Wes Anderson

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Travis (00:01):
Hello and welcome to another episode of Movies,
Colon, They're pretty good.
I'm your host, Travis Dudding,and today we have a special
guest.
We got my friend, DougAlcantara.
Doug, would you say?
Hi.

Doug (00:13):
Hello, thank you for having me.
I'm truly so excited to do thisand, like a true good friend, I
have not listened to one minuteof your podcast before.

Travis (00:26):
As expected.

Doug (00:28):
All new to me very excited I'm as fresh as can be.

Travis (00:32):
Well, you know how you listen to all those professional
podcasts.
This is nothing like that.
It has no merit, value orcomedy.
Good, very good.

Doug (00:45):
Then I could just be myself then?

Travis (00:47):
Yep, exactly.
So today we're talking aboutWes Anderson.
Way back a few years agoprobably a lot longer ago than
I'm thinking we marathoned mostof Wes Anderson's movies.
That was a good time, I thinkthe only one that's right.

Doug (01:05):
we did it from Bottle Rocket all the way to Budapest.
I know Budapest.
Yeah, that's right.
Yep, yep.

Travis (01:13):
Yeah, that was great.
I think the only one, forwhatever reason Fantastic Mr Fox
would not play, is that wedidn't watch that one.

Doug (01:23):
I have to admit I was a little relieved because that
movie creeped me out.
Yeah, the most unaccounted.

Travis (01:30):
Do people complain about that?
I don't know.
I'm sure there are people thatdo.
It's one that I'm surprised hasas much fondness as it does,
but people really love that oneand yeah, I mean, I love it too.
We even watched it in my mediaaesthetics class.

(01:50):
I forget what the subject was,but it was an example.
When we watched the whole thing, I was like, oh, I don't have
to pay attention.
I've seen this a billion times.

Doug (02:02):
Oh well, great, that's awesome.

Travis (02:08):
All right.
So yeah, we're gonna go througheach of the movies, talk a
little bit about them, but we'lltalk a lot about Moonrise
Kingdom because that's yourfavorite, right.

Doug (02:17):
Absolutely yes.
I just rewatched it last nightwith family and it holds up to
the very high bar of a memory Ihad for it.
Yeah, that's great.

Travis (02:27):
Yeah, I did a rewatch of it last night too, and was
super glad I did, because, forwhatever reason this month not
all of Wes Anderson's movies arestreaming.
Usually you can find most ofthem, but right now you can't
and all of my criterions are ina box in the garage.
So I'm transitioning from stateto state.

(02:50):
So, but, yeah, I had thedigital copy on my iTunes so I
watched it on there and, yeah, Ilove that movie.
That's so good.
So, yeah, starting out, we gotBottle Rocket.
This is with Owen and LukeWilson and the third, less

(03:11):
popular Wilson I already forgothis first name Russell Wilson,
quarterback for the DenverBroncos, that's right, that's
right.
Another boomer playing brothersin the movie, and I think Owen
Wilson's nose helps that.

Doug (03:36):
I forgot they weren't playing brothers.

Travis (03:38):
Yeah, but they play like a group.
It's a group of like idiots,basically, that try to rob.
They try to get in with thislike heist group run by James
Kahn and they rob a bookstoreand then they hide out in the
hotel for a while and nothinggoes their way the whole time.

(03:59):
But it's hilarious.
It's, I'm pretty sure, a lot ofinspiration for things like
Napoleon Dynamite and NachoLibre.

Doug (04:09):
It's very similar humor style like I don't know, but I
completely agree.
I remember because I had notseen for the listeners, I had
not seen any Wes Anderson filmsbefore Bottle Rocket.
It was your idea to be like letme introduce you to the world
of Wes Anderson and we'll do theentire thing.

(04:32):
We'll do everything from thebeginning and I remember Bottle
Rocket not being what I pictured, because when I think of Wes
Anderson at the time, like itwas like Grand Budapest Hotel
and that imagery was everywhereand that was like what you think
of when you think of WesAnderson, and that this felt
like an indie movie, like you'resaying, like Napoleon Dynamite.

Travis (04:55):
Was it technically indie ?
Yeah, cause this was there.
They had made a short incollege of Bottle Rocket and it
got picked up in some festivalsand stuff like that and they got
the budget to make it into afull feature and cause they just
went to.
The three of them went tocollege together I forget which

(05:17):
university, but it was in Texas.
But yeah, that's basically whatit was.
They were friends, they madethis movie together.
It was Owen and Wes were thescreenwriters, yeah, and then
they were writing partners fornot the first half, but most of

(05:37):
the early stuff.

Doug (05:40):
Got it.
Okay, yeah, I loved it.
I mean a blanket statement.
I liked all of the movies, butBottle Rocket was a very
interesting because I got to, aswe like, watch more.
I got to kind of see him becomelike.
When I think of Wes Anderson, Ithink of the cinematography.

(06:01):
So that's what I was likelooking for from the beginning.
And here's where I need to makea disclaimer.
I have no idea what I'm talkingabout.
I hope this is good for thelisteners of your.
I have to.
I should have said from thebeginning top level.
I'm not really like a moviewatching person.
I enjoy great movies.

(06:22):
When someone's like let's gosee this, you have to watch this
, whatever.
My favorite movie of all timeis In Glorious Bastards, which
we watched together for thefirst time, and then Moonrise
Kingdom is probably right there.
I was disheartened to find thatit doesn't have that and I'm

(06:43):
very distracted, but I wasdisheartened to find that it did
not have the IMDb rating that Iwould give it.

Travis (06:49):
Dude.
Imdb ratings are all over theplace.
You got like a few that belongin the top 250, in my opinion,
but you'll find that most of thereally good movies are at like
the sevens on IMDb.
I feel like Letterboxed.
The app is a little moreaccurate, but still you got

(07:11):
people or a little toopretentious on there, so you got
like Sorry go ahead.
No, you got it's like IMDb isall like fanboys and they'll
like you know, oh, like Endgameshould be the like a 10 out of
10.
Yeah, yeah, okay, all eightbillion people on the planet
should have voted it 10 out of10.

(07:31):
So, and then also like, there'sa bunch of like Bollywood
movies in the top 250 and a lotof them are really good, but you
could tell that there's astrong Bollywood fan base that
are voting for movies on IMDb.
And then you got the people onLetterbox that are like oh, this
the hardest movie you've everwatched about the Holocaust from

(07:57):
a Russian perspective, and it'sthe and that's the number one
movie on Letterboxed.
Oh, my God, it's good, but it'sone of those like, oh man, I
need a shower after that.
I feel disgusting, I'mdepressed, I need to.

Doug (08:14):
Oh, my God.
Okay, good to know, because Iwas gonna ask.
I've seen people post like youknow, here's my Letterboxed
right Like.
As I understand it, it's likewhat is it?
Is it you?
Anyone can go on there and likesubmit reviews.

Travis (08:31):
Yeah, it's kind of like social media for movie freaks
like me and you go in, you canlog what movies you've seen, you
can rate them, like them, addyour four favorites and stuff
like that.

Doug (08:46):
Okay, got it.
Okay.
Okay, you have your top eightof movies.

Travis (08:50):
Yeah, pretty much.

Doug (08:51):
One of them gets really hurt and sad and posts
ambiguously about that.
They've fallen out of your topeight.
Yep Changes their song on theirmovie profile.
This is a deep cut for anyoneunder the age of maybe 30.
Yeah, perfect.

(09:11):
I'm immediately alienatingpeople.

Travis (09:15):
Well, according to my demographics on Instagram, like
we're good, okay, good, we're onthe younger end.

Doug (09:22):
Oh, great, well, hopefully I'm not alienating people above
as well, yeah.

Travis (09:27):
This is like aim, this is like mailing a friend.
Yeah, this is like pen pals.

Doug (09:37):
You'd give the letter to the man in the horse drawn wagon
.
Oh great, now I'm going too farin on the other way.
Anyway, I'm not so just yeah,so I'm not.
I've not seen many great movies.
I haven't seen many movies, butthe ones that I've seen,
largely at your suggestions,I've loved every single one.

(10:00):
I remember there was a, therewas a moment.
Is this good for structurewhere I just talk randomly?

Travis (10:08):
No, this is actually this I.
This is what I think makes apodcast great, and I think it's
what's missing from my podcastis just having someone else to
tangent with?
Ok, good, because Tyler's beenthe only guest and he's not a
good tangenter.
Ok, he's very on topic.

Doug (10:26):
Let me fill your, let me fill your tangent quota for the
next 100 episodes.
We were.
It was when we, you and I, tooka road trip across the country
from Maryland to San Diego yeah,technically to Mecula,
california, and we were in ElPaso and we watched.

(10:49):
Was it El Paso?
We watched the Phantom Thread.

Travis (10:54):
That?
Oh, where were we?
Oh, Phantom Thread was inPhoenix.

Doug (11:00):
OK, we were yes, yes, ok, ok, because we watched a game
night.
Yeah, that's right.

Travis (11:06):
Two very different, the opposite of the spectrum.
Yeah, oh, you know, it's greatafter.
Yeah, game night.
Phantom Thread.

Doug (11:17):
Man that Jesse Plemmons is a great actor.
What's this other one, yeah,and we watched, yeah, ok, so in
we were in Arizona and we sawthe Phantom Thread, yeah, and
that was maybe the most likeAward worthy film maybe I've
ever seen.
Yeah, perhaps.

(11:38):
And I remember walking out ofthat movie being like, ok, yeah,
I don't, I don't really knowwhat to make of it.
Besides, I'm, I'm veryimpressed and I don't know how
to like say why.

Travis (11:52):
Yeah and that, and that's literally like how I felt
after there will be blood thefirst time.
Because I had seen it with mydad at the theater and we were
both to like, hmm, his word, sir.
And then I just kept thinkingabout it, thinking about it,
thinking about it, and thenbought it.
When it came out on DVD thiswas pre-blue, right.

Doug (12:14):
That's right, and we watched it, yep, at your
parents' house, and I remembermaybe the first thing I said
afterwards was there.
There, finally, was blood.

Travis (12:27):
Yeah, as a promise.
It took two and a half hours atleast.

Doug (12:36):
At that the very least.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Another great one DanielDay-Lewis.
This is is incredible and yeah,I don't know like what
necessarily makes a greatperformance in a movie, but I
know that he's doing it.

