
was taking joy away from hisdaughter.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well, and the sad thing is is that you know as as
much as I have empathy for that,because I get that.
I get that space.
I understand I understand thatconflict.
Also love that mom had thatopposite effect where it was,
you know.
That's where are we placing ourvalue Right, like our value in
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our daughter is in the way shelooks.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Um, but I also know that there is.
There is a huge deal of concernand and hardship for for
parents who want, you know, whosee their kids have a dream,
that fear that they won't beable to to reach it.
Or, you know, I, I, I, I reallydid I was able to empathize
with him in that space.
Was it?
(35:23):
Yes, was it a jerk move?
Yeah, I'll give you that, but Ialso, yeah, just really could
empathize with that.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
He's a fucking asshole.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Okay, fine, I'm just.
I'm just saying Well, and thatkind of I mean that kind of
leads into another point ofinterest that I had.
Like you know, dad was puttingso much pressure on himself and
his whole family, then right,yeah the pressure that he had on
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himself that became thepressure the family put on
themselves.
Also becomes the grit to getthrough the whole thing right I
mean, and not just to get totheir destination, but also to
leave.
In what many people there wouldconsider a flame of failure,
they left triumphant.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's because they it's like that pressure got them
there.
That was able to be the vehicleto get them to the end.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
With his whole nine step thing.
He was really applying that tohimself and to his family and he
was trying so hard for it to bereal.
Like, I mean, it's well, familysupport, when you, or as a
family, peer support worker,when you would peer support your
family, they really didn'tappreciate it, right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Really.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Like when you try to peer support your kids, they'd
be like fucking enough, mom,like you know it, you know that
that's what.
Yes, they do the same thing tome when I peer, when I family
support them, right, you knowwhen I'm like you know, hey, you
know.
If you'd like I can help you outwith a budget or whatever
they're like yeah, they're likeyou know, screw you and they're
(37:22):
somewhere and so like, yeah,anytime that you have that stuff
, that and and really I meansome of these jobs and things
like that can really be a lotlike his, his nine step program,
where it's something that youreally believe in and you really
want it to be, you know,something successful and
something that works, and so youpractice it all the time.
Him trying to practice it withhis family, annoyed the shit out
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of his family, no one more thanhis dad.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
You know what, though , as we're talking about that,
the cool thing is is that yougot to see, at the end, you got
to see the aha of thedevelopment of probably step 10.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Because it was like that moment where he realized
the outward showing of successisn't what makes you a winner.
It's the process that you gothrough to get there Right.
It's the lessons you learnalong the way.
It's the hard work you put init's finishing the race.
Those all make you a winner,like it's not.
(38:30):
Hey, I've got a million dollarsin the bank and I'm on a talk
show circuit, or something likethat.
You and that was.
I think that was.
The coolest part is when, whenyou saw him, his whole mindset
shifted and it was like you knowwhat, screw it, this is what
we're gonna teach my kid today,when his attachment to image was
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was finally let go.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
That you know what a what a thing looks like does not
denote its value Cause.
That I mean.
To be completely honest, that'swhat I hated about this guy
through most of the movie was.
It just felt like he was justso focused on the image and it's
like, dude, just let it go.
(39:18):
Then yeah, and then you'reright, like when, when he's at a
pageant and they're telling himto take his daughter off the
stage and he's, and he's given amoment to think about, I mean,
even even just before that,before Olive went out, he and
the whole family like, well,okay, not the whole family, it
(39:39):
was him and Frank and Dwayne,they were all.
Mom, you cannot let her go outthere Like they're going to tear
her to shreds.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, and I love that because it was so protective,
like it wasn't, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
It wasn't like we don't have confidence in our
family member.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
And it wasn't embarrassment, it was protection
.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
We don't want her to get hurt.
You know, and was at the sametime God, what a mom Like.
No, you guys, shut up and lether live her dream.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Like, and it had nothing to do with the fact that
they just drove 700 miles.
It had nothing to do with thefact that they had to run every
time they wanted to start theirvan up.
It had nothing to do with thefact that the grandpa was dead.
It had nothing to do with anyof that.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
All of it was about Olive's dream.
Well, and and I think one ofthe things that I loved about
that scene too, it was like thiswhole time, the whole movie,
you look at this family andyou're like holy crap, they're
so weird.
Yeah, Like you have a sensethat they are the weirdest
people on the planet.
And then you put them and youpluck them out of what you've
been watching them in, and youpluck them into a beauty pageant
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and suddenly they're normal.
Right, that was like a weirdersituation right, like the really
weird people were now aroundthem and they were the cool,
normal people and I loved thatshift in perspective as a viewer
of that.
It was amazing, it wasabsolutely amazing and I also I
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think it speaks a lot how thefamily circled around the dream
of one of their people and itwas like I saw that missing with
dad's dream and it was therefor all of stream and and I
almost think, cause this issomething I do all the time I
(41:41):
think about what happens next inthe movie.
Why?
Cause there's no, there's nosequel.
So what?
What was next?
And I wonder, after dad wasable to shift his perspective a
bit, if they were able to buyinto his dream too and buy into
Dwayne's dream and you know whatI mean like how good that is
for family and and the synergyfor a family and the connections
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in a family to rally around adream of one of them and support
them in that.
So yeah.
I jumped around a little bit onmy list here.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, I was.
I was going oh shit, where'sthe the being with?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, that was, um.
That was one of the things thatI loved the most is.
It's almost like they were ableto rally around all of, because
all of was so supportive of allof them.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, like she, just she.
She showed care for everysingle one of them throughout
the entire movie.
You know, when uncle Frank cameand he had the bandages on his
wrist, well, what happened?
You know?
And, and and I think a lot oftimes as parents we think that
our kids are just being invasiveand asking a bunch of senseless
, annoying questions.
I think she was seeking tounderstand and then, like, even
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in the van, she's like yeah, Ithink you're going to go to
heaven, you know what I mean.
So she showed all of this careand concern throughout the movie
and the time that it made thebiggest impact was was with
Dwayne.
You know, when he found out hewas colorblind and probably
wouldn't be able to fly jetplanes, and he freaked out and
(43:14):
broke his silence and none ofthe rest of them knew what to do
.
And so dad suggests Olive goesand goes and talks to him, and
all she did was walk down to himand put her arm around him and
and put her head on his shoulder, and in that moment, being with
him was enough of a connectionfor him to understand.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Like, did you notice in that scene when they stood up
, she went and gave him the hugand then they stood up and
started walking up the hill.
Did you see the sign in thefield behind him.
Said United, we stand.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Aww, yeah, yeah, I love that.
It's a little Easter egg, see.
I'm shocked that the peoplethat did Breaking Bad didn't do
the same thing, because I don'tknow if you noticed hank and
walt.
Hank and walt were both in thismovie.
Hank was hank was dirty hankwas, hank was, hank was dirty
(44:13):
and breaking bad.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I mean, come on uh well, he was obnoxious.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I don't know about dirty, he was just obnoxious
yeah, he told dirty jokes withthe niece and nephew around.
