The Super-Mega Movie RX Season One Review

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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello and welcome to MovieRx, where I prescribe
entertainment, one movie at atime, except today.
Okay, um, can I get someheartfelt music for the
announcements?
Not quite like that.

(00:42):
Maybe a little happier.
Okay, today I have someannouncements to make for
MovieRx.
First, this is the last timeI'm going to publish this year
why, you may ask.

(01:08):
Well, let me tell you the storyof starting MovieRx.
As you may have heard not likeI've mentioned it a few times,
but I've been trying to start apodcast for over a decade and
with the help of a friendactually the very first guest on
my podcast Chef he said okay,we're going to start recording
something next Sunday and you'regoing to get something

(01:28):
published.
I said okay, and since then Ihave pretty much been flying by
the seat of my pants for thelast 30, some episodes and I
need to take a moment to regroup.
Now why am I doing this inNovember and December?
First, producer Jen and I aregetting married, so I'm going to
take some time off for that.
Second, listenership falls off.

(01:50):
You know, I've talked to someother podcasters and things like
that.
I mean it's understandableduring the holiday months that
people may not be quite soinclined to download podcasts.
They might be a little bit morefocused on their own families.
So now, that's not to say thatI might not, you know jump in

(02:17):
every now and again withsomething you know whether it's
just a reel or something likethat, maybe even a special
surprise Christmas episode orsomething like that.
But my plan is to not publishin November and December.
The plan moving forward is tostart back up in January and

(02:38):
remaining a weekly podcast forseason two.
I'm also thinking potentiallyabout moving into video on
YouTube and maybe even Spotify,but we'll see about that as it
gets a little bit closer.
Anyway, enough about me, let'stalk about you, sort of.
Anyway, let's talk about myguest hosts for season one.

(02:58):
I couldn't have done any ofthis without any of my guest
hosts.
So thank all of you very muchfor uh, for giving me some of
your time to uh to record, andI'm gonna play a, a tribute reel
for you all now.
Welcome, chef.
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
welcome, jamie thank you, I'm excited to be here
welcome chef hey, how's it goingwelcome jen.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Thanks on the show with me today I've got uh my my
producer and life mate, jenhello, jen, yeah, hi welcome
back, jamie hello, thanks forhaving me welcome terry.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Hello welcome jamie hello welcome back, jamie thank
you, I'm glad to be here, hellouh, welcome jen thanks joining
me today is the great andall-powerful Derek Masters.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Welcome, Derek.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
You're using those terms a little loosely there,
man.
Welcome, Jake Hi.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Thanks for having me Welcome, Jen.
Thanks.
Welcome, Terry.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Hi guys, Glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Welcome Chef.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Hey, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
My niece Hannah Say hi, hannah.
Hi and I also have my sister,her mom Jamie.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Hey, I'm here again.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Welcome back, Jen.
Beats.
And welcome Sam.
Hi.
Dr Ben, the one and thankfullythe only Derek.
Welcome, derek.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Yep, yes, thankfully, the only yeah.
I don't think the world wouldbe ready for any more of me.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Welcome Alexis.
Hello Welcome Chrissy.
Hello.
From the left or Midwest, notpolitically, but very literally
the left or Midwest.
I have again today, Derek.
Welcome, Derek.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
It's a lot of you both.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
My sister, my much older sister, jamie.
Welcome Jamie, slightly older.
Welcome Derek.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
It's a lot of people my sister, my much older sister,
Jamie welcome Jamie, slightlyolder.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Welcome Jamie.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Hello Welcome.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Derek, hello Welcome, chef.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Hey, what's up?
How's it going?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, there it is, and thank you to all my Season 1
guests once again.
Next, I'm going to get up on mymic a little bit, and I'm going
to get up on my mic a littlebit, and I'm going to get up on
my mic here.
I'm going to tell you a littlesecret.
I'm not a real doctor.
I know it's so weird, right?
It's not like I've spent alittle bit of time each episode

(05:17):
making fun of myself for notbeing a real doctor, but, in
case you hadn't caught the drift, I am not really a doctor,
honestly, and I think there'sonly so much you can do with the
letters P, h and M, d, um, so,uh, so yeah, we're we're.
We're going to review that.
Now, though, I am your host, drBenjamin, and I am a doctor in

(05:40):
the same way that Dr Pepper is adoctor, and I'm a doctor in the
same way that Dr Pepper is adoctor and I am a doctor in the
same way that Dr Phil is adoctor, which is to say, not at
all.
I am a doctor in the same waythat Dr Tony on Yo Gabba Gabba
was a doctor.
I am your host, dr Benjamin, md.
No, the MD does not meanmedical doctor?
It means movie dude, drBenjamin PHD.

(06:04):
If you ask my producer what thePhD is for, she would say
pretty huge dork.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
Accurate.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Dr Benjamin PhD.
What does the PhD mean?
Uh, potentially helpful dude.
I am your host, dr Benjamin MD.
What does the MD stand for?
I'll let my guest give it awhack today.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Oh, that's easy, Major dork.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Of course, dr Benjamin PhD.
What does the PhD stand forPosers?
Ha Dude, I am a doctor in thesame way that Dr Crumble is a
doctor.
Not really, I don't have adegree, but I'd make a horrible
doctor.
I am a doctor in the same waythat Doc Ock is a doctor Only in

(06:50):
fiction.
I am your host, dr Benjamin UhMD.
What does the MD stand for today?
I'm just going to go with moviedoctor.
I am a doctor in the same waythat Dr Robert and Dr Geary are
doctors.
I'm a doctor.
Way out there, man.

(07:12):
Metadonte?
I am your host, dr Benjamin PhD.
What does the PhD stand for?
Promoting heartfeltdistractions?
Putting haters down?
A doctor in the same way as DrFeelgood.

(07:33):
I help make you feel, alright,dr Benjamin PhD.
Parenting's hard dude?
I'm glad.
I'm glad I got a little bit oflife out of that.
Wait, that's all I'm asking for.

(07:58):
That would be my PhD, right?
Yeah, pretty much, that's okay,people, people are hard dude.
That works.
Please have decency.
Protecting Heaven's Doors, jk.

(08:19):
I don't do that, that's not myjob.
Dr Benjamin MD.
Murder Defender, but not in themurder in the way that you
think.
Or do you think Crow Crowmurder.
It's like a community defender.
Dr Benjamin PhD.
What does the PhD stand forToday?

(08:41):
It's a message Prevent hate anddiscrimination.
Um moving doctor?
I don't know the doctor in thesame way as Dr Connors is a
doctor, a little scaly andprickly at times, but deep down
I love science.

(09:02):
Praising hackers?
Dudes, I'm a doctor in the sameway as Dr Laura.
I can scream at you all day,but in the end I'm still not a
psychologist.
Dr Benjamin DSW.
What does the DSW stand for?
Doing some work?
Yeah, I'm thinking that'spretty much the.

(09:24):
I mean, there's really not awhole lot.
You're going to do with a lotof that stuff.
So that may be an endingtradition, unless, you know,
unless I just kind of get a wildhair or something.
But just know if there are anydoctors listening.
I'm not trying to cheapen whatyou do, it's just a persona Like
Dr Dre.
Now, the part you've all beenwaiting for We've reached the

(09:53):
best of season one rollback,okay, so I'm gonna press the
button, so what I was trying tosay is, I was I was actually
agreeing with you with theRaphael thing in that, like that
.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
That kind of like I didn't ask to be born, kind of
angsty kind of attitude Right,you know it's.
It's something that people canrelate to a lot more that not
everybody's going to be thislike, yeah, I'm growing up in
the sewer, this is great, mylife is awesome.
You know, he's kind of likescrew this place, dude.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
You're not the first person, there are a lot of other
people who have told me that.
You know, probably theirbiggest influence in Turtles was
Raphael and his interactions.
One of his scenes alone withSplinter was kind, what had kind
of changed me a little bit.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
No, when he was trying to indoctrinate him, or.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, when, when, when I was younger, I struggled a lot
with with anger, and there wasa time when, when in the movie,
when Raphael came home justafter meeting casey jones, and
you know he was angry because helost a sigh and then he got his

(11:12):
, then he got his butt kicked byby casey jones and then he
couldn't find him to beat him up, and you know, and then he gets
hit by himself in a taxi caband all of that stuff and he
gets home and splinter iswaiting up for him.
everybody else is asleep rightbut splinter is sitting, you
know, sitting in his chairwaiting for him to get home, and
you know, and he makes him sitdown to have a talk with him and

(11:36):
I, I can't, even, I can't eventell you what the situation was.
Uh, you know that that I hadjust recently gone through, when
I was watching this movie, at atime that it made a big
difference, um, but, but I, I, Iwas in a place where my anger
had lost me something and it, it, it had lost me something very,

(12:01):
uh, very big.
It doesn't seem like it now,cause, like I'm sitting here
going well, I don't evenremember what, what this was all
about, but, uh, but I justhappened to be watching Ninja
Turtles, uh, around this time,and when Splinter had him sit

(12:22):
down, um, and when Splinter hadhim sit down, you know, I can
almost quote it verbatim.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I don't know if you want me to try doing the voice,
or, if you want me to just quoteit Because you manage your show
.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I don't know about my voice, acting skills.
But he said you know, I'vetried to curb your anger, but
more remains.
Anger clouds the mind and whenyou turn it inward, it's an
unconquerable enemy.
And you are unique because youchoose to face it alone.

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But as you face it, don'tforget them and don't forget me.
And he wasn't telling him thathe had to change.
He wasn't telling him that hecouldn't do it alone.
He wasn't doing any of that.
He was just telling him hey,you don't have to Like I get
that you struggle with some fireinside of you, but you don't

(13:23):
have to fight like I get thatyou, I get that you struggle
with some, with some fire insideof you, but you don't have to
fight it yourself and you don'thave to be alone when you do.
We're here for you when youneed us.
So you know like and and youknow like I said I, I had some,
I had some pretty fiery angerissues and after that, like I

(13:47):
mean, I still struggle with alittle bit of anger sometimes
every now and again.
But I mean I am telling youright now that like it takes
some serious, serious injusticeto get me to a point where I'm
pissed off when you're like youlose, to lose control.

(14:08):
I mean I've, I think I've, Ithink I've done it twice in the
last five years, um, but it's, Imean it takes a seriously large
pile of bullshit, but becauseof, because of that moment, it
it, it.
It caused me to stop and thinkto myself you know what, what

(14:31):
resources around me am I notusing?
You know my family, my friends,who, who are the people that I
have around me that can help me.
You know, uh, you know they canhelp me channel this anger
right.
That's a, that's a big.
Utilize it in a different way.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
What I found interesting is when you, when
you talked about anger that wayit's.
It's interesting that that was,you know, one of the one of the
themes because, looking back onit, most movies that deal with
emotions in that way have asimilar thing about anger

(15:11):
literally consuming, like I meanstar wars is a great example of
that because, you know, darthvader was like trying to get
them to harness their anger anduse it and like the dark side's
almost powered not literally,but you know the dark side's
almost powered by anger, youknow fear leads to anger, anger
leads to hate.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Hate leads to suffering.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
It's a great quote.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Information behind this movie it was.
It was released in 1999.
The screenplay was written byChuck Palahniuk and jim wools.
Chuck palahniuk is the authorof the of the book that this
movie is based on.
Uh, this movie is directed bydavid fincher, who apparently is

(16:02):
just absolutely in love withBrad Pitt because he also
directed seven and curious caseof Benjamin button.
Um this movie.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
I didn't know that, what I didn't know, that he
directed seven.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah it's.
I mean, yeah, the, the, theguys actually got a lot, of, a
lot of good movies under hisbelt.
Uh, were just the two that Ipicked because they both have
Brad Pitt in them, who is one ofthe stars.
Yeah, I'm actually kind of abigger fan of Edward Norton.

(16:38):
Well, me too.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
But Brad Pitt's cool, well, me too.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
But Brad Pitt's cool, brad Pitt's cool, not so much
for his new beard thing.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Is he still doing the beard thing, like the scraggly
beard that looks like a wet dog?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I haven't seen him in so long in anything really
relevant recently.
Of course, I'm also not in thestuff.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm not in that stuff, butI don't.
I don't remember seeing him inthe last five or six years.
So yeah, I don't know.
He's uh, he's yodeling on arooftop somewhere with jimmy
fallon, what it's.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Look it up I have to jimmy fallon and yodeling.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, it's, they have a whole conversation.
It was back when world war zcame out, so it's not, it's not
fresh, uh.
So I mean, just just keep thatin mind.
Um well, apparently I'm not realfresh either yeah, well, I mean
you, you're, uh, you're not ona movie podcast, so like I mean

(17:41):
that's supposed to be my thing,uh, so that's true, like I'm I'm
the one that's that's kind offallen behind here.
Um, yeah, but yeah, so thismovie has it's kind of a kind of
a heavy, heavy hitting casthere, you know, I mean starting
with brad pitt and edward nortonand then tossing in elena

(18:03):
bonham carter, uh, and then, ifthat wasn't enough, meatloaf.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
I know.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Meatloaf is in this movie.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
With Bob.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I don't know how you didn't watch this movie before I
brought it to you, becauseMeatloaf is in this movie, jamie
.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Well, yeah, I know, I didn't know Meatloaf was in the
movie until you made me watchit, though.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
So right, um, this, uh something, something that's
kind of fun about this movie,though, uh, it is nominated.
It has been nominated for oneoscar, and uh still blows my
mind you.
You wouldn't guess what it wasfor because, like with, with a

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movie like this and with thekind of cult following that it
has, you would.
You would assume that it wouldbe, you know, a pretty
incredible portrayal of acharacter from either, you know,
edward norton or brad pitt butit has nothing to do with any of
that.
Like it it's.
It was a.
It was a best effects in soundeffects editing.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
And it blows my mind.
It blows my mind because,literally, I would never look at
this as some sort of specialeffects mark.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Of course, I don't know.
I don't know how familiar youare with any of Chuck Palahniuk
stories, um, but any of his, anyof his books that get turned
into movies, tend to be, uh,hard received by by a lot of
critics and things like that, umand and it's.

(19:41):
It is because he just has thatvery distinctive writing style
that is very present in FightClub, in this movie especially.
This movie was very close tothe book.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
You know, I didn't know it was a book until we
started talking about this, so Ihad no idea.
Now I want to go read the bookbecause I'm curious.
You know, I'm curious.
Normally the book is betterthan the movie.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Right, be prepared for a ride.
Like it can be kind of adifficult book to read, like you
sometimes have to forceyourself to put it down because
you want to keep reading, but atthe same time you feel like
you're being bludgeoned withintellectual epiphanies, like

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you have to take it in and hedoesn't give you an opportunity
to do that before he continueswith his story.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
It's just, it's amazing I guess I can't say that
I'm surprised, because that'skind of how the movie is.
You know what I mean?
I mean I've watched this movienow I don't even know how many
times and I swear, every time Iwatch it I get something else
out of it.
You know what I mean?
Like I grab just a little bitmore.
So I'm sure I'll have to reallypay attention to the book as I
read that.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
It reminds me of a quote that my dad used to say
when I was a kid, and that wasthat was never accept mediocrity
as a standard of excellenceBecause of that standard of
excellence.
I think that's where a lot ofhis passion came out.
It didn't really even haveanything to do with how the food

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tasted, as much as how it wasprepared, and it didn't have as
much to do about being preparedas much as how it was being
stored, and it didn't have asmuch to do about how it was
being stored as much as it didwhere it was coming from you
know, and it like everythingbefore, it was more important,

(21:51):
which meant that every, everylevel of producing food for
somebody to eat there wassomething that he expected from
every level of that right and uhand, and I think that that was
a reflection of himself.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
If I could put a word on it, um, that whole process
and all of that stuff.
The word that comes to mind isreverence having reverence for
the food, for the processes, theprocedures, and like honoring
and respecting those because ofthe.
And like honoring andrespecting those because of the,

(22:31):
the putting putting emotionsonto a plate, because I've
always said that the cooking alot of time, because, if you
think about it, like, anybodycan make a baked potato, a
hamburger or whatever.
Like most people can cook a lotof things at home.
Like, maybe they can't, maybethey can't make it look as
pretty, but usually people cancook a lot of things at home.
Maybe they can't make it lookas pretty, but usually people
can throw something together andit's good.

(22:52):
But how somebody feels, you know, like Heather's mom made
meatball subs the other day andit was prepackaged sauce, frozen
meatballs and bread cheese.
You know it was.
It was like it was pre-packagedsauce, frozen meatballs and and
bread cheese.
You know was cooked in the ovenand it meant a lot because that

(23:13):
was.
You know that there was effortput into it and that there was
um, you know, normally I'm theone that is cooking dinner, so
it was like a relief to not haveto do it and like a lot of what
I felt, it's like, yeah, thefood was good too, but there was
.
There's whenever we sit down toeat somebody else's food

(23:35):
especially, there's kind of thislike underlying communication
that takes place.
And I think was, this is myfidget stick.
I've just been like fidgetingmy ADHD to keep me focused.
But they they.
Uh, you know he would gosomewhere and he's eating.

(23:58):
He.
You get the sense that he's notjust eating a piece of chicken
you know he's taking in, likewhere he was at before this, you
know the the history of of thedish and like all of the
different stuff that comes withit.
And I think that's thedifference between food that's
truly good and actually standsout and when you start getting

(24:19):
into pretentious becausepretentious, I feel, is when you
try to create something in away that isn't authentic, trying
to to over complicate things,using too many spices, you know,
getting way too fancy with it.

(24:40):
It's like, well, who are you?
You know, right, like there's.
There's a in art class.
I uh, I actually wasn't too badin art class.
There were artists that theirdrawings weren't exactly.
I'll just say they weren'tmonet.
You know, like I wasn't either,but I was better.

(25:03):
The deal is that they coulddraw stick figures and as long
as they poured their heart andsoul into those stick figures,
that meant more to somebody.
That meant more than somebodythat made this elaborate
painting that they don't evencare about.
You know, I guess that's whatI'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Not only does it show you that it's important the
kind of people that you surroundyourself with, but it's also
like, sometimes, those, thosepeople that you do bring into
your life, that you keep aroundyou to make you better.
Sometimes they're, they're notexpected.
These two were two people thatwere built to hate each other,

(25:53):
you know, oh no, humans arehumans.
Love them, yeah, but they, they, they were at odds like the
whole time.
He was just trying to deceiveher and and try to pull one past
her or whatever.
And then she wanted to just, youknow, to go find her mom, and
she would do that at his expenseif she needed to right um well
but all it, all it took was ashared experience, a few shared
experiences, very small ones,like I mean, because it didn't

(26:16):
take him very long to get aroundno um because it's slushiest
yeah because, because slushiest,you know, kicked into slushiest
, you know kicked into Bust aLime, yes.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
They made a grape escape.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I love how every time somebody says Bust a Lime,
whoever it is that says it, juststarts cracking up.
To me that's just a reallygreat little thing.
But I mean it really didn'ttake very long for them to start
figuring out a really greatlittle thing.
Um, but I mean they, it reallydidn't take very long for them
to start figuring out a reallybig thing, and I think I think
it's something that reallyeverybody can kind of look at
and work on Um and and that'sthat.

(26:56):
Like, there's all this talkabout inclusion and acceptance
and things like that, and a lotof people are are really
resistant to that for acceptanceand things like that, and a lot
of people are really resistantto that for whatever reason.
But when we look at thesedifferent interactions between
these two people that don't likeeach other, then we start to

(27:17):
see something that's reallyimportant and it's a key part of
that acceptance and inclusionthing, and that is figuring out
that, yeah, you have differences, but when you really observe
things, you start figuring outthat you have more in common
than you have differences.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
Well, and Tip kind of talks about that with the whole
.
You know it would help us notto hate you guys so much if you
actually started liking some ofthe things that we like right,
like with the music yes, um,because I mean the, the, the
whole, the whole thing with him.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
You know dancing in in his seat or whatever, and
then you know turning red andfreaking out because his body
temperature is too high orwhatever, and then he jumps out
of the car Like I don't reallyunderstand why that would be by
raising your body temperaturewould be such a big deal.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
But it was raising with embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, maybe uh forcing him into, uh into almost
having a number three, butdon't squeeze him, it might
still happen right, but yeah, Imean, it's just with all of
these things that they'restarting to finally figure out
are really not that different,like yeah, so boob music is

(28:39):
awful, you know?

Speaker 8 (28:42):
um it is just noise and and some people.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Some people could even say the same thing about
the music that they werelistening to when she changed it
back to the human channel.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
But I was jamming, I jam every time but like, but
among people, though that that Imean.
That's the thing is that somepeople are going to hate that
song.

Speaker 8 (29:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And some people are really going to love it.
But those two people the personthat hates the song and the
person that loves it are, ifthey spent enough time in one
room, they would find that theyhave more in common than they do
different.
The differences that we haveare something to be celebrated,
more than it is to you know.

(29:26):
Try to find common ground andmake that the basis of
everything.
Like you know, although I'msorry, I don't even I don't care
how much I start to like Boove.

Speaker 8 (29:40):
I am not listening to their music because it sucks
Well and like it's.
It's the same with us.
You know me.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I listen to just about anything and everything
under everything.

Speaker 8 (29:50):
Yes, yeah, my, my playlist would surprise quite a
few people, I'm sure, um, andsometimes I listen to music that
you're not a fan of and youwill listen, you will listen,
and we just kind of take turns.
I think you have to activelytry to not find common ground

(30:11):
with anyone else.
Like we are, we are people andwe may grow up different, live
differently, but I feel like itwould be hard to not find
something in common with anyone.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Right, and the cool thing with this is that, like I
mean, they obviously look pastit a little bit.
If our music sounded to oh, theway that his music sounds to me
, then like, then there's no waythat he would have been all you

(30:51):
know doing the head bobbing andthe in the leg tapping and all
of that stuff.
He wouldn't have gotten to thatpoint, um.
So so I think they took alittle bit of creativity and and
just like pushing that aside orwhatever.
But but ultimately I think thatthat was a really good message
there, that if we can find morein common with each other, that

(31:17):
I think that our differenceswill matter less.
I guess is kind of the way thatI want to put it.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
Not that, like you said, our differences should be
something to be celebrated.
It's OK to be different, it'sOK to be unique and like.
That's another thing.
He was not like any other move.
Right.
And people did not treat himwell.
But you realize towards,towards the end, like it is

(31:46):
something to be celebrated to bedifferent.
And just because you think it'sdifferent does not mean that
everyone does like right do youthink that there's like an
overarching like message to this?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
because I mean I didn't really feel a moral of
the story was made in this movie?
Of course I mean it doesn'treally seem to be with that.
You know that almost indiemillennial gen z movie type way,
the, the, the moral of thestory is not really a thing that
they like to do, because that'sjust too, you know, after

(32:26):
school special-ish.

