Hereditary (2018)

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Travis (00:00):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Movies,
colon, They're pretty good.
I'm your host, Travis Dudding,and today we are talking about
one of my favorite scary movies,horror movies, horror genre.
Probably, in my opinion andthis is just to date, from what

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I've seen, probably the scariestmovie I've ever seen.
Just nothing compares to thisone.
So let's get right into it.
Hereditary 2018, Ari Aster,newcomer on the scene.
He's done three feature filmsand, in my opinion, all three

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perfect.
Early on in the podcast, Icovered Midsommar, which was his
second film.
After this one, he's got oneother one just came out earlier
this year Beau Is Afraid andthat one is very different.
To be honest, I did not like itthe very first time I saw it,

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but just couldn't stop thinkingabout it, went to see it again
and loved it.
Just loved it all the waythrough.
It's just very different thanHereditary and Midsommar
obviously.
Without further ado, let's getinto it.
We open on an obituary for maincharacter Annie's mom, Annie,

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played by Toni Collette.
It just talks about the funeralarrangements and who she's
survived by and everything likethat.
I didn't write the whole thingdown, but first frame of the
film.
Then, in the opening shot, weget a view of the house where

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they live.
You see the tree house out inthe front yard.
Go into the house.
You see a room full ofminiatures and models.
There's including a model ofthe house that they are living
in.
We get a slow zoom on one ofthe bedrooms of the model house.

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It transitions from being amodel to the actual bedroom
inside.
This is Peter's bedroom.
Peter's the son.
There's two kids Peter older,son, Charlie the daughter,
younger.
Then Steve is the dad.

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Annie is the mom.
We see that they're gettingready for the funeral for
Annie's mom.
They're looking for Charlie.
We learned that she sleptinside the tree house, which is
apparently something she does alot it gets in trouble for

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because it's starting to getcold.
I know it filmed in Utah.
I don't know if that's whereit's supposed to be taking place
.
It gets pretty cold there.
We cut to the funeral.
Annie's given the eulogy.
She's talking about how privateher mom was.
She didn't have, as far asAnnie knew, didn't have much of

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a social life.
She's very ritualistic and keptto her ways.
We noticed, and so does Charlie, when they're doing the viewing
of the body.
There's an open casket, thegrandma's wearing a necklace

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with a certain symbol on itthat'll come back later.
As she's looking at thenecklace, she looks up and
there's a not older butmiddle-aged man just smiling at
her.
It's a really weird smile for afuneral or for life in general,

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just a weird smile.
We also see that Charlie hasthis tick where she does a
little tongue click with hermouth all the time.
It's never really outwardlysaid, she's on the spectrum,

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they never really say, or is shejust a little different, just
keep to herself.
They never say one way or theother, but she's a bit of an
outcast and treated that way alittle bit and protected a
little bit by the family.
She has this tick where shedoes the click sound with her

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tongue all the time.
We get our first glimpse ofthat.
She's eating a chocolate barand that's like the kind of
panics like hey, that doesn'thave nuts in it, right, because
we don't have the EpiPen, so weknow that she has a nut allergy.
Then we get a weird thing.

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Someone is in the line for theviewing of the body, puts their
finger in this little bottlewith an oil or something or lip
balm, but something rubs herfinger in the bottle and then
puts it on the grandma's body,on her lips, just interesting.

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It's not like it's the someonein the family, it's like one of
the random friends and stuff.
The family gets back to thehouse, steve's making sure.
It's just kind of ask Andy, hey, how are you doing?
She's like I feel weird, I feellike I should be sadder.

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Is that bad?
Then I was kind of like I getit.
So we can see that therelationship with her mom was a
little strained, but we haven'tgot any of the major details on
that yet.
We see Charlie in her room.

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She has a bunch of likesculptures that she makes out of
like found objects, like she'slike a little MacGyver Da Vinci
pretty much, and then she alsodoes a lot of drawings too and
we see like a few of hersketches and stuff like that.
Annie comes in to talk toCharlie just to see like how

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she's doing with everything andCharlie says like about the
grandma that she oh cause Anniesays you know you were always
grandma's favorite and Charliesays she wanted me to be a boy.
And Annie, you know, kind ofquestions it, but they kind of

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move past that.
And you know she says somethingreassuring but I forget what
exactly she says.
And then Charlie says who'sgoing to take care of me?
And like, what do you talkabout?
Like I'm here, it's like no,like when you die, and and he's
like, well, you know your dadwould take care of you, peter

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would take care of you, you knowit'll be okay, but like you
don't have to worry about thatanytime soon, basically.
And then just Annie's trying tobe more reassuring and just
telling her story.
Like you know, you never criedas a baby.
Like like ever, like even whenyou were born you never cried.
And then, like, as she'scomforting her and just like

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sitting with her, she like looksbehind the bed, on the
wallpaper and there's a wordcarved into the wallpaper and
it's like saton-y, it'sS-A-T-O-N-Y.
I wrote it down.
But Annie just clocks this butdoesn't say anything.
And you know there's not,there's not enough of an

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expression to read like whatshe's thinking about.
That you know.
But that'll come into play alittle later.
She goes up into I don't knowshe's in like maybe like a spare
room it's not the attic andit's not her mom's room, but
there's a bunch of boxes andstuff.

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And she goes through a box ofher mom's stuff and finds this,
this book.
That's what it is.
No, it's not.
It's just stuff that she gotfrom her mom Because it's a.
It's a book that her mom gaveher called Notes on Spirituality
, and there's a postcard in thefront of the book and the

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postcard kind of has like a likehey, like I'm sorry things are
weird between us but and I'msorry, going through a hard time
but everything's going to befine in the end and basically,
like our challenges will reaprewards in the long run, that
type of thing.
You know.
So it sounds like veryreligious, but you're kind of

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you can't really pin down whatexactly.
And when she goes to leave theroom and she turns off the light
, she sees like a ghost of hermom, like not like see through,
not like an apparition, but likeher mom is like there in the
room and she notices it, turnsthe light back on and she's gone

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, you know.
So she's a little like freakedout about that.
We see Charlie in class.
She's building like a littlesculpture thing, like she's got
like a like a little travel sizebottle of the.
What is it?

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The gold bond powder?
You know, it's like an emptybottle of gold bond, then the
travel size and she's liketurning it into like a guy, like
with like a paper clips forarms and stuff like that.
And the teacher comes by likehey, like how about we do that
later?
You know we could do that, notduring class.

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You know it's fine that you'reinto making little toys, but
let's pay attention in class.
Right after she gets like and Idon't want to say scolded,
because she's not like it's not,she's not like mean about it or
anything, it was like not justa nice reminder, but right after
she gets told like hey, youneed to pay attention, a bird

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slams into the window of theclassroom and like a real loud
thud like and you know everyonenotices and kind of a couple
screams and stuff, and butCharlie just doesn't even look
at the window.
She just like keeps staringforward and she's staring at a
pair of scissors on theteacher's desk.
Then we cut to Peter in hisclass and you know he's texting

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with a friend and there's a girlsitting in front of them.
That's like kind of throwinghints, like and she mentioned
something about, like she'stying it into whatever the
teacher's talking about, butbasically says like maybe people
need to be like, maybe peopleneed to pay attention to signs
that are right in front of them,like an obvious hints and stuff

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like that, and then gives Petera look like yeah, like I mean
you, like I'm flirting with you,like why don't you notice that
type of thing?
Then cut to Charlie outside ofschool.
She is, has the scissors, sheis finding the bird that hit the
window and is dead on thehedges and she cuts the birds

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head off with the scissors andyou know, just normal school day
stuff.
Then, after she cuts the birdshead off, she looks across the
street and like almost like shefelt like someone watching her
and she turns around and there'sjust a lady like standing
across the street just watchingher, and this isn't a woman