Travis (12:53):
Yeah, yeah, because I feel like there's definitely
people that get Oscars for mostacting rather than best acting,
and but Daniel Day-Lewis, he's agood one, he's really good yeah
.

Doug (13:08):
Can I, can I get most distracting tangents?

Travis (13:11):
Yeah.

Doug (13:14):
Oh my gosh.
Ok, so that's a good recap onme, yeah, yeah, and my, my
attachment to movies and filmsand, yeah, cinema experiences.

Travis (13:28):
No, I think that and I think that covers what?
Because I don't want to go toodeep on Bottle Rocket, because
I'll probably give that one itsown episode someday, but, ok,
right, yeah, well, it's, it's sogood, it's, it's so different,
because oh yeah, I think that Iwas going to mention this Owen
Wilson was his writing partnerfor like the first few movies

(13:49):
and that shift into the WestAnderson we know now is more.
I think it's Roman Coppola.
This is current writing partnerand that's and they're all good
.
It's just you could tellthere's a vibe shift there.

Doug (14:06):
Got it.
Yeah, I definitely noticed inthe like opening credits of
Moonrise Kingdom.
Last night I saw a Coppola inthere and I remember thinking
you, you wouldn't have that lastname if you weren't.
Yeah, that can't be right,right, yeah.

Travis (14:24):
Who?
There's someone who is aCoppola that changed their name.
I forget if it's Nicholas Cageor something.

Doug (14:31):
Oh really, but he's like an actual yeah.
Ok, got it.

Travis (14:35):
I think even Jason Schwartzman, and that's probably
how, oh wow, yeah, oh Roman gotinvolved.
Maybe oh, meet my cousin.
He's a screenwriter and relatedto the one of the most famous
directors ever of all time.

Doug (14:51):
Yeah, is that a good enough pitch for you?

Travis (14:56):
Yep.
Well, speaking of JasonSchwartzman, next up is Rushmore
, which is the second one.
Yeah, that was the second Wow,and I think that's what's really
put, that's what really put himon the map.
I think like a lot of likepresence at the MTV movie awards
, that's one of the specialfeatures on the criterion

(15:16):
collection is all the like TVspots they did for MTV movies.
But yeah, that one's great.
That's.
Jason Schwartzman, when he'sstill a teen, has one of the
funniest lines ever.
That I don't think I want tosay because I'm going to butcher
it, but I kind of have to,though, because I mean,

(15:40):
hopefully you've seen the movieor we'll go see it and see the
actual good delivery of it.
But when Jason Schwartzman doesa play and he has a crush on
one of the teachers at theschool she he goes out to dinner
with her and his best friend 40years, his senior Bill Murray,

(16:04):
and she brings her boyfriend,luke Wilson, who just came from
the hospital because he's a,he's a surgeon and he's like oh,
nice of you to wear yournurse's outfit to my dinner and
he said these are our scrubs.
And he says oh, are they?
And that's maybe the funniestline ever.

Doug (16:29):
It's the most clever, at least because it's such a, it's
such a dig, without profanity oryes, yes, being like straight
up, like mean, but it is likejust so sarcastically, like I'm
immediately writing you off yourachievement, like you maybe
just saved a life, or earlierthis week had to, like tell a

(16:50):
family bad news.
Yeah, oh, are they?

Travis (16:54):
You only have like one of the hardest jobs to exist,
but I'm going to downplay theshit out of you.

Doug (17:04):
That's fun, I forgot.
Ok was Bill Murray in BottleRocket.

Travis (17:10):
No that.
So that's the only one, upuntil this last one asteroid
city that he wasn't in.
So the first Wes Anderson onethat he was in was Rushmore, and
then that started this trend of, or tradition of, him being in
every single movie, and it wasjust scheduling conflicts that

(17:30):
kept him out of asteroid city,and that's so.
Steve Carell's role wassupposed to be Bill Murray.

Doug (17:37):
Yeah, oh, got it.
And I don't think we've seenasteroid city yet.
And yeah, watching doing ourrewatch of Moonrise Kingdom last
night, we're like, ok, we haveto watch asteroid city.
Oh yeah, good to know, becauseI'll be now knowing the, the
casting change.

Travis (17:54):
Yes, yeah, ok.
So yeah, now, now you got towatch it.
Thinking about, because thefirst time I saw in a theater I
laughed.
I'm like wait, bill Murraywasn't in it.
And then I read that later yeah, got it.
And the score is great and abunch of great like iconic lines
to Jason Schwartzman, who'searly bloomer for sure, because

(18:16):
he's yeah, how old was he inRushmore?
I am not 100 percent sure.
I know he was under 18.
I feel like he was like 16,maybe 14.

Doug (18:26):
Yeah, but so funny, yeah he's.
He still kind of doeseverything with like that boyish
charm.

Travis (18:35):
Mm, hmm, yeah, and he's still.
He's still out there.
You know, putting in the workhe was in the he voiced the
villain in across the spiderverse or beyond.
What is it?
The?
Whatever?
The second animated Spider-Man.
That's not MCU, but is goodyeah.

Doug (18:56):
Yeah, whatever that is.
Yeah, I've been told it's greatagain.
Yeah, not that Now I'm not amovie guy.
Yeah.
But also when people starttalking to me about comics, I go
cross-eyed, oh yeah.
And people, people go.
I know I'm sure that it's awork of art.
People say that animation islike next level it's.

(19:16):
They've put so much like sweat,blood and tears into this thing
and I go really good for them.

Travis (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, that was, that was my take for the longest
time.
And then I would just neededsomething.
I was with the kids and thesecond one was going to be
playing in the theater here.
I'm like you know what?
I never saw the first one.
Let's watch the first one andsee if.
And if it's good, we'll go seethe second one.
And then we saw, we did thatand they were pretty good.

(19:44):
But yeah, I'm the same way withcomics.
I know next to nothing.
Most of my knowledge is all MCUbased up to end game, and then
now I'm like losing steam onthat.

Doug (19:56):
Oh, yeah, big time yeah.

Travis (20:00):
I think everyone.

Doug (20:01):
America is the world.
I have no idea what happenedafter end game.
Yeah, we tried watching some ofthe like MCU stuff on like
Disney Plus, and I don't likeLoki was probably the last one
we watched which I enjoyed.
I know that there's a seasontwo of that, Maybe we'll watch
it.

Travis (20:16):
But we tried to watch Hawkeye and made it two and a
half episodes in or like yeah,for me, like Loki was the best
one of those, because I watchedmost of them up to a certain
point and I still haven't eventouched season two.

Doug (20:31):
Yeah.

Travis (20:31):
And, like Miss Marvel is , or the Marvels, miss Marvel's
the show the Marvel's, the newone that's in the theater is
going to be the first one Iwon't see in the theater since
the first Guardians, and thatwas just because I had little
kids in 2014.

Doug (20:50):
Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, Did you like Wanda vision?
I did, I did.
Yeah, yeah, that one was good.
Yeah, maybe I can be on thatone because I loved that.
If when you you know, obviouslyI love movies, they're pretty
good is going to tackletelevision streaming series,
when you do that one.

(21:10):
Yeah, I almost called this, Ilove films.

Travis (21:20):
That's a different sub podcast of another.

Doug (21:24):
That's a.
That's a.
Yeah, that's another subpodcast within a spin off of a
podcast.
Yeah.

Travis (21:33):
Oh, my goodness.
So I think next is Royal Tenenbombs, and I think this is where
he like.
Really, this is where hecemented his style of the like
very symmetrical, those pastelcolors, big casts like lots of

(21:53):
cameos, quick dialogue.
I mean all that was like kindof creeping in.
But this is where it's like.
This is where he made hisblueprint of.
This is Wes Anderson style, hmm.

Doug (22:05):
Okay, yeah, speaking of like, I've been trying to like
put my finger on like what ishis style, but you're right
Symmetry.

Travis (22:15):
His style is in this book that I found and like oh my
God, I have to have this.
And it's awesome yeah, but yeah, very just, I don't know, it's
very aesthetic.

Doug (22:28):
I want that book to.
I want like a.
I want like a Of a Wes Andersonstyle landscape in my house
somewhere.
Yeah, people say, oh, are you abig Wes Anderson fan?
And say yes, but don't ask metoo much.

Travis (22:49):
Well, you probably, you probably know more about Wes
Anderson than most of the peoplemaking the Wes Anderson TikToks
did.

Doug (22:58):
Those were great.
I really liked they were good.
Some of them were really reallylike yeah, good.
It was those.
They're probably like filmstudents or something.

Travis (23:08):
Yeah yeah, you could tell who was like real into it,
like either real into film orknew what they're talking about.
And then there's people thatwere missing, missing the point,
I think.

Doug (23:21):
And then there were some that were just like scubity
toilet, yeah, which is?
I don't know that ever happened, but that's trying to make fun
of a.

Travis (23:35):
May or may not exist yeah.
Yeah, Royal Ten and bombs isgreat.
A lot of weird Only dynamicswhich I think a lot of people
can relate to.
I do have a question, though Doyou think that the sibling

(23:56):
relationship is what started thestep brother porn craze?

Doug (24:03):
Okay, Unfortunately, I'm more familiar with one of these
things what is the I don't soRoyal Ten and bombs I don't have
, like I don't remember verywell.
So it's a sibling relationshipin it and who gets in the?
Dishwasher or whatever.

Travis (24:23):
Yeah, no, gwyneth Paltrow was the adopted sister
and hit and her and LukeWilson's character so her
adopted brother are like kind ofinto each other, but it's like
one of those forbidden lovethings.
I don't know if like anything.
I don't remember anythingconcrete happening, but yeah.

Doug (24:47):
Okay, you're maybe.

Travis (24:50):
Yeah.

Doug (24:51):
When did Royal Ten and bombs come out?

Travis (24:53):
That was like 2001,.
I think.

Doug (24:56):
Okay, so we're in the shadow of 9, 11.

Travis (24:58):
Yes, Maybe that relationship is what that was
the branch in the multiverse.
Yeah, oh, my God.

Doug (25:18):
Oh my God, that is funny to think.
I wonder what is like the?
I hope it was a piece of mediathat inspired this whole genre
of other media, and hopefullynot because I remember when that
first started becoming a thing,because I first saw jokes about
it.
Yeah, what?

Travis (25:41):
Yeah.