Come on now.
Oh maybe I mean it changedlater in the show.
But yeah, I was just like howis this not the same people?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Like that made this movie.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah.
Well and Albuquerque.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
That's what I'm saying From.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Albuquerque.
Yeah, no, it's pretty funny.
I I actually thought aboutthose, what the you know, the
first time we watched it again Iwas like, I was like huh
albuquerque, hank and walt, bothin the movie.
I wonder if this had anythingto do with freaking bad people,
but I haven't found anything, sowell and yeah, yeah, it's good
(45:02):
stuff.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, I loved the part where frank and duane now
that duane has broken silence,frank and duane are talking,
they're having lots ofconversation about things, and I
loved the part where they wereboth like they had left the
beauty pageant because theycouldn't take it anymore.
Right, and he was like life isjust one big beauty pageant
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after another, after another,after another, and for them I
think that was such a greatconnection between the two of
them because with Frank and hismega genius brain, he's the
foremost scholar of his fieldand stuff.
And then you know, d know duane, who physical defect him not
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being able to see color meantthat he may not be able to fly
jet planes, and you know, it wasjust like.
It was reflective for me ofsociety's pressure.
Dad had been putting it on themthe whole time.
Um, that image thing and ofcourse that is that runs deep
with beauty pageants.
Anyway, you know what I mean.
(46:08):
It just is like yep, why do weput our value in that?
And you know, just a good.
I think that was just a goodreminder.
Maybe that might be mymedicinal element Oops, I
might've jumped the gun, that'sokay, you know what, tell me
(46:30):
tell me about your activeingredient.
I think that was it.
I think it was.
You know, I loved how beautifulOlive's confidence was.
I loved how she, of herself, inand of herself, would not have
been not if even batted aneyelash at going out there with
her stick, straight hair and aponytail and really terrible
bathing suit and doing the dancethat she had worked so hard on,
(46:53):
if it hadn't been for outsideforces, if it hadn't been for
outside people telling her thatshe wasn't good enough.
It reminded me how important itis to not only give that message
to our kids that they are goodenough, that they are you know,
they are capable of doingamazing things but also, like
the most important voice in thatfor all of us is ourselves.
(47:17):
You know, I have to believe inmyself that I can do it, because
no one else is going to givethat to me.
Everyone else is going to tellme all the reasons I can't do it
, and I need to remember thereasons that I can.
You know what I mean, and sothat, um, that was yeah, that
was kind of the.
The takeaway for me is just toremember not only that I can be,
(47:40):
that for someone I can be thatvoice of of affirmation for
another person, but that Ireally need to remember to
affirm myself and to remindmyself all of the reasons that I
am, that I am good enough and Idon't have to, I don't have to
accept another person's standardfor myself.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I love this movie.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
It's a good movie.
Now, for me, it has a lot to dowith why, why Richard is my, is
my favorite character in all ofit.
Something, something that'sbeen really important to me in
the years since this movie cameout, is recognizing that that
people can change.
Super, super important to me,and it's and it's because of
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it's because of Richard.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Throughout the entire movie, I hated him.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Like fucking asshole.
I mean just dude.
Like leave off man, like stepoff your family and quit being a
dick Um, a judgmental prick allthe time.
And so all it took was a littlebit of experience and love for
his family and then finally,finally, he found what he needed
(48:56):
to change.
I think the reason why that'sso important is because look at
all the people that we observein society, in your day to day,
like listen to some of yourconversations that you have with
people, and one that's supercommon is meth head.
Oh, that's the meth head.
(49:17):
Well, they're, they're a person.
Yes, they might be strugglingwith struggling with addiction
right now, but that's not whothey are.
Those people can change.
If you don't believe that thosepeople can change, then you
can't change either.
But everybody has the abilityto look back, like anybody
(49:39):
that's 20 years older orwhatever.
You can look back and go.
How much, how much am I similarto the person that I was 10
years ago?
So much change that happensthroughout every year of your
life that you, that you are notthe same person ever in any in
any like, given a length of time.
And to think that somebodycan't change who they are is
(50:03):
just wrong, and I think that Iwas really guilty of thinking
that some people just can'tchange, some people are always
going to be what they are orwhatever, and I think a lot of
that has to do with the factthat, I mean, the reason why it
was so important to me wasbecause, around this time, this
movie had given me, had given methe basically the gumption to
(50:29):
know that I could too.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, yeah, I, uh, I love, I love my work because of
that, Because I'm not.
I'm not an agent of change, butI am a witness of change.
I get to see it every day andit's the coolest thing.
And the truth of the matter isthat when people I can't say
can't change, but when peopledon't change, it makes me wonder
(50:53):
if there's enough people aroundthem who believe that they can
change and then give them thatconfidence to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know what I mean it's amazing what one person's
investment can do yeah toanother person.
Just one person can really makea difference for somebody.
It's a very extreme example but, like with with addicts, a lot
of what keeps addicts fromseeking recovery is they don't
(51:27):
think anybody believes in them.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
You show them, dude, you have value.
I believe you can do this.
Invest in that person.
One person can make a hugedifference for that person.
Like I said, that's just anextreme example.
I mean, there's so manydifferent things that that can
be for for so many differentpeople and I don't know that's.
That's why, ultimately, mrKinnear, as much as I've told
(51:56):
you, you know, fuck you.
In this episode you're prettyawesome Cause you represent.
You represent that change thatanybody can have as long as they
want it and as long as they'reopen to it.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, and imagine how much more believable his nine
or 10 steps will be after yeah.
Now that he's lived it, youknow what I mean.
Now that he it's, I stillreally want to know what those,
what those nine steps?
Speaker 2 (52:22):
are Like I.
I still really want to knowwhat those nine steps are.
It would be interesting to findout.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, I want to know.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I wonder if there's like a fan-made thing about that
.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
That would be great.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
We'd have to look into that just to see if there
is a Richard Hoover.
Which, by the way, can we justtalk about?
How funny that little thing is,richard Hoover.
Okay, come on now.
Apparently that is a part ofthe whole, the whole yeah, I can
imagine so this is such a great.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
What I loved about this movie is that it was funny
enough to um to entertain, andyet I I would call it a
feel-good movie.
You know what I mean like yeahit was entertaining.
Of course, anytime thesecharacters, like these actors,
coming together is like how doyou not have a great movie right
?
Speaker 2 (53:09):
well, and this was.
This was right before stevecarell took off yeah, well,
wasn't this?
Speaker 1 (53:16):
now I can't remember.
Was this just before of analmighty, or was it just after?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I can't remember this was just before leave.
It was just before 40 year old,virgin that came after.
I didn't that come after thatwas his big breakout, yeah yeah,
because that was.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
I mean, I just I adore him and everything he
plays.
I adore him.
He's funny.
Yeah, he just makes me smile.
He's got good comedic timing orsomething, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Or eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It's the eyebrows.
Yeah, could be Right.
Well, thank you for uh.
Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Uh, go ahead and plug your stuff.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Well, as Ben mentioned at the top of the
episode has been mentioned atthe top of the episode, I am one
half of Roundtable Mindset.
My friend Malin and I have apodcast where we're really
focusing on difficultconversations this season,
talking about things that arehard to talk about with people
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got, I've got the.
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Like but the the long E sound.
That would be proper, with itStarting with a uh, with with a
vowel the Insta, yeah, not theInsta, cause it just doesn't fly
as well with English.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, I also, you know, hang out a lot with the
Doyle, so I don't know, I makeeverything proper, I guess.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
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Welcome Jamie.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hello, well, hello.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Or you could do it, mrs Doubtfire style doubtfire
style hello yeah, I can't dothat actually, today we're doing
a movie that you gave me uh-huhuh, the first time I watched it
it's an indie film.
Uh, actually a very highgrossing indie film that took
nearly five years to make.
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
no, I didn't.
I guess I didn't know it wasindie either, although I should,
because it was good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, it took almost five years to make this movie,
from the time that they startedproduction to the time that they
put it out, and it was 100%because of funding.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Really Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They used five different VW buses for this too.
Yeah, what's really cool isthey did a, they showed it at a
drive-in theater and theyinvited all of the VW buses to
come in.
And so they had a.
They had a drive-in full ofnothing but VW buses watching
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this movie.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know, that's, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's good character for this movie.
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I was going to say we could probably add the VW
bus to the list of characters.
If we're being super honest.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Probably yeah.
Now.
This movie also won the AcademyAward for Best Supporting Actor
.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Who is that?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Alan Arkin, I believe and also the Academy Award for
the Best Original Screenplay.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So cool.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, today we're doing Little Missed Sunshine
Basic movie.
Info on this movie We've got.
It's a Searchlight FoxSearchlight pictures production,
released in 2006, directed byit was.
It doesn't feel like it, butthen when you think about it
you're like damn yeah that was along time ago it was.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, my kids were two when this was released.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, yeah directed by jonathan and Valerie Ferris,
stars, Steve Carell, TonyCollette and Greg Kinnear, and
we also mentioned I mean, thoseare the poster names, but you
kind of have to have Alan Arkinon there- how could you not?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, he's like the star of any movie he's in.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, he's kind of the star supporting actor in
just about everything.
He's in the IMDb description onthis one.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
The IMDb subtitle.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
A family determined to get their young daughter into
the finals of a beauty pageant,take a cross-country trip in
their VW bus.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Is it really cross-country though?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, I mean, it's New Mexico to California.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Isn't that like?
Okay, now I I'm just gonna stoptalking right there,
albuquerque.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, you, you remember when we went down to
phoenix.
You remember that drive fromfrom albuquerque, even just to
flagstaff oh, that's kind oftrue.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That was, that was a long, yeah, the desert, and
desert makes it feel like asojourn.
Then there's still Nevada to gothrough.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, no, like, forget that, nah, nah, dog.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
In a VW bus.
Let's just put that out therenow.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Right.
So initial movie impression onthis cinematography was good.
I mean, it's not like it's anaction movie or you know some
movie out in some visuallystunning place, I mean I guess
Arizona, and or you know somemovie out in some visually
stunning place, I mean I guess.
I mean I guess arizona and newmexico can be kind of pretty.
But but honestly though, likefor the movie that it is, the
cinematography was adequate, theacting was great.
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Yeah, on on everybody's part.
I don't think there was asingle person in here that I'd
be like dude, no way, except formaybe the lady that headed up
that pageant in California.
I did.
I hate that woman in everythingthat she's in.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Which is why she was perfect for the character you're
supposed to hate.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Right, exactly, we'll get into the creep factor of
that asshole that sings at thepageant too.
Oh God, that is so damn creepy.
Anyway, acting was great,cinematography was adequate and
the music, the music in thismovie, the way that Jen put it,
I think, was the best way, andthat's that.
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The music just fit the family.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
The music in this movie reminded me of the music
in Breaking Bad how like theyjust picked the best music for
every, every portion of that ofthat show, and that's kind of
how it.
That's what it reminded me of.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Right, and it's funny because it's not the kind of
stuff that you'd expect.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Like as you're, as you're watching the movie,
you're like you know it doesn'tfit, but oh my God it fits.
Yeah, like it's one of thosesurprising things, but yeah,
better.
Uh, breaking Bad and BetterCall Saul were both a very
similar way where it was just,you know, music that was kind of
bizarre and obscure, just madethe movie.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It was perfect.
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It had been a while since I'd seen this, but it was.
It was kind of nice hearinglike Sufjan Stevens again like
in the background and all ofthat.
Yeah, just good, good stuff.
What.
How did you feel about themovie in general, like
technically?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I I suppose, yeah, there's.
I mean, there's nothing superremarkable about you know, the
cinematography, although I doreally love um the perspectives.
It felt like it was reallyunique for the time.
I feel like it's probably beenused a lot more since then.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But you know, when we're thinking 20 years ago, I
think that was part of what madethe film so cool was that it
was like it felt like adifferent style, like when, like
even just at the very beginning, when she's standing in front
of the television watching theMiss America pageant, like that
perspective that they have onher, standing there with her
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hand on her stomach and you knowshe's holding the, holding the,
the, you know the TV box, yep,and then just kind of you know,
standing there and then just theangle on it was just hilarious.
I don't know why it was funny.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I don't either.
Well, and that's I think Ithink the cinematography did add
to the.
It did add to the humor factorof it, you know, like I think,
to the hospital scene whenthey're, you know, inside and
outside and you know theswitching back and forth, and I
feel like that really added tothat scene and, like I said, I
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feel like they've used it a lotmore since then, that style that
they had, but I feel like itwas kind of new when the movie
came out yeah, as far asfilmmaking rules go, they still.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
They still followed all of them.
There's like a 180 rule where,like, if you draw a line between
two people's faces that arelooking at each other, you pick
a side of the line and when youswitch from one person to the
other, you have to stay on thatside of that line because
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otherwise, if you switch over tothe other side, then it starts
to take you out of the scene andit and it and it takes the
viewer like it.
It confuses the viewer's brain,because that's not natural.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So, but they still followed that even with that,
like coming in and out of the,the, the hospital and all of
that stuff through the window,like they still followed all of
those basic, basic basic rulesand and it and it, like they
still followed all of thosebasic, basic basic rules and it
wasn't chaos.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, well, and I feel like some of the way they
filmed this also helped lend tothe urgency of the mission,
right, yeah, and I think,iconically, the perspective of
them watching them all run toget into the, into the
Volkswagen bus repeatedly, likethey kind of filmed it the same
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each time, I feel like and so itwas like oh, here we go again,
you know, yeah, I mean it wouldhave taken away from it, but you
almost hear the Benny Hilltheme.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
you know it would have taken away from it, but you
almost hear the Benny Hilltheme.
You know the um, but yeah, soanyway, the with with the
characters section, uh, I'm I'mgoing to kind of do, uh, I'm
going to kind of do what, whatI've been favoring in the last
several episodes, and that'sjust kind of picking our
favorites.
