August 2, 2024 • 60 mins
Producer Jen comes back for a hard hitting episode about Walk The Line (2005)! Join The Movie RX Producer and Dr. Benjamin as they cover the many facets of the film, everything from highlighting the importance of love, resilience to addiction and redemption, examining how Johnny's descent into substance abuse affected his relationships and career. Be sure not to miss this one!
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
We all beat the same song.
We all beat the same song.
We all need the same.
(00:48):
Hello and welcome to MovieRx,where I prescribe entertainment
one movie at a time.
I am your host, dr Benjamin PhD.
What does the PhD stand for?
Please have decency Nothing.
I suppose that works good, uh,as you hear, bringing in for the
(01:10):
.
Uh, I don't know how many times, but my producer is joining me
again on the show, the moviemovie rx.
Producer jen uh, my inspirationis is here again.
Welcome back, jen thanks so thisis a movie that neither one of
us had watched until like sinceit was new yes, it is I.
(01:33):
The last time I saw this was inthe theater oh wow, yeah, see,
I've seen it a lot more recentthan that, but like, but still
it was.
It was when it was fresh out onDVD, uh, that that I watched
this and, uh, this movieactually kind of changed my mind
about Johnny Cash.
Oh yeah, it was just I.
(01:56):
I wasn't, I wasn't the type toever go out of my way to listen
to Johnny Cash.
After watching this movie italmost felt like I needed to.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So now I have to buy you that record.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right, Well, something that, like, uh, Jamie
and I do a lot is like if, if anartist is struggling with
addiction, um, or or somethinglike that, and then they get
clean, then we'll go buy analbum.
I remember you telling me thatlike uh amy winehouse, we did uh
britney spears even and I amnot a britney spears music fan,
(02:34):
um, but it's.
It's just kind of one of thosethings where if they're if
they're making an effort to makethemselves better, then you
know, the least can do is is toshow support that way.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Um, they're just lucky enough to have that, that
way that I can help support themin their in their recovery.
This movie is also a BonnieWright feel good movie.
Bonnie Wright played uh JennyWeasley in the Harry.
Potter movies.
We know that for real, jen Jen.
You know that because you youhave the story, so I'll let you
(03:09):
tell it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Uh.
So, being as we're, you know,big nerds and my love of Harry
Potter, we went to, uh, Denver.
I believe they call it popculture con, cause they can't
call it comic con.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yes, that is now copywritten.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, so we went to Denver Pop Culture Con and I
went and stood in her line toget a picture with her and to
get her autograph and while shewas signing stuff I, you know,
was sitting there talking to herand I asked her you know what
is like?
Your go to movie?
And at the time it could change, because movies come out all
(03:50):
the time.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
At the time she said that it was Walk the Line and
that actually really shocked mebecause I don't know, I guess I
just don't think of peopleoverseas watching American
country music movies.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But I mean she did have that like button up shirt
on with the pearl buttons.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I guess yeah, no see, that's.
That's a cool story.
I think it's cool when we findout those little, those silly
little things about, you know,celebrities that nobody really
cares about, but nobody, most ofthe time, asks right like
everybody's all concerned aboutwho's dating who, who's
divorcing who and who's havingkids with who and it's like I
(04:36):
don't know.
I think I think it's reallycool and we can ask the people
in our movies about their movies, like the movies that they like
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, like I said, I was not expecting that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I figured it was a movie from you know hot fuzz
maybe not, let's think of the,let's think of the most famous
british productions monty pythononly yeah.
Only because, only becauseshe's british, she can only
watch brit movies.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I just yeah.
I figured we have so manymovies over here, so I figured
you know other countries did too.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Well, hollywood does kind of you know, invade.
I mean, there's so many otherplaces around the world use our
movies that they just dub and,and you know, subtitle and
everything but.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I just forget that, I guess.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, uh.
The goofiest thing you'll eversee is is an action movie, but
in French, I don't know it'sit's for some reason.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
it's just funny to me or a love story in German or a
love story in German Uh, it, it,uh.
It ends up coming off like amarriage story or something yeah
, where they love each other butthey also sound like they hate
each other right, exactly so, uh, basic movie info on this movie
(05:59):
uh, it's a 20th Century Foxproduction released in 2005,
directed by James Mangold.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I've already done one movie that he's directed.
That was Girl Interrupted.
I did that episode with Jamie.
He also directed 310 to Yuma.
This movie stars JoaquinPhoenix, reese Witherspoon and
Jennifer Goodwin.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Can I just say how fun Joaquin's name is.
Joaquin, it's just fun to say.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
In high school I was a little jerk and I'd just say
Joaquin.
All the time.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You being a jerk, no.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It got so bad that some of my friends thought that
I wasn't even joking and I'd belike you know joking Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, oh, my Atlanta Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Continue.
Imdb description on this movieis a chronicle of country music
legend Johnny Cash's life fromhis early days on an Arkansas
cotton farm to his rise to famewith Sun Records in Memphis,
where he recorded alongsideElvis Presley, jerry Lee Louie
and Carl Perkins.
I mean kinda that's a reallygood synopsis for the first part
(07:24):
of the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Um, I mean, I guess the rest just falls in, I
suppose.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Just come along for the Johnny Cash story.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Or you could just watch the movie for the music.
That works too.
Next, I kind of go into theinitial movie impression.
This is like a more technicalsort of thing.
I'll go first.
The cinematography I thoughtwas really great.
They had really goodutilization, uh, of stage
lighting and spotlights formovie lights, um like the.
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They use the spotlight quitefrequently, frequently as a
backlight for silhouettes and,uh, dramatic effect, uh, things
like that to kind of make youfeel like you're really there on
the stage with them, and stufflike that.
They were super creative withthe lighting in this movie and
and I think I think that's a biguh, a big selling point for
(08:21):
this movie Music pretty wellwrote itself.
I think it was.
It was, uh, johnny Cash, mostlythe uh, the movie original
soundtrack was pretty well whatit needed to be and, um it it
kind of took a backseat to to alot of the, the more notable, uh
, I guess more recognizabletunes.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, for sure, like um, well, you know me, I'm, I
don't, I listen to a little bitof everything, but I don't
listen to a lot of country.
Um, but the ones that theyplayed were definitely the ones
that I know, but there is onethat I was a little sad that
they didn't like sneak in in thecredits or something.
(09:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, his cover ofhurt oh, I love that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Trent resner apparently had said that that
song doesn't belong to himanymore because it's so, it's so
fit.
Johnny cash and his story andthe way he sang.
It was just so heartbreaking.
He was like it doesn't, it'snot my song anymore.
Have you seen the music videoJohnny Cash and his story and
the way he sang.
It was just so heartbreaking.
He was like it doesn't, it'snot my song anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Have you seen the music video for that?
Oh God, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, that's, terry up.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, that's for sure , like one of my, one of my
favorite songs that he has sung.
I know it's not technically hissong, but you know it's still a
banger.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The.
I know it's not technically hissong, but it's still a banger.
The acting in this moviethere's not really much to
complain about.
I mean, it's Joaquin Phoenix,reese Witherspoon.
What do you expect?
Now, what I will say is and Idon't know if this was
intentional or not, but therewas a huge difference between
(10:05):
Johnny Cash singing on his porchand Johnny Cash singing on
stage.
Yes, like when he was singingon the porch, even when he was
auditioning with that first song, it like it sounded bad, I
don't.
I don't know if it wasintentional, but once he started
(10:26):
doing the Johnny Cash personaon stage, then, damn, he was
spot on.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, it's like what the producer at the record label
said.
I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Right.
I love how he took thatliterally.
I don't believe you.
You saying I don't believe inGod.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Let's just say that he probably didn't get a whole
lot of education.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, no, Of course we don't want to jump too far.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh sorry, Too far ahead.
You tell me when to say thanks.
Too far ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You tell me when to say things.
Yeah, the singing was prettyastounding from just about
everybody.
For the vastest majority of themovie it was just the beginning
.
That was kind of eh, and therewere even times that, like, june
(11:24):
Carter, had a very unique soundand, uh, not to say that she
was a bad singer, but she wasn't.
She wasn't the talent that hersister was and and so she, uh,
her very unique sound, was it?
It didn't play to her benefitat the time, um, and there were
times that Reese Witherspoon waseven able to replicate that, um
(11:49):
, like the the honky tonky uhsong that she did.
That she, she could really likecatch that at at certain points
in that song and it was likeOoh, wow, that's really close to
what it really sounds like, youknow, um she cracks me up, like
when she performs it, just Ifeel like that's kind of how she
(12:10):
is in real life, is just supergoofy.
Everywhere June Carter went wasa USO show Like the.
The girl was just funnier inhell.
I mean she said in the movielike I had to funny because
anita was the one with thetalent and she wanted to offer
something and, and she stillwanted to offer something to
showbiz, and sure shit, I think.
(12:33):
I think she's pretty well thereal start of what could be
called classic stage stand upcomedy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, great, great, great stuff, which is crazy
because, like it, I feel like ittook women, like women had to
go through a bunch of shit,basically to to do any kind of
stand-up, because you know howmany guys out there like girls
aren't funny right, well, I mean, look at, uh, look at the
productions that you see there'sso few women on stage for, uh,
(13:02):
for that kind of stuff of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But at the same time you look at those shows and you
look at some of the greats fromthat stuff.
Um, you know, I mean thatthat's where Bette Midler got to
start, you know, was doing USOshows and and that kind of stuff
.
And, uh, I mean some of thosereally heavy hitting performers,
cause they're not singers,they're not comedians, they're
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not actors, they're justperformers, because they're not
singers, they're not comedians,they're not actors, they're just
performers because they doeverything.
And, uh, and she was definitelythat probably better at the
comedy than the vast majority ofthe people that she toured with
yeah, especially like and yousee her with the whole running
into Johnny and getting stuck onhis guitar and she just.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I can keep this funny for like two more minutes,
don't worry, right yeah, god, Imean we this is.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This is normally when I go into the character section
, but it's like this story isabout Johnny Cash and then after
that it's about Johnny Cash andJune Carter.
But the reason why it's firstabout Johnny Cash and then after
that it's about Johnny Cash andJune Carter, but the reason why
it's first about Johnny Cash,is because it's about Johnny
Cash and his uh and hisaddiction and something that
(14:16):
that came really like that, thatbecame really evident in that
in a lot of those addictionstruggles was was trauma.
I mean to talk about that, Isuppose we should just jump
right into the movie.
I think right off the bat youfind out, you know, you figure
out that his dad's a drunk everytime I see that man in
something, he is usually anasshat that's very accurate and
(14:42):
every time I see face, I'm surehe's a nice human being, but I
want to punch him in the throat.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like every time he talked in this movie, I'm like,
yep, you need a throat punch.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, and that was Robert Patrick.
