September 6, 2024 • 43 mins
Why is Spider-Man so good at being a hero? Dr. Benjamin and Movie RX Producer Jen swing into the deeper parts of Peter Parker's path to being a SUPERhero in this week's episode of Movie RX. Are Peter Parker and Flash Thompson really just two sides of one coin? Was Dr. Connors crazy from the start? Who's the most New York of these New Yorkers? Download! Listen! Find Out!
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello and welcome to MovieRx, where I prescribe
entertainment, one movie at atime.
I am your host, dr Benjamin,the doctor, in the same way as
Dr Connors is a doctor, a littlescaly and prickly at times, but
deep down, I love science.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's fair, especially the prickly sometimes
.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thank you.
You're welcome the pricklysometimes.
Thank you, you're welcome.
Uh, as you can hear, today Iinvited on uh the movie rx
producer jen to.
We're gonna be talking aboutmostly, mostly one aspect of of
the film, but, uh, we're gonnalook at a side of the amazing
spider-man.
I'm pretty excited about thisone this is my surprise face.
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I don't know if anybody knowsit or not, but Spider-Man's my
favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Especially this Spider-Man.
He's up there.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Of the live action ones.
Yes, yes, yeah.
Starting with the basic movieinfo, this is a Columbia
Pictures production released in2012,.
Uh, directed by Mark Webb Webb.
Uh but, uh, so, uh, somethingthat you'll notice about Mark
(01:36):
Webb is that, uh, it's, it's nota real popular name that's
brought up as far as you know,somebody directing a movie or
anything like that.
That's because he hasn't reallydone a whole lot.
He's done mostly well, he'sdone a lot.
He's done a lot of music videosfor, like, my Chemical Romance
and some other popular artists,but he did direct an Office
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episode Manager and Salesman.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think I know which one that is episode manager and
salesman.
I think I know which one thatis.
Yeah, it's in season six, Ithink.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'massuming that's the one where
michael and jim fight over who'sgoing to be the manager and
it's going to be the salesmanyes, I believe so, other than
that there haven't been a ton ofmovie credits under this guy's
belt.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
But it's kind of hard to believe when you look at
some of the stuff that, uh, someof the other stuff with this
movie, it's, it's prettyincredible.
Stars Andrew Garfield, EmmaStone and Reese Evans, Uh, but I
mean, that's.
That's about as close as I'mgoing to get it.
His name in Welsh is I, I.
(02:41):
I really couldn't even begin tosay it, but I do know that one
F comes off as a V in Welsh.
If it were two Fs, then itwould sound more like an FV,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Anyway, I'll just believe you.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So the IMDB description on this one.
After Peter Parker is bitten bya genetically altered spider,
he gains newfound spider-likepowers and ventures out to save
the city from the machinationsof a mysterious reptilian foe.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay, I feel like that's fairly accurate.
So I guess this is a suck it,Jamie.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Maybe the only thing that sucks is that I don't
really feel like that.
There's a whole lot of mysterysurrounding the the lizard well,
at first, of course, becausethey have to figure out who it
is, but then they also have tofigure out how to stop him right
so maybe that's some of themystery that they're but we know
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like there's nothing mysteriousabout it to the, to the
audience but to the charactersmaybe, I don't know, we'll see
so initial impressionimpressions on this movie in the
more technical facets I suppose.
I I mean really I loved thismovie when it came out.
(04:05):
I went to see it in the movietheater.
Uh, really spoke to me as aSpider-Man comic fan because it
at the time it felt like themost uh accurate comic type
representation on the screen.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's where we disagree a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, no, not, not characters and stuff, just the
feel like the feel of a comicbook and you know the way that
the story arcs work with incomic books.
I suppose, Cinematography wasexcellent, largely leaning on
lighting.
Lighting is what made thecinematography in this movie,
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and again that kind of comesback to Mark Webb I don't know
how the man is is soknowledgeable in lighting.
Uh, I mean, I might have tolook at some of the, my chemical
romance stuff to see you knowhow the, how the music videos
work and stuff like that.
But the lighting is really whatdoes it?
Music, uh, the music music.
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James Horner did a great jobwith this movie and I really
loved that.
Spider-man finally had afanfare.
Every other superhero in all ofhistory has had a fanfare of
some kind and Spider-Man justalways had that goofy ass song.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
See and I didn't even think about that until you
pointed it out that this is theonly one where he has his own
fanfare.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, you know when those horns come in, you know,
and just I mean it's just great,great stuff.
But of course that's JamesHorner, that's just what he does
, acting everything from DennisLeary's Captain Stacy down to
Max Charles, the little boyplaying Peter in the beginning
of the movie.
Great, they all did great.
(05:50):
This one was the movie thatmade me aware of Andrew Garfield
.
Honestly, I'm kind of bummedthat we don't see more of him,
because he does a pretty goodjob.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm telling you he is way too cool to be Spider-Man.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
No, he's not too cool to be spider-man.
No, he's not too cool to bespider-man if you say so is.
That is that the the gist ofyour, of your general feelings
on the movie I, I, I love thesemovies.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I do wish that there were more of them, but I think
that, yeah, I just think he'stoo cool to be spider-man like
maybe spider-man down the downthe road a little while, where
he's more like confident inhimself, but starting out I
think he's way too cool.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And normally this is about when I'd go into the
characters, but we've kind ofalready started talking about
one of them.
I have something about that.
In the first point of interest,he's a new Spider-Man.
If there's one thing thatreally made everything very,
very, very clear, it was in noWay Home.
(06:57):
The newest one, with TomHolland.
It shows that these are allvery, very separate Spider-Men.
Their universes are all verydifferent.
Tom Holland didn't even have anUncle Ben, so they're going to
be different from each other ina lot of different ways.
But the reason I liked this onewas because it kind of showed a
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more modern nerd.
Because it kind of showed amore modern nerd Nerds the way
that they are, that they were inyou know 2012, 20, you know
2002.
They were very different fromthe 1962 nerds.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I think it is becoming more acceptable to be a
nerd, or maybe that's just thepeople that we surround
ourselves with because we'regiant nerds.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, and it's not even that, it's just that the
culture of nerddom has haschanged quite a bit.
I remember feeling kind of outof place because I felt like a
more like a more traditionalnerd, but like the kids that
would skateboard in the hallwaysand, and you know, take off
running down hallways eventhough they were, you know,
being screamed at by teachers tostop, and you know lots of them
(08:05):
smoked weed and and you knowstuff like that.
So it was like all of these,all of these various different
things that just kind of youknow that I noticed as being
more of a nerd thing when I wasin high school.
Uh it, it just felt closer tothat than the original
Spider-Man type back in 1962.
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So it just I liked how theykind of modernized the way that
a nerd would be today, becausehe was still pretty socially
inept, you know he.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Mostly just with girls.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, yeah, pretty much Well, and he didn't talk a
whole lot with boys About.
The only time he talked withboys was Flash, and that wasn't
ever any fun, I don't know.
He just felt a lot more modernto me and I really appreciated
that.
But despite the differencesbetween the kind of nerd that
Spider-Man was in 62 versus thenewer version, he embodies a
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theme in this movie thatspider-man fans I think could
all really appreciate and reallylove, and that's that he's a
hero, with or without the bite.
I mean that goes, that goesright into, you know, the next
talking point, the underdog hero.
They gave us a scenespecifically to show us just
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what kind of human being PeterParker was.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, he wasn't Spider-Man, he was just a kid.
He walks out into the you knowsome kind of courtyard or
something like that, where Flashis.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Bean Flash.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's got a kid inclined face first into a plate
of food, uh, dunking his faceinto the, into the kid's lunch,
and flashes, uh, he's.
He's yelling at Peter to take apicture.
Well, he won't take the pictureand keeps telling him to put
him down and flash refuses to doso.
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And then that's, when he puthim down, eugene and everybody's
just like, oh shit, you know.
And then, of course, flashthrows the underclassman that
he's dunking into his lunch,throws him off to the side.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And Peter, like automatically, like first thing,
tries to go and see if thatother kid was okay.