Speaker 8 (32:28):
I mean I kind of picked up on one it was another
really good Alan quote that hesays all this love shit's
complicated and that's good,because if it's too simple
you've got no reason to try, andif you've got no reason to try
you don't.
And so many times like you getinto this mode in a relationship

(32:53):
where you're like, okay, well,you know, we're just together
and then you start doing yourown things, and which I mean is
good, do your own things, butyou still have to feed that
relationship and a lot of timespeople stop.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Right, and if we unpack that for a second, you
know, if it's too boring youdon't try.
How did that go again?

Speaker 8 (33:16):
If it's too simple, you've got no reason to try.
And if you've got no reason totry, you don't.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
and if you've got no reason to try, you don't.
If it's too simple, you've gotno reason to try.
Now, I mean I can kind ofunderstand that, like I mean,
how many couples have you knownin your life?
And I mean some people can evenlook at their parents the same
way, you know, and say they havea simple life.

(33:46):
They know everything about eachother.
You know their, their lives areso, uh, so connected that they
I mean they don't even have toask each other how they were at
work anymore.
All they have to do is see himwalk up to the house and they
know, you know, and and thingslike that, and when and when
life gets so predictable likethat, it could be so simple that

(34:07):
it's comfortable and it's veryeasy to just leave it that way.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Well, see and I take that as like you see those
relationships like once they getmarried or once they know that,
like that person's here to stay, they're like well, you know, I
don't have to take them out ondates anymore, I don't have to
listen to them when they talklike Right, I don't have to go

(34:43):
out of.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You don't have to, you know, um, because you just
know it's probably somethingthat's more common than anybody
really likes to admit.
But you know, I mean there's.
There's even been times whereyou know where you've had to,
where you've had to tell me hey,I feel like our life is getting
too routine.
You know, can, can we go on adate this week, or something

(35:06):
like that?
And you know, I mean that's,that's perfectly reasonable, you
know, like I mean, it's not youasshole, you're, you're not
doing well enough, you know.
But if it's so simple that thatyou, that you don't have to try
, you're not going to, but ifyou want to make sure that it's
that there's still something newand that that there's still

(35:32):
something new and that thatthere's still a reason to be, to
be interested.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
I don't even think it has to be like new, like when I
, when I tell you about all andwhen I tell you about that, it's
like okay, I need, I need someyou and me time.
Like engaging and like talking,and like it doesn't even have
to be new stuff.
It can just be like well, wetalk about movies, we talk about
music, we talk about all kindsof nerdy stuff, and like talking
and like it doesn't even haveto be new stuff.
It can just be like well, wetalk about movies, we talk about
music, we talk about all kindsof nerdy stuff, and like I love
those conversations.
Like we used to go on longdrives and do nothing but just

(35:55):
bs about whatever weird.
You know brainwave my mind keptjumping to high 15s high I was
very tired that night.
Thank, you and a very tired andsleep deprived jen means really
weird conversation yes, yes, itdoes, and really giggly jen yes,

(36:21):
uh, one would almost say, onewould almost think inebriated.
Oh yeah, it can definitely getthat way.
But I, I do agree, I think thatI think that that's something
that that I think Adam DriverAdam Driver pretty much nails it
on the head that it's just kindof another way of saying that

(36:43):
love isn't, love isn't enough,you know yeah, you have to put
in that effort and, honestly,like we kind of had a
conversation like this where, um, girls, I think, notice that
stuff more because, like growingup we are, we are like
bombarded with all these youknow, prince charming and the

(37:04):
guys has to do this, and we getunrealistic expectations right
and guys they don't.
I feel they don't get that asmuch.
So like we are on twocompletely different levels and
unless you can sit there and say, hey, I need this, like I need
time with you, like don't don'tblow it out of proportion, like

(37:25):
you don't need a horse and buggyand carriage or whatever, but
like just one-on-one time wherethere's like no phones, no tv,
like you guys are actuallytalking and engaging and
spending that quality timethere's a guy who, uh, the whole

(37:46):
world, everybody that he knowsand everybody in in the world
that he has ever seen are paidactors, and uh, and, and his
whole height, his whole life, isbeing filmed without his
knowledge.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
So, or consent, or or without his consent, yeah,
cause he was, uh, he was born umsomebody who, who gave him up
at birth, um, and he was adoptedby a television studio to make,
uh, to make this TV show a 24hour a day, seven day a week TV

(38:23):
show.
This TV show a 24 hour a day,seven day a week TV show.
I mean, if I can tell you somereally interesting things uh
about, about this movie, one ofthem is that this movie has
actually been introduced into acollege curriculum.
They, they use it in ethicsclasses to talk about, you know,

(38:46):
ethics and media and stuff likethat.
So I mean that's kind of cool.

Speaker 8 (38:51):
Well, I mean to be fair.
There are some college classesthat I've heard about that are
like fun classes, like I justsaw some Facebook post about
there being like a college classthat you can take about Taylor
Swift's life.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Seriously.

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Seriously and I know that like long ago because I was
still like just getting out ofcollege was having I think it
was like a Harry Potter one if Iremember correctly, like a
harry potter one, if I remembercorrectly.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
So that feels a little bit more to me like
something that would make sense,as opposed to taylor swift.
I'm now, I'm not hating ontaylor swift I.
I want all of my listeners tounderstand that I don't have any
problems with taylor swift, butI mean, but really like a
college course to study TaylorSwift's life.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Yeah, that's weird.
I don't remember where it saidit was happening, but yeah,
taylor Swift classes.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I think we should have a college class to study
Keanu Reeves' life.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
That would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I think that would be far more interesting, and it
would include music too.
Did you know he plays bass?
I think you told me that onceinclude music too, did you know?

Speaker 8 (40:05):
he plays bass.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I think you told me that once yeah, yeah, like he
plays bass in a band.
I mean I don't know if I don'tknow if the band's any good.
I've never actually listened toit.
I think I might have to do that.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
But maybe he plays bass as well as he actually
shoots again maybe, maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Uh, I mean, he does look like he's got long fingers
yeah, that would help.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
You know that'd be, that'd be good when I watched
this I was like um, I don't knowit was.
It was captivating from theword go, like the.
The first five minutes of themovie had me roped in.
I didn't pull my eyes away fromit after that and it was there.

(40:48):
There was interesting things inthe way it was filmed.
There was interesting things inthe storyline.
There was interesting things inum, in the characters.
I, I just um, yeah, I was.
I was riveted from the word go.
I was also really exhausted atthe end.
I mean for a movie where itliterally is close-up shots of

(41:11):
all of like what two charactersthat you actually see.
Everybody else is on the phone.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Well, and that right, there is exactly why I had
gained so much respect for, forJake Gyllenhaal in this movie.
We'll take a moment for sometechnical movie making aspects
here.
So you, you ask any movie maker, director, anybody, you ask
them what an actor's moneymakeris, and they will, they will

(41:42):
tell you that it's, it's thisframe here, it's just right
around the face, it is thecloseup and and that's because
that is their, that is theirtheir greatest asset for drawing
emotion out of a scene and andfor being able to convey enough
emotion to to transfer thatemotion onto the viewers.
Now, with so much of this moviebeing in closeup, you're you're

(42:09):
spending a lot of timeconnecting with the character.
You're spending a lot of timereally focusing on how they feel
, what they're thinking and andall of their emotions.
And on top of that, it isextremely exhausting to be in
close-up for that much time.
Even short close-ups in infilming regular, regular movies

(42:30):
is is exhausting work.
A lot of people would wouldlook at something like that and
be like come on, what's what'sso exhausting about that?
You know, you're an actor, youjust you act, whether the,
whether the camera is 10 feetaway or you know whatever.
Well, when they're shooting acloseup, they don't have a long

(42:52):
lens on the camera, like I mean,it is a very short lens and
they have that camera less than10 inches from your face and and
it's right in your face.
And if you don't think thatthat is stressful, like I've got
an experiment for you to try.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
No, I don't need an experiment.
I mean COVID.
Service delivery in my workduring COVID was all on FaceTime
, it was all on Zoom and so itwas exhausting.
You could spend and I did oftenspend six hours a day on zoom
right, and at the end of the dayI had felt like I had ran a

(43:30):
marathon.
It was emotionally exhaustingto watch myself talk on zoom all
day long right, um, and yeah,and it's really no different
yeah yeah now.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Now for my listeners if, if you take your cell phone,
go hand it to your, to yourpartner, your kid, uh, your,
your friend, your coworker,whatever, take your cell phone,
put it in the highest definitionvideo possible and and hand
them the phone and tell them toput you in a closeup frame and

(44:02):
start recording.
Tell them to record a 15-secondvideo.
You are going to feel souncomfortable at the end of 5 to
10 seconds of having thiscamera right in your face
because it's almost oppressive.
And Jake Gyllenhaal did thatfor an entire movie.

(44:24):
He spent the vastest majorityof the time in close-up and it
didn't affect his character once, not once did I doubt that he
was an ostracized cop at a callcenter, like I mean, he held it
and he did a really great job.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Well and it really set a mood for the whole movie
too.
I mean, it was like thelighting was dark, like it was a
call center right, so veryshadowy, very dark.
There were a few people there,but you don't see them.
It was, you know, they wereblurred off in the background
unless they were in the sceneand that just didn't happen very
much.
And that close-up space and hisI don't know can we call it

(45:10):
moody and broody.
I mean he was clearly, as yougo into the movie you kind of
see that he's going through somethings and that didn't take
very long to figure out anyway.
So this whole, I mean the wholesetup was super, um, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I guess I, for lack of a better word, intimate like
oh yeah, you just really feltlike you were in the space
places where you shouldn't be,like you were listening in on
things that you shouldn't belistening to, you know right,
well, and and some of the someof the other really cool things
about this movie Antoine Fuqua,when he filmed this movie, it

(45:51):
was filmed during the pandemicand I don't know if you remember
, but a lot of the things thatthey were doing for movies and
stuff like that were put on holdbecause so many people are
required on set and things likethat.
Well, antoine Fuqua was, uh, hewas exposed um, just a few days

(46:14):
before filming, and this wasback when, when quarantine was
two weeks, like two full weeks.
Well, he couldn't, couldn't beon set, right.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
So those laws were also in place for social
distancing.
So you'll notice that at alltimes in this movie the pandemic
might have forced it into that,but it was super effective.
I mean, and it makes me wonderhow much the plan for the movie
changed.
Like, was there going to belive action scenes that weren't
in the movie?

(47:03):
You know stuff like that.
That's fascinating.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Right, and then it was filmed in 14 days.
So the entire time that it tookthem to film this movie,
antoine Fuqua was supposed to bequarantined, uh was supposed to

(47:28):
be quarantined, um, and so what?
He?
He ended up doing they, theyhave these buses, like these
vans in hollywood that you canrent, uh, you can direct movies
and stuff like that, uh, from,like, the parking lot.
And so he ended up, he ended upusing one of those like a swat
van kind of it's it's kind oflike SWAT direction van or
something, yeah, and and pleasetell me there's like 1-800

(47:49):
flowers pasted on the on theside of it.
No, no, I don't remember whatthey're called.
It's like spark van orsomething like that it's.
It's got some kitschy name, butum.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
I know, but to fit in with the theme I mean mean you
could just put you know Al'splumbing service on the side and
put the cones out and reallyfit with the theme of you know,
get the hell out of my facewhile I direct this movie.
Undercover, undercover copstuff.
I don't know, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
But he, but yeah, he got one of those bands and did
that, and then he was,apparently he liked it so much
that uh, ever since filming thismovie, uh he's had one of those
vans even without having toquarantine.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
so yeah, apparently, apparently it's effective is he
using that exclusively, or is heon set too?
Because that would I mean, thatwould make me kind of sad.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Well, I mean if it's in, if it's in the parking lot,
I'm sure he can go in when heneeds to, um, but yeah um but I
don't know, that's kind of weirdto me.
Yeah, as far as I'm concerned,if you're, if you're in a van
where you have access to all ofthe video that you've recorded
and that you've shot and you cansee multiple camera angles on

(49:05):
one side of the van, you can getthe idea of what you want to go
in, what order and stuff likethat.
But I mean again, that's allfilmmaking technique, that is
just.
It's good stuff.
As the movie goes, you start tosee that there are fewer actual
punks.
You know the people thatthey're partying with, partying

(49:26):
with.
You know it.
It started out that in thefirst party they showed that
Steve-O was walking around andand the only mod you know, the
modern mob guys.
Uh, the only mod that you hadseen at the party was that one
kid that was kind of a.
There was kind of an ambassador, the ambassador yeah, that one
kid that was kind of a.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
there was kind of an ambassador, the ambassador.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, I was just going to say, you know he's the
only one.
But then, but then, as themovie goes, you start seeing
more mods and and you know moreof the uh, the, the posers and
all of that I mean you.
You see more of those othergroups about.
The only one that you don't seeare are the rednecks.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
You know the yeah, the cowboy kids but they show up
at that one scene and you know,break up the party, you get
their revenge yeah, but I mean,that's just fun I mean, I think,
that's probably one of myfavorite parts of the punk
culture is that fighting.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Fighting is is a necessity because it's yeah it's
necessary for having fun.
Um, and I mean I I can't reallysay that I relate, because I'll
tell you what I I have beenpunched before and I didn't like
it, so I would make, I wouldmake a shitty punk, yeah, but um

(50:41):
, but I mean it is, it is just areally fun idea.
Like, did you ever?
Did you ever friend fight?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Oh, all the time.
Yeah, I had.
I had four brothers, so yeah,you had four brothers.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
You did plenty of friend fighting.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Oh, yeah, well, and some not so friendly, but yeah,
plenty of fighting.
Growing up aspect of it wasreally energizing to me.
It was like that, the I, I feellike uh, watching it back as an
adult, it's uh, it hits alittle bit differently because
the violence you're so energizedby, it is so much fun.

(51:14):
But you look at it now andyou're just like god that that
would hurt right, no, I'm thatand I'm too old like, yeah, well
, forget that.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
The violent stuff, I don't know I think is fun.
I like violent movies.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Well, yeah, yeah it's .
It's not that the violence isnecessarily good or anything,
but it is so much fun to watchyeah.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
That's and and it's.
It adds something, oh for sure.
And it is part of that culture,you know.
Yeah, if fighting on onmultiple levels, I mean
physically fighting with thepeople around you that you don't
like, is I mean or you knowthat don't like you, I guess
both apply, um, but alsofighting against the system,

(51:56):
fighting against the you know,the government, obviously the
rednecks, fighting againstexpectations and and things like
that and and that kind ofbrings in the, the, the point of
interest that you had put on umthe, the finding oneself aspect
.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yeah, I really feel like um, um, steve-o is
struggling with that this wholemovie through, I mean, and and
you kind of get this uhflashback closer to the end of
the movie um, where it shows uhsteve-o and and uh heroine bob
as kids and you find out thatthat steve-o was always the
straight-laced one he was.
He was a nerd.
He was, just, you know, in thebasement playing dungeons and

(52:33):
dragons, and bob was the onethat that brought him into into,
uh, the punk scene, you know,and uh really woke it up inside
of him.
But it wasn't him that was.
That was, you know, pushingtowards the punk.
He just wanted friends to fitin.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
He just, you know, he was trying to find out who he
was kind of the cool thing withthe whole, you know, spending so
much time throughout the moviefinding himself, is that he, I,
I don't think he actually findshimself until the end.
I mean, I mean, I guess in someyou know warm and fuzzy way, I
guess that's kind of true forall of us.
But except for the fact thatmost of us learn, especially,

(53:13):
like you know, I turned, Iturned 40, you know, a couple of
weeks ago.
So I started to figure out thatI, I never stopped finding
myself, you know, like Icontinue to find new things
about myself every year, and andso that I mean and and I think
that that's something thatSteve-O was kind of doing, was

(53:34):
it?
It felt like he was trying tofind the who he's going to be
forever, and that's, that'simpossible.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, and I think so many of us struggle
with that, especially when we'reyounger.
We get this idea that we'resupposed to set up our entire
lives.
You're supposed to have a planand get to it.
You know, you graduate highschool, you go to college, you
get a job, you I mean they wantyou to write your whole life out
and and know who you are beforeyou even graduate high school.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Like your brain isn't done developing, then Like so
how can you, how can youhonestly?

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I mean, if he went into college immediately after
graduating, he's his brain maynot even be developed right now.
I mean I think they said it'slike twenty five or twenty six
by the time your, your brain, isfully developed.
That was one of my.
One of my teachers in highschool always recommended that
we not get married until we'reat least twenty five, so that
your brain is fully developedand you're making a proper

(54:42):
decision.
You know my my dad.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
My dad always called it growing a brain, you know
he'd say you know, like, um,like he'd find something like
after I moved out or whatever,and he'd give it to my sister
and be like here you hold on tothis for your brother until he
grows a brain, you know, and andit't.
It wasn't because my dad, well,my dad, my dad's just kind of

(55:05):
badass, um, but he, he like Imean he wasn't literally saying
that, you know, I was too stupidto have those nice things, but
you know, but I mean there,there, there comes a a level of
maturity with age that it isimpossible before that point
with age, that that isimpossible before that point.

(55:28):
But I mean you can, you candefinitely get that feeling off
of off of Susanna in this isthat is, that she, just she, she
has a an aversion to, to whatseems to be expected of her, and
I I can.
I can go along with with.
You know her desire for thingsto be different.
I mean she wants to write.

(55:49):
What's so wrong about that?

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Well, but that was in a time where we didn't
encourage our kids to chasetheir dreams, right.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Right.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
We encouraged our kids to do what they're supposed
to do.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Well, I mean, we still kind of do that today
they're supposed to do.
And well, I mean, we still kindof do that today, you know I
mean, yeah, go to college, youknow, get a career and get
married, have kids.
White picket fence crap.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
You know, I mean it's just all the same.
All the same thing.
Just your white picket fencecan be brown if you want it's
fine, yeah, that's what'schanged.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
is that now we can have colors in our fence Right?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
right 2.5 or 1.3 kids .
It's fine, your choice.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Right, I mean and that seems to be very clearly
kind of Susanna's role in this.
But what about Lisa?
Angelina Jolie.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Oh, Lisa.
Well, Lisa's the bad guy in themovie, right?
I mean, I guess if I were tolook at the cast of characters,
Lisa's the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, I mean, that's what she tells Susanna at the
end of the movie.
I'm here to be your villain.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Well, that's true, that's true.
She was very clear, I thinkwhat and this would have to be a
whole nother movie.
But I think what's sad is thatit's like there's no reason for
Lisa, there's no reason for whyshe is the way she is.
Yeah, she's just there.
Yeah, yeah, and she's alwaysbeen there and she always will

(57:15):
be there.
Like you definitely get thesense that this is, this is it
for her, this is it for her.
And that to me is kind of sadbecause I think in some ways
that can totally perpetuate likestigma and misunderstandings
about mental health and thingslike that.
But but maybe that's notimportant because I guess the
rest of the movie is kind of allabout busting those up a little

(57:38):
bit.
So Right, but there's a definitedistinction between the two of
them.
Well, and even I, I mean evenyou look at their character, you
know we have.
We have suzanna, who has dark,short hair, very fair skin, and
then you have lisa, who hasblonde hair and blue eyes.
Like you can even see the waythat they they style them in the

(58:01):
movie.
It's almost like completeopposites in some ways.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah.
So, there's another characterthat I have on the list here,
that is, she isn't clearly apart of of the uh, of the big
characters, the ones that yousee the most of and all of that
stuff.
She's not clearly in that group, but she is clearly important,
like once you start getting intothe spoiler range of the movie.

(58:28):
I'm not sure how many peoplehaven't seen this movie, like I
hadn't, but go watch it, it's soworth it but uh, but yeah, I
mean daisy uh, britney murphyfirst of all, I love britney.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
I love every britney murphy, every Murphy, every
Britney Murphy I've ever seen.
I love Britney Murphy.
Okay, I just do.
I love her.
I feel like she my favorite.
My favorite role that she wasin was in Clueless.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
You remember that yeah, yeah, I remember Clueless.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
I'm pretty sure it was Clueless, right not?
Yeah because Clueless and MeanGirls, sometimes those like meld
for me yeah, no, she was inclueless oh, I just loved her
character in clueless I don'tknow, because it felt like this
is my high school tribe righthere, so I can compare her to
some of my some of my cohorts inhigh school yeah, well, and I

(59:23):
mean she was, I mean in in thismovie she was.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
she was kind of a background character for the
majority of it, except that themajority of her importance felt
like it came from just beforeshe left the facility and like I
mean, as she was leaving thefacility kind of thing, then
when she was gone is when shebecame more important.
I don't know, it's kind ofweird how that worked.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Well, and I think her leaving kind of tripped some
issues for some of them too,because they all knew, they all
knew she wasn't any better.
They knew that not enough hadchanged for her, but here she
was, getting getting out andgetting to go live her life,
yeah.
So yeah, it wasn't a part a lotof the stuff though, because
she kind of kept to herselfthroughout even the whole movie,

(01:00:10):
like she just that was part of.
I think that was part of herstruggles with her mental health
, was isolating and stuff likethat.
So and then, uh, the lastcharacter I have on here is, uh,
my favorite, valerie yes,valerie, well and literally, you
know, you know the character isgoing to have some impact when

(01:00:31):
it's played by whoopi goldberg,right like this is the character
that has lessons to teach us Ithink I think the the least, I
think the least impactfulcharacter that she's ever played
was Little Rascals.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Oh I didn't even know .
She was simply the mom you knowlike.
Do you remember the gimmickthat came with that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
I didn't even remember she was in that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
All it was literally all it was, was one of the kids
was like, look, my mom is here,and then the other one turns and
looks at him and goes whoopee,and then it pans over.
Yeah, and I I'm pretty surethat was the extent of her, of
her time in that movie.
I don't, I mean, it's been along time since I've seen little

(01:01:15):
rascals, but but yeah so, yeah,that's, that was the gimmick,
yeah that's funny but yeah, val,but yeah, valerie, she, I mean
she, she was pretty big, prettymuch right from the beginning.
As soon as she got to South bell, you know, like I mean it was
she she walked up the steps withher.
When it went right into the,into the ward, I mean, and she

(01:01:39):
didn't really seem to be, youknow, she wasn't sugarcoating
anything and she was being realabout everything from the
beginning.
And I feel like from thebeginning, like from her first
interactions with Susanna, itwas almost like she knew that
she wasn't a person that wasgoing to be there forever, maybe

(01:02:01):
more like a mental healthtriage kind of thing, you know,
just get her stable and, and youknow, send her back out, kind
of thing.
Uh, I mean, it ended up takinga lot longer than I think
anybody anticipated, but butit's almost like Valerie knew I
don't have to, I don't have tobe too stuffy with this one
because, like, because she'sshe's more, she's more like me,

(01:02:21):
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Well, and I think the piece that I appreciated, one
of the things that this moviereally did for me was give me a
real good sense of the historyand the progression in mental
health treatment and facilitiesand things like that.
And what I loved about this isit's like whoopee was was the
lighthouse in the port right.