Doug (25:41):
It's disgusting.
Yeah, as you know, I couldpossibly imagine someone being
like searching for that, becausehere's where it came from.
Probably someone, yeah, ruin inthe head.

Travis (25:59):
Yeah, it's like looking for something.
I search results.
Yeah, yeah, oh, this doesn'texist.
Once I've done right, do ityourself.
And history was made.
Not good history, no, no.

Doug (26:21):
Search history.
Search history was cleared.

Travis (26:29):
Oh man.
So yeah, that's a, that's Rose.
What are you doing?
Step tenant bomb, all right, soafter that it's life aquatic.

Doug (26:48):
Yes, it's another.
This is the first one Iremember seeing marketing for
when I was a teenager I wasmaybe 13 ish probably when I
started seeing and I rememberthat's probably the first like
Wes Anderson art that I had everseen like movie posters up and
billboards and then commercialsand stuff.

(27:11):
This was like, oh, that looksreally interesting, but I didn't
have any appreciation for thework leading up to it.

Travis (27:20):
Yeah, at that time I feel it's the same for me, not,
not, I think about it.
I know I heard about Royal Tenand bombs a lot, but that was
just at school, so I was justother people that were a little
ahead of me, art wise, I guess,art film wise, but yeah, that

(27:40):
that's.
That's probably the first one Iremember seeing a lot of.
That's Bill Murray's, the starof that one, a lot of good.
This is when he starts dippinghis toe into stop motion as well
, because there's like some ofthe sea creatures or stop motion
.
That's right, got him the, Iguess, got his foot in the door

(28:04):
to do Fantastic.
Mr.

Doug (28:06):
Fox, right, that's right, yep and Isle of Dogs, etc.
Etc.

Travis (28:12):
Yeah, but yeah, he uses it a lot later on, even if it's
not like a full movie.
There'll be a random shots,like there's a little woodpecker
or road runner that goes acrossthe road and asteroid city that
you could tell is like stopmotion.

Doug (28:29):
Oh, that's cool, it's fun.
Yeah, I'll look for it.
And that's also played by SteveCarell, yes.

Travis (28:37):
Actually, the whole movie is all Steve Carell.
It was COVID, so he just didevery role.
Oh my God, steve Carell asMichael Scott.

Doug (28:53):
Running across the street.
Yes, can you give me a plotsummary of the Life Aquatic, so
Life?

Travis (29:01):
Aquatic.
I can't remember it.
So Bill Murray is Steve Zizou.
That's the full title LifeAquatic, the adventures of Steve
Zizou.
Then no, I think it's LifeAquatic with Steve's?

Doug (29:17):
Yeah, I think so.

Travis (29:18):
And then he's the host of like a Jacques Cousteau type
docuseries basically, and hispartner got eaten by a shark way
back and so he's out on like arevenge trip to go find the
shark and kill it.
And Owen Wilson is hisestranged son that he didn't

(29:46):
know about, I think and he's apilot I think airline pilot and
he goes along with the adventure.
And then there's a journalistthere kind of documenting
everything.
She's played by Kate Blanchettand, yeah, bunch of different
people.
Willem Dafoe is on the crew andhe got, I believe, brazilian

(30:11):
singer, so George or Sue, Idon't know how to.

Doug (30:16):
That's the guy playing the guitar through.

Travis (30:17):
Yeah, he's the one with the guitar doing Bowie covers
the whole time and so cool.
It's one of the bettersoundtracks, I think.

Doug (30:25):
Yeah, that's so neat.
Yeah, I remember I think it'smaybe the opening crawl of that
movie, where it's kind of likethis cross section view of maybe
the submarine or something,where they're just going like
room to room.
Yes, you're just like seeing.
That's something he does, Ithink a lot, and he definitely
did it in Moonrise Kingdom, ohyeah, where they're just showing

(30:47):
you characters and they're justso inherently interesting just
doing like writing a note orpainting something or playing
guitar.
Yeah, they go.
Wow, I can't wait to find outwhat that guy's deal is.

Travis (31:00):
Yeah, literally like they could be doing anything,
and then he just can make itlook so interesting.
Yes, which is something I wastalking about in my last episode
about David Lynch.
But, he goes like a completelydifferent way but also makes it
just feel very interesting.
Yes, and it's the most mundanestuff and you're just like, oh

(31:22):
man, he just want to keepwatching and watching.

Doug (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, the beginning of each like.
Sometimes, like when I'mwatching a movie, like when a
scene ends and something newbegins, that's when I grab my
phone and then I wait for likedialogue or something to happen.
That like grabs my attentionback.
Yeah, but I don't find myselfdoing it.
I definitely couldn't do thatwith Moonrise Kingdom, because

(31:46):
every time a new scene startsthey've set up a new campsite or
someone is smoking a cigarettein an interesting way, or
something you know like it justfrom the onset it grabs your
attention.
You miss nothing.
It's like first flash of ascene.
You're already like, oh, howdid this happen?
Yeah, so, and the colors aregood for the neuron activation

(32:10):
in my brain.
Yep, just pretty colors on thescreen.
Like a kid watching YouTube fornine hours straight.

Travis (32:19):
Yep, it's great for the iPad kids.

Doug (32:26):
Wipe my nose, kick my feet up in the air.
Yeah, Off loud tongue out ohman.
Okay, yes, I'm remembering LifeAquatic more now.
This is making me remember howmuch I loved all of these and

(32:48):
would more than happily watchthem all again.

Travis (32:51):
Yeah.

Doug (32:52):
Yeah, seven times.

Travis (32:54):
I just want to go in the garage and find all the, find
them all.
I could watch all of thembecause I only got to do a few.
I rewatched Bottle Rocket,moonrise Kingdom, asteroid City,
isle of Dogs and one other oneI don't remember.
Yeah, oh, probably Fantastic,mr Fox, because that's on like

(33:16):
HBO or something.

Doug (33:18):
Sure Okay yeah.

Travis (33:19):
Yeah, but really want to rewatch these this one, this
next one, darjeeling Limited,that's one I've probably seen
the least, but that's like the.

Doug (33:31):
That's one that has a scene that affected me the most.

Travis (33:34):
Yeah, that's like one of the heaviest ones of all of
them?

Doug (33:38):
Yes, that's just like.
It's Adrian Brody.
Who else is in, like the crewthat's on the?
All I can remember is AdrianBrody, very distinct, yeah.

Travis (33:49):
Adrian Brody, jason Schwartzman and Owen Wilson and
their brothers.
Yeah, yes, okay yeah.

Doug (33:58):
That was a great adventure type thing, if I can remember
correctly.
I guess a lot of his movieshave like a grand quest that
someone is on, but I think thatone was really, because this one
, oh my God.
The scene that I'm rememberingspecifically is when the kid

(34:19):
drowns in the river.

Travis (34:20):
Yes, yeah, and it just happens you know, yeah, the way
that it shot Right in the middleof all the whimsy yeah, a kid
dies, a kid dies.

Doug (34:31):
And then it's just real heavy for a few minutes and they
can save him.

Travis (34:33):
Yeah, they try.
Yeah, adrian Brody tries tosave him.

Doug (34:36):
Want to edit this?
Yeah, because a phone call juststole the focus from my
headphones and I reconnectedback to my laptop and Spotify
started playing Foo Fighters.
We wanted to give you some tonefor the dead kid in the river

(34:59):
story, that's right, it waslearning to walk again, which is
impossible, yeah, okay, let meput on two night of stirrer so
it doesn't happen again.
I'm sorry, all right.
Now you're good, yes, so yeah,that scene in that movie is so

(35:20):
poignant to me.
I remember it being like we'refun, we're on this like romp
adventure and, oh my God, a kiddies.
Yeah, yeah.

Travis (35:31):
Like real heavy out of nowhere and it's done so well
too.
It doesn't feel like it stilldoesn't.
It doesn't feel out of place,even though tonally it is, but
it fits with the movie and it'scrazy, oh yeah.
Yeah.

Doug (35:46):
And it's.
They do the funeral as well.
After that it's like kind ofceremonial and they, yeah, yeah,
that was heavy.

Travis (35:55):
Yeah, and they're like welcomed into the community for
a little bit and everything, andthen they, you know, eventually
they move on with their questand I think it's like a bonding
thing after their dad died, if Iremember right.

Doug (36:09):
Yeah, is that what was the ?

Travis (36:12):
Like what the whole purpose of their trip?
Yeah, the inciting incident.

Doug (36:17):
Yep, no Is a term, I think is?

Travis (36:22):
Yeah, it is, but do I know enough to know if it's used
correctly?

Doug (36:33):
Oh, my God.

Travis (36:35):
Yeah, okay, so after that I really should have wrote
these down.
I used to have it likememorized Think after that is
Moonrise Kingdom next.
No, fantastic Mr Fox is next.

Doug (36:52):
Oh, interesting, so that happened before Moonrise Kingdom
.
I thought that all of the kindof stop motion stuff happened in
one block.
Yeah, oh, interesting.
Okay, yeah, that's the one Ican't.

Travis (37:08):
Yeah, that's the one you haven't seen and luckily I
don't have to talk about it inthis episode because I did a
full episode on it.
Oh great.

Doug (37:16):
You can go there.
I love that episode.

Travis (37:19):
But yeah, lots of cameos in that, all voice.
Obviously Stop motion Veryit'sgiving autumn, so if you're into
that, then it's giving thanks.
Great small movie to watch.
It's giving thanks.

Doug (37:32):
That's great.

Travis (37:38):
All right.
Next is Moonrise Kingdom.
Okay, here we go.
Yes, all right.
So this one we'll talk a littlebit more on.
Great, great movie.
It's two kids run away together, one Boy Scout type.
It's a khaki scout is what theyare in the movie, taking place

(37:58):
in like the 60s, I believe.
I forget if they say the exactyear.

Doug (38:04):
It is, I believe September 2nd through 5th 1965.
You're right, because at thebeginning, the narrator is
saying that this place is famousfor the storm that will occur
in three days.
That's right.

Travis (38:16):
Yeah, I'm glad you were paying closer attention.

Doug (38:20):
Oh, I so was, because I knew I was watching it more
academically.
I wasn't writing down notes,but I was taking mental notes
and watching the movie in a waythat I don't normally watch them
.