He wasn't worried about himselfor his well-being, he was
worried about the kids.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right, despite the fact that he I mean, there was
no way that he didn't see Flashcoming for him.
So, even though the initialresponse for just about anybody
is self-preservation, this giantmotherfucker is coming after me
.
This giant motherfucker iscoming after me, so I need to.
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I need to put an arm up orsomething to guard myself, even
if I am going towards it.
And he didn't nothing at all.
He just went straight to gocheck on, check on that kid and
caught a hell of a right handfrom flash, knocked him on the
ground, got kicked a coupletimes, but then then we we get a
showing of why gwen has hervery own spider spin-off.
She comes in as the hero forpeter parker standing up to
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flash telling him you know,divert his attention elsewhere
and he needs to pay a little bitmore attention to school.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So okay, in the first Spider-Man trilogy could you
imagine her bringing that hometo captain Stacy?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Probably wouldn't go over well.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Guys like that, they they can definitely turn on the
charm, even though they're youknow but faces.
Yeah, we'll call him that yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
No, I think I'm pretty sure that there wasn't
any sort of romantic involvementin this universe between those
two.
But he finds a hero in Gwen forhim.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
What's your name?
You don't know my name.
Oh, I know your name.
I'm trying to see if you knowyour name that's great and then
she kind of after he says peterbut doesn't say his last name,
she kind of like keep going,keep going.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
it was just really good, um, and a really good way
to introduce the two togetherand and just kind of show a
little bit of chemistry betweenthe characters in a very subtle
way, I guess.
But after all that, there's alittle bit of stuff before Peter
goes home and that is enterUncle Ben and Aunt May.
Now we're not really going totalk a whole lot about Aunt May,
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because Aunt May I kind of feellike in this movie she's very,
very background.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Until the end.
Yeah, she's more background.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, and that's okay.
I mean it really is okay thatAunt May isn't the star or
anything like that, because andyou're not just saying that
because you don't really carefor the actress.
You know, it's not even reallythat she will have her time to
shine, and that's in the sequel.
She is fantastic in the sequel,yes, and honestly, it's not
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even that I hate Sally Field.
I just I couldn't look at thewoman without getting pissed
because of because of MrsDoubtfire.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I love that movie.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, man, sally Field made me hate Sally Field
because of Mrs Doubtfire.
Without talking too much aboutit, the sequel totally, totally
revived her with me.
She did so good in AmazingSpider-Man 2.
Fantastic job.
So that's really where she'sgoing to shine is someday when I
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do that episode.
So since she's reallybackground, then that means that
the focus really is more onUncle Ben.
As far as I'm concerned, martinSheen is the best Uncle Ben
since the original.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I don't know.
I can think of an Uncle Benthat I like more yeah, but I'm
not.
Your uncle Ben that I like moreyeah, but I'm not your uncle
Ben.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And uncle Ben.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But seriously there's so many parts about him that
are really great.
You would put down that youknow May and and Ben had treated
Peter like they, like he wastheir own and everything uh
which that already kind of takesa special kind of person or
whatever but he was supportive.
He was hard when he needed tobe, but he was also humble.
(14:49):
Martin Sheen's version of UncleBen seems very much likely to
be a very big part of the reasonwhy Peter is such a hero before
he becomes a superhero.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, yeah, like with how, with how upset he got with
Peter when he found out that hehumiliated flash.
He just, yeah, the kid did youwrong, but you do you really
want to treat someone like that?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So he did something bad to you and you wanted to get
him back.
Revenge isn't a good reason todo that.
It has to come from little bitsof insight like that, and
that's why Peter Parker is theway that he is.
It doesn't strike me as normalthat he would have gotten into
fights or anything like that orhumiliated somebody, but I'm
guessing that when he wasyounger, that was probably
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something that he had gottensome lessons from uncle Ben
about.
Yeah, I don't know.
I really.
I really like Martin Sheen'suncle Ben.
He does a great job.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And like when Peter, when Peter tells him that he's a
good dad, like the the joy andthe the pride that he took in
just hearing Peter say that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's a really good feeling for somebody to know
that they're appreciated forsomething that they've put so
much time into, that they've putso much effort and so much love
.
You know, when they put thatmuch into a person and try to
create something good to go outinto the world, that takes a lot
of hard work.
And so, yeah, yeah, with withPeter telling, telling uncle Ben
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, you know you're a good dad,that was the reward that he was,
that he was able to reap.
Uh, something else that you'dkind of had something in here
about was, um, it kind of showsa little bit of kind of a darker
side of aunt May and uncle Bennot even really darker as much,
as it is just not really allthat wholesome how they buried
all traces of Peter's parents.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't know that it was, I don't know.
I guess to me it was.
I can kind of see them beingthe type of people that they
don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So they're going to go out of their way to not have
to say anything, right?
That's why I kind of had a hardtime describing on like not
totally wholesome, because it'sit's not like they didn't do it
to deceive Peter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Right, it didn't have a malicious intent.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, they.
They did it because they weretrying to save his feelings and
they're both old.
In a more modern age we mightbe a little bit more enlightened
to think, you know.
Well, maybe it's not better tohold that stuff back and you
know, and just kind of face itand make it part of reality.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
But how do you tell a kid growing up hey, your dad
was doing some sketchy shit Gothim in your mom, you know,
disappeared.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right, it is a hard subject but, like you said,
hiding it is just going to makeit worse in the long run.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, because then he also felt like he couldn't
really talk about it, becauselike in some way maybe he was
saying that May and Uncle Benweren't good enough.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't even think it's that.
I think that you remember whenhe went, when he found that bag,
that I think that you rememberwhen he went.
When he found that bag itlooked like he was.
He was crawling into the groundunderneath the house, you know.
I mean it's like it was.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It was pretty deep.
There were a lot of things thatwere knocked over and it took a
flood in the basement for himto find it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right With it being stuffed that far away.
It feels really intentional asa young man.
Think about a high school agedboy who lives with his aunt and
uncle because his parents aregone.
If they took all of the stufffrom their parents and stuffed
it away to where it'll never befound, are they trying to keep
it out of sight?
Are they trying to keep it thatthey don't want to talk about
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it?
And if that's the case, thenyou know he would feel less
inclined to ask about it becausewell, obviously they don't want
to go near it part of thatcould also be because of them.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Um, like uncle ben was supposed to keep it safe,
right, so maybe it was extremelyhidden for that as well, but it
definitely had something to dowith, I think, them not knowing
what to say, because Peter nevertalks about his parents.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Right, but you see how that might give the message
to Peter.
We don't talk about this.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Oh yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I think that's probably a bigger reason that I
think that things kind of cometo the head that they do later
on.
I don't know, but either way, Imean Aunt May, uncle Ben,
definitely a really good versionof both of them.
Whether they're hiding awayparts of Peter's parents and all
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of that stuff or not, doesn'tmatter.
Cooking bad meatloafs 37 yearsof bad meatloaf.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And old bowling trophies on the table.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
The next point of interest I had was Dr Connors.
It kind of has to be talkedabout that there's this tired
trope that was very, verypopular at the time that this
movie came out.
The villainous greater goodtrope trying to build a world
without weakness and the nextstage of human evolution thing.
You know that it was.
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It was really, really overdone,especially in the 2010s.
I mean, it's forgivable in thismovie because it did come out
in the middle of that craze orwhatever, but still it just Okay
.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So which is worse Turning everybody into giant
lizards, or snapping and gettingrid of half of the population?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
There's so many plot holes in that.
There are so so many plot holesin the snap I was just thinking
the greater good thing, youknow?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I think you'd rather be a giant lizard.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Maybe Because it would affect less of the galaxy.
I suppose, and you know, I guessthen there would be more food,
I don't know.
Whatever, I don't get it, but Iguess I can forgive that.
You know, good guy with or abad guy with the, with the
greater good in mind, thingbeing is that it was just really
popular at the time.
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But one thing I will say aboutDr Connors was it or was it not?