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we've seen before or anything,it's not one of the family
members, doesn't say anything,and just she's just there
watching.
So, back of the house, annie'swalking through the house, she
goes by her mom's room, whichand the doors open, and she kind

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of goes in there and there'slike this triangle like carved
or drawn on the floor Near thebed, and she didn't really spend
too much time in there and thenshe closes the door and says
like hey, like Steve, did youopen the door and he's like no,
I didn't open the door.
Like yeah, like maybe one ofthe kids did, but they're like

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all right, like, and then theygo and find the key to lock the
door from the outside and andhe's just like, I know it's
silly, but it just would make mefeel better if that room is
closed off and Steve's like yeah, like no need to apologize,
like I get it.
Do you know, don't worry aboutit.
Just like super understanding,as after he, like during this

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conversation, his cell phonestarts to ring.
He answers it and it's thecemetery calling, like we see it
on the caller ID and so he'stalking to them and we only hear
like his side of theconversation.
So he's like, but he's likevery hushed because he doesn't

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want to hear.
And he's like desecrated, likewhat does that mean?
Like so apparently the mother'sgrave has been desecrated by
someone, but we don't get toomuch information at that point.
That's all we hear.
And he says she's going to gosee a movie and then leaves on

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her own.
So that's the group sessionwhere for people coping with
loss, and but she's just likeembarrassed about it, I guess,
so she doesn't want anyone toknow that that's what she's

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doing.
So in the group they likesomeone's.
We hear, like the end ofsomeone's story.
The leader says like OK, likeyou know, we have some new faces
like what anyone like tointroduce themselves like no
pressure, but if you feelcomfortable and want to tell

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your story, like now's the timeto do it.
Annie raises her hand and thenkind of hesitates and she's like
, oh no, like, never mind like.
But then changes her mind againand starts to talk about her mom
and she talks about theirstrained relationship.
She talks about, like the kindof pressure that her mom put on

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her and how, like when Charliewas born, like she didn't want
to Feed or like she like kind oftook over and kind of like was
very pushy and would be like no,like you, like she didn't want

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Annie to feed her, like shewanted to feed her herself.
Maybe.
Maybe she says that when she'stalking to Charlie actually,
anyway, that doesn't matterbecause and then she starts to
talk about the rest of herfamily.
She talks about how her fatherStarved himself to death,
basically, and how her brothercommitted suicide, hung himself

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in the mom's room, blamed themom for it and said that in the
note that he was, that she wastrying to put people inside of
him, and they don't reallyclarify that.
And then what else?

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Yeah, so she just like unloadslike all this like very heavy
stuff, and then there's like thekind of an awkward silence at
the end and Everyone's just kindof like doesn't really know
what to say to any of thatbecause it's you know, it's
intense, like that's a lot ofstuff, and and then she also

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just talks about how she'sconflicted.
It's like I feel like I shouldbe sad, but like because she was
my mom, but here's all thereasons that that I maybe don't
you know.
So I cut to Charlie in her roomand she's a doing like another
craft, I think this now she hasthe head from the bird that she

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decapitated and she's puttingthat on a figure.
But while she's doing this ather desk, a, there's like a
weird light thing that happenslike throughout the Throughout
the movie and it's kind of hardto describe it Like without

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showing it, but it's almost likeit's throughout the whole room
and then it kind of comes tolike a finite point like around
Charlie and it's almost like itwas getting her attention and
she gets up and goes outside andAlmost like she's like
following something that wecan't see or hear, cut to Peter

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asking his mom if he can borrowthe car so he can go to a party.
He's saying that it's just likea barbecue that the school's
putting on.
Then Annie asked like like doesdoes Charlie want to go?
And he's like I don't know,like Well, did you ask her?
Is like no, like I'll ask her,you know, but I don't think

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she's gonna want to go.
Then we see Charlie outside andshe has followed this light or
whatever to Kind of like the topof a hill or she's got a little
bit down the hill, but she'slooking further down the hill
and she could see what looks tobe her grandma, like sitting

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amongst like a bunch of flames,like not that she's on fire, but
like there's flames around her,and she's just like watching.
And then Annie comes like hey,like what are you doing out here
barefoot, like you're gonna getsick! And Charlie's like I want
grandma.
And then, like this upsetsAnnie for whatever reason and

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maybe she's frustrated and she'slike you're going to this party
with your brother, like and,and the Peters like yeah, like
that's fine, like you knowwhatever, you know he's, he
knows that Charlie's not gonnahave a good time and you know,

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and it's like it's kind ofrefreshing because he's not like
fighting it.
You know, like like it might,might happen in a movie and that
might be like the tropey thingto do, but he really doesn't
like fight it, he's like, he'slike being logical about it,
it's like she, he knows thatshe's not gonna have a good time
but you know he's still gonnatake her because it's, you know,

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this is the big brother.
And so they're going to theparty.
On the way there we see atelephone pole just on this like
wide open road, and but theyfocus on the telephone pole
because the symbol from themom's, from the grandma's

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necklace is on the telephonepole.
So they're just like focusingon the symbol, like okay, that's
weird, you know, wonder whatthat means.
So, showing that the party Bunchof people there there's people
in the kitchen they're choppingnuts to make a cake, presumably
Peter is like, sees that girlfrom his class and just kind of

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talking to her and he's like hey, you smoke weed.
And like, and she's like, yeah,there's a bong in the other
room, like, let's go.
And it goes upstairs and thenTells Charlie.
It's like hey, like you justwant to hang out down here for a
sec and I'll be back in a fewminutes and like will hang out.
And she's like I got alright,like whatever.
And he's like, hey, likethey're handing out cake and

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she's like, not to everybody,it's like, yeah, like it's, it's
for everybody.
Like just go stand there andthey'll hand you a piece of cake
.
So she goes to get a piece ofcake and he goes upstairs to
smoke and we see her eating thecake.
And then we See her eating thecake and then we See her kind of

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like having a little bit oftrouble Swallowing it down
because she's allergic to nuts.
She didn't see them choppingthe nuts, we saw them chopping
the nuts and we know she'sallergic from the you know
Chekhov's chocolate bar at thebeginning.
And so we see her starting tohave an allergic reaction and

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she's, like you know, gettingsome water to see if that helps.
And it's not.
So obviously she goes.
She goes upstairs to get GetPeter and she's already starting
to gasp and she's like, like Ican't breathe, like it feels
like my throat's getting biggerand like, so Peter's like right

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away, like oh, my god, likelet's go like Rushes her out.
He's like carrying her out tothe car, gets her in the back
seat, gets in the driver's seatand just pulls out and he's
speeding down the highway likethey're like this house was in
the middle of nowhere.
So he's just trying to get herto a hospital and just like

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rushing and rushing because hedoesn't have an epi-pen with
them Just speeding down thehighway.
She's like in the back seat,like just like gasping and
gasping, and she's like pullingout her neck and everything and
she rolls down the window to,you know, get some more air.
And then she, but she's likesticking her head out the window

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.
And Peter's like, hey, like,don't, like, don't do that, like
it's okay, like it's gonna beokay.
We're almost to the hospital andas he's like looking in the
rear view mirror, like trying tolike Calm her down, he glances
back to the road.
There is a dead deer in themiddle of the road.
He swerves to miss the deaddeer.
Uh hit, swerves out into theshoulder.

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We see the telephone polecoming Towards, charlie, who is
has her head sticking out thewindow, and then we hear a thud
and we see the, the brake slamand just Silence.
All you hear, is the engine ofthe car running and Just and

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peter, just like and justsilence, that's it.
It's just him breathing, andbut we know what happened, he
knows what happened and he justis in complete shock, as is the
audience, as was I.
The first time I saw it I Couldnot believe it.