(01:02:44):
Yeah.
All of these terrible thingsthat happened in that time in
mental health treatment andtreatment facilities.
She went beyond all of that andshe treated them like people
and she didn't treat them as herdiagnosis and so I appreciated
that about her because it's likeyou could see the good things

(01:03:06):
that were coming.
But I've taken a couple ofdifferent like my training for
my job for peer support.
One of the pieces in that wasto learn about the progression
of mental health treatment anddiagnosis and things like that
throughout the history of humanservices.
And then I took a humanservices class and we kind of

(01:03:28):
learned.
I learned something likesimilar things but from a
different viewpoint.
And it amazes me even to lookback in the last I don't know 10
or 15 years to see the changesthat they've made.
And some of those changes I wasreally like against.
Do you know what I mean?
This is in a time where youhave an issue, we're going to

(01:03:51):
put you in a facility and lockthe door and we had a huge
movement in our area about likecommunity-based treatment,
things like that, and they wereclosing all the hospitals and I
was thinking that's terrible,that's terrible.
Where do these people go whenthey need that?
And the whole idea was is thatmaybe they don't need that,
maybe that's not the best way totreat people?

(01:04:12):
But I didn't really understandthat and I feel like watching
this again has it kind ofbrought some of that stuff back
for me to say, okay, well, looklook at how it is today and how
it was back then and maybe thatmaybe that movement was the best
way.
I'm not going to say maybe,because I do feel like we have
much more effective services andplaces for people to get help

(01:04:32):
when they need it.
So so that was kind of aninteresting side of this was to
see the history, you know, toreally see an action and what
that must have looked like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
A lot of that is where the medicine is.
You know, it's the sedimentthat's, that's in in the liquid
and not at the bottom of theglass, like dad always told us.
It's it's the, it's the stuffthat makes you better.
Now I know that this scenespecifically talked to you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Tell me about that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Well, miles is every kid and miles is miles is my kid
.
Tell me about that.
Well, miles is every kid andMiles is Miles is my kid, miles
is my son and I can't tell youhow many times that that was the
conversation.
And you know, I think, as hewas, especially in this stage
and just given, given our familydynamic you know my nuclear me

(01:05:26):
and my kids dynamic and how myfamily came together, both of my
kids, I think, had to gothrough this space where they
had to figure out who they'regoing to be.
You know they have biologicalfamily and then they have our
adopted family and trying tofigure out, like you know, what

(01:05:48):
does this mean and where do Icome from and what does that
mean.
And, and you know, I saw, I sawboth of my kids struggle in
that and I think, for for bothof them and I, you know, I think
I think Miles, uh, miles hitsclose to home because Miles not

(01:06:09):
just reminds me of my son butalso looks like my son and acts
like my son, and you know all ofthat.
It was just like, um, yes, allthe one liner and he's super
creative and he loves his musicand you know all of that stuff.
Um, you know, and, and thatthat speech that that jefferson

(01:06:32):
gave at the door was so oftenthe same thing that I told that
I told my kid on a regular basis.
You know, you are, you are madefor great things and you have
something special and, you know,just wanting so badly for him

(01:06:53):
to be able to harness that anddo amazing things with it, like
he is so more than capable ofdoing.
And how scared I was that itmight not turn out that way.
You know that I wasn't, and notbecause of him, but because I
wasn't doing it right.
You know that I wasn't doingenough to to support him and do

(01:07:14):
that, uh, to do that, and so, um, yeah, I not gonna, I'm not
gonna lie.
Um, I got to see that scenetwice as I was prepping for this
, maybe even three times as Iwas prepping for this podcast,
and I ugly cried the first timebecause I'm just like, oh, you
know, so it was.

(01:07:37):
I think it almost validated,validated for me and I'll tell
you what that shift, that shiftin parenting, was so hard.
It was hard to recognize that Ineeded that, that I needed to
do that shifting, but alsoseeing my kids shift and change
into, you know, mini emergingadults was really hard for me

(01:08:02):
because, oh man, I just becauseit it signifies the last end of
the track, right, like that tailend of where I have influence
and support and the ability toto, uh, my ability to guide was
coming to an end, you know Right, so yeah, Thank you, that's uh,

(01:08:24):
that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Thank you, that's uh, that's awesome.
Now for for me.
I had a little bit of a notquite, not quite so deep
connection for me, um, but uh, Imean it.
It.
It did kind of remind me of aconversation that that dad and I
didn't have, um okay, what?

(01:08:52):
Okay, so now you're gettingpunchy like spider-man, okay.
So so the a lot, of, a lot ofwhat, what was in this
conversation.
It's stuff that kind of camethrough for for dad and I in in
a different way.
We we didn't actually have theconversation though, like it was
just it was just one of thosethings that, like we just knew,

(01:09:12):
we just knew that that thingshad changed.
We were just going to accepteach other for for what we, what
we knew each other to be, andthat it was okay, like, and I
mean in that that gives a wholedifferent uh, look on the
expectations thing and all ofthat.
Like you know, dad and I buttheads a lot back then you know,
with the expectation.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I mean it, it was, except butted sounds weird, I
don't know, I don't like it.
But but yeah, we did.
We did butt heads quite a biton on expectations and things
like that, and and again wedidn't really have a
conversation but we just knew Iwas who, I was going to be, and

(01:09:55):
he, he learned that acceptingthat was important and I knew
that, uh, that he was the personthat he always had been and
that that I had to respect that.
It wasn't easy for him tochange.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Yeah, yeah Well, and you've kind of even pointed out
to me I had never don't get mewrong, I saw that relationship a
tiny bit in this, but I guess Ihad never really sat back and
thought, huh, I bet, I bet dadhad to go through some of that
too.
You know like oh yeah.

(01:10:30):
Cause there was I mean, therereally was a space where I had
to let go and understand thatyou know, I, I cannot control
everything that's going tohappen to my kids, and I have to
accept that they're going tomake choices, they're going to
have opinions, they're going toum, they're going to move in
directions that I don't get acontrol or have a say in, and I

(01:10:53):
have to be okay with thatbecause the relationship is more
important than you know, those,those decisions.
So I guess I never, in thisinstance, I never thought about
our parents having to do that atsome point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Yeah, um, it was quite confrontational to me, uh,
in that way.
I mean all that stuff was inthe back, like it was well
before I saw this movie and allof that stuff, but it was still
it.
It was still something that itthat was able to bring it to uh,
to the now and make me go God.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
I really did put dad through a whole lot of shit that
conversation with dad onnumerous occasions Like I am so
sorry for every stupid dumbthing I ever said and did.

(01:11:51):
I was an idiot and now I'm anadult and I'm sorry, dad, I'm
sorry you were right and I waswrong.
And I can tell you ironicallyand I don't know how this
happened so fast, but recentlyone of my kiddos came to me and
said oh, mom, that was a reallydumb thing that I did.
You were right.
And again I got this tinylittle insight of what it must

(01:12:16):
have been like for dad when Itold him that the first time
that day about you know all thethings at college time that I
did against what he said, and itbroke my heart a little bit to
hear her say that Right Now thatI just doubted which kid it was
.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
But especially, especially when you're trying to
give them, especially whenyou're trying to avoid the.
I told you so.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Oh yeah, Cause that wasn't at all Like.
I never want the.
I told you so.

Speaker 12 (01:12:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
But it's like oh, look at all the heart, heartache
that you've been through andthat was what I was trying to
help you avoid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
You know what I mean like yeah it, just it kind of
yeah, it kind of hurts my heartso the leap of faith that is,
there is a a movement of people,of filmmakers and, um, in
special effects, people and andthings like that that are trying
to, that are trying to get itofficially named the greatest

(01:13:13):
shot in history.
It's not because of the actualshot itself as much as it is, uh
, all of the emotion and theplanning and and the story that
leads up to it, and and how itcapitalizes everything, um, and

(01:13:35):
and I I for one, I agree Likeit's it's.
It's really amazing how theytied everything together in that
, in just that that short periodof time.
What's up?
Danger, you know it just, itall comes together.
It's really powerful, reallystrong, good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
And I'll tell you what I think, what the reason
that was so very impactful to mewas because it was like it took
every single person in hiscommunity he had a small
community right and it tookevery single one of them

(01:14:13):
speaking empowering messages tohim.
You know what I mean For him tobe able to take that leap of
faith, to step out and becomeSpider-Man and become Spider-Man
.
He needed every single one ofthose people to just help him
believe in himself.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
I mean kind of in the notes that I had taken for
myself was that the faith thatpowered that leap actually came
from Jefferson.
He put faith in Miles and hemay have before, like he may
have, felt that faith in his son, but it wasn't until he told
him and then it was like well,if I have my dad, then I have

(01:14:54):
everything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Yeah, yes, yes, you're going to make me ugly cry
again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
I don't know.
I really I really love thatscene and I do.
If there's a petition orsomething that somebody knows
about, let me know I will.
I will put my name on itmoveorg, let's do it right um
that whole.
You know that jefferson's faithin his son was what gave him the
strength to do it echoes againin the final battle with kingpin

(01:15:22):
, you know when he needed to getup just that one more time.
Yep, and he looks over and hesees his dad.
You know, get up Spider-Man.
That wasn't even his son, thathe knows of you know yeah.
But no, I mean, it's just goodstuff.
I don't know.
Now, the cast Holy cow, what acast.

(01:15:43):
The major three, you know, tomCruise, demi Moore and Kevin
Pollak as the attorneys.
The dream team, yeah.
And then you've got JackNicholson, of course, kiefer
Sutherland, noah Wiley, cubaGooding Jr and none other than
the Kevin Bacon.
With that kind of a cast, thisis an essential part of winning

(01:16:08):
six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
Well, if you don't know thismovie and it's cast, then you
are neglecting.
You are neglecting your abilityto win that game.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Yes, and for those of you who were born probably
before 1980, something sixdegrees of Kevin Bacon is a game
.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yeah, I, I'd actually thought about doing that a
couple of times on on thepodcast, just having people send
random, random people and thenI can do the I can do the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
six degrees to kevin bacon I think we should I think
you should make that like alittle sub, like a sub sect of
your, of your, your podcast,every, every single one.
If you can run it down to sixdegrees of Kevin Bacon, that's
like showing off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
No, I can.
I can do it Like I'm.
I was able to connect um JohnWayne what I was able to connect
John Wayne to Kevin Bacon.
Huh yeah, I'm not going toreveal my secrets.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Well, john Wayne to Kevin Bacon, huh yeah, I'm not
going to reveal my secrets.
Well, now that I see the wholelist of Rob Reiner movies, I
would have never guessed thiswas one of them, but I suppose
that would be another.
You could probably do SixDegrees to Rob Reiner too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Oh, probably.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, all roads to Rob Reinerlead through Tom Cruise, not Tom
Cruise Tom Hanks.
Yes, reiner lead through.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Tom Cruise, not Tom Cruise.
Tom Hanks.
Yes, yes, definitely Tom Hanksokay, so Tom Hanks movie next
actually one that I was thinkingabout seeing if I could find
somebody that wanted to do itwith me is Road to Perdition.
That's a great film.
That is a fantastic movie.
I mean, first off, tom Hanks isarguably a bad guy.
That's a great film.
That is a fantastic movie.
Oh my gosh.
First off, tom Hanks isarguably a bad guy Like.

(01:17:53):
I mean he's not a real bad guy,like because he's like he's one
of those tragic good guys, butI mean he's a killer.
So I mean he's a bad guy, butit's still I don't know.
It's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
I haven't seen that movie in so long, and now you've
made me want to go watch itagain, so that might be my
Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Oh, and the music in that movie.
Oh it's so good, Anyway.
So back to this one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Back to this amazing movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
We've got.
I'm going to do things a littlefunny today.
I've got the IMDB description,which is a military lawyer
Lieutenant Daniel Caffey'soffends Marines accused of
murder.
They contend that they wereacting under orders.
The Amazon description a youngNavy lawyer risks his career to
uncover the truth during amilitary trial.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
Yeah, Wait, I thought there was more to it than that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Now we're going to try something.
I think you just want too much.
I guess, Because most placesthat's the kind of description
you get, and it isn't until Ihave to go to one of the biggest
travesties in the movie culture.
I have to go to Rotten Tomatoesto get something that I think
that you would approve of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Okay, I'll take it.
I'll take of, okay, I'll takeit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I'll take it, okay, lieutenant Daniel Caffey.
Tom Cruise is a military lawyerdefending two US Marines
charged with killing a fellowMarine at the Guantanamo Bay
Naval Base in Cuba.
Although Caffey is known forseeking plea bargains, a fellow
lawyer, lieutenant CommanderJoanne Galloway Demi Moore,
convinces him that the accusedMarines are most likely carrying

(01:19:29):
out an order from a commandingofficer.
Caffey takes a risk by callingColonel Nathan Jessup, jack
Nicholson, to the stand in aneffort to uncover the conspiracy
.
Yes.
Yeah, so I'd have to go to whatis probably the serial killer of
the movie culture, rottenTomatoes.
The worst thing to happen tomovies Rotten Tomatoes is where

(01:19:52):
I'd have to go to getJamie-approved movie
descriptions.
Yeah, so, across the universe.
This Revolution Studioproduction was released in 2007,
was directed by Julie Taymor.
Stars uh, there's tons offamous people in this movie, but

(01:20:12):
the the poster names are jimsturgis, evan rachel wood and
joe anderson.
And, uh, the imdb descriptionnow, jamie's not on here to to
you know, tell me that it's abad one, but I think it.
I mean, considering that thisone's a musical and it's using
Beatles music, I think that thisone's actually pretty good.

Speaker 8 (01:20:30):
How does Jamie not like Across the Universe?

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
No, she doesn't like the IMDb descriptions.

Speaker 8 (01:20:36):
Oh yeah, they can suck.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
But she doesn't like any of the descriptions, except
for the ones from the evil one,rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 8 (01:20:45):
Oh gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah, because they give you like three quarters of
the story before they're donewith their movie description
wouldn't that kind of give awaytoo much of the movie like this?
Yes, rotten tomatoes is evil,we'll just leave it at that okay
, fair enough now imdb.
Uh description for this movieis the music of the beatles.
Uh and the vietnam war form abackdrop for the romance between
an upper class American girland a poor Liverpudlian artist.

Speaker 8 (01:21:13):
That makes him sound like some kind of weird dog
breed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Right, I thought the same thing.
I was like I had to look it up.
Is that right Liverpudlian?
Yeah, so Liverpudlian, I guess,is the proper way to refer to a
person from Liverpool.

Speaker 8 (01:21:29):
I feel like we should move, just because I kind of
want to be known as aliverpoodlian.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
I don't know that I could deal with that.
I could.
I could.
I'll tell you what if we movedto anywhere anywhere in the UK,
if we were to move anywhere inthe UK, I would be okay living
in like, in like Leeds, I'd beokay with that.

Speaker 8 (01:21:48):
What about noodle Ludelia?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Noodle Ludelia.
That's a TV show, that'ssomething else, sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
Yeah, it does go into kind of like that toxic
masculinity portion of it to acertain degree that, like in
like 94 guys were still tryingto figure out where they fit
Right.
You know you still fit right.
You know you still had, uh, youstill had that, that uh,
attitude of like boys don't cry,right, right, uh, you know men
don't have feelings.
You know men just go to workand they, they take all of their

(01:22:18):
feelings and they, uh, you know, they just put it in their
stomach and then it eventuallybecomes colon cancer in their
50s and it gets cut out of theirasshole.
Uh, you know, I mean that was.
That was still the attitude backin 94.
Even for the gen x people thatwas still the attitude, uh,
whereas now that's changed alittle bit uh, you know
depending on, like, where you'reat in the country uh, that has

(01:22:39):
changed a bit to where, like,guys are a little bit more
allowed to be, you know,touchy-feely, right, you know
we're we're allowed to have, youknow, more of the, the emotions
.
But there are still somecommunities, some smaller towns,
some areas you know, you and Ilive here right where, like you,
still have some remnants ofthat, uh, that shit that's

(01:23:00):
around of, like men are men.
You know that, that kind ofattitude right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Well, and and I mean again that does kind of point it
at you know the differences incultures between different
places.
Uh, within the country, I meanthe midwest.
As a generality, I think themidwest is pretty pretty good,
uh, in the in, in theacclimation, uh sort of way
coming in with some of these newideas and everything.

(01:23:28):
But, uh, I mean it's the ruralareas that are kind of uh, still
in the back on, um, on how they, how they feel about the new
terminologies for things liketoxic and healthy masculinity.
Now, the ideas themselves.
I guess really, it's just kindof one of those things where, uh
, where it really just dependson you know, where, the, where

(01:23:49):
the person has has grown up andwhere they allow themselves to
recognize the culture as itchanges and whether it's okay,
like it's almost like they'rewaiting for the rest of their,
of their people, to tell themthat the change is okay, right,
yep, exactly, and you have awhole group of people waiting
for the rest of their group tosay that it's okay.
Then nobody says okay, right,exactly, yeah, yeah, they, they

(01:24:23):
took all of their hurt and andsadness and and all of that
stuff and stuffed it and youknow, deep down in themselves.
They bottled it all up and andthey're just waiting for it to
fucking explode, correct?
Um?
You know, uh, which?
For all those people who whohear about explosions in the
midwest, those aren't meth labs.
Those are just angry white,middle aged white dudes that are

(01:24:45):
finally exploding from all oftheir emotions.
Yeah, it's both.

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
But yeah, I mean you're, you're absolutely right.
I mean that that that kind ofrepression Right, you know that
turns into that turns intodomestic violence, that turns
into alcoholism, that turns intoself damaging behavior, you
know addiction.
Yes, yeah, exactly.
Uh, self-damaging behavior, uh,you know.
Addiction yes, yeah, exactly.
You know it turns into a lot ofreally bad, negative shit
because they it never gets, youknow, worked out of their system

(01:25:12):
right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
One of the other things uh that, like in
particular in this story thatkind of came up, was the whole
uh blowjobs versus sex thing ohman yeah yeah, when, when she
freaked, when he freaks out onon his girlfriend because you
know, like, she had said thatshe had slept with three guys,
he had slept, slept with 12, andshe kind of freaked out on him

(01:25:36):
a little bit about, you know,sleeping with 12 women, um, but
then then it comes out a littlebit later, like five minutes
later, that she had that she hadfellated 36 dudes, yeah, and
she didn't consider that to besex.
And he freaked out and was wasabusing her, he was verbally

(01:26:00):
abusing, this was.

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
Yeah, I mean, he was, he was completely out of line
in his, in his response to it.
And it points to a couple ofthings, you know.
Like one, it points to thedouble standard.
Uh, you know that.
Uh, you know, like, at he wasfine with the stat, you know,
with the cards being stacked inhis direction, but he was not
okay when it was stacked in herdirection, like then it became
this big, this whole big to do,uh, but but it was also, you

(01:26:31):
know it, it talked about or itspoke to, um, the definition,
the, the definition of sex orlack of right.
You know where it's like.
You know, sex is sex, butblowjobs are just blowjobs.
Right, wait a fucking minuteyeah, well, and that's I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
that's a conversation I remember having you know, in
in the late 90s and in early2000s, even at our Perkins
gatherings.
I remember that, coming up acouple of times, people arguing
on either side, one or the other, you know, is oral sex.
Is that sex?
Well, I mean, first off, it'scalled oral sex, correct, so yes

(01:27:03):
, it is.
Yes, you know and all thisother stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
If the clinical term involves sex, well then, yes,
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
So well, although then that would also by
definition also make phone sexsex, yes, which, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Well, psychologically it is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
psychologically, that's what it is yeah, so OK,
yeah, so yeah, it fits the bill.
So, okay, yeah, so yeah it, itfits the bill.
Um, higher expectations, uh, ofher than he has of himself was
was the other part that I had ofthat.
Oh yeah, um, he, like you said,he was okay when he was the one
that was that was winning,quote unquote you know, um, jen

(01:27:41):
and I actually just had aconversation about this earlier
today, not this very specificthing, but how everything today
needs and really, since I canremember, needs to be a
competition, right, likeeverybody is always in
competition with everybody elseat all times, and so, like I
don't know that his, his problemwas really that she had had, uh

(01:28:05):
, that she had fellated, 36other dudes, or that it was that
he was losing right, yeah, yeah, yeah, because the numbers were
against him, yeah right, likeit was more of a competition
that he was just now suddenlylosing.
Yeah and uh.
But when he was 12 to 3, thengod damn it, he's the man and
he's in charge.

(01:28:26):
You know, like I just uh, Idon't know, but uh, yeah, that's
, that's kind of what, uh, whatkind of came up for that and
it's so much of a that's so muchof a typical like double
standard.