I'll let you go first.
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What's what's one of yourfavorite characters?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Um, I think I would say I identified a ton with mom
that frenzied, trying to holdeverything together, um, doing
the best she can, kind of thingwas was awesome.
I loved that about her.
I also really loved the careand support that you saw for her
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kids both of them.
There was some tenderness thereand I loved that.
I also really loved the dad.
He was another favorite for mejust because because I identify
so much with how hard he tried.
You know what I mean.
Like yeah, so like I'm going tofart rainbows and sunshine even
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when there's no rainbows andsunshine anywhere.
You know what I mean.
Like I just identified so muchwith that, and so I think those
were two of my favorites,although I mean, I could sit
here and talk about my favoritething, about Olive and Dwayne
and Grandpa and you know Unclewho, frank, oh, that's right,
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uncle Frank.
I loved him, each of them.
Yeah, I loved all of them.
I think that's what made themovie is the characters and the
and the story and the characterbuilding in this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, and I mean I mean kind of jumping the gun a
little bit, but it's it's aninappropriate time to do it.
The very first talking pointthat I had was that the whole
family was kind of self-absorbed.
Everybody everybody in this,this movie, everybody in the
family was more concerned withwhat it was that they were
concerned with, whatever it wasthat was most important to them
(11:13):
see, I so disagree with that butwell, except that it's not.
I mean, dad wanted his, wantedhis success with his goofy nine
step program.
Grandpa wanted to just not nothave to worry about anything,
All it well.
Okay, Grandpa did he.
He was also with Olive on theon the pageant thing.
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Olive was completely consumedby the pageant thing.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, olive was saying so.
Yeah, to be fair, that's herjob, there's that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Dwayne was completely absorbed with his, you know,
being a test pilot.
You know just kind of it wasjust like everybody was just
concerned with their own shitand they didn't care about
anybody else's stuff.
But at the same time, that waswhat made it like so incredibly
interesting, because they allhad their own story.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, that's true, I can, I can, I can agree with
that.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah and and so because of that, I really had a
hard time with the my favoritecharacters in this.
Because of that, like I don'tknow, like I mean for Dwayne as
an example, like I can totallyrelate to that.
Like I was, I was that kid thatwould do that, that crazy goofy
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shit that made no sense becauseI was going to do it until I
got what I wanted.
You know well, I mean startingmy goddamn podcast 15 years ago.
I swore to god that I was goingto break out with a podcast
that had perfect sound, and itwas going to be.
It was going to sound like aradio show right from the get go
.
And here I am, 15 years later,after having the capability of
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making a, a, a professionalsounding podcast for 10 years or
more, you know, finally makinga podcast because it was going
to be goddamn perfect right fromthe beginning.
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So I.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I completely agree.
Like I can, I can relate toDwayne on that.
And grandpa, like I mean hejust, he just wants what's best
for for Olive in her, in herthing, you know.
But honestly I have to say thatof all of them and this one
kind of surprised me a littlebit when I really thought about
it.
I think of all of them, andthis one kind of surprised me a
little bit when I really thoughtabout it.
I think of all of them.
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The dad is my favorite.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah yeah, that kind of surprises me too.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, he just.
I mean there's just, there'ssomething about it, richard, is
he's?
You know what?
I'm not going to go into thatnow.
We'll get into that a littlebit later.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay, good Cause, I have some thoughts about that
too.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Good.
So, um well, I mean all of hisawesome.
I just have to say all of hisawesome.
Do you, do you recognize her atall?
Did you ever see like zombieland?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Is that the one where it has like?
It switches perspective, likefrom they stop and like look at
the camera and or, I can'tremember.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Zombieland is the one with, like Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yes, that is the one I'm thinking of.
Olive was Arizona.
I think her name was Arizona.
The girl in that, like the maingirl, was Olive.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Grown up.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
See, you know where I recognized Olive from.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Signs.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Signs yeah this one has amoebas yeah, she was also
an ender's game.
She was ender's older sisterand ender's game valentine
anyway.
But yeah, just adorable littlegirl that just did really really
goofy shit and and I don't knowthere were and more stuff that
I just have to that I have towait until till it comes up in
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conversation to really talkabout.
So we'll just go ahead and moveon.
Points of interest First oneyou've got down here is
exaggerated characters.
Real family yeah, tell me aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I think what I loved, I love so much, is that it was
like it was like you.
You take a normal family andput a magnifying glass on it and
it just like these bigger thanlife characters, but the
dynamics were so true to family.
You know what I mean.
And what I mean by that is likeone of the things that I've
kind of learned through my workis how families they kind of I
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don't know I kind of describe itlike a carousel right.
So when you've got a family,just like a carousel, like a
baby carousel over a crib, theyhave to find a balance right.
And so when you've got someonein the family who maybe
struggles with addiction orstruggles with some mental
health problems or somethinglike that, it can put some
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weight on one side of thecarousel and everyone else has
to kind of adjust to make itbalance right.
So that's where you have, youknow, you have one spouse who's
an addict and you have the otherspouse who's codependent and
you know, maybe consideredenabling, but that person is
really just trying to keep thebalance of the family together
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and things like that.
And so it was kind ofinteresting just seeing that
dynamic in this family and how,you know, like dad's, dad's got
these pie in the sky dreams andmom's a realist and trying to be
like, yeah, but we have to paythe, we have to pay the mortgage
, right, like right.
It was super fascinating towatch that um play out and even
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I'm surprised you picked the dadas your favorite character
because I identified you so muchwith Dwayne, with the son.
You know what I mean.
It just it made me think of youas a kid, it made me think of
you in high school.
And then of course, we've gotour little sister who wants to
be in the beauty pageant andthat totally it just it was kind
of fun to see our family inthat family.
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You know what I mean and howall of these different roles
played out.
And you know there were onlytwo kids, not three, but still
it just it felt like I couldidentify pieces of that family
with ours.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So yeah, and and a lot of really strange.
I don't want to get into it toomuch, but yeah, there's.
I didn't.
I guess I didn't really thinkabout it that way until until
you mentioned it yeah, um, Ithink the characters could the
characters have different names?
Yeah, but and some of the someof the characters are
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represented like multiplecharacters, are represented in
multiple people or in one person.
You know rather, but yeah yeah,I didn't.
I didn't really think aboutthat until you mentioned it
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Go watch it again now .
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, now I'm going to have to watch it again.
I mean, I've watched it twicein the last three days, so why
not?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Why not One more?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Pageant Queen training camp with grandpa.
Support for Holif, butseemingly not.
Not for his son.
It's there just harsh love.
The pep talk from grandpa oh, Iknow what you're talking about
yeah, yeah, well, and I thinkthat was.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I loved the unconditional support for olive
from grandpa.
Yeah, like there is, there isone person who was non-stop
there and absolutely believedshe could do it and that belief
helped her believe right yeah,no reservations.
(18:32):
Yes I mean here's mom balancing150 000 things and dad trying
to get this dream off the ground.