Travis (38:34):
Yeah, I usually do, but just for whatever reason, this
last rewatch I was just kind ofdoing a bunch of other stuff so
I missed the year, but there'sso much stuff that's just
ingrained in me from this movie,like visually, those visuals,
those jokes, those man, this isone of the probably visually my

(38:57):
favorite one, and like from thecostumes and everything to like
those.
I've seen people, a lot ofcouples, dressing as the two
kids.

Doug (39:09):
Oh yeah, Halloween.

Travis (39:11):
Yeah, definitely seen that a bunch.

Doug (39:14):
For sure.
Yeah, so there's a moment inwhile Edward Norton is walking
through the khaki scout camplike taking inventory and giving
kids demerits for not havinglike their uniform right and all
that stuff, and as he's walkingthrough he sees a kid like

(39:34):
holding a bunch of wood.
He's like what are you doing sobuilding a tree house, sir,
where?
And it's like up this crazytree, that's like completely
like wacky, not structurallysound in any way, but the way
that it like the camera likebacks out and shows you this
thing immediately sets the tonefor how grounded and like

(39:58):
physical reality we are and itimmediately lets you know like
not totally, yeah.

Travis (40:05):
Yeah.

Doug (40:06):
The point is I'm trying to show you like funny, like it.
I think it's like kidsimagination, you know, like is
it is a big theme in this, soit's.
I think some of the things arelike how kids imagine what it
was like to be like a khakiscout.
Like in your memory, a treehouse was all the way up on top
of this tree that had no otherbranches, Just one big trunk up

(40:28):
into the sky.
Yeah, but I thought that wouldnot like set the tone for like
some of the other things thathappened that are like oh,
that's wacky, oh yeah, and if itjust happened on their own
would be like what?

Travis (40:38):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I really agree with youright there.
Yeah, like when he gets hit,struck by lightning and stuff,
and is fine, that's right.
Yeah, and the end of the, whenthe church tower falls over and
stuff, that's right.

Doug (40:55):
Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it, why did he
need to get struck it?
Like it's just a thing thatthat just happened.
Yeah, it had no likesignificance beyond that moment,
like it was just a funny wackything.
That's like in his triumph ofcome and get me, you bastards,
or whatever he says, what if hegets?
What if the nickels that he'scarrying attract a bolt of

(41:16):
lightning?
Yeah, there's a very funnymoment where he like gets up
from that.
He's just all like covered inlike soot and ash, like from
head to toe, and he gets up andblows off his glasses and
they're perfectly clean.

Travis (41:33):
Yeah, so he can like see through it.

Doug (41:35):
Those types of details are so fun and very funny.

Travis (41:39):
Yeah, all right, I do have a question which tree house
do you think is morestructurally sound, the one in
Moonrise Kingdom or the one thatwe ended up at in the woods?
And mirror makes up, oh my.

Doug (41:53):
God, the one in the movie the make believe one.
Yes, yeah, and because if anyof the members in our crew had
tried to actively knock down thetree house, we wouldn't be
recording the podcast today.

(42:13):
Yes, there was also threat ofarson in.

Travis (42:17):
Devil Winds.
Yes, this is summer, mind you,in San in Fire Prone San Diego,
California, that's right.
Someone is lighting fuses inthe dry ass.
Oh my God, below us.

Doug (42:35):
Yeah, oh yeah, that we like trekked into this.
It was what it this.
This adventure began at like11pm, if I remember correctly.
Oh yeah, and we like trek intothis canyon with a friend, like
we had our like regular, likegroup of friends, and then one
of them brought a friend, of afriend, yes, who was, in all
senses of the word, a wild card.

(42:56):
Yes, and he was, and we were,what?
19?
.

Travis (43:03):
Yeah, 18, 19.

Doug (43:04):
18, 19.
Yeah, and the thought that hisbackpack like we were hearing
his backpack, like clink, and hewas like walking down into the
forest and we're like, do youhave?
Do you have like beer in yourbackpack?
And he was like, yeah, ofcourse I do, I'm 18.
It was like a big eye-openingmoment to me, but that was the

(43:30):
least dangerous thing in hisbackpack.
Oh, yeah, by far.
Yes, by a wide margin.

Travis (43:39):
I would not be surprised to like later find out he had a
gun in there or something.

Doug (43:44):
Oh, dude for sure, if we can contact the correctional
facility, he's most certainly inand asked to speak with him.
I think we could get some moreanswers, but if I remember
correctly it was also like his.
He knew where the treehouse was.
This was like his idea, rightLike I think they built it.

Travis (44:08):
Oh, no, or something.

Doug (44:10):
Yeah.

Travis (44:12):
Which was even scarier.

Doug (44:13):
Oh my God.

Travis (44:16):
And treehouse is so generous of a like, sorry, like,
it was more like plywood in atreehouse, yes, Like they might
have built it by just tossingwood up until it stayed and not
secured it at all.
That's right.

Doug (44:38):
They might have gone into the ravine just to throw wood
around and accidentally made itsomething that resembled a
treehouse.
Oh shit.

Travis (44:52):
Oh my.

Doug (44:52):
God, yeah, I would well.
There's a scene in MoonriseKingdom where there's like nine
khaki scouts in that treehouseoh yeah.

Travis (45:01):
And then it's also.
I feel like it's bigger on theinside than when you look at it
from the outside, which I alsolove.

Doug (45:08):
Yes, and that's just perfect for the whole thing.
Like the whole fact that it'slike already an impossible thing
, you can totally like indulge,the bigger on the inside than
outside thing.
It reminded me of the sandlot.
There's that scene in thesandlot where they're making
s'mores, s'more, what you know,whatever.

Travis (45:30):
It reminded me of that.
I also love how like they allband together to help out the
kids, sam and the yes.

Doug (45:46):
I'm Blinken and Susie Susie says Susie Sharp, susie
Sharp and Sam Shikusky.

Travis (45:53):
Yeah, they remember Shikusky.

Doug (45:55):
Yeah, yeah, they, yeah, but it's like after the little
asshole gets stabbed and theyall like the one, like jerk,
who's in charge, gets hurt andcan't like be the voice for the
group anymore and they allrealize, uh, yeah, are we the
bad guys?
Yeah, which is funny becauseI've mentioned my favorite movie

(46:17):
is Inglourious Basterds.
Why do all these kids look likelittle like Nazi soldiers, you
know, like they kind of do looklike I think it's uh like
they're sort of like alluding tothat right, like it's sort of
like they look like childsoldiers, yeah, like European
child soldiers is like oh yeah,and the way they show up on the
motorbike, yeah, and and all ofthat stuff.

(46:38):
That felt like InglouriousBasterds.
There's a moment in the moviewhere they were Sam and Susie
have run away and the khakiscouts find them the first time,
yeah, and that felt like thescene where you meet the bear
Jew.
Yeah, inglourious Basterds.
Yeah, yeah, it felt a lot likethat, like everyone kind of

(46:59):
spaced out, everyone's got theirown thing they're going to say,
and and all that stuff wasreally cool.
But yeah, but it was.
It was in that scene where thebig bad kid, the leader of the
mean khaki scouts, get stabbedby lefty scissors Yep, which is
again just a fun detail.
Yeah and yeah and that.

(47:20):
And then later on the boysrealize, oh, that was, we're not
being good.
I wanted, I want to do good,but I was.
Later on in the movie They'veSam runs into the mean kid while
he's in the infirmary At theother camp.

(47:40):
Yeah, yeah, and I couldn'tremember what happened.
I guess I was surprised torealize on my second rewatch
that the kid like stays bad,like he actually doesn't learn a
lesson, like some.
There was no like redemptionarc for him.
Like he stayed an asshole, hewas holding the binoculars and

(48:03):
everything and like rightfullygets punched in his stab wound a
bunch of times.
Yeah, yeah, like there's.
There's some things in WesAnderson movies that I like
that's one of them is likesometimes people just like don't
learn a lesson, yeah, and likethere's.

(48:25):
There's a moment when BillMurray and his wife they're in
their separate beds and they'rein the house and they're talking
.
They're just like it's thedriest conversation, Like
they're falling asleep andthey're talking about work,
right, the court cases thatthey're individually working on
and stuff.
Yeah, and he has this.
You know, he's just got twoblack eyes and and he's telling

(48:49):
her you know, I'm sorry, thisand that, blah, blah, blah.
And she's like you don't haveto be sorry or it's not your
fault or something, and he saysI wish he says something to
affect, if I wish the roof wouldfly off this house and I get
sucked up into space.
Yeah, and he's just like aforever sad sack and then you'll
be happier without me yeah, yes, that's right, yeah, and

(49:11):
everyone has had that thought oflike
oh, it's very relatable and youcan tell there's because the
camera is like directly overthem, like you're, you're seeing
them like essentially likeperpendicular.
And there's just that momenthe's just laying on the pillow
with his two black eyes staringup at the ceiling, like you
could see, like I just wish Iwould die, yeah, and, and he

(49:33):
doesn't like get fulfillment atthe end of the movie, like you.
Just he's still like this sad,depressed drunk.
You know I'm going out back tochop down a tree.

Travis (49:43):
Yeah, and his wife is probably still cheating on him,
yeah, so, murray, or with a Witha, with diehard, yeah, diehard.
Bruce.

Doug (49:55):
Willis.

Travis (49:56):
Oh, my gosh Brain is not recovered from my sleep last
night.

Doug (50:05):
Oh, did you not sleep well ?
Did you know?
I'm at the ceiling hoping itwould suck you out into the
stars.

Travis (50:11):
No, like my allergies have been bugging with the
weather change, so I took adrowsy allergy pill and Well,
you sound great.

Doug (50:23):
Thanks, yeah, I think that's that's.
One thing is, like some thingsdon't need to be tied up, like
people, like viewers, like sortof expect that every storyline
gets tied up.
Everyone has a happy ending.
Yeah, and there's a sort ofbrutalness to some of the
characters he writes where, no,they just stay unhappy or angry

(50:44):
or hurt or something like that.
Yeah, they don't need.
Some characters don't deserve ahappy ending, even though you
want it to happen.
That's not what that wasn't in.
That's.
This isn't their story.
Maybe there's another moviethat's about Bill Murray and his
wife finding happiness on thisisland.
Yeah, but it's not this one.
This is not their story.
I like that, yeah, yeah, dude,this movie is just so good.