When you're watching him talkto the interns, can you see that
shadow of crazy, as he'stalking about the?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I think he has very, very good people skills.
The whole you know madscientist thing with what he was
talking to them about, yes, youcould see the glimpse of you
know kind of crazy, but himhimself I didn't see the like
Uber crazy until, um, you kindof see his obsession Like once
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Peter gives him that formula youkind of start to see that shift
where he gets extremely focusedand a little crazier, and a
little crazier because he getscloser and closer to his goal
and he can see that light at theend of the tunnel.
And I think once he saw thatlight at the end of the tunnel,
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that's when it really startedgoing when it had the.
You know they were runningthose tests on the computer with
the mice.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh, the, the simulator.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes, once that simulator was talking about how
it was successful.
I think that's when it you know.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right, yeah, Well, except I don't know, I still
feel like.
I still feel like, as I watchedhim talk to those interns when
what are some ways that we cando that?
And one kid raises his hand andsays stem cells, and he says
promising, but I'm thinkingsomething a little more radical.
Yeah, the whole speech that hegives them talking about you
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know, all of that stuff.
I just I felt like there was,there was an intentional twinge
of crazy built into that.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Maybe we're just watching too much Big Bang
because you see Sheldon Cooperand he's crazy.
I didn't see that much crazy inhim.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
See, I don't know, I guess maybe it's just me wanting
to, wanting to put thatcraziness is just something that
was a part of him, that theserum brought out more, you know
, with the, with the change, orsomething.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Right, well, yeah it was.
We kind of talked about that alittle bit with like how much of
that do you think was him andhow much of that do you think
was the serum.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, and I felt like that itwas that maybe the serum had
just brought out more of thecrazy or brought it closer to
the surface.
I suppose.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Because I felt like it was there in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I just gave him the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I guess I don't know.
The next portion I have here Ititled A Superhero, is Born
because we already had the hero.
Peter Parker was already a hero, but now he's a superhero.
Breaks into a lab, into wherethe genetically altered spiders
are, gets bit, finds his way outand then the metamorphosis
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starts.
I really like the subway sceneSpider-Sense.
It was almost like Spider-Senseacts as an instant kung fu.
Oh, somebody's coming at me.
I'm not looking that direction.
There's no way for me to know,but I'm still gonna kick his ass
like I mean.
It just it's so great, I lovehow it, how it just kind of
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works that way I prefer thepeter tingle yeah, the peter
tingle.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, I know stop calling it the peter tingle it's
gross, uh.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But yeah, no, the the spider sense was really neat.
I like how they, how theydepicted it with the you know
speed ramping on the videos andand you know closeups and uh,
all that kind of stuff.
I did like how you pointed outthe old school three stooges
slapsticks type comedy with thepole.
He's just standing thereholding the pole and turns
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around and whacks two guys inthe face.
You know, it's just, it is.
It is very, uh, very threestooges good stuff.
But that's all a part of a verybig, large adjustment period to
his, to his new powers.
So far, I think, between comics, cartoons and movies, I don't
know that there's ever been abad way to show this part
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happening, except that it's veryuncomfortable.
They were all very clearly ableto depict that this is not a
comfortable thing for Peter,especially when he's trying to
get ready in the morning andthen he's defending himself
against blinds with a with atoothbrush.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
The licking the fingers that night, like when he
caught the fly and then lickedhis fingers.
I was like I'm like that's alittle extra.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Okay, we get it spider-man well in in that whole
thing.
When he comes in, when he comesinto the home, I'm, I'm
insensitive, I'm, I'm hungry.
And then he goes to the kitchen, just starts grabbing, grabbing
stuff, gets the meatloaf.
She asked if he thinks thatPeter's been drinking and he's
like I don't think that's whatthis is.
It's like what do they thinkthat he's high?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, I mean to be fair.
He did take frozen macaroni andcheese upstairs.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Frozen Stouffer's macaroni and cheese.
Not a sponsor, I mean.
Well, I guess, unless youreally want to get a hold of jen
uh stouffers, if you want to,uh, if you want to sponsor
anyway, uh, you know.
And then he's got the the benand jerry's ice cream.
There was some kind of potatosalad in there, and then I
thought it was like a coleslawor something yeah, something
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from some kind of deli somewhereand just carries it all
upstairs without cooking any ofit.
Mm-hmm, so apparently becominga superhero has a very high
caloric demand.
I'd imagine.
Maybe not in the ridiculous wayas the Flash, but I still don't
feel like a breakfast sandwichwould really power that.
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Much of it Just saying.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That would be nice.
I mean, it does put me to sleepevery time I watch any of them.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
but yeah, I have a hard time with DC, especially DC
movies.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, it like when he woke up the next morning he just
like pulverized his freakingalarm clock and then went to
squeeze the toothpaste and itshot up on the mirror.
And then he just scooped it offthe mirror, which was gross,
but like he was just breakingstuff left and right, and I like
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how he just left the the sinkspouting water and just threw a
towel over it yeah, I wouldassume that he would know how to
turn off the water, uh, and,and he probably did that.
I suppose, I would hope he washalf alive, like he's your
typical teenager, waking up forschool half dead to the world.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right.
So, yeah, I mean, he gets, hegoes to school and and he he
ends up taking some of thatstuff over to to Dr Connors and
they work up a time for him togo and help him out.
Well, that, unfortunately, isthe same day that he chooses to
beat the shit out of Flash.
Basically, uncle Ben has totake time off of work to go to
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the school and so he has toswitch shifts, and then that
puts Peter in charge of gettingAunt May home.
Well, he doesn't do that.
He goes and does his thing withDr Connors at the Oscorp
building.
So, yeah, he's supposed to pickup Aunt May.
Ignores calls from Uncle Ben.
Uncle Ben comes down on Peterreal hard when he gets home, and
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Uncle Ben comes down hard onPeter because he's angry that
Aunt May had to walk home.
His wife just had to walk homeat night by herself and Ben is
pissed.
He's allowed to be pissed.
That's a really good reason tobe angry.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, he said, your aunt, my wife.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, he's not happy about it, but when, when he's in
the heat of his anger is not agood time to be, uh, to be doing
that parenting Cause he, hereally does come down hard on
Peter and he just and hecontinues to cut into him, uh,
with all kinds of like fromevery direction, just starts
really ripping into him evenafter peter has already admitted
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that he that he screwed up.
And ben keeps going at it like,just keeps going at him with,
actually my.
This is my favorite version ofthe great power, great
responsibility thing.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
This is the best one because it revived it yeah,
because you kind of get a littlesick and tired of hearing the
same.
With great power comes greatresponsibility, like Like that
was one thing that I hated whenthey redid Spider-Man movies was
you got basically the first onewas the same exact movie.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Right, ben throws Peter's dad's words at Peter
when Peter already clearly feelsbad.
You know it's like you, don't?
You don't have to keep beatingthat horse man.
But he said he believed that ifyou could do good things for
other people, you had a moralobligation to do those things.
That's what's at stake here,not choice, responsibility.
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Oh man, like Pete's pissed atthat point.
And he asks so where is he?
Like Pete's pissed at thatpoint, and he asks so where is
he?
If he was so great and mightyand moral and all of that stuff,
why isn't he here to tell methese things?
Ben gets pissed because that'shis brother.
And he says how dare you?
And Peter, Peter, that's whenPeter lets go of all of his
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anger and he says how dare I,how dare you, Like, really
You're?
You're taking my father's wordsand throwing them at me.
I know I fucked up and youcan't just leave it alone, you
know.
But the thing that followsafter that is a very, very good
demonstration of Uncle Benattempting a something that
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parents could really learnsomething about, and that's
rupture and repair.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Are you bringing work into this?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Maybe a little bit, but I think that when Peter left
, he finally realized that hehad fucked up, he had gone too
far and he had pushed too hardand he had damaged his
relationship with his nephew.
It's kind of unfortunatebecause we don't really see the
extent of it until the end ofthe movie, when uncle ben
couldn't find peter, he hadcalled his phone and left a
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voicemail.
That was basically his attemptat that repair, and that's an
important part.