He was the T-1000.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Like of course it's the horror of my childhood, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
You didn't recognize that he was also the, that he
was also t1000 I did, but Ididn't put it together until
just then.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But yes, he was the thing of nightmares in my
childhood yeah, so yeah, that'swhy you don't like him.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Uh, I mean, well, you don't like him because you're
not supposed to like him.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Because he's Ray Cash .
Ray Cash was recorded as beingquite a douchebag, but I don't
know.
You can't argue with RobertPatrick's acting in anything
he's ever in, but he does areally great job of making you
hate him.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, very much so.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Everything from forcing his entire family to do
his job for him Picking cropsbecause whoever it is that is
going to come by to pick him upis they're going to want what
they need and or what they werepromised, and he doesn't have it
because he was too busydrinking, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And he complains about not having money, but he
goes to the bar every Saturdayand drinks that away.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
One thing that I did like from that, though, that you
pointed out, is that his momwas really good at setting
boundaries.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Like she called him out on his drinking and like
don't, don't be getting on theboys, because, because you
screwed up.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And on top of that she's like you're not selling my
dad's piano.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You're not going to get rid of my heirloom for to
satisfy your addiction, yeah,which I mean first off at that
time balls in your face, likethat woman.
That woman had big old testesto stand up in front of her man,
like at that time.
Because I mean, it was justthat, wasn't?
That wasn't something that wastypical at the time and and I
(16:54):
what I really liked about thevery beginning of the movie is,
in a very short period of timethey were able to convey to you
what kind of connection JohnnyCash had with his older brother,
jack.
I mean, it's not unusual at all, for you know families in that
time where the oldest is kind ofthe star child.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And takes on a lot more responsibility than they
should, as a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right, johnny even asks him you know what's?
Why are you so good, you know?
And and he just chalks it up tobeing, to being older and
bigger and stronger and and allof that stuff.
But there was a line that hethat he had said, you know, he
made it clear that he wanted tobecome, that he wanted to become
a preacher, that he needed toknow the Bible front and back.
Uh, and, and he said, becauseyou can't help nobody if you
(17:42):
don't know the right story, I, Icompletely agree.
Granted, I don't, I don't useany of the biblical, biblical
stories or anything.
But you know people, people whoknow stories of, of hardship
and things like that, tend to beable to help the people who are
, you know, in in thosestruggles.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well it's, it's like the main thing with our job.
I mean, if you have the righttools you could do anything.
But it's not.
Everybody has the right tools.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, and so I mean that's that's kind of why that
stuck with me, is that you knowif you, if you got the right
story, you can help um and andyeah, I really dig that.
But yeah, so anyway, they're uh, they're two brothers, they're
super, super close and then itgets.
It gets dark very quickly I.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I had completely forgot well, because it had been
so long since I'd seen themovie, but the second I saw that
scene come in.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm like the second you see the saw and and then
then you see it malfunction, uhand and kick that wood up and
Johnny goes in and stops the saw.
If it's been a decade sinceyou've seen this movie, that
will jar you loose and go oh God, I know what's coming, because
(19:05):
it's graphic, like they don'tshow.
They don't show anything aboutit, uh, except for you know when
, when he's laying on the bed,you know, and and covered in
bandages, and things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Can I just say that shop class was horrifying for me
, cause you know my luck, youknow how.
You know my luck, you know howyou know, graceful I am I?
I can hurt myself with, justlike slicing an apple, like how
many times have you got after mewhen I have a knife in my hand?
(19:40):
Yeah and they trusted, like wayyounger me around power tools
right like those.
I'm like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
yeah, yeah see, I don't think, I don't think I'd
be able to, you know, teach anysort of a class with power, like
table saws and things like that, with middle schoolers.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yep Middle school.
Middle school I I did.
I had to use a lot of thosetools and I'm like you guys are
stupid yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
When Jack goes in to go and do the uh, to chop the
wood, you know he sees thatJohnny wants to go fishing and
he just gives in and says youknow what, go ahead and go
fishing, I'll finish this up andhe leaves.
You know, as he's walking home,you know, with his fishing pole
or whatever he gets, his dadrolls up beside him in a car.
He starts getting on his caseyou know where you been, where
(20:39):
you been and makes him get inthe car and they go to the
hospital where where he findsout that his, that his brother's
dying, and he and in the carand they go to the hospital
where he finds out that hisbrother's dying and he sits
there and watches his brotherdie.
The way that his dad eyeballedhim and said where you been, you
could definitely see that hewas holding Johnny responsible
for what happened to Jack.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh, 100%, which is so not fair and I'm sorry.
Where was he Right?
That's a more appropriate job.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Sorry, where was he Right?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's a more appropriate job for a grown ass
man.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Right, and that was something that Johnny brought up
later in life, which, you know,we'll get to that a little bit
later.
But he blamed his what?
10 year old son.
I think he said 12 when hetalked about it later, it's like
really and that is a greatpoint Like so, when, when are
you going to take responsibilityas a parent and not monitoring
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what your kids are doing?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, not only that, why is?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
your kid going and working for a dollar to cut wood
to save your ass.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Right?
Well, I was just going to saynot only that, like you're
putting blame on little kids,but you're also putting all of
that responsibility to makemoney for the family on your
young children.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right, which I mean we're.
We're really bagging on Rayhere, but it's fine, he deserves
it.
The nice thing to remember isthat Ray did get better.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Barely.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, well, it took him a long time and it's and it
was well after.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
he should have gotten better, but he did get better
but see, like the way that theyended that, like you don't know
if he actually got better witheveryone or if he was just a
nice grandpa that's probably agood way to soften soften
anybody's heart, that's, youknow, douchey.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But then we start to see, like after after jack dies,
we start to see that there'salmost a pointed hatred from ray
cash to his, to his son yeah,he said that.
He said that it was satan thattook the wrong son well, yeah,
because you know he was gettingon or something he was getting
(22:45):
on uh, johnny's case forlistening to the radio, and his
mom told him hey, knock it off.
He didn't do this.
And ray said the devil did this.
He took the wrong son.
I mean, imagine growing up withthat.
I mean, if he was 12, the nexttalking point we have he's going
to the air force.
They, they skipped over thatwhole time.
From the time that he's 12 tothe time that they skipped over
that whole time, from the timethat he's 12 to the time that he
(23:06):
leaves for the Air Force.
I couldn't imagine what livingin that hell would be like.
Knowing that your dad feelsthat way, and you could
definitely tell when he didleave for the Air Force what
kind of state the house was in.
Like the rest of his family wassad to see him go.
They were proud of him but theywere sad to see him go.
They were proud of him but theywere sad to see him go, and his
(23:28):
dad just seemed like hecouldn't wait to get him off the
farm.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And he belittled what he was going to do.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Right, good on him for getting out of that, because
sometimes, yeah, even thoughyou've got family and it's kind
of stuck in that, you still haveto also think of your own.
Well, and then he got himselfout, went into the air force and
bought himself a guitar andlearned how to play it.
But, yeah, after that he youknow, I mean after his, his
service in the air force he gotmarried, uh, had a daughter and
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moved to Memphis.
He was pursuing his dreams.
He was really reaching for himand and it really seemed like
that it wasn't going to happen.
Is that kind of what you felt?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
taped on the side of the base.
Oh yeah, so yeah, he had arough start, but I mean, I feel
(24:31):
like it was rougher because hiswife didn't believe in him.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That was really hard to watch sometimes, like the few
interactions that they hadbetween Johnny and Viv through
that whole starting section inMemphis was really painful.
I mean, on one hand you totallysympathize with Viv on being
concerned about him.
You know selling stuff andmaking money to be able to pay
(24:59):
bills and things like that andthat her dad had a job for him
back home.
You know where he would have aguaranteed job and guaranteed
pay.
But at the same time she wantedthat more than she wanted him
to realize his dream.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I don't know that she ever admitted that to herself
or to him I don't, I don't thinkso, like I think she yes, she
had a right to be worried.
Like it's the same thing.
I tell you you do, you do whatmakes you happy.
As long as we can pay the billsafter that I'm good.
But like even when, even whenhe was trying and getting going,
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she just never seemed happywith anything he did there were
a lot of times that itdefinitely felt like.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It definitely felt like they're just it wasn't ever
going to be good enough.
And it's funny because it madeit really hard for me to think
of him as the bad guy when hestarted to wander.
And I don't like that feeling.
I don't like not thinking ofthe guy that's looking at other
women.
I don't like not thinking ofthat guy as the bad guy.
(26:08):
But seeing how she treated himat home is what made that
difficult treated him at home iswhat made that difficult?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, and not only at home, like he called her right
when he got off stage, and shejust didn't even care.
Yeah.
She had kids running around andone of them got hurt, but she
sounded like he was a burdeneven talking to.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I don't know it .
Just it really kind of sucksbecause I don't know I had a
hard time feeling bad for her inat any point because, no matter
what he accomplished, shedidn't seem supportive, she
didn't seem happy, and I hate tosay that it that it came off as
ungrateful, because I highlydoubt that somebody would be
ungrateful about the life thathe was able to give her and half
(26:54):
of everything when she left.
It's kind of hard to not begrateful for that.
But yeah, I don't know, I justI guess I don't.
Really I don't feel like sheput enough into the relationship
in order to make him feel likehe was supported.
That is essential when he'spursuing his dream.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, and to her credit, she was at home with the
children and taking care ofthem, but I mean she didn't have
to work.
They could probably hire someassistants, and it looked like
there was often family around tohelp her.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, what was that At one?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
point.
Yeah, it was his sister.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, his sister was there.
That's the whole thing is notto her credit.
They had a support system andshe wasn't alone.
I would be a lot moresympathetic, I think, if it felt
like that she was there alonewithout any sort of help and he
was just out on tour all thetime.
But it sounded like he was ontour for a couple of weeks at a
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time and then he was home for awhile, and then he was on tour
for a couple more weeks at atime and then he'd be at home
for a while.
And yeah, maybe being home fora while is only a few days, but
I mean, he's doing the best thathe can.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
He has to go on tour in order to make the money to
provide the lifestyle that shewanted right and like and he was
doing it yeah, he was kickingass and taking names at it he
even volunteered to like he'slike you know.
I think I'm gonna call whoeverit was and see if I can push the
dates back and then she startedtalking about the letters, yeah
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, and then got mad at him fortalking about the tour.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, that was.
That was a little unfair, likeI'm going to bait you into this
conversation and then I'm goingto, then I'm going to chew your
ass for for talking about itLike yeah, and it's not like he
was, you know, searching throughthose letters and reading those
letters.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
He's like dude, don't even, don't even pay attention
to them, don't open them, thoseletters.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He's like dude, don't even, don't even pay attention
to him, don't open them, justdon't even, don't even bother
right, which I I really lovelater on, the change in in the
checking the, the fan mail, howhe starts looking for the ones
from various prisons and jailsand things like that and and
reading that stuff.
That stuff's cool.
I that it was really it was aneat, neat change after, after a
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bright and sunshiny part of themovie.