Speaker 6 (01:28:37):
When you, when you're talking about you, when you're
looking at like the, thedifferences of, like how we
treat sex and the genders, youknow that that is a very typical
double standard.
It's thankfully we're gettingaway with, you know, we're
getting away from that in, likethe later generations, to where
it's more that like nobody givesa shit.
But especially like when, whenyou and I were teenagers, um,

(01:28:57):
that was very much a thing youknow, like, if, you know if, if
a chick had, uh, you know if, uh, if a woman had slept with like
more than like two or threeguys, oh, my god, she's a whore,
you know like yeah, you know,like you, you had all sorts of
colorful, terrible, horriblenames that you would throw out
to somebody.
But yet, if you knew a guy andhe was lying his ass off uh, you
know, because this doesn'thappen at 16 in nebraska but you

(01:29:20):
know, if you knew a guy thatsaid that he'd nailed, like you
know, 12 different chicks orsomething, that guy was a stud.
You know, he was an absoluteking of you know 12 different
chicks or something.
That guy was a stud, you knowhe was an absolute king of men.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
you know, he was a hero Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
Yeah, yeah, he was the baddest, baddest
motherfucker in the land, but no, no, I mean, that guy is just
as much of a whore.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Or so, actually, why is he a whore?
Or why is he a hero and not?

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
a war?
Yeah, exactly, exactly yeah,it's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Uh, I'm glad that.
I'm glad that we've kind ofgotten a little bit more away
from that, like you've said,like I've at least in, at least
in our social circles.
I don't know if it's changedwith some of the younger, uh,
some of the younger populationsor whatever, but I think as uh,
you like the, the, the youngergenerations, not, you know now,
granted, I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
I don't have kids and I'm not spending a whole lot of
time with Zoomers because Idon't need to be.
I have no real business beingaround Gen Z, it's just creepy.
At this point, however, I thinksome of the younger generations
, they are a lot more sexpositive, so there's a lot less
to be ashamed about, and I thinkthat is where a lot of this

(01:30:28):
comes into yeah, well, and andthat's that's very true uh, I
mean this back when this moviewas made, that was still
something that was it's stilltaboo yeah yeah, gen x, gen x
before us, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
How old are you?

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
uh, I'll be 40 here in a couple months oh, okay, so
you're.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
You're a millennial with me, correct?

Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
but at the same time, because we were in the midwest-
like, yeah, we're, we're, weare, on paper, elder millennials
, but because we're here in themidwest and because we were both
, you know, growing up with aworking poor, uh, we, we kind,
were honorary Gen X because wedidn't have some of the same
social things, some of the samesocial cues that other

(01:31:14):
millennials of our time wouldhave had.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Right Now.
This is something that mysister's generation I feel like
she's like five years older thanme.
I feel like that because shewas, let's see, uh, 15 when this
came out.
Okay, so like.
So she would have been more inthat, in that kind of social
area where that stuff would havebeen a little bit more she's

(01:31:39):
exactly their audience.

Speaker 6 (01:31:40):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
so I mean, that's I.
I feel like that gen x did areally good job of kind of
trailblazing the whole.
You know, let's not make, let'snot make this whole thing a
religious thing or a judgmentthing or whatever, and let's
just call it what it is it's sexand it's something that some

(01:32:02):
people enjoy and some peopledon't, and some people enjoy it
in other ways.
And so why do we have to make abig deal about it and just
normalize it and make it aregular thing and not pretend
that it's some you know something that you have to keep
hidden somewhere?

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
but you're applying logic to people's naughty parts,
ben, and how dare you that's,that's exactly it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
so so I feel like Gen X did a really great job of
kind of trailblazing that andand I feel like that, really,
when it comes to uh, when itcomes to really, you know,
sealing that deal, I feel likethe millennials did a perfect
job of of finishing it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
We did a lot better.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah, and and so I think that, uh, I think that a
lot of that stuff has kind ofgone away.
Um, I mean, of course, there'sthe exceptions.
We live in the rural Midwest sothere's still, there's still a
lot of that religious influenceon on.
Uh, you know how, how it's bad,just because you know Jesus
doesn't like to think thatyou're, you know, pulling your

(01:33:06):
pud.
Burn the witch, get the scarletletter Like he's had no reason
to go outside of himself and dosomething for somebody else, and
now that he's faced withsomething where, when it
actually matters, he does, whenit actually matters, he does,

(01:33:30):
and so that that kind of bringsbrings to mind in a concept that
I've I've I've kind of talkedwith people on on and off again
about, uh, now and again, andthat's the idea that that humans
and people are inherently good,that all of us, that all of us
have this part of us that wantsto be good, and that some people

(01:33:52):
just get lost from their way onit.

Speaker 11 (01:33:55):
Oh, totally.
I think a lot of it's a lot ofit has to do with your
environment that you're raisedin you know, and just you know,
like if you're trying to be goodand you're going and doing it
and doing it and doing it, butall you get is nothing but
negativity and you get crushedback down and you know you're
never shown to be good to otherpeople.

(01:34:17):
All you see is the villainy ofthe world.
It's it's hard to be a goodperson when all you see is the
negativity.
Right like you can, you canbust through that.
You know there's always thatchance.
One meeting of like say, likeyou, your guidance counselor was
somebody in high school thatyou know you're really, really

(01:34:42):
struggling and then that onething that they said to you like
opened your mind and made youpush harder to be a better
person right yeah yeah, I meanand I hope, like I mean it'd be
really nice if everybody had oneof those people, I mean, and I

(01:35:03):
think that everybody has accessto somebody like that if they
really allowed themselves toventure out and find them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
But I do think that there are also people out there
that don't have that feel likethey don't have somebody that
they can go to.
That can kind of help them comeback to themselves as people
and stay true to the good partof them that they have.

Speaker 11 (01:35:32):
Sometimes it's being that person that can bring you
back Right.
Being that person for somebodyelse can give you that
satisfaction and bring you backin a sense.
I have so many stray kids at myhouse that just wander in and
out of teenagers and, like I,try to be that adult around them

(01:35:54):
.
You know, like if they'rehaving a bad day it's just like
I.
It's, it sucks, like it.
It's a shitty experience, butlife does get better.
You know.
If you want it to, then it willwill, right you have to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
I mean that's really important to have.
I mean it is extremelyimportant for kids to have kind
of that older, wiser sort ofinfluence that a lot of kids
don't get, honestly, and a lotof them do, like a lot of people

(01:36:31):
tend to.
That tends to be their parents,right, you know, like a lot of
like your oldest I know.
Yeah.
You are the older, wiser, kindperson that your oldest goes to.

Speaker 11 (01:36:45):
Yeah, well, and the funny thing is like we basically
raised each other because youknow, I was a baby having a baby
you know, like you were a kidwith a kid yeah, we were.
We were going through lifetogether like we both had to
figure out a lot of things and Ihad, like I didn't use her as
like my emotional support rock,but when I would come home and I

(01:37:06):
hear, daddy, that's all Ineeded, that's that got me up
the next morning, you know whatwas it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
It was, I think it was Petey, wasn't it?

Speaker 8 (01:37:18):
That was having some troubles and then, like um coach
, pulled him off the line andsaid he kept, he kept dropping
the ball and Boone got mad andis like no, you're killing me,
pd, and like take this ball andjust start running.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Right, and he took him off the line and then Yost
went over and was like, talkingto him and being like you know,
okay, well, why don't you goahead and play on my line?
You know you play on defenseand we'll see if we can get you
to to figure out a differentposition here in the coaching
room.
Yost points out hey, man, likeyou're really, you're really
beating up these kids and andyou're really beating up their,

(01:37:57):
their feelings.
You know, like and and that'sthat is the place of an
assistant coach.
Um, the assistant coach is moreof the friend coach, whereas
head coaches are not so much.
But it was, it was differentCoach Boone.
Uh, he, he turned around and hesaid you know, I noticed that
that all of these kids thatyou're going in and coddling

(01:38:19):
their feelings and making themfeel better, those are all.
Those are all the black players.
You don't do that with anywhite players.
It was almost like Boone wascalling Yost out on, on are all
the black players.
You don't do that with anywhite players.

Speaker 8 (01:38:34):
It was almost like Boone was calling Yost out on on
believing that the whiteplayers were more emotionally
capable.
Well, ok, there is one side tothat.
To be fair, he, he knows thewhite players like he knows
those kids, except for Louie andSunshine, like he, he knows
those kids.
So heie and sunshine, like he,he knows those kids so he knows
what they can handle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Right, but it still gave him pause, it still, it
still made Yost stop and thinkyou know, am am I treating them
different?
That scene really stuck with me, and and a lot of it is because
because it shows how prejudicecan exist in the in the tiniest
corners of a person's mind in away that they don't even know

(01:39:13):
that it's there.
And he started to realize thatin that moment and I felt like
that was a really pivotal pointof the movie and a very pivotal
point for the development ofYost as he would become who he
became in the movie.
Towards the end of the movie,yost had had another growing
moment too.
Later on, I mean, things wereall starting to get really good

(01:39:36):
and integrated and everythinglike that.
They were all buddies, you know, and all of that good stuff.
Boone was actually babysittingYost's daughter Cheryl.
They were sitting at Boone'shome watching tape.

Speaker 8 (01:39:54):
When he thought that Cheryl was going to be playing
with his daughter.
Instead, she was criticizinghis coach.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Yeah.
So they were watching film andthen a brick came through the
window.
Boone gets up, he gets ashotgun, does what any, what any
man protecting his home woulddo, and he didn't.
He didn't go crazy about it oranything, but he wasn't friendly
when talking about it in public.
In public he was being a littleantagonistic with the people

(01:40:27):
who had attacked his home.
Which I mean, on one hand, yes,you can't show that you're
afraid, but at the same time youalso have to be very careful
when you have family, you know.
And so Yost, recognizing thathad had suggested to Boone maybe
a little bit of humility, andBoone called him out for that
too.
You know, like I mean, thesetwo are constantly just

(01:40:50):
challenging each other in everyway possible.

Speaker 8 (01:40:52):
Well, I think it was really the way that you said.
It was because he said you know, I don't want your sins
affecting my daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Well, and that came a little bit later, yeah, Like
just a little bit, a few momentslater when, when he said you
know, my daughter was in yourhome, you do this stuff when my
kid is around you.
That puts my kid in danger, andabout the time that you think
that he has a point, you knowthat he has the last word and,

(01:41:20):
yeah, he's right.
When you have other people'schildren around you, you have,
you have a different kind ofresponsibility.
But then Boone flipped it rightback around again and said,
yeah, and now your daughter hasa taste of what my daughter's
life is like every day.
That was another point where,where Yost, they go to that
closeup.
You know that that money shotright there, you know, framing

(01:41:43):
his face perfectly, just for himto to show you shit, know
there's, there is so much herethat I hadn't thought about and
that is that, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
um, can I just say like throughout this entire
movie with multiple differentcharacters, they showed a lot
just with facial oh god yeahexpressions yeah uh, one thing
that really got me with the thecinematography on this is just
how they do the battle scenes isjust really well done for midi.

(01:42:15):
Any medieval movie or any moviethat shows like medieval style
combat to have that many peopleon on you know in in frame at a
single time is is a really bignightmare.
Um, they did it brilliantlyright.
Every battle looks so good likeyou almost forget you're
watching the movie and thatthat's really the sign for me is
like when I forget that I'mactually like watching this

(01:42:39):
right, a lot of that is becauseof, uh, another movie, um, it's
a ridley scott movie, uh, so I'mpretty sure you've probably
heard of it, called gladiator oh, of course yeah yeah, are

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
you not entertained yeah, gladiator revolutionized
on screen warfare like that, Ithat, that medieval and, and you
know, old style warfare.
Uh, the gladiator movie, if itreally is the the cutoff point,
because if you watch anythingbefore that there's, there is

(01:43:15):
something that is veryuncomfortable about it, like it
just, it just seems like it'sit's derivative and and not what
you think it should be.
But that chaos that was createdin gladiator, um, when ridley
scott made that, that firstfight with the, with the
germanics and it was just yeah,the barbarians or whatever.

(01:43:39):
It changed everything and andafter that point that is how
warfare is done so, like I meanit's it's really cool how they
did that, but that movie andthis movie kind of connect in a
way we're not only because ofthat.
The other thing that that kindof caught my attention about
this movie was the music.
Oh yeah, the music for both ofthese movies was done by hans

(01:44:03):
zimmer, which wow.
So a lot of people will tellyou that John Williams is the
best music in Hollywood, and youknow if you're, if you're
arguing you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Yeah, I mean Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
enough said well, I mean Harry, but you name a great
movie.
It's uncanny how, most of thetime that you think of one of
the greatest movies of all timethat you think of one of the
greatest movies of all time youknow in in various different
genres, a lot of the time youwill find that John Williams did
the music for it.
So it's it's so uncanny howcoincidental that is that it

(01:44:40):
could almost be argued that JohnWilliams is what makes a movie
great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Yeah, you know, um, that was one thing I remember in
in when I was going to collegewas that we watched the intro to
the 1986 Top Gun, the originalTop Gun, and we watched it once
with you know, just that openingscene where it's just the
aircraft carrier and and peopleare walking around doing their
jobs on aircraft carrier and andyou know.

(01:45:06):
But we watch that scene.
It's got the highway to thedanger zone, you know, uh, music
and it's just kicking up andand you just get so amped up
into that.
It's so well done with all likethe montage shots and
everything right.
But then you watch that exactsame scene, that same montage,
without any music, and it'scompletely flat, it has no
impact whatsoever, like it justlooks like people on a navy boat

(01:45:28):
doing their navy jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
You know right which, and and yeah, I mean that it
does show you how importantmusic is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
Oh yeah, the music after I saw that like I've never
been able to watch movies thesame way.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Um you're so without noticing the music and and how
it might be affecting you.
Yeah, yeah but like, but with,with all of that in mind, about,
you know, john Williams writingso many, so many scores for so
many movies that are so big.
How is there room for any othergreat people to make music?
Well, hans Zimmer is one ofthose people and when you look

(01:46:01):
at what he has, uh, as far asyou know, his credits go uh for
for movies and things like that.
I mean we're talking gladiator,last samurai dune, I mean
there's, there's, you can't, youcan't, even you know, dune dune
, I think is probably one of themost incredible movie
soundtracks.

(01:46:22):
Uh, the the new dune yeah yeah,uh, not to say that toto did a
bad job in in the 80s movie, butbut, uh, I think really the
best way to to differentiatebetween john williams and han
zimmer is that john williams,john williams writes the scores
of our lives.
Okay, what do you?

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
mean by that Hans.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Zimmer.
Hans Zimmer writes the scoresof our souls.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Oh yeah, when you finish that.
Yeah, I totally understand.
I can understand what you'retrying to say there.
It's like, yeah, williams, hereally makes it more feel like
it's part of the everyday life,but then Zimmer can just really
touch you, like really getinside you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Yeah, yeah, there's nothing to stop you from
remembering anything that JohnWilliams writes, but but Hans
Zimmer?
Hans Zimmer can bring you totears if you let him.
Absolutely.
It's I don't know, it's justit's crazy.
This is.
This is one of the ones that Iwas really looking forward to.
Getting into Women's role in akitchen.

(01:47:26):
You have Mark down Colette'smonologue about having to fight
for everything in a systemdesigned to keep her kind of in
her place, sort of thing.
I've actually got a soundbitefor that.
I'm going to go ahead and playthat.

Speaker 10 (01:47:44):
No, you listen.
I just want you to know exactlywho you are dealing with.
How many women do you see inthis kitchen?
Well, I Only me.
Go ahead and play that, Mia.
How did this happen?
Because, well, because you,Because I'm the toughest cook in
this kitchen.
I have worked too hard for toolong to get here and I am not

(01:48:11):
going to jeopardize it for somegarbage.
Boy who got lucky Got it.
Go home.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
I love that scene.

Speaker 5 (01:48:20):
That was really good.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Yeah, the way that I mean.
She's stabbing those knivesthrough his sleeve, his coat
sleeve, and slowly pinning himto the table and he just doesn't
know what to say.
Because he he starts off thatconversation trying to be like
super cool and and suave.
He's all like you know, I justwant you to know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
And she's like boom, no, this is not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
So, uh, first off, I I kind of want to, I kind of
want to ask you, uh, what's youropinion on Colette kind of
representing women, uh, in akitchen as as a character?
Um, because I I haven't workedin a lot of kitchens, but I feel
like there's a lot of Colette'sin kitchens.

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
Yeah, I'll get um.
Yeah, I'll get um, I'll getmore specifically into, like
female chefs, um, but coletteactually represents something.
I really wish my, my wife, wasactually here for this part,
like that she could weigh in,because having that perspective
is really, I think, importantand it's missing in not just
this industry but overall.
And the thing is is that theway that my wife puts it is that

(01:49:32):
females in any industry is theyhave to be two or three times
as hard as any man that's therearen't always allowed to show
emotions, they can't admit thatthey're overwhelmed, they can't
have normal breakdowns Like aguy can, can have a breakdown in
the walk-in or whatever andtalk about it and like brush it

(01:49:56):
off and whatever.
But but women are really treatedon this other level where if
they do anything there, you knowthey can be seen as emotional
or you know they they aren'tgiven the same opportunities or
they're given less pay and Ithink that overall that is
absolutely not cool.
And there's there's a lot oftimes in the kitchen where front

(01:50:19):
of house doesn't treat.
They'll look right past thefemale chefs and try to find a
male chef and talk to them, thefemale chefs and try to find a
male chef and talk to them.
You know, even though somebodymight be standing right next to
me, that's a woman that iscompletely more qualified than
meeting answer that question.
And a lot of times when you seethese successful women, you
will notice that there is this,this, uh, obviously in Colette

(01:50:40):
it's, you know, slightlyexaggerated for for what the
message is, but you will noticethere's a lot of women that have
that kind of hardness aboutthem because, you know, so many
industries are male dominatedbecause they have to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Um, you know, they it's, and that is very true.
Uh, I mean, in a lot ofindustries, even, it's a lot of
the time, it's ignored.
But even even in industriesthat are female dominated, you
look at a lot of thoseindustries, but you look at the

(01:51:17):
leadership, and the leadershipis all men and so you have, you

(01:51:40):
have, you know, an industry thatis primarily women workers all
vying for these upper positions,that it's like you know they're
fighting so hard to get thereJust to run into this block,
that a lot of the time men areare picked for those, those
positions.
So I mean, and it happens allthe way from you know, your,
your, your saucier, to your souschef, to your, you know, to
your chef, but but I mean it, ithappens in the whole restaurant

(01:52:05):
.
Like I mean, how many I really,I really do, like how they
really punch it into your facewith Colette's attitude.
I love it, it is so Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:52:15):
I thought that was a really great scene.
And yeah, also, you know, Iwant to add something that I
always say when any kinds ofthings like this come up is
inevitably you're going to get acomment somewhere, whether it's
on your channel or in yourcomments on podcasts Like, well,
I'm a female chef owner orwhatever.
And the way that I say, the waythat I see this is you know,

(01:52:38):
there are literally billions ofpeople on Earth, right?
Anything that we say, there'salways going to be going to be
exceptions.
There's always going to befemale business owners or female
managers, sous chefs, all ofthat.
Who's the sous chef on hell'skitchen?
I forgot her name.
I like her.
Oh, I know her name.
Until I go to say it, it's notyeah, what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
I don't remember I did really quick, tough as nails
, though actually she was alwaysone of my favorite parts of uh
hell's kitchen when I'd bewatching.
Uh, I'd always love it when hewould go, get all the different
orders and stuff like that, takethem into the kitchen, start
shouting them out and everythingand then, like you can see her
running from station to stationand and making christina, I knew

(01:53:20):
it was christina, yeah she's,she's kick-ass man like yeah,
and she's not just the sous chef, but she's like in charge of
his whole brand.

Speaker 5 (01:53:28):
Right, like it's pretty awesome position yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
But again, I mean, is that an exception?
I mean you, you definitely, youdefinitely see successful women
in, you know the kitchenindustry, but again, it is the
amount of work that is applied Ithink is a lot of the time not
equal.
I really liked how, how they,they muscled that in a little
bit.
I don't, I don't know that itwas subtle at all, but I do love

(01:53:57):
.

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
I do love how they put it in.
You just think, oh man, she'smad, and you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Again, that's another one of those things where it's
like that's content that is madefor grownups that is put into a
kid's movie so that grownupscan still get something out of
the movie, which is why I'm notafraid to have kids movies on my
podcast, even though I'm 40.
So, um, but yeah, I, I reallydid love that part of the movie.
So why don't we just go aheadand jump right into the

(01:54:24):
characters?
Tell me about.
Tell me about Pete and Ellie.
We'll we'll into the characters.
Tell me about Pete and Ellie.
We'll have Jamie talk aboutPete and Ellie.

Speaker 4 (01:54:31):
Oh, pete and Ellie, there were so many pieces
because I just rewatched it.
I haven't seen it for a coupleyears.
I'm rewatching it again.
You know, in prep for this itwas like all of these little
things kind of popped out at me,like how they're so hopeful,
like it, and kind of blind, andtotally do that whole like, oh,

(01:54:56):
this is going to be a challenge.
And they're like, oh, we know,we know, we know Right, but it's
not really going to be achallenge, like we're just going
to ignore it, ignore it.
I also thought it wasfascinating about how they're

(01:55:17):
trying to be so perfect and indoing that, they mess it up all
the time, like they say thewrong things and they do the
wrong things because they're soworried about doing it wrong,
like trying to get it right.
And I remember that feeling,sitting in our foster care class
doing the same thing, likereally measuring what I had to
say and really monitoring what Isaid before I said it, cause I

(01:55:38):
didn't want to not get a licensebefore we even finished the
class Right, like I didn't wantto get kicked out.
So, um, I don't want to getkicked out.
So, um, I think what'sfascinating is how, how their
motives like you can see theirmotive shift throughout the
movie.
Um, in the beginning times, yeah, yeah, and in the beginning, I

(01:56:00):
you know when, when Lizzie askedEllie like why did you, why did
you take us?
You know like, why did you pickus?
And she didn't have an answerfor that.
And then by the end, it waslike when it was possible that
they weren't going to be able tobe together, it was like then
she figured it out, she knewexactly why they were there.
You know, which was kind ofcool.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
Yeah, yeah, I, I, uh, I that that was probably one of
the moments that, like that, Ireally had to stop.
I actually paused the moviewhen she asked her you know why,
why are you doing this?
Why are you adopting us?
She stammered a bunch and shewas like, yeah, exactly, you
know, and walked away.
I had to pause it for a secondand be like you know, like, of

(01:56:46):
all of the reasons that peoplesay that they're adopting, what
way would that be okay for kids?
You know, like well, we want toadopt because we want to fill a
hole in our lives.
Well, I mean, if you ask a kidwho was in foster care, hannah,
would, would that make you feelgood?
Like I want you to be a part ofmy family, to make my, my, life

(01:57:10):
whole, like it.
Does that, does that make itseem selfish to you, or is that
like?