Whenever, whenever you realizethat you've done that damage to
a relationship, usually you cangain a little bit of that back
and create an environment whereit can grow even more.
I'm sorry I fucked up.
Your dad had nothing to do withthis situation, but I brought
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him into it and you know that's.
You're already dealing withsome weird feelings about your
dad right now.
Anyway, and I'm sorry, I didn'tmean to.
I didn't mean to really bringall that shit up.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It was kind of like the perfect storm.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Right.
Everything was just not rightfor that.
But that is the repair.
When you come back in, youadmit you, you humble yourself
enough to admit your wrongdoing,give your intentions on not
repeating it.
That was his intention.
But of course, as we all know,what happens with Spider-Man
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movies the death of Uncle Ben,it's a really good thing that
you are not in the Spider-Verse.
Yeah, I'd pretty well be doomed, wouldn't I?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Although Isaiah totally is Miles Morales.
I'm just saying hey.
Hey, alice, I'm just saying hey,hey, the death of Uncle Ben.
In this movie.
Andrew Garfield did anexcellent job with the scene.
I can't say that anybody hasever done a bad job with the
scene, but I think what's reallybig about this one is not
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really the actual eventhappening where Uncle Ben is
killed.
I mean, one important facet ofit is that Ben was killed
because he was doing exactlywhat he just got done, telling
Peter he had an ability to helpsomebody and he intended to do
so, and it got him killed.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And it was the same thing that he basically got
killed.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Because, peter, instead of just being pathetic,
yeah, the way that he empathizesand the way that he tells him,
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like you know, because Peterslams him up against the wall,
up against the locker and hesays it feels better, doesn't it
?
It kind of gives you a littlebit of a like like a look into
Flash that maybe he's the bullyhe is because of a similar event
.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, to flash that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Maybe he's the bully he is because of a similar event
, yeah, that he had gone throughsome kind of a trauma that had
sent him off into that direction.
So it's like flash and peterkind of represent two possible
roads that lead away from thattrauma.
But it also shows that rage andrevenge can take over your life
, like you had written down, andpeter very much does.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Let all of that stuff take over yeah, instead of like
he, he thinks that he is doinggood for everybody, which I mean
to some extent, yes, but he isonly going after the people.
That's the same description ofthe person he wants vengeance on
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, so he's really justself-serving.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, we learned that when he goes to dinner at
Gwen's house he sits down at thetable with Captain Stacy.
They're talking aboutSpider-Man.
He calls it a public service byhelping the police and all of
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Doing stuff the police can't do by helping the
police and all of that stuff,doing stuff the police can't do.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, captain Stacy clues him in on maybe we're not
after the car thief, maybe we'reafter the guy who runs the drug
ring that is paying people withdrug money to.
You know, it's like there's allkinds of different things that
he didn't think about.
That Captain Stacy is just kindof shoving right into his face
right now and then presentsPeter with the idea that his
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public service isn't so publicand is very much self-serving.
And that was really important,I think, for Peter to find out.
After that whole scene wherePeter kind of has to go outside
of himself and kind of realizethat he's not really being a
superhero at that point, thathe's just kind of being a dick,
uh, to a large group ofcriminals that look the same, he
jumps off the roof to go afterdot Connors.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
The rest of the movie was pretty much just a really a
really good comic book movie.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Um, somebody's been a bad lizard.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Somebody's been a bad lizard.
Somebody's been a bad lizard.
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
That was pretty good every time I hear that I I just
can lose it yeah, it's goodstuff.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
This movie did a lot of really great things.
Um, it was a reboot.
That needed to happen because Ithink that the spider-man that
had been presented before wasjust too out of touch for the
youth that that would have beeninterested in Spider-Man at this
point.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, and I think, at least in my opinion, the first
Spider-Man focused more on, likethe love story, this one
focuses more on him becomingthat superhero his development
as a superhero.
Yeah, um, I mean, yes,obviously there is the love
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story in it, but it doesn't takeover the movie yeah, good stuff
, I love it I do love when, um,he tells gwen to get out of
oscorp and she's like, oh, it'snot, it's not done rendering the
serum.
And he's like, seriously, aftereverything, I just told you
you're just gonna hang out there.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He's like mother hubbard, yeah no, the the
spider-Man quips and stuff likethat in this were really good.
Good, good Spider-Man humor.
It just borderlines on thatfine line between offensive and
just really funny.
It was good.
I liked it.
Now we've been at theconversation for a little while.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, and we didn't get that far into the movie.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And we didn't get very far into the movie.
But I mean, the rest of themovie is pretty much a comic
book.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah Well, and then, like Gwen's dad, on the roof.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
The death of Captain Stacy.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, and she gave him that serum and he's like,
yeah, I get it.
And then when Stacey says, youknow, basically make sure he's,
he's going to be okay, that'sexactly what he did, he.
He died protecting, protectingPeter.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
He sure did.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And he did the meanest thing.
I totally get it from a fatherstandpoint.
God damn, that was mean yeah itmakes me sad anytime.
Dennis leary dies he is areally good like he's a perfect
new yorker yes, he is like thatreally good new york cop, or
he's a five-star new yorker andand just absolutely perfect
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personally, I think he usuallyalways plays an a-hole, but I
mean well I mean did you eversee the song at the beginning of
no Cure for Cancer?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
one of his.
I've never seen that uh, noCure for Cancer was one of his
uh stand-up comedy routines.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
He had a song, oh, the one that you sing yes, I,
I'm an asshole yeah.
Yeah, I've definitely heardthat part of it.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, he does a good job.
He plays a really good asshole,especially in no Cure for
Cancer.
If you haven't seen it, ifyou're into standup comedy,
check out Dennis Leary's no Curefor Cancer.
And it is not politicallycorrect in any way, shape or
form, so just be warned.
Um, and it is certainly notfamily friendly, but yeah.
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So I mean, now that we're, nowthat we're kind of down into the
, into the bottom end of it,we're in, we're in active
ingredient territory here.
So, uh, what, what do you gotfor an active ingredient in this
movie?
Well, I, what do you got for anactive ingredient in?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
this movie.
Well, I guess, as cheesy as itis, honestly like you don't have
to have superpowers to be adecent human being and stand up
when you see something goingwrong.
I'm not saying, you know, putyourself in like actual danger
if you know you can't doanything.
(40:22):
What I'm saying is someone isgetting bullied, someone is
getting picked on.
You see something pointed outand we're trying to be a good
human, which I feel like itshouldn't be that hard of a
thing to do, but it feels likeyou see less and less of it.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So I guess, yeah, mine would be be a good human.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That's pretty close to mine.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Same wave.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'd chosen to help others when I can, but this
movie really brought me to thatconclusion that it isn't much of
a choice, as much as it is aresponsibility.
I appreciated this moviebecause it took that tired old
line with great power comesgreat responsibility and made it
a real message for real people.
Helping your fellow humans whenyou're, when you're able, uh,
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is not a choice, it's, it's aresponsibility.
With that in mind, uh, today'sepisode has a prescription
attached.
Uh, the very next time you seesomeone that needs help and you
have the ability to help fulfillthat responsibility I'm not
saying to give someone your last$20 or anything like that If
you're struggling, then youaren't really in a position to
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help others anyway.
But if you can, you know, helpthe next person that you see
that could definitely use it.
And if you're one of thosepeople that's struggling, don't
give in to despair.
Remember that you have valueand reach out to those that know
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your value and ask them forhelp, and you know who those
people are.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And I guess, if I can add on, that you don't have to
do anything more than just yousee somebody having a rough day
and just go up to them and say,hey, you're doing a good job.
It can be as simple as that.
Like to just change somebody'sday.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Or hey, you got nice hair.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Compliments are absolutely free and so easy to
give out are absolutely free andso easy to give out.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that would be my prescription.
The very next person you seethat needs help to fulfill your
responsibility.
Be Spider-Man.
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Hello and welcome to MovieRx, where I prescribe
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I am your host, dr Benjamin,the doctor, in the same way as
Dr Connors is a doctor, a littlescaly and prickly at times, but
deep down, I love science.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
That's fair, especially the prickly sometimes
.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thank you.