(51:07):
It makes me remember like whatit was like to be, because I
think they're what like 12 or 13in the movie.
Yeah, I think so.
They might not even like beteenagers yet.
Yeah, but everyone has thatmemory of like what it's like to
have like your first crush, mm,hmm, and it's, it's weird, like

(51:28):
it's.
You don't understand anythingabout relationships.
You just know that like thisperson I'm attracted to I don't
know why and you're kind of likefeeling that for the first time
, like as a kid.
Yeah, this movie captures thatfeeling perfectly.
Yeah, they're like awkward.
They come from like differentbackgrounds, they don't really

(51:49):
know how to like communicatewith each other, but they
there's something like deeperthere.
I just thought it was.
There's the moment on the beachwhere they like the beach that
ends up being called MoonriseKingdom, the title inlet, yeah,
and they like essentially likeexperience, like falling in love

(52:11):
, but it's too, you know, itcouldn't be right, because
they're 12, you know like it'sthis whole thing where the it's
very aware of like I love youand I love you, but the viewer
knows, no, you don't.
You have a.
You have a deep crush.
You have no experience to tellyou like whether this is like
true or not.
But that's the thing.
It's like reckless.
The whole thing of like runningaway from home and going on

(52:35):
this whole adventure, it's allreckless.
It's just like indulgentchildhood, which is so cool to
me.
The movie just captures thatperfectly.
It makes me remember like goingon little adventures and stuff,
yeah, and it just nails thatperfectly.
No other movie, I think, likedoes that for me.

Travis (52:56):
Yeah, and this is one of the most well done versions of
that, because there's a lot ofthings that try that Like I know
, like using kids is somehowlike so relatable and I don't
know why it's like.
Yeah, like I don't know, maybebecause we divert so much as
adults into so many differentpossibilities of a life, but

(53:20):
even though I'm not saying everychildhood is the same, but I
don't know, I think thosefeelings are so similar no
matter what the situation.

Doug (53:30):
And yeah, there's something universal.

Travis (53:32):
There's something that works about movies like and
shows like look how successfulstranger things is, like there's
a reason that that's sosuccessful.
Et, the Goonies, all that stuffyou know those stand by me.
It just works.
I think this is, if not thebest, than one of the best

(53:54):
versions of that, because, yeah,it's captures those feelings of
falling in love.
It captures those feeling outof place, whether and then also
just like two different types offeeling out of place.
You got Sam, who's an orphan,and Susie, who comes from a
loving family, but like, well,you know she comes from a family

(54:17):
, but they could be a littlemore supportive of stuff and
things like that.
But and Sam even points out thelike I love you, but you don't
know what you're talking about.
You know because she says thatshe wishes that she was an
orphan, you know.

Doug (54:33):
He delivers that so well, Like for a 12 year old actor to
say I love you, but you have noidea what you're talking about.

Travis (54:40):
And I love that she doesn't argue with them, because
she kind of like realizes, likeokay, you're right, you know?
I don't know what I'm talkingabout.
She just says I love you too,you know, that's right.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
I love that scene.

Doug (54:52):
I love that scene you were mentioning.

Travis (54:55):
No, go ahead, go ahead oh yeah, I love the scene with
them on the beach dancing tothat song, the Francois Hardy
song.
It's so good.

Doug (55:04):
Yeah, his moves, but their moves are so different.
Yeah, because she's just sortof doing like a more, just like
swaying, and he's just in therepumping his arms and all that
stuff.
I just love that.
And then eventually, like theydance together and they share a
kiss and all that stuff.
But it's just like them beingon opposite sides of the frame
doing like their separate thingsand then coming together Like

(55:25):
it's just so well done, yeah,like it tells us there's no,
there's almost there's nodialogue until they like are
touching each other.
Yeah, and then it's then, butlike there's so much like done
by just two characters justdancing apart from each other.
It is so good, yeah, yeah.
So when you were mentioningother movies that are like a

(55:47):
story of kids on a rom, you knowyeah, I almost said Lord of the
Flies I realized actuallythere's there's moments in
Moonrise Kingdom that are likeLord of the Flies, yeah, and

(56:08):
it's just kids like embracingtribalism, essentially Like what
happens when there's nogovernment, yeah, what happens
when there's no parents to tellkids what to do, and there's
just like a like unabashedevilness.
That like happens sometimes.
And of course, moonrise Kingdomis way lighter, yeah.

Travis (56:32):
Lord of the Flies.

Doug (56:34):
No one, it is, you know, pushed off a cliff and killed or
whatever you know.
But yeah, I didn't.
I actually didn't think aboutthat parallel until now, and I
wonder how much he was inspiredor thought about Lord of the
Flies when he was doing thismovie.
Yeah, or if he, or or if at all, yeah I wonder.

Travis (56:53):
Yeah, I have to look into that because there are a
lot of parallels and it isbecause it is.
It's those kids on their own,because they ran away, and then
the one authority sent all theseother kids to go get them, with
no supervision, though that'sright.

Doug (57:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I should watch Lord of theFlies again.
No, I won't.
That movie makes me sick.

Travis (57:20):
I I think I've only seen part of one version of it and
literally all I remember is thethe foam boulder bouncing back
up off of Piggy, who they'remurdering.

Doug (57:41):
The oh my God, yeah, yeah.
That scene specifically is theone that I actually I read the
book first before I saw themovie, and that's the only time
a book has made me feel like,actually like queasy.
Yeah, yeah, that's the way thatit's described in the book.
Oh, there's no, there's no,like you know, bad movie magic

(58:03):
pulling you out of the momentyou know, and it is just like
vicious and gross.
Oh yeah, I bet.
Yeah yeah, it made me ill.
Anyway, boon Rice Kingdom playson the same themes, but without
the like vulgarity.
Yeah yeah, and dude, how coolof a of a khaki scout leader is

(58:23):
Edward Norton.

Travis (58:25):
Oh, I love him and I think I I can relate to him now
as, just like the, I'm justtrying my best, you know yeah.

Doug (58:33):
Just do it.
Yeah, yeah, you, when yourealize that there's like an
awareness of him, like whenthey're the, a message is sent
to the other camp of FalconScouts or whatever, like the
older kids, and the scout master, harvey Kytel, is like can you
believe now he's lost his wholetroop?

(58:54):
Yeah, because just there's amoment in the movie where
they're they're like in thechurch or whatever, and there
was like the play going on ofNoah's Ark and this happens one
year earlier they had adifferent scout master that
wasn't Edward Norton.
So you're, you know, like thisis his first time doing this.
Yeah, and he makes a big pointlike what do the kids ask him?

(59:17):
What do you do for a job?
And he's like I'm a mathteacher, like you know whatever.
And they like razz him a littlebit about that, like do you
need a PhD to you know whatever?
He's like actually I'm changingmy answer.
I'm his khaki scout troopleader first, and then I'm a
math teacher on the side.
His character is so funny, likehe's not like a, he's not an

(59:40):
idiot.
No, he, you do get the feelinghe is trying his best.
Yeah, but he has all these likehigh intentions and he was
probably a khaki scout.
When he was a kid he was liketrying to be the khaki scout
leader.
He remembers his khaki scoutleader being but has no
experience, so he makes allsorts of mistakes, like oh, a

(01:00:00):
kid got away.
All of you go find him.
Yeah, yeah, he's, he's reallygreat, he.
Um, what is the?
There's another he's in a fewof these movies, but what's
another one that he's in wherehe has a really prominent

(01:00:21):
character?

Travis (01:00:22):
in a Wes.

Doug (01:00:22):
Anderson movie.
I'm trying to think, cause Irealized I had conflated a
couple of them, cause he's theleader of the of like the, of
the, of the, of the, of the, ofthe, of, like military police in
Gran Budapest.

Travis (01:00:39):
There's a fairly major in that he's.
He's in Asteroid City, but moreBehind the scenes, because it's
the way that Asteroid City isset up.
This isn't a spoiler, is thatit's a play, but you're seeing
it like, but it's shown as amovie and then you'll go back in

(01:01:01):
black and white will be likethe behind the scenes of the
play and he's the playwrightbasically Got it.

Doug (01:01:06):
Ok, it must be Gran Budapest then, because I'm just
conflating the two times wherehe's like in a uniform.

Travis (01:01:12):
Yeah.

Doug (01:01:13):
Yeah, yeah, ok, ok, yeah yeah.
Gran Budapest Hotel, was thatthe one with?
I'm hopefully not getting themconfused?
Tilda Swinton plays like anelderly woman.
Yes, and yes, the current, thecurrent Flash Gordon is in there
, as like the bellhop Mm.

(01:01:34):
Hmm, I think so.
I think that's.
I think that's right, thatthat's.
That's probably my next one towatch.

Travis (01:01:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Doug (01:01:42):
Yeah, to rewash flash from Spider-Man.

Travis (01:01:45):
He's the, the lobby boy, yeah.

Doug (01:01:48):
Not Flash Gordon.
Flash Gordon is somethingdifferent, but the flash
Thompson.

Travis (01:01:54):
I think it's Flash Thompson, flash Thompson, I
think.
I don't know Flash.
They say his name soinfrequently, but he is in there
Just prominently.

Doug (01:02:03):
Yeah.

Travis (01:02:03):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Doug (01:02:07):
Tony Ravioli, revolio, I forget, Tony I, if it's not Tony
Ravioli, I don't care to knowwhat it is in reality.
I'm not even going to look itup, don't care to.

Travis (01:02:30):
And then Ray Fiennes.
Voldemort is the the main guy.

Doug (01:02:37):
The main main, what guy?

Travis (01:02:39):
like the main hotel concierge.

Doug (01:02:42):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like who was?
Who was Voldemort in MoonriseKingdom?
No, no in Budapest.
Yeah, ok, ok, ok, yeah, ok,yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, I'm
curious to know how do you rankMoonrise Kingdom in your all
time favorite movies and thenwithin Wes Anderson movies.

Travis (01:03:04):
I Upon, like when I do rewatches, and because it's very
hard to not fall to recencybias with asteroid city, because
I do really like that one.
He's like doing all his tricksto 100 percent on that one but,

(01:03:28):
like I said, it's recent so it'slike it has that.
You know there's a there's afilter over it, so I can't share
.
That's my favorite right now.
Moonrise Kingdom has alwaysbeen neck and neck with Grand
Budapest for me, but I thinkMoonrise is a little more
special, little more relatable,a little more accessible.