Grandpa was pretty harsh withwith dad, but a lot yeah.
But then when he had that thingI don't know like his book or
his program didn't sell orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Right, the Larry Sugarman, which is actually a
character in another moviecalled Fargo.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It was a nod to Fargo , larry Sugarman.
Yeah, I think, larry.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Sugarman.
Yeah, I think of Sugarman, Ithink of Jerry Maguire.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
One of the one of the Sugarman.
One of the other sports agentswas Sugarman Sugar.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, was it a player .
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Oh, it was a player, was it?
I think so.
Oh, you're thinking Cush incushman?
Oh, there's cush cush, that's agood movie too.
No, what was?
Uh?
Larry sugarman had tried to?
Was was going to promote hisstuff and try to get it into a
pro like as a program, andnobody bought it right.
And so, like he was, he wasreally upset because, well, it
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wasn't gonna go anywhere and hisdad kind of called it like
basically called his bluff, youknow, because he comes back to
the bus and he's all you know.
Well, it's fine, I'm stillgoing to try because I'm a
winner and you know all thisother stuff.
And his dad just comes up andyou know, hey, you went for it,
(19:59):
you failed, but you went for it.
You failed, but you went for itand I'm still proud of you well
, and the thing that stuck outto me is you did.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You did something most people won't even try, even
me yeah and it was just like I,you know, because the whole
time grandpa's pretty, prettyterse with everyone except for
Olive.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Terse or crass.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's just be honest, it's both except Olive.
And so you know, to have thatmoment where he, you know, he,
he was able to give his, his kid, exactly what he needed, in
that, in that moment, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And and something else that I think that is really
important to point out aboutthat scene very specifically is
dad's initial reaction to thatis All right, thanks dad, you
know, just kind of get out of myface, whatever, you know,
whatever old man kind of thing.
And then after, after his dad,you know, puts his hand on his
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shoulder and just sits there fora moment.
Thanks dad, he just you know.
Then, then that's's when, whenthe genuine part of him comes
out, which is really funny,because just not too much, you
know further before, like withthat whole thanks dad thing,
like how he was talking about,how sarcasm is the refuge of, of
(21:17):
a, of a loser yeah.
And then he throws thatsarcastic shit out at his dad
and his dad just stays rightthere.
You know, that was.
That was pretty good, and I Ithink that it's important to
point out that that there wasthat, that duality, just in in
five seconds.
So, yeah, anyway, moving on.
Family starts working togetherto accomplish a goal seconds.
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So, yeah, anyway, moving on.
Family starts working togetherto accomplish a goal, builds a
bond.
Obstacles they overcome, bringthem closer together.
Obstacles in this movie arejust, are just fucking
everywhere.
And not only are theyeverywhere, but they are bizarre
, yeah, yeah.
I mean, first off, who knewthat that proust scholars would
be worth a shit for anything toanybody, let alone deserving of
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a macarthur grant?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I don't even know what that is a macarthur grant.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Macarthur grants are for for genius basically
scholars.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I was like what?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
yeah, proust scholars , um, but it's like, yeah, I
don't know, but it's like alllike he goes to a gas station in
the middle of nowhere and comesacross this dude that you know,
that made him want to, thatmade him want him to complete
suicide, right, and so he's likehe's got that.
And then the other dude thatwins the MacArthur grant is with
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him.
No, so he's.
So he's got that in his face,balls in his face, right there
at the gas station, and it'sonly mildly funny that it's
balls in his face like thatwhile he's buying porn for
grandpa.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Right and a little treat for yourself and a little
treat for himself.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But all all of this stuff you know for just for
Frank and Frank is the guy whocomes in late in the game.
Like I mean he's, he's there inthe beginning of the movie but
he's not, he's not a part of thefamily immediately.
Like I mean he's stuck inDwayne's room with Dwayne
because he can't, he can't sleepalone.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That was probably my first favorite interaction in
the movie.
When those two Well, when itwas, when it was time for bed,
and this is why, when you saidthat the, the characters were
like self-absorbed, this was thefirst indication to me that I
didn't.
I didn't agree with.
That is when because duanedoesn't talk right, so he writes
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all of his stuff out and on thenotepad he said please don't
kill yourself tonight right andand the uncle, who isn't part of
the day in and day out of thefamily this is kind of his
introduction to being part ofthe family said I wouldn't do
that to you yeah, I'm not.
I'm not gonna do that, not onyour watch exactly like and, and
(23:58):
so you know it's duane startedthe whole movie with I hate
everyone and he's like well,what about your family?
everyone, he underlines everyoneand so it was like it was like.
This is it was almost like thepersona they wanted out there,
but it wasn't reality.
You know what I mean that itwasn't.
It's like, I don't know.
(24:18):
I guess maybe self-absorbedfeels intentional.
I don't feel like it was anintentional, like I don't give a
crap about anybody else.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
No, no, I don't.
I don't think that it was, Idon't think it was malicious.
I think it was just thateverybody was so, so concerned
with what they were doing andand what their goals were yeah
they couldn't.
They couldn't see how importantthings were to the other people
in their family.
Right, and the mom was pullingher hair out over it.
(24:49):
You know like she just wants tokeep the house together and you
know she wants to keep herbrother alive.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well and help Olive feel as good about herself as
she possibly can help duane gethis goal and support her husband
exactly like his dream, yeahyeah
Speaker 2 (25:09):
yeah, like I mean it as, as weird as it is, that that
sounds like self-absorption,like that.
That was what she was concernedwith.
She was concerned with keepingeverything together.
So, yeah, richard's stuff mighthave to take a back seat to
that.
Why?
Because they need to pay bills,you know, and in order to get
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Olive to go, she had to takeeverybody in the family on this
road trip, and in order toconvince Dwayne, she had to give
him a go ahead on on flightschool, you know, and and all
this other stuff.
So, like I said, I don't thinkit was, I don't think it was
malicious.
I think that everybody was justreally concerned with what,
what they had going on, thatthey couldn't, they couldn't
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really see other people's valuein whatever it was that they
were doing.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So yeah, that's, that's where I was coming from
with that, with the selfabsorption thing.
Maybe that's just.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Maybe that's just poor, poor choice of of words to
describe it but or it's just myown negative connotation,
because I'm a negative person bynature.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, shitting rainbows.
Yeah, well, and I?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
do.
I do think that what I lovedabout, what I loved about them
coming together and gettingthrough the obstacles, is that
it just it really did remind meof those times when my kids were
younger.
I remember being in high school, feeling like this is my whole
world, and my whole world ishigh school and there's not
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understanding that there is awhole life beyond high school.
And you know, there wereseveral times that we did have
to come together and just, youknow, hey, there is absolutely
nothing we can't do together.
There is never a time whereyou're alone.
There's never a time where youhave to try and figure it out on
your own.
If we're here together as afamily, we can get through it,
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and part of, I think, why thatwas such a standout thing for me
was because of that's.
The message I wanted to makesure my kids got was that we are
family and we will get throughthis together, no matter what it
is.
I don't care how bad it is, Idon't care how scared you are to
tell me, we can get through ittogether.