You're welcome the pricklysometimes.
Thank you, you're welcome.
Uh, as you can hear, today Iinvited on uh the movie rx
producer jen to.
We're gonna be talking aboutmostly, mostly one aspect of of
the film, but, uh, we're gonnalook at a side of the amazing
spider-man.
I'm pretty excited about thisone this is my surprise face.
(01:05):
I don't know if anybody knowsit or not, but Spider-Man's my
favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Especially this Spider-Man.
He's up there.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Of the live action ones.
Yes, yes, yeah.
Starting with the basic movieinfo, this is a Columbia
Pictures production released in2012,.
Uh, directed by Mark Webb Webb.
Uh but, uh, so, uh, somethingthat you'll notice about Mark
(01:36):
Webb is that, uh, it's, it's nota real popular name that's
brought up as far as you know,somebody directing a movie or
anything like that.
That's because he hasn't reallydone a whole lot.
He's done mostly well, he'sdone a lot.
He's done a lot of music videosfor, like, my Chemical Romance
and some other popular artists,but he did direct an Office
(01:59):
episode Manager and Salesman.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think I know which one that is episode manager and
salesman.
I think I know which one thatis.
Yeah, it's in season six, Ithink.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'massuming that's the one where
michael and jim fight over who'sgoing to be the manager and
it's going to be the salesmanyes, I believe so, other than
that there haven't been a ton ofmovie credits under this guy's
belt.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
But it's kind of hard to believe when you look at
some of the stuff that, uh, someof the other stuff with this
movie, it's, it's prettyincredible.
Stars Andrew Garfield, EmmaStone and Reese Evans, Uh, but I
mean, that's.
That's about as close as I'mgoing to get it.
His name in Welsh is I, I.
(02:41):
I really couldn't even begin tosay it, but I do know that one
F comes off as a V in Welsh.
If it were two Fs, then itwould sound more like an FV,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Anyway, I'll just believe you.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So the IMDB description on this one.
After Peter Parker is bitten bya genetically altered spider,
he gains newfound spider-likepowers and ventures out to save
the city from the machinationsof a mysterious reptilian foe.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay, I feel like that's fairly accurate.
So I guess this is a suck it,Jamie.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Maybe the only thing that sucks is that I don't
really feel like that.
There's a whole lot of mysterysurrounding the the lizard well,
at first, of course, becausethey have to figure out who it
is, but then they also have tofigure out how to stop him right
so maybe that's some of themystery that they're but we know
(03:41):
like there's nothing mysteriousabout it to the, to the
audience but to the charactersmaybe, I don't know, we'll see
so initial impressionimpressions on this movie in the
more technical facets I suppose.
I I mean really I loved thismovie when it came out.
(04:05):
I went to see it in the movietheater.
Uh, really spoke to me as aSpider-Man comic fan because it
at the time it felt like themost uh accurate comic type
representation on the screen.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's where we disagree a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, no, not, not characters and stuff, just the
feel like the feel of a comicbook and you know the way that
the story arcs work with incomic books.
I suppose, Cinematography wasexcellent, largely leaning on
lighting.
Lighting is what made thecinematography in this movie,
(04:42):
and again that kind of comesback to Mark Webb I don't know
how the man is is soknowledgeable in lighting.
Uh, I mean, I might have tolook at some of the, my chemical
romance stuff to see you knowhow the, how the music videos
work and stuff like that.
But the lighting is really whatdoes it?
Music, uh, the music music.
(05:03):
James Horner did a great jobwith this movie and I really
loved that.
Spider-man finally had afanfare.
Every other superhero in all ofhistory has had a fanfare of
some kind and Spider-Man justalways had that goofy ass song.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
See and I didn't even think about that until you
pointed it out that this is theonly one where he has his own
fanfare.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, you know when those horns come in, you know,
and just I mean it's just great,great stuff.
But of course that's JamesHorner, that's just what he does
, acting everything from DennisLeary's Captain Stacy down to
Max Charles, the little boyplaying Peter in the beginning
of the movie.
Great, they all did great.
(05:50):
This one was the movie thatmade me aware of Andrew Garfield
.
Honestly, I'm kind of bummedthat we don't see more of him,
because he does a pretty goodjob.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm telling you he is way too cool to be Spider-Man.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
No, he's not too cool to be spider-man.
No, he's not too cool to bespider-man if you say so is.
That is that the the gist ofyour, of your general feelings
on the movie I, I, I love thesemovies.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I do wish that there were more of them, but I think
that, yeah, I just think he'stoo cool to be spider-man like
maybe spider-man down the downthe road a little while, where
he's more like confident inhimself, but starting out I
think he's way too cool.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And normally this is about when I'd go into the
characters, but we've kind ofalready started talking about
one of them.
I have something about that.
In the first point of interest,he's a new Spider-Man.
If there's one thing thatreally made everything very,
very, very clear, it was in noWay Home.
(06:57):
The newest one, with TomHolland.
It shows that these are allvery, very separate Spider-Men.
Their universes are all verydifferent.
Tom Holland didn't even have anUncle Ben, so they're going to
be different from each other ina lot of different ways.
But the reason I liked this onewas because it kind of showed a
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more modern nerd.
Because it kind of showed amore modern nerd Nerds the way
that they are, that they were inyou know 2012, 20, you know
2002.
They were very different fromthe 1962 nerds.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I think it is becoming more acceptable to be a
nerd, or maybe that's just thepeople that we surround
ourselves with because we'regiant nerds.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well, and it's not even that, it's just that the
culture of nerddom has haschanged quite a bit.
I remember feeling kind of outof place because I felt like a
more like a more traditionalnerd, but like the kids that
would skateboard in the hallwaysand, and you know, take off
running down hallways eventhough they were, you know,
being screamed at by teachers tostop, and you know lots of them
(08:05):
smoked weed and and you knowstuff like that.
So it was like all of these,all of these various different
things that just kind of youknow that I noticed as being
more of a nerd thing when I wasin high school.
Uh it, it just felt closer tothat than the original
Spider-Man type back in 1962.
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So it just I liked how theykind of modernized the way that
a nerd would be today, becausehe was still pretty socially
inept, you know he.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Mostly just with girls.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, yeah, pretty much Well, and he didn't talk a
whole lot with boys About.
The only time he talked withboys was Flash, and that wasn't
ever any fun, I don't know.
He just felt a lot more modernto me and I really appreciated
that.
But despite the differencesbetween the kind of nerd that
Spider-Man was in 62 versus thenewer version, he embodies a
(09:03):
theme in this movie thatspider-man fans I think could
all really appreciate and reallylove, and that's that he's a
hero, with or without the bite.
I mean that goes, that goesright into, you know, the next
talking point, the underdog hero.
They gave us a scenespecifically to show us just
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what kind of human being PeterParker was.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know, he wasn't Spider-Man, he was just a kid.
He walks out into the you knowsome kind of courtyard or
something like that, where Flashis.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Bean Flash.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's got a kid inclined face first into a plate
of food, uh, dunking his faceinto the, into the kid's lunch,
and flashes, uh, he's.
He's yelling at Peter to take apicture.
Well, he won't take the pictureand keeps telling him to put
him down and flash refuses to doso.
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And then that's, when he puthim down, eugene and everybody's
just like, oh shit, you know.
And then, of course, flashthrows the underclassman that
he's dunking into his lunch,throws him off to the side.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
And Peter, like automatically, like first thing,
tries to go and see if thatother kid was okay.
He wasn't worried about himselfor his well-being, he was
worried about the kids.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right, despite the fact that he I mean, there was
no way that he didn't see Flashcoming for him.
So, even though the initialresponse for just about anybody
is self-preservation, this giantmotherfucker is coming after me
.
This giant motherfucker iscoming after me, so I need to.
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I need to put an arm up orsomething to guard myself, even
if I am going towards it.
And he didn't nothing at all.