Speaker 7 (01:57:18):
I mean, I guess it's kind of like 50 50, but it's
more like you're doing it foryour own benefit and not mine,
if that makes sense, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
So so it wouldn't be unusual for for a kid to feel
that way, and that that's kindof what went through my head
with.
With that was, you know, lizzie?
Lizzie has got to be thinkingthat these people are not doing
this for me, these people arenot doing this for my brother
and sister.
These people are, that's enough.

Speaker 4 (01:57:46):
Moxie has something to say too.
She was recently adopted aswell, so she may have something
to add to this conversation.
Lay down, lay down lay down.
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
So um, so yeah, I mean, I hope I mean it.
It's gotta there's gotta betimes where it goes through a
kid's head that you know thatyou're not doing this for you,
you're not or you're not doingthis for me.
You, all of this heartache andand all of these things, you
know, you think that I have todo this.
You know like I can, I can stopthis at any time, and and you

(01:58:43):
know, and then you can go backwith the muskies which, by the
way, just so everybody's on thesame page those people were
actually married the the creepyfoster family that they came
from.

Speaker 4 (01:58:53):
Well, she's an actress.
I mean, I've seen her in otherthings, but I had never seen him
before.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Yeah, those, those are actually husband and wife.
That's crazy, and they do looklike brother and sister.
It's so weird.
But yeah, it's uh.
Yeah, that's a real thing.
Um, but yeah, I mean, she couldtotally at any time have been
like I, I don't, I don't want todo this anymore, you can go

(01:59:20):
home.
I don't know that it was rightfor her to throw that at a, at a
, you know, 15 year old girl.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
But there were several times where I was just
like oh no, no, no, no, no.
And in that moment, even, evenin that scene, I'm like don't
mess this up.
Don't mess this up.
You know, she needs to hear theright thing from you right now.
Oh no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
So so yeah, Pete and Ellie, like it was, it was
really fun to watch theirstruggles, because that's that's
what made the movie interestingwas their struggles.
But, um, but at the same time,like I, I really loved how their
, how their struggles were also,um, I mean, they, they, they,

(02:00:06):
they brought in that awkwardnessthat people will sometimes have
in those situations where theysay the wrong thing but it's
because they don't know theright way to say those right
things.
But anyway, next on the list Igot Lizzie.

(02:00:26):
Somebody's perspective on threefoster kids in a FOSADOP
situation.
I should probably get it froman opinion of somebody who's
been there.
So, hannah, tell me aboutLizzie, juan and Lita he want in
lita.

Speaker 7 (02:00:43):
Well, I just think that lizzie was like this cute
little girl that had just somuch you know, punk and sass,
and was just the cutest thingand I felt like one.
I kind of related to a littlebit, because I've talked to my
mom and she just said that whenI first came into her care I was

(02:01:05):
just this scared little girlthat just sat on the couch and
didn't know what to do at alland just watched Isaiah rummage
around the house and act like acrazy kid.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
You were timid.
You were all kinds of timidwhen you first came in, except
when it came to electronics.
You took to electronics likenothing, like tablets and
laptops.
Do you, do you remember thatfirst night?
I don't, oh, I don't, she wasat.
Yes, I also remember heraffinity for a Kindle and yes,

(02:01:42):
yes, yeah, there were, therewere, especially in the
beginning.
There were definitely some Juanthings about Hannah Lita,
though I don't think that shereally had much of Lita until
later.

Speaker 4 (02:02:00):
I was going to say when she came back yeah, what do
you think?

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
of L you think alita?

Speaker 7 (02:02:10):
me yeah, um, yeah, I just oh, I think I got the name
switched around in the beginning.
I totally did, because I meantto say lita was just like this,
like this sassy girl, and shewas just yeah.
What my way, or the highway,you know, is the type of
attitude that came across off.

(02:02:30):
So potato chips yes, potatochips or nothing?

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
yes, um, so okay, so that was lita.
What about?
What about lizzie?

Speaker 7 (02:02:41):
lizzie.
I kind of connected with morebecause, as it went on, like my
mom was just this annoyingperson that was just always on
me and oh my gosh, just leave mealone.
And oh, she doesn't knowanything, but in the end she was
always right about everything,which is hard for me to say, but

(02:03:01):
it's just on recorded history,people.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
That is, it is it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
It's on the internet, so it's not going anywhere now.
But yeah, so you got this guythat pursues his dream after the
Air Force and he's doing agreat job.
He gets into the audition,plays the same old tired tune,
and the guy tells him has a cometo Jesus moment with him about

(02:03:28):
gospel music and the realitythat it doesn't sell anymore.
You know, and and told him youknow, if you're dying in that
gutter and you could sing onesong, what would it be?
Is it going to be that or is itgoing to be something else?
And then that's when he singsin Folsom blues and lands the
label, gets on the, on the tourand starts making all of that

(02:03:50):
money.
And and his wife still isn'thappy before that she just
wanted him to sell someappliances.
You know, like, come on now.
I don't feel bad for her.
I feel kind of bad for JohnnyCash, but then I also want to
call him a son of a bitch.

Speaker 8 (02:04:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Well, cause he goes on tour, and then he meets June
Carter, like the June Carter,the one that he's been listening
to since he was, you know.
God only knows how young this,this woman, was made to be his
main squeeze.

Speaker 8 (02:04:20):
Made to be his main squeeze.

Speaker 2 (02:04:23):
Well, yeah, I mean the kid.
The kid obsessed over listeningto that girl sing on the radio
his whole life, and then hefinally meets her, and then he
starts performing with her.
Like they clearly have aconnection, you know, like from
the very first time they talk.
And how convenient is it thatshe is at that time going
through a divorce like, or justor just coming out of a divorce?

Speaker 8 (02:04:49):
but he gets.

Speaker 2 (02:04:50):
He gets a little stalkery yeah, he does it gets
that's, that's cringy leaves alittle bit of a, a little bit of
a you know nasty coconutty typeaftertaste in your mouth you
missed original why do they haveto add the coconut?

Speaker 8 (02:05:07):
I prefer the original now, that's a tv show you got
after me.
It is a tv show.

Speaker 2 (02:05:13):
But yeah, well, actually while they're on tour,
when she's like when, whenthey're starting to figure out
that that a little bit ofelectricity that they have
between them.
You know, johnny makes a, makesa Uh, that was actually a
really great scene because shegave him a copy of Khalil
Gibran's the Prophet.
That's a really good book.
I had no idea that that thatwould have been something on

(02:05:37):
June Carter's radar at all, butyeah anyway, um, but he tries to
kiss June, uh, and June showswhy he is, is why he is
attracted to her.
Yep, because this is somethingthat any little boy who grew up
with with a strong mom knows isthat you have to look for strong
women.

(02:05:57):
You can't have women that youcan walk over, and she sure put
a stop to it like twice boom,here is your boundary and you're
not going past it well, and shedidn't do it in a rude way.

Speaker 8 (02:06:10):
She's like I'm going through some stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
This is inappropriate right and then when he tried it
again, she's like what did Ijust tell you?
Like she almost got on his caselike a five-year-old so.
But yeah, I mean she, shereally enforced her boundaries
and she wasn't going to backdown from him.
And that, I think, is whyJohnny Cash was so attracted to
June Carter, was because she wasa strong woman that wasn't

(02:06:35):
going to be walked on.

Speaker 8 (02:06:37):
And then he went and watched boys blow things up, and
then he went because he gotshot down.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
He went and did the angsty teenager thing and
started blowing shit up.

Speaker 8 (02:06:49):
And that's when trouble started.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
Yes, it is, because Elvis showed up along with, you
know, the rest of the rest ofthe crew, and they've got
dexedrine, which is anamphetamine.
It's a prescription pill and Idon't know, it's possible that
you, you know a few of them, hadthat prescription, but I'm damn

(02:07:12):
certain that they weren'tprescribed to take two, three,
four, five pills at a time, youknow so.
Uh, so I mean, they weregetting high is what they were
doing and drinking, takingdexedrine and drinking and
blowing things up and blowingthings up like horrible
combination of shit here.

Speaker 8 (02:07:34):
Can I just say that I love that whole little thing
with.
Does your wife know you like toblow things up?
And he's like why do you thinkI married her Right?

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
But yeah, when, when he gets, when he gets into that
pill popping thing, then I meanthat that pretty well, that
starts a decline and it's very,very slow.
It's very insidious in thismovie but but it amplifies and
you can.

Speaker 8 (02:07:59):
You can actually see the, the levels of of
amplification as he spirals intointo oblivion well, in a
majority of the time that hewell, at least in the movie that
he starts popping those pillsis when he's having issues with
june right.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
Well, and and that's how it starts it starts when,
when he's, you know, frustratedand and having big emotions, you
know.
But then that when the when theaddiction takes hold, and then
he just starts taking it all thetime, and then he has to take
it to feel normal, you know,after they take a big long break
and everything, they get backon tour, uh, and he falls deeper

(02:08:39):
into addiction, where he justhe needs to have those pills
regularly, several times a day,you know, just to function as,
as a normal person would.
And by doing doing that, healienates a lot of people, of
course, first off his wife,because he's nothing but tired.
When he's home, you know,absolutely exhausted.

Speaker 8 (02:08:58):
His kids look like they're afraid of him, uh,
because he doesn't look human, Idon't well, I don't know if
they're so much afraid of him orif it's they thought that he
was like sick or something.

Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
Yeah, because he didn't look well.

Speaker 8 (02:09:14):
No, god no.

Speaker 2 (02:09:16):
He was pushing away even the tour.
He was providing the venues andthe publications and all of
that stuff.
He was taking care of all thefront work and he was doing it
quote unquote as a favor forJune so that she had work.

Speaker 8 (02:09:39):
And because he missed her.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
And so he, I mean he started this whole tour.
And then they, his addictiongets deeper and it gets so bad
that he almost makes his heartexplode by taking so many pills.
And I don't I don't rememberwhere that was.
Was that Texarkana, or was thatGrand Ole Opry?
I don't remember which.

Speaker 8 (02:09:58):
Uh, Texarkana was the , the bomb and the kisses.

Speaker 2 (02:10:03):
Oh right.

Speaker 8 (02:10:04):
I don't remember where that, oh, it might have
been because he, because when helight yeah, when he kicked the
light and he kicked the drum setand yeah, all of that and then
he, and then he collapsedbecause he damn near made his
heart explode yeah, that was atthe opry okay, and so, yeah, he
wasn't allowed back there afterthat.

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
That was his first opportunity there, collapsing on
stage in the middle of aperformance.
They closed the curtains, and Imean even his band, even the
Tennessee three come to him andsay dude, here is a plane ticket
, go the fuck home.

Speaker 8 (02:10:39):
Yeah, they said it was canceled and he said
according to who?

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
Yeah, Cause he's the boss, right?
Yeah well, there's no show ifthere's no band.

Speaker 8 (02:10:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:10:49):
You know, and they told him to get his ass home and
to take care of himself.
He doesn't have much of achoice, but June took his pills,
so he didn't have any pills,and he's, of course, going to
figure out a way to do it.
Well, you've got a man that'sgot more money than the Pope at
this point, so his resources arethrough the roof.
He just goes to Mexico and buysa bunch.

(02:11:13):
I mean, when he got busted atthe border, he had over 600
pills of dexedrine and over 400downers of some kind I don't
even remember what they were andover 400 downers of some kind.
I don't even remember what theywere.
But the guy had over a thousandpills and he got busted at the
border.
How fast do you think somebodywould go through that?

Speaker 8 (02:11:37):
He was going through that stuff like it was nothing.
Well, yeah, because when hefirst took it you saw them pour
Not like say hey, here's one.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
They poured them in the hand and took all of them
yeah, they weren't handing himpills like you hand somebody you
know a medication.
They were.
They were sharing pills likethey were fucking skittles yeah
like I mean it just good godtheir taste in a different kind
of rainbow the only two that Ihave by themselves.

(02:12:10):
The first one is bethany.
She kind of stands alone on herown.

Speaker 9 (02:12:14):
Tell me kind of how you felt about bethany as a
character bethany seemed whinyin the beginning, always, you
know, being down I, I think.
I think Janine's Galafo'scharacter, liz said it best
where she mourned her faith.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
Right, yeah, her best friend at the abortion clinic
yeah, she did.
She did kind of seem just uh, alittle bit on the emo side.
Uh, before emo was a thing, uhand and yeah, it really did seem
to kind of circle around herfaith because she said, you know
, she, she would go to churchand when she was a kid she felt

(02:12:56):
that, you know, she felt aliveand and all of those things, and
then now she doesn't feelanything and and yeah.
So I mean, I think that shekind of hit it right on the head
when she kind of described howhow Bethany feels about her
faith now Not that she doubts itLike and I think that's
something that's kind ofimportant to to point out is

(02:13:17):
that it's not because Bethanyhas lost faith.
She still has it, she stillgoes to church, she still prays
and all of that.
It's just that she doesn't feelthe connection anymore.
That's the best way of puttingit, yeah.
Now the next set of people I gotis the prophets, the apostle
and the muse.
The prophets I love that Jayand Silent Bob were the prophets

(02:13:41):
, because I love that they werethat important the characters of
Jay and Silent Bob are alwaysthey're always this somewhat
pivotal point in a movie thatthey're in, like in Mallrats it
was they were.
They allowed for, you know, forthe story to continue in a way
that was thought-provoking andeverything, by interrupting the

(02:14:04):
show and getting the peoplebackstage high and all that
stuff.
In this one, I mean they, theyreally were the protectors.
I mean they were, they were thegatekeepers for bethany.
They, they made sure that shewas safe in whatever way it took
, while also trying to get intoher pants the whole time this is
true.

Speaker 9 (02:14:22):
They do make some great jokes with that yes, yes,
the.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
I think the the one of my favorite.
One of my favorite like imagesfrom the movie is when they're
on the bridge after they killedher car and they were and they
were just kind of going back andforth and then she goes nobody
is fucking me, like it was just,it was just a really good line,
and she and Florentino justdelivered it with.

(02:14:48):
With on a silver platter.
It was perfect and great.
And that was shortly beforethey met the apostle, the 13th
apostle, played by, played by byChris Rock of all people.
What do you think of Chris Rockof all people?
What do you think of Chris Rockas the apostle?

(02:15:10):
What do you think of thatcharacter?

Speaker 9 (02:15:12):
I got introduced to Chris Rock as an early teen and
in his comedy he's always beenedgy.
So him as a 13th apostle whowas taken out of the Bible
because he was black is funny ashell to me.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
I don't know that it gets any edgier than that,
especially in 1999, because 1999was still before more people
had accepted that.
The likelihood that Jesus wasblack and that many of his
apostles would also likely beblack, it was still kind of
fringe thinking in the late 90s,but I feel like that it is more

(02:15:48):
widely accepted than it was atthat time, and I think that
might have been part of thepoint that Kevin Smith had
having a 13th black apostle.
It was left out simply becausehe was a black man.
He did talk about how Jesus wasblack.
Yep yeah, they just neglected.
How Jesus was black.

(02:16:11):
Yep, yeah, they just neglectedit was black and then, uh, jay
goes, so does that meanbethany's part black?
You're right, it cracks me upand and it makes me laugh so
hard.
I, I love the, I love the.
The jay and silent bob elementin in kevin smith's movies, them
, added together with Chris Rockbeing the intelligent guy that
corrects the two of them whenthey're just being stupid, is

(02:16:34):
just perfect.
Although it's really only Jaythat he picks on, like he seems
to be on a level with Silent Bob, and you can kind of tell when
Silent Bob gives him that coatand he's all like you know, his
shit's going to be rubbing up onthe inside of your coat and
everything.
He's all like, whatever, youknow, just brush it off.
And then, yeah, he's like youknow he.
They just have this momentwhere they're like looking at

(02:16:55):
each other and they're like,yeah, yeah, we get it.
You know this guy's a pain inthe ass, but we're okay, you
know, just so, yeah, that wasreally good.
And then, uh, of of that trioor, I guess, quadrio maybe, uh,
the muse, uh, the muse comes inin a strip club of all places.
Um, serendipity, uh, what doyou?

(02:17:18):
What do you think of the muse?

Speaker 9 (02:17:20):
as she puts it, it's not hard to to have men give
money to strippers.

Speaker 2 (02:17:26):
Right.

Speaker 9 (02:17:28):
It's easy to have them, you know, be inspired to
give more money, but it's harderto keep those ideas to yourself
.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
That was kind of her whole hangup was.
You know, she was where a lotof those ideas came from, but
she never got any of the credit.
One smart person to combat Jaywas not enough, so they needed a
second one.
So they brought in the muse.
Now the next one, the angels.
The angels are many in this, andI'm kind of including Asriel in

(02:18:01):
that as well, because you knowdemons, angels kind of thing.
The first ones we meet,bartleby and Loki, two
disenfranchised angels that havebeen cast to earth.
Worst of all, wisconsin I don'thate Wisconsin, but cast off to
Wisconsin and they're told thatthey're going to be there for

(02:18:21):
eternity and they're not allowedback into heaven.
And then they get thisanonymous tip off on how to get
there and they don't think aboutthe consequences but instead
they want to get back into theirold jobs, especially Loki with
the fire and brimstone.
That's taking it back to quitea bit of the old Testament there
and just kind of making it.
There's two guys that are veryold school, that are in the

(02:18:44):
modern world.
They understand the modernworld because they've lived
through to that point, butthey've still got these old
world ideas.

Speaker 9 (02:18:52):
How do you feel about the two main angels in this,
before we even start gettinginto the Metatron and all of
that I think the play that theyhave on each other with, you
know, Bartleby and LokiBartleby's the one who's smart
Air quotes smarter than Lokiki's.

(02:19:12):
The brawn where barterbees leebrains.
And then you got ben affleckand matt damon playing off each
other and they just work thoseguys have always worked.

Speaker 2 (02:19:22):
Uh, I mean, and I'm still not so sure, did.
Did you ever watch Jane Silent,bob Strike Back?
I've seen parts of itexplaining to Ben Affleck you

(02:19:45):
know how you have to do the artfilm, and then you have to do
the money-making film, you knowthe blockbuster, so that you can
, you know, continue payingbills and stuff, and then you
have to do the I owe a guy film,and then they look at the
camera.
So it's like sometimes I wonderwas Dogma one of those movies
where they owed Kevin Smith GrimRevelle?

(02:20:07):
Oh, smith Grim Revelle.

Speaker 6 (02:20:10):
Oh yeah, Grim.
Revelle yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, he was the composerthat put together the score for
the movie Right, and this islike I mean.
Even to him he's like this wasmy signature piece, this was
like my magnum opus.
To him he's like this is my,this was my signature piece,
this was like my magnum opus.
But I mean, this guy's workedon all sorts of shit that, like

(02:20:31):
people like us would probablyconsider to be like classic
movies.
Uh, he worked on things like,uh, like street fighter tank
girl.
Uh, ghost in the machine, likethe you know the animated ghost
in the machine.
Um, you know, he worked on likeall sorts of really cool shit.
Uh, he worked on um the craft.
Um, fuck what?
Uh, what the hell else do youwork?

(02:20:52):
oh, I guess I do hear thatthere's something there's
something sticking in my headthat, like he worked on, that
was a biggie.
Uh, it was another comic bookmovie.
Um, oh, son of a bitch, whatthe hell was it?
Hang on a minute uh, you didsay tank girl I did yes and you
know that would have beenanother really big, uh, really
big one.

Speaker 2 (02:21:09):
But um, oh, motherfucker where the hell are
you?

Speaker 6 (02:21:12):
it's a black and white comic book movie.
Um uh sin city.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
Yeah, there you go okay, yeah, you worked on sin
city.

Speaker 6 (02:21:20):
Uh worked on daredevil.
Um, you worked on like allsorts of shit.

Speaker 2 (02:21:26):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:21:26):
So I mean he's got a particular sound to him that is
almost industrial, but it alsohas, like he's all about like
vibe and sound, design andthings like that.
It's not like a John Williamstype of a score.

Speaker 2 (02:21:40):
He is very similar to Hans Zimmer, where he likes to
use those ethnic yes, ethnicinstruments.

Speaker 6 (02:21:47):
A lot of percussion.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
he's very much trying to create like a vibe in an
atmosphere right, and now thatyou've mentioned a whole bunch
of those, I can kind of hear, Ican kind of hear his style in
most of those, like in my headas I'm, as I'm kind of replaying
some of the music from thosemovies in my head, the
similarities, but yeah, I mean,I just the the name, I feel like

(02:22:09):
I should know it, but I justdidn't.
I'm like huh, I'm going to haveto, I'm going to have to ask him
about that.
Um, but I, I did notice in thismovie, though, as I was
listening to it, I was just like, you know, especially with that
Jew Duke and the and the youknow, the Japanese wood flute

(02:22:30):
played at the same time togetheras he was walking down the
alleyway and stuff like that.
It was like God, I don't knowwhat kind of sound that is, but
it's, but it's haunting and andthey picked it like perfectly
for that scene just to give itthat that little bit of
mysticism that needed to be had.
Yeah, just really that littlebit of mysticism needed to be
had.
Yeah, just really really goodstuff.