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Like, oh my god, like she justLike Whacked her head on this
telephone pole in a speeding carand Now there's no noise coming
from the back seat and he, like, he does like a glance in the
rear view mirror, but then likeis just like calming himself

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down, like because he's in shockand he's just like it's okay,
it's okay, like he's just likelying himself, like it's okay,
like all right, and then justslowly starts driving again.
And we see him pull into thedriveway and he gets out of the
car, goes in the house.

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You hear the.
We hear annie's voice from herbedroom saying like, oh good,
they're home.
You know, you know, just as aparent, like my kids were out,
they're home now they're stillin the car.
They're home now, they're safe,now I can rest easy, you know.
And we see him Go to his room,just get into bed Fully clothed

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in the clothes because he's justin shock.
He's lays down and like he'snot sleeping, though, like he's
just laying there.
We see him With his eyes likewide open.
We see it Transition to daytimeand it's the morning.
We can hear annie getting readyto go out, run errands,

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whatever, and it's it's, andit's just staying on peter's
face like wide eyes, wide open,like it's still in shock,
obviously like as anyone wouldbe.
And, uh, we can hear, like wecan hear annie's voice from her

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bedroom saying like Leave thehouse, open the car door, get in
the car, start the car, andit's quiet for a little bit, and
then just her screams.
And it's just, and the camera'sjust staying on Peter the whole
time, like we're just seeing itfrom, like we are him in the
scenario.
We're feeling the same exacttension that he is.

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It's crazy, like it's, it'sindescribable.
It's like it's the the maybethe most tense I've ever felt in
a movie.
Um, and still, like, still, whenI watch it, I'm just completely
captivated by this whole scene.
It's so horrible and perfect atall at the same time and we

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hear the mom's reaction and it'sjust gut-wrenching.
It's horrible, it's, it's likeman.
And then it's justtransitioning from her screaming
outside to Charlie's head inthe middle of the highway

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covered an ants.
So all we knew was that she hither head and was definitely
dead like that.
You knew that.
But yeah, her head was justlaying in the road.
It's daylight, it's covered inants, covered in blood,

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everything.
And then transition from that toAnnie on the crying on the
bedroom floor, just with Stevethere trying to console her as
much as anyone can, and he'sobviously going through it too.
That's still, that's hisdaughter, you know.

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And Annie's just screaming likeLike I, I just want to die, I
just want to die, I can't live,I can't.
You know it.
It's yeah, and it's just, andit just the.
The crying continues as ittransitions to Charlie's funeral
and it's the burial and we seethe, the casket going down and

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Annie's still screaming.
It's like the.
It's the same continuousscreaming and crying that
transitions all the way throughthis whole thing, uh, and the
camera lowers with the casketinto the ground and then Just
transitions out of that wholeHorrific bleak, like One of the

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most depressing scenes and I'mnot gonna say it's the most
depressing there's, there's someworse stuff, yeah, but man,
very, very heavy, and I gottasay like if there's one thing
Ari Aster does the best, it'scapturing Grief and loss and

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sudden loss, because it'sdifferent, like it's a different
loss when so when a relative issick For a while and I'm not
saying it's not hard to losesomebody that you love, when
it's like Been a long timecoming you know someone has

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cancer, they've had it for yearsand One day they are gone.
But You've had the time toprepare for it and it's still
hard, that's not easy at all.
A lot of times you're therewith them, you see them
deteriorate.
That's its own hard thing,that's very difficult.
But it's a whole differentthing when they're just gone.

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Like one day they're just gone,uh, like a freak accident like
this in hereditary, the Sister'ssuicide in mid-summer In the
beginning of the movie, likethose are very sudden things
You're not really prepared for.
Maybe a little bit more with theSuicide, especially in that

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case, in that movie where therewere a lot, where there were
some signs, you know, there wasobviously a fear like hey, like
she's doing this a lot, she'ssaying these kinds of things a
lot.
You know, but that's not alwaysthe case either with the
suicide.
And then you also are probablytelling yourself a lot like it's
okay.
You know, like the, the copingmechanism was being like, oh,

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like, she just always does this.
You know, like these emptythreats and stuff it's not
always an empty threat, they're,one day it could be real, you
know.
But yeah, I'm just saying like,I know I got off on a whole
tangent Um, because I can'trelate to uh, losing someone, uh

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, to a sudden loss, and that'swhy I know how Good Ari Aster is
at capturing that, because whenI'm seeing those scenes and I'm
watching them with my family,we know like, oh, my god, like
he, oh he, he knows what he'sdoing, like he's showing it very

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accurately, like, and we alsoget to see how Different people
process this Singular event.
We see Annie just completelyinconsolable, wanting to die.
Just, there is no hope, thereis no future.

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You know, just that was herlife and it's gone now, at that
point when her daughter died.
We see Peter in complete shock,immobile, nonverbal, just shut
down, just completely shut downas a functioning person.

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And we see Steven, the dad,just trying to keep everyone
together, including himself,like he's just the one who
stepped up, as like I'm the onewho has to hold it all together
and we see that like has itseffects too.

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You know, and I'm not sayingthat there's any one way to
handle something like that,because there isn't it's a
terrible thing and Like, youjust have to do what's best for
you and yeah, anyways, back tothe movie.

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Sorry, that was a long, tangent, uh, but yeah, just I I've it.
Just those scenes just affectedme so well, like Because there
was a level of relating to it.
Anyways, back to the movie.
Um, we see, uh, annie's beenKind of in order to, I think,

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feel a little closer to charlie.
She's sleeping in the treehouse.
She's got some heat lamps outthere which give off this like
red light out of the window,because you know the red from
the heat lamps, um, and that'slike that's her way of coping
with things.
Uh, we see peter in school andhe's just like completely zoned

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out.
Um, we cut to him with, uh, hisfriends under the bleachers and
he's probably just trying tofeel like Normal and whatnot.
So he's uh under the bleacherssmoking weed.
Uh, the other guys are alllaughing, he's kind of quiet.
He uh, he takes a hit and hestarts to like choking on it a

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little bit and starts to say,like you could tell he's like
struggling and he can't breatheand he's like gasping and stuff
and it's almost like echoinglike what charlie went through
before she died and he just likeJust breaks down, crying like

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and like holding hands with oneof his friends and stuff and
like just Trying to get throughit.
You know, just sobbing andeverything uh, uh, cut to later,
oh yeah.
And then we see him get homefrom school.
He rode his bike home, uh, hegets there like after it's dark,

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so he's probably like Killingtime and like dreading going
home and we see him.
We can see, we can see thatannie is in the car and she's
like kind of laid down a littlebit, like the seats like leaned
back, um, and she's just sittingin the car, cars off, but she's

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just sitting in there.
Uh, we don't know if peter seesher or not, but we see him lay
the bike down and he's standingthere like like he has to like
psych himself up and we see himlike clenches fists and like
kind of like squeeze like openclothes, open clothes, his fists

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, like he's psyching himself uplike to be home.
You know where he has to dealwith what happened.
You know around the people thatwere also affected by what
happened.
But once he does, like you know, get the energy to go inside,

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as soon as the door closes andhe starts the car and she drives
off.
We see her get to the parkinglot of the grief counseling
group session.
She's debating whether shewants to go in and she
ultimately decides that she'snot gonna go in and starts to

(37:13):
pull around to leave and then isstopped by a lady before she
can leave the parking lot and welearn her name is Joan and
she's like hey, like I saw youat one of the other sessions and
I haven't seen you in a while.
And Annie's like going to leaveand she's like, well, like,

(37:35):
because Joan asked like aboutyou know, if she's doing okay
with her mother, and she's, andAnnie kind of hesitates and then
comes out with it like well, Ijust lost my daughter.
And Joan like, oh, like I'm sosorry and so, and he's, like you
know, like I'm just not, I'mnot ready for this and I've just

(37:58):
forgot something at home, soI'm gonna go get the thing, and
it goes to like drive off.
But then Joan says I lost myson, and so Annie's like okay,
like this is someone I canrelate with.
You know, like we've both lostour children, so like I'm more

(38:20):
willing to talk to this persondirectly.
You know it's a easier way togo through this.
And she so Joan explains alittle more that she lost her
son and her ground son and theyboth drowned.