He just went straight to gocheck on, check on that kid and
caught a hell of a right handfrom flash, knocked him on the
ground, got kicked a coupletimes, but then then we we get a
showing of why gwen has hervery own spider spin-off.
She comes in as the hero forpeter parker standing up to
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flash telling him you know,divert his attention elsewhere
and he needs to pay a little bitmore attention to school.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So okay, in the first Spider-Man trilogy could you
imagine her bringing that hometo captain Stacy?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Probably wouldn't go over well.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Guys like that, they they can definitely turn on the
charm, even though they're youknow but faces.
Yeah, we'll call him that yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
No, I think I'm pretty sure that there wasn't
any sort of romantic involvementin this universe between those
two.
But he finds a hero in Gwen forhim.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
What's your name?
You don't know my name.
Oh, I know your name.
I'm trying to see if you knowyour name that's great and then
she kind of after he says peterbut doesn't say his last name,
she kind of like keep going,keep going.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
it was just really good, um, and a really good way
to introduce the two togetherand and just kind of show a
little bit of chemistry betweenthe characters in a very subtle
way, I guess.
But after all that, there's alittle bit of stuff before Peter
goes home and that is enterUncle Ben and Aunt May.
Now we're not really going totalk a whole lot about Aunt May,
(12:58):
because Aunt May I kind of feellike in this movie she's very,
very background.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Until the end.
Yeah, she's more background.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, and that's okay.
I mean it really is okay thatAunt May isn't the star or
anything like that, because andyou're not just saying that
because you don't really carefor the actress.
You know, it's not even reallythat she will have her time to
shine, and that's in the sequel.
She is fantastic in the sequel,yes, and honestly, it's not
(13:32):
even that I hate Sally Field.
I just I couldn't look at thewoman without getting pissed
because of because of MrsDoubtfire.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I love that movie.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, man, sally Field made me hate Sally Field
because of Mrs Doubtfire.
Without talking too much aboutit, the sequel totally, totally
revived her with me.
She did so good in AmazingSpider-Man 2.
Fantastic job.
So that's really where she'sgoing to shine is someday when I
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do that episode.
So since she's reallybackground, then that means that
the focus really is more onUncle Ben.
As far as I'm concerned, martinSheen is the best Uncle Ben
since the original.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I don't know.
I can think of an Uncle Benthat I like more yeah, but I'm
not.
Your uncle Ben that I like moreyeah, but I'm not your uncle
Ben.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And uncle Ben.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But seriously there's so many parts about him that
are really great.
You would put down that youknow May and and Ben had treated
Peter like they, like he wastheir own and everything uh
which that already kind of takesa special kind of person or
whatever but he was supportive.
He was hard when he needed tobe, but he was also humble.
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Martin Sheen's version of UncleBen seems very much likely to
be a very big part of the reasonwhy Peter is such a hero before
he becomes a superhero.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, yeah, like with how, with how upset he got with
Peter when he found out that hehumiliated flash.
He just, yeah, the kid did youwrong, but you do you really
want to treat someone like that?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So he did something bad to you and you wanted to get
him back.
Revenge isn't a good reason todo that.
It has to come from little bitsof insight like that, and
that's why Peter Parker is theway that he is.
It doesn't strike me as normalthat he would have gotten into
fights or anything like that orhumiliated somebody, but I'm
guessing that when he wasyounger, that was probably
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something that he had gottensome lessons from uncle Ben
about.
Yeah, I don't know.
I really.
I really like Martin Sheen'suncle Ben.
He does a great job.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And like when Peter, when Peter tells him that he's a
good dad, like the the joy andthe the pride that he took in
just hearing Peter say that.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's a really good feeling for somebody to know
that they're appreciated forsomething that they've put so
much time into, that they've putso much effort and so much love
.
You know, when they put thatmuch into a person and try to
create something good to go outinto the world, that takes a lot
of hard work.
And so, yeah, yeah, with withPeter telling, telling uncle Ben
(16:24):
, you know you're a good dad,that was the reward that he was,
that he was able to reap.
Uh, something else that you'dkind of had something in here
about was, um, it kind of showsa little bit of kind of a darker
side of aunt May and uncle Bennot even really darker as much,
as it is just not really allthat wholesome how they buried
all traces of Peter's parents.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I don't know that it was, I don't know.
I guess to me it was.
I can kind of see them beingthe type of people that they
don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So they're going to go out of their way to not have
to say anything, right?
That's why I kind of had a hardtime describing on like not
totally wholesome, because it'sit's not like they didn't do it
to deceive Peter.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Right, it didn't have a malicious intent.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, they.
They did it because they weretrying to save his feelings and
they're both old.
In a more modern age we mightbe a little bit more enlightened
to think, you know.
Well, maybe it's not better tohold that stuff back and you
know, and just kind of face itand make it part of reality.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
But how do you tell a kid growing up hey, your dad
was doing some sketchy shit Gothim in your mom, you know,
disappeared.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right, it is a hard subject but, like you said,
hiding it is just going to makeit worse in the long run.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, because then he also felt like he couldn't
really talk about it, becauselike in some way maybe he was
saying that May and Uncle Benweren't good enough.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't even think it's that.
I think that you remember whenhe went, when he found that bag,
that I think that you rememberwhen he went.
When he found that bag itlooked like he was.
He was crawling into the groundunderneath the house, you know.
I mean it's like it was.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It was pretty deep.
There were a lot of things thatwere knocked over and it took a
flood in the basement for himto find it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right With it being stuffed that far away.
It feels really intentional asa young man.
Think about a high school agedboy who lives with his aunt and
uncle because his parents aregone.
If they took all of the stufffrom their parents and stuffed
it away to where it'll never befound, are they trying to keep
it out of sight?
Are they trying to keep it thatthey don't want to talk about
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it?
And if that's the case, thenyou know he would feel less
inclined to ask about it becausewell, obviously they don't want
to go near it part of thatcould also be because of them.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Um, like uncle ben was supposed to keep it safe,
right, so maybe it was extremelyhidden for that as well, but it
definitely had something to dowith, I think, them not knowing
what to say, because Peter nevertalks about his parents.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Right, but you see how that might give the message
to Peter.
We don't talk about this.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Oh yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I think that's probably a bigger reason that I
think that things kind of cometo the head that they do later
on.
I don't know, but either way, Imean Aunt May, uncle Ben,
definitely a really good versionof both of them.
Whether they're hiding awayparts of Peter's parents and all
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of that stuff or not, doesn'tmatter.
Cooking bad meatloafs 37 yearsof bad meatloaf.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And old bowling trophies on the table.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
The next point of interest I had was Dr Connors.
It kind of has to be talkedabout that there's this tired
trope that was very, verypopular at the time that this
movie came out.
The villainous greater goodtrope trying to build a world
without weakness and the nextstage of human evolution thing.
You know that it was.
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It was really, really overdone,especially in the 2010s.
I mean, it's forgivable in thismovie because it did come out
in the middle of that craze orwhatever, but still it just Okay
.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So which is worse Turning everybody into giant
lizards, or snapping and gettingrid of half of the population?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
There's so many plot holes in that.
There are so so many plot holesin the snap I was just thinking
the greater good thing, youknow?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I think you'd rather be a giant lizard.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Maybe Because it would affect less of the galaxy.
I suppose, and you know, I guessthen there would be more food,
I don't know.
Whatever, I don't get it, but Iguess I can forgive that.
You know, good guy with or abad guy with the, with the
greater good in mind, thingbeing is that it was just really
popular at the time.
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But one thing I will say aboutDr Connors was it or was it not?
When you're watching him talkto the interns, can you see that
shadow of crazy, as he'stalking about the?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I think he has very, very good people skills.
The whole you know madscientist thing with what he was
talking to them about, yes, youcould see the glimpse of you
know kind of crazy, but himhimself I didn't see the like
Uber crazy until, um, you kindof see his obsession Like once
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Peter gives him that formula youkind of start to see that shift
where he gets extremely focusedand a little crazier, and a
little crazier because he getscloser and closer to his goal
and he can see that light at theend of the tunnel.