But yeah, so you got thisreality that it doesn't sell
anymore.
You know, and and told him youknow, if you're dying in that
gutter and you could sing onesong, what would it be?
Is it going to be that or is itgoing to be something else?
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And then that's when he singsin Folsom blues and lands the
label, gets on the tour and andstarts making all of that money.
And his wife still isn't happy.
Before that she just wanted himto sell some appliances.
You know, like, come on now.
I don't feel bad for her.
I feel kind of bad for JohnnyCash, but then I also want to
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call him a son of a bitch.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, because he goes on tour and then he meets June
Carter, like the June Carter,the one that he's been listening
to since he was, you know.
God only knows how young this,this woman, was made to be his
main squeeze.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Made to be his main squeeze.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well, yeah, I mean the kid.
The kid obsessed over listeningto that girl sing on the radio
his whole life, and then hefinally meets her, and then he
starts performing with her.
Like they clearly have aconnection, you know, like from
the very first time they talk.
And how convenient is it thatshe is at that time going
through a divorce like, or justor just coming out of a divorce?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But he gets.
He gets a little stalkery.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, he does, it gets that's, that's cringy.
Leaves a little bit of a, alittle bit of a you know nasty
coconutty type aftertaste inyour mouth.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You missed original.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Why do they have to add the coconut?
I prefer the original.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Now, that's a TV show you got after me.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It is a TV show, but yeah, well, actually while
they're on tour, when she's like, when they're starting to
figure out that a little bit ofelectricity that they have
between them, you know, Johnnymakes a push.
That was actually a reallygreat scene because she gave him
a copy of Khalil Gibran's theProphet.
That's a really good book.
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I had no idea that that wouldhave been something on June
Carter's radar at all, but yeahanyway.
But he tries to kiss June andJune shows why he is attracted
to her.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Because this is something that any little boy
who grew up with a strong momknows is that you have to look
for strong women.
You can't have women that youcan walk over, and she sure put
a stop to it Twice Boom.
Here is your boundary andyou're not going past it.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, and she didn't do it in a rude way.
She's like I'm going throughsome stuff.
This is inappropriate Right.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And then when he tried it again, she's like what
did I just tell you?
Like she almost got on his caselike a five-year-old so.
But yeah, I mean she, shereally enforced her boundaries
and she wasn't going to backdown from him.
And that, I think, is whyJohnny Cash was so attracted to
June Carter, was because she wasa strong woman that wasn't
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going to be walked on.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And then he went and watched boys blow things up, and
then he went because he gotshot down.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
He went and did the angsty teenager thing and
started blowing shit up.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And that's when trouble started.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yes, it is because Elvis showed up along with, you
know, the rest of the, the restof the crew, and they've got
dexedrine, which is anamphetamine.
It's a prescription pill and Idon't know it's possible that
you know a few of them had thatprescription, but I'm damn
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certain that they weren'tprescribed to take two, three,
four, five pills at a time, youknow so.
Uh, so I mean they were gettinghigh is what they were doing
and drinking, taking dexedrine,and drinking, and blowing,
blowing things up.
And blowing things up Likehorrible combination of shit
here.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Can I just say that I love that whole little thing
with.
Does your wife know you like toblow things up?
And he's like why do you thinkI married her?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Right.
But yeah, when he gets intothat pill-popping thing, then I
mean, pretty well, that starts adecline and it's very, very
slow.
It's very insidious in thismovie, but it amplifies and you
can actually see the levels ofamplification as he spirals into
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oblivion as he spirals intointo oblivion.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, in a majority of the time that he well at
least in the movie that hestarts popping those pills is
when he's having issues withjune right.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, and and that's how it starts.
It starts when, when he's, youknow, frustrated and and having
big emotions, you know.
But then that's when the, whenthe addiction takes hold, and
then he just starts taking itall the time, and then he has to
take it to feel normal, youknow, after they take a big long
break and everything, they getback on tour and he falls deeper
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into addiction where he just heneeds to have those pills
regularly, several times a day,you know, just to function as,
as a normal person would, would.
And by doing that he alienatesa lot of people, of course,
first off his wife, because he'snothing but tired when he's
home, you know, absolutelyexhausted.
His kids look like they'reafraid of him, uh, because he
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doesn't look human.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well, I don't know if they're so much afraid of him
or if it's.
They thought that he was likesick or something.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, because he didn't look well.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
No, god no.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
He was pushing away even the people, you know, the
people in the tour and thingslike that, because that was the
tour that he was doing, like itwas him backing the tour.
He was providing the venues andthe publications and all of
that stuff.
He was taking care of all thefront work and he was doing it
quote unquote as a favor forJune so that she had work.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And because he missed her.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And so he, I mean he started this whole tour.
And then they, his addictiongets deeper and it gets so bad
that he almost makes his heartexplode by taking so many pills.
And I don't I don't rememberwhere that was.
Was that Texarkana, or was thatGrand Ole Opry?
I don't remember which.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Texarkana was the bomb and the kisses.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh right.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I don't remember where that.
Oh, it might have been becausehe, because he was light.
Yeah, when he kicked the lightand he kicked the drum set and
all of that.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And then he, and then he collapsed because he damn
near made his heart explode.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, that was at the Opry.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay, and so, yeah, he wasn't allowed back there
after that.
That was his first opportunitythere, collapsing on stage in
the middle of a performance.
They closed the curtains, and Imean his band, even the
tennessee three come to him andsay dude, here is a plane ticket
, go the fuck home yeah, theysaid it was canceled and he said
(36:48):
according to who?
yeah, because he's the boss,right?
Yeah, well, there's no show ifthere's no band, right, you know
?
And they told him to get hisass home and to take care of
himself.
He doesn't have much of achoice.
But June took his pills, so hedidn't have any pills, and he's,
of course, going to figure outa way to do it.
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Well, you've got a man that'sgot more money than the Pope at
this point, so his resources arethrough the roof.
He just goes to Mexico and buysa bunch.
I mean he had when he, when hegot busted at the border.
He had over 600 pills ofdexedrine and over 400 downers
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of some kind.
I don't even remember what theywere, but the guy had over a
thousand pills and he got bustedat the border.
How, how fast do you thinksomebody would go through that?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
he was going through that stuff like it was nothing
well, yeah, because when he,when he first took it like you
saw them pour not like say hey,here's, they poured them in the
hand and took all of them.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, they weren't handing him pills like you hand
somebody you know a medication.
They were sharing pills likethey were fucking Skittles.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Like I mean it just good, god their taste in a
different kind of rainbow.
Right.
So he comes back with all ofthis stuff, gets busted.
Then you think, okay, so hejust had an opportunity to quit.
And he just had an opportunitythat that everybody around him
is telling him you need to gethelp, you need to clean up, you
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need to, you need to figure yourshit out, man.
And he doesn't do it.
Instead, he goes to Mexico,gets more illegal drugs, brings
them back, gets busted on hisway back in.
And here's another opportunityfor him to learn right.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
He needs someone to push him.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, he doesn't learn and instead the spiral
continues.
He loses his family.
He and his wife get into a, getinto a physical altercation.
I mean luckily, luckily hedidn't seriously physically
injure Viv scared the shit outof her and his kids.
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So I mean luckily nobody waswas seriously hurt or anything.
But but yeah, I mean he, he gotinto a physical fight with his
wife over a picture.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But it was a picture of June.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It was a picture of June, which, yeah, but still, he
got into a physical fight withher over a picture and she
started that fight over afucking picture.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
To be fair, if you start hanging pictures of other
women in this house, we're goingto have some problems.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well, I don't have.
I don't have any other picturesof other women to hang in the
house, but either way, like Imean seriously, the whole thing
with it is that she could havetaken that picture and she could
have been like, instead ofsmashing it on the counter,
which she knew was going toelevate the situation, Did she
honestly think that she wasgoing to smash a picture of june
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carter and that johnny cash wasjust going to be like oh, I
guess I'm wrong, like that's nothow that works they start
smashing shit.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
People are going to get pissed they were both at
fault him him more so, but hewas also under the influence of
things and stuff just gotescalated, yeah Things just got
escalated and so in oneafternoon he loses his family.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Then he walks.
He walks from Memphis to Idon't even know where June
Carter lived, but it wasn't thesame town Walked to her house to
try to talk her into, intogoing out on tour again and all
this other stuff.
And she again you know rockstar boundary setter Boom, Nope,
(40:43):
I'm not going Like you getyourself better and you get well
and we'll talk about going ontour again.
So he wanders off and faceplants in some dirt in the
middle of a rainstorm, wakes upand finds himself a new house.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Well, and like when he was talking to her, he's like
well, I'm on a love walk andshe's like great Love yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Right, I didn't even go anywhere close to landing
where it needed to Like that.
That hit every part of thetarget around Johnny Cash and
nowhere where it needed to hit.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
He was too high for it to hit any kind of reasonable
.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Any kind of nerve.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So again, he was just high as shit out wandering the
woods, found a new house, boughtit, not terribly far from from
June, you know that's probablygood for him.
But after he gets this house he, you know, makes a phone call
to June and he convinces herthat he's trying to get better.
He's not, you know.
You see that he's just hidingit better, especially when, when
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they have Thanksgiving dinner,his family shows up and June and
her family show up.
So he's got his parents thereand June and her parents are
there.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And her kids.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
And and her kids are there, and her kids and her kids
are there, and so it's like,well, that's great.
His dad comes in andimmediately starts jumping his
shit about things.
A tractor he's telling his momabout how much of the property
is his, and talking about theproperty, his mom says I'm proud
of you.
The first thing his dad said iswhat's going on with that
(42:18):
tractor over there?
Oh, I was trying to pull astump with it and it got stuck
in the mud.
That's how you treat your nicethings, is, you know, to leave
them in the mud.
It's like, seriously, man, justlike back off for a second.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Well, and it's Johnny's tractor.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
It's not his.
Why does he care, right?
Oh, because he'd have killed tohave one.
His dad really pisses me off.
So much of the time that yousee him.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I told you he's a throat punch kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yes, but the nice thing about that, that whole
thing with Thanksgiving is thatis where he thing with
thanksgiving is, that is wherehe didn't do it in a healthy way
.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
but johnny finally confronts his dad about a trauma
that he's been living with forhis whole life well, and when
you hold, when you holdsomething in for that long like
it's gonna come exploding out,especially if you have no kind
of awareness, it just it willexplode and you should never
just sit there and hold thatstuff in.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
And that's what happens.
Yeah, and it came exploding outon his dad.
His dad wasn't very nice whenhe was talking about it, you
know when, when he came backwith his retort basically
telling, telling his own sonthat he's nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Well, johnny Cash was nothing he was.
His dad was a whole hell of alot less than nothing.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I mean, that's the whole thing.