(27:26):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
That's, that's really uh.
Having having that cohesion ina family is really difficult to
maintain, yeah, Especially when,like especially with this
family like the two kids are intwo completely different places
in life Yep, there's eight yearsdifference between the two of
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them.
Damn, near a decade.
Olive is like in trainingwheels while the other one,
while Dwayne, is thinking aboutflying planes.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, and I got a sense and they didn't really
spell it out, but I got a sensethat Dwayne was his mom's from a
previous marriage, that he wasa stepson in this, in this
family.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh.
I guess I didn't really catchthat.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well, if you remember , when he got really upset and
finally talked for the firsttime, the first thing he said to
his family was divorced,bankrupt crazy or something.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I think what he was talking about was that they were
well maybe.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think he was, I think because he described each
one of them in some way, and soI think he was yelling at his
mom you're divorced, you're this, you're that?
I hate you all.
Right, like there was somethingwrong with every single one of
you.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And so I get a sense that there's.
There's a dynamic there that Ididn't.
I just picked up on that.
When I watched it yesterday Iwas like huh, I wonder if that's
part of because there isn't thetenderness from dad to duane
that there is to olive, and Ididn't know if that's because
she's younger, if that's becauseyou know, but I wonder if
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that's part of it well, and hedoesn't wow.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
He doesn't ever really parent duane either.
That's always mom.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes and she's kind of protective of him and defensive
of him.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, and even just you and your household?
He doesn't, he didn't do any ofthe parenting.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That was all you.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He'd step in if he needed to say, a couple of times
he stepped in, but no, it wasbut yeah, but that was your job,
because, oh wow, I guess Ididn't.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I didn't notice that either.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I think I think that that was and I don't know.
Like I said, they weren't superexplicit about it, but that was
kind of the impression that Igot after hearing him kind of
tell them what to do.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, yeah, some of the some of the scenes and stuff
that I kind of wanted to talkabout.
One of them was the diner scene, when they're sitting there
ordering breakfast.
First off, let's just talkabout.
Everybody can spend up to $4for fucking breakfast.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
And then they're getting waffles and eggs and
bacon and ice cream and shitlike that.
Waffles a la mode.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, a la mode-y.
But yeah, you can definitelytell that's from a different age
.
Yep, but aside from that, therewas a.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
There was a lot of telling information in that you
got to see it was like a, a rawbear version of the dynamic in
that family.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, you see the grandpa's support of the
daughter, granddaughter.
Yep Judgment contempt what'sthe word that I want to use for
dad?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Pressure.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Pressure.
He was trying to be tactful butwasn't his in fat shaming his
daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It wasn't fat shaming .
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'm going to I feel like I'm going to argue with you
on this point.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Well, cause I do.
I mean, I think that that issuch a universal parent concern,
right?
Like, how do I teach my kidshow to have a balanced diet and
be healthy and do all the rightthings without?
I mean, that's what I watchedon that screen was, how do you
have that conversation becauseyou care about your kid and you
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want them to be healthy?
And I mean he brought the whole, did you?
Do you see any of the beautypageant Queens that are fat,
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think he brought that in because he was trying to
get her to care about it too.
He was trying to you know whatI mean.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
But it was like for me it was watching the internal
struggle about whatever thesubject was, not just fat
shaming, but even, like you know, how do you talk to your kids
about?
About sex and express yourdesire for them to not engage in
that activity when they're tooyoung and still not make it a
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stigma and not make them youknow what I mean, like help them
have healthy, healthyexpectations or healthy
understanding about it, without,without shaming them about
things like that.
It's a hard balance for parentsand it was cool that it was
like dad and mom displayed thatdichotomy, that internal
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conflict as a parent.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Right.
Well, and I think the reasonwhy it feels so icky for me
because when she does get heralimody and she just sits and
stares at it and does anybodywant my ice cream?
Like that heartbreak in it isjust like it makes you want to
(32:56):
turn to kaneer and be like you,fucking asshole, like just just
one of those.
The reason why it pisses youoff so much is because as soon
as Grandpa and Frank and Dwaynedo the right thing, yeah, we'll
have some ice cream.
I don't know why anybodywouldn't want some of their ice
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cream this early in the morning.
For breakfast For breakfast, youknow, and, and all of that, you
know, they and they finally gether to.
Oh, I'm gonna have some of myfucking ice cream yeah, don't
eat at all the, the thing.
The thing that gets me is andswear to god, this little girl
is going to be one of thegreatest actresses ever if she
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can hold this kind of, this kindof ability as she gets older,
that sheer look of absolute joythat she has in enjoying that
ice cream yeah it's not justthat like she's scarfing it down
, like kids do, because you, yousee it, kids eat ice cream and
they're just like shoveling thatstuff in and they're just
(34:00):
they're.
They're getting it on thetongue and then passing it down
to the stomach like that's allit is.
But this little girl enjoyedthe ice cream and she, she just
sat in the moment of of oftaking it in and enjoying it and
it was okay.
Taking that away from that kid,greg Kinnear, you're a fucking
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asshole, like it.
Just it just comes right back,it's, it's a, and I think that's
why it felt so icky to me wasbecause, like it felt like he
was taking joy away from hisdaughter.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well, and the sad thing is is that you know as as
much as I have empathy for that,because I get that.
I get that space.
I understand I understand thatconflict.
Also love that mom had thatopposite effect where it was,
you know.
That's where are we placing ourvalue Right, like our value in
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our daughter is in the way shelooks.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Um, but I also know that there is.
There is a huge deal of concernand and hardship for for
parents who want, you know, whosee their kids have a dream,
that fear that they won't beable to to reach it.
Or, you know, I, I, I, I reallydid I was able to empathize
with him in that space.
Was it?
(35:23):
Yes, was it a jerk move?
Yeah, I'll give you that, but Ialso, yeah, just really could
empathize with that.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
He's a fucking asshole.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Okay, fine, I'm just.
I'm just saying Well, and thatkind of I mean that kind of
leads into another point ofinterest that I had.
Like you know, dad was puttingso much pressure on himself and
his whole family, then right,yeah the pressure that he had on
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himself that became thepressure the family put on
themselves.
Also becomes the grit to getthrough the whole thing right I
mean, and not just to get totheir destination, but also to
leave.
In what many people there wouldconsider a flame of failure,
they left triumphant.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's because they it's like that pressure got them
there.
That was able to be the vehicleto get them to the end.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
With his whole nine step thing.
He was really applying that tohimself and to his family and he
was trying so hard for it to bereal.
Like, I mean, it's well, familysupport, when you, or as a
family, peer support worker,when you would peer support your
family, they really didn'tappreciate it, right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Really.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Like when you try to peer support your kids, they'd
be like fucking enough, mom,like you know it, you know that
that's what.
Yes, they do the same thing tome when I peer, when I family
support them, right, you knowwhen I'm like you know, hey, you
know.