Speaker 6 (02:22:47):
Yeah, a lot of times like unless you are, you know,
an orchestral nerd, a lot oftimes like movie scores the
common listener is not able tolisten to like a score from like
beginning to end and actuallygive a shit, Like most of the
time, you know, just a regularlistener, they just don't care.
Uh, this is one of them, though.
We're like you can, you canhave this going in the

(02:23:09):
background and it's just goingto be like lo-fi tunes for like
the whole fucking time that it'srunning.

Speaker 2 (02:23:14):
Like you're, you know , even as just a normal listener
, you're okay with it yeah, see,in in growing up, growing up in
a musical home and a movietheater, music, movie music was
always really important for me,sure, and so, like my dad had
kind of taught me the things tolook for between the different

(02:23:35):
composers and how you can kindof see their signature Right, a
lot of them have a signature,like John Williams, obviously,
his is that octave jump, octavejumps, musically, technically,
are ballsy and they tell you notto do it.
Yep, yeah, they go against therules.
I can do it because it's notbecause it is too.

(02:23:57):
It is too epic to do, you knowyeah, you're not.
Williams does it like he'staking a fucking walk in a park,
right?

Speaker 6 (02:24:04):
Well, you know well everything he does.
John williams does it for areason, because when you have
that, that giant like octave,jump it.
You know it's a kick in thepants, right, you know where
you're like yeah all right,let's do this shit.
Uh, and I mean, most of hisscores are, you know, epic, like
heroic let's, let's fuck up theempire kind of uh, you know,
kind of uh scores yeah, and then, and then you've got movies

(02:24:27):
like harry potter that, like youknow, I mean they're everywhere
.

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
I mean just the whole , the whole fucking theme is
nothing but octave jumps andit's.
He just does it so casually, um, and, and so I kind of look for
some of those signature soundsand things like that, and and
his.
I just I didn't recognize um,and, and that's kind of why I
put that in there.
But it really did fit in withkind of the, like you said, the

(02:24:55):
vibe, yeah it's how you put onthere.

Speaker 6 (02:24:59):
I like how you put on there, even though I hate that
term, but it really did build avibe it's because anymore, man,
I mean that's, that's become somuch of a zoomer term, uh, or
yeah, kind of a term of like youknow, yeah, you know the vibe,
right, you know, everything's,everything's a vibe and it's
like just yes, no, you'd likeit's not a noun, all right, you
know you, it's it like, don't,don't do it that way.

(02:25:22):
I know it makes me sound likethe cranky old fuck, but I mean,
mean, I am who I am.

Speaker 2 (02:25:27):
Right.
Well, we're starting to getinto that age where we have to
start practicing to being thecranky old guy in the
neighborhood.

Speaker 6 (02:25:34):
Dude, I've been the get up my lawn guy since I was
like 12.

Speaker 2 (02:25:39):
Okay, I'm going to get up on my mic here real quick
so that I can tell this to youhere.
So that I can tell this to youhere.
I, when I was looking to buy ahouse, I specifically found one
that kids would walk by fromschool, so that I could become
the local legend.
Don't go into that yard.
That's old Manera Woods yard.
I got this big looming houseand I've got windows up in the

(02:26:03):
top of the house that I am sogoing to just make, mysteriously
lit up at night with asilhouette.
It's just going to be acardboard cutout or some shit.
And.

Speaker 6 (02:26:10):
I mean, I'm going to you're in the middle.
That's not going to be thatdifficult.
Like you know you're, you're insmall town, Nebraska.
That's not going to be thatdifficult to to be able to
create that kind of legend.

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
I am going to be a legend, that's.
That's exactly what I was outfor.

Speaker 6 (02:26:29):
I'm that's.

Speaker 2 (02:26:29):
That's exactly what I was out for I'm not gonna be
famous, I may as well beinfamous.
See, jen's got her hand in herhead because she knows every
time we went to a new house togo look at it with our realtor,
I went.
I went straight to the frontwindow and was like, yeah, I
could.
I could terrify kids from thisplace.

Speaker 6 (02:26:43):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:26:46):
Yeah, so, uh, I mean speaking of vibe.
So, uh, cinematography, setdesign, you know, direction from
Proyas and Walski, uh,cinematography was really great
and and yes, you can definitelysee how they how they had uh
kind of recycled some of theirwork with, you know, having
worked in dark city, they, Ithink now there's there's this

(02:27:10):
quote that my dad used to sayyears ago all the time and it
was.
It was when I was I was at homeby myself with my trumpet and I
was just learning how to playand I had a Dizzy Gillespie CD
and I had that in the CD playerin my room and I was trying to
play along with Dizzy Gillespie,which when you're in your first
like five weeks of learning howto play, you know that that's

(02:27:33):
not possible, but I was tryinganyway.
My dad comes home and I'm likeI'm turning off the CD player,
I'm putting my trumpet away andall that stuff, and my dad was
like, what are you doing?
I was like, well, I was justplaying along with a CD.
And he was like, yeah, whatwere you doing?
I was like Dizzy Gillespie andhe was like, oh okay.

(02:27:54):
I was like, just okay, you'rejust going to tell me that it's
okay, and he's like.
He's like, yeah, why?
And I was like I just figuredthat, you know it's well above
my, you know my skill, you knowmy skill level and everything.
And he was like, and then hestopped and he looked at me and
he goes there is nothing wrongwith emulating greatness, and so

(02:28:16):
that stuck with me.
Now, when somebody doessomething right and then they do
it again, you find it excusable.
So even if they did copythemselves when making one movie
and then going to another anddoing the same thing, they
captured it, they figured it out, they successfully found the

(02:28:37):
formula that made what theywanted to make and then they
just recreated it for anotherproject.
And some people really hatethat.
I mean, some people will talk alot of trash about people doing
that.
They'll be like you know well,this movie was just like that
movie and you can totally tell,because it was the same people
that did this.
I think it's.

Speaker 6 (02:28:57):
I think it's fine like if you figure out the
skills yeah, there are somepeople that have like an
identifiable style to them.
You know, like there there are,uh, you know there are a lot of
films where, like yeah, there'ssure you could say that they
just made the the same movieover and over again.
Like, uh, uh, oh, god damn it,the the fucking name is escaping

(02:29:18):
me right now.
But the other, the guy thatmade like all of the teenager
movies back in the 80s, uh, heworked on like weird science and
uh, 16 candles and um, you knowwhat I'm talking about right
like yeah, I mean that yeah,yeah
he, he's known for, like, hemade all the teenager movies,
right, uh, and they, they allhave, you know, very, you know

(02:29:39):
very similar plots and they'reall about, you know, kids that
are like 16, 17 years old,they're coming of age, they're
all that kind of story.
But they're all fucking kind ofstory, but they're all fucking
great, right?
You know, yeah, he had aparticular style and he did it
very well.
You could say the same thingabout the combination of Proyas
and Walski where, like, theydiscovered their particular

(02:30:02):
style and when they were workingon something like Dark City, it
fucking works, like, have youseen dark city?
It fucking you like it works.
You know, like, I mean that thatstory needs that kind of style.
You know that's, that's exactlywhat they're going for on that.
Uh, you know, with walski andhis cinematography, when you
apply and you know, when youlook at like, what he did later,

(02:30:23):
uh, when he's working on likethe alien movies, the newer ones
, uh, you know, like prometheusand covenant, uh, it's still
that kind of that kind of videostyle and it works.
You know for what it was thatthey were trying to capture.
So, if you've got a style, itfuck it, man, go for it.

Speaker 2 (02:30:39):
Why don't you start, you give me, give me one of your
favorite characters.

Speaker 12 (02:30:45):
As cheesy as it is, I would definitely say Star.
Seeing her growth throughoutthe movie and hearing her
narrative of what is going on,how is she processing this?
What are her next steps?
She's just a very wise soul,too wise.
For her age, yeah.
Yeah, there were times you justwanted to hug her and be like,

(02:31:09):
oh my gosh, I wish you didn'tknow or have to know about these
things.
And I just think, seeing herresiliency, yeah, she,
absolutely, she lives up to hername for sure, she's a star.

Speaker 2 (02:31:22):
Well, and on top of that, I think that there's so
much of her story that we don'tthat she has already lived.
Some of her story was not toldto us before, before we come in
into the story Because, likethey talk about periodically
throughout the movie, they talkabout the Hood trio, you know

(02:31:45):
how they were all.
Harry Potter fans, her and hertwo best friends.
And when the movie started, oneof them was already dead.
Yeah, um, because because ofsimilar, uh, similar situation.
So it's like this is not newfor her.
I mean experiencing it the waythat she is, that she does in
this movie is new.

(02:32:05):
Like being that close to thesituation was new.
But other than that, like thisis not, it's almost like just
Tuesday.

Speaker 12 (02:32:14):
Yeah, for this girl.
A lot of, I think, the peoplearound her too, like death is
very like, oh, I'm going to diewhen I'm old.
And for her it's very muchopposite.
It's like this could be my lastday, my last five minutes, and
that's because of the traumathat, like, this poor child has

(02:32:34):
already gone through and I don'treally think that she before um
, the death of her friend thatwe see in the movie happen, um,
that she had actually likeprocessed through that.
I think, yeah, like you said,it was just so normal because
you don't know anythingdifferent.
And yeah, I think that is oneof the hardest things is, like

(02:32:55):
when you see them actively goingthrough it, but they don't
really know how bad it is.
Because for us, we look at itfrom the outside and we're like,
oh my god, like this poor child, this family, like very much,
has gone through absolute hell.
And, yeah, for them it's justanother, another day.

Speaker 2 (02:33:12):
And you can definitely see that divide, like
I mean I had put in here on onkind of some of the talking
points, the you know, the thestar versus Williamson star or
star 2.0, versus Williamson staror star 2.0, the, the one that
she is at home, uh, in in gardenGrove, I think is what it's
called.

(02:33:32):
I think so.
And her when she's at school areare two completely different
people, because the people thatshe sees at school they don't
understand it.
They don't, they're not a partof that life, they're not a part
of that culture or anything.
They a lot of them like tothink that they are, but uh, but

(02:33:56):
she, she just plays along, uhin in a way that is very uh
vanilla.
But you can definitely see,like especially in some of the
situations that she comes inafter, after the, the incident
in the movie, like the way thatpeople talk to her when she's,
when she's getting sick, aftershe wakes up the first time,
going to sleep, after her, afterwatching her friend get shot.
Her dad says the first morningis always the worst yeah you

(02:34:20):
know, and and it's like, wait asecond.
always like, like, like.
This is Like, this is almost arite of passage and like how
many times have you gone throughthis Do?
You know, what to expect.
And you know how to prepareanother person in your child
Like he knew to be sitting nextto her bed when she woke up,

(02:34:42):
like I don't know, I, I thatcomes back to the whole white
privilege thing I I never wouldhave thought of that.

(02:35:03):
Um, that's, that's somethingthat I never had to think about.
Uh, at least not until we getinto the talking points.
Now, one one that I was kind ofsurprised with how I felt about
um was her boyfriend.
I I thought I was gonna hatehim.
I really did.

Speaker 12 (02:35:21):
I thought I was gonna hate that kid just like I
thought he was gonna be avillain, like he was gonna be
part of like the awful things,and I was surprised when he was
a little bit of a hero a bit ofa dork hero, but a total hero,
like some of the things that hedid for star.

Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
Just because he cared for her, uh, went, went beyond
reason and went beyond logic andwent beyond self-preservation.
Yeah.
Uh, I mean when, when he walkedinto King's house with star to
go get seven.
I was like the first thing thathappened, the first thing that

(02:36:02):
went through my mind was kid,get the fuck out of there.
What are you doing?
What are you doing in agangbanger's home when his, when
he's not home and his wife islike get out?
But it was uh.
But I mean he, he didn't care,he didn't think twice about it,
he just went right up, got, youknow, helped, helped the kids
get out of the house, get intohis Range Rover and take off

(02:36:24):
Like and, and then then tookthem to the rally, like the, the
, the protest downtown andeverything like that, and then
helped everybody through that.
Yeah, I don't know, I reallyliked him.
What about?
What about another one of yourfavorites?

Speaker 12 (02:36:37):
I would say star's mom, I think kind of like her
dad.
They always just like knew howto comfort her.
And it's equally as sad as itis sweet, because again it's
like they are so prepared.
It's just part of their routine.
But I think they were amazingand calm.
But I think they were amazingand calm and, honestly, I wish

(02:37:05):
all parents were like they are,because they, yeah, just knew
what to expect.
She was very, very like.
She gave Star the space thatshe needed, but she was always
there and made herself available, and I think, yeah, that's part
of the reason why, too, I wisheveryone could watch.
This is just like get somepoints on be there for your kids
, cause she did it.

Speaker 2 (02:37:25):
It was kind of nice to have her there, because she
was there thinking, thinking thethings that nobody else was
like do we need to get a lawyerfor this girl, because the hood
isn't going to like her talking.
But it's not the right thing tonot talk you know and and
things like.
Like I mean she was.
She was the first one to putherself in star's position and
be like.

(02:37:45):
Y'all need to take a moment andrecognize what what position
this girl is in.
One of my other favorites wasMaverick her dad, um, I think
the reason why why I lovedMaverick so much was because he
was smart and understanding whenhe needed to be.
He was tough when he needed tobe.
I know you're supposed to bemad at him for doing it and

(02:38:08):
everything, but after they havethe bullets going through the
windows and everything, he gothis family safe and then he went
back because that sayssomething that a lot of people,
I think, don't understand thatit is it's a little bit machismo
, but not really Like there's athing about it.
That is just this is my homeand I am here to protect it.

(02:38:30):
I have what's important to meinside the home, somewhere safe,
but I am going to protect myhome.
Yeah that he was able to do thatsafe, but I am going to protect
my home.
Yeah, that he was able to dothat.
That's something that you seein men, regardless of where they
live, what color they are anyof those things I would be the
same way.
And to see him be able to dothat full scope, everything from

(02:38:52):
being supportive to beingprotector and then handing off
that mantle of pride to hisdaughter, especially like right
there at the end of the movie um, it was just, it was great.
I, I loved it.

Speaker 12 (02:39:05):
Everything about maverick was just really great
for me I agree I think a lot ofparents, um, in that situation,
like when the bullets wereflying, would have just like
gone out there and tried tofight whoever was doing that to
them and like not reallyinstantly, think, like okay, my
family comes first and then Iprotect those around me.
And I love that he again wasjust like prepared and he was

(02:39:28):
thinking like thinking correctlyand not acting out of like the
fight or flight, like he wasvery, very I can tell where like
star got her wisdom and herstrength from and it's
absolutely shown through, yeah,both her mom and dad yeah, I
think the like, an importantdistinction with that, is that I
think I think I would have feltdifferently about maverick

(02:39:50):
leaving his family with carlos.

Speaker 2 (02:39:53):
I think I think I would have felt differently
about how he handled thatsituation if, instead of going
to his home, he would have gonelooking for King.
Yeah, but he didn't.
He went to, he went to his homeand he waited, and that that
shows a, that shows a lot ofwisdom and a lot of control.
Yeah, and again I think.

(02:40:13):
I think that shows a lot ofwhere star got it.
Now, something that is kind ofquestionable is taking his boy
with him.
That was a little bit.
I was a little bit angry withhim about that.
Like you should have left yourkid at home.
I'm just saying.
But at the same time, you know,I mean I don't know the dynamic

(02:40:35):
in that of you know, well, thisis going to be you someday and
you're going to have to learnhow to protect your home, you
know, or or that, but uh, buteither way I don't know.
So now, now we kind of get intoactive ingredient territory.
Active ingredients are kind of,you know, whatever any, any
part of this movie that washealing for you, that was, that

(02:40:58):
was medicinal for you.
That changed your perspective,changed your mind on something,
made you better.
Anything it could even becatharsis, anything about this
that was medicinal for you.
What was your active ingredient?

Speaker 1 (02:41:11):
Probably the topic of beauty, how beauty is not
always what it seems.
I think society has deemed onething to be beautiful and it's
like no, everything is beautiful.
There's beauty in everything,and that's what Sophie kind of
learns Is everything isbeautiful, including myself.

(02:41:33):
Sophie starts out being likeI'm not beautiful, I don't look
like what people want and stufflike that.
And then Howl comes along.
He's like Sophie, I love you,you're beautiful to me.
And Sophie learns it reallydoesn't matter how I look to
other people, as long as I lovemyself and I love the people
around me who think I'mbeautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:41:56):
It kind of reminds me of I did an episode on the Last
Samurai.
Have you ever seen that thesamurai was talking to Tom
Cruise and he was telling himthat a perfect cherry blossom is
a rare thing.
You could spend your whole lifelooking for one and it wouldn't
be a wasted life.
It all came to a point wherethe samurai realized that all of

(02:42:17):
the cherry blossoms are perfect.
It gives me the same kind offlavor as that.
I really appreciate that.
For me, uh, for me, not notquite so deep my, the active
ingredient for me was, uh, Iwatched, I watched Sophie have a
little bit of a freak out aboutbeing old, right at the
beginning, right, and, and afterthat she just kind of seemed to

(02:42:41):
accept it and go with the flow.
I turned 40 this year.
I've been kind of feeling mymortality a little bit like in
in a really weird way, not likeI don't even know that it's like
midlife crisis sort of way, butlike, but there there are
definitely times where I startto think to myself as I'm, as
I'm thinking about things that Iwant to do or or pursue or

(02:43:03):
whatever.
I think to myself that I don'thave as long to do those things,
as I always used to think.
Watching Sophie just go withbeing old and that being old
didn't mean you have to bemiserable it kind of makes me
embrace my age and think of itkind of in the way that that I
can go into the second half ofmy life with some power in my
stride, cause she, shedefinitely did Like she.

(02:43:25):
She went from being a youngwoman to an old woman in no time
, and yet she was.
She was going to travel acrossthe countryside.
Nothing was going to stop her,and so that's kind of what I,
that's kind of what I took fromit was just because I'm 40
doesn't mean that I can't learnhow to do new things, that I
can't learn to do those thingsthat that I always wanted to,

(02:43:47):
and that I still have plenty oftime.
I don't know.
That's that's just kind of whatI took from it.
Despite the differences betweenthe kind of nerd that Spider-Man
was in 62 versus, you know, thenewer version, he embodies a
theme in this movie thatSpider-Man fans I think could

(02:44:10):
all really appreciate and reallylove, and that's that he's a
hero, with or without the bite.
I mean that goes right into,you know the next talking point,
the underdog hero.
They gave us a scenespecifically to show us just
what kind of human being PeterParker was.
You know, he wasn't Spider-Man,he was just a kid.

(02:44:32):
He walks out into the you knowsome kind of courtyard or
something like that, where Flashis Bean Flash.
He's got a flash.
He's got a kid uh, inclined facefirst into a plate of food, uh,
dunking his face into the, intothe kid's lunch, and flashes Uh

(02:44:53):
, he's.
He's yelling at Peter to take apicture.
Well, he won't take the pictureand keeps telling him to put
him down and Flash refuses to doso.
And then that's, when he puthim down, eugene and everybody's
just like, oh shit, you know.
And then, of course, flashthrows the underclassmen that

(02:45:13):
he's dunking, that he's dunkinginto his lunch, throws him off
to the side.

Speaker 8 (02:45:21):
And Peter like automatically, like first thing,
tries to go and see if thatother kid was okay.
He wasn't worried about himselfor his wellbeing, he was
worried about the kids.

Speaker 2 (02:45:30):
Right, despite the fact that he I mean, there was
no way that he didn't see flashcoming for him.
So, even though the initialresponse for just about anybody
is self-preservation, this giantmotherfucker is coming after me
, so I need to, I need to put anarm up or something to guard

(02:45:50):
myself, even if I am goingtowards it.
And he didn't nothing at all.
He just went straight to gocheck on, check on that kid and
caught a hell of a right handfrom Flash, knocked him on the
ground, got kicked a couple oftimes.
But then then we get a showingof why Gwen has her very own
spider spinoff.

(02:46:10):
She comes in as the hero forPeter Parker standing up to
Flash, telling him you know,divert his attention elsewhere
and he needs to pay a little bitmore attention to school.

Speaker 8 (02:46:22):
so so okay, in the first spider-man like trilogy,
flash and mj were together.
Was spider.
Excuse me, was gwen and flashtogether in this one, or was she
just like his tutor?

Speaker 2 (02:46:38):
no, I think, I think that she was just tutoring him.
I mean, honestly, could you,could you imagine her bringing
that home to captain stacy?
Probably wouldn't go over wellguys like that.

Speaker 8 (02:46:54):
They, they can definitely turn on the charm,
even though they're you knowbutt faces yeah, we'll call them
that yeah, no, I think I.

Speaker 2 (02:47:07):
I'm pretty sure that there wasn't any sort of
romantic involvement in thisuniverse between those two.
But he finds a hero in g forhim.

Speaker 8 (02:47:17):
What's your name?
You?
Don't know my name.
Oh, I know your name.
I'm trying to see if you knowyour name.

Speaker 2 (02:47:26):
That's great.

Speaker 8 (02:47:27):
And then she kind of after he says Peter but doesn't
say his last name, she kind oflike Peter, keep going, keep
going.

Speaker 2 (02:47:38):
It was just really good and a really good way to
introduce the two together andjust kind of show a little bit
of chemistry between thecharacters In a very subtle way,
I guess.
But after all that there's alittle bit of stuff before Peter
goes home and that is enterUncle Ben and Aunt May.
Now we're not really going totalk a whole lot about Aunt May,

(02:48:00):
because Aunt May I kind of feellike in this movie she's very,
very background.

Speaker 8 (02:48:06):
Until the end.
Yeah, she's more background.

Speaker 2 (02:48:09):
Right and that's OK.
Like I mean, it really is OKthat that Aunt May isn't isn't
the star or anything like that,because and you're not just
saying that because you don'treally care for the actress I,
you know it's not even reallythat she will have her time to
shine, and that's in the sequel.
She is fantastic in the sequel,yes, and honestly it's not even

(02:48:33):
that.
I hate sally field.
I just I couldn't look at thewoman without getting pissed
because of because of mrsdoubtfire.
Yeah, I love that movie yeah,man, sally field made me hate
sally field because of, becauseof mrs doubtfire, without
talking too much about it.
The sequel totally, totallyrevived her with me.