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So that's tough, you know.
And Annie's like, oh my gosh,like I'm so sorry, like that's
so horrible.
Like her grandson was onlyseven, you know.
She asked like how old Charliewas.
She tells her, and so she goesback home.
She gets home late, she getsinto the bedroom and or she's in

(39:06):
bed with Steve, but then shegets out of bed and she's like,
oh, like I can't sleep, and he'slike you're gonna go sleep
outside and again, huh, and it'sjust like what are you talking
about when it's like we'retaking the blanket?
And he's just like, well, likeI'm just worried about you, and
she's just like this just theonly way I can sleep, and I have

(39:29):
the heat lamp, so like it'sfine, you know, and it just it
sucks, because you know he'sgoing through.
He's going through it too.
It's the same event for him andI'm sure, and but everyone has
different processes for grievingand like he apparently needs,

(39:53):
like her, to be there with them,but she just needs to be alone.
You know, at least that's whatthey think.
You know each of them thinkslike this is what I need, this,
but I need, you know, and itcould be right.
But you know, it's just a hardsituation.
Obviously, peters in his roomand he hears Charlie, because he

(40:16):
hears the sound, and you knowit's like looking around but you
know nothing.
Then we see the the mail slot inthe door open and there's a
bunch of mail packed in there.
You know.
So either they haven't beenchecking it or it's just the
mail has already come, but thisflyer is coming separate.

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And then we see the flyer andit's for a open seance, is all
it says, with like the detailsand everything.
You see Annie going over toJoan's apartment.
Joan had given her her contactinfo, address, phone number, all
that.

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She goes to see Joan in there.
When she's knocking on the doorshe no like looks down and
notices Joan's welcome mat andit's like you could tell it's
like a homemade one and she's,like you know, like I saw your

(41:20):
welcome mat and my mom used tomake ones like that, and Joan's
like, oh, like that's cool, youknow.
Then we cut to them at the tableand Annie is telling the story
about how she found Charlie'sbody in the back of the car and

(41:41):
she's just like, and we hear say, like first I noticed that, you
know, the smell was off, likethat's the first thing she
noticed, like something doesn'tsmell right.
And then then she looked in theback and saw her body and then

(42:02):
how she didn't have a head, butshe knew it was Charlie because
you know, for hands and herfingernails, like each leg, and
it was Charlie's clothes.
You know, yeah, and just youknow.
Obviously she's breaking downcrying when she's telling this
and everything.
Then Joan asked, like how isyour relationship with Peter,

(42:27):
your son?
And that's where we find outthat their relationship prior to
this accident was alreadystrained.
Anyway.
She says, like well, Isleepwalk, and one time I was
sleepwalk.
Like I wake up and I'm inPeter's room and I'm covered in

(42:52):
paint thinner, and so is Peterand I'm holding a.
I'm holding the can of paintthinner and I'm holding a box of
matches, and like she says,like I woke up and I realized,
like what was happening, I blewthe match out, like immediately,

(43:13):
like.
And then she's like oh and then, but Peter just like can't
forgive me, like I wassleepwalking, I didn't do it on
purpose and all this stuff, butjust very like she never says
that, like she apologized, maybeshe did, but she's very like

(43:37):
what's his problem?
Like why can't he just forgiveme?
And it's obviously like ahugely traumatic thing, you know
, for him.
But it's obviously like, okay,like that's a little
understandable that thisrelationship is strained, you
know.
So cut to Annie, back in heroffice.

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She's making the miniatures.
I don't know if I mentionedbefore, but the reason she
builds these miniatures is likethat's her job, like she's
artist, she makes miniatures andshe has this gallery show
coming up which has beenpostponed because of the two
major deaths in her life, youknow.
But she's making a miniature ofthe accident scene of when

(44:25):
Charlie died.
And we see her like there's thetelephone pole, there's the car
, there's the severed head inthe road and stuff.
And Steven comes in while she'sdoing this and just is like a
halt, that like why, why are youdoing this?
Like what, if Peter sees this?

(44:47):
And she's like all defensive,like it's not about him, it's
just a neutral view of theaccident and stuff, and then
Steven's just like you know,just make sure he doesn't see
this like I know you have yourway of coping, but just come on,
like think about how this isgonna make him feel, you know,

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and she's very dismissive aboutit too.
So we cut to them having dinner.
It's just completely silent,except for like the sounds of
them eating and the forks andeverything like that, and just
very, very tense.
It reminds me a lot of like the, the dinner in Breaking Bad,

(45:29):
when Jesse's at the house andwhen Skyler comes home and it's
the three of them, and it's justsuper tense and awkward.
Then Peter finally breaks the,breaks the ice and just like you

(45:50):
, okay, mom, like somethingwrong.
And then she just leads to herjust like completely berating
him and like like even if I saidlike you just give me that smug
look or whatever, like I likeno matter what I do is gonna be

(46:11):
wrong, and everything like that.
And so she just like completelysnaps on them.
And then Peter hits her withlike oh cuz.
She's like why can't you justlike admit, admit what you've
done wrong?
Like nobody admits that they'rewrong, or blah, blah, blah.

(46:35):
And then so Peter hits her withlike what about you, mom.
She didn't want to go to thatparty.
You're the one that made her go.
And so then she that she'sadded after that, and then
finally Stephen like breaks itup and puts it into the whole
fight and everything and yeah.

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So then we cut to the next day.
Annie's at a art supply store,like a craft store, and she's
coming out and sees Joan in theparking lot like loading up her
car, and so she goes like Jonesat you and then Jones like super

(47:20):
excited and she's like ecstatic, like over the top, like her
whole personality is like turnedaround.
I mean, she's always been likea very nice, like joyful person,
you know, despite likeeverything that's happened in
her life, but like her energyand emotion and like joyful

(47:42):
emotion level is through theroof at this point, like
compared to how we've seen herbefore, and she's just like, oh
my god, like I'm having like thebest day, like something
amazing happened and I know itsounds, I know it's gonna sound
crazy, but I went to this openseance, so the thing that we saw

(48:03):
the flyer for earlier and she'sjust like, and it was like
incredible, like I went therefully skeptical and they had all
these like scientists andpsychiatrists that were also
like skeptics.
And I was sitting next to thisguy who was like a
neuroscientist or something likethat and like he, he didn't

(48:25):
believe anything and at the end,like he was completely
convinced and so was I.
And she says that, like they,they talked to some spirit from
the 1800s and all this stuff.
And Annie's like a little likeokay, like whatever you say, but
then, like you know, trying tobe nice about it and everything,

(48:46):
and she says that one of themediums came to her apartment to
do a seance there and that shecontacted her grandson and she's
like, what like?
And like she showed me how todo it and everything and gave me

(49:07):
a pamphlet and I just need youto come over like I'll show you.
Like, just like, trust me,trust me.
And then she's like, and he'slike very reluctant but like,
okay, like fine, like I'll gowith you.
So they, she goes to Joan'sapartment and they turn out all
the lights and Joan lights thiscandle and she has a glass, like