Like you're telling a guy thathas gone literally from nothing,
a poor farm kid in Arkansas, tomaking a huge music career
overnight, you know like nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He did that as a last resort because he was going to
lose his freaking house.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Right, that whole confrontation though that ended
that holiday.
Johnny gets up and goes out andstarts starts riding the shit
out of that tractor.
I mean, he's about to break thedamn thing.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
He was burning some stuff up, for sure.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, and he's yelling at the tractor and all
kinds of crazy shit.
He is high as an asshole andhis parents leave.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
His dad just shook his head.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, just shook his head at his kid,
didn't, didn't stop to thinkthat.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
He caused that.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Maybe somebody should go talk to him, you know, or
something like that.
Like I mean, I think that evena poor dad like I don't mean
poor dad as in like a dad withno money- right.
A dad who's not a very good dad,even a dad, even a poor dad,
would be like you know, maybe,maybe I should go talk to him
because, because they would feellike it's their responsibility.
(44:47):
But this guy, he's, I think.
I think he was running from it.
I think he was running from thefact that that was a direct
result of the way that hetreated his son when he was
younger Awful, awful, awfulstuff.
But then the Carters leave,they get ready to leave, um, and
then they don't leave becausethey tell, they tell June, you
(45:09):
need to go, you need to go dosomething about your friend, and
she does.
He rides, rides the, uh, thetransmission all the way down
into the back into the river andand she jumps into the water
and pulls him out and gets himup on the shore.
And that's when theheartbreaking stuff happens.
And that's when.
That's when he says you shouldhave left me.
(45:30):
That was, that was where he,where he hit it, that was the
rock bottom, not rock bottomenough for him to get clean.
But that's why the Carter'sstuck around.
Uh, you find out that it's notjust June, that it's her whole
family.
But, yeah, they, they stuckaround to help help him get
clean and stay clean.
Um his drug dealer showed up andmet with a met with a fucking,
(45:54):
with a double barrel shotgunheld by Ezra Carter and telling
him to get the hell out of here.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Hey, Maybell had one too, dang it.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, she was right there backing him up with a
shotgun.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
you know like, yeah, that's awesome and can I just
say like the Carters were hisfound family.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And they only knew him as a guy that was kind of a
troublemaker, but they stayedwith him.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
His own family, who knew all of his history, just
left that saw that somebodyneeded help and that he wasn't
getting it from the place wherewhere most people would get
(46:44):
their help, and so they stayedto offer it and it helped like
go figure Right who to thunk.
So, so yeah, they help him ingetting clean, they they chase
his drug dealer off and and theythey let him go through the
withdrawals and all of thatstuff and before long, you know,
June's waking him, waking himup in his bed and with a, with a
bowl full of raspberries, allhe feels is gratitude.
He just wants her to stay there,because she, because she, was
(47:08):
there for him when nobody elsewas.
The trouble with it is thatwhen he woke up sober and he
woke up clean and all of thosewithdrawal symptoms were gone,
then he had no choice but toface his trauma.
He had to remember the thingsthat he and his dad said to each
other.
He had to remember all of thatstuff and he had to come to
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terms with it and he fell intodespair, which unfortunately, is
very easy for recoveringaddicts to do when they're
trying to come back from it.
They they hit a wall of despairwhere it just feels like
nothing is going to work forthem.
It's really hard to stay on apath of recovery when that
happens.
Now, this is so long ago thatrecovery isn't even a concept at
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that time.
It's just, you know, get yourshit together instead of,
instead of getting high, youknow it's that whole.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
rub some dirt in it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, bootstraps bullshit, you know, but he does
as he's facing it and workingthrough it.
You know they've got a cameraon him in this movie.
I don't know how it went inthat bedroom for real, but in
this movie he talked himselfthrough it.
And then, when he, when he cameto that melancholy conclusion,
june was there to tell him thatthat's not the case, you're not
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nothing.
You're not nothing.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
She told him like three or four times you're not
nothing well, and I like how,when he was sitting there going
through it and saying I've donebad things, she didn't like
sugarcoat it.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
She wasn't like oh no , you're okay she said yes, you
did well, and he told her Itreated you like shit and she
didn't.
Well, that's okay.
You know, that's one of thebiggest things that I hate when
people are finally starting totry to, you know, fix those
things in themselves.
When, when people tell themdon't worry, the horrible things
that you did to me didn'taffect me.
(48:58):
Right Because that gives thembullshit.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, that gives them less of an incentive.
They're like, well, if itwasn't that bad, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Right, Well, and not only that, but it also feels
like they're just discarding the, the effort that you're making
to to make things right.
I'm here to tell you that I'msorry for the bad things that
I've done.
Oh, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
It can also belittle the relationship, like oh, you
don't mean enough to me for itto have affected me.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Right.
So I like, I like how theydepicted how she handled it,
where she she just simplyaccepted it and that's awesome.
That's really good modelingthere.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And like with Vivian, when he would try to make
things better, she would sitthere and be like, well, you did
this to me and you did this tome, and June would just be like,
yeah, you did some bad stuff,but you're not a bad person.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
And then, after all of that,you know, then it seems like he
really does get better and whatwe would call today is a path of
recovery.
He starts to focus on helpingothers at that point.
And so he starts reading hisfan mail from prisoners uh, lots
(50:21):
of them from fulsome and someof them from other other prisons
and jails around the country,and things like that um and and
then he gets this idea to go andto go and play for them, to
play a private show at a, at amaximum security penitentiary.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
His publicists don't like that I like how he just cut
them off and be like you couldtalk to me.
I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Right, they were talking over him and he wasn't
like.
I mean, he was the one standingin the room, you know, and and
yeah, they, they just they werehaving a whole conversation
about him.
Like he wasn't there.
They, they made a good point,though, like not them, but but
uh, johnny cash did when they,they told him, you know, hey,
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your fans are christians it'sgood christian folks and they
don't want to hear that you aregoing and singing to a bunch of
murderers and rapists trying tomake them feel better.
He, he straightens up and standsup and walks towards the table
and he says then they ain't realchristians.
Then and it's like, okay, thatthat is cool.
Like it dressed in all blackwas was pretty cool, but then
(51:28):
when once he came off thatrailing and and and dropped
those words they ain't realchristians then that was the
ultimate cool right there.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Well, and that's what June was fighting with through
the whole movie, like that rudethroat punch lady in the
freaking store.
Right, I'm surprised yourparents even still talk to you.
I'm like talking about howdivorce is an abomination.
That lady was an abomination.
Just get out of here.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, that's especially at that time you
could see.
You could see how it wasstarting.
Abomination, just get out ofhere.
Yeah, that's especially at thattime you could see.
You could see how it wasstarting to change.
Because she walked into thatstore and that first couple that
she met knew just as well thatshe was divorced, but they were
still perfectly happy to meetJune Carter because she's June
(52:16):
Carter and a super friendly,super friendly lady, and they
were really happy.
And then the next lady doesn'treally have much nice to say to
her.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Well, and unless you're, unless you're around
that relationship, you have noidea what's going on.
It's none of your business.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Right, like when you look on on the relationships in
this movie, you start to seesome reality, uh, with a lot of
different things.
First off, how old was he whenhe got out of the air force and
got married to viv?
he had to have been young likewhen him and vivian got married,
they were both young.
They both got married beforetheir brains were done
(52:55):
developing, so of course, by thetime they were in their mid
twenties they were going to becompletely different people.
They didn't belong togetheranymore because neither of them
was with the person that theymarried, because neither of them
were the person they were whenthey got married.
Yeah, I have no idea what that'slike but I mean it would be the
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same thing with June and herfirst husband and likely
probably a part of her secondone.
But no matter what it was withthe second one, it ultimately
had to do with the fact that theuniverse and the cosmos had
destined June Carter to marryJohnny Cash.
(53:38):
So most of the rest of themovie is pretty much him playing
at Folsom, and that was a heckof a show.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
With the yellow water and you know don't sing songs
that remind them that they're inprison.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
You think they might've forgot.
Yeah, that's, that's great, youknow they.
They played it fulsome and thenthey went on to their next show
.
That's when Johnny was finallyable to convince June to marry
him and that's the end of themovie.
Because this is an older movie.
I really honestly, I couldn'ttell you what I, what I had
(54:15):
taken from the movie from backwhen I first saw it.
I don't know that I actuallydid now, watching it now with
the kind of knowledge that Ihave now.
I do have an active ingredient,but I will let you go first.
What did you have an activeingredient in this movie?
What was it?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
well, I mean there's a whole found family thing, but
I think the big one for me isyou can do all kinds of horrible
things, but you're a person.
People make mistakes.
That doesn't mean you can'tchange, that doesn't mean you
can't grow.
What matters is that you havesomeone at least a person there
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for you, helping you fight,getting you where you need to be
, because it's hard to changealone.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Right.
Something that I had kind oftaken from it this time was that
you know you kind of have to,you kind of have to keep in mind
your ambitions.
Your ambitions can become aproblem, especially if you're
not well mentally.
Spending a lot of your time onyour dreams can come at the cost
of your loved ones if you'renot mindful and careful.
I think the reason why thatkind of stuck with me this time
(55:22):
is because that that kind ofseems to be a thing for me.
Now I spend a lot of time on mypodcast and a lot of the time I
really worry about it.
That like, is my podcast takingup too much of my time with Jen
and is that going to jeopardizemy family?
I don't know if you've noticedor not, but like there are times
(55:43):
that it's like I try to, I tryto curb what I do with the
podcast stuff, to try to dothings that are that are a
little bit you know more for youand I.
Uh, even though we do thepodcast stuff together, it's not
.
It's still not you and I stuffit's.
You know it's almost like asecond job Some of the time.
This movie kind of reminds methat you know you have to be
(56:03):
careful to balance those things,and a lot of it is because of
Johnny Cash and Viv, the waythat he was unable to balance
his dream with his family.
His dream was his reality.
His family was the reality thathe had to wake up to and he
wanted to escape from.
I don't have the same feelingabout my reality, which really
(56:23):
helps.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yes, I try and be a nice girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
I don't know, that's just.
That's kind of what I took fromthe movie.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Well, like I said with with it when we were
watching it, you know the therelationship that you put your
time and effort and energy intois the relationship that grows.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
And I think their problem was that there wasn't a
lot of healthy conversation.
It was well, you want this,well, you don't do this, and you
know, if I want time with you,I just say homie, you me.
Some time, let's go right, Ilove you.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I love you too well, that's, uh, I think we're just
gonna go ahead and cut it there,uh, because I mean I think
we've been recording for alittle over an hour now.
Yes, I'm gonna have to.
I'm gonna have to cut plenty ofthis stuff out sucks to be you,
I guess yeah, spending time inthe editing room.
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Hello and welcome to MovieRx,where I prescribe entertainment
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I suppose that works good, uh,as you hear, bringing in for the
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Uh, I don't know how many times, but my producer is joining me
again on the show, the moviemovie rx.