(01:03:53):
I think.
I think it just makes mehappier because while Grand
Budapest is really good, it doeshave a very bittersweet ending
and is very sad at the end andit's like you said, like it
doesn't always have to be ahappy ending.
And that's another really goodexample of that, because you
know he just dies at the end andand it's very and it's said

(01:04:17):
very like in the end he died andthat's it, you know.

Doug (01:04:21):
that's it Like yeah.
That did happen, but it's notthe interesting part of the
story that I wanted to tell you.

Travis (01:04:28):
Yeah.

Doug (01:04:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you mentioned like something that,
like the movie Moonrise Kingdom,does make me happy at the end,
because of like Sam is a fosterkid and one of the first things
you learn is when he goesmissing, die hard and the whole

(01:04:50):
creature out to reach out tosocial services, essentially,
and they connect them with theparents and the parents say the
parents say, oh well, we're nottaking him back.
The foster parents do Like he'sa troubled kid, you know, wish
you best of luck, but he's, he'syour problem now, I know.
And when he's like essentiallylike the climax of the movie is

(01:05:13):
when they're climbing onto thebell tower of the church and the
storm is at its peak and thejust before the lightning
strikes the bell tower, samaccepts the policeman, diehards,
like in vitate, like I will beyour foster parent, and it's

(01:05:33):
like all the characters have aninteraction here from social
services, to Bill Murray and hiswife, and all the cats, all the
cacky scouts, everyone isinvolved in this culmination,
which is just like awesome, likeit's just all this noise
happening at once.
And then it results in the onequestion like what do you say?
Pal, yeah.
And you know, I think it's likeyou know I'll say pal, yeah.

(01:05:58):
And there's the moment whereit's close in on Sam's face is
he looks at Susie and she nodsand he makes like that Kind of
like tight lipped, yes, I willdo it.
And he reaches out and grabshis hand.
Yeah, it's so great, becausethen really the next thing that
you see of them, of the kids, isSam is in the house painting,

(01:06:23):
in Susie's house painting, yeah,and you just see from the
outsides because it's like theway that it's shot is.
You're looking in at the backof his canvas, yeah, like, and
it's obscuring him.
We see on the outsides of whatyou can see around the canvas is
the police uniform, like alittle junior version of Bruce
Willis's outfit, which is likethe island police, island,

(01:06:46):
police, that's right.
Yeah, and you really get thefull effect of it when it's
dinner time and everyonescatters and they Sam and Susie
say goodbye, and he jumps outthe window and you get that full
shot of him in his uniform andit's like fulfillment, you know,
and it's exactly.
It's just delightful, like it'sa nice way to like make you

(01:07:06):
feel good at the end of themovie, like you see everything
tied up and everyone's happy.
Yeah, and it's, it's what youhope would happen, but they,
they make you like not thinkit's going to happen so many
times throughout the movie.
So it really pays off well andhe's just freaking like adorable
in his little mini policeoutfit, oh yeah, and gets in the

(01:07:28):
car with his foster dad andheads away.
Just so good.

Travis (01:07:33):
One of the saddest things because you said about
how the old foster dad is sayinglike oh, he won't be welcome
back, and it's so sad, likelater when he's talking to Susie
and he has no idea that thisconversation is taking place.
Like, oh, like I feel likewe're finally going to be a
family and stuff like that andthat things are going well.

Doug (01:07:52):
That's right, yeah, and yeah.
And he doesn't find out untillater because Scout Master gives
him the note, essentially, andsome when they, when they do
find him, yeah.
One another thing I learned onthe rewatch is that in the storm
, the title inlet where theycamped out that night is washed

(01:08:13):
away.
They show you like the new mapand it's completely gone.
Yeah, and I thought that waslike that didn't need to happen.
But the fact that it did isthat much cooler, because now
it's truly just this like momentthat is only memory.
Yeah, even geographically youcan't go back to it.
Yeah, so cool, yeah.

Travis (01:08:32):
Yeah, exactly it.
Just it makes it so much morespecial for them, you know.

Doug (01:08:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There were also a few momentslike the, just the idea of, like
there's an impending storm,right, and it just the rain
picks up and the wind picks upslowly, like throughout.
The movie reminded me ofShutter Island, yeah, which is
another one of my favoritemovies, yeah, where, and of

(01:08:59):
course in that movie, the stormis not real, right, it's like
the, it's the, the mentally illbrain, yeah, and making all of
this stuff up in LeonardoDiCaprio's mind.
But the way that the stormworks in Moonrise Kingdom to be
just like also the storm of allthe relationships happening like

(01:09:21):
at the same time, and the waythat it all crescendos with the
lightning strike on the belltower, it's just like perfect.
Like a storm, like may not, like.
There could have been a versionof the story where the storm
was real.
Right, it's just in the sameway.
Like it's just it's turmoil,it's not a real storm.
Yeah, it was so good.

(01:09:41):
Another effect was really funny.
Last night it was super windyhere, so we're looking outside
the window and all the trees areblowing and like pine needles
are hitting the window and stuff.
It was very immersive, so yougot a free 40X version.
Yeah, that's right.
It was really cool, nice yeah.

Travis (01:10:01):
Man, man, I love that movie so much I think it would
be in my top 10 all time, forsure.
I just don't know where in thetop 10.
But yeah, because it is, it isprobably my favorite.
Wes Anderson, because it is theone I go back to more, because
it is that comfort.

Doug (01:10:22):
I think it has a shorter runtime than the others.
To like it's a little more of alike a condensed story.
Yeah, it's just like a littlebit of a fantastical you know,
like, if you just need, like a90-minute hit, yeah, this is it.
Yeah, yeah, it's perfect forthat.
Yeah, thank you for showing methat movie.

(01:10:43):
Yeah, it's so good.

Travis (01:10:46):
No problem, I love that one so much.
Yeah, that one's.
It's just too good.
I'm trying to think if there'sanything else I want to say on
that one.
We cover most of that.

Doug (01:11:03):
Good.

Travis (01:11:04):
Yeah.

Doug (01:11:05):
Yeah, is there anything I wonder like I'm just very
quickly scanning like the wikipage, yeah, about it.
Oh yeah, one thing I wanted tomention is like one Okay, so
that scene on the beach, yeah,where there's like two kids
essentially getting intimate, mm, hmm, and I remember watching

(01:11:25):
that for the first time.
I remember being like how didthey do this?
Yeah, well, because that couldeasily so dangerous to do.
The point they're trying, thepoint that the director is
trying to make, is very pure.
Right, it's not.
It's yeah, there's nothingdisgusting about this, but done

(01:11:46):
any differently than how theydid it, the movie is a huge
problem.

Travis (01:11:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah, big time, yeah, and it's.
It's crazy because it's like Iknow, like how they did it, like
technically, like I know thatthere was, it was literally just
like him, the camera, and Ithink their parents or something
like that, and everyone wasvery like, if you're
uncomfortable like this, thatyou know, say something and they

(01:12:12):
filmed at last.
It was the last thing they did,yeah, so that way they'd be more
comfortable with each other too, and they've made sure that
they were okay with it, thattheir parents were okay with
that, all that stuff, and thenjust minimize the amount of
people to the bare minimum.
Like that were there.
So, yeah, I think that's good,but even with that, it could
still turned out bad.

(01:12:33):
So, right, I think that doesjust go to show the power of Wes
Anderson and his visualstorytelling.
Like it's I don't know, it's soweird because it easily could
have been like ruined his career.

Doug (01:12:51):
Yeah, it easily could have been not allowed to be shown
anywhere you know that type ofthing and all it would have
taken was just one line.
That's different, or the waylike, or even the events leading
up to it, what happens after,the way adults react to it, like
all of these.
It's not just that moment, it'sjust how it's like referred to

(01:13:14):
and presented and all that stuff, and it really isn't like.
There's that moment like thenext morning they wake up and
the tent is ripped off, but likeBill Murray rips the tent off
of them.
Very, very funny Actually likehe hears the like boat
approaching in the morning.
Sam does and he grabs hisglasses and puts them on, opens
the tent, sees everyone outthere, all the khaki scouts,

(01:13:38):
edward Norton, bruce Willis,bill Murray, like Susie's
parents are there, like everyoneis there, and he scrambles back
into the tent and zips it shutand Bill Murray just runs up and
pulls the tent off the ground.

Travis (01:13:54):
And then just looks at them and just drops it and
defeat and walks away.

Doug (01:13:58):
Yeah, just exactly.
Yeah, just a sad sack.
Like, yeah, I'm angry, but Ihave no skills to deal with this
moment.
Yeah, I don't have what ittakes.
Yeah, but like, even that, likediscovering them could have been
a problem, you know like theway that it was presented Like
it was just done perfectly andalso the movie doesn't work

(01:14:21):
without this moment.
No, yeah, because that's theindulgent childhood part of it.
It's like this carry thecuriosity about like oh, what is
this feeling, you know?
And it just is so, so good.
But I remember watching it forthe first time, when we watched
it together a few years ago, andbeing like oh no, yeah, well,

(01:14:45):
it's going to happen here, and Iwas a little nervous because I
was just so sent.
It's such a sensitive subjectmatter.
But now, watching it again,knowing that how well it's done,
I was able to just likeexperience it and just like not
worry, and that was better, yeah.

Travis (01:15:01):
Yeah, yeah, totally agree with you, because that's
it and it is pivotal.
And there's so many like somany times where they put a
scene like that, like withadults, and it's just
unnecessary.
It doesn't like make sense.
I'm not saying that every sexscene in a movie is unnecessary,

(01:15:22):
but there are there definitelyare some that are like this.
This furthers the plot.
How, yeah, is it like any JamesBond?

Doug (01:15:31):
movie.

Travis (01:15:31):
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah , yeah, which is?

Doug (01:15:36):
which is great.
Like, it's such a trope, likein the first Austin Powers movie
, oh, yeah, and that in JamesBond would have led to a sex
scene with Elizabeth Hurley,yeah, and instead it's like oh,
you're too drunk.
Yeah, this is a bad idea.
Yeah, and it's Austin Powershaving a moment of reason going
no, this is why would we do that?