And I think once he saw thatlight at the end of the tunnel,
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that's when it really startedgoing when it had the.
You know they were runningthose tests on the computer with
the mice.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh, the, the simulator.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yes, once that simulator was talking about how
it was successful.
I think that's when it you know.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right, yeah, Well, except I don't know, I still
feel like.
I still feel like, as I watchedhim talk to those interns when
what are some ways that we cando that?
And one kid raises his hand andsays stem cells, and he says
promising, but I'm thinkingsomething a little more radical.
Yeah, the whole speech that hegives them talking about you
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know, all of that stuff.
I just I felt like there was,there was an intentional twinge
of crazy built into that.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Maybe we're just watching too much Big Bang
because you see Sheldon Cooperand he's crazy.
I didn't see that much crazy inhim.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
See, I don't know, I guess maybe it's just me wanting
to, wanting to put thatcraziness is just something that
was a part of him, that theserum brought out more, you know
, with the, with the change, orsomething.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Right, well, yeah it was.
We kind of talked about that alittle bit with like how much of
that do you think was him andhow much of that do you think
was the serum.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, and I felt like that itwas that maybe the serum had
just brought out more of thecrazy or brought it closer to
the surface.
I suppose.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh, for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Because I felt like it was there in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I just gave him the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I guess I don't know.
The next portion I have here Ititled A Superhero, is Born
because we already had the hero.
Peter Parker was already a hero, but now he's a superhero.
Breaks into a lab, into wherethe genetically altered spiders
are, gets bit, finds his way outand then the metamorphosis
(24:27):
starts.
I really like the subway sceneSpider-Sense.
It was almost like Spider-Senseacts as an instant kung fu.
Oh, somebody's coming at me.
I'm not looking that direction.
There's no way for me to know,but I'm still gonna kick his ass
like I mean.
It just it's so great, I lovehow it, how it just kind of
(24:47):
works that way I prefer thepeter tingle yeah, the peter
tingle.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, I know stop calling it the peter tingle it's
gross, uh.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
But yeah, no, the the spider sense was really neat.
I like how they, how theydepicted it with the you know
speed ramping on the videos andand you know closeups and uh,
all that kind of stuff.
I did like how you pointed outthe old school three stooges
slapsticks type comedy with thepole.
He's just standing thereholding the pole and turns
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around and whacks two guys inthe face.
You know, it's just, it is.
It is very, uh, very threestooges good stuff.
But that's all a part of a verybig, large adjustment period to
his, to his new powers.
So far, I think, between comics, cartoons and movies, I don't
know that there's ever been abad way to show this part
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happening, except that it's veryuncomfortable.
They were all very clearly ableto depict that this is not a
comfortable thing for Peter,especially when he's trying to
get ready in the morning andthen he's defending himself
against blinds with a with atoothbrush.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
The licking the fingers that night, like when he
caught the fly and then lickedhis fingers.
I was like I'm like that's alittle extra.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Okay, we get it spider-man well in in that whole
thing.
When he comes in, when he comesinto the home, I'm, I'm
insensitive, I'm, I'm hungry.
And then he goes to the kitchen, just starts grabbing, grabbing
stuff, gets the meatloaf.
She asked if he thinks thatPeter's been drinking and he's
like I don't think that's whatthis is.
It's like what do they thinkthat he's high?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well, I mean to be fair.
He did take frozen macaroni andcheese upstairs.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Frozen Stouffer's macaroni and cheese.
Not a sponsor, I mean.
Well, I guess, unless youreally want to get a hold of jen
uh stouffers, if you want to,uh, if you want to sponsor
anyway, uh, you know.
And then he's got the the benand jerry's ice cream.
There was some kind of potatosalad in there, and then I
thought it was like a coleslawor something yeah, something
(27:00):
from some kind of deli somewhereand just carries it all
upstairs without cooking any ofit.
Mm-hmm, so apparently becominga superhero has a very high
caloric demand.
I'd imagine.
Maybe not in the ridiculous wayas the Flash, but I still don't
feel like a breakfast sandwichwould really power that.
(27:20):
Much of it Just saying.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
That would be nice.
I mean, it does put me to sleepevery time I watch any of them.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
but yeah, I have a hard time with DC, especially DC
movies.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, it like when he woke up the next morning he just
like pulverized his freakingalarm clock and then went to
squeeze the toothpaste and itshot up on the mirror.
And then he just scooped it offthe mirror, which was gross,
but like he was just breakingstuff left and right, and I like
(27:54):
how he just left the the sinkspouting water and just threw a
towel over it yeah, I wouldassume that he would know how to
turn off the water, uh, and,and he probably did that.
I suppose, I would hope he washalf alive, like he's your
typical teenager, waking up forschool half dead to the world.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right.
So, yeah, I mean, he gets, hegoes to school and and he he
ends up taking some of thatstuff over to to Dr Connors and
they work up a time for him togo and help him out.
Well, that, unfortunately, isthe same day that he chooses to
beat the shit out of Flash.
Basically, uncle Ben has totake time off of work to go to
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the school and so he has toswitch shifts, and then that
puts Peter in charge of gettingAunt May home.
Well, he doesn't do that.
He goes and does his thing withDr Connors at the Oscorp
building.
So, yeah, he's supposed to pickup Aunt May.
Ignores calls from Uncle Ben.
Uncle Ben comes down on Peterreal hard when he gets home, and
(29:04):
Uncle Ben comes down hard onPeter because he's angry that
Aunt May had to walk home.
His wife just had to walk homeat night by herself and Ben is
pissed.
He's allowed to be pissed.
That's a really good reason tobe angry.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, he said, your aunt, my wife.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, he's not happy about it, but when, when he's in
the heat of his anger is not agood time to be, uh, to be doing
that parenting Cause he, hereally does come down hard on
Peter and he just and hecontinues to cut into him, uh,
with all kinds of like fromevery direction, just starts
really ripping into him evenafter peter has already admitted
(29:44):
that he that he screwed up.
And ben keeps going at it like,just keeps going at him with,
actually my.
This is my favorite version ofthe great power, great
responsibility thing.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
This is the best one because it revived it yeah,
because you kind of get a littlesick and tired of hearing the
same.
With great power comes greatresponsibility, like Like that
was one thing that I hated whenthey redid Spider-Man movies was
you got basically the first onewas the same exact movie.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Right, ben throws Peter's dad's words at Peter
when Peter already clearly feelsbad.
You know it's like you, don't?
You don't have to keep beatingthat horse man.
But he said he believed that ifyou could do good things for
other people, you had a moralobligation to do those things.
That's what's at stake here,not choice, responsibility.
(30:35):
Oh man, like Pete's pissed atthat point.
And he asks so where is he?
Like Pete's pissed at thatpoint, and he asks so where is
he?
If he was so great and mightyand moral and all of that stuff,
why isn't he here to tell methese things?
Ben gets pissed because that'shis brother.
And he says how dare you?
And Peter, Peter, that's whenPeter lets go of all of his
(30:57):
anger and he says how dare I,how dare you, Like, really
You're?
You're taking my father's wordsand throwing them at me.
I know I fucked up and youcan't just leave it alone, you
know.
But the thing that followsafter that is a very, very good
demonstration of Uncle Benattempting a something that
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parents could really learnsomething about, and that's
rupture and repair.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Are you bringing work into this?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Maybe a little bit, but I think that when Peter left
, he finally realized that hehad fucked up, he had gone too
far and he had pushed too hardand he had damaged his
relationship with his nephew.
It's kind of unfortunatebecause we don't really see the
extent of it until the end ofthe movie, when uncle ben
couldn't find peter, he hadcalled his phone and left a
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voicemail.
That was basically his attemptat that repair, and that's an
important part.
Whenever, whenever you realizethat you've done that damage to
a relationship, usually you cangain a little bit of that back
and create an environment whereit can grow even more.
I'm sorry I fucked up.
Your dad had nothing to do withthis situation, but I brought
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him into it and you know that's.
You're already dealing withsome weird feelings about your
dad right now.