(49:38):
a drinking glass, upside down,and then they're gonna like put
their hand on the glass and theyboth put their hands on and but
they don't apply pressure, kindof like the Ouija board, like
how I forget what like thelittle triangle thing is called,
but so it's kind of like that.
And then they're gonna askquestions and she's like Louie,

(50:04):
like her grandson's name, louielike if you're there, like move
the like, move the glass left, Idon't know, remember, if it's
left for yes, right for no, viceversa, whatever, it doesn't
really matter.
But just like, can you do that?
And then the glass moves alittle bit and then, like that

(50:25):
freaks Annie out a little bit,like oh my god, like then you
know she's.
So she starts asking morequestions like Louie, are you
there?
And then the glass is movinglike a lot more, and then, like
the air is starting to changeinside the the room and Annie's

(50:46):
hair moves, like the wind blowsit like, but it's like it could
be the wind blew it or but itkind of looks like someone like
grabbed a piece of her hair andmoved it.
You know, like that's a littlemore movement than the wind, and
so she's like freaking outabout that.
And then Joan pulls out achalkboard and chalk and she's

(51:12):
like Louie, like can you likewrite a message on the chalk?
And then the chalk startsmoving by itself and writing out
a message says I love you,grammy, and like it.
The way that they they did thisseance was like I don't know,
it's just something about thepractical movements of

(51:38):
everything.
It didn't seem like it was likeCGI or anything like that, but
it was just super well done andsuper tense and super very good
attention building.
And Annie's like freaking outand she finally is like okay,
like, can we stop?
And the way that Joan says like, what, like, is crazy.

(52:01):
It's like a complete 180 on herpersonality.
Like, complete, like black andwhite, like she was a completely
different person when she sayswhat.
And but then, like it's almostlike she catches herself because
she is like, oh, like, likeit's okay, like we can stop,

(52:24):
like yeah, that's fine, that'sunderstandable.
I know it's a lot to take inand this than this, you know,
but when that initial, what isjust very interesting, the way
that she says it then we seeAnnie's driving home.

(52:46):
She's been given like a pamphletof like all, like the what to
say and how to, how to do theseance and how, like the whole
family has to be there, likeyour husband and your son have
to be there, and all this stuff.
And then, as Annie's leaving,joan says you didn't kill your

(53:08):
daughter.
And then so Annie's like, okay,like I know, I didn't, you know
, but just it kind of sits,weird, like what do you mean by
that?
So yeah, like I said, she'sdriving home and like, as she's

(53:28):
driving home, there's the clicksound like in the car and Annie
like freaks out and slams on thebrakes and turns around and
then obviously there's nothing,no one there, you know so.
So she's like super on edge.
We see her sleeping and I don'tremember if she's sleeping and

(53:52):
wakes up and notices or if she'sjust awake and notices but
there's ants on her pillow.
And then so she like gets upand then like they're all over
the bed.
But then she can see themcoming out of the wall and like
there's a trail like going downthe hallway.
So she follows the trail ofants and it leads to Peter's

(54:14):
room and we see Peter is likehis head is like completely
covered with ants, a lot likehow Charlie's head on in the
middle of the road was coveredin ants.
And we see she like opens hermouth like why it likes you

(54:38):
screaming like, but likescreaming in silence.
And then we hear Peter's voice,mom.
And then she like wakes up.
So she's been like sleepwalkingso that the ants were all a
dream, and but it like led herback to Peter's room again, like

(54:59):
in the other story, and Peterasks her like why are you afraid
of me, or why are you scared ofme?
And she says and immediatelyregrets when she says it that I
never wanted to be your mother.
And then like claps your handto her mouth, like, oh, my god,
like I shouldn't have said that.
And so Peter's like gettingupset, it's like what, like you

(55:24):
want me?
And like he's starting to cry.
And she's like like I, I neverwanted to be your mother.
Like I tried to have amiscarriage.
I tried to, I tried to stop it.
And because he's like, oh, like, then why'd you have me?
You know, like I tried to stopit, it's not my fault, and like
all this stuff, I tried to havemiscarriage and it didn't work.

(55:46):
And then he's like you tried tokill me.
And she's like no, it's notlike that.
And then they're like now theylook like all wet, like like
super sweaty and everything, butthen like a match lights and
it's like, oh, they're likecovered in paint then, or
whatever, and it's likeeverything goes up in flames and
then she wakes up again.
So it's double dream, dreamwithin a dream, you know.

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Then we like see her go to wakeup Peter, and she wants to.
Yeah, she's like gettingeverybody downstairs, like I
figured it out, like just comedownstairs, like we all need to
do this together.
So she wants to do the seance,so she practice it and whatever,

(56:33):
and then got, gets everyonedownstairs and obviously, like
everyone's a little like okay,like what's going on?
This is crazy, what are youtalking about?
Peter's more on board thanSteven, is Like he's the, the
bigger skeptic of the three orof the two, because Annie's

(56:53):
already had it proven to her.
So they all like gather aroundthe table, they're holding hands
, then, like as Annie's likestarting to try to contact
Charlie, peter's like do youfeel that?

(57:15):
Like it feels like the air isflexing and then there's a glass
breaks in a cabinet behind themand then Annie starts talking
in Charlie's voice and is likemom, mom, like I'm scared, like
what's going on, mom, this isscary, like Peter, what's going

(57:39):
on, like you know.
And so it's like Annie's con orconjured Charlie, but not in
the way that she expected,because she was trying to get
Charlie to write in hersketchbook but instead like her
voice was coming through.
And then like Steven ends uplike throwing water on her to

(58:02):
get her to like snap out of it,and Annie has no idea what
happened.
Like she's like, well, why doyou, why the hell did you do
that?
And like Peter's crying, he'slike sobbing because he's
freaked out, like he heard hissister's voice coming out of his
mom's mouth and like glass wasbreaking and the air is flexing
and everything.
So just super freaked out andStevens like still not convinced

(58:26):
on anything.
But it's just like why are youdoing this?
To Peter, you know like I don'tknow, I don't know how you're
not convinced something's goingon.
You know after all that.
But so cut to Peter.
Back at school we see that theweird light thing that happened

(58:50):
to Charlie before she saw hergrandma, like with the, with the
flames and everything thathappens to Peter.
Then he notices like thatthere's like a weird light thing
going on in the classroom andhe's like a little freaked out
about it.
He looks to the side and seeshis reflection in one of the

(59:18):
glass doors of the cabinet andhis reflection is smiling at him
and then like, as he's likelooking at the reflection, then
the sound happens like right,right in his ear and he like
jumps and stands up and theteachers like you, ok, and he's

(59:40):
like, yeah, I just need to go tothe bathroom and then he like
leaves the classroom.
Then we see that Peter called,called his dad, and when picked
him up from school that he waslike scared and wanted to come
home, completely freaked out.
Annie completely destroys allher models because she gets a

(01:00:07):
voicemail.
She can hear it on theanswering machine, like hey,
like this is the gallery, justwant to see how you're doing.
And she just like snaps andjust breaks all her models and
Steve's like what the fuckhappened?
And she's like I just didn'twant to look at them anymore,
you know.