If you'd like I can help you outwith a budget or whatever
they're like yeah, they're likeyou know, screw you and they're
(37:22):
somewhere and so like, yeah,anytime that you have that stuff
, that and and really I meansome of these jobs and things
like that can really be a lotlike his, his nine step program,
where it's something that youreally believe in and you really
want it to be, you know,something successful and
something that works, and so youpractice it all the time.
Him trying to practice it withhis family, annoyed the shit out
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of his family, no one more thanhis dad.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
You know what, though , as we're talking about that,
the cool thing is is that yougot to see, at the end, you got
to see the aha of thedevelopment of probably step 10.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Because it was like that moment where he realized
the outward showing of successisn't what makes you a winner.
It's the process that you gothrough to get there Right.
It's the lessons you learnalong the way.
It's the hard work you put init's finishing the race.
Those all make you a winner,like it's not.
(38:30):
Hey, I've got a million dollarsin the bank and I'm on a talk
show circuit, or something likethat.
You and that was.
I think that was.
The coolest part is when, whenyou saw him, his whole mindset
shifted and it was like you knowwhat, screw it, this is what
we're gonna teach my kid today,when his attachment to image was
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was finally let go.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
That you know what a what a thing looks like does not
denote its value Cause.
That I mean.
To be completely honest, that'swhat I hated about this guy
through most of the movie was.
It just felt like he was justso focused on the image and it's
like, dude, just let it go.
(39:18):
Then yeah, and then you'reright, like when, when he's at a
pageant and they're telling himto take his daughter off the
stage and he's, and he's given amoment to think about, I mean,
even even just before that,before Olive went out, he and
the whole family like, well,okay, not the whole family, it
(39:39):
was him and Frank and Dwayne,they were all.
Mom, you cannot let her go outthere Like they're going to tear
her to shreds.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well, and I love that because it was so protective,
like it wasn't, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
It wasn't like we don't have confidence in our
family member.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
And it wasn't embarrassment, it was protection
.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
We don't want her to get hurt.
You know, and was at the sametime God, what a mom Like.
No, you guys, shut up and lether live her dream.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Like, and it had nothing to do with the fact that
they just drove 700 miles.
It had nothing to do with thefact that they had to run every
time they wanted to start theirvan up.
It had nothing to do with thefact that the grandpa was dead.
It had nothing to do with anyof that.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
All of it was about Olive's dream.
Well, and and I think one ofthe things that I loved about
that scene too, it was like thiswhole time, the whole movie,
you look at this family andyou're like holy crap, they're
so weird.
Yeah, Like you have a sensethat they are the weirdest
people on the planet.
And then you put them and youpluck them out of what you've
been watching them in, and youpluck them into a beauty pageant
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and suddenly they're normal.
Right, that was like a weirdersituation right, like the really
weird people were now aroundthem and they were the cool,
normal people and I loved thatshift in perspective as a viewer
of that.
It was amazing, it wasabsolutely amazing and I also I
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think it speaks a lot how thefamily circled around the dream
of one of their people and itwas like I saw that missing with
dad's dream and it was therefor all of stream and and I
almost think, cause this issomething I do all the time I
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think about what happens next inthe movie.
Why?
Cause there's no, there's nosequel.
So what?
What was next?
And I wonder, after dad wasable to shift his perspective a
bit, if they were able to buyinto his dream too and buy into
Dwayne's dream and you know whatI mean like how good that is
for family and and the synergyfor a family and the connections
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in a family to rally around adream of one of them and support
them in that.
So yeah.
I jumped around a little bit onmy list here.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, I was.
I was going oh shit, where'sthe the being with?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, that was, um.
That was one of the things thatI loved the most is.
It's almost like they were ableto rally around all of, because
all of was so supportive of allof them.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, like she, just she.
She showed care for everysingle one of them throughout
the entire movie.
You know, when uncle Frank cameand he had the bandages on his
wrist, well, what happened?
You know?
And, and and I think a lot oftimes as parents we think that
our kids are just being invasiveand asking a bunch of senseless
, annoying questions.
I think she was seeking tounderstand and then, like, even
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in the van, she's like yeah, Ithink you're going to go to
heaven, you know what I mean.
So she showed all of this careand concern throughout the movie
and the time that it made thebiggest impact was was with
Dwayne.
You know, when he found out hewas colorblind and probably
wouldn't be able to fly jetplanes, and he freaked out and
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broke his silence and none ofthe rest of them knew what to do
.
And so dad suggests Olive goesand goes and talks to him, and
all she did was walk down to himand put her arm around him and
and put her head on his shoulder, and in that moment, being with
him was enough of a connectionfor him to understand.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Like, did you notice in that scene when they stood up
, she went and gave him the hugand then they stood up and
started walking up the hill.
Did you see the sign in thefield behind him.
Said United, we stand.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Aww, yeah, yeah, I love that.
It's a little Easter egg, see.
I'm shocked that the peoplethat did Breaking Bad didn't do
the same thing, because I don'tknow if you noticed hank and
walt.
Hank and walt were both in thismovie.
Hank was hank was dirty hankwas, hank was, hank was dirty
(44:13):
and breaking bad.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
I mean, come on uh well, he was obnoxious.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I don't know about dirty, he was just obnoxious
yeah, he told dirty jokes withthe niece and nephew around.
Come on now.
Oh maybe I mean it changedlater in the show.
But yeah, I was just like howis this not the same people?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Like that made this movie.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah.
Well and Albuquerque.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
That's what I'm saying From.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Albuquerque.
Yeah, no, it's pretty funny.
I I actually thought aboutthose, what the you know, the
first time we watched it again Iwas like, I was like huh
albuquerque, hank and walt, bothin the movie.
I wonder if this had anythingto do with freaking bad people,
but I haven't found anything, sowell and yeah, yeah, it's good
(45:02):
stuff.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, I loved the part where frank and duane now
that duane has broken silence,frank and duane are talking,
they're having lots ofconversation about things, and I
loved the part where they wereboth like they had left the
beauty pageant because theycouldn't take it anymore.
Right, and he was like life isjust one big beauty pageant
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after another, after another,after another, and for them I
think that was such a greatconnection between the two of
them because with Frank and hismega genius brain, he's the
foremost scholar of his fieldand stuff.
And then you know, d know duane, who physical defect him not
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being able to see color meantthat he may not be able to fly
jet planes, and you know, it wasjust like.
It was reflective for me ofsociety's pressure.
Dad had been putting it on themthe whole time.
Um, that image thing and ofcourse that is that runs deep
with beauty pageants.
Anyway, you know what I mean.
(46:08):
It just is like yep, why do weput our value in that?
And you know, just a good.
I think that was just a goodreminder.
Maybe that might be mymedicinal element Oops, I
might've jumped the gun, that'sokay, you know what, tell me
(46:30):
tell me about your activeingredient.
I think that was it.
I think it was.
You know, I loved how beautifulOlive's confidence was.
I loved how she, of herself, inand of herself, would not have
been not if even batted aneyelash at going out there with
her stick, straight hair and aponytail and really terrible
bathing suit and doing the dancethat she had worked so hard on,
(46:53):
if it hadn't been for outsideforces, if it hadn't been for
outside people telling her thatshe wasn't good enough.