(02:48:56):
Uh, she did so good in amazingSpider-Man 2.
Fantastic job.
So that's really where she'sgoing to shine is someday when I
do that episode.
So since she's reallybackground, then that means that
the focus really is more onUncle Ben.
As far as I'm concerned, martinSheen is the best Uncle Ben

(02:49:19):
since the original.

Speaker 8 (02:49:20):
I don't know.
I can think of an Uncle Benthat I like more, yeah, but I'm
not your Uncle Ben.

Speaker 2 (02:49:26):
That's true.
I'm just an Uncle Ben.

Speaker 8 (02:49:28):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (02:49:30):
But seriously there's so many parts about him that
are really great.
You would put down that youknow May and Ben had treated
Peter like they, like he wastheir own and everything which
that already kind of takes takesa special kind of person or
whatever.
But he was.
He was supportive, he was hardwhen he needed to be, but he was

(02:49:50):
also humble.
Martin Sheen's version of UncleBen seems very much likely to
be a very big part of the reasonwhy Peter is such a hero before
he becomes a superhero.

Speaker 8 (02:50:03):
Well, yeah, like with how upset he got with Peter
when he found out that hehumiliated Flash he just yeah,
the kid did you wrong, but doyou really want to treat someone
like that?

Speaker 2 (02:50:20):
So he did something bad to you and you wanted to get
him back.
Revenge isn't a good reason todo that.
It has to come from little bitsof insight like that, and
that's why Peter Parker is theway that he is.
It doesn't strike me as normalthat he would have gotten into
fights or anything like that orhumiliated somebody, but I'm
guessing that when he wasyounger, that was probably

(02:50:42):
something that he had gottensome lessons from Uncle Ben
about.
Yeah, I don't know.
I really like Martin Sheen'sUncle Ben.
He does a great job.

Speaker 8 (02:50:53):
And when Peter tells him that he's a good dad, the
joy and the pride that he tookin just hearing Peter say that.

Speaker 2 (02:51:04):
It's a really good feeling for somebody to know
that they're appreciated forsomething that they've put so
much time into, that they've putso much effort and so much love
.
You know, when they put thatmuch into a person and try to
create something good to go outinto the world, that takes a lot
of hard work.
And so, yeah, with with Petertelling, telling Uncle Ben, you

(02:51:26):
know you're a good dad.
That was the reward that he washe was able to reap.
I also like how you have inhere on your on your talking
points, the ugly red book thatdoesn't fit on the shelf.

Speaker 6 (02:51:46):
The DOD Rainbowd rainbow books.
Yes, those are real.
Uh, yeah, oh yeah, no, they're.
Yeah, they're totally fuckingreal.
Uh, yeah, those are.
You know those?
There are easter eggs allthrough this fucking movie.
You know of legitimate thingsin hacker culture and in
cyberpunk culture.
There are little Easter eggs,little nods to all sorts of
legitimate shit.
And yeah, those rainbow booksthat he pops out with.

(02:52:06):
I mean, those are all realthings.
They were very real and verylegitimate in that particular
time period.
Yeah, the big red book thatdoesn't fit on a shelf.
Yeah, that was DOD Secure Lines, if I remember correctly yeah

(02:52:27):
you guys still got me yes okay,cool, just yeah it.
It went quiet for a second.
I'm paranoid at this point I'mlike oh shit no, you're good.
Dod rainbow books the uh, the uhtechnical advisors that they
got on this movie.
I mean, they, they actuallytalked to the technical
consultants that they have.
Uh, they're legitimate hackers.
Uh, they are a lot of guys thatwere actually part of the

(02:52:49):
culture, uh, you know, that wereconsidered, you know, leet, as
they, uh, as they say in themovie, uh, you know they, they
got a lot of legitimate guys toconsult on this movie.
You know, guys that were partof, like, legion of doom and, uh
, you know, and I think I thinkKevin Mitnick, uh, you know, was
talked to, was talked to onthis.
Um, I mean, you, you've gotguys that actually did some shit

(02:53:13):
.
Here's what you do to make thisa legitimate hacker movie.

Speaker 2 (02:53:16):
That's awesome.

Speaker 6 (02:53:17):
Like some of the technical visuals are terrible,
right, and we know this, we beatit to death.
But there are also other thingsof just talking about the
culture of cyberpunk and theculture of hacking and some of
the legitimate techniques thatwere done and the little nods to
things of the community, thoseare absolutely legitimate, like

(02:53:39):
I had said right at thebeginning.

Speaker 2 (02:53:40):
Like hacking, hacking is boring to watch, um, so they
had to do something likevisually just to make it a
little bit more interesting.
Like ddos, attacks are notinteresting to anybody oh god,
no, no.

Speaker 6 (02:53:54):
yeah, ddos is bullshit, but uh, if you do but
if you do it correctly thoughyou can cripple a fucking nation
.

Speaker 2 (02:54:02):
Well, don't even get me started on freaking DDoS
attacks.
Because I had the day onChristmas Day I had my family
got together and bought me anXbox One when they were new and
I went home and I hooked thatmotherfucker up and I had a fast
internet connection and I wasready to play some games.

(02:54:24):
And you know what I couldn't do?
I couldn't play any gamesbecause fucking Lizard Squad had
DDoS'd the shit out of Xbox andI couldn't fucking play.
For two days after I got abrand new Xbox, I was pissed.

Speaker 8 (02:54:38):
I'll bet.

Speaker 6 (02:54:43):
But oh and is that what you have?
No, that's not the uh.
That's not the uh.
The attack on din uh, that wasuh, okay, okay different.

Speaker 2 (02:54:50):
No, so uh yeah it was around the same time uh, yeah,
it would have been.

Speaker 6 (02:54:54):
Uh, you know, it definitely would have been.
Um, yeah, what?
What I have in the other notesis talking about the mirai
botnet, and mirai was all oflike the internet of things uh,
bullshit that's out there.
It was mostly security cameras.
They would, uh, they would usedefault passwords to get into
these security cameras.
They would uh, infect it withthis, uh, you know, with their

(02:55:17):
the, the botnet, with the virus,and then they would just keep
going from there, you know, andthey would infect other you know
piece of shit iot cameras andcontinue to like, take them over
.
And then one day they all justdecided, okay, we're gonna send
a bunch of fucking pings, whichis really just like an
acknowledgement, right, we'regonna send just a bunch of pings

(02:55:38):
and we're going to DDoS theliving fuck out of the largest
DNS provider in the country andwe're just going to overflow
their systems and we're going tojust wait until this bitch
crashes.
And when that crashes, that tookwith them things like Netflix,
aws, amazon in general, allsorts of really big shit that

(02:56:00):
people depend on.
They crashed all of it.
There was like 70 differentcompanies that were affected in
this, if I remember correctly,and it knocked out everybody for
almost an entire business day,cost a shitload of money.
I was in the middle of teachinga firewall uh, like a firewall
instructional class when thiswent down and we couldn't access

(02:56:21):
the other.
We couldn't access thematerials that we needed, so it
was me in a room with four otherguys where we're just like, all
right, well, I guess we'll fuckoff for the day.
Um, I can't do anything else,because the internet doesn't
work right, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:56:35):
Uh, that's pretty crazy, uh did.
Did they ever figure out whothat was?

Speaker 6 (02:56:42):
No, To my knowledge, they still don't know who
actually is behind thatparticular botnet.
There are thoughts Starts withan R ends with an N.
They're kind of in the middleof another skirmish right now.
They're kind of in the middleof another skirmish right now,
but yeah, there are suspicionsas to who may be behind it, but

(02:57:05):
as far as I know, they don'thave like a smoking gun.

Speaker 2 (02:57:11):
I mean a lot of the time with that kind of shit, a
lot of the time.

Speaker 6 (02:57:14):
If they don't want you to know you're not gonna for
a number of reasons they can'tlet you know because of, uh, you
know, security reasons, uh, andI mean the fuck you're gonna do
.
Right, you know most of theseplaces.
If they're from other countries, they don't.
There's no extradition.
Come get me right, go ahead,sanction me, charge me.

Speaker 2 (02:57:32):
Come get my ass yep, now I remember that a little bit
more.

Speaker 6 (02:57:36):
I mean, it's not um yeah, the lizard squad thing
that was funny nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:57:42):
That lizard squad thing was not funny.
It was not funny, god damn it.
I wanted to play.
I wanted to play fucking.
What was it?
It was destiny was when Iwanted to play.
I wanted to go through afucking raid on destiny so bad,
and I couldn't on my brand newxbox one, because I want to play
on my toy download updates itwas so my christmas it was a bad

(02:58:04):
.
It was a bad great christmas,okay.
It just it really sucked, andall because of a bunch of lizard
dicks.

Speaker 6 (02:58:10):
I hated them guys oh no, I get it, I get it.
And the thing with, like with addos attack, there isn't shit
you can do, there isn't agoddamn thing you can do.
That like that is.

Speaker 2 (02:58:20):
It's all upstream to where, like your internet
service provider, they're theonly ones that can do anything
about it and most of the timethey can't do shit they don't
know, but yeah, they, becausethey they'd have to know, they'd
have to know everything aboutit in order, in order to do
anything, they got to know whereit's all coming from, and when,
when you have a, when you havea ddos, specifically distributed

(02:58:41):
denial of service, that meansit's coming at you from all
sides.

Speaker 6 (02:58:45):
Man, it's a fucking cocky.
There ain't shit you can doabout it.

Speaker 2 (02:58:55):
Oh shit, I warned you I warned you.
I love it, good stuff.
I mean I hate it, but I love it.
So, um, yeah, don't don't, asas my uh, my producer is just
telling me right now to, to tellyou all, please do not Google
Bukake, Uh, that's, and if youdo, and it's not my fault, I'm

(02:59:19):
just saying yeah, no, not on us,not on us I'm now.
I'm kind of curious as towhether my producer is telling
me not to tell people to do thatbecause she did.
No, okay, just making sure.

Speaker 6 (02:59:32):
I'm just just making you know you'd think, at this
point it's almost just becomelike a regular colloquial.
But you know.

Speaker 2 (02:59:39):
You would think so, but no.

Speaker 6 (02:59:40):
Maybe it's just because I'm a bad person.

Speaker 2 (02:59:43):
Maybe it's because we're horrible people.
So anyway, now that we're in awholesome part of our discussion
, sure, so this movie was foundafter scrolling for 13 hours
through Netflix pages when wewere in a show hole.

(03:00:05):
Yeah, yeah, I found Jen, foundit actually.

Speaker 4 (03:00:08):
Please tell me you weren't doing 13 hours straight.

Speaker 2 (03:00:11):
Well, that's kind of how it feels.
I mean trying to scroll throughNetflix after you're done with
a show or something you're like.
So what do I watch now?
And then you, then you prettymuch spend about the amount of
time that you would watchingsomething.

Speaker 4 (03:00:25):
I do hate it, just scrolling through.

Speaker 2 (03:00:26):
Yeah, it sucks so.
So scrolling for what felt like13 hours through Netflix uh,
jen found it.
Yes.
She actually basically we'retalking about how awesome Adam
Driver is.
And then she was like oh look,adam Driver.
So yeah, we were in a show holeand Adam Driver bursts into

(03:00:49):
action.

Speaker 4 (03:00:50):
You do know that there is like a feature where
you can type in an actor and itwill give you.

Speaker 2 (03:00:55):
Right, right.
Well, we didn't.
We weren't thinking about that,we were just scrolling and then
bullshitting at the same time.

Speaker 4 (03:01:00):
That's how we spend quality time together scrolling
and bullshitting sounds like alot of quality.

Speaker 2 (03:01:08):
Yes, yes, lots of quality time that way, um, but
uh, this, uh, this adam drivermovie brings a sci-fi adventure
right to your living room.
We're talking about 65 today.
Basic info on this movie it's aNetflix original released in
2023.
Written and directed by ScottBeck and Brian Woods.

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Stars Adam Driver, arianaGreenblatt and Chloe Coleman.
The IMDB description this isJamie's thing.
An astronaut crash, lands on amysterious planet, only to
discover he's not alone.

Speaker 4 (03:01:48):
It's like, not a description.
I have figured it out, Ben.
I want you to know I havethought about this long and hard
, Especially when I listen toyour episodes that I'm not in
and you mention how much I'mgoing gonna hate this
description or like thisdescription.
Um, I have decided.
These aren't subs likedescriptions.
These are like subtitles.
There's the title and then thesubtitle.

(03:02:09):
This is like the subtitle.
It's not a description okay somaybe you should start
rebranding it that way.
Maybe IMDb will follow suit.
The IMDb subtitle to this movieis I don't know.
It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (03:02:24):
Some of them aren't so bad, though, Like there's
been a couple of them thatweren't so bad.

Speaker 4 (03:02:29):
When you can get more information on the back of a
book sleeve.
It's not a description.
Well, I guess, that's just mythought.

Speaker 2 (03:02:37):
But still, I don't know this one, this one's not
great, but I'm pretty sure I'mjust going to make sure that all
of them that we do are onesthat have really bad ones, just
so that I can get you all riledup.

Speaker 4 (03:02:50):
And I'll be talking about it for weeks.
It's not hard to do.

Speaker 2 (03:02:56):
So initial movie impression.
So initial movie impression um,cinematography surprised me, uh
, as as it does all the timewith netflix originals.
Um, I mean, when you, when youreally think about it, like how
great is, is netflix quality?
Um, as far as theircinematography lighting and all
of that stuff, like I mean theyreally do do a great job, even

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special effects like it.

Speaker 4 (03:03:20):
It is kind of amazing yeah and all that stuff has
just gotten cheaper, so netflixcan do it easier.

Speaker 2 (03:03:27):
I think what it is is that I think that people are
just.
I think that more, morehomegrown special effects people
are just being given anopportunity because, like it
used to be that there were, youknow that there were like 150
special effects people inHollywood and everybody had to
fight for their time and therewere a few innovators and things

(03:03:51):
like that.
But now, with computers andcomputer power and everything
being so available and specialeffects programming and things
like that being more available,I mean I have everything I need
to do, all of the things thatare in this movie.

Speaker 4 (03:04:11):
Well, let's not even I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:04:12):
If we want to go down a social rabbit hole, I suppose
you could probably do a lot ofthat crap with ai anymore too
well, yeah, yeah, I wouldn'ttrust it, though, because then
you know, I mean, if we're beinghonest, you might end up with a
dinosaur, dinosaur with likesome kind of male appendage
coming out of its forehead, um,which wouldn't be good for for

(03:04:35):
net.

Speaker 4 (03:04:36):
Ooh, alien dinosaur with a mega hat.

Speaker 2 (03:04:39):
Alien dinosaur with a Make America Great Again hat.

Speaker 4 (03:04:43):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (03:04:46):
We already had one.
I'm just.
I'm just woo.
That's encroaching on politicalstuff here.

Speaker 4 (03:04:55):
I can't help it.
It's kind of been a politicalweek for me, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:04:59):
Yeah Well, I mean, that is kind of kind of your
skis when it comes to podcasting.

Speaker 4 (03:05:05):
Well, yeah, as we're talking about that, the cool
thing is that you got to see atthe end, you got to see the aha
of the development of probablystep 10.

Speaker 2 (03:05:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:05:21):
Yeah, because it was like that moment where he
realized the outward showing ofsuccess Isn't what makes you a
winner.
It's the process that you gothrough to get there right, it's
the lessons you learn along theway, it's the the hard work you
put in, it's um, it's finishingthe race.
Those all make you a winner.

(03:05:42):
Like it's not.
Hey, I've got a million dollarsin the bank and I'm on a talk
show circuit or something likethat you know and that was, I
think that was, the coolest partis when you saw him, his whole
mindset shifted and it was likeyou know what?

Speaker 2 (03:06:00):
Screw it, this is what we, we're gonna teach my
kid today, when his attachmentto image was was finally let go,
that that you know what a whata thing looks like does not
denote its value.
Because that, I mean, to becompletely honest, that's what I
hated about this guy throughmost of the movie was it just

(03:06:22):
felt like he was just so focusedon the image and it's like,
dude, just let it go.
Then, yeah, and then you'reright, like when, when he's at a
pageant and they're telling himto take his daughter off the
stage and he's and he's given amoment to think about, I mean,

(03:06:42):
even even just before that,before all of went out, he and
the whole family like, well,okay, not the whole family, it
was him and Frank and Dwayne,they were all.
Mom, you cannot let her go outthere Like they're going to tear
her to shreds.

Speaker 4 (03:07:03):
Well, and I love that because it was so protective,
like it wasn't, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (03:07:08):
It wasn't like we don't have confidence in our
family member.

Speaker 4 (03:07:12):
And it wasn't embarrassment, it was protection
.

Speaker 2 (03:07:16):
We don't want her to get hurt you and was at the same
time, god, what a mom like.
No, you guys shut up and and lether live her dream yeah like,
and it had nothing to do withthe fact that they just drove
700 miles.
It had nothing to do with thefact that they had to run every

(03:07:38):
time they wanted to start theirvan up.
It had nothing to do with thefact that they had to run every
time they wanted to start theirvan up.
It had nothing to do with thefact that the grandpa was dead.
It had nothing to do with anyof that.
All of it was about Olive'sdream.

Speaker 4 (03:07:50):
Well, and and I think one of the things that I loved
about that scene too, it waslike this whole time, the whole
movie, you look at this familyand you're like holy crap,
they're so weird.
You have a sense that they arethe weirdest people on the
planet.
And then you put them and youpluck them out of what you've
been watching them in, and youpluck them into a beauty pageant

(03:08:12):
and suddenly they're normal,Because that was like a weirder
situation right, Like the reallyweird people were now around
them and they were the cool,normal people and I loved that
shift in perspective as a viewerof that.
It was amazing, it wasabsolutely amazing and I also I

(03:08:32):
think I think it speaks a lothow the family circled around
the dream of one of their peopleand it was like I saw that
missing with dad's dream and itwas there for all of stream.
And I almost think because thisis something I do all the time

(03:08:53):
I think about what happens nextin the movie.
Why?
Because there's no, there's nosequel.
So what?
What was next?
And I wonder, after dad wasable to shift his perspective a
bit, if they were able to buyinto his dream too and buy into
Dwayne's dream and you know whatI mean Like how good that is
for family and and the synergyfor a family and the connections

(03:09:16):
in a family to rally around adream of one of them and support
them in that.
So, yeah, I jumped around alittle bit on my list.

Speaker 2 (03:09:27):
Yeah, I was.
I was going oh shit, where'sthe being with?
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (03:09:34):
that was one of the things that I loved the most.
It's almost like they were ableto rally around Olive, because
Olive was so supportive of allof them, you know what I mean,
oh yeah.
She showed care for everysingle one of them throughout
the entire movie.
When Uncle Frank came and hehad the bandages on his wrist,
well, what happened?

(03:09:54):
And I think a lot of times, asparents, we think that our kids
are just being invasive andasking a bunch of senseless,
annoying questions.
I think she was seeking tounderstand.
And then, like, even in the vanshe's like yeah, I think you're
going to go to heaven, you knowwhat I mean Like.
So she showed all of this careand concern throughout the movie
and the time that it made thebiggest impact was with Dwayne,

(03:10:20):
you know, when he found out hewas colorblind and probably
wouldn't be able to fly jetplanes, and he freaked out and
broke his silence and none ofthe rest of them knew what to do
.
And so dad suggests Olive goesand talks to him, and all she
did was walk down to him and puther arm around him and put her
head on his shoulder and in thatmoment, being with him was

(03:10:45):
enough of a connection for himto understand.

Speaker 2 (03:10:48):
Did you notice in that scene when they stood up
she went and gave him the hugand then they stood up and
started walking up the hill.
Did you see the sign in thefield behind him Said united, we
stand.
Oh.
Yeah yeah, I love that.

Speaker 6 (03:11:09):
You know you can kind of see them coming from a mile
away.
You know, like the engineerthat they find, right, you know
the engineer that they find andthey know that he's infected and
they take him onto the shipanyway.
Which you're just.
You're sitting there the wholetime going wait a minute there.
No, that, that fucker's got axenomorph in him.
Like why are you?
Why are you taking him onto theship?

(03:11:30):
Why are you taking him onto thebetty?
That guy's fucked, like he'sgot something in him.
You know at any point he'sgoing to uh, you know he's going
to have a chestburster pop out.
Why, why are you doing this?
this is this is dumb.
And then it winds up being likeuh, you know you, you familiar
with, uh, with chekhov's gun,you know the, the concept of

(03:11:50):
chekhov's gun yes okay.
So, uh, you know this, yeah,like I call this like chekhov's
xenomorph, you know, orcheckoff's chestburster to where
, like you see the, uh, you seethe engineer, you know he's
fucked, you know that thatchestburster is going to happen,
you know right.
So, like you, you know thatthat's, that's going to be
something that is going to comeup later on in the plot later,

(03:12:12):
and then when it does, and itcomes up as like the way to to
kill the, the other, you knowthe, the company man, right, you
know where, like thechestburster pops through his
fucking head, right, and youknow like that's the worst use
of Chekhov's gun I've ever seen.
Like that was fucking stupid.

Speaker 2 (03:12:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I can definitely go alongwith that.

Speaker 6 (03:12:35):
Like so much build-up , you introduced this new
character that that again,nobody gave a shit about that.
They've got to carry throughboth of the ships.
They they take him onto thebetty even though you, as the
audience member, are screamingthe entire time.
This is stupid.
It's a bad idea.
You're gonna wind up with achestburster on your fucking
ship and then they use it as away to kill this.

(03:12:58):
Like you know, subplot bad guythat you don't give a shit about
either.
It was just.
It was so dumb, so dumb.

Speaker 2 (03:13:05):
The I will.
I will say, though, that thatone of the notes that I had that
I had taken down was that, uh,of all of the people in this
movie, that that guy, thatnameless dude, had about the
most had, about the mostemotional performance of anybody
in this entire movie.

(03:13:26):
Just like just in that one scenewhere they're talking about him
, about like with him there, butlike he's like what's inside of
me, what's inside of me, andnobody's fucking answering him,
and like that's the only timeyou can really relate somebody,
yeah, and you're like wouldsomebody please fucking answer
the man you know?
And then what's that fuckingside bay?