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Then we see Charlie's notebookis drawing by itself.
It's laying on her bed and thenthe pages flip and then like a
drawing is appearing there's nolike pencil, like floating or
anything like that, just likethe sketches are just appearing
on the page and they're all ofPeter Like with his eyes, x,

(01:00:52):
doubt, and he's, it looks likehe's screaming.
See, peter wakes up and like ishearing the sound again, but
then he sees Charlie like in thecorner of his room and as he's
looking at her her head rollsoff, hits the floor and like is

(01:01:18):
like turns into like avolleyball or something, and you
know so there's a littlefreaked out by that.
Then we see the dog startsbarking in the hallway and the
door slams on the dog and thenhe's like hands come from behind

(01:01:44):
his bed and start like pullingon his head, like, just like
grabbing his head, and he's likestruggling and screaming and
everything like that.
And then then we realize thatit's Annie behind the bed and
it's like she was sleepwalkingbut like trying to pull his head

(01:02:06):
off.
Is that that's what Peter says?
Is like you're trying to pullmy head off and she's like no,
like it's fine, like nothing,like I wasn't doing that, you
were just dreaming that orwhatever.
And then so Annie tries to takethe notebook because she knows

(01:02:27):
that it was like drawing, shesaw the pictures and everything,
and she's like, you know, likesomething's not right.
I think I messed up, like youknow, trying to conjure Charlie,
so I'm just going to burn thenotebook and then be done with
all of this.
And so she goes to put it inthe fire and as the notebook

(01:02:48):
starts to burn, her sleevestarts to catch on fire.
And it's not until she grabsthe fire, poker, pulls the
notebook out and, you know,stomps the fire out, that her
sleeve stops burning.
So she's like, ok, like I triedto burn it and that didn't work

(01:03:10):
, because then I'm going tocatch on fire if I do that.
So she goes to see Joan, liketo figure out, like, what to do,
like hey, like you know, I tryto do the sands, and then all
this bad stuff's happening andyou know, just kind of confront
her like what do I do?
Like why is this happening?

(01:03:32):
Like did you set me up?
You know, whatever she's like,she just needs to go talk to
Joan because this is like theonly person that she can talk to
about this, and she's likepounding on the door trying to
get her to come answer anddoesn't seem like she's home.
But the camera from insideJoan's apartment, we see it kind

(01:03:58):
of pulling back from the doormore into the living room and we
see that there are shrines with, like the symbols from the
telephone pole and the grandma'snecklace.
We see a picture of Peter withthe eyes gouged out.

(01:04:19):
We see, and then we also seeall of Charlie's.
They say Peter with eyes.
Yeah, it's Peter with the eyesgouged out.
And then we see Charlie'ssculptures, like her toys and
stuff.
We see the gold bond guy, wesee the bird head, all those
like how does she have those aand why, like, what is her

(01:04:43):
connection to the symbol and whyis Peter's picture there, you
know?
And then we also see like thetriangle that was carved into
the grandma's floor in herbedroom is carved into the table
, so that's like part of it too.
So obviously Joan's not there.

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So Annie leaves.
We see Peter at school and he'ssitting out at like a lunch
table but like outside of theschool, and we hear His name
being called.
He hears his name being calledPeter.
He looks across the street andit's Joan, like yelling for him.

(01:05:32):
He's never met Joan so hedoesn't know who she is.
And she's like Peter, I expelyou.
And she starts saying thesewords that we've seen carved
into the wallpaper around thehouse because I forgot to
mention it was the satin.
And then there's a couple otherones that were carved in

(01:05:55):
different rooms and they kind ofjust were sprinkled throughout
the movie.
And she starts to say some ofthe words and she's like get out
and so, but no one else.
It's like a crowded outside butno one else is seeing her or
hearing her except for Peter.
So that's freaking him out evenmore.

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We see Annie back at the houseand she's going through a box of
her mom's stuff.
She picks up this book andshe's scrolling through it and
find some pages that arehighlighted and there's a
picture of like a guy on a horseor Camel, I forget, and it says

(01:06:40):
it's payment and he's like oneof the kings of hell and that
payment needs a male body, likehe prefers a male body.
And then there's this photoalbum and so the male body thing

(01:07:01):
.
Sorry, before I go on to thephoto album, the male body thing
.
That explains the throwawayline earlier where Charlie says
that grandma wanted her to be aboy.
So Annie picks up the photoalbum she's going through that.
There is a picture of Joan inthere.

(01:07:24):
So Joan was a friend of hermom's.
She had no idea Joan nevermentioned this and she's never
seen Joan in her life beforethis group thing.
Then there's these pictures oflike her mom as part of these
rituals where they're likeshowering her with gold coins

(01:07:44):
and stuff like that, so justlike a lot of weird stuff.
And then there's also.
Then we see yeah, this is alsoin the photo album there's
pictures of like all thesepeople in this cult, this group
or whatever, are praying to thefamily portrait of Annie, steve,

(01:08:09):
peter and Charlie.
It just like this, like afamily one that you put in like
a Christmas card or something.
They're just all bowing down tothis picture.
So you know, that's that freaksher out, obviously.
Cut back to Peter at school.
He's back in the classroom andhe sees like the light again and

(01:08:35):
notices it.
But it cuts away from that.
And we see that Steven hasgotten an email from the
cemetery and he opens the emailand then there's pictures of the
grave being like oh wait, maybeAnnie sees the email.

(01:09:01):
I don't remember, sorry, Idon't, but OK, anyways, an email
from the cemetery comes in andthe grave has been desecrated,
obviously like from before.
But now we actually seepictures.
We see that the grave was dugup completely.

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You see any go to the attic andshe opens it.
As soon as she opens.
It's one of those ones whereyou pull it down from the
ceiling.
As soon as she opens, the atticdoor flies, come out and so
obviously like OK, like what'sgoing on?
And she like coughs, likethere's a bad smell up there,
like OK, what is it?

(01:09:47):
She goes up there and in thecorner is presumably her mom's
body, but missing the head.
So we don't know for sure whosebody it is.
It could be Charlie's, becauseshe doesn't have a head, but
later Annie says I'm pretty sureit was my mom's body, you know.

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Then, also on the wall of theattic is a is the symbol from
before, but it's drawn in bloodon the attic wall, or maybe it's
the, the ceiling, but eitherway, symbols and blood.
Cut back to Peter in school.
He hears the sound behind himand then jumps again and but

(01:10:34):
then all of a sudden his handflies like straight up in the
air, like almost, like somethinggrabbed it and was like pulling
him up, and like the teachernotices, like Peter, you want to
have something to say, but then, like notice is something's
wrong.
We see Peter's face.
It looks like almost like notonly is his arm being pulled up

(01:10:58):
by an unseen force, but like his, like he's not breathing and
like almost like someone, likefish hooked his uh, his mouth,
you know, and is like pulling upon his cheek and because his
cheek like is like puffed out,he's like shaking and uh, like

(01:11:19):
his eyes are watering and stufflike almost like he's like being
punched too, almost like likehe got punched, and so he's got
his arm like straight up in theair and the one's like looking
at him like, oh my God, likewhat's going on, like this is
weird.
And then all of a sudden helike like he gets pulled back
and then his head slams into thedesk twice, like face first,

(01:11:42):
like smash his nose, head slamsin the desk and then he finally,
like it's almost like he gotreleased from whatever was doing
that, and he like flies backinto the chair and he's like, oh
, it's like screaming and crying, like what's going on?
And everyone's like shocked.
We see, uh, the phone ringingback at the house but Annie is

(01:12:06):
outside in the rain likeprocesses in everything she saw
or looking for something, we'renot really sure, but she's out
in the rain so she doesn't hearthe phone ring.
So then we see Steve get thecall from the school at his
office and so he goes and picksup Peter and he's taking him
home.
Peter's all bandaged up on hisnose.

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They hit a red light.
They're stopped at a red lightand Steve just breaks down
crying, like this is this iswhere he has hit his breaking
point.
He's been trying to keep ittogether this whole time and he
finally just hit the like justoverflowed, you know.
And then he just releases rightthere in the car and presumably

(01:12:54):
Peter's like all drugged up onwhatever pain meds, so he's just
like out of it in the back seatand this is Steve's time to
just cry it out.
You know, at the red light, well, it turned green and he's still
crying and everything, butthere's no one behind him.