Anyway, and I'm sorry, I didn'tmean to.
I didn't mean to really bringall that shit up.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It was kind of like the perfect storm.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Right.
Everything was just not rightfor that.
But that is the repair.
When you come back in, youadmit you, you humble yourself
enough to admit your wrongdoing,give your intentions on not
repeating it.
That was his intention.
But of course, as we all know,what happens with Spider-Man
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movies the death of Uncle Ben,it's a really good thing that
you are not in the Spider-Verse.
Yeah, I'd pretty well be doomed, wouldn't I?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Although Isaiah totally is Miles Morales.
I'm just saying hey.
Hey, alice, I'm just saying hey,hey, the death of Uncle Ben.
In this movie.
Andrew Garfield did anexcellent job with the scene.
I can't say that anybody hasever done a bad job with the
scene, but I think what's reallybig about this one is not
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really the actual eventhappening where Uncle Ben is
killed.
I mean, one important facet ofit is that Ben was killed
because he was doing exactlywhat he just got done, telling
Peter he had an ability to helpsomebody and he intended to do
so, and it got him killed.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And it was the same thing that he basically got
killed.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Because, peter, instead of just being pathetic,
yeah, the way that he empathizesand the way that he tells him,
(34:07):
like you know, because Peterslams him up against the wall,
up against the locker and hesays it feels better, doesn't it
?
It kind of gives you a littlebit of a like like a look into
Flash that maybe he's the bullyhe is because of a similar event
.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, to flash that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Maybe he's the bully he is because of a similar event
, yeah, that he had gone throughsome kind of a trauma that had
sent him off into that direction.
So it's like flash and peterkind of represent two possible
roads that lead away from thattrauma.
But it also shows that rage andrevenge can take over your life
, like you had written down, andpeter very much does.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Let all of that stuff take over yeah, instead of like
he, he thinks that he is doinggood for everybody, which I mean
to some extent, yes, but he isonly going after the people.
That's the same description ofthe person he wants vengeance on
(35:03):
, so he's really justself-serving.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, we learned that when he goes to dinner at
Gwen's house he sits down at thetable with Captain Stacy.
They're talking aboutSpider-Man.
He calls it a public service byhelping the police and all of
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Doing stuff the police can't do by helping the
police and all of that stuff,doing stuff the police can't do.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, captain Stacy clues him in on maybe we're not
after the car thief, maybe we'reafter the guy who runs the drug
ring that is paying people withdrug money to.
You know, it's like there's allkinds of different things that
he didn't think about.
That Captain Stacy is just kindof shoving right into his face
right now and then presentsPeter with the idea that his
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public service isn't so publicand is very much self-serving.
And that was really important,I think, for Peter to find out.
After that whole scene wherePeter kind of has to go outside
of himself and kind of realizethat he's not really being a
superhero at that point, thathe's just kind of being a dick,
uh, to a large group ofcriminals that look the same, he
jumps off the roof to go afterdot Connors.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
The rest of the movie was pretty much just a really a
really good comic book movie.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Um, somebody's been a bad lizard.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Somebody's been a bad lizard.
Somebody's been a bad lizard.
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
That was pretty good every time I hear that I I just
can lose it yeah, it's goodstuff.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
This movie did a lot of really great things.
Um, it was a reboot.
That needed to happen because Ithink that the spider-man that
had been presented before wasjust too out of touch for the
youth that that would have beeninterested in Spider-Man at this
point.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, and I think, at least in my opinion, the first
Spider-Man focused more on, likethe love story, this one
focuses more on him becomingthat superhero his development
as a superhero.
Yeah, um, I mean, yes,obviously there is the love
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story in it, but it doesn't takeover the movie yeah, good stuff
, I love it I do love when, um,he tells gwen to get out of
oscorp and she's like, oh, it'snot, it's not done rendering the
serum.
And he's like, seriously, aftereverything, I just told you
you're just gonna hang out there.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He's like mother hubbard, yeah no, the the
spider-Man quips and stuff likethat in this were really good.
Good, good Spider-Man humor.
It just borderlines on thatfine line between offensive and
just really funny.
It was good.
I liked it.
Now we've been at theconversation for a little while.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, and we didn't get that far into the movie.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And we didn't get very far into the movie.
But I mean, the rest of themovie is pretty much a comic
book.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah Well, and then, like Gwen's dad, on the roof.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
The death of Captain Stacy.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, and she gave him that serum and he's like,
yeah, I get it.
And then when Stacey says, youknow, basically make sure he's,
he's going to be okay, that'sexactly what he did, he.
He died protecting, protectingPeter.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
He sure did.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And he did the meanest thing.
I totally get it from a fatherstandpoint.
God damn, that was mean yeah itmakes me sad anytime.
Dennis leary dies he is areally good like he's a perfect
new yorker yes, he is like thatreally good new york cop, or
he's a five-star new yorker andand just absolutely perfect
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personally, I think he usuallyalways plays an a-hole, but I
mean well I mean did you eversee the song at the beginning of
no Cure for Cancer?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
one of his.
I've never seen that uh, noCure for Cancer was one of his
uh stand-up comedy routines.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
He had a song, oh, the one that you sing yes, I,
I'm an asshole yeah.
Yeah, I've definitely heardthat part of it.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, he does a good job.
He plays a really good asshole,especially in no Cure for
Cancer.
If you haven't seen it, ifyou're into standup comedy,
check out Dennis Leary's no Curefor Cancer.
And it is not politicallycorrect in any way, shape or
form, so just be warned.
Um, and it is certainly notfamily friendly, but yeah.
(39:48):
So I mean, now that we're, nowthat we're kind of down into the
, into the bottom end of it,we're in, we're in active
ingredient territory here.
So, uh, what, what do you gotfor an active ingredient in this
movie?
Well, I, what do you got for anactive ingredient in?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
this movie.
Well, I guess, as cheesy as itis, honestly like you don't have
to have superpowers to be adecent human being and stand up
when you see something goingwrong.
I'm not saying, you know, putyourself in like actual danger
if you know you can't doanything.
(40:22):
What I'm saying is someone isgetting bullied, someone is
getting picked on.
You see something pointed outand we're trying to be a good
human, which I feel like itshouldn't be that hard of a
thing to do, but it feels likeyou see less and less of it.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So I guess, yeah, mine would be be a good human.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That's pretty close to mine.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Same wave.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'd chosen to help others when I can, but this
movie really brought me to thatconclusion that it isn't much of
a choice, as much as it is aresponsibility.
I appreciated this moviebecause it took that tired old
line with great power comesgreat responsibility and made it
a real message for real people.
Helping your fellow humans whenyou're, when you're able, uh,
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is not a choice, it's, it's aresponsibility.
With that in mind, uh, today'sepisode has a prescription
attached.
Uh, the very next time you seesomeone that needs help and you
have the ability to help fulfillthat responsibility I'm not
saying to give someone your last$20 or anything like that If
you're struggling, then youaren't really in a position to
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help others anyway.
But if you can, you know, helpthe next person that you see
that could definitely use it.
And if you're one of thosepeople that's struggling, don't
give in to despair.
Remember that you have valueand reach out to those that know
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your value and ask them forhelp, and you know who those
people are.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And I guess, if I can add on, that you don't have to
do anything more than just yousee somebody having a rough day
and just go up to them and say,hey, you're doing a good job.
It can be as simple as that.
Like to just change somebody'sday.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Or hey, you got nice hair.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Compliments are absolutely free and so easy to
give out are absolutely free andso easy to give out.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that would be my prescription.
The very next person you seethat needs help to fulfill your
responsibility.
Be Spider-Man.
Now, if you have a movie that'sbeen medicine for you and you'd
like to be on the show, you canemail me at contact at
movie-rxcom.
You can also leave me avoicemail or text me at
402-519-5790.
(42:43):
If anxiety keeps you fromcoming on, you can always write
me a couple of paragraphs abouta movie and I can read them on
air.
Remember, this movie is notintended to treat, cure or
prevent any disease, and we'llsee you at the next appointment.
Thank you, you.
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