Producer jen uh, my inspirationis is here again.
Welcome back, jen thanks so thisis a movie that neither one of
us had watched until like sinceit was new yes, it is I.
(01:33):
The last time I saw this was inthe theater oh wow, yeah, see,
I've seen it a lot more recentthan that, but like, but still
it was.
It was when it was fresh out onDVD, uh, that that I watched
this and, uh, this movieactually kind of changed my mind
about Johnny Cash.
Oh yeah, it was just I.
(01:56):
I wasn't, I wasn't the type toever go out of my way to listen
to Johnny Cash.
After watching this movie italmost felt like I needed to.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So now I have to buy you that record.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right, Well, something that, like, uh, Jamie
and I do a lot is like if, if anartist is struggling with
addiction, um, or or somethinglike that, and then they get
clean, then we'll go buy analbum.
I remember you telling me thatlike uh amy winehouse, we did uh
britney spears even and I amnot a britney spears music fan,
(02:34):
um, but it's.
It's just kind of one of thosethings where if they're if
they're making an effort to makethemselves better, then you
know, the least can do is is toshow support that way.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Um, they're just lucky enough to have that, that
way that I can help support themin their in their recovery.
This movie is also a BonnieWright feel good movie.
Bonnie Wright played uh JennyWeasley in the Harry.
Potter movies.
We know that for real, jen Jen.
You know that because you youhave the story, so I'll let you
(03:09):
tell it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Uh.
So, being as we're, you know,big nerds and my love of Harry
Potter, we went to, uh, Denver.
I believe they call it popculture con, cause they can't
call it comic con.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yes, that is now copywritten.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, so we went to Denver Pop Culture Con and I
went and stood in her line toget a picture with her and to
get her autograph and while shewas signing stuff I, you know,
was sitting there talking to herand I asked her you know what
is like?
Your go to movie?
And at the time it could change, because movies come out all
(03:50):
the time.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
At the time she said that it was Walk the Line and
that actually really shocked mebecause I don't know, I guess I
just don't think of peopleoverseas watching American
country music movies.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But I mean she did have that like button up shirt
on with the pearl buttons.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I guess yeah, no see, that's.
That's a cool story.
I think it's cool when we findout those little, those silly
little things about, you know,celebrities that nobody really
cares about, but nobody, most ofthe time, asks right like
everybody's all concerned aboutwho's dating who, who's
divorcing who and who's havingkids with who and it's like I
(04:36):
don't know.
I think I think it's reallycool and we can ask the people
in our movies about their movies, like the movies that they like
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, like I said, I was not expecting that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I figured it was a movie from you know hot fuzz
maybe not, let's think of the,let's think of the most famous
british productions monty pythononly yeah.
Only because, only becauseshe's british, she can only
watch brit movies.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I just yeah.
I figured we have so manymovies over here, so I figured
you know other countries did too.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Well, hollywood does kind of you know, invade.
I mean, there's so many otherplaces around the world use our
movies that they just dub and,and you know, subtitle and
everything but.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I just forget that, I guess.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, uh.
The goofiest thing you'll eversee is is an action movie, but
in French, I don't know it'sit's for some reason.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
it's just funny to me or a love story in German or a
love story in German Uh, it, it,uh.
It ends up coming off like amarriage story or something yeah
, where they love each other butthey also sound like they hate
each other right, exactly so, uh, basic movie info on this movie
(05:59):
uh, it's a 20th Century Foxproduction released in 2005,
directed by James Mangold.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I've already done one movie that he's directed.
That was Girl Interrupted.
I did that episode with Jamie.
He also directed 310 to Yuma.
This movie stars JoaquinPhoenix, reese Witherspoon and
Jennifer Goodwin.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Can I just say how fun Joaquin's name is.
Joaquin, it's just fun to say.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
In high school I was a little jerk and I'd just say
Joaquin.
All the time.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You being a jerk, no.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It got so bad that some of my friends thought that
I wasn't even joking and I'd belike you know joking Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, oh, my Atlanta Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Continue.
Imdb description on this movieis a chronicle of country music
legend Johnny Cash's life fromhis early days on an Arkansas
cotton farm to his rise to famewith Sun Records in Memphis,
where he recorded alongsideElvis Presley, jerry Lee Louie
and Carl Perkins.
I mean kinda that's a reallygood synopsis for the first part
(07:24):
of the movie.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Um, I mean, I guess the rest just falls in, I
suppose.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Just come along for the Johnny Cash story.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Or you could just watch the movie for the music.
That works too.
Next, I kind of go into theinitial movie impression.
This is like a more technicalsort of thing.
I'll go first.
The cinematography I thoughtwas really great.
They had really goodutilization, uh, of stage
lighting and spotlights formovie lights, um like the.
(08:00):
They use the spotlight quitefrequently, frequently as a
backlight for silhouettes and,uh, dramatic effect, uh, things
like that to kind of make youfeel like you're really there on
the stage with them, and stufflike that.
They were super creative withthe lighting in this movie and
and I think I think that's a biguh, a big selling point for
(08:21):
this movie Music pretty wellwrote itself.
I think it was.
It was, uh, johnny Cash, mostlythe uh, the movie original
soundtrack was pretty well whatit needed to be and, um it it
kind of took a backseat to to alot of the, the more notable, uh
, I guess more recognizabletunes.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, for sure, like um, well, you know me, I'm, I
don't, I listen to a little bitof everything, but I don't
listen to a lot of country.
Um, but the ones that theyplayed were definitely the ones
that I know, but there is onethat I was a little sad that
they didn't like sneak in in thecredits or something.
(09:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, his cover ofhurt oh, I love that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Trent resner apparently had said that that
song doesn't belong to himanymore because it's so, it's so
fit.
Johnny cash and his story andthe way he sang.
It was just so heartbreaking.
He was like it doesn't, it'snot my song anymore.
Have you seen the music videoJohnny Cash and his story and
the way he sang.
It was just so heartbreaking.
He was like it doesn't, it'snot my song anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Have you seen the music video for that?
Oh God, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, that's, terry up.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, that's for sure , like one of my, one of my
favorite songs that he has sung.
I know it's not technically hissong, but you know it's still a
banger.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
The.
I know it's not technically hissong, but it's still a banger.
The acting in this moviethere's not really much to
complain about.
I mean, it's Joaquin Phoenix,reese Witherspoon.
What do you expect?
Now, what I will say is and Idon't know if this was
intentional or not, but therewas a huge difference between
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Johnny Cash singing on his porchand Johnny Cash singing on
stage.
Yes, like when he was singingon the porch, even when he was
auditioning with that first song, it like it sounded bad, I
don't.
I don't know if it wasintentional, but once he started
(10:26):
doing the Johnny Cash personaon stage, then, damn, he was
spot on.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, it's like what the producer at the record label
said.
I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Right.
I love how he took thatliterally.
I don't believe you.
You saying I don't believe inGod.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Let's just say that he probably didn't get a whole
lot of education.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, no, Of course we don't want to jump too far.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh sorry, Too far ahead.
You tell me when to say thanks.
Too far ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You tell me when to say things.
Yeah, the singing was prettyastounding from just about
everybody.
For the vastest majority of themovie it was just the beginning
.
That was kind of eh, and therewere even times that, like, june
(11:24):
Carter, had a very unique soundand, uh, not to say that she
was a bad singer, but she wasn't.
She wasn't the talent that hersister was and and so she, uh,
her very unique sound, was it?
It didn't play to her benefitat the time, um, and there were
times that Reese Witherspoon waseven able to replicate that, um
(11:49):
, like the the honky tonky uhsong that she did.
That she, she could really likecatch that at at certain points
in that song and it was likeOoh, wow, that's really close to
what it really sounds like, youknow, um she cracks me up, like
when she performs it, just Ifeel like that's kind of how she
(12:10):
is in real life, is just supergoofy.
Everywhere June Carter went wasa USO show Like the.
The girl was just funnier inhell.
I mean she said in the movielike I had to funny because
anita was the one with thetalent and she wanted to offer
something and, and she stillwanted to offer something to
showbiz, and sure shit, I think.
(12:33):
I think she's pretty well thereal start of what could be
called classic stage stand upcomedy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, great, great, great stuff, which is crazy
because, like it, I feel like ittook women, like women had to
go through a bunch of shit,basically to to do any kind of
stand-up, because you know howmany guys out there like girls
aren't funny right, well, I mean, look at, uh, look at the
productions that you see there'sso few women on stage for, uh,
(13:02):
for that kind of stuff of stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But at the same time you look at those shows and you
look at some of the greats fromthat stuff.
Um, you know, I mean thatthat's where Bette Midler got to
start, you know, was doing USOshows and and that kind of stuff
.
And, uh, I mean some of thosereally heavy hitting performers,
cause they're not singers,they're not comedians, they're
(13:24):
not actors, they're justperformers, because they're not
singers, they're not comedians,they're not actors, they're just
performers because they doeverything.
And, uh, and she was definitelythat probably better at the
comedy than the vast majority ofthe people that she toured with
yeah, especially like and yousee her with the whole running
into Johnny and getting stuck onhis guitar and she just.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I can keep this funny for like two more minutes,
don't worry, right yeah, god, Imean we this is.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This is normally when I go into the character section
, but it's like this story isabout Johnny Cash and then after
that it's about Johnny Cash andJune Carter.
But the reason why it's firstabout Johnny Cash and then after
that it's about Johnny Cash andJune Carter, but the reason why
it's first about Johnny Cash,is because it's about Johnny
Cash and his uh and hisaddiction and something that
(14:16):
that came really like that, thatbecame really evident in that
in a lot of those addictionstruggles was was trauma.
I mean to talk about that, Isuppose we should just jump
right into the movie.
I think right off the bat youfind out, you know, you figure
out that his dad's a drunk everytime I see that man in
something, he is usually anasshat that's very accurate and
(14:42):
every time I see face, I'm surehe's a nice human being, but I
want to punch him in the throat.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like every time he talked in this movie, I'm like,
yep, you need a throat punch.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, and that was Robert Patrick.
He was the T-1000.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Like of course it's the horror of my childhood, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
You didn't recognize that he was also the, that he
was also t1000 I did, but Ididn't put it together until
just then.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But yes, he was the thing of nightmares in my
childhood yeah, so yeah, that'swhy you don't like him.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Uh, I mean, well, you don't like him because you're
not supposed to like him.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Because he's Ray Cash .
Ray Cash was recorded as beingquite a douchebag, but I don't
know.
You can't argue with RobertPatrick's acting in anything
he's ever in, but he does areally great job of making you
hate him.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, very much so.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Everything from forcing his entire family to do
his job for him Picking cropsbecause whoever it is that is
going to come by to pick him upis they're going to want what
they need and or what they werepromised, and he doesn't have it
because he was too busydrinking, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And he complains about not having money, but he
goes to the bar every Saturdayand drinks that away.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
One thing that I did like from that, though, that you
pointed out, is that his momwas really good at setting
boundaries.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Like she called him out on his drinking and like
don't, don't be getting on theboys, because, because you
screwed up.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And on top of that she's like you're not selling my
dad's piano.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You're not going to get rid of my heirloom for to
satisfy your addiction, yeah,which I mean first off at that
time balls in your face, likethat woman.