(01:13:14):
He's pulling into the drivewayand he's out there and she's
like acting like super erratic.
She's like, oh my God, what'sgoing on?
And then, like following thecar and like looking in the
window, she sees Peter.
Steve's like not having any ofit, he's like he's hit his
breaking point not only with theemotions but also with her,

(01:13:36):
because he's just like not under, not understanding where she's
coming from, and she's alsogiven him very few reason to
believe her, you know.
So Annie helps Steve carry Peterto his bed.
They get him in bed, she tellsSteve about the attic and he's

(01:14:01):
like what are you talking about.
And so he goes and opens theattic.
He goes up there and is like ohmy God, like you know, we hear
him.
We don't see, we don't see himup there, but we hear him and he
comes down.
He thinks, cause he got thatemail and everything, he thinks
that Annie is the one that dugup the body because she's been

(01:14:24):
acting so erratic and everything.
And he also says, like that'swhat you've been doing.
When you say you're going tothe movies, you're going to
you're digging up her body andstuff like that.
And she's like no, no, no,because you know that this is
where her lying about, eventhough she was not doing that.

(01:14:47):
Obviously we like, from what weknow, like she was just going
to that grief counseling thingand but because she lied about
that, then that makes her lookmore suspicious, you know.
And then she's telling Stevethat she tried to burn the book
but then her arm caught on fireand that.

(01:15:09):
But I mean she's not doing avery good job of explaining it
because she's just so likepanicked and worried and
emotional and everything.
So like, as you would be, likeI'm not saying like, oh, like
she's a woman being emotional, Ijust like this is just how it
is for her.

(01:15:31):
And so she's trying to explainit to him.
She's just like not reallybelieving anything and like
almost like he's not even takingit in.
And she's just like no, like Itried to burn it, but I can't,
like I think it has to be you,like you have to burn the, the
diary, or not the diary, thenotebook.

(01:15:52):
And she's just like begging himand saying, like I love you,
like I'm so sorry about all ofthis, I love you so much, like
you're the love of my life, andlike he just can't bring himself
to do it.
And so like he's like nope,like I'm not going to do this,
like you need help and I'm notgoing to like play your games

(01:16:15):
anymore, like I'm done with this.
And she's just like okay, likefine.
And then she grabs the notebookand she throws it in, thinking
like okay, like I have.
You know, her thought process isI have to sacrifice myself for
the greater good, you know,because I just want this to be

(01:16:35):
over and I want him to be okayand I want Peter to be okay.
So she thinks, like fine, I'mgoing to sacrifice myself.
Throw the notebook in.
She throws it in Steve Burson,the flames.
It's like immediately full,fully engulfed in flames.
Not like the little flame onthe sleeve like that she got
earlier, she's just completelyup all the way, burns fully.

(01:17:00):
And as she's screaming, likewhile he's burning, or like the
silent scream like before, likein of shock, we see the light
from before kind of envelop herand as it like envelop her, she

(01:17:22):
like goes into, like a trance,like almost, like she's become
possessed by this light.
So now is like things have beencrazy.
Now this is where it getsturned up to a hundred.
We see Peter in his bed.

(01:17:42):
He wakes up and he's kind oflike, you know, because he's
been asleep on from the painmeds and everything and can slam
, slamming his face in the deskand everything.
So he wakes up.
He's like mom, dad, you know,and he's not getting any answer.
And it takes a while for you toreal, like us as the viewers,

(01:18:07):
to realize that Annie is up inthe, basically like Spider-Man,
into the ceiling, like the topcorner, like the top of the wall
corner and the ceiling ofPeter's room, and Peter's not
clocking her and it takes awhile for us as the viewers to

(01:18:29):
clock her, but she's just likeup there like hanging out in the
corner and it's like, okay,what the hell's going on?
And it's dark.
You know the sun's gone down atthis point, so that's why it
takes us, takes you a while tolike notice her there and then
we get like a kind of a more ofa close up on Peter's face as

(01:18:53):
he's like looking around and helooks like away from the door.
And as he's looking away fromthe door, this is where you'd
see fucking Annie like swimthrough the air.
It's weird, like it's thecraziest looking.

(01:19:14):
What I assume has to be apractical effect for it to look
this good, because, like I hatein movies where they do like the
, we're like a monster or zombie, something like that ghost like
moves to unnaturally, to whereit's like you know, like there's

(01:19:39):
a difference between practicalunnatural movements and digital
unnatural movements to where Idon't know it's.
It's closer, because uncannyvalley is like the when it's
like digital and it's too closeto real life, but you, like your

(01:19:59):
brain knows that it's not andbut it's just so close the.
There's something about thispractical effect and it's a lot
of what you get in like theexorcist as well, because that
was all done practically, and Ithink that's what makes that so
disturbing.
I'm going to spend way too muchtime on this, on this stupid one

(01:20:21):
effect, this one scene, butit's the one that stuck with me.
The first time I saw this movieI literally like in the theater
, I went by myself to go see itand like just out loud, like I'm
not.
I'm not usually like an outloud reactor, especially when
I'm alone.
But when I saw her like floatthrough the air and I just out

(01:20:42):
loud said, like what the fuck?
And someone else heard me andlike started giggling.
But like, yeah, I'm not an outloud reactor, especially when
I'm alone, because who am Isaying it to?
But like it was just gave mesuch a reaction that I like had
to express it out loud.
But yeah, so she like floatsout of the room like almost like

(01:21:06):
she's swimming.
So super weird, super creepy,great effect, love it Maybe.
Like my number one horror movieeffect of all time.
Peter gets up.
He goes downstairs At somepoint, I think when he's still
upstairs, you hear like a loudthud, but we're not really sure
what it is.
He goes downstairs, the piano'sknocked over.

(01:21:29):
That's something we hadn't seenhappen before.
So I assume that's what the bigthud is.
He's down there, he goes to the, goes to the living room where
he finds his dad's burnt corpse.
You know, I find his dad gotUncle Oen and Barude and so

(01:21:51):
obviously, like he's freakingout a little bit about that,
like not a little bit, he'sfreaking out a lot about that.
While he's looking at his dad,we once again see Annie up in
the ceiling, but she's likehigher up and it's she's in the
background, like a little out offocus, and Peter's up close, in

(01:22:15):
the foreground.
He hears a like, hears a soundor like, feels, like eyes on him
.
We see a naked man in the darkdoorway smiling at him.
I think it's the same guy thatwas smiling at Charlie at the

(01:22:37):
funeral, but I'm not 100% sure.
But it looks like the same guy,like same build, similar smile
and face, but obviously at thefuneral he had clothes on and it
was lit differently.
Then, like, right as he noticesthat guy in the doorway, then he

(01:22:59):
turns and Annie is, runs out ofthe corner and starts chasing
him, chases him up the stairsand he's just like mom, like I'm
sorry, like you know, heluckily runs up.
Well, I don't know about.
Luckily he runs up the ladderfor the attic, he gets in the

(01:23:22):
attic and closes the door, likejust in time, and then there's
pounding on the on the atticdoor.
You know that he's like sittingon and he's like pulling it
close and everything, and he'slike balling.
He's like mom, I'm sorry, I'msorry, it's okay, like, I'm
sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,like, just stop, like.