(01:15:58):
Yeah, yeah, I hate it when it'sjust there just to like, oh,
look at these beautiful people.
Yeah, not, this beautiful thingthat's happening in their
relationship.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so good, Ithink that's the last of things
I had to like, think about, tosay like for Boon Rice Kingdom.

Travis (01:16:19):
I think so too.

Doug (01:16:20):
Everything is done.
Well, there's no, there's nouseless scenes, like there's
nothing that is filler.
And even the moments like youmentioned, like the fast
dialogue that is like WesAnderson's thing, when there
it's a VO of their like lettersback and forth to each other,
yeah, like increasingly getsfaster and cuts off earlier,

(01:16:42):
like in the middle of theirtalking, like you don't need to
it.
The entirety of the notedoesn't matter what it's just
like, and it eventually evenends in like the letters being
passed or where love, sam andwhen from Susie.
Yeah, like it's just even thecontent of the letters.
Yeah.

Travis (01:17:01):
You don't even hear the wind.
And where?
Yeah?

Doug (01:17:03):
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, it's so good yeah.

Travis (01:17:09):
I think I'm tapped on that movie too.
But if anything pops back upfor the rest of the conversation
, then but next one's the lastone that you saw, I'm pretty
sure.
Oh wait, no, no, but GrandBudapest Hotels next.
Yes, that's another.
I think this was maybe thefirst one I saw.
I saw it on a computer at work,like it was meant to be seen on

(01:17:35):
my night shift, from some likefree movies website.

Doug (01:17:43):
Yes, the ideal viewing experience.

Travis (01:17:47):
Yeah.
But immediately it was like, oh, okay, now I see what the big
deal with this guy is, because Ihad seen advertising for
Moonrise Kingdom.
But okay, this isn't fair tothe movie.
But it was on like it was backwhen Hulu would play the same
commercial for every singlecommercial break.

(01:18:07):
So I by the time it like I wasjust watching through the office
, I think, and I was like, oh myGod, I do not want to see this
movie because I keep seeing thecommercial every single time.

Doug (01:18:22):
But just completely inundated like, okay, no, now,
out of spite, I won't watch it.

Travis (01:18:30):
Yeah, and then when I eventually I did watch Moonrise
Kingdom, that's when I was likeI was like, okay, this is
amazing, I love it.
But yeah, grand Budapest is sogood.
I also did a full episode onthat one.
But yeah, I love the way itends, even though it is sad,

(01:18:50):
like.

Doug (01:18:52):
Remind me how it ends.
You alluded to it earlier, butI don't remember how it is.

Travis (01:18:55):
So it's Jude Law is playing the, an author, and he's
getting the story from the oldman version of the Lobby Boy I
wish I could remember thecharacter's name right now, but
zero, zero, yep, zero, mustafa,yep.
And so he's getting the storyfrom him and do you could tell?

(01:19:22):
It's in some like made upfictional Eastern European
country, but it's during WorldWar Two, ramping up, basically,
and eventually the country getstaken over by like death squads
and stuff like that and they'reon the train and they get

(01:19:43):
stopped and they don't have theright identification and Ray
Fine stands up to him, the deathsquad guy, and ends up getting
killed.
Yeah, yes, that's right, Iremember you don't actually see
it happen.
But that's another like greatlove story as well, because this

(01:20:07):
is between two young, likeolder teenager, young adult.
It's him and Sir Sir Ronanplays the girl and she's amazing
, like she's done nothing butgood stuff since then.
So, and she has like a bigbirthmark on her face that's

(01:20:29):
shaped like Italy, I believe.

Doug (01:20:32):
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Travis (01:20:36):
And she's like is living with this baker, but I don't
know if there's any likerelation or if she's just there,
you know.
But and then they end upgetting married and everything.
But there's like a whole Heistplot and stuff like that.
And the old lady played by Tilland Swinton, Till the Swinton,

(01:20:57):
leaves a Painting for him andwhat's his character's name?
Why can't I tell him?

Doug (01:21:07):
Yeah, the wiki up, Gustav yeah.

Travis (01:21:13):
Gustav Gustav H.
Yeah, man, yeah, yeah.
Like I said, my brain's likeblank today.
Usually I could like bring thisup out of nowhere, but your
brain made Tony Ravioli earlier.
Yes exactly.

Doug (01:21:27):
This may be a symptom of the medicine, but it's still
just fine to me.
Yeah, it's Ralph Ralph.
Fine to me, yes.

Travis (01:21:39):
So, yeah, I guess Gustav H Gets left this painting
that's like really valuable, butthey're going to try not to Let
them have it and while they gothrough the will and everything,
and her kids are trying toWeasel their way to all the
money, adrian Brody plays theson and yeah, there's a lot of

(01:22:01):
murder and stuff like that.

Doug (01:22:03):
There's also a good, if I remember correctly, like an
escape through the sewer.
Yes, which is always like agood thing in a movie.

Travis (01:22:11):
Oh yeah, that prison escape is great, and that's also
.
Harvey Keitel is the Like thebig.
How do I remember hischaracter's name, pinky
Tuscadero?
Oh my God, great, I thinkthat's it.

(01:22:34):
Or is that someone from Greece?
Or the last name?
I know it's Pinky.

Doug (01:22:41):
Pinky.
Let's see, this just says Pinky.

Travis (01:22:45):
Okay, hold on, but that's they do say the last name
, but because he's writing aletter to no, not writing a
letter.
When Zero comes to visit him inprison and he says that he Got
in a fight with like the biggest, toughest guy there, then they
actually became friends and sothen they plan this big escape

(01:23:05):
together.

Doug (01:23:08):
Got it?
Yeah, it's a yeah.
Even IMDB doesn't say JustPinky.
Yeah, All right, whatever dude,but yeah.

Travis (01:23:23):
Another great cast.
I got Jeff Goldblum in there.
That's right.
He pops up in a few.
I think he was in.
He was in life aquatic becausehe's like a competitor, which is
great.
I'm pretty sure it's left on anisland with a bunch of pirates
at some point.
I got it and then they go.

Doug (01:23:47):
I don't remember that that's such like an indulgent
thing to like have Jeff Goldblumdo is give a room down an
island with a bunch of pirates,yeah.

Travis (01:24:00):
Oh man, yeah, and Willem Dafoe being crazy, always good,
oh dude.

Doug (01:24:07):
He's so sick.
Yeah, just a complete maniacbehind those eyes.
Yeah.

Travis (01:24:14):
Yeah.
Do you have any other thoughtson that one or?

Doug (01:24:21):
No, not particularly.
Yeah, that's another onereminding me, like, how much I
need to see them again, becauseall that I really remember about
most of these movies is that Ienjoyed them, and when I think
about them, I just think aboutcolors.
Yes, like they're, they're.
They're all so colorful andvibrant.
Even Bottle Rocket is saturatedlike reds and blues and all of

(01:24:42):
that stuff, like, I think ofeach one as colors.

Travis (01:24:45):
Yeah, oh uh.
Grand Budapest is pink andpurple.

Doug (01:24:48):
Exactly, yeah, yeah, moonrise Kingdom is like green
and yellow Yep, green and yellow.
Life Aquatic is blue and red,yeah, and I just think and
obviously that's superintentional, yeah, but I think
of them by those colors and Ijust remember them like pretty
much all being joyful, yeah, andand just fun to watch.

(01:25:10):
So I do need to see them againto remember like to uh, yes, I
remember this confused me thefirst time I watched it, you
know, or something.
And now, knowing more stuff,yeah, be able to see them again,
yeah, yep.

Travis (01:25:23):
All right, so on that note, let's move on to.
This is the last one you'veseen and this is Isla Dogs.

Doug (01:25:30):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I love dogs.
Yep, yeah, oh, it was so good.
I loved this one so muchbecause the main, like human
character, the kid, hmm,reminded me so much of my
youngest brother, just this,like little, he's also like the
most Asian looking of us, so itdefinitely worked in that way

(01:25:50):
too.
Yeah, and I, you know, uh, itwas just so good.
Like watching, I loved and Ilike we're we're dog people too.
So, yeah, just this, this, thismovie was just so, so cool to
watch.
Yep, yeah.

Travis (01:26:10):
I love the.
I love the stop motionanimation because I love how
it's not 100% fluid, but neitheris like Wes Anderson's live
action stuff either, if youthink about it.
So it's like it is very abruptand that's very intentional
because it's supposed to bereminiscent of those like 60s uh

(01:26:32):
TV Christmas specials likeRudolph and stuff like that.

Doug (01:26:37):
But it tackles like a heavier theme, like, if I
remember right, like it was likedogs or exile, because there's
like this virus that they'relike spreading to people, that
may or may not be actuallyhappening.
Yeah, yeah, okay.

Travis (01:26:51):
But then it's like a conspiracy, because the um, I
don't remember if it was theemperor or just like the mayor
of Tokyo, I forget if it wasJapan wide or just the city, but
, um, either way, whoever's incharge is a cat person, and
that's what they're reallyboiled down to.

Doug (01:27:10):
That's right.
Yes, uh, the city'sauthoritarian mayor, kenji
Kobayashi.
Right yeah, fies and officialdecree banishing all dogs to
trash islands.
Yep, yep.

Travis (01:27:26):
It's and it's really funny.
I think one of my favoriteparts, uh, is when they're about
to fight with these other thisother pack of dogs over a bag of
trash, and one of them sayslike wait, well, shouldn't we
see what we're fighting over?
It might not even be worth it.
And then they open it up andit's real quick, like listing
like the most uh stereotypicalcartoon trash items like half a

(01:27:49):
fish, a tin can, uh stuff, andthen like the list gets like
interrupted, like towards theend.
It's worth it.
And then they just startfighting in this like ball of
cotton with limbs sticking out.

Doug (01:28:07):
That.
That, to me, is like just asfunny as like any moment in
super bad oh yeah, orstepbrothers or something like
that.
It's a completely differenttype of comedy, but it's because
it's just pure what is funny,it's not a joke.
You know, it's just a funny,super funny thing.

Travis (01:28:27):
Yeah, and like the, when they meet these wise dogs, and
one of them is called the Oracle.
And the reason she's so wise isjust cause she can understand
the TV, the humans on TV.

Doug (01:28:42):
I didn't really I forgot about that.
Like there's not really likemagic in the in this movie.
Yeah, it's just limited canineunderstanding of the world.

Travis (01:28:56):
Yeah.