That woman had big old testesto stand up in front of her man,
like at that time.
Because I mean, it was justthat, wasn't?
That wasn't something that wastypical at the time and and I
(16:54):
what I really liked about thevery beginning of the movie is,
in a very short period of timethey were able to convey to you
what kind of connection JohnnyCash had with his older brother,
jack.
I mean, it's not unusual at all, for you know families in that
time where the oldest is kind ofthe star child.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And takes on a lot more responsibility than they
should, as a kid.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right, johnny even asks him you know what's?
Why are you so good, you know?
And and he just chalks it up tobeing, to being older and
bigger and stronger and and allof that stuff.
But there was a line that hethat he had said, you know, he
made it clear that he wanted tobecome, that he wanted to become
a preacher, that he needed toknow the Bible front and back.
Uh, and, and he said, becauseyou can't help nobody if you
(17:42):
don't know the right story, I, Icompletely agree.
Granted, I don't, I don't useany of the biblical, biblical
stories or anything.
But you know people, people whoknow stories of, of hardship
and things like that, tend to beable to help the people who are
, you know, in in thosestruggles.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well it's, it's like the main thing with our job.
I mean, if you have the righttools you could do anything.
But it's not.
Everybody has the right tools.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, and so I mean that's that's kind of why that
stuck with me, is that you knowif you, if you got the right
story, you can help um and andyeah, I really dig that.
But yeah, so anyway, they're uh, they're two brothers, they're
super, super close and then itgets.
It gets dark very quickly I.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I had completely forgot well, because it had been
so long since I'd seen themovie, but the second I saw that
scene come in.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm like the second you see the saw and and then
then you see it malfunction, uhand and kick that wood up and
Johnny goes in and stops the saw.
If it's been a decade sinceyou've seen this movie, that
will jar you loose and go oh God, I know what's coming, because
(19:05):
it's graphic, like they don'tshow.
They don't show anything aboutit, uh, except for you know when
, when he's laying on the bed,you know, and and covered in
bandages, and things like that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Can I just say that shop class was horrifying for me
, cause you know my luck, youknow how.
You know my luck, you know howyou know, graceful I am I?
I can hurt myself with, justlike slicing an apple, like how
many times have you got after mewhen I have a knife in my hand?
(19:40):
Yeah and they trusted, like wayyounger me around power tools
right like those.
I'm like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
yeah, yeah see, I don't think, I don't think I'd
be able to, you know, teach anysort of a class with power, like
table saws and things like that, with middle schoolers.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yep Middle school.
Middle school I I did.
I had to use a lot of thosetools and I'm like you guys are
stupid yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
When Jack goes in to go and do the uh, to chop the
wood, you know he sees thatJohnny wants to go fishing and
he just gives in and says youknow what, go ahead and go
fishing, I'll finish this up andhe leaves.
You know, as he's walking home,you know, with his fishing pole
or whatever he gets, his dadrolls up beside him in a car.
He starts getting on his caseyou know where you been, where
(20:39):
you been and makes him get inthe car and they go to the
hospital where where he findsout that his, that his brother's
dying, and he and in the carand they go to the hospital
where he finds out that hisbrother's dying and he sits
there and watches his brotherdie.
The way that his dad eyeballedhim and said where you been, you
could definitely see that hewas holding Johnny responsible
for what happened to Jack.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Oh, 100%, which is so not fair and I'm sorry.
Where was he Right?
That's a more appropriate job.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Sorry, where was he Right?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's a more appropriate job for a grown ass
man.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Right, and that was something that Johnny brought up
later in life, which, you know,we'll get to that a little bit
later.
But he blamed his what?
10 year old son.
I think he said 12 when hetalked about it later, it's like
really and that is a greatpoint Like so, when, when are
you going to take responsibilityas a parent and not monitoring
(21:32):
what your kids are doing?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, not only that, why is?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
your kid going and working for a dollar to cut wood
to save your ass.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Right?
Well, I was just going to saynot only that, like you're
putting blame on little kids,but you're also putting all of
that responsibility to makemoney for the family on your
young children.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right, which I mean we're.
We're really bagging on Rayhere, but it's fine, he deserves
it.
The nice thing to remember isthat Ray did get better.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Barely.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, well, it took him a long time and it's and it
was well after.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
he should have gotten better, but he did get better
but see, like the way that theyended that, like you don't know
if he actually got better witheveryone or if he was just a
nice grandpa that's probably agood way to soften soften
anybody's heart, that's, youknow, douchey.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
But then we start to see, like after after jack dies,
we start to see that there'salmost a pointed hatred from ray
cash to his, to his son yeah,he said that.
He said that it was satan thattook the wrong son well, yeah,
because you know he was gettingon or something he was getting
(22:45):
on uh, johnny's case forlistening to the radio, and his
mom told him hey, knock it off.
He didn't do this.
And ray said the devil did this.
He took the wrong son.
I mean, imagine growing up withthat.
I mean, if he was 12, the nexttalking point we have he's going
to the air force.
They, they skipped over thatwhole time.
From the time that he's 12 tothe time that they skipped over
that whole time, from the timethat he's 12 to the time that he
(23:06):
leaves for the Air Force.
I couldn't imagine what livingin that hell would be like.
Knowing that your dad feelsthat way, and you could
definitely tell when he didleave for the Air Force what
kind of state the house was in.
Like the rest of his family wassad to see him go.
They were proud of him but theywere sad to see him go.
They were proud of him but theywere sad to see him go, and his
(23:28):
dad just seemed like hecouldn't wait to get him off the
farm.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And he belittled what he was going to do.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Right, good on him for getting out of that, because
sometimes, yeah, even thoughyou've got family and it's kind
of stuck in that, you still haveto also think of your own.
Well, and then he got himselfout, went into the air force and
bought himself a guitar andlearned how to play it.
But, yeah, after that he youknow, I mean after his, his
service in the air force he gotmarried, uh, had a daughter and
(23:57):
moved to Memphis.
He was pursuing his dreams.
He was really reaching for himand and it really seemed like
that it wasn't going to happen.
Is that kind of what you felt?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
taped on the side of the base.
Oh yeah, so yeah, he had arough start, but I mean, I feel
(24:31):
like it was rougher because hiswife didn't believe in him.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That was really hard to watch sometimes, like the few
interactions that they hadbetween Johnny and Viv through
that whole starting section inMemphis was really painful.
I mean, on one hand you totallysympathize with Viv on being
concerned about him.
You know selling stuff andmaking money to be able to pay
(24:59):
bills and things like that andthat her dad had a job for him
back home.
You know where he would have aguaranteed job and guaranteed
pay.
But at the same time she wantedthat more than she wanted him
to realize his dream.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I don't know that she ever admitted that to herself
or to him I don't, I don't thinkso, like I think she yes, she
had a right to be worried.
Like it's the same thing.
I tell you you do, you do whatmakes you happy.
As long as we can pay the billsafter that I'm good.
But like even when, even whenhe was trying and getting going,
(25:39):
she just never seemed happywith anything he did there were
a lot of times that itdefinitely felt like.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
It definitely felt like they're just it wasn't ever
going to be good enough.
And it's funny because it madeit really hard for me to think
of him as the bad guy when hestarted to wander.
And I don't like that feeling.
I don't like not thinking ofthe guy that's looking at other
women.
I don't like not thinking ofthat guy as the bad guy.
(26:08):
But seeing how she treated himat home is what made that
difficult treated him at home iswhat made that difficult?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, and not only at home, like he called her right
when he got off stage, and shejust didn't even care.
Yeah.
She had kids running around andone of them got hurt, but she
sounded like he was a burdeneven talking to.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I don't know it .
Just it really kind of sucksbecause I don't know I had a
hard time feeling bad for her inat any point because, no matter
what he accomplished, shedidn't seem supportive, she
didn't seem happy, and I hate tosay that it that it came off as
ungrateful, because I highlydoubt that somebody would be
ungrateful about the life thathe was able to give her and half
(26:54):
of everything when she left.
It's kind of hard to not begrateful for that.
But yeah, I don't know, I justI guess I don't.
Really I don't feel like sheput enough into the relationship
in order to make him feel likehe was supported.
That is essential when he'spursuing his dream.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, and to her credit, she was at home with the
children and taking care ofthem, but I mean she didn't have
to work.
They could probably hire someassistants, and it looked like
there was often family around tohelp her.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, what was that At one?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
point.
Yeah, it was his sister.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, his sister was there.
That's the whole thing is notto her credit.
They had a support system andshe wasn't alone.
I would be a lot moresympathetic, I think, if it felt
like that she was there alonewithout any sort of help and he
was just out on tour all thetime.
But it sounded like he was ontour for a couple of weeks at a
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time and then he was home for awhile, and then he was on tour
for a couple more weeks at atime and then he'd be at home
for a while.
And yeah, maybe being home fora while is only a few days, but
I mean, he's doing the best thathe can.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
He has to go on tour in order to make the money to
provide the lifestyle that shewanted right and like and he was
doing it yeah, he was kickingass and taking names at it he
even volunteered to like he'slike you know.
I think I'm gonna call whoeverit was and see if I can push the
dates back and then she startedtalking about the letters, yeah
(28:35):
, and then got mad at him fortalking about the tour.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, that was.
That was a little unfair, likeI'm going to bait you into this
conversation and then I'm goingto, then I'm going to chew your
ass for for talking about itLike yeah, and it's not like he
was, you know, searching throughthose letters and reading those
letters.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
He's like dude, don't even, don't even pay attention
to them, don't open them, thoseletters.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He's like dude, don't even, don't even pay attention
to him, don't open them, justdon't even, don't even bother
right, which I I really lovelater on, the change in in the
checking the, the fan mail, howhe starts looking for the ones
from various prisons and jailsand things like that and and
reading that stuff.
That stuff's cool.
I that it was really it was aneat, neat change after, after a
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bright and sunshiny part of themovie.
But yeah, so you got thisreality that it doesn't sell
anymore.
You know, and and told him youknow, if you're dying in that
gutter and you could sing onesong, what would it be?
Is it going to be that or is itgoing to be something else?
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And then that's when he singsin Folsom blues and lands the
label, gets on the tour and andstarts making all of that money.
And his wife still isn't happy.
Before that she just wanted himto sell some appliances.
You know, like, come on now.
I don't feel bad for her.
I feel kind of bad for JohnnyCash, but then I also want to
(30:10):
call him a son of a bitch.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, because he goes on tour and then he meets June
Carter, like the June Carter,the one that he's been listening
to since he was, you know.