(03:13:46):
And then you're like no shit,like answer him.
So I mean that's that's theonly time in that movie that
somebody was able to portraysomething that I was like, that
I could really empathize with,and and I didn't notice that
until this last time that Iwatched it was god, I don't.
I don't empathize with anybodyat all in this entire movie,

(03:14:08):
ever, except for that one pointyeah, yeah and and that's that's
so that guy should have gottenan award.
Yeah, right because he was ableto portray a character with some
feeling in a movie that had nofeeling at all no, none, yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:14:26):
I mean I've, I've got just so many, so many things in
my, in my notes here of, likeyou know, yeah, so and so
deserved better, so and sodeserved better.
Uh, red dorif's character justfucking die already like jesus
christ man.

Speaker 2 (03:14:42):
Yeah, uh, just so many things I do have to say how
cool it was, how cool it was towatch this movie and then, like
I mean, I didn't care anythingabout it when I was watching it
the first time, you know, backin 97, but since watching
breaking bad.
Seeing Tuco Salamanca as aMarine was fucking badass.

Speaker 9 (03:15:06):
Like you know, like you got an alien inside you
Tight, tight, tight yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:15:12):
Fucking Raymond Cruz man.
I love that fucking guy, thatguy that guy will always be uh
he will always be chewy to that.
Guy will always be chewy To me.
He will always be chewy fromfucking Blood In, blood Out.

Speaker 5 (03:15:23):
He will always be that fucking guy.
That's why I have it in mynotes Space Cholo.

Speaker 2 (03:15:30):
That's a movie I have not seen in a long time.
I'm going to have to watch thatagain.

Speaker 6 (03:15:35):
I watch that movie like once a year.
I love that fucking movie.
It takes you like a week and ahalf to get through and you will
, you will start to talk likeyou're from certain, like
neighborhoods of grand islandbut uh, you know, but that movie
is amazing.

Speaker 2 (03:15:47):
I love that fucking movie speaking of comedic level,
I I love how your note simplysays heemsworth, hemsworth's
death.

Speaker 6 (03:16:00):
Lol, just I mean it was so ridiculous, right.

Speaker 2 (03:16:08):
Yeah, just fucking going crazy and being like okay,
I'm going to save you all, I'mgoing to make this, I'm going to
make it count and I'm even if Iget across that thing and I
have to crawl my way to help I'mgoing to get people to come
back and help you.

Speaker 6 (03:16:22):
I'm coming back with guns and cops and choppers and
he's just, he's got this bigfucking hero speech Right, just
just for him to like slam intothe fucking thing Right, the
force field wall or whatever thehell it is right.
He slams into that and justfucking, just brutally just dead

(03:16:44):
.

Speaker 2 (03:16:44):
not just, not just kind of dead, just fucking dead
and immediately yeah, as soon ashe hits the fucking thing where
he's like, fuck yeah, and thenboom, just smashes on that thing
and just fuck it all the waydown, just fucked yeah, yeah
that was, that was really good,like I mean, I I had kind of

(03:17:05):
thought about it before he didit because of the, because of
the eagle at the beginning, yep,you know you saw the reference
into the wall.
So I yeah.
So I I was like, oh well, maybeI mean maybe they, maybe that
was just an oversight orsomething like that.
But nope, nope, nope, then it'syour shit boom and say, okay,
never mind, fucking.

(03:17:27):
Yeah, hems withstead was uh,death was really good in this
movie.
Um, uh, the good guy deservedbetter yeah, he just yeah that
was kind of a shit death, wasn'tit?

Speaker 6 (03:17:40):
yeah, yeah, it was just a very unceremonious thing
we're like and you you knewbecause there was a reference in
there.
You know, you see the bloodyhandprint on the camper when
they get into the camper on thecamper door you know that, like
you know, you know there's abuckner in there somewhere
that's gonna like pop up right,some redneck zombie that's gonna
do something, and you made itall the way through the tunnel.

(03:18:02):
You made it all the way tohemsworth's death, uh, you know.
And then they're.
They're driving, like you knowthat, like somebody's coming out
of the woodwork somewhere, butit's just like out of nowhere,
stabbed in the neck, bleeds out,crashes the fucking uh, you
know, crashes the camper andhe's just dead, like that's all
there is to it is just dead,like come on, man, you could

(03:18:24):
have given him something.

Speaker 2 (03:18:26):
Right If it felt cheap.

Speaker 6 (03:18:29):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, he was one of my favorites
.
He probably got a better death.

Speaker 2 (03:18:34):
Right, and it was just like God man, like
seriously, like can we, can wejust?

Speaker 6 (03:18:46):
like give him something a little bit better.
I mean, the guy was in Grey'sAnatomy.

Speaker 2 (03:19:00):
Sure, I'll give you.
You know, like I's, it's notthe greatest show on television,
but it's not bad, um, and ifyou want, if you want to watch a
TV show with your girlfriend,that you're conceding something,
you know like you'recompromising, but it's something
that you can actually watch andit's not too horrible, then

(03:19:22):
then it's a good, it's a goodseries for that, but that you'll
have it for the rest of yourlife because, oh my God, there's
like 30 seasons of it orsomething.
But, um, but yeah, this, uh,but like I mean, he, he just
gets killed with no intrigue atall, greased out of nowhere.

(03:19:44):
It's just boring, boring, boringdeath, and then that leads very
quickly into the last one.
Well, what we perceive as thelast one?

Speaker 6 (03:20:02):
Yeah, exactly, well, what, what we perceive as the
last one?
Yeah, exactly, yeah, you know.
Yeah, so it leaves us with the,the quote-unquote virgin right,
and that that also leads intoprobably one of the more insane
parts of the whole fucking movie.
Uh, with the, like the postcocktail party, right, because
they're like the death of thevirgin is optional.
everybody else has got tofucking die, but this chick is
optional.
Uh, as to whether or not theydie, you know she dies and they

(03:20:24):
leave her to potentially be likejust beaten to death by zombie
redneck, while they're all goingthrough their fucking cocktail
party, right, you know where?
Like, you got people drinkingand they're hanging out and
they're talking shit and they'relamenting about the bet that
they lost, and you've got theintern that's trying to be cool,
you got the one guy that'strying to get laid, and it's

(03:20:48):
just.
You have this mundane officeparty going on while in the
background, on the giant screen,you have this chick that's
being just brutally beaten todeath by a redneck zombie.

Speaker 2 (03:20:59):
It's just fucking nuts.
Yeah, yeah, and I don't knowthat most people would really
have caught that, but yeah, thatwas something that just kind of
wow, how sick are these people?

Speaker 6 (03:21:15):
What the hell is this , and that's when I still like
you know, was it Illuminati, wasit?

Speaker 2 (03:21:18):
you know what the hell is this exactly?
And that's when I, when I stilllike you know.
Was it illuminati, was it?
You know what the fuck is goingon here and right, and it goes,
yeah, and even at that pointyou're still clueless.

Speaker 6 (03:21:29):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, you are pretty, uh, you are
pretty clueless as to what'sgoing on and it does, you know
it.
It goes back towards thatcommentary, uh that underlying
commentary for the, the peoplethat are in the bunker, of how
kind of blah they've become tothe whole thing, uh, which goes
more towards, like, towards theend of the movie, where they're
like, well, fuck it, let's justlet it end, uh, because they've,

(03:21:49):
you know, they've just gottenso used to the whole thing and
so complacent to the whole thing, uh, to the, the ritual that,
like they've made it a game orthey've just gotten used to it.
You know, like the other onechick that's, uh, like you know,
magic monsters, gods, you know,you get used to it.
And the other, the black dude's, like, should you like?
Are we supposed?
to get used to this you know,are we supposed to just become

(03:22:11):
complacent into this becauseit's pretty fucked up when you
think about it, like this wholething's really fucked up.
We should not be just takingthis as like it's another day at
the office.
We shouldn't be making bets onthis or anything along those
lines.
So, yeah, like that, you knowthat, that cocktail party with
the other, the death, you knowthe, the beaten to death on the
big screen, like that's justcontinuing on the commentary of

(03:22:34):
you know, yeah, as you said,like how fucked up are these
people to where, like they justthey have nothing.
They have like almost literallynothing as far as like empathy
is concerned for these, thesefive people that have pretty
much just been brutally killedso that the rest of us can
continue to live right, I meanin the grand scheme of things,
like yeah, it's, it's the needsof the many kind of kind of an

(03:22:56):
argument.

Speaker 2 (03:22:57):
But right, like, at what point do you start enjoying
it?
Cause that's, that's what theywere doing.
They were enjoying it.

Speaker 6 (03:23:06):
At certain points it totally turned into
entertainment.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:23:09):
Yeah, and so it's like I despise the idea that
humanity could get to a point,that that humans could actually
get to a point where somethingwhere they're so desensitized to
something like that, thatthey're, that, they're like you
know, oh wow, this is oh well insome ways fucking there man,

(03:23:30):
you like you remember the uh,the uh.

Speaker 6 (03:23:32):
What the fuck was the uh, the?
The movie, the movie seriesback in the late 90s?
That was like black marketmovies, faces of death, you do
you.
You remember hearing aboutfaces of death back in the late
90s.
That was like black marketmovies, faces of death, you do
you.
You remember hearing aboutfaces of death back in the day
when we were, uh, when we werelike middle school, early high
school, like we're already there, man, uh, you know, it's just
being able to separate yourselfright and well as we're

(03:23:56):
separating yourself or beingable to hold onto yourself, I
guess really, um, cause, I meanJesus.

Speaker 2 (03:24:04):
It kind of takes me to a whole, to a whole different
franchise with Harry Potter.
You know how do you split thesoul murder, or I mean, can you,
can you really like?
Do you really have to go as faras murder Can like just simply
drinking a cocktail and watchinga girl get beaten to death and

(03:24:24):
feeling nothing about it?
Is that a possible way to splityour soul?
Or has it already been split,Like I don't know?

Speaker 5 (03:24:32):
Seems pretty fucked up to me yeah the the attorney
could make the argument likelook, this dude kept attacking
her.
After she attacked him twoother times.
Right, of course she's gonnatry and make sure he's not
around anymore, like whowouldn't do that, you know?
Yeah, I don't know, just it wasjust.

(03:24:54):
I know it's off topic, it wasjust something I was thinking
about at the time.

Speaker 2 (03:24:58):
Yeah Well, I mean, it is an interesting thought,
though I suppose on some levelsomebody might be like well, you
know, I want to be real carefulabout that.
That might be a case wheresomebody might throw the weapon
back at somebody that they justkilled, trying to get them to
stop killing them.
You know, like I want them tolook like they did it themselves

(03:25:20):
, or something.
Panic, throw the, throw theknife back at him, or whatever.
But but I mean, come on, jamielee curtis, this thing, this guy
, you already stuck a needlethrough his neck all right yeah,
don't, don't give him back hisknife.
Uh oh, being a chef, what do youhave to say about the knife
that he used?
Did he?
Did he choose a good knife?

Speaker 5 (03:25:40):
Well, I don't know the brand.
I think it was a wooden handle.
I'm pretty sure it was a10-inch blade, full tang.
I wonder if it's like aVitronox Vitronox?
Vitronox are good kind ofmiddle-of-the-road knives.
What knife did Michael Myersuse?
Okay, it says chef's knife Iknew that I was right Vitronox.

(03:26:04):
Well, it says 8-inch Vitronox,but I don't believe that.
I believe it was a 10-inch.
No, I believe it was a.
So here's what I'm going to say.
It is, and anybody else canchallenge me.
I'm going to say that the knifethat Michaelael myers used was
a 10 inch vitronox with somekind of wooden handle.
It could be rose, it could becherry or I don't.

(03:26:25):
I don't know.
I can't obviously tell just bylooking at it.
Vitronox knives will often havea full tang blade and they're
pretty good, like decent knives,like we Like we actually had it
.
Uh, the kitchen I work in weactually have some that are like
pretty close to what he used,but they're serrated.

(03:26:46):
So, oh, decent knife, good forall purpose use, which is what
Michael Myers did.
Uh, good, versatility.
May have tough time goingthrough bone man.

Speaker 2 (03:26:57):
Well, there you go.
Uh, chef rates.
Uh, slasher film knife choiceum by by mass murderer, uh,
michael myers.
Uh, I'm gonna take a momenthere to talk a little bit about
some of the some more more ofthe the goofy trivia around this

(03:27:18):
movie.
Okay, Um so the I think it'spretty well commonly known that,
uh, that the mask is, uh isessentially butts his bucket,
william Shatner.
Now, a lot of the time peoplewill say that it was a William
Shatner mask turned inside outor whatever, but something that

(03:27:43):
I had read somewhere I don'tknow if this is exactly true or
not that it was actually aCaptain Kirk mask bought from a
small store on HollywoodBoulevard where they ripped off
the sideburns and the eyebrowsand then they painted it white
like a blue-white.

Speaker 5 (03:27:59):
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure.
I will say I agree with you,because they were trying to
recreate it and the number onething that gives it away is the
hair on the mask is still thereand if you turn that mask inside
out, that hair would not bethere.
So they would either have toalter the mask fundamentally and
cut that out and add the hair,or they would have to just paint

(03:28:22):
it white and then dye the hairblack or something like that.
I don't know if they dye itblack or not.

Speaker 2 (03:28:27):
Yeah, I don't know.
It was originally supposed tobe a clown mask.
I guess they had gotten like alike a sad clown mask and and
had put red hair on it.
I would have ruined the movie.
Yeah, I would have made it.

Speaker 5 (03:28:42):
They said it was creepy enough, but oh my god,
that makes sense that they wouldwant to make it a clown mask
though, because when he was akid, because he was a kid when
he was six years old and he well, he was so excited about it
when he murdered his sister hewas so as a clown when he
murdered his sister, you're soexcited about it.

Speaker 2 (03:29:05):
That woman that played, his sister that played,
I think what was her name?
Janet?

Speaker 5 (03:29:10):
Damn it, Janet.

Speaker 2 (03:29:12):
That woman?
Did you know she was a PlayboyPlaymate?
Yeah, I didn't either, until Iwas flipping through.
I'm not up on my playmates uh,yeah, me either, especially not
ones from the 70s right uh, sothat one, though.
Well, now, now I know aboutthat one.
So, uh, something else that'skind of fun is, uh, michael

(03:29:36):
myers car was a rental.
Yeah, they rented a car, umblack car.
Uh, the black car that was inthat movie was, uh, that was
used by uh the doctor.

Speaker 5 (03:29:47):
That was, um, that was uh john carpenter's that guy
was such a chode, not the actorright um well, he wasn't a bad.
He wasn't a chode in the firstmovie.
It was later on, which I won'tspoil that one because it is.
I mean, it's only it was 2018,so it's still old, but it's not
like that old, right?

(03:30:08):
Yeah, I did not like him inthat in the, the remake in the
2018 movie continuation.

Speaker 2 (03:30:13):
Yeah yeah, something that I thought was kind of
interesting.
I had no idea John Carpenterdirected the movie.
He also wrote the theme.

Speaker 5 (03:30:23):
Like the song.

Speaker 2 (03:30:24):
Yeah, that's dope.
Yeah, he wrote that Apparently.
His dad is a musician.

Speaker 5 (03:30:34):
That makes sense Okay .

Speaker 2 (03:30:36):
And taught him about the that, that, so, so that
theme is written in a reallyweird time signature.
It's called five four timesignature, and so it's, it's,
it's I can't even begin todescribe it in a way that's

(03:30:57):
comprehensive.

Speaker 5 (03:30:58):
I don't know a lot about music.
I only remember that somebodysaying something about it being
like it's normally like andcorrect me anybody in the
comments that knows more aboutmusic.
But I believe something aboutit being like four bars is the
normal thing, but they need it.
It's usually four four, creepyfour, four Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:31:17):
Four, four is what is most comfortable for most
people.
Some things are in 3-4.
3-4 time that's more like a bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop,
bop, bop, bop, bop.
You'll get a lot of that inlike waltzes and things like
that.
But 5-4 is a really strangetime signature because that's

(03:31:44):
how you get that weird uh, thatthat weird incidental sound in
there, that that, uh, almostalmost like syncopation, that
that uh, data, data, data, data,data, data, data, data data.
I mean it's, I don't know it'sagain it's.
You know, I'm so far out ofmusic theory that I don't think
I could describe it.
I don't even know that I fullyunderstand it anymore.

(03:32:04):
But yeah, he wrote it and itwas all because his dad taught
him about five, four time andand, uh, and how it sounded you
know, kind of um, it's almostkind of a desperate sounding
time signature which fits for ahorror flick.
As far as I'm concerned, Right.

(03:32:29):
So another really kind of a coolthing, that that we were kind
of talking about a little bitearlier, that I was going to
bring up.
So Lori and Tommy I don't knowif you remember when they were
sitting on the couch andwatching a movie- Vaguely.
About.
When they were talking about,you know, comic books and stuff

(03:32:52):
like that, they were watching amovie called the Thing from
Another World.
Now that you said that, yeahokay, so the thing from another
world was remade into a moviecalled the thing in 1982 that
one of my favorites, by the way,of all time also directed by

(03:33:14):
john carpenter.
So yeah, that's dope as hellyeah, it's almost like a little
bit of a almost like a littlebit of a, almost like a little
bit of a foreshadowing thatmovie was incredible.

Speaker 5 (03:33:24):
The thing, it was so good.

Speaker 2 (03:33:27):
I was actually really surprised that you didn't pick
that one, if we're being totallyhonest.
So the oh.
Another fun fact Sound effectfor stabbing was a knife
stabbing a watermelon.

Speaker 5 (03:33:42):
I'm going to have to do that and see if I can hear it
.

Speaker 2 (03:33:46):
Well, something to keep in mind as to why it might
sound so accurate.
What might make you believethat it's accurate is if you're
a fat guy, then stick yourstomach out and slap it, and
then go and slap a watermelonand you'll get.
You'll get approximately thesame sound out of both.

Speaker 5 (03:34:08):
I need to know how many people actually did this.
Just write, write in a comment,say something like me.

Speaker 2 (03:34:16):
Yeah, just drop in the comments right now.
You know I did this, it'stotally true because we have to.
Let me make sure that Jasonknows.
But yeah, so I mean, there'sgotta be like somebody had to
have been thinking.
You know, whenever I slap mystomach, it sounds like a
watermelon.
I bet you if we, I bet you ifwe stick a knife into a

(03:34:37):
watermelon, it sound a lot likesticking a knife in my, in my
belly.
This movie was also filmed incalifornia, uh, but it didn't
look particularly fall like incalifornia.

Speaker 5 (03:34:48):
They made it, so john carpenter had to have dead
leaves thrown out onto the setimagine he just like goes and
finds people and pays them 10bucks, just grab those leaves
and throw them over there.

Speaker 2 (03:35:03):
Yeah okay, whatever dude do you know it's super
funny one day.
One of those guys was robertengland oh, that's super cool.
Yeah, robert england for thosethat don't know was uh, he was
the guy who portrayed freddie innightmare on elm street.

Speaker 5 (03:35:20):
He also played a doctor in a other lesser known
movie that now that I want tosay it, I can't remember the
name, but it was basically likea mockumentary, uh, where they
they basically filmed the guythat was going to do a killing
and then it swaps over to cinema.
Do you remember the name ofthat?
But he played I don't rememberthe doctor something like hall

(03:35:43):
singer hall something, oh my god, if, if you remember, put it in
the comments.

Speaker 2 (03:35:50):
Uh, any of my listeners, if you, if you know
what we're talking about, put itin the comments but, yeah, yeah
, john carpenter paid robertengland to throw leaves onto the
set for a day.
No, that's not the one I'mthinking of either, behind the
mask oh yeah, it's called behindthe mask yeah the rise of
leslie vernon robert yeah, no,this, this movie was just kind

(03:36:12):
of a lot of fun, um, like, andand I don't know like it.
I think I don't know like it, Ithink I don't know that I that I
really watched this in my adultlife.
I'm pretty sure the last time Isaw this movie uh, until
watching it for for this episode, I think the last time I
watched it I was probably likemaybe eight or nine and it was

(03:36:36):
totally on, like you know, withjoe bob riggs or something you
know, like one of those goofythings, um, and and so I don't
know, I I think I appreciate ita little bit more now than I did
then, mostly because I just II've never really been into
horror flicks, but watching itthis time around, um, I, I

(03:36:59):
definitely did come away with a,with more of an appreciation of
how, of how they bring peopleinto movies with horror flicks.
I think that they, um, thatthere's definitely a different
kind of movie making style, thatthey do with it, that that I I
need to give them credit forwell, and it's.

Speaker 5 (03:37:16):
It's also proof you were talking about it being a
lower budget film.
You know, and I mentioned BlairWitch Project earlier it's
proof that it's not about thebudget.
You could have a multi milliondollar film, half a billion
dollar film, fucking tank right.
You have this low budget, likeJamie Lee Curtis going to J

(03:37:40):
Penny rental car spray paintedmass and they made like a
masterpiece.
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:37:47):
You know, it's incredible, the very first, the
very first episode of of October, um, you know, I mean, the just
one of the recent episodes Idid with Derek was, um, we had
talked about, we had talkedabout alien resurrection and how
that had like a 76 billion or$76 million budget and it was a

(03:38:10):
shit movie, like I mean, it wasjust absolute garbage.
And this and this guy, you knowfucking john carpenter, takes
you know less than half amillion dollars and turns it
into 145.
You know, that's that's prettyincredible.
So I I my my applause go to you, john carpenter, that that was

(03:38:36):
great work.

Speaker 5 (03:38:37):
Yeah, badass.

Speaker 2 (03:38:39):
So, um, anyway, uh, I'm going to go ahead and and,
uh, cut this one off here.
Uh, is there uh anything thatyou want to, that you want to
plug for your, for your stuff,chef?

Speaker 5 (03:38:52):
Well, if there's anybody listening, that is oh
what the hell just happenedthere Way to ruin my everything.
Oh what the hell just happenedthere Way to ruin my everything
Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:39:01):
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