(01:23:45):
And then we cut to Annie, who ison like upside Well, you know
the attic doors on the ceiling.
She is on all fours on theattic door, pounding her head
into it.
That's what the pounding is andit's just like.
It's super violent, it's superlike, just super fast, like

(01:24:10):
unnaturally fast, like poundingher head, like oh, that's
another, like very that.
That's an image that stickswith you too in this one.
And then she finally stops.
He gets up from the, the youknow the attic door, the ladder,

(01:24:32):
and he's looking around becausehe notices that there's like
the flies and there's a badsmell.
He looks around, we see theoutline of the, the corpse that
was there, and it's almost likesawdust was dropped on the body

(01:24:54):
and then the body was removedand then the outline remained,
because there's like, it's verylike powdery and grainy around
like the outline of a corpsethat was there, but there's also
candles around it and symbolsand everything.
And then we see more nakedpeople just standing in the
attic smiling at Peter.

(01:25:15):
He notices this.
Then we hear like a squelchingsound, like a, and Peter looks
up and we see Annie floating inlike the crest of the attic

(01:25:39):
because it's, you know, underthe roof.
So she's up in the crest andshe has like something like a
piano wire, something like that,uh, and she's just going back
and forth like a sign throughher own neck and just back and
forth, back and forth, just likelooking down at Peter and um, I

(01:26:03):
think this is where he noticesthe naked people and jumps out
the window because his mom sawin her own head off and there's,
you know, weird naked people upin the attic and a outline of a
dead body and flies and symbolsand everything and it's all too
much for him.

(01:26:23):
He jumps out the window andlands in the garden with a thud
and then we get a slow, slow pandown to him as we continue to
hear the sound of Annie sign herown head off, and then the
sound stops and we hear a thudand like the head rolling.

(01:26:48):
And then we see the lightcoming down from the attic
window into Peter Lane,presumably unconscious, in the
garden, and the light goes fromupstairs into him.
And then we also see a shadow,which is looks like it could be

(01:27:14):
Annie's shadow, floating abovehim too, like away from the
window, and then he gets up.
We see Annie's headless bodyfloat from the attic up into the
treehouse, just floating upinto there, and then Peter gets

(01:27:34):
up and we get a close-up of hisface as he does the click.
So this is where I gatheredthat it was Charlie's soul,
spirit, whatever that possessedAnnie.

(01:27:58):
You know that's what took overher and then, once her, her body
was used for its purpose, wentdown into him.
It might be more complicatedthan that and I'll get into that
a little bit after I finish offthe.
We're almost at the end here.
So yeah, then he's walking overto the tree house, or Charlie,

(01:28:24):
whatever.
We see that the dog has beenkilled.
We see the dogs dead body.
We see more naked people in thewoods, like just hanging out on
the edge of the woods, climbsthe ladder up into the treehouse

(01:28:46):
.
There are people bowed downwith their heads bowed on the
floor.
It is like very well lit with abunch of candles.
Everywhere we see more of thesymbols.
Everywhere we see a shrine withit's almost like a full-size
one of Charlie's figures and thehead is Charlie's decapitated

(01:29:09):
head.
On this figure it has a crownand all this stuff.
We see the corpse of Annie'smom bowed down, you know, and
that's missing the head.
We see Annie's now corpse boweddown and blood pouring out of

(01:29:31):
where her head was, since hersis more fresh.
We see that basically everybodythat's bowed down is naked,
except for the two dead bodiesand one other person who stands
up and comes over to Peter,slash Charlie, and starts to

(01:29:51):
comfort as because looking downat the, they're looking down at
the bodies like, and kind of,almost like, worried and
noticing.
And then we hear Jones voicethis is Joan and she's like oh,
charlie, it's okay, like this isall, like you know, like this

(01:30:12):
is a good thing, you know.
And then she says that you arepayment the seventh king of hell
I don't know if it's seventh,but and then goes into the
speech like, like we got rid ofyour female body and gave you

(01:30:32):
this new healthy male body thatis fit for you.
And then, like, after thiswhole speech and then like we
reject the Trinity and likebring others to you and like all
this stuff, like this reallylike grotesque, disturbing, like

(01:30:54):
very uncomfortable, especiallyif you like have a religious
background.
It's very like oh, like andyeah.
And then they just startchanting like hail payment, hail
payment.
And then cut to black andcredits.

(01:31:16):
And then we will zoom out andwe see like the whole tree house
but like surrounded by black.
It's pretty cool, real coolshot.
But then, yeah, ends on thathail payment and then goes to
credits with this like oddly up,uplifting, out of character

(01:31:37):
song for everything you justwitnessed and oh man, just an
insane movie.
Yeah, so the way I gathered whathappened is that this entity,

(01:31:58):
payment, was supposed to takeover Charlie all along, which is
why the grandma was like soobsessed with Charlie.
But because car, becausepayment prefers a male body,

(01:32:21):
they needed to correct that ishow Joan put it and so they
needed so if this was allorchestrated either by a well,
obviously there is supernaturalthings going on, because some of

(01:32:41):
that stuff couldn't happen justfrom a crazy cult.
You know, obviously, like youcan have some crazy people,
believe some crazy things, butthat isn't explain how Annie
could be floating and stuff likethat, you know.
So, yeah, this whole thing hasbeen orchestrated from the

(01:33:03):
beginning.
Charlie's death, like cuz, herspirit needed to be able to
leave that body and go into amale body and her brother being
the ideal one for whateverreason.
And yeah, just just a crazymovie, lots to think about, lots

(01:33:27):
of memorable, iconic, justliving in my head forever scenes
.
And I just watched I mean, Iwatched it last year, but I just
rewatched the shutter thatservice did a 101 scariest movie

(01:33:49):
moments and which I think themoment that they picked was
Charlie getting decapitated.
But that was like the numberthree scariest movie or whatever
for that countdown, which issaying something for how new it
is.
I mean, it was only 2018, youknow, and with like a, with a

(01:34:16):
year like 2020 in the middlethat you know, not not a lot,
like obviously a lot of moviescame out, but in terms of the
whole span of horror movies,like that's not a lot of time
from 2018 and now to have thatreason of a movie be number

(01:34:37):
three.
And then what?
Two?
And man, what was two?
I don't remember, think two wasthe thing.
And then number one was TexasChainsaw Massacre, which is that
, yeah, that one's up there,that one's pretty scary.
Yeah, yeah, just a great movie.

(01:35:02):
I'm losing steam, I'm very tired, it is very late, but, yeah, I
hope you guys at least enjoyedmy rambling about this movie.
If you hadn't seen the movie,if you know, I understand, like
if you didn't want to watch thisone but just wanted to hear

(01:35:23):
someone describe it in a lessscary setting, then I hope this
worked for you and I hope Ifilled that void of not seeing
this movie.
And but if you are someone wholikes horror movies, I hope you
did see this one.
If, if you're on the socialmedia, like find the the post

(01:35:47):
for this, and if you have amovie that you think is scarier
than hereditary, let me know.
Like I know I'm not that I wantto like argue it or anything
like that or have like a debatelike I.
If there is one that's scarierthat I haven't seen, I want to
see it.
You know I I love horror movies.

(01:36:07):
I'm getting more and more intothem over the years, but you
know, from the first time I sawone to now, like I just keep
gaining and gaining and gainingmore knowledge of them and more
love for them and this one just,it's just an all-time favorite

(01:36:30):
from the moment I saw it.
And then leave you with onefinal story, the of the first
time I saw it in the theater.
As I was exiting the theater,one of the employees that was
waiting to go into clean thetheater.
As I exited alone into thehallway, I hear behind me the

(01:36:51):
sound and I turned around realquick and saw a guy there with
the broom and everything and Ijust laughed and I was like,
okay, you got me.
And then yeah, but yeah, lovethis movie so much.
Thank you guys for listening.
Stick around.
For the rest of the month I'lldo a couple more horror movies

(01:37:12):
and then back to some regularstuff for the month of November
and then obviously get someChristmas and holiday movies in
the month of December.
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