God only knows how young this,this woman, was made to be his
main squeeze.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Made to be his main squeeze.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well, yeah, I mean the kid.
The kid obsessed over listeningto that girl sing on the radio
his whole life, and then hefinally meets her, and then he
starts performing with her.
Like they clearly have aconnection, you know, like from
the very first time they talk.
And how convenient is it thatshe is at that time going
through a divorce like, or justor just coming out of a divorce?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But he gets.
He gets a little stalkery.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, he does, it gets that's, that's cringy.
Leaves a little bit of a, alittle bit of a you know nasty
coconutty type aftertaste inyour mouth.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You missed original.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Why do they have to add the coconut?
I prefer the original.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Now, that's a TV show you got after me.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It is a TV show, but yeah, well, actually while
they're on tour, when she's like, when they're starting to
figure out that a little bit ofelectricity that they have
between them, you know, Johnnymakes a push.
That was actually a reallygreat scene because she gave him
a copy of Khalil Gibran's theProphet.
That's a really good book.
(31:39):
I had no idea that that wouldhave been something on June
Carter's radar at all, but yeahanyway.
But he tries to kiss June andJune shows why he is attracted
to her.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Because this is something that any little boy
who grew up with a strong momknows is that you have to look
for strong women.
You can't have women that youcan walk over, and she sure put
a stop to it Twice Boom.
Here is your boundary andyou're not going past it.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, and she didn't do it in a rude way.
She's like I'm going throughsome stuff.
This is inappropriate Right.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And then when he tried it again, she's like what
did I just tell you?
Like she almost got on his caselike a five-year-old so.
But yeah, I mean she, shereally enforced her boundaries
and she wasn't going to backdown from him.
And that, I think, is whyJohnny Cash was so attracted to
June Carter, was because she wasa strong woman that wasn't
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going to be walked on.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And then he went and watched boys blow things up, and
then he went because he gotshot down.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
He went and did the angsty teenager thing and
started blowing shit up.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And that's when trouble started.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yes, it is because Elvis showed up along with, you
know, the rest of the, the restof the crew, and they've got
dexedrine, which is anamphetamine.
It's a prescription pill and Idon't know it's possible that
you know a few of them had thatprescription, but I'm damn
(33:19):
certain that they weren'tprescribed to take two, three,
four, five pills at a time, youknow so.
Uh, so I mean they were gettinghigh is what they were doing
and drinking, taking dexedrine,and drinking, and blowing,
blowing things up.
And blowing things up Likehorrible combination of shit
here.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Can I just say that I love that whole little thing
with.
Does your wife know you like toblow things up?
And he's like why do you thinkI married her?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Right.
But yeah, when he gets intothat pill-popping thing, then I
mean, pretty well, that starts adecline and it's very, very
slow.
It's very insidious in thismovie, but it amplifies and you
can actually see the levels ofamplification as he spirals into
(34:13):
oblivion as he spirals intointo oblivion.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, in a majority of the time that he well at
least in the movie that hestarts popping those pills is
when he's having issues withjune right.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, and and that's how it starts.
It starts when, when he's, youknow, frustrated and and having
big emotions, you know.
But then that's when the, whenthe addiction takes hold, and
then he just starts taking itall the time, and then he has to
take it to feel normal, youknow, after they take a big long
break and everything, they getback on tour and he falls deeper
(34:46):
into addiction where he just heneeds to have those pills
regularly, several times a day,you know, just to function as,
as a normal person would, would.
And by doing that he alienatesa lot of people, of course,
first off his wife, because he'snothing but tired when he's
home, you know, absolutelyexhausted.
His kids look like they'reafraid of him, uh, because he
(35:08):
doesn't look human.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Well, I don't know if they're so much afraid of him
or if it's.
They thought that he was likesick or something.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, because he didn't look well.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
No, god no.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
He was pushing away even the people, you know, the
people in the tour and thingslike that, because that was the
tour that he was doing, like itwas him backing the tour.
He was providing the venues andthe publications and all of
that stuff.
He was taking care of all thefront work and he was doing it
quote unquote as a favor forJune so that she had work.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And because he missed her.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And so he, I mean he started this whole tour.
And then they, his addictiongets deeper and it gets so bad
that he almost makes his heartexplode by taking so many pills.
And I don't I don't rememberwhere that was.
Was that Texarkana, or was thatGrand Ole Opry?
I don't remember which.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Texarkana was the bomb and the kisses.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh right.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I don't remember where that.
Oh, it might have been becausehe, because he was light.
Yeah, when he kicked the lightand he kicked the drum set and
all of that.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And then he, and then he collapsed because he damn
near made his heart explode.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, that was at the Opry.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay, and so, yeah, he wasn't allowed back there
after that.
That was his first opportunitythere, collapsing on stage in
the middle of a performance.
They closed the curtains, and Imean his band, even the
tennessee three come to him andsay dude, here is a plane ticket
, go the fuck home yeah, theysaid it was canceled and he said
(36:48):
according to who?
yeah, because he's the boss,right?
Yeah, well, there's no show ifthere's no band, right, you know
?
And they told him to get hisass home and to take care of
himself.
He doesn't have much of achoice.
But June took his pills, so hedidn't have any pills, and he's,
of course, going to figure outa way to do it.
(37:08):
Well, you've got a man that'sgot more money than the Pope at
this point, so his resources arethrough the roof.
He just goes to Mexico and buysa bunch.
I mean he had when he, when hegot busted at the border.
He had over 600 pills ofdexedrine and over 400 downers
(37:31):
of some kind.
I don't even remember what theywere, but the guy had over a
thousand pills and he got bustedat the border.
How, how fast do you thinksomebody would go through that?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
he was going through that stuff like it was nothing
well, yeah, because when he,when he first took it like you
saw them pour not like say hey,here's, they poured them in the
hand and took all of them.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, they weren't handing him pills like you hand
somebody you know a medication.
They were sharing pills likethey were fucking Skittles.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Like I mean it just good, god their taste in a
different kind of rainbow.
Right.
So he comes back with all ofthis stuff, gets busted.
Then you think, okay, so hejust had an opportunity to quit.
And he just had an opportunitythat that everybody around him
is telling him you need to gethelp, you need to clean up, you
(38:27):
need to, you need to figure yourshit out, man.
And he doesn't do it.
Instead, he goes to Mexico,gets more illegal drugs, brings
them back, gets busted on hisway back in.
And here's another opportunityfor him to learn right.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
He needs someone to push him.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, he doesn't learn and instead the spiral
continues.
He loses his family.
He and his wife get into a, getinto a physical altercation.
I mean luckily, luckily hedidn't seriously physically
injure Viv scared the shit outof her and his kids.
(39:06):
So I mean luckily nobody waswas seriously hurt or anything.
But but yeah, I mean he, he gotinto a physical fight with his
wife over a picture.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But it was a picture of June.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It was a picture of June, which, yeah, but still, he
got into a physical fight withher over a picture and she
started that fight over afucking picture.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
To be fair, if you start hanging pictures of other
women in this house, we're goingto have some problems.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well, I don't have.
I don't have any other picturesof other women to hang in the
house, but either way, like Imean seriously, the whole thing
with it is that she could havetaken that picture and she could
have been like, instead ofsmashing it on the counter,
which she knew was going toelevate the situation, Did she
honestly think that she wasgoing to smash a picture of june
(39:58):
carter and that johnny cash wasjust going to be like oh, I
guess I'm wrong, like that's nothow that works they start
smashing shit.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
People are going to get pissed they were both at
fault him him more so, but hewas also under the influence of
things and stuff just gotescalated, yeah Things just got
escalated and so in oneafternoon he loses his family.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Then he walks.
He walks from Memphis to Idon't even know where June
Carter lived, but it wasn't thesame town Walked to her house to
try to talk her into, intogoing out on tour again and all
this other stuff.
And she again you know rockstar boundary setter Boom, Nope,
(40:43):
I'm not going Like you getyourself better and you get well
and we'll talk about going ontour again.
So he wanders off and faceplants in some dirt in the
middle of a rainstorm, wakes upand finds himself a new house.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Well, and like when he was talking to her, he's like
well, I'm on a love walk andshe's like great Love yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Right, I didn't even go anywhere close to landing
where it needed to Like that.
That hit every part of thetarget around Johnny Cash and
nowhere where it needed to hit.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
He was too high for it to hit any kind of reasonable
.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Any kind of nerve.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So again, he was just high as shit out wandering the
woods, found a new house, boughtit, not terribly far from from
June, you know that's probablygood for him.
But after he gets this house he, you know, makes a phone call
to June and he convinces herthat he's trying to get better.
He's not, you know.
You see that he's just hidingit better, especially when, when
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they have Thanksgiving dinner,his family shows up and June and
her family show up.
So he's got his parents thereand June and her parents are
there.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And her kids.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
And and her kids are there, and her kids and her kids
are there, and so it's like,well, that's great.
His dad comes in andimmediately starts jumping his
shit about things.
A tractor he's telling his momabout how much of the property
is his, and talking about theproperty, his mom says I'm proud
of you.
The first thing his dad said iswhat's going on with that
(42:18):
tractor over there?
Oh, I was trying to pull astump with it and it got stuck
in the mud.
That's how you treat your nicethings, is, you know, to leave
them in the mud.
It's like, seriously, man, justlike back off for a second.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Well, and it's Johnny's tractor.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
It's not his.
Why does he care, right?
Oh, because he'd have killed tohave one.
His dad really pisses me off.
So much of the time that yousee him.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I told you he's a throat punch kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yes, but the nice thing about that, that whole
thing with Thanksgiving is thatis where he thing with
thanksgiving is, that is wherehe didn't do it in a healthy way
.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
but johnny finally confronts his dad about a trauma
that he's been living with forhis whole life well, and when
you hold, when you holdsomething in for that long like
it's gonna come exploding out,especially if you have no kind
of awareness, it just it willexplode and you should never
just sit there and hold thatstuff in.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
And that's what happens.
Yeah, and it came exploding outon his dad.
His dad wasn't very nice whenhe was talking about it, you
know when, when he came backwith his retort basically
telling, telling his own sonthat he's nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Well, johnny Cash was nothing he was.
His dad was a whole hell of alot less than nothing.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I mean, that's the whole thing.
Like you're telling a guy thathas gone literally from nothing,
a poor farm kid in Arkansas, tomaking a huge music career
overnight, you know like nothing.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He did that as a last resort because he was going to
lose his freaking house.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Right, that whole confrontation though that ended
that holiday.
Johnny gets up and goes out andstarts starts riding the shit
out of that tractor.
I mean, he's about to break thedamn thing.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
He was burning some stuff up, for sure.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, and he's yelling at the tractor and all
kinds of crazy shit.
He is high as an asshole andhis parents leave.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
His dad just shook his head.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, just shook his head at his kid,
didn't, didn't stop to thinkthat.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
He caused that.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Maybe somebody should go talk to him, you know, or
something like that.