It reminded me how important itis to not only give that message
to our kids that they are goodenough, that they are you know,
they are capable of doingamazing things but also, like
the most important voice in thatfor all of us is ourselves.
(47:17):
You know, I have to believe inmyself that I can do it, because
no one else is going to givethat to me.
Everyone else is going to tellme all the reasons I can't do it
, and I need to remember thereasons that I can.
You know what I mean, and sothat, um, that was yeah, that
was kind of the.
The takeaway for me is just toremember not only that I can be,
(47:40):
that for someone I can be thatvoice of of affirmation for
another person, but that Ireally need to remember to
affirm myself and to remindmyself all of the reasons that I
am, that I am good enough and Idon't have to, I don't have to
accept another person's standardfor myself.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I love this movie.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
It's a good movie.
Now, for me, it has a lot to dowith why, why Richard is my, is
my favorite character in all ofit.
Something, something that'sbeen really important to me in
the years since this movie cameout, is recognizing that that
people can change.
Super, super important to me,and it's and it's because of
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it's because of Richard.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
Throughout the entire movie, I hated him.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Like fucking asshole.
I mean just dude.
Like leave off man, like stepoff your family and quit being a
dick Um, a judgmental prick allthe time.
And so all it took was a littlebit of experience and love for
his family and then finally,finally, he found what he needed
(48:56):
to change.
I think the reason why that'sso important is because look at
all the people that we observein society, in your day to day,
like listen to some of yourconversations that you have with
people, and one that's supercommon is meth head.
Oh, that's the meth head.
(49:17):
Well, they're, they're a person.
Yes, they might be strugglingwith struggling with addiction
right now, but that's not whothey are.
Those people can change.
If you don't believe that thosepeople can change, then you
can't change either.
But everybody has the abilityto look back, like anybody
(49:39):
that's 20 years older orwhatever.
You can look back and go.
How much, how much am I similarto the person that I was 10
years ago?
So much change that happensthroughout every year of your
life that you, that you are notthe same person ever in any in
any like, given a length of time.
And to think that somebodycan't change who they are is
(50:03):
just wrong, and I think that Iwas really guilty of thinking
that some people just can'tchange, some people are always
going to be what they are orwhatever, and I think a lot of
that has to do with the factthat, I mean, the reason why it
was so important to me wasbecause, around this time, this
movie had given me, had given methe basically the gumption to
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know that I could too.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, yeah, I, uh, I love, I love my work because of
that, Because I'm not.
I'm not an agent of change, butI am a witness of change.
I get to see it every day andit's the coolest thing.
And the truth of the matter isthat when people I can't say
can't change, but when peopledon't change, it makes me wonder
(50:53):
if there's enough people aroundthem who believe that they can
change and then give them thatconfidence to do that.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know what I mean it's amazing what one person's
investment can do yeah toanother person.
Just one person can really makea difference for somebody.
It's a very extreme example but, like with with addicts, a lot
of what keeps addicts fromseeking recovery is they don't
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think anybody believes in them.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
You show them, dude, you have value.
I believe you can do this.
Invest in that person.
One person can make a hugedifference for that person.
Like I said, that's just anextreme example.
I mean, there's so manydifferent things that that can
be for for so many differentpeople and I don't know that's.
That's why, ultimately, mrKinnear, as much as I've told
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you, you know, fuck you.
In this episode you're prettyawesome Cause you represent.
You represent that change thatanybody can have as long as they
want it and as long as they'reopen to it.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, and imagine how much more believable his nine
or 10 steps will be after yeah.
Now that he's lived it, youknow what I mean.
Now that he it's, I stillreally want to know what those,
what those nine steps?
Speaker 2 (52:22):
are Like I.
I still really want to knowwhat those nine steps are.
It would be interesting to findout.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Yeah, I want to know.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I wonder if there's like a fan-made thing about that
.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
That would be great.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
We'd have to look into that just to see if there
is a Richard Hoover.
Which, by the way, can we justtalk about?
How funny that little thing is,richard Hoover.
Okay, come on now.
Apparently that is a part ofthe whole, the whole yeah, I can
imagine so this is such a great.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
What I loved about this movie is that it was funny
enough to um to entertain, andyet I I would call it a
feel-good movie.
You know what I mean like yeahit was entertaining.
Of course, anytime thesecharacters, like these actors,
coming together is like how doyou not have a great movie right
?
Speaker 2 (53:09):
well, and this was.
This was right before stevecarell took off yeah, well,
wasn't this?
Speaker 1 (53:16):
now I can't remember.
Was this just before of analmighty, or was it just after?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I can't remember this was just before leave.
It was just before 40 year old,virgin that came after.
I didn't that come after thatwas his big breakout, yeah yeah,
because that was.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
I mean, I just I adore him and everything he
plays.
I adore him.
He's funny.
Yeah, he just makes me smile.
He's got good comedic timing orsomething, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Or eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It's the eyebrows.
Yeah, could be Right.
Well, thank you for uh.
Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Uh, go ahead and plug your stuff.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Well, as Ben mentioned at the top of the
episode has been mentioned atthe top of the episode, I am one
half of Roundtable Mindset.
My friend Malin and I have apodcast where we're really
focusing on difficultconversations this season,
talking about things that arehard to talk about with people
that it might be hard to talkabout with.
(54:19):
So we release the second andfourth Thursday of every month
and we'd love to have you comeand come and join us and listen.
You can find us on every majorplatform.
We've got social medias onTikTok, Instagram the app
formerly known as Twitter,because I will not call it X and
(54:40):
Facebook, as well as thePatreon.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
So rock on.
Come check us out and ditto,except for the x thing.
I don't, I don't twitter oh,threads.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
We do threads too.
Threads is like instagram'sversion of twitter oh is it.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
It's not bad yeah oh well, yeah, I don't do threads
either any way to interact,everything else, yeah, yeah I've
got, I've got the.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
I've got the instagram the great tiktok and
hannah calls it the insta insta.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah it's.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I call it the insta because everything has a d in
front of it the facebook, thetiktoks, the wal.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Like but the the long E sound.
That would be proper, with itStarting with a uh, with with a
vowel the Insta, yeah, not theInsta, cause it just doesn't fly
as well with English.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, I also, you know, hang out a lot with the
Doyle, so I don't know, I makeeverything proper, I guess.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
That's funny, all right.
So, yeah, thanks again forcoming on for this show.
We'll definitely bring you backfor another one.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
Anytime.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Now, if you have a movie that's been medicine for
you and you'd like to be on theshow, you can email me at
contact at movie-rxcom.
You can also leave a voicemailor text me at 402-519-5790.
If you got a little bit ofanxiety that's keeping you from
being on, you can always writeme a couple of paragraphs about
a movie, send them in on a textor a email.
(56:18):
You know I can always read themon air.
Remember, this movie is notintended to treat, cure or
prevent any disease and we'llsee you at the next appointment.
Thank you.
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