Doug (01:28:58):
Yeah, that's so cool.
Yeah, I forgot that.
It is essentially like an evilcats controlling the government.

Travis (01:29:09):
Yeah, I think it's also the plot of cats and dogs from
the early 2000s.

Doug (01:29:21):
It's probably also a plot line in some other animated pet
movies.
Oh yeah, is Paw Patrol just abunch of cats working?

Travis (01:29:33):
outside the law.
Yeah, the cats are the mafiaand Paw Patrol organized crime.
It's like the wire.
But cats and dogs, yeah.

Doug (01:29:47):
Let's reddit actually voiced a cat.

Travis (01:29:54):
This is the last roll.

Doug (01:29:57):
Where's my money?
Bitch yeah.

Travis (01:30:04):
But yeah, I love dogs, I think is the better, even
though I've seen Fantastic, butMr Fox more and I think more
people like that one more Ithink I'll.
A dog is a little better in myopinion.
It's a better movie.

Doug (01:30:19):
I had a pretty unique aesthetic to like being like,
sort of like not North Americanor I don't know, like there's
just something about it beinglike sort of out of place to
like an American audience.

Travis (01:30:35):
It's something I realized when I was watching
Fantastic Mr Fox.
That they also do with this isthat all the humans are have the
native language and accents ofthe region and the animals are
just whatever American.
Yeah, Chris Pratt, because inFantastic Mr Fox it's taken

(01:30:56):
place in England and so everyonehas the British accent when
they're human, but all theanimals are just George Clooney
and Bill Murray, and that'sfunny.

Doug (01:31:06):
I didn't realize.
Yeah, I'll have to watchFantastic Mr Fox with a
blindfold on, so don't getcreeped out.
The accents thing will stillplay, yep.

Travis (01:31:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah it's, it's good, it'sa good one.
I think that was the first ofhis that I got to see in the
theater.
So, oh, that's cool.
Also holds a special place inmy heart.
But it's only been that inasteroid city that I've seen the
theater, because Frenchdispatch came out during COVID,

(01:31:41):
which that's the first.
That one you haven't seen.
That one's really good.
That's three separate storiesthat are it's basically like a
newspaper in an American runnewspaper in France is closing
down and it's just like threestories that got told over the

(01:32:01):
years, basically, and so it'slike three different segments,
all all star cast, as usual.
And then same goes for asteroidcity.
That one.
The plot is it's a bunch ofkids out in the middle of this
desert town for a science fairbecause there's an asteroid

(01:32:21):
crater site from, like you know,thousands of years ago, and so
they're doing some science fairthere, they're getting some
grants from the military andwhile they're there and alien
comes and takes the asteroid andleaves, and then now they're
all quarantined there While thegovernment figures out what's

(01:32:42):
going on.
Oh my God.

Doug (01:32:47):
I'm so excited to watch this.
Yeah, that one.

Travis (01:32:49):
I highly recommend.
I think it's.
It's right up there withMoonrise and Grand Budapest and
stuff Awesome.

Doug (01:32:57):
Yeah, I loved it, that's great, I'll probably watch it
this weekend.

Travis (01:33:02):
And there's a, there's a kid.
Half of the plot is kid centric, so it's not like fully
Moonrise Kingdom, but it's thatI'd say they're more of the
subplot, like the adults werethe subplot and Moonrise the
kids are the subplot and yeah,but it's good, that's cool yeah.

Doug (01:33:22):
I like how the subplots all interop in these movies too,
like they happen, so they likecrossover all the time.
You know, like I love that, Ilove that, I love when, when
someone can tell a story that,because it's that's a formulaic
thing, right, you have plot andyou have subplot.
There's one like the office didthat well, like whatever was

(01:33:43):
happening, everyone was involvedin it.
Even though it was two thingshappening, it all converged in
the office or whatever was goingon, or at this party or
whatever.
There's another show, brooklynNine-Nine, which is Andy
Sandberg the cop.
Yeah, somehow a show about likelovable cops existed and in the

(01:34:04):
century.
Yeah.

Travis (01:34:08):
And one thing that I didn't like about it.

Doug (01:34:10):
Yeah, new York.
Yeah, nypd, the lovable, justjust just great guys, they.
One thing I don't like aboutthat show and this is where I
became aware of this was thatthere's plot and subplot, just
like every, every other sitcom,but it's, it's.
You get the impression thiswasn't even filmed all within
the same month.
You know, like there's nothinghappens together.

(01:34:32):
They never collide, yeah and I.
That's one thing that I loveabout West Anderson movies is
just the complexity of thingsthat like run into each other.
Yeah, yeah, it's really reallygood, like like even in Moonrise
Kingdom it's there's a momentwhere they go oh, the missing
girl is with Sam.
You know, like that's tooseparate Things that are

(01:34:54):
happening.
Yeah, that that bring tototally uninvolved parties
together.

Travis (01:34:59):
Yep.

Doug (01:35:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Travis (01:35:02):
I love that.
And and then West Anderson,you'll get those shots where
it's like, oh, like, there's 12people in the scene and half of
them are Oscar winners and theother half have been nominated.
Yeah, and they're, you know,and they're not known comedians,
but they're, they have thecomedic timing and they're
pulling it off, you know, andnot everyone can do that.

Doug (01:35:25):
Yeah, yeah, we can't.
We can't all be Will Ferrell.
No, can't all be.
Who's the funniest person inthe world?
Gary Busey.

Travis (01:35:43):
Well, I think this point's been made on like so you
take like 21 Jump Street, whichis a great comedy, and Channing
Tatum and not a comedian ishilarious, that's right and you
know stuff like that.
But then, like you look at likethe Baywatch movie and you take
the two handsome guys thathappen to be funny with the

(01:36:04):
funny people but put themtogether and it just doesn't
work.

Doug (01:36:08):
Yeah, there's speaking of Channing Tatum being funny.
I recently watched this is theend again.
Oh yeah, where he ends up being.
I always forget the actor'sname, but Kenny Powers.

Travis (01:36:22):
Oh, danny McBride, Danny McBride is just Danny McBride.

Doug (01:36:26):
It's two and 11 in this movie, oh yeah.
And in the apocalypse he islike essentially like a Mad Max
Road Warrior and he like hasthis like pet dog human that
he's like whipping and like inlike a bunch of like leather and
straps and stuff and confrontsJay and and and what is his Seth

(01:36:47):
?
Yeah, seth Rogen confronts himat the end and the dog, the, the
guy on all fours and leather,like pulls off its mask and he's
Channing Tatum and just in likea psychosexual love
relationship with Danny McBride.
Like he's really funny and he'salso like willing to be like
the butt of the joke for thesake of the joke, and that's not

(01:37:10):
something we're used to seeingwith like pretty boys.
And another place that happenedis in the Barbie movie which we
saw this year.
Yeah, dude, what's his goddamnname?
Ryan Gosling.

Travis (01:37:24):
Oh, ryan Gosling, he's, he's great.

Doug (01:37:26):
So funny.

Travis (01:37:27):
But he's, he's been like a slow burn comedy guy for a
bit.
I think that's like the firsttime I noticed like that.
He was like really good in acomedy was crazy stupid.
Love with Steve Corral, thatwas OK movie.
You know it's pretty good, Justcut and you know cut and paste

(01:37:49):
romcom, but with good people init.
And then, but the nice guyswith Russell Crowe where they're
like hops in the 70s ordetectives in the 70s, oh man.

Doug (01:38:02):
I've been told to watch this movie by someone else too.
I have to watch it.

Travis (01:38:07):
That's one I I finally.
It's like you know what.
I remember seeing the trailerbut I never got around to seeing
it and then it was streamingsomewhere and I finally watched
it and and he's great in that,but yeah, killed it in the
Barbie movie.

Doug (01:38:21):
It sure did.
I really loved that movie.
It wasn't anticipating that Iwould like it, but I loved it.
Yeah, oh yeah, it was.
It was so good, barbie not justfor girls anymore.

Travis (01:38:34):
No For all the literally me guys out there.
Yeah, posting the gifts fromDrive yeah.

Doug (01:38:50):
Backpacks clinking, yeah, yeah.

Travis (01:38:53):
Yeah, the driving gloves on.
I think it's yeah, oh man, Idon't remember who it was, but I
definitely saw someone in IRLput this on wanted to leave.

Doug (01:39:11):
You're not safe wherever you are anymore.

Travis (01:39:15):
That's why I got out of the military.
My coworker came in and put ondriving gloves.
I'm out.

Doug (01:39:26):
I can put up with all this other stuff, but this is the
final straw.
Yeah, all right.

Travis (01:39:33):
Well, I think we can wrap up the podcast here.
I think we covered Wes AndersonPretty good.
Looking forward to oh wait, noone more thing.
Just recently on Netflix hereleased four shorts based on
rolled doll properties and thosewere really good.
No way, yes.
And the first one is thefantastic or wonderful world of

(01:39:57):
Henry sugar.
That's the longer of the four,that's like 45 minutes.
Benedict Cumberbatch and thatone is done.
The stylistic choices in thatare really interesting because
he basically like reading thebook, like they're like reading
the book basically and likeacting it out, like the.

(01:40:18):
But they'll say like he said,you know, and then like turn to
the camera.
That's cool.
Yeah, it's really weird, butbut really well done.

Doug (01:40:29):
And these are all, these are four rolled, all stories
I've never heard of.
Yeah, like I think of, like theBFG.

Travis (01:40:35):
Yeah, I think from what I read they were like later on,
like more older, older kids,young adult or something shorts,
when he was trying to get awayfrom just kids stories or
something like that.
But those were good, that makessense.
So that's the latest thing he'sdone and looking forward to
whatever he does next.

Doug (01:40:57):
Yeah, for sure I'll watch these two.

Travis (01:40:59):
Definitely check those out those are good, but yeah,
that's Wes Anderson.
Thank you, doug, for joining meon this.

Doug (01:41:08):
You're welcome.
Thank you for indulging all ofthe times where I broke for many
semblance of structure.

Travis (01:41:13):
Hey, that's what I'm for .

Doug (01:41:18):
Cool.
Yeah, thank you for having meon.
This was a blast.

Travis (01:41:22):
All right, yeah.
So thank you guys for listeningand go ahead and check out the
show on Instagram.
At movies they're pretty goodwith no punctuation in it, and
see you guys next week.
Thanks,

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