Like I mean, I think that evena poor dad like I don't mean
poor dad as in like a dad withno money- right.
A dad who's not a very good dad,even a dad, even a poor dad,
would be like you know, maybe,maybe I should go talk to him
because, because they would feellike it's their responsibility.
(44:47):
But this guy, he's, I think.
I think he was running from it.
I think he was running from thefact that that was a direct
result of the way that hetreated his son when he was
younger Awful, awful, awfulstuff.
But then the Carters leave,they get ready to leave, um, and
then they don't leave becausethey tell, they tell June, you
(45:09):
need to go, you need to go dosomething about your friend, and
she does.
He rides, rides the, uh, thetransmission all the way down
into the back into the river andand she jumps into the water
and pulls him out and gets himup on the shore.
And that's when theheartbreaking stuff happens.
And that's when.
That's when he says you shouldhave left me.
(45:30):
That was, that was where he,where he hit it, that was the
rock bottom, not rock bottomenough for him to get clean.
But that's why the Carter'sstuck around.
Uh, you find out that it's notjust June, that it's her whole
family.
But, yeah, they, they stuckaround to help help him get
clean and stay clean.
Um his drug dealer showed up andmet with a met with a fucking,
(45:54):
with a double barrel shotgunheld by Ezra Carter and telling
him to get the hell out of here.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Hey, Maybell had one too, dang it.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, she was right there backing him up with a
shotgun.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
you know like, yeah, that's awesome and can I just
say like the Carters were hisfound family.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And they only knew him as a guy that was kind of a
troublemaker, but they stayedwith him.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
His own family, who knew all of his history, just
left that saw that somebodyneeded help and that he wasn't
getting it from the place wherewhere most people would get
(46:44):
their help, and so they stayedto offer it and it helped like
go figure Right who to thunk.
So, so yeah, they help him ingetting clean, they they chase
his drug dealer off and and theythey let him go through the
withdrawals and all of thatstuff and before long, you know,
June's waking him, waking himup in his bed and with a, with a
bowl full of raspberries, allhe feels is gratitude.
He just wants her to stay there,because she, because she, was
(47:08):
there for him when nobody elsewas.
The trouble with it is thatwhen he woke up sober and he
woke up clean and all of thosewithdrawal symptoms were gone,
then he had no choice but toface his trauma.
He had to remember the thingsthat he and his dad said to each
other.
He had to remember all of thatstuff and he had to come to
(47:28):
terms with it and he fell intodespair, which unfortunately, is
very easy for recoveringaddicts to do when they're
trying to come back from it.
They they hit a wall of despairwhere it just feels like
nothing is going to work forthem.
It's really hard to stay on apath of recovery when that
happens.
Now, this is so long ago thatrecovery isn't even a concept at
(47:51):
that time.
It's just, you know, get yourshit together instead of,
instead of getting high, youknow it's that whole.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
rub some dirt in it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, bootstraps bullshit, you know, but he does
as he's facing it and workingthrough it.
You know they've got a cameraon him in this movie.
I don't know how it went inthat bedroom for real, but in
this movie he talked himselfthrough it.
And then, when he, when he cameto that melancholy conclusion,
june was there to tell him thatthat's not the case, you're not
(48:24):
nothing.
You're not nothing.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
She told him like three or four times you're not
nothing well, and I like how,when he was sitting there going
through it and saying I've donebad things, she didn't like
sugarcoat it.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
She wasn't like oh no , you're okay she said yes, you
did well, and he told her Itreated you like shit and she
didn't.
Well, that's okay.
You know, that's one of thebiggest things that I hate when
people are finally starting totry to, you know, fix those
things in themselves.
When, when people tell themdon't worry, the horrible things
that you did to me didn'taffect me.
(48:58):
Right Because that gives thembullshit.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, that gives them less of an incentive.
They're like, well, if itwasn't that bad, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Right, Well, and not only that, but it also feels
like they're just discarding the, the effort that you're making
to to make things right.
I'm here to tell you that I'msorry for the bad things that
I've done.
Oh, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
It can also belittle the relationship, like oh, you
don't mean enough to me for itto have affected me.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Right.
So I like, I like how theydepicted how she handled it,
where she she just simplyaccepted it and that's awesome.
That's really good modelingthere.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
And like with Vivian, when he would try to make
things better, she would sitthere and be like, well, you did
this to me and you did this tome, and June would just be like,
yeah, you did some bad stuff,but you're not a bad person.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
And then, after all of that,you know, then it seems like he
really does get better and whatwe would call today is a path of
recovery.
He starts to focus on helpingothers at that point.
And so he starts reading hisfan mail from prisoners uh, lots
(50:21):
of them from fulsome and someof them from other other prisons
and jails around the country,and things like that um and and
then he gets this idea to go andto go and play for them, to
play a private show at a, at amaximum security penitentiary.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
His publicists don't like that I like how he just cut
them off and be like you couldtalk to me.
I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Right, they were talking over him and he wasn't
like.
I mean, he was the one standingin the room, you know, and and
yeah, they, they just they werehaving a whole conversation
about him.
Like he wasn't there.
They, they made a good point,though, like not them, but but
uh, johnny cash did when they,they told him, you know, hey,
(51:03):
your fans are christians it'sgood christian folks and they
don't want to hear that you aregoing and singing to a bunch of
murderers and rapists trying tomake them feel better.
He, he straightens up and standsup and walks towards the table
and he says then they ain't realchristians.
Then and it's like, okay, thatthat is cool.
Like it dressed in all blackwas was pretty cool, but then
(51:28):
when once he came off thatrailing and and and dropped
those words they ain't realchristians then that was the
ultimate cool right there.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Well, and that's what June was fighting with through
the whole movie, like that rudethroat punch lady in the
freaking store.
Right, I'm surprised yourparents even still talk to you.
I'm like talking about howdivorce is an abomination.
That lady was an abomination.
Just get out of here.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, that's especially at that time you
could see.
You could see how it wasstarting.
Abomination, just get out ofhere.
Yeah, that's especially at thattime you could see.
You could see how it wasstarting to change.
Because she walked into thatstore and that first couple that
she met knew just as well thatshe was divorced, but they were
still perfectly happy to meetJune Carter because she's June
(52:16):
Carter and a super friendly,super friendly lady, and they
were really happy.
And then the next lady doesn'treally have much nice to say to
her.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Well, and unless you're, unless you're around
that relationship, you have noidea what's going on.
It's none of your business.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Right, like when you look on on the relationships in
this movie, you start to seesome reality, uh, with a lot of
different things.
First off, how old was he whenhe got out of the air force and
got married to viv?
he had to have been young likewhen him and vivian got married,
they were both young.
They both got married beforetheir brains were done
(52:55):
developing, so of course, by thetime they were in their mid
twenties they were going to becompletely different people.
They didn't belong togetheranymore because neither of them
was with the person that theymarried, because neither of them
were the person they were whenthey got married.
Yeah, I have no idea what that'slike but I mean it would be the
(53:17):
same thing with June and herfirst husband and likely
probably a part of her secondone.
But no matter what it was withthe second one, it ultimately
had to do with the fact that theuniverse and the cosmos had
destined June Carter to marryJohnny Cash.
(53:38):
So most of the rest of themovie is pretty much him playing
at Folsom, and that was a heckof a show.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
With the yellow water and you know don't sing songs
that remind them that they're inprison.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
You think they might've forgot.
Yeah, that's, that's great, youknow they.
They played it fulsome and thenthey went on to their next show
.
That's when Johnny was finallyable to convince June to marry
him and that's the end of themovie.
Because this is an older movie.
I really honestly, I couldn'ttell you what I, what I had
(54:15):
taken from the movie from backwhen I first saw it.
I don't know that I actuallydid now, watching it now with
the kind of knowledge that Ihave now.
I do have an active ingredient,but I will let you go first.
What did you have an activeingredient in this movie?
What was it?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
well, I mean there's a whole found family thing, but
I think the big one for me isyou can do all kinds of horrible
things, but you're a person.
People make mistakes.
That doesn't mean you can'tchange, that doesn't mean you
can't grow.
What matters is that you havesomeone at least a person there
(54:54):
for you, helping you fight,getting you where you need to be
, because it's hard to changealone.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Right.
Something that I had kind oftaken from it this time was that
you know you kind of have to,you kind of have to keep in mind
your ambitions.
Your ambitions can become aproblem, especially if you're
not well mentally.
Spending a lot of your time onyour dreams can come at the cost
of your loved ones if you'renot mindful and careful.
I think the reason why thatkind of stuck with me this time
(55:22):
is because that that kind ofseems to be a thing for me.
Now I spend a lot of time on mypodcast and a lot of the time I
really worry about it.
That like, is my podcast takingup too much of my time with Jen
and is that going to jeopardizemy family?
I don't know if you've noticedor not, but like there are times
(55:43):
that it's like I try to, I tryto curb what I do with the
podcast stuff, to try to dothings that are that are a
little bit you know more for youand I.
Uh, even though we do thepodcast stuff together, it's not
.
It's still not you and I stuffit's.
You know it's almost like asecond job Some of the time.
This movie kind of reminds methat you know you have to be
(56:03):
careful to balance those things,and a lot of it is because of
Johnny Cash and Viv, the waythat he was unable to balance
his dream with his family.
His dream was his reality.
His family was the reality thathe had to wake up to and he
wanted to escape from.
I don't have the same feelingabout my reality, which really
(56:23):
helps.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yes, I try and be a nice girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
I don't know, that's just.
That's kind of what I took fromthe movie.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Well, like I said with with it when we were
watching it, you know the therelationship that you put your
time and effort and energy intois the relationship that grows.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
And I think their problem was that there wasn't a
lot of healthy conversation.
It was well, you want this,well, you don't do this, and you
know, if I want time with you,I just say homie, you me.
Some time, let's go right, Ilove you.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I love you too well, that's, uh, I think we're just
gonna go ahead and cut it there,uh, because I mean I think
we've been recording for alittle over an hour now.
Yes, I'm gonna have to.
I'm gonna have to cut plenty ofthis stuff out sucks to be you,
I guess yeah, spending time inthe editing room.
Now, if you have a movie that'sbeen medicine for you and you'd
(57:26):
like to be on the show, you canemail me at contact at
movie-rxcom, or you can leave avoicemail or text me at
402-519-5790.
If anxiety keeps you fromcoming on the show, you can
write me a couple of paragraphs,you can send it in a couple of
text messages and I can readthem on air for you.
(57:46):
Remember, this movie is notintended to treat, cure or
prevent any disease and we'llsee you at the next appointment.
Thank you, we are all the same.
(58:23):
So I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, weall need the same stuff, we all
(59:15):
need the same stuff.
We all need, need, need Someoneat home.
So I know, yeah, I know theonly thing I know.
(59:52):
So I know.
So the only you.
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